From dave.halford at telent.com Wed Apr 1 00:15:14 2009 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Wed Apr 1 00:25:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome Work, off topic, general plating In-Reply-To: <403902D9590C4622AFE054B26764E49B@Lyn> Message-ID: <20090401071447.B672920F010@blade202.lb.inty.net> For the UK there is this http://www.caswelleurope.co.uk/index.htm also a .com site for the US with a massive DIY forum even if you don't do your own (and I seem to recall someone on here buying a kit) all the pitfall are explained. regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 08:16:07 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Apr 1 08:17:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 Message-ID: <193140.89360.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ""WI" is short for "Write-in"--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 3/31/09, James McClave wrote: From: James McClave Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSR3 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 9:26 PM Thanks Ron, the .068 is one of the first I replaced as I think its used in the write-in mode. Just for curiosity , why is it called the "wi" cap.?? jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 09:01:30 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Apr 1 09:03:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC480 Reversing relay Message-ID: <363839.46475.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Iain, Look closely at the contacts--you will probably find that they have "burned" and or "pitted". This was due to a mal-adjustment, and the burn/pit must be removed, the points burnished with a "burnishing tool" (or replaced) and be re-adjusted to spec. The other thing that can cause this problem is a loose armature. If the ("brown") fiber "plate" that pulls the blades down is loose at the point were it is connected to the metal armature, it causes the blades to be pulled "unevenly". The "cure" for this that I use, is to glue the metal to the fiber with a bead of model airplane cement at the top/bottom where they join together--then re-adjust the blades. Ronn Rich --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Iain Jamieson wrote: From: Iain Jamieson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC480 Reversing relay To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 9:45 PM Hi, I have an LPC480 that is having a problem with the Reversing relay switches mounted on the Mechanism. Problem is about 40% of the time when the relay activates to change mechanism direction, there is a large spark in the top set of make and break switches. This also causes the Fluorescent tubes to flick off and come back on. It only does it when changing from left scan to right scan direction. I have checked the switches and the bottom switch breaks before the top switch makes. Anyone have any suggestions on this? Thanks Iain _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From johnmc2 at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 1 10:11:21 2009 From: johnmc2 at sbcglobal.net (John McDowell) Date: Wed Apr 1 10:19:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-86 displays "3" in service mode Message-ID: <00cf01c9b2ec$e253ab90$a6fb02b0$@net> I have a Rowe R-86 with a CCC 6-08870-01, was working great then just stopped, when the service switch is placed in service, the display on the CCC shows the number "3" , Not sure what this means, power supply LED's are illuminated, but the carousel will not move in scan mode and the system appears to be dead except for the "8 volt lED" is on. When you power on the system the fluorescent lights come on and the power supply lights come on but nothing else happens. Not sure what is going on here with it, any help would be appreciated. CES Services 4825 FM 1187 Burleson, Tx 76028 cesinc@sbcglobal.net 817-483-0052 From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 1 13:36:45 2009 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Wed Apr 1 13:38:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" References: <97105.46532.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't think they were shipped with that decal from the factory. My 1015 with original glass doesn't have one but my 1080 with original glass does. Maybe the operators put them on? William Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" Hi All, Anyone with an original Wurly 1015 can answer this--was there a ""Wurlitzer Decal" on the front glass--or (as my great, but not too long memory informs me) was the name on the background artwork?--See eBay # 150 334 500 929 Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Wed Apr 1 13:43:39 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Wed Apr 1 13:45:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 In-Reply-To: References: <97105.46532.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Can I get the group's opinion on something please? Is a Wurlitzer 1015 converted over to 45rpm worth less than one that is on 78? Is a 45 rpm conversion less desireable? Thanks in advance everyone. Mike _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 13:56:49 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Apr 1 13:58:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Message-ID: <627115.51049.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 2 cents--worth less--Ron? Rich --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 1:43 PM Can I get the group's opinion on something please? Is a Wurlitzer 1015 converted over to 45rpm worth less than one that is on 78? Is a 45 rpm conversion less desireable? Thanks in advance everyone. Mike _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately.? Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Wed Apr 1 14:06:25 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Wed Apr 1 14:08:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 References: <97105.46532.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5B6EB21622BC4B90B79B9A34DF23C77C@JUKEBUS> ...Yes, worth less - but it can be converted back with some work and some parts. (That's what I would do!) Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Can I get the group's opinion on something please? Is a Wurlitzer 1015 converted over to 45rpm worth less than one that is on 78? Is a 45 rpm conversion less desireable? Thanks in advance everyone. Mike _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.35/2034 - Release Date: 04/01/09 06:06:00 From PhilcoKid2 at cs.com Wed Apr 1 14:18:32 2009 From: PhilcoKid2 at cs.com (PhilcoKid2@cs.com) Date: Wed Apr 1 14:26:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Message-ID: Worthless but worth converting back. My 2 (hmmm. no "cent" key on keyboard.) cents... Donald From jeffzurn at cox.net Wed Apr 1 14:47:45 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Wed Apr 1 14:49:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 References: Message-ID: <000f01c9b313$7e170c40$b5e74109@ZURNT60> "depends" I've had buyers contact me specifically looking for original 1015s on 45s... Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 > Worthless but worth converting back. > > My 2 (hmmm. no "cent" key on keyboard.) cents... > > Donald > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Apr 1 15:00:16 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:03:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Case of the missing "W" Message-ID: <20090401.180016.8759.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> RE: W 1015 OMT dome glass lettering Gentlemen: Earlier in this thread someone asked what lettering is on the current dome glass of the W 1015 OMT jukes. I had to replace a broken glass 2 weeks ago. The current Gibson-made OMT jukes have gold leaf lettering in an arc around the top right that reads "the real one".in lower case letters. No Wurlitzer logo on the glass. The CD version of the jukebox glass has lettering that says "compact disc" at the lower right corner in smaller letters. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Easy-to-use, advanced features, flexible phone systems. Click here for more info. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdhtSZRolVzqR3NBURO0FQiSKGlv5yLkYmwTa83audWZ6cKwn9ud6/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 15:03:25 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:05:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Message-ID: <530368.29299.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: > I've had buyers contact me specifically looking for > original 1015s on 45s... Original on 45? There's an oxymoron. I can't see why anyone would want a machine like that in anything but original configuration. Light pickups and things like that I can understand, but if you want a "1015" that plays 45s, why not buy an OMT? From jeffzurn at cox.net Wed Apr 1 15:26:55 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:28:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 References: <530368.29299.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c9b318$f69a8ac0$b5e74109@ZURNT60> True... this customer was not 'keen' on the 'plasti-chrome' on the OMTs, but definitely wanted an ORIGINAL 1946-47 Wurlitzer 1015, modified to play 45s. To each their own... and 'value' is only defined by what someone will pay for (or be paid to part with) something, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: > >> I've had buyers contact me specifically looking for >> original 1015s on 45s... > > Original on 45? There's an oxymoron. I can't see > why anyone would want a machine like that in anything > but original configuration. Light pickups and things > like that I can understand, but if you want a "1015" > that plays 45s, why not buy an OMT? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From steve at pro-ns.net Wed Apr 1 15:33:16 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:34:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 In-Reply-To: <530368.29299.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <530368.29299.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090401223316.GR27083@pro-ns.net> On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 03:03:25PM -0700, David Breneman wrote: > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: > > > I've had buyers contact me specifically looking for > > original 1015s on 45s... > > Original on 45? There's an oxymoron. I can't see > why anyone would want a machine like that in anything > but original configuration. Light pickups and things > like that I can understand, but if you want a "1015" > that plays 45s, why not buy an OMT? I'm kind of being a devils advocate here, but the 45 conversion kits were out in the time period where 1015s were still viable in route locations, right? So, wanting one just like the one you saw in the local diner when you were a kid, which I believe drives a small percentage of jukebox purchases, still possibly applies to a 1015 on 45? I believe the mech is much different from an OMT. If you want one that has the old mech, but plays the records you have (and you happen to have 45's, not 78's), it would seem reasonable to me. That they're not worth as much would be icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned. :-) Considering that they can be found already converted to 45 makes this a much more reasonable thing than buying one that currently plays 78s and converting it. Like I said, that's all devil's advocate. Personally, if I was to get a golden age machine, I'd rather have a 1100. But I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that those are for the REAL collectors, not the dabblers like myself! I'm happy with the F-120 and 2410 I have now, anyway; so those who think I'm speaking blasphemy don't have to worry about me desecrating an actual 78 juke... --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 16:49:59 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Apr 1 16:51:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Message-ID: <493974.81604.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Wahl wrote: > I'm kind of being a devils advocate here, but the 45 > conversion kits > were out in the time period where 1015s were still viable > in route locations, right?? I suppose that's possible, in some out of the way places or poor areas. But 1015s were getting pretty long in the tooth by the mid-50s. Remember, there'd be no reason to convert one to 45 until the point that 78s started disappearing from the market, and that was around 1956 or 1957. Most major labels stopped pressing 78s in 1958 (the newest one I own is "At the Hop" on ABC/Paramount, a hit in the summer of 1958). In a lot of poor areas of the South, 78 machines held on a lot longer precisely because blues and hillbilly records were pressed in 78 long after other styles of music had abandoned 78s in favor of 45s or LPs. I talked to an operator in Tacoma who told me that he had to pay the local dump $25 apiece to take 1015s off his hands in the early 50s. Nobody wanted them. They looked like antiques in an era when fluorescent lights and chrome were the 50s styling idiom. However, you do see them in 1950s diners *in movies*. I would say that the 1015 as a 1950s jukebox is an implanted memory. Even "Back to the Future", which did a very good job covering little details, has a 1015 in the local cafe. They're associated with the 1950s because of clueless Hollywood set designers more than any other reason. From radziwon at cox.net Wed Apr 1 17:17:56 2009 From: radziwon at cox.net (radziwon) Date: Wed Apr 1 17:43:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 Lubrication Type Message-ID: I have a Seeburg 222 and it calls out lubeing with Stanodrip #29 and Aero Lubriplate and Seeburg Special Purpose oil No. 53014. Are there common substitutions for the above? From drjukebox at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 18:21:53 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Wed Apr 1 18:23:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1015 stories (was: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015) Message-ID: <3154d3690904011821r17e75e79w2a883f4f1f90c830@mail.gmail.com> -I have a Belgian friend who as a kid helped his father scrap 1015s, just for the copper. -Another friend found two 1015s in a junkyard near Stockholm, early 60s, he took the speakers out and kept those. -Swedish coin-op operator Brammefjord went by his colleague Rathsman, who was one of the larger operators at the time, also around 1960. Rathsman was busy disfiguring 1015s in the yard with an ax. Brammefjord said it was sad to see those nice jukeboxes being torn apart. Rathsman said he could take one and keep for himself. Brammefjord picked the only one that was converted to 45s. I think he still has it in his living room -Mats Ericsson, operator in Stockholm, was replacing a 1015 in a cafe with a brand new Wurlitzer 1900. He asked if any of the patrons in the place would be willing to take the 1015 for free, just to get rid of it. Nobody wanted it. I don't think many 1015s were converted to 45 rpm in US. For myself, I would choose a jukebox designed to play 45s if I wanted to play 45s. But to each his own. They can be converted and reconverted without any cosmetical changes, so it is no big deal. Now I have a Wurlitzer 1500A in the basement. Only machine that can play BOTH formats. Intermixed! It should be worth 10000 dollars. Jens On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:49 AM, David Breneman wrote: > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Wahl wrote: > > > I'm kind of being a devils advocate here, but the 45 > > conversion kits > > were out in the time period where 1015s were still viable > > in route locations, right? > > I suppose that's possible, in some out of the way places > or poor areas. But 1015s were getting pretty long in the > tooth by the mid-50s. Remember, there'd be no reason to > convert one to 45 until the point that 78s started > disappearing from the market, and that was around 1956 > or 1957. Most major labels stopped pressing 78s in 1958 > (the newest one I own is "At the Hop" on ABC/Paramount, > a hit in the summer of 1958). In a lot of poor areas of > the South, 78 machines held on a lot longer precisely > because blues and hillbilly records were pressed in 78 > long after other styles of music had abandoned 78s in > favor of 45s or LPs. > > I talked to an operator in Tacoma who told me that he had > to pay the local dump $25 apiece to take 1015s off his > hands in the early 50s. Nobody wanted them. They looked > like antiques in an era when fluorescent lights and > chrome were the 50s styling idiom. > > However, you do see them in 1950s diners *in movies*. > I would say that the 1015 as a 1950s jukebox is an > implanted memory. Even "Back to the Future", which > did a very good job covering little details, has a > 1015 in the local cafe. They're associated with the > 1950s because of clueless Hollywood set designers > more than any other reason. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From gibson510 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 1 18:30:18 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Wed Apr 1 18:31:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Grand Peformer II CD JUKE Message-ID: Just picked up a nice one of these for my son. It's missing the programming key for the back and a service manual. I also need the coin entry plate as it was only setup to take bills. I'd like to set it on free play but i need the key and I don't know the programming sequence. I tell you what, I'm a die hard vinyl guy but this thing cranks loud and clean! Thanks! Rick Murray _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile1_042009 From wurlitzeronthefritz at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 18:34:56 2009 From: wurlitzeronthefritz at gmail.com (Making a Repair) Date: Wed Apr 1 18:36:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan In-Reply-To: <633344.92984.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <633344.92984.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92727260904011834v107deadev89edcf66ba47bf86@mail.gmail.com> Last night I got the juke bos to scan, load a record and play it. However, I did this all by holding down the cancel button on the amp. I let up once the record was loaded. I am sure I am close. On 3/30/09, Ron Rich wrote: > When you say that you "adjusted" the switch, what do you mean ? Did you > adjust the switch actuating screw, or the switch contact blades ?? If you > did not check the contacts for dirty, pitted, silver points, then use a > "Burnishing tool" on them, the may "look" good, but be failing to make good > contact .? Measure the resistance (with the power OFF) of the contacts to be > sure they are good.? Ron? Rich > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Making a Repair wrote: > > From: Making a Repair > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 4:07 PM > > Looking for some input.? I have a wurlitzer 2300 that will not scan. > > When I make a selection a pin is released in the selector unit.???The wobble > plate engages the override switch.???I have confirmed that power is going to > the reverse switch.???However, the motor will not spin nor search for the > raised pin. > > I have also confirmed that the motor runs in both directions.???I have got > the motor to move in the scan mode but, it only once when I tinkered with > the transfer switch.???I have adjusted the transfer switch per the manual > but, it still will not scan. > > Thoughts from anyone. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 18:41:35 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Apr 1 18:43:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Message-ID: <504444.29204.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I know one local operator ( who's in his late 80's--and still "workin'") here who claims to have taken at least 100 of them to the dumps--- Ron Rich --- On Wed, 4/1/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 4:49 PM --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Wahl wrote: > I'm kind of being a devils advocate here, but the 45 > conversion kits > were out in the time period where 1015s were still viable > in route locations, right?? I suppose that's possible, in some out of the way places or poor areas.? But 1015s were getting pretty long in the tooth by the mid-50s.? Remember, there'd be no reason to convert one to 45 until the point that 78s started disappearing from the market, and that was around 1956 or 1957.? Most major labels stopped pressing 78s in 1958 (the newest one I own is "At the Hop" on ABC/Paramount, a hit in the summer of 1958).? In a lot of poor areas of the South, 78 machines held on a lot longer precisely because blues and hillbilly records were pressed in 78 long after other styles of music had abandoned 78s in favor of 45s or LPs. I talked to an operator in Tacoma who told me that he had to pay the local dump $25 apiece to take 1015s off his hands in the early 50s.? Nobody wanted them.? They looked like antiques in an era when fluorescent lights and chrome were the 50s styling idiom. However, you do see them in 1950s diners *in movies*. I would say that the 1015 as a 1950s jukebox is an implanted memory.? Even "Back to the Future", which did a very good job covering little details, has a 1015 in the local cafe.? They're associated with the 1950s because of clueless Hollywood set designers more than any other reason. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 18:48:40 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Wed Apr 1 18:50:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 In-Reply-To: <493974.81604.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <493974.81604.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690904011848s2c969f56v541a7b076b11948@mail.gmail.com> rtOh, one more thing. I think they made an honest mistake when they were building the sets for "Back to the future". In the mad scientist's laboratory there was a Seeburg C. In the coffee shop there was a 1015 and 3W1s in the booths. I think someone decided to switch machines, whereas the guy who supplied the props probably had the right idea from the start. Jens On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:49 AM, David Breneman wrote: However, you do see them in 1950s diners *in movies*. > I would say that the 1015 as a 1950s jukebox is an > implanted memory. Even "Back to the Future", which > did a very good job covering little details, has a > 1015 in the local cafe. They're associated with the > 1950s because of clueless Hollywood set designers > more than any other reason. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 18:48:50 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Apr 1 18:50:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 Lubrication Type Message-ID: <651578.91264.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> "Stanodrip # 29"--where do you see that?--and where are you supposed to use it ? I strongly suggest that you sub ONLY,? SAE 20wt. ND oil for "Seeburg oil", and that unless you have removed ALL the "grease", that you use a drop of? the oil as a sub. If you have removed ALL the grease, the factory used # 3 Dixon Graphite grease--which is very hard to find, so I suggest that you sub a very small amount of "CRC Stay-lube Moly-graph" grease.? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 4/1/09, radziwon wrote: From: radziwon Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 Lubrication Type To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 5:17 PM I have a Seeburg 222 and it calls out lubeing with Stanodrip #29 and Aero Lubriplate and Seeburg Special Purpose oil No. 53014. Are there common substitutions for the above? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 18:53:19 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Wed Apr 1 18:54:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan In-Reply-To: <92727260904011834v107deadev89edcf66ba47bf86@mail.gmail.com> References: <633344.92984.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92727260904011834v107deadev89edcf66ba47bf86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690904011853u6dc4e1e7u7e18ca6a950ab580@mail.gmail.com> Me thinks you still have a bad connection in the transfer switch. Sometimes cleaning is not enough and you need to adjust the switch blades a little to increase the pressure between the contact points. Jens On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Making a Repair < wurlitzeronthefritz@gmail.com> wrote: > Last night I got the juke bos to scan, load a record and play it. > However, I did this all by holding down the cancel button on the amp. > I let up once the record was loaded. I am sure I am close. > > On 3/30/09, Ron Rich wrote: > > When you say that you "adjusted" the switch, what do you mean ? Did you > > adjust the switch actuating screw, or the switch contact blades ? If you > > did not check the contacts for dirty, pitted, silver points, then use a > > "Burnishing tool" on them, the may "look" good, but be failing to make > good > > contact . Measure the resistance (with the power OFF) of the contacts to > be > > sure they are good. Ron Rich > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Making a Repair > wrote: > > > > From: Making a Repair > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 4:07 PM > > > > Looking for some input. I have a wurlitzer 2300 that will not scan. > > > > When I make a selection a pin is released in the selector unit. The > wobble > > plate engages the override switch. I have confirmed that power is going > to > > the reverse switch. However, the motor will not spin nor search for the > > raised pin. > > > > I have also confirmed that the motor runs in both directions. I have > got > > the motor to move in the scan mode but, it only once when I tinkered with > > the transfer switch. I have adjusted the transfer switch per the manual > > but, it still will not scan. > > > > Thoughts from anyone. > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 19:26:30 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Apr 1 19:28:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1015 stories (was: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015) Message-ID: <326929.78483.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Jens Hultgren wrote: > Now I have a Wurlitzer 1500A in the basement. Only machine > that can play > BOTH formats. Intermixed! It should be worth 10000 > dollars. Now that glorious kludge of a beast is a machine I'd love to own! I heard that they could play 7" 33 RPM records as well. Maybe that's just folklore. I understand that they were a nightmare to keep adjusted on location, but with the gentle use they get in homes they are pretty reliable. Wurlitzer's last gasp at saving the once-omnipotent Simplex mechanism. From jeremy at dwave.net Wed Apr 1 19:35:31 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Wed Apr 1 19:37:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Grand Peformer II CD JUKE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090402023311.M81324@dwave.net> I think the program key is just a on and off switch (you should be able to bypass it with a jumper wire). Keep an eye on Ebay for a manual. There are a few sources for used parts also. Jeremy Agema On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 21:30:18 -0400, rick murray wrote > Just picked up a nice one of these for my son. It's missing the > programming key for the back and a service manual. I also need the > coin entry plate as it was only setup to take bills. I'd like to set > it on free play but i need the key and I don't know the programming sequence. > > I tell you what, I'm a die hard vinyl guy but this thing cranks loud > and clean! > > Thanks! > > Rick Murray > > _________________________________________________________________ > Rediscover Hotmail?: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry > http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile1_042009_______________________________ ________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From radziwon at cox.net Wed Apr 1 19:38:17 2009 From: radziwon at cox.net (radziwon) Date: Wed Apr 1 19:39:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 Lubrication Type Message-ID: <060C4C9A1B6540A68898650CD51AD412@radziwonjzwhq8> I got the lubes from the Seeburg service manual From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 20:03:17 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Apr 1 20:04:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 Lubrication Type Message-ID: <205379.2269.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Do you have the manual # --Page # ? ?? --- On Wed, 4/1/09, radziwon wrote: From: radziwon Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 Lubrication Type To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 7:38 PM I got the lubes from the Seeburg service manual _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 20:16:26 2009 From: jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Wed Apr 1 20:18:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ROWE R-86 Message-ID: <521992.93636.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Well without sounding stupid, do you have the manual? My first suggestion is to check every pin and every connector in the jukebox. Do you have a multi-meter? Check the votlages at the mech board connection. Good Luck. John the Jukebox Man From steve at pro-ns.net Wed Apr 1 21:32:39 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Wed Apr 1 21:34:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 In-Reply-To: <493974.81604.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <493974.81604.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090402043239.GG3218@pro-ns.net> On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 04:49:59PM -0700, David Breneman wrote: > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Wahl wrote: > > > I'm kind of being a devils advocate here, but the 45 > > conversion kits > > were out in the time period where 1015s were still viable > > in route locations, right?? > > I suppose that's possible, in some out of the way places > or poor areas. But 1015s were getting pretty long in the > tooth by the mid-50s. Remember, there'd be no reason to > convert one to 45 until the point that 78s started > disappearing from the market, and that was around 1956 > or 1957. I think I get your reasoning. But the 45 conversions exist, and they seem to originate from before the 1015s were once again valuable. If they weren't on location somewhere, why bother installing the conversion? > However, you do see them in 1950s diners *in movies*. > I would say that the 1015 as a 1950s jukebox is an > implanted memory. Even "Back to the Future", which > did a very good job covering little details, has a > 1015 in the local cafe. They're associated with the > 1950s because of clueless Hollywood set designers > more than any other reason. I think there's often a two step association going on. People strongly associate jukeboxes with the 50s. And people strongly associate the 1015 with jukeboxes. Then they connect the two together and mistakenly associate the 1015 with the 50s. But the original question was why is there any demand for a "real" 1015 setup to play 45s, as opposed to just getting a OMT. I suggested perhaps as a kid they saw an original on location playing 45s, and wanted one like it. Since that's not sounding very likely, how about this: what they saw as a kid was a 78 playing 1015, loved the mech, but their record collection has 45s but no 78s, and they don't really remember all that well what speed the one they saw in their youth played, anyway? --> Stee -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Nobody escapes the Spanish Inquisition! \S\p\a\n\i\s\h\ \I\n\q\u\i\s\i\t\i\o\n -- bash.org #694821 From PhilcoKid2 at cs.com Wed Apr 1 22:16:11 2009 From: PhilcoKid2 at cs.com (PhilcoKid2@cs.com) Date: Wed Apr 1 22:24:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Message-ID: As many postings make reference to trashed and destroyed boxes, it's a wonder there are that many of them left... Donald From Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu Wed Apr 1 22:30:28 2009 From: Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu (Tyler, Ronald) Date: Wed Apr 1 22:38:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan References: <633344.92984.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92727260904011834v107deadev89edcf66ba47bf86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The NC contact on the reject switch is bad... Ron Tyler ________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of Making a Repair Sent: Wed 4/1/2009 6:34 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan Last night I got the juke bos to scan, load a record and play it. However, I did this all by holding down the cancel button on the amp. I let up once the record was loaded. I am sure I am close. On 3/30/09, Ron Rich wrote: > When you say that you "adjusted" the switch, what do you mean ? Did you > adjust the switch actuating screw, or the switch contact blades ? If you > did not check the contacts for dirty, pitted, silver points, then use a > "Burnishing tool" on them, the may "look" good, but be failing to make good > contact . Measure the resistance (with the power OFF) of the contacts to be > sure they are good. Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Making a Repair wrote: > > From: Making a Repair > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 4:07 PM > > Looking for some input. I have a wurlitzer 2300 that will not scan. > > When I make a selection a pin is released in the selector unit. The wobble > plate engages the override switch. I have confirmed that power is going to > the reverse switch. However, the motor will not spin nor search for the > raised pin. > > I have also confirmed that the motor runs in both directions. I have got > the motor to move in the scan mode but, it only once when I tinkered with > the transfer switch. I have adjusted the transfer switch per the manual > but, it still will not scan. > > Thoughts from anyone. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinballrepair at paradise.net.nz Wed Apr 1 22:41:49 2009 From: pinballrepair at paradise.net.nz (Iain Jamieson) Date: Wed Apr 1 22:43:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC480 Reversing relay Message-ID: <49D4501D.3080006@paradise.net.nz> Hi Ron, I had built a new fibre plate, the old bakelite one fell apart when i removed the switch stack. I'll be checking for condition of the contacts. I suppose that the specs for setting the clearance is in the LPC480 manual? Thanks Iain Iain, Look closely at the contacts--you will probably find that they have "burned" and or "pitted". This was due to a mal-adjustment, and the burn/pit must be removed, the points burnished with a "burnishing tool" (or replaced) and be re-adjusted to spec. The other thing that can cause this problem is a loose armature. If the ("brown") fiber "plate" that pulls the blades down is loose at the point were it is connected to the metal armature, it causes the blades to be pulled "unevenly". The "cure" for this that I use, is to glue the metal to the fiber with a bead of model airplane cement at the top/bottom where they join together--then re-adjust the blades. Ronn Rich From chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 2 01:13:40 2009 From: chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk (Chris K Tanner) Date: Thu Apr 2 01:17:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 References: <530368.29299.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20090401223316.GR27083@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: I read that there was a problem of exploding bubble tubes on early 1015's and that as a quick fix while the problem was sorted out Wurlitzer fitted plastic "Barley Twists" in place of the tubes and heaters. One of the machines which I restored had these twists fitted. I restored the box with the heaters and bubble tubes. Any body wants these barley twists , contact me. Cjhris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Wahl" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 03:03:25PM -0700, David Breneman wrote: >> >> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: >> >> > I've had buyers contact me specifically looking for >> > original 1015s on 45s... >> >> Original on 45? There's an oxymoron. I can't see >> why anyone would want a machine like that in anything >> but original configuration. Light pickups and things >> like that I can understand, but if you want a "1015" >> that plays 45s, why not buy an OMT? > > I'm kind of being a devils advocate here, but the 45 conversion kits > were out in the time period where 1015s were still viable in route > locations, right? > > So, wanting one just like the one you saw in the local diner when you > were a kid, which I believe drives a small percentage of jukebox > purchases, still possibly applies to a 1015 on 45? > > I believe the mech is much different from an OMT. If you want one > that has the old mech, but plays the records you have (and you happen > to have 45's, not 78's), it would seem reasonable to me. > > That they're not worth as much would be icing on the cake as far as > I'm concerned. :-) > > Considering that they can be found already converted to 45 makes this > a much more reasonable thing than buying one that currently plays 78s > and converting it. > > Like I said, that's all devil's advocate. Personally, if I was to get > a golden age machine, I'd rather have a 1100. But I'm pretty much > resigned to the fact that those are for the REAL collectors, not the > dabblers like myself! > > I'm happy with the F-120 and 2410 I have now, anyway; so those who > think I'm speaking blasphemy don't have to worry about me desecrating > an actual 78 juke... > > --> Steve > > -- > Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.11.30/2025 - Release Date: 3/26/2009 8:05 PM From chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 2 01:15:30 2009 From: chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk (Chris K Tanner) Date: Thu Apr 2 01:19:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 References: <493974.81604.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In the same vein a 1050 appears in the 50's era "Grease" movie. 25 years before it's time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Wahl wrote: > I'm kind of being a devils advocate here, but the 45 > conversion kits > were out in the time period where 1015s were still viable > in route locations, right? I suppose that's possible, in some out of the way places or poor areas. But 1015s were getting pretty long in the tooth by the mid-50s. Remember, there'd be no reason to convert one to 45 until the point that 78s started disappearing from the market, and that was around 1956 or 1957. Most major labels stopped pressing 78s in 1958 (the newest one I own is "At the Hop" on ABC/Paramount, a hit in the summer of 1958). In a lot of poor areas of the South, 78 machines held on a lot longer precisely because blues and hillbilly records were pressed in 78 long after other styles of music had abandoned 78s in favor of 45s or LPs. I talked to an operator in Tacoma who told me that he had to pay the local dump $25 apiece to take 1015s off his hands in the early 50s. Nobody wanted them. They looked like antiques in an era when fluorescent lights and chrome were the 50s styling idiom. However, you do see them in 1950s diners *in movies*. I would say that the 1015 as a 1950s jukebox is an implanted memory. Even "Back to the Future", which did a very good job covering little details, has a 1015 in the local cafe. They're associated with the 1950s because of clueless Hollywood set designers more than any other reason. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.11.30/2025 - Release Date: 3/26/2009 8:05 PM From chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 2 01:09:17 2009 From: chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk (Chris K Tanner) Date: Thu Apr 2 01:28:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 References: <530368.29299.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000801c9b318$f69a8ac0$b5e74109@ZURNT60> Message-ID: I have a surplus 1015 (restored) if anybody wants one. Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Zurn" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 > > True... this customer was not 'keen' on the 'plasti-chrome' on the OMTs, > but > definitely wanted > an ORIGINAL 1946-47 Wurlitzer 1015, modified to play 45s. > > To each their own... and 'value' is only defined by what someone will pay > for (or be paid to part with) something, > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Breneman" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 > > >> >> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Jeff Zurn wrote: >> >>> I've had buyers contact me specifically looking for >>> original 1015s on 45s... >> >> Original on 45? There's an oxymoron. I can't see >> why anyone would want a machine like that in anything >> but original configuration. Light pickups and things >> like that I can understand, but if you want a "1015" >> that plays 45s, why not buy an OMT? >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.11.30/2025 - Release Date: 3/26/2009 8:05 PM From Alan-hood at datex.co.uk Thu Apr 2 01:57:24 2009 From: Alan-hood at datex.co.uk (Alan-hood@datex.co.uk) Date: Thu Apr 2 01:51:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-86 displays "3" in service mode Message-ID: <655B3C747F0C0641901676E8D84957A0012908@NTPDC1> Hello, Rowe R-86 displays "3" in service mode The problem may be down to dry (cold joints USA) on the pricing board, CCC or mechanism control board. Check all the board above for dry joints. If this is not the problem then send in your boards to a Rowe Ami board specialist, there are a number in the USA and myself in the UK. Regards Alan Hood ami-man UK alan-hood@datex.co.uk ____________________________________________________________________ DISCLAIMER The information and any attachment with this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please notify the sender and delete the message immediately. Unauthorised disclosure, distribution and copying of this email are strictly prohibited The opinions expressed within this message are those of the individual author. Whilst Datex Systems takes reasonable steps to scan this email it does not accept liability for any virus that may be contained in it. ____________________________________________________________________ From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Thu Apr 2 04:03:27 2009 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Thu Apr 2 04:11:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSMII continuously rejects record References: <49D236F9.4060201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <760954.95503.qm@web86702.mail.ird.yahoo.com> I haven't played with an ESII NSM for a number of years so I'm not as "on the ball" here?as I could be.? In the play cycle, the machine is operating under the control of the CCU.? Change from record transfer to play is initiated via an opto switch - could it be worth checking that?? Again this switch goes via the CCU. I have only some some odd diagrams for ESII.? I do have an ESIII manual.? I haven't been a lot of help really but it looks like the only reply you're going to get! Norman. ________________________________ From: johndt3 To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009 4:30:01 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSMII continuously rejects record You're probably thinking, this is an easy one. Before you assume that, let me tell you what I have already done. First, this is the symptoms.? The motor relay pulls in and stays in all the time.? The carriage scans to the record picks it up, starts to enter the play position. Before the tonearm reaches the record it rejects and returns the record to the record rack and moves on to the next record and does the same.? The motor relay did not release any time during the sequence...If I release the motor relay at the proper time by hand, the relay does not try to pull back and the jukebox will play the record but there is no sound,-it's like the amplifier is muted. Also, if I don't release the motor relay by hand the motor relay releases only when turning the jukebox off and then the motor relay does not release for about 10 seconds after power is off. Obviously, my problem is, one,-the motor relay is not releasing to break the carriage motor and allow it to go into the play possession completely,-so the carriage motor continues to turn and it returns the record to the record rack. And secondly, the amplifier seems to be staying in the muted mode,-this is tied in somehow with the motor relay and the position of the tonearm when it begins to play the record,-I believe it has to do with timing, but I'm not sure. Here are the steps I have taken. ? 1. Replaced the BS switch and adjusted it with a meter to be sure a proper operation. ? 2. Adjusted the spring lever to approximately the center position of the dowel, and spun the motor by hand to make sure that the spring lever was returning to the top of the dowel. ? 3. Unplugged the reject button from the amplifier unit. ? 4. Tested all components on the scan board.(found C206 to be almost 20% out of tolerance.? This was tested with a multimeter capacitor tester and not with a capacitor tester that would put it under its max load. This is tied in with the reject circuit as part of a timing to activate the breaking circuit on the motor.? I did not change this capacitor yet because the sequence that should have taken place before the breaking was that the motor relay should have dropped out before the timing circuit comes into play, and the motor relay had not dropped out.) ? 5. The reject circuit also goes to the control in a central unit to pin 16 of the IC 1. The data sheet for 75468 chip shows pin 16 to be an output,-so I'm completely lost on this one as it goes to the ground side of the motor relay as does all the other reject circuits. ? 6. Tested T111, R 176, R 168, R 167, and diode 122on both channels of the amplifier as it shows this to be part of the reject circuit. ? 7. Unplugged the entire reject circuit coming from the carriage to the amplifier unit.? (This includes the the tonearm optic switch which I had already replaced.) None of the steps taken allow the motor relay to drop out as it should, and as I said it only dropped out after is the power is turned off and then it took about 10 seconds. I have considered the possibility that the motor relay is magnetized, as it does not pull back in after I release it manually which would make one think that it is magnetized, unless it had a self holding circuit, which it does not.? However, at no other time will the relay dropout, unless I turn the jukebox off, and then it takes 8 to 10 seconds each time... consistently.? It is not intermittent, also, after talking with a long time NSM repairman,-he said that he had never found one to be magnetized, (nevertheless, I am not ruling this out completely.) I am really lost on this one and could use any help that I can get.? I was told that I might want to check the spring lever reset with the motor running instead of doing it manually.? I intend to do that, however the jukeboxes in one place and all the components that I have is in another,-so I can't do that until I return to where the jukebox is.? I want to be sure that I have done everything that I can with the individual components before driving back across town to the jukebox.? Also, trying to troubleshoot their is difficult and inconvenient. Looking forward to any and all suggestions. Thanks John D. Taylor III _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From nikola1955 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 04:49:52 2009 From: nikola1955 at yahoo.com (Hans) Date: Thu Apr 2 04:58:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day Message-ID: <717042.44779.qm@web45705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> When I turn on my Wurlitzer 2300S, the first 3 to 4 minutes of the first single is played with a cracking sound from the loudspeakers. It sounds like a contact is making and breaking or, as my wife calls it, like a cell phone with bad reception. After the first record the effect disappears to return only the following day again when switching on the box. Intuitively I hold the amp responsible for the problem but I was also thinking it might be the mute switch or related contact switch blades. Anyone familiar with this problem? Hans From stamann at jukebox-world.de Thu Apr 2 05:09:02 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Thu Apr 2 05:19:00 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] NSMII continuously rejects record Message-ID: Hello John, maybe you can run this site through an online translator: http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/FAQ-NSM/Abspielproblem.htm#ESII Number 1 and 2 refers to the operating and the opto switches, number 3 gives a hint to a bad resitor for the motor brake. The second post refers to the clutch (broken or sticky). Kind regards - Hildegard Stamann ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Stamann Musikboxen - Schafskamp 2 - D-27243 Klein Henstedt - www.jukebox-world.de - stamann@jukebox-world.de Tel: (++49) 04224/264, Fax: (++49) 04224-1348, Ust.Id: DE 249241577 -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von NORMAN MACRAE Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. April 2009 13:15 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSMII continuously rejects record I haven't played with an ESII NSM for a number of years so I'm not as "on the ball" here?as I could be.? In the play cycle, the machine is operating under the control of the CCU.? Change from record transfer to play is initiated via an opto switch - could it be worth checking that?? Again this switch goes via the CCU. I have only some some odd diagrams for ESII.? I do have an ESIII manual.? I haven't been a lot of help really but it looks like the only reply you're going to get! Norman. ________________________________ From: johndt3 To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009 4:30:01 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSMII continuously rejects record You're probably thinking, this is an easy one. Before you assume that, let me tell you what I have already done. First, this is the symptoms.? The motor relay pulls in and stays in all the time.? The carriage scans to the record picks it up, starts to enter the play position. Before the tonearm reaches the record it rejects and returns the record to the record rack and moves on to the next record and does the same.? The motor relay did not release any time during the sequence...If I release the motor relay at the proper time by hand, the relay does not try to pull back and the jukebox will play the record but there is no sound,-it's like the amplifier is muted. Also, if I don't release the motor relay by hand the motor relay releases only when turning the jukebox off and then the motor relay does not release for about 10 seconds after power is off. Obviously, my problem is, one,-the motor relay is not releasing to break the carriage motor and allow it to go into the play possession completely,-so the carriage motor continues to turn and it returns the record to the record rack. And secondly, the amplifier seems to be staying in the muted mode,-this is tied in somehow with the motor relay and the position of the tonearm when it begins to play the record,-I believe it has to do with timing, but I'm not sure. Here are the steps I have taken. ? 1. Replaced the BS switch and adjusted it with a meter to be sure a proper operation. ? 2. Adjusted the spring lever to approximately the center position of the dowel, and spun the motor by hand to make sure that the spring lever was returning to the top of the dowel. ? 3. Unplugged the reject button from the amplifier unit. ? 4. Tested all components on the scan board.(found C206 to be almost 20% out of tolerance.? This was tested with a multimeter capacitor tester and not with a capacitor tester that would put it under its max load. This is tied in with the reject circuit as part of a timing to activate the breaking circuit on the motor.? I did not change this capacitor yet because the sequence that should have taken place before the breaking was that the motor relay should have dropped out before the timing circuit comes into play, and the motor relay had not dropped out.) ? 5. The reject circuit also goes to the control in a central unit to pin 16 of the IC 1. The data sheet for 75468 chip shows pin 16 to be an output,-so I'm completely lost on this one as it goes to the ground side of the motor relay as does all the other reject circuits. ? 6. Tested T111, R 176, R 168, R 167, and diode 122on both channels of the amplifier as it shows this to be part of the reject circuit. ? 7. Unplugged the entire reject circuit coming from the carriage to the amplifier unit.? (This includes the the tonearm optic switch which I had already replaced.) None of the steps taken allow the motor relay to drop out as it should, and as I said it only dropped out after is the power is turned off and then it took about 10 seconds. I have considered the possibility that the motor relay is magnetized, as it does not pull back in after I release it manually which would make one think that it is magnetized, unless it had a self holding circuit, which it does not.? However, at no other time will the relay dropout, unless I turn the jukebox off, and then it takes 8 to 10 seconds each time... consistently.? It is not intermittent, also, after talking with a long time NSM repairman,-he said that he had never found one to be magnetized, (nevertheless, I am not ruling this out completely.) I am really lost on this one and could use any help that I can get.? I was told that I might want to check the spring lever reset with the motor running instead of doing it manually.? I intend to do that, however the jukeboxes in one place and all the components that I have is in another,-so I can't do that until I return to where the jukebox is.? I want to be sure that I have done everything that I can with the individual components before driving back across town to the jukebox.? Also, trying to troubleshoot their is difficult and inconvenient. Looking forward to any and all suggestions. Thanks John D. Taylor III _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 08:34:23 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Apr 2 08:36:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day Message-ID: <17892.25312.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hans, My guess would be a cap going bad--could be in the amp, or anywhere else in the box. Do any of the lamps "flicker" ? -- as a bad lamp/starter can also cause that. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Hans wrote: From: Hans Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 4:49 AM When I turn on my Wurlitzer 2300S, the first 3 to 4 minutes of the first single is played with a cracking sound from the loudspeakers. It sounds like a contact is making and breaking or, as my wife calls it, like a cell phone with bad reception. After the first record the effect disappears to return only the following day again when switching on the box. Intuitively I hold the amp responsible for the problem but I was also thinking it might be the mute switch or related contact switch blades. Anyone familiar with this problem? Hans? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Thu Apr 2 08:40:56 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Thu Apr 2 08:42:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day Message-ID: <678406.84235.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Could also be a dirty volume or tone control as they warm up they thermaly expand and the problem goes away. Try cleaning the controls first with some De-Oxit. ? Regards Tony --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:34 AM Hans, My guess would be a cap going bad--could be in the amp, or anywhere else in the box. Do any of the lamps "flicker" ? -- as a bad lamp/starter can also cause that. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Hans wrote: From: Hans Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 4:49 AM When I turn on my Wurlitzer 2300S, the first 3 to 4 minutes of the first single is played with a cracking sound from the loudspeakers. It sounds like a contact is making and breaking or, as my wife calls it, like a cell phone with bad reception. After the first record the effect disappears to return only the following day again when switching on the box. Intuitively I hold the amp responsible for the problem but I was also thinking it might be the mute switch or related contact switch blades. Anyone familiar with this problem? Hans? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 10:43:38 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Apr 2 10:45:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Message-ID: <883583.1898.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Wahl wrote: > I think I get your reasoning.? But the 45 conversions > exist, and they > seem to originate from before the 1015s were once again > valuable.? If > they weren't on location somewhere, why bother installing > the conversion? I guess I didn't go into enough detail (and that's usually not a problem with me :-) ). The point I was trying to make is that any machine from the "lightup" era that was still in service after the late 1950s was probably in, what would be called, for lack of a better term, a dive. Therefore, the chances are slim that an innocent little kid would see such a machine playing 45s and thereby associate that jukebox with those records. The other alternative is that it might have been in a private club, like an Eagle's or Elk's club, donated to the club or obtained by the club for little money; again, not a place that kids would frequent. That's what I was getting at. > I think there's often a two step association going > on.? People > strongly associate jukeboxes with the 50s.? And people > strongly > associate the 1015 with jukeboxes.? Then they connect > the two together > and mistakenly associate the 1015 with the 50s. I agree completely. > ...how about this: what they saw > as a kid was a 78 playing 1015, loved the mech, but their > record > collection has 45s but no 78s, and they don't really > remember all that > well what speed the one they saw in their youth played, > anyway? Also highly plausible, I agree. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 10:46:57 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Apr 2 10:48:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Message-ID: <916646.3935.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Jens Hultgren wrote: > In the mad scientist's > laboratory there was a Seeburg C. In the coffee shop there > was a 1015 and 3W1s in the booths. > I think someone decided to switch machines, whereas the guy > who supplied the > props probably had the right idea from the start. I'd forgotten about that. I think you're right. From wbabbott at verizon.net Thu Apr 2 09:50:27 2009 From: wbabbott at verizon.net (Britt Abbott) Date: Thu Apr 2 10:54:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day Message-ID: <1684869439.34956221238691027102.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Hans, something simple... do you leave the juke on all day, or only turn on the master power switch when you're ready to play a record? If the lattter, then I'd suggest waiting about 3 minutes to allow the tubes to heat up before selecting a record. Remember, these old tube amps are not like Ipod plug and play, they have to warm up first. Britt On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Hans wrote: > When I turn on my Wurlitzer 2300S, the first 3 to 4 minutes of the > first single is played with a cracking sound from the loudspeakers. It > sounds like a contact is making and breaking or, as my wife calls it, > like a cell phone with bad reception. After the first record the > effect disappears to return only the following day again when > switching on the box. > Intuitively I hold the amp responsible for the problem but I was also > thinking it might be the mute switch or related contact switch blades. > Anyone familiar with this problem? > Hans > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ukwilkie at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 10:46:44 2009 From: ukwilkie at yahoo.com (David Wilkinson) Date: Thu Apr 2 10:55:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 435 selection problem In-Reply-To: <20090323190003.A9392AA9E8@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090323190003.A9392AA9E8@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <2967.15112.qm@web58704.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hi everyone. I have a Rockola 435 Princess Deluxe that has been working perfectly but it now has selection issues. ? Even when the jukebox was working fine, the selection process was still a little finicky as it would only work if the selection was made in ?reverse? ? i.e. it would select a record fine as long as?(1) I selected the ?number? selection button first and then; 2) I selected the ?letter? button last ? but even then, on some occasions I could only get the ?read wheel? to spin and select, if I physically held down the ?letter? button until the record was actually selected. So my?jukebox would not select a record if I tried to select the letter first followed by the number, but it would if I reversed the selection process. ? However, as of this morning this ?reverse? selection process no longer works, and now nothing happens when I select a record. The ?select record? light still works but upon pressing the selection buttons, I can hear what sounds like solenoids clicking in the mech, but nothing else happens and no record is selected. I cleaned the selection contacts this morning with deoxit but that did not help. ? I would appreciate any other suggestions that you may be able to provide to help me fix this selection problem. Many thanks ? David From bobe at halted.com Thu Apr 2 10:57:38 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Thu Apr 2 11:11:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090402175738.009a3870@hsces.com> At 11:32 PM 4/1/2009 -0500, Steve Wahl wrote: > >But the original question was why is there any demand for a "real" >1015 setup to play 45s, as opposed to just getting a OMT. I suggested >perhaps as a kid they saw an original on location playing 45s, and >wanted one like it. > When I was a kid and we would make our bi-annual visit to see my grandparents in Billings, MT, one of the highlights (besides fireworks for the 4th) was playing pinball and the jukebox with my cousins in my grandfather's basement. He actually had two 1015's, one in the basement and one in the "fruit stand" (where they sold the fireworks). Both were converted to play 45's, and I would have been ecstatic to inherit either one! Happy memories indeed (even though the Wurlies ended up with cousins), and that figured heavily in my decision to get my first jukebox (a Seeburg AY) when my uncle turned up a couple from an old operator many years later. If I had gotten the 1015 first, I might not have gotten around to converting it back to 78, unless I had later gotten some 45 jukes...who knows? I just know that I would have insisted on having "Mule Skinner Blues" by the Fendermen, and "Battle of New Orleans" by Johnny Horton somewhere in the mix, and I don't think those came out on 78 rpm. