From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 10:55:50 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 1 10:57:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9723.53481.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Joe, You have written to a "list" or "forum", not an individual-- Nothing is "stocked" here, in fact there ain't no "here", "here"---- I probably have one in stock--however since a number of cartridges can be used, I need to know which one is in your phonograph. Start by telling me which model phonograph you have. There should be a "Tag" on the outside rear of the cabinet with that info. Then either send me a pix of the tone arm/needle or describe it in detail-- You may contact me directly if you wish, at? ronnnrich@yahoo.com Ron Rich --- On Thu, 7/30/09, AtlanticTree@aol.com wrote: From: AtlanticTree@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 10:59 AM Hi I have a seeburg and I am looking for a needle. Do you have any in stock if not would you be able to direct me to the right place to get one. sincerely. joe. **************Hot Deals at Dell on Popular Laptops perfect for Back to School (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223105306x1201716871/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D9) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 10:58:10 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 1 10:59:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg "Classification headings" Message-ID: <7931.51265.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, A week or so back, someone was looking for the above--well, I just found a guy who re-produces them--contact info is musicdist@verizon.net.? Ron Rich From maverick_4200 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 11:08:25 2009 From: maverick_4200 at yahoo.com (brian nunya) Date: Sat Aug 1 11:10:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg "Classification headings" In-Reply-To: <7931.51265.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <7931.51265.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <11101.47054.qm@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hi guys i have a seeburg sdc-1a and it isn't working. as soon as you turn it on it the regular scdc2e comes on the display and then it flashes cdoff cdon cdoff cdon, you punch in the selection you want and nothing happens and reseting doesn't work. is there something i can do to fix this? any help would be appreciated _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sat Aug 1 11:16:19 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Aug 1 11:18:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A748673.4020500@west.net> AtlanticTree@aol.com wrote: > Hi I have a seeburg and I am looking for a needle. Do you have any in stock > if not would you be able to direct me to the right place to get one. Seeburg used the name Select-O-Matic for several years during which at least four different types of stock cartridges and needles were used. Additionally, many of these machines have been equipped with aftermarket cartridges of a different type altogether. The exact model number of the jukebox and a link to a closeup photo of the existing cartridge and needle would be useful. Your question as stated to this group is similar to asking for an oil filter for a Chevrolet Impala. Lots of incompatible possibilities. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From mmarsh16 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 1 20:57:25 2009 From: mmarsh16 at hotmail.com (Mike Marsh) Date: Sat Aug 1 20:58:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM CIty IV background In-Reply-To: <000001ca126c$c1a64df0$44f2e9d0$@net> References: <000001ca126c$c1a64df0$44f2e9d0$@net> Message-ID: On mine, it's the same design as the left and right panels. Mike > From: 19k20@comcast.net > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 00:56:03 -0500 > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM CIty IV background > > Can some tell me if the background, that sits right behind the record > carrier is the same design as the left and right panels? Or, might it be a > solid black piece. > > > > Thanks. > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 From 19k20 at comcast.net Sat Aug 1 21:37:51 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sat Aug 1 21:39:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM CIty IV background In-Reply-To: References: <000001ca126c$c1a64df0$44f2e9d0$@net> Message-ID: <004501ca132a$ff538be0$fdfaa3a0$@net> Thanks Mike. I imagined it was probably so. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mike Marsh Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:57 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] NSM CIty IV background On mine, it's the same design as the left and right panels. Mike > From: 19k20@comcast.net > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 00:56:03 -0500 > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM CIty IV background > > Can some tell me if the background, that sits right behind the record > carrier is the same design as the left and right panels? Or, might it be a > solid black piece. > > > > Thanks. > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-U S:SI_PH_software:082009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.38/2274 - Release Date: 08/01/09 09:38:00 From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 07:38:56 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Sun Aug 2 07:40:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] looking for someone to make title cards Message-ID: <284000.3600.qm@web63206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hello! I would like to find someone willing to make title cards for my CD jukebox;that look JUST like the ones in this link: http://www.cdadapter.com/dec/decbook.jpg I would send the person all of the pics of the covers of the cd's that are going in my juke,along with all of the artist & cd title info;and all they would have to do is make the title card images ready to print( I would do all of the printing on my end).The title cards would have to be the standard heigth( 4 5/8" ),and can be a 1/2" wider than the std. width ( 2 15/16).Please send me your reasonable price estimates for designing my title cards;it would be much appreciated! I wish I was gifted enough to do it myself,but I'm not.100 cd's in all.If you have any questions or need other info please let me know.Thanks in advance! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sun Aug 2 07:59:57 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 2 08:02:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] looking for someone to make title cards In-Reply-To: <284000.3600.qm@web63206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <284000.3600.qm@web63206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBE19908F70BB4-C80-5215@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> I could handle this, if you're not in any hurry. I'm pretty handy on my Mac. Contact me off list. -John Hayes -----Original Message----- From: Ken To: Jukebox List Sent: Sun, Aug 2, 2009 9:38 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] looking for someone to make title cards Hello! I would like to find someone willing to make title cards for my CD jukebox;that look JUST like the ones in this link: http://www.cdadapter.com/dec/decbook.jpg I would send the person all of the pics of the covers of the cd's that are going in my juke,along with all of the artist & cd title info;and all they would have to do is make the title card images ready to print( I would do all of the printing on my end).The title cards would have to be the standard heigth( 4 5/8" ),and can be a 1/2" wider than the std. width ( 2 15/16).Please send me your reasonable price estimates for designing my title cards;it would be much appreciated! I wish I was gifted enough to do it myself,but I'm not.100 cd's in all.If you have any questions or need other info please let me know.Thanks in advance! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Sun Aug 2 23:49:10 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Sun Aug 2 23:50:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Fluorescent Tubes For DS160 Message-ID: <209334.64698.qm@web96002.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Part 409084 - 25w fluorescent tubes for my DS160... where is the best place to purchase... in NZ these are a non standard size. Trying to keep the machine standard.Cheers John From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 05:48:15 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Mon Aug 3 05:49:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe CD-51 In-Reply-To: <62888.31154.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <891778.21156.qm@web63201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> OK cool...thanks for the tip John! I'll give it a try....juke is almost done...... Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Mon, 7/13/09, John wrote: From: John Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe CD-51 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 12:48 PM Oh yes, I remember more now, that light shield was bent, and it straightens out. You might try heating it up, on a 90 degree form, so it bends again. John the Jukebox Man ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 07:09:51 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon Aug 3 07:11:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Fluorescent Tubes For DS160 In-Reply-To: <209334.64698.qm@web96002.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <209334.64698.qm@web96002.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: They aren't a real standard size in the US- most chain stores don't stock them. However, electrical supply stores seem to usually have them or can get them for you. Thomas On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:49 AM, John Wilson wrote: > Part 409084 - 25w fluorescent tubes for my DS160... where is the best place > to purchase... in NZ these are a non standard size. Trying to keep the > machine standard.Cheers John > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From dave.halford at telent.com Mon Aug 3 07:17:16 2009 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 07:27:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Fluorescent Tubes For DS160 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's the same in the UK 1ft , 2ft , 3ft is easy any other length is a specialist supplier. regards Dave H Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From goldenflash60 at aol.com Mon Aug 3 07:58:29 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 08:07:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe/Ami R91 treble problem Message-ID: <8CBE261FEE03E7C-3E4-56@WEBMAIL-DZ30.sysops.aol.com> i have a Rowe R91 that sounds like it has way too much treble.? i have adjusted it all the way out and it still sounds like crap.? i didnt know if it was an amp problem or a speaker issue.? any help would be appreciated, Tom From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 09:35:47 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 3 09:37:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Fluorescent Tubes For DS160 In-Reply-To: <209334.64698.qm@web96002.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <514302.8693.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, I don't know where you can purchase them in NZ, but here in the US, they are available ( or "order-able") at a GOOD hardware store.? They are 30 inch lamps, T-12 in size, however you also may use the thinner T-8 size, without any problem. You might also try an "appliance store". ? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/2/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Fluorescent Tubes For DS160 To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 11:49 PM Part 409084 - 25w fluorescent tubes for my DS160... where is the best place to purchase... in NZ these are a non standard size. Trying to keep the machine standard.Cheers John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 09:43:50 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 3 09:45:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe/Ami R91 treble problem In-Reply-To: <8CBE261FEE03E7C-3E4-56@WEBMAIL-DZ30.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <563175.11037.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Could be amp problems--OR--could be miss-wired, either at the cartridge or the out put section. Are you using only the correct cabinet speakers ?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/3/09, goldenflash60@aol.com wrote: From: goldenflash60@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe/Ami R91 treble problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 7:58 AM i have a Rowe R91 that sounds like it has way too much treble.? i have adjusted it all the way out and it still sounds like crap.? i didnt know if it was an amp problem or a speaker issue.? any help would be appreciated, Tom _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 10:14:26 2009 From: jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Mon Aug 3 10:16:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-91 Message-ID: <204676.55031.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Like Ron said, it could be mis-wired. To start check the manual for proper wiring to the cartridge. Do you have the speakers hooked up like in the book? When the juke left the factory, they left the bass switches in the middle and the treble to high. Rowe's have a lot of bass because of the way they are wired. The woofers are wired both channel's positive leads to a terminal on one speaker and the second woofer paralleled to the first one. John the Jukebox Man From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Mon Aug 3 13:08:20 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 13:16:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? Message-ID: Hi all. I have been away for quite awhile. Over the last few days back on, I have not seen a post from Jackie. Does anyone know where or how she is? She brought so much to this site. Thanks all. Bentley From pinball at telus.net Mon Aug 3 14:52:02 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Aug 3 14:53:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A775C02.50109@telus.net> Kuglarb@wmconnect.com wrote: > Hi all. I have been away for quite awhile. Over the last few days back > on, I have not seen a post from Jackie. Does anyone know where or how she is? > She brought so much to this site. Thanks all. > > Bentley > Good point, she does not appear to have posted anything since late April. I hope everything is well with her and her family. John :-#(# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From goldenflash60 at aol.com Mon Aug 3 15:18:33 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:27:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe/Ami R91 treble problem In-Reply-To: <563175.11037.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBE29F78D75BC2-A44-14BF@webmail-mh07.sysops.aol.com> i believe they are the original.? is there a wiring diagram out there -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:43 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe/Ami R91 treble problem Could be amp problems--OR--could be miss-wired, either at the cartridge or the out put section. Are you using only the correct cabinet speakers ?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/3/09, goldenflash60@aol.com wrote: From: goldenflash60@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe/Ami R91 treble problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 7:58 AM i have a Rowe R91 that sounds like it has way too much treble.? i have adjusted it all the way out and it still sounds like crap.? i didnt know if it was an amp problem or a speaker issue.? any help would be appreciated, Tom _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 16:42:48 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 3 16:44:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe/Ami R91 treble problem In-Reply-To: <8CBE29F78D75BC2-A44-14BF@webmail-mh07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <109887.23863.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In the Service Manual-- --- On Mon, 8/3/09, goldenflash60@aol.com wrote: From: goldenflash60@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe/Ami R91 treble problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 3:18 PM i believe they are the original.? is there a wiring diagram out there -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2009 12:43 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe/Ami R91 treble problem Could be amp problems--OR--could be miss-wired, either at the cartridge or the out put section. Are you using only the correct cabinet speakers ?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/3/09, goldenflash60@aol.com wrote: From: goldenflash60@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe/Ami R91 treble problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 7:58 AM i have a Rowe R91 that sounds like it has way too much treble.? i have adjusted it all the way out and it still sounds like crap.? i didnt know if it was an amp problem or a speaker issue.? any help would be appreciated, Tom _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Aug 3 22:29:04 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 3 22:36:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/3/2009 10:39:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Jjmscf writes: She did post on Michael Jackson's death which started a thread that got out of hand. I hope she didn't leave because of that. J.C. In a message dated 8/3/2009 5:54:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pinball@telus.net writes: Kuglarb@wmconnect.com wrote: > Hi all. I have been away for quite awhile. Over the last few days back > on, I have not seen a post from Jackie. Does anyone know where or how she is? > She brought so much to this site. Thanks all. > > Bentley > Good point, she does not appear to have posted anything since late April. I hope everything is well with her and her family. John :-#(# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ____________________________________ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From rellis2007 at aol.com Tue Aug 4 04:34:01 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 4 04:42:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea Message-ID: <8CBE30E99197510-700-C45@webmail-dh38.sysops.aol.com> I think it would be beneficial if this group were run like the pinball group. just my 2 cents worth doc ellis From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Aug 4 05:24:59 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Tue Aug 4 05:26:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? Message-ID: <200908040824337.SM03768@[192.168.1.206]> Come to think of it... didn't Jackie have a friend on the list as well? It was Mel, wasn't it? I haven't seen a post from him in a while either. Oh well.... It IS summer vacation. Hopefully she's enjoying a cold drink at a Tiki Bar in Hawaii and can't get to a computer... or her jukeboxes for that matter. Aaron From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Tue Aug 4 05:38:35 2009 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Tue Aug 4 05:40:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where Is Jackie? Message-ID: Hey J.C. You hit the nail on the head. Jackie was personally attacked and ridiculed because she dared to post about the dead guy. She teaches music and has a passion for all things music which drives her desire for jukeboxes. She is a sweet person and a dear friend of mine. It was never her intention to fuel anyone's hatred, she was just sharing. Some who post to the list aimed their hatred for him squarely at her. Go look at the archives and read for what it is, you too will see how it all went down to the gutter. She was even scolded for daring to post something personal / off topic, however, I see examples of this daily on the list which is OK with me, we are all in this together, we love the music and the jukes, and as such have formed a sort of friendship over the net. Jackie has left the list for now and no longer reads it. I thought everyone deserved to know..... Read what you type before you hit send, there are people on the receiving end....... Jukeboxmel From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 06:07:45 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Aug 4 06:09:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea In-Reply-To: <8CBE30E99197510-700-C45@webmail-dh38.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <976310.41301.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 8/4/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: > I think it would be beneficial if > this group were run like the pinball group. just my 2 cents > worth Which means, how, exactly? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 07:14:17 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 4 07:16:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea In-Reply-To: <8CBE30E99197510-700-C45@webmail-dh38.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <648725.34459.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> OK Doc, please 'splain the pinball group--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/4/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: From: rellis2007@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 4:34 AM I think it would be beneficial if this group were run like the pinball group. just my 2 cents worth doc ellis _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 07:19:26 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 4 07:21:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where Is Jackie? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <338947.37642.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mel, Please tell her I miss her ! Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Mel Knight wrote: From: Mel Knight Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where Is Jackie? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: "etreble7" Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 5:38 AM Hey J.C.? You hit the nail on the head. Jackie was personally attacked and ridiculed because she dared to post about the dead guy. She teaches music and has a passion for all things music which drives her desire for jukeboxes. She is a sweet person and a dear friend of mine. It was never her intention to fuel anyone's hatred, she was just sharing. Some who post to the list aimed their hatred for him squarely at her. Go look at the archives and read for what it is, you too will see how it all went down to the gutter. She was even scolded for daring to post something personal / off topic, however, I see examples of this daily on the list which is OK with me, we are all in this together, we love the music and the jukes, and as such have formed a sort of friendship over the net. Jackie has left the list for now and no longer reads it. I thought everyone deserved to know..... Read what you type before you hit send, there are people on the receiving end....... Jukeboxmel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 4 07:42:24 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Tue Aug 4 07:44:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where Is Jackie? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <508772.41062.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hey Mel, sorry to hear Jackie has left the forum. Please see if you can persuade her to return. Sorry to hear she was upset over the whole MJ thing. Please explain to her its always the actions of a few mindless individuals that invariable spoils things for the majority of decent minded folks. I dont know her personally, but did send her some 78s once. She always seemed so enthusiastic about her jukebox finds. It would be a loss not have her input anymore. Gary --- On Tue, 4/8/09, Mel Knight wrote: > From: Mel Knight > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where Is Jackie? > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Cc: "etreble7" > Date: Tuesday, 4 August, 2009, 1:38 PM > Hey J.C.? You hit the nail on > the head. Jackie was personally attacked and ridiculed > because she > dared to post about the dead guy. She teaches music and has > a passion for all things music > which drives her desire for jukeboxes. She is a sweet > person and a dear friend of mine. > It was never her intention to fuel anyone's hatred, she was > just sharing. Some who post to the list > aimed their hatred for him squarely at her. Go look at the > archives and read for what it is, > you too will see how it all went down to the gutter. She > was even scolded for daring to post something personal / off > topic, > however, I see examples of this daily on the list which is > OK with me, we are all in this together, we love the music > and the jukes, > and as such have formed a sort of friendship over the net. > Jackie has left the list for now and no longer reads it. > I thought everyone deserved to know..... Read what you type > before you hit send, there are people on the receiving > end....... > Jukeboxmel > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From maxbeason at btinternet.com Tue Aug 4 05:36:56 2009 From: maxbeason at btinternet.com (Max Beason) Date: Tue Aug 4 08:49:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock Ola 1484 mechanism dress cap assembly Message-ID: Hello Luc, I've been after a mechanism dress cap for my Rock Ola 430 also. They are very similar jukeboxes. If you have any luck finding replacements I would love to hear about it as I have had no luck so far. I'm sure some enterprising person somewhere could make a bob or two by taking a cast off an original dress cap from a Rock ola 1484, 1494, 403 or 430 and then vacuum-mold a load of brand new replacements for us all! -All the best, -Max From ccos at knology.net Tue Aug 4 08:51:50 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (Columbus Coin-Op Shop) Date: Tue Aug 4 08:53:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock Ola 1484 mechanism dress cap assembly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007b01ca151b$7ae72770$70b57650$@net> What's a dress cap? Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 20001 S. Lumpkin Rd STE 18 Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Max Beason Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:37 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock Ola 1484 mechanism dress cap assembly Hello Luc, I've been after a mechanism dress cap for my Rock Ola 430 also. They are very similar jukeboxes. If you have any luck finding replacements I would love to hear about it as I have had no luck so far. I'm sure some enterprising person somewhere could make a bob or two by taking a cast off an original dress cap from a Rock ola 1484, 1494, 403 or 430 and then vacuum-mold a load of brand new replacements for us all! -All the best, -Max _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gazw1971 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 4 08:54:52 2009 From: gazw1971 at yahoo.co.uk (wheeldon gary) Date: Tue Aug 4 09:03:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock Ola 1484 mechanism dress cap assembly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <720103.59753.qm@web24712.mail.ird.yahoo.com> This what you're after? https://ssl.kundenserver.de/s34665813.einsundeinsshop.de/sess/utn;jsessionid=154a6648926f5fe/shopdata/0020_Ersatzteile+=28jukebox+parts=29+-+USA/0020_Rock-Ola/0060_Rock-Ola+1484=2C+1493=2C+1494+und+403/product_details.shopscript?article=0030_Mechanikabdeckung%2B%3D28mech%2Bcover%3D2C%2Bnot%2Bpainted%3D29%2B%3D28RO%2B631%3D29&startitem=0 --- On Tue, 4/8/09, Max Beason wrote: > From: Max Beason > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock Ola 1484 mechanism dress cap assembly > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, 4 August, 2009, 1:36 PM > Hello Luc, > I've been after a mechanism dress cap for my Rock Ola 430 > also. They are very similar jukeboxes. If you have any luck > finding replacements I would love to hear about it as I have > had no luck so far. > I'm sure some enterprising person somewhere could make a > bob or two by taking a cast off an original dress cap from > a? Rock ola 1484, 1494, 403 or 430 and then vacuum-mold > a load of brand new replacements for us all! > -All the best, > -Max > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ccos at knology.net Tue Aug 4 09:10:45 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (Columbus Coin-Op Shop) Date: Tue Aug 4 09:12:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock Ola 1484 mechanism dress cap assembly In-Reply-To: <720103.59753.qm@web24712.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <720103.59753.qm@web24712.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007c01ca151e$1f8bac90$5ea305b0$@net> I see.......that's what I imagined was being talked about, but I didn't know the name of it. I have one ending in a couple hours on ebay, but of course it's for 431 and newer. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 20001 S. Lumpkin Rd STE 18 Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of wheeldon gary Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:55 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock Ola 1484 mechanism dress cap assembly This what you're after? https://ssl.kundenserver.de/s34665813.einsundeinsshop.de/sess/utn;jsessionid =154a6648926f5fe/shopdata/0020_Ersatzteile+=28jukebox+parts=29+-+USA/0020_Ro ck-Ola/0060_Rock-Ola+1484=2C+1493=2C+1494+und+403/product_details.shopscript ?article=0030_Mechanikabdeckung%2B%3D28mech%2Bcover%3D2C%2Bnot%2Bpainted%3D2 9%2B%3D28RO%2B631%3D29&startitem=0 --- On Tue, 4/8/09, Max Beason wrote: > From: Max Beason > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock Ola 1484 mechanism dress cap assembly > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, 4 August, 2009, 1:36 PM > Hello Luc, > I've been after a mechanism dress cap for my Rock Ola 430 > also. They are very similar jukeboxes. If you have any luck > finding replacements I would love to hear about it as I have > had no luck so far. > I'm sure some enterprising person somewhere could make a > bob or two by taking a cast off an original dress cap from > a? Rock ola 1484, 1494, 403 or 430 and then vacuum-mold > a load of brand new replacements for us all! > -All the best, > -Max > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Aug 4 10:21:18 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue Aug 4 10:23:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM wired remote Message-ID: <000c01ca1527$fca30390$f5e90ab0$@net> Why come it is whenever I need something on Ebay..it's not there? And when just browsing..all kinds of stuff. Anyone have a wired remote for an NSM City IV laying around collecting dust? Feel free to contact me offline. Thanks again. Rich PS..also still looking for the back interior panel for it too..or someone who can email me dimensions and I will cut one out of 1/8" plexi and spray paint it. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 11:59:10 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 4 12:00:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock Ola 1484 mechanism dress cap assembly In-Reply-To: <007b01ca151b$7ae72770$70b57650$@net> Message-ID: <366957.23901.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Aka "Trim" , "Bezel", "Gingerbread" --In other words, something to "dress it up", but serves no use full function -- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Columbus Coin-Op Shop wrote: From: Columbus Coin-Op Shop Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rock Ola 1484 mechanism dress cap assembly To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 8:51 AM What's a dress cap? Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 20001 S. Lumpkin Rd STE 18 Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Max Beason Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:37 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock Ola 1484 mechanism dress cap assembly Hello Luc, I've been after a mechanism dress cap for my Rock Ola 430 also. They? are very similar jukeboxes. If you have any luck finding replacements? I would love to hear about it as I have had no luck so far. I'm sure some enterprising person somewhere could make a bob or two by? taking a cast off an original dress cap from a? Rock ola 1484, 1494,? 403 or 430 and then vacuum-mold a load of brand new replacements for? us all! -All the best, -Max _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 12:02:41 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 4 12:04:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM wired remote In-Reply-To: <000c01ca1527$fca30390$f5e90ab0$@net> Message-ID: <960662.55079.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> If it's the same-plug in style as for the CD's--yep--contact me if you wish- ronnnrich@yahoo.com? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM wired remote To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 10:21 AM Why come it is whenever I need something on Ebay..it's not there? And when just browsing..all kinds of stuff.? Anyone have a wired remote for an NSM City IV laying around collecting dust?? Feel free to contact me offline. Thanks again. Rich PS..also? still looking for the back interior panel for it too..or someone who can email me dimensions and I will cut one out of 1/8" plexi and spray paint it. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From DDEDIC at EARTHLINK.NET Tue Aug 4 07:27:58 2009 From: DDEDIC at EARTHLINK.NET (DALE DEDIC) Date: Tue Aug 4 12:32:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea In-Reply-To: <8CBE30E99197510-700-C45@webmail-dh38.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBE30E99197510-700-C45@webmail-dh38.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I AM ALL FOR THAT DALE ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:34 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea >I think it would be beneficial if this group were run like the pinball >group. just my 2 cents worth > > doc ellis > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From bobe at halted.com Tue Aug 4 12:27:50 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Tue Aug 4 12:44:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090804192750.008ca070@hsces.com> At 08:27 AM 8/4/2009 -0600, you wrote: >I AM ALL FOR THAT >DALE >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:34 AM >Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea > > >>I think it would be beneficial if this group were run like the pinball >>group. just my 2 cents worth What are you guys talking about? The pinball newsgroup? There is a jukebox newsgroup that operates in a similar manner: alt.collecting.juke-boxes Take a look there and see how much activity it has (answer: not much). This is a mailing list, operates on a completely different principle, and uses a completely different distribution system and protocol. Google fools some people into thinking that usenet newsgroups are "Google" groups, but only newbies fall for that... --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From bryanlshaw at hotmail.com Tue Aug 4 16:37:15 2009 From: bryanlshaw at hotmail.com (Bryan Shaw) Date: Tue Aug 4 16:45:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurly 2610 remote volume Message-ID: Hi all, I just got my amp back from Jay, another top notch rebuild!! I am trying to install a remote volume control. Jay generously included one that he had. I found another on ebay. I have installed both according to the instructions. The result is a: the record is loaded after selection is made, turntable does not turn. eject button on remote does not work, nor does reject button on the amp. The volume adjust motor does not rotate, this is true of both motors. Any ideas? Thanks bryan _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync:082009 From jay at west.net Tue Aug 4 16:55:35 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Aug 4 16:57:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurly 2610 remote volume In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A78CA77.2000501@west.net> Bryan Shaw wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I just got my amp back from Jay, another top notch rebuild!! I am trying to install a remote volume control. Jay generously included one that he had. I found another on ebay. I have installed both according to the instructions. The result is a: the record is loaded after selection is made, turntable does not turn. eject button on remote does not work, nor does reject button on the amp. The volume adjust motor does not rotate, this is true of both motors. Any ideas? Swap the wire on the remote reject switch to the other pin. The 2600 series use a normally-closed remote reject switch. I think there's a small label on the remote that calls this out. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 4 17:42:32 2009 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Tue Aug 4 17:44:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? Message-ID: Hi Mel, I noticed you CC'd your post to Jackie just to let her know what a great friend you are. I don't feel that my asking her to follow the rules of the list as stated on the intro webpage was scolding. You are laying it on pretty thick by saying she was personally attacked. It was simply poor judgment to post about such a controversial topic to a public forum. She always had a tendency to get WAY off topic. I think there are those that miss her antics, but just as many that are glad the list is back to business and no longer "dancin' out." Jackie, you have my personal apology if you think it was wrong to remind you about the rules of the list. Justin Message: 8 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:38:35 -0400 From: "Mel Knight" Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where Is Jackie? To: Cc: etreble7 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey J.C. You hit the nail on the head. Jackie was personally attacked and ridiculed because she dared to post about the dead guy. She teaches music and has a passion for all things music which drives her desire for jukeboxes. She is a sweet person and a dear friend of mine. It was never her intention to fuel anyone's hatred, she was just sharing. Some who post to the list aimed their hatred for him squarely at her. Go look at the archives and read for what it is, you too will see how it all went down to the gutter. She was even scolded for daring to post something personal / off topic, however, I see examples of this daily on the list which is OK with me, we are all in this together, we love the music and the jukes, and as such have formed a sort of friendship over the net. Jackie has left the list for now and no longer reads it. I thought everyone deserved to know..... Read what you type before you hit send, there are people on the receiving end....... Jukeboxmel _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM From DDEDIC at EARTHLINK.NET Tue Aug 4 17:35:36 2009 From: DDEDIC at EARTHLINK.NET (DALE DEDIC) Date: Tue Aug 4 17:47:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea In-Reply-To: <648725.34459.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <648725.34459.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't know how this site got started, but it is very helpful when working on a jukebox. Bet there are several that are as knowable about pinballs that would also be a big help. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea > OK Doc, please 'splain the pinball group--Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 8/4/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: > > From: rellis2007@aol.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 4:34 AM > > I think it would be beneficial if this group were run like the pinball > group. just my 2 cents worth > > doc ellis > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From rjpope at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 4 17:49:41 2009 From: rjpope at sbcglobal.net (Rodneyjpope) Date: Tue Aug 4 17:57:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea Message-ID: <733142.40266.qm@web82602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree that would be great! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2009, at 5:35 PM, "DALE DEDIC" wrote: I don't know how this site got started, but it is very helpful when working on a jukebox. Bet there are several that are as knowable about pinballs that would also be a big help. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea OK Doc, please 'splain the pinball group--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/4/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: From: rellis2007@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 4:34 AM I think it would be beneficial if this group were run like the pinball group. just my 2 cents worth doc ellis _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From s.cummings4738 at att.net Tue Aug 4 18:46:35 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Tue Aug 4 18:48:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea In-Reply-To: <733142.40266.qm@web82602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <733142.40266.qm@web82602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1345697080-1249436787-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1970787799-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Did we ever hear what it was about the pinball list that made it great? -----Original Message----- From: Rodneyjpope Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:49:41 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea I agree that would be great! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2009, at 5:35 PM, "DALE DEDIC" wrote: I don't know how this site got started, but it is very helpful when working on a jukebox. Bet there are several that are as knowable about pinballs that would also be a big help. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea OK Doc, please 'splain the pinball group--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/4/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: From: rellis2007@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 4:34 AM I think it would be beneficial if this group were run like the pinball group. just my 2 cents worth doc ellis _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From leovalk at hotmail.com Tue Aug 4 19:11:56 2009 From: leovalk at hotmail.com (leo valk) Date: Tue Aug 4 19:19:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Justin, do me a favor and back off. You still haven't learned any of this. Fact remains that it's you're doing what made Jackie feel this way. regardless of what you meant to say. We all miss Jacky dearly and in my opinion this list would be better of without the likes of you! I think the majority of this list was very happy with Jackie's contributions, off or on topic. This site shouldn't only allow space for technical issues! We are human beings here too! You are pretty keen on pointing out the rules. Wouldn't be $-based, would it? You just seem to like stirr up things or people for that matter! Justin, as you must know very well that Jacky is also aware of the rules, I'd say your apology sounds pretty poor to me. You know what? You could have just decided not to read the contributions that mentioned MJ. if they annoyed you that much! regards, Leo > From: fordfalcon63@hotmail.com > To: jukeboxmel@verizon.net; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com; etreble7@verizon.net > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:42:32 -0400 > CC: > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? > > > Hi Mel, I noticed you CC'd your post to Jackie just to let her know what a great friend you are. I don't feel that my asking her to follow the rules of the list as stated on the intro webpage was scolding. You are laying it on pretty thick by saying she was personally attacked. It was simply poor judgment to post about such a controversial topic to a public forum. She always had a tendency to get WAY off topic. I think there are those that miss her antics, but just as many that are glad the list is back to business and no longer "dancin' out." Jackie, you have my personal apology if you think it was wrong to remind you about the rules of the list. Justin > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:38:35 -0400 > From: "Mel Knight" > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where Is Jackie? > To: > Cc: etreble7 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey J.C. You hit the nail on the head. Jackie was personally attacked and ridiculed because she > dared to post about the dead guy. She teaches music and has a passion for all things music > which drives her desire for jukeboxes. She is a sweet person and a dear friend of mine. > It was never her intention to fuel anyone's hatred, she was just sharing. Some who post to the list > aimed their hatred for him squarely at her. Go look at the archives and read for what it is, > you too will see how it all went down to the gutter. She was even scolded for daring to post something personal / off topic, > however, I see examples of this daily on the list which is OK with me, we are all in this together, we love the music and the jukes, > and as such have formed a sort of friendship over the net. Jackie has left the list for now and no longer reads it. > I thought everyone deserved to know..... Read what you type before you hit send, there are people on the receiving end....... > Jukeboxmel > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your vacation photos on your phone! > http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Looking for a place to rent, share or buy this winter? Find your next place with Ninemsn?property http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Edomain%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Fs%5Fcid%3DFDMedia%3ANineMSN%5FHotmail%5FTagline&_t=774152450&_r=Domain_tagline&_m=EXT From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 19:34:07 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 4 19:35:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurly 2610 remote volume In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <152934.548.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Remove the wires from the amp--if the JB works now, you have "messed up" the RVC wiring--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Bryan Shaw wrote: From: Bryan Shaw Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurly 2610 remote volume To: "jukebox group" Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 4:37 PM Hi all, ???I just got my amp back from Jay, another top notch rebuild!!???I am trying to install a remote volume control.? Jay generously included one that he had.? I found another on ebay. I have installed both according to the instructions.? The result is a:? the record is loaded after selection is made, turntable does not turn.? eject button on remote does not work, nor does reject button on the amp.? The volume adjust motor does not rotate, this is true of both motors.? Any ideas? Thanks? bryan _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync:082009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 19:37:21 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Aug 4 19:38:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20090804192750.008ca070@hsces.com> Message-ID: <366331.18677.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Bob Ellingson wrote: > What are you guys talking about? The pinball > newsgroup? There is a jukebox > newsgroup that operates in a similar manner: > > alt.collecting.juke-boxes Ah, Usenet. I remember it well. Then AOL started marketing it as an AOL product. Suddenly every month was September. I shut down my Usenet server (once the 478th most influential in the world) in 1998. Usenet had become a mecca for spammers and clueless newbies. They don't even maintain the UUCP mapping project anymore. Sad, very sad. From DDEDIC at EARTHLINK.NET Tue Aug 4 19:18:58 2009 From: DDEDIC at EARTHLINK.NET (DALE DEDIC) Date: Tue Aug 4 19:39:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea In-Reply-To: <1345697080-1249436787-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1970787799-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <733142.40266.qm@web82602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1345697080-1249436787-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1970787799-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <8E09867AE12F404BAB049F6079D24D97@DedicPC> Same thing that is making the jukebox list great. People helping people getting their old machines working again. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cummings" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea > Did we ever hear what it was about the pinball list that made it great? > -----Original Message----- > From: Rodneyjpope > > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:49:41 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea > > > > I agree that would be great! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 4, 2009, at 5:35 PM, "DALE DEDIC" wrote: > > I don't know how this site got started, but it is very helpful when > working on a jukebox. Bet there are several that are as knowable about > pinballs that would also be a big help. > Dale > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:14 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea > > > OK Doc, please 'splain the pinball group--Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 8/4/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: > > From: rellis2007@aol.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 4:34 AM > > I think it would be beneficial if this group were run like the pinball > group. just my 2 cents worth > > doc ellis > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 4 19:39:04 2009 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Tue Aug 4 19:40:39 2009 Subject: FW: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Leo, I didn't make the rules of the list, but I do follow them. Is it too much to expect that others do as well? Have you read the jukelist info page that Jay wrote when he started the list? It is NOT a chat room, it IS a technical list. I've had several emails come in privately regarding this already. The majority in support of my post. How would this be a money based argument as you suggest??? I have never heard of you before on the list? Have you ever contributed anything helpful? For many years I used to post and help people for free, I stopped when my inbox began to overflow with like people talking about their dog, or significant other, kids, or Corvair. I reread my early posts you are referring to. They are straight and to the point. I used no obscene names, and made no direct accusations. I see no need to address this further. I felt a little attacked by Mel's post, hence the response. In the interest of keeping this juke related, time to drop it. Regards, Justin From: leovalk@hotmail.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:11:56 +1000 Justin, do me a favor and back off. You still haven't learned any of this. Fact remains that it's you're doing what made Jackie feel this way. regardless of what you meant to say. We all miss Jacky dearly and in my opinion this list would be better of without the likes of you! I think the majority of this list was very happy with Jackie's contributions, off or on topic. This site shouldn't only allow space for technical issues! We are human beings here too! You are pretty keen on pointing out the rules. Wouldn't be $-based, would it? You just seem to like stirr up things or people for that matter! Justin, as you must know very well that Jacky is also aware of the rules, I'd say your apology sounds pretty poor to me. You know what? You could have just decided not to read the contributions that mentioned MJ. if they annoyed you that much! regards, Leo > From: fordfalcon63@hotmail.com > To: jukeboxmel@verizon.net; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com; etreble7@verizon.net > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:42:32 -0400 > CC: > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? > > > Hi Mel, I noticed you CC'd your post to Jackie just to let her know what a great friend you are. I don't feel that my asking her to follow the rules of the list as stated on the intro webpage was scolding. You are laying it on pretty thick by saying she was personally attacked. It was simply poor judgment to post about such a controversial topic to a public forum. She always had a tendency to get WAY off topic. I think there are those that miss her antics, but just as many that are glad the list is back to business and no longer "dancin' out." Jackie, you have my personal apology if you think it was wrong to remind you about the rules of the list. Justin > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:38:35 -0400 > From: "Mel Knight" > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where Is Jackie? > To: > Cc: etreble7 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey J.C. You hit the nail on the head. Jackie was personally attacked and ridiculed because she > dared to post about the dead guy. She teaches music and has a passion for all things music > which drives her desire for jukeboxes. She is a sweet person and a dear friend of mine. > It was never her intention to fuel anyone's hatred, she was just sharing. Some who post to the list > aimed their hatred for him squarely at her. Go look at the archives and read for what it is, > you too will see how it all went down to the gutter. She was even scolded for daring to post something personal / off topic, > however, I see examples of this daily on the list which is OK with me, we are all in this together, we love the music and the jukes, > and as such have formed a sort of friendship over the net. Jackie has left the list for now and no longer reads it. > I thought everyone deserved to know..... Read what you type before you hit send, there are people on the receiving end....... > Jukeboxmel > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your vacation photos on your phone! > http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Find your next place with Ninemsn property Looking for a place to rent, share or buy this winter? Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 19:42:05 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Aug 4 19:43:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <805295.58241.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 8/4/09, leo valk wrote: > Justin, do me a favor and back off. You still haven't > learned any of this. Fact remains that it's you're doing > what made Jackie feel this way. regardless of what you meant > to say. We all miss Jacky dearly and in my opinion this list > would be better of without the likes of you! Looks like there's more than one person here who should do a little backing off. From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Tue Aug 4 20:20:43 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Tue Aug 4 20:22:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI EX 500 & EX 600 External Speakers Message-ID: <9B8D87820A714FB08BB232A397388876@Graeme> I have a EX-500 External Speaker made by AMI, There is a badge on the speaker with "Canteen" in place of "AMI" that is on the "EX-600" speaker. I have one of each speaker. The speaker connections are different no the EX-500 model, than those covered in the "K" and Continental 1 & Continental 2 service manuals, covering the EX-600 model that is badged AMI. I was able to find that in 1959 Automatic Canteen Co. bought AMI, merging the two units into a manufacturing subsidiary Called Rowe AC Services. It later went on to become Rowe/AMI. What model jukebox was the EX-500 used for, and would any one have paper work on how the hook it up. I assume it may be for the "J" model. Graeme Harvey From leovalk at hotmail.com Tue Aug 4 20:30:51 2009 From: leovalk at hotmail.com (leo valk) Date: Tue Aug 4 20:32:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Justin, just because you have never heard of me, doesn't mean I wasn't around. I always read the majority of the contributions and found them quite interesting. At a certain stage I've been trying to put a question on this list, but for some reason they never actually showed up on the list. Never knew why, as nobody could tell me why they didn't. So I have contacted a few members of list, among them Jacky. I was lucky enough not really needing any assistance of the list members so far, while my knowledge on jukes is not in the league of some contributants on this list, so I was not in the position to help out others. I must admit when I read your mail before, I got a bit emotional in my reply. Obviously my reaction got through to the list this time, which is actually the first time! Trust me, I did read the reason for founding this list, but I also followed the "off topic" MJ issue, and among others, your contribution to it. Unneccesary, if you ask me, as this would have stopped anyway, leaving Jacky unscathed! Just let people like Jacky be. Don't want to read what they say, delete their mail, and get on with life! I didn't mean to offend you, I was just wondering what drove you, apart from sticking to these rules. I'm sure you must have heard the saying: "Exception to the rule" at some stage! In order to try sticking to them as well, this is the last thing I'll say about it. regards, Leo > From: fordfalcon63@hotmail.com > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: FW: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:39:04 -0400 > > > > > > Leo, I didn't make the rules of the list, but I do follow them. Is it too much to expect that others do as well? Have you read the jukelist info page that Jay wrote when he started the list? It is NOT a chat room, it IS a technical list. I've had several emails come in privately regarding this already. The majority in support of my post. How would this be a money based argument as you suggest??? I have never heard of you before on the list? Have you ever contributed anything helpful? For many years I used to post and help people for free, I stopped when my inbox began to overflow with like people talking about their dog, or significant other, kids, or Corvair. I reread my early posts you are referring to. They are straight and to the point. I used no obscene names, and made no direct accusations. I see no need to address this further. I felt a little attacked by Mel's post, hence the response. In the interest of keeping this juke related, time to drop it. Regards, Justin > > From: leovalk@hotmail.com > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:11:56 +1000 > > > > > > > > > Justin, do me a favor and back off. You still haven't learned any of this. Fact remains that it's you're doing what made Jackie feel this way. regardless of what you meant to say. We all miss Jacky dearly and in my opinion this list would be better of without the likes of you! > > > > I think the majority of this list was very happy with Jackie's contributions, off or on topic. This site shouldn't only allow space for technical issues! We are human beings here too! You are pretty keen on pointing out the rules. Wouldn't be $-based, would it? You just seem to like stirr up things or people for that matter! Justin, as you must know very well that Jacky is also aware of the rules, I'd say your apology sounds pretty poor to me. You know what? You could have just decided not to read the contributions that mentioned MJ. if they annoyed you that much! > > > > regards, Leo > > > From: fordfalcon63@hotmail.com > > To: jukeboxmel@verizon.net; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com; etreble7@verizon.net > > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:42:32 -0400 > > CC: > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? > > > > > > Hi Mel, I noticed you CC'd your post to Jackie just to let her know what a great friend you are. I don't feel that my asking her to follow the rules of the list as stated on the intro webpage was scolding. You are laying it on pretty thick by saying she was personally attacked. It was simply poor judgment to post about such a controversial topic to a public forum. She always had a tendency to get WAY off topic. I think there are those that miss her antics, but just as many that are glad the list is back to business and no longer "dancin' out." Jackie, you have my personal apology if you think it was wrong to remind you about the rules of the list. Justin > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:38:35 -0400 > > From: "Mel Knight" > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where Is Jackie? > > To: > > Cc: etreble7 > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hey J.C. You hit the nail on the head. Jackie was personally attacked and ridiculed because she > > dared to post about the dead guy. She teaches music and has a passion for all things music > > which drives her desire for jukeboxes. She is a sweet person and a dear friend of mine. > > It was never her intention to fuel anyone's hatred, she was just sharing. Some who post to the list > > aimed their hatred for him squarely at her. Go look at the archives and read for what it is, > > you too will see how it all went down to the gutter. She was even scolded for daring to post something personal / off topic, > > however, I see examples of this daily on the list which is OK with me, we are all in this together, we love the music and the jukes, > > and as such have formed a sort of friendship over the net. Jackie has left the list for now and no longer reads it. > > I thought everyone deserved to know..... Read what you type before you hit send, there are people on the receiving end....... > > Jukeboxmel > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your vacation photos on your phone! > > http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM_______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Find your next place with Ninemsn property Looking for a place to rent, share or buy this winter? > Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. > _________________________________________________________________ > Get free photo software from Windows Live > http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ What goes online, stays online Check the daily blob for the latest on what's happening around the web http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 4 20:34:46 2009 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Tue Aug 4 20:36:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI EX 500 & EX 600 External Speakers Message-ID: Hi Graeme, I believe that the EX-500 was exclusively for the Ami Canteen system. It was much like the seeburg background music system, or library units. I had a couple of the "canteens". They were non select hideaways that played either or both sides of 100 records on the typical AMI carousel. The speakers were 70volt CV if i remember. You'll have to take the back off to figure out the primary connections on the impedance matching x-frmr, but they should work fine with all AMis of the period. Justin I have a EX-500 External Speaker made by AMI, There is a badge on the speaker with "Canteen" in place of "AMI" that is on the "EX-600" speaker. I have one of each speaker. The speaker connections are different no the EX-500 model, than those covered in the "K" and Continental 1 & Continental 2 service manuals, covering the EX-600 model that is badged AMI. I was able to find that in 1959 Automatic Canteen Co. bought AMI, merging the two units into a manufacturing subsidiary Called Rowe AC Services. It later went on to become Rowe/AMI. What model jukebox was the EX-500 used for, and would any one have paper work on how the hook it up. I assume it may be for the "J" model. Graeme Harvey _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 4 21:07:15 2009 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Tue Aug 4 21:08:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: list and thanks... Message-ID: Hi Leo, no hard feelings. I have a thick skin. The elimination of digest OT really was my only intention. Rules are rules for a reason. I hope you do post again when you have a juke issue. I'd be glad to help if i can. This is also a good time to thank the contributors over the last several weeks. The list overall seems to be more focused, informative, and interesting. Much like the early days. Justin Justin, just because you have never heard of me, doesn't mean I wasn't around. I always read the majority of the contributions and found them quite interesting. At a certain stage I've been trying to put a question on this list, but for some reason they never actually showed up on the list. Never knew why, as nobody could tell me why they didn't. So I have contacted a few members of list, among them Jacky. I was lucky enough not really needing any assistance of the list members so far, while my knowledge on jukes is not in the league of some contributants on this list, so I was not in the position to help out others. I must admit when I read your mail before, I got a bit emotional in my reply. Obviously my reaction got through to the list this time, which is actually the first time! Trust me, I did read the reason for founding this list, but I also followed the "off topic" MJ issue, and among others, your contribution to it. Unneccesary, if you ask me, as this would have stopped anyway, leaving Jacky unscathed! Just let people like Jacky be. Don't want to read what they say, delete their mail, and get on with life! I didn't mean to offend you, I was just wondering what drove you, apart from sticking to these rules. I'm sure you must have heard the saying: "Exception to the rule" at some stage! In order to try sticking to them as well, this is the last thing I'll say about it. regards, Leo _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Tue Aug 4 21:15:24 2009 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Tue Aug 4 21:16:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? Message-ID: My GOD, now Justin's coming after me....LOL. Any way's, I was NOT referring to you, Justin, just the general tone of the thread, it's clear to see by your snarky reference to Jackie and her sig line (dancin' out) that you dislike her, so be it. I cc'd her because I was talking about her, common courtesy. Thanks also for noticing that I AM her friend. It is clear for all to see that you have issues Justin, please leave me out of your future rants, and don't flatter yourself by thinking I was referencing you in my original post. Good Greif, it must be a full moon! Jukeboxmel From ccos at knology.net Tue Aug 4 22:42:34 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Tue Aug 4 22:44:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57E1E161C70B4CC5BCD75A94B522F375@CCOSPC> I agree and disagree with several sides of this discussion. I too miss Jackie but if I thought she was out of line I'd say so (in this posting, probably not in a blurt at the time.) Several people on this list said various things about MJ and it didn't kill me to read it or delete it at the time. In my humble opinion, or as I see Ron say quite often IMHO, Jay is the administrator of this list, and he allows us to get off topic now and then, such as someone politely asking for help with a video game or pinball, ..........or even discussion of how understanding spouses are of members having more jukeboxes in their houses than furniture........etc. Is it not jukebox related for someone to discuss why they really like one jukebox over another, or how their spouse tries to understand the passion? That has bled over once or twice to Jackie's Corvair and nobody seemed to mind. A few even chimed in about that. Here's a novel idea......I dunno.......it just hit me in a dream one day........let Jay administrate the list. If you have a complaint, email it to Jay and let the rest of us enjoy the camaraderie ? Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin S." To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:42 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? Hi Mel, I noticed you CC'd your post to Jackie just to let her know what a great friend you are. I don't feel that my asking her to follow the rules of the list as stated on the intro webpage was scolding. You are laying it on pretty thick by saying she was personally attacked. It was simply poor judgment to post about such a controversial topic to a public forum. She always had a tendency to get WAY off topic. I think there are those that miss her antics, but just as many that are glad the list is back to business and no longer "dancin' out." Jackie, you have my personal apology if you think it was wrong to remind you about the rules of the list. Justin Message: 8 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:38:35 -0400 From: "Mel Knight" Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where Is Jackie? To: Cc: etreble7 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey J.C. You hit the nail on the head. Jackie was personally attacked and ridiculed because she dared to post about the dead guy. She teaches music and has a passion for all things music which drives her desire for jukeboxes. She is a sweet person and a dear friend of mine. It was never her intention to fuel anyone's hatred, she was just sharing. Some who post to the list aimed their hatred for him squarely at her. Go look at the archives and read for what it is, you too will see how it all went down to the gutter. She was even scolded for daring to post something personal / off topic, however, I see examples of this daily on the list which is OK with me, we are all in this together, we love the music and the jukes, and as such have formed a sort of friendship over the net. Jackie has left the list for now and no longer reads it. I thought everyone deserved to know..... Read what you type before you hit send, there are people on the receiving end....... Jukeboxmel _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Wed Aug 5 00:06:31 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Aug 5 00:08:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] List administration, topic drift, etc. In-Reply-To: <57E1E161C70B4CC5BCD75A94B522F375@CCOSPC> References: <57E1E161C70B4CC5BCD75A94B522F375@CCOSPC> Message-ID: <4A792F77.7070908@west.net> CCOS wrote: > Is it not jukebox related for someone to discuss why they really like > one jukebox over another, or how their spouse tries to understand the > passion? That has bled over once or twice to Jackie's Corvair and nobody > seemed to mind. A few even chimed in about that. > > Here's a novel idea......I dunno.......it just hit me in a dream one > day........let Jay administrate the list. If you have a complaint, email > it to Jay and let the rest of us enjoy the camaraderie ? I have found that some topic drift tends to add to the feeling of community. It usually fades relatively quickly. The same people who enjoy old jukeboxes probably appreciate pinball machines and other coin-op items such as slots and old Coke machines as well as automobiles of the era, music trivia, player pianos and nickelodeons, etc. After a while these threads usually fade out or are taken private by those who started them. They are an interesting diversion and I think most people don't mind reading them. No harm, no foul and I really don't want to be the topic police. I expected the Michael Jackson thread to do the same thing. I do *not* fault Jackie in the slightest for bringing it up. It was timely and topical from a music standpoint. There were comments about the music, the Jackson Five, the video of the coin flipped across the room into the Wurlitzer, etc. Then it turned ugly fast. Many people have strong feelings and opinions about Michael Jackson the person that are unrelated to his music and even further unrelated to the machines that play it. Those feelings and opinions got expressed here, and they really don't belong here. I was partially at fault by posting an anecdote about an incident that affected the network hosting the list, and by an attempt to end the thread by an obscure reference to "Godwin's Law" that probably wasn't understood by most of the participants. For the first and only time in ten years I moderated the list. Not just any one individual, the whole thing. I read and approved or discarded every message. Any posting related to MJ or the resulting flame war hit the bit bucket. It seemed to work, but it delayed all postings and I felt very uncomfortable acting as a censor. I *really* don't want to do that again. Anyone fanning the flames, please stop. Now. Take it private or just drop it. This is not just a technical list. It isn't just a swap board. It is what the 600-plus of you want to make of it, as long as it remains collegial and friendly and somewhat related to coin-operated music machines. I started the list as an alternative to Usenet before the alt.collecting.juke-boxes group was chartered. The utility and reach of Usenet was in decline, newcomers to the Internet didn't really understand it and I didn't want to go down that path. Email is universal, it's easy and I had the CPU cycles and bandwidth available to host the list. That's how it started, and my philosophy is to let the members decide how things ebb and flow in terms of the topics discussed. We're all adults here, let's act like it. Avoid personal attacks. Don't recycle old dirty laundry. Don't let things get too far off-topic, but don't fear posting something marginally related to the hobby. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From genron at telenet.be Wed Aug 5 00:26:06 2009 From: genron at telenet.be (Genron) Date: Wed Aug 5 00:34:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] the list, emails and OT Message-ID: <004601ca159d$ffaee060$6405a8c0@uwspjqh5ts4ftf> Just wanted to share a TIP that for some off you can be usefull in separating the list from youre private emails. I get the feeling from reading some of the OT posts a lot off members are not so happy to receive a lot of emails and the need to FILTER them out or delete them. Here's my way to keep track off the jukebox list and to have it separated from my other daily emails. 1.. I made a separate folder called "jukeboxlist" 2.. I made a message rule that has the emailadress from the jukeboxlist 3.. Once there's a email comming in from the list it get's separated automatically into that folder sometimes there's about 35 -50 a day into that folder. 4.. All my other "private" emails are just going into the usual "inbox" 5.. When i feel the need to "clean" that folder i just read the titles and "keep" the titles of my interest in that folder for example when it is related to one of my jukeboxes. All the others is just delete them from that folder. This is my way for keeping track of the list and i do not have them coming into all my private emails. It is also very usefull because if I get a problem with one of my jukeboxes i do not have to run trough the complete history of the jukeboxlist to find emails that are related to my jukes. I just go have a look into my special folder and i have all my related emails for use. SO: i am a member from 09/2007 and i have only 78 emails into this folder that i kept trough this years. I do not need to get to the history list to find my related emails again and the need to read some of the OT emails. At last, this is a tiny world and let's help each other instead of having discussions about who is the longest at the list or who is the best friend of someone else or who makes the most contributions.... keep it friendly to each other and let us enjoy the huge interest from a lot off people for our hobby. kind regards, Didier from Belgium. ps: if someone does not really good understand how to make the folder or the message rule, just ask me and i will try to help em out. From rellis2007 at aol.com Wed Aug 5 04:45:27 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 5 04:47:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] the list, emails and OT In-Reply-To: <004601ca159d$ffaee060$6405a8c0@uwspjqh5ts4ftf> References: <004601ca159d$ffaee060$6405a8c0@uwspjqh5ts4ftf> Message-ID: <8CBE3D95C018D67-16A4-272A@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> I sure agree on this, at one time I stopped the juke box group because of all the spam it?brings with it. I sure think it should e set up like the Pinball group. not tha it is perfect, but it is a lot better then this group. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Genron To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2009 2:26 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] the list, emails and OT Just wanted to share a TIP that for some off you can be usefull in separating the list from youre private emails. I get the feeling from reading some of the OT posts a lot off members are not so happy to receive a lot of emails and the need to FILTER them out or delete them. Here's my way to keep track off the jukebox list and to have it separated from my other daily emails. 1.. I made a separate folder called "jukeboxlist" 2.. I made a message rule that has the emailadress from the jukeboxlist 3.. Once there's a email comming in from the list it get's separated automatically into that folder sometimes there's about 35 -50 a day into that folder. 4.. All my other "private" emails are just going into the usual "inbox" 5.. When i feel the need to "clean" that folder i just read the titles and "keep" the titles of my interest in that folder for example when it is related to one of my jukeboxes. All the others is just delete them from that folder. This is my way for keeping track of the list and i do not have them coming into all my private emails. It is also very usefull because if I get a problem with one of my jukeboxes i do not have to run trough the complete history of the jukeboxlist to find emails that are related to my jukes. I just go have a look into my special folder and i have all my related emails for use. SO: i am a member from 09/2007 and i have only 78 emails into this folder that i kept trough this years. I do not need to get to the history list to find my related emails again and the need to read some of the OT emails. At last, this is a tiny world and let's help each other instead of having discussions about who is the longest at the list or who is the best friend of someone else or who makes the most contributions.... keep it friendly to each other and let us enjoy the huge interest from a lot off people for our hobby. kind regards, Didier from Belgium. ps: if someone does not really good understand how to make the folder or the message rule, just ask me and i will try to help em out. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rellis2007 at aol.com Wed Aug 5 04:48:02 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 5 04:56:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] List administration, topic drift, etc. In-Reply-To: <4A792F77.7070908@west.net> References: <57E1E161C70B4CC5BCD75A94B522F375@CCOSPC> <4A792F77.7070908@west.net> Message-ID: <8CBE3D9B8E994B7-16A4-274D@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> I agree two million percent, not that it mattes to thoes who do it, doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2009 2:06 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] List administration, topic drift, etc. CCOS wrote:? ? > Is it not jukebox related for someone to discuss why they really like > one jukebox over another, or how their spouse tries to understand the > passion? That has bled over once or twice to Jackie's Corvair and nobody > seemed to mind. A few even chimed in about that.? > > Here's a novel idea......I dunno.......it just hit me in a dream one > day........let Jay administrate the list. If you have a complaint, email > it to Jay and let the rest of us enjoy the camaraderie ?? ? I have found that some topic drift tends to add to the feeling of community. It usually fades relatively quickly. The same people who enjoy old jukeboxes probably appreciate pinball machines and other coin-op items such as slots and old Coke machines as well as automobiles of the era, music trivia, player pianos and nickelodeons, etc.? ? After a while these threads usually fade out or are taken private by those who started them. They are an interesting diversion and I think most people don't mind reading them. No harm, no foul and I really don't want to be the topic police.? ? I expected the Michael Jackson thread to do the same thing. I do *not* fault Jackie in the slightest for bringing it up. It was timely and topical from a music standpoint. There were comments about the music, the Jackson Five, the video of the coin flipped across the room into the Wurlitzer, etc.? ? Then it turned ugly fast. Many people have strong feelings and opinions about Michael Jackson the person that are unrelated to his music and even further unrelated to the machines that play it. Those feelings and opinions got expressed here, and they really don't belong here.? ? I was partially at fault by posting an anecdote about an incident that affected the network hosting the list, and by an attempt to end the thread by an obscure reference to "Godwin's Law" that probably wasn't understood by most of the participants.? ? For the first and only time in ten years I moderated the list. Not just any one individual, the whole thing. I read and approved or discarded every message. Any posting related to MJ or the resulting flame war hit the bit bucket. It seemed to work, but it delayed all postings and I felt very uncomfortable acting as a censor.? ? I *really* don't want to do that again. Anyone fanning the flames, please stop. Now. Take it private or just drop it.? ? This is not just a technical list. It isn't just a swap board. It is what the 600-plus of you want to make of it, as long as it remains collegial and friendly and somewhat related to coin-operated music machines. I started the list as an alternative to Usenet before the alt.collecting.juke-boxes group was chartered. The utility and reach of Usenet was in decline, newcomers to the Internet didn't really understand it and I didn't want to go down that path. Email is universal, it's easy and I had the CPU cycles and bandwidth available to host the list.? ? That's how it started, and my philosophy is to let the members decide how things ebb and flow in terms of the topics discussed. We're all adults here, let's act like it. Avoid personal attacks. Don't recycle old dirty laundry. Don't let things get too far off-topic, but don't fear posting something marginally related to the hobby.? ? --? Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net? Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/? Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From jhayes2613 at aol.com Wed Aug 5 05:00:35 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 5 05:09:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] List administration, topic drift, etc. In-Reply-To: <4A792F77.7070908@west.net> References: <57E1E161C70B4CC5BCD75A94B522F375@CCOSPC> <4A792F77.7070908@west.net> Message-ID: <8CBE3DB79EC9E98-744-3468@MBLK-M23.sysops.aol.com> You rule, Jay. -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2009 2:06 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] List administration, topic drift, etc. CCOS wrote:? ? > Is it not jukebox related for someone to discuss why they really like > one jukebox over another, or how their spouse tries to understand the > passion? That has bled over once or twice to Jackie's Corvair and nobody > seemed to mind. A few even chimed in about that.? > > Here's a novel idea......I dunno.......it just hit me in a dream one > day........let Jay administrate the list. If you have a complaint, email > it to Jay and let the rest of us enjoy the camaraderie ?? ? I have found that some topic drift tends to add to the feeling of community. It usually fades relatively quickly. The same people who enjoy old jukeboxes probably appreciate pinball machines and other coin-op items such as slots and old Coke machines as well as automobiles of the era, music trivia, player pianos and nickelodeons, etc.? ? After a while these threads usually fade out or are taken private by those who started them. They are an interesting diversion and I think most people don't mind reading them. No harm, no foul and I really don't want to be the topic police.? ? I expected the Michael Jackson thread to do the same thing. I do *not* fault Jackie in the slightest for bringing it up. It was timely and topical from a music standpoint. There were comments about the music, the Jackson Five, the video of the coin flipped across the room into the Wurlitzer, etc.? ? Then it turned ugly fast. Many people have strong feelings and opinions about Michael Jackson the person that are unrelated to his music and even further unrelated to the machines that play it. Those feelings and opinions got expressed here, and they really don't belong here.? ? I was partially at fault by posting an anecdote about an incident that affected the network hosting the list, and by an attempt to end the thread by an obscure reference to "Godwin's Law" that probably wasn't understood by most of the participants.? ? For the first and only time in ten years I moderated the list. Not just any one individual, the whole thing. I read and approved or discarded every message. Any posting related to MJ or the resulting flame war hit the bit bucket. It seemed to work, but it delayed all postings and I felt very uncomfortable acting as a censor.? ? I *really* don't want to do that again. Anyone fanning the flames, please stop. Now. Take it private or just drop it.? ? This is not just a technical list. It isn't just a swap board. It is what the 600-plus of you want to make of it, as long as it remains collegial and friendly and somewhat related to coin-operated music machines. I started the list as an alternative to Usenet before the alt.collecting.juke-boxes group was chartered. The utility and reach of Usenet was in decline, newcomers to the Internet didn't really understand it and I didn't want to go down that path. Email is universal, it's easy and I had the CPU cycles and bandwidth available to host the list.? ? That's how it started, and my philosophy is to let the members decide how things ebb and flow in terms of the topics discussed. We're all adults here, let's act like it. Avoid personal attacks. Don't recycle old dirty laundry. Don't let things get too far off-topic, but don't fear posting something marginally related to the hobby.? ? --? Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net? Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/? Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From genron at telenet.be Wed Aug 5 05:01:31 2009 From: genron at telenet.be (Genron) Date: Wed Aug 5 05:10:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] the list, emails and OT References: <004601ca159d$ffaee060$6405a8c0@uwspjqh5ts4ftf> <8CBE3D95C018D67-16A4-272A@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000c01ca15c4$78ec3600$6405a8c0@uwspjqh5ts4ftf> HOW about making a forum instead of this mailing list? Has any older member from this list ever dropped this suggestion? I would like to know how many of the members would prefer this mailing list to change into a forum. That would be more easy to browse archived items and we could make several folders to talk about, for example to split the jukebox related and the music related items. How can i check how many members of this list would prefer to change to a forum instead of a mailinglist. I could make the forum and have it online for free but offcourse i am not going to start this job if any of you won't appreciate the suggestion or rather prefer it the way it is now. kind regards, Didier. ----- Original Message ----- From: rellis2007@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] the list, emails and OT I sure agree on this, at one time I stopped the juke box group because of all the spam it?brings with it. I sure think it should e set up like the Pinball group. not tha it is perfect, but it is a lot better then this group. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Genron To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2009 2:26 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] the list, emails and OT Just wanted to share a TIP that for some off you can be usefull in separating the list from youre private emails. I get the feeling from reading some of the OT posts a lot off members are not so happy to receive a lot of emails and the need to FILTER them out or delete them. Here's my way to keep track off the jukebox list and to have it separated from my other daily emails. 1.. I made a separate folder called "jukeboxlist" 2.. I made a message rule that has the emailadress from the jukeboxlist 3.. Once there's a email comming in from the list it get's separated automatically into that folder sometimes there's about 35 -50 a day into that folder. 4.. All my other "private" emails are just going into the usual "inbox" 5.. When i feel the need to "clean" that folder i just read the titles and "keep" the titles of my interest in that folder for example when it is related to one of my jukeboxes. All the others is just delete them from that folder. This is my way for keeping track of the list and i do not have them coming into all my private emails. It is also very usefull because if I get a problem with one of my jukeboxes i do not have to run trough the complete history of the jukeboxlist to find emails that are related to my jukes. I just go have a look into my special folder and i have all my related emails for use. SO: i am a member from 09/2007 and i have only 78 emails into this folder that i kept trough this years. I do not need to get to the history list to find my related emails again and the need to read some of the OT emails. At last, this is a tiny world and let's help each other instead of having discussions about who is the longest at the list or who is the best friend of someone else or who makes the most contributions.... keep it friendly to each other and let us enjoy the huge interest from a lot off people for our hobby. kind regards, Didier from Belgium. ps: if someone does not really good understand how to make the folder or the message rule, just ask me and i will try to help em out. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rellis2007 at aol.com Wed Aug 5 05:12:32 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 5 05:21:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20090804192750.008ca070@hsces.com> References: <2.2.32.20090804192750.008ca070@hsces.com> Message-ID: <8CBE3DD25415619-16A4-2848@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> Yes.I was talking about the pinball news group, while it is not perfect, it is sure better then this group. check it out You will see what I mean. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Bob Ellingson To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:27 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea At 08:27 AM 8/4/2009 -0600, you wrote: >I AM ALL FOR THAT >DALE >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:34 AM >Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea > > >>I think it would be beneficial if this group were run like the pinball >>group. just my 2 cents worth What are you guys talking about? The pinball newsgroup? There is a jukebox newsgroup that operates in a similar manner: alt.collecting.juke-boxes Take a look there and see how much activity it has (answer: not much). This is a mailing list, operates on a completely different principle, and uses a completely different distribution system and protocol. Google fools some people into thinking that usenet newsgroups are "Google" groups, but only newbies fall for that... --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rellis2007 at aol.com Wed Aug 5 05:14:41 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 5 05:23:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea In-Reply-To: References: <8CBE30E99197510-700-C45@webmail-dh38.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBE3DD721FE6ED-16A4-2864@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> Dale thanks for Your support. doc -----Original Message----- From: DALE DEDIC To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:27 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea I AM ALL FOR THAT? DALE? ----- Original Message ----- From: ? To: ? Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:34 AM? Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea? ? >I think it would be beneficial if this group were run like the pinball >group. just my 2 cents worth? >? > doc ellis? > _______________________________________________? > Jukebox-list mailing list? > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? > ? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From rellis2007 at aol.com Wed Aug 5 05:23:58 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 5 05:25:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea In-Reply-To: <648725.34459.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBE3DEBD2076D1-16A4-28BD@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> Ron please got to the pinball group and check it out,? think You wil see what I mean, like I said their is no groups that is perfect go with an open mind, Many of us do both Juke box and pinball. if You are not sure how to get their google pinpall groups. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:14 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea OK Doc, please 'splain the pinball group--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/4/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: From: rellis2007@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 4:34 AM I think it would be beneficial if this group were run like the pinball group. just my 2 cents worth doc ellis _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From s.cummings4738 at att.net Wed Aug 5 05:27:46 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Wed Aug 5 05:29:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea Message-ID: <1106491363-1249475251-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-194842554-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Doc, your name wouldn't happen to be Alan, would it? ------Original Message------ From: rellis2007@aol.com Sender: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox List ReplyTo: Jukebox List Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea Sent: Aug 5, 2009 7:23 AM Ron please got to the pinball group and check it out,? think You wil see what I mean, like I said their is no groups that is perfect go with an open mind, Many of us do both Juke box and pinball. if You are not sure how to get their google pinpall groups. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:14 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea OK Doc, please 'splain the pinball group--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/4/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: From: rellis2007@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 4:34 AM I think it would be beneficial if this group were run like the pinball group. just my 2 cents worth doc ellis _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rellis2007 at aol.com Wed Aug 5 05:32:20 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 5 05:34:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea In-Reply-To: <976310.41301.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBE3DFE9597E6F-16A4-28FA@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> David go to the pinball goup with an open mind and You will see what I mean, If Your not sure how to get their google pinball groups, and? from there?and as I?said it is not perfect but I think it is a lot more informative, and after all that what these groups are all about -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:07 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea --- On Tue, 8/4/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: > I think it would be beneficial if > this group were run like the pinball group. just my 2 cents > worth Which means, how, exactly? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Aug 5 06:24:53 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Aug 5 06:26:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI EX 500 & EX 600 External Speakers In-Reply-To: <9B8D87820A714FB08BB232A397388876@Graeme> Message-ID: <832656.40928.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Graeme, I have seen that badge before.? Just a WAG--"500" ohm ? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Graeme Harvey wrote: From: Graeme Harvey Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI EX 500 & EX 600 External Speakers To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 8:20 PM I have a EX-500 External Speaker made by AMI,? ? There is a badge on the speaker with "Canteen"???in place of? "AMI" that is on the "EX-600" speaker. I have one of each speaker. The speaker connections are different no the EX-500 model, than those covered in the "K" and Continental 1 & Continental 2 service manuals, covering the EX-600 model that is badged AMI.? ??? I was able to find that in 1959 Automatic Canteen Co. bought AMI, merging the two units into a manufacturing subsidiary Called Rowe AC Services.? ? It later went on to become Rowe/AMI. What model jukebox was the EX-500 used for, and would any one have paper work on how the hook it up.???I assume it may be for the "J" model. Graeme Harvey _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Wed Aug 5 06:57:56 2009 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Wed Aug 5 06:59:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea In-Reply-To: <8CBE3DFE9597E6F-16A4-28FA@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBE3DFE9597E6F-16A4-28FA@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <960818.13848.qm@web86706.mail.ird.yahoo.com> I've been on this list quite a long time although I don't post very much (better to say nothing than nothing useful?).? I might be a bit old fashioned, and maybe that's a trait among us (older?) jukebox types, but I rather like this group the way it is.? There are?odd occasions when I find I have to use the "delete" key a lot - but it's my choice and?I can live with that! N. ________________________________ From: "rellis2007@aol.com" To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wednesday, 5 August, 2009 1:32:20 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea David go to the pinball goup with an open mind and You will see what I mean, If Your not sure how to get their google pinball groups, and? from there?and as I?said it is not perfect but I think it is a lot more informative, and after all that what these groups are all about -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:07 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea --- On Tue, 8/4/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: > I think it would be beneficial if > this group were run like the pinball group. just my 2 cents > worth Which means, how, exactly? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edbap at aol.com Wed Aug 5 06:53:56 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 5 07:02:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Can't we all just get along? In-Reply-To: <832656.40928.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBE3EB4F2B2894-BD4-2AE3@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> My 2 cents worth, I appreciate this site, and hope it keeps on rolling along as it has been.? Yea, it gets off topic once in a while, but the good that comes from this site far outweighs the other stuff.? I enjoy hearing what is going on elsewhere, with jukes, music, even Corvairs!? Yea, the MJ stuff got a little crazy, but if it bother's you, don't even open it, delete it when the subject isn't something you wanna see. I know it isn't easy managing a site like this, and my hats off to those who do.? I appreciate the help, support, and vast knowlege that is here, and do not want to see it change.? As I said, my 2 cents worth. Thanks, Ed Baptista, Kent, WA From jdl1981 at ymail.com Wed Aug 5 06:53:03 2009 From: jdl1981 at ymail.com (Josh Loman) Date: Wed Aug 5 07:06:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RockOla 1432 Rocket Nice Original Must Sell for Medical Bills Professionally Rebuilt Amp Dayton Ohio Message-ID: <658370.38256.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I have a nice original Rockola 1432 Rocket 45 RPM Juke that is in nice original condition. The plastics and glass are all intact and are absolutely flawless. The box has an original professionally rebuilt amp from PR Novelty. It is a fresh rebuild. The wood is all in great condition and it is complete. It is not playing because the tone arm is not hooked up. It is missing the top cartridge but I have a replacement entire tome arm assembly. It selects as it should. I have a bunch of extra parts with it. The Juke is at my step Dad's house in Dayton Ohio. The juke is how I left it. I am working overseas and have a stack of medical bills due to my USA insurance not covering me here. This juke will make a very easy restoration. It must sell. I really need the cash. It is on ebay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=110421371005&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123#ht_500wt_1182 or ebay number #110421371005.? This is a buy it now at $999 obo. Make me an offer. Thank you From tjmertz at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 5 07:38:13 2009 From: tjmertz at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Mertz) Date: Wed Aug 5 07:39:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] List administration, topic drift, etc. In-Reply-To: <8CBE3DB79EC9E98-744-3468@MBLK-M23.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <369495.18102.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you Jay for creating the list and allowing it to be a community. I've been moved mourning for people I've never met by the emotions their friends expressed here.? I've been touched by the kindness with which people offer their help.? I've been heartened by the on and off line friendships that I have seen developing via this list. I've long considered this list a very special example of an on line community.? I don't want to lose that. If we all do our best to keep the ugliness out, we don't have to. TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on?Madison Public Schools From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Wed Aug 5 08:30:04 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Wed Aug 5 08:31:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea Message-ID: <417505.13696.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hey folks, I too have enjoyed this list for a few years now and in general I am happy with it. The combined wealth of knowledge here is outstanding. Its rather sad that a few of the stalwarts have passed away recently, but at least they have left a great legacy. Tony Miller, Wes Dean, Charlie Maier et al. One thing I do find very frustrating is that when someone has a jukebox problem/fault and then gets suggestions on how to fix it, you rarely hear how the issue is resolved. May I make a suggestion that once a member has got their jukebox going again, either by themselves or with the assistance of the group, they post the results detailing exactly how the solution was achieved. I think this would be of enormous benefit to other members. Just a brief description of the fault, and how it was resolved would be required. I have always found the Dr Know it all (Harold Hagen) section in the Always Jukin publication to be extremely valuable, providing sound advice, but again, you rarely found out if his suggestions cured the problem. Although, judging by his knowledge of jukeboxes, I would guess that 9 time out of 10 he probably did. I do believe there are now compilation books available, with all the Dr Know it All articles taken from Always Jukin. Anyway, Here is my contribution PROBLEM/FAULT: AMI CONTINENTAL 1 NOT RETURNING RECORDS. TURNTABLE JUST KEEPS SPINNING AND WILL NOT REJECT BY ANY METHOD. CURE: SWITCH MACHINE ON AND OFF SEVERAL TIMES UNTIL RECORD EVENTUALLY REJECTS BY USING REJECT BUTTON OR CUT OFF SWITCH. IF THIS DOESNT WORK, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO TURN THE MOTOR BY HAND TO GET THE RECORD OUT AND BACK TO THE CAROUSEL. TAKE TRANSFER MOTOR APART, CHECK/CLEAN INTERNALS, CHECK CARBON BRUSHES/COMMUTATOR FOR WEAR. CLEAN COMMUTATOR WITH PETROL, ALLOW TO DRY OFF, THEN POLISH UP WITH SOME BRASSO OR SIMILAR POLISH USING A DREMEL OR SIMILAR ELECTRIC POLISHER. DONT LEAVE ANY RESIDUE, AND DON?T USE ANY HEAVY ABRASIVES OR WET AND DRY TYPE PAPERS. REASSEMBLE. Did the trick for me. It would be good to get other members opinions on my suggestion. Gary --- On Wed, 5/8/09, NORMAN MACRAE wrote: > From: NORMAN MACRAE > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, 5 August, 2009, 2:57 PM > I've been on this list quite a long > time although I don't post very much (better to say nothing > than nothing useful?).? I might be a bit old fashioned, and > maybe that's a trait among us (older?) jukebox types, but I > rather like this group the way it is.? There are?odd > occasions when I find I have to use the "delete" key a lot - > but it's my choice and?I can live with that! > N. > > > > ________________________________ > From: "rellis2007@aol.com" > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Sent: Wednesday, 5 August, 2009 1:32:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea > > David > go to the pinball goup with an open mind and You will see > what I mean, If Your not sure how to get their google > pinball groups, and? from there?and as I?said it is not > perfect but I think it is a lot more informative, and after > all that what these groups are all about > -----Original Message----- > From: David Breneman > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:07 am > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/4/09, rellis2007@aol.com > > wrote: > > > I think it would be beneficial if > > this group were run like the pinball group. just my 2 > cents > > worth > > > Which means, how, exactly? > > > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From rmiles5 at cox.net Wed Aug 5 08:42:49 2009 From: rmiles5 at cox.net (Bonnie) Date: Wed Aug 5 08:44:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] stop sending e mails Message-ID: <90D7E69088154D92A0F7268A3E70EA8A@bonitac08hfzz4> I have taken my name off e mail list I thought,However I have been getting so many e mails from the juke box folks ,how do I stop this? Bon From rmiles5 at cox.net Wed Aug 5 08:44:56 2009 From: rmiles5 at cox.net (Bonnie) Date: Wed Aug 5 08:46:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] the list, emails and OT References: <004601ca159d$ffaee060$6405a8c0@uwspjqh5ts4ftf> <8CBE3D95C018D67-16A4-272A@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <0117B4B7493F45EFB1C6185B66FF55E3@bonitac08hfzz4> Love, Bon ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] the list, emails and OT >I sure agree on this, at one time I stopped the juke box group because of >all the spam it?brings with it. > I sure think it should e set up like the Pinball group. not tha it is > perfect, but it is a lot better then this group. > > doc ellis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Genron > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2009 2:26 am > Subject: [Jukebox-list] the list, emails and OT > > > > Just wanted to share a TIP that for some off you can be usefull in > separating > the list from youre private emails. > > I get the feeling from reading some of the OT posts a lot off members are > not so > happy to receive a lot of emails and the need to FILTER them out or delete > them. > > Here's my way to keep track off the jukebox list and to have it separated > from > my other daily emails. > > 1.. I made a separate folder called "jukeboxlist" > 2.. I made a message rule that has the emailadress from the jukeboxlist > 3.. Once there's a email comming in from the list it get's separated > automatically into that folder sometimes there's about 35 -50 a day into > that > folder. > 4.. All my other "private" emails are just going into the usual "inbox" > 5.. When i feel the need to "clean" that folder i just read the titles > and > "keep" the titles of my interest in that folder for example when it is > related > to one of my jukeboxes. All the others is just delete them from that > folder. > > This is my way for keeping track of the list and i do not have them coming > into > all my private emails. > > It is also very usefull because if I get a problem with one of my > jukeboxes i do > not have to run trough the complete history of the jukeboxlist to find > emails > that are related to my jukes. > I just go have a look into my special folder and i have all my related > emails > for use. > > SO: i am a member from 09/2007 and i have only 78 emails into this folder > that i > kept trough this years. > I do not need to get to the history list to find my related emails again > and the > need to read some of the OT emails. > > > At last, > this is a tiny world and let's help each other instead of having > discussions > about who is the longest at the list or who is the best friend of someone > else > or who makes the most contributions.... > keep it friendly to each other and let us enjoy the huge interest from a > lot off > people for our hobby. > > kind regards, > Didier from Belgium. > > ps: if someone does not really good understand how to make the folder or > the > message rule, just ask me and i > will try to help em out. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rmiles5 at cox.net Wed Aug 5 08:44:43 2009 From: rmiles5 at cox.net (Bonnie) Date: Wed Aug 5 08:46:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] email Message-ID: Take me off your list.Thank you rmiles5@cox.net From rmiles5 at cox.net Wed Aug 5 08:36:51 2009 From: rmiles5 at cox.net (Bonnie) Date: Wed Aug 5 09:26:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? References: <805295.58241.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Please do send me anymore e mails thank you Love, Bon ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? > > --- On Tue, 8/4/09, leo valk wrote: > >> Justin, do me a favor and back off. You still haven't >> learned any of this. Fact remains that it's you're doing >> what made Jackie feel this way. regardless of what you meant >> to say. We all miss Jacky dearly and in my opinion this list >> would be better of without the likes of you! > > Looks like there's more than one person here who should > do a little backing off. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rmiles5 at cox.net Wed Aug 5 08:37:54 2009 From: rmiles5 at cox.net (Bonnie) Date: Wed Aug 5 09:26:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea References: <733142.40266.qm@web82602.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1345697080-1249436787-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1970787799-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <8E09867AE12F404BAB049F6079D24D97@DedicPC> Message-ID: <8340F0CB9563481993164B590BF1347E@bonitac08hfzz4> Please do not send me any more e mails Love, Bon ----- Original Message ----- From: "DALE DEDIC" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea > Same thing that is making the jukebox list great. People helping people > getting their old machines working again. > Dale > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Cummings" > To: "Jukebox List" > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea > > >> Did we ever hear what it was about the pinball list that made it great? >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rodneyjpope >> >> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:49:41 >> To: Jukebox mailing list >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea >> >> >> >> I agree that would be great! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 4, 2009, at 5:35 PM, "DALE DEDIC" wrote: >> >> I don't know how this site got started, but it is very helpful when >> working on a jukebox. Bet there are several that are as knowable about >> pinballs that would also be a big help. >> Dale >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:14 AM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea >> >> >> OK Doc, please 'splain the pinball group--Ron Rich >> >> --- On Tue, 8/4/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: >> >> From: rellis2007@aol.com >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea >> To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 4:34 AM >> >> I think it would be beneficial if this group were run like the pinball >> group. just my 2 cents worth >> >> doc ellis >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rmiles5 at cox.net Wed Aug 5 08:37:20 2009 From: rmiles5 at cox.net (Bonnie) Date: Wed Aug 5 09:26:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea References: <366331.18677.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17AE2FA9B4ED4A4A801E2E085D3CA531@bonitac08hfzz4> Please do not send me any more e ails Love, Bon ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea > > --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Bob Ellingson wrote: > > >> What are you guys talking about? The pinball >> newsgroup? There is a jukebox >> newsgroup that operates in a similar manner: >> >> alt.collecting.juke-boxes > > Ah, Usenet. I remember it well. Then AOL started > marketing it as an AOL product. Suddenly every > month was September. I shut down my Usenet server > (once the 478th most influential in the world) in > 1998. Usenet had become a mecca for spammers and > clueless newbies. They don't even maintain the > UUCP mapping project anymore. Sad, very sad. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rmiles5 at cox.net Wed Aug 5 08:36:15 2009 From: rmiles5 at cox.net (Bonnie) Date: Wed Aug 5 09:26:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? References: Message-ID: Please do not send me any more e mails. Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin S." To: Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 7:39 PM Subject: FW: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? Leo, I didn't make the rules of the list, but I do follow them. Is it too much to expect that others do as well? Have you read the jukelist info page that Jay wrote when he started the list? It is NOT a chat room, it IS a technical list. I've had several emails come in privately regarding this already. The majority in support of my post. How would this be a money based argument as you suggest??? I have never heard of you before on the list? Have you ever contributed anything helpful? For many years I used to post and help people for free, I stopped when my inbox began to overflow with like people talking about their dog, or significant other, kids, or Corvair. I reread my early posts you are referring to. They are straight and to the point. I used no obscene names, and made no direct accusations. I see no need to address this further. I felt a little attacked by Mel's post, hence the response. In the interest of keeping this juke related, time to drop it. Regards, Justin From: leovalk@hotmail.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:11:56 +1000 Justin, do me a favor and back off. You still haven't learned any of this. Fact remains that it's you're doing what made Jackie feel this way. regardless of what you meant to say. We all miss Jacky dearly and in my opinion this list would be better of without the likes of you! I think the majority of this list was very happy with Jackie's contributions, off or on topic. This site shouldn't only allow space for technical issues! We are human beings here too! You are pretty keen on pointing out the rules. Wouldn't be $-based, would it? You just seem to like stirr up things or people for that matter! Justin, as you must know very well that Jacky is also aware of the rules, I'd say your apology sounds pretty poor to me. You know what? You could have just decided not to read the contributions that mentioned MJ. if they annoyed you that much! regards, Leo > From: fordfalcon63@hotmail.com > To: jukeboxmel@verizon.net; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com; > etreble7@verizon.net > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:42:32 -0400 > CC: > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? > > > Hi Mel, I noticed you CC'd your post to Jackie just to let her know what a > great friend you are. I don't feel that my asking her to follow the rules > of the list as stated on the intro webpage was scolding. You are laying it > on pretty thick by saying she was personally attacked. It was simply poor > judgment to post about such a controversial topic to a public forum. She > always had a tendency to get WAY off topic. I think there are those that > miss her antics, but just as many that are glad the list is back to > business and no longer "dancin' out." Jackie, you have my personal apology > if you think it was wrong to remind you about the rules of the list. > Justin > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:38:35 -0400 > From: "Mel Knight" > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where Is Jackie? > To: > Cc: etreble7 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey J.C. You hit the nail on the head. Jackie was personally attacked and > ridiculed because she > dared to post about the dead guy. She teaches music and has a passion for > all things music > which drives her desire for jukeboxes. She is a sweet person and a dear > friend of mine. > It was never her intention to fuel anyone's hatred, she was just sharing. > Some who post to the list > aimed their hatred for him squarely at her. Go look at the archives and > read for what it is, > you too will see how it all went down to the gutter. She was even scolded > for daring to post something personal / off topic, > however, I see examples of this daily on the list which is OK with me, we > are all in this together, we love the music and the jukes, > and as such have formed a sort of friendship over the net. Jackie has left > the list for now and no longer reads it. > I thought everyone deserved to know..... Read what you type before you hit > send, there are people on the receiving end....... > Jukeboxmel > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your vacation photos on your phone! > http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Find your next place with Ninemsn property Looking for a place to rent, share or buy this winter? Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rmiles5 at cox.net Wed Aug 5 08:38:44 2009 From: rmiles5 at cox.net (Bonnie) Date: Wed Aug 5 09:26:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI EX 500 & EX 600 External Speakers References: <9B8D87820A714FB08BB232A397388876@Graeme> Message-ID: Please do not send me any more e mails,Thank You Bon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme Harvey" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI EX 500 & EX 600 External Speakers I have a EX-500 External Speaker made by AMI, There is a badge on the speaker with "Canteen" in place of "AMI" that is on the "EX-600" speaker. I have one of each speaker. The speaker connections are different no the EX-500 model, than those covered in the "K" and Continental 1 & Continental 2 service manuals, covering the EX-600 model that is badged AMI. I was able to find that in 1959 Automatic Canteen Co. bought AMI, merging the two units into a manufacturing subsidiary Called Rowe AC Services. It later went on to become Rowe/AMI. What model jukebox was the EX-500 used for, and would any one have paper work on how the hook it up. I assume it may be for the "J" model. Graeme Harvey _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Aug 5 10:39:12 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Aug 5 10:40:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea In-Reply-To: <8CBE3DFE9597E6F-16A4-28FA@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <672613.97677.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 8/5/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: > David > go to the pinball goup with an open mind and You will see > what I mean, If Your not sure how to get their google > pinball groups, and? from there?and as I?said it is not > perfect but I think it is a lot more informative, and after > all that what these groups are all about So, please, tell me (or us) is this a Usenet news group, or something run by Google? (Your instructions for accessing it have some holes in them, so it's hard to know exactly what you mean.) I'm happy to take a look at it, but my original question still stands: What is better about this pinball (newsgroup? Google-something-group?) that makes it superior? Simply saying "Just go there and the scales will fall from your eyes" doesn't tell me much. I recall that kind of offer got Spock in trouble in an episode of Star Trek. :-) From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Tue Aug 4 08:35:40 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Wed Aug 5 10:58:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Refinishing mech board on W 1015 In-Reply-To: <8CBE19908F70BB4-C80-5215@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> References: <284000.3600.qm@web63206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <8CBE19908F70BB4-C80-5215@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: _______________________________________________ Hi everyone, I am in the process of restoring a Wurlitzer 1015, and had one quick question for the group. I want to remove the mechanism from the mech board so that I can properly refinish it. I can take all the bolts out of it, but the mech still won't come off. Is it necessary for me to remove the record stack first, in order to remove the whole mech from the board? If this is the case, is there anything special to taking the stack off? I assume I should just make note of the order of the trays and washers? Anything else? Thanks in advance everyone. Mike _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From dppe at inebraska.com Wed Aug 5 11:13:12 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Wed Aug 5 11:14:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea In-Reply-To: <672613.97677.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <672613.97677.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi David, Here is the url for the pinball newsgroup: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/topics This is a group of mostly pinball collectors who post on this site. This is a very active newsgroup as you will see there are posts about every 2 or 3 minutes on it. Most of the people on this group are very friendly and helpful, but like any large group you will find some people that are a little different and may not appear to be as friendly. I go here all the time to get information and help with my pinball machines. Good luck! Dana On Aug 5, 2009, at 12:39 PM, David Breneman wrote: > > --- On Wed, 8/5/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: > >> David >> go to the pinball goup with an open mind and You will see >> what I mean, If Your not sure how to get their google >> pinball groups, and? from there?and as I?said it is not >> perfect but I think it is a lot more informative, and after >> all that what these groups are all about > > So, please, tell me (or us) is this a Usenet news group, or > something run by Google? (Your instructions for accessing > it have some holes in them, so it's hard to know exactly > what you mean.) > > I'm happy to take a look at it, but my original question > still stands: What is better about this pinball (newsgroup? > Google-something-group?) that makes it superior? Simply > saying "Just go there and the scales will fall from your > eyes" doesn't tell me much. I recall that kind of offer > got Spock in trouble in an episode of Star Trek. :-) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jeffzurn at cox.net Wed Aug 5 11:31:03 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Wed Aug 5 11:32:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Refinishing mech board on W 1015 References: <284000.3600.qm@web63206.mail.re1.yahoo.com><8CBE19908F70BB4-C80-5215@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01ca15fa$e3cde7d0$7cd73109@ZURNT60> It's been a long while since I last cleaned my 1015 mech... but I do remember needing to unstack it. Diagram the series of washers/spacers/springs as they come out. This is also a good time to clean all of those bits and polish up the aluminum trays. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:35 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Refinishing mech board on W 1015 _______________________________________________ Hi everyone, I am in the process of restoring a Wurlitzer 1015, and had one quick question for the group. I want to remove the mechanism from the mech board so that I can properly refinish it. I can take all the bolts out of it, but the mech still won't come off. Is it necessary for me to remove the record stack first, in order to remove the whole mech from the board? If this is the case, is there anything special to taking the stack off? I assume I should just make note of the order of the trays and washers? Anything else? Thanks in advance everyone. Mike _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bobe at halted.com Wed Aug 5 11:58:24 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Wed Aug 5 12:15:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090805185824.0098db90@hsces.com> At 08:12 AM 8/5/2009 -0400, you wrote: >Yes.I was talking about the pinball news group, while it is not perfect, it is sure better then this group. check it out You will see what I mean. I'll have to strongly disagree there...I was a regular reader of (and contributor to) the pinball newsgroup for ten years (1995-2005). I unsubscribed from it a couple years ago because the signal-to-noise ratio was so bad, and getting worse. Newbies to usenet somehow got the idea that it was OK to post anything to the group, as long as it had "OT" (Off-Topic) in their subject line. So I had to wade through posts about the Steelers, beer, barbecue joints, cars, politics, etc. that just had no place there. There was also (and still is, I believe) a lot of petty, personal sniping and trolling, and pissing contests that convinced me my time was being mostly wasted there. There is no moderator there whatsoever, so nothing can be done about those negatives. I don't understand how you think this email message forum could be modeled after that, or why it would be an improvement. What is this mailing list not giving you, that a newsgroup could? As I mentioned before, there is a jukebox newgroup, alt.collecting.juke-boxes newsgroup, but being in the "alt" heirarchy, it attracted a lot of spam posts, and not a lot of useful content, so it doesn't get much of my attention anymore either. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From dppe at inebraska.com Wed Aug 5 12:28:47 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Wed Aug 5 12:30:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20090805185824.0098db90@hsces.com> References: <2.2.32.20090805185824.0098db90@hsces.com> Message-ID: Sorry, guess I need to go back and read the original post as I thought this person was seeking help with pinballs. I'm not trying to slam the "list" as I think it is a great help with great people. I do think that despite the garbage that can be found on rec.games.pinball that there is lots of good information there about pinballs and I have met some great people there also. Dana On Aug 5, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Bob Ellingson wrote: > At 08:12 AM 8/5/2009 -0400, you wrote: >> Yes.I was talking about the pinball news group, while it is not >> perfect, it > is sure better then this group. check it out You will see what I mean. > > I'll have to strongly disagree there...I was a regular reader of (and > contributor to) the pinball newsgroup for ten years (1995-2005). I > unsubscribed from it a couple years ago because the signal-to-noise > ratio > was so bad, and getting worse. Newbies to usenet somehow got the idea > that > it was OK to post anything to the group, as long as it had "OT" > (Off-Topic) > in their subject line. So I had to wade through posts about the > Steelers, > beer, barbecue joints, cars, politics, etc. that just had no place > there. > There was also (and still is, I believe) a lot of petty, personal > sniping > and trolling, and pissing contests that convinced me my time was being > mostly wasted there. There is no moderator there whatsoever, so > nothing can > be done about those negatives. > > I don't understand how you think this email message forum could be > modeled > after that, or why it would be an improvement. What is this mailing > list > not giving you, that a newsgroup could? > > As I mentioned before, there is a jukebox newgroup, > alt.collecting.juke-boxes newsgroup, but being in the "alt" heirarchy, > it > attracted a lot of spam posts, and not a lot of useful content, so it > doesn't get much of my attention anymore either. > > --Bob > ======================================================================= > Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com > Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com > 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 > Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Wed Aug 5 13:51:16 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Wed Aug 5 13:53:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where Is Jackie? References: <338947.37642.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ...Ron, Mel, I think this goes for 99% of us! I can fully understand why she left, but I think most of us would welcome her back if she chose to return. I see a lot has been written on the subject of OT posts and why Jackie left. I have been a member of this list for about 5 years and have learned a lot from it. I have also managed to contribute to some debates. If I see an OT post that I don't want to read I just delete it. I have to delete far more of the "stuff" that arrives in my inbox from non jukebox list members so this is not a big deal. As for changing the format - I'm not in favour of that. I do belong to a classic car "forum", where I have log on and read the messages to participate and I find this much less convenient. Let's try to keep this list going in it's present form. Even the OT stuff we see here is usually related in some way to Jukeboxes (at the start of the thread anyway!). Sometimes it's nice to see things from a different perspective. Best Regards to all, Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Where Is Jackie? Mel, Please tell her I miss her ! Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Mel Knight wrote: From: Mel Knight Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where Is Jackie? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: "etreble7" Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 5:38 AM Hey J.C. You hit the nail on the head. Jackie was personally attacked and ridiculed because she dared to post about the dead guy. She teaches music and has a passion for all things music which drives her desire for jukeboxes. She is a sweet person and a dear friend of mine. It was never her intention to fuel anyone's hatred, she was just sharing. Some who post to the list aimed their hatred for him squarely at her. Go look at the archives and read for what it is, you too will see how it all went down to the gutter. She was even scolded for daring to post something personal / off topic, however, I see examples of this daily on the list which is OK with me, we are all in this together, we love the music and the jukes, and as such have formed a sort of friendship over the net. Jackie has left the list for now and no longer reads it. I thought everyone deserved to know..... Read what you type before you hit send, there are people on the receiving end....... Jukeboxmel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.43/2281 - Release Date: 08/04/09 05:57:00 From jhayes2613 at aol.com Wed Aug 5 13:56:44 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 5 14:03:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea In-Reply-To: References: <2.2.32.20090805185824.0098db90@hsces.com> Message-ID: <8CBE4265FB39115-8E0-589@webmail-dx18.sysops.aol.com> Ron Rich, Jay, Jukebox Mel... could you ask for a more knowledgeable roster of contributors? I like things just as they are. -----Original Message----- From: Dana To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2009 2:28 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea Sorry, guess I need to go back and read the original post as I thought this person was seeking help with pinballs. I'm not trying to slam the "list" as I think it is a great help with great people.? I do think that despite the garbage that can be found on rec.games.pinball that there is lots of good information there about pinballs? and I have met some great people there also. Dana? On Aug 5, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Bob Ellingson wrote:? ? > At 08:12 AM 8/5/2009 -0400, you wrote:? >> Yes.I was talking about the pinball news group, while it is not >> perfect, it? > is sure better then this group. check it out You will see what I mean.? >? > I'll have to strongly disagree there...I was a regular reader of (and? > contributor to) the pinball newsgroup for ten years (1995-2005). I? > unsubscribed from it a couple years ago because the signal-to-noise > ratio? > was so bad, and getting worse. Newbies to usenet somehow got the idea > that? > it was OK to post anything to the group, as long as it had "OT" > (Off-Topic)? > in their subject line. So I had to wade through posts about the > Steelers,? > beer, barbecue joints, cars, politics, etc. that just had no place > there.? > There was also (and still is, I believe) a lot of petty, personal > sniping? > and trolling, and pissing contests that convinced me my time was being? > mostly wasted there. There is no moderator there whatsoever, so > nothing can? > be done about those negatives.? >? > I don't understand how you think this email message forum could be > modeled? > after that, or why it would be an improvement. What is this mailing > list? > not giving you, that a newsgroup could?? >? > As I mentioned before, there is a jukebox newgroup,? > alt.collecting.juke-boxes newsgroup, but being in the "alt" heirarchy, > it? > attracted a lot of spam posts, and not a lot of useful content, so it? > doesn't get much of my attention anymore either.? >? > --Bob? > =======================================================================? > Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com? > Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com? > 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573? > Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX)? >? > ___________________________ ____________________? > Jukebox-list mailing list? > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? >? ? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From webmaster at guestwho.com Wed Aug 5 14:03:23 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Wed Aug 5 14:05:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re the discussion about being more like pinball group Message-ID: I haven't been on the pinball group, but usenet groups in general are full of spam and flame wars (no I'm not reffering to any specific group). If you want an example of how a good community works, look at soda-machines.com. Personally I like this mailing list format just fine, I find everyone to be most helpful, even toward newbies like myself ;-) Chris From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 5 14:17:40 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Wed Aug 5 14:19:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Refinishing mech board on W 1015 References: <284000.3600.qm@web63206.mail.re1.yahoo.com><8CBE19908F70BB4-C80-5215@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000901ca1612$2aa37be0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I personally would remove the stack first because it usually gets gummy and needs cleaning and lubrication anyway. It also lightens up the mech and makes it easier to handle when you do get the board off. But I believe you should be able to remove the board without removing the stack. The turntable shaft, tonearm stop post, and the record tray front support all go through holes in the board to the mech. Have you removed each of these? One more thing to check is the rubber washers between the mech frame and the board - they often degrade and turn to a gooey mess so that the mech becomes "glued" to the board. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:35 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Refinishing mech board on W 1015 _______________________________________________ Hi everyone, I am in the process of restoring a Wurlitzer 1015, and had one quick question for the group. I want to remove the mechanism from the mech board so that I can properly refinish it. I can take all the bolts out of it, but the mech still won't come off. Is it necessary for me to remove the record stack first, in order to remove the whole mech from the board? If this is the case, is there anything special to taking the stack off? I assume I should just make note of the order of the trays and washers? Anything else? Thanks in advance everyone. Mike _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Wed Aug 5 15:19:51 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Wed Aug 5 15:21:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] List administration, topic drift, etc. References: <369495.18102.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The willingness of people from around the globe to help fellow jukebox enthusiasts is something that we all should be proud part of. I would not like to see the format of this list change. We are all hear because of the love of the one thing, jukeboxes. The wealth of knowledge and warm friendliness, to share this knowledge is a credit to the group. Newbies are welcomed and nurtured, with patience and respect. This group has allowed me to enjoy a hobby that would be near impossible without the help from the group. Do not change it we have something special here. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Mertz" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] List administration, topic drift, etc. Thank you Jay for creating the list and allowing it to be a community. I've been moved mourning for people I've never met by the emotions their friends expressed here. I've been touched by the kindness with which people offer their help. I've been heartened by the on and off line friendships that I have seen developing via this list. I've long considered this list a very special example of an on line community. I don't want to lose that. If we all do our best to keep the ugliness out, we don't have to. TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on Madison Public Schools _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Wed Aug 5 16:15:12 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Wed Aug 5 16:23:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? Message-ID: Folks - I have just completed reading some of yesterday's and today's responses to my question regarding Jackie. What immaturity. Please note: I have really enjoyed this site, with not only the mechanical and historical information regarding jukes, but the personalities that it brings with it. Yes, I really enjoyed Jackie and what she brought to the thread. Not only was she a great ambassador to jukebox collecting, but she was an inspiration to all of us new collectors. She brought so much excitement and enthusiasm to the thread. She always brought a compassionate side as well. To tell all the truth, the thread has not been as much fun without her. I am sorry to have heard that her opinions or feelings caused such a ruckus. I am glad that I was away during this time. Not because she said anything about a late recording artist, but because of all the bashing that she must have taken. I love collecting as much as anyone as I have some vintage cars, some antique phonographs, radios, etc., and no matter how much information I am able to gather, or how many folks lend their time to provide specifics on mechanics, I still enjoy the fellowship that comes along with it. It's nice to change the directions occasionally and nice to add other points to the conversation. Jackie, if you can hear me, I want you to know that I miss your emails about your new machines, new projects, or stories about your bulldog. Life is too short and there are too many other things to worry about other than a 100% 'gotta stick to the format' jukebox forum or thread. The delete button on your keyboard is there for a reason. If don't like a post, simply delete it. If I don't seem to fit in, then send me out of the gate. Thanks Jackie for all that you did to increase my interest in jukeboxes. DANCING OUT!!! bently From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Wed Aug 5 16:40:31 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Wed Aug 5 16:42:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman Message-ID: <78723.47800.qm@web96014.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Ok folks back on track... Have a little problem thats developed.The carousel on my wurlitzer 3400 rotates when switched to scan, but on select will release but not rotate ..Any ideas..?Kind Regards John From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Aug 5 17:43:27 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Aug 5 17:45:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman In-Reply-To: <78723.47800.qm@web96014.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <296555.64765.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, Not quite sure what you are attempting to say here--can you re-phrase it ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/5/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 4:40 PM Ok folks back on track... Have a little problem thats developed.The carousel on my wurlitzer 3400 rotates when switched to scan, but on select will release but not rotate ..Any ideas..?Kind Regards John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Wed Aug 5 18:07:50 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Aug 5 18:09:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman In-Reply-To: <78723.47800.qm@web96014.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <78723.47800.qm@web96014.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A7A2CE6.7040704@telus.net> John Wilson wrote: > Ok folks back on track... Have a little problem thats developed.The carousel on my wurlitzer 3400 rotates when switched to scan, but on select will release but not rotate ..Any ideas.. Kind Regards John > Hi John, Your Scan Control solenoid is not tripping. This is supposed to fire when a selection is made and is controlled by the wipers on the memory unit. Check the manual and follow the troubleshooting guide on the rather large foldout page that should be with your manual (I think they had that for the 3400). John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From y2kvette at verizon.net Wed Aug 5 18:11:47 2009 From: y2kvette at verizon.net (Steve Kline) Date: Wed Aug 5 18:13:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? References: <57E1E161C70B4CC5BCD75A94B522F375@CCOSPC> Message-ID: <00dc01ca1632$dee42530$0501a8c0@CaysLaptop> It's very clear that there are a lot of strong personality issues here. I'm still a newbie, but I gotta say...get over it and get back to the technical side of jukeboxes. Please! Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "CCOS" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? >I agree and disagree with several sides of this discussion. I too miss >Jackie but if I thought she was out of line I'd say so (in this posting, >probably not in a blurt at the time.) Several people on this list said >various things about MJ and it didn't kill me to read it or delete it at >the time. > > In my humble opinion, or as I see Ron say quite often IMHO, Jay is the > administrator of this list, and he allows us to get off topic now and > then, such as someone politely asking for help with a video game or > pinball, ..........or even discussion of how understanding spouses are of > members having more jukeboxes in their houses than furniture........etc. > > Is it not jukebox related for someone to discuss why they really like one > jukebox over another, or how their spouse tries to understand the passion? > That has bled over once or twice to Jackie's Corvair and nobody seemed to > mind. A few even chimed in about that. > > Here's a novel idea......I dunno.......it just hit me in a dream one > day........let Jay administrate the list. If you have a complaint, email > it to Jay and let the rest of us enjoy the camaraderie ? > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. > STE 18 > www.columbuscoinopshop.com > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706)507-2963 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin S." > To: ; ; > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:42 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? > > > > Hi Mel, I noticed you CC'd your post to Jackie just to let her know what a > great friend you are. I don't feel that my asking her to follow the rules > of the list as stated on the intro webpage was scolding. You are laying it > on pretty thick by saying she was personally attacked. It was simply poor > judgment to post about such a controversial topic to a public forum. She > always had a tendency to get WAY off topic. I think there are those that > miss her antics, but just as many that are glad the list is back to > business and no longer "dancin' out." Jackie, you have my personal apology > if you think it was wrong to remind you about the rules of the list. > Justin > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:38:35 -0400 > From: "Mel Knight" > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Where Is Jackie? > To: > Cc: etreble7 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey J.C. You hit the nail on the head. Jackie was personally attacked and > ridiculed because she > dared to post about the dead guy. She teaches music and has a passion for > all things music > which drives her desire for jukeboxes. She is a sweet person and a dear > friend of mine. > It was never her intention to fuel anyone's hatred, she was just sharing. > Some who post to the list > aimed their hatred for him squarely at her. Go look at the archives and > read for what it is, > you too will see how it all went down to the gutter. She was even scolded > for daring to post something personal / off topic, > however, I see examples of this daily on the list which is OK with me, we > are all in this together, we love the music and the jukes, > and as such have formed a sort of friendship over the net. Jackie has left > the list for now and no longer reads it. > I thought everyone deserved to know..... Read what you type before you hit > send, there are people on the receiving end....... > Jukeboxmel > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your vacation photos on your phone! > http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From y2kvette at verizon.net Wed Aug 5 18:24:11 2009 From: y2kvette at verizon.net (Steve Kline) Date: Wed Aug 5 18:25:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] the list, emails and OT References: <004601ca159d$ffaee060$6405a8c0@uwspjqh5ts4ftf> <8CBE3D95C018D67-16A4-272A@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> <000c01ca15c4$78ec3600$6405a8c0@uwspjqh5ts4ftf> Message-ID: <00f601ca1634$9b0f44a0$0501a8c0@CaysLaptop> Good idea. You get the Beacon of Reality award today! I am a member of a lot of forums, and it is really useful to find what I am looking for in my interest area. Also is great for finding info that has been discussed before. I vote yes (of course I don't have a clue of the cost to do this). Most forums sell advertising to help defray the cost. Newbie Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genron" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] the list, emails and OT HOW about making a forum instead of this mailing list? Has any older member from this list ever dropped this suggestion? I would like to know how many of the members would prefer this mailing list to change into a forum. That would be more easy to browse archived items and we could make several folders to talk about, for example to split the jukebox related and the music related items. How can i check how many members of this list would prefer to change to a forum instead of a mailinglist. I could make the forum and have it online for free but offcourse i am not going to start this job if any of you won't appreciate the suggestion or rather prefer it the way it is now. kind regards, Didier. ----- Original Message ----- From: rellis2007@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] the list, emails and OT I sure agree on this, at one time I stopped the juke box group because of all the spam it?brings with it. I sure think it should e set up like the Pinball group. not tha it is perfect, but it is a lot better then this group. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Genron To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2009 2:26 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] the list, emails and OT Just wanted to share a TIP that for some off you can be usefull in separating the list from youre private emails. I get the feeling from reading some of the OT posts a lot off members are not so happy to receive a lot of emails and the need to FILTER them out or delete them. Here's my way to keep track off the jukebox list and to have it separated from my other daily emails. 1.. I made a separate folder called "jukeboxlist" 2.. I made a message rule that has the emailadress from the jukeboxlist 3.. Once there's a email comming in from the list it get's separated automatically into that folder sometimes there's about 35 -50 a day into that folder. 4.. All my other "private" emails are just going into the usual "inbox" 5.. When i feel the need to "clean" that folder i just read the titles and "keep" the titles of my interest in that folder for example when it is related to one of my jukeboxes. All the others is just delete them from that folder. This is my way for keeping track of the list and i do not have them coming into all my private emails. It is also very usefull because if I get a problem with one of my jukeboxes i do not have to run trough the complete history of the jukeboxlist to find emails that are related to my jukes. I just go have a look into my special folder and i have all my related emails for use. SO: i am a member from 09/2007 and i have only 78 emails into this folder that i kept trough this years. I do not need to get to the history list to find my related emails again and the need to read some of the OT emails. At last, this is a tiny world and let's help each other instead of having discussions about who is the longest at the list or who is the best friend of someone else or who makes the most contributions.... keep it friendly to each other and let us enjoy the huge interest from a lot off people for our hobby. kind regards, Didier from Belgium. ps: if someone does not really good understand how to make the folder or the message rule, just ask me and i will try to help em out. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeffzurn at cox.net Wed Aug 5 18:58:41 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Wed Aug 5 19:00:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] the list, emails and OT References: <004601ca159d$ffaee060$6405a8c0@uwspjqh5ts4ftf><8CBE3D95C018D67-16A4-272A@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com><000c01ca15c4$78ec3600$6405a8c0@uwspjqh5ts4ftf> <00f601ca1634$9b0f44a0$0501a8c0@CaysLaptop> Message-ID: <001b01ca1639$6cab8f10$7cd73109@ZURNT60> well... I have a forum for jukeboxes. If you are interested in trying out the forum format email me off list and I will send you the link. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Kline" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] the list, emails and OT > Good idea. You get the Beacon of Reality award today! > I am a member of a lot of forums, and it is really useful to find what I > am looking for in my interest area. Also is great for finding info that > has been discussed before. > I vote yes (of course I don't have a clue of the cost to do this). Most > forums sell advertising to help defray the cost. > Newbie Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Genron" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:01 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] the list, emails and OT > > > HOW about making a forum instead of this mailing list? > Has any older member from this list ever dropped this suggestion? > I would like to know how many of the members would prefer this mailing > list to change into a forum. > That would be more easy to browse archived items and we could make several > folders to talk about, for example to split the jukebox related and the > music related items. > > How can i check how many members of this list would prefer to change to a > forum instead of a mailinglist. > > I could make the forum and have it online for free but offcourse i am not > going to start this job if any of you won't appreciate the suggestion or > rather prefer it the way it is now. > > kind regards, > Didier. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rellis2007@aol.com > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] the list, emails and OT > > > I sure agree on this, at one time I stopped the juke box group because of > all the spam it?brings with it. > I sure think it should e set up like the Pinball group. not tha it is > perfect, but it is a lot better then this group. > > doc ellis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Genron > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2009 2:26 am > Subject: [Jukebox-list] the list, emails and OT > > > > Just wanted to share a TIP that for some off you can be usefull in > separating > the list from youre private emails. > > I get the feeling from reading some of the OT posts a lot off members are > not so > happy to receive a lot of emails and the need to FILTER them out or > delete them. > > Here's my way to keep track off the jukebox list and to have it separated > from > my other daily emails. > > 1.. I made a separate folder called "jukeboxlist" > 2.. I made a message rule that has the emailadress from the jukeboxlist > 3.. Once there's a email comming in from the list it get's separated > automatically into that folder sometimes there's about 35 -50 a day into > that > folder. > 4.. All my other "private" emails are just going into the usual "inbox" > 5.. When i feel the need to "clean" that folder i just read the titles > and > "keep" the titles of my interest in that folder for example when it is > related > to one of my jukeboxes. All the others is just delete them from that > folder. > > This is my way for keeping track of the list and i do not have them > coming into > all my private emails. > > It is also very usefull because if I get a problem with one of my > jukeboxes i do > not have to run trough the complete history of the jukeboxlist to find > emails > that are related to my jukes. > I just go have a look into my special folder and i have all my related > emails > for use. > > SO: i am a member from 09/2007 and i have only 78 emails into this folder > that i > kept trough this years. > I do not need to get to the history list to find my related emails again > and the > need to read some of the OT emails. > > > At last, > this is a tiny world and let's help each other instead of having > discussions > about who is the longest at the list or who is the best friend of someone > else > or who makes the most contributions.... > keep it friendly to each other and let us enjoy the huge interest from a > lot off > people for our hobby. > > kind regards, > Didier from Belgium. > > ps: if someone does not really good understand how to make the folder or > the > message rule, just ask me and i > will try to help em out. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From goldenflash60 at aol.com Wed Aug 5 18:56:04 2009 From: goldenflash60 at aol.com (goldenflash60@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 5 19:04:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lay Jackie to rest!!!! Message-ID: <8CBE45030BB192D-13D0-FA5@mblk-d28.sysops.aol.com> i know that most people on this board are probably close friends and like to talk about alot of things but thats what personal emails are for.? i enjoy this site, but not when everyone starts getting off topic.? the name of this posting deals with jukeboxes, lets keep it that way. i know i can just delete them, but when i get 40-50 emails a day and most dont even deal with jukeboxes it gets kindof annoying.? someone please find this jackie's personal email address and talk to her in private!???? And maybe we could find an email for michael jackson and talk to him too! From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Wed Aug 5 19:12:46 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Wed Aug 5 19:14:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman In-Reply-To: <296555.64765.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <957165.44394.qm@web96005.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi, The juke goes thru the selection process without a hitch, the scan switch releases the carousel but the motor tends to either start to rotate or if u give the carousel a gentle push away it goes ... plays the selection and replaces the record again the carousel might turn or might just sit waiting for a helping hand... seems to have the odd stall when rotating then away it goes. Will lubricate the rollers on the carousel etc, but it seems to turn freely.regards John --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 12:43 PM John, Not quite sure what you are attempting to say here--can you re-phrase it ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/5/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 4:40 PM Ok folks back on track... Have a little problem thats developed.The carousel on my wurlitzer 3400 rotates when switched to scan, but on select will release but not rotate ..Any ideas..?Kind Regards John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Wed Aug 5 19:28:11 2009 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Wed Aug 5 19:29:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman Message-ID: <55A48797DB5C49AC87FC46F83BDBAB23@VistaServer> Hi John! Next to the carousel scan solenoid is a micro switch, that will usually cause this problem, sometimes giving it a whack will cause it to work temporarily! Jukeboxmel From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Aug 5 19:29:27 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Wed Aug 5 19:30:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where's Jackie Message-ID: <200908052229702.SM02200@[192.168.1.206]> I think I will be configuring my spam filter to catch any posts to the list that come from a certain individual who's first initial begins with the letter "J"... and it won't be Jackie's. I've read through the posts that started this whole thing. I apologize for telling the MJ joke. It was a moment of stupidity because while I hated the guy's personal life... I was, and still am, in love with his music. It seems to me that MUSIC is what started the entire thread. Another lame individual jumped on MJs politics and the entire thing got out of hand. 'Nuff said about that. I'm going to step up and say that I am deeply sorry if I offended any one with my joke. I, for one, welcomed Jackie's posts because they truly reflected an individual who was in love with the hobby for no gain other than pure enjoyment. She was about growing a collection, restoring/repairing the collection, sharing the collection with her family and friends, and posting the love for her growing collection on this list. THAT's what it's all about. She was on this list to LEARN...as we all are. You got a problem with that? Leave the list. You got a problem with her "cutesy quips?" Leave the list. I for one have no place for any flamers on this list. I'm here to learn about jukeboxes and to hopefully offer what little I know about the same. If something goes off topic a bit, so be it. Get over it. Do I sound pissed? I am. Is this off topic? Maybe. You going to flame me? I'd like to see you try. Because for every individual who sounds off at what he or she "thinks" is a catastrophic problem like being "off topic"...like Jackie supposedly always was according to you... there's four or five of the good ones who couldn't care less about the eccentricities we all have and realize that jukeboxes are what brings this community of ours together. You wouldn't have the guts to say any of those things to Jackie's face... but you sure did a good job of it on the list for all to see. Coward. Jay, I realize that this is going to be another of those threads that we have to end soon, but this is the first chance I've had to be near a computer... and seeing Mel's post while I was at work affected me greatly. I had to say something in support of Jackie...or ANY NEWBIE for that matter. Yeah... is that what's coming next?A newbie posts a question that certain individuals don't like. You going to flame him for it? You going to tell him to drop dead until he gets a manual and learns the "correct terms?" I wonder how many newbies who have joined in the past two weeks are now gone because of this stupid episode? Jackie...if you see this...crank that Trashcan of yours up to 11 so I can hear it from here. I'll be dancin' out with you. Mel... you tell her I said so. Aaron From dvachon at teksavvy.com Wed Aug 5 22:25:22 2009 From: dvachon at teksavvy.com (dvachon) Date: Wed Aug 5 22:32:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just an idea Message-ID: <6f13a467991aa0b2485ff46090bb2a6d@teksavvy.com> Hi, I have been on this list for a few years also. I rarely post but I look forward to reading the mail that is sent to the list everyday. I like the way it is set up now and hope it doesn't change. I like the individual emails. If someone gives a suggestion about how to correct a problem or maintain a juke or things to look for when buying a juke, I will print the email out and put it in a book. I have a book full of emails and occasionally look through it for reference or just great reading. Someone suggested that when advice is given, to post a follow up to let us know how it was corrected. I agree, and am also guilty in that department. I have a Seeburg 1000 that had no sound. Jay suggested that there were pins that would probably need to be jumpered to get sound. Jay, you were right! I took the amp to a pro and he did just that. Now I have sound. Thank you Jay for the suggestion! I hope this list last for many years to come. I have also learned a great deal and I thank everyone takes the time to help some of us less knowledgeable people. All the best, Doug From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Wed Aug 5 22:36:41 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Wed Aug 5 22:38:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Tester Message-ID: <834143.44411.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi team,Wanting to make up a test lamp for checking out my DS160 ... What rating and voltage lamp is used... In the manual it just says "Seeburg test lamp".. having problems with carriage doing the scan twice thing then stopping with out selecting.?Cheers John From pinball at telus.net Wed Aug 5 22:56:31 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Aug 5 22:58:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Tester In-Reply-To: <834143.44411.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <834143.44411.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A7A708F.4010202@telus.net> John Wilson wrote: > Hi team,Wanting to make up a test lamp for checking out my DS160 ... What rating and voltage lamp is used... In the manual it just says "Seeburg test lamp".. having problems with carriage doing the scan twice thing then stopping with out selecting. Cheers John > _______________________________________________ > The "Seeburg Test Lamp" is the same as those old Neon 115VAC circuit testers. Check out http://homerepair.about.com/od/termsaf/g/gloss_ckt_test.htm - for an example. That is what we use (not that brand, but that style) - these used to be available at Radio Shack etc. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From superior57 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 5 16:09:44 2009 From: superior57 at hotmail.com (2 Much Stuff) Date: Wed Aug 5 23:30:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Shipping Question Message-ID: Hello All, I have a jukebox that a guy is interested in buying, the only problem is... he's in Europe (France) and neither he nor I knows how to get it over there. I could build a crate for it if necessary but I would prefer not to as I do not have much spare time right now. Does anyone have the name of a company or any contact information to help me with this? Has anyone shipped a jukebox to Europe before? Thank you very much, LH _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From pinball at telus.net Thu Aug 6 00:00:50 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Aug 6 00:02:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Shipping Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A7A7FA2.7080806@telus.net> 2 Much Stuff wrote: > Hello All, > I have a jukebox that a guy is interested in buying, the only problem is... he's in Europe (France) and neither he nor I knows how to get it over there. I could build a crate for it if necessary but I would prefer not to as I do not have much spare time right now. Does anyone have the name of a company or any contact information to help me with this? Has anyone shipped a jukebox to Europe before? > > Thank you very much, LH > > Hi LH, We ship jukes etc to Europe on a periodic basis - so I can help you a bit. First try and find a carrier that deals in LCL items (Less than Container Load). Check with them if crating is required and what the requirements are for the crate. For example - items from Canada destined for Europe - if crated - must be done with certified wood (pest free) and this usually requires the services of a professional crating company. Expect to pay somewhere between $200 to $300US for the crate. Crating is best for Ocean transport, it would be foolish not to crate in fact! Air transport is also a possible option - in some cases it costs no more than if you crated and shipped via Ocean, and you may not need anything more robust than a certified pallet (check the regulations on pallet requirements to Europe), with the jukebox strapped and wrapped in heavy cardboard (several layers!). Crating is recommended for more expensive machines of course - the product of a professional crating company can remove a lot of worry and make it possible to insure the item for any freight damage claims. We always recommend crating... If you can find a Freight Forwarder in your city they can help you with the process, and the documentation required (export forms, commercial invoice, harmonized codes...) that is required for the customers Customs clearance in their home country. They may cost a little more than a freight company but are very useful when you do not know the ropes. You could ask someone like Panalpina if they will process your shipment - we use them and are very pleased with the results. I do not know if they will ship for private individuals though. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 6 00:58:11 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Thu Aug 6 00:59:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman In-Reply-To: <957165.44394.qm@web96005.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <774854.10343.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi John, I am not familiar with this particular machine, I could be wrong, but it would seem to me your problem lies with the motor itself. I would carefully take it apart and clean it. If it has carbon brushes, I would check them for wear. If you take them out, make sure they go back exactly the same way. If you rotate them by mistake, you will not get the correct contact as they will probably have already worn down and formed themselves to the shape of the commutator. Make sure the commutator is clean, take a needle, pin or sharp pointed item to clean between the sections if they appear dirty. Good luck, hope you get it fixed. Let us know how you get on. Gary --- On Thu, 6/8/09, John Wilson wrote: > From: John Wilson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 3:12 AM > Hi, The juke goes thru the selection > process without a hitch, the scan switch releases the > carousel but the motor tends to either start to rotate or if > u give the carousel a gentle push away it goes ... plays the > selection and replaces the record again the carousel might > turn or might just sit waiting for a helping hand... seems > to have the odd stall when rotating then away it goes. Will > lubricate the rollers on the carousel etc, but it seems to > turn freely.regards John > > > --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Ron Rich > wrote: > > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Received: Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 12:43 PM > > John, > Not quite sure what you are attempting to say here--can you > re-phrase it ?? Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 8/5/09, John Wilson > wrote: > > From: John Wilson > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 4:40 PM > > Ok folks back on track... Have a little problem thats > developed.The carousel on my wurlitzer 3400 rotates when > switched to scan, but on select will release but not rotate > ..Any ideas..?Kind Regards John > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 01:23:30 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 6 01:25:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman In-Reply-To: <957165.44394.qm@web96005.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <653028.86054.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, I may be all wet here, as it's been a long while since I (thankfully) have seen a 3400, but it seems that the motor is the "fly clutch, AC type" and that if it is not oiled, it tends to jam. Also, I think the basket is driven with an idler wheel, and it runs in my feeble mind that it can get "dirty" and "slip"--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/5/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 7:12 PM Hi, The juke goes thru the selection process without a hitch, the scan switch releases the carousel but the motor tends to either start to rotate or if u give the carousel a gentle push away it goes ... plays the selection and replaces the record again the carousel might turn or might just sit waiting for a helping hand... seems to have the odd stall when rotating then away it goes. Will lubricate the rollers on the carousel etc, but it seems to turn freely.regards John --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 12:43 PM John, Not quite sure what you are attempting to say here--can you re-phrase it ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/5/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 4:40 PM Ok folks back on track... Have a little problem thats developed.The carousel on my wurlitzer 3400 rotates when switched to scan, but on select will release but not rotate ..Any ideas..?Kind Regards John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 01:49:11 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 6 01:50:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Tester In-Reply-To: <834143.44411.qm@web96003.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <635300.66417.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, "Selected" NE51 in series with a 33k. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/5/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Tester To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 10:36 PM Hi team,Wanting to make up a test lamp for checking out my DS160 ... What rating and voltage lamp is used... In the manual it just says "Seeburg test lamp".. having problems with carriage doing the scan twice thing then stopping with out selecting.?Cheers John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 01:56:52 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 6 01:58:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Tester In-Reply-To: <4A7A708F.4010202@telus.net> Message-ID: <897635.56063.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The "store bought" units have a different value resistor, are not "selected", and may or may not give reliable readings. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/5/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Tester To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 10:56 PM John Wilson wrote: > Hi team,Wanting to make up a test lamp for checking out my DS160 ... What rating and voltage lamp is used... In the manual it just says "Seeburg test lamp".. having problems with carriage doing the scan twice thing then stopping with out selecting. Cheers John > _______________________________________________ >??? The "Seeburg Test Lamp" is the same as those old Neon 115VAC circuit testers. Check out http://homerepair.about.com/od/termsaf/g/gloss_ckt_test.htm - for an example. That is what we use (not that brand, but that style) - these used to be available at Radio Shack etc. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ddrak at comcast.net Thu Aug 6 03:34:39 2009 From: ddrak at comcast.net (d rakowski) Date: Thu Aug 6 03:44:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Tester References: <897635.56063.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006801ca1681$810c7530$6401a8c0@LENOVOF7E6566F> please remove me from your list ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Tester The "store bought" units have a different value resistor, are not "selected", and may or may not give reliable readings. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/5/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Tester To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 10:56 PM John Wilson wrote: > Hi team,Wanting to make up a test lamp for checking out my DS160 ... What > rating and voltage lamp is used... In the manual it just says "Seeburg > test lamp".. having problems with carriage doing the scan twice thing then > stopping with out selecting. Cheers John > _______________________________________________ > The "Seeburg Test Lamp" is the same as those old Neon 115VAC circuit testers. Check out http://homerepair.about.com/od/termsaf/g/gloss_ckt_test.htm - for an example. That is what we use (not that brand, but that style) - these used to be available at Radio Shack etc. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Aug 6 04:54:15 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Aug 6 04:56:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A helpful hint Message-ID: Good morning (depending where you live?) I thought I would share a helpful hint for those who are new to the list. For the last few years, I have been printing emails from others on the list that have been kind enough to give their advice and opinions on particular jukebox problems. I keep them in a binder, separated by Jukebox Manuf. and model. I cant tell you how many times I have flipped through my binder and found an answer to a problem! Seems there is always something in need of repair at my house and right now is no exception. Of course all of the Jukes act up at the same time! So here are the issues, Wurlitzer 2410 - first the selection buttons wouldn't release, so I cleaned the contacts up front (Ron, you know how I love that contact cleaner) Now the coins won't register? I have cleaned the contacts in the Credit Unit and still no credit? Also, I know I need a new Transfer Switch, I can barely keep it working from day to day. The Seeburg C is not canceling out the B Sides. This has been an on- going issue with this machine. About a year ago, Mel took out the B Plunger and cleaned it good and it has worked for a year....now it's sticking again. Ron I tried your paper clip trick and it works for a few plays and then sticks again. The Wurlitzer 1650...well I unplugged the machine from a power strip and one of the prongs came off the jukebox plug. That's an easy fix, just gotta find the time to get a new plug! The Trashcan, again this is an ongoing issue, it pulls out 2 or more trays. This is mostly on the high numbers, 15 - 20. I have played with that also, cycle and observe, cycle and observe (thanks Kyle!) but havent solved the issue yet.l The trashcan does have a head, but missing the side plastics and the top animation, that will come in time. So, I think I would be bored if all Jukes played flawlessly, lol, however we are celebrating our Son's Graduation from College in 2 weeks and it sure would be nice for these to be working! Thanks in advance for any thoughts, Jackie Dancin' Out oh, this is exciting...I found an original Seeburg Teardrop Speaker at a little Amish Flea Market. It was dirty and had a little chip off the backside, but other than that it looked great. I got it for a "song" and brought it home, cleaned it up and hooked it up to my Seeburg C. It sounds fantastic. I am sharing this because I was under the impression that "great" deals are hard to find these days. I am happy to report there are still some out there From rellis2007 at aol.com Thu Aug 6 05:04:53 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 6 05:06:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] case closed Message-ID: <8CBE4A53DAAC634-1490-1E67@webmail-mh28.sysops.aol.com> this is one thing I was talking about, lets keep this group about jJuke Box on that point. I was told by DENNY Victory Glass will? Close for vacation, this next Week. doc ellis From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Aug 6 05:15:01 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Aug 6 06:18:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] case closed In-Reply-To: <8CBE4A53DAAC634-1490-1E67@webmail-mh28.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBE4A53DAAC634-1490-1E67@webmail-mh28.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00EFE4FF-DA51-4F46-B574-CD005B0361E8@verizon.net> Thanks Doc, that's good to know, as I was going to order my side plastics and animation unit next paycheck.... I'll have to hold onto it for an extra week! Jackie Dancin' Out (well, sort of) On Aug 6, 2009, at 8:04 AM, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: > this is one thing I was talking about, lets keep this group about > jJuke Box on that point. > I was told by DENNY Victory Glass will? Close for vacation, this > next Week. > > doc ellis > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 07:38:46 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 6 07:40:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A helpful hint In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <691590.73080.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Jackie, Welcome back !! On the 2410-got a "Play-rac" on it--gotta fuse holder on the Play-rac--Check that there are no coins stuck on the coin switches, and replace that fuse with the correct size and type (8/10 sb I THINK--check it) On the B sides--Tell Mel I said to do a better job of cleaning !--or play more B sides !! Trashcan--don't know---guess-- an adjustment/lubrication issue-- 1650--don't even wanna know !!? 'cause I'm jealous about the teardrop speaker ! Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: [Jukebox-list] A helpful hint To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 4:54 AM Good morning (depending where you live?) I thought I would share a helpful hint for those who are new to the list. For the last few years, I have been printing emails from others on the list that have been kind enough to give their advice and opinions on particular jukebox problems. I keep them in a binder, separated by Jukebox Manuf. and model.? I cant tell you how many times I have flipped through my binder and found an answer to a problem!? Seems there is always something in need of repair at my house and right now is no exception. Of course all of the Jukes act up at the same time!? So here are the issues, Wurlitzer 2410 - first the selection buttons wouldn't release, so I cleaned the contacts up front (Ron, you know how I love that contact cleaner) Now the coins won't register?? I have cleaned the contacts in the Credit Unit and still no credit?? Also, I know I need a new Transfer Switch, I can barely keep it working from day to day. The Seeburg C is not canceling out the B Sides.? This has been an on-going issue with this machine.? About a year ago, Mel took out the B Plunger and cleaned it good and it has worked for a year....now it's sticking again.? Ron I tried your paper clip trick and it works for a few plays and then sticks again. The Wurlitzer 1650...well I unplugged the machine from a power strip and one of the prongs came off the jukebox plug.? That's an easy fix, just gotta find the time to get a new plug! The Trashcan, again this is an ongoing issue, it pulls out 2 or more trays.? This is mostly on the high numbers, 15 - 20.? I have played with that also, cycle and observe, cycle and observe (thanks Kyle!) but havent solved the issue yet.l? The trashcan does have a head, but missing the side plastics and the top animation, that will come in time. So, I think I would be bored if all Jukes played flawlessly, lol, however we are celebrating our Son's Graduation from College in 2 weeks and it sure would be nice for these to be working! Thanks in advance for any thoughts, Jackie Dancin' Out oh, this is exciting...I found an original Seeburg Teardrop Speaker at a little Amish Flea Market.? It was dirty and had a little chip off the backside, but other than that it looked great.? I got it for a "song" and brought it home, cleaned it up and hooked it up to my Seeburg C.? It sounds fantastic.? I am sharing this because I was under the impression that "great" deals are hard to find these days.? I am happy to report there are still some out there _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From s.cummings4738 at att.net Thu Aug 6 07:42:40 2009 From: s.cummings4738 at att.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Thu Aug 6 07:44:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speakers Message-ID: <674656944-1249569747-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1953453107-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Has anyone bought one of the repros available? Just wondering how they look and sound compared to the originals. There's a guy who's been selling a lot of them on eBay lately for $199. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 07:49:52 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 6 07:51:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speakers In-Reply-To: <674656944-1249569747-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1953453107-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <713190.87487.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I bought a couple ten or so years ago--still on location -- no problems-still look good. Don't know if the ones on eBay are made by the same person, as I got mine from VG. They are 8 ohm speakers--not "CV".? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speakers To: "Jukebox List" Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 7:42 AM Has anyone bought one of the repros available?? Just wondering how they look and sound compared to the originals. There's a guy who's been selling a lot of them on eBay lately for $199. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Thu Aug 6 08:33:33 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Thu Aug 6 08:35:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? Message-ID: Jackie and I speak regularly on the phone, even through my year long absence. On at least three occasions I can remember, packages have arrived for me from her. Jukebox related articles and knick knacks and such. Those who haven't befriended Jackie are missing out on a most dynamic and giving individual. Just how many women do you know who wrench on Corvairs and jukeboxes? We have a common ground here and should treat each other with the respect you'd treat any person or friend. While a little good natured kidding is fine, you have to remember that these written words lack inflection and can quickly turn hurtful. Once again, another reason to ditch this incredibly outdated e-mail based list and move to a message board, where an off topic section could be established, thus removing the need to read or reply to any topics you're not interested in. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 From rellis2007 at aol.com Thu Aug 6 08:54:35 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 6 09:03:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] such a stare Message-ID: <8CBE4C554AC0771-1358-68B@WEBMAIL-DY03.sysops.aol.com> I didn't mean to start such a buss here, it should be all about Juke box, I realize some imes other subjects come up, thats fine with Me, My biggest problem with this sight is it comes with all My other Email pluse added spam when I signed up for this group, I have been here before a year or so back, and stopped it because of all the added email and spam it brought with it. the main difference in the pinball group is You can post to the auther or to the group. and not so much wast of band space, nothing is perfect. but where is "John Smith" does nothing for repairing a juke box, of the vaule of it. I posted Victory Glass would be closed next week, guess every one knew that, as their was no responce to it. doc elis From jeffzurn at cox.net Thu Aug 6 09:44:54 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Thu Aug 6 09:46:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Tester References: <635300.66417.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601ca16b5$39f30540$7cd73109@ZURNT60> ummm... as in... 'NOT the cheap knock-offs'? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 1:49 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Tester John, "Selected" NE51 in series with a 33k. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/5/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Tester To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 10:36 PM Hi team,Wanting to make up a test lamp for checking out my DS160 ... What rating and voltage lamp is used... In the manual it just says "Seeburg test lamp".. having problems with carriage doing the scan twice thing then stopping with out selecting. Cheers John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From grahamricho at hotmail.com Thu Aug 6 09:50:05 2009 From: grahamricho at hotmail.com (graham) Date: Thu Aug 6 09:57:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay Message-ID: Just seen a teardrop restored speaker on eBay for $1850 ! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Restored-Seeburg-Teardrop-speaker_W0QQitemZ390078460449QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad27cf221&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 From jhayes2613 at aol.com Thu Aug 6 09:52:56 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 6 10:00:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBE4CD7B5991EA-3B4-730@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com> I made a snide Jackie remark a looong time ago on this list and have regretted it since. We've e-mailed a few times and I'll concur with Kyle... she is fun-loving, energetic and selfless. -----Original Message----- From: Mechanical Music of S.F. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:33 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Where Is Jackie? Jackie and I speak regularly on the phone, even through my year long absence. On at least three occasions I can remember, packages have arrived for me from her. Jukebox related articles and knick knacks and such. Those who haven't befriended Jackie are missing out on a most dynamic and giving individual. Just how many women do you know who wrench on Corvairs and jukeboxes? We have a common ground here and should treat each other with the respect you'd treat any person or friend. While a little good natured kidding is fine, you have to remember that these written words lack inflection and can quickly turn hurtful. Once again, another reason to ditch this incredibly outdated e-mail based list and move to a message board, where an off topic section could be established, thus removing the need to read or reply to any topics you're not interested in. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Central.electrical at ntlworld.com Thu Aug 6 10:21:08 2009 From: Central.electrical at ntlworld.com (Neil Makin @ Central Electrical) Date: Thu Aug 6 10:36:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Refinishing mech board on W 1015 In-Reply-To: References: <284000.3600.qm@web63206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <8CBE19908F70BB4-C80-5215@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001701ca16ba$4aa64820$dff2d860$@electrical@ntlworld.com> Hi Michael, If you have taken all the four bolts out, then you will need to take out the comb post, this is the post which the trays lock into when at rest. Then it should come off. The piece of wood usually stuck on the edges where the bolt go through because of the felt between the casting and wood. There is no need to remove the trays unless you want to. All the best Neil -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Dicecco, Michael Sent: 04 August 2009 16:36 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Refinishing mech board on W 1015 _______________________________________________ Hi everyone, I am in the process of restoring a Wurlitzer 1015, and had one quick question for the group. I want to remove the mechanism from the mech board so that I can properly refinish it. I can take all the bolts out of it, but the mech still won't come off. Is it necessary for me to remove the record stack first, in order to remove the whole mech from the board? If this is the case, is there anything special to taking the stack off? I assume I should just make note of the order of the trays and washers? Anything else? Thanks in advance everyone. Mike _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Thu Aug 6 11:00:51 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Thu Aug 6 11:08:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Veneering old Juke boxes! Message-ID: Does anyone know what amount of time might be required to remove old veneer from a 1940 Wurlitzer 700, apply new veneer and prepare the veneer (filling & sanding) for final spraying of varnish by others? I am looking for the number of hours required. A range of hours required would work as well. Thank you ..... Al From jay at west.net Thu Aug 6 11:15:35 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Aug 6 11:17:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Veneering old Juke boxes! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A7B1DC7.2@west.net> Alan Armstrong wrote: > Does anyone know what amount of time might be required to remove old veneer from a 1940 Wurlitzer 700, apply new veneer and prepare the veneer (filling & sanding) for final spraying of varnish by others? > > I am looking for the number of hours required. A range of hours required would work as well. I would say that this is hugely variable depending on the experience of the person doing the work, the tools at his disposal, and the amount of attention to detail put in to the job. We have an expression at my day job that sort of fits here. Good Fast Cheap Pick two. You can optimize any two of those variables but the third will be sub-optimal. The more you optimize the two, the worse the third gets. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Thu Aug 6 11:22:54 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Thu Aug 6 11:24:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Veneering old Juke boxes! Message-ID: Thank you for your reply. I am looking at a well experienced woodworker with all the tools etc. Am I looking at 15, 30 or 40 hours? Thank you for any light you may shed on this. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu Aug 06 14:15:35 2009 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Veneering old Juke boxes! Alan Armstrong wrote: > Does anyone know what amount of time might be required to remove old veneer from a 1940 Wurlitzer 700, apply new veneer and prepare the veneer (filling & sanding) for final spraying of varnish by others? > > I am looking for the number of hours required. A range of hours required would work as well. I would say that this is hugely variable depending on the experience of the person doing the work, the tools at his disposal, and the amount of attention to detail put in to the job. We have an expression at my day job that sort of fits here. Good Fast Cheap Pick two. You can optimize any two of those variables but the third will be sub-optimal. The more you optimize the two, the worse the third gets. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Thu Aug 6 11:34:54 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Aug 6 11:36:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Veneering old Juke boxes! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A7B224E.1010908@west.net> Alan Armstrong wrote: > Thank you for your reply. > > I am looking at a well experienced woodworker with all the tools etc. Am I looking at 15, 30 or 40 hours? Thank you for any light you may shed on this. I would ask the experienced woodworker. My estimate (and I'm not an experienced woodworker but have done some veneer work) would be on the lower end of the numbers you've listed, assuming that all the hardware has already been removed from the cabinet and not including the finish varnish or lacquer work. There is quite a bit bit of detail on front of the 700 which will take more time. Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Thu Aug 6 11:39:32 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Thu Aug 6 11:46:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Veneering old Juke boxes! Message-ID: Thank you for your reply. The machine is completely stripped. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu Aug 06 14:34:54 2009 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Veneering old Juke boxes! Alan Armstrong wrote: > Thank you for your reply. > > I am looking at a well experienced woodworker with all the tools etc. Am I looking at 15, 30 or 40 hours? Thank you for any light you may shed on this. I would ask the experienced woodworker. My estimate (and I'm not an experienced woodworker but have done some veneer work) would be on the lower end of the numbers you've listed, assuming that all the hardware has already been removed from the cabinet and not including the finish varnish or lacquer work. There is quite a bit bit of detail on front of the 700 which will take more time. Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From scott at steelhouseauctions.com Thu Aug 6 11:54:47 2009 From: scott at steelhouseauctions.com (Scott Plutchok) Date: Thu Aug 6 11:56:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] eBay item 140332498816 - Seeburg 222 Jukebox Side Glasses In-Reply-To: <001701ca16ba$4aa64820$dff2d860$@electrical@ntlworld.com> References: <284000.3600.qm@web63206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <8CBE19908F70BB4-C80-5215@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> <001701ca16ba$4aa64820$dff2d860$@electrical@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: Hello All, I have a buyer interested in these glasses. These glasses were found in my late father-in-laws ("Pops") estate. I'm not sure where they came from. There are several areas of the paint that will require filling in or touching up to restore. I'm a complete novice with these items as Pop enjoyed restoring jukeboxes as a hobby. These glasses are really beautiful and I thought someone would appreciate them. I've had these on eBay for months and this is the first nibble on them. I listed the two piece set for less than a front glass for a SS160. I mean these are huge, heavy glasses The buyer writes that he feels that shipping to him at $45.10 plus a handling charge of $20.00 additional is too much for a $149.00 sale. I don't understand that kind of thinking. I don't make anything on shipping charges. I responded as follows: "Thanks for your interest in these glasses. USPS will charge $45.10 to ship these glasses via Priority Mail from me to you. I've added Parcel Post as an additional shipping option. USPS will charge $38.41 for Parcel Post delivery. I offer Parcel Post as requested because USPS routes Parcel Post packages to their Jersey City facility. Shipments made through that facility can take over a week to process. I require 2-3 days for packaging these glasses and USPS will add an additional 2-3 days for Priority Mail and 5-7 days (or more) for Parcel Post. When I ship via Parcel Post, it is problematic for many reasons: the buyer expects faster delivery, increased damage and loss. Please note: I am shipping at cost. There is nothing I can do to adjust this expense. Also, I've added the cost of shipping insurance should these glasses be damaged in transit. This protects us both should the glasses arrive damaged. There is an extra $20 is for handling these huge, heavy, fragile glasses. When I say huge, they are close to four feet tall by two to three feet wide. They are quite heavy as they are made from thick glass. As you can imagine, they will NOT fit into just any box. The expense of bubble wrap, foam, the box(s) will actually be more than $20.00, never mind the time it will take to package them for safe transit. Frankly, when I am done with packaging, I'm certain that the shipping weight will be higher that what I've declared for eBays calculated shipping. The extra shipping expense I "eat" and don't charge buyers. These glasses were found in my late father-in-laws ("Pops") estate. I'm not sure where they came from. There are several areas of the paint that will require filling in or touching up to restore. The artwork is 100% original and factory produced. Please understand that the glasses are in need of minor work but are quite valuable as they are. They are NOT in perfect condition and require paint in areas where needed." I'm quite frustrated with this buyer and eBay in general. Any comments would be appreciated, including encouragement to not taking a hammer to these glasses and putting the remains on the curb... _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.? Get a free 90-day trial! http://www.windowsonecare.com/purchase/trial.aspx?sc_cid=wl_wlmail From jay at west.net Thu Aug 6 12:39:42 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Aug 6 12:41:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] eBay item 140332498816 - Seeburg 222 Jukebox Side Glasses In-Reply-To: References: <284000.3600.qm@web63206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <8CBE19908F70BB4-C80-5215@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> <001701ca16ba$4aa64820$dff2d860$@electrical@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <4A7B317E.6070102@west.net> Scott Plutchok wrote: > Hello All, > > The buyer writes that he feels that shipping to him at $45.10 plus a handling charge of $20.00 additional is too much for a $149.00 sale. I don't understand that kind of thinking. I don't make anything on shipping charges. There are two competing factors going on here. On the one hand, EBay fees are a percentage on the sale price but the fees don't apply to shipping. This results in a tendency for sellers to charge "shipping and handling" fees that are substantially more than the actual cost of the shipping. You will see the same thing on those late night TV commercials for Shamwow and the like. "We'll throw in a second item 'free', just pay shipping and handling." The "free" item goes in the same box, and the actual shipping charges for the whole package are a small fraction of the amount charged for "shipping and "handling". This tendency, especially for EBay auctions, causes buyers to be suspicious of all shipping charges, fearing that they're padded with extra profit for the seller. On the other hand, there are costs involved in packing materials, time to prepare, gas to go to the post office, etc. over and above the cost of the actual postage so in some cases "handling" fees might be warranted. My personal opinion is that in most cases "handling" is part of the cost of doing business and should be included in the price of the item. You don't see "handling" charges in brick-and-mortar stores for the cost of the electricity to run the cash register, labor to dust the shelves, etc. In this specific situation, you've quoted the actual postage costs plus what is in my opinion a very reasonable charge for the cost of materials to prepare some very fragile items for shipment. The cost of shipping an item is based on the weight, size, speed and distance - not the price paid. I would offer the buyer the option of local pickup at no charge or the option of arranging his own crating and shipping at his expense. For comparison, Victory Glass charges an additional $40 packing charge on either one or two of those glass parts. They do this for a living so their costs will be lower due to volume. In the future, consider raising the starting bid to include your costs of packaging and preparing the item for shipment (plus the EBay markup on it) and limit the shipping charge to the actual freight charge of the carrier. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From gibson510 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 6 12:43:41 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Thu Aug 6 12:46:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wallbox issue revisited Message-ID: A few months back I posted a request for help with connecting up a wallbox to an LPC-1 (seeburg). Following the wiring instructions in the manual didn't seem to help. I believe it was Ron who stated that the stepper in the juke was incompatible with the SCH-1 wallbox. Well the guy who owns the juke bought a used SC-1 wallbox from John Durfee and we wired it up and it sort of works. When you make a selection from the wallbox the juke mech scans and picks up a record but not the selected one. Also sometimes when you make a selection the mech doesn't move at all. This is my first wallbox adventure so my knowledge of them is quite limited to plain old common sense. Wait do I still have any of that left? Do these symptoms sound familiar or ring a bell with anyone who has played with wallboxes before? Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Aug 6 13:13:37 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Thu Aug 6 13:15:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay References: Message-ID: <226C8C851381486FAFD9E6160FC3AB3C@home1903> oh wow, mine doesn't look anything like that!! I think that's the large teardrop, mine is probably about half the size...that's a beauty! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "graham" To: Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay Just seen a teardrop restored speaker on eBay for $1850 ! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Restored-Seeburg-Teardrop-speaker_W0QQitemZ390078460449QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad27cf221&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 13:14:53 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Aug 6 13:16:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <735086.93300.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 8/6/09, graham wrote: > Just seen a teardrop restored speaker > on eBay for $1850 ! A-freakin'-mazing. I've got a few AMI speakers from the F and G era with the little brass-colored cone insert. I bet I could get $500 apiece for them if this thing sells for that price. The recession must be over! From jay at west.net Thu Aug 6 13:18:04 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Aug 6 13:19:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay In-Reply-To: <226C8C851381486FAFD9E6160FC3AB3C@home1903> References: <226C8C851381486FAFD9E6160FC3AB3C@home1903> Message-ID: <4A7B3A7C.3000003@west.net> etreble7 wrote: > oh wow, mine doesn't look anything like that!! I think that's the large > teardrop, mine is probably about half the size...that's a beauty! > Jackie Those are HUGE. They need to be very well anchored to the wall. That's a beautiful example as well. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From evergreener at juno.com Thu Aug 6 13:21:29 2009 From: evergreener at juno.com (evergreener@juno.com) Date: Thu Aug 6 13:24:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jackie Jukes and family Message-ID: <20090806.132129.5251.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Now I feel home again... Thanks to ALL who are here- we may fight like brothers and sisters, but at the end of the day, who else is going to help? Matthew Cummings Olympia Wa ____________________________________________________________ Workers Compensation Legal Advice. Click here http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsM48u9VhBw9ftADgx1dJKKkukvrq0Qw2IqL8vb31n3WejVuqjNow4/ From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Thu Aug 6 13:42:08 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Thu Aug 6 13:44:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Veneering old Juke boxes! References: Message-ID: I have veneered a few jukes, but not a W700. I did do a W750 once and found it very difficult to deal with the curve on the lower side panels. On this machine the substrate was not in good condition and the curve was distorted - this caused the problems. If the cabinet substrate is in good condition, the chosen veneer is available in wide leaves and everything goes well I would expect it to take about 15 - 20 hours. "Complications" could easily double the time!! Hope this helps, Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Armstrong" To: Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:00 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Veneering old Juke boxes! Does anyone know what amount of time might be required to remove old veneer from a 1940 Wurlitzer 700, apply new veneer and prepare the veneer (filling & sanding) for final spraying of varnish by others? I am looking for the number of hours required. A range of hours required would work as well. Thank you ..... Al -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.44/2283 - Release Date: 08/05/09 05:57:00 From berrycbell at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 14:42:10 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Thu Aug 6 14:44:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay In-Reply-To: <735086.93300.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <735086.93300.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The Large Seeburg Teardrops can sell anywhere from $1000 to $2000 in perfect original condition or perfectly restored condition. It probably won't sell for that, but is probably within range with you. Berry On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM, David Breneman wrote: > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, graham wrote: > > > Just seen a teardrop restored speaker > > on eBay for $1850 ! > > A-freakin'-mazing. I've got a few AMI speakers from > the F and G era with the little brass-colored cone > insert. I bet I could get $500 apiece for them if > this thing sells for that price. The recession must > be over! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Aug 6 15:33:36 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Thu Aug 6 16:37:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] eBay item 140332498816 - Seeburg 222 Jukebox Side Glasses In-Reply-To: References: <284000.3600.qm@web63206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <8CBE19908F70BB4-C80-5215@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> <001701ca16ba$4aa64820$dff2d860$@electrical@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <4DD57D95-D3A3-47D3-83D3-D838550157C6@verizon.net> Hi Scott, if you have the dome glass for the Wurlitzer 1650 please email me off list, many thanks Jackie On Aug 6, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Scott Plutchok wrote: > > Hello All, > > I have a buyer interested in these glasses. These glasses were found > in my late father-in-laws ("Pops") estate. I'm not sure where they > came from. There are several areas of the paint that will require > filling in or touching up to restore. > > I'm a complete novice with these items as Pop enjoyed restoring > jukeboxes as a hobby. These glasses are really beautiful and I > thought someone would appreciate them. > > I've had these on eBay for months and this is the first nibble on > them. I listed the two piece set for less than a front glass for a > SS160. I mean these are huge, heavy glasses > > The buyer writes that he feels that shipping to him at $45.10 plus a > handling charge of $20.00 additional is too much for a $149.00 sale. > I don't understand that kind of thinking. I don't make anything on > shipping charges. > > I responded as follows: > > "Thanks for your interest in these glasses. USPS will charge $45.10 > to ship these glasses via Priority Mail from me to you. I've added > Parcel Post as an additional shipping option. USPS will charge > $38.41 for Parcel Post delivery. I offer Parcel Post as requested > because USPS routes Parcel Post packages to their Jersey City > facility. Shipments made through that facility can take over a week > to process. I require 2-3 days for packaging these glasses and USPS > will add an additional 2-3 days for Priority Mail and 5-7 days (or > more) for Parcel Post. When I ship via Parcel Post, it is > problematic for many reasons: the buyer expects faster delivery, > increased damage and loss. Please note: I am shipping at cost. There > is nothing I can do to adjust this expense. Also, I've added the > cost of shipping insurance should these glasses be > damaged in transit. This protects us both should the glasses arrive > damaged. > > There is an extra $20 is for handling these huge, heavy, fragile > glasses. When I say huge, they are close to four feet tall by two to > three feet wide. They are quite heavy as they are made from thick > glass. As you can imagine, they will NOT fit into just any box. The > expense of bubble wrap, foam, the box(s) will actually be more than > $20.00, never mind the time it will take to package them for safe > transit. Frankly, when I am done with packaging, I'm certain that > the shipping weight will be higher that what I've declared for eBays > calculated shipping. The extra shipping expense I "eat" and don't > charge buyers. > > These glasses were found in my late father-in-laws ("Pops") estate. > I'm not sure where they came from. There are several areas of the > paint that will require filling in or touching up to restore. The > artwork is 100% original and factory produced. Please understand > that the glasses are in need of minor work but are quite valuable as > they are. They are NOT in perfect condition and require paint in > areas where needed." > > I'm quite frustrated with this buyer and eBay in general. > > Any comments would be appreciated, including encouragement to not > taking a hammer to these glasses and putting the remains on the > curb... > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day > trial! > http://www.windowsonecare.com/purchase/trial.aspx?sc_cid=wl_wlmail_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From johntrav at windstream.net Thu Aug 6 16:43:11 2009 From: johntrav at windstream.net (John Travelletti) Date: Thu Aug 6 16:57:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-80 problem Message-ID: <5FB145BFA4CC4FCE87021B4FF3F38C44@JOHNTRAV> My R-80 has developed a problem. When I make a selection, the search unit hits the correct pin and the carousel starts to scan. It skips right over the pin,makes one complete revolution, and stops. If several selections are made, it jumps all the pins and stops after one revolution. This will happen on any and all selections. I've been playing with it for quite awhile and have done the following: 1. Checked and adjusted the stop switch assembly per the manual instructions. The problem remained, so I replaced the assembly several times with no success. 2. Although I couldn't see a connection since it was selecting correctly, I cleaned, checked, and adjusted the search unit per spec with the same result. I checked diodes and caps and all seem within limits. 3. Finally, in desperation, I replaced the entire 1100 mech assembly. Samo samo. This told me the problem was not in the mech, search unit, or stop switch assembly, but somewhere in the cabinet. 4. To be sure I'd covered all the bases, I dismantled the selector, checked it wire by wire including the relays and contacts. 5. Also replaced the power supply on the advice it could be weak but not yet failed. This model used a different credit unit from earlier and later Rowe jukes. It's called a "CMOS Credit computer" p/n 601-07593, and I'm wondering if it might be causing my problem. Has anyone on the list had any experience with this credit unit, or could offer any suggestions? I've about run out of ideas. I'm well experienced with Rowe 70's jukes and was a Rowe field service engineer when they were built. Glad I didn't have this problem as a field call. As always, any help is most appreciated. John Travelletti From oldjukes at hotmail.com Thu Aug 6 18:36:06 2009 From: oldjukes at hotmail.com (Hans Minderman) Date: Thu Aug 6 18:45:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chicago Coin's Hit Parade Parts Message-ID: Hi All, I'm in the process of restoring a Chicago Coin Hit Parade and I'm looking for parts. Specifically the torsion springs to the credit units, the inside decorative side panels and the marquee that sits on top. Does anyone have a parts jukebox that has these parts? Thanks, Hans _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From y2kvette at verizon.net Thu Aug 6 18:56:35 2009 From: y2kvette at verizon.net (Steve Kline) Date: Thu Aug 6 18:58:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jackie Jukes and family References: <20090806.132129.5251.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <002c01ca1702$4bd98340$0501a8c0@CaysLaptop> Are we through with Jackie, yet? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:21 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jackie Jukes and family Now I feel home again... Thanks to ALL who are here- we may fight like brothers and sisters, but at the end of the day, who else is going to help? Matthew Cummings Olympia Wa ____________________________________________________________ Workers Compensation Legal Advice. Click here http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsM48u9VhBw9ftADgx1dJKKkukvrq0Qw2IqL8vb31n3WejVuqjNow4/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Thu Aug 6 19:08:49 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Thu Aug 6 19:10:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jackie Jukes and family Message-ID: Ya wanna bring the subject back up?? From scott at steelhouseauctions.com Thu Aug 6 19:25:01 2009 From: scott at steelhouseauctions.com (Scott Plutchok) Date: Thu Aug 6 19:26:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] eBay item 140332498816 - Seeburg 222 Jukebox Side Glasses In-Reply-To: <4A7B317E.6070102@west.net> References: <284000.3600.qm@web63206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <8CBE19908F70BB4-C80-5215@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> <001701ca16ba$4aa64820$dff2d860$@electrical@ntlworld.com> <4A7B317E.6070102@west.net> Message-ID: > On the other hand, there are costs involved in packing materials, time > to prepare, gas to go to the post office, etc. over and above the cost > of the actual postage so in some cases "handling" fees might be > warranted. My personal opinion is that in most cases "handling" is part > of the cost of doing business and should be included in the price of the > item. You don't see "handling" charges in brick-and-mortar stores for > the cost of the electricity to run the cash register, labor to dust the > shelves, etc. Brick and mortar stores do charge more than they need to to cover expenses such as shoplifting, theft, etc. did prices rise when gas was $4-5 a gal. Of course! BTW when are they going down? > In this specific situation, you've quoted the actual postage costs plus > what is in my opinion a very reasonable charge for the cost of materials > to prepare some very fragile items for shipment. The cost of shipping > an item is based on the weight, size, speed and distance - not the price > paid. I appreciate the above comment. I intuitively knew that I was charging a reasonable charge. > I would offer the buyer the option of local pickup at no charge or the > option of arranging his own crating and shipping at his expense. The buyer is in Florida and I think if I were to reply with these comments it may be construed as offensive. I personally don't feel it would be but one never knows. > For comparison, Victory Glass charges an additional $40 packing charge > on either one or two of those glass parts. They do this for a living so > their costs will be lower due to volume. I didn't know that. I appreciate this information very much. > In the future, consider raising the starting bid to include your costs > of packaging and preparing the item for shipment (plus the EBay markup > on it) and limit the shipping charge to the actual freight charge of the > carrier. 90% of my items ship in USPS provided boxes. I do not add handling of any kind for items that fit in those containers. On these items I charge the actual freight charge of the carrier. If an item doesn't fit in one I try to find a suitable box from a nearby store. If I find one they also ship at carrier cost. Occasionally, I need to buy a box from Home Depot, Staples, UPS, etc. These boxes are NOT cheap. They can start at $9.99 and can go ridiculously high. Usually, these items go overseas and buyers accept the added costs. In all cases the cost for packing the item, i.e. peanuts, foam, air pillows, packing paper, bubble wrap, etc. I purchase out of the sale of the item. Bubble wrap and packing paper are wicked expensive and take lots of space. Frankly, US buyers are a strange lot. Like this buyer. As compared to Victory Glass I can't understand this guy. Like many sellers I'm extremely frustrated with eBay... _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.? Get a free 90-day trial! http://www.windowsonecare.com/purchase/trial.aspx?sc_cid=wl_wlmail From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 19:58:33 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 6 20:00:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <686621.88609.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> This is one time that I have to agree with Lloyd--price is not too high, yet--I have seen them sell for MUCH more! (guess that;s why I do not own any ? ) Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/6/09, graham wrote: From: graham Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 9:50 AM Just seen a teardrop restored speaker on eBay for $1850 ! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Restored-Seeburg-Teardrop-speaker_W0QQitemZ390078460449QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad27cf221&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edbap at aol.com Thu Aug 6 20:32:23 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 6 20:34:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay In-Reply-To: <686621.88609.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBE526CFC4F9F0-131C-234@webmail-db20.sysops.aol.com> I think it also is within the correct price range. I think a lot of these have hit the ground, and broke into a hundred pieces, they are HEAVY !?? I had a very nice one years ago and also ebayed it, for near this price.?? After you see one live and up close, you no longer want the little ones.... -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:58 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay This is one time that I have to agree with Lloyd--price is not too high, yet--I have seen them sell for MUCH more! (guess that;s why I do not own any ? ) Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/6/09, graham wrote: From: graham Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 9:50 AM Just seen a teardrop restored speaker on eBay for $1850 ! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Restored-Seeburg-Teardrop-speaker_W0QQitemZ390078460449QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad27cf221&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 20:48:27 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 6 20:50:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wallbox issue revisited In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <897043.78283.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, Do you have either service manual for the consolettes ? Either type should select OK with that phonograph. The LPC, can not operate a SCH audio circuit. Which model/code stepper are you using? Has it been "gone thru" ?? How have you hooked it up--using 3 wires or 10 wires ?? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/6/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] wallbox issue revisited To: "jukebox list" Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 12:43 PM A few months back I posted a request for help with connecting up a wallbox to an LPC-1 (seeburg). Following the wiring instructions in the manual didn't seem to help. I believe it was Ron who stated that the stepper in the juke was incompatible with the SCH-1 wallbox. Well the guy who owns the juke bought a used SC-1 wallbox from John Durfee and we wired it up and it sort of works. When you make a selection from the wallbox the juke mech scans and picks up a record but not the selected one. Also sometimes when you make a selection the mech doesn't move at all. This is my first wallbox adventure so my knowledge of them is quite limited to plain old common sense. Wait do I still have any of that left?? Do these symptoms sound familiar or ring a bell with anyone who has played with wallboxes before? Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 21:10:38 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 6 21:12:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-80 problem In-Reply-To: <5FB145BFA4CC4FCE87021B4FF3F38C44@JOHNTRAV> Message-ID: <765764.35861.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, Seeing as the pin is "pulled", that would eliminate the power supply, and pricing unit from consideration--been a long time since I saw one of those, and I don't have a manual, but I think the "stopping switch" is supposed to energize the sprag relay ( and left, or right side play coil), thus detenting the mechanism and starting the gripper motor--which I THINK goes thru the service switch--- Hope that helps-- Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/6/09, John Travelletti wrote: From: John Travelletti Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-80 problem To: "jukebox-list" Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 4:43 PM My R-80 has developed a problem. When I make a selection, the search unit hits the correct pin and the carousel starts to scan. It skips right over the pin,makes one complete revolution, and stops. If several selections are made, it jumps all the pins and stops after one revolution. This will happen on any and all selections. I've been playing with it for quite awhile and have done the following: 1. Checked and adjusted the stop switch assembly per the manual instructions. The problem remained, so I replaced the assembly several times with no success. 2. Although I couldn't see a connection since it was selecting correctly, I cleaned, checked, and adjusted the search unit? per spec with the same result. I checked diodes and caps and all seem within limits. 3. Finally, in desperation, I replaced the entire 1100 mech assembly. Samo samo. This told me the problem was not in the mech, search unit, or stop switch assembly, but somewhere in the cabinet. 4. To be sure I'd covered all the bases, I dismantled the selector, checked it wire by wire including the relays and contacts. 5. Also replaced the power supply on the advice it could be weak but not yet failed. This model used a different credit unit from earlier and later Rowe jukes. It's called a "CMOS Credit computer" p/n 601-07593, and I'm wondering if it might be causing my problem. Has anyone on the list had any experience with this credit unit, or could offer any suggestions? I've about run out of ideas. I'm well experienced with Rowe 70's jukes and was a Rowe field service engineer when they were built. Glad I didn't have this problem as a field call. As always, any help is most appreciated. John Travelletti _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Thu Aug 6 21:20:57 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Aug 6 21:22:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] eBay item 140332498816 - Seeburg 222 Jukebox Side Glasses In-Reply-To: References: <284000.3600.qm@web63206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <8CBE19908F70BB4-C80-5215@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> <001701ca16ba$4aa64820$dff2d860$@electrical@ntlworld.com> <4A7B317E.6070102@west.net> Message-ID: <4A7BABA9.4080800@west.net> Scott Plutchok wrote: > > > > On the other hand, there are costs involved in packing materials, time >> to prepare, gas to go to the post office, etc. over and above the cost >> of the actual postage so in some cases "handling" fees might be >> warranted. My personal opinion is that in most cases "handling" is part >> of the cost of doing business and should be included in the price of the >> item. You don't see "handling" charges in brick-and-mortar stores for >> the cost of the electricity to run the cash register, labor to dust the >> shelves, etc. > > Brick and mortar stores do charge more than they need to to cover expenses such as shoplifting, theft, etc. did prices rise when gas was $4-5 a gal. Of course! BTW when are they going down? Of course they do. My point is that they roll these costs into the sticker price of the item as opposed to an added "handling" charge as often seen with mail-order sellers. >> In this specific situation, you've quoted the actual postage costs plus >> what is in my opinion a very reasonable charge for the cost of materials >> to prepare some very fragile items for shipment. The cost of shipping >> an item is based on the weight, size, speed and distance - not the price >> paid. > > I appreciate the above comment. I intuitively knew that I was charging a reasonable charge. In my opinion VERY reasonable considering the labor and materials needed to ensure that these pieces arrive intact. >> I would offer the buyer the option of local pickup at no charge or the >> option of arranging his own crating and shipping at his expense. > > The buyer is in Florida and I think if I were to reply with these comments it may be construed as offensive. I personally don't feel it would be but one never knows. Perhaps, perhaps not. The prospective buyer is insinuating that your shipping and packing charges are unreasonable. Challenging him to do better shouldn't be construed as an insult. I'd word it, "Hey, I don't have a lot of experience with packing and shipping this type of thing. If you think you can arrange packing and shipping cheaper you're welcome to do so, at your own risk of course." -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pinball at telus.net Thu Aug 6 21:48:35 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Aug 6 21:50:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Tester In-Reply-To: <000601ca16b5$39f30540$7cd73109@ZURNT60> References: <635300.66417.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <000601ca16b5$39f30540$7cd73109@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <4A7BB223.5030303@telus.net> Jeff Zurn wrote: > ummm... as in... 'NOT the cheap knock-offs'? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" > ... > > John, > "Selected" NE51 in series with a 33k. Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 8/5/09, John Wilson wrote: > > From: John Wilson > ... > > Hi team,Wanting to make up a test lamp for checking out my DS160 ... > What rating and voltage lamp is used... In the manual it just says > "Seeburg test lamp".. having problems with carriage doing the scan > twice thing then stopping with out selecting. Cheers John Ron and I have talked it over and we conclude that the Seeburg Test Lamp is an NE-2 neon tube with a 33K resistor in series that is selected to glow at a minimum of 60VDC on one leg. These look like the simple glow testers you can pick up at many hardware stores. Most NE-2s will glow anywhere from 80 - 110V, so the 60VDC selected NE-2s are rarer - we have no idea how many you have to go through to find 60V devices... Hope this helps someone in finding a good replacement for the Seeburg Test Lamp. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Thu Aug 6 22:32:23 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Thu Aug 6 22:33:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. Message-ID: For those of you not familiar with message boards, I set up a sample one that could be implemented. I ask only that you suspend your inhibitions for a couple minute and take a look. I set this up in very little time. I know people hate change, but the old fashioned e-mail list was created before better technology came along. It's outdated and time consuming to use. This is just an example. The forums, colors, features, and layout can be altered. There's a sample post in the AMI/Rowe forum. No tedious reattachments, or having to open stuff individually. You see the original post, then all replies. I spend a lot of time administrating a very busy board every day (100 to 200 post per day, busier than The Rolling Stone's message board) and one reason I have stopped frequenting this list is that it's MUCH, MUCH more time consuming to go through. I'd be happy to turn the keys over to Jay if he likes it. With a message board, you can post links and photos and never have to search for replies to the original post on something, AND, you can immediately ignore any topic that doesn't interest you. You can also set up a profile making it incredibly easy for people to contact you and look up information about you and your jukeboxes, your location - anything helpful. Just take a look. The sample post I had to answer myself, but you'll get the idea. It takes no longer to sign into a message board than it does your e-mail. http://excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=24539 Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From genron at telenet.be Thu Aug 6 22:52:35 2009 From: genron at telenet.be (Genron) Date: Thu Aug 6 22:54:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay References: <226C8C851381486FAFD9E6160FC3AB3C@home1903> Message-ID: <003101ca1723$43e0f170$6405a8c0@uwspjqh5ts4ftf> I wonder why they never made these in reproductions, they have the small ones in reproductions so why not the big ones. Maybe the price would be a lot higher and it would not sell I guess. Anyone ever seen these in repro? Didier. ----- Original Message ----- From: etreble7 To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay oh wow, mine doesn't look anything like that!! I think that's the large teardrop, mine is probably about half the size...that's a beauty! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "graham" To: Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay Just seen a teardrop restored speaker on eBay for $1850 ! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Restored-Seeburg-Teardrop-speaker_W0QQitemZ390078460449QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad27cf221&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From genron at telenet.be Thu Aug 6 22:59:51 2009 From: genron at telenet.be (Genron) Date: Thu Aug 6 23:01:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. References: Message-ID: <004d01ca1724$47645660$6405a8c0@uwspjqh5ts4ftf> Kyle, that's what i talked about in my former email. I had a look at it and it's exactly what we need here but as you mention also I feel that a lot off members here do not want to change.... This is why some off the folks still work with WINDOWS95 .... pretty amazing but they excist. kind regards, Didier. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mechanical Music of S.F. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 7:32 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. For those of you not familiar with message boards, I set up a sample one that could be implemented. I ask only that you suspend your inhibitions for a couple minute and take a look. I set this up in very little time. I know people hate change, but the old fashioned e-mail list was created before better technology came along. It's outdated and time consuming to use. This is just an example. The forums, colors, features, and layout can be altered. There's a sample post in the AMI/Rowe forum. No tedious reattachments, or having to open stuff individually. You see the original post, then all replies. I spend a lot of time administrating a very busy board every day (100 to 200 post per day, busier than The Rolling Stone's message board) and one reason I have stopped frequenting this list is that it's MUCH, MUCH more time consuming to go through. I'd be happy to turn the keys over to Jay if he likes it. With a message board, you can post links and photos and never have to search for replies to the original post on something, AND, you can immediately ignore any topic that doesn't interest you. You can also set up a profile making it incredibly easy for people to contact you and look up information about you and your jukeboxes, your location - anything helpful. Just take a look. The sample post I had to answer myself, but you'll get the idea. It takes no longer to sign into a message board than it does your e-mail. http://excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=24539 Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Thu Aug 6 23:34:11 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Aug 6 23:35:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A7BCAE3.2060407@telus.net> Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > For those of you not familiar with message boards, I set up a sample one that could be implemented. > > I ask only that you suspend your inhibitions for a couple minute and take a look. > I set this up in very little time. I know people hate change, but the old fashioned e-mail list was created before better technology came along. It's outdated and time consuming to use. > This is just an example. The forums, colors, features, and layout can be altered. > > There's a sample post in the AMI/Rowe forum. No tedious reattachments, or having to open stuff individually. > You see the original post, then all replies. I spend a lot of time administrating a very busy board every day (100 to 200 post per day, busier than The Rolling Stone's message board) and one reason I have stopped frequenting this list is that it's MUCH, MUCH more time consuming to go through. > I'd be happy to turn the keys over to Jay if he likes it. > > With a message board, you can post links and photos and never have to search for replies to the original post on something, AND, you can immediately ignore any topic that doesn't interest you. > You can also set up a profile making it incredibly easy for people to contact you and look up information about you and your jukeboxes, your location - anything helpful. > > Just take a look. The sample post I had to answer myself, but you'll get the idea. > It takes no longer to sign into a message board than it does your e-mail. > > http://excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=24539 > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > Hi Kyle, Message boards have been around as long as there has been computer to computer communications. In the old days they were called BBSes (Bulletin Board Service) - a moderator (I was one for a few years) would set up a BBS in their home city and people would log on to post and see messages. This was back in the 80s and up to the mid 90s - then email and the Internet took over. Personally I greatly prefer mail lists because the messages automatically come to me! I do not have to log on, read over the lists, then log off and log on to the next service. That gets pretty tiresome in a short time. My mail lists all go to their respective mail boxes and all are handled by my email program (Eudora) along with my newsgroups access, read up on "Filtering" on your email program - works a treat! As an example for this jukebox list I simply route any message with "[Jukebox-list]" in the subject line to my JukeboxMailList box... Just for a chuckle I subscribe to (let me count...) at least 12 mail lists and also I follow 11 newsgroups via Eudora. I can review all the messages in just a few minutes... So, as one person that is both a poster and a reader of mail lists, I would be unlikely to go to site specific forums just because it takes longer to do that then to simply glance at the mail list inboxes on my email program. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From edbap at aol.com Thu Aug 6 23:51:14 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 6 23:53:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay In-Reply-To: <003101ca1723$43e0f170$6405a8c0@uwspjqh5ts4ftf> References: <226C8C851381486FAFD9E6160FC3AB3C@home1903> <003101ca1723$43e0f170$6405a8c0@uwspjqh5ts4ftf> Message-ID: <8CBE542972A1A00-131C-568@webmail-db20.sysops.aol.com> they are also a BEAR to ship.? I thought my wife bought a dishwasher when the box showed up.... -----Original Message----- From: Genron To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:52 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay I wonder why they never made these in reproductions, they have the small ones in reproductions so why not the big ones. Maybe the price would be a lot higher and it would not sell I guess. Anyone ever seen these in repro? Didier. ----- Original Message ----- From: etreble7 To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay oh wow, mine doesn't look anything like that!! I think that's the large teardrop, mine is probably about half the size...that's a beauty! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "graham" To: Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay Just seen a teardrop restored speaker on eBay for $1850 ! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Restored-Seeburg-Teardrop-speaker_W0QQitemZ390078460449QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad27cf221&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rellis2007 at aol.com Fri Aug 7 04:47:20 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Fri Aug 7 04:54:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. In-Reply-To: <4A7BCAE3.2060407@telus.net> References: <4A7BCAE3.2060407@telus.net> Message-ID: <8CBE56BF4A2EC3D-FE8-232B@WEBMAIL-MY02.sysops.aol.com> Sound like a step in the right direction doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: John Robertson To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 1:34 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote:? > For those of you not familiar with message boards, I set up a sample one that could be implemented.? >? > I ask only that you suspend your inhibitions for a couple minute and take a look. > I set this up in very little time. I know people hate change, but the old fashioned e-mail list was created before better technology came along. It's outdated and time consuming to use.? > This is just an example. The forums, colors, features, and layout can be altered.? >? > There's a sample post in the AMI/Rowe forum. No tedious reattachments, or having to open stuff individually. > You see the original post, then all replies. I spend a lot of time administrating a very busy board every day (100 to 200 post per day, busier than The Rolling Stone's message board) and one reason I have stopped frequenting this list is that it's MUCH, MUCH more time consuming to go through. > I'd be happy to turn the keys over to Jay if he likes it.? >? > With a message board, you can post links and photos and never have to search for replies to the original post on something, AND, you can immediately ignore any topic that doesn't interest you. > You can also set up a profile making it incredibly easy for people to contact you and look up information about you and your jukeboxes, your location - anything helpful.? >? > Just take a look. The sample post I had to answer myself, but you'll get the idea. > It takes no longer to sign into a message board than it does your e-mail.? >? > http://excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=24539? >? > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco? > Hi Kyle,? ? Message boards have been around as long as there has been computer to computer communications. In the old days they were called BBSes (Bulletin Board Service) - a moderator (I was one for a few years) would set up a BBS in their home city and people would log on to post and see messages. This was back in the 80s and up to the mid 90s - then email and the Internet took over.? ? Personally I greatly prefer mail lists because the messages automatically come to me! I do not have to log on, read over the lists, then log off and log on to the next service. That gets pretty tiresome in a short time. My mail lists all go to their respective mail boxes and all are handled by my email program (Eudora) along with my newsgroups access, read up on "Filtering" on your email program - works a treat! As an example for this jukebox list I simply route any message with "[Jukebox-list]" in the subject line to my JukeboxMailList box...? ? Just for a chuckle I subscribe to (let me count...) at least 12 mail lists and also I follow 11 newsgroups via Eudora. I can review all the messages in just a few minutes...? ? So, as one person that is both a poster and a reader of mail lists, I would be unlikely to go to site specific forums just because it takes longer to do that then to simply glance at the mail list inboxes on my email program.? ? John :-#)#? ? -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames)? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"? ? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From rellis2007 at aol.com Fri Aug 7 04:53:52 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Fri Aug 7 04:55:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jackie Jukes and family In-Reply-To: <002c01ca1702$4bd98340$0501a8c0@CaysLaptop> References: <20090806.132129.5251.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <002c01ca1702$4bd98340$0501a8c0@CaysLaptop> Message-ID: <8CBE56CDE241533-FE8-234E@WEBMAIL-MY02.sysops.aol.com> i ou mean the post " wheres Jackie" I hope so! doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Steve Kline To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:56 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jackie Jukes and family Are we through with Jackie, yet?? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: ? To: ? Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:21 PM? Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jackie Jukes and family? ? Now I feel home again...? Thanks to ALL who are here- we may fight like brothers and sisters, but at the end of the day, who else is going to help?? ? Matthew Cummings? Olympia Wa? ? ____________________________________________________________? Workers Compensation Legal Advice. Click here? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsM48u9VhBw9ftADgx1dJKKkukvrq0Qw2IqL8vb31n3WejVuqjNow4/? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? ? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From edbap at aol.com Fri Aug 7 05:44:24 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Fri Aug 7 05:46:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. In-Reply-To: <8CBE56BF4A2EC3D-FE8-232B@WEBMAIL-MY02.sysops.aol.com> References: <4A7BCAE3.2060407@telus.net> <8CBE56BF4A2EC3D-FE8-232B@WEBMAIL-MY02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBE573ED8FB68D-364-1966@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> I personally like this as they are.? I think if this was set up as a forum board, lots of questions would go unanswered, and I would not know what was going on with other stuff like rockola problems, etc.? "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"...? Just my thoughts, and we all know what that's worth... Ed B -----Original Message----- From: rellis2007@aol.com To: pinball@telus.net; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:47 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. Sound like a step in the right direction doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: John Robertson To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 1:34 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote:? > For those of you not familiar with message boards, I set up a sample one that could be implemented.? >? > I ask only that you suspend your inhibitions for a couple minute and take a look. > I set this up in very little time. I know people hate change, but the old fashioned e-mail list was created before better technology came along. It's outdated and time consuming to use.? > This is just an example. The forums, colors, features, and layout can be altered.? >? > There's a sample post in the AMI/Rowe forum. No tedious reattachments, or having to open stuff individually. > You see the original post, then all replies. I spend a lot of time administrating a very busy board every day (100 to 200 post per day, busier than The Rolling Stone's message board) and one reason I have stopped frequenting this list is that it's MUCH, MUCH more time consuming to go through. > I'd be happy to turn the keys over to Jay if he likes it.? >? > With a message board, you can post links and photos and never have to search for replies to the original post on something, AND, you can immediately ignore any topic that doesn't interest you. > You can also set up a profile making it incredibly easy for people to contact you and look up information about you and your jukeboxes, your location - anything helpful.? >? > Just take a look. The sample post I had to answer myself, but you'll get the idea. > It takes no longer to sign into a message board than it does your e-mail.? >? > http://excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=24539? >? > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco? > Hi Kyle,? ? Message boards have been around as long as there has been computer to computer communications. In the old days they were called BBSes (Bulletin Board Service) - a moderator (I was one for a few years) would set up a BBS in their home city and people would log on to post and see messages. This was back in the 80s and up to the mid 90s - then email and the Internet took over.? ? Personally I greatly prefer mail lists because the messages automatically come to me! I do not have to log on, read over the lists, then log off and log on to the next service. That gets pretty tiresome in a short time. My mail lists all go to their respective mail boxes and all are handled by my email program (Eudora) along with my newsgroups access, read up on "Filtering" on your email program - works a treat! As an example for this jukebox list I simply route any message with "[Jukebox-list]" in the subject line to my JukeboxMailList box...? ? Just for a chuckle I subscribe to (let me count...) at least 12 mail lists and also I follow 11 newsgroups via Eudora. I can review all the messages in just a few minutes...? ? So, as one person that is both a poster and a reader of mail lists, I would be unlikely to go to site specific forums just because it takes longer to do that then to simply glance at the mail list inboxes on my email program.? ? John :-#)#? ? -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames)? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"? ? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From donkeysvsmonkeys at ntlworld.com Fri Aug 7 06:28:23 2009 From: donkeysvsmonkeys at ntlworld.com (luke & lucy) Date: Fri Aug 7 06:45:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. References: Message-ID: <5299B5715E5744BF80B935BF0F9B4D02@DBTOA000> As someone who has been on the list for over a year hoping someone can help me (a complete novice) fix my one and only jukebox, I think the message board would be a good idea for people in a similar position. As you wont know who i am i'll explain my situation. I posted when i joined asking for help with a rockola 478. I had a few replies, people tried to help and it did start a flurry of debate on the merits (or lack of) of microprocessors in jukes but I'm no further forward than I was a year ago (as some are a little sensitive right now I should point out I am genuinely very grateful for all the help and suggestions I recieved and am making no criticism - it is my bad luck that 99.9% of messages are irrelevant to me). I have since spent the last 12 months checking the list in the vain hope someone new joins with the knowledge that can help me. It seems to me that a lot of new members are here seeking help and if a message board was up and running they can check at a glance a database to see if this help is already there or leave a message one time only rather than asking every few months incase of new members. Surely the experts among you must get a little bored sometimes when the same help requests crop up every few months when if a message board was up and running you wouldnt need to reply again and again. I read someone the other day has a file printed out of all the useful stuff they had come across on the list -great idea but if this info was permanently available online for all we would ALL benefit. Both email and message boards have pros and cons but regardless of which is more time consuming the question should be which is more useful and helpful? I say go for it Kyle (or anyone else) thanks for your time Luke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mechanical Music of S.F." To: Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 6:32 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. For those of you not familiar with message boards, I set up a sample one that could be implemented. I ask only that you suspend your inhibitions for a couple minute and take a look. I set this up in very little time. I know people hate change, but the old fashioned e-mail list was created before better technology came along. It's outdated and time consuming to use. This is just an example. The forums, colors, features, and layout can be altered. There's a sample post in the AMI/Rowe forum. No tedious reattachments, or having to open stuff individually. You see the original post, then all replies. I spend a lot of time administrating a very busy board every day (100 to 200 post per day, busier than The Rolling Stone's message board) and one reason I have stopped frequenting this list is that it's MUCH, MUCH more time consuming to go through. I'd be happy to turn the keys over to Jay if he likes it. With a message board, you can post links and photos and never have to search for replies to the original post on something, AND, you can immediately ignore any topic that doesn't interest you. You can also set up a profile making it incredibly easy for people to contact you and look up information about you and your jukeboxes, your location - anything helpful. Just take a look. The sample post I had to answer myself, but you'll get the idea. It takes no longer to sign into a message board than it does your e-mail. http://excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=24539 Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.45/2285 - Release Date: 08/06/09 05:57:00 From aaron at vertasource.com Fri Aug 7 06:57:20 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Fri Aug 7 06:58:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. Message-ID: <200908070957664.SM02860@[192.168.1.206]> I like the forum layout very much. I'm a member of the Polk Audio board (and others) and I get an email notification on any or all of my threads as they are replied to. That way, I don't miss anything intended for me. I assume that this board can be set up to do the same thing. I love the fact that categories are available to keep jukes and/or issues separated by manufacturer. Brilliant idea! If for no other reason, converting the list over to a style like this allows us to seach for articles...especially if they are answers to problems that have been answered on a frequent basis. We could also set up sections with answers to many common questions and have those posted at the top of the form topic list... such as: 1) How do I repaint my AMI F or G? 2) How do I apply the burled finish to my 1100? 3) How do I repair a crack in my Seeburg Mech Cover? 4) How do I eliminate hum in my Wurlitzer 1015 amp? 5) How do I convert my jukebox to free-play? 6) How do I repack my Cobra cartridge? 7) How do I convert my Pre-1100 Wurlitzer to a new Astatic 51-2 cartridge 8) My jukebox has no bass...why? 9) How do I make my own title strips? 10) How do I convert my Seeburg M100A to play 45s or back to 78s? 11) How do I apply veneer to my jukebox? I would be more than happy to contribute any knowledge I have on getting something like this going. I see nothing but positives about this. For the good of the group and entire jukebox community, I think something like a forum is exactly what the next logical step for the list should be. To quote Rich... it's IMHO only... but man! I like this. Any doubts on the success of a message board? Visit www.audiokarma.org. Aaron From moran.tommy at att.net Fri Aug 7 08:18:27 2009 From: moran.tommy at att.net (Moran, Thomas) Date: Fri Aug 7 08:26:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. In-Reply-To: <200908070957664.SM02860@[192.168.1.206]> References: <200908070957664.SM02860@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: Hello, I'm just a rookie here, only been around a year or so. First off, I don't mind how it's set up, I'm just real happy it's available with such great experts willing to answer our questions. When I first joined I asked about transporting my newly purchased jukebox. Almost immediately, I received responses from some very helpful people explaining how it should be done and the precautions to take. With their help, the juke was transported with no problems. I haven't had much time to work on the juke recently but do enjoy reading about the various problems/solutions. I too save any messages that I feel will be helpful in my future restoration project. To me, the forum layout doesn't seem like a bad idea. I do feel you may lose some of the community-feel of the group, but it sure would keep the experts from burning out answering the same questions over and over again. I don't know how they consistently and patiently do it day after day, but I'm greatful. I imagine they would appreciate it set up in that manner, but they and the administrator are the ones that really count. IMHO, Tom On Aug 7, 2009, at 8:57 AM, Aaron Heverin wrote: > I like the forum layout very much. I'm a member of the Polk Audio > board (and others) and I get an email notification on any or all of > my threads as they are replied to. That way, I don't miss anything > intended for me. I assume that this board can be set up to do the > same thing. > > I love the fact that categories are available to keep jukes and/or > issues separated by manufacturer. Brilliant idea! > > If for no other reason, converting the list over to a style like > this allows us to seach for articles...especially if they are > answers to problems that have been answered on a frequent basis. We > could also set up sections with answers to many common questions and > have those posted at the top of the form topic list... such as: > > 1) How do I repaint my AMI F or G? > 2) How do I apply the burled finish to my 1100? > 3) How do I repair a crack in my Seeburg Mech Cover? > 4) How do I eliminate hum in my Wurlitzer 1015 amp? > 5) How do I convert my jukebox to free-play? > 6) How do I repack my Cobra cartridge? > 7) How do I convert my Pre-1100 Wurlitzer to a new Astatic 51-2 > cartridge > 8) My jukebox has no bass...why? > 9) How do I make my own title strips? > 10) How do I convert my Seeburg M100A to play 45s or back to 78s? > 11) How do I apply veneer to my jukebox? > > I would be more than happy to contribute any knowledge I have on > getting something like this going. I see nothing but positives about > this. For the good of the group and entire jukebox community, I > think something like a forum is exactly what the next logical step > for the list should be. To quote Rich... it's IMHO only... but man! > I like this. > > Any doubts on the success of a message board? Visit > www.audiokarma.org. > > Aaron_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Aug 7 07:23:36 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Fri Aug 7 08:27:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Yes on the Sample message board. References: Message-ID: <7A932681D4824F7CA449CBCAC052E905@home1903> Hi Kyle, I am 100% for this new setup, having been on your other message board many times I can vouch for how easy it is to keep track of your own personal interests as well as surf around for other things if you have time. Very nice of you to take your personal time to do this sample and throw it out there. Jackie Dancin' Out ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mechanical Music of S.F." To: Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:32 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. For those of you not familiar with message boards, I set up a sample one that could be implemented. I ask only that you suspend your inhibitions for a couple minute and take a look. I set this up in very little time. I know people hate change, but the old fashioned e-mail list was created before better technology came along. It's outdated and time consuming to use. This is just an example. The forums, colors, features, and layout can be altered. There's a sample post in the AMI/Rowe forum. No tedious reattachments, or having to open stuff individually. You see the original post, then all replies. I spend a lot of time administrating a very busy board every day (100 to 200 post per day, busier than The Rolling Stone's message board) and one reason I have stopped frequenting this list is that it's MUCH, MUCH more time consuming to go through. I'd be happy to turn the keys over to Jay if he likes it. With a message board, you can post links and photos and never have to search for replies to the original post on something, AND, you can immediately ignore any topic that doesn't interest you. You can also set up a profile making it incredibly easy for people to contact you and look up information about you and your jukeboxes, your location - anything helpful. Just take a look. The sample post I had to answer myself, but you'll get the idea. It takes no longer to sign into a message board than it does your e-mail. http://excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=24539 Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From johntrav at windstream.net Fri Aug 7 06:33:19 2009 From: johntrav at windstream.net (John Travelletti) Date: Fri Aug 7 08:49:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-80 problem References: <765764.35861.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CBED9AA173746C883CC491B4BDEAD09@JOHNTRAV> Thanks, Ron, I'll give this a try. Right now we're preparing for a family reunion of 50 relatives from all over the country, so I've had to shelve all jukebox projects until next month. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-80 problem John, Seeing as the pin is "pulled", that would eliminate the power supply, and pricing unit from consideration--been a long time since I saw one of those, and I don't have a manual, but I think the "stopping switch" is supposed to energize the sprag relay ( and left, or right side play coil), thus detenting the mechanism and starting the gripper motor--which I THINK goes thru the service switch--- Hope that helps-- Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/6/09, John Travelletti wrote: From: John Travelletti Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-80 problem To: "jukebox-list" Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 4:43 PM My R-80 has developed a problem. When I make a selection, the search unit hits the correct pin and the carousel starts to scan. It skips right over the pin,makes one complete revolution, and stops. If several selections are made, it jumps all the pins and stops after one revolution. This will happen on any and all selections. I've been playing with it for quite awhile and have done the following: 1. Checked and adjusted the stop switch assembly per the manual instructions. The problem remained, so I replaced the assembly several times with no success. 2. Although I couldn't see a connection since it was selecting correctly, I cleaned, checked, and adjusted the search unit per spec with the same result. I checked diodes and caps and all seem within limits. 3. Finally, in desperation, I replaced the entire 1100 mech assembly. Samo samo. This told me the problem was not in the mech, search unit, or stop switch assembly, but somewhere in the cabinet. 4. To be sure I'd covered all the bases, I dismantled the selector, checked it wire by wire including the relays and contacts. 5. Also replaced the power supply on the advice it could be weak but not yet failed. This model used a different credit unit from earlier and later Rowe jukes. It's called a "CMOS Credit computer" p/n 601-07593, and I'm wondering if it might be causing my problem. Has anyone on the list had any experience with this credit unit, or could offer any suggestions? I've about run out of ideas. I'm well experienced with Rowe 70's jukes and was a Rowe field service engineer when they were built. Glad I didn't have this problem as a field call. As always, any help is most appreciated. John Travelletti _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 11:10:05 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Aug 7 11:11:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. In-Reply-To: <8CBE573ED8FB68D-364-1966@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <165664.75285.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't see any enhanced utility in abandoning the well-established mailing list for a speculative "message board." It's no burden to delete threads that don't interest me here, and by dividing the expertise amongst several different venues, it just makes it harder to get a definitive answer to a question. Not to mention the fact that (in MHO) the message board format is fiddly and cumbersome. I also can envision a lot of threads devolving into "why does everyone here think that my problem is A-B-C, when over on the mailing list they are sure it's X-Y-Z?" Better to have a font of all knowledge than a river delta. :-) David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From edbap at aol.com Fri Aug 7 12:27:34 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (edbap@aol.com) Date: Fri Aug 7 12:34:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. In-Reply-To: <165664.75285.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBE5AC3FC117D4-A44-1037@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> "I second that emotion...." Ed B -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:10 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. I don't see any enhanced utility in abandoning the well-established mailing list for a speculative "message board." It's no burden to delete threads that don't interest me here, and by dividing the expertise amongst several different venues, it just makes it harder to get a definitive answer to a question. Not to mention the fact that (in MHO) the message board format is fiddly and cumbersome. I also can envision a lot of threads devolving into "why does everyone here think that my problem is A-B-C, when over on the mailing list they are sure it's X-Y-Z?" Better to have a font of all knowledge than a river delta. :-) David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From maddleso at gmu.edu Fri Aug 7 13:29:09 2009 From: maddleso at gmu.edu (Mark Addleson) Date: Fri Aug 7 13:30:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Forum format - RE: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <20090807190002.F2FC0AB0D4@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090807190002.F2FC0AB0D4@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <05F3DD364C6A41A381BA3631A4560A19@Marksvaio> I've been a member for a while and have found the advice I've had incredibly helpful and lots of postings enlightening. A few contributors have highlighted well the advantages of a forum, especially the fact that information is categorized and you have a permanent, growing, searchable database. Both are very strong pluses and I think that once you've used a forum you find it difficult to go back to the 'old ways'. I copy and save those current contributions that I think will be useful, but I'd love to be able to search the records. You can do this, but it is unwieldy. Here is the bottom line for me. The list relies mainly on the advice of about half a dozen experts and probably another dozen or so frequent contributors. The question (which I can't answer!) is whether that group would be less willing or less able to contribute if it wasn't a list. If so, the value of being a member would be considerably less. If not, I'd urge that we consider a forum format. Mark From pinball at telus.net Fri Aug 7 13:54:59 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Aug 7 13:56:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Forum format - RE: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <05F3DD364C6A41A381BA3631A4560A19@Marksvaio> References: <20090807190002.F2FC0AB0D4@lists.netlojix.com> <05F3DD364C6A41A381BA3631A4560A19@Marksvaio> Message-ID: <4A7C94A3.2030405@telus.net> Mark Addleson wrote: > I've been a member for a while and have found the advice I've had incredibly > helpful and lots of postings enlightening. > > A few contributors have highlighted well the advantages of a forum, > especially the fact that information is categorized and you have a > permanent, growing, searchable database. Both are very strong pluses and I > think that once you've used a forum you find it difficult to go back to the > 'old ways'. I copy and save those current contributions that I think will > be useful, but I'd love to be able to search the records. You can do this, > but it is unwieldy. > > Here is the bottom line for me. The list relies mainly on the advice of > about half a dozen experts and probably another dozen or so frequent > contributors. The question (which I can't answer!) is whether that group > would be less willing or less able to contribute if it wasn't a list. If > so, the value of being a member would be considerably less. If not, I'd > urge that we consider a forum format. > > Mark > > I am unlikely to follow this list to a forum environment, not interested in logging in regularly to see messages. I've been on a few forums in the past, but have not continued. I greatly prefer the mail list format - as I said it comes to me, and then I can decide if/how to respond. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jhayes2613 at aol.com Fri Aug 7 14:30:53 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Fri Aug 7 14:32:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. In-Reply-To: <8CBE5AC3FC117D4-A44-1037@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBE5BD7A2C3542-924-1779@webmail-me10.sysops.aol.com> I like what we've got here. -----Original Message----- From: edbap@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 2:27 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. "I second that emotion...." Ed B -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:10 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. I don't see any enhanced utility in abandoning the well-established mailing list for a speculative "message board." It's no burden to delete threads that don't interest me here, and by dividing the expertise amongst several different venues, it just makes it harder to get a definitive answer to a question. Not to mention the fact that (in MHO) the message board format is fiddly and cumbersome. I also can envision a lot of threads devolving into "why does everyone here think that my problem is A-B-C, when over on the mailing list they are sure it's X-Y-Z?" Better to have a font of all knowledge than a river delta. :-) David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From joe400f at shaw.ca Fri Aug 7 15:10:57 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Fri Aug 7 15:12:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay References: <8CBE526CFC4F9F0-131C-234@webmail-db20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <019e01ca17ab$f08d29b0$cf844e18@compaq> This is a real CLASSY looking speaker. The comments are correct that it is big and heavy. I have one that I want to restore. I bought if for $600. It looks ugly because someone spray painted it red but, it is complete and not broken. I feel I got it for a fair price. I have seen a few with $1500 price tags in Chicago and they do sell. Joey McDonald From joe400f at shaw.ca Fri Aug 7 15:05:56 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Fri Aug 7 15:13:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chicago Coin's Hit Parade Parts References: Message-ID: <019101ca17ab$3d3db0a0$cf844e18@compaq> I met a guy in Chicago that makes the Chicago Coin Hit Parade as reproroduction. It is amazing. He is a real nice guy. He may have the parts you need. He is the foremost expert on these. Here is is contact information. Brad Frank 10010 Independence Ave. Chatsworth, CA 91311 1-818-709-2157 bfret@aol.com I don't know him personally. I met him at the Chicago show. I make a point of introducing myself to exibitors and getting business cards. You never know when you will need them. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Minderman" To: Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chicago Coin's Hit Parade Parts Hi All, I'm in the process of restoring a Chicago Coin Hit Parade and I'm looking for parts. Specifically the torsion springs to the credit units, the inside decorative side panels and the marquee that sits on top. Does anyone have a parts jukebox that has these parts? Thanks, Hans _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From joe400f at shaw.ca Fri Aug 7 15:13:41 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Fri Aug 7 15:15:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay References: <226C8C851381486FAFD9E6160FC3AB3C@home1903> <003101ca1723$43e0f170$6405a8c0@uwspjqh5ts4ftf> Message-ID: <01af01ca17ac$523a80e0$cf844e18@compaq> There was someone selling reproductions for $1200. As Ron Rich mentioned, they were also 8ohm and not CV. I contacted the person before I bought mine. They were not making them anymore and had no plans to continue. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genron" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay I wonder why they never made these in reproductions, they have the small ones in reproductions so why not the big ones. Maybe the price would be a lot higher and it would not sell I guess. Anyone ever seen these in repro? Didier. ----- Original Message ----- From: etreble7 To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay oh wow, mine doesn't look anything like that!! I think that's the large teardrop, mine is probably about half the size...that's a beauty! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "graham" To: Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Teardrop speaker on ebay Just seen a teardrop restored speaker on eBay for $1850 ! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Restored-Seeburg-Teardrop-speaker_W0QQitemZ390078460449QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad27cf221&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From leovalk at hotmail.com Fri Aug 7 15:54:31 2009 From: leovalk at hotmail.com (leo valk) Date: Fri Aug 7 15:56:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Sample message board. Not ideal ! In-Reply-To: <165664.75285.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8CBE573ED8FB68D-364-1966@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> <165664.75285.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I do agree with David (see below)strongly. Apart from what he says, I find that with the way the mail list has been going, there's no real reason to change into a message board. I think many list members would miss a lot of Q & A, simply for the fact you have to log in to a message board, which only happens if you have a specific reason to do so. The current e-mail system on the other hand, is a constant reminder of juke related issues. Many issues of members on a message board, would never find their way to you, compared with what we have now. I for one, like reading about other peoples problems and solutions given by the experts on out list. The format is now presented to us through the simple means of e-mail. It's there for us to choose: Yes or no respond, keep or delete. Let's be honest here, most of us wouldn't log in frequently enough to have access to the same quantity of info that reaches us now. Probably o.k. for those who are only interested in their own topic, but it won't benefit the members who have a question, as the response is likely to be less. I have registered for other forums and found that I've only visited them rarely after, when there was no real reason to visit them. So I stopped going to forums. I am completely happy with this list format and think many of us will be too! regards, Leo ____________________________________________________________________ > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:10:05 -0700 > From: david_breneman@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > I don't see any enhanced utility in abandoning the > well-established mailing list for a speculative > "message board." It's no burden to delete threads > that don't interest me here, and by dividing the > expertise amongst several different venues, it just > makes it harder to get a definitive answer to a > question. Not to mention the fact that (in MHO) the > message board format is fiddly and cumbersome. I > also can envision a lot of threads devolving into > "why does everyone here think that my problem is A-B-C, > when over on the mailing list they are sure it's X-Y-Z?" > Better to have a font of all knowledge than a river > delta. :-) > > > David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Use Windows Live Messenger from your Hotmail inbox Web IM has arrived! http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454 From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Fri Aug 7 16:01:50 2009 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Fri Aug 7 16:03:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Forum format - RE: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 7 References: <20090807190002.F2FC0AB0D4@lists.netlojix.com><05F3DD364C6A41A381BA3631A4560A19@Marksvaio> <4A7C94A3.2030405@telus.net> Message-ID: <7B91461C5B994831B3520C536D6D7FE8@PAW> I agree with John completely I am unlikely to follow this list to a forum environment, not interested in logging in regularly to see messages. I've been on a few forums in the past, but have not continued. I greatly prefer the mail list format - as I said it comes to me, and then I can decide if/how to respond. IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T F*** WITH IT. Get your minds out of the gutter FOOL with it Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Please respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND From oldjukes at hotmail.com Fri Aug 7 16:20:05 2009 From: oldjukes at hotmail.com (Hans Minderman) Date: Fri Aug 7 16:21:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chicago Coin's Hit Parade Parts In-Reply-To: <019101ca17ab$3d3db0a0$cf844e18@compaq> References: <019101ca17ab$3d3db0a0$cf844e18@compaq> Message-ID: Great! Thanks Joey, I'll contact Brad and will let you know how it goes. -Hans > From: joe400f@shaw.ca > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chicago Coin's Hit Parade Parts > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:05:56 -0500 > > I met a guy in Chicago that makes the Chicago Coin Hit Parade as > reproroduction. > It is amazing. He is a real nice guy. He may have the parts you need. He is > the foremost expert on these. Here is is contact information. > > Brad Frank > 10010 Independence Ave. > Chatsworth, CA 91311 > 1-818-709-2157 > bfret@aol.com > > I don't know him personally. I met him at the Chicago show. I make a point > of introducing > myself to exibitors and getting business cards. You never know when you > will need them. > > Joey McDonald > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans Minderman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:36 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chicago Coin's Hit Parade Parts > > > > Hi All, I'm in the process of restoring a Chicago Coin Hit Parade and I'm > looking for parts. Specifically the torsion springs to the credit units, the > inside decorative side panels and the marquee that sits on top. Does anyone > have a parts jukebox that has these parts? Thanks, Hans > _________________________________________________________________ > Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. > http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From Jjmscf at aol.com Fri Aug 7 16:25:06 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Fri Aug 7 16:26:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Sample message board. Not ideal ! Message-ID: I agree. Keep it the way it is. I belong to some forums and rarely visit them anymore. One of them being Audiokarma since it was mentioned. Mainly because I'm on dialup and it takes so long to click onto each message and read it.and then go back to the main page .I'd be on the computer all evening after work reading forums instead of working on my jukeboxes. I can't go on the computer at work and read my emails and forums like some people do. I have to do all on my free time what little I have. Some people are still on dialup(I for one) and no high speed is available(I for one) unless they move or spend a fortune for satellite internet which doesn't work that great. Forums take too long to go through on slow speed dialup. I don't even visit tv repair forums anymore and that's what I do for a living.Just way too time consuming of my limited free time. Here I just read the emails. They load instantly no waiting,especially the extremely long wait if someone's post includes pictures. I enjoy reading the expert's responses to jukes I own as well as other jukes I do not because I am technically curious and might be able to help a fellow local juke owner because of knowledge I pick up here. J.C. In a message dated 8/7/2009 6:56:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, leovalk@hotmail.com writes: I do agree with David (see below)strongly. Apart from what he says, I find that with the way the mail list has been going, there's no real reason to change into a message board. I think many list members would miss a lot of Q & A, simply for the fact you have to log in to a message board, which only happens if you have a specific reason to do so. The current e-mail system on the other hand, is a constant reminder of juke related issues. Many issues of members on a message board, would never find their way to you, compared with what we have now. I for one, like reading about other peoples problems and solutions given by the experts on out list. The format is now presented to us through the simple means of e-mail. It's there for us to choose: Yes or no respond, keep or delete. Let's be honest here, most of us wouldn't log in frequently enough to have access to the same quantity of info that reaches us now. Probably o.k. for those who are only interested in their own topic, but it won't benefit the members who have a question, as the response is likely to be less. I have registered for other forums and found that I've only visited them rarely after, when there was no real reason to visit them. So I stopped going to forums. I am completely happy with this list format and think many of us will be too! regards, Leo ____________________________________________________________________ > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:10:05 -0700 > From: david_breneman@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > I don't see any enhanced utility in abandoning the > well-established mailing list for a speculative > "message board." It's no burden to delete threads > that don't interest me here, and by dividing the > expertise amongst several different venues, it just > makes it harder to get a definitive answer to a > question. Not to mention the fact that (in MHO) the > message board format is fiddly and cumbersome. I > also can envision a lot of threads devolving into > "why does everyone here think that my problem is A-B-C, > when over on the mailing list they are sure it's X-Y-Z?" > Better to have a font of all knowledge than a river > delta. :-) > > > David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Use Windows Live Messenger from your Hotmail inbox Web IM has arrived! http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454____________________ ___________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From y2kvette at verizon.net Fri Aug 7 19:15:09 2009 From: y2kvette at verizon.net (Steve Kline) Date: Fri Aug 7 19:17:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. References: Message-ID: <2DA7635ADB4341CFB181F7650E75AFF3@TCSShop> I vote yes. Then all of the Jackie posts can go to the back porch! Newbie Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mechanical Music of S.F." To: Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:32 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. For those of you not familiar with message boards, I set up a sample one that could be implemented. I ask only that you suspend your inhibitions for a couple minute and take a look. I set this up in very little time. I know people hate change, but the old fashioned e-mail list was created before better technology came along. It's outdated and time consuming to use. This is just an example. The forums, colors, features, and layout can be altered. There's a sample post in the AMI/Rowe forum. No tedious reattachments, or having to open stuff individually. You see the original post, then all replies. I spend a lot of time administrating a very busy board every day (100 to 200 post per day, busier than The Rolling Stone's message board) and one reason I have stopped frequenting this list is that it's MUCH, MUCH more time consuming to go through. I'd be happy to turn the keys over to Jay if he likes it. With a message board, you can post links and photos and never have to search for replies to the original post on something, AND, you can immediately ignore any topic that doesn't interest you. You can also set up a profile making it incredibly easy for people to contact you and look up information about you and your jukeboxes, your location - anything helpful. Just take a look. The sample post I had to answer myself, but you'll get the idea. It takes no longer to sign into a message board than it does your e-mail. http://excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=24539 Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Fri Aug 7 19:16:49 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Aug 7 19:18:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Administrivia: Format of this list Message-ID: <4A7CE011.8010303@west.net> After reviewing the recent postings and looking at numerous other formats (Google and Yahoo groups, VBulletin, etc.) I have decided not to make any significant changes to the format of this list. I participate in a number of online discussion groups including mailing lists and the real old-school Usenet as well as web-based forum and bulletin-board style sites. Different formats seem to work for different things but technical and specialized topics seem to me at least to have more utility as a mailing list. NANOG and several similar technical lists come to mind. This format works well for me both as an administrator and a user, and while it is old-school and devoid of a lot of the flash of some of the other types of discussion group, it is quite functional and seems to have served the community well for a long time. (Coin-operated phonographs are kind of old-school too...) Forum-style software requires more back-end maintenance than mailing list software. Most forum sites are run as commercial ventures with advertisements due to the increased maintenance costs. Many forums over time will solicit donations or subscription fees for full access. This isn't always the case but it seems to be a trend. There already exist several jukebox-related discussion groups in other formats, among them the Usenet group alt.collecting.juke-boxes (which can be reached via Google as well). There is also a Yahoo Groups forum that is Seeburg-related, and perhaps one for Wurlitzer. The Linkedin.com social networking site has a collectibles group. If someone here wants to start yet another, please feel free to do so. I only ask that you not use this list to advertise a group intended to replace it or use the archived material of this list to populate it. For those wanting some options, there is a control panel on the web, and you are reminded of your password for login once a month. The URL is at the bottom of this and every message here. Options include: * Digest format - Useful if you don't want to follow everything in real time or receive multiple emails. Every day you will receive a single email with all of the day's postings as well as a list of their subject lines. If you subscribe in digest mode, please be careful when replying to change the subject line to something sensible, usually the subject of the individual posting to which you are replying would be a good choice. Also, *trim* the copied text to just the article to which you're replying. Don't quote the whole day's postings just to add a line or two. * No mail - Useful if you want to follow the archives on the web but still be able to post messages, or if you are going to be on vacation. This can also be used if you have multiple addresses from which you post but don't want duplicate copies. * Not-metoo - Suppresses copies of your own postings being sent back to you. Archives going back several years are also available from the same URL, shown at the bottom of every message. These can be sorted by date, author, or subject. Archives are presently available only on grouped on a monthly basis, a searchable archive may become available in the future. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From y2kvette at verizon.net Fri Aug 7 19:18:04 2009 From: y2kvette at verizon.net (Steve Kline) Date: Fri Aug 7 19:19:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. References: <5299B5715E5744BF80B935BF0F9B4D02@DBTOA000> Message-ID: <3F2162ECA4B44F51B683D7E013C9BF9B@TCSShop> Luke, You get the "Beacon of Reality" award for today. Exactly what state of the art is (from at least 5 years ago) Newbie Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "luke & lucy" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. > As someone who has been on the list for over a year hoping someone can > help me (a complete novice) fix my one and only jukebox, I think the > message board would be a good idea for people in a similar position. As > you wont know who i am i'll explain my situation. I posted when i joined > asking for help with a rockola 478. I had a few replies, people tried to > help and it did start a flurry of debate on the merits (or lack of) of > microprocessors in jukes but I'm no further forward than I was a year ago > (as some are a little sensitive right now I should point out I am > genuinely very grateful for all the help and suggestions I recieved and am > making no criticism - it is my bad luck that 99.9% of messages are > irrelevant to me). I have since spent the last 12 months checking the list > in the vain hope someone new joins with the knowledge that can help me. It > seems to me that a lot of new members are here seeking help and if a > message board was up and running they can check at a glance a database to > see if this help is already there or leave a message one time only rather > than asking every few months incase of new members. Surely the experts > among you must get a little bored sometimes when the same help requests > crop up every few months when if a message board was up and running you > wouldnt need to reply again and again. I read someone the other day has a > file printed out of all the useful stuff they had come across on the > list -great idea but if this info was permanently available online for > all we would ALL benefit. Both email and message boards have pros and cons > but regardless of which is more time consuming the question should be > which is more useful and helpful? I say go for it Kyle (or anyone else) > thanks for your time > Luke > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mechanical Music of S.F." > To: > Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 6:32 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. > > > > For those of you not familiar with message boards, I set up a sample one > that could be implemented. > > I ask only that you suspend your inhibitions for a couple minute and take > a look. > I set this up in very little time. I know people hate change, but the old > fashioned e-mail list was created before better technology came along. > It's outdated and time consuming to use. > This is just an example. The forums, colors, features, and layout can be > altered. > > There's a sample post in the AMI/Rowe forum. No tedious reattachments, or > having to open stuff individually. > You see the original post, then all replies. I spend a lot of time > administrating a very busy board every day (100 to 200 post per day, > busier than The Rolling Stone's message board) and one reason I have > stopped frequenting this list is that it's MUCH, MUCH more time consuming > to go through. > I'd be happy to turn the keys over to Jay if he likes it. > > With a message board, you can post links and photos and never have to > search for replies to the original post on something, AND, you can > immediately ignore any topic that doesn't interest you. > You can also set up a profile making it incredibly easy for people to > contact you and look up information about you and your jukeboxes, your > location - anything helpful. > > Just take a look. The sample post I had to answer myself, but you'll get > the idea. > It takes no longer to sign into a message board than it does your e-mail. > > http://excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=24539 > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. > http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.45/2285 - Release Date: 08/06/09 > 05:57:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Fri Aug 7 19:24:25 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Fri Aug 7 19:26:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. Message-ID: I have been getting e-mails all day and very few actually about jukes! Can we move on? Wurlyman700 ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri Aug 07 22:18:04 2009 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. Luke, You get the "Beacon of Reality" award for today. Exactly what state of the art is (from at least 5 years ago) Newbie Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "luke & lucy" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. > As someone who has been on the list for over a year hoping someone can > help me (a complete novice) fix my one and only jukebox, I think the > message board would be a good idea for people in a similar position. As > you wont know who i am i'll explain my situation. I posted when i joined > asking for help with a rockola 478. I had a few replies, people tried to > help and it did start a flurry of debate on the merits (or lack of) of > microprocessors in jukes but I'm no further forward than I was a year ago > (as some are a little sensitive right now I should point out I am > genuinely very grateful for all the help and suggestions I recieved and am > making no criticism - it is my bad luck that 99.9% of messages are > irrelevant to me). I have since spent the last 12 months checking the list > in the vain hope someone new joins with the knowledge that can help me. It > seems to me that a lot of new members are here seeking help and if a > message board was up and running they can check at a glance a database to > see if this help is already there or leave a message one time only rather > than asking every few months incase of new members. Surely the experts > among you must get a little bored sometimes when the same help requests > crop up every few months when if a message board was up and running you > wouldnt need to reply again and again. I read someone the other day has a > file printed out of all the useful stuff they had come across on the > list -great idea but if this info was permanently available online for > all we would ALL benefit. Both email and message boards have pros and cons > but regardless of which is more time consuming the question should be > which is more useful and helpful? I say go for it Kyle (or anyone else) > thanks for your time > Luke > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mechanical Music of S.F." > To: > Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 6:32 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. > > > > For those of you not familiar with message boards, I set up a sample one > that could be implemented. > > I ask only that you suspend your inhibitions for a couple minute and take > a look. > I set this up in very little time. I know people hate change, but the old > fashioned e-mail list was created before better technology came along. > It's outdated and time consuming to use. > This is just an example. The forums, colors, features, and layout can be > altered. > > There's a sample post in the AMI/Rowe forum. No tedious reattachments, or > having to open stuff individually. > You see the original post, then all replies. I spend a lot of time > administrating a very busy board every day (100 to 200 post per day, > busier than The Rolling Stone's message board) and one reason I have > stopped frequenting this list is that it's MUCH, MUCH more time consuming > to go through. > I'd be happy to turn the keys over to Jay if he likes it. > > With a message board, you can post links and photos and never have to > search for replies to the original post on something, AND, you can > immediately ignore any topic that doesn't interest you. > You can also set up a profile making it incredibly easy for people to > contact you and look up information about you and your jukeboxes, your > location - anything helpful. > > Just take a look. The sample post I had to answer myself, but you'll get > the idea. > It takes no longer to sign into a message board than it does your e-mail. > > http://excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=24539 > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. > http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.45/2285 - Release Date: 08/06/09 > 05:57:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Fri Aug 7 19:29:05 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Aug 7 19:30:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Reproduction 78-RPM records Message-ID: <4A7CE2F1.4050708@west.net> There has been discussion from time to time about the Rhino 78-RPM record sets that were made briefly for jukebox use. I've also seen repro 78s on Atlantic as well as some bootlegs. I've recently made the acquaintance of Glen Pitts who is an aficionado of broadcast gear, old records, and a Rockola 1493 Princess. Glen is now a member of this list. Glen has a website with a lot of good information about his interests, among them the Rhino 78-RPM record sets, now out of production and very costly if you can find them. URL for his main site is http://www.kjq.us.com/ and for the Rhino 78s is http://www.kjq.us.com/rhino78rpmrecords.html . Glen has been in contact with the owner of Oldies.com and inquired about the possibility of renewed production of 78-RPM records. He wrote me as follows: Recently, I sent a snail mail letter to the owner of Oldies.Com, requesting the production of oldies 78's on the Collectables label. In his response, he was grateful for the suggestion, but indicated that my request was the only request of this nature he had received. He indicated that if an interest were to be shown, he would consider having these records produced. If there are record collectors, 78 jukebox owners, or just music enthusiasts out there who would like to own a box of these jewels, you may write a letter of request. Our interest could spark the production of good music on a rare format. Contact Information: Jerry Greene Oldies.Com 60 Portland Road West Conshohocken, PA. 19428 If this comes to pass, the obvious choice for the first title would have to be Bull Moose Jackson's classic tune. Yes, that one. The one I have on a 7-inch 45. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Aug 7 19:35:26 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Fri Aug 7 19:37:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT - Enough? In-Reply-To: <2DA7635ADB4341CFB181F7650E75AFF3@TCSShop> References: <2DA7635ADB4341CFB181F7650E75AFF3@TCSShop> Message-ID: Steve, I think everyone has had about enough of the "jackie" reference, especially Jackie. I assume the "back porch" refers to my favorite place to sit and watch the birds, listen to my jukebox. If that's not the reference you had in mind, just don't bother posting. PLEASE, can we just talk about Jukeboxes??? or possibly the List/Forum that IS related to this site? Jackie Dancin' Out On Aug 7, 2009, at 10:15 PM, Steve Kline wrote: > I vote yes. Then all of the Jackie posts can go to the back porch! > Newbie Steve > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mechanical Music of S.F." > > To: > Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:32 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. > > > > For those of you not familiar with message boards, I set up a sample > one that could be implemented. > > I ask only that you suspend your inhibitions for a couple minute and > take a look. > I set this up in very little time. I know people hate change, but > the old fashioned e-mail list was created before better technology > came along. It's outdated and time consuming to use. > This is just an example. The forums, colors, features, and layout > can be altered. > > There's a sample post in the AMI/Rowe forum. No tedious > reattachments, or having to open stuff individually. > You see the original post, then all replies. I spend a lot of time > administrating a very busy board every day (100 to 200 post per day, > busier than The Rolling Stone's message board) and one reason I have > stopped frequenting this list is that it's MUCH, MUCH more time > consuming to go through. > I'd be happy to turn the keys over to Jay if he likes it. > > With a message board, you can post links and photos and never have > to search for replies to the original post on something, AND, you > can immediately ignore any topic that doesn't interest you. > You can also set up a profile making it incredibly easy for people > to contact you and look up information about you and your jukeboxes, > your location - anything helpful. > > Just take a look. The sample post I had to answer myself, but > you'll get the idea. > It takes no longer to sign into a message board than it does your e- > mail. > > http://excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=24539 > > Kyle ~ > Mechanical Music of San Francisco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for > Hotmail?. > http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 19:36:20 2009 From: jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Fri Aug 7 19:37:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-80 Message-ID: <581109.39858.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You might try cleaning all the keyboard contacts. John the Jukebox Man From y2kvette at verizon.net Fri Aug 7 19:45:52 2009 From: y2kvette at verizon.net (Steve Kline) Date: Fri Aug 7 19:47:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Sample message board. Not ideal ! References: <8CBE573ED8FB68D-364-1966@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> <165664.75285.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9A89D29294BA412DA7DA374CC9E2F2B9@TCSShop> Friends, You know the only reason this conversation exists is because of the multitude of posts (emails) regarding one member who left and because everyone got upset at the off topic (yes I just figured that out= OT). Then everyone had to post a multitude of OT's relative to that for and against and it is still going. When does the OT go away and the real emails' continue? If there is some way to CONTROL the OT stuff, then the old way is fine. Otherwise, change the list to a forum. OR, can we have a separate email list for those who want to rant and bit*h about OT issues (Jukebox mailing list for Bit*hing) so that the rest of us only have to deal with the technical issues of jukeboxes and the pleasant commodarity of juking? Has this list always been this way? Steve Newbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "leo valk" To: "helpdesk juukebox" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Sample message board. Not ideal ! I do agree with David (see below)strongly. Apart from what he says, I find that with the way the mail list has been going, there's no real reason to change into a message board. I think many list members would miss a lot of Q & A, simply for the fact you have to log in to a message board, which only happens if you have a specific reason to do so. The current e-mail system on the other hand, is a constant reminder of juke related issues. Many issues of members on a message board, would never find their way to you, compared with what we have now. I for one, like reading about other peoples problems and solutions given by the experts on out list. The format is now presented to us through the simple means of e-mail. It's there for us to choose: Yes or no respond, keep or delete. Let's be honest here, most of us wouldn't log in frequently enough to have access to the same quantity of info that reaches us now. Probably o.k. for those who are only interested in their own topic, but it won't benefit the members who have a question, as the response is likely to be less. I have registered for other forums and found that I've only visited them rarely after, when there was no real reason to visit them. So I stopped going to forums. I am completely happy with this list format and think many of us will be too! regards, Leo ____________________________________________________________________ > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:10:05 -0700 > From: david_breneman@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > I don't see any enhanced utility in abandoning the > well-established mailing list for a speculative > "message board." It's no burden to delete threads > that don't interest me here, and by dividing the > expertise amongst several different venues, it just > makes it harder to get a definitive answer to a > question. Not to mention the fact that (in MHO) the > message board format is fiddly and cumbersome. I > also can envision a lot of threads devolving into > "why does everyone here think that my problem is A-B-C, > when over on the mailing list they are sure it's X-Y-Z?" > Better to have a font of all knowledge than a river > delta. :-) > > > David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Use Windows Live Messenger from your Hotmail inbox Web IM has arrived! http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From y2kvette at verizon.net Fri Aug 7 19:47:48 2009 From: y2kvette at verizon.net (Steve Kline) Date: Fri Aug 7 19:49:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Sample message board. Not ideal ! References: Message-ID: <2C92FB3D1177439EAAB76D8477BA6401@TCSShop> Wow, dial-up. Do you have a rotary dial phone too? :-)) Steve Newbie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Sample message board. Not ideal ! >I agree. Keep it the way it is. > I belong to some forums and rarely visit them anymore. One of them being > Audiokarma since it was mentioned. Mainly because I'm on dialup and it > takes so long to click onto each message and read it.and then go back to > the > main page .I'd be on the computer all evening after work reading forums > instead of working on my jukeboxes. I can't go on the computer at work > and > read my emails and forums like some people do. I have to do all on my free > time > what little I have. > > Some people are still on dialup(I for one) and no high speed is > available(I for one) unless they move or spend a fortune for satellite > internet > which doesn't work that great. Forums take too long to go through on slow > speed > dialup. I don't even visit tv repair forums anymore and that's what I do > for a living.Just way too time consuming of my limited free time. > > Here I just read the emails. > They load instantly no waiting,especially the extremely long wait if > someone's post includes pictures. > > I enjoy reading the expert's responses to jukes I own as well as other > jukes I do not because I am technically curious and might be able to > help a > fellow local juke owner because of knowledge I pick up here. > > > > J.C. > > > > > In a message dated 8/7/2009 6:56:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > leovalk@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > I do agree with David (see below)strongly. Apart from what he says, I > find > that with > > the way the mail list has been going, there's no real reason to change > into a message board. > > > > I think many list members would miss a lot of Q & A, simply for the fact > you have to log in to > > a message board, which only happens if you have a specific reason to do > so. > > > > The current e-mail system on the other hand, is a constant reminder of > juke related > > issues. Many issues of members on a message board, would never find their > way to you, > > compared with what we have now. I for one, like reading about other > peoples problems > > and solutions given by the experts on out list. > > > > The format is now presented to us through the simple means of e-mail. > It's > there > > for us to choose: Yes or no respond, keep or delete. Let's be honest > here, > most of > > us wouldn't log in frequently enough to have access to the same quantity > of info > > that reaches us now. Probably o.k. for those who are only interested in > their own > > topic, but it won't benefit the members who have a question, as the > response is > > likely to be less. > > > > I have registered for other forums and found that I've only visited them > rarely > > after, when there was no real reason to visit them. So I stopped going to > forums. > > I am completely happy with this list format and think many of us will be > too! > > > > regards, Leo > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > >> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:10:05 -0700 >> From: david_breneman@yahoo.com >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> >> >> >> I don't see any enhanced utility in abandoning the >> well-established mailing list for a speculative >> "message board." It's no burden to delete threads >> that don't interest me here, and by dividing the >> expertise amongst several different venues, it just >> makes it harder to get a definitive answer to a >> question. Not to mention the fact that (in MHO) the >> message board format is fiddly and cumbersome. I >> also can envision a lot of threads devolving into >> "why does everyone here think that my problem is A-B-C, >> when over on the mailing list they are sure it's X-Y-Z?" >> Better to have a font of all knowledge than a river >> delta. :-) >> >> >> David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use Windows Live Messenger from your Hotmail inbox Web IM has arrived! > http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454____________________ > ___________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 20:02:14 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Aug 7 20:03:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Reproduction 78-RPM records In-Reply-To: <4A7CE2F1.4050708@west.net> Message-ID: <211273.86934.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've always shied away from these sets for two reasons. The first is that I've never seen a reliable indication of exactly what the groove width is. Some say the 1 mil LP width, in which case they could not be intermixed with "real" 78s; others say the transcription width of 2.5 mil, in which case they could be intermixed, but might wear more than other vinyl 78s. But I've never heard anyone claim that they are cut with the standard 3 mil 78 groove width. The other reason is the "Wheat Vis-a-Vis Chaff" conundrum. Every set of these records that I've seen has maybe 4 or 5 selections (at most) that I'd really like, and a whole lot of others that I don't care about, many of which I've never even heard of. I just can't see myself paying upwards of $200 for a couple dozen records, most of which I don't want, when I can buy what I need via record auctions. And, BTW, the weak economy seems to be helping here, because just last month I got two V+ Little Richard 78s, "Tutti Frutti" and "Long Tall Sally" for less than $10 apiece. Those usually go for over $30, more likely $40. From Jjmscf at aol.com Fri Aug 7 20:03:17 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Fri Aug 7 20:05:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Sample message board. Not ideal ! Message-ID: Its not funny.It downright sucks. I suspect there are still millions of people who live in rural areas and small towns that can not get high speed internet. I'm less than 1/4 mile from where cable tv stops and even though Verizon says to keep checking on their website a guy that works for them told me that where I live I most likely will never get DSL service. Satellite(the only option left) is extremely expensive.You gotta buy their equipment $500 worth to start and then it's still higher than DSL or Cable. Why it can't be like Satellite TV service from Directv or Dish Network I dunno?They give you the equipment and installation practically just so you subscribe to their service. J.C. In a message dated 8/7/2009 10:49:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, y2kvette@verizon.net writes: Wow, dial-up. Do you have a rotary dial phone too? :-)) Steve Newbie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Sample message board. Not ideal ! >I agree. Keep it the way it is. > I belong to some forums and rarely visit them anymore. One of them being > Audiokarma since it was mentioned. Mainly because I'm on dialup and it > takes so long to click onto each message and read it.and then go back to > the > main page .I'd be on the computer all evening after work reading forums > instead of working on my jukeboxes. I can't go on the computer at work > and > read my emails and forums like some people do. I have to do all on my free > time > what little I have. > > Some people are still on dialup(I for one) and no high speed is > available(I for one) unless they move or spend a fortune for satellite > internet > which doesn't work that great. Forums take too long to go through on slow > speed > dialup. I don't even visit tv repair forums anymore and that's what I do > for a living.Just way too time consuming of my limited free time. > > Here I just read the emails. > They load instantly no waiting,especially the extremely long wait if > someone's post includes pictures. > > I enjoy reading the expert's responses to jukes I own as well as other > jukes I do not because I am technically curious and might be able to > help a > fellow local juke owner because of knowledge I pick up here. > > > > J.C. > > > > > In a message dated 8/7/2009 6:56:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > leovalk@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > I do agree with David (see below)strongly. Apart from what he says, I > find > that with > > the way the mail list has been going, there's no real reason to change > into a message board. > > > > I think many list members would miss a lot of Q & A, simply for the fact > you have to log in to > > a message board, which only happens if you have a specific reason to do > so. > > > > The current e-mail system on the other hand, is a constant reminder of > juke related > > issues. Many issues of members on a message board, would never find their > way to you, > > compared with what we have now. I for one, like reading about other > peoples problems > > and solutions given by the experts on out list. > > > > The format is now presented to us through the simple means of e-mail. > It's > there > > for us to choose: Yes or no respond, keep or delete. Let's be honest > here, > most of > > us wouldn't log in frequently enough to have access to the same quantity > of info > > that reaches us now. Probably o.k. for those who are only interested in > their own > > topic, but it won't benefit the members who have a question, as the > response is > > likely to be less. > > > > I have registered for other forums and found that I've only visited them > rarely > > after, when there was no real reason to visit them. So I stopped going to > forums. > > I am completely happy with this list format and think many of us will be > too! > > > > regards, Leo > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > >> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:10:05 -0700 >> From: david_breneman@yahoo.com >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> >> >> >> I don't see any enhanced utility in abandoning the >> well-established mailing list for a speculative >> "message board." It's no burden to delete threads >> that don't interest me here, and by dividing the >> expertise amongst several different venues, it just >> makes it harder to get a definitive answer to a >> question. Not to mention the fact that (in MHO) the >> message board format is fiddly and cumbersome. I >> also can envision a lot of threads devolving into >> "why does everyone here think that my problem is A-B-C, >> when over on the mailing list they are sure it's X-Y-Z?" >> Better to have a font of all knowledge than a river >> delta. :-) >> >> >> David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use Windows Live Messenger from your Hotmail inbox Web IM has arrived! > http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454____________________ > ___________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Fri Aug 7 20:17:11 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Aug 7 20:18:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Reproduction 78-RPM records In-Reply-To: <211273.86934.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <211273.86934.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A7CEE37.8040508@west.net> David Breneman wrote: > > I've always shied away from these sets for two reasons. The > first is that I've never seen a reliable indication of exactly > what the groove width is. Some say the 1 mil LP width, in > which case they could not be intermixed with "real" 78s; > others say the transcription width of 2.5 mil, in which > case they could be intermixed, but might wear more than other > vinyl 78s. But I've never heard anyone claim that they are > cut with the standard 3 mil 78 groove width. I've heard 2-mil as well. Of course, the "78" went through quite a bit of evolution over its lifespan with different equalization curves, different speeds from 60 to 80 RPM, and even different groove geometry with Edison hill-and-dale and others left-to-right. I'm not sure when the groove width was standardized, but it was probably fairly late in the evolution of the 78. Stylus pressure and material of course varied widely as well, with cactus needles, steel, "osmium", etc. being used over time. A shopped-out jukebox with light stylus pressure and the appropriate trip switch to avoid side-pressure should handle them well. I'd like to see the standard 3-mil groove width as well. All things being equal in terms of care in pressing, etc., a 10-inch 78 RPM record with 3-mil grooves should blow the socks off of an LP in terms of fidelity, frequency response, and dynamic range. > The other reason is the "Wheat Vis-a-Vis Chaff" conundrum. > Every set of these records that I've seen has maybe 4 or 5 > selections (at most) that I'd really like, and a whole lot > of others that I don't care about, many of which I've > never even heard of. I just can't see myself paying > upwards of $200 for a couple dozen records, most of which I > don't want, when I can buy what I need via record auctions. Hopefully if Collectibles goes down this path they'll make the records available as singles as well as in sets. It's probably worth a letter to them if you want to see additional titles on 78. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From kjq45 at att.net Fri Aug 7 20:10:48 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Fri Aug 7 20:18:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Purple Amp. Message-ID: I have a spare purple Rock-Ola amplifier, Model 36196-A. > In the service manual for the Rock-Ola 1484 Wall Phonograph, > it shows a Model 34725-A amp. > > The physical appearance, wiring diagram and mounting holes all > appear identical, with the only difference being the model number. > > Would anyone be able to advise me on which juke this amp goes with and > why there would be a difference in the model number. From jgb890 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 7 20:17:04 2009 From: jgb890 at hotmail.com (jim Bobik) Date: Fri Aug 7 20:24:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think a form or juke-box pade would be the best thing , because you would not have to receive all e-mails, just a monthly news maybe to help keep us informed on other issues and you are right , several people ask the same question and some times its over and over. I say go for it. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Alan Armstrong" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:24 PM To: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. > I have been getting e-mails all day and very few actually about jukes! > > Can we move on? > > Wurlyman700 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Fri Aug 07 22:18:04 2009 > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. > > Luke, > You get the "Beacon of Reality" award for today. > Exactly what state of the art is (from at least 5 years ago) > Newbie Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "luke & lucy" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. > > >> As someone who has been on the list for over a year hoping someone can >> help me (a complete novice) fix my one and only jukebox, I think the >> message board would be a good idea for people in a similar position. As >> you wont know who i am i'll explain my situation. I posted when i joined >> asking for help with a rockola 478. I had a few replies, people tried to >> help and it did start a flurry of debate on the merits (or lack of) of >> microprocessors in jukes but I'm no further forward than I was a year ago >> (as some are a little sensitive right now I should point out I am >> genuinely very grateful for all the help and suggestions I recieved and >> am >> making no criticism - it is my bad luck that 99.9% of messages are >> irrelevant to me). I have since spent the last 12 months checking the >> list >> in the vain hope someone new joins with the knowledge that can help me. >> It >> seems to me that a lot of new members are here seeking help and if a >> message board was up and running they can check at a glance a database to >> see if this help is already there or leave a message one time only rather >> than asking every few months incase of new members. Surely the experts >> among you must get a little bored sometimes when the same help requests >> crop up every few months when if a message board was up and running you >> wouldnt need to reply again and again. I read someone the other day has a >> file printed out of all the useful stuff they had come across on the >> list -great idea but if this info was permanently available online for >> all we would ALL benefit. Both email and message boards have pros and >> cons >> but regardless of which is more time consuming the question should be >> which is more useful and helpful? I say go for it Kyle (or anyone else) >> thanks for your time >> Luke >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mechanical Music of S.F." >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 6:32 AM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. >> >> >> >> For those of you not familiar with message boards, I set up a sample one >> that could be implemented. >> >> I ask only that you suspend your inhibitions for a couple minute and take >> a look. >> I set this up in very little time. I know people hate change, but the >> old >> fashioned e-mail list was created before better technology came along. >> It's outdated and time consuming to use. >> This is just an example. The forums, colors, features, and layout can be >> altered. >> >> There's a sample post in the AMI/Rowe forum. No tedious reattachments, or >> having to open stuff individually. >> You see the original post, then all replies. I spend a lot of time >> administrating a very busy board every day (100 to 200 post per day, >> busier than The Rolling Stone's message board) and one reason I have >> stopped frequenting this list is that it's MUCH, MUCH more time consuming >> to go through. >> I'd be happy to turn the keys over to Jay if he likes it. >> >> With a message board, you can post links and photos and never have to >> search for replies to the original post on something, AND, you can >> immediately ignore any topic that doesn't interest you. >> You can also set up a profile making it incredibly easy for people to >> contact you and look up information about you and your jukeboxes, your >> location - anything helpful. >> >> Just take a look. The sample post I had to answer myself, but you'll get >> the idea. >> It takes no longer to sign into a message board than it does your e-mail. >> >> http://excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=24539 >> >> Kyle ~ >> Mechanical Music of San Francisco >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for >> Hotmail?. >> http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009_______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.45/2285 - Release Date: >> 08/06/09 >> 05:57:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 20:25:01 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Aug 7 20:26:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Sample message board. Not ideal ! In-Reply-To: <9A89D29294BA412DA7DA374CC9E2F2B9@TCSShop> Message-ID: <558649.24758.