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 11:16:22 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Apr 2 11:18:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Message-ID: <80326.94328.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, Gotta dis-agree, slightly---A "dive" usually had the newest jukebox in town !? Jukes got moved "down" to lower volume locations, as time progressed-- Ron Rich --- On Thu, 4/2/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:43 AM --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Steve Wahl wrote: > I think I get your reasoning.? But the 45 conversions > exist, and they > seem to originate from before the 1015s were once again > valuable.? If > they weren't on location somewhere, why bother installing > the conversion? I guess I didn't go into enough detail (and that's usually not a problem with me :-)? ).? The point I was trying to make is that any machine from the "lightup" era that was still in service after the late 1950s was probably in, what would be called, for lack of a better term, a dive. Therefore, the chances are slim that an innocent little kid would see such a machine playing 45s and thereby associate that jukebox with those records.? The other alternative is that it might have been in a private club, like an Eagle's or Elk's club, donated to the club or obtained by the club for little money; again, not a place that kids would frequent.? That's what I was getting at. > I think there's often a two step association going > on.? People > strongly associate jukeboxes with the 50s.? And people > strongly > associate the 1015 with jukeboxes.? Then they connect > the two together > and mistakenly associate the 1015 with the 50s. I agree completely. > ...how about this: what they saw > as a kid was a 78 playing 1015, loved the mech, but their > record > collection has 45s but no 78s, and they don't really > remember all that > well what speed the one they saw in their youth played, > anyway? Also highly plausible, I agree. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 11:19:18 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Apr 2 11:21:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 435 selection problem Message-ID: <37536.57594.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, RTM, it should have a section showing you how to adjust the "latch bar-key lockdown" section.? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 4/2/09, David Wilkinson wrote: From: David Wilkinson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 435 selection problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:46 AM Hi everyone. I have a Rockola 435 Princess Deluxe that has been working perfectly but it now has selection issues. ? Even when the jukebox was working fine, the selection process was still a little finicky as it would only work if the selection was made in ?reverse? ? i.e. it would select a record fine as long as?(1) I selected the ?number? selection button first and then; 2) I selected the ?letter? button last ? but even then, on some occasions I could only get the ?read wheel? to spin and select, if I physically held down the ?letter? button until the record was actually selected. So my?jukebox would not select a record if I tried to select the letter first followed by the number, but it would if I reversed the selection process. ? However, as of this morning this ?reverse? selection process no longer works, and now nothing happens when I select a record. The ?select record? light still works but upon pressing the selection buttons, I can hear what sounds like solenoids clicking in the mech, but nothing else happens and no record is selected. I cleaned the selection contacts this morning with deoxit but that did not help. ? I would appreciate any other suggestions that you may be able to provide to help me fix this selection problem. Many thanks ? David _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 11:29:31 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Apr 2 11:31:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Message-ID: <957332.32635.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Gotta dis-agree, slightly---A "dive" usually had the newest > jukebox in town !? Jukes got moved "down" to lower volume > locations, as time progressed-- Ron Rich Well, maybe the term means different things in different parts of the country, but to me a dive is a cockroach- infested greasy-spoon restaurant, a clip joint serving crummy liquor, a hotel that charges by the hour or a little shack of a roadhouse off in the sticks. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Apr 2 12:33:10 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Apr 2 12:36:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Message-ID: <20090402.153310.11754.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: RE: Operator placing new jukebox in "dives". Amen to that! I'm defining a dive as a run-down neighborhood bar. New jukes w/"killer" record libraries got placed into these locations because they got heavy play and took in lotsa $$$. The operator I worked for in the 60's campaigned long and hard to get his equipment into locations like this in the mid 60's. Older jukes were reconditioned and "bounced" down to neighborhood restaurants, hotels, pool halls,laundromats, etc that didn't get frequent play. A second choice for big play were family-oriented restaurant chains. These places preferred hide away installations (with booth and wallboxes) These installations (usually made with new current model equipment) worked long and hard for their master.. The "new" wallboxes with built-in speakers were a big attraction. (I think the Seeburg LPC was the first one). In the "fuzzy memory" department..... In the late 50's, as a kid, I remember seeing a lot of the Wurlitzer "transition" era jukes (W1250,1400,1500,1600, machines that played B record sides upside down) in Michigan Great Lakes resort area restaurants, bars, etc. These were loaded with 78 versions of the top R n R hits of the day. Think this was 58-59. I remember "Summertime Blues", "Breathless", "Stranded in the Jungle" "Singing the Blues" "Stagger Lee" etc Most of the machines came from the same operator. Dome sticker said "Otto-matic Music". When you went to an in-town location,you would see 100-play Seeburgs and Wurlitzer carousel jukes. These old stackers were the first jukeboxes that intrigued me. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bpcDeUZjlkD5nZyUV6pu5XHoQTsNvl4v3J3WUqpPeh2Ex3Vvfa/ From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Thu Apr 2 14:19:24 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Thu Apr 2 14:21:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB - AMI I cabinet trim Message-ID: <9E429383622946B291C7294474C9BCEE@JUKEBUS> Anyone parting out an AMI I cabinet? I'm looking for the 2 stainless steel strips that cover the side edges of the speaker grill, and 1 of the corner covers that fit at the bottom of these strips. ( I have tried the "usual suspects"). Thanks, Adrian. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 14:21:49 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Apr 2 14:23:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Message-ID: <768173.1795.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 4/2/09, James Alexander wrote: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ???Amen to that!???I'm defining a dive as a? ? ???run-down > neighborhood bar. OK, I guess I'd call that a "working class bar". Yes, I agree that those were great locations, and about the only place you see jukeboxes anymore. ? ??? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 15:33:23 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Apr 2 15:35:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Message-ID: <93426.70463.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, Yup--just the kinda place which makes "da money"--- Ron Rich --- On Thu, 4/2/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:29 AM --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Gotta dis-agree, slightly---A "dive" usually had the newest > jukebox in town !? Jukes got moved "down" to lower volume > locations, as time progressed-- Ron Rich Well, maybe the term means different things in different parts of the country, but to me a dive is a cockroach- infested greasy-spoon restaurant, a clip joint serving crummy liquor, a hotel that charges by the hour or a little shack of a roadhouse off in the sticks. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From sonnygirl at cafes.net Thu Apr 2 19:32:43 2009 From: sonnygirl at cafes.net (sonnygirl@cafes.net) Date: Thu Apr 2 19:34:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Message-ID: <50943.1238725963@cafes.net> It's only worth less to a buyer who wants 78rpm. The true value is in the artistry...the wow factor of the machine...not the speed of the turntable. A great original is a great original. A fine restoration is a fine restoration. So, a 1015 is a 1015. Seller with machine + buyer wanting machine + agreed value = SALE. From nikola1955 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 06:27:55 2009 From: nikola1955 at yahoo.com (Hans) Date: Fri Apr 3 06:29:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day Message-ID: <535304.38481.qm@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi Britt. I turn it on when I want to play with it ;-), but I am aware of the delicacy of the tube amp and I never start using it right after turning it on. Hans --- El jue, 2/4/09, Britt Abbott escribi?: > De: Britt Abbott > Asunto: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > Fecha: jueves, 2 abril, 2009 4:50 > Hans, something simple... do you > leave the juke on all day, or only turn on the master power > switch when you're ready to play a record? If the lattter, > then I'd suggest waiting about 3 minutes to allow the tubes > to heat up before selecting a record. Remember, these old > tube amps are not like Ipod plug and play, they have to warm > up first. > Britt > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at? 7:49 AM, Hans wrote: > > > When I turn on my Wurlitzer 2300S, the first 3 to 4 > minutes of the first single is played with a cracking sound > from the loudspeakers. It sounds like a contact is making > and breaking or, as my wife calls it, like a cell phone with > bad reception. After the first record the effect disappears > to return only the following day again when switching on the > box. > > Intuitively I hold the amp responsible for the problem > but I was also thinking it might be the mute switch or > related contact switch blades. > > Anyone familiar with this problem? > > Hans > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From nikola1955 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 06:34:12 2009 From: nikola1955 at yahoo.com (nikola1955@yahoo.com) Date: Fri Apr 3 06:42:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day Message-ID: <43748.40393.qm@web45711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> No "flickering" lamps. I will try cleaning the volume and tone controls, but the idea of a bad cap, having problems getting charged but when finally charged making the problem disappear, appeals to me. Well, as you know, the amp was nominated for an overhaul anyway... BTW: where else in the box (I mean apart from the amp) could a bad cap cause this problem? Hans --- El jue, 2/4/09, Ron Rich escribi?: > De: Ron Rich > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > Fecha: jueves, 2 abril, 2009 3:34 > Hans, > My guess would be a cap going bad--could be in the amp, or > anywhere else in the box. Do any of the lamps "flicker" ? -- > as a bad lamp/starter can also cause that. Ron Rich > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Hans > wrote: > > From: Hans > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at > first record of the day > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 4:49 AM > > > When I turn on my Wurlitzer 2300S, the first 3 to 4 minutes > of the first single is played with a cracking sound from the > loudspeakers. It sounds like a contact is making and > breaking or, as my wife calls it, like a cell phone with bad > reception. > After the first record the effect disappears to return only > the following day again when switching on the box. > Intuitively I hold the amp responsible for the problem but > I was also thinking it might be the mute switch or related > contact switch blades. > Anyone familiar with this problem? > Hans? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Apr 3 06:42:36 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Apr 3 06:49:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20090402175738.009a3870@hsces.com> References: <2.2.32.20090402175738.009a3870@hsces.com> Message-ID: Thanks to all who gave input on this question. Let me tell you why I asked it in the first place. I found a 1015 on Kajiji (quite by accident). The owner's had it for 15 years, and never got around to restoring it. There were some pictures posted, and it looked rough: the usual melted plastics, and the entire cabinet had been sprayed with brown speckled paint.The owner says this is better as it would have protected the original finish (talk about salesmanship). I wanted more detail before considering to make an offer, so he sent many interior pictures. My main concern was whether or not it had coin equipment (most of it seems to be there: the grinder and cash box, but it's missing the chutes on the door). When I was looking at the photos I noted.... Gasp! There's 45's in the record stack! I asked the owner if he had converted it, he said it came that way when he bought it, and then insisted that 1015's were designed to play 45's! I didn't want to argue with him, to remain on good terms. In the end, we worked out a deal, and I gave him a deposit. Will pick it up in a couple of weeks. I'm excited! Now, I'm wondering what is involved in converting it back to 78. Victory sells a gear kit for this purpose, but does it mean taking apart a large portion of the mech? Also, how was the tonearm mangled to play a 7" record? Is that easy to convert back? Thanks for everyone's advice and comments. This is a great list. P.s. I have a copy of "Battle of New Orleans" on a Cdn Columbia 78. Not sure about "Mule Skinner Blues" being available on 78 though. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Bob Ellingson Sent: 2009, April, 02 1:58 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 At 11:32 PM 4/1/2009 -0500, Steve Wahl wrote: > >But the original question was why is there any demand for a "real" >1015 setup to play 45s, as opposed to just getting a OMT. I suggested >perhaps as a kid they saw an original on location playing 45s, and >wanted one like it. > When I was a kid and we would make our bi-annual visit to see my grandparents in Billings, MT, one of the highlights (besides fireworks for the 4th) was playing pinball and the jukebox with my cousins in my grandfather's basement. He actually had two 1015's, one in the basement and one in the "fruit stand" (where they sold the fireworks). Both were converted to play 45's, and I would have been ecstatic to inherit either one! Happy memories indeed (even though the Wurlies ended up with cousins), and that figured heavily in my decision to get my first jukebox (a Seeburg AY) when my uncle turned up a couple from an old operator many years later. If I had gotten the 1015 first, I might not have gotten around to converting it back to 78, unless I had later gotten some 45 jukes...who knows? I just know that I would have insisted on having "Mule Skinner Blues" by the Fendermen, and "Battle of New Orleans" by Johnny Horton somewhere in the mix, and I don't think those came out on 78 rpm. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Apr 3 07:43:56 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Apr 3 07:45:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day Message-ID: <141414.80841.qm@web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Hans: ? Tube amp delicate? Thats the first time I have heard that. Since I repair tube amps and have more then I care to mention of tube amps (both juke and also Hi-Fi components). I have to say they are by far more durable then any transistor amp. If repaired correctly and checked every once in a blue moon they operate just about forever. The usual faults are dirty controls and bad capactitors. Although a dirty muting relay and the odd time an out of value resistor can be found these amps work flawlessly. I can't tell you how many I have repaired over the years and most of the time it was due to LACK of use. (Bad filter Capacitors they had dried up or went leaky). Just thought I would let you know. Its better to use it more often then let it sit idle. ? Regards Tony --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Hans wrote: From: Hans Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, April 3, 2009, 9:27 AM Hi Britt. I turn it on when I want to play with it ;-), but I am aware of the delicacy of the tube amp and I never start using it right after turning it on. Hans --- El jue, 2/4/09, Britt Abbott escribi?: > De: Britt Abbott > Asunto: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > Fecha: jueves, 2 abril, 2009 4:50 > Hans, something simple... do you > leave the juke on all day, or only turn on the master power > switch when you're ready to play a record? If the lattter, > then I'd suggest waiting about 3 minutes to allow the tubes > to heat up before selecting a record. Remember, these old > tube amps are not like Ipod plug and play, they have to warm > up first. > Britt > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at? 7:49 AM, Hans wrote: > > > When I turn on my Wurlitzer 2300S, the first 3 to 4 > minutes of the first single is played with a cracking sound > from the loudspeakers. It sounds like a contact is making > and breaking or, as my wife calls it, like a cell phone with > bad reception. After the first record the effect disappears > to return only the following day again when switching on the > box. > > Intuitively I hold the amp responsible for the problem > but I was also thinking it might be the mute switch or > related contact switch blades. > > Anyone familiar with this problem? > > Hans > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca From digital.john at btopenworld.com Fri Apr 3 08:18:40 2009 From: digital.john at btopenworld.com (digital.john@btopenworld.com) Date: Fri Apr 3 08:20:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 plays slow Message-ID: <507405.63736.qm@web86608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hello nearly finished restoring a Wurlitzer 2800. I am in England and the machine was sited in an English pub so is geared correctly for English electricity supply. Have fitted new turntable motor mounts and new turntable belt and lubricated where necessary but the?records still play slightly slower than they should, would this be a problem with the turntable motor? Any help appreciated. Thanks. John From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 08:32:06 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Apr 3 08:33:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day Message-ID: <434907.68858.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hans, Anywhere--and it can also be caused by a bad resistor --? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 4/3/09, nikola1955@yahoo.com wrote: From: nikola1955@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 6:34 AM No "flickering" lamps. I will try cleaning the volume and tone controls, but the idea of a bad cap, having problems getting charged but when finally charged making the problem disappear, appeals to me. Well, as you know, the amp was nominated for an overhaul anyway... BTW: where else in the box (I mean apart from the amp) could a bad cap cause this problem? Hans --- El jue, 2/4/09, Ron Rich escribi?: > De: Ron Rich > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > Fecha: jueves, 2 abril, 2009 3:34 > Hans, > My guess would be a cap going bad--could be in the amp, or > anywhere else in the box. Do any of the lamps "flicker" ? -- > as a bad lamp/starter can also cause that. Ron Rich > > --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Hans > wrote: > > From: Hans > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at > first record of the day > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 4:49 AM > > > When I turn on my Wurlitzer 2300S, the first 3 to 4 minutes > of the first single is played with a cracking sound from the > loudspeakers. It sounds like a contact is making and > breaking or, as my wife calls it, like a cell phone with bad > reception. > After the first record the effect disappears to return only > the following day again when switching on the box. > Intuitively I hold the amp responsible for the problem but > I was also thinking it might be the mute switch or related > contact switch blades. > Anyone familiar with this problem? > Hans? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 08:36:55 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Apr 3 08:38:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up Message-ID: <41355.62010.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I thought that I had the "Battle of New Orleans", on 78 also, as a kid here (US)--was not sure. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 6:42 AM Thanks to all who gave input on this question. Let me tell you why I asked it in the first place. I found a 1015 on Kajiji (quite by accident). The owner's had it for 15 years, and never got around to restoring it. There were some pictures posted, and it looked rough: the usual melted plastics, and the entire cabinet had been sprayed with brown speckled paint.The owner says this is better as it would have protected the original finish (talk about salesmanship). I wanted more detail before considering to make an offer, so he sent many interior pictures. My main concern was whether or not it had coin equipment (most of it seems to be there: the grinder and cash box, but it's missing the chutes on the door). When I was looking at the photos I noted.... Gasp! There's 45's in the record stack! I asked the owner if he had converted it, he said it came that way when he bought it, and then insisted that 1015's were designed to play 45's! I didn't want to argue with him, to remain on good terms. In the end, we worked out a deal, and I gave him a deposit. Will pick it up in a couple of weeks. I'm excited! Now, I'm wondering what is involved in converting it back to 78. Victory sells a gear kit for this purpose, but does it mean taking apart a large portion of the mech? Also, how was the tonearm mangled to play a 7" record? Is that easy to convert back? Thanks for everyone's advice and comments. This is a great list. P.s. I have a copy of "Battle of New Orleans" on a Cdn Columbia 78. Not sure about "Mule Skinner Blues" being available on 78 though. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Bob Ellingson Sent: 2009, April, 02 1:58 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 At 11:32 PM 4/1/2009 -0500, Steve Wahl wrote: > >But the original question was why is there any demand for a "real" >1015 setup to play 45s, as opposed to just getting a OMT.? I suggested >perhaps as a kid they saw an original on location playing 45s, and >wanted one like it. > When I was a kid and we would make our bi-annual visit to see my grandparents in Billings, MT, one of the highlights (besides fireworks for the 4th) was playing pinball and the jukebox with my cousins in my grandfather's basement.? He actually had two 1015's, one in the basement and one in the "fruit stand" (where they sold the fireworks).? Both were converted to play 45's, and I would have been ecstatic to inherit either one!???Happy memories indeed (even though the Wurlies ended up with cousins), and that figured heavily in my decision to get my first jukebox (a Seeburg AY) when my uncle turned up a couple from an old operator many years later.? If I had gotten the 1015 first, I might not have gotten around to converting it back to 78, unless I had later gotten some 45 jukes...who knows?? I just know that I would have insisted on having "Mule Skinner Blues" by the Fendermen, and "Battle of New Orleans" by Johnny Horton somewhere in the mix, and I don't think those came out on 78 rpm. --Bob ? ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson??? ??? ??? ??? ??? bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc.??? ??? ??? http://www.halted..com 3500 Ryder St.??? ??? ??? ??? ??? (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051? USA??? ??? ??? (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately.? Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 08:40:26 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Apr 3 08:42:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day Message-ID: <269970.84339.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I agree 100%---USE EM !? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Lala Blah Blah wrote: From: Lala Blah Blah Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 7:43 AM Hi Hans: ? Tube amp delicate? Thats the first time I have heard that. Since I repair tube amps and have more then I care to mention of tube amps (both juke and also Hi-Fi components). I have to say they are by far more durable then any transistor amp. If repaired correctly and checked every once in a blue moon they operate just about forever. The usual faults are dirty controls and bad capactitors. Although a dirty muting relay and the odd time an out of value resistor can be found these amps work flawlessly. I can't tell you how many I have repaired over the years and most of the time it was due to LACK of use. (Bad filter Capacitors they had dried up or went leaky). Just thought I would let you know. Its better to use it more often then let it sit idle. ? Regards Tony --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Hans wrote: From: Hans Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, April 3, 2009, 9:27 AM Hi Britt. I turn it on when I want to play with it ;-), but I am aware of the delicacy of the tube amp and I never start using it right after turning it on. Hans --- El jue, 2/4/09, Britt Abbott escribi?: > De: Britt Abbott > Asunto: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > Fecha: jueves, 2 abril, 2009 4:50 > Hans, something simple... do you > leave the juke on all day, or only turn on the master power > switch when you're ready to play a record? If the lattter, > then I'd suggest waiting about 3 minutes to allow the tubes > to heat up before selecting a record. Remember, these old > tube amps are not like Ipod plug and play, they have to warm > up first. > Britt > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at? 7:49 AM, Hans wrote: > > > When I turn on my Wurlitzer 2300S, the first 3 to 4 > minutes of the first single is played with a cracking sound > from the loudspeakers. It sounds like a contact is making > and breaking or, as my wife calls it, like a cell phone with > bad reception. After the first record the effect disappears > to return only the following day again when switching on the > box. > > Intuitively I hold the amp responsible for the problem > but I was also thinking it might be the mute switch or > related contact switch blades. > > Anyone familiar with this problem? > > Hans > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail.? Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Apr 3 08:41:33 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Apr 3 08:43:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up In-Reply-To: <41355.62010.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <41355.62010.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It's quite possible. I believe it came out January or February of 1959, so it would be at the cut off period in the USA. Canada pressed up to the end of 1959. Ron, do you know if it's hard to change the mech gears back to 78 in a 1015? How about the tonearm conversion? Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 2009, April, 03 11:37 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up I thought that I had the "Battle of New Orleans", on 78 also, as a kid here (US)--was not sure. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 6:42 AM Thanks to all who gave input on this question. Let me tell you why I asked it in the first place. I found a 1015 on Kajiji (quite by accident). The owner's had it for 15 years, and never got around to restoring it. There were some pictures posted, and it looked rough: the usual melted plastics, and the entire cabinet had been sprayed with brown speckled paint.The owner says this is better as it would have protected the original finish (talk about salesmanship). I wanted more detail before considering to make an offer, so he sent many interior pictures. My main concern was whether or not it had coin equipment (most of it seems to be there: the grinder and cash box, but it's missing the chutes on the door). When I was looking at the photos I noted.... Gasp! There's 45's in the record stack! I asked the owner if he had converted it, he said it came that way when he bought it, and then insisted that 1015's were designed to play 45's! I didn't want to argue with him, to remain on good terms. In the end, we worked out a deal, and I gave him a deposit. Will pick it up in a couple of weeks. I'm excited! Now, I'm wondering what is involved in converting it back to 78. Victory sells a gear kit for this purpose, but does it mean taking apart a large portion of the mech? Also, how was the tonearm mangled to play a 7" record? Is that easy to convert back? Thanks for everyone's advice and comments. This is a great list. P.s. I have a copy of "Battle of New Orleans" on a Cdn Columbia 78. Not sure about "Mule Skinner Blues" being available on 78 though. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Bob Ellingson Sent: 2009, April, 02 1:58 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 At 11:32 PM 4/1/2009 -0500, Steve Wahl wrote: > >But the original question was why is there any demand for a "real" >1015 setup to play 45s, as opposed to just getting a OMT.? I suggested >perhaps as a kid they saw an original on location playing 45s, and >wanted one like it. > When I was a kid and we would make our bi-annual visit to see my grandparents in Billings, MT, one of the highlights (besides fireworks for the 4th) was playing pinball and the jukebox with my cousins in my grandfather's basement.? He actually had two 1015's, one in the basement and one in the "fruit stand" (where they sold the fireworks).? Both were converted to play 45's, and I would have been ecstatic to inherit either one!???Happy memories indeed (even though the Wurlies ended up with cousins), and that figured heavily in my decision to get my first jukebox (a Seeburg AY) when my uncle turned up a couple from an old operator many years later.? If I had gotten the 1015 first, I might not have gotten around to converting it back to 78, unless I had later gotten some 45 jukes...who knows?? I just know that I would have insisted on having "Mule Skinner Blues" by the Fendermen, and "Battle of New Orleans" by Johnny Horton somewhere in the mix, and I don't think those came out on 78 rpm. --Bob ? ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson??? ??? ??? ??? ??? bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc.??? ??? ??? http://www.halted..com 3500 Ryder St.??? ??? ??? ??? ??? (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051? USA??? ??? ??? (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. 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L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 08:44:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Apr 3 08:46:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 plays slow Message-ID: <812947.18778.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi John, Two questions--- What are you using to determine the record speed ? Which "2800" version do you have--and do you have the correct drive belt for that version? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 4/3/09, digital.john@btopenworld.com wrote: From: digital.john@btopenworld.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 plays slow To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 8:18 AM Hello nearly finished restoring a Wurlitzer 2800. I am in England and the machine was sited in an English pub so is geared correctly for English electricity supply. Have fitted new turntable motor mounts and new turntable belt and lubricated where necessary but the?records still play slightly slower than they should, would this be a problem with the turntable motor? Any help appreciated. Thanks. John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 08:47:02 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Apr 3 08:48:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up Message-ID: <687907.27180.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mike, Sorry, no--40's jukes are "not my thing" (there are several guys around here that specialize in them)--although I love the Wurly cabinets-- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 8:41 AM It's quite possible. I believe it came out January or February of 1959, so it would be at the cut off period in the USA. Canada pressed up to the end of 1959. Ron, do you know if it's hard to change the mech gears back to 78 in a 1015? How about the tonearm conversion? Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 2009, April, 03 11:37 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up I thought that I had the "Battle of New Orleans", on 78 also, as a kid here (US)--was not sure. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 6:42 AM Thanks to all who gave input on this question. Let me tell you why I asked it in the first place. I found a 1015 on Kajiji (quite by accident). The owner's had it for 15 years, and never got around to restoring it. There were some pictures posted, and it looked rough: the usual melted plastics, and the entire cabinet had been sprayed with brown speckled paint.The owner says this is better as it would have protected the original finish (talk about salesmanship). I wanted more detail before considering to make an offer, so he sent many interior pictures. My main concern was whether or not it had coin equipment (most of it seems to be there: the grinder and cash box, but it's missing the chutes on the door). When I was looking at the photos I noted.... Gasp! There's 45's in the record stack! I asked the owner if he had converted it, he said it came that way when he bought it, and then insisted that 1015's were designed to play 45's! I didn't want to argue with him, to remain on good terms. In the end, we worked out a deal, and I gave him a deposit. Will pick it up in a couple of weeks. I'm excited! Now, I'm wondering what is involved in converting it back to 78. Victory sells a gear kit for this purpose, but does it mean taking apart a large portion of the mech? Also, how was the tonearm mangled to play a 7" record? Is that easy to convert back? Thanks for everyone's advice and comments. This is a great list. P.s. I have a copy of "Battle of New Orleans" on a Cdn Columbia 78. Not sure about "Mule Skinner Blues" being available on 78 though. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Bob Ellingson Sent: 2009, April, 02 1:58 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 At 11:32 PM 4/1/2009 -0500, Steve Wahl wrote: > >But the original question was why is there any demand for a "real" >1015 setup to play 45s, as opposed to just getting a OMT.? I suggested >perhaps as a kid they saw an original on location playing 45s, and >wanted one like it. > When I was a kid and we would make our bi-annual visit to see my grandparents in Billings, MT, one of the highlights (besides fireworks for the 4th) was playing pinball and the jukebox with my cousins in my grandfather's basement.? He actually had two 1015's, one in the basement and one in the "fruit stand" (where they sold the fireworks).? Both were converted to play 45's, and I would have been ecstatic to inherit either one!???Happy memories indeed (even though the Wurlies ended up with cousins), and that figured heavily in my decision to get my first jukebox (a Seeburg AY) when my uncle turned up a couple from an old operator many years later.? If I had gotten the 1015 first, I might not have gotten around to converting it back to 78, unless I had later gotten some 45 jukes...who knows?? I just know that I would have insisted on having "Mule Skinner Blues" by the Fendermen, and "Battle of New Orleans" by Johnny Horton somewhere in the mix, and I don't think those came out on 78 rpm. --Bob ? ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson??? ??? ??? ??? ??? bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc.??? ??? ??? http://www.halted..com 3500 Ryder St.??? ??? ??? ??? ??? (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051? USA??? ??? ??? (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. 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L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 09:02:30 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Fri Apr 3 09:04:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up In-Reply-To: References: <41355.62010.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690904030902r64e3723en53ea39585d958ab7@mail.gmail.com> It is fairly simple. You need to change the turntable worm gear and the fiber gear. The worm gear is pinned on the shaft and the shaft is soft so be careful not to bend it.The tonearm is likely replaced with a lighter "jacobs" tonearm to play 45s. You would probably want the original lollipop style tonearm for the looks. They are reproduced but you can also find original ones (cad-plated) on ebay for around 125 USD. Then you will have to fiddle a little with the start and trip settings. A genuine conversion to 45 rpm would have comprised using a solenoid trip such as found in a Wurlitzer 1100. That is a good thing, makes adjustments a lot easier. Good luck and enjoy! Jens PS - the paint will actually protect the veneer to some degree. Can be a lot of work to take it off tho. Especially on the front door (was it painted too?). Brown is a good colour to remove, as it won't show if there are some residue left deep in the pores. Red paint is a b-tch to remove for that reason. Speckle paint is a "genuine" 50's style tho. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > It's quite possible. I believe it came out January or February of 1959, so > it would be at the cut off period in the USA. Canada pressed up to the end > of 1959. > > Ron, do you know if it's hard to change the mech gears back to 78 in a > 1015? How about the tonearm conversion? > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto: > jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich > Sent: 2009, April, 03 11:37 AM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up > > I thought that I had the "Battle of New Orleans", on 78 also, as a kid here > (US)--was not sure. Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > > From: Dicecco, Michael > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 6:42 AM > > Thanks to all who gave input on this question. Let me tell you why I asked > it in the first place. > > I found a 1015 on Kajiji (quite by accident). The owner's had it for 15 > years, and never got around to restoring it. There were some pictures > posted, and it looked rough: the usual melted plastics, and the entire > cabinet had been sprayed with brown speckled paint.The owner says this is > better as it would have protected the original finish (talk about > salesmanship). > > I wanted more detail before considering to make an offer, so he sent many > interior pictures. My main concern was whether or not it had coin equipment > (most of it seems to be there: the grinder and cash box, but it's missing > the chutes on the door). > > When I was looking at the photos I noted.... Gasp! There's 45's in the > record stack! I asked the owner if he had converted it, he said it came that > way when he bought it, and then insisted that 1015's were designed to play > 45's! I didn't want to argue with him, to remain on good terms. > > In the end, we worked out a deal, and I gave him a deposit. Will pick it up > in a couple of weeks. I'm excited! > > Now, I'm wondering what is involved in converting it back to 78. Victory > sells a gear kit for this purpose, but does it mean taking apart a large > portion of the mech? > Also, how was the tonearm mangled to play a 7" record? Is that easy to > convert back? > > Thanks for everyone's advice and comments. This is a great list. > > P.s. I have a copy of "Battle of New Orleans" on a Cdn Columbia 78. Not > sure about "Mule Skinner Blues" being available on 78 though. > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Bob > Ellingson > Sent: 2009, April, 02 1:58 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 > > At 11:32 PM 4/1/2009 -0500, Steve Wahl wrote: > > > > >But the original question was why is there any demand for a "real" > >1015 setup to play 45s, as opposed to just getting a OMT. I suggested > >perhaps as a kid they saw an original on location playing 45s, and > >wanted one like it. > > > > When I was a kid and we would make our bi-annual visit to see my > grandparents in Billings, MT, one of the highlights (besides fireworks for > the 4th) was playing pinball and the jukebox with my cousins in my > grandfather's basement. He actually had two 1015's, one in the basement and > one in the "fruit stand" (where they sold the fireworks). Both were > converted to play 45's, and I would have been ecstatic to inherit either > one! Happy memories indeed (even though the Wurlies ended up with > cousins), and that figured heavily in my decision to get my first jukebox (a > Seeburg AY) when my uncle turned up a couple from an old operator many years > later. If I had gotten the 1015 first, I might not have gotten around to > converting it back to 78, unless I had later gotten some 45 jukes...who > knows? I just know that I would have insisted on having "Mule Skinner > Blues" by the Fendermen, and "Battle of New Orleans" by Johnny Horton > somewhere in the mix, and I don't think those came out on 78 rpm. > > --Bob > > ======================================================================= > Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., > Inc. http://www.halted..com 3500 Ryder St. > (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 > (FAX) > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not > waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it > contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or > otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne > renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements > qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) > d?sign?(s) est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser > imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not > waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it > contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or > otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne > renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements > qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) > d?sign?(s) est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser > imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Apr 3 09:09:53 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Apr 3 09:11:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up In-Reply-To: <3154d3690904030902r64e3723en53ea39585d958ab7@mail.gmail.com> References: <41355.62010.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3154d3690904030902r64e3723en53ea39585d958ab7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jens, this helps a lot. >From the photos I've seen, the box still has the original lollipop tone arm. I'd like to use this of course, and was wondering how they got it to move to a start position for 7" records. Guess I'll find out more when I pick up the juke. >From the photos, it appears to still have the manual trip assembly too. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jens Hultgren Sent: 2009, April, 03 12:03 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up It is fairly simple. You need to change the turntable worm gear and the fiber gear. The worm gear is pinned on the shaft and the shaft is soft so be careful not to bend it.The tonearm is likely replaced with a lighter "jacobs" tonearm to play 45s. You would probably want the original lollipop style tonearm for the looks. They are reproduced but you can also find original ones (cad-plated) on ebay for around 125 USD. Then you will have to fiddle a little with the start and trip settings. A genuine conversion to 45 rpm would have comprised using a solenoid trip such as found in a Wurlitzer 1100. That is a good thing, makes adjustments a lot easier. Good luck and enjoy! Jens PS - the paint will actually protect the veneer to some degree. Can be a lot of work to take it off tho. Especially on the front door (was it painted too?). Brown is a good colour to remove, as it won't show if there are some residue left deep in the pores. Red paint is a b-tch to remove for that reason. Speckle paint is a "genuine" 50's style tho. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > It's quite possible. I believe it came out January or February of > 1959, so it would be at the cut off period in the USA. Canada pressed > up to the end of 1959. > > Ron, do you know if it's hard to change the mech gears back to 78 in a > 1015? How about the tonearm conversion? > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto: > jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich > Sent: 2009, April, 03 11:37 AM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up > > I thought that I had the "Battle of New Orleans", on 78 also, as a kid > here (US)--was not sure. Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > > From: Dicecco, Michael > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 6:42 AM > > Thanks to all who gave input on this question. Let me tell you why I > asked it in the first place. > > I found a 1015 on Kajiji (quite by accident). The owner's had it for > 15 years, and never got around to restoring it. There were some > pictures posted, and it looked rough: the usual melted plastics, and > the entire cabinet had been sprayed with brown speckled paint.The > owner says this is better as it would have protected the original > finish (talk about salesmanship). > > I wanted more detail before considering to make an offer, so he sent > many interior pictures. My main concern was whether or not it had coin > equipment (most of it seems to be there: the grinder and cash box, but > it's missing the chutes on the door). > > When I was looking at the photos I noted.... Gasp! There's 45's in the > record stack! I asked the owner if he had converted it, he said it > came that way when he bought it, and then insisted that 1015's were > designed to play 45's! I didn't want to argue with him, to remain on good terms. > > In the end, we worked out a deal, and I gave him a deposit. Will pick > it up in a couple of weeks. I'm excited! > > Now, I'm wondering what is involved in converting it back to 78. > Victory sells a gear kit for this purpose, but does it mean taking > apart a large portion of the mech? > Also, how was the tonearm mangled to play a 7" record? Is that easy to > convert back? > > Thanks for everyone's advice and comments. This is a great list. > > P.s. I have a copy of "Battle of New Orleans" on a Cdn Columbia 78. > Not sure about "Mule Skinner Blues" being available on 78 though. > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Bob > Ellingson > Sent: 2009, April, 02 1:58 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 > > At 11:32 PM 4/1/2009 -0500, Steve Wahl wrote: > > > > >But the original question was why is there any demand for a "real" > >1015 setup to play 45s, as opposed to just getting a OMT. I > >suggested perhaps as a kid they saw an original on location playing > >45s, and wanted one like it. > > > > When I was a kid and we would make our bi-annual visit to see my > grandparents in Billings, MT, one of the highlights (besides fireworks > for the 4th) was playing pinball and the jukebox with my cousins in my > grandfather's basement. He actually had two 1015's, one in the > basement and one in the "fruit stand" (where they sold the fireworks). > Both were converted to play 45's, and I would have been ecstatic to inherit either > one! Happy memories indeed (even though the Wurlies ended up with > cousins), and that figured heavily in my decision to get my first > jukebox (a Seeburg AY) when my uncle turned up a couple from an old > operator many years later. If I had gotten the 1015 first, I might > not have gotten around to converting it back to 78, unless I had later > gotten some 45 jukes...who knows? I just know that I would have > insisted on having "Mule Skinner Blues" by the Fendermen, and "Battle > of New Orleans" by Johnny Horton somewhere in the mix, and I don't think those came out on 78 rpm. > > --Bob > > ======================================================================= > Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., > Inc. http://www.halted..com 3500 Ryder St. > (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 > (FAX) > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > ______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does > not waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it > contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return > e-mail or > otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. 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From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Apr 3 09:44:48 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Apr 3 09:46:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day Message-ID: <622483.73309.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> LOL Ron --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:40 AM I agree 100%---USE EM !? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Lala Blah Blah wrote: From: Lala Blah Blah Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 7:43 AM Hi Hans: ? Tube amp delicate? Thats the first time I have heard that. Since I repair tube amps and have more then I care to mention of tube amps (both juke and also Hi-Fi components). I have to say they are by far more durable then any transistor amp. If repaired correctly and checked every once in a blue moon they operate just about forever. The usual faults are dirty controls and bad capactitors. Although a dirty muting relay and the odd time an out of value resistor can be found these amps work flawlessly. I can't tell you how many I have repaired over the years and most of the time it was due to LACK of use. (Bad filter Capacitors they had dried up or went leaky). Just thought I would let you know. Its better to use it more often then let it sit idle. ? Regards Tony --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Hans wrote: From: Hans Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, April 3, 2009, 9:27 AM Hi Britt. I turn it on when I want to play with it ;-), but I am aware of the delicacy of the tube amp and I never start using it right after turning it on. Hans --- El jue, 2/4/09, Britt Abbott escribi?: > De: Britt Abbott > Asunto: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > Fecha: jueves, 2 abril, 2009 4:50 > Hans, something simple... do you > leave the juke on all day, or only turn on the master power > switch when you're ready to play a record? If the lattter, > then I'd suggest waiting about 3 minutes to allow the tubes > to heat up before selecting a record. Remember, these old > tube amps are not like Ipod plug and play, they have to warm > up first. > Britt > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at? 7:49 AM, Hans wrote: > > > When I turn on my Wurlitzer 2300S, the first 3 to 4 > minutes of the first single is played with a cracking sound > from the loudspeakers. It sounds like a contact is making > and breaking or, as my wife calls it, like a cell phone with > bad reception. After the first record the effect disappears > to return only the following day again when switching on the > box. > > Intuitively I hold the amp responsible for the problem > but I was also thinking it might be the mute switch or > related contact switch blades. > > Anyone familiar with this problem? > > Hans > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. 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Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Fri Apr 3 09:45:26 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Fri Apr 3 09:47:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 plays slow In-Reply-To: <507405.63736.qm@web86608.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <140554.65899.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi John, from memory, I believe there are two different types of pulleys for this period of machine. Make sure you have the correct one. I would check with Geof Young the Jukebox man. He should be able to advise. Here is the link http://www.thejukeboxman.com/ regards Gary --- On Fri, 3/4/09, digital.john@btopenworld.com wrote: > From: digital.john@btopenworld.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 plays slow > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Friday, 3 April, 2009, 4:18 PM > Hello nearly finished restoring a Wurlitzer 2800. I am in > England and the machine was sited in an English pub so is > geared correctly > for English electricity supply. Have fitted new turntable > motor mounts and new turntable belt and lubricated where > necessary but the?records > still play slightly slower than they should, would this be > a problem with the turntable motor? Any help appreciated. > Thanks. John > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Fri Apr 3 10:00:35 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Apr 3 10:02:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day In-Reply-To: <717042.44779.qm@web45705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <717042.44779.qm@web45705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D640B3.4000607@telus.net> Hans wrote: > When I turn on my Wurlitzer 2300S, the first 3 to 4 minutes of the first single is played with a cracking sound from the loudspeakers. It sounds like a contact is making and breaking or, as my wife calls it, like a cell phone with bad reception. > After the first record the effect disappears to return only the following day again when switching on the box. > Intuitively I hold the amp responsible for the problem but I was also thinking it might be the mute switch or related contact switch blades. > Anyone familiar with this problem? > Hans > > > Hi Hans, You need to do some troubleshooting here. 1) when you first turn the machine on and play the first song - does the volume control affect the level of the crackling? If yes, then the problem is in the pre-amp section, and if no, the problem is then in the power amp section. 2) if in the pre-amp, try unplugging tubes to see if you can find the tube where the noise starts. Start at the input end of the pre-amp and work towards the volume control. 3) recap the amp, and verify that ALL plate resistors have the correct values near where the crackling was verified to come from - you see I think you have a bad plate resistor, or possibly a bad cathode resistor, caused by excessive leakage current through a failing capacitor... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From digital.john at btopenworld.com Fri Apr 3 10:35:45 2009 From: digital.john at btopenworld.com (digital.john@btopenworld.com) Date: Fri Apr 3 10:37:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 plays slow References: <812947.18778.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <616177.5452.qm@web86609.mail.ird.yahoo.com> When a record plays you can here it's to slow. I didn't realise there was more than one type of drive belt. The plate on the back of the macine says 2800 115 volts 50 cycles serial number 097821. Thanks. John ________________________________ From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Friday, 3 April, 2009 4:44:34 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 plays slow Hi John, Two questions--- What are you using to determine the record speed ? Which "2800" version do you have--and do you have the correct drive belt for that version? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 4/3/09, digital.john@btopenworld.com wrote: From: digital.john@btopenworld.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 plays slow To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 8:18 AM Hello nearly finished restoring a Wurlitzer 2800. I am in England and the machine was sited in an English pub so is geared correctly for English electricity supply. Have fitted new turntable motor mounts and new turntable belt and lubricated where necessary but the?records still play slightly slower than they should, would this be a problem with the turntable motor? Any help appreciated. Thanks. John _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 11:40:12 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Apr 3 11:41:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up Message-ID: <784452.67558.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> -- On Fri, 4/3/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > P.s. I have a copy of "Battle of New Orleans" on a Cdn > Columbia 78. Really? Now I've got one to look for. Does it have the "walking eye" label or something else? From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Apr 3 12:21:07 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Apr 3 12:24:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 plays slow Message-ID: <20090403.152107.20059.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: the US-made versions of the W2800 were built with 2 different turntable motor assemblies, depending upon when they were made. Early version 2800's came with the 2700-type (previous model year) motor that had a gear-drive and two different-size motor pulleys for 45- or 33) switched by a solenoid. Later 2800's came with the idler-wheel driven type turntable motor (used on the 2900-up) that uses 2 same size drive belts. Slightly-slow running motor can be caused by lack of lubrication (motor bearings,pulley bearings, or TT assy bearings. With the gear driven motor, gear surfaces should be lubed with Lubriplate or white Lithium grease. With later motor assy, add idler wheel bearing, be sure to have clean surfaces for stepped motor shaft ,idler surface and TT flywheel surface. With either motor type, be sure you are using the correct TT belt model. Improper belt can cause speed-issue problems. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9AVsgjUpGRdzH59A3BUCJ0T5CZDuCPEpkLZwBqWEUk3YbO21P6/ From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Apr 3 12:38:16 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Apr 3 12:39:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up In-Reply-To: <784452.67558.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <784452.67558.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've never heard it called "walking eye", but I can see why you would say that. It's maroon, with silver lettering from what I remember. The label does not look any different than other Columbia's of the period. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 2009, April, 03 2:40 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up -- On Fri, 4/3/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > P.s. I have a copy of "Battle of New Orleans" on a Cdn Columbia 78. Really? Now I've got one to look for. Does it have the "walking eye" label or something else? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. 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From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Apr 3 12:42:53 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Apr 3 12:46:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up Message-ID: <20090403.154253.20059.1@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I think that 78 RPM record production of hit singles in the US was stopped circa 1960. This was probably for the holdouts who still had single-speed 78 RPM phonos at home. In the late 50's, 78 production dwindled as the public adapted to the new record speeds. The last 78 disc I remember seeing was a Brunswick label of "Lonely Teardrops" by Jackie Wilson. Several aftermarket conversion kits were available to convert W1015 lollipop tone arms to lighter tracking cartridges for either 78 or 45 RPM in the 80's Victory Glass sold an adapter kit based around an Astatic 51 cartridge. Another kit (SuperSound?) used a Stanton 500 mag cartridge with a 3 or 1 mil needle along with a preamp/volumecontrol chassis. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to find out about the ultimate Cabo San Lucas vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXDaqpYsY51FdczbzBMePWLtDxDrFRpM6GVEoXvG9ZqVmxVmsBx76/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 12:45:08 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Apr 3 12:46:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 plays slow Message-ID: <816789.86798.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, Check John Durfee's "? www.needles for jukeboxes.com? " website--he has it very well explained in the Wurly. belt section--Ron Rich --- On Fri, 4/3/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2800 plays slow To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 12:21 PM Gentlemen: the US-made versions of the W2800 were built with 2 different turntable motor assemblies, depending upon when they were made.? ? Early version 2800's came with the 2700-type (previous model year) motor that had a? gear-drive and two different-size motor pulleys for 45- or 33) switched by a solenoid. Later 2800's came with the idler-wheel driven type turntable motor (used on the 2900-up) that uses 2 same size drive belts. Slightly-slow running motor can be caused by lack of lubrication (motor bearings,pulley bearings, or TT assy bearings.? ? With the gear driven motor, gear surfaces should be lubed with Lubriplate or white Lithium grease. With later motor assy, add idler wheel bearing, be sure to have clean surfaces for stepped motor shaft ,idler surface and TT flywheel surface.? With either motor type, be sure you are using the correct TT belt model.???Improper belt can cause speed-issue problems. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9AVsgjUpGRdzH59A3BUCJ0T5CZDuCPEpkLZwBqWEUk3YbO21P6/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Apr 3 13:21:38 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Apr 3 13:23:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 78 rpm final production In-Reply-To: <20090403.154253.20059.1@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090403.154253.20059.1@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Hmmm, I disagree with you Jim. I believe the production of 78's stopped much earlier than 1960 in the USA. Look at Elvis' last 78: I Got Stung/One Night, 1958. Apparently only a couple hundred copies were pressed, and it's very collectible in the US. But in Canada it's much more common. There were two more Elvis 78's pressed in Canada after this: "Now and Then there's a Fool Such as I", and "Big Hunk of Love" (the latter released July 1959... It was the last 78 that RCA released). I have a CD set of Elvis, and they show "One Night" as the last Elvis 78, when we know there were two more issued in Canada after this. One Canadian dealer told me of a March 1960 record that he found. The Everly Bros song "Let It Be Me", from 1960 was also pressed in Canada, but you'll never find a USA pressing. Then, to make things even more interesting, Britian pressed them into the early 1960's, and other countries such as The Phillipines, South Africa, and India made pop 78's up to about 1966. So, I have to assert that USA production of 78's ceased for the most part in late 1958, or early 1959 at the very latest. If anyone else has more info on this, we'd be pleased to hear it. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 2009, April, 03 3:43 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up Gentlemen: I think that 78 RPM record production of hit singles in the US was stopped circa 1960. This was probably for the holdouts who still had single-speed 78 RPM phonos at home. In the late 50's, 78 production dwindled as the public adapted to the new record speeds. The last 78 disc I remember seeing was a Brunswick label of "Lonely Teardrops" by Jackie Wilson. Several aftermarket conversion kits were available to convert W1015 lollipop tone arms to lighter tracking cartridges for either 78 or 45 RPM in the 80's Victory Glass sold an adapter kit based around an Astatic 51 cartridge. Another kit (SuperSound?) used a Stanton 500 mag cartridge with a 3 or 1 mil needle along with a preamp/volumecontrol chassis. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to find out about the ultimate Cabo San Lucas vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXDaqpYsY51FdczbzBM ePWLtDxDrFRpM6GVEoXvG9ZqVmxVmsBx76/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From nipper45 at verizon.net Fri Apr 3 14:31:16 2009 From: nipper45 at verizon.net (John Lee) Date: Fri Apr 3 14:32:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up In-Reply-To: References: <784452.67558.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0KHJ003ZLNRKB1VJ@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> That sounds like a Canadian 78. I've never seen a US "four-eye" 78, but the 4s were yellow with black print. I have a few Canadian Columbia 45s of this period (Marty Robbins' "Just Married", etc. ) and they are maroon with silver print. I saw a photo of a Canadian 78 of "The Blob" by the Five Blobs and it was maroon with silver print also. http://www.cool78s.com/Cool_200506.html I's love to have that 78! Maybe that operator was importing Canadian 78s to keep his 78 machines going. At 12:38 PM 4/3/2009, you wrote: >I've never heard it called "walking eye", but I can see why you would >say that. It's maroon, with silver lettering from what I remember. The >label does not look any different than other Columbia's of the period. > >-----Original Message----- >From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com >[mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David >Breneman >Sent: 2009, April, 03 2:40 PM >To: Jukebox mailing list >Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up > > >-- On Fri, 4/3/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > > > P.s. I have a copy of "Battle of New Orleans" on a Cdn Columbia 78. > >Really? Now I've got one to look for. Does it have the "walking eye" >label or something else? > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >_______________________________________________________________________ > >This e-mail may be privileged and/or >confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. >Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail >or the information it contains by other than an >intended recipient is unauthorized. >If you received this e-mail in error, please >advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. > >Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et >prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits >et obligations qui s'y rapportent. >Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce >message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par >une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. >Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par >erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par >retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: >270.11.40/2039 - Release Date: 04/03/09 06:19:00 From srice3 at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 3 14:33:26 2009 From: srice3 at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Rice) Date: Fri Apr 3 14:34:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Galaxy CD Jukebox help needed Message-ID: Hi All! I am looking for some help with a NSM Galaxy CD jukebox. I purchased this jukebox broken and found a bad diode in the controller board but still have no indication on the display selector but now all 4 power supply lights come on. Also the coin mech was unplugged from the controller and not sure which plug it plugs into on the controller board as there are 2 possible locations. The controller board is a NR 206631A. Schematics manual and programming information would be a big help! Does anyone have any info on these? Thanks Steve From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Apr 3 15:47:18 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Apr 3 15:50:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 78 rpm final production Message-ID: <20090403.184718.15188.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Hello, Michael: This is a fuzzy 45 yr old memory for me. I was interested in pop records/music as a teen in the late 50's,probably more than the jukeboxes at the time. I do remember seeing a copy of Lonely Teardrops on a Brunswick 78 (don't know whether it was Canadian, US, etc) I also remember there were several jukeboxes on locations in a small Michigan resort town. The jukes were interesting because you could watch the B side of the record being tracked upside down. The jukes were loaded with 78 versions of top hits in '57 and '58-maybe later.(When was Lonely Teardrops a hit?) Don't know details about the records themselves.(labels,origin,etc) It seemed a little old-fashioned as the 45 singles were what we were buying and had at home. It seems a little ironic now as these machines were all early 50's Wurli. models that were speed-convertible. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click for your daily horoscope, learn about money, love & family. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQwkBYIbzKljL11h8s6I0l6MDd0pNfsZBOYpiOmt1Y4CjfFqYdq60/ From srice3 at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 3 11:59:26 2009 From: srice3 at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Rice) Date: Fri Apr 3 19:37:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Galaxy CD Jukebox Message-ID: Hi All! I am looking for a manual and any kind of programming info for a NSM Galaxy CD jukebox. I purchased this jukebox broken and found a bad diode in the controller board but still have no indication on the display selector. Also the coin mech was unplugged from the controller and not sure which plug it plugs into. The controller board is a Nr 206631A. Any help would sure be appreciated. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission, and kindly delete the message without copying or disclosing it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From wurlitzeronthefritz at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 19:43:01 2009 From: wurlitzeronthefritz at gmail.com (Making a Repair) Date: Fri Apr 3 19:44:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan In-Reply-To: <3154d3690904011853u6dc4e1e7u7e18ca6a950ab580@mail.gmail.com> References: <633344.92984.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <92727260904011834v107deadev89edcf66ba47bf86@mail.gmail.com> <3154d3690904011853u6dc4e1e7u7e18ca6a950ab580@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92727260904031943t2e1ba4c9wb0eaec045ba70342@mail.gmail.com> Jens, I measured the resistance and I got solid readings across all three contacts in both positions. However, I did notice some sparks when the switch was activated. So I spent a lot of time cleaning the contacts. I believe it did help. Now when I make a selection the unit does scan looking for a raised pin. The motor then transfers directions and moves the mechanism slightly and then the motor stops. I can then advance the mechanism using the reject button on the amp. At the end of the record it starts to retract the arm and then stops again. Do you think this may be due to a sluggish motor? On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Jens Hultgren wrote: > Me thinks you still have a bad connection in the transfer switch. Sometimes > cleaning is not enough and you need to adjust the switch blades a little to > increase the pressure between the contact points. > > Jens > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Making a Repair < > wurlitzeronthefritz@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Last night I got the juke bos to scan, load a record and play it. > > However, I did this all by holding down the cancel button on the amp. > > I let up once the record was loaded. I am sure I am close. > > > > On 3/30/09, Ron Rich wrote: > > > When you say that you "adjusted" the switch, what do you mean ? Did you > > > adjust the switch actuating screw, or the switch contact blades ? If > you > > > did not check the contacts for dirty, pitted, silver points, then use a > > > "Burnishing tool" on them, the may "look" good, but be failing to make > > good > > > contact . Measure the resistance (with the power OFF) of the contacts > to > > be > > > sure they are good. Ron Rich > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Making a Repair > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Making a Repair > > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan > > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 4:07 PM > > > > > > Looking for some input. I have a wurlitzer 2300 that will not scan. > > > > > > When I make a selection a pin is released in the selector unit. The > > wobble > > > plate engages the override switch. I have confirmed that power is > going > > to > > > the reverse switch. However, the motor will not spin nor search for > the > > > raised pin. > > > > > > I have also confirmed that the motor runs in both directions. I have > > got > > > the motor to move in the scan mode but, it only once when I tinkered > with > > > the transfer switch. I have adjusted the transfer switch per the > manual > > > but, it still will not scan. > > > > > > Thoughts from anyone. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 19:51:12 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Apr 3 19:52:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan Message-ID: <212852.49001.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Check the switch again, at the point after the motor stops (With the power OFF). Ron Rich --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Making a Repair wrote: From: Making a Repair Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 7:43 PM Jens, I measured the resistance and I got solid readings across all three contacts in both positions.? However, I did notice some sparks when the switch was activated.???So I spent a lot of time cleaning the contacts. I believe it did help.? Now when I make a selection the unit does scan looking for a raised pin.? The motor then transfers directions and moves the mechanism slightly and then the motor stops.???I can then advance the mechanism using the reject button on the amp. At the end of the record it starts to retract the arm and then stops again. Do you think this may be due to a sluggish motor? On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Jens Hultgren wrote: > Me thinks you still have a bad connection in the transfer switch. Sometimes > cleaning is not enough and you need to adjust the switch blades a little to > increase the pressure between the contact points. > >? Jens > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Making a Repair < > wurlitzeronthefritz@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Last night I got the juke bos to scan, load a record and play it. > > However, I did this all by holding down the cancel button on the amp. > > I let up once the record was loaded.? I am sure I am close. > > > > On 3/30/09, Ron Rich wrote: > > > When you say that you "adjusted" the switch, what do you mean ? Did you > > > adjust the switch actuating screw, or the switch contact blades ?? If > you > > > did not check the contacts for dirty, pitted, silver points, then use a > > > "Burnishing tool" on them, the may "look" good, but be failing to make > > good > > > contact .? Measure the resistance (with the power OFF) of the contacts > to > > be > > > sure they are good.? Ron? Rich > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Making a Repair > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Making a Repair > > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan > > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 4:07 PM > > > > > > Looking for some input.? I have a wurlitzer 2300 that will not scan.. > > > > > > When I make a selection a pin is released in the selector unit.???The > > wobble > > > plate engages the override switch.???I have confirmed that power is > going > > to > > > the reverse switch.???However, the motor will not spin nor search for > the > > > raised pin. > > > > > > I have also confirmed that the motor runs in both directions.???I have > > got > > > the motor to move in the scan mode but, it only once when I tinkered > with > > > the transfer switch.???I have adjusted the transfer switch per the > manual > > > but, it still will not scan. > > > > > > Thoughts from anyone. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Sat Apr 4 03:30:37 2009 From: chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk (Chris K. Tanner) Date: Sat Apr 4 03:33:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up References: <41355.62010.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3154d3690904030902r64e3723en53ea39585d958ab7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006b01c9b510$85490870$2501a8c0@acer47253a5cc0> I have a spare re-plated lolipop tone arm for sale . Email me off forum if interested. Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Hultgren" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up It is fairly simple. You need to change the turntable worm gear and the fiber gear. The worm gear is pinned on the shaft and the shaft is soft so be careful not to bend it.The tonearm is likely replaced with a lighter "jacobs" tonearm to play 45s. You would probably want the original lollipop style tonearm for the looks. They are reproduced but you can also find original ones (cad-plated) on ebay for around 125 USD. Then you will have to fiddle a little with the start and trip settings. A genuine conversion to 45 rpm would have comprised using a solenoid trip such as found in a Wurlitzer 1100. That is a good thing, makes adjustments a lot easier. Good luck and enjoy! Jens PS - the paint will actually protect the veneer to some degree. Can be a lot of work to take it off tho. Especially on the front door (was it painted too?). Brown is a good colour to remove, as it won't show if there are some residue left deep in the pores. Red paint is a b-tch to remove for that reason. Speckle paint is a "genuine" 50's style tho. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > It's quite possible. I believe it came out January or February of 1959, so > it would be at the cut off period in the USA. Canada pressed up to the end > of 1959. > > Ron, do you know if it's hard to change the mech gears back to 78 in a > 1015? How about the tonearm conversion? > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto: > jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich > Sent: 2009, April, 03 11:37 AM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up > > I thought that I had the "Battle of New Orleans", on 78 also, as a kid > here > (US)--was not sure. Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > > From: Dicecco, Michael > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 6:42 AM > > Thanks to all who gave input on this question. Let me tell you why I asked > it in the first place. > > I found a 1015 on Kajiji (quite by accident). The owner's had it for 15 > years, and never got around to restoring it. There were some pictures > posted, and it looked rough: the usual melted plastics, and the entire > cabinet had been sprayed with brown speckled paint.The owner says this is > better as it would have protected the original finish (talk about > salesmanship). > > I wanted more detail before considering to make an offer, so he sent many > interior pictures. My main concern was whether or not it had coin > equipment > (most of it seems to be there: the grinder and cash box, but it's missing > the chutes on the door). > > When I was looking at the photos I noted.... Gasp! There's 45's in the > record stack! I asked the owner if he had converted it, he said it came > that > way when he bought it, and then insisted that 1015's were designed to play > 45's! I didn't want to argue with him, to remain on good terms. > > In the end, we worked out a deal, and I gave him a deposit. Will pick it > up > in a couple of weeks. I'm excited! > > Now, I'm wondering what is involved in converting it back to 78. Victory > sells a gear kit for this purpose, but does it mean taking apart a large > portion of the mech? > Also, how was the tonearm mangled to play a 7" record? Is that easy to > convert back? > > Thanks for everyone's advice and comments. This is a great list. > > P.s. I have a copy of "Battle of New Orleans" on a Cdn Columbia 78. Not > sure about "Mule Skinner Blues" being available on 78 though. > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Bob > Ellingson > Sent: 2009, April, 02 1:58 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 > > At 11:32 PM 4/1/2009 -0500, Steve Wahl wrote: > > > > >But the original question was why is there any demand for a "real" > >1015 setup to play 45s, as opposed to just getting a OMT. I suggested > >perhaps as a kid they saw an original on location playing 45s, and > >wanted one like it. > > > > When I was a kid and we would make our bi-annual visit to see my > grandparents in Billings, MT, one of the highlights (besides fireworks for > the 4th) was playing pinball and the jukebox with my cousins in my > grandfather's basement. He actually had two 1015's, one in the basement > and > one in the "fruit stand" (where they sold the fireworks). Both were > converted to play 45's, and I would have been ecstatic to inherit either > one! Happy memories indeed (even though the Wurlies ended up with > cousins), and that figured heavily in my decision to get my first jukebox > (a > Seeburg AY) when my uncle turned up a couple from an old operator many > years > later. If I had gotten the 1015 first, I might not have gotten around to > converting it back to 78, unless I had later gotten some 45 jukes...who > knows? I just know that I would have insisted on having "Mule Skinner > Blues" by the Fendermen, and "Battle of New Orleans" by Johnny Horton > somewhere in the mix, and I don't think those came out on 78 rpm. > > --Bob > > ======================================================================= > Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., > Inc. http://www.halted..com 3500 Ryder St. > (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 > (FAX) > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not > waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it > contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail > or > otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2040 - Release Date: 04/03/09 17:54:00 From berrycbell at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 07:52:03 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Sat Apr 4 07:54:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 In-Reply-To: <50943.1238725963@cafes.net> References: <50943.1238725963@cafes.net> Message-ID: I knew this thread would go many directions. As a pure jukebox collector, I personally would never alter an original 1015 to play 45's, but as someone said, "different strokes for different folks". I'm with David in an earlier post, if you want a 45 player, there are many styles and offerings out there to suit your taste and needs. Berry Bell On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:32 PM, sonnygirl@cafes.net wrote: > It's only worth less to a buyer who wants 78rpm. The true value is in > the artistry...the wow factor of the machine...not the speed of the > turntable. A great original is a great original. A fine restoration is > a fine restoration. So, a 1015 is a 1015. Seller with machine + buyer > wanting machine + agreed value = SALE. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From cesinc at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 1 09:56:33 2009 From: cesinc at sbcglobal.net (CES Services) Date: Sat Apr 4 10:47:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-86 displays "3" in service mode Message-ID: <00ca01c9b2ea$d07aa600$716ff200$@net> I have a Rowe R-86 with a CCC 6-08870-01, was working great then just stopped, when the service switch is placed in service, the display on the CCC shows the number "3" , Not sure what this means, power supply LED's are illuminated, but the carousel will not move in scan mode and the system appears to be dead except for the "8 volt lED" is on. When you power on the system the fluorescent lights come on and the power supply lights come on but nothing else happens. Not sure what is going on here with it, any help would be appreciated. CES Services 4825 FM 1187 Burleson, Tx 76028 cesinc@sbcglobal.net 817-483-0052 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Apr 4 10:53:08 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Apr 4 10:54:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-86 displays "3" in service mode Message-ID: <844089.37269.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Try "resetting" the whole system--must be in "service" to do so--Then change the battery, if the reset works--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 4/1/09, CES Services wrote: From: CES Services Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-86 displays "3" in service mode To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 9:56 AM I have a Rowe R-86 with a CCC 6-08870-01, was working great then just stopped, when the service switch is placed in service, the display on the CCC shows the number "3" , Not sure what this means, power supply LED's are illuminated, but the carousel will not move in scan mode and the system appears to be dead except for the "8 volt lED" is on. When you power on the system the fluorescent lights come on and the power supply lights come on but nothing else happens. Not sure what is going on here with it, any help would be appreciated. CES Services 4825 FM 1187 Burleson, Tx 76028 cesinc@sbcglobal.net 817-483-0052 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Trollmasters at webtv.net Sat Apr 4 18:23:08 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Sat Apr 4 18:24:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 Amp. Message-ID: <27719-49D807FC-7591@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Has anyone rebuilt a 412 amp on the list. This is my first 412 amp I am rebuilding and capacitors C7 and C8 are confusing me a bit. They are part of a chassis mounted condensor block p/n 21547. Listed as 4mfd and 6mfd. These values are usually in the electrolytic or polarized range of caps. The schematic shows them hooked up with no reference to + or - , so are they electrolytic or just non-polarized coupling caps? There are 4 wires coming out of the bottom of the condensor block , but unfortunately they are all snipped and I cant make out which way they go. Any help would be appreciated. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From nikola1955 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 5 02:51:11 2009 From: nikola1955 at yahoo.com (Hans) Date: Sun Apr 5 02:52:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day Message-ID: <698870.46091.qm@web45716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> What I really meant to say was that several people (not especially in this forum though) have advised me not to use tube amps at full blast right after turning the on. I don?t know if this is truth or myth, it sounded plausible to me... Hans --- El vie, 3/4/09, Ron Rich escribi?: > De: Ron Rich > Asunto: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > Fecha: viernes, 3 abril, 2009 3:40 > I agree 100%---USE EM !? Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Lala Blah Blah > wrote: > > From: Lala Blah Blah > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound > at first record of the day > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 7:43 AM > > Hi Hans: > ? > Tube amp delicate? Thats the first time I have heard that. > Since I repair tube amps and have more then I care to > mention of tube amps (both juke and also Hi-Fi components). > I have to say they are by far more durable then any > transistor amp. If repaired correctly and checked every once > in a blue moon they operate just about forever. The usual > faults are dirty controls and bad capactitors. Although a > dirty muting relay and the odd time an out of value resistor > can be found these amps work flawlessly. I can't tell you > how many I have repaired over the years and most of the time > it was due to LACK of use. (Bad filter Capacitors they had > dried up or went leaky). Just thought I would let you know. > Its better to use it more often then let it sit idle. > ? > Regards Tony > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Hans > wrote: > > > From: Hans > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound > at first record of the day > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Received: Friday, April 3, 2009, 9:27 AM > > > > Hi Britt. > I turn it on when I want to play with it ;-), but I am > aware of the delicacy of the tube amp and I never start > using it right after turning it on. > Hans > > --- El jue, 2/4/09, Britt Abbott > escribi?: > > > De: Britt Abbott > > Asunto: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking > sound at first record of the day > > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Fecha: jueves, 2 abril, 2009 4:50 > > Hans, something simple... do you > > leave the juke on all day, or only turn on the master > power > > switch when you're ready to play a record? If the > lattter, > > then I'd suggest waiting about 3 minutes to allow the > tubes > > to heat up before selecting a record.. Remember, these > old > > tube amps are not like Ipod plug and play, they have > to warm > > up first. > > Britt > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at? 7:49 AM, Hans wrote: > > > > > When I turn on my Wurlitzer 2300S, the first 3 to > 4 > > minutes of the first single is played with a cracking > sound > > from the loudspeakers. It sounds like a contact is > making > > and breaking or, as my wife calls it, like a cell > phone with > > bad reception. After the first record the effect > disappears > > to return only the following day again when switching > on the > > box. > > > Intuitively I hold the amp responsible for the > problem > > but I was also thinking it might be the mute switch > or > > related contact switch blades. > > > Anyone familiar with this problem? > > > Hans > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > ? ? ? > __________________________________________________________________ > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving > junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail.? Click on > Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for > free at http://mail.yahoo.ca > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From nikola1955 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 5 02:55:25 2009 From: nikola1955 at yahoo.com (Hans) Date: Sun Apr 5 02:57:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day Message-ID: <246117.20359.qm@web45712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Yes, changing the volume does affect the level of cracking, so it must be the pre-amp then? I will try the unplugging of the tubes to see where it?s located. Thx Hans > >??? > Hi Hans, > > You need to do some troubleshooting here. > > 1) when you first turn the machine on and play the first > song - does the volume control affect the level of the > crackling? If yes, then the problem is in the pre-amp > section, and if no, the problem is then in the power amp > section. > > 2) if in the pre-amp, try unplugging tubes to see if you > can find the tube where the noise starts. Start at the input > end of the pre-amp and work towards the volume control. > > 3) recap the amp, and verify that ALL plate resistors have > the correct values near where the crackling was verified to > come from - you see I think you have a bad plate resistor, > or possibly a bad cathode resistor, caused by excessive > leakage current through a failing capacitor... > > John :-#)# > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada > V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, > VideoGames) > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From nikola1955 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 5 04:49:19 2009 From: nikola1955 at yahoo.com (Hans) Date: Sun Apr 5 04:52:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day Message-ID: <312730.31424.qm@web45703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> What I did find already was an incorrect reading of a resistor number R-65 (part.# 72999-2 acc. to Wurlitzer service manual). Looks melted, should be 310 Ohm (5 W), but only reads 240 Ohm. Anyone knows where to obtain these? I already searched on the Net with part number but no success. > Hi Hans, > > You need to do some troubleshooting here. > > 1) when you first turn the machine on and play the first > song - does the volume control affect the level of the > crackling? If yes, then the problem is in the pre-amp > section, and if no, the problem is then in the power amp > section. > > 2) if in the pre-amp, try unplugging tubes to see if you > can find the tube where the noise starts. Start at the input > end of the pre-amp and work towards the volume control. > > 3) recap the amp, and verify that ALL plate resistors have > the correct values near where the crackling was verified to > come from - you see I think you have a bad plate resistor, > or possibly a bad cathode resistor, caused by excessive > leakage current through a failing capacitor... > > John :-#)# > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada > V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, > VideoGames) > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Sun Apr 5 05:40:28 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Sun Apr 5 05:42:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record ofthe day References: <312730.31424.qm@web45703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <252241CE233F459287DF2023953ECD2B@JUKEBUS> ...Old resistors normally go higher in value, are you sure this was meant to be a 310 Ohm? Sometimes Wurlitzer made minor changes to values in the circuit, this could have been an update or a previous version. Also, 240 Ohm is a more common value than 310 - someone may have substituted a 240 Ohm replacement in the past! Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record ofthe day What I did find already was an incorrect reading of a resistor number R-65 (part.# 72999-2 acc. to Wurlitzer service manual). Looks melted, should be 310 Ohm (5 W), but only reads 240 Ohm. Anyone knows where to obtain these? I already searched on the Net with part number but no success. > Hi Hans, > > You need to do some troubleshooting here. > > 1) when you first turn the machine on and play the first > song - does the volume control affect the level of the > crackling? If yes, then the problem is in the pre-amp > section, and if no, the problem is then in the power amp > section. > > 2) if in the pre-amp, try unplugging tubes to see if you > can find the tube where the noise starts. Start at the input > end of the pre-amp and work towards the volume control. > > 3) recap the amp, and verify that ALL plate resistors have > the correct values near where the crackling was verified to > come from - you see I think you have a bad plate resistor, > or possibly a bad cathode resistor, caused by excessive > leakage current through a failing capacitor... > > John :-#)# > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada > V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, > VideoGames) > > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2041 - Release Date: 04/04/09 16:53:00 From wbabbott at verizon.net Sun Apr 5 04:55:48 2009 From: wbabbott at verizon.net (Britt Abbott) Date: Sun Apr 5 05:59:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 Amp. Message-ID: <1716851528.37013791238932548552.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Jim,wish I could help you out with some definitive help. All I can say is follow the schematic. If this cap is in that 4 and 6 mfd range then it's electrolytic. I assume you'll use two modern filter caps of those values. To determine proper connection for each wire, you'll need to look at the schematic to find the neg. groun leg for each cap. Sounds like this amp has been previously repaired, so there should be some modern Atom, Sprague, or Mallory cardboard tube filter caps in place of the old block. Sorry I can't give you more. Britt Chesapeake,VA On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 9:23 PM, James McClave wrote: > Has anyone rebuilt a 412 amp on the list.? This is my first 412 amp I > am rebuilding and capacitors C7 and C8 are confusing me a bit. They are part of a chassis mounted condensor block p/n 21547.? Listed as 4mfd and 6mfd.? These values are usually in the electrolytic or polarized range of caps.? The schematic shows them hooked up with no reference to + or - , so are they electrolytic or just non-polarized coupling caps?? There are 4 wires coming out of the bottom of the condensor block , but unfortunately they are all snipped and I cant make out which way they go. Any help would be appreciated.?? Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? From jeremy at dwave.net Sun Apr 5 06:48:36 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sun Apr 5 06:50:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day In-Reply-To: <312730.31424.qm@web45703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <312730.31424.qm@web45703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090405134551.M3949@dwave.net> Hi Hans, I purchase my electrical components from Mouser.com. They have a great selection and good prices. Check out their web site and punch in 286-300. That is a 5W 300 ohm resistor. To get to 310 you will need to add a 10 ohm resistor in series with the 300 ohm. Jeremy Agema On Sun, 5 Apr 2009 04:49:19 -0700 (PDT), Hans wrote > What I did find already was an incorrect reading of a resistor > number R-65 (part.# 72999-2 acc. to Wurlitzer service manual). Looks > melted, should be 310 Ohm (5 W), but only reads 240 Ohm. Anyone > knows where to obtain these? I already searched on the Net with part > number but no success. > From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Apr 5 08:11:38 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Apr 5 08:15:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 Amp. References: <27719-49D807FC-7591@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <001501c9b600$d3529630$6101a8c0@Dirksen> It's been many years, but I know those are electrolytic. I seem to remember them being rated at 600 volts, which you may have a hard time finding. You might have to use two 8mfd at 400 volt caps in series to replace the 4mfd cap, and two 12mfd at 400 volts to replace the 6mfd cap. Or maybe two 10mfd in series for either one will work fine. I also had trouble with a huge multisection wirewound resistor and had to replace each section separately. I used a wooden dowel inside to keep them all lined up while I soldered everything in place. After a dozen or so plays, my amp started to smell like a woodburning kit. Only then did I remember to remove the dowel, which was already charred. Be especially careful poking around in this amp. One more thing - the amp doesn't like vibration and you may hear some "squealing" at times - you may find swapping the #30 tubes around will help, and also using some isolation pads under the amp. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McClave" To: Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 Amp. > Has anyone rebuilt a 412 amp on the list. This is my first 412 amp I am > rebuilding and capacitors C7 and C8 are confusing me a bit. They are > part of a chassis mounted condensor block p/n 21547. Listed as 4mfd and > 6mfd. These values are usually in the electrolytic or polarized range > of caps. The schematic shows them hooked up with no reference to + or - > , so are they electrolytic or just non-polarized coupling caps? There > are 4 wires coming out of the bottom of the condensor block , but > unfortunately they are all snipped and I cant make out which way they > go. Any help would be appreciated. Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From Trollmasters at webtv.net Sun Apr 5 08:32:58 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Sun Apr 5 08:34:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 Amp. In-Reply-To: 's message of Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:11:38 -0400 Message-ID: <18029-49D8CF2A-7684@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Jim/Britt thanks for the info. I am replacing that large wire-wound resistor too, its bad, and Im replacing it with all individual resistors. The caps I mentioned C7 and C8, I do believe they are probably electrolytic too. Wish wurlitzer had labled polarity better on this schematic, because there is one cap in there, C16 , that they have labled as a positive ground. The rest are not labled. Why they did that , I dont know. Maybe because its the only one thats a pos. ground in there? Neither C7 or C8 go directly to ground. Both sides are hooked up to other cicuitry almost as a B+ and B- type setup. This is in the running as "the amp from hell" Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Apr 5 08:39:17 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Apr 5 08:41:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 Amp. Message-ID: <647380.32373.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Did you check Vern's site--SOMETIMES, he notes things like that on his schemo's--Ron Rich --- On Sun, 4/5/09, James McClave wrote: From: James McClave Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 Amp. To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 8:32 AM Jim/Britt thanks for the info. I am replacing that large wire-wound resistor too, its bad, and Im replacing it with all individual resistors.? The caps I mentioned C7 and C8, I do believe they are probably electrolytic too.? Wish wurlitzer had labled polarity better on this schematic, because there is one cap in there, C16 , that they have labled as a positive ground.? The rest are not labled. Why they did that , I dont know. Maybe because its the only one thats a pos. ground in there? Neither C7 or C8 go directly to ground. Both sides are hooked up to other cicuitry almost as a B+ and B- type setup.? This is in the running as "the amp from hell"???Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Sun Apr 5 08:25:09 2009 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Sun Apr 5 08:45:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 Amp. References: <27719-49D807FC-7591@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <001501c9b600$d3529630$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <131AAD0C6B464F20A0D63F32B28A3B62@DFLXW121> Capacitors that will work at tube amp voltages are available here: http://www.justradios.com/capacitors.html Jon Scaptura Binghamton Radio Online http://www.binghamtonradio.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 Amp. > It's been many years, but I know those are electrolytic. I seem to > remember them being rated at 600 volts, which you may have a hard time > finding. You might have to use two 8mfd at 400 volt caps in series to > replace the 4mfd cap, and two 12mfd at 400 volts to replace the 6mfd cap. > Or maybe two 10mfd in series for either one will work fine. I also had > trouble with a huge multisection wirewound resistor and had to replace > each section separately. I used a wooden dowel inside to keep them all > lined up while I soldered everything in place. After a dozen or so plays, > my amp started to smell like a woodburning kit. Only then did I remember > to remove the dowel, which was already charred. Be especially careful > poking around in this amp. One more thing - the amp doesn't like vibration > and you may hear some "squealing" at times - you may find swapping the #30 > tubes around will help, and also using some isolation pads under the amp. > Good luck, > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James McClave" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:23 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 Amp. > > >> Has anyone rebuilt a 412 amp on the list. This is my first 412 amp I am >> rebuilding and capacitors C7 and C8 are confusing me a bit. They are >> part of a chassis mounted condensor block p/n 21547. Listed as 4mfd and >> 6mfd. These values are usually in the electrolytic or polarized range >> of caps. The schematic shows them hooked up with no reference to + or - >> , so are they electrolytic or just non-polarized coupling caps? There >> are 4 wires coming out of the bottom of the condensor block , but >> unfortunately they are all snipped and I cant make out which way they >> go. Any help would be appreciated. Jim >> >> E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From pinball at telus.net Sun Apr 5 09:27:12 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Apr 5 09:28:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record of the day In-Reply-To: <312730.31424.qm@web45703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <312730.31424.qm@web45703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D8DBE0.9040104@telus.net> Hans wrote: > What I did find already was an incorrect reading of a resistor number R-65 (part.# 72999-2 acc. to Wurlitzer service manual). Looks melted, should be 310 Ohm (5 W), but only reads 240 Ohm. Anyone knows where to obtain these? I already searched on the Net with part number but no success. > > > Try lifting one leg of the resistor and checking again. Have you replaced the capacitors yet? Rather pointless to troubleshoot further until you do... 5 Watt resistors are normally wirewound and do not change their value, however there could be a poor internal connection between the resistance wire and the clamp that joins it to the wire lead and that could be the source of noise when cold. Also you do not need to be precise on the values - if you check the schematic it usually gives you the variance allowed - +/- 10% is common for resistors. So a modern 300 ohm 5W resistor is well within the allowable tolerances. John :-#)# > >> Hi Hans, >> >> You need to do some troubleshooting here. >> >> 1) when you first turn the machine on and play the first >> song - does the volume control affect the level of the >> crackling? If yes, then the problem is in the pre-amp >> section, and if no, the problem is then in the power amp >> section. >> >> 2) if in the pre-amp, try unplugging tubes to see if you >> can find the tube where the noise starts. Start at the input >> end of the pre-amp and work towards the volume control. >> >> 3) recap the amp, and verify that ALL plate resistors have >> the correct values near where the crackling was verified to >> come from - you see I think you have a bad plate resistor, >> or possibly a bad cathode resistor, caused by excessive >> leakage current through a failing capacitor... >> >> John :-#)# >> >> -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada >> V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, >> VideoGames) >> >> www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip >> out" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > > > > > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From wbabbott at verizon.net Sun Apr 5 09:31:12 2009 From: wbabbott at verizon.net (Britt Abbott) Date: Sun Apr 5 09:32:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 Amp. Message-ID: <2075280518.34493211238949072455.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Jim, is this C7 / C8 filter cap "isolated" from chassis ground, ie. is the block have some cardboard insulator where the block metal does not touch the chassis? If it's like the metal can caps that sit on top, some are isolated from chassis ground with a carboard tube, such that you have a "floating" grounded cap. I'm currently working on a 1938 Fairbanks Morse radio chassis that has one metal can cap that is floating, the negative side is actually connected to the center tap of the transformer. My novice electronics brain keeps wanting to find where these electrolytic cap negative side is grounded to chassis, but that's not always the case in that it grounds going through other channels such as the B-. If you're not confident in wiring the negative side, I'd suggest you log on to the Antique Radio Forum on the net (see below link). Under the forum section you can sign up as a member and post your question, begging their pardon for posting other than a radio question, under the Electronic Restoration forum with a scan of the schematic. There are a lot of seasoned radio experts who will gladly answer your question. Afterall, these tube amps mirror the " push-pull" amplifier stage of the old tube superhet radios and share the same characteristics. http://www.antiqueradios.com/ Britt On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, James McClave wrote: > Jim/Britt thanks for the info. I am replacing that large wire-wound > resistor too, its bad, and Im replacing it with all individual > resistors. The caps I mentioned C7 and C8, I do believe they are > probably electrolytic too. Wish wurlitzer had labled polarity better > on > this schematic, because there is one cap in there, C16 , that they > have > labled as a positive ground. The rest are not labled. Why they did > that > , I dont know. Maybe because its the only one thats a pos. ground in > there? Neither C7 or C8 go directly to ground. Both sides are hooked > up > to other cicuitry almost as a B+ and B- type setup. This is in the > running as "the amp from hell" Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Trollmasters at webtv.net Sun Apr 5 15:35:55 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Sun Apr 5 15:37:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 Amp. In-Reply-To: Ron Rich 's message of Sun, 5 Apr 2009 08:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <18039-49D9324B-867@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Verns site doesnt list the 412 amp at all. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From Trollmasters at webtv.net Sun Apr 5 16:34:44 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Sun Apr 5 16:36:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 Amp. In-Reply-To: Britt Abbott 's message of Sun, 05 Apr 2009 11:31:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <27721-49D94014-7283@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Yes, the C7 and C8 caps are mounted on top of the chassis as one unit with the 2 caps in the one unit. It does have a cardbord cover all around it and does not touch chassis ground. For the 4 mfd one , I could use a 4.7 mfd , and for the 6 mfd one , the closest I can find is an 8mfd. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From wurlitzeronthefritz at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 17:34:15 2009 From: wurlitzeronthefritz at gmail.com (Making a Repair) Date: Sun Apr 5 17:35:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan In-Reply-To: <212852.49001.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <212852.49001.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92727260904051734r52665038u7e1976b99fc50b85@mail.gmail.com> I found the problems and Ron you were correct it was the Play switch. One of the set of contacts was very dirty and wasn't making good contact. Thanks to everyone's insight and willingness to help. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Check the switch again, at the point after the motor stops (With the power > OFF). Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Making a Repair wrote: > > From: Making a Repair > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 7:43 PM > > Jens, > > I measured the resistance and I got solid readings across all three > contacts > in both positions. However, I did notice some sparks when the switch was > activated. So I spent a lot of time cleaning the contacts. > > I believe it did help. Now when I make a selection the unit does scan > looking for a raised pin. The motor then transfers directions and moves > the > mechanism slightly and then the motor stops. I can then advance the > mechanism using the reject button on the amp. > > At the end of the record it starts to retract the arm and then stops again. > > > Do you think this may be due to a sluggish motor? > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Jens Hultgren wrote: > > > Me thinks you still have a bad connection in the transfer switch. > Sometimes > > cleaning is not enough and you need to adjust the switch blades a little > to > > increase the pressure between the contact points. > > > > Jens > > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Making a Repair < > > wurlitzeronthefritz@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Last night I got the juke bos to scan, load a record and play it. > > > However, I did this all by holding down the cancel button on the amp. > > > I let up once the record was loaded. I am sure I am close. > > > > > > On 3/30/09, Ron Rich wrote: > > > > When you say that you "adjusted" the switch, what do you mean ? Did > you > > > > adjust the switch actuating screw, or the switch contact blades ? If > > you > > > > did not check the contacts for dirty, pitted, silver points, then use > a > > > > "Burnishing tool" on them, the may "look" good, but be failing to > make > > > good > > > > contact . Measure the resistance (with the power OFF) of the > contacts > > to > > > be > > > > sure they are good. Ron Rich > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Making a Repair > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Making a Repair > > > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 will not scan > > > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 4:07 PM > > > > > > > > Looking for some input. I have a wurlitzer 2300 that will not scan.. > > > > > > > > When I make a selection a pin is released in the selector unit. The > > > wobble > > > > plate engages the override switch. I have confirmed that power is > > going > > > to > > > > the reverse switch. However, the motor will not spin nor search for > > the > > > > raised pin. > > > > > > > > I have also confirmed that the motor runs in both directions. I > have > > > got > > > > the motor to move in the scan mode but, it only once when I tinkered > > with > > > > the transfer switch. I have adjusted the transfer switch per the > > manual > > > > but, it still will not scan. > > > > > > > > Thoughts from anyone. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From Trollmasters at webtv.net Sun Apr 5 17:43:04 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Sun Apr 5 17:44:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 Amp. In-Reply-To: 's message of Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:11:38 -0400 Message-ID: <16894-49D95018-2202@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Found a 6.8uf at 450V at justradios.com , and I have a few 4.7 uf at 450V . The voltage rating listed for the 4 and 6 uf original caps is 500 for one and 600 for the other. Certainly this voltage wouldnt exceed 450 would it? Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From wbabbott at verizon.net Sun Apr 5 18:31:57 2009 From: wbabbott at verizon.net (Britt Abbott) Date: Sun Apr 5 18:33:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 Amp. Message-ID: <1104635496.37613811238981517122.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Jim, 6.8 and 4.7 will do just fine. Actually the 8 will do alright also. As I recall electrolytics are OK up to 20% on the "high" side. The 500 to 600 volt ratings are fine. Most of these had 450-. 500 volt ratings originally. Go to www.justradios.com and read the section on Capacitor Tips....very informative on all capacitors used in old electronics. I didn't catch in your original post, does the multisection can cap have wires coming out of the bottom, like one black wire for neg ground and two other color wires for the pos side? Or, does it have just two positive studs coming out of the bottom where wire leads were soldered? On my Fairbanks radio the cap that was isolated from chassis ground had a single cap inside with a single pos stud in the bottom. The cardborad tube isolated the can from chassis ground, BUT between the cardboard and the cap can was a thin sheet metal strip lead with wire connected where the can as neg fed to center tap of transformer. Britt On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:43 PM, James McClave wrote: > Found a 6.8uf at 450V at justradios.com , and I have a few 4.7 uf at 450V . The voltage rating listed for the 4 and 6 uf original caps is 500 for one and 600 for the other. Certainly this voltage wouldnt exceed 450 would it?? Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? From Trollmasters at webtv.net Sun Apr 5 19:24:52 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Sun Apr 5 19:26:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 Amp. In-Reply-To: Britt Abbott 's message of Sun, 05 Apr 2009 20:31:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <16896-49D967F4-1553@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Britt , the 500 and 600 V ratings are whats called for in the schematic , but the highest voltage rating I can find for the 4.7 and 6.8 at justradios.com is 450V . Im kinda thinking that would be okay too. I havnt seen too many tube amps with voltages exceeding 450V . The wires for the caps {c7 and c8} have been clipped near the bottom where they come out. There are 4 wires , and unfortunately the colors have faded . Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From dan-lukas at wi.rr.com Mon Apr 6 07:35:56 2009 From: dan-lukas at wi.rr.com (Dan Lukas) Date: Mon Apr 6 07:52:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem Message-ID: Hi Everyone this is my first post so be gentle on me. I looked back in the archives but didn't see anything to address my problem. I have a Rockola 1497 which won't select records anymore. There are 3 push button banks on this box. A-K will not depress and engage at all. L-V and #1-0 will engage but will just stay engaged without anything happening. If I use the reject switch the engaged keys will disengage. I have a manual for the box but am unclear as to what is going on. This almost looks to be a 2 fold problem with the one bank of buttons not even engaging. Is this electrical, mechanical or both? Also, does anyone know of a Rockola technician in the Milwaukee WI area? Thanks for any help you can provide. Dan From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 08:33:24 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Apr 6 08:35:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem Message-ID: <957567.69315.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dan, Just a guess--is one of the PLASTIC buttons in the first section broken--"stuck down", by any Chance? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: From: Dan Lukas Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 7:35 AM Hi Everyone this is my first post so be gentle on me.? I looked back in the archives but didn't see anything to address my problem. I have a Rockola 1497 which won't select records anymore.? There are 3 push button banks on this box.? A-K will not depress and engage at all.? L-V and #1-0 will engage but will just stay engaged without anything happening.? If I use the reject switch the engaged keys will disengage.? I have a manual for the box but am unclear as to what is going on.? This almost looks to be a 2 fold problem with the one bank of buttons not even engaging.? Is this electrical, mechanical or both? Also, does anyone know of a Rockola technician in the Milwaukee WI area? Thanks for any help you can provide. Dan _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tjmertz at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 6 08:41:13 2009 From: tjmertz at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Mertz) Date: Mon Apr 6 08:49:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem In-Reply-To: <957567.69315.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <741500.69864.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've also found on my 1495 that there are little metal plates glued to bottom the sectors and that these fall off making the push down action only partial and may also jam the mechanics.? Hard to describe, anyone else want to try? ? TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on?Madison Public Schools --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 10:33 AM Dan, Just a guess--is one of the PLASTIC buttons in the first section broken--"stuck down", by any Chance? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: From: Dan Lukas Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 7:35 AM Hi Everyone this is my first post so be gentle on me.? I looked back in the archives but didn't see anything to address my problem. I have a Rockola 1497 which won't select records anymore.? There are 3 push button banks on this box.? A-K will not depress and engage at all.? L-V and #1-0 will engage but will just stay engaged without anything happening.? If I use the reject switch the engaged keys will disengage.? I have a manual for the box but am unclear as to what is going on.? This almost looks to be a 2 fold problem with the one bank of buttons not even engaging.? Is this electrical, mechanical or both? Also, does anyone know of a Rockola technician in the Milwaukee WI area? Thanks for any help you can provide. Dan _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dan-lukas at wi.rr.com Mon Apr 6 11:55:03 2009 From: dan-lukas at wi.rr.com (Dan Lukas) Date: Mon Apr 6 11:56:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem Message-ID: Ron Yes the 7 button is broken and stuck down. Also the N button is partially stuck down. This was the last record that looks to have been played. I am assuming that the reject or reset function may be broken. Is this a fuse or solenoid? From dan-lukas at wi.rr.com Mon Apr 6 12:02:57 2009 From: dan-lukas at wi.rr.com (Dan Lukas) Date: Mon Apr 6 12:04:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem Message-ID: Since I do have a jammed cracked #7 would a replace of the key do the trick? I saw I can order the replacements from Victory. ~dan From tjmertz at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 6 12:11:29 2009 From: tjmertz at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Mertz) Date: Mon Apr 6 12:13:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <961944.68231.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Odds are you can unstick by hand.? It helps to take the bottom diffuser off to get a good angle. TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on?Madison Public Schools --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: From: Dan Lukas Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:55 PM Ron Yes the 7 button is broken and stuck down. Also the N button is partially stuck down. This was the last record that looks to have been played. I am assuming that the reject or reset function may be broken. Is this a fuse or solenoid? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gibson510 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 6 12:19:39 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Mon Apr 6 12:21:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg symphonola 147 (Trashcan) Message-ID: I'm currently working on a trashcan and the credit unit apparently got warm at one point and burned the solenoid(s) Can anyone tell me where I can obtain these or a cross reference from the original(s)? I prefer a new, or new old stock option instead of used, but will take what I can get. Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 From dan-lukas at wi.rr.com Mon Apr 6 13:12:46 2009 From: dan-lukas at wi.rr.com (Dan Lukas) Date: Mon Apr 6 13:14:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem In-Reply-To: <961944.68231.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <961944.68231.