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 8/7/09, Steve Kline wrote: > If there is some way to CONTROL the OT stuff, then the old > way is fine. Otherwise, change the list to a forum. > OR, can we have a separate email list for those who want to > rant and bit*h about OT issues ( Steve, every technical list I subscribe to has occasional off topic "storms" and it's mainly because the people who subscribe to the list are intelligent and opinionated and love to engage in spirited conversation with others with whom they share something in common. The storms soon die down, unless, ironically, they are fed be people asking "Can't we drop this", or, in the most extreme case, "Can't we start a new [list,newsgroup,bulletin board] to get away from those who go off topic?" This conversation has been going on largely due to people who have complained about the detour and are trying to wrest this community asunder to ensure that such diversions don't take place in the future. If they'd just let the thread die, like so many OT threads in the past, we would have moved on. And, I would point out that there is nothing inherent in a bulletin board that prevents threads from going off-topic, unless said bulletin board enlists the services of a censor. From leovalk at hotmail.com Fri Aug 7 20:28:43 2009 From: leovalk at hotmail.com (leo valk) Date: Fri Aug 7 20:30:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Sample message board. Not ideal ! In-Reply-To: <9A89D29294BA412DA7DA374CC9E2F2B9@TCSShop> References: <8CBE573ED8FB68D-364-1966@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> <165664.75285.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9A89D29294BA412DA7DA374CC9E2F2B9@TCSShop> Message-ID: Hi Steve, It might be hard for you to understand that there are still people out there that HAVE to use dial up, whether they like it or not. Obviously you were just joking here, but seriously, it ain't funny when you can't have a fast connection. As far as the "Off topic" on the message board issue? That will stop eventually, just like the MJ related e-mails would have dried up! Being a "newbie", you need to realize, that you have to give subscribers to this list the chance to answer for themselves if they are in favor of a message board or not? After all, that was the question put up initially: Do the members of this list want a forum, or don't they? The only way to answer that and at the same time express their views is through responding in e-mails. Most of them apparently like the newsletter form and are just worried it will be taken away from them. Until the moment everyone who feels the need to respond to this important question has done so, it's my guess you'll have to deal with them. kind regards, Leo Wow, dial-up. Do you have a rotary dial phone too? > :-)) > Steve Newbie > From: y2kvette@verizon.net > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Sample message board. Not ideal ! > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:45:52 -0400 > > Friends, > You know the only reason this conversation exists is because of the > multitude of posts (emails) regarding one member who left and because > everyone got upset at the off topic (yes I just figured that out= OT). Then > everyone had to post a multitude of OT's relative to that for and against > and it is still going. When does the OT go away and the real emails' > continue? > > If there is some way to CONTROL the OT stuff, then the old way is fine. > Otherwise, change the list to a forum. OR, can we have a separate email > list for those who want to rant and bit*h about OT issues (Jukebox mailing > list for Bit*hing) so that the rest of us only have to deal with the > technical issues of jukeboxes and the pleasant commodarity of juking? > > Has this list always been this way? > Steve Newbie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "leo valk" > To: "helpdesk juukebox" > Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 6:54 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Sample message board. Not ideal ! > > > > > > I do agree with David (see below)strongly. Apart from what he says, I find > that with > > the way the mail list has been going, there's no real reason to change into > a message board. > > > > I think many list members would miss a lot of Q & A, simply for the fact you > have to log in to > > a message board, which only happens if you have a specific reason to do so. > > > > The current e-mail system on the other hand, is a constant reminder of juke > related > > issues. Many issues of members on a message board, would never find their > way to you, > > compared with what we have now. I for one, like reading about other peoples > problems > > and solutions given by the experts on out list. > > > > The format is now presented to us through the simple means of e-mail. It's > there > > for us to choose: Yes or no respond, keep or delete. Let's be honest here, > most of > > us wouldn't log in frequently enough to have access to the same quantity of > info > > that reaches us now. Probably o.k. for those who are only interested in > their own > > topic, but it won't benefit the members who have a question, as the response > is > > likely to be less. > > > > I have registered for other forums and found that I've only visited them > rarely > > after, when there was no real reason to visit them. So I stopped going to > forums. > > I am completely happy with this list format and think many of us will be > too! > > > > regards, Leo > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:10:05 -0700 > > From: david_breneman@yahoo.com > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Sample message board. > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > > > > > I don't see any enhanced utility in abandoning the > > well-established mailing list for a speculative > > "message board." It's no burden to delete threads > > that don't interest me here, and by dividing the > > expertise amongst several different venues, it just > > makes it harder to get a definitive answer to a > > question. Not to mention the fact that (in MHO) the > > message board format is fiddly and cumbersome. I > > also can envision a lot of threads devolving into > > "why does everyone here think that my problem is A-B-C, > > when over on the mailing list they are sure it's X-Y-Z?" > > Better to have a font of all knowledge than a river > > delta. :-) > > > > > > David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use Windows Live Messenger from your Hotmail inbox Web IM has arrived! > http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Use Windows Live Messenger from your Hotmail inbox Web IM has arrived! http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454 From superior57 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 7 19:12:23 2009 From: superior57 at hotmail.com (2 Much Stuff) Date: Fri Aug 7 20:31:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Shipping Question Message-ID: Thank you John for your reply. I will investigate those options. LH Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:00:50 -0700 From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Shipping Question To: Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <4A7A7FA2.7080806@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed 2 Much Stuff wrote: > Hello All, > I have a jukebox that a guy is interested in buying, the only problem is... he's in Europe (France) and neither he nor I knows how to get it over there. I could build a crate for it if necessary but I would prefer not to as I do not have much spare time right now. Does anyone have the name of a company or any contact information to help me with this? Has anyone shipped a jukebox to Europe before? > > Thank you very much, LH > > Hi LH, We ship jukes etc to Europe on a periodic basis - so I can help you a bit. First try and find a carrier that deals in LCL items (Less than Container Load). Check with them if crating is required and what the requirements are for the crate. For example - items from Canada destined for Europe - if crated - must be done with certified wood (pest free) and this usually requires the services of a professional crating company. Expect to pay somewhere between $200 to $300US for the crate. Crating is best for Ocean transport, it would be foolish not to crate in fact! Air transport is also a possible option - in some cases it costs no more than if you crated and shipped via Ocean, and you may not need anything more robust than a certified pallet (check the regulations on pallet requirements to Europe), with the jukebox strapped and wrapped in heavy cardboard (several layers!). Crating is recommended for more expensive machines of course - the product of a professional crating company can remove a lot of worry and make it possible to insure the item for any freight damage claims. We always recommend crating... If you can find a Freight Forwarder in your city they can help you with the process, and the documentation required (export forms, commercial invoice, harmonized codes...) that is required for the customers Customs clearance in their home country. They may cost a little more than a freight company but are very useful when you do not know the ropes. You could ask someone like Panalpina if they will process your shipment - we use them and are very pleased with the results. I do not know if they will ship for private individuals though. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 From kjq45 at att.net Fri Aug 7 20:32:56 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Fri Aug 7 20:43:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Reproduction 78-RPM records References: <211273.86934.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7DF2EA057DFD43488315EBA04B489392@D41XWQ61> You bring up some good points. Looking closely at the cut, it's hard to tell which stylus is used. A 1mil stylus plays them with excellent quality. Probably not 3mil. and yes, the 2.5mil was used for transcription, which I have hundreds. As far as title selection, I agree. It's like buying a Cd for one title. In the letter from Oldies.Com, it sounded as though title selections could be requested. I surely have a list I would submit. I too have picked up several rock-n-roll 78's on Ebay. There are some great original titles at very reasonable prices. I'm glad to hear there's someone besides myself collecting those old gems. UK import singles are also highly desirable. The vinyl far exceeds the US quality in the 60's and 70's. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Reproduction 78-RPM records > > > I've always shied away from these sets for two reasons. The > first is that I've never seen a reliable indication of exactly > what the groove width is. Some say the 1 mil LP width, in > which case they could not be intermixed with "real" 78s; > others say the transcription width of 2.5 mil, in which > case they could be intermixed, but might wear more than other > vinyl 78s. But I've never heard anyone claim that they are > cut with the standard 3 mil 78 groove width. > > The other reason is the "Wheat Vis-a-Vis Chaff" conundrum. > Every set of these records that I've seen has maybe 4 or 5 > selections (at most) that I'd really like, and a whole lot > of others that I don't care about, many of which I've > never even heard of. I just can't see myself paying > upwards of $200 for a couple dozen records, most of which I > don't want, when I can buy what I need via record auctions. > And, BTW, the weak economy seems to be helping here, > because just last month I got two V+ Little Richard 78s, > "Tutti Frutti" and "Long Tall Sally" for less than $10 > apiece. Those usually go for over $30, more likely $40. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tjmertz at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 7 20:55:29 2009 From: tjmertz at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Mertz) Date: Fri Aug 7 21:02:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Purple Amp. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <886506.80336.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I believe that is for a 1494. See here:http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Rock-Ola/R.O.Wandboxen.htm#36196-A TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on?Madison Public Schools --- On Fri, 8/7/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Purple Amp. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 10:10 PM I have a spare purple Rock-Ola amplifier, Model 36196-A. > In the service manual for the Rock-Ola 1484 Wall Phonograph, > it shows a Model 34725-A amp. >? > The physical appearance, wiring diagram and mounting holes all > appear identical, with the only difference being the model number. >? > Would anyone be able to advise me on which juke this amp goes with and > why there would be a difference in the model number. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Fri Aug 7 22:19:22 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Sat Aug 8 05:54:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman In-Reply-To: <653028.86054.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <779488.9320.qm@web96007.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi Ron and Fellow jukersLifted the basket (record carousel) of its spindle and found the drive pinion on the motor had most of the teeth worn down in the middle. Taking the motor/gearbox out found the armature had dropped and the motor was not driving the gearbox. All sorted now and running sweet. Love the mechanical problems... its those pesky electronics that trip me up.Cheers John --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 8:23 PM John, I may be all wet here, as it's been a long while since I (thankfully) have seen a 3400, but it seems that the motor is the "fly clutch, AC type" and that if it is not oiled, it tends to jam. Also, I think the basket is driven with an idler wheel, and it runs in my feeble mind that it can get "dirty" and "slip"--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/5/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 7:12 PM Hi, The juke goes thru the selection process without a hitch, the scan switch releases the carousel but the motor tends to either start to rotate or if u give the carousel a gentle push away it goes ... plays the selection and replaces the record again the carousel might turn or might just sit waiting for a helping hand... seems to have the odd stall when rotating then away it goes. Will lubricate the rollers on the carousel etc, but it seems to turn freely.regards John --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 12:43 PM John, Not quite sure what you are attempting to say here--can you re-phrase it ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/5/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 4:40 PM Ok folks back on track... Have a little problem thats developed.The carousel on my wurlitzer 3400 rotates when switched to scan, but on select will release but not rotate ..Any ideas..?Kind Regards John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From fraysha at telenet.be Sat Aug 8 03:31:48 2009 From: fraysha at telenet.be (franky Van De Velde) Date: Sat Aug 8 05:54:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 437 Ultra Gripper Motor Part Number ??? Message-ID: <2445716D144349E599D64B0FB5DFBF62@fraysha> hallo, y looking for a picture from gripper arm ensemble rock ola 437! have you it? fraysha@telenet.be fr From pinball at telus.net Sat Aug 8 08:01:10 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Aug 8 09:01:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chicago Coin's Hit Parade Parts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A7D9336.6040209@telus.net> Hans Minderman wrote: > Hi All, I'm in the process of restoring a Chicago Coin Hit Parade and I'm looking for parts. Specifically the torsion springs to the credit units, the inside decorative side panels and the marquee that sits on top. Does anyone have a parts jukebox that has these parts? Thanks, Hans > > If you have the part number and a brief description of the items you need I do have a fair collection of NOS Chi-Coin parts. A LOT of springs, and coils, plus mechanical bits and pieces - also some small PCBs (early sound effects and controllers) and some coin entry items. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pinball at telus.net Sat Aug 8 08:12:57 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Aug 8 09:02:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 437 Ultra Gripper Motor Part Number ??? In-Reply-To: <2445716D144349E599D64B0FB5DFBF62@fraysha> References: <2445716D144349E599D64B0FB5DFBF62@fraysha> Message-ID: <4A7D95F9.9020002@telus.net> franky Van De Velde wrote: > hallo, > y looking for a picture from gripper arm ensemble rock ola 437! > > have you it? > > fraysha@telenet.be > > > fr > Not your model exactly, however I do have a page on Rock-Ola grippers here: http://www.flippers.com/Rockola-tips.html Perhaps that will help? John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From lavin at cheqnet.net Sat Aug 8 10:54:45 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sat Aug 8 11:32:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Idler wheel Message-ID: <46279108DBBE4E7FB55B8BB3915E64A4@dennis1cb9fd78> HI - was wondering if anyone has a spare idler wheel for a 3600 wurlitzer ? I had sent mine out to get rebuilt, and it seems it was "lost" in the postal service's somewhere. They can't locate it :-( Thanks-Dennis Jukeboxdenny From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 8 11:23:50 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 8 11:33:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re:OT "Satellite"-was- Sample message board. Not ideal ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <960718.71280.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> JC, I dono but I see adverts. for? "Hughes" Satellite service, which looks like it may fill the bill for you--might check it out-- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 8/7/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Sample message board. Not ideal ! To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 8:03 PM Its not funny.It downright sucks. I suspect there are still millions? of people who live in rural areas and small towns that can not get high? speed internet. I'm less than 1/4 mile from where cable tv stops and even though? Verizon says to keep checking on their website a guy that works for them told me? that where I live I most likely will never get DSL service. Satellite(the only option left) is extremely expensive.You gotta buy? their equipment $500 worth to start and then it's still higher than DSL or? Cable. Why it can't be like Satellite TV service? from Directv or Dish? Network I dunno?They give you the equipment and installation practically just so? you subscribe to their service. J.C. In a message dated 8/7/2009 10:49:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? y2kvette@verizon.net writes: Wow,? dial-up.? Do you have a rotary dial phone too? :-)) Steve? Newbie ----- Original Message ----- From:? To: Cc:? Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 7:25 PM Subject:? Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Sample message board. Not ideal ! >I? agree. Keep it the way it is. > I belong to some forums and rarely visit? them anymore. One of them? being > Audiokarma since it was? mentioned. Mainly because I'm on dialup and it > takes so long to click? onto each message and read it.and then go back to > the > main? page .I'd be on the computer all evening? after work reading? forums > instead of working on my jukeboxes.? I can't go on the? computer at work > and > read my emails and forums like some? people do. I have to do all on my free > time > what little I? have. > > Some people? are still on dialup(I for one) and no? high speed is > available(I for one) unless they move or spend a fortune? for satellite > internet > which doesn't work that great. Forums? take too long to go through on slow > speed > dialup. I don't? even visit tv repair forums anymore and that's what I do > for a???living.Just way too time consuming of my limited free time. > >? Here I just read the emails. > They load instantly no waiting,especially? the? extremely long wait if > someone's post includes? pictures. > > I enjoy reading the expert's responses to jukes I? own as well as other > jukes I do not because I? am technically? curious and might be able to > help a > fellow local juke owner? because of knowledge I pick up here. > > > >? J.C. > > > > J __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 8 11:35:33 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 8 11:40:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman In-Reply-To: <779488.9320.qm@web96007.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <353263.80566.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi John, Thanks for the update--one question--what did you do about the worn teeth ?? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 8/7/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 10:19 PM Hi Ron and Fellow jukersLifted the basket (record carousel) of its spindle and found the drive pinion on the motor had most of the teeth worn down in the middle. Taking the motor/gearbox out found the armature had dropped and the motor was not driving the gearbox. All sorted now and running sweet. Love the mechanical problems... its those pesky electronics that trip me up.Cheers John --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 8:23 PM John, I may be all wet here, as it's been a long while since I (thankfully) have seen a 3400, but it seems that the motor is the "fly clutch, AC type" and that if it is not oiled, it tends to jam. Also, I think the basket is driven with an idler wheel, and it runs in my feeble mind that it can get "dirty" and "slip"--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/5/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 7:12 PM Hi, The juke goes thru the selection process without a hitch, the scan switch releases the carousel but the motor tends to either start to rotate or if u give the carousel a gentle push away it goes ... plays the selection and replaces the record again the carousel might turn or might just sit waiting for a helping hand... seems to have the odd stall when rotating then away it goes. Will lubricate the rollers on the carousel etc, but it seems to turn freely.regards John --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 12:43 PM John, Not quite sure what you are attempting to say here--can you re-phrase it ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/5/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 4:40 PM Ok folks back on track... Have a little problem thats developed.The carousel on my wurlitzer 3400 rotates when switched to scan, but on select will release but not rotate ..Any ideas..?Kind Regards John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 8 11:52:06 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 8 11:55:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chicago Coin's Hit Parade Parts In-Reply-To: <4A7D9336.6040209@telus.net> Message-ID: <550003.85315.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, What is this ? A ChiCoin "Bandbox" type unit ??? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/8/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chicago Coin's Hit Parade Parts To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 8:01 AM Hans Minderman wrote: > Hi All, I'm in the process of restoring a Chicago Coin Hit Parade and I'm looking for parts. Specifically the torsion springs to the credit units, the inside decorative side panels and the marquee that sits on top. Does anyone have a parts jukebox that has these parts? Thanks, Hans > >??? If you have the part number and a brief description of the items you need I do have a fair collection of NOS Chi-Coin parts. A LOT of springs, and coils, plus mechanical bits and pieces - also some small PCBs (early sound effects and controllers) and some coin entry items. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 8 11:58:11 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 8 12:00:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Idler wheel In-Reply-To: <46279108DBBE4E7FB55B8BB3915E64A4@dennis1cb9fd78> Message-ID: <229213.92345.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Denny, If no answers here, try Ed Crockett at Vintage Electronics 601-264-4755--M-F 8am-5PM CST--He probably has it-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Dennis and Sue wrote: From: Dennis and Sue Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Idler wheel To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 10:54 AM HI - was wondering if anyone has a spare idler wheel for a 3600 wurlitzer ? I had sent mine out to get rebuilt, and it seems it was "lost" in the postal service's somewhere. They can't locate it???:-( Thanks-Dennis Jukeboxdenny _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Sat Aug 8 13:05:20 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 8 13:20:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re:OT "Satellite"-was- Sample message board. Not ideal ! Message-ID: Unfortunately that's the only available service and you gotta buy your equipment which is implemented in your first year's payments.I ain't a paying $100 a month for internet service,no way. I'll live with dialup first. Its a shame I can't get VerizonFios.You get cable,internet and phone all in one for something like $99 a month.The cable company has some kind of similar deal but alas I'm out of range. I can look across my yard and see houses that have cable service but the cable company is funny like that.They will not go out any further.Must be awfully expensive for cable wire. Someone replied about cell phone service.of course I have a cell phone. I ain't got one those fancy(expensive I phones to go on the internet though) If I didn't need it for internet I wouldn't even have a home phone. A home phone is useless to me. Never use it.The only people that call my home phone are telemarketers.All my friends and relatives call the cell.They also know if my computer is on they can't get me on the home phone. J.C. In a message dated 8/8/2009 2:33:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: JC, I dono but I see adverts. for "Hughes" Satellite service, which looks like it may fill the bill for you--might check it out-- Ron Rich From oldjukes at hotmail.com Sat Aug 8 12:25:52 2009 From: oldjukes at hotmail.com (Hans Minderman) Date: Sat Aug 8 13:20:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chicago Coin's Hit Parade Parts In-Reply-To: <550003.85315.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4A7D9336.6040209@telus.net> <550003.85315.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, No, it is actually a small table top selective (10 selection) jukebox. Somewhat like a ristaucrat but a bit larger in size. If you browse google images for a chicago coin hit parade you'll find the picture. -Hans > Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:52:06 -0700 > From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chicago Coin's Hit Parade Parts > To: pinball@telus.net; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > CC: > > Hi All, > What is this ? A ChiCoin "Bandbox" type unit ? Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, John Robertson wrote: > > From: John Robertson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chicago Coin's Hit Parade Parts > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 8:01 AM > > Hans Minderman wrote: > > Hi All, I'm in the process of restoring a Chicago Coin Hit Parade and I'm looking for parts. Specifically the torsion springs to the credit units, the inside decorative side panels and the marquee that sits on top. Does anyone have a parts jukebox that has these parts? Thanks, Hans > > > > > If you have the part number and a brief description of the items you need I do have a fair collection of NOS Chi-Coin parts. A LOT of springs, and coils, plus mechanical bits and pieces - also some small PCBs (early sound effects and controllers) and some coin entry items. > > John :-#)# > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM From pinball at telus.net Sat Aug 8 12:24:56 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Aug 8 13:20:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman In-Reply-To: <779488.9320.qm@web96007.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <779488.9320.qm@web96007.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A7DD108.9060106@telus.net> John Wilson wrote: > Hi Ron and Fellow jukersLifted the basket (record carousel) of its spindle and found the drive pinion on the motor had most of the teeth worn down in the middle. Taking the motor/gearbox out found the armature had dropped and the motor was not driving the gearbox. All sorted now and running sweet. Love the mechanical problems... its those pesky electronics that trip me up.Cheers John > > If you only need a new nylon gear I believe I have those (NOS), I do have NOS motors with gears and maybe a good used one. As I recall on this motor the armature is supposed to drop - that stops the gearbox dead when power is removed - the armature lifts up to engage when power is applied. John :-#)# > --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: > > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Received: Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 8:23 PM > > John, > I may be all wet here, as it's been a long while since I (thankfully) have seen a 3400, but it seems that the motor is the "fly clutch, AC type" and that if it is not oiled, it tends to jam. Also, I think the basket is driven with an idler wheel, and it runs in my feeble mind that it can get "dirty" and "slip"--Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 8/5/09, John Wilson wrote: > > From: John Wilson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 7:12 PM > > Hi, The juke goes thru the selection process without a hitch, the scan switch releases the carousel but the motor tends to either start to rotate or if u give the carousel a gentle push away it goes ... plays the selection and replaces the record again the carousel might turn or might just sit waiting for a helping hand... seems to have the odd stall when rotating then away it goes. Will lubricate the rollers on the carousel etc, but it seems to turn freely.regards John > > > --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: > > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Received: Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 12:43 PM > > John, > Not quite sure what you are attempting to say here--can you re-phrase it ? Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 8/5/09, John Wilson wrote: > > From: John Wilson > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 4:40 PM > > Ok folks back on track... Have a little problem thats developed.The carousel on my wurlitzer 3400 rotates when switched to scan, but on select will release but not rotate ..Any ideas.. Kind Regards John > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jay at west.net Sat Aug 8 13:25:12 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Aug 8 13:32:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rural Internet service In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A7DDF28.5060604@west.net> Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > Someone replied about cell phone service.of course I have a cell phone. I > ain't got one those fancy(expensive I phones to go on the internet though) > If I didn't need it for internet I wouldn't even have a home phone. A home > phone is useless to me. Never use it.The only people that call my home phone > are telemarketers.All my friends and relatives call the cell.They also > know if my computer is on they can't get me on the home phone. You might inquire of your cellular carrier or a competing carrier if they have a USB or PCMCIA adapter for Internet. This plugs in to your computer and connects wirelessly to the cellular network. Should be cheaper than satellite. Probably best to take this private in the future or end it, topic drift and all that. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 8 13:45:05 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 8 15:41:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chicago Coin's Hit Parade Parts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <901632.98222.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks Hans--found it--don't think I have ever seen one before--- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Hans Minderman wrote: From: Hans Minderman Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Chicago Coin's Hit Parade Parts To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 12:25 PM Hi Ron, No, it is actually a small table top selective (10 selection) jukebox. Somewhat like a ristaucrat but a bit larger in size. If you browse google images for a chicago coin hit parade you'll find the picture. -Hans > Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:52:06 -0700 > From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chicago Coin's Hit Parade Parts > To: pinball@telus.net; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > CC: > > Hi All, > What is this ? A ChiCoin "Bandbox" type unit ????Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, John Robertson wrote: > > From: John Robertson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Chicago Coin's Hit Parade Parts > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 8:01 AM > > Hans Minderman wrote: > > Hi All, I'm in the process of restoring a Chicago Coin Hit Parade and I'm looking for parts. Specifically the torsion springs to the credit units, the inside decorative side panels and the marquee that sits on top. Does anyone have a parts jukebox that has these parts? Thanks, Hans > > > >??? > If you have the part number and a brief description of the items you need I do have a fair collection of NOS Chi-Coin parts. A LOT of springs, and coils, plus mechanical bits and pieces - also some small PCBs (early sound effects and controllers) and some coin entry items. > > John :-#)# > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Sat Aug 8 15:10:36 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Sat Aug 8 15:41:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman In-Reply-To: <353263.80566.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <881790.67812.qm@web96012.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Got over the worn teeth by using a washer to drop the motor assembly down a thickness, it is now driving on full teeth. --- On Sun, 9/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Sunday, 9 August, 2009, 6:35 AM Hi John, Thanks for the update--one question--what did you do about the worn teeth ?? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 8/7/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 10:19 PM Hi Ron and Fellow jukersLifted the basket (record carousel) of its spindle and found the drive pinion on the motor had most of the teeth worn down in the middle. Taking the motor/gearbox out found the armature had dropped and the motor was not driving the gearbox. All sorted now and running sweet. Love the mechanical problems... its those pesky electronics that trip me up.Cheers John --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 8:23 PM John, I may be all wet here, as it's been a long while since I (thankfully) have seen a 3400, but it seems that the motor is the "fly clutch, AC type" and that if it is not oiled, it tends to jam. Also, I think the basket is driven with an idler wheel, and it runs in my feeble mind that it can get "dirty" and "slip"--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/5/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 7:12 PM Hi, The juke goes thru the selection process without a hitch, the scan switch releases the carousel but the motor tends to either start to rotate or if u give the carousel a gentle push away it goes ... plays the selection and replaces the record again the carousel might turn or might just sit waiting for a helping hand... seems to have the odd stall when rotating then away it goes. Will lubricate the rollers on the carousel etc, but it seems to turn freely.regards John --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 12:43 PM John, Not quite sure what you are attempting to say here--can you re-phrase it ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/5/09, John Wilson wrote: From: John Wilson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Statesman To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 4:40 PM Ok folks back on track... Have a little problem thats developed.The carousel on my wurlitzer 3400 rotates when switched to scan, but on select will release but not rotate ..Any ideas..?Kind Regards John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Sat Aug 8 16:05:34 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sat Aug 8 16:23:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction Message-ID: Has anyone heard about the jukebox museum auction coming up in September? Hundreds of jukes were moved from Houston, Texas to Illinois. Go to this link for the details and a list of jukes on the auction block. http://www.auctionzip.com/Listings/671039.html From donshawnmyself at aol.com Sat Aug 8 16:29:01 2009 From: donshawnmyself at aol.com (donshawnmyself@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 8 16:39:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBE6972522CC77-DE4-FF@webmail-mh33.sysops.aol.com> Yes, These were from the Jukebox Museum in Houston. -----Original Message----- From: Glen Pitts To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, Aug 8, 2009 6:05 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction Has anyone heard about the jukebox museum auction coming up in September? Hundreds of jukes were moved from Houston, Texas to Illinois. Go to this link for the details and a list of jukes on the auction block. http://www.auctionzip.com/Listings/671039.html _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 17:19:55 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Sat Aug 8 18:46:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's a darn shame they moved these to IL to auction. If they had the auction in Houston, I'd have been able to have been there and bought a few pieces... :( Thomas On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Glen Pitts wrote: > Has anyone heard about the jukebox museum auction coming up in September? > Hundreds of jukes were moved from Houston, Texas to Illinois. Go to this > link for the details and a list of jukes on the auction block. > > http://www.auctionzip.com/Listings/671039.html > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From joe400f at shaw.ca Sat Aug 8 17:26:31 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sat Aug 8 18:46:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction References: Message-ID: <000c01ca1888$0b1ae010$cf844e18@compaq> This information was published in Jukebox Collector Magazine. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Pitts" To: Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 6:05 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction Has anyone heard about the jukebox museum auction coming up in September? Hundreds of jukes were moved from Houston, Texas to Illinois. Go to this link for the details and a list of jukes on the auction block. http://www.auctionzip.com/Listings/671039.html _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Aug 8 17:39:41 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Aug 8 18:46:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Source for Pickup Cable Message-ID: <957739.96462.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The background: Well, after two weeks of record setting temperatures here in the Puget Sound region (104F/40C in Seattle last Wednesday), we finally have a weekend cool enough that I can get back into my workshop and work on the pulse converter popping in the audio of my AMI G-200. It definitaly seems to be the cable from the pickup to the amp. I connected a tone generator to the amp with a patch cord, and no popping. Connecting the pickup cable, even without the pickup installed, loud popping. There was a splice in the cord, so I opened it up. The operator who had this before me had spliced the cable, and to bridge the ~3" gap in the shielding where the splice was, he simply wrapped a length of single-strand telco type wire around each end of the shield, then wadded up the ~8" of slack and wrapped tape around the whole thing. Didn't even solder it. So, decades corrosion taking its toll, I had an excellent antenna and air-gap detector spliced into the cable. So, the question: Does anyone know where to get this two-wire within a braided copper shield pickup cable, or something that will work as a good substitute? A quick check of Victory Glass' and Antique Electronic Supply's web sites came up empty. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From charlie.morgan at cox.net Sat Aug 8 17:42:08 2009 From: charlie.morgan at cox.net (Charlie Morgan) Date: Sat Aug 8 18:46:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanted: Seeburg Selector Pin Message-ID: <1CC12448DA7E48F285C3DB0A9430F17E@CharliePC> I am restoring a Seeburg HF100R and need one selector pin, spring, and contact (all three pieces). Anyone have extras I could buy from them? Should be the same as other mid-1950s Seeburg jukes I would guess. I have a picture here: http://www.resetdevice.com/pin.jpg Thanks, charlie.morgan@cox.net From DRB12345 at BellSouth.Net Sat Aug 8 18:05:59 2009 From: DRB12345 at BellSouth.Net (DRB12345) Date: Sat Aug 8 18:46:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "Seeburg Oil" ? In-Reply-To: 000301c60cfd$65a8fa70$6401a8c0@acer3f05b2af82 Message-ID: <6E837CA962894F83A0A9B0E8E4AFE2B1@N4IZPC> Do you still offer lubrication oil for SeeBurgs? If so, I am looking for a quart or at least 12 ounces or so. What would be the cost for such Oil, including the shipping to my address here in Charlotte, NC. From kjq45 at att.net Sat Aug 8 19:00:49 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sat Aug 8 19:23:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction References: Message-ID: <173950A14BB347A187C0F099C1B747F3@D41XWQ61> I would have loved to have one of the four Rock-Ola wall mount models. Dallas would have been a possibility, but not Illinois. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Teeter" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction > It's a darn shame they moved these to IL to auction. If they had the > auction > in Houston, I'd have been able to have been there and bought a few > pieces... :( > > > Thomas > > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Glen Pitts wrote: > >> Has anyone heard about the jukebox museum auction coming up in September? >> Hundreds of jukes were moved from Houston, Texas to Illinois. Go to >> this >> link for the details and a list of jukes on the auction block. >> >> http://www.auctionzip.com/Listings/671039.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Sat Aug 8 19:12:34 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Sat Aug 8 19:23:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanted: Seeburg Selector Pin In-Reply-To: <1CC12448DA7E48F285C3DB0A9430F17E@CharliePC> Message-ID: <273317.46736.qm@web96009.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Pop onto the www.jukebox-revival.com site they have them for 1:00 eu each.cheers John --- On Sun, 9/8/09, Charlie Morgan wrote: From: Charlie Morgan Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanted: Seeburg Selector Pin To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Sunday, 9 August, 2009, 12:42 PM I am restoring a Seeburg HF100R and need one selector pin, spring, and contact (all three pieces).? Anyone have extras I could buy from them?? Should be the same as other mid-1950s Seeburg jukes I would guess. I have a picture here: http://www.resetdevice.com/pin.jpg Thanks, charlie.morgan@cox.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Sat Aug 8 19:00:38 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Sat Aug 8 19:26:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re:OT "Satellite"-was- Sample message board. Notideal ! Message-ID: Just a note to you. I had a similar problem with a cable company in 1986 and complained to the Federal Regulator. Since my house was serviced by the water dept., the phone company and the post office it was deemed to be a "serviced area" and the Federal regulator ordered the cable company to provide service to my house at their cost and could only charge me the monthly service fee. My neighbours jumped on board and called me a hero. Wurlyman700! ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Sent: Sat Aug 08 16:05:20 2009 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re:OT "Satellite"-was- Sample message board. Notideal ! Unfortunately that's the only available service and you gotta buy your equipment which is implemented in your first year's payments.I ain't a paying $100 a month for internet service,no way. I'll live with dialup first. Its a shame I can't get VerizonFios.You get cable,internet and phone all in one for something like $99 a month.The cable company has some kind of similar deal but alas I'm out of range. I can look across my yard and see houses that have cable service but the cable company is funny like that.They will not go out any further.Must be awfully expensive for cable wire. Someone replied about cell phone service.of course I have a cell phone. I ain't got one those fancy(expensive I phones to go on the internet though) If I didn't need it for internet I wouldn't even have a home phone. A home phone is useless to me. Never use it.The only people that call my home phone are telemarketers.All my friends and relatives call the cell.They also know if my computer is on they can't get me on the home phone. J.C. In a message dated 8/8/2009 2:33:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: JC, I dono but I see adverts. for "Hughes" Satellite service, which looks like it may fill the bill for you--might check it out-- Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From juke1515 at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 19:40:10 2009 From: juke1515 at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Sat Aug 8 19:51:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI I 200 Selection Issue Message-ID: <9fb7065e0908081940m6235e561j6d5dd26588ed9d79@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I am so frustrated with my AMI I 200 (Turquoise Electrical) selection issues. It has been irratically selecting the wrong LETTER, while consistently getting the correct NUMBER. Example: I select B-13 and it plays C-13. I wait and make the B-13 selection again after record finishes and it plays C-13 again. I wait and select B-13 again and this time it plays A-13, I let it finish make the B-13 selection again and this time is plays B-13 like it's suppose to!!!! It might go on and play the next 3 songs correctly, before reverting back to missing the letter, sometimes by a single letter and sometimes by more than a single letter. Normally, it always gets the number correct. I had the pulse converter rebuilt years ago (Dan Colabuno) and it worked fine for several years, until it recently started doing what I have just described. As I recall the large capacitor in the junction box has been replaced. I truly believe the pulse generator and keyboard is fine and correct, I don't believe the problem is in the keyboard or pulse generator, however, I certainly could be wrong. Could it possibly be in the credit unit? The only reason I ask, is that when I establish credit (either red free play button under junction box or coin) I hear the credit unit "release" several seconds after credit is established. When I say "release" you can hear a single click, as if the credit wheel is moving after credit is established, this sometimes takes several seconds after credit is established. Just wasn't sure if the credit unit has anything to do with wrong selections? I know I need to determine whether it's in the pulse generator or pulse converter. At this point, I just don't know. It's just very frustrating for it to be so irregular in it's selecting. I am open to all the expertise from you AMI gurus. Sincerely, Berry Bell From SteveTischer at aol.com Sat Aug 8 20:00:00 2009 From: SteveTischer at aol.com (SteveTischer@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 8 20:09:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 8 Message-ID: In a message dated 8/8/2009 2:00:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jukebox-list-request@lists.netlojix.com writes: RE: Jukebox-list Digest This is great just the way it is I enjoy very much even though I don't have the knowledge to contribute yet I can only pass on what my Dad always told me "If it ain't broke don't fix it !!" **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From jay at west.net Sat Aug 8 20:13:44 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Aug 8 20:15:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI I 200 Selection Issue In-Reply-To: <9fb7065e0908081940m6235e561j6d5dd26588ed9d79@mail.gmail.com> References: <9fb7065e0908081940m6235e561j6d5dd26588ed9d79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A7E3EE8.7000006@west.net> Berry Bell wrote: > Hello, > > I am so frustrated with my AMI I 200 (Turquoise Electrical) selection > issues. It has been irratically selecting the wrong LETTER, while > consistently getting the correct NUMBER. Example: I select B-13 and it > plays C-13. I wait and make the B-13 selection again after record finishes > and it plays C-13 again. I wait and select B-13 again and this time it > plays A-13, I let it finish make the B-13 selection again and this time is > plays B-13 like it's suppose to!!!! It might go on and play the next 3 > songs correctly, before reverting back to missing the letter, sometimes by a > single letter and sometimes by more than a single letter. Normally, it > always gets the number correct. > > I had the pulse converter rebuilt years ago (Dan Colabuno) and it worked > fine for several years, until it recently started doing what I have just > described. As I recall the large capacitor in the junction box has been > replaced. I truly believe the pulse generator and keyboard is fine and > correct, I don't believe the problem is in the keyboard or pulse generator, > however, I certainly could be wrong. Do you have access to a wallbox for this machine? The AMIs of that era essentially have a stepper built in. A working wallbox would isolate it to the generator or receiver. You may also be able to count the clicks as the selection is written in to see if they vary. The contacts to the printed circuit wipers can get dirty, or it could be the keyboard switches as well. > Could it possibly be in the credit unit? The only reason I ask, is that > when I establish credit (either red free play button under junction box or > coin) I hear the credit unit "release" several seconds after credit is > established. When I say "release" you can hear a single click, as if the > credit wheel is moving after credit is established, this sometimes takes > several seconds after credit is established. Just wasn't sure if the credit > unit has anything to do with wrong selections? I would seriously doubt it. But you might want to check the DC power supply, as it could cause issues with relay timing in both the credit unit and pulse generator/receiver. Has teh selenium rectifier in the junction box been replaced? > I know I need to determine whether it's in the pulse generator or pulse > converter. At this point, I just don't know. It's just very frustrating > for it to be so irregular in it's selecting. I am open to all the expertise > from you AMI gurus. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 8 20:35:31 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 8 20:45:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "Seeburg Oil" ? In-Reply-To: <6E837CA962894F83A0A9B0E8E4AFE2B1@N4IZPC> Message-ID: <179244.83756.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yes--$15 post paid--1 Qt. Ron --- On Sat, 8/8/09, DRB12345 wrote: From: DRB12345 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "Seeburg Oil" ? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 6:05 PM Do you still offer lubrication oil for SeeBurgs? If so, I am looking for a quart or at least 12 ounces or so. What would be the cost for such Oil, including the shipping to my address here in Charlotte, NC. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mccrarydavid at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 8 20:43:11 2009 From: mccrarydavid at bellsouth.net (mccrarydavid) Date: Sat Aug 8 21:42:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanted: Seeburg Selector Pin Message-ID: <578D551BF51E479284D5D409264E0FB9@tricera> Charlie, Send me your address and I'll send you the parts...from an R pinbank. Hope this helps. Dave & Daphne: sonnygirl@cafes.net From lavin at cheqnet.net Sun Aug 9 07:35:48 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sun Aug 9 09:10:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Idler wheel References: <229213.92345.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <043EF8BCAA1B4C76BEBF2944D8F89E59@dennis1cb9fd78> Thank's Ron, I will wait a day or 2 and call him if I cant find one here . Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Idler wheel > Denny, > If no answers here, try Ed Crockett at Vintage Electronics > 601-264-4755--M-F 8am-5PM CST--He probably has it-- Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Dennis and Sue wrote: > > From: Dennis and Sue > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Idler wheel > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 10:54 AM > > HI - was wondering if anyone has a spare idler wheel for a 3600 wurlitzer > ? > > I had sent mine out to get rebuilt, and it seems it was "lost" in the > postal service's somewhere. They can't locate it :-( > > Thanks-Dennis > Jukeboxdenny > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.47/2290 - Release Date: 08/08/09 06:10:00 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 09:28:14 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Aug 9 10:13:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <427158.81488.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: > It's a darn shame they moved these to > IL to auction. If they had the auction > in Houston, I'd have been able to have been there and > bought a few pieces... :( Why would they do that; does it coincide with the annual Chicago jukebox show, or do they somehow assume that Illinois is "The Jukebox State". It doesn't say so on their license plates. From y2kvette at verizon.net Sun Aug 9 09:35:01 2009 From: y2kvette at verizon.net (Steve Kline) Date: Sun Aug 9 10:13:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re:OT "Satellite"-was- Sample message board. Notideal ! References: Message-ID: Jim, Mobile salesmen have been using their cell phones as an internet connection device in cars to connect their computers for years. See this link and search google for other info. http://mobileoffice.about.com/od/usingyourphone/a/cellmodem.htm Steve Newbie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re:OT "Satellite"-was- Sample message board. Notideal ! > Unfortunately that's the only available service and you gotta buy your > equipment which is implemented in your first year's payments.I ain't a > paying > $100 a month for internet service,no way. I'll live with dialup first. > > Its a shame I can't get VerizonFios.You get cable,internet and phone all > in one for something like $99 a month.The cable company has some kind of > similar deal but alas I'm out of range. I can look across my yard and see > houses that have cable service but the cable company is funny like > that.They > will not go out any further.Must be awfully expensive for cable wire. > > Someone replied about cell phone service.of course I have a cell phone. I > ain't got one those fancy(expensive I phones to go on the internet though) > If I didn't need it for internet I wouldn't even have a home phone. A home > phone is useless to me. Never use it.The only people that call my home > phone > are telemarketers.All my friends and relatives call the cell.They also > know if my computer is on they can't get me on the home phone. > > J.C. > > > > > In a message dated 8/8/2009 2:33:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: > > JC, > I dono but I see adverts. for "Hughes" Satellite service, which looks > like it may fill the bill for you--might check it out-- > Ron Rich > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From EJoh100112 at aol.com Sun Aug 9 10:20:00 2009 From: EJoh100112 at aol.com (EJoh100112@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 9 10:36:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction Message-ID: After studying the pictures I don't think the profit from the auction will cover the fuel from Houston. There is only a few decent pieces. Not worth the trip to Ill. Ed In a message dated 8/9/2009 10:13:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, david_breneman@yahoo.com writes: --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: > It's a darn shame they moved these to > IL to auction. If they had the auction > in Houston, I'd have been able to have been there and > bought a few pieces... :( Why would they do that; does it coincide with the annual Chicago jukebox show, or do they somehow assume that Illinois is "The Jukebox State". It doesn't say so on their license plates. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From berrycbell at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 10:23:27 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Sun Aug 9 10:36:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to hook up AMI wallbox to AMI I 200 Message-ID: Hello, Can anyone tell me the correct way to hook up an AMI 200 Wallbox to an AMI I 200 (Electrical version) jukebox? Can you help me identify the proper terminals to use on both the jukebox and wallbox? Many thanks, Berry Bell PS. I'm trying to troubleshoot a selection issue I have, to help determine if it's my pulse generator or pulse converter. From raker14 at tampabay.rr.com Sun Aug 9 10:39:08 2009 From: raker14 at tampabay.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sun Aug 9 14:29:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to hook up AMI wallbox to AMI I 200 References: Message-ID: need the model number of both ----- Original Message ----- From: "Berry Bell" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to hook up AMI wallbox to AMI I 200 > Hello, > > Can anyone tell me the correct way to hook up an AMI 200 Wallbox to an AMI > I > 200 (Electrical version) jukebox? Can you help me identify the proper > terminals to use on both the jukebox and wallbox? > > Many thanks, > Berry Bell > > PS. I'm trying to troubleshoot a selection issue I have, to help > determine > if it's my pulse generator or pulse converter. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Trollmasters at webtv.net Sun Aug 9 11:38:28 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Sun Aug 9 14:29:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-160 Message-ID: <1111-4A7F17A4-2325@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Just acquired a Seeburg AY 160. Early indications are that it has a problem in the selection system. When you have credits, if you press a letter first, it wont latch down. You have to press a number first, then ithe number will latch, and then you press the letter 2nd. Kind of backwards. Also, this juke has a TSU7 selection unit in it. Is that the correct one? I dont see a stepper unit on the TSU7 . thought it had to have at least the stepper unit installed as one or two of the relays in it usually have to be energised for proper operation. ?? I know I need to get the book on this , just looking for initial thoughts . Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From jgb890 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 9 12:47:21 2009 From: jgb890 at hotmail.com (jim Bobik) Date: Sun Aug 9 14:29:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Your right if "There are only a few decent pieces" why would anyone go no mater where it was? As for closeness to Chicago, Its about 270 miles from there. Not worth the trip either. Seems the people who brought them here have other Ideas. -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:20 PM To: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction > After studying the pictures I don't think the profit from the auction will > cover the fuel from Houston. There is only a few decent pieces. Not worth > the trip to Ill. > Ed > > > In a message dated 8/9/2009 10:13:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > david_breneman@yahoo.com writes: > > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: > >> It's a darn shame they moved these to >> IL to auction. If they had the auction >> in Houston, I'd have been able to have been there and >> bought a few pieces... :( > > Why would they do that; does it coincide with the annual > Chicago jukebox show, or do they somehow assume that > Illinois is "The Jukebox State". It doesn't say so > on their license plates. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From lavin at cheqnet.net Sun Aug 9 13:34:06 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sun Aug 9 14:29:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Idler wheel References: <229213.92345.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0374F3C205E140299FDEB3DDEFEF4945@dennis1cb9fd78> HI- I just ran across these idler wheels on ebay, they are listed as part number 124495. my 3600 book lists a 128032 wheel. anyone know what a 12445 wheel fit's ? Looks close to what I had... Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Idler wheel > Denny, > If no answers here, try Ed Crockett at Vintage Electronics > 601-264-4755--M-F 8am-5PM CST--He probably has it-- Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Dennis and Sue wrote: > > From: Dennis and Sue > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Idler wheel > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 10:54 AM > > HI - was wondering if anyone has a spare idler wheel for a 3600 wurlitzer > ? > > I had sent mine out to get rebuilt, and it seems it was "lost" in the > postal service's somewhere. They can't locate it :-( > > Thanks-Dennis > Jukeboxdenny > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.47/2290 - Release Date: 08/08/09 06:10:00 From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 13:47:06 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sun Aug 9 14:29:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sam's Photo Facts Schematic or Any Schematic Message-ID: <460446.79376.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, Does anyone know of a source for odd Schematics?? I am looking for several to repair some RCA 45 RPM Phonograph Amplifiers.? This is the same (nearly) turntable as used on the Ristaucrat Jukebox but likely a different model amplifier.? Thank You! David Wendell (In The Geritol Ghetto) From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Aug 9 12:53:39 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sun Aug 9 14:29:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 2410 Credit Unit Message-ID: Good afternoon, I am making some head-way on my temperamental Jukes, I put a new plug on the 1650 and we are up and running. I also needed to oil the motor, as the turn- table was running slow. On to the 2410. I re-cleaned all the contacts and replaced the fuse (there was a .05 A in) and still no luck. The coins don't register, they just drop through. Any thoughts would be apprecatedl In the meantime, off to clean the B Plunger in the 100C..wish me luck. (to be honest I love these little jobs to do, LOL) Thanks in advance, Jackie Dancin' Out From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 12:50:14 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Aug 9 14:30:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re:OT "Satellite"-was- Sample message board. Notideal ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <604671.23623.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Steve Kline wrote: > Mobile salesmen have been using their cell phones as an > internet connection device in cars to connect their > computers for years. I have an HP laptop with an AT&T 3G network card built into it and it works very well. Not gigabit ethernet, but not much slower than an office LAN. My employer (AT&T) provided it, and I understand that the "civilian" cost for service is the same as a cell phone. It even takes a SIMM card like a cell phone. So if you're going to be using one a lot, you should probably get a plan with unlimited minutes, like the ones they sell for the iPhones. Those things blast through a ton of air time. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 13:08:51 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Aug 9 14:30:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to hook up AMI wallbox to AMI I 200 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <218089.83196.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Berry Bell wrote: > Can anyone tell me the correct way to hook up an AMI 200 > Wallbox to an AMI I > 200 (Electrical version) jukebox? Can you help me > identify the proper > terminals to use on both the jukebox and wallbox? On the G (and, according to the diagram I have, the H as well, so hopefully this holds true for the I), the wall box connection is made to a terminal strip mounted vertically in the cabinet near the junction box. The four connections from top to bottom are AC/DC Common, AC, Signal and AC control. In the wall box, there is a terminal strip mounted horizontally in the lower left corner of the back of the case, and the connections from left to right are AC/DC Common, AC, Signal and AC control. Os they match up left to right, to top to bottom. From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Aug 9 14:32:56 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sun Aug 9 14:50:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2410 credit working Message-ID: <586BAB49-87B0-48D7-A803-703DC8CD4849@verizon.net> Hi again, well, don't know what worked, but I re-seated ALL the fuses in the box and tightened ALL the plugs and turned it on and I had credit!!! Now my question, for all those zillions of quarters I ran through the machine.....are they now registered as play credits? I've played a ton of songs and still have credit on the machine. A successful afternoon, Jackie Dancin' Out From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sun Aug 9 15:06:01 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sun Aug 9 15:07:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to hook up AMI wallbox to AMI I 200 References: <218089.83196.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0A80C2426C444746A7C938484D4CEE73@Graeme> Open up the back door on the left side of the cabinet you will see the terminal strip mounted vertically it is about six inches above the amp compartment. For a change it is very easy to access. David's post as to wiring is correct. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] How to hook up AMI wallbox to AMI I 200 > > --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Berry Bell wrote: > >> Can anyone tell me the correct way to hook up an AMI 200 >> Wallbox to an AMI I >> 200 (Electrical version) jukebox? Can you help me >> identify the proper >> terminals to use on both the jukebox and wallbox? > > On the G (and, according to the diagram I have, the H > as well, so hopefully this holds true for the I), the > wall box connection is made to a terminal strip mounted > vertically in the cabinet near the junction box. The > four connections from top to bottom are AC/DC Common, > AC, Signal and AC control. In the wall box, there > is a terminal strip mounted horizontally in the lower > left corner of the back of the case, and the connections > from left to right are AC/DC Common, AC, Signal and AC > control. Os they match up left to right, to top to bottom. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Aug 9 15:18:36 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Aug 9 15:22:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction References: Message-ID: <002901ca193f$595d4800$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Are you guys looking at the right photos? This is a fabulous collection of machines being auctioned. In 20 plus years of collecting, I've never even seen a Gabel in real life, and this guy had a half dozen. There are many early unusual machines I've only seen photos of listed here. The sheer number of machines, plus the fact that there are not very many duplicates make this a fantastic auction. I doubt you will see an auction like this any time soon. I'll be making the trip from Atlanta, and I can't wait to dig through that pile of parts. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim Bobik" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction > Your right if "There are only a few decent pieces" why would anyone go no > mater where it was? As for closeness to Chicago, Its about 270 miles from > there. Not worth the trip either. Seems the people who brought them here > have other Ideas. > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:20 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction > >> After studying the pictures I don't think the profit from the auction >> will >> cover the fuel from Houston. There is only a few decent pieces. Not worth >> the trip to Ill. >> Ed >> >> >> In a message dated 8/9/2009 10:13:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> david_breneman@yahoo.com writes: >> >> >> --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: >> >>> It's a darn shame they moved these to >>> IL to auction. If they had the auction >>> in Houston, I'd have been able to have been there and >>> bought a few pieces... :( >> >> Why would they do that; does it coincide with the annual >> Chicago jukebox show, or do they somehow assume that >> Illinois is "The Jukebox State". It doesn't say so >> on their license plates. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jay at west.net Sun Aug 9 15:20:02 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Aug 9 15:22:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2410 credit working In-Reply-To: <586BAB49-87B0-48D7-A803-703DC8CD4849@verizon.net> References: <586BAB49-87B0-48D7-A803-703DC8CD4849@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4A7F4B92.1000403@west.net> Jackie Elgie wrote: > Hi again, > well, don't know what worked, but I re-seated ALL the fuses in the box > and tightened ALL the plugs and turned it on and I had credit!!! > > Now my question, for all those zillions of quarters I ran through the > machine.....are they now registered as play credits? I've played a ton > of songs and still have credit on the machine. Check the Playrak mehanically. There are three spring-loaded toothed wheels that release from the action of the coin solenoids, one for each denomination. Sliders determine the number of credits per coin. When selections are made, a larger wheel subtracts one tick for each selection. I've seen Playrak wheels gummed up from old lubricant. Also a common method of free-play is to flip the spring on the subtract wheel to the other side of the pulley so it doesn't subtract. If this has been done everything looks OK at first glance but the credits never subtract. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 15:47:11 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Aug 9 15:53:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction In-Reply-To: <002901ca193f$595d4800$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <751269.62675.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 8/9/09, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: > Are you guys looking at the right > photos? Where are the pictures? I didn't see a link to pictures on the page whose URL was in the original message. From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Aug 9 15:49:41 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (Jackie Elgie) Date: Sun Aug 9 15:53:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2410 credit working In-Reply-To: <4A7F4B92.1000403@west.net> References: <586BAB49-87B0-48D7-A803-703DC8CD4849@verizon.net> <4A7F4B92.1000403@west.net> Message-ID: <1ED7CA44-7D37-4054-81BD-C0BD477EB7EF@verizon.net> Thanks Jay, I will address that later this evening. Jackie On Aug 9, 2009, at 6:20 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Jackie Elgie wrote: >> Hi again, >> well, don't know what worked, but I re-seated ALL the fuses in the >> box and tightened ALL the plugs and turned it on and I had credit!!! >> Now my question, for all those zillions of quarters I ran through >> the machine.....are they now registered as play credits? I've >> played a ton >> of songs and still have credit on the machine. > > Check the Playrak mehanically. There are three spring-loaded > toothed wheels that release from the action of the coin solenoids, > one for each denomination. Sliders determine the number of credits > per coin. > > When selections are made, a larger wheel subtracts one tick for each > selection. I've seen Playrak wheels gummed up from old lubricant. > > Also a common method of free-play is to flip the spring on the > subtract wheel to the other side of the pulley so it doesn't > subtract. If this has been done everything looks OK at first glance > but the credits never subtract. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From EJoh100112 at aol.com Sun Aug 9 16:00:13 2009 From: EJoh100112 at aol.com (EJoh100112@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 9 16:22:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction Message-ID: I guess you are right if you are looking for some rare machines for yourself. I look at it strictly as a restore and sell for profit. There is not a big market for these unusual boxes. It is really a problem for those missing parts. These are hard to find from machines made in such small numbers. If it was feasible I'm sure John would have completed them. For those of us that have been doing it a very long time, the thrill is gone. We have restored or worked on most of these models. Good luck to all of you who are going. I hope many of you find a treasure. Just be prepared to have a very long term project. Ed In a message dated 8/9/2009 3:22:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dirksenj@bellsouth.net writes: Are you guys looking at the right photos? This is a fabulous collection of machines being auctioned. In 20 plus years of collecting, I've never even seen a Gabel in real life, and this guy had a half dozen. There are many early unusual machines I've only seen photos of listed here. The sheer number of machines, plus the fact that there are not very many duplicates make this a fantastic auction. I doubt you will see an auction like this any time soon. I'll be making the trip from Atlanta, and I can't wait to dig through that pile of parts. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim Bobik" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction > Your right if "There are only a few decent pieces" why would anyone go no > mater where it was? As for closeness to Chicago, Its about 270 miles from > there. Not worth the trip either. Seems the people who brought them here > have other Ideas. > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:20 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction > >> After studying the pictures I don't think the profit from the auction >> will >> cover the fuel from Houston. There is only a few decent pieces. Not worth >> the trip to Ill. >> Ed >> >> >> In a message dated 8/9/2009 10:13:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> david_breneman@yahoo.com writes: >> >> >> --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: >> >>> It's a darn shame they moved these to >>> IL to auction. If they had the auction >>> in Houston, I'd have been able to have been there and >>> bought a few pieces... :( >> >> Why would they do that; does it coincide with the annual >> Chicago jukebox show, or do they somehow assume that >> Illinois is "The Jukebox State". It doesn't say so >> on their license plates. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Trollmasters at webtv.net Sun Aug 9 16:09:08 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Sun Aug 9 16:22:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-160 In-Reply-To: Trollmasters@webtv.net (James McClave)'s message of Sun, 9 Aug 2009 14:38:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1111-4A7F5714-2586@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Forgot to mention, this juke has an spuh pricing unit in it. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 16:18:28 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 9 16:22:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-160 In-Reply-To: <1111-4A7F17A4-2325@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <123682.95777.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, What is the model number of that phono ? Several different "AY"'s were made--- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/9/09, James McClave wrote: From: James McClave Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-160 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 11:38 AM Just acquired a Seeburg AY 160.? Early indications are that it has a problem in the selection system. When you have credits, if you press a letter first, it wont latch down. You have to press a number first, then ithe number will latch, and then you press the letter 2nd. Kind of backwards.? Also, this juke has a TSU7 selection unit in it. Is that the correct one? I dont see a stepper unit on the TSU7 . thought it had to have at least the stepper unit installed as one or two of the relays in it usually have to be energised for proper operation. ??? I know I need to get the book on this , just looking for initial thoughts . Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 16:22:38 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 9 16:28:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 2410 Credit Unit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <943473.90404.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Jackie, On the 2410--which type of "credit unit" is used, and why did you replace the fuse ? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 2410 Credit Unit To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 12:53 PM Good afternoon, I am making some head-way on my temperamental Jukes, I put a new plug on the 1650 and we are up and running.? I also needed to oil the motor, as the turn- table was running slow. On to the 2410.? I re-cleaned all the contacts and replaced the fuse (there was a .05 A in) and still no luck.? The coins don't register, they just drop through.? Any thoughts would be apprecatedl In the meantime, off to clean the B Plunger in the 100C..wish me luck.? (to be honest I love these little jobs to do, LOL)? Thanks in advance, Jackie Dancin' Out _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 16:27:18 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 9 16:39:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sam's Photo Facts Schematic or Any Schematic In-Reply-To: <460446.79376.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <725330.81337.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dave, Check out www.phonoLand.com?? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/9/09, david wendell wrote: From: david wendell Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sam's Photo Facts Schematic or Any Schematic To: "jukebox list" Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:47 PM Hi All, Does anyone know of a source for odd Schematics?? I am looking for several to repair some RCA 45 RPM Phonograph Amplifiers.? This is the same (nearly) turntable as used on the Ristaucrat Jukebox but likely a different model amplifier.? Thank You! David Wendell (In The Geritol Ghetto) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Sun Aug 9 16:28:20 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Sun Aug 9 16:39:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Gearset Message-ID: <405520.88015.qm@web96005.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Anybody out there with a gear set for a seeburg mech 60hz to 50hz conversion.Cheers john? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 16:31:02 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 9 16:39:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2410 credit working In-Reply-To: <586BAB49-87B0-48D7-A803-703DC8CD4849@verizon.net> Message-ID: <788744.94118.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, By any chance does that phono use "white Nylon" type plugs ? Your answer to this credit question depends on your answer to the other question, which I ain't seen the answer too--yet--Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Jackie Elgie wrote: From: Jackie Elgie Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2410 credit working To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 2:32 PM Hi again, well, don't know what worked, but I re-seated ALL the fuses in the box and tightened ALL the plugs and turned it on and I had credit!!! Now my question, for all those zillions of quarters I ran through the machine.....are they now registered as play credits?? I've played a ton of songs and still have credit on the machine. A successful afternoon, Jackie Dancin' Out _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sun Aug 9 17:51:11 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sun Aug 9 18:56:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Gearset References: <405520.88015.qm@web96005.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I used a frequency convertor no changing gears just plug in and play no cutting wires. I would not use the gears. If the speed is a little out there is an dial to increase or decrease. Mine was spot on, in my "R" I did not have to adjust the speed. All you have to do is pull out one of the plugs to the amp, plug in the convertor piggy back plug and then plug the existing plug in and done. www.jukeboxparts.co.uk/Frequency-Convertor.htm The site just shows the frequency but they also have them for voltage to 220/240 volt. I think you on New Zealand are the same as us in Australia 240 volt. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wilson" To: Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 9:28 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Gearset Anybody out there with a gear set for a seeburg mech 60hz to 50hz conversion.Cheers john _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From amej at ix.netcom.com Sun Aug 9 18:19:57 2009 From: amej at ix.netcom.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Sun Aug 9 20:27:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-74 Preamp Board Message-ID: <4A7F75BD.2030103@ix.netcom.com> Hi All, Finally, I can post a request! I changed out all of the capacitors in my Rowe R-74 64 Watt Amplifier. After all these years, I an back using Solder-Wick and a Weller Soldering Station. Before I started, I tested the system (and lubed it). A few strange things happened. First, the credit computer did not work. I found the belt to the Search Motor was broken. Someone used a Pinball Bumper for a belt. I replaced it with two o-rings from a Harbor Freight O-ring Kit. Problem solved. Thanks to James Alexander, I got myself out of trouble in realigning the Transfer Arm- Cam & Trunnion Gear sync. Now, I was able to make selections and play. However, there was no audio. I injected line audio from an MP3 Player into the Amp Test Inputs. It sounded great! I stopped and ordered the capacitors (just in case). After I installed the capacitors and replaced several trim pots, I still did not have audio. I made up extension cables to the Jukebox and had the amplifier on my bench. In troubleshooting, I found that the remote Volume Control was the problem; or should I say, I was the problem! The Volume Control was at minimum - stupid me.... I played a record to find the audio was very distorted. Back to the bench. I found the Right Channel of the Preamp was extremely low. Injecting a 1 kHz sine-wave and viewing on my scope, I confirmed that the channel was dead. However, I have not been able to determine the component failure. Transistors are soldered in so I will have to do more testing. In the mean time I would like to purchase another Preamp board so I can get the unit playing. Do they exist? P/N: 602-03758 I noted that some of the transistors have Rowe numbers and do not cross reference. Q1, Q2, Q6 & Q7 are 2N5209. I have substitutes for these. Are there substitutes for Q4, Q8-Q11? Any help would be appreciated! Dick Habegger Phelan, CA From jgb890 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 9 19:49:55 2009 From: jgb890 at hotmail.com (jim Bobik) Date: Sun Aug 9 20:28:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction In-Reply-To: <002901ca193f$595d4800$6101a8c0@Dirksen> References: <002901ca193f$595d4800$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: Someone finally with some brains, I was being sarcastic as it seems no one wants to see an auction move, but it will be good no mater where it is. As for Illinois, that makes it very close to me. -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 5:18 PM To: "Jukebox mailing list" Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction > Are you guys looking at the right photos? This is a fabulous collection of > machines being auctioned. In 20 plus years of collecting, I've never even > seen a Gabel in real life, and this guy had a half dozen. There are many > early unusual machines I've only seen photos of listed here. The sheer > number of machines, plus the fact that there are not very many duplicates > make this a fantastic auction. I doubt you will see an auction like this > any time soon. I'll be making the trip from Atlanta, and I can't wait to > dig through that pile of parts. > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jim Bobik" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 3:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction > > >> Your right if "There are only a few decent pieces" why would anyone go >> no mater where it was? As for closeness to Chicago, Its about 270 miles >> from there. Not worth the trip either. Seems the people who brought them >> here have other Ideas. >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: >> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:20 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Museum Auction >> >>> After studying the pictures I don't think the profit from the auction >>> will >>> cover the fuel from Houston. There is only a few decent pieces. Not >>> worth >>> the trip to Ill. >>> Ed >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 8/9/2009 10:13:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >>> david_breneman@yahoo.com writes: >>> >>> >>> --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: >>> >>>> It's a darn shame they moved these to >>>> IL to auction. If they had the auction >>>> in Houston, I'd have been able to have been there and >>>> bought a few pieces... :( >>> >>> Why would they do that; does it coincide with the annual >>> Chicago jukebox show, or do they somehow assume that >>> Illinois is "The Jukebox State". It doesn't say so >>> on their license plates. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jay at west.net Sun Aug 9 21:50:20 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Aug 9 22:11:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Schematics for RCA changers RP168 and RP190 In-Reply-To: <460446.79376.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <460446.79376.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A7FA70C.8060008@west.net> david wendell wrote: > Hi All, > > Does anyone know of a source for odd Schematics? I am looking for several to repair some RCA 45 RPM Phonograph Amplifiers. This is the same (nearly) turntable as used on the Ristaucrat Jukebox but likely a different model amplifier. Thank You! There were several amplifiers used with the small RCA changers. Can you provide a model number or at least a tube complement? Here are some possibilities: http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5276/rca6ey3abnb2.jpg There's at least one website dedicated to these little changers. See http://personal.linkline.com/edsel/45player.htm This site links (dead link, unfortunately) to a collection of schematics. Archive.org shows the old pages but not the actual schematics. I have a few examples of these units, both the RP-168 and RP-190. One of them is fairly impressive with an amplifier consisting of a push-pull pair of 35L6 tubes. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From Trollmasters at webtv.net Sun Aug 9 22:15:08 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Sun Aug 9 22:34:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-160 In-Reply-To: Ron Rich 's message of Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1110-4A7FACDC-3478@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Seeburg AY-160 has also stamped "SHR2" on the ID plate. It has a SHFA4 amp in it, a TSU--7 and a SPU1-H credit unit. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From commerciale at baldi.it Mon Aug 10 01:23:06 2009 From: commerciale at baldi.it (BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti) Date: Mon Aug 10 01:38:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100G Message-ID: Hi, my name is Stefano and I'm new user of this jukebox-list. I'm writing from Italy and I have a problem with my Seeburg HF100G. This is my situation: When I select a song of the side b of the disc, the jukebox play the disc but successively he does not cancel the selection and he continues to play the same disc. This happens alone with all the selections of the side B of the disc. I have seen that under pinbank the pin he does not come put to place and therefore I remain active. This my question: Why the device that cancels the selection works alone with the side A of discs and not with the side B? and how it works ? I haven't found no information or figure that describes how it works. please help me :-) Thanks. Stefano. From jagermn at hotmail.com Mon Aug 10 03:52:21 2009 From: jagermn at hotmail.com (jgr .) Date: Mon Aug 10 08:06:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola humm Message-ID: check tone arm cartrige for lose or shorted wire, I have also found a bad cartrige to cause a humm. If you need a cartrige and cant find one, they (M44) are available through most D.J. suppliers _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 05:20:20 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Mon Aug 10 08:06:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sam's Photo Facts Schematic or Any Schematic Message-ID: <211629.96901.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron and Jay, Thank You both! Those are great web sites. I found some information on these old machines on other web sites but these are probably best. One of the amps I have is the 35L6 push/pull and I look forward to hearing that one. I bought a few of these old machines through the last 40 years anticipating having a jukebox with the RCA changer but never found just the right one (still looking). There are a lot of variations on these machines such as a red but transparent spindle top model. That looks really cool. They even came in console machines. The idler wheels and cycle wheels are available as is a kit to rebuild the cycle wheel yourself. David Wendell (Geritol Ghetto Dweller) From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 06:08:45 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Mon Aug 10 08:06:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My CD list for my Jukebox In-Reply-To: <248387.73701.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <933449.2828.qm@web63206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Well I never really was a pink floyd fan to be honest....I'm not really a MJ fan either,but I do have some of his songs on my billboard & rock n roll reunion cd's..I wish I could make some juke peeps candy lol;Im sure someone has made choc to look like a jukebox lmao....I plan on asking my fiance' to a 1st dance from the 1st song I plan on playing after all of the testing is done...."I go crazy"...a nice slow dance song....I'm sorry the xmas cd's in the juke can't be helped...I asked my fiance' what she wanted me to include & the TSO was one of them;the others were my idea.I know not much C&W either;those that were included were also her idea...on a side note: i have pics of all of the cd covers,and I want to shrink them down to about 1" square & have them print out 1" square as well;how do I do that??? Thanks! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Mon, 7/20/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My CD list for my Jukebox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 10:54 PM --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Ken wrote: > Hello there juke peeps! Hey, that would make a great Easter candy!? :-) > Please let me know what you think of my selections;... No Pink Floyd?? I even have "Have A Cigar"/"Wish You Were Here" as a 45 in my AMI G-200.? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 06:25:55 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Mon Aug 10 08:06:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: My CD list for my Jukebox In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <436868.45669.qm@web63204.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Well..I do have Bruce's greatest hits cd included;doesn't that count?? Hahaha.....it was her idea for the TSO cd;I picked out the 2 billboard ones.I wasn't planning on putting in xmas cds until the season;but since I have all of those other b'board ones I thought it would go along with the theme.I didn't include any Elvis or MJ cds either;but they both have songs on the cds I did pick.I'm almost done putting in the title cards ( plain ones for now;fancy ones later) and after that I'll clean the cd slots &? the cd reader eye & then load the discs. having the serice & parts manual makes it easy to figure out what to do,and the P.O. wrote down how to run the full initialize on a seperate card;so I'm all set..The woman even wants me to set up remote speakers or even a remote wallbox once the juke is ready to play....that's cool she's into it as well but I have no clue on how to do that yet.One thing at a time......I'll keep the list posted....Thanks! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: From: Mechanical Music of S.F. Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: My CD list for my Jukebox To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 6:43 PM Um, I like the Barry Manilow and stuff - it's not that, it's all the CHRISTMAS MUSIC! That's seasonal stuff, and if you do like we did in vending, you put it in on the first page during the season.? it gives you something to look forward to. I can't believe you have forsaken "Born In the USA" for 3 or 4 Christmas CDs. Shameful! Don't forget to run a Full Initialize once they're in place.? It scans the disks for their track numbers and makes indexing/changing faster. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 06:34:01 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Mon Aug 10 08:06:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My CD list for my Jukebox In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <720193.68363.qm@web63207.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hehe that's cool......OK I'll keep your recommendations in mind.I like the ones you picked out;I just like the others better ....lol.I may rotate my selections from time to time.You gotta admit though-having all of those GH & top 10 cds saves a TON of space & makes the selection process much easier.I'm planning on having a jukebox party sometime this fall or late summer.you're all invited haha....thanks for your input! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Mike Marsh wrote: From: Mike Marsh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] My CD list for my Jukebox To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 6:31 PM Looks pretty good. But Lose Abba, Air Supply, and Barry; and replace them with Aerosmith, Cheap Trick and Chuck Berry (hey that rhymes!) Have Fun, Mike > Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:37:06 -0700 > From: speedracer13440@yahoo.com > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > CC: > Subject: [Jukebox-list] My CD list for my Jukebox > > Hello there juke peeps! OK I have finally settled on 100 cd's for my cd jukebox;a '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51.Please let me know what you think of my selections;and please feel free to voice your opinion as to what YOU would have loaded in my juke if it was yours.First part of the list is the cd's that made the cut;the other part are cd's that didn't make the cut.I know I'm gonna catch some flack over not having any Elvis Cd's in it (haha) but the only one I had has 30 tracks on it;too many to print on a title card.I'd love to see what your list would look like. > CDS THAT MADE THE CUT > 1. ABBA - GREATEST HITS > 2. AIR SUPPLY - ULTIMATE AIR SUPPLY > 3. BARRY MANILOW - ULTIMATE MANILOW > 4. BILLBOARD GREATEST CHRISTMAS HITS - 1935 TO 1954 > 5. BILLBOARD GREATEST CHRISTMAS HITS - 1955 TO PRESENT > 6. BILLBOARD POP MEMORIES - 1940 TO 1944 > 7. BILLBOARD POP MEMORIES - 1945 TO 1949 > 8. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1955 > 9. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1956 > 10. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1957 > 11. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1958 > 12. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1959 > 13. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1960 > 14. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1961 > 15. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1962 > 16. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1963 > 17. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1964 > 18. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1965 > 19. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1966 > 20. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1967 > 21. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1968 > 22. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1969 > 23. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1970 > 24. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1971 > 25. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1972 > 26. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1973 > 27. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1974 > 28. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1975 > 29. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1976 > 30. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1977 > 31. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1978 > 32. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1979 > 33. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1980 > 34. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1981 > 35. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1982 > 36. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1983 > 37. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1984 > 38. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1985 > 39. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1986 > 40. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1987 > 41. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1988 > 42. BILLBOARD TOP HITS - 1989 > 43. BILLY JOEL - THE ESSENTIAL COLLECTION - DISC 1 > 44. BILLY JOEL - THE ESSENTIAL COLLECTION - DISC 2 > 45. BLAKE SHELTON - BLAKE SHELTON > 46. BLONDIE - GREATEST HITS > 47. BOSTON - GREATEST HITS > 48. BOZ SCAGGS - HITS! > 49. BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN - GREATEST HITS > 50. CARPENTERS - SINGLES 1969 TO 1981 > 51. CHICAGO - THE VERY BEST OF - DISC 1 > 52. CHICAGO - THE VERY BEST OF - DISC 2 > 53. DEF LEPPARD - VAULT (GREATEST HITS) > 54. ELTON JOHN - GREATEST HITS > 55. ELTON JOHN - GREATEST HITS VOL. 2 > 56. ELTON JOHN - GREATEST HITS VOL. 3 > 57. ELTON JOHN - LIVE IN AUSTRAILIA > 58. FOREIGNER - COMPLETE GREATEST HITS > 59. GARTH BROOKS - DOUBLE LIVE DISC 1 > 60. GARTH BROOKS - DOUBLE LIVE DISC 2 > 61. HALL & OATES - THE VERY BEST OF > 62. HEART - GREATEST HITS 1985 TO 1995 > 63. JOHN MELLENCAMP -THE BEST THAT I COULD DO -'78 TO '88 > 64. JOURNEY - GREATEST HITS > 65. LIONEL RICHIE - THE BEST OF > 66. LITTLE RIVER BAND - GREATEST HITS > 67. OLIVIA NEWTON JOHN - THE ESSENTIAL COLL. -'71 TO '92 > 68. PAT BENATAR - BEST SHOTS > 69. PHIL COLLINS - HITS > 70. REO SPEEDWAGON - THE HITS > 71. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1955 > 72. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1956 > 73. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1957 > 74. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1958 > 75. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1959 > 76. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1960 > 77. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1961 > 78. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1962 > 79. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1963 > 80. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1964 > 81. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1965 > 82. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1966 > 83. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1967 > 84. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1968 > 85. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1969 > 86. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1970 > 87. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1971 > 88. ROCK & ROLL REUNION - 1972 > 89. STYX - CLASSICS (GREATEST HITS) > 90. SUPERTRAMP - CLASSICS > 91. SURVIVOR - GREATEST HITS > 92. THE CAPTAIN & TENNILLE - THE COMPLETE HITS > 93. THE CARS - GREATEST HITS > 94. THE CHARLIE DANIELS BAND - A DECADE OF HITS > 95. THE WHO - GREATEST HITS > 96. TOBY KEITH - GREATEST HITS VOL. 1 > 97. TOBY KEITH - GREATEST HITS VOL. 2 > 98. TOBY KEITH - UNLEASHED > 99. TOM PETTY & THE HEARTBREAKERS - GREATEST HITS > 100. TRANS SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA - THE LOST CHRISTMAS EVE >? > CDS THAT DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT > 1. THE B-52'S - TIME CAPSULE > 2. THE FABULOUS 40'S - 4 DISC SET > 3. ELTON JOHN - CAPT. FANTASTIC & THE BROWN DIRT COWBOY > 4. ELTON JOHN - SLEEPING WITH THE PAST > 5. ELTON JOHN - ELTON JOHN > 6. MARIAH CAREY - #1'S > 7. ELVIS - 30 #1 HITS > 8. CHEAP TRICK - GREATEST HITS > 9. THE BEAVIS & BUTTHEAD EXPERIENCE > 10. BETTE MIDLER - GREATEST HITS > 11. STING & THE POLICE - THE VERY BEST OF > 12. SOUTH PARK - BIGGER,LONGER & UNCUT(SOUNDTRACK) > 13. THE BEST OF CHRISTMAS > 14. POP & SOUL HOLIDAY HITS - VOL. 2 > 15. BEE GEES - GREATEST HITS - 2 DISC SET > 16. ELTON JOHN - ONE NIGHT ONLY > 17. BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN - BORN IN THE USA > 18. AEROSMITH - GREATEST HITS > 19. AMERICA - GREATEST HITS > 20. BOB SEGER - GREATEST HITS > 21. THE FABULOUS 50'S - 3 DISC SET > 22. THE VERY BEST OF JACKSON BROWNE - 2 DISC SET > 23. STEVE MILLER BAND - GREATEST HITS '74 TO '78 > 24. EARTH WIND & FIRE - GREATEST HITS > 25. CHUCK BERRY - GREATEST HITS > 26. KENNY CHESNEY - GREATEST HITS > 27. MEAT LOAF - BAT OUT OF HELL > 28. THE DOOBIE BROS. - BEST OF THE DOOBIES - 2 DISC SET > 29. DICKIE GOODMAN - GREATEST FABLES > 30. ELTON JOHN - THE BIG PICTURE > 31. ELTON JOHN - PEACHTREE ROAD >? > Looking forward to your opinions! > Ken > '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 > '70 GTB Baseball > > >? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From march at kippvisual.com Mon Aug 10 06:58:37 2009 From: march at kippvisual.com (Marc Hess) Date: Mon Aug 10 08:06:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Hum Message-ID: I have a 1428 with a electrical hum when the motor starts up does anyone have any ideas how to fix this. Thanks Marc Hess Pres. kippvisual.com From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Aug 10 09:31:56 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (19k20@comcast.net) Date: Mon Aug 10 09:38:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New City IV video Message-ID: <1620037625.10478111249921916764.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> As promised,? a classic Van Halen tune on the City IV.? Plays nice and loud but probably needs cap job as stereo/mono switch on the central unit does not appear to make any difference.? Noticed this when I listened for the guitar into on Scorpions, Rock You Like A Hurricane....almost didn't hear it.... Anyways....enjoy. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/NSM/City%20IV/CityIV.wmv SSG Rich From bud43 at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 10 08:07:41 2009 From: bud43 at sbcglobal.net (Howard Wintermantel) Date: Mon Aug 10 09:38:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Schematics for RCA changers RP168 and RP190 In-Reply-To: <4A7FA70C.8060008@west.net> Message-ID: <660081.33229.qm@web82401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> David, Try either of these. Hope this helps Bud Magalia Ca. Beyond Paradise http://oldtech.net/RCA.html ? http://oldtech.net/TT.html ? ? ? --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Schematics for RCA changers RP168 and RP190 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 9:50 PM david wendell wrote: > Hi All, > > Does anyone know of a source for odd Schematics?? I am looking for several to repair some RCA 45 RPM Phonograph Amplifiers.? This is the same (nearly) turntable as used on the Ristaucrat Jukebox but likely a different model amplifier.? Thank You! There were several amplifiers used with the small RCA changers.? Can you provide a model number or at least a tube complement?? Here are some possibilities: http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5276/rca6ey3abnb2.jpg There's at least one website dedicated to these little changers.? See http://personal.linkline.com/edsel/45player.htm This site links (dead link, unfortunately) to a collection of schematics.? Archive.org shows the old pages but not the actual schematics. I have a few examples of these units, both the RP-168 and RP-190.? One of them is fairly impressive with an amplifier consisting of a push-pull pair of 35L6 tubes. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Mon Aug 10 08:16:06 2009 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Mon Aug 10 09:38:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Gearset References: <405520.88015.qm@web96005.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <493C690DA55B43A6B91A7307B15AD608@PAW> John: I've got a set of 50hz gears. contact me directly. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Please respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND Anybody out there with a gear set for a seeburg mech 60hz to 50hz conversion.Cheers john _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 08:21:46 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 10 09:38:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-160 In-Reply-To: <1110-4A7FACDC-3478@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <71977.42564.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Since you don't leave the older posts up to re-read---I can't remember what your question was now ?? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/9/09, James McClave wrote: From: James McClave Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-160 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:15 PM Seeburg AY-160 has also stamped "SHR2" on the ID plate. It has a SHFA4 amp in it, a TSU--7 and a SPU1-H? credit unit.? Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 08:28:59 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 10 09:38:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100G In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <518241.11172.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Stefano, Welcome ! Your problem is that the plunger has "stuck" inside of the coil housing. You have two options. The best one is to dis-assemble the coil and plunger and clean it. The second one may or may or may not work. It is to bend a "paper clip" or something like that into a position to manually push the plunger free (look at the other coil while it works). This may or may not last. Of course, it's also possible that the coil is not connected, or has burned out, but this is very rare. Good luck, Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/10/09, BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti wrote: From: BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100G To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 1:23 AM Hi, my name is Stefano and I'm new user of this jukebox-list. I'm writing from Italy and I have a problem with my Seeburg HF100G. This is my situation: When I select a song of the side b of the disc, the jukebox play the disc but successively he does not cancel the selection and he continues to play the same disc. This happens alone with all the selections of the side B of the disc. I have seen that under pinbank the pin he does not come put to place and therefore I remain active. This my question: Why the device that cancels the selection works alone with the side A of discs and not with the side B? and how it works ? I haven't found no information or figure that describes how it works. please help me :-) Thanks. Stefano. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 08:37:01 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 10 09:39:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Hum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <736070.78481.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Marc, Sure--don't start the motor !? All kidding aside, make a selection, and un-plug the motor.? Hum still there ? If so, you probably need to have the amplifier rebuilt.? If NOT there, motor has a problem, most likely (could be other things here too). Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Marc Hess wrote: From: Marc Hess Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Hum To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:58 AM I have a 1428 with a electrical hum when the motor starts up does anyone have any ideas how to fix this. Thanks Marc Hess Pres. kippvisual.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 08:41:19 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 10 09:39:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola humm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7104.7652.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Good advise, except, sorry, a 1428 won't have a (Shure) M-44 in it. I think that it used an Astatic 51---? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/10/09, jgr . wrote: From: jgr . Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola humm To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 3:52 AM check tone arm cartrige for lose or shorted wire, I have also found a bad cartrige to cause a humm. If you need a cartrige and cant find one, they (M44) are available through most D.J. suppliers _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jay at west.net Mon Aug 10 09:50:13 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Aug 10 10:00:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100G In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A804FC5.3060508@west.net> BALD S.R.L. - Concessionary Olivetti wrote: > Hi, my name is Stefano and I'm new user of this jukebox-list. I'm writing from Italy and I have a problem with my Seeburg HF100G. > This is my situation: > When I select a song of the side b of the disc, the jukebox play the disc but successively he does not cancel the selection and he continues to play the same disc. This happens alone with all the selections of the side B of the disc. I have seen that under pinbank the pin he does not come put to place and therefore I remain active. > This my question: > Why the device that cancels the selection works alone with the side A of discs and not with the side B? > and how it works ? I haven't found no information or figure that describes how it works. Behind the mechanism is the pinbank. There is a sliding bakelite assembly that rides with the mechanism carriage called the "contact block". This has two cancel coils, one for each side. Just as the record loads, the cancel coil fires to push the selected pin back towards the center. The most likely cause is that the "B" side cancel coil plunger is stuck. You can take it apart (time consuming task) and make sure that the plunger moves freely. These shouldn't have any lubricant but may have old oil or grease causing it to stick. It could also be that the reversing switch contact that switches between the A and B side cancel coils is dirty or misaligned. The wiring to the contact block is somewhat fragile but doesn't get much flexing, this could also be the cause but not likely. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pinball at telus.net Mon Aug 10 09:55:09 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Aug 10 10:00:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100G In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8050ED.8040906@telus.net> BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti wrote: > Hi, my name is Stefano and I'm new user of this jukebox-list. I'm writing from Italy and I have a problem with my Seeburg HF100G. > This is my situation: > When I select a song of the side b of the disc, the jukebox play the disc but successively he does not cancel the selection and he continues to play the same disc. This happens alone with all the selections of the side B of the disc. I have seen that under pinbank the pin he does not come put to place and therefore I remain active. > This my question: > Why the device that cancels the selection works alone with the side A of discs and not with the side B? > and how it works ? I haven't found no information or figure that describes how it works. > please help me :-) > Thanks. > Stefano. > Hi Stefano, Along with a stuck plunger (as Ron suggested) the problem could be the reversing switch that is on the front underside of the mechanism - has the 'paddle' that is tripped at each end of the frame. This changes which pin cancel solenoid is fired depending in the direction the mechanism is moving along the frame. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Mon Aug 10 09:59:21 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Mon Aug 10 10:13:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola humm Message-ID: 51-1 for 45s & 51-2 for 78s. Is this correct? Wurlyman700 ..... ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon Aug 10 11:41:19 2009 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rock ola humm Good advise, except, sorry, a 1428 won't have a (Shure) M-44 in it. I think that it used an Astatic 51---? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/10/09, jgr . wrote: From: jgr . Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola humm To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 3:52 AM check tone arm cartrige for lose or shorted wire, I have also found a bad cartrige to cause a humm. If you need a cartrige and cant find one, they (M44) are available through most D.J. suppliers _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 12:00:28 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 10 14:18:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola humm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <284804.47088.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yes it was--however, there are now two more sizes available for the NEW Pfanststiehel "51"'s called a "152" by them. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Alan Armstrong wrote: From: Alan Armstrong Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rock ola humm To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 9:59 AM 51-1 for 45s & 51-2 for 78s. Is this correct? Wurlyman700 ..... ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon Aug 10 11:41:19 2009 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rock ola humm Good advise, except, sorry, a 1428 won't have a (Shure) M-44 in it. I think that it used an Astatic 51---? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/10/09, jgr . wrote: From: jgr . Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola humm To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 3:52 AM check tone arm cartrige for lose or shorted wire, I have also found a bad cartrige to cause a humm. If you need a cartrige and cant find one, they (M44) are available through most D.J. suppliers _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 12:05:18 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 10 14:18:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-74 Preamp Board In-Reply-To: <4A7F75BD.2030103@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <798602.10299.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dick, Do you have the Rowe pt #, or is there a number on the device? I MAY have a cross--Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Dick Habegger wrote: From: Dick Habegger Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-74 Preamp Board To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:19 PM Hi All, Finally, I can post a request! I changed out all of the capacitors in my Rowe R-74 64 Watt Amplifier. After all these years, I an back using Solder-Wick and a Weller Soldering Station. Before I started, I tested the system (and lubed it). A few strange things happened. First, the credit computer did not work. I found the belt to the Search Motor was broken. Someone used a Pinball Bumper for a belt. I replaced it with two o-rings from a Harbor Freight O-ring Kit. Problem solved. Thanks to James Alexander, I got myself out of trouble in realigning the Transfer Arm- Cam & Trunnion Gear sync. Now, I was able to make selections and play. However, there was no audio. I injected line audio from an MP3 Player into the Amp Test Inputs. It sounded great! I stopped and ordered the capacitors (just in case). After I installed the capacitors and replaced several trim pots, I still did not have audio. I made up extension cables to the Jukebox and had the amplifier on my bench. In troubleshooting, I found that the remote Volume Control was the problem; or should I say, I was the problem! The Volume Control was at minimum - stupid me.... I played a record to find the audio was very distorted. Back to the bench. I found the Right Channel of the Preamp was extremely low. Injecting a 1 kHz sine-wave and viewing on my scope, I confirmed that the channel was dead. However, I have not been able to determine the component failure. Transistors are soldered in so I will have to do more testing. In the mean time I would like to purchase another Preamp board so I can get the unit playing. Do they exist? P/N: 602-03758 I noted that some of the transistors have Rowe numbers and do not cross reference. Q1, Q2, Q6 & Q7 are 2N5209. I have substitutes for these. Are there substitutes for Q4, Q8-Q11? Any help would be appreciated! Dick Habegger Phelan, CA _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mmarsh16 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 10 12:38:34 2009 From: mmarsh16 at hotmail.com (Mike Marsh) Date: Mon Aug 10 14:18:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New City IV video In-Reply-To: <1620037625.10478111249921916764.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1620037625.10478111249921916764.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Rich, Nice video work and your City IV is a beauty! I have the exact same model, but I didn't even know it had a stereo\mono switch on it. Thanks for the info. Mike > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:31:56 +0000 > From: 19k20@comcast.net > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > CC: > Subject: [Jukebox-list] New City IV video > > > > As promised, a classic Van Halen tune on the City IV. Plays nice and loud but probably needs cap job as stereo/mono switch on the central unit does not appear to make any difference. Noticed this when I listened for the guitar into on Scorpions, Rock You Like A Hurricane....almost didn't hear it.... > > > > Anyways....enjoy. > > > > http://myersjukes.mine.nu/NSM/City%20IV/CityIV.wmv > > > > > > SSG Rich > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 From chris.naylor at dsl.pipex.com Mon Aug 10 13:21:50 2009 From: chris.naylor at dsl.pipex.com (Chris Naylor) Date: Mon Aug 10 14:18:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] FW: Seeburg 3W1 Message-ID: <0749D33F4DFE4BB79B1D06B83FE86878@ChrisPC> _____ Hi everyone, I am new to this group and I'm hoping to get my first jukebox soon, In the meantime I have a Seeburg 3W1 wallbox which I have given a thorough clean and checked wiring etc. I have ordered a PC2Playbox2 which I intend to use until funds allow a better set up. My problem is I need a coin entry glass as the one I have is broken in 3 places, there are several people Advertising them on eBay but they all seem to be different to the one I have, can anyone tell me where I can get a glass that says: 3 PLAYS QUARTER 1 PLAY DIME OR 2 NICKELS Hoping someone can help, Thanks, ChrisN. From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 13:27:39 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Mon Aug 10 14:18:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Schematics for RCA changers RP168 and RP190 In-Reply-To: <660081.33229.qm@web82401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <339151.27421.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bud, Thank you! I have always hoped for the information on these web sites! I have it printed and cataloged for study tonight. They did not have the schematics for the amp I am currently working on but what they had is great! Thanks again! I truly appreciate it! David Wendell (Geritol Ghetto Dweller) --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Howard Wintermantel wrote: > From: Howard Wintermantel > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Schematics for RCA changers RP168 and RP190 > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 9:07 AM > David, > Try either of these. > Hope this helps > Bud > Magalia Ca. > Beyond Paradise > http://oldtech.net/RCA.html > ? > http://oldtech.net/TT.html > ? > ? > ? > > > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - > WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From chris.naylor at dsl.pipex.com Mon Aug 10 13:28:19 2009 From: chris.naylor at dsl.pipex.com (Chris Naylor) Date: Mon Aug 10 14:18:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 Message-ID: <3B9A293929654AF69C5890EBB40ABD02@ChrisPC> Hi everyone, I am new to this group and I'm hoping to get my first jukebox soon, In the meantime I have a Seeburg 3W1 wallbox which I have given a thorough clean and checked wiring etc. I have ordered a PC2Playbox2 which I intend to use until funds allow a better set up. My problem is I need a coin entry glass as the one I have is broken in 3 places, there are several people Advertising them on eBay but they all seem to be different to the one I have, can anyone tell me where I can get a glass that says: 3 PLAYS QUARTER 1 PLAY DIME OR 2 NICKELS Hoping someone can help, Thanks, ChrisN. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 14:38:20 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 10 15:03:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] FW: Seeburg 3W1 In-Reply-To: <0749D33F4DFE4BB79B1D06B83FE86878@ChrisPC> Message-ID: <234015.33801.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Chris, Welcome ! That glass would not be for a "3W-1", but for a "3W-1D". Those were very rare--are you sure that yours will accept every other? nickel thru the coin switch ?? I am sending a copy of this to a guy I know who prints up coin glasses--don't know if he does one for the "D" models, but will let you know-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Chris Naylor wrote: From: Chris Naylor Subject: [Jukebox-list] FW: Seeburg 3W1 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 1:21 PM ? _____? Hi everyone, I am new to this group and I'm hoping to get my first jukebox soon, In the meantime I have a Seeburg 3W1 wallbox which I have given a thorough clean and checked wiring etc. I have ordered a PC2Playbox2 which I intend to use until funds allow a better set up. My problem is I need a coin entry glass as the one I have is broken in 3 places, there are several people Advertising them on eBay but they all seem to be different to the one I have, can anyone tell me where I can get a glass that says: 3 PLAYS QUARTER 1 PLAY DIME OR 2 NICKELS Hoping someone can help, Thanks, ChrisN. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 14:39:25 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 10 15:03:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Schematics for RCA changers RP168 and RP190 In-Reply-To: <339151.27421.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <197694.31331.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, Did the Ghetto move ???? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/10/09, david wendell wrote: From: david wendell Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Schematics for RCA changers RP168 and RP190 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 1:27 PM Bud, Thank you!? I have always hoped for the information on these web sites!? I have it printed and cataloged for study tonight.? They did not have the schematics for the amp I am currently working on but what they had is great!? Thanks again!? I truly appreciate it! David Wendell (Geritol Ghetto Dweller)? --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Howard Wintermantel wrote: > From: Howard Wintermantel > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Schematics for RCA changers RP168 and RP190 > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 9:07 AM > David, > Try either of these. > Hope this helps > Bud > Magalia Ca. > Beyond Paradise > http://oldtech.net/RCA.html > ? > http://oldtech.net/TT.html > ? > ? > ? > > > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - > WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Mon Aug 10 15:02:55 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Aug 10 15:06:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 In-Reply-To: <3B9A293929654AF69C5890EBB40ABD02@ChrisPC> References: <3B9A293929654AF69C5890EBB40ABD02@ChrisPC> Message-ID: <4A80990F.6080608@west.net> Chris Naylor wrote: > My problem is I need a coin entry glass as the one I have is broken in 3 > places, there are several people > > Advertising them on eBay but they all seem to be different to the one I > have, can anyone tell me where I can get a glass that says: > > > > 3 PLAYS QUARTER > > 1 PLAY DIME > > OR 2 NICKELS Have you tried feeding nickels into the coin slot and watching the action of the slug rejector? Does it trap the first and then dump both when it gets the second? If so, then your slug rejector has a nickel diverter and you would be able to use that glass. If not, then the glass wouldn't be accurate. I wasn't aware that the 3W1 had a nickel diverter rejector. Originally they were 1 play nickel, 2 plays dime, 6 plays quarter. Many were modified to reject nickels in the field and converted to 1 play dime, 3 plays quarter and nickels would just fall through. If every nickel drops straight into the coin box, you want the 1 play nickel version. If it traps every other nickel and then dumps both, you are indeed looking for the glass you indicate (which I haven't seen in the field). If all nickels are returned, then you want one play dime, 3 plays quarter. Two well-known sources for reproduction parts are: Victory Glass - http://www.victoryglass.com/ Ken Arnold - http://www.jukeboxusa.com/main.htm Stamann in Germany also is a good source, their page shows the 3 plays qiarter, 1 play dime (no mention of nickels). Ridiculously long URL for the Seeburg wallbox parts reduces to this: http://tinyurl.com/luz8np You can move the coils around to set pricing however you want up to six selections per coin, as long as the nickel path isn't horribly broken. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From Trollmasters at webtv.net Mon Aug 10 15:33:00 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Mon Aug 10 19:25:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-160 In-Reply-To: Ron Rich 's message of Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <11249-4A80A01C-2507@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> I was wondering if the tsu-7 is compatible with this jukebox. Also, the letters wont stay latche down, but the numbers will. A selection can be made only if you press the number button first. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From kjq45 at att.net Mon Aug 10 16:18:17 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Mon Aug 10 19:25:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 References: <3B9A293929654AF69C5890EBB40ABD02@ChrisPC> <4A80990F.6080608@west.net> Message-ID: <29006825C29A4688A12D1BB8A3E4E4D0@D41XWQ61> Bill Butterfield just got 30 of the 3w1's. Chances are he has what you need. Glen Pitts ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 > Chris Naylor wrote: > >> My problem is I need a coin entry glass as the one I have is broken in 3 >> places, there are several people >> >> Advertising them on eBay but they all seem to be different to the one I >> have, can anyone tell me where I can get a glass that says: >> >> 3 PLAYS QUARTER >> >> 1 PLAY DIME >> >> OR 2 NICKELS > > Have you tried feeding nickels into the coin slot and watching the action > of the slug rejector? Does it trap the first and then dump both when it > gets the second? If so, then your slug rejector has a nickel diverter and > you would be able to use that glass. If not, then the glass wouldn't be > accurate. > > I wasn't aware that the 3W1 had a nickel diverter rejector. Originally > they were 1 play nickel, 2 plays dime, 6 plays quarter. Many were > modified to reject nickels in the field and converted to 1 play dime, 3 > plays quarter and nickels would just fall through. > > If every nickel drops straight into the coin box, you want the 1 play > nickel version. If it traps every other nickel and then dumps both, you > are indeed looking for the glass you indicate (which I haven't seen in the > field). If all nickels are returned, then you want one play dime, 3 plays > quarter. > > Two well-known sources for reproduction parts are: > > Victory Glass - http://www.victoryglass.com/ > > Ken Arnold - http://www.jukeboxusa.com/main.htm > > Stamann in Germany also is a good source, their page shows the 3 plays > qiarter, 1 play dime (no mention of nickels). Ridiculously long URL for > the Seeburg wallbox parts reduces to this: http://tinyurl.com/luz8np > > You can move the coils around to set pricing however you want up to six > selections per coin, as long as the nickel path isn't horribly broken. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Mon Aug 10 16:16:14 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Mon Aug 10 19:25:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Hum References: Message-ID: Have you considered that the hum is mechanical, not electrical? Old motor shock mounts will transfer motor hum. Does this happen when the stylus touches the record? Glen Pitts ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hess" To: Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:58 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Hum I have a 1428 with a electrical hum when the motor starts up does anyone have any ideas how to fix this. Thanks Marc Hess Pres. kippvisual.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dwainem at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 16:24:13 2009 From: dwainem at gmail.com (Dwaine Maggart) Date: Mon Aug 10 19:25:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-74 Preamp Board In-Reply-To: <4A7F75BD.2030103@ix.netcom.com> References: <4A7F75BD.2030103@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: I just noticed this on Ebay: Item: 230365847132 ROWE AMI JUKEBOX DRIVER PRE AMP AVC PCB BOARD LOT OF 8 No idea if these are what you need, but maybe worth looking at. Same seller also had some other Rowe and Seeburg parts. Dwaine On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Dick Habegger wrote: > Hi All, > > Finally, I can post a request! > > I changed out all of the capacitors in my Rowe R-74 64 Watt Amplifier. > After all these years, I an back using Solder-Wick and a Weller Soldering > Station. > > Before I started, I tested the system (and lubed it). A few strange things > happened. > First, the credit computer did not work. I found the belt to the Search > Motor was broken. > Someone used a Pinball Bumper for a belt. I replaced it with two o-rings > from a Harbor > Freight O-ring Kit. Problem solved. > > Thanks to James Alexander, I got myself out of trouble in realigning the > Transfer Arm- > Cam & Trunnion Gear sync. Now, I was able to make selections and play. > However, > there was no audio. I injected line audio from an MP3 Player into the Amp > Test Inputs. > It sounded great! I stopped and ordered the capacitors (just in case). > > After I installed the capacitors and replaced several trim pots, I still did > not have audio. > I made up extension cables to the Jukebox and had the amplifier on my bench. > In troubleshooting, > I found that the remote Volume Control was the problem; or should I say, I > was the problem! > The Volume Control was at minimum - stupid me.... > > I played a record to find the audio was very distorted. Back to the bench. I > found the Right Channel > of the Preamp was extremely low. Injecting a 1 kHz sine-wave and viewing on > my scope, I confirmed that > the channel was dead. However, I have not been able to determine the > component failure. Transistors > are soldered in so I will have to do more testing. In the mean time I would > like to purchase another > Preamp board so I can get the unit playing. Do they exist? P/N: 602-03758 > > I noted that some of the transistors have Rowe numbers and do not cross > reference. Q1, Q2, Q6 & Q7 > are 2N5209. I have substitutes for these. Are there substitutes for Q4, > Q8-Q11? > > Any help would be appreciated! > > Dick Habegger > Phelan, CA > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Mon Aug 10 17:12:49 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Mon Aug 10 19:25:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Schematics for RCA changers RP168 and RP190 In-Reply-To: <339151.27421.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <174724.21050.qm@web111501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have a few of those RCA units.. also the schematics.. sorry I didn't answer earlier.. they were the first 45 units on the scene as RCA invented the 45 in 1949. Also have some NOS stuff for em too.. some parts even in the RCA BOX! LOL! ? Regards, Tony --- On Mon, 8/10/09, david wendell wrote: From: david wendell Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Schematics for RCA changers RP168 and RP190 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Monday, August 10, 2009, 4:27 PM Bud, Thank you!? I have always hoped for the information on these web sites!? I have it printed and cataloged for study tonight.? They did not have the schematics for the amp I am currently working on but what they had is great!? Thanks again!? I truly appreciate it! David Wendell (Geritol Ghetto Dweller)? --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Howard Wintermantel wrote: > From: Howard Wintermantel > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Schematics for RCA changers RP168 and RP190 > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 9:07 AM > David, > Try either of these. > Hope this helps > Bud > Magalia Ca. > Beyond Paradise > http://oldtech.net/RCA.html > ? > http://oldtech.net/TT.html > ? > ? > ? > > > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - > WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 19:34:52 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 10 19:46:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-160 In-Reply-To: <11249-4A80A01C-2507@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <719221.24605.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yes and no--if the TES is set for SPU, it will operate fine. Is the phono set for free play ?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/10/09, James McClave wrote: From: James McClave Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-160 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 3:33 PM I was wondering if the tsu-7 is compatible with this jukebox. Also, the letters wont stay latche down, but the numbers will. A selection can be made only if you press the number button first.? Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Aug 10 21:17:41 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Mon Aug 10 22:38:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New City IV video In-Reply-To: References: <1620037625.10478111249921916764.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <00a101ca1a3a$ac02a400$0407ec00$@net> Thanks for the compliments Mike. Does anyone know how to remove the front grill so I can dust it out? I can't seem to locate any obvious screws to let it loose. Also the left woofer has a small hole in the speaker foam...any ideas how to patch? Or, best to replace? Thanks again, Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mike Marsh Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:39 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] New City IV video Hi Rich, Nice video work and your City IV is a beauty! I have the exact same model, but I didn't even know it had a stereo\mono switch on it. Thanks for the info. Mike > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:31:56 +0000 > From: 19k20@comcast.net > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > CC: > Subject: [Jukebox-list] New City IV video > > > > As promised, a classic Van Halen tune on the City IV. Plays nice and loud but probably needs cap job as stereo/mono switch on the central unit does not appear to make any difference. Noticed this when I listened for the guitar into on Scorpions, Rock You Like A Hurricane....almost didn't hear it.... > > > > Anyways....enjoy. > > > > http://myersjukes.mine.nu/NSM/City%20IV/CityIV.wmv > > > > > > SSG Rich > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-U S:SI_PH_software:082009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.45/2285 - Release Date: 08/10/09 06:10:00 From Chadtowvany at cox.net Mon Aug 10 21:04:09 2009 From: Chadtowvany at cox.net (Chad Tow) Date: Mon Aug 10 22:38:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1400 pilasters ? for Oliver Stamann Message-ID: <9E800E8952484A2D99ADFCBE4924F577@YOUR7DCB5AE686> i just got a wurlitzer 1400 and the pilasters are cracked as well have you guys ever had any luck finding any replacement ones??? thanks chad From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Mon Aug 10 22:47:50 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Mon Aug 10 22:50:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New City IV video Message-ID: You might try some window sealing foam with one side sticky. Comes in white and black. Home Depot & Lowes sell this product as do most hardware stores. I recently had all the foam replaced and complete re-coning done for a 15" wurlitzer speaker for $81 Canadian. Wurlyman700 ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Tue Aug 11 00:17:41 2009 Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] New City IV video Thanks for the compliments Mike. Does anyone know how to remove the front grill so I can dust it out? I can't seem to locate any obvious screws to let it loose. Also the left woofer has a small hole in the speaker foam...any ideas how to patch? Or, best to replace? Thanks again, Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mike Marsh Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:39 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] New City IV video Hi Rich, Nice video work and your City IV is a beauty! I have the exact same model, but I didn't even know it had a stereo\mono switch on it. Thanks for the info. Mike > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:31:56 +0000 > From: 19k20@comcast.net > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > CC: > Subject: [Jukebox-list] New City IV video > > > > As promised, a classic Van Halen tune on the City IV. Plays nice and loud but probably needs cap job as stereo/mono switch on the central unit does not appear to make any difference. Noticed this when I listened for the guitar into on Scorpions, Rock You Like A Hurricane....almost didn't hear it.... > > > > Anyways....enjoy. > > > > http://myersjukes.mine.nu/NSM/City%20IV/CityIV.wmv > > > > > > SSG Rich > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-U S:SI_PH_software:082009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.45/2285 - Release Date: 08/10/09 06:10:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Mon Aug 10 22:49:45 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Mon Aug 10 22:51:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1400 pilasters ? for Oliver Stamann Message-ID: Have you tried Victory Glass or Coinopwharehouse? Wurlyman700 ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Tue Aug 11 00:04:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1400 pilasters ? for Oliver Stamann i just got a wurlitzer 1400 and the pilasters are cracked as well have you guys ever had any luck finding any replacement ones??? thanks chad _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Mon Aug 10 22:55:30 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Aug 10 23:00:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New City IV video In-Reply-To: <00a101ca1a3a$ac02a400$0407ec00$@net> References: <1620037625.10478111249921916764.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <00a101ca1a3a$ac02a400$0407ec00$@net> Message-ID: <4A8107D2.7020407@west.net> Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > Thanks for the compliments Mike. Does anyone know how to remove the front > grill so I can dust it out? I can't seem to locate any obvious screws to > let it loose. Also the left woofer has a small hole in the speaker > foam...any ideas how to patch? Or, best to replace? Can't address the grille removal but once woofer foam starts to deteriorate it's best to replace. You can do it yourself or there are speaker shops that do it. Google "Woofer refoam" for contacts. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From Trollmasters at webtv.net Tue Aug 11 00:09:38 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Tue Aug 11 00:11:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-160 In-Reply-To: Ron Rich 's message of Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <28015-4A811932-73@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> By TES do you mean the electrical selector? How can I tell if its set up for spu? The juke is on coins , not free play. The letter buttons will not latch down at all, just the number buttons will latch. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Tue Aug 11 03:12:38 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 11 03:14:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New City IV video In-Reply-To: <00a101ca1a3a$ac02a400$0407ec00$@net> Message-ID: <960525.23329.qm@web96009.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi,?To take the speaker grills off, lay the juke on its back... rest it on something so you don't damage the cooling fins on the amp. Remove the base of the juke box it is held on with long wood screws.. The complete plastic mould surround and grills are held on with long philip head screws (the middle ones have a spacer) .. The speakers in mine were rotted out so i replaced with some out of an old pioneer stereo (100% improvement over the rubbish that the NSM factory had installed) check your cross overs when u have the base off, mine had just about been on fire... wood was scorched around them...Cheers John --- On Tue, 11/8/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] New City IV video To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Received: Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 4:17 PM Thanks for the compliments Mike.? Does anyone know how to remove the front grill so I can dust it out?? I can't seem to locate any obvious screws to let it loose.? Also the left woofer has a small hole in the speaker foam...any ideas how to patch?? Or, best to replace? Thanks again, Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mike Marsh Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:39 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] New City IV video Hi Rich, ???Nice video work and your City IV is a beauty! I have the exact same model, but I didn't even know it had a stereo\mono switch on it. Thanks for the info. Mike > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:31:56 +0000 > From: 19k20@comcast.net > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > CC: > Subject: [Jukebox-list] New City IV video > > > > As promised,? a classic Van Halen tune on the City IV.? Plays nice and loud but probably needs cap job as stereo/mono switch on the central unit does not appear to make any difference.? Noticed this when I listened for the guitar into on Scorpions, Rock You Like A Hurricane....almost didn't hear it.... > > > > Anyways....enjoy. > > > > http://myersjukes.mine.nu/NSM/City%20IV/CityIV.wmv > > > > > > SSG Rich > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-U S:SI_PH_software:082009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.45/2285 - Release Date: 08/10/09 06:10:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Tue Aug 11 04:57:05 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 11 04:59:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1400 pilasters ? for Oliver Stamann Message-ID: I have tried both for mine. Victory Glass has stopped making repros.They sent everyone that was on the backorder list their money back. Its been discussed much on the Wurlitzer group. We're all hoping Oliver Stamann will reproduce them eventually. Best bet is watch ebay for an original.Bill Butterfield and Durfee don't have them either. I've been looking for nearly 2 years. So far I got an uncracked left from ebay. it was not cheap. J.C. In a message dated 8/11/2009 1:51:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, AArmstrong@ocwa.com writes: Have you tried Victory Glass or Coinopwharehouse? Wurlyman700 ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Tue Aug 11 00:04:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1400 pilasters ? for Oliver Stamann i just got a wurlitzer 1400 and the pilasters are cracked as well have you guys ever had any luck finding any replacement ones??? thanks chad _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Aug 11 05:37:59 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Tue Aug 11 05:39:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 1400 pilasters Message-ID: <20090811083729.SM03144@[192.168.1.206]> I used to have a Rock-Ola Fireball that had a cracked pilaster. Nothing even close was being reproduced.. and if I'm not mistaken, the pattern on the 1400s pilasters was pretty similar. I had an idea of using a sheet of ceiling light plastic. You know the 2 x 4 sheet of either styrene or acrylic that goes into a drop ceiling? Home Depot or Lowes sells them out of the lighting department. Anyway, I was thinking of whether or not it would be possible to use an existing (but damaged) pilaster as a preliminary form... and come up with a way to duplicate the form somehow... then gently heat a piece of the acrylic plastic over the form so that it takes the exact shape of the pilaster. After all that... use a dremel to carefully cut the piece to size, sand off the excess, then mount it in the cabinet. As hair-brained as this sounds, I couldn't think of anything else I could use as a substitute for the original pilasters which were cracked and missing pieces. I found several styles of those plastic sheets that could work. One resembled bubble-wrap...another looked like the "egg cartons" off an AMI E... another looked like plastic shards glued together. I realize that this isn't even close to original...but it would sure beats NOT having any pilasters as all. I never tried the experiement because I couldn't come up with a way to slowly heat the plastic sheet where I could shape it, but not warp or crack it in half. The acrylic stuff is very bendable whereas the styrene cracks at the slightest bend. So my question is this.... does anyone think this idea might actually work? Any plastics engineers on the list? Aaron From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Aug 11 07:12:08 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Tue Aug 11 07:13:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 1400 plastics Message-ID: <200908111012580.SM03796@[192.168.1.206]> I used to have a Rock-Ola Fireball that had a cracked pilaster. Nothing even close was being reproduced.. and if I'm not mistaken, the pattern on the 1400s pilasters was pretty similar. I had an idea of using a sheet of ceiling light plastic. You know the 2 x 4 sheet of either styrene or acrylic that goes into a drop ceiling? Home Depot or Lowes sells them out of the lighting department. Anyway, I was thinking of whether or not it would be possible to use an existing (but damaged) pilaster as a preliminary form... and come up with a way to duplicate the form somehow... then gently heat a piece of the acrylic plastic over the form so that it takes the exact shape of the pilaster. After all that... use a dremel to carefully cut the piece to size, sand off the excess, then mount it in the cabinet. As hair-brained as this sounds, I couldn't think of anything else I could use as a substitute for the original pilasters which were cracked and missing pieces. I found several styles of those plastic sheets that could work. One resembled bubble-wrap...another looked like the "egg cartons" off an AMI E... another looked like plastic shards glued together. I realize that this isn't even close to original...but it would sure beats NOT having any pilasters as all. I never tried the experiement because I couldn't come up with a way to slowly heat the plastic sheet where I could shape it, but not warp or crack it in half. The acrylic stuff is very bendable whereas the styrene cracks at the slightest bend. So my question is this.... does anyone think this idea might actually work? Any plastics engineers on the list? Aaron From drjukebox at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 08:19:12 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Tue Aug 11 08:47:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <20090809190003.B9005AB0A3@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090809190003.B9005AB0A3@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690908110819t5d973e14r38f28e366e82b290@mail.gmail.com> Hello folks, a little complicated replying to the digest but I'll write a few things The late great Johnny Gurrech's collection is second to none (and Ed in Louisiana is only jealous ;o)). Johnny had the knack for finding the rarest stuff, including Wurlitzer models 35 and P20 that noone else has ever found ttbomk. Check production figures at http://tomszone.com/serialwurl.html Johnny also found a Gabel's Kuro before anyone else had one. The story went that he advertised not for the machine but for parts for it - and got a reply for someone with a parts machine. I asked Johnny what he would do if he couldn't beat his cancer, and he said arrangements were already made with an auctioneer, but not with Preston Evans. The really good stuff will go at the second auction, all the restored machines. I hope I can be there. Only the parts bins must be a treasure trove. Berry Bell has a mechanical problem with the pulse generator in his I200. Sell it to me if you can't fix it! ;o) As for list format, there is another solution - moving to yahoo groups where you can keep the mailing list format but also access it from the website, and also post pics and other attachments. We did this with the only other mailing list I still subscribe to, and it worked out well. Those who like the mailing list format didn't notice the change. Also, there is to jukeboxes a multitude of things to discuss besides the tech stuff. Which I find more than a little repetitive in the long run, having been on the list for a decade or so. With a FAQ to refer to, it would be better. Lastly, glad to see Jackie back - she is tops with me! Well enjoy your day wherever you are, dancin' out! Jens On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:00 PM, wrote: > Send Jukebox-list mailing list submissions to > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 08:58:01 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 11 08:59:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-160 In-Reply-To: <28015-4A811932-73@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <70928.36118.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Yes, TES is Tormat Electrical Selector. You will need to consult the service manual--or maybe the set-up chart is still located on the underside of the TES cover. Sounds as if it's set-up OK, but you have mechanical linkage problems--once again, the service manual shows how to adjust the linkage--just make sure it's clean, and not bent, prior to attempting ANY adjustment. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/11/09, James McClave wrote: From: James McClave Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-160 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 12:09 AM By TES do you mean the electrical selector?? How can I tell if its set up for spu?? The juke? is on coins , not free play.? The letter buttons will not latch down at all, just the number buttons will latch. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wiz at tilt.it Tue Aug 11 10:46:00 2009 From: wiz at tilt.it (Federico Croci) Date: Tue Aug 11 10:55:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer C110 (C120) Message-ID: <86713541.20090811194600@tilt.it> Bologna, marted? 11 agosto 2009 (ore 19.43) Hello everyone! I'm not a specialist about Wurlitzer's jukes, but it seems to me that my C110 has one of the two cassette tape players missing (see photos at http://www.tilt.it/flipper_pinball/wanted-cercasi/ : http://www.tilt.it/flipper_pinball/wp-content/gallery/c110/13.jpg http://www.tilt.it/flipper_pinball/wp-content/gallery/c110/15.jpg http://www.tilt.it/flipper_pinball/wp-content/gallery/c110/11.jpg Anyone could help me in locating the missing parts...? Thanks! :-) -- Federico Croci wiz@tilt.it http://www.tilt.it From chris.naylor at dsl.pipex.com Tue Aug 11 11:40:24 2009 From: chris.naylor at dsl.pipex.com (Chris Naylor) Date: Tue Aug 11 11:42:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 Message-ID: <9E996F1483BC42229A2A17E514822E84@ChrisPC> Thanks Jay and Glenn for your fast response. I checked with the sources you mentioned and they do not have the glass either, I have now ordered the "3 PLAYS QUARTER, 1 PLAY DIME" Glass from Stamann in Germany which will be OK until I can get the correct one. I have emailed Bill Butterfield (thanks Glenn) and I'm waiting to hear if he can help. It seems my wallbox is a 3W1-D according to the manual I have, below is a copy of the relevant info from the manual. The Wall-O-Matic "100" Type 3W1-D is the same in general appearance and size as the Type 3W1. The operation is the same except that the 3W1-D is arranged for three plays for a 25-cent coin and one play for either a dime or two nickels. The difference between the 3W1-D and the 3W1 is in the information on the coin instruction window, the name plate below the program leaves, the slug rejector nickel coin switch and the connections to the coin switches, and the credit assembly. All of the service manual data for the type 3W1, pages 12041 to 12055, applies equally well to the Type 3W1-D except the description of the operation of the credit assembly, the diagram on page 12050 and some of the parts lists. It goes on to say how the first nickel is sent straight to the coin box and the second one operates the switch for one play, which is case on my machine. Thanks, Chris. From Trollmasters at webtv.net Tue Aug 11 11:44:10 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Tue Aug 11 11:45:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg AY-160 In-Reply-To: Ron Rich 's message of Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14654-4A81BBFA-1735@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Ok I will try that. Thanks Ron E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From chris.naylor at dsl.pipex.com Tue Aug 11 12:31:16 2009 From: chris.naylor at dsl.pipex.com (Chris Naylor) Date: Tue Aug 11 12:33:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 Message-ID: In reply to Ron Rich, Thanks Ron, Yes mine definitely does accept every other nickel through the coin switch, and it is working fine, Just this problem with the glass, thanks for your offer, please let me know if the guy does have a glass. Chris. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 13:19:19 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 11 13:20:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <818329.67558.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Chris, Apparently I have mixed up two people that make that glass. My supplier informs me that he has never had a call for that one, and thus has none. The other person sells it on eBay, as you have seen--however he does not realize that the "silly red paper" should not be "paper" nor is it "silly" as without it, the glass is pron to breakage. This may not be as important in home use, but in commercial use it's critical !? BTW--it's red felt--which also acts to aid the illumination of the coin insert and writing.? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Chris Naylor wrote: From: Chris Naylor Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3W1 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 12:31 PM In reply to Ron Rich, Thanks Ron, Yes mine definitely does accept every other nickel through the coin switch, and it is working fine, Just this problem with the glass, thanks for your offer, please let me know if the guy does have a glass. Chris. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Tue Aug 11 14:04:38 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Aug 11 14:06:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer C110 (C120) In-Reply-To: <86713541.20090811194600@tilt.it> References: <86713541.20090811194600@tilt.it> Message-ID: <4A81DCE6.6000807@telus.net> Federico Croci wrote: > Bologna, marted? 11 agosto 2009 (ore 19.43) > > Hello everyone! > > I'm not a specialist about Wurlitzer's jukes, but it seems to me that > my C110 has one of the two cassette tape players missing (see photos > at http://www.tilt.it/flipper_pinball/wanted-cercasi/ : > > http://www.tilt.it/flipper_pinball/wp-content/gallery/c110/13.jpg > http://www.tilt.it/flipper_pinball/wp-content/gallery/c110/15.jpg > http://www.tilt.it/flipper_pinball/wp-content/gallery/c110/11.jpg > > Anyone could help me in locating the missing parts...? > Thanks! :-) > > -- > Federico Croci > wiz@tilt.it > http://www.tilt.it > Hi Frederico, Yes you are indeed missing one tape player...I do not have that in my stock of older German Wurlitzer parts. They are the same unit for each side at least - so if you can find a wreck of the C110 you may be in luck! I have service manuals if you need that. eBay - it is sometimes good for this sort of thing. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From wiz at tilt.it Tue Aug 11 14:49:14 2009 From: wiz at tilt.it (Federico Croci) Date: Tue Aug 11 15:02:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer C110 (C120) In-Reply-To: <4A81DCE6.6000807@telus.net> References: <86713541.20090811194600@tilt.it> <4A81DCE6.6000807@telus.net> Message-ID: <1937502669.20090811234914@tilt.it> In data marted? 11 agosto 2009, alle 23.04, John Robertson (pinball@telus.net) ha scritto: > Hi Frederico, Hello! > Yes you are indeed missing one tape player...I do not have that in my > stock of older German Wurlitzer parts. They are the same unit for each > side at least - so if you can find a wreck of the C110 you may be in luck! Uhm. Ok, I'll keep an eye out for that. And if you'll find something for it, please let me know! > I have service manuals if you need that. Good to know. Not for the moment, but when I'll find the missing piece, it's possible I'll need 'em. Thanks, -- Federico Croci wiz@tilt.it www.tilt.it From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Tue Aug 11 15:39:15 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Tue Aug 11 15:41:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 700 catalin plastic parts. Message-ID: The following parts are needed for a W700 refurbish. Wurlitzer part numbers ...... 36294 plastic cap (top right) 36295 plastic wing (top right) 36068 side plastic (curved) If you have any or all of these parts contact me. Thanks fellow JUKERS! Wurlyman700 From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 11 16:31:48 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Aug 11 16:33:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 1400 plastics References: <200908111012580.SM03796@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <007e01ca1adb$e5f0bd40$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Acrylic is actually very brittle, as is styrene. Polycarbonate (Lexan) is what you want. Your idea will work, but is difficult without specialized equipment. A heat gun will work, but you need to go slowly - you are likely to discolor the plastic or form bubbles if you heat it too much. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Heverin" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 1400 plastics I used to have a Rock-Ola Fireball that had a cracked pilaster. Nothing even close was being reproduced.. and if I'm not mistaken, the pattern on the 1400s pilasters was pretty similar. I had an idea of using a sheet of ceiling light plastic. You know the 2 x 4 sheet of either styrene or acrylic that goes into a drop ceiling? Home Depot or Lowes sells them out of the lighting department. Anyway, I was thinking of whether or not it would be possible to use an existing (but damaged) pilaster as a preliminary form... and come up with a way to duplicate the form somehow... then gently heat a piece of the acrylic plastic over the form so that it takes the exact shape of the pilaster. After all that... use a dremel to carefully cut the piece to size, sand off the excess, then mount it in the cabinet. As hair-brained as this sounds, I couldn't think of anything else I could use as a substitute for the original pilasters which were cracked and missing pieces. I found several styles of those plastic sheets that could work. One resembled bubble-wrap...another looked like the "egg cartons" off an AMI E... another looked like plastic shards glued together. I realize that this isn't even close to original...but it would sure beats NOT having any pilasters as all. I never tried the experiement because I couldn't come up with a way to slowly heat the plastic sheet where I could shape it, but not warp or crack it in half. The acrylic stuff is very bendable whereas the styrene cracks at the slightest bend. So my question is this.... does anyone think this idea might actually work? Any plastics engineers on the list? Aaron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From johntrav at windstream.net Tue Aug 11 16:43:43 2009 From: johntrav at windstream.net (John Travelletti) Date: Tue Aug 11 17:56:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 1400 plastics References: <200908111012580.SM03796@[192.168.1.206]> <007e01ca1adb$e5f0bd40$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <303169B6E8444E4186E101C46C166092@JOHNTRAV> Try heating a small sample in a household oven. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 1400 plastics > Acrylic is actually very brittle, as is styrene. Polycarbonate (Lexan) is > what you want. Your idea will work, but is difficult without specialized > equipment. A heat gun will work, but you need to go slowly - you are > likely to discolor the plastic or form bubbles if you heat it too much. > Good luck, > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aaron Heverin" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:12 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 1400 plastics > > > I used to have a Rock-Ola Fireball that had a cracked pilaster. Nothing > even close was being reproduced.. and if I'm not mistaken, the pattern on > the 1400s pilasters was pretty similar. > > I had an idea of using a sheet of ceiling light plastic. You know the 2 x > 4 sheet of either styrene or acrylic that goes into a drop ceiling? Home > Depot or Lowes sells them out of the lighting department. Anyway, I was > thinking of whether or not it would be possible to use an existing (but > damaged) pilaster as a preliminary form... and come up with a way to > duplicate the form somehow... then gently heat a piece of the acrylic > plastic over the form so that it takes the exact shape of the pilaster. > After all that... use a dremel to carefully cut the piece to size, sand > off the excess, then mount it in the cabinet. > > As hair-brained as this sounds, I couldn't think of anything else I could > use as a substitute for the original pilasters which were cracked and > missing pieces. I found several styles of those plastic sheets that could > work. One resembled bubble-wrap...another looked like the "egg > cartons" off an AMI E... another looked like plastic shards glued > together. I realize that this isn't even close to original...but it would > sure beats NOT having any pilasters as all. > > I never tried the experiement because I couldn't come up with a way to > slowly heat the plastic sheet where I could shape it, but not warp or > crack it in half. The acrylic stuff is very bendable whereas the styrene > cracks at the slightest bend. So my question is this.... does anyone think > this idea might actually work? Any plastics engineers on the list? > > > Aaron > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From PhilcoKid2 at cs.com Tue Aug 11 17:58:44 2009 From: PhilcoKid2 at cs.com (PhilcoKid2@cs.com) Date: Tue Aug 11 18:07:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2410 credit working Message-ID: My 2 cents worth here. I just finished my 2nd Wurlitzer 1015 and it had a problem you are describing. When I got into the coin grinder, the subtract coil would not energize. After a bit of digging, I found out the 50 ohm subtract coil was burned out so I had to rewind it. It was acting as though it was set for free play as none of the existing credits would subtract. Regards, Donald Cochrane From amej at ix.netcom.com Tue Aug 11 21:35:41 2009 From: amej at ix.netcom.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Tue Aug 11 21:54:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-74 Preamp Board Message-ID: <4A82469D.8050200@ix.netcom.com> Hi Ron: Here are the Rowe Numbers: Q1,Q2,Q6,Q7; 705-00300 Q4; 701-00300 Q8,Q11; 702-00300 Q8,Q10; 703-00300 As it is right now, all of the transistors have tested ok! But to be safe, I would appreciate checking. Thank you, Dick. > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:05:18 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-74 Preamp Board > > Dick, > Do you have the Rowe pt #, or is there a number on the device? I MAY have a cross--Ron Rich > From amej at ix.netcom.com Tue Aug 11 21:53:29 2009 From: amej at ix.netcom.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Tue Aug 11 22:25:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-74 Preamp Board Message-ID: <4A824AC9.30700@ix.netcom.com> Hi Dwaine, Thank you for the information. Unfortunately eBay does not have anything that matches my Preamp. I think I should be satisfied if I could get a 64W Power Amplifies; P/N: 601-02183, or the 120W Power Amplifier; P/N: 601-07404 Dick. > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:24:13 -0700 > From: Dwaine Maggart > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-74 Preamp Board > To: Jukebox mailing list > > I just noticed this on Ebay: > > Item: 230365847132 > > ROWE AMI JUKEBOX DRIVER PRE AMP AVC PCB BOARD LOT OF 8 > > No idea if these are what you need, but maybe worth looking at. Same > seller also had some other Rowe and Seeburg parts. > > Dwaine From alan-hood at datex.co.uk Wed Aug 12 01:33:17 2009 From: alan-hood at datex.co.uk (Alan Hood) Date: Wed Aug 12 02:54:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re R-74 pre-amp Message-ID: <5800EF01255BC34C8AFD63A9CDD4D4F2011A7E@ntpdc1.datexnt1.local> Hi Dick, On the back of the pre-amplifier will be a number, on the 64 watt 602-02179 amplifier it could be the R-3788B (two wire volume control) or the R-3805 (5 wire duel channel volume control). If you contact me off of list I will give you some pointers. Regards Alan Hood ami-man UK alan-hood@datex.co.uk From amej at ix.netcom.com Tue Aug 11 22:09:05 2009 From: amej at ix.netcom.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Wed Aug 12 03:09:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 1400 pilasters Message-ID: <4A824E71.8070004@ix.netcom.com> Hi Aaron, Have you considered using a heat (shrink) gun or hair dryer? They are more forgiving than a torch! I have used both for heat shrink tubing and acrylic plastic (smaller sizes). Dick. > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:37:59 GMT > From: "Aaron Heverin" > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 1400 pilasters > > (cut) > > I never tried the experiement because I couldn't come up with a way to slowly heat the plastic sheet where I could shape it, but not warp or crack it in half. The acrylic stuff is very bendable whereas the styrene cracks at the slightest bend. So my question is this.... does anyone think this idea might actually work? Any plastics engineers on the list? > > > Aaron > > From dave.halford at telent.com Wed Aug 12 04:17:27 2009 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Wed Aug 12 04:19:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 1400 pilasters In-Reply-To: <4A824E71.8070004@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: Perspex and acrylic both need about 140 C to bend A paint stripping heat gun would do it. regards Dave H Dick Habegger To Sent by: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com jukebox-list-boun cc ces@lists.netloji x.com Subject [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 1400 pilasters 12/08/2009 11:09 Please respond to Jukebox mailing list Hi Aaron, Have you considered using a heat (shrink) gun or hair dryer? They are more forgiving than a torch! I have used both for heat shrink tubing and acrylic plastic (smaller sizes). Dick. > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:37:59 GMT > From: "Aaron Heverin" > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 1400 pilasters > > (cut) > > I never tried the experiement because I couldn't come up with a way to slowly heat the plastic sheet where I could shape it, but not warp or crack it in half. The acrylic stuff is very bendable whereas the styrene cracks at the slightest bend. So my question is this.... does anyone think this idea might actually work? Any plastics engineers on the list? > > > Aaron > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From commerciale at baldi.it Wed Aug 12 06:09:24 2009 From: commerciale at baldi.it (BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti) Date: Wed Aug 12 06:11:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100G Message-ID: <453D8C02690748DF8AD623A2858515A2@PCStefano> Hi and many thanks to Ron, Jay and John for their councils for my problem of cancel selection of my Seeburg HF 100 G. For me it is the first time that I see the cancellation unit and before beginning to move something I would want to make some questions. If I move the two screws on the left and to right I have problems with the cancellation of all the songs. I have found a position (making a regulation) where all the songs of the side " A" they come cancelled but not those of the side " B". Can be that if I must find the right position of these two screws and so my Seeburg returns to work? The unit of cancellation of the songs of the side " B" remains hidden the other side ? Please can you indicate me the "B" side cancel coil plunger, so i can see if is stuck ? Have you an photo detailed of like function this unit of cancellation? I have the service handbook but this argument does not come dealt. Many thanks for your precious Help :-) Stefano. From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Aug 12 06:54:31 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Wed Aug 12 06:56:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 1400 pilasters Message-ID: <200908120954279.SM03676@[192.168.1.206]> The sad thing is that I don't have the Rock-Ola any more so there really isn't a need to do the test. But it's one of those "what if" things that have bugged me for a long time. I stand corrected on the material the plastic sheet was made of.. it was so flexible that it must have been Lexan and not Acrylic. I never tried a hair dryer... and I knew a heat gun, even on a wide dispersal of the heat, would be too much. What I was going to do is build a heat cabinet using a small radiator-type space heater. I use a heat cabinet out of some saw horses, some 2 x 4s, a heavy canvas drop cloth, and that space heater whenever I wash down a mech and have to dry it thorougly. I figured that with the heat set for very low, and the cabinet covered...over time, the plastic should "melt" over the form without breakage or warpage. Never tried it...but this may work for the 1400 plastics that need to be replaced. Just a thought. Aaron From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 09:16:27 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Aug 12 09:18:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100G In-Reply-To: <453D8C02690748DF8AD623A2858515A2@PCStefano> Message-ID: <696475.67760.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Stefano, Look at page number 2133, and page 2151, in the service manual. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/12/09, BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti wrote: From: BALDI S.R.L. - Concessionario Olivetti Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100G To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 6:09 AM Hi and many thanks to Ron, Jay and John for their councils for my problem of cancel selection of my Seeburg HF 100 G. For me it is the first time that I see the cancellation unit and before beginning to move something I would want to make some questions. If I move the two screws on the left and to right? I have problems with the cancellation of all the songs. I have found a position (making a regulation) where all the songs of the side " A" they come cancelled but not those of the side " B".? Can be that if I must find the right position of these two screws and so my Seeburg returns to work? The unit of cancellation of the songs of the side " B" remains hidden the other side ? Please can you indicate me the "B" side cancel coil plunger, so i can see if is stuck ? Have you an photo detailed of like function this unit of cancellation? I have the service handbook but this argument does not come dealt. Many thanks for your precious Help :-) Stefano. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 09:58:18 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Aug 12 10:00:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 1400 pilasters In-Reply-To: <200908120954279.SM03676@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <416184.24466.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Aaron, You can not "attach" anything to this list-- I thought that "Lexan" was "invented" (by GE) in the mid to late 60's--are you sure that they are made of it ? Ron --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Wurlitzer 1400 pilasters To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 6:54 AM The sad thing is that I don't have the Rock-Ola any more so there really isn't a need to do the test. But it's one of those "what if" things that have bugged me for a long time. I stand corrected on the material the plastic sheet was made of.. it was so flexible that it must have been Lexan and not Acrylic. I never tried a hair dryer... and I knew a heat gun, even on a wide dispersal of the heat, would be too much. What I was going to do is build a heat cabinet using a small radiator-type space heater. I use a heat cabinet out of some saw horses, some 2 x 4s, a heavy canvas drop cloth, and that space heater whenever I wash down a mech and have to dry it thorougly. I figured that with the heat set for very low, and the cabinet covered...over time, the plastic should "melt" over the form without breakage or warpage. Never tried it...but this may work for the 1400 plastics that need to be replaced. Just a thought. Aaron -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From steve at pro-ns.net Wed Aug 12 11:34:21 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Wed Aug 12 11:36:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Sample message board. Not ideal ! In-Reply-To: <9A89D29294BA412DA7DA374CC9E2F2B9@TCSShop> References: <8CBE573ED8FB68D-364-1966@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> <165664.75285.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9A89D29294BA412DA7DA374CC9E2F2B9@TCSShop> Message-ID: <20090812183421.GG16185@pro-ns.net> Sorry to bring this off-topic stuff back up, but: On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:45:52PM -0400, Steve Kline wrote: > If there is some way to CONTROL the OT stuff, then the old way is fine. If there is a subject I'm not interested in on this list, I just delete all the messages with the same subject line. My mail program has a single command to do that. But I use mutt, an old style unix text based mail reader. Do the current fancy windowed email programs have this feature? --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net From steve at pro-ns.net Wed Aug 12 12:59:17 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Wed Aug 12 13:03:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Searchable Archives In-Reply-To: <05F3DD364C6A41A381BA3631A4560A19@Marksvaio> References: <20090807190002.F2FC0AB0D4@lists.netlojix.com> <05F3DD364C6A41A381BA3631A4560A19@Marksvaio> Message-ID: <20090812195917.GA17010@pro-ns.net> On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 04:29:09PM -0400, Mark Addleson wrote: > I'd love to be able to search the records. You can do this, but it > is unwieldy. I think I've said this before, but to search the archives, you can use google and tell it to look only in the jukebox list archives. To do this, go to google and put site:webreports.netlojix.com/pipermail/jukebox-list/ on the front of your search. Did you know that, and you just find adding the site term to be the unwieldy part? I think it's pretty easy to make up a (portion of a) web page that can do that for you -- but I'm an embedded C programmer, not a web author, so it'd take me some reading to figure it out. If there's enough interest, I'll see if I can figure out how it's done, and then ask Jay if he'd be willing to integrate it into the footers on the list and/or the archives web site. --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Real men don't take backups, they just "mv home.tar.gz olsen_twins_hottub.mpg" and share it on KaZaA -- Unknown From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 13:15:49 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Aug 12 13:54:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-74 Preamp Board In-Reply-To: <4A82469D.8050200@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <228981.44942.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dick, Sorry, I can't find my Rowe cross list ?? Do the parts themselves have anything on them ? Maybe I have something that will cross them-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Dick Habegger wrote: From: Dick Habegger Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-74 Preamp Board To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 9:35 PM Hi Ron: Here are the Rowe Numbers: Q1,Q2,Q6,Q7;? 705-00300 Q4;? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 701-00300 Q8,Q11;? ? ? ? ? ? 702-00300 Q8,Q10;? ? ? ? ? ? 703-00300 As it is right now, all of the transistors have tested ok! But to be safe, I would appreciate checking. Thank you, Dick. > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:05:18 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-74 Preamp Board > > Dick, > Do you have the Rowe pt #, or is there a number on the device? I MAY have a cross--Ron Rich >??? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 20:06:55 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Wed Aug 12 20:28:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing Message-ID: <887007.85608.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I just loaded all 100 cds into my cd-51 & performed a full initialize,but when I go to get & play a CD;no matter what key # I press on the keyboard it says "disc not available".for? some reason it's not letting me play my cds?? I put an awfl lot of work into this juke,and then have it tell me no discs are available to play is very frustrating!I don't even get to punch in the 2 digit disc #;I just press the first digit & it says disc not available.what could be causing this?? thanks in advance for your help! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 20:37:16 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Wed Aug 12 20:43:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <887007.85608.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <887007.85608.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Do you have the discs loaded facing the right direction? (when the disc is loaded on the player during initialization, the label faces the top) If so, try cleaning the lens of the CD player (I'm assuming you know the proper procedure for static discharge prior to coming anywhere near the player?) Outside of this, sounds like the player is not properly reading the table of contents (TOC), which makes the player itself suspect. Does this juke have the original player or has it been upgraded to a CD-Pro? Thomas On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Ken wrote: > I just loaded all 100 cds into my cd-51 & performed a full initialize,but > when I go to get & play a CD;no matter what key # I press on the keyboard it > says "disc not available".for some reason it's not letting me play my cds?? > I put an awfl lot of work into this juke,and then have it tell me no discs > are available to play is very frustrating!I don't even get to punch in the 2 > digit disc #;I just press the first digit & it says disc not available.what > could be causing this?? thanks in advance for your help! > Ken > '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 20:42:19 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Wed Aug 12 20:47:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: References: <887007.85608.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Another thing to try is to start a full initalization of discs and make a selection of a song on a disc not yet initialized. The jukebox should allow the selection to be made. Now whether it actually plays the selected song or not will determine if the fault is in the player or the CCC... Thomas On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Thomas Teeter wrote: > Do you have the discs loaded facing the right direction? (when the disc is > loaded on the player during initialization, the label faces the top) > If so, try cleaning the lens of the CD player (I'm assuming you know the > proper procedure for static discharge prior to coming anywhere near the > player?) > Outside of this, sounds like the player is not properly reading the table > of contents (TOC), which makes the player itself suspect. Does this juke > have the original player or has it been upgraded to a CD-Pro? > > Thomas > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Ken wrote: > >> I just loaded all 100 cds into my cd-51 & performed a full initialize,but >> when I go to get & play a CD;no matter what key # I press on the keyboard it >> says "disc not available".for some reason it's not letting me play my cds?? >> I put an awfl lot of work into this juke,and then have it tell me no discs >> are available to play is very frustrating!I don't even get to punch in the 2 >> digit disc #;I just press the first digit & it says disc not available.what >> could be causing this?? thanks in advance for your help! >> Ken >> '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From myronmassie at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 02:30:36 2009 From: myronmassie at yahoo.com (Myron Massie) Date: Thu Aug 13 08:30:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3010 jukebox Message-ID: <55230.70849.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> hello. i have wurlitzer 3010 jukebox?with selection problems.? when i select A-1 it will pick up A-3 this only happens with #1.? when i hold the #1 down when making a selection will pick up the correct record.? i have clean and lubricated switches and made latch adjustments.? i also removed the selector assembly to check?rotating plate and rocker arm alignment they seem to be ok.? the juke has been out of service for a long time.?? From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 03:22:09 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Thu Aug 13 08:30:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <11406.92186.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I will try that last tip;thanks.One thing I just thought of this morning that may be the problem: even though the P.O. had copied or burned discs already loaded in the juke & he did assure me burned cd's will play in it;every single CD I loaded into the juke yesterday was a copy.Most of the cd's that were in the juke before I pulled them were originals.Now I was thinking....would it make any difference what format was used when they were copied or how they were copied???Any difference from just directly copying a cd or burning it in MP3 format??If it can read mp3's it should read copied discs correct?? Or isn't there any difference??The last cd I played before I went through the juke & cleaned it up was an original(played perfectly);the P.O. did say the juke had come from the home of a smoker,and many cd's that were still in there were filthy before I cleaned them.I did clean the player eye with those wet wipes you normally use for cleaning an LCD monitor screen;I hope that didn't hurt it.That's all I can think of right now;when I get home I will try a single disc init. with an original & see what happens.Thanks in advance for your help! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 11:42 PM Another thing to try is to start a full initalization of discs and make a selection of a song on a disc not yet initialized. The jukebox should allow the selection to be made. Now whether it actually plays the selected song or not will determine if the fault is in the player or the CCC... Thomas On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Thomas Teeter wrote: > Do you have the discs loaded facing the right direction? (when the disc is > loaded on the player during initialization, the label faces the top) > If so, try cleaning the lens of the CD player (I'm assuming you know the > proper procedure for static discharge prior to coming anywhere near the > player?) > Outside of this, sounds like the player is not properly reading the table > of contents (TOC), which makes the player itself suspect. Does this juke > have the original player or has it been upgraded to a CD-Pro? > > Thomas > >???On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Ken wrote: > >> I just loaded all 100 cds into my cd-51 & performed a full initialize,but >> when I go to get & play a CD;no matter what key # I press on the keyboard it >> says "disc not available".for? some reason it's not letting me play my cds?? >> I put an awfl lot of work into this juke,and then have it tell me no discs >> are available to play is very frustrating!I don't even get to punch in the 2 >> digit disc #;I just press the first digit & it says disc not available.what >> could be causing this?? thanks in advance for your help! >> Ken >> '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 03:43:33 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Thu Aug 13 08:30:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <593538.28480.qm@web63203.mail.re1.yahoo.com> BTW ...yes all of the labels are facing the correct way..... ken --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 11:42 PM Another thing to try is to start a full initalization of discs and make a selection of a song on a disc not yet initialized. The jukebox should allow the selection to be made. Now whether it actually plays the selected song or not will determine if the fault is in the player or the CCC... Thomas On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Thomas Teeter wrote: > Do you have the discs loaded facing the right direction? (when the disc is > loaded on the player during initialization, the label faces the top) > If so, try cleaning the lens of the CD player (I'm assuming you know the > proper procedure for static discharge prior to coming anywhere near the > player?) > Outside of this, sounds like the player is not properly reading the table > of contents (TOC), which makes the player itself suspect. Does this juke > have the original player or has it been upgraded to a CD-Pro? > > Thomas > >???On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Ken wrote: > >> I just loaded all 100 cds into my cd-51 & performed a full initialize,but >> when I go to get & play a CD;no matter what key # I press on the keyboard it >> says "disc not available".for? some reason it's not letting me play my cds?? >> I put an awfl lot of work into this juke,and then have it tell me no discs >> are available to play is very frustrating!I don't even get to punch in the 2 >> digit disc #;I just press the first digit & it says disc not available.what >> could be causing this?? thanks in advance for your help! >> Ken >> '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 07:22:12 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 13 08:30:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <887007.85608.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <998011.89406.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ken, What model player is in it--which version CCC, and MCC ("Chips") ?? Ronn Rich --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 8:06 PM I just loaded all 100 cds into my cd-51 & performed a full initialize,but when I go to get & play a CD;no matter what key # I press on the keyboard it says "disc not available".for? some reason it's not letting me play my cds?? I put an awfl lot of work into this juke,and then have it tell me no discs are available to play is very frustrating!I don't even get to punch in the 2 digit disc #;I just press the first digit & it says disc not available.what could be causing this?? thanks in advance for your help! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Thu Aug 13 08:43:25 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Aug 13 10:08:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <11406.92186.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <11406.92186.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A84349D.7010400@west.net> Ken wrote: > I will try that last tip;thanks.One thing I just thought of this morning that may be the problem: even though the P.O. had copied or burned discs already loaded in the juke & he did assure me burned cd's will play in it;every single CD I loaded into the juke yesterday was a copy.Most of the cd's that were in the juke before I pulled them were originals.Now I was thinking....would it make any difference what format was used when they were copied or how they were copied???Any difference from just directly copying a cd or burning it in MP3 format??If it can read mp3's it should read copied discs correct?? Or isn't there any difference??The last cd I played before I went through the juke & cleaned it up was an original(played perfectly);the P.O. did say the juke had come from the home of a smoker,and many cd's that were still in there were filthy before I cleaned them.I did clean the player eye with those wet wipes you normally use for cleaning an LCD > monitor screen;I hope that didn't hurt it.That's all I can think of right now;when I get home I will try a single disc init. with an original & see what happens.Thanks in advance for your help! I would be very surprised if MP3 CDs would work at all. That is a pretty recent format and unlikely to be supported. Try a factory CD is a couple of slots. If you burn your own CDs, burn them as conventional audio disks and not MP3. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pinball at telus.net Thu Aug 13 08:56:53 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Aug 13 10:09:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3010 jukebox In-Reply-To: <55230.70849.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <55230.70849.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A8437C5.4010105@telus.net> Myron Massie wrote: > hello. i have wurlitzer 3010 jukebox with selection problems. when i select A-1 it will pick up A-3 this only happens with #1. when i hold the #1 down when making a selection will pick up the correct record. i have clean and lubricated switches and made latch adjustments. i also removed the selector assembly to check rotating plate and rocker arm alignment they seem to be ok. the juke has been out of service for a long time. > > Hi Myron, So - if you first latch #1 and then press a letter key "A" (in this case), the machine plays A3? And if you first latch "A" and then press and hold "1" it works correctly - plays A1? Then you have not got the Number Latch Adjustment quite right. The way to adjust it is to be holding down the #1 key (as that is the one giving any trouble) while you loosen, then tighten the hex machine screw adjustment. Note that the adjustment requires the small plate to be pressed up against the latch so when tested it 'just' slips into place for the #1 key. It should be OK if it is a bit loose on other keys - say .001to .01 play. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 10:14:26 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 13 10:31:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3010 jukebox In-Reply-To: <55230.70849.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <313227.36676.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> What you need to do is determine if it's pulling the correct pin, or stopping wrong. I think it may be a coincidence that you think that holding the #1 button causes it to operate right ? Check this by watching the pin "pop-up"--Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Myron Massie wrote: From: Myron Massie Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3010 jukebox To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 2:30 AM hello. i have wurlitzer 3010 jukebox?with selection problems.? when i select A-1 it will pick up A-3 this only happens with #1.? when i hold the #1 down when making a selection will pick up the correct record.? i have clean and lubricated switches and made latch adjustments.? i also removed the selector assembly to check?rotating plate and rocker arm alignment they seem to be ok.? the juke has been out of service for a long time.?? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 10:19:10 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 13 10:31:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <11406.92186.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <52108.93580.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ken, If you used "wet wipes" on it, you may have ruined the laser--BTW, I had a "Phillips" factory rep tell me that they "were not designed to play burned CD's" (CDM-3 or 4's) ?? Try a "real CD"-- initialize it first-- Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 3:22 AM I will try that last tip;thanks.One thing I just thought of this morning that may be the problem: even though the P.O. had copied or burned discs already loaded in the juke & he did assure me burned cd's will play in it;every single CD I loaded into the juke yesterday was a copy.Most of the cd's that were in the juke before I pulled them were originals.Now I was thinking....would it make any difference what format was used when they were copied or how they were copied???Any difference from just directly copying a cd or burning it in MP3 format??If it can read mp3's it should read copied discs correct?? Or isn't there any difference??The last cd I played before I went through the juke & cleaned it up was an original(played perfectly);the P.O. did say the juke had come from the home of a smoker,and many cd's that were still in there were filthy before I cleaned them.I did clean the player eye with those wet wipes you normally use for cleaning an LCD monitor screen;I hope that didn't hurt it.That's all I can think of right now;when I get home I will try a single disc init. with an original & see what happens.Thanks in advance for your help! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 11:42 PM Another thing to try is to start a full initalization of discs and make a selection of a song on a disc not yet initialized. The jukebox should allow the selection to be made. Now whether it actually plays the selected song or not will determine if the fault is in the player or the CCC... Thomas On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Thomas Teeter wrote: > Do you have the discs loaded facing the right direction? (when the disc is > loaded on the player during initialization, the label faces the top) > If so, try cleaning the lens of the CD player (I'm assuming you know the > proper procedure for static discharge prior to coming anywhere near the > player?) > Outside of this, sounds like the player is not properly reading the table > of contents (TOC), which makes the player itself suspect. Does this juke > have the original player or has it been upgraded to a CD-Pro? > > Thomas > >???On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Ken wrote: > >> I just loaded all 100 cds into my cd-51 & performed a full initialize,but >> when I go to get & play a CD;no matter what key # I press on the keyboard it >> says "disc not available".for? some reason it's not letting me play my cds?? >> I put an awfl lot of work into this juke,and then have it tell me no discs >> are available to play is very frustrating!I don't even get to punch in the 2 >> digit disc #;I just press the first digit & it says disc not available.what >> could be causing this?? thanks in advance for your help! >> Ken >> '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 10:21:10 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Thu Aug 13 10:31:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <4A84349D.7010400@west.net> References: <11406.92186.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <4A84349D.7010400@west.net> Message-ID: Jay brings up a good point. I didn't read the original post close enough. If you burn your own discs, they will have to be done as conventional discs and not MP3. This is for sure on all players prior to the CD-PRO, and possibly even for this player. Thomas On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Ken wrote: > >> I will try that last tip;thanks.One thing I just thought of this morning >> that may be the problem: even though the P.O. had copied or burned discs >> already loaded in the juke & he did assure me burned cd's will play in >> it;every single CD I loaded into the juke yesterday was a copy.Most of the >> cd's that were in the juke before I pulled them were originals.Now I was >> thinking....would it make any difference what format was used when they were >> copied or how they were copied???Any difference from just directly copying a >> cd or burning it in MP3 format??If it can read mp3's it should read copied >> discs correct?? Or isn't there any difference??The last cd I played before I >> went through the juke & cleaned it up was an original(played perfectly);the >> P.O. did say the juke had come from the home of a smoker,and many cd's that >> were still in there were filthy before I cleaned them.I did clean the player >> eye with those wet wipes you normally use for cleaning an LCD >> monitor screen;I hope that didn't hurt it.That's all I can think of right >> now;when I get home I will try a single disc init. with an original & see >> what happens.Thanks in advance for your help! >> > > I would be very surprised if MP3 CDs would work at all. That is a pretty > recent format and unlikely to be supported. Try a factory CD is a couple of > slots. If you burn your own CDs, burn them as conventional audio disks and > not MP3. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From pinballpauls at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 12:20:53 2009 From: pinballpauls at gmail.com (Paul Howlett) Date: Thu Aug 13 15:38:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <11406.92186.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <11406.92186.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It will only play CD's recorded in the CD format, not MP3's On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:22 AM, Ken wrote: > I will try that last tip;thanks.One thing I just thought of this morning > that may be the problem: even though the P.O. had copied or burned discs > already loaded in the juke & he did assure me burned cd's will play in > it;every single CD I loaded into the juke yesterday was a copy.Most of the > cd's that were in the juke before I pulled them were originals.Now I was > thinking....would it make any difference what format was used when they were > copied or how they were copied???Any difference from just directly copying a > cd or burning it in MP3 format??If it can read mp3's it should read copied > discs correct?? Or isn't there any difference??The last cd I played before I > went through the juke & cleaned it up was an original(played perfectly);the > P.O. did say the juke had come from the home of a smoker,and many cd's that > were still in there were filthy before I cleaned them.I did clean the player > eye with those wet wipes you normally use for cleaning an LCD > monitor screen;I hope that didn't hurt it.That's all I can think of right > now;when I get home I will try a single disc init. with an original & see > what happens.Thanks in advance for your help! > Ken > '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 > > --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: > > > From: Thomas Teeter > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 11:42 PM > > > Another thing to try is to start a full initalization of discs and make a > selection of a song on a disc not yet initialized. The jukebox should allow > the selection to be made. Now whether it actually plays the selected song > or > not will determine if the fault is in the player or the CCC... > > Thomas > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Thomas Teeter > wrote: > > > Do you have the discs loaded facing the right direction? (when the disc > is > > loaded on the player during initialization, the label faces the top) > > If so, try cleaning the lens of the CD player (I'm assuming you know the > > proper procedure for static discharge prior to coming anywhere near the > > player?) > > Outside of this, sounds like the player is not properly reading the table > > of contents (TOC), which makes the player itself suspect. Does this juke > > have the original player or has it been upgraded to a CD-Pro? > > > > Thomas > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Ken > wrote: > > > >> I just loaded all 100 cds into my cd-51 & performed a full > initialize,but > >> when I go to get & play a CD;no matter what key # I press on the > keyboard it > >> says "disc not available".for some reason it's not letting me play my > cds?? > >> I put an awfl lot of work into this juke,and then have it tell me no > discs > >> are available to play is very frustrating!I don't even get to punch in > the 2 > >> digit disc #;I just press the first digit & it says disc not > available.what > >> could be causing this?? thanks in advance for your help! > >> Ken > >> '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Thomas Teeter > > absolutelygreatgames.com > > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > > > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 15:54:53 2009 From: jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Fri Aug 14 08:25:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ROWE CD-51 Message-ID: <109932.5541.qm@web53104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Initialization is mainly for 'drunk-proofing'(IMHO). If a person would select a bogus selection number, the juke wouldn't steal a credit. If you pick a track number that is to high, it will tell you that. It is also for auto-play(so the computer doesn't pick an incorrect number) You can go to 30 and enter it, turn it ON, then go to service and 33 it. Now the juke will think the slot is 'OK' to play and there are 99 tracks on the disc. Once you make a selection, the mech should go to the slot, pick up the disc, set it down and spin it. If its a 'good' disc, it should play the track. It initializes itself, and it checks the TOC(table of contents) each time it plays. If it can't do that, it will reject. If there is no TOC, (IE, a copy of a good disc) or its damaged, it won't recognize it as a good disc.(Does the disc spin when set down? If its a good disc it will look like it gets rejected before it stops spinning. If its bad, it will either not spin or it will spin for a few seconds)?You should only clean a player lens with lens cleaner.(look in the book for proper cleaning instructions) As far as I know, only jukes and high-end CD players look for the TOC. If you have trouble playing copies, it could be the blank or the speed of the copy. Philips did block high speed copies at one time.(They will tell you other wise) You can check your software at 88. If you don't have 88, you should update. One thing that I cant stress enough is having a properly wired and ground AC outlet. John the Jukebox Man From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 18:00:26 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Fri Aug 14 08:25:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <680433.88988.qm@web63203.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Just got done eating dinner (sesame chix)..sooo I installed an orig. CD in slot 00 (abba gold) and programmed just 1 cd....well let me tell ya..IT WORKS!.Obviously no damage to the laser(thank god!)...that problem solved...now onto the other issue..when I directly copy a music cd onto a blank(I can do that since I have 2 optical drives)....how can I make sure its?copied as a conventional cd?& not mp3?? Since I don't know anything about mp3 stuff?that's all greek to me (lol)I thought that was what I was doing when I copied my discs;I dont copy the disc to the hard drive 1st-I burn them from the orig. to the blank at the same time(quick copy)BTW I use nero;does that make any difference?? Thank you! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 1:21 PM Jay brings up a good point. I didn't read the original post close enough. If you burn your own discs, they will have to be done as conventional discs and not MP3. This is for sure on all players prior to the CD-PRO, and possibly even for this player. Thomas On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Ken wrote: > >> I will try that last tip;thanks.One thing I just thought of this morning >> that may be the problem: even though the P.O. had copied or burned discs >> already loaded in the juke & he did assure me burned cd's will play in >> it;every single CD I loaded into the juke yesterday was a copy.Most of the >> cd's that were in the juke before I pulled them were originals.Now I was >> thinking....would it make any difference what format was used when they were >> copied or how they were copied???Any difference from just directly copying a >> cd or burning it in MP3 format??If it can read mp3's it should read copied >> discs correct?? Or isn't there any difference??The last cd I played before I >> went through the juke & cleaned it up was an original(played perfectly);the >> P.O. did say the juke had come from the home of a smoker,and many cd's that >> were still in there were filthy before I cleaned them.I did clean the player >> eye with those wet wipes you normally use for cleaning an LCD >>? monitor screen;I hope that didn't hurt it.That's all I can think of right >> now;when I get home I will try a single disc init. with an original & see >> what happens.Thanks in advance for your help! >> > > I would be very surprised if MP3 CDs would work at all.? That is a pretty > recent format and unlikely to be supported.? Try a factory CD is a couple of > slots.? If you burn your own CDs, burn them as conventional audio disks and > not MP3. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From myronmassie at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 19:08:11 2009 From: myronmassie at yahoo.com (Myron Massie) Date: Fri Aug 14 08:25:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3010 jukebox In-Reply-To: <4A8437C5.4010105@telus.net> Message-ID: <167714.28061.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> john thanks for your? reply.? i tried to make the adjustment but got the same results. i will try again tomorrow i could be missing?something.? ? --- On Thu, 8/13/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3010 jukebox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 11:56 AM Myron Massie wrote: > hello. i have wurlitzer 3010 jukebox with selection problems.? when i select A-1 it will pick up A-3 this only happens with #1.? when i hold the #1 down when making a selection will pick up the correct record.? i have clean and lubricated switches and made latch adjustments.? i also removed the selector assembly to check rotating plate and rocker arm alignment they seem to be ok.? the juke has been out of service for a long time.? >??? Hi Myron, So - if you first latch #1 and then press a letter key "A" (in this case), the machine plays A3? And if you first latch "A" and then press and hold "1" it works correctly - plays A1? Then you have not got the Number Latch Adjustment quite right. The way to adjust it is to be holding down the #1 key (as that is the one giving any trouble) while you loosen, then tighten the hex machine screw adjustment. Note that the adjustment requires the small plate to be pressed up against the latch so when tested it 'just' slips into place for the #1 key. It should be OK if it is a bit loose on other keys - say .001to .01 play. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From myronmassie at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 19:21:58 2009 From: myronmassie at yahoo.com (Myron Massie) Date: Fri Aug 14 08:25:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3010 jukebox In-Reply-To: <313227.36676.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <450979.94979.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> thanks for your reply.? Ron it?pulled the correct pins and i made adjustment to the selector switches?but it did correct?the problem. ? It will also make a poping sound sometimes when a selection is made.??? --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3010 jukebox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 1:14 PM What you need to do is determine if it's pulling the correct pin, or stopping wrong. I think it may be a coincidence that you think that holding the #1 button causes it to operate right ? Check this by watching the pin "pop-up"--Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Myron Massie wrote: From: Myron Massie Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3010 jukebox To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 2:30 AM hello. i have wurlitzer 3010 jukebox?with selection problems.? when i select A-1 it will pick up A-3 this only happens with #1.? when i hold the #1 down when making a selection will pick up the correct record.? i have clean and lubricated switches and made latch adjustments.? i also removed the selector assembly to check?rotating plate and rocker arm alignment they seem to be ok.? the juke has been out of service for a long time.?? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 19:40:36 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Aug 14 08:25:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <11406.92186.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <901036.31668.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Ken wrote: > Now I was > thinking....would it make any difference what format was > used when they were copied or how they were copied???Any > difference from just directly copying a cd or burning it in > MP3 format?? That's a little like asking if a 78 jukebox can play 45s cut on a Presto record lathe. Consider the practices of the day. From amej at ix.netcom.com Thu Aug 13 19:07:11 2009 From: amej at ix.netcom.