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: TJ Is that referred to as the color shield? It looks like there are 4 nuts that need to be removed from the inside to remove that shield. If and when I get those 2 keys freed up is there anything else I should do? Like spray some contact cleaner on them? I'm going to order a new push button set also. Thanks Dan On Apr 6, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: > Odds are you can unstick by hand. It helps to take the bottom > diffuser off to get a good angle. > > TJ > > Thomas J. Mertz > Department of History > Edgewood College > tjmertz@sbcglobal.net > Advocating on Madison Public Schools > > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: > From: Dan Lukas > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:55 PM > > Ron > > Yes the 7 button is broken and stuck down. Also the N button is > partially > stuck down. This was the last record that looks to have been > played. I am > assuming that the reject or reset function may be broken. Is this a > fuse or > solenoid? > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Apr 6 13:53:20 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Mon Apr 6 13:55:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer Message-ID: <001401c9b6f9$b89208e0$29b61aa0$@net> Ran across this pic http://media.photobucket.com/image/wurlitzer/Achille_Andries/Wurlitzer.jpg?o =31 while looking on photobucket. Anyone have any idea what model it is? It's not listed in any of my reference books. Rich From nikola1955 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 13:54:22 2009 From: nikola1955 at yahoo.com (Hans) Date: Mon Apr 6 13:56:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record ofthe day Message-ID: <242612.81243.qm@web45710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello Adrian. Yes quite sure. I have to admit they are odd-looking resistors though, but they look very original. They are dark brown and don?t have any colour code rings. They have a text written on them ("res inc" if my memory serves me well) and the impedance: 310 Ohm, which coincides with the specs in the manual. Hans --- El dom, 5/4/09, Juke of Shrewsbury escribi?: > De: Juke of Shrewsbury > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record ofthe day > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > Fecha: domingo, 5 abril, 2009 12:40 > ...Old resistors normally go higher > in value, are you sure this was meant to > be a 310 Ohm? Sometimes Wurlitzer made minor changes to > values in the > circuit, this could have been an update or a previous > version. Also, 240 Ohm > is a more common value than 310 - someone may have > substituted a 240 Ohm > replacement in the past! > Adrian.. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans" > To: ; > "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:49 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound > at first record > ofthe day > > > > What I did find already was an incorrect reading of a > resistor number R-65 > (part.# 72999-2 acc. to Wurlitzer service manual). Looks > melted, should be > 310 Ohm (5 W), but only reads 240 Ohm. Anyone knows where > to obtain these? I > already searched on the Net with part number but no > success. > > > > > Hi Hans, > > > > You need to do some troubleshooting here. > > > > 1) when you first turn the machine on and play the > first > > song - does the volume control affect the level of > the > > crackling? If yes, then the problem is in the pre-amp > > section, and if no, the problem is then in the power > amp > > section. > > > > 2) if in the pre-amp, try unplugging tubes to see if > you > > can find the tube where the noise starts. Start at the > input > > end of the pre-amp and work towards the volume > control. > > > > 3) recap the amp, and verify that ALL plate resistors > have > > the correct values near where the crackling was > verified to > > come from - you see I think you have a bad plate > resistor, > > or possibly a bad cathode resistor, caused by > excessive > > leakage current through a failing capacitor... > > > > John :-#)# > > > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, > Canada > > V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, > Jukes, > > VideoGames) > > > > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just > flip > > out" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2041 - Release > Date: 04/04/09 > 16:53:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 6 13:56:58 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Mon Apr 6 13:58:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer Message-ID: <601027.20199.qm@web111504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I believe that is a Lyric. It was available to Germany ONLY. ? Regards, Tony --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Received: Monday, April 6, 2009, 4:53 PM Ran across this pic http://media.photobucket.com/image/wurlitzer/Achille_Andries/Wurlitzer.jpg?o =31 while looking on photobucket.? Anyone have any idea what model it is? It's not listed in any of my reference books. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ From nikola1955 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 14:05:39 2009 From: nikola1955 at yahoo.com (Hans) Date: Mon Apr 6 14:07:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer Message-ID: <407973.74951.qm@web45707.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Looks like some kind of Lyric to me. Lyrics are Wurlitzers produced in Germany during the sixties for the European market. Hans --- El lun, 6/4/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> escribi?: > De: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > Asunto: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer > Para: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Fecha: lunes, 6 abril, 2009 8:53 > Ran across this pic > http://media.photobucket.com/image/wurlitzer/Achille_Andries/Wurlitzer.jpg?o > =31 while looking on photobucket.? Anyone have any > idea what model it is? > It's not listed in any of my reference books. > > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Mon Apr 6 14:07:44 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Mon Apr 6 14:09:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer In-Reply-To: <001401c9b6f9$b89208e0$29b61aa0$@net> References: <001401c9b6f9$b89208e0$29b61aa0$@net> Message-ID: <005601c9b6fb$bb35edd0$31a1c970$@force9.co.uk> Early Wurlitzer Lyric M. Manual selection and title racks up the side. This was the first ever variant of the Lyric. Popular in Europe and the UK, Regards Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ssg Rich Myers Sent: 06 April 2009 21:53 To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer Ran across this pic http://media.photobucket.com/image/wurlitzer/Achille_Andries/Wurlitzer.jpg?o =31 while looking on photobucket. Anyone have any idea what model it is? It's not listed in any of my reference books. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From nikola1955 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 13:59:10 2009 From: nikola1955 at yahoo.com (Hans) Date: Mon Apr 6 14:14:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer Message-ID: <177766.91128.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Looks like some kind of Lyric to me. Lyrics are Wurlitzers produced in Germany during the sixties for the European market. Hans --- El lun, 6/4/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> escribi?: > De: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > Asunto: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer > Para: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Fecha: lunes, 6 abril, 2009 8:53 > Ran across this pic > http://media.photobucket.com/image/wurlitzer/Achille_Andries/Wurlitzer.jpg?o > =31 while looking on photobucket.? Anyone have any > idea what model it is? > It's not listed in any of my reference books. > > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Apr 6 14:05:18 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Mon Apr 6 14:15:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer In-Reply-To: <601027.20199.qm@web111504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <601027.20199.qm@web111504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c9b6fb$6432d7f0$2c9887d0$@net> Upon close inspection of the photo, I saw Lyric printed on it. I referenced pinballrebel.com website but did not see this specific configuration...title strips up the sides of the player.... in the posted pic of a Lyric. Thanks for confirming Tony.... Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Lala Blah Blah Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 3:57 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer I believe that is a Lyric. It was available to Germany ONLY. ? Regards, Tony --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Received: Monday, April 6, 2009, 4:53 PM Ran across this pic http://media.photobucket.com/image/wurlitzer/Achille_Andries/Wurlitzer.jpg?o =31 while looking on photobucket.? Anyone have any idea what model it is? It's not listed in any of my reference books. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2041 - Release Date: 04/06/09 06:22:00 From pinball at telus.net Mon Apr 6 14:21:41 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Apr 6 14:23:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer In-Reply-To: <001401c9b6f9$b89208e0$29b61aa0$@net> References: <001401c9b6f9$b89208e0$29b61aa0$@net> Message-ID: <49DA7265.3070500@telus.net> Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > Ran across this pic > http://media.photobucket.com/image/wurlitzer/Achille_Andries/Wurlitzer.jpg?o > =31 while looking on photobucket. Anyone have any idea what model it is? > It's not listed in any of my reference books. > > > > Rich > The Lyric was imported into Canada by a company named Dale Distributing. I have some parts for these early Deutsche Wurlitzers including an amp and mechanical/electrical bits from Dale's old parts inventory. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From stamann at jukebox-world.de Mon Apr 6 14:24:10 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Mon Apr 6 14:26:31 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer Message-ID: Hello Rich, like Nigel and others said it is a German Wurlitzer Lyric built in 1961 and 1962. The German Wurlitzer company (which is still in business, belongs to Gibson now) was founded in 1960 as an affiliate of the US Wurlitzer. You might like this site which shows most German Wurlitzer models - and will notice that they named them Lyric again and again ...... http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Dt.%20Wurlitzer/Dt.-Wurlitzer-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Ssg Rich Myers Gesendet: Montag, 6. April 2009 23:01 An: 'Jukebox mailing list' Betreff: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer Ran across this pic http://media.photobucket.com/image/wurlitzer/Achille_Andries/Wurlitzer.jpg?o =31 while looking on photobucket. Anyone have any idea what model it is? It's not listed in any of my reference books. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Mon Apr 6 14:27:15 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Mon Apr 6 14:29:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first recordofthe day References: <242612.81243.qm@web45710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0654DE7D9BD34375B3CAC5075D4D9748@JUKEBUS> OK, just a thought! As others have mentioned you can usually go +/- 10% on the value so a 330R would be OK. Or, you could make it up out of a 300R + 10R in series. I would strongly recommend replacing the coupling capacitors at the same time as you replace this resistor. If it's where I think it is in the circuit you will also find an electrolytic cap in parallel with it (about 20uF) - replace this as well. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first recordofthe day Hello Adrian. Yes quite sure. I have to admit they are odd-looking resistors though, but they look very original. They are dark brown and don?t have any colour code rings. They have a text written on them ("res inc" if my memory serves me well) and the impedance: 310 Ohm, which coincides with the specs in the manual. Hans --- El dom, 5/4/09, Juke of Shrewsbury escribi?: > De: Juke of Shrewsbury > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first record > ofthe day > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > Fecha: domingo, 5 abril, 2009 12:40 > ...Old resistors normally go higher > in value, are you sure this was meant to > be a 310 Ohm? Sometimes Wurlitzer made minor changes to > values in the > circuit, this could have been an update or a previous > version. Also, 240 Ohm > is a more common value than 310 - someone may have > substituted a 240 Ohm > replacement in the past! > Adrian.. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans" > To: ; > "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:49 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound > at first record > ofthe day > > > > What I did find already was an incorrect reading of a > resistor number R-65 > (part.# 72999-2 acc. to Wurlitzer service manual). Looks > melted, should be > 310 Ohm (5 W), but only reads 240 Ohm. Anyone knows where > to obtain these? I > already searched on the Net with part number but no > success. > > > > > Hi Hans, > > > > You need to do some troubleshooting here. > > > > 1) when you first turn the machine on and play the > first > > song - does the volume control affect the level of > the > > crackling? If yes, then the problem is in the pre-amp > > section, and if no, the problem is then in the power > amp > > section. > > > > 2) if in the pre-amp, try unplugging tubes to see if > you > > can find the tube where the noise starts. Start at the > input > > end of the pre-amp and work towards the volume > control. > > > > 3) recap the amp, and verify that ALL plate resistors > have > > the correct values near where the crackling was > verified to > > come from - you see I think you have a bad plate > resistor, > > or possibly a bad cathode resistor, caused by > excessive > > leakage current through a failing capacitor... > > > > John :-#)# > > > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, > Canada > > V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, > Jukes, > > VideoGames) > > > > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just > flip > > out" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2041 - Release > Date: 04/04/09 > 16:53:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.43/2043 - Release Date: 04/06/09 06:22:00 From tjmertz at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 6 14:37:29 2009 From: tjmertz at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Mertz) Date: Mon Apr 6 14:39:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <389988.92503.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, the color shield (part 25369). On the 1495 it is glass and mine was missing when I got it, I did a home made replacement with a piece of plexi-glass.? This all means that I have easy access. Since the getting stuck is physical and the actions of the buttons is also physical, I don't think contact cleaner would help, but there are electronic parts near-by where it might be a good idea. There is also a spring on the right side, that you might want to check the action on. Hope this helps.? I've fumbled and learned my way around my Regis, but am not at the point where I can easily describe things I've done. TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on?Madison Public Schools --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: From: Dan Lukas Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:12 PM TJ Is that referred to as the color shield? It looks like there are 4 nuts that need to be removed from the inside to remove that shield. If and when I get those 2 keys freed up is there anything else I should do? Like spray some contact cleaner on them? I'm going to order a new push button set also. Thanks Dan On Apr 6, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: > Odds are you can unstick by hand. It helps to take the bottom diffuser off to get a good angle. > > TJ > > Thomas J. Mertz > Department of History > Edgewood College > tjmertz@sbcglobal.net > Advocating on Madison Public Schools > > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: > From: Dan Lukas > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:55 PM > > Ron > > Yes the 7 button is broken and stuck down. Also the N button is partially > stuck down. This was the last record that looks to have been played. I am > assuming that the reject or reset function may be broken. Is this a fuse or > solenoid? > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Mon Apr 6 14:38:27 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Mon Apr 6 14:40:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer In-Reply-To: <001901c9b6fb$6432d7f0$2c9887d0$@net> References: <601027.20199.qm@web111504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001901c9b6fb$6432d7f0$2c9887d0$@net> Message-ID: <005701c9b700$057422f0$105c68d0$@force9.co.uk> It was made in 1961. The first Lyric. Shortly afterwards the titlestrip holders were placed across the front. It is genuine in the picture, that?s what they were like. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ssg Rich Myers Sent: 06 April 2009 22:05 To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer Upon close inspection of the photo, I saw Lyric printed on it. I referenced pinballrebel.com website but did not see this specific configuration...title strips up the sides of the player.... in the posted pic of a Lyric. Thanks for confirming Tony.... Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Lala Blah Blah Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 3:57 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer I believe that is a Lyric. It was available to Germany ONLY. ? Regards, Tony --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Received: Monday, April 6, 2009, 4:53 PM Ran across this pic http://media.photobucket.com/image/wurlitzer/Achille_Andries/Wurlitzer.jpg?o =31 while looking on photobucket.? Anyone have any idea what model it is? It's not listed in any of my reference books. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2041 - Release Date: 04/06/09 06:22:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Mon Apr 6 14:40:54 2009 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Mon Apr 6 14:42:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg symphonola 147 (Trashcan) References: Message-ID: <9DD6A9776ADC474CBD4DF95B4E26274B@PAW> Rick: I do have good used contact me off list. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Plese respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND From Trollmasters at webtv.net Mon Apr 6 15:31:09 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Mon Apr 6 15:32:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 433 Gripper Message-ID: <13153-49DA82AD-765@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Does anyone on the list have a good gripper housing , or the gripper arm reversing cam for a rockola 433? Should be the same part for a whole series of this era Rockolas 429, 433 ,etc etc. thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 15:53:09 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Apr 6 15:55:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem Message-ID: <739618.30583.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Neither--it's because of the broken plastic--remove the broken arts, and it should function fine--Ron --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: From: Dan Lukas Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 11:55 AM Ron Yes the 7 button is broken and stuck down.? Also the N button is partially stuck down.? This was the last record that looks to have been played.? I am assuming that the reject or reset function may be broken.? Is this a fuse or solenoid? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 15:56:22 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Apr 6 15:58:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg symphonola 147 (Trashcan) Message-ID: <260156.40612.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, Let me know if you find a sixty year old NOS solenoid--Ron Rich --- On Mon, 4/6/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg symphonola 147 (Trashcan) To: "jukebox list" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:19 PM I'm currently working on a trashcan and the credit unit apparently got warm at one point and burned the solenoid(s)? Can anyone tell me where I can obtain these or a cross reference from the original(s)? I prefer a new, or new old stock option instead of used, but will take what I can get. Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Mon Apr 6 16:55:37 2009 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Mon Apr 6 16:57:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 433 Gripper References: <13153-49DA82AD-765@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <84043F7A08F44F5985D4EEDACA3D37B8@PAW> James I should have contact me off the list. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Plese respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND > Does any one have a good gripper housing , or the gripper arm > reversing cam for a rockola 433? Should be the same part for a whole > series of this era Rockolas 429, 433 ,etc etc. thanks, Jim From digiovanni13 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 16:55:36 2009 From: digiovanni13 at yahoo.com (S.R. Boland) Date: Mon Apr 6 17:03:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 78 rpm final production Message-ID: <129918.26476.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> "Lonely Teardrops" was a hit in the fall of '58, if I'm not mistaken... --- On Fri, 4/3/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 78 rpm final production To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 6:47 PM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Hello, Michael: This is a fuzzy 45 yr old memory for me.???I was interested in pop records/music as a teen in the late 50's,probably more than the jukeboxes at the time.? I do remember seeing a copy of Lonely Teardrops on a Brunswick 78? (don't know whether it was Canadian, US, etc)? ? I also remember there were several jukeboxes on locations in a small Michigan resort town. The jukes were interesting because you could watch the B side of the record being tracked upside down.? ? ???The jukes were loaded with 78 versions of top hits in '57 and '58-maybe later.(When was Lonely Teardrops a hit?)? ? ? Don't know details about the records themselves.(labels,origin,etc)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? It seemed a little old-fashioned as the 45 singles were what we were buying and had at home.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???It seems a little ironic now as these machines were all early 50's Wurli. models that were speed-convertible.??? Jim Alexander? ? ____________________________________________________________ Click for your daily horoscope, learn about money, love & family. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYQwkBYIbzKljL11h8s6I0l6MDd0pNfsZBOYpiOmt1Y4CjfFqYdq60/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From digiovanni13 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 16:58:29 2009 From: digiovanni13 at yahoo.com (S.R. Boland) Date: Mon Apr 6 17:06:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 78 rpm final production Message-ID: <416138.17849.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> "Fannie Mae" by Buster Brown is supposed to be one of the rarest 78s.? Wasn't that late 1959? --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 78 rpm final production To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 4:21 PM Hmmm, I disagree with you Jim. I believe the production of 78's stopped much earlier than 1960 in the USA. Look at Elvis' last 78: I Got Stung/One Night, 1958. Apparently only a couple hundred copies were pressed, and it's very collectible in the US. But in Canada it's much more common. There were two more Elvis 78's pressed in Canada after this: "Now and Then there's a Fool Such as I", and "Big Hunk of Love" (the latter released July 1959... It was the last 78 that RCA released). I have a CD set of Elvis, and they show "One Night" as the last Elvis 78, when we know there were two more issued in Canada after this. One Canadian dealer told me of a March 1960 record that he found. The Everly Bros song "Let It Be Me", from 1960 was also pressed in Canada, but you'll never find a USA pressing. Then, to make things even more interesting, Britian pressed them into the early 1960's, and other countries such as The Phillipines, South Africa, and India made pop 78's up to about 1966. So, I have to assert that USA production of 78's ceased for the most part in late 1958, or early 1959 at the very latest. If anyone else has more info on this, we'd be pleased to hear it. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 2009, April, 03 3:43 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up Gentlemen: I think that 78 RPM record production of hit singles in the US was stopped circa 1960.???This was probably for the holdouts who still had single-speed 78 RPM phonos at home. In the late 50's, 78 production dwindled as the public adapted to the new record speeds.? ? The last 78 disc I remember seeing was a Brunswick label? of "Lonely Teardrops" by Jackie Wilson. Several aftermarket conversion kits were available to convert W1015 lollipop tone arms to lighter tracking cartridges for either 78 or 45 RPM in the 80's? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???Victory Glass sold an adapter kit based around an Astatic 51 cartridge. Another kit (SuperSound?) used a Stanton 500 mag cartridge with a 3 or 1 mil needle? ? ? ? ? ? ? along with a preamp/volumecontrol chassis. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to find out about the ultimate Cabo San Lucas vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXDaqpYsY51FdczbzBM ePWLtDxDrFRpM6GVEoXvG9ZqVmxVmsBx76/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately.? Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 18:59:58 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Apr 6 19:01:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer Message-ID: <736241.51345.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Hans wrote: > Looks like some kind of Lyric to me. Lyrics are Wurlitzers > produced in Germany during the sixties for the European > market. Good time to ask this question: Were these made by the organization that is now the Wurlitzer jukebox company in Germany, or did that company spring from another source? From radiocontrolhead at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 6 19:16:06 2009 From: radiocontrolhead at sbcglobal.net (Danny Mourad) Date: Mon Apr 6 19:17:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg symphonola 147 (Trashcan) Message-ID: <373506.17665.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm also in the process of restoring my trashcan but watned to know how you will be restoring the finish on the cabinet?? Are you planning on keeping it the way it is or taking it somewhere?? I have decided to persue the 3M di-noc route but i'm currently a whiles away from finishing the mechanical portion of the juke.? Cabinet needs some work also. ? I'd love to hear what you have planned for cabinet restoration. Thanks! ? danny --- On Mon, 4/6/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg symphonola 147 (Trashcan) To: "jukebox list" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:19 PM I'm currently working on a trashcan and the credit unit apparently got warm at one point and burned the solenoid(s)? Can anyone tell me where I can obtain these or a cross reference from the original(s)? I prefer a new, or new old stock option instead of used, but will take what I can get. Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dan-lukas at wi.rr.com Mon Apr 6 20:06:51 2009 From: dan-lukas at wi.rr.com (Dan Lukas) Date: Mon Apr 6 20:08:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem In-Reply-To: <389988.92503.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <389988.92503.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95CEBEA1-EE75-4D8A-B0EA-90EED4EA31EF@wi.rr.com> Unfortunately that didn't do the trick. Those 2 buttons aren't stuck down now and i can engage them by hand with a small screwdriver (the buttons don't work for those 2) and then use the reset to release them but nothing happens when those 2 or others are engaged. The first bank of letters A-K still won't engage. Is there any fuses involved with this or is there something to reset anywhere? ~dan On Apr 6, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: > Yes, the color shield (part 25369). > > On the 1495 it is glass and mine was missing when I got it, I did a > home made replacement with a piece of plexi-glass. This all means > that I have easy access. > > Since the getting stuck is physical and the actions of the buttons > is also physical, I don't think contact cleaner would help, but > there are electronic parts near-by where it might be a good idea. > > There is also a spring on the right side, that you might want to > check the action on. > > Hope this helps. I've fumbled and learned my way around my Regis, > but am not at the point where I can easily describe things I've done. > > TJ > > Thomas J. Mertz > Department of History > Edgewood College > tjmertz@sbcglobal.net > Advocating on Madison Public Schools > > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: > From: Dan Lukas > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:12 PM > > TJ > > Is that referred to as the color shield? It looks like there are 4 > nuts that > need to be removed from the inside to remove that shield. If and > when I get > those 2 keys freed up is there anything else I should do? Like > spray some > contact cleaner on them? I'm going to order a new push button set > also. > > Thanks > > Dan > On Apr 6, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: > >> Odds are you can unstick by hand. It helps to take the bottom >> diffuser > off to get a good angle. >> >> TJ >> >> Thomas J. Mertz >> Department of History >> Edgewood College >> tjmertz@sbcglobal.net >> Advocating on Madison Public Schools >> >> >> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: >> From: Dan Lukas >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:55 PM >> >> Ron >> >> Yes the 7 button is broken and stuck down. Also the N button is >> partially >> stuck down. This was the last record that looks to have been >> played. I > am >> assuming that the reject or reset function may be broken. Is this >> a fuse > or >> solenoid? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Mon Apr 6 19:46:00 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Mon Apr 6 20:49:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg symphonola 147 (Trashcan) References: <373506.17665.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3DF72681034E4803BE87FEE6B06AC0B6@home1903> Rick and Danny, I am anxious to see some pics of your Trashcan Restorations, as I did a "C" Restoration on mine a year or so ago. It still needs a new Dome and the Animation for it, other than that, it looks pretty good and sounds fantastic! You can hear it a block away! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danny Mourad" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] seeburg symphonola 147 (Trashcan) I'm also in the process of restoring my trashcan but watned to know how you will be restoring the finish on the cabinet? Are you planning on keeping it the way it is or taking it somewhere? I have decided to persue the 3M di-noc route but i'm currently a whiles away from finishing the mechanical portion of the juke. Cabinet needs some work also. I'd love to hear what you have planned for cabinet restoration. Thanks! danny --- On Mon, 4/6/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg symphonola 147 (Trashcan) To: "jukebox list" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:19 PM I'm currently working on a trashcan and the credit unit apparently got warm at one point and burned the solenoid(s) Can anyone tell me where I can obtain these or a cross reference from the original(s)? I prefer a new, or new old stock option instead of used, but will take what I can get. Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From stamann at jukebox-world.de Tue Apr 7 04:49:46 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Tue Apr 7 04:52:02 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer Message-ID: Hello David, your guess is right - the Lyrics were made by the Deutsche Wurlitzer GmbH which was a subsidiary of the US Wurlitzer founded in 1960. I guess the idea was to offer cheaper jukeboxes, too. http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Dt.%20Wurlitzer/Dt.-Wurlitzer-Bilder-Uebersicht.htm So for about 14 years both comanies - US Wurlitzer and German Wurlitzer - produced jukeboxes parallel. In the early 1970s some models can be found "double" - e.g. the tape player jukebox C110 or the "Cabaret" resp. "7500" and the last Americana models 3600 - 3800. These models might have been assembled in US resp. Germany instead of shipping them overseas complete. We have one or two ads showing mid 70s models like the German Wurlitzer Atlanta. So my guess is that when the US company stopped producing they imported German Wurlitzer models. Kind regards - Hildegard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von David Breneman Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. April 2009 07:46 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] Unknown Wurlitzer --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Hans wrote: > Looks like some kind of Lyric to me. Lyrics are Wurlitzers produced in > Germany during the sixties for the European market. Good time to ask this question: Were these made by the organization that is now the Wurlitzer jukebox company in Germany, or did that company spring from another source? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tjmertz at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 7 05:20:05 2009 From: tjmertz at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Mertz) Date: Tue Apr 7 05:21:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem In-Reply-To: <95CEBEA1-EE75-4D8A-B0EA-90EED4EA31EF@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <748545.41477.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll try to take a look at mine this afternoon or evening and see if I can put what might be happening together.? I'll post even if I don't have anything useful. TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on?Madison Public Schools --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: From: Dan Lukas Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 10:06 PM Unfortunately that didn't do the trick. Those 2 buttons aren't stuck down now and i can engage them by hand with a small screwdriver (the buttons don't work for those 2) and then use the reset to release them but nothing happens when those 2 or others are engaged. The first bank of letters A-K still won't engage. Is there any fuses involved with this or is there something to reset anywhere? ~dan On Apr 6, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: > Yes, the color shield (part 25369). > > On the 1495 it is glass and mine was missing when I got it, I did a home made replacement with a piece of plexi-glass. This all means that I have easy access. > > Since the getting stuck is physical and the actions of the buttons is also physical, I don't think contact cleaner would help, but there are electronic parts near-by where it might be a good idea. > > There is also a spring on the right side, that you might want to check the action on. > > Hope this helps. I've fumbled and learned my way around my Regis, but am not at the point where I can easily describe things I've done. > > TJ > > Thomas J. Mertz > Department of History > Edgewood College > tjmertz@sbcglobal.net > Advocating on Madison Public Schools > > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: > From: Dan Lukas > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:12 PM > > TJ > > Is that referred to as the color shield? It looks like there are 4 nuts that > need to be removed from the inside to remove that shield. If and when I get > those 2 keys freed up is there anything else I should do? Like spray some > contact cleaner on them? I'm going to order a new push button set also. > > Thanks > > Dan > On Apr 6, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: > >> Odds are you can unstick by hand. It helps to take the bottom diffuser > off to get a good angle. >> >> TJ >> >> Thomas J. Mertz >> Department of History >> Edgewood College >> tjmertz@sbcglobal.net >> Advocating on Madison Public Schools >> >> >> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: >> From: Dan Lukas >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:55 PM >> >> Ron >> >> Yes the 7 button is broken and stuck down. Also the N button is partially >> stuck down. This was the last record that looks to have been played. I > am >> assuming that the reject or reset function may be broken. Is this a fuse > or >> solenoid? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Tue Apr 7 05:47:48 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Tue Apr 7 05:49:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 78 rpm final production In-Reply-To: <416138.17849.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <416138.17849.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, it was. But it was an oddity, as most other companies had stopped making them in the USA by the time Fannie Mae came out. My only point was that 78's were made for about a year longer in Canada than in the States. I found this site cool as it shows many late and unusual 78's. Check it out: http://www.cool78s.com/Cool_200510.html -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of S.R. Boland Sent: 2009, April, 06 7:58 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 78 rpm final production "Fannie Mae" by Buster Brown is supposed to be one of the rarest 78s.? Wasn't that late 1959? --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 78 rpm final production To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 4:21 PM Hmmm, I disagree with you Jim. I believe the production of 78's stopped much earlier than 1960 in the USA. Look at Elvis' last 78: I Got Stung/One Night, 1958. Apparently only a couple hundred copies were pressed, and it's very collectible in the US. But in Canada it's much more common. There were two more Elvis 78's pressed in Canada after this: "Now and Then there's a Fool Such as I", and "Big Hunk of Love" (the latter released July 1959... It was the last 78 that RCA released). I have a CD set of Elvis, and they show "One Night" as the last Elvis 78, when we know there were two more issued in Canada after this. One Canadian dealer told me of a March 1960 record that he found. The Everly Bros song "Let It Be Me", from 1960 was also pressed in Canada, but you'll never find a USA pressing. Then, to make things even more interesting, Britian pressed them into the early 1960's, and other countries such as The Phillipines, South Africa, and India made pop 78's up to about 1966. So, I have to assert that USA production of 78's ceased for the most part in late 1958, or early 1959 at the very latest. If anyone else has more info on this, we'd be pleased to hear it. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 2009, April, 03 3:43 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up Gentlemen: I think that 78 RPM record production of hit singles in the US was stopped circa 1960.???This was probably for the holdouts who still had single-speed 78 RPM phonos at home. In the late 50's, 78 production dwindled as the public adapted to the new record speeds.? ? The last 78 disc I remember seeing was a Brunswick label? of "Lonely Teardrops" by Jackie Wilson. Several aftermarket conversion kits were available to convert W1015 lollipop tone arms to lighter tracking cartridges for either 78 or 45 RPM in the 80's? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???Victory Glass sold an adapter kit based around an Astatic 51 cartridge. Another kit (SuperSound?) used a Stanton 500 mag cartridge with a 3 or 1 mil needle? ? ? ? ? ? ? along with a preamp/volumecontrol chassis. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to find out about the ultimate Cabo San Lucas vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXDaqpYsY51FdczbzBM ePWLtDxDrFRpM6GVEoXvG9ZqVmxVmsBx76/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately.? Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Apr 7 05:52:19 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Apr 7 05:54:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Kind Wishes Message-ID: Good Morning to all, just a quick note to thank you all for your kind thoughts on the passing of my Dad. He was my "coffee buddy" each morning and lived a block away, so we had lots of great time together. A special thankyou for the thoughtfulness of Mel, for even bringing it up, love you, Jackie From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Apr 7 05:35:06 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Tue Apr 7 05:56:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 rpm Record Storage Boxes Message-ID: <200904070835473.SM01960@[192.168.1.206]> Does anyone know where I can get some of those white, cardboard 45 record storage boxes? I've got records laying all over my shop and I came into another 600 over the weekend! I did a Google search and only one company seems to carry them...but they want $14.00 to ship a cardboard box that's folded flat!!!! I'd just as soon keep my Elvis "Suns" in a plastic grocery bag!! :) Do any of our normal channels of juke suppliers have them? A. From dan-lukas at wi.rr.com Tue Apr 7 05:59:26 2009 From: dan-lukas at wi.rr.com (Dan Lukas) Date: Tue Apr 7 06:01:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem In-Reply-To: <748545.41477.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <748545.41477.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9BAEA909-2366-49F3-B966-D6C59835E0A3@wi.rr.com> Thanks. I didn't completely remove the 2 keys but just forced them to release so they are still hanging there but flopping around a bit. I am going to order a new key set today. On Apr 7, 2009, at 7:20 AM, Thomas Mertz wrote: > I'll try to take a look at mine this afternoon or evening and see if > I can put what might be happening together. I'll post even if I > don't have anything useful. > > TJ > > Thomas J. Mertz > Department of History > Edgewood College > tjmertz@sbcglobal.net > Advocating on Madison Public Schools > > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: > From: Dan Lukas > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 10:06 PM > > Unfortunately that didn't do the trick. Those 2 buttons aren't stuck > down now and i can engage them by hand with a small screwdriver (the > buttons > don't work for those 2) and then use the reset to release them but > nothing > happens when those 2 or others are engaged. The first bank of > letters A-K still > won't engage. Is there any fuses involved with this or is there > something > to reset anywhere? > > ~dan > On Apr 6, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: > >> Yes, the color shield (part 25369). >> >> On the 1495 it is glass and mine was missing when I got it, I did a >> home > made replacement with a piece of plexi-glass. This all means that I > have easy > access. >> >> Since the getting stuck is physical and the actions of the buttons >> is also > physical, I don't think contact cleaner would help, but there are > electronic > parts near-by where it might be a good idea. >> >> There is also a spring on the right side, that you might want to >> check the > action on. >> >> Hope this helps. I've fumbled and learned my way around my Regis, >> but > am not at the point where I can easily describe things I've done. >> >> TJ >> >> Thomas J. Mertz >> Department of History >> Edgewood College >> tjmertz@sbcglobal.net >> Advocating on Madison Public Schools >> >> >> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: >> From: Dan Lukas >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:12 PM >> >> TJ >> >> Is that referred to as the color shield? It looks like there are 4 >> nuts > that >> need to be removed from the inside to remove that shield. If and >> when I > get >> those 2 keys freed up is there anything else I should do? Like >> spray some >> contact cleaner on them? I'm going to order a new push button set > also. >> >> Thanks >> >> Dan >> On Apr 6, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: >> >>> Odds are you can unstick by hand. It helps to take the bottom > diffuser >> off to get a good angle. >>> >>> TJ >>> >>> Thomas J. Mertz >>> Department of History >>> Edgewood College >>> tjmertz@sbcglobal.net >>> Advocating on Madison Public Schools >>> >>> >>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: >>> From: Dan Lukas >>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >>> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:55 PM >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> Yes the 7 button is broken and stuck down. Also the N button is > partially >>> stuck down. This was the last record that looks to have been >>> played. > I >> am >>> assuming that the reject or reset function may be broken. Is this a > fuse >> or >>> solenoid? >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dave.halford at telent.com Tue Apr 7 06:03:18 2009 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Tue Apr 7 06:05:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 rpm Record Storage Boxes In-Reply-To: <200904070835473.SM01960@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <20090407130322.5B50220EFF9@blade202.lb.inty.net> If you get A4 printer paper over there in the US 45's fit nicely into the boxes, I get mine from work. Bit of duct tape round the top to prevent splitting just to finish off ! regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission or for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Tue Apr 7 06:07:09 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Tue Apr 7 06:14:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 rpm Record Storage Boxes In-Reply-To: <200904070835473.SM01960@[192.168.1.206]> References: <200904070835473.SM01960@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: One of the leaders in this area is Bags Unlimited. They sell all kinds of sleeves and storage material. Not sure if this is the place you were referring to. http://www.bagsunlimited.com/cart/browse.asp?subcat=93 -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Heverin Sent: 2009, April, 07 8:35 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 rpm Record Storage Boxes Does anyone know where I can get some of those white, cardboard 45 record storage boxes? I've got records laying all over my shop and I came into another 600 over the weekend! I did a Google search and only one company seems to carry them...but they want $14.00 to ship a cardboard box that's folded flat!!!! I'd just as soon keep my Elvis "Suns" in a plastic grocery bag!! :) Do any of our normal channels of juke suppliers have them? 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From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Apr 7 06:49:08 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Tue Apr 7 06:45:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 rpm Record Storage Boxes Message-ID: <200904070949658.SM01008@[192.168.1.206]> No. Bags Unlimited's web site was horrifically slow and I wasn't able to bring up anything in a reasonable amount of time. I found boxes for 78s and 33's...but nothing about 45s. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Dicecco, Michael michael.dicecco@rbc.com Sent 4/7/2009 9:07:09 AM To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] 45 rpm Record Storage Boxes One of the leaders in this area is Bags Unlimited. They sell all kinds of sleeves and storage material. Not sure if this is the place you were referring to. http://www.bagsunlimited.com/cart/browse.asp?subcat=93 -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Heverin Sent: 2009, April, 07 8:35 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 rpm Record Storage Boxes Does anyone know where I can get some of those white, cardboard 45 record storage boxes? I've got records laying all over my shop and I came into another 600 over the weekend! I did a Google search and only one company seems to carry them...but they want $14.00 to ship a cardboard box that's folded flat!!!! I'd just as soon keep my Elvis "Suns" in a plastic grocery bag!! :) Do any of our normal channels of juke suppliers have them? A. _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it conta ins by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier lectronique est confidentiel et protg. L'expditeur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements q u'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) dsign (s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser immdiatement, par retour de courrier lectronique ou par un autre moy en. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From steve at pro-ns.net Tue Apr 7 07:38:04 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Tue Apr 7 07:39:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 rpm Record Storage Boxes In-Reply-To: <200904070835473.SM01960@[192.168.1.206]> References: <200904070835473.SM01960@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <20090407143804.GC4933@pro-ns.net> Aaron, Bags unlimited is where I got mine from, but yeah, they are a bit pricey. I'm guessing that's who you found, too. You did notice that's for 2, and the price goes down as the quantity goes up? I ran into a similar huge buy of 45s quite a while back, and spent far more on the boxes than on the actual records. I even splurged for the plastic corrugated boxes, instead of cardboard. They ARE nice boxes. I have yet to fully sort the 45s, though... --> Steve On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 12:35:06PM +0000, Aaron Heverin wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get some of those white, cardboard 45 record storage boxes? I've got records laying all over my shop and I came into another 600 over the weekend! I did a Google search and only one company seems to carry them...but they want $14.00 to ship a cardboard box that's folded flat!!!! I'd just as soon keep my Elvis "Suns" in a plastic grocery bag!! :) > > Do any of our normal channels of juke suppliers have them? > > A. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Nothing says "unprofessional job" like wrinkles in your duct tape. -- Enigma Man (SlashDot) From radiocontrolhead at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 7 08:12:51 2009 From: radiocontrolhead at sbcglobal.net (Danny Mourad) Date: Tue Apr 7 08:14:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg symphonola 147 (Trashcan) Message-ID: <845503.22684.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll upload a few pictures of what I have done so far. It isn't a pretty site (cabinet base is torn apart and being repaired.? Record changer is also apart, but the top plate has been freshly powdercoated a perfect original brown. :)? I'm in the process of sanding the record trays so they have their metalic look again. I have 3 trays polished but it takes way too much time so i'll opt to just continue sanding the trays.?? I'll need stickers and brown flock to get the changer finished. :)? Look out for pictures! --- On Mon, 4/6/09, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] seeburg symphonola 147 (Trashcan) To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 7:46 PM Rick and Danny, I am anxious to see some pics of your Trashcan Restorations, as I did a "C" Restoration on mine a year or so ago.? It still needs a new Dome and the Animation for it, other than that, it looks pretty good and sounds fantastic!? You can hear it a block away! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danny Mourad" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] seeburg symphonola 147 (Trashcan) I'm also in the process of restoring my trashcan but watned to know how you will be restoring the finish on the cabinet? Are you planning on keeping it the way it is or taking it somewhere? I have decided to persue the 3M di-noc route but i'm currently a whiles away from finishing the mechanical portion of the juke. Cabinet needs some work also. I'd love to hear what you have planned for cabinet restoration. Thanks! danny --- On Mon, 4/6/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg symphonola 147 (Trashcan) To: "jukebox list" Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:19 PM I'm currently working on a trashcan and the credit unit apparently got warm at one point and burned the solenoid(s) Can anyone tell me where I can obtain these or a cross reference from the original(s)? I prefer a new, or new old stock option instead of used, but will take what I can get. Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Tue Apr 7 08:36:26 2009 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Tue Apr 7 08:39:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 rpm Record Storage Boxes References: <200904070835473.SM01960@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: If you've got a Kmart or Big Lots! near you, look for Junior File Crates. They hold 75 7" singles in sleeves (more without sleeves). I watch for when Big Lots have them and get them for $2 each. Kmart was selling them for $3 each. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Heverin" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:35 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 rpm Record Storage Boxes Does anyone know where I can get some of those white, cardboard 45 record storage boxes? I've got records laying all over my shop and I came into another 600 over the weekend! I did a Google search and only one company seems to carry them...but they want $14.00 to ship a cardboard box that's folded flat!!!! I'd just as soon keep my Elvis "Suns" in a plastic grocery bag!! :) Do any of our normal channels of juke suppliers have them? A. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 09:34:35 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Apr 7 09:36:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 rpm Record Storage Boxes Message-ID: <771196.75430.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get some > of those white, cardboard 45 record storage boxes? Is this what you're lookingh for? http://www.bagsunlimited.com/cart/browse.asp?subcat=29 From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Apr 7 09:47:09 2009 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Tue Apr 7 09:43:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 rpm Record Storage Boxes Message-ID: <200904071247171.SM03164@[192.168.1.206]> Yes. I was finally able to get through to this page on their website. I tried for several hours, but clicking the link to "45 rpm" supplies just made the site hang. Placing my order now. Thanks, guys. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com Sent 4/7/2009 12:34:35 PM To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45 rpm Record Storage Boxes --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Aaron Heverin aaron@vertasource.com wrote: Does anyone know where I can get some of those white, cardboard 45 record storage boxes? Is this what you're lookingh for? http://www.bagsunlimited.com/cart/browse.asp?subcat=29 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From passerby at rocketmail.com Tue Apr 7 09:31:08 2009 From: passerby at rocketmail.com (Nathan Keay) Date: Tue Apr 7 09:59:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 rpm Record Storage Boxes In-Reply-To: References: <200904070835473.SM01960@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <935575.22769.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've bought boxes from uline before. These are ones I have. Perfect size for my storage cabinet. http://www.uline.com/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?model=S-4818 The 8 x 8 comes in longer lengths as well. PO Box 57210 Chicago, Illinois 60657 (773)398-8368 http://www.nathankeay.com ________________________________ From: Jon Scaptura To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 10:36:26 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45 rpm Record Storage Boxes If you've got a Kmart or Big Lots! near you, look for Junior File Crates. They hold 75 7" singles in sleeves (more without sleeves). I watch for when Big Lots have them and get them for $2 each. Kmart was selling them for $3 each. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Heverin" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:35 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 rpm Record Storage Boxes Does anyone know where I can get some of those white, cardboard 45 record storage boxes? I've got records laying all over my shop and I came into another 600 over the weekend! I did a Google search and only one company seems to carry them...but they want $14.00 to ship a cardboard box that's folded flat!!!! I'd just as soon keep my Elvis "Suns" in a plastic grocery bag!! :) Do any of our normal channels of juke suppliers have them? A. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 10:08:51 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Apr 7 10:10:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45 rpm Record Storage Boxes Message-ID: <489227.76881.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Aaron Heverin wrote: > Yes. I was finally able to get through to this page on > their website. I tried for several hours, but clicking the > link to "45 rpm" supplies just made the site hang. Placing > my order now. Their site is hard to navigate. (You almost get the idea that they don't want to sell record storage supplies.) But I didn't have any speed issues. Still, there is a definite "bloat" factor to a lot of web sites today. Dirt cheap computer hardware has made people forget that there is virtue and elegance in efficient coding. Rant more on: My first computer, a 1984 AT&T 3B2-300, had a megabyte of memory (and a ulimit of the same size), a 72-meg hard drive, ran Unix SVR2 and cost $16,000 new (without a terminal). A 10 meg network card and Wollongong TCP/IP software was about another $2500, which is why everyone used dialup and UUCP. There's more raw comuting power now in a typical dishwasher. Dirt cheap hardware makes for sloppy programmers. OK, rant mode off... From radziwon at cox.net Tue Apr 7 16:56:26 2009 From: radziwon at cox.net (radziwon) Date: Tue Apr 7 16:58:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 Lubrication Type References: <651578.91264.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6CD48E3BDA90429DB3A7BD535A08A8DA@radziwonjzwhq8> Ron, I sent you a reply last week with pictures but it hasn't been posted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 Lubrication Type "Stanodrip # 29"--where do you see that?--and where are you supposed to use it ? I strongly suggest that you sub ONLY, SAE 20wt. ND oil for "Seeburg oil", and that unless you have removed ALL the "grease", that you use a drop of the oil as a sub. If you have removed ALL the grease, the factory used # 3 Dixon Graphite grease--which is very hard to find, so I suggest that you sub a very small amount of "CRC Stay-lube Moly-graph" grease. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 4/1/09, radziwon wrote: From: radziwon Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 Lubrication Type To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 5:17 PM I have a Seeburg 222 and it calls out lubeing with Stanodrip #29 and Aero Lubriplate and Seeburg Special Purpose oil No. 53014. Are there common substitutions for the above? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 17:04:17 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Apr 7 17:05:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 Lubrication Type Message-ID: <743045.22348.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> You can not "post pix" to the list--send it to me off list-Please ronnnrich@yahoo.com Thanks , Ron Rich --- On Tue, 4/7/09, radziwon wrote: From: radziwon Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 Lubrication Type To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 4:56 PM Ron, I sent you a reply last week with pictures but it hasn't been posted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 Lubrication Type "Stanodrip # 29"--where do you see that?--and where are you supposed to use it ? I strongly suggest that you sub ONLY, SAE 20wt. ND oil for "Seeburg oil", and that unless you have removed ALL the "grease", that you use a drop of the oil as a sub. If you have removed ALL the grease, the factory used # 3 Dixon Graphite grease--which is very hard to find, so I suggest that you sub a very small amount of "CRC Stay-lube Moly-graph" grease. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 4/1/09, radziwon wrote: From: radziwon Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 Lubrication Type To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 5:17 PM I have a Seeburg 222 and it calls out lubeing with Stanodrip #29 and Aero Lubriplate and Seeburg Special Purpose oil No. 53014. Are there common substitutions for the above? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Apr 7 17:25:23 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Apr 7 17:27:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem References: <389988.92503.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <95CEBEA1-EE75-4D8A-B0EA-90EED4EA31EF@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <000801c9b7e0$825c8ab0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> There is a long latch bar going through the keyboard that is supposed to lock buttons down (when you have credit and the latch solenoid is on). It could be that the keyboard is not mounted in the frame properly (too far down on the left side) so that when you press buttons A-K, it actually is not pressing the switch far enough to lock. Not locking is purely mechanical - there are adjustment screws on the bar(s), but be careful if you've never done this before. I would get the keyboard working first (using the other letters) before worrying about that. As far as the buttons staying down and nothing happening, that most likely is a dirty or out of adjustment leaf switch. With the latch solenoid in and both a letter and number pressed, there are two leaf switches in series that must be made to complete the circuit to the reset coil in the accumulator (mounted behind the titleboards upper left of cabinet). If this coil doesn't energize, nothing will happen. Clean the leaf switches in the keyboard (with power off) and remove the accumulator and clean all leaf switches on the reset coil and the ADR relay. There is a fuse in the accumulator and a couple in the junction box in the bottom of the machine - check them all for proper size. Try all this and let us know what happens. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Lukas" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem > Unfortunately that didn't do the trick. Those 2 buttons aren't stuck > down now and i can engage them by hand with a small screwdriver (the > buttons don't work for those 2) and then use the reset to release them > but nothing happens when those 2 or others are engaged. The first bank > of letters A-K still won't engage. Is there any fuses involved with this > or is there something to reset anywhere? > > ~dan > On Apr 6, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: > >> Yes, the color shield (part 25369). >> >> On the 1495 it is glass and mine was missing when I got it, I did a home >> made replacement with a piece of plexi-glass. This all means that I >> have easy access. >> >> Since the getting stuck is physical and the actions of the buttons is >> also physical, I don't think contact cleaner would help, but there are >> electronic parts near-by where it might be a good idea. >> >> There is also a spring on the right side, that you might want to check >> the action on. >> >> Hope this helps. I've fumbled and learned my way around my Regis, but >> am not at the point where I can easily describe things I've done. >> >> TJ >> >> Thomas J. Mertz >> Department of History >> Edgewood College >> tjmertz@sbcglobal.net >> Advocating on Madison Public Schools >> >> >> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: >> From: Dan Lukas >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:12 PM >> >> TJ >> >> Is that referred to as the color shield? It looks like there are 4 nuts >> that >> need to be removed from the inside to remove that shield. If and when I >> get >> those 2 keys freed up is there anything else I should do? Like spray >> some >> contact cleaner on them? I'm going to order a new push button set also. >> >> Thanks >> >> Dan >> On Apr 6, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: >> >>> Odds are you can unstick by hand. It helps to take the bottom diffuser >> off to get a good angle. >>> >>> TJ >>> >>> Thomas J. Mertz >>> Department of History >>> Edgewood College >>> tjmertz@sbcglobal.net >>> Advocating on Madison Public Schools >>> >>> >>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: >>> From: Dan Lukas >>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >>> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:55 PM >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> Yes the 7 button is broken and stuck down. Also the N button is >>> partially >>> stuck down. This was the last record that looks to have been played. >>> I >> am >>> assuming that the reject or reset function may be broken. Is this a >>> fuse >> or >>> solenoid? >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From bryanlshaw at hotmail.com Tue Apr 7 18:35:08 2009 From: bryanlshaw at hotmail.com (Bryan Shaw) Date: Tue Apr 7 18:36:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2610 tone arm wiring Message-ID: I need to replace the wire from the tone arm cartridge back to the amp. Mine is intermittently cutting out on b channel. When I move the wire, the condition changes. I really can't determine the weak spot so I am going to replace the wire. Can anyone suggest what size and source for replacement wire? Thank you bryan _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 From dan-lukas at wi.rr.com Tue Apr 7 18:51:39 2009 From: dan-lukas at wi.rr.com (Dan Lukas) Date: Tue Apr 7 18:53:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem In-Reply-To: <000801c9b7e0$825c8ab0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> References: <389988.92503.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <95CEBEA1-EE75-4D8A-B0EA-90EED4EA31EF@wi.rr.com> <000801c9b7e0$825c8ab0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <13939BB0-3492-4CBA-97A6-DDE0A01B8806@wi.rr.com> Thanks Jim I'll give that a shot in the next couple of days. ~dan On Apr 7, 2009, at 7:25 PM, wrote: > There is a long latch bar going through the keyboard that is > supposed to lock buttons down (when you have credit and the latch > solenoid is on). It could be that the keyboard is not mounted in the > frame properly (too far down on the left side) so that when you > press buttons A-K, it actually is not pressing the switch far enough > to lock. Not locking is purely mechanical - there are adjustment > screws on the bar(s), but be careful if you've never done this > before. I would get the keyboard working first (using the other > letters) before worrying about that. > > As far as the buttons staying down and nothing happening, that most > likely is a dirty or out of adjustment leaf switch. With the latch > solenoid in and both a letter and number pressed, there are two leaf > switches in series that must be made to complete the circuit to the > reset coil in the accumulator (mounted behind the titleboards upper > left of cabinet). If this coil doesn't energize, nothing will > happen. Clean the leaf switches in the keyboard (with power off) and > remove the accumulator and clean all leaf switches on the reset coil > and the ADR relay. There is a fuse in the accumulator and a couple > in the junction box in the bottom of the machine - check them all > for proper size. Try all this and let us know what happens. > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Lukas" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem > > >> Unfortunately that didn't do the trick. Those 2 buttons aren't >> stuck down now and i can engage them by hand with a small >> screwdriver (the buttons don't work for those 2) and then use the >> reset to release them but nothing happens when those 2 or others >> are engaged. The first bank of letters A-K still won't engage. >> Is there any fuses involved with this or is there something to >> reset anywhere? >> >> ~dan >> On Apr 6, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: >> >>> Yes, the color shield (part 25369). >>> >>> On the 1495 it is glass and mine was missing when I got it, I did >>> a home made replacement with a piece of plexi-glass. This all >>> means that I have easy access. >>> >>> Since the getting stuck is physical and the actions of the >>> buttons is also physical, I don't think contact cleaner would >>> help, but there are electronic parts near-by where it might be a >>> good idea. >>> >>> There is also a spring on the right side, that you might want to >>> check the action on. >>> >>> Hope this helps. I've fumbled and learned my way around my >>> Regis, but am not at the point where I can easily describe things >>> I've done. >>> >>> TJ >>> >>> Thomas J. Mertz >>> Department of History >>> Edgewood College >>> tjmertz@sbcglobal.net >>> Advocating on Madison Public Schools >>> >>> >>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: >>> From: Dan Lukas >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:12 PM >>> >>> TJ >>> >>> Is that referred to as the color shield? It looks like there are >>> 4 nuts that >>> need to be removed from the inside to remove that shield. If and >>> when I get >>> those 2 keys freed up is there anything else I should do? Like >>> spray some >>> contact cleaner on them? I'm going to order a new push button >>> set also. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Dan >>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: >>> >>>> Odds are you can unstick by hand. It helps to take the bottom >>>> diffuser >>> off to get a good angle. >>>> >>>> TJ >>>> >>>> Thomas J. Mertz >>>> Department of History >>>> Edgewood College >>>> tjmertz@sbcglobal.net >>>> Advocating on Madison Public Schools >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: >>>> From: Dan Lukas >>>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >>>> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:55 PM >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> Yes the 7 button is broken and stuck down. Also the N button is >>>> partially >>>> stuck down. This was the last record that looks to have been >>>> played. I >>> am >>>> assuming that the reject or reset function may be broken. Is >>>> this a fuse >>> or >>>> solenoid? >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dan-lukas at wi.rr.com Tue Apr 7 19:13:08 2009 From: dan-lukas at wi.rr.com (Dan Lukas) Date: Tue Apr 7 19:14:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem In-Reply-To: <000801c9b7e0$825c8ab0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> References: <389988.92503.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <95CEBEA1-EE75-4D8A-B0EA-90EED4EA31EF@wi.rr.com> <000801c9b7e0$825c8ab0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: One question Jim. What should I use to clean the leaf switches in the keyboard and accumulator? On Apr 7, 2009, at 7:25 PM, wrote: > There is a long latch bar going through the keyboard that is > supposed to lock buttons down (when you have credit and the latch > solenoid is on). It could be that the keyboard is not mounted in the > frame properly (too far down on the left side) so that when you > press buttons A-K, it actually is not pressing the switch far enough > to lock. Not locking is purely mechanical - there are adjustment > screws on the bar(s), but be careful if you've never done this > before. I would get the keyboard working first (using the other > letters) before worrying about that. > > As far as the buttons staying down and nothing happening, that most > likely is a dirty or out of adjustment leaf switch. With the latch > solenoid in and both a letter and number pressed, there are two leaf > switches in series that must be made to complete the circuit to the > reset coil in the accumulator (mounted behind the titleboards upper > left of cabinet). If this coil doesn't energize, nothing will > happen. Clean the leaf switches in the keyboard (with power off) and > remove the accumulator and clean all leaf switches on the reset coil > and the ADR relay. There is a fuse in the accumulator and a couple > in the junction box in the bottom of the machine - check them all > for proper size. Try all this and let us know what happens. > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Lukas" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem > > >> Unfortunately that didn't do the trick. Those 2 buttons aren't >> stuck down now and i can engage them by hand with a small >> screwdriver (the buttons don't work for those 2) and then use the >> reset to release them but nothing happens when those 2 or others >> are engaged. The first bank of letters A-K still won't engage. >> Is there any fuses involved with this or is there something to >> reset anywhere? >> >> ~dan >> On Apr 6, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: >> >>> Yes, the color shield (part 25369). >>> >>> On the 1495 it is glass and mine was missing when I got it, I did >>> a home made replacement with a piece of plexi-glass. This all >>> means that I have easy access. >>> >>> Since the getting stuck is physical and the actions of the >>> buttons is also physical, I don't think contact cleaner would >>> help, but there are electronic parts near-by where it might be a >>> good idea. >>> >>> There is also a spring on the right side, that you might want to >>> check the action on. >>> >>> Hope this helps. I've fumbled and learned my way around my >>> Regis, but am not at the point where I can easily describe things >>> I've done. >>> >>> TJ >>> >>> Thomas J. Mertz >>> Department of History >>> Edgewood College >>> tjmertz@sbcglobal.net >>> Advocating on Madison Public Schools >>> >>> >>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: >>> From: Dan Lukas >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:12 PM >>> >>> TJ >>> >>> Is that referred to as the color shield? It looks like there are >>> 4 nuts that >>> need to be removed from the inside to remove that shield. If and >>> when I get >>> those 2 keys freed up is there anything else I should do? Like >>> spray some >>> contact cleaner on them? I'm going to order a new push button >>> set also. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Dan >>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: >>> >>>> Odds are you can unstick by hand. It helps to take the bottom >>>> diffuser >>> off to get a good angle. >>>> >>>> TJ >>>> >>>> Thomas J. Mertz >>>> Department of History >>>> Edgewood College >>>> tjmertz@sbcglobal.net >>>> Advocating on Madison Public Schools >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: >>>> From: Dan Lukas >>>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >>>> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:55 PM >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> Yes the 7 button is broken and stuck down. Also the N button is >>>> partially >>>> stuck down. This was the last record that looks to have been >>>> played. I >>> am >>>> assuming that the reject or reset function may be broken. Is >>>> this a fuse >>> or >>>> solenoid? >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From digiovanni13 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 19:16:46 2009 From: digiovanni13 at yahoo.com (S.R. Boland) Date: Tue Apr 7 19:18:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 78 rpm final production Message-ID: <352227.16049.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I also read somewhere that there were some late 78s issued on Chuck Berry records by Chess in 1959-60.? So... I wonder if many of the smaller, independent labels, which included many R&B imprints, made 78s longer than the majors (RCA, Decca, Columbia, Mercury, etc.), say, into at least 1959.? Those independent labels would of course include Fire/Fury (which issued "Fannie Mae"). --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 78 rpm final production To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:47 AM Yes, it was. But it was an oddity, as most other companies had stopped making them in the USA by the time Fannie Mae came out. My only point was that 78's were made for about a year longer in Canada than in the States. I found this site cool as it shows many late and unusual 78's. Check it out: http://www.cool78s.com/Cool_200510.html -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of S.R. Boland Sent: 2009, April, 06 7:58 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 78 rpm final production "Fannie Mae" by Buster Brown is supposed to be one of the rarest 78s.? Wasn't that late 1959? --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 78 rpm final production To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 4:21 PM Hmmm, I disagree with you Jim. I believe the production of 78's stopped much earlier than 1960 in the USA. Look at Elvis' last 78: I Got Stung/One Night, 1958. Apparently only a couple hundred copies were pressed, and it's very collectible in the US. But in Canada it's much more common. There were two more Elvis 78's pressed in Canada after this: "Now and Then there's a Fool Such as I", and "Big Hunk of Love" (the latter released July 1959... It was the last 78 that RCA released). I have a CD set of Elvis, and they show "One Night" as the last Elvis 78, when we know there were two more issued in Canada after this. One Canadian dealer told me of a March 1960 record that he found. The Everly Bros song "Let It Be Me", from 1960 was also pressed in Canada, but you'll never find a USA pressing. Then, to make things even more interesting, Britian pressed them into the early 1960's, and other countries such as The Phillipines, South Africa, and India made pop 78's up to about 1966. So, I have to assert that USA production of 78's ceased for the most part in late 1958, or early 1959 at the very latest. If anyone else has more info on this, we'd be pleased to hear it. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 2009, April, 03 3:43 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 Follow up Gentlemen: I think that 78 RPM record production of hit singles in the US was stopped circa 1960.???This was probably for the holdouts who still had single-speed 78 RPM phonos at home. In the late 50's, 78 production dwindled as the public adapted to the new record speeds.? ? The last 78 disc I remember seeing was a Brunswick label? of "Lonely Teardrops" by Jackie Wilson. Several aftermarket conversion kits were available to convert W1015 lollipop tone arms to lighter tracking cartridges for either 78 or 45 RPM in the 80's? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???Victory Glass sold an adapter kit based around an Astatic 51 cartridge. Another kit (SuperSound?) used a Stanton 500 mag cartridge with a 3 or 1 mil needle? ? ? ? ? ? ? along with a preamp/volumecontrol chassis. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to find out about the ultimate Cabo San Lucas vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXDaqpYsY51FdczbzBM ePWLtDxDrFRpM6GVEoXvG9ZqVmxVmsBx76/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately.? 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Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately.? Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 19:54:33 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Apr 7 19:56:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2610 tone arm wiring Message-ID: <22644.26157.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Vern at? www.verntisdale.com? sells it. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Bryan Shaw wrote: From: Bryan Shaw Subject: [Jukebox-list] 2610 tone arm wiring To: "joey jukebox group" , "jukebox group" Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 6:35 PM I need to replace the wire from the tone arm cartridge back to the amp.? Mine is intermittently cutting out on b channel.? When I move the wire, the condition changes..? I really can't determine the weak spot so I am going to replace the wire.? Can anyone suggest what size and source for replacement wire? Thank you bryan _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Wed Apr 8 00:12:00 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Wed Apr 8 00:13:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 78 rpm final production Message-ID: <635622.93949.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, I advertised a while back in another forum looking for Fannie Mae on 78. Here is the reply I got. "That might be hard to find. It was a freebie you got with a shoe-store purchase." can anyone shed some light on this. I do have the original on 45 and IMHO it is a fabulous record. In my collection I have some late 50s James Brown, Joe Tex 78 and several Chuck Berry on the Chess label. The latest issue 78 I have is "Playboy" by the Marvellettes issued in the Philippines on the Grand label. This must be around 1962/3. --- On Wed, 8/4/09, S.R. Boland wrote: > From: S.R. Boland > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 78 rpm final production > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, 8 April, 2009, 3:16 AM > I also read somewhere that there were some late 78s issued > on Chuck Berry records by Chess in 1959-60.? So... I wonder > if many of the smaller, independent labels, which included > many R&B imprints, made 78s longer than the majors (RCA, > Decca, Columbia, Mercury, etc.), say, into at least 1959.? > Those independent labels would of course include Fire/Fury > (which issued "Fannie Mae"). > > > > --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Dicecco, Michael > wrote: > > From: Dicecco, Michael > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 78 rpm final production > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:47 AM > > Yes, it was. But it was an oddity, as most other companies > had stopped making them in the USA by the time Fannie Mae > came out. > > My only point was that 78's were made for about a year > longer in Canada than in the States. > > I found this site cool as it shows many late and unusual > 78's. Check it out: > > http://www.cool78s.com/Cool_200510.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf > Of S.R. Boland > Sent: 2009, April, 06 7:58 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 78 rpm final production > > > "Fannie Mae" by Buster Brown is supposed to be > one of the rarest 78s.? Wasn't that late 1959? > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Dicecco, Michael > wrote: > > From: Dicecco, Michael > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 78 rpm final production > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 4:21 PM > > Hmmm, I disagree with you Jim. I believe the production of > 78's stopped much earlier than 1960 in the USA. > > Look at Elvis' last 78: I Got Stung/One Night, 1958. > Apparently only a couple hundred copies were pressed, and > it's very collectible in the US. > But in Canada it's much more common. > There were two more Elvis 78's pressed in Canada after > this: "Now and Then there's a Fool Such as I", > and "Big Hunk of Love" (the latter released July > 1959... It was the last 78 that RCA released). > I have a CD set of Elvis, and they show "One > Night" as the last Elvis 78, when we know there were > two more issued in Canada after this. > One Canadian dealer told me of a March 1960 record that he > found. > The Everly Bros song "Let It Be Me", from 1960 > was also pressed in Canada, but you'll never find a USA > pressing. > > Then, to make things even more interesting, Britian pressed > them into the early 1960's, and other countries such as > The Phillipines, South Africa, and India made pop 78's > up to about 1966. > > So, I have to assert that USA production of 78's ceased > for the most part in late 1958, or early 1959 at the very > latest. If anyone else has more info on this, we'd be > pleased to hear it. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf > Of James Alexander > Sent: 2009, April, 03 3:43 PM > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45rpm VS 78 rpm W1015 > Follow up > > > Gentlemen: > I think that 78 RPM record production of hit singles in the > US was stopped circa 1960.???This was probably for the > holdouts who still had single-speed 78 RPM phonos at home. > In the late 50's, 78 production dwindled as the public > adapted to the new record speeds.? ? The last 78 disc I > remember seeing was a Brunswick label? of "Lonely > Teardrops" by Jackie Wilson. > Several aftermarket conversion kits were available to > convert W1015 lollipop tone arms to lighter tracking > cartridges for either 78 or 45 RPM in the 80's? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ???Victory Glass sold an adapter kit based around an > Astatic 51 cartridge. > Another kit (SuperSound?) used a Stanton 500 mag cartridge > with a 3 or 1 mil needle? ? ? ? ? ? ? along with a > preamp/volumecontrol chassis. > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to find out about the ultimate Cabo San Lucas > vacation. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXDaqpYsY51FdczbzBM > ePWLtDxDrFRpM6GVEoXvG9ZqVmxVmsBx76/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the > sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the > information it contains by other than an intended recipient > is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by > return e-mail or otherwise) immediately.? > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. > L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations > qui s'y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des > renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que > le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, > veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de > courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the > sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the > information it contains by other than an intended recipient > is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by > return e-mail or otherwise) immediately.? > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. > L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations > qui s'y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des > renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que > le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, > veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de > courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Apr 8 12:41:03 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Apr 8 12:42:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-Nuts Message-ID: <30710.41273.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Does anyone have a source for 8/32 nuts that have a 1/4 in drive head ? I need a dozen or so to repair Seeburg SMC type MCU's. Nothing else will fit right -- TIA ! ? Ron? Rich From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Apr 8 13:16:35 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Wed Apr 8 13:18:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Volume control and Loudness circuitry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002801c9b886$ea638950$bf2a9bf0$@force9.co.uk> I had a spare volume control for my Rock-Ola 470 and set it up as a remote control away from the box. It is identical to the one in the amp (it came off a scrap amp) . Plugged it in and the sound is absolutely fantastic. There is twice as much volume, significantly more bass, and significantly more punch to the sound. These pots are identical and I would have expected more issues with the remote one due to length of cable etc.. So. these are multi tag pots with the packaged loudness circuitry soldered on, in a little combined package. I cannot see that the pot would make any difference, so my conclusion is the sound improvement is down to better components in the little packaged component. The service schematic shows the actual components, 4 resistors and 6 capacitors. They are tiny ceramic type caps etc.. I can only conclude the worser sounding setup is due to these components degrading. However I always thought these little caps rarely degraded. I am going to make my own up from scratch and see if that improves it even more. Anyone any ideas anyone ?? - do these tiny components actually degrade and could that be the reason ? Both are likely to be the same age plus or minus 3-4 years due to the amp model production run, so how come both have not degraded the same. I am guessing now if I make it with brand new components I will see an even greater improvement. Nigel, UK From gibson510 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 8 14:19:47 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Wed Apr 8 14:21:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] another USC Model problem Message-ID: Coworker has a USC-2 model Seeburg. Has been working fine for years. Today he tells me that it's playing "more than he selected" random additional songs. It just keeps on playing until he shuts it off. When he turns it back on starts right in again. Machine is set for free play. Does this sound like a DCC2 board issue, or perhaps the mini board on the back of the pushbutton selector? Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701A From johndt3 at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 14:38:29 2009 From: johndt3 at gmail.com (John D Taylor III) Date: Wed Apr 8 14:39:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM II continuously rejects record Message-ID: <49DD1955.40205@gmail.com> I apologize for taking so long in getting back to this thread that I started. But, I want to thank NORMAN MACRAE, and Hildegard Stamann for their help. I don't know if these suggestions will be of any use to me yet, for I haven't had a chance to get back to the jukebox. Anyway, I intend to tackle it again tomorrow. If any of the information was of any help I'll be sure to let you know. John D. Taylor III From berrycbell at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 15:11:46 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Wed Apr 8 15:20:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Tempo II 200 Play.... Message-ID: Hello Jukers, I have a Rockola Tempo II 1485 200 play box that I'm finishing up and have a few issues I thought you might have some ideas on. The amp is being finished as we speak, but the power supply has been rebuilt and is in the jukebox. I know I won't get any sound, but did want to run it through some tests which has shown the following: My selector keyboard (1-40) appears to be dead, as credit has been established but no selections can be made. Also, the upper A,B, C, D E selector assembly doesn't want to light the C button. All the others are lighting when depressed, but I can't get any of the 3 bulbs attached to the middle C to light up. Also, only one of the 3 SELECT light bulbs behind the SELECT light want to illuminate. I have checked all the bulbs on the above and they indeed are good. I have inspected the JONES plug on the upper selector (A-E) there are no broken wires, etc. I have not inspected the two JONES plugs that connect to one another in the bottom of the jukebox (Pin bank and selector keyboard). I can get the carousel to scan by using the scan switch, but other than that, that's about it. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Berry Bell From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Wed Apr 8 16:11:29 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Wed Apr 8 16:13:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Tempo II 200 Play.... References: Message-ID: <002701c9b89f$598f6390$6101a8c0@Dirksen> In the accumulator, there are two leaf switches that are made when credit is given - one is for the select light and one allows selections - make sure this one is clean. Also, there is a 300mfd capacitor inside that is discharged through the reset coil to make selections. If the capacitor is bad, you won't get a pulse of the reset coil. I usually replace the 150mfd section at the same time and the selenium rectifier in there, too. If that doesn't do it, there is a series circuit through the keyboard - if you have dirty pushbutton switches or one is stuck down, the capacitor won't recharge and again you won't get a pulse. Check for broken wire(s) near pushbutton #1 where the harness connects to the wafer board. If all the other letter lights work, it just about has to be the switch behind the C button. Check for a broken wire and clean the sliding switch. I believe that model had dual pricing as an option and that Rockola provided light sockets even though most came with single pricing. So I think nothing is really wrong unless you have the dual pricing option installed. I'm not positive of this, though. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Berry Bell" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Tempo II 200 Play.... > Hello Jukers, > > I have a Rockola Tempo II 1485 200 play box that I'm finishing up and have > a > few issues I thought you might have some ideas on. > > The amp is being finished as we speak, but the power supply has been > rebuilt > and is in the jukebox. I know I won't get any sound, but did want to run > it > through some tests which has shown the following: > > My selector keyboard (1-40) appears to be dead, as credit has been > established but no selections can be made. > > Also, the upper A,B, C, D E selector assembly doesn't want to light the C > button. All the others are lighting when depressed, but I can't get any > of > the 3 bulbs attached to the middle C to light up. Also, only one of the 3 > SELECT light bulbs behind the SELECT light want to illuminate. I have > checked all the bulbs on the above and they indeed are good. I have > inspected the JONES plug on the upper selector (A-E) there are no broken > wires, etc. I have not inspected the two JONES plugs that connect to one > another in the bottom of the jukebox (Pin bank and selector keyboard). > > I can get the carousel to scan by using the scan switch, but other than > that, that's about it. > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > Berry Bell > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Wed Apr 8 17:09:05 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Wed Apr 8 17:10:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem References: <389988.92503.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com><95CEBEA1-EE75-4D8A-B0EA-90EED4EA31EF@wi.rr.com><000801c9b7e0$825c8ab0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <003f01c9b8a7$663924c0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> If they are oily, I clean them first with a "non-residue" type contact cleaner (LPS brand available at Ace Hardware woks well). Don't spray directly on the contacts unless you want to ruin your records and any other plastic or painted parts nearby. I saturate a pipe cleaner (folded in half and twisted slightly to add stiffness) with contact cleaner and clean the whole length of the leaf. Spray the pipe cleaner with contact cleaner and wipe with a paper towel each time before moving on to a new set of contacts. After that, I usually run a piece of 600-800 grit sandpaper between each contact. Cut a three inch by quarter inch piece and fold it in half lengthwise so you can clean each contact at the same time. Run it through 10 times or so and gently squeeze normally open contacts together while you do this. Again, spray and wipe the sandpaper each time before moving on to the next set of contacts so you don't spread "dirt" around. Others on the list will howl at this, but here in the Deep South I find heavily oxidized contacts are tough to clean with a burnishing tool. I've done this many times with good results. Whatever you do, don't use a nail file. After that, check continuity on each switch with your meter. Don't skip this step - it will eliminate contacts as a source of problems so you can concentrate elsewhere. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Lukas" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem > One question Jim. What should I use to clean the leaf switches in the > keyboard and accumulator? > > On Apr 7, 2009, at 7:25 PM, > > wrote: > >> There is a long latch bar going through the keyboard that is supposed to >> lock buttons down (when you have credit and the latch solenoid is on). >> It could be that the keyboard is not mounted in the frame properly (too >> far down on the left side) so that when you press buttons A-K, it >> actually is not pressing the switch far enough to lock. Not locking is >> purely mechanical - there are adjustment screws on the bar(s), but be >> careful if you've never done this before. I would get the keyboard >> working first (using the other letters) before worrying about that. >> >> As far as the buttons staying down and nothing happening, that most >> likely is a dirty or out of adjustment leaf switch. With the latch >> solenoid in and both a letter and number pressed, there are two leaf >> switches in series that must be made to complete the circuit to the >> reset coil in the accumulator (mounted behind the titleboards upper left >> of cabinet). If this coil doesn't energize, nothing will happen. Clean >> the leaf switches in the keyboard (with power off) and remove the >> accumulator and clean all leaf switches on the reset coil and the ADR >> relay. There is a fuse in the accumulator and a couple in the junction >> box in the bottom of the machine - check them all for proper size. Try >> all this and let us know what happens. >> >> Jim >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Lukas" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >> >> >>> Unfortunately that didn't do the trick. Those 2 buttons aren't stuck >>> down now and i can engage them by hand with a small screwdriver (the >>> buttons don't work for those 2) and then use the reset to release them >>> but nothing happens when those 2 or others are engaged. The first >>> bank of letters A-K still won't engage. Is there any fuses involved >>> with this or is there something to reset anywhere? >>> >>> ~dan >>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, the color shield (part 25369). >>>> >>>> On the 1495 it is glass and mine was missing when I got it, I did a >>>> home made replacement with a piece of plexi-glass. This all means >>>> that I have easy access. >>>> >>>> Since the getting stuck is physical and the actions of the buttons is >>>> also physical, I don't think contact cleaner would help, but there >>>> are electronic parts near-by where it might be a good idea. >>>> >>>> There is also a spring on the right side, that you might want to >>>> check the action on. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps. I've fumbled and learned my way around my Regis, >>>> but am not at the point where I can easily describe things I've done. >>>> >>>> TJ >>>> >>>> Thomas J. Mertz >>>> Department of History >>>> Edgewood College >>>> tjmertz@sbcglobal.net >>>> Advocating on Madison Public Schools >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: >>>> From: Dan Lukas >>>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >>>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:12 PM >>>> >>>> TJ >>>> >>>> Is that referred to as the color shield? It looks like there are 4 >>>> nuts that >>>> need to be removed from the inside to remove that shield. If and >>>> when I get >>>> those 2 keys freed up is there anything else I should do? Like spray >>>> some >>>> contact cleaner on them? I'm going to order a new push button set >>>> also. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Dan >>>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: >>>> >>>>> Odds are you can unstick by hand. It helps to take the bottom >>>>> diffuser >>>> off to get a good angle. >>>>> >>>>> TJ >>>>> >>>>> Thomas J. Mertz >>>>> Department of History >>>>> Edgewood College >>>>> tjmertz@sbcglobal.net >>>>> Advocating on Madison Public Schools >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: >>>>> From: Dan Lukas >>>>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >>>>> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:55 PM >>>>> >>>>> Ron >>>>> >>>>> Yes the 7 button is broken and stuck down. Also the N button is >>>>> partially >>>>> stuck down. This was the last record that looks to have been >>>>> played. I >>>> am >>>>> assuming that the reject or reset function may be broken. Is this a >>>>> fuse >>>> or >>>>> solenoid? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dan-lukas at wi.rr.com Wed Apr 8 18:17:41 2009 From: dan-lukas at wi.rr.com (Dan Lukas) Date: Wed Apr 8 18:19:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem In-Reply-To: <003f01c9b8a7$663924c0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> References: <389988.92503.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com><95CEBEA1-EE75-4D8A-B0EA-90EED4EA31EF@wi.rr.com><000801c9b7e0$825c8ab0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> <003f01c9b8a7$663924c0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <07552059-0690-4A7F-B583-1FD49C636EE1@wi.rr.com> Thanks Jim. I should be able to work on the accumulator in the next couple of days. I ordered a push button set from Victory Glass so may wait until that arrives to tackle the keyboard assembly. I appreciate the guidance and will report back when done. ~dan On Apr 8, 2009, at 7:09 PM, wrote: > If they are oily, I clean them first with a "non-residue" type > contact cleaner (LPS brand available at Ace Hardware woks well). > Don't spray directly on the contacts unless you want to ruin your > records and any other plastic or painted parts nearby. I saturate a > pipe cleaner (folded in half and twisted slightly to add stiffness) > with contact cleaner and clean the whole length of the leaf. Spray > the pipe cleaner with contact cleaner and wipe with a paper towel > each time before moving on to a new set of contacts. > > After that, I usually run a piece of 600-800 grit sandpaper between > each contact. Cut a three inch by quarter inch piece and fold it in > half lengthwise so you can clean each contact at the same time. Run > it through 10 times or so and gently squeeze normally open contacts > together while you do this. Again, spray and wipe the sandpaper each > time before moving on to the next set of contacts so you don't > spread "dirt" around. Others on the list will howl at this, but here > in the Deep South I find heavily oxidized contacts are tough to > clean with a burnishing tool. I've done this many times with good > results. Whatever you do, don't use a nail file. > > After that, check continuity on each switch with your meter. Don't > skip this step - it will eliminate contacts as a source of problems > so you can concentrate elsewhere. Good luck, > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Lukas" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem > > >> One question Jim. What should I use to clean the leaf switches in >> the keyboard and accumulator? >> >> On Apr 7, 2009, at 7:25 PM, > > wrote: >> >>> There is a long latch bar going through the keyboard that is >>> supposed to lock buttons down (when you have credit and the latch >>> solenoid is on). It could be that the keyboard is not mounted in >>> the frame properly (too far down on the left side) so that when >>> you press buttons A-K, it actually is not pressing the switch far >>> enough to lock. Not locking is purely mechanical - there are >>> adjustment screws on the bar(s), but be careful if you've never >>> done this before. I would get the keyboard working first (using >>> the other letters) before worrying about that. >>> >>> As far as the buttons staying down and nothing happening, that >>> most likely is a dirty or out of adjustment leaf switch. With the >>> latch solenoid in and both a letter and number pressed, there are >>> two leaf switches in series that must be made to complete the >>> circuit to the reset coil in the accumulator (mounted behind the >>> titleboards upper left of cabinet). If this coil doesn't >>> energize, nothing will happen. Clean the leaf switches in the >>> keyboard (with power off) and remove the accumulator and clean >>> all leaf switches on the reset coil and the ADR relay. There is a >>> fuse in the accumulator and a couple in the junction box in the >>> bottom of the machine - check them all for proper size. Try all >>> this and let us know what happens. >>> >>> Jim >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Lukas" >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >>> >>> >>>> Unfortunately that didn't do the trick. Those 2 buttons aren't >>>> stuck down now and i can engage them by hand with a small >>>> screwdriver (the buttons don't work for those 2) and then use >>>> the reset to release them but nothing happens when those 2 or >>>> others are engaged. The first bank of letters A-K still won't >>>> engage. Is there any fuses involved with this or is there >>>> something to reset anywhere? >>>> >>>> ~dan >>>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, the color shield (part 25369). >>>>> >>>>> On the 1495 it is glass and mine was missing when I got it, I >>>>> did a home made replacement with a piece of plexi-glass. This >>>>> all means that I have easy access. >>>>> >>>>> Since the getting stuck is physical and the actions of the >>>>> buttons is also physical, I don't think contact cleaner would >>>>> help, but there are electronic parts near-by where it might be >>>>> a good idea. >>>>> >>>>> There is also a spring on the right side, that you might want to >>>>> check the action on. >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps. I've fumbled and learned my way around my >>>>> Regis, but am not at the point where I can easily describe >>>>> things I've done. >>>>> >>>>> TJ >>>>> >>>>> Thomas J. Mertz >>>>> Department of History >>>>> Edgewood College >>>>> tjmertz@sbcglobal.net >>>>> Advocating on Madison Public Schools >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: >>>>> From: Dan Lukas >>>>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >>>>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:12 PM >>>>> >>>>> TJ >>>>> >>>>> Is that referred to as the color shield? It looks like there >>>>> are 4 nuts that >>>>> need to be removed from the inside to remove that shield. If >>>>> and when I get >>>>> those 2 keys freed up is there anything else I should do? >>>>> Like spray some >>>>> contact cleaner on them? I'm going to order a new push button >>>>> set also. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Dan >>>>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Odds are you can unstick by hand. It helps to take the bottom >>>>>> diffuser >>>>> off to get a good angle. >>>>>> >>>>>> TJ >>>>>> >>>>>> Thomas J. Mertz >>>>>> Department of History >>>>>> Edgewood College >>>>>> tjmertz@sbcglobal.net >>>>>> Advocating on Madison Public Schools >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: >>>>>> From: Dan Lukas >>>>>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >>>>>> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:55 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes the 7 button is broken and stuck down. Also the N button >>>>>> is partially >>>>>> stuck down. This was the last record that looks to have been >>>>>> played. I >>>>> am >>>>>> assuming that the reject or reset function may be broken. Is >>>>>> this a fuse >>>>> or >>>>>> solenoid? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gibson510 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 8 18:46:23 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Wed Apr 8 18:47:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another USC problem (DISREGARD) Message-ID: Please ignore previous post regarding USC Problem. It was the small PC board on the back of the pushbutton selector. _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 From gibson510 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 8 18:50:54 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Wed Apr 8 18:52:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 222 Tormat Memory Problem Message-ID: I have a 222 that won't clear selections in the memory after they play. If I make a random selection, the mech scans, and plays that selection, but on the way to rest position it plays additional selections, and always the same ones as well. I'm at a loss. Even after reviewing my mech book Ron. Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 From nikola1955 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 9 12:18:12 2009 From: nikola1955 at yahoo.com (Hans) Date: Thu Apr 9 12:21:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first recordofthe day Message-ID: <727283.46043.qm@web45701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thx everyone for all suggestions. I think I will attack the problem the only right way and replace all caps and tubes and all resistors that look deteriorated. I?ll get back to this topic once I?m finished. That will take a while though...;-) --- El lun, 6/4/09, Juke of Shrewsbury escribi?: > De: Juke of Shrewsbury > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound at first recordofthe day > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > Fecha: lunes, 6 abril, 2009 9:27 > OK, just a thought! As others have > mentioned you can usually go +/- 10% on > the value so a 330R would be OK. Or, you could make it up > out of a 300R + > 10R in series. I would strongly recommend replacing the > coupling capacitors > at the same time as you replace this resistor. If it's > where I think it is > in the circuit you will also find an electrolytic cap in > parallel with it > (about 20uF) - replace this as well. > > Adrian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking sound > at first > recordofthe day > > > > Hello Adrian. > Yes quite sure. I have to admit they are odd-looking > resistors though, but > they look very original. They are dark brown and don?t > have any colour code > rings. They have a text written on them ("res inc" if my > memory serves me > well) and the impedance: 310 Ohm, which coincides with the > specs in the > manual. > Hans > > --- El dom, 5/4/09, Juke of Shrewsbury > > escribi?: > > > De: Juke of Shrewsbury > > Asunto: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking > sound at first record > > ofthe day > > Para: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Fecha: domingo, 5 abril, 2009 12:40 > > ...Old resistors normally go higher > > in value, are you sure this was meant to > > be a 310 Ohm? Sometimes Wurlitzer made minor changes > to > > values in the > > circuit, this could have been an update or a previous > > version. Also, 240 Ohm > > is a more common value than 310 - someone may have > > substituted a 240 Ohm > > replacement in the past! > > Adrian.. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Hans" > > To: ; > > "Jukebox mailing list" > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2300 cracking > sound > > at first record > > ofthe day > > > > > > > > What I did find already was an incorrect reading of a > > resistor number R-65 > > (part.# 72999-2 acc. to Wurlitzer service manual). > Looks > > melted, should be > > 310 Ohm (5 W), but only reads 240 Ohm. Anyone knows > where > > to obtain these? I > > already searched on the Net with part number but no > > success. > > > > > > > > > Hi Hans, > > > > > > You need to do some troubleshooting here. > > > > > > 1) when you first turn the machine on and play > the > > first > > > song - does the volume control affect the level > of > > the > > > crackling? If yes, then the problem is in the > pre-amp > > > section, and if no, the problem is then in the > power > > amp > > > section. > > > > > > 2) if in the pre-amp, try unplugging tubes to see > if > > you > > > can find the tube where the noise starts. Start > at the > > input > > > end of the pre-amp and work towards the volume > > control. > > > > > > 3) recap the amp, and verify that ALL plate > resistors > > have > > > the correct values near where the crackling was > > verified to > > > come from - you see I think you have a bad plate > > resistor, > > > or possibly a bad cathode resistor, caused by > > excessive > > > leakage current through a failing capacitor... > > > > > > John :-#)# > > > > > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, > BC, > > Canada > > > V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 > (Pinballs, > > Jukes, > > > VideoGames) > > > > > > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they > just > > flip > > > out" > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2041 - > Release > > Date: 04/04/09 > > 16:53:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.43/2043 - Release > Date: 04/06/09 > 06:22:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From nikola1955 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 9 13:49:14 2009 From: nikola1955 at yahoo.com (Hans) Date: Thu Apr 9 13:52:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 222 Tormat Memory Problem Message-ID: <226779.67377.qm@web45703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello Rick, I ran into this article on Tormat Memories. Maybe it can help you?! http://jukeboxfridaynight.com/articles/timebombs.htm Good luck, Hans --- El jue, 9/4/09, rick murray escribi?: > De: rick murray > Asunto: [Jukebox-list] 222 Tormat Memory Problem > Para: "jukebox list" > Fecha: jueves, 9 abril, 2009 1:50 > > I have a 222 that won't clear selections in the memory > after they play. If I make a random selection, the mech > scans, and plays that selection, but on the way to rest > position it plays additional selections, and always the same > ones as well. I'm at a loss. Even after reviewing my mech > book Ron. > > > Rick > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jay at west.net Thu Apr 9 15:29:46 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Apr 9 15:31:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-Nuts In-Reply-To: <30710.41273.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <30710.41273.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49DE76DA.6040404@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > Does anyone have a source for 8/32 nuts that have a 1/4 in drive head ? I need a dozen or so to repair Seeburg SMC type MCU's. Nothing else will fit right -- TIA ! Ron Rich You mean regular hex nuts that fit a 1/4 inch socket, 8-32 thread as opposed to the normal 5/16 hex? I think these are called "small-pattern". Any well-stocked hardware store, maybe auto parts store. Grainger and/or McMaster-Carr if you ned mail-order. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Apr 9 19:43:01 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Apr 9 19:44:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT-Nuts Message-ID: <760057.45307.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay,? Exactly what I need--I'll "pop" down to the local Grainger tomorrow--Thankx Ron Rich --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT-Nuts To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:29 PM Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > Does anyone have a source for 8/32 nuts that have a 1/4 in drive head ? I need a dozen or so to repair Seeburg SMC type MCU's. Nothing else will fit right -- TIA !???Ron? Rich You mean regular hex nuts that fit a 1/4 inch socket, 8-32 thread as opposed to the normal 5/16 hex? I think these are called "small-pattern".? Any well-stocked hardware store, maybe auto parts store.? Grainger and/or McMaster-Carr if you ned mail-order. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service? -? http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Apr 8 15:49:37 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Apr 10 14:59:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller Message-ID: <691819.96891.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> People, it is with much sadness that I must inform you that Tony Miller past away Monday. I don't know any details, as his wife just phoned and asked if I would inform all that I could. He was only 62--- I know that I shall miss him dearly---Ron Rich From 19k20 at comcast.net Fri Apr 10 15:27:27 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Fri Apr 10 15:29:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller In-Reply-To: <691819.96891.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <691819.96891.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007a01c9ba2b$88079c50$9816d4f0$@net> My heart is saddened today, and I will miss Tony's input to this forum. I rejoice in the fact that the Lord called him home. My thoughts and prayers are with Tony's family. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:50 PM To: Undisclosed@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller People, it is with much sadness that I must inform you that Tony Miller past away Monday. I don't know any details, as his wife just phoned and asked if I would inform all that I could. He was only 62--- I know that I shall miss him dearly---Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2041 - Release Date: 04/10/09 06:39:00 From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Fri Apr 10 15:32:48 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Fri Apr 10 15:53:14 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller References: <691819.96891.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6AB012931C2144B8BAC6C4A521FC42BA@Graeme> Ron, So sad to here this. Far to young, my thoughts are with you, and his family. He will be sadly missed. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:49 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller > People, it is with much sadness that I must inform you that Tony Miller > past away Monday. I don't know any details, as his wife just phoned and > asked if I would inform all that I could. He was only 62--- I know that I > shall miss him dearly---Ron Rich > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Apr 10 15:55:52 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Apr 10 15:57:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller Message-ID: <907188.88469.qm@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Wow that is so sudden. I feel really saddened by this news. My heart and my familys heart goes out to his family. He was a great man and he will always be remembered. ? Regards Tony (in Canada) --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Graeme Harvey wrote: From: Graeme Harvey Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, April 10, 2009, 6:32 PM Ron, So sad to here this.???Far to young, my thoughts are with you, and his family.? ? He will be sadly missed. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:49 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller > People, it is with much sadness that I must inform you that Tony Miller past away Monday. I don't know any details, as his wife just phoned and asked if I would inform all that I could. He was only 62--- I know that I shall miss him dearly---Ron Rich > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Apr 10 18:20:25 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Fri Apr 10 18:22:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller References: <691819.96891.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22EE6142994A4981BC9E91B42A30066E@home1903> Ron, thanks so very much for letting everyone know this sad news regarding Tony Miller. Another wonderful soul to be missed, God Bless his family left behind. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:49 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller > People, it is with much sadness that I must inform you that Tony Miller > past away Monday. I don't know any details, as his wife just phoned and > asked if I would inform all that I could. He was only 62--- I know that I > shall miss him dearly---Ron Rich > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From srice3 at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 10 20:07:42 2009 From: srice3 at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Rice) Date: Fri Apr 10 20:08:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transistors Message-ID: <8A7A97890E3B4205AD2930C5136117C5@yourguessing> Anyone know of a source in the United States for the following audio transistors used in the NSM galaxy jukebox: BDW83C BDW84C BD239C Looking for 4 of the first 2 and 2 of the third. Tried the usual Digi-key etc to no avail. Didn't want to order from Australia but so far that is the only place I have found a supplier. Any help would be appreciated. From jay at west.net Fri Apr 10 20:55:06 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Apr 10 20:56:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transistors In-Reply-To: <8A7A97890E3B4205AD2930C5136117C5@yourguessing> References: <8A7A97890E3B4205AD2930C5136117C5@yourguessing> Message-ID: <49E0149A.7030204@west.net> Stephen Rice wrote: > Anyone know of a source in the United States for the following audio > transistors used in the NSM galaxy jukebox: > > BDW83C > BDW84C > BD239C > > Looking for 4 of the first 2 and 2 of the third. Tried the usual Digi-key etc to no avail. Didn't want to order from Australia but so far that is the only place I have found a supplier. Any help would be appreciated. Try these Digi-Key parts BDW83C -> 497-2607-5-ND $2.90 each BDW84C -> 497-5717-ND $3.24 each BD239C -> MJE15034GOS-ND $1.58 each -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Sat Apr 11 03:09:00 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Sat Apr 11 03:11:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller References: <691819.96891.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <613D035E8BDD4413811C41F52859F6A7@JUKEBUS> ..Very sad news, Tony gave me much encouragement when I first started to work on Seeburgs and I'm sure he will be missed by all of us. My thoughts are with his family at this difficult time. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:49 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller People, it is with much sadness that I must inform you that Tony Miller past away Monday. I don't know any details, as his wife just phoned and asked if I would inform all that I could. He was only 62--- I know that I shall miss him dearly---Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.51/2052 - Release Date: 04/10/09 06:39:00 From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Sat Apr 11 03:29:46 2009 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Sat Apr 11 03:31:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller In-Reply-To: <613D035E8BDD4413811C41F52859F6A7@JUKEBUS> References: <691819.96891.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <613D035E8BDD4413811C41F52859F6A7@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <763544.59184.qm@web86701.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Such sad news for a Saturday morning. As we all no doubt know, Tony was a Seeburg employee for some years. Norman. ________________________________ From: Juke of Shrewsbury To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Saturday, 11 April, 2009 11:09:00 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller ..Very sad news, Tony gave me much encouragement when I first started to work on Seeburgs and I'm sure he will be missed by all of us. My thoughts are with his family at this difficult time. Adrian. From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 04:59:08 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sat Apr 11 05:00:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller Message-ID: <841766.4108.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We are so very sorry for the sudden loss of Tony. So many will miss his amazing talents. We pray for him and his loved ones. David and Anna Wendell From srice3 at cfl.rr.com Sat Apr 11 05:08:26 2009 From: srice3 at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Rice) Date: Sat Apr 11 05:09:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transistors References: <8A7A97890E3B4205AD2930C5136117C5@yourguessing> <49E0149A.7030204@west.net> Message-ID: <402CBAFFCA554DDC8507640AD38334C6@yourguessing> Thanks, They have the BDW83C and MJE15034GOS-ND but won't allow back orders on the BDW84C. But at least they had the cross that I did not see(the MJE15034GOS-ND). Thanks for the cross reference. I will continue to try to locate the BDW84C's in country. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission, and kindly delete the message without copying or disclosing it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pinball at telus.net Sat Apr 11 09:54:21 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Apr 11 09:56:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller In-Reply-To: <691819.96891.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <691819.96891.