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Fri Aug 14 08:25:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe R-74 Preamp Board Message-ID: <4A84C6CF.1040603@ix.netcom.com> Hi Ron, Here are the part ID's: Q1,Q2,Q6,Q7; 705-00300 S-300E Q4; 701-00300 S-300A Q8,Q11; 702-00300 S-300B Q8,Q10; 703-00300 S-300C Off-list, Erwin Boot added these comments: > Rowe and AMI used the 7XX-00300 numbering series, where 7 is the > prefix S and XX is the position in the alphabet of the suffix; for > instance 701-300 would be S300A and 708-300 would be S300H - not that > that in itself tells you what the part is of course! > > My memory is that 300 was used for NPN, 301 for PNP but they also > rolled over into 302, 303, 304 etc. > > Back in the 70's I spent an eternity going through amplifiers and > cross-referencing Rowe house numbers to manufacturer's ID, and I > remember a couple: S300H was an MPS-A06 and S301D was an MPS-A56 Thank you for the follow up, Dick Habegger > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:15:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-74 Preamp > Board To: Jukebox mailing list Dick, > Sorry, I can't find my Rowe cross list ?? Do the parts themselves have > anything on them ? Maybe I have something that will cross them-- Ron > Rich --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Dick Habegger wrote: > From: Dick Habegger Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe > R-74 Preamp Board To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, > August 11, 2009, 9:35 PM Hi Ron: Here are the Rowe Numbers: > Q1,Q2,Q6,Q7; 705-00300 Q4; 701-00300 Q8,Q11; > 702-00300 Q8,Q10; 703-00300 As it is right now, all of the > transistors have tested ok! But to be safe, I would appreciate > checking. Thank you, Dick. >> > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:05:18 -0700 (PDT) >> > From: Ron Rich >> > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-74 Preamp Board >> > >> > Dick, >> > Do you have the Rowe pt #, or is there a number on the device? I MAY have a cross--Ron Rich >> > >> From oldjukes at hotmail.com Thu Aug 13 20:41:32 2009 From: oldjukes at hotmail.com (Hans Minderman) Date: Fri Aug 14 08:25:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ristaucrat 45 spindle and ChiCoin Hitparade Message-ID: Hi All, In addition to the Hitparade I'm also working on a ristaucrat 45 (the non-selective one). Does anyone have a spare record spindle for that or do you know if you can simply replace it with an RCA one (if so, which model). As regards the ChiCoin hitparade, I was able to make the torsion springs for the credit unit and selector switch from some off-the shelf springs from a local hardware store. Next question is, does anyone have a picture of the back side of this juke? I found mine with the amp attached to the back (which I believe is the original position???) but the amp does not have a cover and I was wondering what it looked like. Oh, and Joey, thanks again for the lead for the chicoin reproductions. However, I wrote Brad and he only reproduces the band box, not the hitparade. Thanks, -Hans _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync:082009 From webmaster at guestwho.com Thu Aug 13 22:50:55 2009 From: webmaster at guestwho.com (Chris Ralph) Date: Fri Aug 14 08:25:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Resistor value? Message-ID: Hi all, I burnt out a resistor on my 543 amp after I accidentally reversed a capacitor. I'm pretty sure it's R28, 310 ohm 5W (big orange resistor, attached to V10), but I'm unable to find a 310ohm resistor. According to what I read, the nearest value is 300 ohm or 330 ohm (easy to find either of these).. should I go higher or lower here ? is there a general rule ? Also, should I go with the ceramic coated ones instead of regular 5W carbon film? Chris From dppe at inebraska.com Fri Aug 14 05:54:16 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Fri Aug 14 08:25:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg JL100 Selection Problems Message-ID: I'm having problems with no response at all to my G and H rows of numbers. When I manually move the pin in back it does select and stop at the correct selection. I'm also not getting the odd numbers (1,3,5,7,9) of the E row. The E row does fire the pin in back when it is selected, but the control block goes right on past these numbers without stopping. I have tried jiggling the pins in the E row numerous times (well over 100) with my fingers and used contact cleaner on them with no luck. I am guessing, though I could be wrong, that the G and H row problems may be in the 27 pin selector plug in the Receiver at the back of the jukebox??? I have looked briefly inside this large selection plug and did not see any loose wires? If this is thought to be the problem, can anybody explain how the selected letter and number buttons correspond to the pins in the 27 pin selection plug as I do not follow the numbering system in the manual. Boy! sorry about all of this, but I do have some real headaches with this. Thanks in advance for all of your help and any suggestions. Dana From jddieterle at hughes.net Fri Aug 14 08:32:59 2009 From: jddieterle at hughes.net (Jeff Dieterle) Date: Fri Aug 14 09:14:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <20090813190003.474B7AABBD@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090813190003.474B7AABBD@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <02ED7566BB8E4F609D14394FDB03BFBA@JeffPC> > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:21:10 -0500 > From: Thomas Teeter > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing > To: Jukebox mailing list > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Jay brings up a good point. I didn't read the original post close enough. > If > you burn your own discs, they will have to be done as conventional discs > and > not MP3. This is for sure on all players prior to the CD-PRO, and possibly > even for this player. > > Thomas > Please explain the procedure for conventional or audio disc burning as stated previously using windows versus burning to the mp3 format. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Aug 14 08:40:40 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Aug 14 09:14:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3010 jukebox In-Reply-To: <450979.94979.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <84482.29516.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Myron, Yo have me totally confused with this post---If the correct pin is being released, and the phono is still playing the wrong selection, the problem(s) can not be in the "keyboard", or "Electrical Selector"----Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Myron Massie wrote: From: Myron Massie Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3010 jukebox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 7:21 PM thanks for your reply.? Ron it?pulled the correct pins and i made adjustment to the selector switches?but it did correct?the problem. ? It will also make a poping sound sometimes when a selection is made.??? --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3010 jukebox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 1:14 PM What you need to do is determine if it's pulling the correct pin, or stopping wrong. I think it may be a coincidence that you think that holding the #1 button causes it to operate right ? Check this by watching the pin "pop-up"--Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Myron Massie wrote: From: Myron Massie Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3010 jukebox To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 2:30 AM hello. i have wurlitzer 3010 jukebox?with selection problems.? when i select A-1 it will pick up A-3 this only happens with #1.? when i hold the #1 down when making a selection will pick up the correct record.? i have clean and lubricated switches and made latch adjustments.? i also removed the selector assembly to check?rotating plate and rocker arm alignment they seem to be ok.? the juke has been out of service for a long time.?? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Aug 14 08:58:17 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Aug 14 09:15:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <680433.88988.qm@web63203.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <629299.54816.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Ken wrote: >....how can I make sure its copied as a > conventional cd & not mp3?? ... > BTW I use nero;does that > make any difference?? Thank you! I've never heard of that, but that doesn't mean much. There is a lot of CD software out there. I usually use KB-III (I think that's the name - it comes with Suse) or X-CDRoast. Neither converts file types, and I don't think any software would be doing you a favor by converting file types without your consent. There is a lot of sound lost in the conversion to mp3 - sort of like copying an LP to an 8-track, so it's not something a software author would want to do without the user's permission. That said, you should be able to put your finished CD into the computer and see if it comes up as a music CD, or a data CD with mp3 files on it. I'f the computer says it's a music CD, it's a music CD. mp3 CDs are just data CDs which happen to have mp3 files on them. From jay at west.net Fri Aug 14 09:56:58 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Aug 14 09:58:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Resistor value? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A85975A.7020506@west.net> Chris Ralph wrote: > Hi all, > > I burnt out a resistor on my 543 amp after I accidentally reversed a > capacitor. I'm pretty sure it's R28, 310 ohm 5W (big orange resistor, > attached to V10), but I'm unable to find a 310ohm resistor. > > According to what I read, the nearest value is 300 ohm or 330 ohm (easy > to find either of these).. should I go higher or lower here ? is there > a general rule ? Also, should I go with the ceramic coated ones instead > of regular 5W carbon film? 300 ohm is closer, and the originals are typically 10% tolerance so a nominal 310 could be anything from 279 to 341. A 300 ohm 5% replacement will be somewhere between 285 and 315. These values in that power range are likely to be wirewound. The rectangular "sand-block" type will be fine. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From myronmassie at yahoo.com Fri Aug 14 10:02:21 2009 From: myronmassie at yahoo.com (Myron Massie) Date: Fri Aug 14 10:21:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3010 jukebox In-Reply-To: <84482.29516.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51311.21444.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ron i corrected the problem by adjusting the connector link plate. thanks for your response --- On Fri, 8/14/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3010 jukebox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 11:40 AM Myron, Yo have me totally confused with this post---If the correct pin is being released, and the phono is still playing the wrong selection, the problem(s) can not be in the "keyboard", or "Electrical Selector"----Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Myron Massie wrote: From: Myron Massie Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3010 jukebox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 7:21 PM thanks for your reply.? Ron it?pulled the correct pins and i made adjustment to the selector switches?but it did correct?the problem. ? It will also make a poping sound sometimes when a selection is made.??? --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3010 jukebox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 1:14 PM What you need to do is determine if it's pulling the correct pin, or stopping wrong. I think it may be a coincidence that you think that holding the #1 button causes it to operate right ? Check this by watching the pin "pop-up"--Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Myron Massie wrote: From: Myron Massie Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3010 jukebox To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 2:30 AM hello. i have wurlitzer 3010 jukebox?with selection problems.? when i select A-1 it will pick up A-3 this only happens with #1.? when i hold the #1 down when making a selection will pick up the correct record.? i have clean and lubricated switches and made latch adjustments.? i also removed the selector assembly to check?rotating plate and rocker arm alignment they seem to be ok.? the juke has been out of service for a long time.?? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Fri Aug 14 10:32:04 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Aug 14 10:36:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ristaucrat 45 spindle and ChiCoin Hitparade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A859F94.3090305@west.net> Hans Minderman wrote: > Hi All, > > In addition to the Hitparade I'm also working on a ristaucrat 45 (the non-selective one). Does anyone have a spare record spindle for that or do you know if you can simply replace it with an RCA one (if so, which model). These are based on the earlier RCA players, the RP168 as opposed to the RP190. A spindle assembly from the RP168 series should work. The top of the spindle on the original Ristaucrat may be a bit taller than some of the RP168 players, which will allow you to load more records. The spindle is part of the turntable so you can swap the whole turntable or disassemble the guts of the spindle mechanism. The RP190 spindle won't work. For quick identification, to the best of my knowledge the RP168 changers all had a cast metal curved tonearm and the RP190 had a zigzag plastic tonearm. Conveniently, Howard Wintermantel recently posted a link to the service documentation for both the RP168 and RP190, here: http://oldtech.net/TT.html -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pinballpauls at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 11:51:22 2009 From: pinballpauls at gmail.com (Paul Howlett) Date: Fri Aug 14 12:17:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <680433.88988.qm@web63203.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <680433.88988.qm@web63203.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You could use a program like CD Burner XP (free) to make your CD's, that way you could put whatever songs you wanted on a CD. Just make sure you are in CD format. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Ken wrote: > Just got done eating dinner (sesame chix)..sooo I installed an orig. CD in > slot 00 (abba gold) and programmed just 1 cd....well let me tell ya..IT > WORKS!.Obviously no damage to the laser(thank god!)...that problem > solved...now onto the other issue..when I directly copy a music cd onto a > blank(I can do that since I have 2 optical drives)....how can I make sure > its copied as a conventional cd & not mp3?? Since I don't know anything > about mp3 stuff that's all greek to me (lol)I thought that was what I was > doing when I copied my discs;I dont copy the disc to the hard drive 1st-I > burn them from the orig. to the blank at the same time(quick copy)BTW I use > nero;does that make any difference?? Thank you! > Ken > '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 > '70 GTB Baseball > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: > > > From: Thomas Teeter > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 1:21 PM > > > Jay brings up a good point. I didn't read the original post close enough. > If > you burn your own discs, they will have to be done as conventional discs > and > not MP3. This is for sure on all players prior to the CD-PRO, and possibly > even for this player. > > Thomas > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > > > Ken wrote: > > > >> I will try that last tip;thanks.One thing I just thought of this morning > >> that may be the problem: even though the P.O. had copied or burned discs > >> already loaded in the juke & he did assure me burned cd's will play in > >> it;every single CD I loaded into the juke yesterday was a copy.Most of > the > >> cd's that were in the juke before I pulled them were originals.Now I was > >> thinking....would it make any difference what format was used when they > were > >> copied or how they were copied???Any difference from just directly > copying a > >> cd or burning it in MP3 format??If it can read mp3's it should read > copied > >> discs correct?? Or isn't there any difference??The last cd I played > before I > >> went through the juke & cleaned it up was an original(played > perfectly);the > >> P.O. did say the juke had come from the home of a smoker,and many cd's > that > >> were still in there were filthy before I cleaned them.I did clean the > player > >> eye with those wet wipes you normally use for cleaning an LCD > >> monitor screen;I hope that didn't hurt it.That's all I can think of > right > >> now;when I get home I will try a single disc init. with an original & > see > >> what happens.Thanks in advance for your help! > >> > > > > I would be very surprised if MP3 CDs would work at all. That is a pretty > > recent format and unlikely to be supported. Try a factory CD is a couple > of > > slots. If you burn your own CDs, burn them as conventional audio disks > and > > not MP3. > > > > -- > > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pinballpauls at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 11:56:54 2009 From: pinballpauls at gmail.com (Paul Howlett) Date: Fri Aug 14 12:17:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg JL100 Selection Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The easy way to determine the problem is to jumper the coils on adjacent bank sections. For example if you select an E or F and pulls both an E and a G the problem is in the keyboard or cabling. If not you have a bad section coil. On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Dana wrote: > I'm having problems with no response at all to my G and H rows of numbers. > When I manually move the pin in back it does select and stop at the correct > selection. I'm also not getting the odd numbers (1,3,5,7,9) of the E row. > The E row does fire the pin in back when it is selected, but the control > block goes right on past these numbers without stopping. I have tried > jiggling the pins in the E row numerous times (well over 100) with my > fingers and used contact cleaner on them with no luck. I am guessing, > though I could be wrong, that the G and H row problems may be in the 27 pin > selector plug in the Receiver at the back of the jukebox??? I have looked > briefly inside this large selection plug and did not see any loose wires? If > this is thought to be the problem, can anybody explain how the selected > letter and number buttons correspond to the pins in the 27 pin selection > plug as I do not follow the numbering system in the manual. Boy! sorry > about all of this, but I do have some real headaches with this. Thanks in > advance for all of your help and any suggestions. Dana > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dppe at inebraska.com Fri Aug 14 14:29:53 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Fri Aug 14 16:11:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg JL100 Selection Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Excuse my ignorance about this, but what do I need to do in order to get to the coils to jumper them. I am assuming I have to remove something? Dana On Aug 14, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Paul Howlett wrote: > The easy way to determine the problem is to jumper the coils on > adjacent > bank sections. For example if you select an E or F and pulls both an E > and a > G the problem is in the keyboard or cabling. If not you have a bad > section > coil. > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Dana wrote: > >> I'm having problems with no response at all to my G and H rows of >> numbers. >> When I manually move the pin in back it does select and stop at the >> correct >> selection. I'm also not getting the odd numbers (1,3,5,7,9) of the E >> row. >> The E row does fire the pin in back when it is selected, but the >> control >> block goes right on past these numbers without stopping. I have tried >> jiggling the pins in the E row numerous times (well over 100) with my >> fingers and used contact cleaner on them with no luck. I am guessing, >> though I could be wrong, that the G and H row problems may be in the >> 27 pin >> selector plug in the Receiver at the back of the jukebox??? I have >> looked >> briefly inside this large selection plug and did not see any loose >> wires? If >> this is thought to be the problem, can anybody explain how the >> selected >> letter and number buttons correspond to the pins in the 27 pin >> selection >> plug as I do not follow the numbering system in the manual. Boy! >> sorry >> about all of this, but I do have some real headaches with this. >> Thanks in >> advance for all of your help and any suggestions. Dana >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From 19k20 at comcast.net Fri Aug 14 14:33:12 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Fri Aug 14 16:11:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <680433.88988.qm@web63203.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <680433.88988.qm@web63203.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01ca1d26$d435aa50$7ca0fef0$@net> Ken, The first thing you need to do is rip the CD you want to copy. Depending on the version of Nero you are using, you can rip, (extract) the audio files from the CD. Find the selection that says something like "Convert Audio CDs to Audio files". This will rip the CD down to individual tracks on your hard drive. Microsoft Media Player version 11 and possible ver. 10 will also let you rip CD's. Make sure in the Media Player options you set it for .wav and not rip to .mp3. Once you have your original CD's ripped, Use Nero to create an Audio CD of the songs you want included on your compilation. Keep in mind, the .wav files are going to be fairly large, 50-60MB each, compared to an .mp3 file of about 10MB, so these will take up a bit of space on your hard drive. Once you create your CD, you can delete the .wav files or convert them to .mp3 for your digital library. Hope this helps. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:00 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing Just got done eating dinner (sesame chix)..sooo I installed an orig. CD in slot 00 (abba gold) and programmed just 1 cd....well let me tell ya..IT WORKS!.Obviously no damage to the laser(thank god!)...that problem solved...now onto the other issue..when I directly copy a music cd onto a blank(I can do that since I have 2 optical drives)....how can I make sure its?copied as a conventional cd?& not mp3?? Since I don't know anything about mp3 stuff?that's all greek to me (lol)I thought that was what I was doing when I copied my discs;I dont copy the disc to the hard drive 1st-I burn them from the orig. to the blank at the same time(quick copy)BTW I use nero;does that make any difference?? Thank you! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 1:21 PM Jay brings up a good point. I didn't read the original post close enough. If you burn your own discs, they will have to be done as conventional discs and not MP3. This is for sure on all players prior to the CD-PRO, and possibly even for this player. Thomas On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Ken wrote: > >> I will try that last tip;thanks.One thing I just thought of this morning >> that may be the problem: even though the P.O. had copied or burned discs >> already loaded in the juke & he did assure me burned cd's will play in >> it;every single CD I loaded into the juke yesterday was a copy.Most of the >> cd's that were in the juke before I pulled them were originals.Now I was >> thinking....would it make any difference what format was used when they were >> copied or how they were copied???Any difference from just directly copying a >> cd or burning it in MP3 format??If it can read mp3's it should read copied >> discs correct?? Or isn't there any difference??The last cd I played before I >> went through the juke & cleaned it up was an original(played perfectly);the >> P.O. did say the juke had come from the home of a smoker,and many cd's that >> were still in there were filthy before I cleaned them.I did clean the player >> eye with those wet wipes you normally use for cleaning an LCD >>? monitor screen;I hope that didn't hurt it.That's all I can think of right >> now;when I get home I will try a single disc init. with an original & see >> what happens.Thanks in advance for your help! >> > > I would be very surprised if MP3 CDs would work at all.? That is a pretty > recent format and unlikely to be supported.? Try a factory CD is a couple of > slots.? If you burn your own CDs, burn them as conventional audio disks and > not MP3. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.55/2301 - Release Date: 08/14/09 06:10:00 From nipper45 at verizon.net Fri Aug 14 14:42:43 2009 From: nipper45 at verizon.net (John Lee) Date: Fri Aug 14 16:11:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ristaucrat 45 spindle and ChiCoin Hitparade In-Reply-To: <4A859F94.3090305@west.net> References: <4A859F94.3090305@west.net> Message-ID: <0KOD00C9NYZC1D75@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> The Ristaucrat may look like an RCA RP-168, but it is a completely different animal underneath the chassis. They may have used some RCA parts, such as the tone arm (slightly modified), motor assembly and internal spindle parts, but the rest is totally different. The Ristaucrat's turntable and upper spindle are two separate sections, while the RCA is one, so you can't just swap the RCA turntable. You may be able to salvage internal parts from an early RP-168 spindle, but there are two types, one is gear driven (may be the same), and the other uses a flatted shaft to push the "knives" apart and pull in the shelves at the same time (later RP-168 and all RP-190). The Williams Music Mite does indeed use a modified RP-168 changer. I've never seen a Hit Parade except in pictures, so don't know what Chicago Coin did. I am currently working on one of these as well. Mine is missing the credit wheel spring and the idler wheel is bad. I hope the idler wheel is the same as the RCA, butt haven't removed the turn table yet. Hope this helps. At 10:32 AM 8/14/2009, you wrote: >Hans Minderman wrote: >>Hi All, >>In addition to the Hitparade I'm also working on a ristaucrat 45 >>(the non-selective one). Does anyone have a spare record spindle >>for that or do you know if you can simply replace it with an RCA >>one (if so, which model). > >These are based on the earlier RCA players, the RP168 as opposed to >the RP190. A spindle assembly from the RP168 series should >work. The top of the spindle on the original Ristaucrat may be a >bit taller than some of the RP168 players, which will allow you to >load more records. The spindle is part of the turntable so you can >swap the whole turntable or disassemble the guts of the spindle mechanism. > >The RP190 spindle won't work. > >For quick identification, to the best of my knowledge the RP168 >changers all had a cast metal curved tonearm and the RP190 had a >zigzag plastic tonearm. > >Conveniently, Howard Wintermantel recently posted a link to the >service documentation for both the RP168 and RP190, here: >http://oldtech.net/TT.html > >-- >Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net >Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ >Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.55/2301 - Release Date: >08/13/09 18:16:00 From kjq45 at att.net Fri Aug 14 15:27:00 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Fri Aug 14 16:11:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Connecting a Seeburg 3w1 Wallbox Message-ID: <4CFBB2CC539F46E989B9B647C0F30D61@D41XWQ61> I am attempting to connect a Seeburg 3w1 wallbox to a Rock-Ola 1754 stepper that goes with a Rock-Ola Princess 1493. The Rock-Ola stepper has a four conductor jones plug with SIGNAL, 25V, COMMON and LOCKOUT. The 3w1 has a two conductor terminal strip and ground, marked BLUE, GREEN and ORANGE. Orange is ground. Could anyone tell me what goes where? I believe I have it figured out, but want to know for sure. Don't need any sparks or smoke. From kjq45 at att.net Fri Aug 14 15:31:52 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Fri Aug 14 16:11:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing References: <629299.54816.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <81245B380C6444DDB9B57CE844D73E9B@D41XWQ61> Acoustica makes an excellent Cd burner at a very afforable price. Check out: www.acoustica.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Ken wrote: > >>....how can I make sure its copied as a >> conventional cd & not mp3?? > > ... > >> BTW I use nero;does that >> make any difference?? Thank you! > > I've never heard of that, but that doesn't mean much. > There is a lot of CD software out there. I usually use > KB-III (I think that's the name - it comes with Suse) > or X-CDRoast. Neither converts file types, and I don't > think any software would be doing you a favor by converting > file types without your consent. There is a lot of sound > lost in the conversion to mp3 - sort of like copying an > LP to an 8-track, so it's not something a software author > would want to do without the user's permission. That said, > you should be able to put your finished CD into the > computer and see if it comes up as a music CD, or a data > CD with mp3 files on it. I'f the computer says it's a > music CD, it's a music CD. mp3 CDs are just data CDs > which happen to have mp3 files on them. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Fri Aug 14 16:35:47 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Aug 14 17:02:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Connecting a Seeburg 3w1 Wallbox In-Reply-To: <4CFBB2CC539F46E989B9B647C0F30D61@D41XWQ61> References: <4CFBB2CC539F46E989B9B647C0F30D61@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <4A85F4D3.8020802@west.net> Glen Pitts wrote: > I am attempting to connect a Seeburg 3w1 wallbox to a Rock-Ola 1754 stepper that goes with a Rock-Ola Princess 1493. The Rock-Ola stepper has a four conductor jones plug with SIGNAL, 25V, COMMON and LOCKOUT. The 3w1 has a two conductor terminal strip and ground, marked BLUE, GREEN and ORANGE. Orange is ground. Could anyone tell me what goes where? I believe I have it figured out, but want to know for sure. Don't need any sparks or smoke. Orange is ground, connect to "Common". Green is 25VAC, connect to 25V. Blue is pulse output, connect to "Signal" The "lockout" is used by Rockola to prevent conflicts from selections made at multiple wall boxes at the same instant from causing incorrect selections. Not used in the Seeburg, so just leave it disconnected. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 14 17:13:45 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Fri Aug 14 17:18:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg JL100 Selection Problems References: Message-ID: <003501ca1d3d$41d1cec0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I would remove the top cover of your pinbank first - it's very common for the wire to the armature of the group relays to break off because of all the flexing over the years. It's easy to solder back on. Looking at the back of the machine the G/H relay will be the second from the left. As far as the odd "E" selections not picking up, look at the contact block from the side view as it scans to see if the pins are hitting the contact. If not, it could be that the metal "channel" that holds the contact block is bent or spread open slightly, allowing the contact block to sag too low in the middle, thus missing the pins. Sometimes previous owners bend these channels or file down the contact block in an attempt to stop dragging. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:54 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg JL100 Selection Problems > I'm having problems with no response at all to my G and H rows of numbers. > When I manually move the pin in back it does select and stop at the > correct selection. I'm also not getting the odd numbers (1,3,5,7,9) of > the E row. The E row does fire the pin in back when it is selected, but > the control block goes right on past these numbers without stopping. I > have tried jiggling the pins in the E row numerous times (well over 100) > with my fingers and used contact cleaner on them with no luck. I am > guessing, though I could be wrong, that the G and H row problems may be in > the 27 pin selector plug in the Receiver at the back of the jukebox??? I > have looked briefly inside this large selection plug and did not see any > loose wires? If this is thought to be the problem, can anybody explain how > the selected letter and number buttons correspond to the pins in the 27 > pin selection plug as I do not follow the numbering system in the manual. > Boy! sorry about all of this, but I do have some real headaches with this. > Thanks in advance for all of your help and any suggestions. Dana > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From kjq45 at att.net Fri Aug 14 17:36:19 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Fri Aug 14 20:11:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Connecting a Seeburg 3w1 Wallbox References: <4CFBB2CC539F46E989B9B647C0F30D61@D41XWQ61> <4A85F4D3.8020802@west.net> Message-ID: <204C92E763254425A26B3DB9DD0EBF5D@D41XWQ61> Thank you very much. I had it right, but your confirmation is appreciated. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Connecting a Seeburg 3w1 Wallbox > Glen Pitts wrote: >> I am attempting to connect a Seeburg 3w1 wallbox to a Rock-Ola 1754 >> stepper that goes with a Rock-Ola Princess 1493. The Rock-Ola stepper >> has a four conductor jones plug with SIGNAL, 25V, COMMON and LOCKOUT. >> The 3w1 has a two conductor terminal strip and ground, marked BLUE, GREEN >> and ORANGE. Orange is ground. Could anyone tell me what goes where? I >> believe I have it figured out, but want to know for sure. Don't need any >> sparks or smoke. > > Orange is ground, connect to "Common". > Green is 25VAC, connect to 25V. > Blue is pulse output, connect to "Signal" > > The "lockout" is used by Rockola to prevent conflicts from selections made > at multiple wall boxes at the same instant from causing incorrect > selections. Not used in the Seeburg, so just leave it disconnected. > > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dppe at inebraska.com Fri Aug 14 17:48:45 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Fri Aug 14 20:11:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg JL100 Selection Problems In-Reply-To: <003501ca1d3d$41d1cec0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> References: <003501ca1d3d$41d1cec0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: Hi, I did manage to take the top cover off of the pin bank. No wires were disconnected. I discovered that the wire on the back side of the top of the pin bank was off so I soldered that back on and now G and H work. As far as the E odd numbers go I have not resolved the problem. I have tried cleaning the 27 pin selection plug, but no luck. If the contact block was sagging wouldn't that prevent the even numbers in the E row from working also? Thanks for your suggestions. Dana On Aug 14, 2009, at 7:13 PM, wrote: > I would remove the top cover of your pinbank first - it's very common > for the wire to the armature of the group relays to break off because > of all the flexing over the years. It's easy to solder back on. > Looking at the back of the machine the G/H relay will be the second > from the left. As far as the odd "E" selections not picking up, look > at the contact block from the side view as it scans to see if the pins > are hitting the contact. If not, it could be that the metal "channel" > that holds the contact block is bent or spread open slightly, allowing > the contact block to sag too low in the middle, thus missing the pins. > Sometimes previous owners bend these channels or file down the contact > block in an attempt to stop dragging. Good luck, > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:54 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg JL100 Selection Problems > > >> I'm having problems with no response at all to my G and H rows of >> numbers. When I manually move the pin in back it does select and stop >> at the correct selection. I'm also not getting the odd numbers >> (1,3,5,7,9) of the E row. The E row does fire the pin in back when >> it is selected, but the control block goes right on past these >> numbers without stopping. I have tried jiggling the pins in the E >> row numerous times (well over 100) with my fingers and used contact >> cleaner on them with no luck. I am guessing, though I could be >> wrong, that the G and H row problems may be in the 27 pin selector >> plug in the Receiver at the back of the jukebox??? I have looked >> briefly inside this large selection plug and did not see any loose >> wires? If this is thought to be the problem, can anybody explain how >> the selected letter and number buttons correspond to the pins in the >> 27 pin selection plug as I do not follow the numbering system in the >> manual. Boy! sorry about all of this, but I do have some real >> headaches with this. Thanks in advance for all of your help and any >> suggestions. Dana >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Aug 15 06:07:42 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 15 09:30:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Would this be a good trade or am I being too generous? Message-ID: <8CBEBC082135D27-6A4-2367@FWM-M33.sysops.aol.com> I've offered the guy in Moberly my E, my R-83, and my SS-160. He seems interested. From johntrav at windstream.net Sat Aug 15 08:18:37 2009 From: johntrav at windstream.net (John Travelletti) Date: Sat Aug 15 14:33:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-80 References: <581109.39858.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09B494BA0FDF4AE2AEE665486743DD73@JOHNTRAV> Thanks, John. I dismantled the keyboard and cleaned all the switches yesterday, but the problem remains. My next step will be the stop switch assembly again. I have the adjustment instructions, but they aren't clear if the assembly has to be adjusted on the mech or if it can be done on the bench. Thanks for your response. John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:36 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-80 > You might try cleaning all the keyboard contacts. > > > > > > John the Jukebox Man > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Sat Aug 15 10:31:35 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Sat Aug 15 14:33:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Would this be a good trade or am I being too generous? In-Reply-To: <8CBEBC082135D27-6A4-2367@FWM-M33.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <380476.42489.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> way to generous --- On Sat, 8/15/09, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: From: jhayes2613@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Would this be a good trade or am I being too generous? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 9:07 AM I've offered the guy in Moberly my E, my R-83, and my SS-160. He seems interested. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From JHayes2613 at aol.com Sat Aug 15 11:10:53 2009 From: JHayes2613 at aol.com (John Hayes) Date: Sat Aug 15 14:34:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Would this be a good trade or am I being too generous? In-Reply-To: <8CBEBC082135D27-6A4-2367@FWM-M33.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBEBC082135D27-6A4-2367@FWM-M33.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1E604AA2-68BE-4AB2-ABEE-8F0CAEAFD663@aol.com> Like you were supposed to know what I was talking about... sorry about that... I've offered all my stuff for this: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/tag/1309920427.html I've always wanted a 78 box and just don't have $900. My E is dead, my SS-160 is quite nice w/ repro glass, and my R-83 is... an R-83. I'm keeping my Rhapsody. On Aug 15, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > I've offered the guy in Moberly my E, my R-83, and my SS-160. He > seems interested. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From midwestamusements at hotmail.com Sat Aug 15 15:46:17 2009 From: midwestamusements at hotmail.com (Mid West) Date: Sat Aug 15 15:58:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] United UPC-100 value? Message-ID: Jay, Could you send me a few pics of your United UPC-100 jukebox? Thanks. Richard _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 15 16:54:41 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 15 17:25:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Request Message-ID: <1793.57087.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Anyone happen to have a Seeburg SMC or 100-79M model jukebox that has a "Rev C" board in the PCC?? This board can be ID's as a "code C" by the fact that it will have an "extra" chip, piggy-backed onto one of the other chips Anyone having one, please contact me at ronnnrich@yahoo.com? TIA, Ron Rich From robinmata at kc.rr.com Sat Aug 15 18:27:16 2009 From: robinmata at kc.rr.com (Robin Mata) Date: Sat Aug 15 19:04:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1958 AMI Model I-120 Message-ID: <003001ca1e10$b0c2b1e0$124815a0$@rr.com> I just picked up a 1958 AMI Model I-120. Everything lights up.but I can't get anything to work.Checked the 3 fuses and they are ok.basically, I put in a quarter.I hear it register the credit.I push the selection buttons but nothing happens. I am in Kansas City and can't seem to find anyone that works on them. Robert From robinmata at kc.rr.com Sat Aug 15 18:29:40 2009 From: robinmata at kc.rr.com (Robin Mata) Date: Sat Aug 15 19:04:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1958 AMI Model I-120 Message-ID: <003501ca1e11$06997cc0$13cc7640$@rr.com> I just picked up a 1958 AMI Model I-120. Everything lights up.but I can't get anything to work.Checked the 3 fuses and they are ok.basically, I put in a quarter.I hear it register the credit.I push the selection buttons but nothing happens. I am in Kansas City and can't seem to find anyone that works on them. Robert From robinmata at kc.rr.com Sat Aug 15 18:20:47 2009 From: robinmata at kc.rr.com (Robin Mata) Date: Sat Aug 15 19:04:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Model I-120 Message-ID: <002b01ca1e0f$c925a270$5b70e750$@rr.com> I just picked up a 1958 AMI Model I-120. Everything lights up.but I can't get anything to work.Checked the 3 fuses and they are ok.basically, I put in a quarter.I hear it register the credit.I push the selection buttons but nothing happens. I am in Kansas City and can't seem to find anyone that works on them. Robert From 19k20 at comcast.net Sat Aug 15 19:54:11 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sat Aug 15 20:47:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Would this be a good trade or am I being too generous? In-Reply-To: <1E604AA2-68BE-4AB2-ABEE-8F0CAEAFD663@aol.com> References: <8CBEBC082135D27-6A4-2367@FWM-M33.sysops.aol.com> <1E604AA2-68BE-4AB2-ABEE-8F0CAEAFD663@aol.com> Message-ID: <000e01ca1e1c$d5f0dc10$81d29430$@net> Good luck with that John. Let me know how it turns out. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Hayes Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:11 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Would this be a good trade or am I being too generous? Like you were supposed to know what I was talking about... sorry about that... I've offered all my stuff for this: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/tag/1309920427.html I've always wanted a 78 box and just don't have $900. My E is dead, my SS-160 is quite nice w/ repro glass, and my R-83 is... an R-83. I'm keeping my Rhapsody. On Aug 15, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > I've offered the guy in Moberly my E, my R-83, and my SS-160. He > seems interested. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.56/2302 - Release Date: 08/15/09 06:10:00 From robinmata at kc.rr.com Sat Aug 15 20:49:15 2009 From: robinmata at kc.rr.com (Robin Mata) Date: Sat Aug 15 20:52:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1958 AMI Model I-120 Message-ID: <000001ca1e24$868eec90$93acc5b0$@rr.com> I just picked up a 1958 AMI Model I-120. Everything lights up.but I can't get anything to work.Checked the 3 fuses and they are ok.basically, I put in a quarter.I hear it register the credit.I push the selection buttons but nothing happens. I am in Kansas City and can't seem to find anyone that works on them. Robert From mrdimento at aol.com Sat Aug 15 21:28:56 2009 From: mrdimento at aol.com (mrdimento@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 15 21:44:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe ami mm2 Message-ID: <8CBEC4133C3744D-F08-E46@webmail-md18.sysops.aol.com> My jukebox drops the 45 when it moves the record to the turntable.?? How do I adjust or replace the arm?? how do i find out what this jukebox is worth? Mike DiMento mrdimento@aol.com From jay at west.net Sat Aug 15 21:43:54 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Aug 15 21:45:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1958 AMI Model I-120 In-Reply-To: <000001ca1e24$868eec90$93acc5b0$@rr.com> References: <000001ca1e24$868eec90$93acc5b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4A878E8A.5080309@west.net> Robin Mata wrote: > I just picked up a 1958 AMI Model I-120. Everything lights up.but I can't > get anything to work.Checked the 3 fuses and they are ok.basically, I put in > a quarter.I hear it register the credit.I push the selection buttons but > nothing happens. > > > > I am in Kansas City and can't seem to find anyone that works on them. Welcome to the list. You only need to post your request once. :-) Are you interested in repairing it yourself or having someone repair it for you? Do you have a service manual for the machine? Have you tried flipping the toggle switch on the control box near the tonearm? When you push the scan button does the record magazine rotate? If it was recently moved, verify that the band holding the records in place is riding in the grooves in the plastic guides on the record separators and that there are no records jammed between the record carousel and the mechanism. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From overseasdad at cox.net Sat Aug 15 22:53:31 2009 From: overseasdad at cox.net (overseasdad@cox.net) Date: Sat Aug 15 23:33:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2900 selector problems Message-ID: <20090816015331.BAZMV.13455.imail@eastrmwml38> http://webreports.netlojix.com/pipermail/jukebox-list/2007-November/030574.html My 2900 keyboard stopped working; however, I can manually select songs by tapping the selector switches on the selector drum. If I hold the selector switch against the solenoid and make a selection nothing happens. Is this indicative a a bad solenoid? If so, where might I find one? I cannot locate one on the internet and I have no jukebox enthusiasts in my area (Warner Robins, GA). From jay at west.net Sat Aug 15 23:54:12 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Aug 16 07:55:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2900 selector problems In-Reply-To: <20090816015331.BAZMV.13455.imail@eastrmwml38> References: <20090816015331.BAZMV.13455.imail@eastrmwml38> Message-ID: <4A87AD14.1050406@west.net> overseasdad@cox.net wrote: > http://webreports.netlojix.com/pipermail/jukebox-list/2007-November/030574.html > > My 2900 keyboard stopped working; however, I can manually select songs by tapping the selector switches on the selector drum. If I hold the selector switch against the solenoid and make a selection nothing happens. Is this indicative a a bad solenoid? If so, where might I find one? I cannot locate one on the internet and I have no jukebox enthusiasts in my area (Warner Robins, GA). When you establish credit by inserting coins or activating the free-play switch, does the solenoid energize and the buttons then latch when pushed? It sounds as if it does not. If holding the solenoid closed and then making a selection doesn't work, then it probably isn't a defective solenoid but instead something in the logic circuit of either the Playrak (credit accumulator) or the selection system. Do you have the manual for the box and is there a troubleshooting chart? The value of the troubleshooting charts varies from great to worthless, maybe you'll get lucky. Check all of the fuses and the circuit breaker in the Playrak if present. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Aug 16 01:15:22 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Aug 16 07:55:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe ami mm2 In-Reply-To: <8CBEC4133C3744D-F08-E46@webmail-md18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBEC4133C3744D-F08-E46@webmail-md18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001ca1e49$b3919970$1ab4cc50$@force9.co.uk> Does this happen on every record, or certain records, or random records, or just A or B sides ? Firstly, is the selected record aligned correctly in the carousel ? i.e. select a record, say A1. Does the A1 slot align perfectly at the top centre ? If not, you will need to adjust the carousel so that it does. You will need to check all slots as some are likely to be bent. All gaps between the dividers should be even. (Refer to manual for adjustment). Secondly, the bar that holds the rollers that guides the band round the carousel also contains the slot that the gripper slides in when the carousel is rotating. Ensure this is perfectly central/vertical (2 Allen keys on the back of it near where it is attached to the machine). And thirdly, the gripper arm itself. Check that it has not been bent in the past. If so, replace it. Fourth. Where the gripper gears mesh, you will see the A/B side toggle shifters. Ensure these are moving freely. They may be stiff. When the mech is in a certain position (at rest I think) you should be able to toggle these with your hand very freely. Look down below them and you will see a bar that toggles too, with 2 small nylon guides on it. When the cam/gripper gear rotates, a small bar turns and holds the toggle shifters still, by rolling up the side of one of these nylon guides. Refer to the manual here if this needs adjusting (small Allen key). Fifth. Has the gripper been removed and the gears put back incorrectly ? Sometimes for some reason the timing goes out on them and they need re-adjusting. Or maybe they are stiff (and the actual central section that pokes out to grip the record - ensure it is free). If you dismantle this, get a manual in order to see how to set up the timing. It is very simple but you do need the manual to know how to position the gears. One of the above will be your problem. If you were in Birmingham UK I'd come over and sort it for you! Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of mrdimento@aol.com Sent: 16 August 2009 05:29 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe ami mm2 My jukebox drops the 45 when it moves the record to the turntable.?? How do I adjust or replace the arm?? how do i find out what this jukebox is worth? Mike DiMento mrdimento@aol.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rellis2007 at aol.com Sun Aug 16 05:56:33 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 16 07:55:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485 Message-ID: <8CBEC881D9B1652-DE8-48B5@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> Has any one out there ever removed the large round Select unit to clean the select pins, I have the manual but right off see a mistake in the manual about removel, so I don't know to trust the rest of the procedure. thanks. doc ellis From johntrav at windstream.net Sun Aug 16 06:42:20 2009 From: johntrav at windstream.net (John Travelletti) Date: Sun Aug 16 11:18:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe ami mm2 References: <8CBEC4133C3744D-F08-E46@webmail-md18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Mike, At the end of the gripper bow is a slot. Check to see that the gripper is aligned properly and the record edge goes into the slot when it's being withdrawn from the carousel. If not, that's most likely your problem. Get down to eye level and watch as a record is being picked up. Is the gripper bow squarely centered on the record as it reaches for it? If not, there are some minor adjustments that can be made to line things up properly. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 11:28 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe ami mm2 > > My jukebox drops the 45 when it moves the record to the turntable.?? How > do I adjust or replace the arm?? how do i find out what this jukebox is > worth? > > > > Mike DiMento > > mrdimento@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From wtstansell at verizon.net Sun Aug 16 08:33:15 2009 From: wtstansell at verizon.net (Theron Stansell) Date: Sun Aug 16 11:18:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe ami mm2 In-Reply-To: <8CBEC4133C3744D-F08-E46@webmail-md18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBEC4133C3744D-F08-E46@webmail-md18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi, You have to remove the gripper bow and clean it. First thing to do is get the gripper bow in the home position. (Stopped over the record magazine). Make a note of how the gears are aligned and there is a hole in part of one of the trunion gears. It must be replaced in the same position. Now remove the 2 1/4 inch screws that hold the 2 black pins on each side of the bow trunion assembly. Remove the 2 black pins. Now the bow trunion assy. May be revoved. Wash this assembly in hot soapy water, and rinse with hot water. Set aside and allow to dry. Replace the assembly to its original position and don't use any lubricant. It should work fine now.... Lots of luck, -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of mrdimento@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:29 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe ami mm2 My jukebox drops the 45 when it moves the record to the turntable.?? How do I adjust or replace the arm?? how do i find out what this jukebox is worth? Mike DiMento mrdimento@aol.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 16 09:28:46 2009 From: chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk (chris tanner) Date: Sun Aug 16 11:18:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485 References: <8CBEC881D9B1652-DE8-48B5@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8BA9B4462B4D4266AF992DE2E753974C@chris545b2a181> I have removed and replaced the unit but have not cleaned the pin assembly. I followed the instructions in the manual. What do you think is suspect in the script? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485 > > > Has any one out there ever removed the large round Select unit to clean > the select pins, > > I have the manual but right off see a mistake in the manual about removel, > so I don't know to trust the rest of the procedure. > > > > thanks. > > doc ellis > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.13.57/2303 - Release Date: 8/14/2009 6:10 PM From kjq45 at att.net Sun Aug 16 13:05:12 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sun Aug 16 13:21:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Mounting Bracket Message-ID: Does anyone know the original color of the mounting bracket and plate for the Seeburg 3w1 wall box? This may be a universal bracket for many wall boxes and not specific to the brand and model. Your knowledge on that would also be appreciated. From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 13:24:57 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Sun Aug 16 13:46:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <81245B380C6444DDB9B57CE844D73E9B@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <483995.2769.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> well my computer does recognize the copy as an "audio cd"(and my 'puter,cd player in the car,and the dvd player hooked up to the TV will play it)?but my juke still won't play it....oh darn...... Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 --- On Fri, 8/14/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 6:31 PM Acoustica makes an excellent Cd burner at a very afforable price.? Check out: www.acoustica.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Ken wrote: > >>....how can I make sure its copied as a >> conventional cd & not mp3?? > > ... > >> BTW I use nero;does that >> make any difference?? Thank you! > > I've never heard of that, but that doesn't mean much. > There is a lot of CD software out there.? I usually use > KB-III (I think that's the name - it comes with Suse) > or X-CDRoast.? Neither converts file types, and I don't > think any software would be doing you a favor by converting > file types without your consent.? There is a lot of sound > lost in the conversion to mp3 - sort of like copying an > LP to an 8-track, so it's not something a software author > would want to do without the user's permission. That said, > you should be able to put your finished CD into the > computer and see if it comes up as a music CD, or a data > CD? with mp3 files on it.? I'f the computer says it's a > music CD, it's a music CD.? mp3 CDs are just data CDs > which happen to have mp3 files on them. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 14:07:00 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Sun Aug 16 14:19:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <483995.2769.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <577882.24481.qm@web63207.mail.re1.yahoo.com> OK I took a factory CD & ripped it using media player;and made sure the music files were being converted to wav. files as they were ripped.Then opened nero & copied those ripped files onto a blank cd.Then I took the resulting disc to the juke & did a single init. on it to test it...well it worked! It had no problems playing or programming the disc;I just wish it wasn't such a pain to get it done..Now to see if I can do this from a copy................ Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 4:24 PM well my computer does recognize the copy as an "audio cd"(and my 'puter,cd player in the car,and the dvd player hooked up to the TV will play it)?but my juke still won't play it....oh darn...... Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 --- On Fri, 8/14/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 6:31 PM Acoustica makes an excellent Cd burner at a very afforable price.? Check out: www.acoustica.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Ken wrote: > >>....how can I make sure its copied as a >> conventional cd & not mp3?? > > ... > >> BTW I use nero;does that >> make any difference?? Thank you! > > I've never heard of that, but that doesn't mean much. > There is a lot of CD software out there.? I usually use > KB-III (I think that's the name - it comes with Suse) > or X-CDRoast.? Neither converts file types, and I don't > think any software would be doing you a favor by converting > file types without your consent.? There is a lot of sound > lost in the conversion to mp3 - sort of like copying an > LP to an 8-track, so it's not something a software author > would want to do without the user's permission. That said, > you should be able to put your finished CD into the > computer and see if it comes up as a music CD, or a data > CD? with mp3 files on it.? I'f the computer says it's a > music CD, it's a music CD.? mp3 CDs are just data CDs > which happen to have mp3 files on them. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sun Aug 16 14:41:39 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Aug 16 14:44:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Mounting Bracket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A887D13.3070709@west.net> Glen Pitts wrote: > Does anyone know the original color of the mounting bracket and plate for the Seeburg 3w1 wall box? This may be a universal bracket for many wall boxes and not specific to the brand and model. Your knowledge on that would also be appreciated. I think these are made for a specific wallbox. I'm not sure what you mean by "plate". The back of the 3W1 wallbox chassis is zinc-plated steel. It has keyhole slots for mounting to a wall directly. There was a bracket available for mounting the wallbox that has two "feet" that extend under and mount to the underside of a table or counter. I think these are originally unpainted metal. The back of these would face a wall or the wait staff or bartender in a countertop type of installation, so there isn't a need for a really finished appearance as it isn't normally seen by customers. The Seeburg ones are rather plain, but the AMI has a nice logo on the back side. There's also the "Marquis" for the 3W1, an aluminum plate that extends above the wallbox from behind. These were rare and I believe they may now be reproduced. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 14:50:23 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Sun Aug 16 14:57:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <998011.89406.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <698789.45617.qm@web63204.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hmmm I don't know that Rich;how do I find that out??? Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 10:22 AM Ken, What model player is in it--which version CCC, and MCC ("Chips") ?? Ronn Rich --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 8:06 PM I just loaded all 100 cds into my cd-51 & performed a full initialize,but when I go to get & play a CD;no matter what key # I press on the keyboard it says "disc not available".for? some reason it's not letting me play my cds?? I put an awfl lot of work into this juke,and then have it tell me no discs are available to play is very frustrating!I don't even get to punch in the 2 digit disc #;I just press the first digit & it says disc not available.what could be causing this?? thanks in advance for your help! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 15:00:40 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 16 15:02:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Mounting Bracket In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <245006.68393.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> "Gun metal Gray" to my eyes--yes, Seeburg made a specific bracket for the 3W-1. I think some other company made a "universal"-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Mounting Bracket To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 1:05 PM Does anyone know the original color of the mounting bracket and plate for the Seeburg 3w1 wall box?? This may be a universal bracket for many wall boxes and not specific to the brand and model.? Your knowledge on that would also be appreciated. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 15:26:33 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Sun Aug 16 15:30:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <001e01ca1d26$d435aa50$7ca0fef0$@net> Message-ID: <94219.60642.qm@web63204.mail.re1.yahoo.com> OK I ripped the CD's using windows media player (making sure the music files were in wav.);then I burned them onto a blank(using nero);and now they work! WOOHOO! That's weird that I have to go through all that to make it work,but at least it DOES work!Thanks so much! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 --- On Fri, 8/14/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 5:33 PM Ken, The first thing you need to do is rip the CD you want to copy.? Depending on the version of Nero you are using, you can rip, (extract) the audio files from the CD.? Find the selection that says something like "Convert Audio CDs to Audio files".? This will rip the CD down to individual tracks on your hard drive.? Microsoft Media Player version 11 and possible ver. 10 will also let you rip CD's.? Make sure in the Media Player options you set it for .wav and not rip to .mp3. Once you have your original CD's ripped, Use Nero to create an Audio CD of the songs you want included on your compilation.? Keep in mind,? the .wav files are going to be fairly large,? 50-60MB each,? compared to an .mp3 file of about 10MB, so these will take up a bit of space on your hard drive. Once you create your CD, you can delete the .wav files or convert them to .mp3 for your digital library. Hope this helps. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:00 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing Just got done eating dinner (sesame chix)..sooo I installed an orig. CD in slot 00 (abba gold) and programmed just 1 cd....well let me tell ya..IT WORKS!.Obviously no damage to the laser(thank god!)...that problem solved...now onto the other issue..when I directly copy a music cd onto a blank(I can do that since I have 2 optical drives)....how can I make sure its?copied as a conventional cd?& not mp3?? Since I don't know anything about mp3 stuff?that's all greek to me (lol)I thought that was what I was doing when I copied my discs;I dont copy the disc to the hard drive 1st-I burn them from the orig. to the blank at the same time(quick copy)BTW I use nero;does that make any difference?? Thank you! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 '70 GTB Baseball --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 1:21 PM Jay brings up a good point. I didn't read the original post close enough. If you burn your own discs, they will have to be done as conventional discs and not MP3. This is for sure on all players prior to the CD-PRO, and possibly even for this player. Thomas On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Ken wrote: > >> I will try that last tip;thanks.One thing I just thought of this morning >> that may be the problem: even though the P.O. had copied or burned discs >> already loaded in the juke & he did assure me burned cd's will play in >> it;every single CD I loaded into the juke yesterday was a copy.Most of the >> cd's that were in the juke before I pulled them were originals.Now I was >> thinking....would it make any difference what format was used when they were >> copied or how they were copied???Any difference from just directly copying a >> cd or burning it in MP3 format??If it can read mp3's it should read copied >> discs correct?? Or isn't there any difference??The last cd I played before I >> went through the juke & cleaned it up was an original(played perfectly);the >> P.O. did say the juke had come from the home of a smoker,and many cd's that >> were still in there were filthy before I cleaned them.I did clean the player >> eye with those wet wipes you normally use for cleaning an LCD >>? monitor screen;I hope that didn't hurt it.That's all I can think of right >> now;when I get home I will try a single disc init. with an original & see >> what happens.Thanks in advance for your help! >> > > I would be very surprised if MP3 CDs would work at all.? That is a pretty > recent format and unlikely to be supported.? Try a factory CD is a couple of > slots.? If you burn your own CDs, burn them as conventional audio disks and > not MP3. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.55/2301 - Release Date: 08/14/09 06:10:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 15:30:12 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 16 16:58:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <577882.24481.qm@web63207.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <215277.85726.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ken, You do realize that it is not legal to play anything on a commercial CD (or for that matter, 45rpm) phonograph. All must be "factory made" discs, and any "artwork" must also be "factory", to conform with the copyright laws. Also, a license is required under fed laws. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 2:07 PM OK I took a factory CD & ripped it using media player;and made sure the music files were being converted to wav. files as they were ripped.Then opened nero & copied those ripped files onto a blank cd.Then I took the resulting disc to the juke & did a single init. on it to test it...well it worked! It had no problems playing or programming the disc;I just wish it wasn't such a pain to get it done..Now to see if I can do this from a copy................ Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 4:24 PM well my computer does recognize the copy as an "audio cd"(and my 'puter,cd player in the car,and the dvd player hooked up to the TV will play it)?but my juke still won't play it....oh darn...... Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 --- On Fri, 8/14/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 6:31 PM Acoustica makes an excellent Cd burner at a very afforable price.? Check out: www.acoustica.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Ken wrote: > >>....how can I make sure its copied as a >> conventional cd & not mp3?? > > ... > >> BTW I use nero;does that >> make any difference?? Thank you! > > I've never heard of that, but that doesn't mean much. > There is a lot of CD software out there.? I usually use > KB-III (I think that's the name - it comes with Suse) > or X-CDRoast.? Neither converts file types, and I don't > think any software would be doing you a favor by converting > file types without your consent.? There is a lot of sound > lost in the conversion to mp3 - sort of like copying an > LP to an 8-track, so it's not something a software author > would want to do without the user's permission. That said, > you should be able to put your finished CD into the > computer and see if it comes up as a music CD, or a data > CD? with mp3 files on it.? I'f the computer says it's a > music CD, it's a music CD.? mp3 CDs are just data CDs > which happen to have mp3 files on them. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Sun Aug 16 15:35:07 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sun Aug 16 16:58:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Mounting Bracket References: <4A887D13.3070709@west.net> Message-ID: <5CEC746DF28643948F2AEE9918A32BF9@D41XWQ61> Thanks Jay. The Seeburg mounting bracket came with the 3w1. It has several coats of different color paint, from yellow to silver. I'm stripping the bracket to the bare metal and refinishing it. That's just the way I do things I'm too picky sometimes for my own good. I will power coat it even though it can't be seen. It's just for my satisfaction only. Actually, I'm not sure I'm even going to use it. When I get it reassembled, I will send you a picture of it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Mounting Bracket > Glen Pitts wrote: >> Does anyone know the original color of the mounting bracket and plate for >> the Seeburg 3w1 wall box? This may be a universal bracket for many wall >> boxes and not specific to the brand and model. Your knowledge on that >> would also be appreciated. > > I think these are made for a specific wallbox. I'm not sure what you mean > by "plate". The back of the 3W1 wallbox chassis is zinc-plated steel. It > has keyhole slots for mounting to a wall directly. > > There was a bracket available for mounting the wallbox that has two "feet" > that extend under and mount to the underside of a table or counter. I > think these are originally unpainted metal. The back of these would face > a wall or the wait staff or bartender in a countertop type of > installation, so there isn't a need for a really finished appearance as it > isn't normally seen by customers. The Seeburg ones are rather plain, but > the AMI has a nice logo on the back side. > > There's also the "Marquis" for the 3W1, an aluminum plate that extends > above the wallbox from behind. These were rare and I believe they may now > be reproduced. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Sun Aug 16 15:37:11 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sun Aug 16 16:58:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Mounting Bracket References: <245006.68393.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A67FE29363A43EABB32257D3F68461D@D41XWQ61> Thanks Ron. Ok, so the yellow and silver coats of paint will go, for sure. A nice gun metal powder coat will look good to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Mounting Bracket "Gun metal Gray" to my eyes--yes, Seeburg made a specific bracket for the 3W-1. I think some other company made a "universal"-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Mounting Bracket To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 1:05 PM Does anyone know the original color of the mounting bracket and plate for the Seeburg 3w1 wall box? This may be a universal bracket for many wall boxes and not specific to the brand and model. Your knowledge on that would also be appreciated. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 15:42:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 16 16:58:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Mounting Bracket In-Reply-To: <4A887D13.3070709@west.net> Message-ID: <828067.99614.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, Glen, and All Seeburg made two types of mounting "brackets" for the 3W1. One was called a "counter mtg bkt."? and had the two "feet" that went under the rear side of a "counter". The other one was a "wall mtg plate". This was just a thick, flat metal plate identical to the rear of the 3W1. It was "suggested" that one of the two be used with every wallbox, however some operators did not see the value in using plates, and mounted the 3W1 directly onto the wall. This was OK, so long as the wall was flat, but if it was "warped" it would cause the 3W1 to intermittently 'mess-up". All of the different Seeburg "wallbox" models had dedicated model wall, and counter bkts. available to fit them, and all that I have seen were painted "gun metal gray", except the last series for the DEC units, which were painted brown. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Mounting Bracket To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 2:41 PM Glen Pitts wrote: > Does anyone know the original color of the mounting bracket and plate for the Seeburg 3w1 wall box?? This may be a universal bracket for many wall boxes and not specific to the brand and model.? Your knowledge on that would also be appreciated. I think these are made for a specific wallbox.? I'm not sure what you mean by "plate".? The back of the 3W1 wallbox chassis is zinc-plated steel.? It has keyhole slots for mounting to a wall directly. There was a bracket available for mounting the wallbox that has two "feet" that extend under and mount to the? underside of a table or counter.? I think these are originally unpainted metal.? The back of these would face a wall or the wait staff or bartender in a countertop type of installation, so there isn't a need for a really finished appearance as it isn't normally seen by customers.? The Seeburg ones are rather plain, but the AMI has a nice logo on the back side. There's also the "Marquis" for the 3W1, an aluminum plate that extends above the wallbox from behind.? These were rare and I believe they may now be reproduced. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 15:47:09 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 16 16:58:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <698789.45617.qm@web63204.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <794469.94818.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ken, The player may or may not have a paper sticker on it. If a later style it will be either silk screened, or "embossed" on the player.? The version numbers can be read on the chips or by using the "read version" program (88) on the computer. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 2:50 PM Hmmm I don't know that Rich;how do I find that out??? Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 10:22 AM Ken, What model player is in it--which version CCC, and MCC ("Chips") ?? Ronn Rich --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 8:06 PM I just loaded all 100 cds into my cd-51 & performed a full initialize,but when I go to get & play a CD;no matter what key # I press on the keyboard it says "disc not available".for? some reason it's not letting me play my cds?? I put an awfl lot of work into this juke,and then have it tell me no discs are available to play is very frustrating!I don't even get to punch in the 2 digit disc #;I just press the first digit & it says disc not available.what could be causing this?? thanks in advance for your help! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeffzurn at cox.net Sun Aug 16 16:47:52 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Sun Aug 16 16:58:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM CD jukebox (Hyper Beam) Authorization code References: <000001ca1e24$868eec90$93acc5b0$@rr.com> <4A878E8A.5080309@west.net> Message-ID: <002601ca1ecb$f8a68f20$95c74109@ZURNT60> Anyone out there know if the NSM Authorization code can be over-ridden or reset? The factory default isn't working and the owner didn't knowingly set it to something... I'm hoping there is a 'secret' program or a 'trick' someone can point me to. Thank you. Jeff From kjq45 at att.net Sun Aug 16 17:14:32 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Sun Aug 16 17:17:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Mounting Bracket References: <828067.99614.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, Ron. I have the thick metal plate kind. It's two pieces with four screws holding them together. The back plate can be adjusted for height. The lower piece has two forks that extend outward under the wall box. Sort of looks like forklift forks. Once I get it refinished, I'll see if it actually matches the 3w1. Not a priority at this point. The priority is rebuilding the Rock-Ola 1754 stepper. I got it for a good price and was told it had been re-capped. All good except they are all the wrong caps. I mean really wrong. I'm waiting for the new replacements to arrive. A very strange find. One cap, according to the schematic, was installed on a wrong terminal. It looks factory to me. This unit could have never worked, as a resistor dead ends and the cap goes to the wrong place. Have you ever heard of this happening before? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Mounting Bracket Jay, Glen, and All Seeburg made two types of mounting "brackets" for the 3W1. One was called a "counter mtg bkt." and had the two "feet" that went under the rear side of a "counter". The other one was a "wall mtg plate". This was just a thick, flat metal plate identical to the rear of the 3W1. It was "suggested" that one of the two be used with every wallbox, however some operators did not see the value in using plates, and mounted the 3W1 directly onto the wall. This was OK, so long as the wall was flat, but if it was "warped" it would cause the 3W1 to intermittently 'mess-up". All of the different Seeburg "wallbox" models had dedicated model wall, and counter bkts. available to fit them, and all that I have seen were painted "gun metal gray", except the last series for the DEC units, which were painted brown. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Mounting Bracket To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 2:41 PM Glen Pitts wrote: > Does anyone know the original color of the mounting bracket and plate for > the Seeburg 3w1 wall box? This may be a universal bracket for many wall > boxes and not specific to the brand and model. Your knowledge on that > would also be appreciated. I think these are made for a specific wallbox. I'm not sure what you mean by "plate". The back of the 3W1 wallbox chassis is zinc-plated steel. It has keyhole slots for mounting to a wall directly. There was a bracket available for mounting the wallbox that has two "feet" that extend under and mount to the underside of a table or counter. I think these are originally unpainted metal. The back of these would face a wall or the wait staff or bartender in a countertop type of installation, so there isn't a need for a really finished appearance as it isn't normally seen by customers. The Seeburg ones are rather plain, but the AMI has a nice logo on the back side. There's also the "Marquis" for the 3W1, an aluminum plate that extends above the wallbox from behind. These were rare and I believe they may now be reproduced. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 19:07:10 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Aug 16 19:41:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <94219.60642.qm@web63204.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <911682.30617.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Ken wrote: > OK I ripped the CD's using windows > media player (making sure the music files were in wav.);then > I burned them onto a blank(using nero);and now they work! > WOOHOO! That's weird that I have to go through all that to > make it work,but at least it DOES work!Thanks so much! The blanks you use can make a big difference in older CD players. I have a second generation CD player (when the price dropped below $300). It will play some CD-Rs and not play others. The funny thing is, it predates data CDs so it will "play" them. They put out some interesting sounds, and the waveform fills in a complete square on a vectorscope. 100% simultaneous in and out of phase content. From jay at west.net Sun Aug 16 19:53:39 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Aug 16 20:05:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <215277.85726.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <215277.85726.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A88C633.1090101@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Ken, > You do realize that it is not legal to play anything on a commercial CD (or for that matter, 45rpm) phonograph. All must be "factory made" discs, and any "artwork" must also be "factory", to conform with the copyright laws. Also, a license is required under fed laws. Ron Rich I think that this machine is for home use and not on location, hence not technically a "commercial" phonograph. Along those lines, does anyone know if there were different 78-RPM and early 45-RPM records sold specifically for jukebox and perhaps broadcast use in the 1950s? A lot of my 78s and some original 45s have printing around the edge of the label reading: "Licensed by Mfr. only for non-commercial use on phonographs in homes. Mfr. & original purchaser have agreed this record shall not be resold or used for any other purpose." What was up with that? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From maddleso at gmu.edu Sun Aug 16 20:47:33 2009 From: maddleso at gmu.edu (Mark Addleson) Date: Sun Aug 16 21:01:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI model I - Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: <20090816190003.1826EAAEF0@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090816190003.1826EAAEF0@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Robin I have limited experience with jukeboxes but, that said, I cut my teeth (and more) on an AMI J. They are good machines to start on as they are not overly complex. If you want to work on it yourself, you must get a manual. Inside the playmeter there is a scan and turntable switch operated by a solenoid. If the solenoid doesn't pull the armature down the machine won't start. I'd have a look at this first. If you know what you're looking for you can move the armature down by hand (when the mechanism is pulled out of the box in the service position) and when you do, if everything else is okay, it should start the play cycle. Regards Mark ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:27:16 -0500 From: "Robin Mata" Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1958 AMI Model I-120 To: Message-ID: <003001ca1e10$b0c2b1e0$124815a0$@rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just picked up a 1958 AMI Model I-120. Everything lights up.but I can't get anything to work.Checked the 3 fuses and they are ok.basically, I put in a quarter.I hear it register the credit.I push the selection buttons but nothing happens. I am in Kansas City and can't seem to find anyone that works on them. Robert ******************************************* From robinmata at kc.rr.com Sun Aug 16 21:29:22 2009 From: robinmata at kc.rr.com (Robin Mata) Date: Sun Aug 16 21:49:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI model I - Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: References: <20090816190003.1826EAAEF0@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <000001ca1ef3$4c0fa3a0$e42eeae0$@rr.com> Ok, I got it to start picking records, playing them, and then it would put them back. I took the switch/power box of, messed with it a bit, partly because I wanted to see what was in there, and found on of the wires that went to one of the fuses off, so I fixed that and then all of a sudden the record mechanism started moving, very very slowly, it grabed a record, put it on the turn table and it played. I went thru most of the records because a lot of the pins were tripped. Now the issue is that now when i push the selection buttons the Pulse Generator doesnt do anything. If i manually turn it it will fire the switchs on the Pulse Convertor....but then i have to manually trip another swithc or the right side of it to get it to start the selection process. When it does start the basket it moves very very very slow and intermitant. I checked the wires on the motor that turns it and it is getting power so either the motor is bad or maybe the motor isn't getting enough voltgage? Robert (using my wife Robins email address) -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mark Addleson Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:48 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI model I - Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 16 Robin I have limited experience with jukeboxes but, that said, I cut my teeth (and more) on an AMI J. They are good machines to start on as they are not overly complex. If you want to work on it yourself, you must get a manual. Inside the playmeter there is a scan and turntable switch operated by a solenoid. If the solenoid doesn't pull the armature down the machine won't start. I'd have a look at this first. If you know what you're looking for you can move the armature down by hand (when the mechanism is pulled out of the box in the service position) and when you do, if everything else is okay, it should start the play cycle. Regards Mark ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:27:16 -0500 From: "Robin Mata" Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1958 AMI Model I-120 To: Message-ID: <003001ca1e10$b0c2b1e0$124815a0$@rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just picked up a 1958 AMI Model I-120. Everything lights up.but I can't get anything to work.Checked the 3 fuses and they are ok.basically, I put in a quarter.I hear it register the credit.I push the selection buttons but nothing happens. I am in Kansas City and can't seem to find anyone that works on them. Robert ******************************************* _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sun Aug 16 22:09:29 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Aug 16 22:11:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI model I In-Reply-To: <000001ca1ef3$4c0fa3a0$e42eeae0$@rr.com> References: <20090816190003.1826EAAEF0@lists.netlojix.com> <000001ca1ef3$4c0fa3a0$e42eeae0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4A88E609.6050105@west.net> Robin Mata wrote: > When it does start the basket it moves very very very slow and intermitant. > I > checked the wires on the motor that turns it and it is getting power so > either > the motor is bad or maybe the motor isn't getting enough voltgage? This can be any of three things or a combination. The motor may indeed be bad or in need of service. Cleaning, relubrication, brush replacement are often needed. The record basket itself and/or the belt holding the records in place may have old gummy lubrication that needs to be cleaned and replaced. The selenium DC rectifier and filter capacitor in the junction box may be failing. Replacing the selenium with silicon and replacing the capacitor are generally a good idea in any case. See my notes here on the Continental junction box. The model I is similar. http://www.west.net/~jay/jukebox/amijunction.html -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pinballpauls at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 22:56:53 2009 From: pinballpauls at gmail.com (Paul Howlett) Date: Sun Aug 16 23:23:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485 In-Reply-To: <8CBEC881D9B1652-DE8-48B5@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBEC881D9B1652-DE8-48B5@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Getting the drum out is fairly straight forward, I have done this a couple of times. There are a couple of bolts that secure it to the main shaft. However unlike Seeburg's you don't want to disassemble it for cleaning. I did this once and it took me days to put it back together. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:56 AM, wrote: > > Has any one out there ever removed the large round Select unit to clean the > select pins, > > I have the manual but right off see a mistake in the manual about removel, > so I don't know to trust the rest of the procedure. > > > > thanks. > > doc ellis > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Sun Aug 16 23:25:40 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Sun Aug 16 23:46:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485 Message-ID: Get some sleep! ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon Aug 17 01:56:53 2009 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485 Getting the drum out is fairly straight forward, I have done this a couple of times. There are a couple of bolts that secure it to the main shaft. However unlike Seeburg's you don't want to disassemble it for cleaning. I did this once and it took me days to put it back together. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:56 AM, wrote: > > Has any one out there ever removed the large round Select unit to clean the > select pins, > > I have the manual but right off see a mistake in the manual about removel, > so I don't know to trust the rest of the procedure. > > > > thanks. > > doc ellis > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sun Aug 16 23:46:11 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Aug 16 23:51:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485 In-Reply-To: <8CBEC881D9B1652-DE8-48B5@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBEC881D9B1652-DE8-48B5@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A88FCB3.8030904@west.net> rellis2007@aol.com wrote: > Has any one out there ever removed the large round Select unit to clean the select pins, I have a 1493 Princess which is similar. The large round selector assembly isn't like the Seeburg pinbanks in terms of cleaning. The Seeburg pins have a common ground for play control that is enabled by contact washers on each pin. The Rockola uses a wobble plate and a microswitch, so no need to disassemble, clean and polish 100 washers. Similarly, the write-in is done by a pair of coils, so no group relays and multiple contacts/coils. Inspection, cleaning and adjustment of the printed circuit contacts on both sides of the drum as well as the rotating solenoid and contact assemblies is probably warranted. By the way, I have seen two 1493 Princess boxes where a pair of adjacent pins (such as B6 and D6) are missing from the selector. Any idea how this could happen short of someone disassembling the selector and removing them? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pinballpauls at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 00:35:56 2009 From: pinballpauls at gmail.com (Paul Howlett) Date: Mon Aug 17 00:37:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485 In-Reply-To: <4A88FCB3.8030904@west.net> References: <8CBEC881D9B1652-DE8-48B5@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> <4A88FCB3.8030904@west.net> Message-ID: Oops, I was thinking of the earlier style, like the 1461 which used pins similar to Seeburg except on a round bank. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:46 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > rellis2007@aol.com wrote: > >> Has any one out there ever removed the large round Select unit to clean >> the select pins, >> > > I have a 1493 Princess which is similar. The large round selector assembly > isn't like the Seeburg pinbanks in terms of cleaning. The Seeburg pins have > a common ground for play control that is enabled by contact washers on each > pin. The Rockola uses a wobble plate and a microswitch, so no need to > disassemble, clean and polish 100 washers. > > Similarly, the write-in is done by a pair of coils, so no group relays and > multiple contacts/coils. > > Inspection, cleaning and adjustment of the printed circuit contacts on both > sides of the drum as well as the rotating solenoid and contact assemblies is > probably warranted. > > By the way, I have seen two 1493 Princess boxes where a pair of adjacent > pins (such as B6 and D6) are missing from the selector. Any idea how this > could happen short of someone disassembling the selector and removing them? > > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 05:59:18 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Mon Aug 17 08:01:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <911682.30617.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <272774.46282.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> OK I think I understand that;but will it make a difference if I use a CD-R that's?labeled a music cdr or any other cdr?? Thanks! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 com> wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 10:07 PM --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Ken wrote: > OK I ripped the CD's using windows > media player (making sure the music files were in wav.);then > I burned them onto a blank(using nero);and now they work! > WOOHOO! That's weird that I have to go through all that to > make it work,but at least it DOES work!Thanks so much! The blanks you use can make a big difference in older CD players.? I have a second generation CD player (when the price dropped below $300).? It will play some CD-Rs and not play others.? The funny thing is, it predates data CDs so it will "play" them.? They put out some interesting sounds, and the waveform fills in a complete square on a vectorscope.? 100% simultaneous in and out of phase content. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 06:02:39 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Mon Aug 17 08:01:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <794469.94818.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <811084.48917.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> OK I'll take a look later after all of my discs are back in place.Thanks for the help;and don't worry my juke is now a HUO.Thanks for all of your help! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 6:47 PM Ken, The player may or may not have a paper sticker on it. If a later style it will be either silk screened, or "embossed" on the player.? The version numbers can be read on the chips or by using the "read version" program (88) on the computer. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 2:50 PM Hmmm I don't know that Rich;how do I find that out??? Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 10:22 AM Ken, What model player is in it--which version CCC, and MCC ("Chips") ?? Ronn Rich --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 8:06 PM I just loaded all 100 cds into my cd-51 & performed a full initialize,but when I go to get & play a CD;no matter what key # I press on the keyboard it says "disc not available".for? some reason it's not letting me play my cds?? I put an awfl lot of work into this juke,and then have it tell me no discs are available to play is very frustrating!I don't even get to punch in the 2 digit disc #;I just press the first digit & it says disc not available.what could be causing this?? thanks in advance for your help! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From speedracer13440 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 06:08:09 2009 From: speedracer13440 at yahoo.com (Ken) Date: Mon Aug 17 08:01:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <4A88C633.1090101@west.net> Message-ID: <538957.28713.qm@web63208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> You're correct Jay;home use only now.The only money it MAY make me is if I have my stag party at the house & figure out how to switch the juke over from free play to pay use.The coin slot & currency acceptor does still function.Thanks for your help! Ken '93 Rowe/AMI CD-51 From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 10:53 PM Ron Rich wrote: > Ken, > You do realize that it is not legal to play anything on a commercial CD (or for that matter, 45rpm) phonograph. All must be "factory made" discs, and any "artwork" must also be "factory", to conform with the copyright laws. Also, a license is required under fed laws. Ron Rich I think that this machine is for home use and not on location, hence not technically a "commercial" phonograph. Along those lines, does anyone know if there were different 78-RPM and early 45-RPM records sold specifically for jukebox and perhaps broadcast use in the 1950s?? A lot of my 78s and some original 45s have printing around the edge of the label reading: "Licensed by Mfr. only for non-commercial use on phonographs in homes. Mfr. & original purchaser have agreed this record shall not be resold or used for any other purpose." What was up with that? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rellis2007 at aol.com Mon Aug 17 06:09:56 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 17 08:01:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485 In-Reply-To: <8BA9B4462B4D4266AF992DE2E753974C@chris545b2a181> References: <8CBEC881D9B1652-DE8-48B5@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> <8BA9B4462B4D4266AF992DE2E753974C@chris545b2a181> Message-ID: <8CBED53267EF0E0-E74-400A@FWM-D06.sysops.aol.com> Chris in the manual, it said to aline the carousel in it's home position, and to aline the orbitor under it. the orbitor normal positino is about 2 oclock,?that can not be done. they even say to do this turn the end of the drive motor it will aline?this can not be done as they both are driven and travel together. doc -----Original Message----- From: chris tanner To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, Aug 16, 2009 11:28 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485 I have removed and replaced the unit but have not cleaned the pin assembly. I followed the instructions in the manual. What do you think is suspect in the script?? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: ? To: ? Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 1:56 PM? Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485? ? >? >? > Has any one out there ever removed the large round Select unit to clean > the select pins,? >? > I have the manual but right off see a mistake in the manual about removel, > so I don't know to trust the rest of the procedure.? >? >? >? > thanks.? >? > doc ellis? > _______________________________________________? > Jukebox-list mailing list? > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? >? ? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------? ? ? No virus found in this incoming message.? Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com? Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.13.57/2303 - Release Date: 8/14/2009 6:10 PM? ? ? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From jmaja at msn.com Mon Aug 17 04:56:48 2009 From: jmaja at msn.com (Jerry and Merrylyn Anderson) Date: Mon Aug 17 08:02:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Motor Wiring Message-ID: I have a Seeburg M100C missing a motor. I have acquired a new motor but am unable to determine which color wire goes on which one of the four terminals. Any help greatly appreciated. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Mon Aug 17 06:45:15 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Mon Aug 17 08:02:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:Special Issue Jukebox Records In-Reply-To: <4A88C633.1090101@west.net> References: <215277.85726.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4A88C633.1090101@west.net> Message-ID: In reply to your question about jukebox only records, I have a few Victor 78's, pressed in the mid to late 1940's, that are marked on the label "Coin Operator's Special". The record is different than the regular release in that it has the hit song on BOTH sides of the disc. I know that one of them is Star Dust by Artie Shaw. The serial number is diffent too. I guess it made sense, with the heavy tonearms of the day, to have a special record for the jukeboxes, so that when one side wore out, you could flip the record over for a fresh copy. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan Sent: 2009, August, 16 10:54 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing Ron Rich wrote: > Ken, > You do realize that it is not legal to play anything on a commercial > CD (or for that matter, 45rpm) phonograph. All must be "factory made" > discs, and any "artwork" must also be "factory", to conform with the > copyright laws. Also, a license is required under fed laws. Ron Rich I think that this machine is for home use and not on location, hence not technically a "commercial" phonograph. Along those lines, does anyone know if there were different 78-RPM and early 45-RPM records sold specifically for jukebox and perhaps broadcast use in the 1950s? A lot of my 78s and some original 45s have printing around the edge of the label reading: "Licensed by Mfr. only for non-commercial use on phonographs in homes. Mfr. & original purchaser have agreed this record shall not be resold or used for any other purpose." What was up with that? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. 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From jay at west.net Mon Aug 17 08:17:27 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Aug 17 08:44:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: <538957.28713.qm@web63208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <538957.28713.qm@web63208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A897487.80005@west.net> Ken wrote: > You're correct Jay;home use only now.The only money it MAY make me is if I have my stag party at the house & figure out how to switch the juke over from free play to pay use.The coin slot & currency acceptor does still function.Thanks for your help! 1. Don't invite any RIAA goons to your stag party. 2. If you must invite them, get them good and drunk and be sure to have some incriminating photos of them interacting with the "entertainment" before you let them near the jukebox. Of note, I keep all of mt jukeboxes on coin, nickel play if possible or whatever the least expensive setting is. I keep a bowl with about $25 worth of nickels nearby. I don't own any CD jukes so no issue there. If the "Must have original record and artwork" rule had any teeth, then the wallbox adapters that connect to IPods, etc. would be illegal by definition. For that matter so would title strip software as jukebox records were supplied with strips so reprinted title strips would be non-original artwork. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Mon Aug 17 08:44:42 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Aug 17 08:53:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:Special Issue Jukebox Records In-Reply-To: References: <215277.85726.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4A88C633.1090101@west.net> Message-ID: <4A897AEA.6050100@west.net> Dicecco, Michael wrote: > In reply to your question about jukebox only records, I have a few > Victor 78's, pressed in the mid to late 1940's, that are marked on the > label "Coin Operator's Special". The record is different than the > regular release in that it has the hit song on BOTH sides of the disc. I > know that one of them is Star Dust by Artie Shaw. The serial number is > diffent too. I wonder if they were priced differently than the home use versions. It's interesting that in the early days of 45-RPM boxes the manufacturers came out with cut-down selection versions such as the Seeburg 220 vs 222, the AMI Continental in both 100 and 200 select, and the Wurlitzer xx00 vs xx10 machines with half the selections. One reason given for this was the cost of the records to fill the box. This doesn't seem right, as the extra cost would be a one-time thing to initially bring the box on location. Thereafter change out the non-performers on schedule the same as with a 100-play box. At under $1 per record (retail for "home use" records) at the time and most machines on dime play the cost of records doesn't seem to be a major factor. > I guess it made sense, with the heavy tonearms of the day, to have a > special record for the jukeboxes, so that when one side wore out, you > could flip the record over for a fresh copy. Same hit song on both sides? I can see that making sense prior to the M100A. Any "Coin operator" 78s with different songs on both sides? I have seen that on many 45-RPM DJ records, the same song on both sides. Usually both sides aren't identical. One will be in stereo and the other mono or one a longer "album" cut and the other a shorter edit. These usually had a plain white label as opposed to the colored or darker labels on commercial 45s for easier reading. It made sense for radio station records to be done this way as the record labels didn't want an enterprising DJ turning the record over and producing a two-sided hit by making the "B" side popular. I can't see that I've ever seen a 45 that is specifically labeled for jukebox or "coin-operator" use other than those made by Seeburg, and even those may not spell it out. The 7-inch "Little LP" format of three songs per side was, as far as I know, never sold for home use. I'll have to look closely at the labels. I have a good selection of 45s that came from a retired jukebox operator, I'll pay attention to the labels next time I go through them. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From bryanlshaw at hotmail.com Mon Aug 17 08:49:52 2009 From: bryanlshaw at hotmail.com (Bryan Shaw) Date: Mon Aug 17 08:53:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] f120 turntable cover Message-ID: Hi group I am looking for a right side turntable cover for an ami f120 the ami #is h2070 color is red. I have tried Bill Butterfield and John Durfee they did not have one. Does any one have a source? thanks Bryan _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 From steve at pro-ns.net Mon Aug 17 11:16:03 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Mon Aug 17 12:47:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:Special Issue Jukebox Records In-Reply-To: <4A897AEA.6050100@west.net> References: <215277.85726.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4A88C633.1090101@west.net> <4A897AEA.6050100@west.net> Message-ID: <20090817181603.GA10536@pro-ns.net> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 08:44:42AM -0700, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Dicecco, Michael wrote: >> In reply to your question about jukebox only records, I have a few >> Victor 78's, pressed in the mid to late 1940's, that are marked on the >> label "Coin Operator's Special". The record is different than the >> regular release in that it has the hit song on BOTH sides of the disc. I >> know that one of them is Star Dust by Artie Shaw. The serial number is >> diffent too. > > I wonder if they were priced differently than the home use versions. > It's interesting that in the early days of 45-RPM boxes the > manufacturers came out with cut-down selection versions such as the > Seeburg 220 vs 222, the AMI Continental in both 100 and 200 select, and > the Wurlitzer xx00 vs xx10 machines with half the selections. One > reason given for this was the cost of the records to fill the box. This > doesn't seem right, as the extra cost would be a one-time thing to > initially bring the box on location. Thereafter change out the > non-performers on schedule the same as with a 100-play box. At under $1 > per record (retail for "home use" records) at the time and most machines > on dime play the cost of records doesn't seem to be a major factor. That's a very interesting question, Jay, and I really want to hear what the more experienced people on the list have to say about it. Weren't there also some later models that could be converted in the field from a large number of selections down to something smaller? (Rowe, I think?) One part of me says 50 records is $50. At a dime a play, that's 500 plays. Split the proceeds 50/50 with the location, and it's 1000 extra plays before you start making money. (And I assume there was a price differential between the 100 and 200 selection jukes as well.) The other part of me says: if the location can't support the extra 1000 plays, then it gets a hand-me-down jukebox that was in one of your "A" locations previously. And if it has 200 selections and you only want to support 100 selections, load the other 50 record slots with non-performers; they're essentially free, right? --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep. -- Scott Adams From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 12:15:48 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 17 12:47:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485 In-Reply-To: <4A88FCB3.8030904@west.net> Message-ID: <680225.15170.