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49E0CB3D.1090506@telus.net> Ron Rich wrote: > People, it is with much sadness that I must inform you that Tony Miller past away Monday. I don't know any details, as his wife just phoned and asked if I would inform all that I could. He was only 62--- I know that I shall miss him dearly---Ron Rich > > Tony and I traded information for the past few years - we were working to improve his library of Seeburg information and I was getting ready to send him more technical manuals over the next few months. I have some Seeburg Service/tech notes in a special binder that are not in common circulation that I am going to scan and host on flippers now. Tony was a big help to all that asked for it - his web site reflected his friendly and giving personality. We shall all miss him greatly. John -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From dan-lukas at wi.rr.com Sat Apr 11 20:20:59 2009 From: dan-lukas at wi.rr.com (Dan Lukas) Date: Sat Apr 11 20:22:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem In-Reply-To: <003f01c9b8a7$663924c0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> References: <389988.92503.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com><95CEBEA1-EE75-4D8A-B0EA-90EED4EA31EF@wi.rr.com><000801c9b7e0$825c8ab0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> <003f01c9b8a7$663924c0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: Jim On the first bank of keys (A-K) the bar had disconnected so I connected that up and those keys now work. I also cleaned the leaf switches on the key assembly and the accumulator and now have it working but it is not acting normally. When I engage some keys on free play it will sit for a while before it plays. It just seems like it is taking a while to energize. I also checked some of the fuses and they are the wrong size. Some should be 3A and they are 2.5 etc. Any ideas about why it would take so long to energize? I imagine there is still something not right in the accumulator. Thanks so much for your guidance. ~dan On Apr 8, 2009, at 7:09 PM, wrote: > If they are oily, I clean them first with a "non-residue" type > contact cleaner (LPS brand available at Ace Hardware woks well). > Don't spray directly on the contacts unless you want to ruin your > records and any other plastic or painted parts nearby. I saturate a > pipe cleaner (folded in half and twisted slightly to add stiffness) > with contact cleaner and clean the whole length of the leaf. Spray > the pipe cleaner with contact cleaner and wipe with a paper towel > each time before moving on to a new set of contacts. > > After that, I usually run a piece of 600-800 grit sandpaper between > each contact. Cut a three inch by quarter inch piece and fold it in > half lengthwise so you can clean each contact at the same time. Run > it through 10 times or so and gently squeeze normally open contacts > together while you do this. Again, spray and wipe the sandpaper each > time before moving on to the next set of contacts so you don't > spread "dirt" around. Others on the list will howl at this, but here > in the Deep South I find heavily oxidized contacts are tough to > clean with a burnishing tool. I've done this many times with good > results. Whatever you do, don't use a nail file. > > After that, check continuity on each switch with your meter. Don't > skip this step - it will eliminate contacts as a source of problems > so you can concentrate elsewhere. Good luck, > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Lukas" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem > > >> One question Jim. What should I use to clean the leaf switches in >> the keyboard and accumulator? >> >> On Apr 7, 2009, at 7:25 PM, > > wrote: >> >>> There is a long latch bar going through the keyboard that is >>> supposed to lock buttons down (when you have credit and the latch >>> solenoid is on). It could be that the keyboard is not mounted in >>> the frame properly (too far down on the left side) so that when >>> you press buttons A-K, it actually is not pressing the switch far >>> enough to lock. Not locking is purely mechanical - there are >>> adjustment screws on the bar(s), but be careful if you've never >>> done this before. I would get the keyboard working first (using >>> the other letters) before worrying about that. >>> >>> As far as the buttons staying down and nothing happening, that >>> most likely is a dirty or out of adjustment leaf switch. With the >>> latch solenoid in and both a letter and number pressed, there are >>> two leaf switches in series that must be made to complete the >>> circuit to the reset coil in the accumulator (mounted behind the >>> titleboards upper left of cabinet). If this coil doesn't >>> energize, nothing will happen. Clean the leaf switches in the >>> keyboard (with power off) and remove the accumulator and clean >>> all leaf switches on the reset coil and the ADR relay. There is a >>> fuse in the accumulator and a couple in the junction box in the >>> bottom of the machine - check them all for proper size. Try all >>> this and let us know what happens. >>> >>> Jim >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Lukas" >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >>> >>> >>>> Unfortunately that didn't do the trick. Those 2 buttons aren't >>>> stuck down now and i can engage them by hand with a small >>>> screwdriver (the buttons don't work for those 2) and then use >>>> the reset to release them but nothing happens when those 2 or >>>> others are engaged. The first bank of letters A-K still won't >>>> engage. Is there any fuses involved with this or is there >>>> something to reset anywhere? >>>> >>>> ~dan >>>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, the color shield (part 25369). >>>>> >>>>> On the 1495 it is glass and mine was missing when I got it, I >>>>> did a home made replacement with a piece of plexi-glass. This >>>>> all means that I have easy access. >>>>> >>>>> Since the getting stuck is physical and the actions of the >>>>> buttons is also physical, I don't think contact cleaner would >>>>> help, but there are electronic parts near-by where it might be >>>>> a good idea. >>>>> >>>>> There is also a spring on the right side, that you might want to >>>>> check the action on. >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps. I've fumbled and learned my way around my >>>>> Regis, but am not at the point where I can easily describe >>>>> things I've done. >>>>> >>>>> TJ >>>>> >>>>> Thomas J. Mertz >>>>> Department of History >>>>> Edgewood College >>>>> tjmertz@sbcglobal.net >>>>> Advocating on Madison Public Schools >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: >>>>> From: Dan Lukas >>>>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >>>>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:12 PM >>>>> >>>>> TJ >>>>> >>>>> Is that referred to as the color shield? It looks like there >>>>> are 4 nuts that >>>>> need to be removed from the inside to remove that shield. If >>>>> and when I get >>>>> those 2 keys freed up is there anything else I should do? >>>>> Like spray some >>>>> contact cleaner on them? I'm going to order a new push button >>>>> set also. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Dan >>>>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Odds are you can unstick by hand. It helps to take the bottom >>>>>> diffuser >>>>> off to get a good angle. >>>>>> >>>>>> TJ >>>>>> >>>>>> Thomas J. Mertz >>>>>> Department of History >>>>>> Edgewood College >>>>>> tjmertz@sbcglobal.net >>>>>> Advocating on Madison Public Schools >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: >>>>>> From: Dan Lukas >>>>>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >>>>>> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:55 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes the 7 button is broken and stuck down. Also the N button >>>>>> is partially >>>>>> stuck down. This was the last record that looks to have been >>>>>> played. I >>>>> am >>>>>> assuming that the reject or reset function may be broken. Is >>>>>> this a fuse >>>>> or >>>>>> solenoid? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ianzap at hotmail.com Sun Apr 12 03:37:27 2009 From: ianzap at hotmail.com (Ian Zapczynski) Date: Sun Apr 12 03:39:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Tony Miller In-Reply-To: <20090411190002.108D7AAF23@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090411190002.108D7AAF23@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: It is unfortunate that when speaking on the loss of Tony, I can only refer to his tremendous contributions on the list here as well as to Seeburg owners everywhere. Surely others who truly knew him can speak more about his apparent kindness and intellect, but I can only say that I greatly appreciated his willingness to pass on the information he gained about the machines he worked on and loved to younger folk like myself. I don't know how I would have gotten as far as I did without him, and I'm not sure how I will get much farther now that this sad day has come to pass. Obviously this is a tremendous loss to our community. But without knowing the man himself, I can't even imagine the loss his family must feel at this time. My best wishes go out to all of them and all of you as well. -Ian _________________________________________________________________ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701A From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Apr 12 05:38:18 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Apr 12 05:40:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem References: <389988.92503.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com><95CEBEA1-EE75-4D8A-B0EA-90EED4EA31EF@wi.rr.com><000801c9b7e0$825c8ab0$6101a8c0@Dirksen><003f01c9b8a7$663924c0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <000b01c9bb6b$90416770$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I'm going to assume the buttons stick down a while, then finally pop back out and the reset coil energizes and the machine takes off and plays. With power off, hold in the latch solenoid by hand and press a letter and number button and watch the two leaf switches. Keep the latch solenoid held in so both buttons will stay stuck down. You will see a small lever move over and activate those switches. Be sure they are making good contact. Since your lock bar was disconnected, it may be slightly out of adjustment so that it needs just a tiny bit more travel. The bar is usually slotted so you can loosen the screw and move it slightly. Or you can usually bend the contacts closer together slightly. With power on, buttons locked in, you can use an insulated tool (or a plastic pen or something similar) to lightly touch those contacts together. If it immediately selects, you will know which contact to clean or adjust. If you determine the leaf switches are OK, it is probably the sliding wafer switches under each pushbutton. These switches are difficult to clean. I usually remove the keyboard from the cabinet. Be careful and support the harness - it will break the wafer edge or wires will break off solder lugs because of the weight. You can now directly spray contact cleaner on the switch assembly while working each pushbutton in and out 20 or so times. Spray generously and do one switch at a time. Repeat as necessary or until your thumb is sore. Let us know what you find. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Lukas" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem > Jim > > On the first bank of keys (A-K) the bar had disconnected so I connected > that up and those keys now work. I also cleaned the leaf switches on the > key assembly and the accumulator and now have it working but it is not > acting normally. When I engage some keys on free play it will sit for a > while before it plays. It just seems like it is taking a while to > energize. I also checked some of the fuses and they are the wrong size. > Some should be 3A and they are 2.5 etc. > > Any ideas about why it would take so long to energize? I imagine there > is still something not right in the accumulator. > > Thanks so much for your guidance. > > ~dan > On Apr 8, 2009, at 7:09 PM, > > wrote: > >> If they are oily, I clean them first with a "non-residue" type contact >> cleaner (LPS brand available at Ace Hardware woks well). Don't spray >> directly on the contacts unless you want to ruin your records and any >> other plastic or painted parts nearby. I saturate a pipe cleaner (folded >> in half and twisted slightly to add stiffness) with contact cleaner and >> clean the whole length of the leaf. Spray the pipe cleaner with contact >> cleaner and wipe with a paper towel each time before moving on to a new >> set of contacts. >> >> After that, I usually run a piece of 600-800 grit sandpaper between each >> contact. Cut a three inch by quarter inch piece and fold it in half >> lengthwise so you can clean each contact at the same time. Run it >> through 10 times or so and gently squeeze normally open contacts >> together while you do this. Again, spray and wipe the sandpaper each >> time before moving on to the next set of contacts so you don't spread >> "dirt" around. Others on the list will howl at this, but here in the >> Deep South I find heavily oxidized contacts are tough to clean with a >> burnishing tool. I've done this many times with good results. Whatever >> you do, don't use a nail file. >> >> After that, check continuity on each switch with your meter. Don't skip >> this step - it will eliminate contacts as a source of problems so you >> can concentrate elsewhere. Good luck, >> >> Jim >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Lukas" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >> >> >>> One question Jim. What should I use to clean the leaf switches in the >>> keyboard and accumulator? >>> >>> On Apr 7, 2009, at 7:25 PM, >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>>> There is a long latch bar going through the keyboard that is supposed >>>> to lock buttons down (when you have credit and the latch solenoid is >>>> on). It could be that the keyboard is not mounted in the frame >>>> properly (too far down on the left side) so that when you press >>>> buttons A-K, it actually is not pressing the switch far enough to >>>> lock. Not locking is purely mechanical - there are adjustment screws >>>> on the bar(s), but be careful if you've never done this before. I >>>> would get the keyboard working first (using the other letters) before >>>> worrying about that. >>>> >>>> As far as the buttons staying down and nothing happening, that most >>>> likely is a dirty or out of adjustment leaf switch. With the latch >>>> solenoid in and both a letter and number pressed, there are two leaf >>>> switches in series that must be made to complete the circuit to the >>>> reset coil in the accumulator (mounted behind the titleboards upper >>>> left of cabinet). If this coil doesn't energize, nothing will happen. >>>> Clean the leaf switches in the keyboard (with power off) and remove >>>> the accumulator and clean all leaf switches on the reset coil and the >>>> ADR relay. There is a fuse in the accumulator and a couple in the >>>> junction box in the bottom of the machine - check them all for proper >>>> size. Try all this and let us know what happens. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Lukas" >>>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>>> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:06 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >>>> >>>> >>>>> Unfortunately that didn't do the trick. Those 2 buttons aren't >>>>> stuck down now and i can engage them by hand with a small >>>>> screwdriver (the buttons don't work for those 2) and then use the >>>>> reset to release them but nothing happens when those 2 or others are >>>>> engaged. The first bank of letters A-K still won't engage. Is >>>>> there any fuses involved with this or is there something to reset >>>>> anywhere? >>>>> >>>>> ~dan >>>>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes, the color shield (part 25369). >>>>>> >>>>>> On the 1495 it is glass and mine was missing when I got it, I did a >>>>>> home made replacement with a piece of plexi-glass. This all means >>>>>> that I have easy access. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since the getting stuck is physical and the actions of the buttons >>>>>> is also physical, I don't think contact cleaner would help, but >>>>>> there are electronic parts near-by where it might be a good idea. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is also a spring on the right side, that you might want to >>>>>> check the action on. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this helps. I've fumbled and learned my way around my Regis, >>>>>> but am not at the point where I can easily describe things I've >>>>>> done. >>>>>> >>>>>> TJ >>>>>> >>>>>> Thomas J. Mertz >>>>>> Department of History >>>>>> Edgewood College >>>>>> tjmertz@sbcglobal.net >>>>>> Advocating on Madison Public Schools >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: >>>>>> From: Dan Lukas >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >>>>>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:12 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> TJ >>>>>> >>>>>> Is that referred to as the color shield? It looks like there are 4 >>>>>> nuts that >>>>>> need to be removed from the inside to remove that shield. If and >>>>>> when I get >>>>>> those 2 keys freed up is there anything else I should do? Like >>>>>> spray some >>>>>> contact cleaner on them? I'm going to order a new push button set >>>>>> also. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Dan >>>>>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Thomas Mertz wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Odds are you can unstick by hand. It helps to take the bottom >>>>>>> diffuser >>>>>> off to get a good angle. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TJ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thomas J. Mertz >>>>>>> Department of History >>>>>>> Edgewood College >>>>>>> tjmertz@sbcglobal.net >>>>>>> Advocating on Madison Public Schools >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dan Lukas wrote: >>>>>>> From: Dan Lukas >>>>>>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1497 Empress selector problem >>>>>>> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:55 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes the 7 button is broken and stuck down. Also the N button is >>>>>>> partially >>>>>>> stuck down. This was the last record that looks to have been >>>>>>> played. I >>>>>> am >>>>>>> assuming that the reject or reset function may be broken. Is this >>>>>>> a fuse >>>>>> or >>>>>>> solenoid? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Apr 12 07:19:03 2009 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Apr 12 07:21:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Tony Miller Message-ID: Another of the greats has left us. I'm truly thankful for all the info he freely shared. I have most of his books on Seeburgs and they and his website are a wealth of information that has helped me get all of the Seeburgs I encounter working and also understand how they work.My heart goes out to his family for their loss. J.C. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com Sun Apr 12 09:55:12 2009 From: mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com (Mechanical Music of S.F.) Date: Sun Apr 12 10:02:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: W2800 turntable playing fast Message-ID: Ron, I also printed out a 50Hz 45RPM strobe disc. When I played it. The lines still appeared to move...this time counter clockwise...indicating playing to slow for that cycle. Idler wheel might be it. Does anyone have the diameter of a known good 45rpm idler. I would be happy to measure it out. Thanks again Rich------------------ Sorry for the late reply on this. I've no time to read the list lately. Um, if you're looking at the strobe disc from the front of the machine (Wurlitzer), you're viewing the "bottom" of a record that's playing (so going the wrong direction, watch the lead out groove), so the strobe disc was actually indicating fast play, not slow. Kyle ~ Mechanical Music of San Francisco _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile1_042009 From normanwohl at aol.com Sat Apr 11 12:44:56 2009 From: normanwohl at aol.com (normanwohl@aol.com) Date: Sun Apr 12 10:14:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Will be missed Message-ID: <16338430-1239479095-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-689177010-@bxe1194.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> My condolences to his family. He will be missed. Norman Wohlmuth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Apr 12 11:26:56 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Apr 12 11:30:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Tony Miller Message-ID: <20090412.142656.24220.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> My condolence and best wishes to everyone that were close to Tony Miller. I have several of his tech manuals and books which cover the technology behind Seeburg jukeboxes. These docs helped servicers understand the nuances of Seeburg engineering. Others on this thread have expressed the thought eloquently. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on starting a business from your home. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRRJW1DEn2NSgZjJaTyCz8CRqBGeQ928AL12IA7XqiQ1Ma12h9IVi/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Apr 12 11:44:16 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Apr 12 11:48:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: W2800 turntable playing fast Message-ID: <20090412.144416.24220.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I recently completed a mech/electronic overhaul of a W2800 (US) for a client that was equipped with the newer style idler driven turntable motor. The idler wheel has been refurbished (it had flat spots in it) and new correct TT flywheel belts have been installed. The turntable speed, when checked with a 60 Hz strobe disc shows a slightly fast-running turntable. Judging from the number of recent letters here on that subject, apparently this is a common problem. I've never noticed it on other Wurlitzers of this era. Since the customer is probably used to listening to their records spun fast (they've owned this box for a long time) I'm inclined not to pursue a fix for this issue. In general, the idler wheel's diameter (wheel running against the motor shaft) will not affect the turntable speed on a W carousel mech. The belt thickness,the diameter of the flywheel and idler wheel belt pulley (is there a hardened dirt buildup on these surfaces?) will affect the playback speed. The TT motor is a synchronous type which locks into the 60Hz line frequency to maintain it's speed accuracy. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to shop and find discounts on certified diamond jewelry. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYag6t2RcUU3C9Qu1QXXUhi4y8CJyRzProsjexTNzmW7jjS3mUsZPa/ From jay at west.net Sun Apr 12 12:22:34 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Apr 12 12:24:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transistors In-Reply-To: <402CBAFFCA554DDC8507640AD38334C6@yourguessing> References: <8A7A97890E3B4205AD2930C5136117C5@yourguessing> <49E0149A.7030204@west.net> <402CBAFFCA554DDC8507640AD38334C6@yourguessing> Message-ID: <49E23F7A.8030909@west.net> Stephen Rice wrote: > Thanks, They have the BDW83C and MJE15034GOS-ND but won't allow back > orders on the BDW84C. > > But at least they had the cross that I did not see(the MJE15034GOS-ND). > Thanks for the cross reference. > > I will continue to try to locate the BDW84C's in country. What's the power supply rail voltage on that amplifier? I may have a suitable sub. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Sun Apr 12 13:10:23 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Sun Apr 12 13:12:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Changing title strips on a Trashcan Message-ID: I'm doing a few jobs on a customer's Trashcan. One of the "faults" is that the lower title strips in each block are impossible to change. I'm not very familiar with these machines, but I suspect he was trying to remove the whole lens,rather than just the strip from under it. Due to the angle the buttons sit at, there is insufficient clearance to remove the bottom 2 or 3 lenses in each column. Is there any trick (other than removing the centre chrome part, which we both worked out) or is it just difficult? Thanks, Adrian. From 19k20 at comcast.net Sun Apr 12 13:13:29 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sun Apr 12 13:15:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: W2800 turntable playing fast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008a01c9bbab$25c99760$715cc620$@net> Kyle, Thanks for your input on this. My fix was to replace the TT belt with the correct size. The belt that came on the machine when I got it was a little thicker diameter and rode high in the "V" groves on the idler. That caused it to spin at about 49 RPM. Just enough to notice. When replaced with a correctly sized belt, (I also had the newer style TT assembly on my 2800) everything slowed down exactly right. Kenny Rogers sounded like he was singing Coward of the County and not the Chipmunks of the County. Happy Easter....Everyone. Rich. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mechanical Music of S.F. Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 11:55 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: W2800 turntable playing fast Ron, I also printed out a 50Hz 45RPM strobe disc. When I played it. The lines still appeared to move...this time counter clockwise...indicating playing to slow for that cycle. Idler wheel might be it. Does anyone have the diameter of a known good 45rpm idler. I would be happy to measure it out. Thanks again Rich------------------ Sorry for the late reply on this. I've no time to read the list lately. Um, if you're looking at the strobe disc from the front of the machine (Wurlitzer), you're viewing the "bottom" of a record that's playing (so going the wrong direction, watch the lead out groove), so the strobe disc was actually indicating fast play, not slow. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2041 - Release Date: 04/11/09 10:51:00 From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 13:40:38 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Sun Apr 12 13:49:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Tony Miller In-Reply-To: <20090412.142656.24220.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090412.142656.24220.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: We have lost several of our juke veterans in the VERY near past such as Mr. Dean, Rockola Charlie, now Tony. I only hope that those of us who are fairly active on the list can remember enough of their knowledge to pass it on to future generations of potential juke owners/collectors. All of the above mentioned individuals freely shared much information and helped many people get their jukes up and running well. Those are hard shoes to fill indeed. While I never spoke with Tony personally, his info provided on the list and on his website helped me personally on more than one occasion. Thomas On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 1:26 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > My condolence and best wishes to everyone that were close to Tony Miller. > I have several of his tech manuals and books which cover the technology > behind Seeburg jukeboxes. These docs helped servicers understand the > nuances of Seeburg engineering. Others on this thread have expressed the > thought eloquently. > Jim Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here for free information on starting a business from your home. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRRJW1DEn2NSgZjJaTyCz8CRqBGeQ928AL12IA7XqiQ1Ma12h9IVi/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Apr 12 14:32:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Apr 12 14:34:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Changing title strips on a Trashcan Message-ID: <635045.35921.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Adrian, It's been a long while since I changed strips on a trashcan, but I remember that the whole section with the clear buttons comes out very easily, and you just slidethe strips in/out of the clear plastic holder----If I re-call right --there are a couple of "catches" that need to be "lifted" in order to remove the button assembly-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: From: Juke of Shrewsbury Subject: [Jukebox-list] Changing title strips on a Trashcan To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 1:10 PM I'm doing a few jobs on a customer's Trashcan. One of the "faults" is that the lower title strips in each block are impossible to change. I'm not very familiar with these machines, but I suspect he was trying to remove the whole lens,rather than just the strip from under it. Due to the angle the buttons sit at, there is insufficient clearance to remove the bottom 2 or 3 lenses in each column. Is there any trick (other than removing the centre chrome part, which we both worked out) or is it just difficult? Thanks, Adrian. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Apr 12 15:42:18 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Apr 12 15:45:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Changing title strips on a Trashcan References: Message-ID: <001901c9bbbf$f01363c0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> It's difficult, expecially if they've been in there a while. I made a little fish hook out of a paper clip to reach in and grab the titlestrips. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juke of Shrewsbury" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:10 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Changing title strips on a Trashcan I'm doing a few jobs on a customer's Trashcan. One of the "faults" is that the lower title strips in each block are impossible to change. I'm not very familiar with these machines, but I suspect he was trying to remove the whole lens,rather than just the strip from under it. Due to the angle the buttons sit at, there is insufficient clearance to remove the bottom 2 or 3 lenses in each column. Is there any trick (other than removing the centre chrome part, which we both worked out) or is it just difficult? Thanks, Adrian. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From radiocontrolhead at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 12 15:58:14 2009 From: radiocontrolhead at sbcglobal.net (Danny Mourad) Date: Sun Apr 12 15:59:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Changing title strips on a Trashcan Message-ID: <584535.18231.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lift the hood up, You should now be exposed to clips that you pull, doing so will free up a chrome holder between the columns of strips.? pull the clips and remove the chrome piece between the lens. --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: From: Juke of Shrewsbury Subject: [Jukebox-list] Changing title strips on a Trashcan To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 1:10 PM I'm doing a few jobs on a customer's Trashcan. One of the "faults" is that the lower title strips in each block are impossible to change. I'm not very familiar with these machines, but I suspect he was trying to remove the whole lens,rather than just the strip from under it. Due to the angle the buttons sit at, there is insufficient clearance to remove the bottom 2 or 3 lenses in each column. Is there any trick (other than removing the centre chrome part, which we both worked out) or is it just difficult? Thanks, Adrian. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ken at pinballrebel.com Sun Apr 12 14:57:23 2009 From: ken at pinballrebel.com (ken@pinballrebel.com) Date: Sun Apr 12 16:00:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Changing title strips on a Trashcan In-Reply-To: <635045.35921.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <635045.35921.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49E263C3.1020405@pinballrebel.com> The little center chrome part comes out and has a little tool built in to remove the strips...kinda cool actually Ron Rich wrote: > Adrian, > It's been a long while since I changed strips on a trashcan, but I remember that the whole section with the clear buttons comes out very easily, and you just slidethe strips in/out of the clear plastic holder----If I re-call right --there are a couple of "catches" that need to be "lifted" in order to remove the button assembly-- Ron Rich > > --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > > From: Juke of Shrewsbury > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Changing title strips on a Trashcan > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 1:10 PM > > I'm doing a few jobs on a customer's Trashcan. One of the "faults" is that the lower title strips in each block are impossible to change. I'm not very familiar with these machines, but I suspect he was trying to remove the whole lens,rather than just the strip from under it. Due to the angle the buttons sit at, there is insufficient clearance to remove the bottom 2 or 3 lenses in each column. Is there any trick (other than removing the centre chrome part, which we both worked out) or is it just difficult? > > Thanks, > > Adrian. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- Ken In Texas http://www.pinballrebel.com Custom Pinball Cards, Jukeboxes, Drive In's "Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you on his own. If he ain't, no need to embarrass him." From berrycbell at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 16:54:40 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Sun Apr 12 16:56:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Changing title strips on a Trashcan In-Reply-To: <001901c9bbbf$f01363c0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> References: <001901c9bbbf$f01363c0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: The Seeburg Trashcans have a factory device for removing title strips. It is located on the front title board. As I recall (haven't had a trashcan in many years) the chrome piece in between the the lenses that hold the titlestrips can be removed. Behind it, is a metal clip with a rubber tip that can be used to remove the title strips. I can't remember how the chrome piece is removed, but it definitely can be removed specifically for the task of removing titlestrips. Berry Bell On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 5:42 PM, wrote: > It's difficult, expecially if they've been in there a while. I made a > little fish hook out of a paper clip to reach in and grab the titlestrips. > Good luck, > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juke of Shrewsbury" < > jukeofshrewsbury@tiscali.co.uk> > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:10 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Changing title strips on a Trashcan > > > I'm doing a few jobs on a customer's Trashcan. One of the "faults" is that > the lower title strips in each block are impossible to change. I'm not very > familiar with these machines, but I suspect he was trying to remove the > whole lens,rather than just the strip from under it. Due to the angle the > buttons sit at, there is insufficient clearance to remove the bottom 2 or 3 > lenses in each column. Is there any trick (other than removing the centre > chrome part, which we both worked out) or is it just difficult? > > Thanks, > > Adrian. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Apr 12 20:10:10 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Apr 12 20:12:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W2600 won't select Message-ID: <000601c9bbe5$5dc5f890$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I'm working on a W2600 that only selects about 25% of the time. Keyboard switches have been cleaned and I measure less than one ohm across the series letter circuit. All relay contacts in the junction box and playrak have been cleaned and checked. All leaf switches in the keyboard have been cleaned and adjusted. The select light is on, buttons latch, the correct number solenoid engages, the select motor turns as it should. But most of the time, the letter solenoids do not pulse. I believe the problem is that TR1 does not delay releasing. As soon as I push the pulse relay in, TR1 immediately releases. With my son making selections, I can hold in TR1 lightly, and it will select much better. I've checked the resistor and replaced the 20mfd cap. Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks, Jim From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Mon Apr 13 02:02:01 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Mon Apr 13 02:03:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome Plating Message-ID: I have an original neck from an AMI Continental that my chromers cannot plate. They have tried two times. For some reason they are unable to plate it. I have had several complete jukeboxes plated by this company. They had polished for me and it looks like chrome. Is there any thing that can be applied to seal it and retain the metal shine. This is the first time that I have come across this problem. The plating people said this happens with different items from time to time. I have been advised by two auto spray shops that clear coating will send the metal gray. Has any one else had this problem and found a suitable seal. Graeme Harvey From srice3 at cfl.rr.com Mon Apr 13 04:00:53 2009 From: srice3 at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Rice) Date: Mon Apr 13 04:02:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transistors References: <8A7A97890E3B4205AD2930C5136117C5@yourguessing> <49E0149A.7030204@west.net><402CBAFFCA554DDC8507640AD38334C6@yourguessing> <49E23F7A.8030909@west.net> Message-ID: <6A294E88FB6646BDB972C135801E16FD@yourguessing> I will have to check later this week as I am waiting on the schematic for the jukebox. I believe it may be 63 volts but want to confirm it either with the meter or schematic. Thanks for the assistance. Steve Rice N4YZA Jay Hennigan wrote: >What's the power supply rail voltage on that amplifier? I may have a >suitable sub. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV Stephen Rice wrote: > Thanks, They have the BDW83C and MJE15034GOS-ND but won't allow back > orders on the BDW84C. > > But at least they had the cross that I did not see(the MJE15034GOS-ND). > Thanks for the cross reference. > > I will continue to try to locate the BDW84C's in country. From gibson510 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 13 05:07:36 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Mon Apr 13 05:09:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller Message-ID: Is there an address available where we can send a card to the family, and / or an online guestbook to sign? Thanks Rick Murray _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 13 07:39:49 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Mon Apr 13 07:41:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Deal O' the Week: 1954 AMI F-80 Jukebox - $750 Message-ID: <465840.43487.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Deal O' the week, maybe (might be too early to tell!) I didn't know that Bill Bickers was "infamous"!! I guess I "overmisunderestimated" him ;-) http://madison.craigslist.org/clt/1119318726.html Craigslist ad follows: ________________________________ 1954 AMI F-80 Jukebox Reply to: sale-wpd9t-1119318726@craigslist.org Date: 2009-04-12, 7:20PM Up for sale is a 1954 AMI F-80 Jukebox. I have had this for a few years now, and have decided to part with it. I initially bought this because you can see the mechanism moving and working. I have done so much to this machine, it should be working for many years to come. Here is a list of things that I have done to it so far. Amplifier was sent out to the infamous Bill Bickers. He is a Jukebox tech with over 40 years experience. He recapped the amplifier to remove the old capacitors from the amp and replace them with new ones to ensure many more years of life. I have also purchased a tube kit from the same man, so all tubes have been replaced. The amplifier works great. Cost me $215 for amp repair, $90 for the tube kit. Also purchased a universal needle/cartridge from the same man. This was a direct bolt in, and works great. Initially, the individual record slots were not numbered. I was able to find New Old Stock metal labels from another legend, Bill Butterfield. Now you know what number slot is used when you press each button to start a song. The horn speaker for this machine was cooked when I first picked this up. I installed a 200w horn speaker, that sounds great. I have done some cleaning to the inside of this machine. The inside had 50 years worth of grime from all of the oiling that had been done. I cleaned that topically, and looks much better. I re-oiled every that needed oiling, so the moving parts all work great. There were 2 gripper motors on this machine that were making strange sounds. I took those motors out, took them apart, and cleaned them internally. Man, what a difference, everything moves smoothly, and with no sound now, really worth the time there. I have also cleaned the pinbanks, and buttons on the front for song selections, but left the rest. I know how some would rather have the chrome with aging. Everything works in this beauty. I have seen a few of these for sale in the last few years, and from what I see it looks like people want upwards of $1200 for the same machine, in as good or worse shape. This machine will also come with the correct manual. If you have any questions, just reply to this ad, thanks. Mike * Location: Port Edwards, WI * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL:http://madison.craigslist.org/clt/1119318726.html ________________________________ Bob - Chi-town USA From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 08:22:21 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Apr 13 08:24:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller Message-ID: <692884.66691.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, His wife asked me not to release his address, however I am saving all that's been written for her and the kids--I have about 50 responses so far-- Thanks !? Ron Rich? --- On Mon, 4/13/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller To: "jukebox list" Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:07 AM Is there an address available where we can send a card to the family, and / or an online guestbook to sign? Thanks Rick Murray _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Mon Apr 13 11:13:28 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Mon Apr 13 11:15:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Changing title strips on a Trashcan References: <001901c9bbbf$f01363c0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <24B4E4D6EEE544DB8EAD262AD5A7C1BD@JUKEBUS> ..Thanks everyone! I had got as far as removing the chrome piece, but I failed to notice the "hidden tool" behind it! I will check that at the workshop tomorrow. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Berry Bell" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Changing title strips on a Trashcan The Seeburg Trashcans have a factory device for removing title strips. It is located on the front title board. As I recall (haven't had a trashcan in many years) the chrome piece in between the the lenses that hold the titlestrips can be removed. Behind it, is a metal clip with a rubber tip that can be used to remove the title strips. I can't remember how the chrome piece is removed, but it definitely can be removed specifically for the task of removing titlestrips. Berry Bell On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 5:42 PM, wrote: > It's difficult, expecially if they've been in there a while. I made a > little fish hook out of a paper clip to reach in and grab the titlestrips. > Good luck, > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juke of Shrewsbury" < > jukeofshrewsbury@tiscali.co.uk> > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:10 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Changing title strips on a Trashcan > > > I'm doing a few jobs on a customer's Trashcan. One of the "faults" is that > the lower title strips in each block are impossible to change. I'm not > very > familiar with these machines, but I suspect he was trying to remove the > whole lens,rather than just the strip from under it. Due to the angle the > buttons sit at, there is insufficient clearance to remove the bottom 2 or > 3 > lenses in each column. Is there any trick (other than removing the centre > chrome part, which we both worked out) or is it just difficult? > > Thanks, > > Adrian. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.54/2056 - Release Date: 04/13/09 05:51:00 From jhayes2613 at aol.com Mon Apr 13 09:38:01 2009 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Mon Apr 13 11:37:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller In-Reply-To: <692884.66691.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <692884.66691.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB8A6D581AAD66-1308-10CA@WEBMAIL-MA02.sysops.aol.com> I'll?weigh in... I didn't know?Tony personally but had visited his Seeburg trouble-shooting site many times. Always had a great deal of respect for him for that alone, plus all the great things I have heard about him. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:22 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller Hi All, is wife asked me not to release his address, however I am saving all that's een written for her and the kids--I have about 50 responses so far-- Thanks !? on Rich? --- On Mon, 4/13/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray ubject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller o: "jukebox list" ate: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:07 AM s there an address available where we can send a card to the family, and / or n online guestbook to sign? hanks Rick Murray _________________________________________________________________ ediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. ttp://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009_______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ______________________________________________ ukebox-list mailing list ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From steve at pro-ns.net Mon Apr 13 12:12:10 2009 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Mon Apr 13 12:13:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller In-Reply-To: <8CB8A6D581AAD66-1308-10CA@WEBMAIL-MA02.sysops.aol.com> References: <692884.66691.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CB8A6D581AAD66-1308-10CA@WEBMAIL-MA02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20090413191210.GC13001@pro-ns.net> Add me to the list of people who will miss him. I don't believe I ever communicated with him directly, but nevertheless I enjoyed his input to this mailing list. My best to his close friends and family... --> Steve On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:38:01PM -0400, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > I'll?weigh in... I didn't know?Tony personally but had visited his Seeburg trouble-shooting site many times. Always had a great deal of respect for him for that alone, plus all the great things I have heard about him. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Rich > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:22 am > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller > > > > Hi All, > is wife asked me not to release his address, however I am saving all that's > een written for her and the kids--I have about 50 responses so far-- Thanks !? > on Rich? > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, rick murray wrote: > From: rick murray > ubject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller > o: "jukebox list" > ate: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:07 AM > > s there an address available where we can send a card to the family, and / or > n online guestbook to sign? > > hanks > Rick Murray > _________________________________________________________________ > ediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. > ttp://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009_______________________________________________ > ukebox-list mailing list > ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > ______________________________________________ > ukebox-list mailing list > ukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep. -- Scott Adams From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Apr 13 12:39:26 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Apr 13 12:42:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W2600 won't select Message-ID: <20090413.153926.22099.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Hello Jim: A few quick suggestions: Have you verified that the rectifiers for the 28VDC power supply are OK and that there is no voltage sag when there is a current demand? If the power supply is weak, this can cause a lot of odd symptoms to occur. The other common occurence is high-resistance dirty connections (don't forget to check connector contacts) otherwise, it sounds like you've addressed that. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Learning Centers - Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXVv3jZYXPHcHsLiuwkYbhCaQdhCEBMeESuZ65e3Q2qSSudXqgzE8/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Mon Apr 13 13:23:43 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Mon Apr 13 13:25:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller In-Reply-To: <692884.66691.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <692884.66691.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01c9bc75$be0872b0$3a195810$@force9.co.uk> Hi Ron, Just got back from Rome and seen this. Please pass on my condolences to Tony's family. I have dealt with him many times last year regarding the red box system in my daughters Topaz. No better person than the man who designed it to help me out. He will be missed. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 13 April 2009 16:22 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller Hi All, His wife asked me not to release his address, however I am saving all that's been written for her and the kids--I have about 50 responses so far-- Thanks !? Ron Rich? --- On Mon, 4/13/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller To: "jukebox list" Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:07 AM Is there an address available where we can send a card to the family, and / or an online guestbook to sign? Thanks Rick Murray _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Sto rage1_042009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 13 13:48:55 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Mon Apr 13 13:50:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Chrome Plating Message-ID: <573715.7628.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I learned a 'trick' whilst spending my young youth in the U.S. Navy. We did a lot of polishing (by hand, mind you) in the 'Nav. An old timer advised me to carefully take a freshly polished bit of brass, being careful not to touch it with bare fingers, and coat it with a thin layer of clear tung oil. Despite its name, tung oil is a natural varnish, not really an 'oil'. If you touch the metal with bare fingers then the oil from your hand will become embedded under the oil coating. It WILL eventually oxidize the metal and show up. Surgical gloves are a good choice when handling polished metals. To coat the piece he recommended dipping a fresh wad of cotton into the tung oil and swab it all over the brass. It takes about a day for the tung oil to dry so you need to be patient and not fiddle with the piece during the curing time. About 13 years ago I polished up an antique brass doorbell assembly. I followed the tung oil technique to seal the shine in. I'll be darned if that assembly doesn't still look like the day it was polished! The nice thing about tung oil is that it NEVER yellows with age. My guess is that this might work on other polished metals as well. I'd give it a go if all other options are exhausted. Bob - Chicaga! Go Cubbies! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:02:01 +1000 From: "Graeme Harvey" Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome Plating To: "Jukebox mailing list" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have an original neck from an AMI Continental that my chromers cannot plate. They have tried two times. For some reason they are unable to plate it. I have had several complete jukeboxes plated by this company. They had polished for me and it looks like chrome. Is there any thing that can be applied to seal it and retain the metal shine. This is the first time that I have come across this problem. The plating people said this happens with different items from time to time. I have been advised by two auto spray shops that clear coating will send the metal gray. Has any one else had this problem and found a suitable seal. Graeme Harvey From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Mon Apr 13 14:20:30 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Mon Apr 13 14:22:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Chrome Plating References: <573715.7628.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22BA3A6F810449CFAFB9961B5D21B474@Graeme> Thanks for your reply Bob. I will let you know if it also works on die cast metal.. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "NotarySojac" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:48 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Chrome Plating >I learned a 'trick' whilst spending my young youth in the U.S. Navy. We did >a lot of polishing (by hand, mind you) in the 'Nav. > > An old timer advised me to carefully take a freshly polished bit of brass, > being careful not to touch it with bare fingers, and coat it with a thin > layer of clear tung oil. Despite its name, tung oil is a natural varnish, > not really an 'oil'. > > If you touch the metal with bare fingers then the oil from your hand will > become embedded under the oil coating. It WILL eventually oxidize the > metal and show up. Surgical gloves are a good choice when handling > polished metals. To coat the piece he recommended dipping a fresh wad of > cotton into the tung oil and swab it all over the brass. It takes about a > day for the tung oil to dry so you need to be patient and not fiddle with > the piece during the curing time. > > About 13 years ago I polished up an antique brass doorbell assembly. I > followed the tung oil technique to seal the shine in. I'll be darned if > that assembly doesn't still look like the day it was polished! The nice > thing about tung oil is that it NEVER yellows with age. > > My guess is that this might work on other polished metals as well. I'd > give it a go if all other options are exhausted. > > Bob - Chicaga! > Go Cubbies! > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:02:01 +1000 > From: "Graeme Harvey" > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome Plating > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I > have an original neck from an AMI Continental that my chromers cannot > plate. They have tried two times. For some reason they are unable > to plate it. I have had several complete jukeboxes plated by this > company. They had polished for me and it looks like chrome. Is > there any thing that can be applied to seal it and retain the metal > shine. This is the first time that I have come across this problem. > The plating people said this happens with different items from time > to time. > I have been advised by two auto spray shops that clear > coating will send the metal gray. Has any one else had this problem > and found a suitable seal. > > Graeme Harvey > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 15:33:58 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Apr 13 15:36:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Chrome Plating Message-ID: <871683.29199.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob, Thank for the tip--will that work for surfaces that are touched, such as my door handles ? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 4/13/09, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Chrome Plating To: "Jukebox List" Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 1:48 PM I learned a 'trick' whilst spending my young youth in the U.S. Navy. We did a lot of polishing (by hand, mind you) in the 'Nav. An old timer advised me to carefully take a freshly polished bit of brass, being careful not to touch it with bare fingers, and coat it with a thin layer of clear tung oil. Despite its name, tung oil is a natural varnish, not really an 'oil'. If you touch the metal with bare fingers then the oil from your hand will become embedded under the oil coating. It WILL eventually oxidize the metal and show up. Surgical gloves are a good choice when handling polished metals. To coat the piece he recommended dipping a fresh wad of cotton into the tung oil and swab it all over the brass. It takes about a day for the tung oil to dry so you need to be patient and not fiddle with the piece during the curing time. About 13 years ago I polished up an antique brass doorbell assembly. I followed the tung oil technique to seal the shine in. I'll be darned if that assembly doesn't still look like the day it was polished! The nice thing about tung oil is that it NEVER yellows with age. My guess is that this might work on other polished metals as well. I'd give it a go if all other options are exhausted. Bob - Chicaga! Go Cubbies! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:02:01 +1000 From: "Graeme Harvey" Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome Plating To: "Jukebox mailing list" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;? ? charset="iso-8859-1" I have an original neck from an AMI Continental that my chromers cannot plate.? They have tried two times.? ? For some reason they are unable to plate it.? ? I have had several complete jukeboxes plated by this company.? ? They had polished for me and it looks like chrome.? ? Is there any thing that can be applied to seal it and retain the metal shine.? ? This is the first time that I have come across this problem. ? ? The plating people said this happens with different items from time to time. I have been advised by two auto spray shops that clear coating will send the metal gray.? ? Has any one else had this problem and found a suitable seal. Graeme Harvey _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From johngartman at charter.net Mon Apr 13 16:36:17 2009 From: johngartman at charter.net (John Gartman) Date: Mon Apr 13 17:18:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hf100R mech cover Message-ID: <001601c9bc90$a476ee60$ed64cb20$@net> I just got around to buying an emblem from Victory glass for this cover. Now I am not sure if I have the right cover. The paint I got is powder blue my cover is a greenish color. The place where the emblem would mount has a little cure in it and the new emblem is flat. I am a little concerned about bending it to fit. Any have some advice? Should I look for another cover ? Thanks John Gartman From berrycbell at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 18:32:50 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Mon Apr 13 18:34:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hf100R mech cover In-Reply-To: <001601c9bc90$a476ee60$ed64cb20$@net> References: <001601c9bc90$a476ee60$ed64cb20$@net> Message-ID: John, The reproduction emblems are just not very good, unless they've improved. That's the reason you're having a color matching issue. I would hold out for an original mech cover with original emblem, they just look so much better. Berry Bell On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 6:36 PM, John Gartman wrote: > I just got around to buying an emblem from Victory glass for this cover. > Now I am not sure if I have the right cover. The paint I got is powder blue > my cover is a greenish color. The place where the emblem would mount has a > little cure in it and the new emblem is flat. I am a little concerned about > bending it to fit. Any have some advice? Should I look for another cover ? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > John Gartman > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jay at west.net Mon Apr 13 18:36:18 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Apr 13 18:37:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hf100R mech cover In-Reply-To: <001601c9bc90$a476ee60$ed64cb20$@net> References: <001601c9bc90$a476ee60$ed64cb20$@net> Message-ID: <49E3E892.7070104@west.net> John Gartman wrote: > I just got around to buying an emblem from Victory glass for this cover. > Now I am not sure if I have the right cover. The paint I got is powder blue > my cover is a greenish color. The place where the emblem would mount has a > little cure in it and the new emblem is flat. I am a little concerned about > bending it to fit. Any have some advice? Should I look for another cover ? The HF100R covers were originally powder blue. Most have oxidized to a cyan blue-green. Sand a spot on the inside where it doesn't show and you'll see the original color. The original emblems were resin-cast curved rigid plastic. The early style were glued to the mech cover with a blob of tar-like glue on the back. Later ones had four screws or rivets in the corners. I think the repro covers are made by a different process than resin casting as the mold for the resin-cast cover would likely be very expensive. Probably best to ask Victory as to the best way to attach the repro emblem. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From johndt3 at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 19:05:33 2009 From: johndt3 at gmail.com (John D Taylor III) Date: Mon Apr 13 19:07:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Message-ID: <49E3EF6D.6060408@gmail.com> I'm really sorry to hear about Tony's death. I didn't know him personally, only through this list, and the Seeburg list. I do know that he was among the first to help me when I had problems with a jukebox. I would see his name and Ron's so often that I felt like I knew them. It's has given me a lot of comfort to know that one of the other would be their if I needed them. So when Tony passed, even though I did not know him personally,-I personally felt a loss. not only because he was able to help me with my repair problems, but you could feel his sincerity and friendship. My condolences to all of his friends and family, and the ones on this list who will miss him as I do. John From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 19:28:34 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Apr 13 19:30:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hf100R mech cover Message-ID: <759623.77434.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> You have the wrong cover--Ron Rich --- On Mon, 4/13/09, John Gartman wrote: From: John Gartman Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hf100R mech cover To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 4:36 PM I just got around to buying an emblem from Victory glass for this cover. Now I am not sure if I have the right cover. The paint I got is powder blue my cover is a greenish color. The place where the emblem would mount has a little cure in it and the new emblem is flat. I am a little concerned about bending it to fit. Any have some advice? Should I look for another cover ? Thanks John Gartman _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 11:19:20 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Tue Apr 14 11:21:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller In-Reply-To: <691819.96891.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <691819.96891.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690904141119p28e77d7at274dda37c8b1b253@mail.gmail.com> I am so sorry to hear this. We need more people like Tony, not less! Jens (in Sweden) On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > People, it is with much sadness that I must inform you that Tony Miller > past away Monday. I don't know any details, as his wife just phoned and > asked if I would inform all that I could. He was only 62--- I know that I > shall miss him dearly---Ron Rich > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From drjukebox at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 11:24:15 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Tue Apr 14 11:25:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome Plating In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3154d3690904141124k4a07b471gabc5e63ec01f6a92@mail.gmail.com> Aluminum can be tricky to replate. Also pot metal,when they can't figure out what alloy they're working with.I sometimes had to resort to polish the metal after the plater failed to achieve an acceptable result. I used clear lacquer to preserve the shine. That may yellow over the years though. Polyurethane may work better. I have a guy in Texas who claims he can plate anything with excellent results, including pot metal that is pitted, bent and and broken, and all the way to plastic and porcelain. Haven't put him to the harder tests yet. His work doesn't come cheap. Jens On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Graeme Harvey wrote: > I have an original neck from an AMI Continental that my chromers cannot > plate. They have tried two times. For some reason they are unable to > plate it. I have had several complete jukeboxes plated by this company. > They had polished for me and it looks like chrome. Is there any > thing that can be applied to seal it and retain the metal shine. This is > the first time that I have come across this problem. The plating people > said this happens with different items from time to time. > I have been advised by two auto spray shops that clear coating will send > the metal gray. Has any one else had this problem and found a suitable > seal. > > Graeme Harvey > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Apr 14 11:45:13 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue Apr 14 11:47:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite 200 Message-ID: <000c01c9bd31$262f48d0$728dda70$@net> I recently was given this juke. Looks to me like it needs a lot of work. I know there are some NSM experts here and am looking for opinion as to what might be going on with it. I am not at all familiar with this style. I know it is missing the bill acceptor, color organ, and some of the coin mech. Some of the cables were also disconnected. I believe I got everything plugged back in. When I apply power, the selector board lights up and flashes error/reset. Some of the LED's do not fully light up. I try to make a selection and nothing at all happens. I have taken some pictures and some video and posted on my juke site. Can anyone give me an idea where to start? http://myersjukes.mine.nu/NSM Thanks again. Rich From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 14 12:11:42 2009 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Tue Apr 14 12:13:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Chrome Plating Message-ID: <146289.90364.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rich, I think it will. My old 1929 doorbell fixture gets touched fairly frequently and it looks terrific. Like any 'varnish', repeated handling will eventually wear the coating off. For a doorknob perhaps several coats of tung oil would help. This reminds me, I did my outside entry door hardware several years ago and it still looks pretty good considering it's out in the elements and gets handled daily. YMMV with this technique. Bob - Chicago --------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Chrome Plating To: Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <871683.29199.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Bob, Thank for the tip--will that work for surfaces that are touched, such as my door handles ? Ron Rich From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Apr 14 13:40:48 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Apr 14 13:42:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Chrome Plating Message-ID: <467232.45789.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob, Thanks, I'll try it--mine is outside also--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 4/14/09, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Chrome Plating To: "Jukebox List" Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 12:11 PM Rich, I think it will. My old 1929 doorbell fixture gets touched fairly frequently and it looks terrific. Like any 'varnish', repeated handling will eventually wear the coating off. For a doorknob perhaps several coats of tung oil would help. This reminds me, I did my outside entry door hardware several years ago and it still looks pretty good considering it's out in the elements and gets handled daily. YMMV with this technique. Bob - Chicago --------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Chrome Plating To: Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <871683.29199.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Bob, Thank for the tip--will that work for surfaces that are touched, such as my door handles ? Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Tue Apr 14 16:19:12 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue Apr 14 16:20:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite 200 In-Reply-To: <000c01c9bd31$262f48d0$728dda70$@net> References: <000c01c9bd31$262f48d0$728dda70$@net> Message-ID: <20090414231705.M38038@dwave.net> Hi Rich, It will be an up hill battle but I would be glad to help you out if you wish. I am still working on Tom's Satellite as there always seems to be some extra issues until things are up and working. The power board will need to be recapped. It looks like you have enough there to get things working. The color organ should be obtainable (only purchase after things are working). It also depends on how much time and $$ you want to spend. Feel free to contact me off the group if you want to pursue this farther. I still have to watch your movies (thanks for posting the pics) Thanks Jeremy Agema On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:45:13 -0500, Ssg Rich Myers wrote > I recently was given this juke. Looks to me like it needs a lot of > work. I know there are some NSM experts here and am looking for > opinion as to what might be going on with it. I am not at all > familiar with this style. > > I know it is missing the bill acceptor, color organ, and some of the > coin mech. Some of the cables were also disconnected. I believe I got > everything plugged back in. When I apply power, the selector board lights > up and flashes error/reset. Some of the LED's do not fully light > up. I try to make a selection and nothing at all happens. > > I have taken some pictures and some video and posted on my juke > site. Can anyone give me an idea where to start? > > http://myersjukes.mine.nu/NSM > > Thanks again. > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From srice3 at cfl.rr.com Tue Apr 14 16:57:35 2009 From: srice3 at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Rice) Date: Tue Apr 14 16:58:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transistors References: <8A7A97890E3B4205AD2930C5136117C5@yourguessing> <49E0149A.7030204@west.net><402CBAFFCA554DDC8507640AD38334C6@yourguessing><49E23F7A.8030909@west.net> <6A294E88FB6646BDB972C135801E16FD@yourguessing> Message-ID: <610628483F57482D93283D4C3894C181@yourguessing> I was able to locate all the transistors between Australia and the US so have ordered them from the two different sources. I wanted to thank Jay Hennigan for his offer to help with an alternative. I was able to find some alternative Darlington's but they were less power so decided to stick with the original parts. Once I get the amp repaired I will be looking into the remaining problems but suspect I will have to do a lot of work on the control unit for this NSM galaxy CD 100 as well as some of the other modules. Thanks again for the help Jay and I will let the list know how it goes. This NSM is much different then the Rock-ola and AMI I have repaired in the past! Steve ---------------------------------- >Steve Rice Wrote: >I will have to check later this week as I am waiting on the schematic for >the jukebox. >I believe it may be 63 volts but want to confirm it either with the meter >or schematic. >Thanks for the assistance. >Steve Rice N4YZA Jay Hennigan wrote: >What's the power supply rail voltage on that amplifier? I may have a >suitable sub. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV Stephen Rice wrote: > Thanks, They have the BDW83C and MJE15034GOS-ND but won't allow back > orders on the BDW84C. > > But at least they had the cross that I did not see(the MJE15034GOS-ND). > Thanks for the cross reference. > > I will continue to try to locate the BDW84C's in country. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please do not use or circulate this e-mail transmission in the absence of explicit written permission from the original sender. Its contents are privileged and confidential, and are meant for use only by the named addressee(s) or entity. If the reader is not an intended recipient, then dissemination, in whole or in part, of these materials is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission, and kindly delete the message without copying or disclosing it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jeremy at dwave.net Tue Apr 14 17:03:31 2009 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue Apr 14 17:05:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite 200 followup In-Reply-To: <20090414231705.M38038@dwave.net> References: <000c01c9bd31$262f48d0$728dda70$@net> <20090414231705.M38038@dwave.net> Message-ID: <20090414235821.M28252@dwave.net> Ok Rich, I just watched the video - very helpful. You have two apparent problems that I spotted. First, your displays are burnt out from being connected improperly (don't ask). The parts are easily available. Second, I belive your error is with the mech control circuit (errors when you try to get the mech moving). There is a red square button on the power supply board that is supposed to get the mech moving when pressed. Jeremy Agema On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:19:12 -0500, Jeremy Agema wrote > Hi Rich, It will be an up hill battle but I would be glad to help > you out if you wish. I am still working on Tom's Satellite as there > always seems to be some extra issues until things are up and working. > > The power board will need to be recapped. It looks like you have > enough there to get things working. The color organ should be > obtainable (only purchase after things are working). > > It also depends on how much time and $$ you want to spend. > > Feel free to contact me off the group if you want to pursue this farther. > > I still have to watch your movies (thanks for posting the pics) > > Thanks > Jeremy Agema > > On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:45:13 -0500, Ssg Rich Myers wrote > > I recently was given this juke. Looks to me like it needs a lot of > > work. I know there are some NSM experts here and am looking for > > opinion as to what might be going on with it. I am not at all > > familiar with this style. > > > > I know it is missing the bill acceptor, color organ, and some of the > > coin mech. Some of the cables were also disconnected. I believe I got > > everything plugged back in. When I apply power, the selector board lights > > up and flashes error/reset. Some of the LED's do not fully light > > up. I try to make a selection and nothing at all happens. > > > > I have taken some pictures and some video and posted on my juke > > site. Can anyone give me an idea where to start? > > > > http://myersjukes.mine.nu/NSM > > > > Thanks again. > > > > Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From lavin at cheqnet.net Tue Apr 14 18:35:07 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Tue Apr 14 18:46:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller References: <691819.96891.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Man, I have been away from the computer for a few weeks, and just going thrugh all the list emails when I ran across this sad news. Back a few years when I got back into jukes, I came apon his site, and emailed him some questions, he got right back to me wich kinda suprised me because he didn't know me at all. We ended up emailing back and foruth many times after that, I loaned him some info on the Seeburg Phono-Jet juke, as he was putting together a book on the tormat systems and coin gear for those year machines( Seeburg 100 selection jukes of the 60's and early 70's) I took some photo's and scans of the coin credit unit in my S100 and some other items, and for that he was kind enough to send me a spankin new copy of the book, with his signurature in it to me . I was stunned. What a great guy. We have lost another great juke person. Our prayers go out to Tony's family. Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller > People, it is with much sadness that I must inform you that Tony Miller > past away Monday. I don't know any details, as his wife just phoned and > asked if I would inform all that I could. He was only 62--- I know that I > shall miss him dearly---Ron Rich > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Tue Apr 14 19:50:34 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Tue Apr 14 19:52:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller In-Reply-To: References: <691819.96891.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0D4C8C6FBC1444DABE3661ED85FAC141@CCOSPC> OMG...... I 'met' Tony the same way. I had a couple SMC's in the shop and he asked me to send him some components that were a different number than he had schematics on. He wanted to make some, for all of our benefit. I sent them to him, he repaired them for me, paid the shipping both ways, AND sent me a free copy of his book. The jukebox community will sorely miss his genuine interest in helping others. I didn't know him, other than his posts to this list, but I have no doubt I will miss him as well. Thank you Tony Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue and Dennis Lavin" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller > Man, I have been away from the computer for a few weeks, and just going > thrugh all the list emails when I ran across this sad news. > > Back a few years when I got back into jukes, I came apon his site, and > emailed him some questions, he got right back to me wich kinda suprised me > because he didn't know me at all. > > We ended up emailing back and foruth many times after that, I loaned him > some info on the Seeburg Phono-Jet juke, as he was putting together a book > on the tormat systems and coin gear for those year machines( Seeburg 100 > selection jukes of the 60's and early 70's) > I took some photo's and scans of the coin credit unit in my S100 and some > other items, and for that he was kind enough to send me a spankin new copy > of the book, with his signurature in it to me . > > I was stunned. What a great guy. We have lost another great juke person. > > Our prayers go out to Tony's family. > > > Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) > > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rich" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:49 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tony Miller > > >> People, it is with much sadness that I must inform you that Tony Miller >> past away Monday. I don't know any details, as his wife just phoned and >> asked if I would inform all that I could. He was only 62--- I know that I >> shall miss him dearly---Ron Rich >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Wed Apr 15 00:20:07 2009 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Wed Apr 15 00:21:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite 200 followup Message-ID: <66064.59119.qm@web86706.mail.ird.yahoo.com> I have a pdf of the programming manual - also lets you know what the error codes mean.? Let me know?if you want me to?e-mail it (6MB). As Jeremy has said -?make sure the?power supply board is OK first, is that where LEDs are not lit?? I couldn't actually tell from your pictures whether the LEDs there were all lit or not (excellent though your pictures were!). The Stamanns in Germany can supply diagrams if you need these.? Every time I tackle an NSM, I vow "never again", so there is a real sense of achievment to be had?by getting it?up and running!? And in a weird sort of way, I actually find the Satellite quite attractive. Norman. ________________________________ From: Jeremy Agema To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wednesday, 15 April, 2009 1:03:31 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Satellite 200 followup Ok Rich, I just watched the video - very helpful. You have two apparent problems that I spotted. First, your displays are burnt out from being connected improperly (don't ask). The parts are easily available. Second, I belive your error is with the mech control circuit (errors when you try to get the mech moving). There is a red square button on the power supply board that is supposed to get the mech moving when pressed. Jeremy Agema From jtjalsma at home.nl Wed Apr 15 02:01:41 2009 From: jtjalsma at home.nl (Jurjen Tjalsma) Date: Wed Apr 15 02:03:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Selection problem AMI-H Message-ID: <49E5A275.5080702@home.nl> Hi all, I have taken apart, cleaned and reassembled an AMI-H pulse generator unit. The original disk (commutator plate) was completely worn so I had to replace it. Apart from resoldering the connections, I had to transfer the brass parts, as they aren't present on the new disk. I ordered it at Jukebox Revival .Obviously I did something wrong, because when I select A-6 it wil play A-7, B-6 gives B-7, C-6 gives C-7. So it plays the correct letter, but selecting a letter and the number 6 it will play 7... It will do so also for the number 16. Every selection with 16 will give 17. So A-16 gives A-17. All other selections are fine. A-7 gives A-7, A-17 gives A-17. Wiring seems ok, the wirecolorcodes are correct. Could this occur when the credit subsract switches are out of sync with the gearmotor? All pushbuttonbank switches are ok. I posted a picture here: pulse generator Any ideas? Thanks in advance, kind regards, Jurjen Tjalsma From jtjalsma at home.nl Wed Apr 15 02:06:33 2009 From: jtjalsma at home.nl (Jurjen Tjalsma) Date: Wed Apr 15 02:25:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Right link for pic Message-ID: <49E5A399.2040005@home.nl> Here's the correct link for the picture of the pulse generator: pulse generator Sorry for the wrong one... Jurjen From drjukebox at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 02:48:40 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Wed Apr 15 02:50:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Selection problem AMI-H In-Reply-To: <49E5A275.5080702@home.nl> References: <49E5A275.5080702@home.nl> Message-ID: <3154d3690904150248s730b2d22r8eb8bc71baeaa0f4@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jurjen, your ears are a good instrument to use here - listen to the number of pulses you get. I suspect the number pulses are correct, since you imply it will make all the other selections up to 20? Your problem is more likely in the pulse receiver. You can step the wipers by hand and see that they are centered on the segments. I think the number wiper is a little bit off and that is where your problem is. 6 and 16 are opposite each other, aren't they? You can watch the wiper action when you make a selection and see what is wrong. These AMIs are wonderful when they work right but can be a real pia to get working right, esp if someone has been there before and tinkered with all the adjustments. Then you long for the fool proof manual selection AMI. Jens On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Jurjen Tjalsma wrote: > Hi all, > > I have taken apart, cleaned and reassembled an AMI-H pulse generator unit. > The original disk (commutator plate) was completely worn so I had to replace > it. Apart from resoldering the connections, I had to transfer the brass > parts, as they aren't present on the new disk. I ordered it at Jukebox > Revival < > http://www.jukebox-revival.nl/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/60_84_203_257/products_id/4244> > .Obviously I did something wrong, because when I select A-6 it wil play A-7, > B-6 gives B-7, C-6 gives C-7. So it plays the correct letter, but selecting > a letter and the number 6 it will play 7... It will do so also for the > number 16. Every selection with 16 will give 17. So A-16 gives A-17. All > other selections are fine. A-7 gives A-7, A-17 gives A-17. Wiring seems > ok, the wirecolorcodes are correct. Could this occur when the credit > subsract switches are out of sync with the gearmotor? All pushbuttonbank > switches are ok. I posted a picture here: > > pulse generator < > http://members.home.nl/jtjalsma/Diversen/pulse_generator.jpg%3E> > > Any ideas? Thanks in advance, > > kind regards, Jurjen Tjalsma > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From Trollmasters at webtv.net Wed Apr 15 14:33:56 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Wed Apr 15 14:35:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Red Relay Message-ID: <13661-49E652C4-1212@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Anyone have a source for a plug-in red relay for a Wurlitzer model 3100? I think they were the same on a few other models. Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Apr 15 16:15:36 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Apr 15 16:17:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Red Relay Message-ID: <17444.87609.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> flippersdotcom--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 4/15/09, James McClave wrote: From: James McClave Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Red Relay To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 2:33 PM Anyone have a source for a plug-in red relay for a Wurlitzer model 3100? I think they were the same on a few other models. Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Trollmasters at webtv.net Wed Apr 15 18:32:32 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Wed Apr 15 18:34:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Red Relay In-Reply-To: Ron Rich 's message of Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <25879-49E68AB0-572@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Okay thanks Ron, I have one with an open coil. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From charlie.morgan at cox.net Wed Apr 15 22:32:24 2009 From: charlie.morgan at cox.net (Charlie Morgan) Date: Wed Apr 15 23:45:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB: Parts for Seeburg HF100R Message-ID: <1F445832C8FF413B878E53EC44DD24B0@CharliePC> I'm looking for the following parts for my Seeburg HF100R. Anyone have them for a decent price? left side cabinet glass nice set of selector buttons 100 end caps - nice set blue diffuser glass for above grill frosted diffuser glass for behind title board left side kickplate Email: charlie.morgan@cox.net From gibson510 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 16 03:56:34 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Thu Apr 16 03:58:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 222 additional selections problem Message-ID: Wanted to share my findings about the 222 that was giving additional selections. I installed a wire from the tormat ground bus, to the selection receiver and it works fine now. Plays only what is selected. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1b_explore_042009 From joe400f at shaw.ca Thu Apr 16 06:03:03 2009 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Thu Apr 16 06:06:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB: Parts for Seeburg HF100R In-Reply-To: <1F445832C8FF413B878E53EC44DD24B0@CharliePC> References: <1F445832C8FF413B878E53EC44DD24B0@CharliePC> Message-ID: Have you tried the usual used parts suppliers? www.jukeboxparts.com www.jukebox-parts.com All these parts are available new in reproduction. www.jukeboxusa.com www.victoryglass.com Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie Morgan Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009 1:44 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB: Parts for Seeburg HF100R To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > I'm looking for the following parts for my Seeburg HF100R. > Anyone have them for a decent price? > > left side cabinet glass > nice set of selector buttons > 100 end caps - nice set > blue diffuser glass for above grill > frosted diffuser glass for behind title board > left side kickplate > > Email: charlie.morgan@cox.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Thu Apr 16 06:20:50 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Thu Apr 16 06:22:34 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB: Parts for Seeburg HF100R Message-ID: <206112.55714.qm@web111508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> You can also try Vern Tisdale. HIs prices are VERY fair. --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] WTB: Parts for Seeburg HF100R To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 9:03 AM Have you tried the usual used parts suppliers? www.jukeboxparts.com www.jukebox-parts.com All these parts are available new in reproduction. www.jukeboxusa.com www.victoryglass.com Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie Morgan Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009 1:44 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB: Parts for Seeburg HF100R To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > I'm looking for the following parts for my Seeburg HF100R.? > Anyone have them for a decent price? > > left side cabinet glass > nice set of selector buttons > 100 end caps - nice set > blue diffuser glass for above grill > frosted diffuser glass for behind title board > left side kickplate > > Email:? charlie.morgan@cox.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... 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Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ From p.hagens at wxs.nl Thu Apr 16 06:51:44 2009 From: p.hagens at wxs.nl (Piet Hagens) Date: Thu Apr 16 06:58:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Red Relay In-Reply-To: <17444.87609.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <17444.87609.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301c9be9a$7aa8be90$6ffa3bb0$@hagens@wxs.nl> Hello, We also have them in stock : http://tinyurl.com/ttw5h Greetings, Piet -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Namens Ron Rich Verzonden: donderdag 16 april 2009 1:16 Aan: Jukebox mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Red Relay flippersdotcom--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 4/15/09, James McClave wrote: From: James McClave Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Red Relay To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 2:33 PM Anyone have a source for a plug-in red relay for a Wurlitzer model 3100? I think they were the same on a few other models. Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Apr 16 08:50:31 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Apr 16 08:53:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Red Relay Message-ID: <20090416.115031.24226.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: The 'ice cube" plug-in relays used in 60's wurlitzer jukeboxes are still being manufactured by the vendor. Relays with white or clear covers had 24 volt DC coils. The red cover relays had 24 volt AC coils. These are available with 2, 3 or 4 double pole switch contacts. Most of the versions in Wurl. jukes are the 4 pole versions--check first to see what you need. The relays are made by the Potter-Brumfield company and are sold through major industrial electronics parts distributors like Newark, MCM, Parts Express, Allied, etc. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! Shop now at www.ftd.com/16714 http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Dh4GRsAoQwanwmZiL1hGAMy6L5owVPSiQISI6pVv0UGlewzbGyV4L8iOZ0U/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Apr 16 08:52:56 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Apr 16 08:54:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 222 additional selections problem Message-ID: <637195.24473.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, If I were you, I would remove that wire NOW, as you have "by-passed" the 5 amp fuse on the mechanism. IMHO, NOT a good idea, as that fuse is there to protect the whole Tormat from being "blown"?!? To fix your problem, I suggest that you clean the "ring" on the RCA plug and jack, and the condition of the two center "pins" on the contact block, as well as the condition of the "silver" on the gnd bar.. Also check the grounding pin going thru the mechanism cable plug, as well as the grounding screw on the mechanism. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 4/16/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 222 additional selections problem To: "jukebox list" Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 3:56 AM Wanted to share my findings about the 222 that was giving additional selections. I installed a wire from the tormat ground bus, to the selection receiver and it works fine now. Plays only what is selected. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1b_explore_042009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Apr 16 09:02:41 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Apr 16 09:04:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Red Relay Message-ID: <959928.77965.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Gent's, The cover COLOR is not an indication of voltage of the coil, nor? does it indicate "AC" or "DC", on the relays produced today. The ORIGINAL Wurly relays were marked, as Jim said, and, it also has the Wurly number, along with the specs.,? on the originals-- Ron Rich --- On Thu, 4/16/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Red Relay To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 8:50 AM Gentlemen: The 'ice cube" plug-in relays used in 60's wurlitzer jukeboxes are still being manufactured by the vendor.? ? ? Relays with white or clear covers had 24 volt DC coils.? The red cover relays had 24 volt AC coils.? ? These are available with 2, 3 or 4 double pole switch contacts.? Most of the versions in Wurl. jukes are the 4 pole versions--check first to see what you need.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? The relays are made by the Potter-Brumfield company and are sold through major industrial electronics parts distributors like Newark, MCM,? Parts Express, Allied, etc. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! Shop now at www.ftd.com/16714 http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Dh4GRsAoQwanwmZiL1hGAMy6L5owVPSiQISI6pVv0UGlewzbGyV4L8iOZ0U/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Apr 16 09:05:05 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Apr 16 09:12:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 222 additional selections problem In-Reply-To: <637195.24473.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <637195.24473.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, I have a DS160 that is doing the same thing (giving extra random selections), but it only seems to happen occasionally. My problems started when I changed the selection button assembly in the juke. Do you think that it was coincidental to changing the selector buttons (and therefore I should try the recommendations listed below), OR should I look for the fault somewhere in the button assembly (say some contacts not closing properly)? Thanks in advance for your response. You always give great input to this list! Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 2009, April, 16 11:53 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 222 additional selections problem Rick, If I were you, I would remove that wire NOW, as you have "by-passed" the 5 amp fuse on the mechanism. IMHO, NOT a good idea, as that fuse is there to protect the whole Tormat from being "blown"?! To fix your problem, I suggest that you clean the "ring" on the RCA plug and jack, and the condition of the two center "pins" on the contact block, as well as the condition of the "silver" on the gnd bar.. Also check the grounding pin going thru the mechanism cable plug, as well as the grounding screw on the mechanism. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 4/16/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 222 additional selections problem To: "jukebox list" Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 3:56 AM Wanted to share my findings about the 222 that was giving additional selections. I installed a wire from the tormat ground bus, to the selection receiver and it works fine now. Plays only what is selected. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live(tm): Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1b_explore_042009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From jrutoskey at yahoo.com Thu Apr 16 12:15:58 2009 From: jrutoskey at yahoo.com (Automatic Music) Date: Thu Apr 16 12:24:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Plating and Polishing of Metal Parts Message-ID: <311450.10878.qm@web110806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Many parts on jukeboxes were never meant to be plated. The lid glass frame on 50's Seeburgs immediately comes to mind. When this is done the machine immediately takes on a garish, non-authentic and cheap?look. Aluminum and pot metal can both be buffed and polished to a high shine. One?contributor here was lamenting that the neck for his AMI Continental couldn't take chrome plating. Was it chromed originally? I don't know. If it wasn't, I'm sure it was highly polished and then lacquered to make it retain?its shine. If you don't care to or are not equipped to do this work yourself, Griffin Plating in Chicago will do it for you. They are a fantastic plater and metal polishing company and I've used them for years. Call them at 773-342-5181 and talk to Tom Griffin. When you get the parts back, wipe them down with lacquer thinner and spray them with a few light coats of Nicolas Lacquer. It is a genuine lacquer used to finish professional brass musical instrument horns and there is no other product on the market like it. It is the only lacquer used by true professionals. Call them at 800-FINISH-1and order a case of it in their aerosol cans. From jrutoskey at yahoo.com Thu Apr 16 12:53:25 2009 From: jrutoskey at yahoo.com (Automatic Music) Date: Thu Apr 16 12:55:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Mechanism covers Message-ID: <313266.42365.qm@web110816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> If you have the better style reproduction emblem that is actually embossed you can paint the reverse side yourself very carefully after?SLOWLY shaping it to the exact curve of your mech cover with a heat gun. The silvering can be replaced with a new product-- Krylon brand Looking Glass Paint available on their website. It replicates the mirror silvering on the back of the plastic as original. The finished emblem can be fitted to the cover with Liquid Nails if you want the look of the earlier production mechanism covers or if you don't have the correct looking design of finishing studs to screw it on. ? As another contributor said previously, the mechanism cover for the HF100R was light blue and was never originally painted. If you have a green one, it was either painted green, the color has shifted with age, or it has been painted at some time. If it truly is green color through and through, you probably have a cover from a Seeburg model L100. A look on the inside of?the cover will tell the story. ? John D. Rutoskey Automatic Music Machines Baltimore, Maryland From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Apr 16 13:11:55 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Apr 16 13:13:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 222 additional selections problem Message-ID: <487683.68819.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mike, The key word here is "random". If you phono is also "random" then the answer is yes. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 222 additional selections problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 9:05 AM Ron, I have a DS160? that is doing the same thing (giving extra random selections), but it only seems to happen occasionally. My problems started when I changed the selection button assembly in the juke. Do you think that it was coincidental to changing the selector buttons (and therefore I should try the recommendations listed below), OR should I look for the fault somewhere in the button assembly (say some contacts not closing properly)? Thanks in advance for your response. You always give great input to this list! Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 2009, April, 16 11:53 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 222 additional selections problem Rick, If I were you, I would remove that wire NOW, as you have "by-passed" the 5 amp fuse on the mechanism. IMHO, NOT a good idea, as that fuse is there to protect the whole Tormat from being "blown"?! To fix your problem, I suggest that you clean the "ring" on the RCA plug and jack, and the condition of the two center "pins" on the contact block, as well as the condition of the "silver" on the gnd bar.. Also check the grounding pin going thru the mechanism cable plug, as well as the grounding screw on the mechanism. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 4/16/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 222 additional selections problem To: "jukebox list" Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 3:56 AM Wanted to share my findings about the 222 that was giving additional selections. I installed a wire from the tormat ground bus, to the selection receiver and it works fine now. Plays only what is selected. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live(tm): Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1b_explore_042009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately.? 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Yes, I tried those, but I said "a decent price", those new repro parts are exepnsive! :)CharlieHave you tried the usual used parts suppliers? www.jukeboxparts.com www.jukebox-parts.com All these parts are available new in reproduction. www.jukeboxusa.com www.victoryglass.com Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie Morgan Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009 1:44 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB: Parts for Seeburg HF100R To: jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com > I'm looking for the following parts for my Seeburg HF100R. > Anyone have them for a decent price? > > left side cabinet glass > nice set of selector buttons > 100 end caps - nice set > blue diffuser glass for above grill > frosted diffuser glass for behind title board > left side kickplate > > Email: charlie.morgan at cox.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From edbap at aol.com Thu Apr 16 16:33:11 2009 From: edbap at aol.com (Ed Baptista) Date: Thu Apr 16 16:39:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Mechanism covers In-Reply-To: <313266.42365.qm@web110816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <313266.42365.qm@web110816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB8D02D70533AA-1378-2444@webmail-mh16.sysops.aol.com> I think every original mech cover I have seen for the Seeburg HF100 R has a crack on the top.? Anyone agree?? I have had the pleasure of find 3 very very original machines in my days, and all 3 had small hairline crack on top.? I still have one, and it has a hairline crack, I won't do anything about, but I think maybe they all have it! -----Original Message----- From: Automatic Music To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:53 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R Mechanism covers If you have the better style reproduction emblem that is actually embossed you can paint the reverse side yourself very carefully after?SLOWLY shaping it to the exact curve of your mech cover with a heat gun. The silvering can be replaced with a new product-- Krylon brand Looking Glass Paint available on their website. It replicates the mirror silvering on the back of the plastic as original. The finished emblem can be fitted to the cover with Liquid Nails if you want the look of the earlier production mechanism covers or if you don't have the correct looking design of finishing studs to screw it on. ? As another contributor said previously, the mechanism cover for the HF100R was light blue and was never originally painted. If you have a green one, it was either painted green, the color has shifted with age, or it has been painted at some time. If it truly is green color through and through, you probably have a cover from a Seeburg model L100. A look on the inside of?the cover will tell the story. ? John D. Rutoskey Automatic Music Machines Baltimore, Maryland _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Fri Apr 17 04:45:45 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Fri Apr 17 04:48:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Plating and Polishing of Metal Parts References: <311450.10878.qm@web110806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14CEB1E90C4541C0ACB0ABAE274AB658@Graeme> The neck on the AMI Continental is made of pot metal and is chrome. When I obtained this one it was chrome but flaking round the edges. Thanks for the recommendation for a good platter. Unfortunately I am in Australia, Chicago is a little far away. Thanks. My platter is has polished it to a mirror like finish for me. They said that now and again they get things that will not plate. I have used this company for years with excellent results. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Automatic Music" To: Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:15 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Plating and Polishing of Metal Parts Many parts on jukeboxes were never meant to be plated. The lid glass frame on 50's Seeburgs immediately comes to mind. When this is done the machine immediately takes on a garish, non-authentic and cheap look. Aluminum and pot metal can both be buffed and polished to a high shine. One contributor here was lamenting that the neck for his AMI Continental couldn't take chrome plating. Was it chromed originally? I don't know. If it wasn't, I'm sure it was highly polished and then lacquered to make it retain its shine. If you don't care to or are not equipped to do this work yourself, Griffin Plating in Chicago will do it for you. They are a fantastic plater and metal polishing company and I've used them for years. Call them at 773-342-5181 and talk to Tom Griffin. When you get the parts back, wipe them down with lacquer thinner and spray them with a few light coats of Nicolas Lacquer. It is a genuine lacquer used to finish professional brass musical instrument horns and there is no other product on the market like it. It is the only lacquer used by true professionals. Call them at 800-FINISH-1and order a case of it in their aerosol cans. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From p.hagens at wxs.nl Fri Apr 17 09:45:58 2009 From: p.hagens at wxs.nl (Piet Hagens) Date: Fri Apr 17 09:47:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts for AMI - K In-Reply-To: <17444.87609.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <17444.87609.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c9bf7b$fc15f5b0$f441e110$@hagens@wxs.nl> Hello, I'm looking for a few parts for my AMI-K: Parts L-2230 and L-2229 Deck panel and trim assembly (LH + RH) Part H-3006 Grille trim liner RH Here are the links to the pictures from the parts manual so you can see what I need. http://www.jukebox-revival.nl/K1.pdf and http://www.jukebox-revival.nl/K2.pdf If anybody can help me with these please contact me Piet Hagens p.hagens@wxs.nl From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Apr 17 10:12:03 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Apr 17 10:13:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts for AMI - K Message-ID: <239246.54544.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Wish I could help you because I have an AMI model K and a few extra bits but not those parts. I know I have some chrome for the top and also a plastic bit that goes inside the top. --- On Fri, 4/17/09, Piet Hagens wrote: From: Piet Hagens Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts for AMI - K To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Received: Friday, April 17, 2009, 12:45 PM Hello, I'm looking for a few parts for my AMI-K: Parts L-2230 and L-2229? Deck panel and trim assembly (LH + RH) Part H-3006 Grille trim liner RH Here are the links to the pictures from the parts manual so you can see what I need. http://www.jukebox-revival.nl/K1.pdf and http://www.jukebox-revival.nl/K2.pdf If anybody can help me with these please contact me Piet Hagens p.hagens@wxs.nl _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca From jrutoskey at yahoo.com Fri Apr 17 13:41:12 2009 From: jrutoskey at yahoo.com (Automatic Music) Date: Fri Apr 17 13:42:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg HF100R mechanism Covers Message-ID: <387535.40517.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have only seen a couple Seeburg HF100R and later box-style mechanism covers without the crack on top. It doesn't bother me at all, as long as the rest of the cover is nice! The crack is the result of two factors: a poor design by Seeburg, and heavy-handed technicians that tighten this screw too much. You should only use your thumbnail to put this screw in. ? One thing as a side note, I never understood why Seeburgs used that rubber grommet?on the left side screw on the mechanism covers starting?with?the 1958 models. Anyone know? From jrutoskey at yahoo.com Fri Apr 17 14:37:49 2009 From: jrutoskey at yahoo.com (Automatic Music) Date: Fri Apr 17 14:39:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg USC-1 Glass Message-ID: <817508.5033.qm@web110813.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Is anyone reproducing the entire glass set for the Seeburg USC-1 Musical Bandshell? Victory Glass only shows the upper left and right control panel glasses in their catalog. ? If no one is making these, how many people would be potentially interested in a set if I designed them? I imagine that they would be a bit expensive to produce?though, and?I invite any thoughts on this. ? John D. Rutoskey Automatic Music Machines Baltimore, Maryland From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Apr 17 19:36:35 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Apr 17 19:38:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg USC-1 Glass Message-ID: <952907.51029.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, I don't think anyone is---would you repro all 5 parts, or just the glass ? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 4/17/09, Automatic Music wrote: From: Automatic Music Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg USC-1 Glass To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 2:37 PM Is anyone reproducing the entire glass set for the Seeburg USC-1 Musical Bandshell? Victory Glass only shows the upper left and right control panel glasses in their catalog. ? If no one is making these, how many people would be potentially interested in a set if I designed them? I imagine that they would be a bit expensive to produce?though, and?I invite any thoughts on this. ? John D. Rutoskey Automatic Music Machines Baltimore, Maryland _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Apr 17 19:57:32 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Apr 17 19:59:06 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? Message-ID: <515815.53017.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Does anyone knw what the VC pot value for an AMi "DD" amp should be? TIA, Ron Rich From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Apr 18 03:46:51 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Apr 18 03:48:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg USC-1 Glass In-Reply-To: <817508.5033.qm@web110813.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <817508.5033.qm@web110813.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c9c012$fba1d080$f2e57180$@force9.co.uk> Hi John. I am in the UK and would buy an USC-1 if I knew I could get new glasses for it. I have never seen decent ones over here. I did the same with Sunstar glasses 10 years ago. Cost a lot of $ to have one set made up, but considerably less for a quantity. I couldn't get anyone interested though, so only my own set was made in the end. No regrets though, they were perfect as the original. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Automatic Music Sent: 17 April 2009 22:38 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg USC-1 Glass Is anyone reproducing the entire glass set for the Seeburg USC-1 Musical Bandshell? Victory Glass only shows the upper left and right control panel glasses in their catalog. ? If no one is making these, how many people would be potentially interested in a set if I designed them? I imagine that they would be a bit expensive to produce?though, and?I invite any thoughts on this. ? John D. Rutoskey Automatic Music Machines Baltimore, Maryland _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From lavin at cheqnet.net Sat Apr 18 12:03:38 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sat Apr 18 12:04:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? References: <515815.53017.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: HI Ron, 50 K if I remember correctly, I will look for the schematic to be sure, but I do know that the later amps are 50K E,F,G etc.. had to replace one a few years back. I think I may even have a spare laying around somewhere.... Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? > Hi All, > Does anyone knw what the VC pot value for an AMi "DD" amp should be? TIA, > Ron Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2065 - Release Date: 04/17/09 17:52:00 From lavin at cheqnet.net Sat Apr 18 12:04:41 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sat Apr 18 12:05:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? References: <515815.53017.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96376A3306B14E0DB1C15B8D38035D16@dennis1cb9fd78> come to think of it, I have a DD amp also, could dig it up and take a reading for you too. Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? > Hi All, > Does anyone knw what the VC pot value for an AMi "DD" amp should be? TIA, > Ron Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2065 - Release Date: 04/17/09 17:52:00 From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sat Apr 18 14:02:13 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sat Apr 18 14:17:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts for AMI - K References: <17444.87609.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <000701c9bf7b$fc15f5b0$f441e110$@hagens@wxs.nl> Message-ID: <73F362D61CB545948E7CAA3D1381E635@Graeme> G'day Piet, I have Part H-3006 Grill trim liner RH It is in excellent condition. I have bead blasted it and it has been primed with zinc paint ready for finishing coat of black paint.. There is no pitting or dents. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piet Hagens" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:45 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts for AMI - K > Hello, > > I'm looking for a few parts for my AMI-K: > > Parts L-2230 and L-2229 Deck panel and trim assembly (LH + RH) > > Part H-3006 Grille trim liner RH > > Here are the links to the pictures from the parts manual so you can see > what > I need. > > http://www.jukebox-revival.nl/K1.pdf > > and > > http://www.jukebox-revival.nl/K2.pdf > > > If anybody can help me with these please contact me > > Piet Hagens > p.hagens@wxs.nl > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bobe at halted.com Sat Apr 18 10:29:39 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob E.) Date: Sat Apr 18 14:20:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? In-Reply-To: <515815.53017.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <515815.53017.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49EA0E03.9060906@halted.com> Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > Does anyone knw what the VC pot value for an AMi "DD" amp should be? Well, I have my manuals & schematics filed by the phono model number, not amp designation...which AMI used the "DD"? --Bob From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Sat Apr 18 14:45:11 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Sat Apr 18 14:46:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts for AMI - K Message-ID: <14637.36680.qm@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> There you go! Great stuff! Now I have a question. Would you have the coloured defuser for an AMI Model K? and also the Stereo amp and Preamp for an AMI model K.. I know its the same as that AMI continental 2. Lastly the coin door and the coin mech. ? Regards Tony --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Graeme Harvey wrote: From: Graeme Harvey Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Parts for AMI - K To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 5:02 PM G'day Piet, I have Part H-3006 Grill trim liner RH It is in excellent condition.???I have bead blasted it and it has been primed with zinc paint ready for finishing coat of black paint..? ? There is no pitting or dents. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piet Hagens" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:45 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts for AMI - K > Hello, > > I'm looking for a few parts for my AMI-K: > > Parts L-2230 and L-2229? Deck panel and trim assembly (LH + RH) > > Part H-3006 Grille trim liner RH > > Here are the links to the pictures from the parts manual so you can see > what > I need. > > http://www.jukebox-revival.nl/K1.pdf > > and > > http://www.jukebox-revival.nl/K2.pdf > > > If anybody can help me with these please contact me > > Piet Hagens > p.hagens@wxs.nl > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ From lavin at cheqnet.net Sat Apr 18 15:11:44 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sat Apr 18 15:12:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? References: <515815.53017.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <49EA0E03.9060906@halted.com> Message-ID: OK, I had to pull my E120 out and look. It has the "DD" amp, volume pot should be 35K ohm's. AMI models E also list's the amps as : R-111 (78's), R-105 (45's) I think I still have a "CC" amp in the shop somewhere too,(looks just like the :DD:) , probably from a D series juke ? The D seiries used a 50K ohm volume control for some reason..dont really know why as the amps look almost the same otherwise. Then all of the R-145 amps ( F-G-H-I-Jmono) amps used the 35K control. whew, I think I am right now.... :-) Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob E." To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? > Ron Rich wrote: >> Hi All, >> Does anyone knw what the VC pot value for an AMi "DD" amp should be? > > Well, I have my manuals & schematics filed by the phono model number, > not amp designation...which AMI used the "DD"? > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2066 - Release Date: 04/18/09 09:55:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Apr 18 15:22:12 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Apr 18 15:23:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? Message-ID: <429527.9879.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, The? "DD" was used in the "D"--of course !! (TIA !)??? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Bob E. wrote: From: Bob E. Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 10:29 AM Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > Does anyone knw what the VC pot value for an AMi "DD" amp should be? Well, I have my manuals & schematics filed by the phono model number, not amp designation...which AMI used the "DD"? --Bob _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Apr 18 15:24:58 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (ronnnrich@yahoo.com) Date: Sat Apr 18 15:26:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? Message-ID: <116189.20647.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Does anyone know the value?ofthe pot that was used with an???AMi "DD" amp? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Apr 18 15:27:54 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Apr 18 15:29:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? Message-ID: <39009.75296.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks, Dennis--Ron Rich --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Dennis and Sue wrote: From: Dennis and Sue Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 12:03 PM HI Ron,???50 K? if I remember correctly,? I will look for the schematic to be sure, but I do know that the later amps are 50K E,F,G etc..? had to replace one a few years back.? I think I may even have a spare laying around somewhere.... Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? > Hi All, > Does anyone knw what the VC pot value for an AMi "DD" amp should be? TIA, Ron Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2065 - Release Date: 04/17/09 17:52:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Apr 18 15:30:32 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Apr 18 15:32:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? Message-ID: <487402.83897.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Den, That would be great--but remember, the VC is not on the amp--nor is it in my copy of the schematic--Ron Rich --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Dennis and Sue wrote: From: Dennis and Sue Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 12:04 PM come to think of it, I have a DD amp also, could dig it up and take a reading for you too. Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? > Hi All, > Does anyone knw what the VC pot value for an AMi "DD" amp should be? TIA, Ron Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2065 - Release Date: 04/17/09 17:52:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From lavin at cheqnet.net Sat Apr 18 15:43:43 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sat Apr 18 15:44:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? References: <487402.83897.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, I know, I have one for my E120, I will have to dig it up, its for the E120 but I have it gutted out at the moment. It still only used 2 wires, goes to the term board on the side of the amp. I think if you dont have a 35K, that a 50K would probably work Ok......wont hurt to try one. Dennis. I WILL find it and let you know. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? > Den, > That would be great--but remember, the VC is not on the amp--nor is it in > my copy of the schematic--Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Dennis and Sue wrote: > > > From: Dennis and Sue > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 12:04 PM > > > come to think of it, I have a DD amp also, could dig it up and take a > reading for you too. > > Dennis. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:57 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? > > >> Hi All, >> Does anyone knw what the VC pot value for an AMi "DD" amp should be? 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2066 - Release Date: 04/18/09 09:55:00 From lavin at cheqnet.net Sat Apr 18 17:31:55 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sat Apr 18 17:33:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? References: <487402.83897.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: OK,I found it in the manual, volume control is 0-35,000 ohms, Part number H-235 (code 54 in the manual). Used with both amps-78 or 45 model's. Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? > Den, > That would be great--but remember, the VC is not on the amp--nor is it in > my copy of the schematic--Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Dennis and Sue wrote: > > > From: Dennis and Sue > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 12:04 PM > > > come to think of it, I have a DD amp also, could dig it up and take a > reading for you too. > > Dennis. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:57 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? > > >> Hi All, >> Does anyone knw what the VC pot value for an AMi "DD" amp should be? 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2066 - Release Date: 04/18/09 09:55:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Apr 18 18:46:39 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Apr 18 18:48:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? Message-ID: <576469.97298.