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Guys, There are 3 different "pinbanks" that were used on 45rpm Rocks--1st style used a system almost the same as Seeburg's, which included the grounding washers to operate a "scan" relay. 2nd type eliminated the washers in favor of a "scan control assembly", which also was almost identical to Seeburgs, but the system retained the same style pins for selections. The 3rd style used totally different type "pins". and a coil/wobble plate arrangement for scan control. As for the "missing pins"--that's not too un-common. "Somehow" they "get bent" ( I dono !) and then they will jam. The "quick fix" is to bend the pins enough to get them out of the bank, so that they don't cause any more problems-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 11:46 PM rellis2007@aol.com wrote: > Has any one out there ever removed the large round Select unit to clean the select pins, I have a 1493 Princess which is similar.? The large round selector assembly isn't like the Seeburg pinbanks in terms of cleaning.? The Seeburg pins have a common ground for play control that is enabled by contact washers on each pin.? The Rockola uses a wobble plate and a microswitch, so no need to disassemble, clean and polish 100 washers. Similarly, the write-in is done by a pair of coils, so no group relays and multiple contacts/coils. Inspection, cleaning and adjustment of the printed circuit contacts on both sides of the drum as well as the rotating solenoid and contact assemblies is probably warranted. By the way,? I have seen two 1493 Princess boxes where a pair of adjacent pins (such as B6 and D6) are missing from the selector.? Any idea how this could happen short of someone disassembling the selector and removing them? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 12:19:55 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 17 12:47:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Motor Wiring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <66833.92167.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The schematic in the service manual shows the colors--- drawn out to the "connector block". Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/17/09, Jerry and Merrylyn Anderson wrote: From: Jerry and Merrylyn Anderson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C Motor Wiring To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 4:56 AM I have a Seeburg M100C missing a motor.? I have acquired a new motor but am unable to determine which color wire goes on which one of the four terminals.? Any help greatly appreciated. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Rutgersray at comcast.net Mon Aug 17 12:14:13 2009 From: Rutgersray at comcast.net (Rutgersray@comcast.net) Date: Mon Aug 17 12:47:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 442 Message-ID: <1239658909.982151250536453702.JavaMail.root@sz0028a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I respectfully ask your help with my rockola My juke will not play and b sides.? the selector will pull the metal tab for the selection but will not read it.? I cleaned the 6 drum channels which the contacts rest and their seems to be good wiping action.? I cleaned the contacts wiuth a flextone file.? Any other suggestions.? Thanks From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 12:31:54 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 17 12:47:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: <4A897487.80005@west.net> Message-ID: <314194.38443.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, Title strips are not considered "original artwork", but the "cover art" (booklet) as displayed in most CD phonographs, is. I got in a tuff with ASCAP over "Pink Floyd" --"the Wall". It is a 2 CD package, so I had no "artwork" for the 2nd CD. I color copied the artwork? from the 1st CD booklet, and set it right along side the original. They finally agreed that since I had both original discs in the phono, side by side, that it was ok to use the copy--however, if ever I removed one of the discs, I was required to also remove that copied artwork-- they can be "nasty" in this part of the woods !! Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/17/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 8:17 AM Ken wrote: > You're correct Jay;home use only now.The only money it MAY make me is if I have my stag party at the house & figure out how to switch the juke over from free play to pay use.The coin slot & currency acceptor does still function.Thanks for your help! 1. Don't invite any RIAA goons to your stag party. 2. If you must invite them, get them good and drunk and be sure to have some incriminating photos of them interacting with the "entertainment" before you let them near the jukebox. Of note, I keep all of mt jukeboxes on coin, nickel play if possible or whatever the least expensive setting is.? I keep a bowl with about $25 worth of nickels nearby.? I don't own any CD jukes so no issue there. If the "Must have original record and artwork" rule had any teeth, then the wallbox adapters that connect to IPods, etc. would be illegal by definition.? For that matter so would title strip software as jukebox records were supplied with strips so reprinted title strips would be non-original artwork. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 12:38:08 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 17 12:47:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:Special Issue Jukebox Records In-Reply-To: <4A897AEA.6050100@west.net> Message-ID: <328831.3153.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, After CD's came out, I have seen 45's that were marked something like "for jukebox use only"-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/17/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE:Special Issue Jukebox Records To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 8:44 AM Dicecco, Michael wrote: > In reply to your question about jukebox only records, I have a few > Victor 78's, pressed in the mid to late 1940's, that are marked on the > label "Coin Operator's Special". The record is different than the > regular release in that it has the hit song on BOTH sides of the disc. I > know that one of them is Star Dust by Artie Shaw. The serial number is > diffent too. I wonder if they were priced differently than the home use versions. It's interesting that in the early days of 45-RPM boxes the manufacturers came out with cut-down selection versions such as the Seeburg 220 vs 222, the AMI Continental in both 100 and 200 select, and the Wurlitzer xx00 vs xx10 machines with half the selections.? One reason given for this was the cost of the records to fill the box.? This doesn't seem right, as the extra cost would be a one-time thing to initially bring the box on location.? Thereafter change out the non-performers on schedule the same as with a 100-play box.? At under $1 per record (retail for "home use" records) at the time and most machines on dime play the cost of records doesn't seem to be a major factor. > I guess it made sense, with the heavy tonearms of the day, to have a > special record for the jukeboxes, so that when one side wore out, you > could flip the record over for a fresh copy. Same hit song on both sides?? I can see that making sense prior to the M100A.? Any "Coin operator" 78s with different songs on both sides? I have seen that on many 45-RPM DJ records, the same song on both sides.? Usually both sides aren't identical.? One will be in stereo and the other mono or one a longer "album" cut and the other a shorter edit. These usually had a plain white label as opposed to the colored or darker labels on commercial 45s for easier reading.? It made sense for radio station records to be done this way as the record labels didn't want an enterprising DJ turning the record over and producing a two-sided hit by making the "B" side popular. I can't see that I've ever seen a 45 that is specifically labeled for jukebox or "coin-operator" use other than those made by Seeburg, and even those may not spell it out.? The 7-inch "Little LP" format of three songs per side was, as far as I know, never sold for home use.? I'll have to look closely at the labels. I have a good selection of 45s that came from a retired jukebox operator, I'll pay attention to the labels next time I go through them. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Mon Aug 17 13:29:39 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Aug 17 13:39:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: <314194.38443.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <314194.38443.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A89BDB3.705@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Jay, > Title strips are not considered "original artwork", but the "cover art" (booklet) as displayed in most CD phonographs, is. I got in a tuff with ASCAP over "Pink Floyd" --"the Wall". It is a 2 CD package, so I had no "artwork" for the 2nd CD. I color copied the artwork from the 1st CD booklet, and set it right along side the original. They finally agreed that since I had both original discs in the phono, side by side, that it was ok to use the copy--however, if ever I removed one of the discs, I was required to also remove that copied artwork-- Well of course. If you remove one of the original disks you would obviously want to remove the artwork as it wouldn't match whatever disk you put into the empty slot. > they can be "nasty" in this part of the woods !! Does ASCAP just randomly go around visiting bars and other typical jukebox locations and inspect every disk and art book? On something like the NSM CD jukes that keep the CDs in stacks they would have to play a song from each disk to observe its label. This could get expensive and time-consuming. What about jukes with no visible mechanism? I've heard stories about Coca-Cola sending reps to visit restaurants and order a "Coke". If the owners serve Pepsi they get hassled. Always thought that kind of thing was urban legend. This seems really over-the-top. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 13:34:13 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Aug 17 13:39:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <272774.46282.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <185346.64304.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 8/17/09, Ken wrote: > OK I think I understand that;but will > it make a difference if I use a CD-R that's?labeled a music > cdr or any other cdr?? These kind of markings made sense on cassette tapes, when different oxide formulations offered better frequency response, but as far as CDs go, it's just marketing hype. All a CD records is ones and zeros. There is no difference between the ones and zeros in music, a Powerpoint presentation, or an email message. That said, there was a short-lived "preformatted" consumer CD-R disk in the 1990s that had an ASCAP/BMI tax levied against it and was therefore "licensed for home use" on special consumer CD burners. However, "pro" CD blanks and CD burners were soon ubiquitous and the "CD-TAX" quickly disappeared from the market. From jay at west.net Mon Aug 17 13:39:24 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Aug 17 13:41:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:Special Issue Jukebox Records In-Reply-To: <20090817181603.GA10536@pro-ns.net> References: <215277.85726.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4A88C633.1090101@west.net> <4A897AEA.6050100@west.net> <20090817181603.GA10536@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <4A89BFFC.4040000@west.net> Steve Wahl wrote: > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 08:44:42AM -0700, Jay Hennigan wrote: > >> I wonder if they were priced differently than the home use versions. >> It's interesting that in the early days of 45-RPM boxes the >> manufacturers came out with cut-down selection versions such as the >> Seeburg 220 vs 222, the AMI Continental in both 100 and 200 select, and >> the Wurlitzer xx00 vs xx10 machines with half the selections. One >> reason given for this was the cost of the records to fill the box. This >> doesn't seem right, as the extra cost would be a one-time thing to >> initially bring the box on location. Thereafter change out the >> non-performers on schedule the same as with a 100-play box. At under $1 >> per record (retail for "home use" records) at the time and most machines >> on dime play the cost of records doesn't seem to be a major factor. > > That's a very interesting question, Jay, and I really want to hear > what the more experienced people on the list have to say about it. > Weren't there also some later models that could be converted in the > field from a large number of selections down to something smaller? > (Rowe, I think?) > > One part of me says 50 records is $50. At a dime a play, that's 500 > plays. Split the proceeds 50/50 with the location, and it's 1000 > extra plays before you start making money. (And I assume there was a > price differential between the 100 and 200 selection jukes as well.) > > The other part of me says: if the location can't support the extra > 1000 plays, then it gets a hand-me-down jukebox that was in one of > your "A" locations previously. And if it has 200 selections and you > only want to support 100 selections, load the other 50 record slots > with non-performers; they're essentially free, right? And it wouldn't be like a jukebox operator doesn't have hundreds of last month's hits lying around with which to populate the extra slots. Of course there is typically a (small) price differential between the new cost of a 160-play or 200-play box and the 100-play version, but not that much of one. The location operators would probably like a little more variety as well. Going from 24 selections to 100 with the M100A was a huge deal and got Seeburg a giant leg up on the competition. It seems unusual that anyone would ever want to go smaller in the number of selections. I thought about wallbox compatibility as being a reason, but 100-select wallboxes on a 200-select jukebox should generally be OK, you just can't play the higher numbered selections. At worst change the page designator strips from A1-A2 to A1-B1 and you should be good to go. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Aug 17 14:14:36 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Aug 17 16:08:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:Special Issue Jukebox Records Message-ID: <20090817.171436.22462.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I think the argument of the 100 select vs. 200 select jukes of the 50's had something to do with the physical size of the machines, and the floor space/location that restaurant & bar operators were willing to devote to it. The restaurant manager would think in the terms of a what a jukebox placement versus installing another table/booth in the space would do to earn more more revenue. The machines generally earned more money if they were placed near a heavily-travelled customer walkway like the path to an entrance or exit. This is the placement the juke operator would strive for. Restaurant managers preferred to locate machines in out of the way places, such as the entryway to a kitchen, or in back corners. A few locations, such as ice cream parlors,pizza parlors and hamburger joints liked to have the jukebox as a centerpiece in the room and were willing to give it prime placement. This is where highly styled jukes like the V200, W2100's etc would often go. I was the tech for an operator in the mid 60's, and this was often the issue when a new juke location was being scoped out. By this time it seemed that the selection capacity had settled on either 160 play or compact 100 play "Princess" sized machines. By this time, the "new" wallboxes with the stereo speakers in them were a hot item for restaurants that had a lot of booth seating. The main juke was sometimes given floor space-when floorspace was tight a hideaway unit was used. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Be your own boss today! Easy Handyman Franchise. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbiOFW26q9GfMK9uc5WQl8ErIgcoInD4xMLzGsIUYSQlnIFWehfuI/ From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 14:24:01 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon Aug 17 16:08:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: <4A89BDB3.705@west.net> References: <314194.38443.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4A89BDB3.705@west.net> Message-ID: Jay, They do, indeed, do strange things for enforcement purposes (ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC). I've had an "agent" (observer? I don't remember the exact terminology they used, but they were able to produce satisfactory ID to convince me they were legit) watch me unload a CD jukebox at a new location several years ago. They verified that it had a valid jukebox licensce sticker on it, and once set up verified that the jukebox took in money for credit, and then questioned me about a "homemade" sign for Tammy Wynette's "Greatest hits" CD. I didn't have the original album cover when I set the jukebox up, so I handwrote "Tammy Wynette's Greatest Hits" on cardstock to put where the album cover would normally go. They accepted that after making me show that I had an original disc in the jukebox. Weird folks- I don't recommend pissing them off! :) Thomas On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Ron Rich wrote: > >> Jay, >> Title strips are not considered "original artwork", but the "cover art" >> (booklet) as displayed in most CD phonographs, is. I got in a tuff with >> ASCAP over "Pink Floyd" --"the Wall". It is a 2 CD package, so I had no >> "artwork" for the 2nd CD. I color copied the artwork from the 1st CD >> booklet, and set it right along side the original. They finally agreed that >> since I had both original discs in the phono, side by side, that it was ok >> to use the copy--however, if ever I removed one of the discs, I was required >> to also remove that copied artwork-- >> > > Well of course. If you remove one of the original disks you would > obviously want to remove the artwork as it wouldn't match whatever disk you > put into the empty slot. > > they can be "nasty" in this part of the woods !! >> > > Does ASCAP just randomly go around visiting bars and other typical jukebox > locations and inspect every disk and art book? On something like the NSM CD > jukes that keep the CDs in stacks they would have to play a song from each > disk to observe its label. This could get expensive and time-consuming. > What about jukes with no visible mechanism? > > I've heard stories about Coca-Cola sending reps to visit restaurants and > order a "Coke". If the owners serve Pepsi they get hassled. Always > thought that kind of thing was urban legend. This seems really > over-the-top. > > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 17 14:29:12 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Mon Aug 17 16:08:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485 References: <8CBEC881D9B1652-DE8-48B5@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com><8BA9B4462B4D4266AF992DE2E753974C@chris545b2a181> <8CBED53267EF0E0-E74-400A@FWM-D06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003501ca1f81$c3c54c90$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Doc- you are misunderstanding the maunal. You are supposed to bring the carousel "home" just to get the contact block (or "carraige" as Rockola calls it) close to a postion where you can remove it from the pinbank. There are two screws and a metal segment you must remove from the pinbank, and then the contact block will slide out. These are located close to the 2 o'clock position. You will have to turn the motor by hand to move the carousel into the exact position. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485 > > Chris > > > > in the manual, it said to aline the carousel in it's home position, and to > aline the orbitor under it. the orbitor normal positino is about 2 > oclock,?that can not be done. they even say to do this turn the end of the > drive motor it will aline?this can not be done as they both are driven and > travel together. > > > > doc > > > -----Original Message----- > From: chris tanner > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Sun, Aug 16, 2009 11:28 am > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485 > > > > I have removed and replaced the unit but have not cleaned the pin > assembly. I followed the instructions in the manual. What do you think is > suspect in the script?? > ? > ----- Original Message ----- From: ? > To: ? > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 1:56 PM? > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485? > ? >>? >>? >> Has any one out there ever removed the large round Select unit to clean > >> the select pins,? >>? >> I have the manual but right off see a mistake in the manual about >> removel, > so I don't know to trust the rest of the procedure.? >>? >>? >>? >> thanks.? >>? >> doc ellis? >> _______________________________________________? >> Jukebox-list mailing list? >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? >>? > ? > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------? > ? > ? > No virus found in this incoming message.? > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com? > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.13.57/2303 - Release Date: > 8/14/2009 6:10 PM? > ? > ? > _______________________________________________? > Jukebox-list mailing list? > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Aug 17 15:14:32 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Aug 17 16:08:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:Special Issue Jukebox Records Message-ID: <20090817.181432.8040.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Here's my take on what the ASCAP/BMI /RIAA enforcement guys are looking for in the way of legal compliance. From the late 80's going forward, I've worked a lot with commercial music ("Muzak") installations. I became familiar with ASCAP rules/regs durig this time. The above organizations strive to collect and enforce royalty payments to songwriters and artists when their copywritten-protected works are played (either live or mechanically) in commercial settings. The thought process is that their music is contributing to the atmosphere where commerce (i.e. the purchase of drinks, pizza, meals,the sale of tickets,etc) takes place and the artist/songwriter (through their publishing company) should be rewarded for that. Jukebox operators (in the vinyl days) were supposed to take out a license for each machine that was on location,in addition to paying for the records stocking the juke. Now, with the E-Cast Internet jukes, public performance royalties are collected/filed directly in that program. Restaurants, stores and places of business that subscribe to a satellite delivered background music service pay a fixed royalty fee per month, built into the cost of the music subscription service. Home subscribers to music services, usually found on on TV satellite services (DirectTV, Dish) are not expected to pay ASCAP/BMI royalties. Buyers of music for home use are expected to purchase the music once in either a product or digital file format. There has been some news about court cases where RIAA successfully prosecuted individuals that were buying/distributing copywritten music works for free via file sharing sites. Home juke owners, no matter what the media format, should not have to pay public performance fees for music, even if the juke is coin-operated. Bars that feature live music performances are expected to pay an annual ASCAP/BMI license fee in order to fund cover versions of hit songs written by others played by local bar bands. Along the same lines, royalty fees are supposed to filed for and paid by the local high drama group that stages their version of "A Chorus Line" or other established,copywritten work. There is usually not heavy enforcement here, because the main effort of the play is usually not to raise money. There's a law ASCAP/BMI/RIAA is trying to get passed that will make radio/TV stations liable for fees for the music they use. Radio stations have long been exempt because they were considered to be promoters of new recorded music. This is a topic of legal discussion right now. The Capitol/EMI 45's released in the 80's-90's were marked "for jukeboxes only". Maybe this extended to other record labels owned by the Capitol EMI group at the time. I'm not sure why this was done. Hopes this helps to clarify.... JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for fast, safe, easy money transfers. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbcHCFkVKUX2aYZpTnSQyDreZv288Eq7OYKEOHR5bjsPg2oHwf7ck/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 15:32:35 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 17 16:08:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:Special Issue Jukebox Records In-Reply-To: <20090817181603.GA10536@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <580172.95133.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> What I have HEARD is that some southern states had a "selection # tax", and that it was quite high for jukes that were over 100 selections ?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/17/09, Steve Wahl wrote: From: Steve Wahl Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE:Special Issue Jukebox Records To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 11:16 AM On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 08:44:42AM -0700, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Dicecco, Michael wrote: >> In reply to your question about jukebox only records, I have a few >> Victor 78's, pressed in the mid to late 1940's, that are marked on the >> label "Coin Operator's Special". The record is different than the >> regular release in that it has the hit song on BOTH sides of the disc. I >> know that one of them is Star Dust by Artie Shaw. The serial number is >> diffent too. > > I wonder if they were priced differently than the home use versions.? > It's interesting that in the early days of 45-RPM boxes the? > manufacturers came out with cut-down selection versions such as the? > Seeburg 220 vs 222, the AMI Continental in both 100 and 200 select, and? > the Wurlitzer xx00 vs xx10 machines with half the selections.? One? > reason given for this was the cost of the records to fill the box.? This? > doesn't seem right, as the extra cost would be a one-time thing to? > initially bring the box on location.? Thereafter change out the? > non-performers on schedule the same as with a 100-play box.? At under $1? > per record (retail for "home use" records) at the time and most machines? > on dime play the cost of records doesn't seem to be a major factor. That's a very interesting question, Jay, and I really want to hear what the more experienced people on the list have to say about it. Weren't there also some later models that could be converted in the field from a large number of selections down to something smaller? (Rowe, I think?) One part of me says 50 records is $50.? At a dime a play, that's 500 plays.? Split the proceeds 50/50 with the location, and it's 1000 extra plays before you start making money.? (And I assume there was a price differential between the 100 and 200 selection jukes as well.) The other part of me says: if the location can't support the extra 1000 plays, then it gets a hand-me-down jukebox that was in one of your "A" locations previously.? And if it has 200 selections and you only want to support 100 selections, load the other 50 record slots with non-performers; they're essentially free, right? --> Steve -- Steve Wahl? ? steve@pro-ns.net Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep.? ? -- Scott Adams _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From leovalk at hotmail.com Mon Aug 17 16:03:39 2009 From: leovalk at hotmail.com (leo valk) Date: Mon Aug 17 16:08:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: <4A89BDB3.705@west.net> References: <314194.38443.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4A89BDB3.705@west.net> Message-ID: Jay, in spite of going a little of topic here: I'm happy to hear the Coca Cola reps visit restaurants to check on what's served. Me for one, would not accept Pepsi instead of "Coke". To sweet and gives me belly aches. Therefore I actually always ask up front if they serve "the real thing". So personally I find such an approach by Coca Cola not to be "over-the-top". regards, Leo > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:29:39 -0700 > From: jay@west.net > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > > Does ASCAP just randomly go around visiting bars and other typical > jukebox locations and inspect every disk and art book? On something > like the NSM CD jukes that keep the CDs in stacks they would have to > play a song from each disk to observe its label. This could get > expensive and time-consuming. What about jukes with no visible mechanism? > > I've heard stories about Coca-Cola sending reps to visit restaurants and > order a "Coke". If the owners serve Pepsi they get hassled. Always > thought that kind of thing was urban legend. This seems really > over-the-top. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > Ron Rich wrote: > > Jay, > > Title strips are not considered "original artwork", but the "cover art" (booklet) as displayed in most CD phonographs, is. I got in a tuff with ASCAP over "Pink Floyd" --"the Wall". It is a 2 CD package, so I had no "artwork" for the 2nd CD. I color copied the artwork from the 1st CD booklet, and set it right along side the original. They finally agreed that since I had both original discs in the phono, side by side, that it was ok to use the copy--however, if ever I removed one of the discs, I was required to also remove that copied artwork-- > > Well of course. If you remove one of the original disks you would > obviously want to remove the artwork as it wouldn't match whatever disk > you put into the empty slot. > > > they can be "nasty" in this part of the woods !! > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ What goes online, stays online Check the daily blob for the latest on what's happening around the web http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx From jay at west.net Mon Aug 17 16:15:38 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Aug 17 16:19:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:Special Issue Jukebox Records In-Reply-To: <20090817.171436.22462.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090817.171436.22462.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4A89E49A.9060608@west.net> James Alexander wrote: > > Gentlemen: > > I think the argument of the 100 select vs. 200 select jukes of the 50's had something to do with the physical size of the machines, and the floor space/location that restaurant & bar operators were willing to devote to it. The restaurant manager would think in the terms of a what a jukebox placement versus installing another table/booth in the space would do to earn more more revenue. The machines generally earned more money if they were placed near a heavily-travelled customer walkway like the path to an entrance or exit. This is the placement the juke operator would strive for. Restaurant managers preferred to locate machines in out of the way places, such as the entryway to a kitchen, or in back corners. A few locations, such as ice cream parlors,pizza parlors and hamburger joints liked to have the jukebox as a centerpiece in the room and were willing to give it prime placement. This is where highly styled jukes like the V200, W2100's etc would often go. I can buy that in terms of the V200 being wider and larger, but there is no physical difference in the cabinet of a Seeburg 220 vs. 222 or a Continental (which is very compact in terms of floor space) 100 vs. 200 select, or a Wurlitzer xx00 vs. xx10 machine. Your theory accounts for the popularity of the Princess and other compact machines, but doesn't explain why all of the major manufacturers were making both 100-select and a 160- or 200-select version of the same machine in the same cabinet or why operators would buy the units with fewer selections. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 16:19:19 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 17 16:22:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: <4A89BDB3.705@west.net> Message-ID: <625040.44373.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, No, they have never done that to me--I have been hauled into court for not having a copyright sticker attached to a jukebox once in 1978. In those days, there was no "space" to attach the stickers, so what we were doing is attaching them to the outside glass of the phono with several layers of clear shipping tape. Also, in those days they required a serial number of each phono in order to issue the tag (and it was shown on the tag). Well, we had a location that was a block or so from ASCAP's office. We DID tag that juke (and ALL others we owned), but someone took the trouble to remove the tag--ASCAP and the Judge admitted that the serial number of the phono matched a tag we had purchased--BUT--it was NOT displayed as per the license agreement--so we paid the $1500.00 fine-- (and had to purchase a new tag for that phono--8 or 9 dollars per year in those days) On the "Wall" incident--it was some years later, and I was wheeling a CD phono into a "strip joint".? An ASCAP rep. was outside waiting for the location owner, attempting to collect for the "music used". He waited for me to install the juke, then came up to me with his card in his hand, and noted that? did have the correct JLO sticker on the juke, and it was set "for money". He wanted to know who was going to "insert the money" and I told him that the "customer" would pay to play ""his"" girls favorite music--I guess". He said that as long as it was "pay to play, its OK". Then he looked at the selections, and asked if there were any "burned CD's in it". I told him no, I don't use them. He said that he wanted to look, I said OK, and opened the box for him--that's when he hit on the Pink Floyd discs-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/17/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 1:29 PM Ron Rich wrote: > Jay, > Title strips are not considered "original artwork", but the "cover art" (booklet) as displayed in most CD phonographs, is. I got in a tuff with ASCAP over "Pink Floyd" --"the Wall". It is a 2 CD package, so I had no "artwork" for the 2nd CD. I color copied the artwork? from the 1st CD booklet, and set it right along side the original. They finally agreed that since I had both original discs in the phono, side by side, that it was ok to use the copy--however, if ever I removed one of the discs, I was required to also remove that copied artwork-- Well of course.? If you remove one of the original disks you would obviously want to remove the artwork as it wouldn't match whatever disk you put into the empty slot. > they can be "nasty" in this part of the woods !! Does ASCAP just randomly go around visiting bars and other typical jukebox locations and inspect every disk and art book?? On something like the NSM CD jukes that keep the CDs in stacks they would have to play a song from each disk to observe its label.? This could get expensive and time-consuming.? What about jukes with no visible mechanism? I've heard stories about Coca-Cola sending reps to visit restaurants and order a "Coke".???If the owners serve Pepsi they get hassled.? Always thought that kind of thing was urban legend.? This seems really over-the-top. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Mon Aug 17 16:20:46 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Mon Aug 17 16:31:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 442 References: <1239658909.982151250536453702.JavaMail.root@sz0028a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <03789A1182B74BB69897AA3F236A60F8@D41XWQ61> On older Rock-Olas's there is a relay in front by the service switch. If I understand your problem, it won't play B sides, but the pins activate. That relay tells the machine to pick up A or B sides. I had the same problem and that solved it right away. Clean that relay. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 442 I respectfully ask your help with my rockola My juke will not play and b sides. the selector will pull the metal tab for the selection but will not read it. I cleaned the 6 drum channels which the contacts rest and their seems to be good wiping action. I cleaned the contacts wiuth a flextone file. Any other suggestions. Thanks _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 16:30:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 17 16:33:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <463730.10441.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I thought that I was the "only one"--but I can taste it if it's Pepsi vs Coke. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/17/09, leo valk wrote: From: leo valk Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. To: "helpdesk juukebox" Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 4:03 PM Jay, in spite of going a little of topic here: I'm happy to hear the Coca Cola reps visit restaurants to check on what's served. Me for one, would not accept Pepsi instead of "Coke". To sweet and gives me belly aches. Therefore I actually always ask up front if they serve "the real thing". So personally I find such an approach by Coca Cola not to be "over-the-top". regards, Leo > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:29:39 -0700 > From: jay@west.net > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > > Does ASCAP just randomly go around visiting bars and other typical > jukebox locations and inspect every disk and art book? On something > like the NSM CD jukes that keep the CDs in stacks they would have to > play a song from each disk to observe its label. This could get > expensive and time-consuming. What about jukes with no visible mechanism? > > I've heard stories about Coca-Cola sending reps to visit restaurants and > order a "Coke". If the owners serve Pepsi they get hassled. Always > thought that kind of thing was urban legend. This seems really > over-the-top. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > Ron Rich wrote: > > Jay, > > Title strips are not considered "original artwork", but the "cover art" (booklet) as displayed in most CD phonographs, is. I got in a tuff with ASCAP over "Pink Floyd" --"the Wall". It is a 2 CD package, so I had no "artwork" for the 2nd CD. I color copied the artwork from the 1st CD booklet, and set it right along side the original. They finally agreed that since I had both original discs in the phono, side by side, that it was ok to use the copy--however, if ever I removed one of the discs, I was required to also remove that copied artwork-- > > Well of course. If you remove one of the original disks you would > obviously want to remove the artwork as it wouldn't match whatever disk > you put into the empty slot. > > > they can be "nasty" in this part of the woods !! > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ What goes online, stays online Check the daily blob for the latest on what's happening around the web http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From leovalk at hotmail.com Mon Aug 17 16:36:16 2009 From: leovalk at hotmail.com (leo valk) Date: Mon Aug 17 16:44:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: <463730.10441.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <463730.10441.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, you can even smell 'm apart. Leo > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:30:36 -0700 > From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > I thought that I was the "only one"--but I can taste it if it's Pepsi vs Coke. Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 8/17/09, leo valk wrote: > > From: leo valk > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > To: "helpdesk juukebox" > Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 4:03 PM > > > Jay, in spite of going a little of topic here: I'm happy to hear the Coca Cola reps > > visit restaurants to check on what's served. Me for one, would not accept Pepsi > > instead of "Coke". To sweet and gives me belly aches. Therefore I actually always > > ask up front if they serve "the real thing". So personally I find such an approach > > by Coca Cola not to be "over-the-top". > > > > regards, Leo > > > > > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:29:39 -0700 > > From: jay@west.net > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > > > > Does ASCAP just randomly go around visiting bars and other typical > > jukebox locations and inspect every disk and art book? On something > > like the NSM CD jukes that keep the CDs in stacks they would have to > > play a song from each disk to observe its label. This could get > > expensive and time-consuming. What about jukes with no visible mechanism? > > > > I've heard stories about Coca-Cola sending reps to visit restaurants and > > order a "Coke". If the owners serve Pepsi they get hassled. Always > > thought that kind of thing was urban legend. This seems really > > over-the-top. > > > > -- > > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > > > > > Ron Rich wrote: > > > Jay, > > > Title strips are not considered "original artwork", but the "cover art" (booklet) as displayed in most CD phonographs, is. I got in a tuff with ASCAP over "Pink Floyd" --"the Wall". It is a 2 CD package, so I had no "artwork" for the 2nd CD. I color copied the artwork from the 1st CD booklet, and set it right along side the original. They finally agreed that since I had both original discs in the phono, side by side, that it was ok to use the copy--however, if ever I removed one of the discs, I was required to also remove that copied artwork-- > > > > Well of course. If you remove one of the original disks you would > > obviously want to remove the artwork as it wouldn't match whatever disk > > you put into the empty slot. > > > > > they can be "nasty" in this part of the woods !! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _________________________________________________________________ > What goes online, stays online Check the daily blob for the latest on what's happening around the web > http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area Click Here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdating%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fsearch%2Fsearch%2Easpx%3Fexec%3Dgo%26tp%3Dq%26gc%3D2%26tr%3D1%26lage%3D18%26uage%3D55%26cl%3D14%26sl%3D0%26dist%3D50%26po%3D1%26do%3D2%26trackingid%3D1046138%26r2s%3D1&_t=773166090&_r=Hotmail_Endtext&_m=EXT From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 17 17:02:12 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Mon Aug 17 17:33:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 442 References: <1239658909.982151250536453702.JavaMail.root@sz0028a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <03789A1182B74BB69897AA3F236A60F8@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <001701ca1f97$239dfe40$6101a8c0@Dirksen> The read out arm has two contacts - one to play A and one to play B sides. These are held in by a brass "keeper" and usually will tarnish between each other, thus not making good electrical contact. Sometimes the contact will also get gummy and stick up inside the arm, missing the pins. I would remove and clean these contacts first. You will have to remove the read out arm to do this. There is also a set of snap acting switches near the front of the mech that are activated by a mechanical linkage that follows two circular cams in the record basket casting. You can watch this arm move up and down an inch or so, activating the switch as the basket scans by home. Check and clean these switches. An obscure problem I've seen is that the cam follower gets stuck from lack of lubrication, and will stay in only one groove, thus not activating the snap acting switch to play the other record side. Good luck, Jim > I respectfully ask your help with my rockola > My juke will not play and b sides. the selector will pull the metal tab > for the selection but will not read it. I cleaned the 6 drum channels > which the contacts rest and their seems to be good wiping action. I > cleaned the contacts wiuth a flextone file. Any other suggestions. Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dppe at inebraska.com Mon Aug 17 17:46:27 2009 From: dppe at inebraska.com (Dana) Date: Mon Aug 17 19:16:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg JL100 odd numbered letter E keys Message-ID: <0212a20a1b78a7fb77f5726a191aa3f5@inebraska.com> I've almost got this box completely working, but still am having problems with letter E-1, 3, 5, 7, and 9 keys not selecting. The pins are fired when you push the keys, but the contact block is going right by these pins. I have tried wiggling these pins back and forth, cleaning the 27 pin selection plug on the redceiver and spraying it as well as the receptacle with contact spray and sliding the plug in and out. I have also checked for disconnected wires. Suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dana From gibson510 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 17 18:04:27 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Mon Aug 17 19:16:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Hyperbeam Auth Codes Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:47:52 -0700 From: "Jeff Zurn" Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM CD jukebox (Hyper Beam) Authorization code To: "Jukebox mailing list" Message-ID: <002601ca1ecb$f8a68f20$95c74109@ZURNT60> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Anyone out there know if the NSM Authorization code can be over-ridden or reset? The factory default isn't working and the owner didn't knowingly set it to something... I'm hoping there is a 'secret' program or a 'trick' someone can point me to. Thank you. Jeff Jeff, I have what you need, contact me off the list Rick Murray _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 19:38:46 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 17 19:50:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <987249.85328.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well, I have a problem there--no sense of smell !! (probably should have left of the words "of smell", before one of you other wise guy do it ?)? ? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/17/09, leo valk wrote: From: leo valk Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. To: "helpdesk juukebox" Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 4:36 PM Ron, you can even smell 'm apart. Leo > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:30:36 -0700 > From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > I thought that I was the "only one"--but I can taste it if it's Pepsi vs Coke. Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 8/17/09, leo valk wrote: > > From: leo valk > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > To: "helpdesk juukebox" > Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 4:03 PM > > > Jay, in spite of going a little of topic here: I'm happy to hear the Coca Cola reps > > visit restaurants to check on what's served. Me for one, would not accept Pepsi > > instead of "Coke". To sweet and gives me belly aches. Therefore I actually always > > ask up front if they serve "the real thing". So personally I find such an approach > > by Coca Cola not to be "over-the-top". > > > > regards, Leo > > > > > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:29:39 -0700 > > From: jay@west.net > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > > > > Does ASCAP just randomly go around visiting bars and other typical > > jukebox locations and inspect every disk and art book? On something > > like the NSM CD jukes that keep the CDs in stacks they would have to > > play a song from each disk to observe its label. This could get > > expensive and time-consuming. What about jukes with no visible mechanism? > > > > I've heard stories about Coca-Cola sending reps to visit restaurants and > > order a "Coke". If the owners serve Pepsi they get hassled. Always > > thought that kind of thing was urban legend. This seems really > > over-the-top. > > > > -- > > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > > > > > Ron Rich wrote: > > > Jay, > > > Title strips are not considered "original artwork", but the "cover art" (booklet) as displayed in most CD phonographs, is. I got in a tuff with ASCAP over "Pink Floyd" --"the Wall". It is a 2 CD package, so I had no "artwork" for the 2nd CD. I color copied the artwork from the 1st CD booklet, and set it right along side the original. They finally agreed that since I had both original discs in the phono, side by side, that it was ok to use the copy--however, if ever I removed one of the discs, I was required to also remove that copied artwork-- > > > > Well of course. If you remove one of the original disks you would > > obviously want to remove the artwork as it wouldn't match whatever disk > > you put into the empty slot. > > > > > they can be "nasty" in this part of the woods !! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _________________________________________________________________ > What goes online, stays online Check the daily blob for the latest on what's happening around the web > http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area Click Here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdating%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fsearch%2Fsearch%2Easpx%3Fexec%3Dgo%26tp%3Dq%26gc%3D2%26tr%3D1%26lage%3D18%26uage%3D55%26cl%3D14%26sl%3D0%26dist%3D50%26po%3D1%26do%3D2%26trackingid%3D1046138%26r2s%3D1&_t=773166090&_r=Hotmail_Endtext&_m=EXT_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 19:50:12 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 17 20:18:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg JL100 odd numbered letter E keys In-Reply-To: <0212a20a1b78a7fb77f5726a191aa3f5@inebraska.com> Message-ID: <136115.59313.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dana, If the pins are "fired", your problem is NOT in the large plug, or any of the associated wiring. It's strictly in the position of the fired pins. This can be the result of someone "rebuilding" the SA Unit, and either positioning the section wrong, or installing the pin(s) "backwards".? There also could be a bend in the "rail" that the contact block (aka "frog") rides on, that causes this. What needs to be done (in a nutshell) is removal of the SA Unit, removal of the frog , removal of the sensor pin and peer down in there, while passing the frog over those pins. Once it is determined what exactly is causing the problem, corrective measures must be undertaken. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/17/09, Dana wrote: From: Dana Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg JL100 odd numbered letter E keys To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 5:46 PM I've almost got this box completely working, but still am having problems with letter E-1, 3, 5, 7, and 9 keys not selecting.? The pins are fired when you push the keys, but the contact block is going right by these pins.? I have tried wiggling these pins back and forth, cleaning the 27 pin selection plug on the redceiver and spraying it as well as the receptacle with contact spray and sliding the plug in and out.? I have also checked for disconnected wires.? Suggestions would be greatly appreciated.? Thanks, Dana _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Mon Aug 17 20:28:22 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Mon Aug 17 21:09:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. References: <463730.10441.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ASCAP is not the main problem. It's RIAA. When music is played anywhere, RIAA, ASCAP, BMI and SESAC get their piece of the play profit. Even music played in restrooms is not free. Technically, playing loud music from your vehicle is against ASCAP rules, without paying for it. That's considered public performance. No, I'm not joking. Those people are serious as death and will file suit against anyone; even kids. Juke owners are required to pay per play, just like a radio station. ----- Original Message ----- From: "leo valk" To: "helpdesk juukebox" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. Ron, you can even smell 'm apart. Leo > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:30:36 -0700 > From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > I thought that I was the "only one"--but I can taste it if it's Pepsi vs > Coke. Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 8/17/09, leo valk wrote: > > From: leo valk > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > To: "helpdesk juukebox" > Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 4:03 PM > > > Jay, in spite of going a little of topic here: I'm happy to hear the Coca > Cola reps > > visit restaurants to check on what's served. Me for one, would not accept > Pepsi > > instead of "Coke". To sweet and gives me belly aches. Therefore I actually > always > > ask up front if they serve "the real thing". So personally I find such an > approach > > by Coca Cola not to be "over-the-top". > > > > regards, Leo > > > > > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:29:39 -0700 > > From: jay@west.net > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > > > > Does ASCAP just randomly go around visiting bars and other typical > > jukebox locations and inspect every disk and art book? On something > > like the NSM CD jukes that keep the CDs in stacks they would have to > > play a song from each disk to observe its label. This could get > > expensive and time-consuming. What about jukes with no visible > > mechanism? > > > > I've heard stories about Coca-Cola sending reps to visit restaurants and > > order a "Coke". If the owners serve Pepsi they get hassled. Always > > thought that kind of thing was urban legend. This seems really > > over-the-top. > > > > -- > > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > > > > > Ron Rich wrote: > > > Jay, > > > Title strips are not considered "original artwork", but the "cover > > > art" (booklet) as displayed in most CD phonographs, is. I got in a > > > tuff with ASCAP over "Pink Floyd" --"the Wall". It is a 2 CD package, > > > so I had no "artwork" for the 2nd CD. I color copied the artwork from > > > the 1st CD booklet, and set it right along side the original. They > > > finally agreed that since I had both original discs in the phono, side > > > by side, that it was ok to use the copy--however, if ever I removed > > > one of the discs, I was required to also remove that copied artwork-- > > > > Well of course. If you remove one of the original disks you would > > obviously want to remove the artwork as it wouldn't match whatever disk > > you put into the empty slot. > > > > > they can be "nasty" in this part of the woods !! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _________________________________________________________________ > What goes online, stays online Check the daily blob for the latest on > what's happening around the web > http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area Click Here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdating%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fsearch%2Fsearch%2Easpx%3Fexec%3Dgo%26tp%3Dq%26gc%3D2%26tr%3D1%26lage%3D18%26uage%3D55%26cl%3D14%26sl%3D0%26dist%3D50%26po%3D1%26do%3D2%26trackingid%3D1046138%26r2s%3D1&_t=773166090&_r=Hotmail_Endtext&_m=EXT_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Mon Aug 17 21:24:40 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Aug 17 21:55:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed with Seeburg JL100 odd numbered letter E keys In-Reply-To: <0212a20a1b78a7fb77f5726a191aa3f5@inebraska.com> References: <0212a20a1b78a7fb77f5726a191aa3f5@inebraska.com> Message-ID: <4A8A2D08.8000001@west.net> Dana wrote: > I've almost got this box completely working, but still am having > problems with letter E-1, 3, 5, 7, and 9 keys not selecting. The pins > are fired when you push the keys, but the contact block is going right > by these pins. I have tried wiggling these pins back and forth, > cleaning the 27 pin selection plug on the redceiver and spraying it as > well as the receptacle with contact spray and sliding the plug in and > out. I have also checked for disconnected wires. Suggestions would be > greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dana For a selection to work, two things have to happen. The pin must be grounded and the contact on the contact block must touch the pin. From idle, does selecting an E-1, 3, 5, 7, 9 cause the mechanism to start scanning? If so, that verifies that the pin is grounded. If not, then the pinbank needs to be overhauled and cleaned such that making those selections activates the play control relay and starts the mech scanning. Next verify that the pin contacts the contact block. Make several odd selections. Have soeone hold the Play-Off-Scan switch in the Scan position and closely observe the underside of the contact block. Do yo see the spring-loaded contact bump every time it hits a selection? Does it bump on the missing selections? Last, take the mech out and remove the pinbank from the machine. With a straightedge, make sure that the pins for the bad selections move as far as the good ones. Is the phenolic spacer on the bottom misaligned? Last, check the lower rails in which the contact block rides. Are they warped or bent in the vicinity of the bad selections? Have the contact block fingers that ride in the rails been filed down or worn so that it can sit too low such that the contcts miss the pins? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Aug 17 22:26:43 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Mon Aug 17 22:46:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <463730.10441.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004201ca1fc4$795a90f0$6c0fb2d0$@net> With all the chatter regarding all the royalty companies....got me a little scared. I have been asked by my church, if I could bring a juke or two to support an auction fund raiser that is held each year for the Christian school that our church operates. Neither if these jukes are part of the auction and the coin gathered will be donated to the school. What do the experts think? Thanks. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Glen Pitts Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:28 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. ASCAP is not the main problem. It's RIAA. When music is played anywhere, RIAA, ASCAP, BMI and SESAC get their piece of the play profit. Even music played in restrooms is not free. Technically, playing loud music from your vehicle is against ASCAP rules, without paying for it. That's considered public performance. No, I'm not joking. Those people are serious as death and will file suit against anyone; even kids. Juke owners are required to pay per play, just like a radio station. ----- Original Message ----- From: "leo valk" To: "helpdesk juukebox" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. Ron, you can even smell 'm apart. Leo > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:30:36 -0700 > From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > I thought that I was the "only one"--but I can taste it if it's Pepsi vs > Coke. Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 8/17/09, leo valk wrote: > > From: leo valk > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > To: "helpdesk juukebox" > Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 4:03 PM > > > Jay, in spite of going a little of topic here: I'm happy to hear the Coca > Cola reps > > visit restaurants to check on what's served. Me for one, would not accept > Pepsi > > instead of "Coke". To sweet and gives me belly aches. Therefore I actually > always > > ask up front if they serve "the real thing". So personally I find such an > approach > > by Coca Cola not to be "over-the-top". > > > > regards, Leo > > > > > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:29:39 -0700 > > From: jay@west.net > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > > > > Does ASCAP just randomly go around visiting bars and other typical > > jukebox locations and inspect every disk and art book? On something > > like the NSM CD jukes that keep the CDs in stacks they would have to > > play a song from each disk to observe its label. This could get > > expensive and time-consuming. What about jukes with no visible > > mechanism? > > > > I've heard stories about Coca-Cola sending reps to visit restaurants and > > order a "Coke". If the owners serve Pepsi they get hassled. Always > > thought that kind of thing was urban legend. This seems really > > over-the-top. > > > > -- > > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > > > > > Ron Rich wrote: > > > Jay, > > > Title strips are not considered "original artwork", but the "cover > > > art" (booklet) as displayed in most CD phonographs, is. I got in a > > > tuff with ASCAP over "Pink Floyd" --"the Wall". It is a 2 CD package, > > > so I had no "artwork" for the 2nd CD. I color copied the artwork from > > > the 1st CD booklet, and set it right along side the original. They > > > finally agreed that since I had both original discs in the phono, side > > > by side, that it was ok to use the copy--however, if ever I removed > > > one of the discs, I was required to also remove that copied artwork-- > > > > Well of course. If you remove one of the original disks you would > > obviously want to remove the artwork as it wouldn't match whatever disk > > you put into the empty slot. > > > > > they can be "nasty" in this part of the woods !! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _________________________________________________________________ > What goes online, stays online Check the daily blob for the latest on > what's happening around the web > http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx_________________________________ ______________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area Click Here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdating%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau% 2Fsearch%2Fsearch%2Easpx%3Fexec%3Dgo%26tp%3Dq%26gc%3D2%26tr%3D1%26lage%3D18% 26uage%3D55%26cl%3D14%26sl%3D0%26dist%3D50%26po%3D1%26do%3D2%26trackingid%3D 1046138%26r2s%3D1&_t=773166090&_r=Hotmail_Endtext&_m=EXT____________________ ___________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2306 - Release Date: 08/17/09 06:08:00 From rellis2007 at aol.com Tue Aug 18 03:39:19 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 18 04:37:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485 In-Reply-To: <003501ca1f81$c3c54c90$6101a8c0@Dirksen> References: <8CBEC881D9B1652-DE8-48B5@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com><8BA9B4462B4D4266AF992DE2E753974C@chris545b2a181><8CBED53267EF0E0-E74-400A@FWM-D06.sysops.aol.com> <003501ca1f81$c3c54c90$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <8CBEE07463A8C0A-13EC-20FB@WEBMAIL-DZ06.sysops.aol.com> Jim this is true but the photo shows the contact block right undred the caruosel, but their is no way, that can happen. I just wanted to point that out. doc -----Original Message----- From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 4:29 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485 Doc- you are misunderstanding the maunal. You are supposed to bring the carousel "home" just to get the contact block (or "carraige" as Rockola calls it) close to a postion where you can remove it from the pinbank. There are two screws and a metal segment you must remove from the pinbank, and then the contact block will slide out. These are located close to the 2 o'clock position. You will have to turn the motor by hand to move the carousel into the exact position. Good luck,? ? Jim? ----- Original Message ----- From: ? To: ? Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:09 AM? Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485? ? >? > Chris? >? >? >? > in the manual, it said to aline the carousel in it's home position, and to > aline the orbitor under it. the orbitor normal positino is about 2 > oclock,?that can not be done. they even say to do this turn the end of the > drive motor it will aline?this can not be done as they both are driven and > travel together.? >? >? >? > doc? >? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: chris tanner ? > To: Jukebox mailing list ? > Sent: Sun, Aug 16, 2009 11:28 am? > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1485? >? >? >? > I have removed and replaced the unit but have not cleaned the pin > assembly. I followed the instructions in the manual. 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Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From amej at ix.netcom.com Mon Aug 17 18:17:58 2009 From: amej at ix.netcom.com (Dick Habegger) Date: Tue Aug 18 04:37:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Source for Rowe Amplifier repair Message-ID: <4A8A0146.6080101@ix.netcom.com> Hi All, I hate to admit it, but I am over my head on repairing my Rowe R-74 Jukebox amplifier. It seems that I clear up one problem and others happen. I got around substituting transistors and purchasing output transistors. But, the protection fuses just blow! I'd like to blame it on a "no load" condition, but the muting circuit does that during a mute cycle. I'd like to see this jukebox working correctly before of my demise. I need a reference to someone who will, and can, repair my amplifier. It is a R-2179A, 64W Stereo Amplifier. Is there anyone out there? Are there any parted out amps available? I have bypassed the internal amplifier with my own phono amp. The sound is great! Now, on to repairing my Rock-Ola 490. I will see what I can do with this one; hopefully, better. Which reminds me: which model is better, the Rowe R-74, or the RO 490? Dick Habegger Phelan, CA From rellis2007 at aol.com Tue Aug 18 03:54:32 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 18 04:37:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] removel of pins to clean Message-ID: <8CBEE0966B74B01-13EC-2193@WEBMAIL-DZ06.sysops.aol.com> Ron: I have the third type, do You remove the two very small c types clips on each bank of pins?to gain access to clean the pins? I know their is springs under them, will the go flying? what is the proper way to remove them for cleaning? doc From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Tue Aug 18 05:54:12 2009 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Tue Aug 18 08:50:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] removel of pins to clean In-Reply-To: <8CBEE0966B74B01-13EC-2193@WEBMAIL-DZ06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBEE0966B74B01-13EC-2193@WEBMAIL-DZ06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <224623.79708.qm@web86702.mail.ird.yahoo.com> There is an article on Oliver Stamann's site on stripping down a 1488 drum (written by one of his customers). http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/FAQ-RO/RO1488-Selector.pdf I know that your one is a 1485 and the instructions are in German but the pictures (a picture says 1,000 words?) will give you a decent flavour of what is involved in taking one of these apart (and also how to put it back together again!), I believe. Norman. ________________________________ From: "rellis2007@aol.com" To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009 11:54:32 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] removel of pins to clean Ron: I have the third type, do You remove the two very small c types clips on each bank of pins?to gain access to clean the pins? I know their is springs under them, will the go flying? what is the proper way to remove them for cleaning? doc _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bobfav at cox.net Tue Aug 18 07:20:28 2009 From: bobfav at cox.net (bobfav@cox.net) Date: Tue Aug 18 08:50:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Channel 1+2 Speakers In-Reply-To: <20090817190004.53BF1AB0C6@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <20090818102028.Y1ODN.18885.imail@eastrmwml36> Hi All In cleaning out my garage, I found a pair of the large wood corner speakers that say Seeburg Stereo Channel 1 and channel 2. The emblems and grill cloth look very good, cases are ok. With a touch up they will be ready to go. I chose them to keep as the best out of a pile of a dozen I disposed of years ago. I posted them on Craigslist locally for $99 and the link is here http://providence.craigslist.org/ele/1304581705.html Or just search Seeburg under the Rhode Island Craigslist. I dont even know what year they are, and havent bothered to look them up. If anybody wants them or can comment as to year or value, please let me know. Thanks ' Bob From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Aug 18 08:25:00 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (19k20@comcast.net) Date: Tue Aug 18 08:50:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: <004201ca1fc4$795a90f0$6c0fb2d0$@net> Message-ID: <994949260.748581250609100293.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> By the way, not looking for legal advice. Just inquiring opinions from those who might have dealt with these royalty companies and RIAA before. Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ssg Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:26:43 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. With all the chatter regarding all the royalty companies....got me a little scared. I have been asked by my church, if I could bring a juke or two to support an auction fund raiser that is held each year for the Christian school that our church operates. Neither if these jukes are part of the auction and the coin gathered will be donated to the school. What do the experts think? Thanks. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Glen Pitts Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:28 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. ASCAP is not the main problem. It's RIAA. When music is played anywhere, RIAA, ASCAP, BMI and SESAC get their piece of the play profit. Even music played in restrooms is not free. Technically, playing loud music from your vehicle is against ASCAP rules, without paying for it. That's considered public performance. No, I'm not joking. Those people are serious as death and will file suit against anyone; even kids. Juke owners are required to pay per play, just like a radio station. ----- Original Message ----- From: "leo valk" To: "helpdesk juukebox" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. Ron, you can even smell 'm apart. Leo > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:30:36 -0700 > From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > I thought that I was the "only one"--but I can taste it if it's Pepsi vs > Coke. Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 8/17/09, leo valk wrote: > > From: leo valk > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > To: "helpdesk juukebox" > Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 4:03 PM > > > Jay, in spite of going a little of topic here: I'm happy to hear the Coca > Cola reps > > visit restaurants to check on what's served. Me for one, would not accept > Pepsi > > instead of "Coke". To sweet and gives me belly aches. Therefore I actually > always > > ask up front if they serve "the real thing". So personally I find such an > approach > > by Coca Cola not to be "over-the-top". > > > > regards, Leo > > > > > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:29:39 -0700 > > From: jay@west.net > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > > > > Does ASCAP just randomly go around visiting bars and other typical > > jukebox locations and inspect every disk and art book? On something > > like the NSM CD jukes that keep the CDs in stacks they would have to > > play a song from each disk to observe its label. This could get > > expensive and time-consuming. What about jukes with no visible > > mechanism? > > > > I've heard stories about Coca-Cola sending reps to visit restaurants and > > order a "Coke". If the owners serve Pepsi they get hassled. Always > > thought that kind of thing was urban legend. This seems really > > over-the-top. > > > > -- > > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > > > > > Ron Rich wrote: > > > Jay, > > > Title strips are not considered "original artwork", but the "cover > > > art" (booklet) as displayed in most CD phonographs, is. I got in a > > > tuff with ASCAP over "Pink Floyd" --"the Wall". It is a 2 CD package, > > > so I had no "artwork" for the 2nd CD. I color copied the artwork from > > > the 1st CD booklet, and set it right along side the original. They > > > finally agreed that since I had both original discs in the phono, side > > > by side, that it was ok to use the copy--however, if ever I removed > > > one of the discs, I was required to also remove that copied artwork-- > > > > Well of course. If you remove one of the original disks you would > > obviously want to remove the artwork as it wouldn't match whatever disk > > you put into the empty slot. > > > > > they can be "nasty" in this part of the woods !! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _________________________________________________________________ > What goes online, stays online Check the daily blob for the latest on > what's happening around the web > http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx_________________________________ ______________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area Click Here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdating%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau% 2Fsearch%2Fsearch%2Easpx%3Fexec%3Dgo%26tp%3Dq%26gc%3D2%26tr%3D1%26lage%3D18% 26uage%3D55%26cl%3D14%26sl%3D0%26dist%3D50%26po%3D1%26do%3D2%26trackingid%3D 1046138%26r2s%3D1&_t=773166090&_r=Hotmail_Endtext&_m=EXT____________________ ___________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2306 - Release Date: 08/17/09 06:08:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 08:26:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 18 08:50:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: <004201ca1fc4$795a90f0$6c0fb2d0$@net> Message-ID: <18547.95768.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rich, Go for it--they have about as good a chance of catching a "one time" deal as a snowball in--well, you know--UNLESS,? someone "has it in for you"--- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/17/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 10:26 PM With all the chatter regarding all the royalty companies....got me a little scared. I have been asked by my church, if I could bring a juke or two to support an auction fund raiser that is held each year for the Christian school that our church operates. Neither if these jukes are part of the auction and the coin gathered will be donated to the school. What do the experts think? Thanks. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Glen Pitts Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:28 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. ASCAP is not the main problem.? It's RIAA.? When music is played anywhere, RIAA, ASCAP, BMI and SESAC get their piece of the play profit.? Even music played in restrooms is not free.? Technically, playing loud music from your vehicle is against ASCAP rules, without paying for it.? That's considered public performance.? No, I'm not joking.? Those people are serious as death and will file suit against anyone; even kids.? Juke owners are required to pay per play, just like a radio station. ----- Original Message ----- From: "leo valk" To: "helpdesk juukebox" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. Ron, you can even smell 'm apart. Leo > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:30:36 -0700 > From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > I thought that I was the "only one"--but I can taste it if it's Pepsi vs > Coke. Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 8/17/09, leo valk wrote: > > From: leo valk > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > To: "helpdesk juukebox" > Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 4:03 PM > > > Jay, in spite of going a little of topic here: I'm happy to hear the Coca > Cola reps > > visit restaurants to check on what's served. Me for one, would not accept > Pepsi > > instead of "Coke". To sweet and gives me belly aches. Therefore I actually > always > > ask up front if they serve "the real thing". So personally I find such an > approach > > by Coca Cola not to be "over-the-top". > > > > regards, Leo > > > > > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:29:39 -0700 > > From: jay@west.net > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > > > > Does ASCAP just randomly go around visiting bars and other typical > > jukebox locations and inspect every disk and art book? On something > > like the NSM CD jukes that keep the CDs in stacks they would have to > > play a song from each disk to observe its label. This could get > > expensive and time-consuming. What about jukes with no visible > > mechanism? > > > > I've heard stories about Coca-Cola sending reps to visit restaurants and > > order a "Coke". If the owners serve Pepsi they get hassled. Always > > thought that kind of thing was urban legend. This seems really > > over-the-top. > > > > -- > > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > > > > > Ron Rich wrote: > > > Jay, > > > Title strips are not considered "original artwork", but the "cover > > > art" (booklet) as displayed in most CD phonographs, is. I got in a > > > tuff with ASCAP over "Pink Floyd" --"the Wall". It is a 2 CD package, > > > so I had no "artwork" for the 2nd CD. I color copied the artwork from > > > the 1st CD booklet, and set it right along side the original. They > > > finally agreed that since I had both original discs in the phono, side > > > by side, that it was ok to use the copy--however, if ever I removed > > > one of the discs, I was required to also remove that copied artwork-- > > > > Well of course. If you remove one of the original disks you would > > obviously want to remove the artwork as it wouldn't match whatever disk > > you put into the empty slot. > > > > > they can be "nasty" in this part of the woods !! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _________________________________________________________________ > What goes online, stays online Check the daily blob for the latest on > what's happening around the web > http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx_________________________________ ______________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area Click Here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdating%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau% 2Fsearch%2Fsearch%2Easpx%3Fexec%3Dgo%26tp%3Dq%26gc%3D2%26tr%3D1%26lage%3D18% 26uage%3D55%26cl%3D14%26sl%3D0%26dist%3D50%26po%3D1%26do%3D2%26trackingid%3D 1046138%26r2s%3D1&_t=773166090&_r=Hotmail_Endtext&_m=EXT____________________ ___________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2306 - Release Date: 08/17/09 06:08:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 08:49:59 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 18 10:22:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] removel of pins to clean In-Reply-To: <8CBEE0966B74B01-13EC-2193@WEBMAIL-DZ06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <853917.45372.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Doc, If you have the third type, there should be no need to clean them ? I have "opened" the bank in order to replace the broken pins, but it's been years--I remember that you only want to remove one "side", but I can't recall which one. I would advise you to purchase "Dr" Harold Hagen's, "Rock-Ola Reference Book" from Always Jukin Magazine.????? (www.alwaysjukin.com ) Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/18/09, rellis2007@aol.com wrote: From: rellis2007@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] removel of pins to clean To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:54 AM Ron: I have the third type, do You remove the two very small c types clips on each bank of pins?to gain access to clean the pins? I know their is springs under them, will the go flying? what is the proper way to remove them for cleaning? doc _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 08:59:52 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Aug 18 10:22:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] trouble after initializing In-Reply-To: <4A88C633.1090101@west.net> Message-ID: <837642.89999.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Along those lines, does anyone know if there were different > 78-RPM and early 45-RPM records sold specifically for > jukebox and perhaps broadcast use in the 1950s? A lot > of my 78s and some original 45s have printing around the > edge of the label reading: > > "Licensed by Mfr. only for non-commercial use on > phonographs in homes. Mfr. & original purchaser have > agreed this record shall not be resold or used for any other > purpose." This had to do with what type of royalties were paid to the musicians' unions through BMI and ASCAP. The companies paid less for home-use recordings. Since operators bought their records wholesale, and radio stations usually got theirs for free, it wasn't typically an issue. But there was a lof of labor strife in the recording industry in the period sorrounding WWII, so it's not surprising that record companies would be extra careful. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 09:14:29 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Aug 18 10:22:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More 78 discussion In-Reply-To: <3154d3690901251345o3ca1d6b0k4dd0c38a8ffedbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42865.25143.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Jens Hultgren wrote: > V.discs were also about the only records released during > the Petrillo > recording ban 1942-44. They are collectible, but not > necessarily rare. And they are still, technically, the property of the Pentagon. Every once in a while you hear a story of a seller on Ebay or other venues getting harassed by over-eager Pentagon bureaucrats attempting to enforce the "destroy after use" clause of the license. Calmer heads usually prevail. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Aug 18 10:48:59 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Aug 18 11:20:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:Special Issue Jukebox Records Message-ID: <20090818.134859.13194.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Jay: This is an answer I remember hearing when I asked my boss a similar question 40+ years ago. Placement of a juke on a restaurant floor was apparently a negotiation. The company I worked for used many of the business techiques discussed here---- They usually put the newest, best machines in high-earning locations, frequently swapped out jukes in locations in order to give things a fresh look, and bounced their oldest machies down to their slowest-earning locations. I wasn't involved in the sales side of the business so I'm not sure how such decisions were made. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to replace your roof - modern technology. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYW0RpexSZljGJLkj4mSow1rEkltZz7NO5TClkUYJpsxx8jW2FuB1G/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Aug 18 11:53:02 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Aug 18 12:23:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. Message-ID: <20090818.145302.21143.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> It is the ASCAP/BMI/SESAC organization that enforces the collection of public performance fees for copywritten music works. It seems to be the RIAA that is pursuing individuals for getting/distributing music files without paying for them.I've never had to deal with ASCAP regarding any jukebox issue. I only restore,repair and resell old jukes. I'm not an operator. My personal experience with the first group as a background music systems contractor is that they look for commercial situations (where music is being played that contributes to the establishment making money) that are not paying public performance fees for the use of music. A common example I've seen are restaurants and stores that are playing a FM music radio station over their sound system. Playing the radio is considered OK if it's done for a special event (i.e. listening to a world Series game), but not if the radio is being used as a general background music source. The location should be using one of the approved commercial music delivery services (that pay ASCAP fees) In the most technical sense, donating the use of one of your jukes loaded with your records for entertainment at a church bazaar is a violation of public performance rules. Are the ASCAP police going to cover such an event? Not very likely. If they did, who would they prosecute? A church group trying to raise some funds (from your coinbox) for a good cause? This would net ASCAP a lot of bad press, which they try to avoid. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Find precision scales that can weigh anything. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwFI2Gvib2X7cFgb7CosHxzrNQdL7qBQ8cxSSN1QHd7qAU4xf5Mc/ From jay at west.net Tue Aug 18 12:40:06 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Aug 18 12:41:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: <004201ca1fc4$795a90f0$6c0fb2d0$@net> References: <463730.10441.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <004201ca1fc4$795a90f0$6c0fb2d0$@net> Message-ID: <4A8B0396.1010503@west.net> Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > With all the chatter regarding all the royalty companies....got me a little > scared. I have been asked by my church, if I could bring a juke or two to > support an auction fund raiser that is held each year for the Christian > school that our church operates. Neither if these jukes are part of the > auction and the coin gathered will be donated to the school. > > What do the experts think? I'm not a lawyer so this is just a personal opinion. If they want to get nasty, the church auction is probably considered a public performance. ANY recorded music or even having the church choir sing popular songs rather than public domain hymns could have them reaching into your pockets. They can even get you for singing, "Happy Birthday To You" in a public place. http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/birthday.asp So, to continue with the birthday analogy, a coin-operated jukebox at a public event is just icing on the cake if they show up. Considering the length of the auction and the amount of revenue you're likely to get from the coin box, I'd set them on free play and ask people to donate a buck or two to the church if they appreciate the jukeboxes. "Jukeboxes don't require coins. Please donate a dollar or two if you like having them here." Note the wording, "if you like having them here" instead of "if you like the music" is deliberate. And having them on free play means that if ASCAP does show up, it's each button-pusher that's guilty, not you. I think the likelihood of any problems is on the order of having the jukebox hit by a meteor, but now that you've broadcast your intentions on the Internet... -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From chris.naylor at dsl.pipex.com Tue Aug 18 12:41:03 2009 From: chris.naylor at dsl.pipex.com (Chris Naylor) Date: Tue Aug 18 12:58:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] PCPlaybox2 software Message-ID: <85EEA0F314394500A73346B0624FC85B@ChrisPC> Hi, I recently bought a PCPlaybox2 adapter to use with my Seeburg 3W1 wallbox and it runs fine on an old laptop I have that is running Windows XP, I would ideally like to be able to run it on my main computer and wondered if anyone has managed to get the software to run with a computer running Vista? Or perhaps there is some other software that will work? Hoping someone can help, Thanks, Chris. From jay at west.net Tue Aug 18 13:19:58 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Aug 18 13:21:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] PCPlaybox2 software In-Reply-To: <85EEA0F314394500A73346B0624FC85B@ChrisPC> References: <85EEA0F314394500A73346B0624FC85B@ChrisPC> Message-ID: <4A8B0CEE.4090401@west.net> Chris Naylor wrote: > Hi, > > I recently bought a PCPlaybox2 adapter to use with my Seeburg 3W1 wallbox > and it runs fine on an old laptop I have that is running Windows XP, > > I would ideally like to be able to run it on my main computer and wondered > if anyone has managed to get the software to run with a computer running > Vista? Have you contacted the vendor of the software and asked for a workaround or update? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From chris.naylor at dsl.pipex.com Tue Aug 18 13:38:37 2009 From: chris.naylor at dsl.pipex.com (Chris Naylor) Date: Tue Aug 18 13:49:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re:PCPlaybox2 software Message-ID: <8706B0DEFFC44C6CB535E4BC73B9F69C@ChrisPC> Hi Jay, Yes I called the vendor and there is not a Vista version available. But the guy I spoke said he will look into it for me... But in the meantime I wondered if anyone had managed to do it. Chris. Have you contacted the vendor of the software and asked for a workaround or update? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay at impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 13:47:13 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Aug 18 13:49:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: <20090818.145302.21143.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <452442.56103.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 8/18/09, James Alexander wrote: > A common example I've > seen are restaurants and stores that are playing a FM music > radio station over their sound > system. Playing the radio is considered OK > if it's done for a special event (i.e. listening to a world > Series game), but not if the radio is being used as a > general background music source. The location should > be using one of the approved commercial music delivery > services (that pay ASCAP fees) It's more restrictive than that. At a company I used to work for (Tacoma Screw Products - people in the Northwest will know it) we were told that we could not play radio music in the stores or on hold. OK, that made sense. But, we were also told that the guys in the warehouse could not play radios at their workstations because other employees could hear it. Apparently a Union Goon :-) came into willcall and heard a radio playing. The company hires high school and college age folks to "break kegs", that is, take nuts and bolts out of kegs and repackage them in customer friendly bags or boxes of 25, 50, 100, etc. It's rather boring work, so it helps to have a radio at the packaging stations. Nothin' doin'. And you can't wear (in those days) Walkman headphones in an environment with forks lifts and other machinery moving around. So, no radios. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 15:01:52 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 18 15:05:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: <20090818.145302.21143.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <666857.70672.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Interesting-- have never had any dealings with RIAA here. It's ALWAYS an Ass-cap "person" here, looking for the things you describe--however a baseball game here will bring them down on you here, REAL fast, as the commercials contain music ! Also, games are "--copyrighted by--Major League Baseball,--and are not intended for public performance--" Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/18/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 11:53 AM It is the ASCAP/BMI/SESAC organization that enforces the collection of public performance fees for copywritten music works.? It seems to be the RIAA that is pursuing individuals for getting/distributing music files without paying for them.I've never had to deal with ASCAP regarding any jukebox issue.???I only restore,repair and resell old jukes. I'm not an operator. My personal experience with the first group as a background music systems contractor is that they? look for commercial situations (where music is being played that contributes to the establishment making money) that? are not paying public performance fees for the use of music.? ???A common example? I've seen are restaurants and stores that are playing a FM music radio station over their sound system.???Playing the radio is considered OK if it's done for a special event (i.e. listening to a world Series game), but not if the radio is being used as a general background music source.? The location should be using one of the approved commercial music delivery services? (that pay ASCAP fees) In the most technical sense, donating the use of one of your jukes loaded with your records for entertainment at a church bazaar is a violation of public performance rules.???Are the ASCAP police going to cover such an event?? Not very likely.? ? If they did, who would they prosecute????A church group trying to raise some funds (from your coinbox) for a good cause?? ? ? This would net ASCAP a lot of bad press, which they try to avoid. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Find precision scales that can weigh anything. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwFI2Gvib2X7cFgb7CosHxzrNQdL7qBQ8cxSSN1QHd7qAU4xf5Mc/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 15:39:05 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 18 15:41:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: <4A8B0396.1010503@west.net> Message-ID: <621721.55926.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, Rich and All, I am not now, will not, nor have I ever "offered legal advise".? It is my understanding from reading my JLO contract some time ago, that a "Jukebox" is defined as a devise that reproduces audio via an electro/mechanical system (thus the "Downloaders are NOT jukeboxes), and also must charge a fee per play. Therefore, it is not OK to operate a "Jukebox" on "free play". It is my understanding that if you do so, it is no longer covered under the JLO agreement and becomes a devise that must be covered separately. I also think that it is the responsibility of the "owner" of the machine, at all times, to be sure it's not in violation of laws---BTW, JLO (used to?) have a toll free number either 800-955, or 995-juke, if anyone wishes to call and axked----- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 12:40 PM Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > With all the chatter regarding all the royalty companies....got me a little > scared. I have been asked by my church, if I could bring a juke or two to > support an auction fund raiser that is held each year for the Christian > school that our church operates. Neither if these jukes are part of the > auction and the coin gathered will be donated to the school. > > What do the experts think? I'm not a lawyer so this is just a personal opinion. If they want to get nasty, the church auction is probably considered a public performance.? ANY recorded music or even having the church choir sing popular songs rather than public domain hymns could have them reaching into your pockets. They can even get you for singing, "Happy Birthday To You" in a public place.? http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/birthday.asp So, to continue with the birthday analogy, a coin-operated jukebox at a public event is just icing on the cake if they show up. Considering the length of the auction and the amount of revenue you're likely to get from the coin box, I'd set them on free play and ask people to donate a buck or two to the church if they appreciate the jukeboxes. "Jukeboxes don't require coins.? Please donate a dollar or two if you like having them here." Note the wording, "if you like having them here" instead of "if you like the music" is deliberate. And having them on free play means that if ASCAP does show up, it's each button-pusher that's guilty, not you. I think the likelihood of any problems is on the order of having the jukebox hit by a meteor, but now that you've broadcast your intentions on the Internet... -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Tue Aug 18 15:57:51 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Aug 18 16:31:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: <621721.55926.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <621721.55926.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A8B31EF.1000409@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Jay, Rich and All, > I am not now, will not, nor have I ever "offered legal advise". It is my understanding from reading my JLO contract some time ago, that a "Jukebox" is defined as a devise that reproduces audio via an electro/mechanical system (thus the "Downloaders are NOT jukeboxes), and also must charge a fee per play. Therefore, it is not OK to operate a "Jukebox" on "free play". It is my understanding that if you do so, it is no longer covered under the JLO agreement and becomes a devise that must be covered separately. > I also think that it is the responsibility of the "owner" of the machine, at all times, to be sure it's not in violation of laws---BTW, JLO (used to?) have a toll free number either 800-955, or 995-juke, if anyone wishes to call and axked----- Ron Rich That was kind of my point. By putting it on free play, it is no longer a "Jukebox" and therefore no longer needs a license and all of the other stuff (local taxes, etc.) that goes with operating a "Jukebox" at a public venue. On free play it's the equivalent of leaving a record player plugged in with a stack of records nearby. People are free to play a record if they wish to do so. No money changes hands in exchange for the performance of music. The average person browsing the goods at a church auction who plays a record on a free-play "Machine that if it took coins would be a jukebox" probably doesn't know how to spell ASCAP, or for that matter care. And ASCAP is going to care less about the box if it is free-play. If it's on coin, then they're going to think that the owner is in the business of renting it out and things could get ugly. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Tue Aug 18 16:15:50 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Tue Aug 18 16:31:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. Message-ID: Let's either move on or you guys can email each other on this topic. Thank you! ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue Aug 18 18:39:05 2009 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. Jay, Rich and All, I am not now, will not, nor have I ever "offered legal advise".? It is my understanding from reading my JLO contract some time ago, that a "Jukebox" is defined as a devise that reproduces audio via an electro/mechanical system (thus the "Downloaders are NOT jukeboxes), and also must charge a fee per play. Therefore, it is not OK to operate a "Jukebox" on "free play". It is my understanding that if you do so, it is no longer covered under the JLO agreement and becomes a devise that must be covered separately. I also think that it is the responsibility of the "owner" of the machine, at all times, to be sure it's not in violation of laws---BTW, JLO (used to?) have a toll free number either 800-955, or 995-juke, if anyone wishes to call and axked----- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 12:40 PM Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > With all the chatter regarding all the royalty companies....got me a little > scared. I have been asked by my church, if I could bring a juke or two to > support an auction fund raiser that is held each year for the Christian > school that our church operates. Neither if these jukes are part of the > auction and the coin gathered will be donated to the school. > > What do the experts think? I'm not a lawyer so this is just a personal opinion. If they want to get nasty, the church auction is probably considered a public performance.? ANY recorded music or even having the church choir sing popular songs rather than public domain hymns could have them reaching into your pockets. They can even get you for singing, "Happy Birthday To You" in a public place.? http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/birthday.asp So, to continue with the birthday analogy, a coin-operated jukebox at a public event is just icing on the cake if they show up. Considering the length of the auction and the amount of revenue you're likely to get from the coin box, I'd set them on free play and ask people to donate a buck or two to the church if they appreciate the jukeboxes. "Jukeboxes don't require coins.? Please donate a dollar or two if you like having them here." Note the wording, "if you like having them here" instead of "if you like the music" is deliberate. And having them on free play means that if ASCAP does show up, it's each button-pusher that's guilty, not you. I think the likelihood of any problems is on the order of having the jukebox hit by a meteor, but now that you've broadcast your intentions on the Internet... -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Tue Aug 18 16:55:11 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 18 17:59:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Jukebox Repair Class on Ebay Message-ID: There's a guy(Ohio Seeburg Repair) selling a day long class to learn from him. I'm assuming the three people he's talking about are himself,Ron Rich and the one who passed on obviously was Tony Miller. Item no. 190329331806 Wonder what he's talking about when he says Tormat repair"Our way"? I believe him when he says he knows things not in books because Ron gives us little tidbits of his knowledge for free on here that haven't made it to a book. Ron should write another book...lol.At least it would be affordable and everyone interested could buy one. I'm not interested in taking this guy's course(We have the most knowledgeable Seeburg guy on the planet right here on our list) but I wish Rockola Charlie had offered something similar. Rockola Charlie really did have a ton of knowledge on Rockolas that died with him. J.C. From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Tue Aug 18 17:12:05 2009 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David G..) Date: Tue Aug 18 17:59:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Can anybody id this jukebox Message-ID: Stumbled across photo in Photo Bucket. Multiphon ?? ic. Huge. Very strange indeed. http://media.photobucket.com/image/jukebox/mitchrmp/Har-Ber%20Museum/JukeBox.jpg?o=6 David G. From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Aug 18 17:25:13 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue Aug 18 17:59:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006101ca2063$855baf70$90130e50$@net> Ya know, I tried really hard to bite my tongue when all the MJ in fighting was going on, but now I REALLY don?t understand. Why, when someone gets tired of a thread, do they post stuff like Alan did. Last I thought. This was a jukebox list. I enjoy all threads pertaining to the history, problems, operator routes.....everything associated with the business.....even the bad (ASACAP/BMI....ect) Bottom line...if you don?t like the thread. DELETE IT. Keep in mind, Jay said, and I quote from his 8/5, 02:08 AM email; " This is not just a technical list. It isn't just a swap board. It is what the 600-plus of you want to make of it, as long as it remains collegial and friendly and somewhat related to coin-operated music machines..." I think this thread fits his vision. I am not trying to start another 2 week "flame" of a topic, but we should all respect each others positions here. That?s all I will say about it. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Alan Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:16 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. Let's either move on or you guys can email each other on this topic. Thank you! ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue Aug 18 18:39:05 2009 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. Jay, Rich and All, I am not now, will not, nor have I ever "offered legal advise". It is my understanding from reading my JLO contract some time ago, that a "Jukebox" is defined as a devise that reproduces audio via an electro/mechanical system (thus the "Downloaders are NOT jukeboxes), and also must charge a fee per play. Therefore, it is not OK to operate a "Jukebox" on "free play". It is my understanding that if you do so, it is no longer covered under the JLO agreement and becomes a devise that must be covered separately. I also think that it is the responsibility of the "owner" of the machine, at all times, to be sure it's not in violation of laws---BTW, JLO (used to?) have a toll free number either 800-955, or 995-juke, if anyone wishes to call and axked----- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 12:40 PM Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > With all the chatter regarding all the royalty companies....got me a > little scared. I have been asked by my church, if I could bring a juke > or two to support an auction fund raiser that is held each year for > the Christian school that our church operates. Neither if these jukes > are part of the auction and the coin gathered will be donated to the school. > > What do the experts think? I'm not a lawyer so this is just a personal opinion. If they want to get nasty, the church auction is probably considered a public performance. ANY recorded music or even having the church choir sing popular songs rather than public domain hymns could have them reaching into your pockets. They can even get you for singing, "Happy Birthday To You" in a public place. http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/birthday.asp So, to continue with the birthday analogy, a coin-operated jukebox at a public event is just icing on the cake if they show up. Considering the length of the auction and the amount of revenue you're likely to get from the coin box, I'd set them on free play and ask people to donate a buck or two to the church if they appreciate the jukeboxes. "Jukeboxes don't require coins. Please donate a dollar or two if you like having them here." Note the wording, "if you like having them here" instead of "if you like the music" is deliberate. And having them on free play means that if ASCAP does show up, it's each button-pusher that's guilty, not you. I think the likelihood of any problems is on the order of having the jukebox hit by a meteor, but now that you've broadcast your intentions on the Internet... -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2306 - Release Date: 08/18/09 06:03:00 From kjq45 at att.net Tue Aug 18 17:27:48 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Tue Aug 18 17:59:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. References: <463730.10441.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <004201ca1fc4$795a90f0$6c0fb2d0$@net> Message-ID: If nobody tells and it's unlikely a church member would say anything, I would just go ahead and do it. Technically, RIAA and all the others don't care anything about what you do with the money as long as they get their part. Non profit LP radio stations pay a huge fee for air play and pay a second set of fees to stream. It's a racket. If it makes you feel any better, RIAA has lost almost every suit they have filed. They appear to be backing off and regrouping. Legislation is being heard presently concerning music play rates. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ssg Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:26 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > With all the chatter regarding all the royalty companies....got me a > little > scared. I have been asked by my church, if I could bring a juke or two to > support an auction fund raiser that is held each year for the Christian > school that our church operates. Neither if these jukes are part of the > auction and the coin gathered will be donated to the school. > > What do the experts think? > > Thanks. > > Rich > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Glen Pitts > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:28 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > > ASCAP is not the main problem. It's RIAA. When music is played anywhere, > RIAA, ASCAP, BMI and SESAC get their piece of the play profit. Even music > played in restrooms is not free. Technically, playing loud music from > your > vehicle is against ASCAP rules, without paying for it. That's considered > public performance. No, I'm not joking. Those people are serious as > death > and will file suit against anyone; even kids. Juke owners are required to > pay per play, just like a radio station. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "leo valk" > To: "helpdesk juukebox" > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:36 PM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. > > > > Ron, you can even smell 'm apart. > > > > Leo > >> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:30:36 -0700 >> From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com >> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> >> I thought that I was the "only one"--but I can taste it if it's Pepsi vs >> Coke. Ron Rich >> >> --- On Mon, 8/17/09, leo valk wrote: >> >> From: leo valk >> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. >> To: "helpdesk juukebox" >> Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 4:03 PM >> >> >> Jay, in spite of going a little of topic here: I'm happy to hear the Coca >> Cola reps >> >> visit restaurants to check on what's served. Me for one, would not accept >> Pepsi >> >> instead of "Coke". To sweet and gives me belly aches. Therefore I >> actually > >> always >> >> ask up front if they serve "the real thing". So personally I find such an >> approach >> >> by Coca Cola not to be "over-the-top". >> >> >> >> regards, Leo >> >> >> >> > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:29:39 -0700 >> > From: jay@west.net >> > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. >> > >> > Does ASCAP just randomly go around visiting bars and other typical >> > jukebox locations and inspect every disk and art book? On something >> > like the NSM CD jukes that keep the CDs in stacks they would have to >> > play a song from each disk to observe its label. This could get >> > expensive and time-consuming. What about jukes with no visible >> > mechanism? >> > >> > I've heard stories about Coca-Cola sending reps to visit restaurants >> > and >> > order a "Coke". If the owners serve Pepsi they get hassled. Always >> > thought that kind of thing was urban legend. This seems really >> > over-the-top. >> > >> > -- >> > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net >> > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ >> > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV >> >> >> >> > Ron Rich wrote: >> > > Jay, >> > > Title strips are not considered "original artwork", but the "cover >> > > art" (booklet) as displayed in most CD phonographs, is. I got in a >> > > tuff with ASCAP over "Pink Floyd" --"the Wall". It is a 2 CD package, >> > > so I had no "artwork" for the 2nd CD. I color copied the artwork from >> > > the 1st CD booklet, and set it right along side the original. They >> > > finally agreed that since I had both original discs in the phono, >> > > side > >> > > by side, that it was ok to use the copy--however, if ever I removed >> > > one of the discs, I was required to also remove that copied artwork-- >> > >> > Well of course. If you remove one of the original disks you would >> > obviously want to remove the artwork as it wouldn't match whatever disk >> > you put into the empty slot. >> > >> > > they can be "nasty" in this part of the woods !! >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> What goes online, stays online Check the daily blob for the latest on >> what's happening around the web >> > http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx_________________________________ > ______________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > View photos of singles in your area Click Here > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdating%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau% > 2Fsearch%2Fsearch%2Easpx%3Fexec%3Dgo%26tp%3Dq%26gc%3D2%26tr%3D1%26lage%3D18% > 26uage%3D55%26cl%3D14%26sl%3D0%26dist%3D50%26po%3D1%26do%3D2%26trackingid%3D > 1046138%26r2s%3D1&_t=773166090&_r=Hotmail_Endtext&_m=EXT____________________ > ___________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2306 - Release Date: 08/17/09 > 06:08:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Tue Aug 18 17:29:05 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Tue Aug 18 18:00:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. References: <621721.55926.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Public performance is the buzz phrase. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. Jay, Rich and All, I am not now, will not, nor have I ever "offered legal advise". It is my understanding from reading my JLO contract some time ago, that a "Jukebox" is defined as a devise that reproduces audio via an electro/mechanical system (thus the "Downloaders are NOT jukeboxes), and also must charge a fee per play. Therefore, it is not OK to operate a "Jukebox" on "free play". It is my understanding that if you do so, it is no longer covered under the JLO agreement and becomes a devise that must be covered separately. I also think that it is the responsibility of the "owner" of the machine, at all times, to be sure it's not in violation of laws---BTW, JLO (used to?) have a toll free number either 800-955, or 995-juke, if anyone wishes to call and axked----- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 12:40 PM Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > With all the chatter regarding all the royalty companies....got me a > little > scared. I have been asked by my church, if I could bring a juke or two to > support an auction fund raiser that is held each year for the Christian > school that our church operates. Neither if these jukes are part of the > auction and the coin gathered will be donated to the school. > > What do the experts think? I'm not a lawyer so this is just a personal opinion. If they want to get nasty, the church auction is probably considered a public performance. ANY recorded music or even having the church choir sing popular songs rather than public domain hymns could have them reaching into your pockets. They can even get you for singing, "Happy Birthday To You" in a public place. http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/birthday.asp So, to continue with the birthday analogy, a coin-operated jukebox at a public event is just icing on the cake if they show up. Considering the length of the auction and the amount of revenue you're likely to get from the coin box, I'd set them on free play and ask people to donate a buck or two to the church if they appreciate the jukeboxes. "Jukeboxes don't require coins. Please donate a dollar or two if you like having them here." Note the wording, "if you like having them here" instead of "if you like the music" is deliberate. And having them on free play means that if ASCAP does show up, it's each button-pusher that's guilty, not you. I think the likelihood of any problems is on the order of having the jukebox hit by a meteor, but now that you've broadcast your intentions on the Internet... -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Aug 18 17:29:19 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue Aug 18 18:00:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: <20090818.145302.21143.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090818.145302.21143.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <006201ca2064$183b7a50$48b26ef0$@net> So is the line drawn at public places for enforcement, or could they technically go after me for every song I play while driving in the car? Technically, that is a public performance, and the way I like to ROCK.....like in the 80's....sometimes share my music with everyone in listening distance of the car....especially Lick it Up by KISS......hehehehe Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:53 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. It is the ASCAP/BMI/SESAC organization that enforces the collection of public performance fees for copywritten music works. It seems to be the RIAA that is pursuing individuals for getting/distributing music files without paying for them.I've never had to deal with ASCAP regarding any jukebox issue. I only restore,repair and resell old jukes. I'm not an operator. My personal experience with the first group as a background music systems contractor is that they look for commercial situations (where music is being played that contributes to the establishment making money) that are not paying public performance fees for the use of music. A common example I've seen are restaurants and stores that are playing a FM music radio station over their sound system. Playing the radio is considered OK if it's done for a special event (i.e. listening to a world Series game), but not if the radio is being used as a general background music source. The location should be using one of the approved commercial music delivery services (that pay ASCAP fees) In the most technical sense, donating the use of one of your jukes loaded with your records for entertainment at a church bazaar is a violation of public performance rules. Are the ASCAP police going to cover such an event? Not very likely. If they did, who would they prosecute? A church group trying to raise some funds (from your coinbox) for a good cause? This would net ASCAP a lot of bad press, which they try to avoid. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Find precision scales that can weigh anything. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwFI2Gvib2X7cFgb7CosHx zrNQdL7qBQ8cxSSN1QHd7qAU4xf5Mc/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2306 - Release Date: 08/18/09 06:03:00 From kjq45 at att.net Tue Aug 18 17:37:52 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Tue Aug 18 18:00:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. References: <20090818.145302.21143.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: RIAA has attacked the most innocent of music lovers and have recieved dozens of bad presses. They don't care/ They are voltures and will suck the blood out of a 12 year old. I have been in broadcasting for decades. I know the rules and they are very strict. I thought about suggesting to RIAA that they charge a fee for those who play their loud RAP music from vehicles. Well, that does fall under public performance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. It is the ASCAP/BMI/SESAC organization that enforces the collection of public performance fees for copywritten music works. It seems to be the RIAA that is pursuing individuals for getting/distributing music files without paying for them.I've never had to deal with ASCAP regarding any jukebox issue. I only restore,repair and resell old jukes. I'm not an operator. My personal experience with the first group as a background music systems contractor is that they look for commercial situations (where music is being played that contributes to the establishment making money) that are not paying public performance fees for the use of music. A common example I've seen are restaurants and stores that are playing a FM music radio station over their sound system. Playing the radio is considered OK if it's done for a special event (i.e. listening to a world Series game), but not if the radio is being used as a general background music source. The location should be using one of the approved commercial music delivery services (that pay ASCAP fees) In the most technical sense, donating the use of one of your jukes loaded with your records for entertainment at a church bazaar is a violation of public performance rules. Are the ASCAP police going to cover such an event? Not very likely. If they did, who would they prosecute? A church group trying to raise some funds (from your coinbox) for a good cause? This would net ASCAP a lot of bad press, which they try to avoid. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Find precision scales that can weigh anything. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwFI2Gvib2X7cFgb7CosHxzrNQdL7qBQ8cxSSN1QHd7qAU4xf5Mc/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From AArmstrong at ocwa.com Tue Aug 18 18:04:48 2009 From: AArmstrong at ocwa.com (Alan Armstrong) Date: Tue Aug 18 18:15:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. Message-ID: I delete most of the mails I get. Unfortunately they come in on my Blackberry and I have to go into my emails and press delete. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Sent: Tue Aug 18 20:25:13 2009 Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. Ya know, I tried really hard to bite my tongue when all the MJ in fighting was going on, but now I REALLY don?t understand. Why, when someone gets tired of a thread, do they post stuff like Alan did. Last I thought. This was a jukebox list. I enjoy all threads pertaining to the history, problems, operator routes.....everything associated with the business.....even the bad (ASACAP/BMI....ect) Bottom line...if you don?t like the thread. DELETE IT. Keep in mind, Jay said, and I quote from his 8/5, 02:08 AM email; " This is not just a technical list. It isn't just a swap board. It is what the 600-plus of you want to make of it, as long as it remains collegial and friendly and somewhat related to coin-operated music machines..." I think this thread fits his vision. I am not trying to start another 2 week "flame" of a topic, but we should all respect each others positions here. That?s all I will say about it. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Alan Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:16 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. Let's either move on or you guys can email each other on this topic. Thank you! ----- Original Message ----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue Aug 18 18:39:05 2009 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. Jay, Rich and All, I am not now, will not, nor have I ever "offered legal advise". It is my understanding from reading my JLO contract some time ago, that a "Jukebox" is defined as a devise that reproduces audio via an electro/mechanical system (thus the "Downloaders are NOT jukeboxes), and also must charge a fee per play. Therefore, it is not OK to operate a "Jukebox" on "free play". It is my understanding that if you do so, it is no longer covered under the JLO agreement and becomes a devise that must be covered separately. I also think that it is the responsibility of the "owner" of the machine, at all times, to be sure it's not in violation of laws---BTW, JLO (used to?) have a toll free number either 800-955, or 995-juke, if anyone wishes to call and axked----- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 12:40 PM Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > With all the chatter regarding all the royalty companies....got me a > little scared. I have been asked by my church, if I could bring a juke > or two to support an auction fund raiser that is held each year for > the Christian school that our church operates. Neither if these jukes > are part of the auction and the coin gathered will be donated to the school. > > What do the experts think? I'm not a lawyer so this is just a personal opinion. If they want to get nasty, the church auction is probably considered a public performance. ANY recorded music or even having the church choir sing popular songs rather than public domain hymns could have them reaching into your pockets. They can even get you for singing, "Happy Birthday To You" in a public place. http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/birthday.asp So, to continue with the birthday analogy, a coin-operated jukebox at a public event is just icing on the cake if they show up. Considering the length of the auction and the amount of revenue you're likely to get from the coin box, I'd set them on free play and ask people to donate a buck or two to the church if they appreciate the jukeboxes. "Jukeboxes don't require coins. Please donate a dollar or two if you like having them here." Note the wording, "if you like having them here" instead of "if you like the music" is deliberate. And having them on free play means that if ASCAP does show up, it's each button-pusher that's guilty, not you. I think the likelihood of any problems is on the order of having the jukebox hit by a meteor, but now that you've broadcast your intentions on the Internet... -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2306 - Release Date: 08/18/09 06:03:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Tue Aug 18 18:12:49 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Aug 18 18:15:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Can anybody id this jukebox - Multiphone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8B5191.3090807@west.net> David G.. wrote: > Stumbled across photo in Photo Bucket. Multiphon ?? ic. > Huge. Very strange indeed. > > http://media.photobucket.com/image/jukebox/mitchrmp/Har-Ber%20Museum/JukeBox.jpg?o=6 "Multiphone", apparently. Video of it in action here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dazzoqV7dE4 It plays Edison cylinders! See also http://www.jerseyhistory.org/Multiphone.pdf The sign in the oval opening reading "JUKEBOX" is obviously not original, they didn't call them that in 1906. Inventor John C. Dunton according to Google. This machine, if coin-operated, would truly qualify as an "antique jukebox", if you define antique to be at least 100 years old. Note that there is another "Multiphone" that came later, a cylindrical chrome wallbox that I think may have been part of the system using telephone lines to a central office where an operator would spin a record for you. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Tue Aug 18 18:22:10 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Aug 18 18:31:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8B53C2.3010305@west.net> I think that most of this discussion is relevant. It relates to history, the labels on records, the experience of present and former jukebox route operators and the issues faced by those of us home user collectors who occasionally provide a machine for an event or party. Alan Armstrong wrote: > I delete most of the mails I get. > > Unfortunately they come in on my Blackberry and I have to go into my emails and press delete. Alan, consider subscribing to the daily digest if this is a problem. You can have two addresses subbed if you want, one on the Blackberry and the other on a conventional machine with different settings. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Tue Aug 18 18:29:53 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Aug 18 18:31:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Can anybody id this jukebox - Multiphone In-Reply-To: <4A8B5191.3090807@west.net> References: <4A8B5191.3090807@west.net> Message-ID: <4A8B5591.4050002@west.net> Here's another, much better video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSKgKeL3_qA Very cool, and apparently totally mechanical, non-electric. I want one! -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 18 19:05:17 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Aug 18 19:56:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] removel of pins to clean References: <8CBEE0966B74B01-13EC-2193@WEBMAIL-DZ06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <005d01ca2071$80867850$6101a8c0@Dirksen> The 1485 actually has the second type pinbank Ron described. Since it has the scan control unit, the pins and washers don't have to be so squeaky clean as the earlier pinbanks. I would remove the top plate from the pinbank, and pull out the segments (I believe there are 5) and clean them as an assembly. Don't pull them apart unless they are really crusty and the pins don't move freely. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:54 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] removel of pins to clean > > Ron: I have the third type, do You remove the two very small c types clips > on each bank of pins?to gain access to clean the pins? > > I know their is springs under them, will the go flying? what is the proper > way to remove them for cleaning? > > > > doc > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 19:05:08 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Aug 18 19:56:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Can anybody id this jukebox In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <168852.96357.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 8/18/09, David G.. wrote: > Stumbled across photo in Photo > Bucket. Multiphon ?? ic. > Huge. Very strange indeed. This is the granddaddy of all jukeboxes. The ferris wheel- like assembly barely visible in back held a series of cylinder record mandrels, which were oriented horizontally (protruding from the wheel). The record to play (I'm not sure if it was selectable, or merely the next one in sequence) rotated up to the top, and the accoustic reproducer (contained in the inverted "T"-shaped assembly over the wheel) lowered down to play it. The horn is behind the fan-shaped grille at the top. There are only a handful of these surviving. On the front of the cabinet, hidden behind the machine in front of it, is a crank, which the patron, after depositing the coin, turned to bring the ferris wheel into position, and simultaneously wind the spring for the playing mechanism. I covet shamelessly this machine. :-) This is only the second picture I've seen of one. The other is a black and white flash photo taken in the 1950s on a man (presumably the collector) seated in front of one. From kjq45 at att.net Tue Aug 18 19:16:42 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Tue Aug 18 19:56:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1754 Stepper Message-ID: <57464E38278F4874A49EFFABEEF5368C@D41XWQ61> First, the situation. I bought a very reasonably priced Rock-Ola 1754 stepper. The seller recapped it. Well, they were all the wrong caps, so I replaced them with new ones. Second, one of the caps, 100mfd at 50v, the only 100mfd in the circuit, appears to be connected in the wrong place. I believe +goes to gnd. and - goes to a 220 ohm resistor. Can anyone verify that? When I first inspected the circuit, one end of the 220 resistor had nothing connected to one end of it and the other end had this 100mfd cap and a wire. Strangely, the dead end of the resistor look factory, but in no way could that unit ever have worked. Your thoughts are appreciated. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 19:34:09 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 18 19:56:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Jukebox Repair Class on Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <838546.58682.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks JC, I miss both Tony and RO Charlie--I considered both good friends-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Jukebox Repair Class on Ebay To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 4:55 PM There's a guy(Ohio Seeburg Repair) selling? a day long? class to learn from him. I'm assuming the three people he's talking about are? himself,Ron Rich and the one who passed on obviously was Tony? Miller. Item no. 190329331806 Wonder what he's talking about when he says Tormat repair"Our way"? I believe him when he says he knows things not in books because Ron? gives us little tidbits of his knowledge for free on here that haven't made it? to a book. Ron should write another book...lol.At least it would be affordable? and everyone interested could buy one. I'm not interested in taking this guy's course(We have the most? knowledgeable Seeburg guy on the planet right here on our list) but I wish? Rockola Charlie had offered something similar. Rockola Charlie really did have a? ton of knowledge on Rockolas that died with him. J.C. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 19:40:45 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 18 19:56:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. In-Reply-To: <006201ca2064$183b7a50$48b26ef0$@net> Message-ID: <744027.79997.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ridh, Do not do that here in? Kal-e-four-nee-a, as the cops will write you up ! Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 5:29 PM So is the line drawn at public places for enforcement,? or could they technically go after me for every song I play while driving in the car? Technically, that is a public performance, and the way I like to ROCK.....like in the 80's....sometimes share my music with everyone in listening distance of the car....especially Lick it Up by KISS......hehehehe Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:53 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. It is the ASCAP/BMI/SESAC organization that enforces the collection of public performance fees for copywritten music works.? It seems to be the RIAA that is pursuing individuals for getting/distributing music files without paying for them.I've never had to deal with ASCAP regarding any jukebox issue.???I only restore,repair and resell old jukes. I'm not an operator. My personal experience with the first group as a background music systems contractor is that they? look for commercial situations (where music is being played that contributes to the establishment making money) that? are not paying public performance fees for the use of music.? ???A common example? I've seen are restaurants and stores that are playing a FM music radio station over their sound system.???Playing the radio is considered OK if it's done for a special event (i.e. listening to a world Series game), but not if the radio is being used as a general background music source. The location should be using one of the approved commercial music delivery services? (that pay ASCAP fees) In the most technical sense, donating the use of one of your jukes loaded with your records for entertainment at a church bazaar is a violation of public performance rules.???Are the ASCAP police going to cover such an event?? Not very likely.? ? If they did, who would they prosecute????A church group trying to raise some funds (from your coinbox) for a good cause?? ? ? This would net ASCAP a lot of bad press, which they try to avoid. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Find precision scales that can weigh anything. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwFI2Gvib2X7cFgb7CosHx zrNQdL7qBQ8cxSSN1QHd7qAU4xf5Mc/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2306 - Release Date: 08/18/09 06:03:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 19:49:19 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 18 19:56:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Can anybody id this jukebox - Multiphone In-Reply-To: <4A8B5591.4050002@west.net> Message-ID: <8817.24999.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yea--I? want one too--looks to be "selectable", or are the numbers just for ID ??? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Can anybody id this jukebox - Multiphone To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 6:29 PM Here's another, much better video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSKgKeL3_qA Very cool, and apparently totally mechanical, non-electric.? I want one! -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Tue Aug 18 20:01:21 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Aug 18 20:08:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Can anybody id this jukebox - Multiphone In-Reply-To: <8817.24999.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8817.24999.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A8B6B01.6090302@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Yea--I want one too--looks to be "selectable", or are the numbers just for ID ? Ron Rich From the second video it appears to be selectable. There are two cranks. The lower right one winds the motor. The upper one appears to make the selection judging from the video. The oval at the top seems to display the titles. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSKgKeL3_qA -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From kjq45 at att.net Tue Aug 18 20:03:01 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Tue Aug 18 20:08:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. References: <744027.79997.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <381B1E28003048ED96D3B749BD1BBB3B@D41XWQ61> Ron, Good advice. I work for CHP and it is a violation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:40 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. Ridh, Do not do that here in Kal-e-four-nee-a, as the cops will write you up ! Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 5:29 PM So is the line drawn at public places for enforcement, or could they technically go after me for every song I play while driving in the car? Technically, that is a public performance, and the way I like to ROCK.....like in the 80's....sometimes share my music with everyone in listening distance of the car....especially Lick it Up by KISS......hehehehe Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:53 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. It is the ASCAP/BMI/SESAC organization that enforces the collection of public performance fees for copywritten music works. It seems to be the RIAA that is pursuing individuals for getting/distributing music files without paying for them.I've never had to deal with ASCAP regarding any jukebox issue. I only restore,repair and resell old jukes. I'm not an operator. My personal experience with the first group as a background music systems contractor is that they look for commercial situations (where music is being played that contributes to the establishment making money) that are not paying public performance fees for the use of music. A common example I've seen are restaurants and stores that are playing a FM music radio station over their sound system. Playing the radio is considered OK if it's done for a special event (i.e. listening to a world Series game), but not if the radio is being used as a general background music source. The location should be using one of the approved commercial music delivery services (that pay ASCAP fees) In the most technical sense, donating the use of one of your jukes loaded with your records for entertainment at a church bazaar is a violation of public performance rules. Are the ASCAP police going to cover such an event? Not very likely. If they did, who would they prosecute? A church group trying to raise some funds (from your coinbox) for a good cause? This would net ASCAP a lot of bad press, which they try to avoid. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Find precision scales that can weigh anything. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwFI2Gvib2X7cFgb7CosHx zrNQdL7qBQ8cxSSN1QHd7qAU4xf5Mc/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2306 - Release Date: 08/18/09 06:03:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Aug 18 20:26:44 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Aug 18 20:36:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. Message-ID: <20090818.232644.15100.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I was attempting to offer Rich Myers a constructive answer to his question regarding placing an antique jukebox at a one day fundraising event at his church. A lot of us can probably offer some horror stories or press releases about the music enforcement police and what constitutes a public performance. In my opinion, an individual playing a loud car stereo does not define a public performance. If the owner of the car stereo is collecting money from multiple listeners to hear the copywritten music he is blasting, then the definition changes. In many communities, doing this will violate local public noise statutes. Once again, ASCAP/BMI/SESAC is primarily interested in protecting (or collecting) performance fees when music is played in commercial settings where revenue is involved. Some of their enforcement efforts lately have been set aside, because the copywrite law does't take into account the "new" technologies. RIAA pursues personal violations of the copywrite (copywright?) law. This usually consists of people dowloadig/distributing,or selling free music files. RIAA goes after people who make and sell "pirate" copies of CD's and DVD's. (If you made your living as a musician, you'd applaud both of their efforts) I know how to get in touch with the ASCAP/BMI organization. They now probably have a website where they post their "rule book". If the group would be interested in obtaining real answers to questions like this instead of merely postulating about it, I'll be glad to research this further and post what results/links that I find. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ340xqble9sKPxyabhqMU5doFGsbjECC3s6IgLYuLEVv4pKCWx00/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Aug 18 20:43:24 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Aug 18 20:45:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Jukebox Repair Class on Ebay Message-ID: <20090818.234324.15100.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> The guy at Ohio Seeburg Repair is Mike Fulper. He's been restoring/selling refurbished classic 50-60's Seeburgs as a full-time business in that area for a long time. I would imagine he's trying a new marketing "schtick" to deal with the slow economy right now. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwrEpSrfS9FAYRekoMdrdgldy989Z8lv6dS4HSbV074dVvIttn0k/ From ccos at knology.net Tue Aug 18 22:37:21 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Aug 19 02:08:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Can anybody id this jukebox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks very similar to one I saw in the Edison museum a couple of months ago when I visited my father and sister in Ft Meyers, FL. Until then, I never knew that Edison and Ford had summer homes beside each other and summer labs to work in, powered by the nearby river. Sis is a wildlife biologist and, much to her husband's dismay, bought one of those super duper digital SLR's that I told her about. (Sorry Don) Anyway, she took lots of pics for me and downloaded them to this laptop, but I just haven't gotten around to sharing them yet. I plan to though. Let me add, one of the most intriguing displays I saw was a home phonograph designed by Edison, to be powered by household water supply. Anyway, I intend on sharing these pictures with anyone who might wish to see them, but I've never done those photo sharing websites so have been sorta procrastinating. Anyway, that jukebox looks a lot like one that Edison designed. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David G.." To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:12 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Can anybody id this jukebox Stumbled across photo in Photo Bucket. Multiphon ?? ic. Huge. Very strange indeed. http://media.photobucket.com/image/jukebox/mitchrmp/Har-Ber%20Museum/JukeBox.jpg?o=6 David G. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Aug 18 20:59:08 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Aug 19 02:08:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Burned CDs, copyright, etc. Message-ID: <20090818.235908.15100.2@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> In this area, ASCAP will not go after someone playing a broadcast sports event on their PA or TV system as long as the facility is not charging admission to see/hear it. Major League Baseball, ESPN, Dish Network etc may have their OWN rules that define what sports events a pub owner can show i order to attract people into his facility. Generally this royalty issue is handled in the subscription rates that a pub owner pays for a enhanced TV service that offers lots of sports events. Sports bar owners pay a commercial rate for Dish Network, Direct TV or cable service that's a lot more than the residential subscriber pays. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save hundreds on an Unsecured Loan - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVyrYZ5pxoZwbUQbkEjsumPgs9fk8jd6tKjTnzMkI7TnPNDhwLGM4/ From alan-hood at datex.co.uk Wed Aug 19 02:27:19 2009 From: alan-hood at datex.co.uk (Alan Hood) Date: Wed Aug 19 07:58:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Source for Rowe Amplifier repair Message-ID: <5800EF01255BC34C8AFD63A9CDD4D4F2011A8A@ntpdc1.datexnt1.local> Hi Dick, If you can not get the R-2179 amplifier repaired in the USA by all means arrange to send in the amplifier for repair or substitution. Regards Alan Hood ami-man UK Alan Hood Games Unlimited & Datex Systems Units 4 & 5 Lion Park New Street Halfway Sheffield S20 3GH UK 44 114 247 0242 phone 44 114 251 0727 fax alan-hood@datex.co.uk From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 09:02:33 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Aug 19 09:13:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Can anybody id this jukebox - Multiphone In-Reply-To: <4A8B6B01.6090302@west.net> Message-ID: <267011.41619.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, That was my guess also-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Can anybody id this jukebox - Multiphone To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 8:01 PM Ron Rich wrote: > Yea--I? want one too--looks to be "selectable", or are the numbers just for ID ????Ron Rich >From the second video it appears to be selectable.? There are two cranks.? The lower right one winds the motor.? The upper one appears to make the selection judging from the video.? The oval at the top seems to display the titles. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSKgKeL3_qA -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 09:10:37 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Aug 19 09:13:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Can anybody id this jukebox In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <470091.47081.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Karl, Quit procas--procrast----STALLING !! I'd love to see some of that-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/18/09, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Can anybody id this jukebox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 10:37 PM Looks very similar to one I saw in the Edison museum a couple of months ago when I visited my father and sister in Ft Meyers, FL. Until then, I never knew that Edison and Ford had summer homes beside each other and summer labs to work in, powered by the nearby river. Sis is a wildlife biologist and, much to her husband's dismay, bought one of those super duper digital SLR's that I told her about. (Sorry Don) Anyway, she took lots of pics for me and downloaded them to this laptop, but I just haven't gotten around to sharing them yet. I plan to though. Let me add, one of the most intriguing displays I saw was a home phonograph designed by Edison, to be powered by household water supply. Anyway, I intend on sharing these pictures with anyone who might wish to see them, but I've never done those photo sharing websites so have been sorta procrastinating. Anyway, that jukebox looks a lot like one that Edison designed. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2001 S. Lumpkin Rd. STE 18 www.columbuscoinopshop.com Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David G.." To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:12 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Can anybody id this jukebox Stumbled across photo in Photo Bucket. Multiphon? ?? ic. Huge. Very strange indeed. http://media.photobucket.com/image/jukebox/mitchrmp/Har-Ber%20Museum/JukeBox.jpg?o=6 David G. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Aug 19 11:43:54 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Aug 19 13:59:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Special Issue Jukebox Records Message-ID: No, this is not the case. Operators always have records laying around. The lower selection models were usually offered as discount model options. You'll notice in many cases the trim or cabinet is simplified and/or the size of the cabinet is smaller. The mechanisms and selectors also have fewer parts. Simple logic. Economy models. Most extreme, special case: In 1974, Wurlitzer offered the 100 selection lyric... with their OLD mechanism. This was done to get rid of a huge surplus of them in the warehouse. They were put into an extremely simple, inexpensive cabinet and sold as an economy model. "I wonder if they were priced differently than the home use versions. It's interesting that in the early days of 45-RPM boxes the manufacturers came out with cut-down selection versions such as the Seeburg 220 vs 222, the AMI Continental in both 100 and 200 select, and the Wurlitzer xx00 vs xx10 machines with half the selections. One reason given for this was the cost of the records to fill the box. This doesn't seem right, as the extra cost would be a one-time thing to initially bring the box on location. Thereafter change out the non-performers on schedule the same as with a 100-play box. At under $1 per record (retail for "home use" records) at the time and most machines on dime play the cost of records doesn't seem to be a major factor." Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Aug 19 11:48:33 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Aug 19 14:00:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: f120 turntable cover Message-ID: Be sure not to limit your searches on eBay, etc. This same cover was also used on the D and E models, so vary your searches. D 80 D 120 D80 D120 E 80 E 120 E80 E120 F 80 F 120 F80 F120 It was in red on all these machines, and beige on the G models. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Aug 19 12:10:28 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Aug 19 14:00:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Burned CDs, copyright, etc. Message-ID: Um, don't worry about it. I'm sure the Music Royalty Police or Homeland Security won't be called. If nothing else, Churches are probably exempt, and the chances that someone would find out are astronomically small that one on a one day charity event, some ASCAP representative would happen to be attending it and then try to muscle in. That would be pathetic and tacky. Kyle~ ---------------------------------------------------------- "With all the chatter regarding all the royalty companies....got me a little scared. I have been asked by my church, if I could bring a juke or two tosupport an auction fund raiser that is held each year for the Christian school that our church operates. Neither if these jukes are part of the auction and the coin gathered will be donated to the school. What do the experts think?" Thanks. Rich _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Wed Aug 19 12:13:20 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Wed Aug 19 14:00:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Burned CDs, copyright, etc. Late Capitol 45s Message-ID: Re: Capitol Records 1990s "For Jukeboxes Only." They did this so that they didn't have to set up retail distribution on them. No bar codes, orders, etc. They'd left the retail 45 market. That didn't keep my local retailers from getting them, though. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From jay at west.net Wed Aug 19 14:12:32 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Aug 19 14:14:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 100-select versions of 160 or 200-select boxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8C6AC0.60201@west.net> Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > No, this is not the case. Operators always have records laying around. > The lower selection models were usually offered as discount model options. > You'll notice in many cases the trim or cabinet is simplified and/or the > size of the cabinet is smaller. The mechanisms and selectors also have fewer parts. > Simple logic. Economy models. > Most extreme, special case: In 1974, Wurlitzer offered the 100 selection lyric... with their OLD mechanism. > This was done to get rid of a huge surplus of them in the warehouse. > They were put into an extremely simple, inexpensive cabinet and sold as an economy model. OK, I can see that in some cases as a special box offered solely in 100-play. Rockola Princess 1493, the AMI Lyric (Continental minus radar dish), Phono-Jet? etc. It doesn't explain, for example, the Seeburg 220 vs 222. Same cabinet, same trim, even the same keyboard casting with the middle buttons blanked. Or the Wurlitzer 2610 through 3010 where for several years the same cabinet and trim was offered in both 100 and 200 play versions. AMI is even more strange. They use the same 200-play record basket and just don't load all of the slots. I don't think the price to the operator really offered that much of a discount for a 100 vs. 200 (or 160) play machine in the came cabinet and styling. Some of the older literature showed like a $50 difference on a box costing around $1000. One theory that someone posted, and the one that seems to make sense, is that there was a tax or fee charged in some localities based on the number of available selections. I haven't seen any hard evidence of this but it seems to be a possible explanation. As a mild example, in 1949 to the early 1950s in Tonawanda NY, I could expect some serious lobbying to tax heavily any machine offering more than 24 selections. :-) -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 15:23:58 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Aug 19 17:05:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 100-select versions of 160 or 200-select boxes In-Reply-To: <4A8C6AC0.60201@west.net> Message-ID: <810426.17861.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, Probably in Grand Rapids, MI, too !!? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: 100-select versions of 160 or 200-select boxes To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 2:12 PM Mechanical Music of S.F. wrote: > No, this is not the case.? Operators always have records laying around. > The lower selection models were usually offered as discount model options. You'll notice in many cases the trim or cabinet is simplified and/or the size of the cabinet is smaller. The mechanisms and selectors also have fewer parts. > Simple logic. Economy models. > Most extreme, special case: In 1974, Wurlitzer offered the 100 selection lyric... with their OLD mechanism. > This was done to get rid of a huge surplus of them in the warehouse. > They were put into an extremely simple, inexpensive cabinet and sold as an economy model. OK, I can see that in some cases as a special box offered solely in 100-play.? Rockola Princess 1493, the AMI Lyric (Continental minus radar dish), Phono-Jet? etc. It doesn't explain, for example, the Seeburg 220 vs 222.? Same cabinet, same trim, even the same keyboard casting with the middle buttons blanked. Or the Wurlitzer 2610 through 3010 where for several years the same cabinet and trim was offered in both 100 and 200 play versions. AMI is even more strange.? They use the same 200-play record basket and just don't load all of the slots. I don't think the price to the operator really offered that much of a discount for a 100 vs. 200 (or 160) play machine in the came cabinet and styling.? Some of the older literature showed like a $50 difference on a box costing around $1000. One theory that someone posted, and the one that seems to make sense, is that there was a tax or fee charged in some localities based on the number of available selections.? I haven't seen any hard evidence of this but it seems to be a possible explanation. As a mild example, in 1949 to the early 1950s in Tonawanda NY, I could expect some serious lobbying to tax heavily any machine offering more than 24 selections.? :-) -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gibson510 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 19 18:33:39 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Wed Aug 19 20:18:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 222 mechanism question revisited Message-ID: I recently inquired if anyone had a 222 mechanism. I have found someone who has a 220 mech. Can i use that in the 222 plug and play?? Thanks! Rick Jeff I sent you the programming codes for the NSM _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From kjq45 at att.net Wed Aug 19 18:40:20 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Wed Aug 19 20:18:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seegurg 3w1 Title Strip Message-ID: <2252C6A79F01438E9FE85A1BC3E57F45@D41XWQ61> Are there any suggestions for replacing the springs at the top of the title strip holders on the Seeburg 3w1 wall box? Is this item available, or must it be self made? From kjq45 at att.net Wed Aug 19 18:43:12 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Wed Aug 19 20:18:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Key Message-ID: <01B160777DC04949B1D9459298F19196@D41XWQ61> Is the key to a Seeburg 3w1 universal, or was there a key for each box? I would like to have a spare, but would like to have some information before I begin the search. From jay at west.net Wed Aug 19 20:30:08 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Aug 19 20:32:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Key In-Reply-To: <01B160777DC04949B1D9459298F19196@D41XWQ61> References: <01B160777DC04949B1D9459298F19196@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <4A8CC340.304@west.net> Glen Pitts wrote: > Is the key to a Seeburg 3w1 universal, or was there a key for each box? I would like to have a spare, but would like to have some information before I begin the search. There are a series of them, perhaps 999 separate keys. The key code should be stamped on the key and on the lock face. Code is the letter S followed by three digits. Contact Jack Prince (716) 694-3254 for wallbox keys. I think he gets around $8 or $10 for them. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Wed Aug 19 20:32:35 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Aug 19 22:06:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seegurg 3w1 Title Strip In-Reply-To: <2252C6A79F01438E9FE85A1BC3E57F45@D41XWQ61> References: <2252C6A79F01438E9FE85A1BC3E57F45@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <4A8CC3D3.8060807@west.net> Glen Pitts wrote: > Are there any suggestions for replacing the springs at the top of the title strip holders on the Seeburg 3w1 wall box? Is this item available, or must it be self made? Victory Glass sells them, I believe some of the other repro parts houses may as well. 59-6345 Spring (set of 2) for 3W1 wallbox (1 set needed per page) each set $10.00 -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From kjq45 at att.net Wed Aug 19 21:40:13 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Wed Aug 19 22:06:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Stepper Problem Message-ID: The electrical project is complete in my Rock-Ola 1754 stepper only to discover that two nylon gears are frozen from non use. These gears should turn very freely by activation of the stepper unit, release coil and step-up coil. Does anyone have a suggestion that would avoid complete disassembly? From jay at west.net Wed Aug 19 22:16:32 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Aug 19 22:22:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Stepper Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8CDC30.4080305@west.net> Glen Pitts wrote: > The electrical project is complete in my Rock-Ola 1754 stepper only to discover that two nylon gears are frozen from non use. These gears should turn very freely by activation of the stepper unit, release coil and step-up coil. Does anyone have a suggestion that would avoid complete disassembly? There was a discussion here a while back about how to disassemble these for repair. The setscrews are Bristol spline. See: http://webreports.netlojix.com/pipermail/jukebox-list/2005-March/thread.html and look at the messages with "Rockola stepper" in the subject. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Wed Aug 19 22:28:56 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Aug 19 22:35:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Stepper Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8CDF18.8060006@west.net> Glen Pitts wrote: > The electrical project is complete in my Rock-Ola 1754 stepper only to discover that two nylon gears are frozen from non use. These gears should turn very freely by activation of the stepper unit, release coil and step-up coil. Does anyone have a suggestion that would avoid complete disassembly? Do you have the manual for the stepper? If the gears are part number 44481 and 44482, you're in luck. When you get your wallbox springs from Victory Glass, get their part number 80-4462 and 80-4463 gears. They're black Delrin replacements for the Rockola nylon gears. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From kjq45 at att.net Wed Aug 19 23:09:26 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Thu Aug 20 00:13:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Stepper Problem References: <4A8CDF18.8060006@west.net> Message-ID: I have a manual for 1754, 1744 and 1745 steppers. From the picture, it looks like an arrow points in the direction of the gear. They call it the stepper unit and they number it as 35532 in all three steppers. I will consult Victory glass about the correct gear. BTW: I got the unit disassembled successfully and discovered that the gear actually split along the shaft. That's what's making it so tight. I'll knock on wood that Victory glass has the part. Thanks for your help. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Stepper Problem > Glen Pitts wrote: >> The electrical project is complete in my Rock-Ola 1754 stepper only to >> discover that two nylon gears are frozen from non use. These gears >> should turn very freely by activation of the stepper unit, release coil >> and step-up coil. Does anyone have a suggestion that would avoid >> complete disassembly? > > Do you have the manual for the stepper? If the gears are part number > 44481 and 44482, you're in luck. > > When you get your wallbox springs from Victory Glass, get their part > number 80-4462 and 80-4463 gears. They're black Delrin replacements for > the Rockola nylon gears. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Thu Aug 20 00:19:01 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Aug 20 00:27:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Stepper Problem In-Reply-To: References: <4A8CDF18.8060006@west.net> Message-ID: <4A8CF8E5.2010507@west.net> Glen Pitts wrote: > BTW: I got the unit disassembled successfully and discovered that the > gear actually split along the shaft. That's what's making it so tight. > I'll knock on wood that Victory glass has the part. Thanks for your help. Definitely follow the complete discussion in the link I posted earlier. It describes a very similar situation. One solution discussed is to enlarge the center hole and insert a brass sleeve from tubing found at model hobby shops. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From rellis2007 at aol.com Thu Aug 20 06:34:20 2009 From: rellis2007 at aol.com (rellis2007@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 20 09:39:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Stepper Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBEFB20E9F9E9A-89C-B200@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com> When I had this problem, John from Joh's Jukes advised Me to carefuly heat the whole stepper unit and take it apart, as the problem is the white grease used by the manafacture as it?set up, the only way to avoid this happening again is to clean the whole unit?and reoil or use new lubricant I used White lithium. the way to get the unit apart is to drive the small c pin out, the way to get the unit to move is using a heat gun heat the unit until you can turn the stepper motor using the knurled end on the bottom of the stepper motor turn?cockwise, until You can?drive? the c pin it out, pull?out?pull the record bow, and clean the whole unit. I would the mark the gears, the help You when puting it back together. You?will retime the unit by turning the same stepper motor bottom knurled shaft, with the caroual in it's resting positon " the blake place on top that holds no records, the scan control will accumlates this. buy turning the knurled bottom shaft the bow will move up and over the caroul turn he shaft until it stops turning. it will be in time. hope this helps. doc ellis -----Original Message----- From: Glen Pitts To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:40 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Stepper Problem The electrical project is complete in my Rock-Ola 1754 stepper only to discover that two nylon gears are frozen from non use. These gears should turn very freely by activation of the stepper unit, release coil and step-up coil. Does anyone have a suggestion that would avoid complete disassembly? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 06:56:47 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 20 09:39:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 222 mechanism question revisited In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <736380.49477.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> One is an eighty record mech (222) while the other is 50--won't fit.? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/19/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] 222 mechanism question revisited To: "jukebox list" Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 6:33 PM I recently inquired if anyone had a 222 mechanism. I have found someone who has a 220 mech. Can i use that in the 222 plug and play?? Thanks! Rick Jeff I sent you the programming codes for the NSM _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 06:58:46 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 20 09:39:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seegurg 3w1 Title Strip In-Reply-To: <2252C6A79F01438E9FE85A1BC3E57F45@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <750371.67018.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> There is a guy that sells them on eBay, most all the time--however I have removed them on all the 3W1's I operate, as they are a PIA to me--? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seegurg 3w1 Title Strip To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 6:40 PM Are there any suggestions for replacing the springs at the top of the title strip holders on the Seeburg 3w1 wall box?? Is this item available, or must it be self made? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 07:00:40 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 20 09:39:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Key In-Reply-To: <01B160777DC04949B1D9459298F19196@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <225003.63641.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Order by individual number from Jack Prince? 716 694-3254? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Key To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 6:43 PM Is the key to a Seeburg 3w1 universal, or was there a key for each box?? I would like to have a spare, but would like to have some information before I begin the search. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 07:13:24 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 20 09:39:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Key In-Reply-To: <01B160777DC04949B1D9459298F19196@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <195134.10259.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have just been informed that Jack Prince has retired and is no longer selling keys. He sold to John Durfee, who is now selling keys at his www.needles4jukes.com? website.? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 3w1 Key To: "Jukebox List" Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 6:43 PM Is the key to a Seeburg 3w1 universal, or was there a key for each box?? I would like to have a spare, but would like to have some information before I begin the search. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Aug 20 10:17:37 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Aug 20 10:28:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 100-select versions of 160 or 200-select boxes Message-ID: <20090820.131737.15731.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I was working in suburban Detroit MI in the 60's. To the best of my knowledge, a (city or county) license needed to be paid for each juke on location, but the prices for these were fixed fees. They weren't based on selection capacity.There was also the ability to apply for a single master license that would cover machines in multiple locations. As you got into the outlying suburbs, each municipality had their own rules/regs regarding amusement licenses for machines. The vendor I worked for did a lot of business with family-style restaurant chains. Most of these location managers asked to have wallbox installations, an expensive proposition. At the time, the Seeburg LPC-1 style system (wallboxes with speakers) was new and was a hot commodity. My boss preferred Wurlitzer gear,was heavily vested in it, and to work with that distributor. Soon, Wurlitzer had a comparable wall box system. (2900, I think) Most of the restaurant locations put in 100-select Wurlitzer wallbox systems with all the records being 45's not the little LP's. One particular restaurant chain had him install the 160 select Seeburg units at their stores where some of the selections were albums. Pricing was usually 3/25 cents, 1 play 10 cents. Album play was 50 cents to play both sides of the record. This was circa 1965-66. Most of the individual locations had older stand-alone Wurlitzer jukes, with a few RockOlas. Chances are economics was driving some of these product-choice decisions. I wasn't in on those decisions, I just had to fix 'em. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Choose from great prices and selection of therapeutic oils. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSoIV7JmyYVASQyHn4eUMDGWHt84R5nuXYl6ajp7H8nC5q6ylDCKU/ From gibson510 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 20 12:34:39 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Thu Aug 20 13:26:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 222 mech revisisted Message-ID: HI Ron, regarding using the 220 mech in the 222, I guess I should have been more specific. The 222 has the complete mech in there but it is destroyed. I only want to replace the mech head (for lack of a better term) and the wiring. I 'll use the tormat, mech mounting frame, and everything else from the 222. You know, take two and make one. Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 From kjq45 at att.net Thu Aug 20 12:59:01 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Thu Aug 20 13:26:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Stepper Problem References: <8CBEFB20E9F9E9A-89C-B200@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <495B1A3497104B2893F165B7A127E693@D41XWQ61> With lots of very careful inspection, disassembly of the 1754 stepper gear assembly went well. In my case, I discovered that the plastic gear shafts had actually split, causing the diameter to increase, thus making a very tight fit. After considering lots of appreciated advice, I decided to use a piece of sand paper to decrease the circumference of the shaft. The plastic sands quickly and easily, so over sanding is easy to do. Do a little, then check. For the crack, I filled it with JB Weld to create a new bond so the shaft would not expand further. I'll now have to give it ample drying time, then remove any excess. I decided not to tamper with the bracket hole. If in the future someone decides to manufacture these gears, or some NOS shows up, I want to maintain the original hole opening. I believe this fix will work and all indications show that it will. I will advise when everything is reassembled and tested. Thanks to all that offered help to me. It gave me insight to the solution. BTW: This is a good time to clean all the contacts. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Stepper Problem > > When I had this problem, John from Joh's Jukes advised Me to carefuly heat > the whole stepper unit and take it apart, as the problem is the white > grease used by the manafacture as it?set up, the only way to avoid this > happening again is to clean the whole unit?and reoil or use new lubricant > I used White lithium. the way to get the unit apart is to drive the small > c pin out, the way to get the unit to move is using a heat gun heat the > unit until you can turn the stepper motor using the knurled end on the > bottom of the stepper motor turn?cockwise, until You can?drive? the c pin > it out, pull?out?pull the record bow, and clean the whole unit. I would > the mark the gears, the help You when puting it back together. > > > > You?will retime the unit by turning the same stepper motor bottom knurled > shaft, with the caroual in it's resting positon " the blake place on top > that holds no records, the scan control will accumlates this. buy turning > the knurled bottom shaft the bow will move up and over the caroul turn he > shaft until it stops turning. it will be in time. > > > > hope this helps. > > > > doc ellis > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Glen Pitts > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:40 pm > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Stepper Problem > > > > > The electrical project is complete in my Rock-Ola 1754 stepper only to > discover > that two nylon gears are frozen from non use. These gears should turn > very > freely by activation of the stepper unit, release coil and step-up coil. > Does > anyone have a suggestion that would avoid complete disassembly? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From normanwohl at aol.com Thu Aug 20 14:55:19 2009 From: normanwohl at aol.com (normanwohl@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 20 15:38:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wall box keys Message-ID: <1050921775-1250805194-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-739959814-@bxe1178.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Just got notified John Durfee bought out Jack Prince's key business. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From jhendrix0214 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 15:34:33 2009 From: jhendrix0214 at yahoo.com (Jerry Hendrix) Date: Thu Aug 20 17:32:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Model 425 - Drum or Magazine sticks Message-ID: <890001.80696.qm@web111902.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> After making a selection, the magazine turns but stops or sticks about every three to ten records.? I can push the magazine with my finger and it turns again for three to ten records until it reaches the selection and it plays the record just fine. Suggestions please From kjq45 at att.net Thu Aug 20 16:16:41 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Thu Aug 20 17:32:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wall box keys References: <1050921775-1250805194-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-739959814-@bxe1178.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone for directing me to John Durfee for wall box keys. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:55 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wall box keys > Just got notified John Durfee bought out Jack Prince's key business. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 17:26:27 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 20 17:32:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Stepper Problem In-Reply-To: <495B1A3497104B2893F165B7A127E693@D41XWQ61> Message-ID: <601545.76705.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Glen, I have never worked on a Rock stepper, but I think it's a "Guardian" brand same as the Seeburg's/Wurly's were. If so, I do not think your fix will last too long, as what is happening is the "nylon" was bound onto the aluminum center post. The problem is that the post expands, when hot, at a much faster rate then the nylon, causing it to "split". Good luck with it anyway--and let us know in a year or so--? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Stepper Problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 12:59 PM With lots of very careful inspection, disassembly of the 1754 stepper gear assembly went well.? In my case, I discovered that the plastic gear shafts had actually split, causing the diameter to increase, thus making a very tight fit.? After considering lots of appreciated advice, I decided to use a piece of sand paper to decrease the circumference of the shaft.? The plastic sands quickly and easily, so over sanding is easy to do.? Do a little, then check.? For the crack, I filled it with JB Weld to create a new bond so the shaft would not expand further.? I'll now have to give it ample drying time, then remove any excess.? I decided not to tamper with the bracket hole.? If in the future someone decides to manufacture these gears, or some NOS shows up, I want to maintain the original hole opening.? I believe this fix will work and all indications show that it will.? I will advise when everything is reassembled and tested.? Thanks to all that offered help to me.? It gave me insight to the solution.? BTW:? This is a good time to clean all the contacts. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Stepper Problem > > When I had this problem, John from Joh's Jukes advised Me to carefuly heat the whole stepper unit and take it apart, as the problem is the white grease used by the manafacture as it?set up, the only way to avoid this happening again is to clean the whole unit?and reoil or use new lubricant I used White lithium. the way to get the unit apart is to drive the small c pin out, the way to get the unit to move is using a heat gun heat the unit until you can turn the stepper motor using the knurled end on the bottom of the stepper motor turn?cockwise, until You can?drive? the c pin it out, pull?out?pull the record bow, and clean the whole unit. I would the mark the gears, the help You when puting it back together. > > > > You?will retime the unit by turning the same stepper motor bottom knurled shaft, with the caroual in it's resting positon " the blake place on top that holds no records, the scan control will accumlates this. buy turning the knurled bottom shaft the bow will move up and over the caroul turn he shaft until it stops turning. it will be in time. > > > > hope this helps. > > > > doc ellis > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Glen Pitts > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:40 pm > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Stepper Problem > > > > > The electrical project is complete in my Rock-Ola 1754 stepper only to discover > that two nylon gears are frozen from non use.? These gears should turn very > freely by activation of the stepper unit, release coil and step-up coil. Does > anyone have a suggestion that would avoid complete disassembly? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Aug 20 18:03:03 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu Aug 20 19:53:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Test message Message-ID: <003301ca21fb$27f165c0$77d43140$@net> Sent two messages today that did not post. This is a test message. From oldjukes at hotmail.com Thu Aug 20 18:12:33 2009 From: oldjukes at hotmail.com (Hans Minderman) Date: Thu Aug 20 19:53:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] air check cylinder of RCA RP-168 Message-ID: Hi All, Does any one know the function of the 'air check cylinder' on the RCA RP-168 record changer that is used for the Chicoin Hitparade jukebox? Does this cylinder need to be lubricated ? Thanks! -Hans _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 From sonnygirl at cafes.net Thu Aug 20 19:04:57 2009 From: sonnygirl at cafes.net (sonnygirl@cafes.net) Date: Thu Aug 20 19:53:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 3W-1 Keys Message-ID: <50640.1250820297@cafes.net> Durfee bought out Jack's equipment and inventory. For Seeburg and Wurlitzer key replacement, John is now the go to source. Hope this is helpful. From kjq45 at att.net Thu Aug 20 19:48:12 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Thu Aug 20 19:53:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] It Works! Message-ID: It's complete, connected and it works great! After many hours of wiring and mechanical work, the Seeburg 3W1 is successfully controlling the Rock-Ola Princess 1493. Surprisingly, A1 and A2 on the 3W1 plays A1 and B1 on the Rock-Ola. This is perfect. All the title strips will line up correctly. I will be updating my web site with pictures real soon. www.kjq.us.com From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Aug 20 20:00:37 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Aug 20 20:13:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Model 425 - Drum or Magazine sticks Message-ID: <20090820.230037.18103.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Hello Jerry: There could be several issues causing the RO 425 problem where the record basket motor is stalling/ sticking.First a question---what happens if you use the scan switch on the record changer to spin the record basket? Does it run smoothly then? If yes, you have an electrical problem. If no, then the problem most likely rests with the DC power supply or the record basket motor. Here are the most common things to check: Dirty contacts/wipers on the read out printed circuit board. The read out PC board is located next to the selection pin bank It is a 2-sided board. When you write in a selection, you will see the solenoid arm circle the pin bank and "hammer" a pin up. On the other side, you'll see an arm that circles the pin bank (it's operation will be jerky as it is tied to the record basket shaft). Clean the circuit board contacts and wiper contacts here. There is a big capacity rectifier located in the jukebox's power distribution chassis. This power supply provides 28 volts DC at high current to power all the record changer robotics. If this supply has weak output, it can cause the record basket and gripper arm motors to stall or burn out. Last thing to inspect is the record basket motor itself. It may need to be opened up and checked for defective motor brushes, a worn armature, or simply cleaned and oiled. Motor parts, if needed, for 60's-era RockOla's can be found at Victory Glass in IA. Sometimes, used RO motors,parts show up on E Bay at low prices. There are several generations & variations of these motors. Check first that you are buying the right part. Good luck with your repair. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Learn more about custom solutions for your printing needs. Click here for online services. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbhmLRi4Ca1DUj7qzQgJ86fpjt9uyNXzf66Ecd5F4eEThKRIrqe1S/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Aug 20 20:02:29 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Aug 20 20:13:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Test message Message-ID: <20090820.230229.18103.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Saw this one, but not any others. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Have a good idea for a business but no cash? Click here to search business funding options. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYd4V0RaW9swj3hsakGdN1rYXgrEqLcp03cECxdIUA72AhQCes2yBq/ From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 21:12:58 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Thu Aug 20 21:58:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Deal of the century!!!! Message-ID: While doing my daily browsing on Craigslist, I found the DEAL OF THE CENTURY!!!! http://austin.craigslist.org/atq/1332129987.html Okay, stop laughing! And I will too since I have to clean up the beer I sprayed when I saw the ad! It never ceases to amaze me that people so out of touch with reality can both DRIVE and VOTE! No wonder why our country is in the toilet.... Thomas -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From jay at west.net Thu Aug 20 22:03:24 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Aug 20 22:11:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Deal of the century!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8E2A9C.70906@west.net> Thomas Teeter wrote: > While doing my daily browsing on Craigslist, I found the DEAL OF THE > CENTURY!!!! > > http://austin.craigslist.org/atq/1332129987.html > > Okay, stop laughing! And I will too since I have to clean up the beer I > sprayed when I saw the ad! It never ceases to amaze me that people so out of > touch with reality can both DRIVE and VOTE! Wow, and he has two of them! In fairness, he probably left out the decimal. $3200.00 isn't too far out of line for a fully restored Seeburg G, but if he's asking top dollar he should at least clear the coin jam. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Thu Aug 20 22:11:28 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Aug 20 22:21:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] It Works! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8E2C80.9030504@west.net> Glen Pitts wrote: > It's complete, connected and it works great! After many hours of wiring and mechanical work, the Seeburg 3W1 is successfully controlling the Rock-Ola Princess 1493. Surprisingly, A1 and A2 on the 3W1 plays A1 and B1 on the Rock-Ola. This is perfect. All the title strips will line up correctly. I will be updating my web site with pictures real soon. www.kjq.us.com Awesome! So the juke is A1-B1 (Rockola scheme) for the first record, and the wallbox is A1-A2 (100-play Seeburg scheme). But selecting A2 on the wallbox plays the flip side of A1 as expected, even though it is designated B1 on the juke, right? That's cool. The only drawback would be if someone familiar with the selections on the jukebox knows that his favorite song is C-7, and goes to the wallbox and selects C-7 without looking it up he'll get something different. No big deal. Well done! -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jeffzurn at cox.net Thu Aug 20 22:15:27 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Thu Aug 20 22:21:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Deal of the century!!!! References: Message-ID: <004501ca221e$658356f0$b5223009@ZURNT60> That price HAS GOT to be missing the decimal point. $3200(decimal point)00 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Teeter" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Deal of the century!!!! > While doing my daily browsing on Craigslist, I found the DEAL OF THE > CENTURY!!!! > > http://austin.craigslist.org/atq/1332129987.html > > Okay, stop laughing! And I will too since I have to clean up the beer I > sprayed when I saw the ad! It never ceases to amaze me that people so out > of > touch with reality can both DRIVE and VOTE! > No wonder why our country is in the toilet.... > > Thomas > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jay at west.net Thu Aug 20 22:20:39 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Aug 20 22:47:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Model 425 - Drum or Magazine sticks In-Reply-To: <890001.80696.qm@web111902.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <890001.80696.qm@web111902.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A8E2EA7.4020307@west.net> Jerry Hendrix wrote: > After making a selection, the magazine turns but stops or sticks about every three to ten records. I can push the magazine with my finger and it turns again for three to ten records until it reaches the selection and it plays the record just fine. Suggestions please This could be any one of three things, in order of likelihood in my opinion: 1. The motor isn't getting enough voltage. Connect a voltmeter across the motor, make a selection, and read the voltage. It should be somewhere around 24 to 30 volts with the motor running. If it's low, it could be the rectifier or a bad connection between the power source and the motor. If the rectifier in a 425 is still selenium (looks like a stack of square plates), replace it with a silicon rectifier. 2. The motor is bad or in need of service. Dirty commutator, bad brushes, bad bearings or burned windings. 3. There is something binding or gummed up in the magazine drive train. Not likely if slight hand pressure gets it going. Best to disassemble, clean and relubricate for a total rebuild job but lot likely to be the problem here. With the gearmotor removed does it turn easily by hand? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pinball at telus.net Thu Aug 20 22:30:37 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Aug 20 22:47:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] It Works! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8E30FD.8080000@telus.net> Glen Pitts wrote: > It's complete, connected and it works great! After many hours of wiring and mechanical work, the Seeburg 3W1 is successfully controlling the Rock-Ola Princess 1493. Surprisingly, A1 and A2 on the 3W1 plays A1 and B1 on the Rock-Ola. This is perfect. All the title strips will line up correctly. I will be updating my web site with pictures real soon. www.kjq.us.com > _______________________________________________ > WICO used to sell strips of sticky labels that would change wallbox title strip IDs to remove possible confusion. I have a bunch of these that I should put up either for sale or scan the suckers and let the cheap rascals make thier own! (ducking). John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 07:15:04 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Aug 21 13:24:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Test message In-Reply-To: <003301ca21fb$27f165c0$77d43140$@net> Message-ID: <788600.83610.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Got this one--? Posting seemed slow yesterday-? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Test message To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 6:03 PM Sent two messages today that did not post.? This is a test message. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 07:17:19 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Aug 21 13:24:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] air check cylinder of RCA RP-168 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <426694.82862.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hans, Better to ask this question on? www.phonoland.com. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Hans Minderman wrote: From: Hans Minderman Subject: [Jukebox-list] air check cylinder of RCA RP-168 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 6:12 PM Hi All, Does any one know the function of the 'air check cylinder' on the RCA RP-168 record changer that is used for the Chicoin Hitparade jukebox? Does this cylinder need to be lubricated ? Thanks! -Hans _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Fri Aug 21 08:02:47 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Fri Aug 21 13:24:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Model 425 - Drum or Magazine sticks In-Reply-To: <890001.80696.qm@web111902.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <890001.80696.qm@web111902.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01ca2270$720a4e40$561eeac0$@force9.co.uk> When a selection is made, and a pin is pushed for the relevant selection, a microswitch is operated (top back of the pin assembly - easy to see). If this isn't operating correctly due to a bad switch or stiff pins not pushing the mechanical bar enough, intermittent contact to the motor will occur and give you the problem. (i.e. the machine thinks it has scanned out and therefore no longer needs to apply power to the motor). Quite common on seldom used machines or ones that need a glld clean up/service. Unlikely to be a dead spot on the armature as that will only give problems when starting the motor if the brush lands on the dead spot. Also, check all connections on the little box under the mech, where the mech control relays are. (to the right and below the record playing/popularity counter wheel. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Hendrix Sent: 20 August 2009 23:35 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Model 425 - Drum or Magazine sticks After making a selection, the magazine turns but stops or sticks about every three to ten records.? I can push the magazine with my finger and it turns again for three to ten records until it reaches the selection and it plays the record just fine. Suggestions please _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From nipper45 at verizon.net Fri Aug 21 11:43:52 2009 From: nipper45 at verizon.net (John Lee) Date: Fri Aug 21 13:24:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] air check cylinder of RCA RP-168 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0KOQ006J1PCTCGT5@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Hi Hans: If it is the same as the RP-168, it is a damper for the tone arm set-down. Some of the very early changers did not have it and literally drop the needle onto the record. It is not supposed to be lubed .(I found out the hard way when I was a teenager. If you lube it, the air will not pass around the piston and the arm will not descend to the record.). John At 06:12 PM 8/20/2009, you wrote: >Hi All, > > > >Does any one know the function of the 'air check cylinder' on the >RCA RP-168 record changer that is used for the Chicoin Hitparade >jukebox? Does this cylinder need to be lubricated ? > >Thanks! > >-Hans > >_________________________________________________________________ >Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. >http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.408 / Virus Database: 270.13.62/2315 - Release Date: >08/20/09 06:05:00 From Jeffrey.Carriero at Cobham.com Fri Aug 21 09:41:04 2009 From: Jeffrey.Carriero at Cobham.com (Carriero, Jeffrey) Date: Fri Aug 21 13:24:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Slide Projector for Rowe MM-3 Message-ID: Hello John, Do you still have the projector for the Rowe MM-3 Jukebox? Thanks Jeff From bud43 at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 21 16:37:29 2009 From: bud43 at sbcglobal.net (Bud Wintermantel) Date: Fri Aug 21 16:52:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] It Works! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <152757.75378.qm@web82401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Glen, You have a GREAT website. Thanks Bud Magalia Ca. Beyond Paradise --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: [Jukebox-list] It Works! To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 7:48 PM It's complete, connected and it works great!? After many hours of wiring and mechanical work, the Seeburg 3W1 is successfully controlling the Rock-Ola Princess 1493.? Surprisingly, A1 and A2 on the 3W1 plays A1 and B1 on the Rock-Ola.? This is perfect.? All the title strips will line up correctly.? I will be updating my web site with pictures real soon.? www.kjq.us.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kjq45 at att.net Fri Aug 21 17:06:48 2009 From: kjq45 at att.net (Glen Pitts) Date: Fri Aug 21 17:40:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] It Works! References: <152757.75378.qm@web82401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9FB886D01C3D4AD2BC91AA4BDB024513@D41XWQ61> Hi Bud, Thanks for the compliment. Glad you liked it. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Wintermantel" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] It Works! Glen, You have a GREAT website. Thanks Bud Magalia Ca. Beyond Paradise --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Glen Pitts wrote: From: Glen Pitts Subject: [Jukebox-list] It Works! To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 7:48 PM It's complete, connected and it works great! After many hours of wiring and mechanical work, the Seeburg 3W1 is successfully controlling the Rock-Ola Princess 1493. Surprisingly, A1 and A2 on the 3W1 plays A1 and B1 on the Rock-Ola. This is perfect. All the title strips will line up correctly. I will be updating my web site with pictures real soon. www.kjq.us.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Aug 22 08:26:49 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Aug 22 10:17:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Deal of the century!!!! In-Reply-To: <004501ca221e$658356f0$b5223009@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <35559.65685.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: > That price HAS GOT to be missing the > decimal point. > > $3200(decimal point)00 Today (the first time I checked) it says "1952 Seeburg Jukebox - $3200 (Dallas Texas)". But there's still something there that isn't right. It says "I can't remember exactly what my dad said about that but in essence he said it needed adjusted..." What in heck does "needed adjusted" mean? I've heard some people from the east coast say things like "My house needs painted" or "My car needs repaired", mixing infinitive and past tenses. But "Needed adjusted"?? That's not just a typo. It's syntactic breakdown. From maddleso at gmu.edu Sat Aug 22 09:46:16 2009 From: maddleso at gmu.edu (Mark Addleson) Date: Sat Aug 22 10:17:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J volume 'unstable' Message-ID: After a few minutes the volume on my AMI drops to next-to-nothing. The drop is sudden, it doesn't fade out. If I fiddle with the volume control and/or the 'fidelity equalizer' it will come back again. It may be stable for a while but will eventually drop off, so you have to rinse and repeat (This problem started a while ago but it was more intermittent. The amp - standard AMI mono amp - was rebuilt (caps replaced and the whole thing checked out by a person who was really thorough) about 15 years ago. I've tested the tubes and they all seem to be fine. Electronics is mostly a mystery to me so I wondered whether the experts could give me a hint about likely causes. Thank you Mark From jay at west.net Sat Aug 22 10:30:54 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Aug 22 10:37:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J volume 'unstable' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A902B4E.3080107@west.net> Mark Addleson wrote: > After a few minutes the volume on my AMI drops to next-to-nothing. The drop > is sudden, it doesn't fade out. If I fiddle with the volume control and/or > the 'fidelity equalizer' it will come back again. It may be stable for a > while but will eventually drop off, so you have to rinse and repeat (This > problem started a while ago but it was more intermittent. The amp - standard > AMI mono amp - was rebuilt (caps replaced and the whole thing checked out by > a person who was really thorough) about 15 years ago. I've tested the tubes > and they all seem to be fine. Electronics is mostly a mystery to me so I > wondered whether the experts could give me a hint about likely causes. Get a spray can of Caig "deOxIt" contact cleaner. Radio Shack may have it, if not, try Parts Express or possibly a local guitar shop. With the power off, spray both the volume control and all of the switches and work them a few times. While you're at it clean the contacts on the mute relay. Spray a strip of copy paper or a business card with DeOxIt, pull it through the contacts until the black stripe disappears. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ibetome at yahoo.com Sat Aug 22 11:03:11 2009 From: ibetome at yahoo.com (TomE) Date: Sat Aug 22 12:01:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Model Q160 Seeburg that rejects the record as soon as it starts playing Message-ID: <766660.50680.qm@web52306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have a Model Q160 Seeburg that rejects the record as soon as it starts playing. The remote volume and reject switch is not connected. Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. New member, TomE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Aug 22 11:03:58 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Aug 22 12:01:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J volume 'unstable' Message-ID: <20090822.140358.7793.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Hello Mark: The problem could be due to a failing vacuum tube. Your sound problem might be thermally triggered. As the defective component heats up, it is causing the loss of signal. A few simple tests you can conduct yourself, to determine if a tube is at fault: 1. Play a record and let the amp chassis heat up until you begin to experience the signal drop. With the eraser end of a pencil, tap gently on each vacuum tube to see if you hear pops, crackles, bursts of sound, etc. If some of the tubes in your amp are outfitted with metal tube shields, remove them for this test. Replace any tubes (or exchange them if you have spares) that seem suspect on a one-at-a-time basis. Another problem that could cause similar symptoms are dirty tube socket contacts or pins on the tube. Generally removing the questionable tube from the socket and reinstalling it (with the power off) will clean dirty socket pins. If a more thorough cleaning is needed, spray socket contacts with contact cleaner (a good one is Caig Labs' De-Oxit) Insert and remove the tube from the socket several times for a cleansing action. Turn the amp back on and test after the contact cleaner solution has dried. 2. There could be a intermittently-shorted power output tube. I think this amp uses a pair of 6L6 output tubes. Try the pencil-tap test. If the audio power or rectifier (5U4) tubes arc and spark when tapped, replace them. Next test----- Look at the tubes carefully in a dimly-lit room and see if the plates in one or both of the 6L6 tubes begin to glow a dull red color after they've been on for awhile. If this is the case you'll probably be able to link the volume drop to the appearance of the red,glowing tubes. The tubes will also run hotter than they should be. This condition indicates that the tube (or tubes) are drawing too much current and should not be operated like this for any length of time. If you do, there could be more amplifier damage. Solutions----If one output tube glows red, turn off the power and swap the two tubes in their sockets----Turn on the power and observe. Did the "red" condition transition to the other socket? If yes, the first tube is likely defective (shorted) and needs replacing. If the "red" condition stayed with the same socket,this indicates a defective capacitor, resistor etc in the circuits associated with this tube. For best audio performance, power output tubes should be changed out as a pair. If both tubes' plates glow red, try installing another pair of good output tubes in their place. If the new tubes plates' begin to glow red, this indicates loss of bias voltage, or an underchassis component (cap/resistor/transformer) failure. To solve this problem you'll likely need to contact,or ship your amp to a technician. Normally, a good amp rebuild job (where all caps got replaced) should last 15-20 years. Another component (resistor, transformer,etc) may have failed on it's own, or a tube failure could have triggered a resistor/cap failure. Good luck in your troubleshooting effort, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Easy-to-use, advanced features, flexible phone systems. Click here for more info. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdhtPFNVSFpb9fOBOg5swDGRDFoBO2NXfyBe9B5KvByHsiUWntl2Q/ From jay at west.net Sat Aug 22 10:36:56 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Aug 22 12:01:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Deal of the century!!!! In-Reply-To: <35559.65685.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <35559.65685.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A902CB8.8070909@west.net> David Breneman wrote: > Today (the first time I checked) it says "1952 Seeburg > Jukebox - $3200 (Dallas Texas)". But there's still > something there that isn't right. It says "I can't > remember exactly what my dad said about that but in > essence he said it needed adjusted..." What in heck > does "needed adjusted" mean? I've heard some people > from the east coast say things like "My house needs > painted" or "My car needs repaired", mixing infinitive > and past tenses. But "Needed adjusted"?? That's not > just a typo. It's syntactic breakdown. Most of the people who post Craigslist and EBay ads aren't English majors. Many are far from it. This can work in your favor if you do searches for things like "Jute box" and "Seeberg". My beef with the ad, in addition to the obvious missing decimal point, is that he's asking a relatively premium price that a top-notch example would bring. Yet he has provided no photos and hasn't even felt the need to fix a coin jam. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pinballpauls at gmail.com Sat Aug 22 11:32:32 2009 From: pinballpauls at gmail.com (Paul Howlett) Date: Sat Aug 22 12:02:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Control Unit Wrong Selections Message-ID: I have a NSM Gemstar ES-V that when you enter selections it pulls the wrong CD (ie. 9901 might play 1301). I put the control unit in another box and it did the same thing. Has anyone seen this problem before? From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Aug 22 10:45:36 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Aug 22 12:02:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J volume 'unstable' In-Reply-To: <4A902B4E.3080107@west.net> References: <4A902B4E.3080107@west.net> Message-ID: <002601ca2350$5b5e1a10$121a4e30$@force9.co.uk> Had same problem on Ami Continental amp, it was the speaker power wattage switch. I could never get rid of it with cleaning so I jumpered the max wattage internally and it has never come back. That was 10+ years ago. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan Sent: 22 August 2009 18:31 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI J volume 'unstable' Mark Addleson wrote: > After a few minutes the volume on my AMI drops to next-to-nothing. The drop > is sudden, it doesn't fade out. If I fiddle with the volume control and/or > the 'fidelity equalizer' it will come back again. It may be stable for a > while but will eventually drop off, so you have to rinse and repeat (This > problem started a while ago but it was more intermittent. The amp - standard > AMI mono amp - was rebuilt (caps replaced and the whole thing checked out by > a person who was really thorough) about 15 years ago. I've tested the tubes > and they all seem to be fine. Electronics is mostly a mystery to me so I > wondered whether the experts could give me a hint about likely causes. Get a spray can of Caig "deOxIt" contact cleaner. Radio Shack may have it, if not, try Parts Express or possibly a local guitar shop. With the power off, spray both the volume control and all of the switches and work them a few times. While you're at it clean the contacts on the mute relay. Spray a strip of copy paper or a business card with DeOxIt, pull it through the contacts until the black stripe disappears. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 22 10:40:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 22 12:03:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Deal of the century!!!! In-Reply-To: <35559.65685.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <615761.28209.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dave, I have made the needed adjustment to my head. I now understand ! ( I think?) Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/22/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Deal of the century!!!! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 8:26 AM --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: > That price HAS GOT to be missing the > decimal point. > > $3200(decimal point)00 Today (the first time I checked) it says "1952 Seeburg Jukebox - $3200 (Dallas Texas)".? But there's still something there that isn't right.? It says "I can't remember exactly what my dad said about that but in essence he said it needed adjusted..."? What in heck does "needed adjusted" mean?? I've heard some people from the east coast say things like "My house needs painted" or "My car needs repaired", mixing infinitive and past tenses.? But "Needed adjusted"??? That's not just a typo.? It's syntactic breakdown. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 22 10:46:20 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 22 12:03:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J volume 'unstable' In-Reply-To: <4A902B4E.3080107@west.net> Message-ID: <706792.43088.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mark, You might also try GENTLY "touching" all the tubes, when the volume is soft, as one or more of the tube pins may be loosing contact (clean with "DeOxIT" FOLLOW instructions on can !). Also--15 years ago, may be getting close to being time to re-do the caps--Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI J volume 'unstable' To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 10:30 AM Mark Addleson wrote: > After a few minutes the volume on my AMI drops to next-to-nothing.? The drop > is sudden, it doesn't fade out.???If I fiddle with the volume control and/or > the 'fidelity equalizer' it will come back again.? It may be stable for a > while but will eventually drop off, so you have to rinse and repeat? (This > problem started a while ago but it was more intermittent. The amp - standard > AMI mono amp - was rebuilt (caps replaced and the whole thing checked out by > a person who was really thorough) about 15 years ago.? I've tested the tubes > and they all seem to be fine.? Electronics is mostly a mystery to me so I > wondered whether the experts could give me a hint about likely causes. Get a spray can of Caig "deOxIt" contact cleaner.? Radio Shack may have it, if not, try Parts Express or possibly a local guitar shop.? With the power off, spray both the volume control and all of the switches and work them a few times. While you're at it clean the contacts on the mute relay.? Spray a strip of copy paper or a business card with DeOxIt, pull it through the contacts until the black stripe disappears. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sat Aug 22 12:24:24 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Aug 22 12:32:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Model Q160 Seeburg that rejects the record as soon as it starts playing In-Reply-To: <766660.50680.qm@web52306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <766660.50680.qm@web52306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A9045E8.1010609@west.net> TomE wrote: > I have a Model Q160 Seeburg that rejects the record as soon as it > starts playing. > > The remote volume and reject switch is not connected. > > Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Check this site: http://home.pacbell.net/fmillera/symptom_2.htm Good troubleshooting info. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Sat Aug 22 12:11:12 2009 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Sat Aug 22 12:32:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Deal of the century!!!! In-Reply-To: <35559.65685.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <35559.65685.qm@web112115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <465903.98385.qm@web86701.mail.ird.yahoo.com> It needed ("to be") adjusted. I know it's not strictly correct - but that not exactly alien to us in the UK (we would say actually that), there are much worse crimes committed against the English language! Norman. ________________________________ From: David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Saturday, 22 August, 2009 4:26:49 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Deal of the century!!!! Today (the first time I checked) it says "1952 Seeburg Jukebox - $3200 (Dallas Texas)". But there's still something there that isn't right. It says "I can't remember exactly what my dad said about that but in essence he said it needed adjusted..." What in heck does "needed adjusted" mean? I've heard some people from the east coast say things like "My house needs painted" or "My car needs repaired", mixing infinitive and past tenses. But "Needed adjusted"?? That's not just a typo. It's syntactic breakdown. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Aug 22 13:05:03 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Aug 22 13:28:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J volume 'unstable' In-Reply-To: <20090822.140358.7793.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <547962.93982.qm@web112114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 8/22/09, James Alexander wrote: > Normally, a good amp rebuild job (where all caps got > replaced) should last 15-20 years. I thought that modern capacitors were not subject to the deterioration of older paper/wax types. Is this not true? From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Aug 22 13:52:34 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Aug 22 14:27:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI J volume 'unstable' Message-ID: <20090822.165234.22820.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Hello David: The "new" molded capacitors are built to higher standards and will hold their specs better than the old wax and paper models of the 40's and 50's did, but they still do deteriorate with time,environmental exposure, electrical stress on them, etc. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQ343Xi5XHiZ5YZJeqAtgsYbYQfYkXzjUVxsb2uRs6cvEZRT0mBW4/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 22 14:50:46 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 22 14:58:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Deal of the century!!!! In-Reply-To: <465903.98385.qm@web86701.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <994136.49308.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Norman I could say something (that I think) is witty, like, I thought that the whole English Language was "alien" to you guys, but I won't--'cause the guy who gets Blackberried will get angry-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/22/09, NORMAN MACRAE wrote: From: NORMAN MACRAE Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Deal of the century!!!! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 12:11 PM It needed ("to be") adjusted. I know it's not strictly correct - but that not exactly alien to us in the UK (we would say actually that), there are much worse crimes committed against the English language! Norman. ________________________________ From: David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Saturday, 22 August, 2009 4:26:49 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Deal of the century!!!! Today (the first time I checked) it says "1952 Seeburg Jukebox - $3200 (Dallas Texas)".? But there's still something there that isn't right.? It says "I can't remember exactly what my dad said about that but in essence he said it needed adjusted..."? What in heck does "needed adjusted" mean?? I've heard some people from the east coast say things like "My house needs painted" or "My car needs repaired", mixing infinitive and past tenses.? But "Needed adjusted"??? That's not just a typo.? It's syntactic breakdown. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.n