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dennis--many thanks--Ron Rich --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Dennis and Sue wrote: From: Dennis and Sue Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 5:31 PM OK,I? found it in the manual, volume control is 0-35,000 ohms, Part number H-235? (code 54 in the manual). Used with both amps-78? or 45 model's. Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? > Den, > That would be great--but remember, the VC is not on the amp--nor is it in > my copy of the schematic--Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Dennis and Sue wrote: > > > From: Dennis and Sue > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 12:04 PM > > > come to think of it, I have a DD amp also, could dig it up and take a > reading for you too. > > Dennis. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:57 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? > > >> Hi All, >> Does anyone knw what the VC pot value for an AMi "DD" amp should be? 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2066 - Release Date: 04/18/09 09:55:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From p.hagens at wxs.nl Sat Apr 18 23:59:59 2009 From: p.hagens at wxs.nl (Piet Hagens) Date: Sun Apr 19 00:02:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts for AMI - K In-Reply-To: <14637.36680.qm@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <14637.36680.qm@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004401c9c0bc$74316a70$5c943f50$@hagens@wxs.nl> Hello, I think I might have the amp. Contact me off list at p.hagens@wxs.nl Greetings, Piet -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Namens Lala Blah Blah Verzonden: zaterdag 18 april 2009 23:45 Aan: Graeme Harvey; Jukebox mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [Jukebox-list] Parts for AMI - K There you go! Great stuff! Now I have a question. Would you have the coloured defuser for an AMI Model K? and also the Stereo amp and Preamp for an AMI model K.. I know its the same as that AMI continental 2. Lastly the coin door and the coin mech. ? Regards Tony --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Graeme Harvey wrote: From: Graeme Harvey Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Parts for AMI - K To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 5:02 PM G'day Piet, I have Part H-3006 Grill trim liner RH It is in excellent condition.???I have bead blasted it and it has been primed with zinc paint ready for finishing coat of black paint..? ? There is no pitting or dents. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piet Hagens" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:45 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts for AMI - K > Hello, > > I'm looking for a few parts for my AMI-K: > > Parts L-2230 and L-2229? Deck panel and trim assembly (LH + RH) > > Part H-3006 Grille trim liner RH > > Here are the links to the pictures from the parts manual so you can see > what > I need. > > http://www.jukebox-revival.nl/K1.pdf > > and > > http://www.jukebox-revival.nl/K2.pdf > > > If anybody can help me with these please contact me > > Piet Hagens > p.hagens@wxs.nl > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From lavin at cheqnet.net Sun Apr 19 08:04:21 2009 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Dennis and Sue) Date: Sun Apr 19 08:05:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? References: <576469.97298.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6A0078DB03634B04BE60AFEF81EAEC40@dennis1cb9fd78> Your welcom Rich, just took me a while to find it, Ha Ha. (Wer'e remodiling, everything is all over the place) Dennis. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? > Dennis--many thanks--Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Dennis and Sue wrote: > > > From: Dennis and Sue > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 5:31 PM > > > OK,I found it in the manual, volume control is 0-35,000 ohms, Part number > H-235 (code 54 in the manual). > > Used with both amps-78 or 45 model's. > > Dennis. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? > > >> Den, >> That would be great--but remember, the VC is not on the amp--nor is it in >> my copy of the schematic--Ron Rich >> >> --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Dennis and Sue wrote: >> >> >> From: Dennis and Sue >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 12:04 PM >> >> >> come to think of it, I have a DD amp also, could dig it up and take a >> reading for you too. >> >> Dennis. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:57 PM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? >> >> >>> Hi All, >>> Does anyone knw what the VC pot value for an AMi "DD" amp should be? >>> TIA, >>> Ron Rich >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2065 - Release Date: 04/17/09 >> 17:52:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2066 - Release Date: 04/18/09 > 09:55:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2066 - Release Date: 04/18/09 09:55:00 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Apr 19 09:19:25 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Apr 19 09:21:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes Save the Record Industry Message-ID: <813091.85837.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here is a fascinating article I came across this week. It's from the September 4, 1939 issue of Time magazine: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,762553,00.html It describes how, with the advent of radio, the record industry was on the ropes in the early 30s, but the industry was saved by two things: The advent of Decca, which shook up the complacency of Victor and Columbia, and (care to guess?) the ascendancy of the jukebox. One of the most appealing things both offered was (and this is entirely relevant to the situation the music industry finds itself in today) access to music for less money. Decca slashed to cost of an individual record to 35 cents, and jukeboxes allowed a listener to "rent" a recording for a nickel. Simple rule of economics - if something is cheaper, people will buy more. But here's the kicker: "Once the upswing had its initial bounce, other factors kept it moving. Most important of these was the popularity of the slot machine or "juke box" which retailed melody in small barrooms, lunch- counters and dance joints at 5? a shot. With an estimated consumption rate of more than 30,000,000 discs annually, the 300,000 juke boxes in the U. S. are today the record industry's largest customer." Look at that second number: 300,000. That's one jukebox for every 500 people in the US. And finally, a reminder of the importance of record company A&R folks being given a free hand to recruit new talent, from the November 27, 1939 issue of Time: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,762896,00.html "Glenn Miller attributes his [rapid rise to stardom in less than a year] to the "juke box." which retails recorded music at 5? a shot in bars, restaurants and small roadside dance joints, and has become the record industry's biggest customer (TIME, Sept. 4). Of the twelve to 24 discs in each of today's 300,000 U. S. juke boxes, from two to six are usually Glenn Miller's." I just thought folks here would find this interesting. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From alex at eyeballrecords.com Sun Apr 19 09:50:00 2009 From: alex at eyeballrecords.com (alex saavedra) Date: Sun Apr 19 09:57:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes Save the Record Industry In-Reply-To: <813091.85837.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <813091.85837.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <25A4A753-2ADE-47B6-8668-F128ADDD8CD2@eyeballrecords.com> that is a great piece. thank you very much for sharing it. -a On Apr 19, 2009, at 12:19 PM, David Breneman wrote: > > > Here is a fascinating article I came across this week. > It's from the September 4, 1939 issue of Time magazine: > > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,762553,00.html > > It describes how, with the advent of radio, the record > industry was on the ropes in the early 30s, but the > industry was saved by two things: The advent of > Decca, which shook up the complacency of Victor and > Columbia, and (care to guess?) the ascendancy of the > jukebox. One of the most appealing things both offered > was (and this is entirely relevant to the situation the > music industry finds itself in today) access to music > for less money. Decca slashed to cost of an individual > record to 35 cents, and jukeboxes allowed a listener > to "rent" a recording for a nickel. Simple rule of > economics - if something is cheaper, people will buy > more. > > But here's the kicker: > > "Once the upswing had its initial bounce, other > factors kept it moving. Most important of these was > the popularity of the slot machine or "juke box" > which retailed melody in small barrooms, lunch- > counters and dance joints at 5? a shot. With an > estimated consumption rate of more than 30,000,000 > discs annually, the 300,000 juke boxes in the U. S. > are today the record industry's largest customer." > > Look at that second number: 300,000. That's one > jukebox for every 500 people in the US. And > finally, a reminder of the importance of record > company A&R folks being given a free hand to > recruit new talent, from the November 27, 1939 > issue of Time: > > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,762896,00.html > > "Glenn Miller attributes his [rapid rise to stardom > in less than a year] to the "juke box." which retails > recorded music at 5? a shot in bars, restaurants and > small roadside dance joints, and has become the > record industry's biggest customer (TIME, Sept. 4). > Of the twelve to 24 discs in each of today's 300,000 > U. S. juke boxes, from two to six are usually Glenn > Miller's." > > I just thought folks here would find this interesting. > > > David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list alex saavedra - w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 eyeballl records, 350 Ramapo Valley Rd - Suite 18-102, Oakland, NJ 07436 http://www.eyeballrecords.com // http://www.wearepapertiger.com eyeball records | el presidente paper tiger llc | janitor w 201.447.4472 | f 201.221.8044 P please consider the damn environment before printing this e-mail This electronic message transmission, which includes this e-mail message and any attachments, is confidential, for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged information or work product. 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From jay at west.net Sun Apr 19 10:43:51 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Apr 19 10:45:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes Save the Record Industry In-Reply-To: <813091.85837.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <813091.85837.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49EB62D7.9030909@west.net> David Breneman wrote: > > Here is a fascinating article I came across this week. > It's from the September 4, 1939 issue of Time magazine: > > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,762553,00.html I believe there's an error in the last paragraph of that article. It states that the phonograph was "Originally 'perfected' in 1882 by Alexander Graham Bell". Edison invented the cylinder phonograph in 1877, and disks were the invention of Emile Berliner about ten years later. Chichester Bell, Alexander's cousin, made some improvements to the cylinder phonograph but I don't believe that A. G. Bell was involved. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Apr 19 12:20:00 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Apr 19 12:21:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes Save the Record Industry Message-ID: <161030.95277.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 4/19/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Chichester Bell, Alexander's cousin, made some improvements > to the cylinder phonograph but I don't believe that A. G. > Bell was involved. You're right. Chichester Bell and Charles Sumner Tainter developed the Graphophone, which recorded on a wax-coated cardboard tube. That record was permanent, whereas Edison's tinfoil record never survived removal from the machine it was recorded on. AG Bell, as I understand it, may have given his cousin a little advice or encouragement, but that was the extent of his involvement. I'd guess that the author of the Time article read some mention of the "Bell-Tainter Graphophone" and inferred too much. It's interesting to note that it was Bell and Tainter's "messing with his baby" that got Edison re-interested in Phonograph development (after working many years on the electric light) and as a result, he developed the "modern" cylinder Phonograph with its solid-wax record which could be shaved down and re-recorded. Edison's improved machine, however, still relied on Bell and Tainter's patent for *cutting* (rather than imbossing) a modulated groove, and this resulted in the patent pool between the Phonograph and Graphophone interests that established the first standard for what we now call "home electronics" (if you don't count the player piano). Berliner also ran afoul of this patent, and as a result, the Columbia Graphophone Company enjoyed patent cross-licensing with both Edison and Berliner. Columbia produced disk and cylinder records for many years, although Edison continued to produce cylinders until very late into the 1920s. From s.cummings at comcast.net Sun Apr 19 13:08:22 2009 From: s.cummings at comcast.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Sun Apr 19 13:26:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rebuilding Seeburg A Mech Message-ID: <15915718-1240171709-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1110260972-@bxe1086.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Anyone have a recommendation (or maybe you do them yourself) for someone to rebuild a Seeburg A Mech? Not a disaster, was working when last used, approx 20 years ago, and kept in great storage since. Needs a complete cleaning and all functions checked, tuned-up. A lot of folks won't touch it because it's an A. If it matters, mech was converted to 45rpm and for the time being I want to keep it that way. Thanks everyone! From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Apr 19 15:50:08 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Apr 19 15:51:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes Save the Record Industry Message-ID: <641704.37231.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dave, Kool--thanks, Ron Rich --- On Sun, 4/19/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes Save the Record Industry To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 9:19 AM Here is a fascinating article I came across this week. It's from the September 4, 1939 issue of Time magazine: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,762553,00.html It describes how, with the advent of radio, the record industry was on the ropes in the early 30s, but the industry was saved by two things:? The advent of Decca, which shook up the complacency of Victor and Columbia, and (care to guess?) the ascendancy of the jukebox.? One of the most appealing things both offered was (and this is entirely relevant to the situation the music industry finds itself in today) access to music for less money.? Decca slashed to cost of an individual record to 35 cents, and jukeboxes allowed a listener to "rent" a recording for a nickel.? Simple rule of economics - if something is cheaper, people will buy more. But here's the kicker:? "Once the upswing had its initial bounce, other factors kept it moving. Most important of these was the popularity of the slot machine or "juke box" which retailed melody in small barrooms, lunch- counters and dance joints at 5? a shot. With an estimated consumption rate of more than 30,000,000 discs annually, the 300,000 juke boxes in the U. S. are today the record industry's largest customer." Look at that second number: 300,000.? That's one jukebox for every 500 people in the US.? And finally, a reminder of the importance of record company A&R folks being given a free hand to recruit new talent, from the November 27, 1939 issue of Time: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,762896,00.html "Glenn Miller attributes his [rapid rise to stardom in less than a year] to the "juke box." which retails recorded music at 5? a shot in bars, restaurants and small roadside dance joints, and has become the record industry's biggest customer (TIME, Sept. 4). Of the twelve to 24 discs in each of today's 300,000 U. S. juke boxes, from two to six are usually Glenn Miller's." I just thought folks here would find this interesting. David Breneman? ? ? ???david_breneman@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sun Apr 19 18:10:02 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Apr 19 18:11:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes Save the Record Industry In-Reply-To: <161030.95277.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <161030.95277.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49EBCB6A.2090304@west.net> David Breneman wrote: > Edison's > improved machine, however, still relied on Bell and > Tainter's patent for *cutting* (rather than imbossing) a > modulated groove, and this resulted in the patent pool > between the Phonograph and Graphophone interests that > established the first standard for what we now call > "home electronics" (if you don't count the player piano). Well, the player piano of that era wasn't electronic. For that matter, neither was the phonograph/graphophone/gramophone. Strictly mechanical and in the case of the player piano pneumatic. And not too much of a standard for a while. Cylinders gave way to disks with a speed of very roughly 78 RPM, typically between 70 and 80, but even the disks weren't standardized. Edison's thick "Diamond" disks were hill-and-dale, others side-to-side. The AM radio was probably the beginning of home electronics, followed by electric phono reproducers (cartridges) and motorized turntables. The motorized record turntables came about the same time as US power line frequency was standardized at 60 Hertz. This led to the standard record speed of 78.26 RPM. Some of the early Wurlitzer diagrams show schemes for dealing with 25-CPS power lines and even DC power. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Apr 19 18:24:10 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Apr 19 18:25:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes Save the Record Industry Message-ID: <333801.36973.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 4/19/09, Jay Hennigan wrote: > David Breneman wrote: > > ... and this resulted in the patent pool > > between the Phonograph and Graphophone interests that > > established the first standard for what we now call > > "home electronics" (if you don't count the player > > piano). > > Well, the player piano of that era wasn't electronic. > For that matter, neither was the > phonograph/graphophone/gramophone. Strictly mechanical > and in the case of the player piano pneumatic. Egro my use of the clause "what we now call". From Alan-hood at datex.co.uk Mon Apr 20 01:38:55 2009 From: Alan-hood at datex.co.uk (Alan-hood@datex.co.uk) Date: Mon Apr 20 01:32:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi "DD" Amp ? Message-ID: <655B3C747F0C0641901676E8D84957A0012916@NTPDC1> Hi Ron, With regards to the DD amp, sorry I do not have a manual for this. I can tell you that the Model E jukebox that used the R-111 and R-105 used a 35K control on both amplifiers. I hope that helps. Regards Alan Hood ami-man UK ____________________________________________________________________ DISCLAIMER The information and any attachment with this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please notify the sender and delete the message immediately. 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There were a number of inventors involved for the various accompanying technologies (i.e. radio wave transmission/reception, audio recording, sound with film,etc) that all emerged (or were being improved) around this time. It was around this era that recording on disk went from being an acoustical process to an electronic one. This is just my 50-cent description,that I'm adding to the discussion. I'm sure that more detailed, accurate histories are available from others in the forum or from reference sources. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Keep the bad stuff out and the good stuff in with a new hot tub cover. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTmpH0jtP4YRUbNKpoTsAcbcQ6DnilRUtNrRbXe3xW3AEPwQVJ28Y/ From pinball at telus.net Mon Apr 20 10:27:35 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Apr 20 10:29:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes Save the Record Industry In-Reply-To: <20090420.125814.13189.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090420.125814.13189.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <49ECB087.4020303@telus.net> James Alexander wrote: > > Gentlemen: > I'm of the understanding that audio electronics got it's start when Lee DeForest invented the vacuum tube circa 1927 and that (among) the first applications for electronic amplification were use with radio signals and motion picture sound for audiences. > There were a number of inventors involved for the various accompanying technologies (i.e. radio wave transmission/reception, audio recording, sound with film,etc) that all emerged (or were being improved) around this time. It was around this era that recording on disk went from being an acoustical process to an electronic one. > This is just my 50-cent description,that I'm adding to the discussion. I'm sure that more detailed, accurate histories are available from others in the forum or from reference sources. > Jim Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > early 1900s http://www.rwonline.com/article/1142 John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Apr 20 13:19:09 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Apr 20 13:20:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes Save the Record Industry Message-ID: <810768.17835.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 4/20/09, John Robertson wrote: > early 1900s > > http://www.rwonline.com/article/1142 And ironically, De Forest never completely understood how the three-element tube worked. Although he saw himself as a great scientist and inventor, he was mostly a tinkerer acting on hunches and intuition. Most of the work that made his tube commercially viable was done by Western Electric under license from him. In a famous court case, where De Forest sued Edward Armstrong for violating his patents with Armstrong's invention of the superheterodyne circuit (the basis of all modern radio receivers), De Forest was unable to explain under cross examination why his Audion tube could be driven to oscillate, (something he could have learned simply by reading Armstrong's papers on the subject) but De Forest won the case anyway! Just one of the setbacks that led to Armstrong's embitterment with the electronics industry. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Apr 20 14:00:37 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Apr 20 14:02:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes Save the Record Industry Message-ID: <729654.61528.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guys, This brings up something that I heard on the history/sc channel last night --just one line that stated that the CRT was invented in the late 1800's ?? Do that be true, or nutz ?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 4/20/09, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes Save the Record Industry To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 9:58 AM Gentlemen: I'm of the understanding that audio electronics got it's start when Lee DeForest invented the vacuum tube circa 1927 and that (among) the first applications for electronic amplification were use with radio signals and motion picture sound for audiences.? There were a number of inventors involved for the various accompanying technologies (i.e. radio wave transmission/reception,? audio recording, sound with film,etc) that all emerged (or were being improved) around this time.? ???It was around this era that recording on disk went from being an acoustical process to an electronic one. This is just my 50-cent description,that I'm adding to the discussion. I'm sure that more detailed, accurate histories are available from others in the forum or from reference sources. Jim Alexander? ? ? ____________________________________________________________ Keep the bad stuff out and the good stuff in with a new hot tub cover. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYTmpH0jtP4YRUbNKpoTsAcbcQ6DnilRUtNrRbXe3xW3AEPwQVJ28Y/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jrutoskey at yahoo.com Mon Apr 20 14:12:54 2009 From: jrutoskey at yahoo.com (Automatic Music) Date: Mon Apr 20 14:14:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola with TALIH CD Drive installed Message-ID: <411388.57831.qm@web110805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have a customer that has a Rock-Ola Galaxy model 3000X that has a TALIH CD Drive installed. Does anyone know what this is and if this is? The main program IC on the big board has both ROWE AMI, NSM?and Rock-Ola's name on it, so?I am thinking this is an aftermarket "universal replacement". The board says "TALIH CDM-12 OCT 01 1999". The other little bord directly under the CD drive says "TALIH CD PLAYER HEAD BOARD Rev. 1.1 - TH Copyright 1999 USA. ? The customer tells me he had the CD player repaired by Atlas Vending in Chicago about 7 years ago. I have tried calling them all day but the line is just busy. ? At any rate, the CD player doesn't work, and I would like to find someone that can tell me how to proceed with sending the parts out to be checked, and repaired if necessary. ? John D. Rutoskey Automatic Music Machines Baltimore, Maryland From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Apr 20 19:23:26 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Apr 20 19:25:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes Save the Record Industry Message-ID: <612345.59849.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Ron Rich wrote: > This brings up something that I heard on the history/sc > channel last night --just one line that stated that the CRT > was invented in the late 1800's ?? Do that be true, or nutz > ?? Anyone interested in the early history of television should read Albert Abramson's "The History of Television, 1880-1941". (ISBN 0-89950-284-9) It is the definitive work on the subject. He says that in 1858, Julius Pluecker designed a gas-filled tube that glowed when a voltage was applied to an electrode at one end. In 1869, Wilhelm Hittorf found that a solid object placed in such a tube cast a shadow on the glowing surface. In 1876, E. Goldstein "concluded that the rays [that caused the glow] came from the cathode and called them cathode rays." In 1979, William Crooks discovered that the rays were negatively charged particles projected from the surface of the cathode; and in 1896, J Ambrose Fleming demonstrated that the shadow image cast in a Crooks tube could be rotated by the application of a magnetic field. So, we're still almost 30 years from Zworykin's invention of the kinescope (the "modern" picture tube, if any are still being made :-) ) but the foundations had certainly been laid by the turn of the century. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Apr 20 19:32:19 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Apr 20 19:33:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes Save the Record Industry Message-ID: <176854.3464.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David, Thankx ! berry inter-risting !!! Ron Rich --- On Mon, 4/20/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes Save the Record Industry To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 7:23 PM --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Ron Rich wrote: > This brings up something that I heard on the history/sc > channel last night --just one line that stated that the CRT > was invented in the late 1800's ?? Do that be true, or nutz > ?? Anyone interested in the early history of television should read Albert Abramson's "The History of Television, 1880-1941". (ISBN 0-89950-284-9)? It is the definitive work on the subject. He says that in 1858, Julius Pluecker designed a gas-filled tube that glowed when a voltage was applied to an electrode at one end.? In 1869, Wilhelm Hittorf found that a solid object placed in such a tube cast a shadow on the glowing surface.? In 1876, E. Goldstein "concluded that the rays [that caused the glow] came from the cathode and called them cathode rays."? In 1979, William Crooks discovered that the rays were negatively charged particles projected from the surface of the cathode; and in 1896, J Ambrose Fleming demonstrated that the shadow image cast in a Crooks tube could be rotated by the application of a magnetic field. So, we're still almost 30 years from Zworykin's invention of the kinescope (the "modern" picture tube, if any are still being made :-)? ) but the foundations had certainly been laid by the turn of the century. ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Apr 21 05:41:34 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Apr 21 05:43:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1940 Rockola Remote Equipment Message-ID: <000601c9c27e$83830740$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I recently bought a '40 Master with a dial a tune kit installed, but am missing the DC power supply. This is a small blue squarish chassis with a transformer and selenium rectifier on top. If anyone has one for sale, please contact me off list. This is a simple unit with a 22 VDC supply and a 6-8 VAC winding for the wallbox lights. In the meantime, I wanted to make one by modifying a Seeburg wallbox power supply (which is about the same size I believe). I've installed a small light transformer underneath and I've added a fused full bridge rectifier to the Seeburg transformer and have 27 VDC. What is the best way to drop these 5 volts? Thanks in advance. Jim Dirksen From ccos at knology.net Tue Apr 21 06:37:46 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (Karl N Hjort) Date: Tue Apr 21 06:39:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola with TALIH CD Drive installed In-Reply-To: <411388.57831.qm@web110805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <411388.57831.qm@web110805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002201c9c286$5b717c20$12547460$@net> John, That is a Happ replacement. They still support those units. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Automatic Music Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 5:13 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola with TALIH CD Drive installed I have a customer that has a Rock-Ola Galaxy model 3000X that has a TALIH CD Drive installed. Does anyone know what this is and if this is? The main program IC on the big board has both ROWE AMI, NSM?and Rock-Ola's name on it, so?I am thinking this is an aftermarket "universal replacement". The board says "TALIH CDM-12 OCT 01 1999". The other little bord directly under the CD drive says "TALIH CD PLAYER HEAD BOARD Rev. 1.1 - TH Copyright 1999 USA. ? The customer tells me he had the CD player repaired by Atlas Vending in Chicago about 7 years ago. I have tried calling them all day but the line is just busy. ? At any rate, the CD player doesn't work, and I would like to find someone that can tell me how to proceed with sending the parts out to be checked, and repaired if necessary. ? John D. Rutoskey Automatic Music Machines Baltimore, Maryland _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mcdugas at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 07:55:34 2009 From: mcdugas at gmail.com (Kyle Dugas) Date: Tue Apr 21 08:17:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to paint glass for Juke Box Message-ID: <64c93c430904210755r7afa0dfchc8b838b66f0008be@mail.gmail.com> I recently received a Rock-ola 454 with the top glass broken out. This is the glass that shows what is now playing. I have looked for a replacement piece and was unable to locate the glass. I am now faced with coming up with a solution for this whole in the juke box. This is a functional piece of glass since is shows what is playing and I would like a solution that keeps that function. My question is does anyone have a process for painting or coloring the glass so that light can shine through and display the numbers? I have an idea of how to get the numbers on the glass via laser cut vinyl. I just wanted to color the back red and also add some designs to the glass. I looked at the baked on glass, but the piece is too big to fit in my oven. I also tried airbrush paint, but you can see the paint imperfections when the light is on behind it. Looks fine with no back light. Thanks for any help you may give me, Kyle From Trollmasters at webtv.net Tue Apr 21 08:53:02 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Tue Apr 21 08:54:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 Message-ID: <1145-49EDEBDE-238@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Anyone have any experience with a Wurlitzer 412 jukebox? I have an amp and volume control box to work on. There are 3 schematics in the manual for the amp. One is for a DC version, one is for certain serial numbers, and the other for other serial numbers. I have determined from the tube complement which amp I have. Problem is that the schematic for the amp I have shows a volume control located in the amp itself {which this one has} , and no other volume control. The input is just fed into the input plug on the amp direct. My dilema is that the guy gave me a volume control box with circuitry in it also, which would plug into the input of the amp. This does not jive with the schematic. So, does the 412 have 2 volume controls, and either will effect the volume? The schematic for the other serial numbers amps does show a seperate volume control, and no integral volume control in the amp. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From pinball at telus.net Tue Apr 21 09:50:45 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Apr 21 09:52:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to paint glass for Juke Box In-Reply-To: <64c93c430904210755r7afa0dfchc8b838b66f0008be@mail.gmail.com> References: <64c93c430904210755r7afa0dfchc8b838b66f0008be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49EDF965.3070104@telus.net> Kyle Dugas wrote: > I recently received a Rock-ola 454 with the top glass broken out. This is > the glass that shows what is now playing. I have looked for a replacement > piece and was unable to locate the glass. I am now faced with coming up > with a solution for this whole in the juke box. This is a functional piece > of glass since is shows what is playing and I would like a solution that > keeps that function. > > My question is does anyone have a process for painting or coloring the glass > so that light can shine through and display the numbers? I have an idea of > how to get the numbers on the glass via laser cut vinyl. I just wanted to > color the back red and also add some designs to the glass. > > I looked at the baked on glass, but the piece is too big to fit in my oven. > I also tried airbrush paint, but you can see the paint imperfections when > the light is on behind it. Looks fine with no back light. Thanks for any > help you may give me, > > Kyle > > Look into the water transfer printing process using an inkjet printer and either clear or white backed film that you then cover with a clearcoat to protect it: http://www.seriousviewers.com/atwpin/atwbg.htm John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From gibson510 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 21 10:22:12 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Tue Apr 21 10:23:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] question for Ron regarding Tony's books Message-ID: Ron, do you know if Tony's books will still be available through his family off his website? I had intended to contact him about the latest edition of black and gray box book. I know I can get one from always jukin, but I wasn't sure if they had the latest version. Or do you have them available perhaps? Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009 From jrutoskey at yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 10:53:38 2009 From: jrutoskey at yahoo.com (Automatic Music) Date: Tue Apr 21 10:55:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Need USC-1 Purple Diffuser Message-ID: <963559.92199.qm@web110802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello List, ? Does anyone happen to?have the purple diffuser plastic that goes in back of the program holder on the USC-1? It is the part that diffuses the light shining up onto the upper speaker grill. The part is the same for the USC-2 with the exception of the colors, and I'd take either one. ? I'm also looking for NOS or mint condition glasses for this model. ? Thanks in advance! From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 13:59:06 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Apr 21 14:00:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] question for Ron regarding Tony's books Message-ID: <702062.74555.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, As of this date, plans are in the works to keep all the books ( and the new one, not yet printed) available, but it will be awhile before any announcement will be made.. I assume AJ has the third ed. black/gray box book-- I only have my two books in stock--and my own copies of Tony' sbooks, which are? not for sale-- Ron Rich --- On Tue, 4/21/09, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] question for Ron regarding Tony's books To: "jukebox list" Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 10:22 AM Ron, do you know if Tony's books will still be available through his family off his website? I had intended to contact him about the latest edition of black and gray box book. I know I can get one from always jukin, but I wasn't sure if they had the latest version. Or do you have them available perhaps? Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Apr 21 14:23:41 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Apr 21 14:25:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 References: <1145-49EDEBDE-238@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <003801c9c2c7$73290b80$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I've seen them both ways as you describe - one with a volume control built into the amp, and one with a separate control in a little box that would mount on the inside of the cabinet like later Wurlitzer models. So he either gave you an extra volume control or the wrong amp. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McClave" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 412 > Anyone have any experience with a Wurlitzer 412 jukebox? I have an amp > and volume control box to work on. There are 3 schematics in the manual > for the amp. One is for a DC version, one is for certain serial numbers, > and the other for other serial numbers. I have determined from the tube > complement which amp I have. Problem is that the schematic for the amp I > have shows a volume control located in the amp itself {which this one > has} , and no other volume control. The input is just fed into the input > plug on the amp direct. My dilema is that the guy gave me a volume > control box with circuitry in it also, which would plug into the input > of the amp. This does not jive with the schematic. So, does the 412 > have 2 volume controls, and either will effect the volume? The > schematic for the other serial numbers amps does show a seperate volume > control, and no integral volume control in the amp. Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From srice3 at cfl.rr.com Tue Apr 21 17:31:20 2009 From: srice3 at cfl.rr.com (Stephen Rice) Date: Tue Apr 21 17:32:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transistors References: <8A7A97890E3B4205AD2930C5136117C5@yourguessing> <49E0149A.7030204@west.net><402CBAFFCA554DDC8507640AD38334C6@yourguessing><49E23F7A.8030909@west.net><6A294E88FB6646BDB972C135801E16FD@yourguessing> <610628483F57482D93283D4C3894C181@yourguessing> Message-ID: I wanted to update this thread so that others would know what was found and also I am now looking for some other parts in the future. I was able to troubleshoot the audio amplifiers and discovered that only one set of transistors had burned out and the other channel was shorted out due to the previous owner working on the amplifier. I was also able to troubleshoot the Central unit and discovered that the previous owner had stuck a 15 volt regulator in the 5 volt regulator circuit which luckily in turn burned short the 5 volt zener on the control board which saved the other circuits from disaster. I now have a working NSM Galaxy CD 100 that seems to be working well enough that I can now devote time to dealing with the only other problem I see so far and that is an intermittent Er 71 issue that comes up but then goes away when I select another CD. Then I can go back to the one that was an error and it is fine. Anybody have any ideas what to look for? Also I am going to be looking for some title holders since a number of the plastic holders and some complete holders are missing. Anybody knowing of a source please let me know. Again thanks to the group for the previous help. ----------------------------------- >I was able to locate all the transistors between Australia and the US so >have ordered them from the two different sources. >I wanted to thank Jay Hennigan for his offer to help with an alternative. I >was able to find some alternative Darlington's but they were less power so >decided to stick with the original parts. >Once I get the amp repaired I will be looking into the remaining problems >but suspect I will have to do a lot of work on the control unit for this >NSM galaxy CD 100 as well as some of the other modules. >Thanks again for the help Jay and I will let the list know how it goes. >This NSM is much different then the Rock-ola and AMI I have repaired in the >past! >Steve ---------------------------------- >Steve Rice Wrote: >I will have to check later this week as I am waiting on the schematic for >the jukebox. >I believe it may be 63 volts but want to confirm it either with the meter >or schematic. >Thanks for the assistance. >Steve Rice N4YZA Jay Hennigan wrote: >What's the power supply rail voltage on that amplifier? I may have a >suitable sub. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV Stephen Rice wrote: > Thanks, They have the BDW83C and MJE15034GOS-ND but won't allow back > orders on the BDW84C. > > But at least they had the cross that I did not see(the MJE15034GOS-ND). > Thanks for the cross reference. > > I will continue to try to locate the BDW84C's in country. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Wed Apr 22 00:27:02 2009 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Wed Apr 22 00:28:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to paint glass for Juke Box In-Reply-To: <64c93c430904210755r7afa0dfchc8b838b66f0008be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <940131.48631.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Kyle, sounds like a job for a specialist screen printer, but might not be cost effective for such a small job. See if there is someone in your area who might be able to do it. Regards Gary --- On Tue, 21/4/09, Kyle Dugas wrote: > From: Kyle Dugas > Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to paint glass for Juke Box > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, 21 April, 2009, 3:55 PM > I recently received a Rock-ola 454 with the top glass broken > out. This is > the glass that shows what is now playing. I have looked > for a replacement > piece and was unable to locate the glass. I am now faced > with coming up > with a solution for this whole in the juke box. This is a > functional piece > of glass since is shows what is playing and I would like a > solution that > keeps that function. > > My question is does anyone have a process for painting or > coloring the glass > so that light can shine through and display the numbers? I > have an idea of > how to get the numbers on the glass via laser cut vinyl. I > just wanted to > color the back red and also add some designs to the glass. > > I looked at the baked on glass, but the piece is too big to > fit in my oven. > I also tried airbrush paint, but you can see the paint > imperfections when > the light is on behind it. Looks fine with no back light. > Thanks for any > help you may give me, > > Kyle > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From johndt3 at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 04:55:16 2009 From: johndt3 at gmail.com (John D Taylor III) Date: Wed Apr 22 04:57:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle Message-ID: <49EF05A4.8000206@gmail.com> Does anyone know if a signal from a signal generator can be used to induce a frequency instead of using the cobra needle on a record? Thanks JT From Trollmasters at webtv.net Wed Apr 22 08:03:55 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Wed Apr 22 08:05:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle In-Reply-To: John D Taylor III 's message of Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:55:16 -0400 Message-ID: <28479-49EF31DB-423@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> JT, I think that should work. I have had success in the past simply using a small radio with a headphone jack. You plug in the usual headphone jack ino the radio, be sure to keep the volume fairly low, then induce that signal into the amplifier. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From jay at west.net Wed Apr 22 08:06:49 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Apr 22 08:08:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle In-Reply-To: <49EF05A4.8000206@gmail.com> References: <49EF05A4.8000206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49EF3289.8040508@west.net> John D Taylor III wrote: > Does anyone know if a signal from a signal generator can be used to > induce a frequency instead of using the cobra needle on a record? Yes, but it's tricky. The Cobra is essentially a variable inductor that is part of a resonant oscillator circuit. The variable part is a metal disk that is mechanically coupled to the stylus. Groove vibrations modulate the oscillator resulting in FM, which is then detected and amplified. If I recall correctly it runs at about 250-275 kilohertz. If you have an FM signal generator at this frequency it could work. Or, you might be able to use a coil to simulate the Cobra to bring the oscillator up and then magnetically couple an audio signal to a metal pole piece to modulate it. Think "variable reluctance" a la the original GE cartridges. What's the problem you're trying to solve? Cobra cartridges are available as repros for testing a stock amplifier. If you want to be rid of the Cobra/oscillator, then you'll need to modify the amplifier for a ceramic or magnetic cartridge. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From magic-4u at pacbell.net Wed Apr 22 08:52:09 2009 From: magic-4u at pacbell.net (Bradley Grant) Date: Wed Apr 22 08:47:57 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] For Sale Seeburg Symphonola C Message-ID: <71CE169C-CD9A-4191-8B77-85C3423061CF@pacbell.net> Looking to see if there is any interest in 2 project Symphonola C jukes. Among the 2 are one good amp, coin, speaker, etched glass. 2 cabs, one much of the veneer is stripped off. 2 mechs. I found a D after I started this project, so I need to pass this on to a good home. They weren't cheap, so I am hesitant, but need to be realistic. location, VACAVILLE, CALIF Hope to find someone within driving distance. email me with questions. Thanks, Brad From npsyssoft at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Tue Apr 21 08:30:49 2009 From: npsyssoft at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (npsyssoft@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk) Date: Wed Apr 22 10:18:10 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to paint glass for Juke Box In-Reply-To: <64c93c430904210755r7afa0dfchc8b838b66f0008be@mail.gmail.com> References: <64c93c430904210755r7afa0dfchc8b838b66f0008be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2314.217.33.199.77.1240327849.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Kyle, I have a Rock Ola 470. The 'record playing' glass with the 3 sets of numbers was flaking. I managed to borrow one off a friend and photocopied it on gloss white paper. I stuck it where the existing one was and it is perfect. The lights shine through properly and dont bleed into the other numbers, and to be honest it looks identical to the original. I am at work at the moment so cant remember the arrangement on the 454, but on the 470 the original is on a piece of glass actually stuck underneath the glass the customer sees. Black lettering on a red background. If it was not totally as original I would not have been happy with it. I did it 20 years ago and its still ok, and will never flake or damage again. Just some food for thought for you. Nigel, UK > I recently received a Rock-ola 454 with the top glass broken out. This is > the glass that shows what is now playing. I have looked for a replacement > piece and was unable to locate the glass. I am now faced with coming up > with a solution for this whole in the juke box. This is a functional > piece > of glass since is shows what is playing and I would like a solution that > keeps that function. > > My question is does anyone have a process for painting or coloring the > glass > so that light can shine through and display the numbers? I have an idea > of > how to get the numbers on the glass via laser cut vinyl. I just wanted to > color the back red and also add some designs to the glass. > > I looked at the baked on glass, but the piece is too big to fit in my > oven. > I also tried airbrush paint, but you can see the paint imperfections when > the light is on behind it. Looks fine with no back light. Thanks for any > help you may give me, > > Kyle > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From johndt3 at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 10:50:39 2009 From: johndt3 at gmail.com (John D Taylor III) Date: Wed Apr 22 10:52:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle In-Reply-To: <28479-49EF31DB-423@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: <28479-49EF31DB-423@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <49EF58EF.6080108@gmail.com> James McClave wrote: > JT, I think that should work. I have had success in the past simply > using a small radio with a headphone jack. You plug in the usual > headphone jack ino the radio, be sure to keep the volume fairly low, > then induce that signal into the amplifier. Jim > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Thanks Jim, I think I'll try that, it sounds easy enough. You're saying that the FM signal from the radio goes directly to the earphone speaker after it's amplified? > J. T. From johndt3 at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 10:59:01 2009 From: johndt3 at gmail.com (John D Taylor III) Date: Wed Apr 22 11:00:39 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle In-Reply-To: <49EF3289.8040508@west.net> References: <49EF05A4.8000206@gmail.com> <49EF3289.8040508@west.net> Message-ID: <49EF5AE5.7080005@gmail.com> Jay Hennigan wrote: > John D Taylor III wrote: >> Does anyone know if a signal from a signal generator can be used to >> induce a frequency instead of using the cobra needle on a record? > > Yes, but it's tricky. The Cobra is essentially a variable inductor > that is part of a resonant oscillator circuit. The variable part is a > metal disk that is mechanically coupled to the stylus. Groove > vibrations modulate the oscillator resulting in FM, which is then > detected and amplified. > > If I recall correctly it runs at about 250-275 kilohertz. If you have > an FM signal generator at this frequency it could work. > > Or, you might be able to use a coil to simulate the Cobra to bring the > oscillator up and then magnetically couple an audio signal to a metal > pole piece to modulate it. Think "variable reluctance" a la the > original GE cartridges. > > What's the problem you're trying to solve? Cobra cartridges are > available as repros for testing a stock amplifier. If you want to be > rid of the Cobra/oscillator, then you'll need to modify the amplifier > for a ceramic or magnetic cartridge. > > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Jay, it sounds like you've been down this road before, and you know a lot about it. Jim's suggestion is to use a radio and the wiring from the headphone output jack to put the FM signal into the preamp. I think I'm going to try that first before I go nuts trying to round up the other stuff. I'm not having any problem with the amplifier yet, it belongs to a friend of mine and it hasn't been checked. It needs a couple of tubes, and a cap kit in it. I don't have any idea what I'm going to run into, but I want to be ready with a signal to test it, and to see if it has any problems. I'll be doing this on my desk at home so the jukebox won't be with me. One other thing, if he decides that he wants need to modify the amplifier for a cartridge that can be easily found, would you happen to know the procedure and/or what parts would need? JT From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 11:15:12 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Apr 22 11:16:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle Message-ID: <500826.11736.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I use a Fostex TT-15 test tone generator. I don't know if they're made anymore, but a quick Google search shows some for sale used. It's about the size of a deck of playing cards and runs off a 9V battery. You can set the output level at 0dB, -10dB, or -30dB, the latter being low enough not to damage an amp with a magnetic cartridge input. That said, it won't solve the Cobra issue, but it's a great gadget to have, and a lot cheaper than an HP 200CD. There's one here (I know nothing about the seller or site): http://www.tv-bay.com/forsale/Audio/Fostex/Model_TT_15/97594.html David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 11:17:22 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Apr 22 11:19:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle Message-ID: <842104.55911.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 4/22/09, John D Taylor III wrote: > Jay, it sounds like you've been down this road before, and > you know a lot about it.? Jim's suggestion is to use a > radio and the wiring from the headphone output jack to put > the FM signal into the preamp.? I think I'm going to > try that first before I go nuts trying to round up the other > stuff.? That will not send an FM signal to the amp. It will send a nominally 0dB audio signal, just like a ceramic cartridge would. From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Wed Apr 22 12:33:13 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Wed Apr 22 12:34:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle References: <49EF05A4.8000206@gmail.com> <49EF3289.8040508@west.net> <49EF5AE5.7080005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6212DEB488AF41038482AE5FD88791C5@JUKEBUS> John, There is a way to test all but the oscillator section using a standard audio signal generator (or other audio source). You need to couple it in to the amp, using a 0.1uF capacitor, after the demodulator stage. On some schematics there is note about the exact point to do this, I can't remember it off the top of my head. This will allow you test all the conventional sections of the amplifier. To test the cobra oscillator you need a Cobra cartridge, or a simulator. I don't think a simulator exists, but I have thinking about designing one for a while now. If I did, and it worked, would there be much interest in it?? Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John D Taylor III" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle Jay Hennigan wrote: > John D Taylor III wrote: >> Does anyone know if a signal from a signal generator can be used to >> induce a frequency instead of using the cobra needle on a record? > > Yes, but it's tricky. The Cobra is essentially a variable inductor > that is part of a resonant oscillator circuit. The variable part is a > metal disk that is mechanically coupled to the stylus. Groove > vibrations modulate the oscillator resulting in FM, which is then > detected and amplified. > > If I recall correctly it runs at about 250-275 kilohertz. If you have > an FM signal generator at this frequency it could work. > > Or, you might be able to use a coil to simulate the Cobra to bring the > oscillator up and then magnetically couple an audio signal to a metal > pole piece to modulate it. Think "variable reluctance" a la the > original GE cartridges. > > What's the problem you're trying to solve? Cobra cartridges are > available as repros for testing a stock amplifier. If you want to be > rid of the Cobra/oscillator, then you'll need to modify the amplifier > for a ceramic or magnetic cartridge. > > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Jay, it sounds like you've been down this road before, and you know a lot about it. Jim's suggestion is to use a radio and the wiring from the headphone output jack to put the FM signal into the preamp. I think I'm going to try that first before I go nuts trying to round up the other stuff. I'm not having any problem with the amplifier yet, it belongs to a friend of mine and it hasn't been checked. It needs a couple of tubes, and a cap kit in it. I don't have any idea what I'm going to run into, but I want to be ready with a signal to test it, and to see if it has any problems. I'll be doing this on my desk at home so the jukebox won't be with me. One other thing, if he decides that he wants need to modify the amplifier for a cartridge that can be easily found, would you happen to know the procedure and/or what parts would need? JT _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.2/2072 - Release Date: 04/21/09 16:48:00 From s.cummings at comcast.net Wed Apr 22 13:01:12 2009 From: s.cummings at comcast.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Wed Apr 22 13:08:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker rebuild Message-ID: <109911993-1240430486-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1794488408-@bxe1086.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Anyone have a good source for speaker rebuild? Original from a Seeburg 100-A has never been touched and could probably benefit from an overhaul. I'm not as familiar with the audio portion of the box as the mechanicals, so any advice/thoughts on this are appreciated. Thanks From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 14:17:34 2009 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Wed Apr 22 14:19:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Rebuild Message-ID: <723664.57393.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Scott, Neal Speaker was recommended to me. I sent them one from my Rock-Ola 1422 and it came back in great shape. It was as good or better than I have ever had. It was recommended to me from the people on this list. I think you can find it on the Google Search. David Wendell (Geritol Ghetto) From Trollmasters at webtv.net Wed Apr 22 14:21:40 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Wed Apr 22 14:23:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle In-Reply-To: John D Taylor III 's message of Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:50:39 -0400 Message-ID: <27012-49EF8A64-746@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> It is simply an audio signal , and I used this method before successfully to troubleshoot several Wurlitzer amps that used the Cobra cartridge. Just clip the wires at the other end of the earphone plug and use the 2 wires as leads to inject the signal into the amp in the same location as the cobra input would come in. This will basically tell you if the amp is amplifying. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 14:50:55 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Apr 22 14:52:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker rebuild Message-ID: <303144.63830.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Does it sound OK--is it torn ??If not, it ain't broke--save your money ! If you are in the US, and you still want it done, contact meoff list-- Ron Rich --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Scott Cummings wrote: From: Scott Cummings Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker rebuild To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 1:01 PM Anyone have a good source for speaker rebuild?? Original from a Seeburg 100-A has never been touched and could probably benefit from an overhaul. I'm not as familiar with the audio portion of the box as the mechanicals, so any advice/thoughts on this are appreciated. Thanks _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Wed Apr 22 16:27:09 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Apr 22 16:28:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle In-Reply-To: <27012-49EF8A64-746@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <27012-49EF8A64-746@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <49EFA7CD.5070404@west.net> James McClave wrote: > It is simply an audio signal , and I used this method before > successfully to troubleshoot several Wurlitzer amps that used the Cobra > cartridge. Just clip the wires at the other end of the earphone plug and > use the 2 wires as leads to inject the signal into the amp in the same > location as the cobra input would come in. This will basically tell you > if the amp is amplifying. Jim The Cobra system is emphatically not simply an audio signal. In fact, if I had lots of spare time and access to a high-end machine shop I would be tempted to toy with designing a modern stereo cartridge using this scheme. Conventional cartridges rely on either an electromagnetic generator or a piezoelectric element to convert the motion of the stylus to an electrical signal. The Cobra "Radionic" system is substantially different, and relies on the relative position of the stylus to modulate an oscillator circuit in the input stage of the amplifier. There's quite a bit of merit to the theory, and in the late 78-RPM and early 45-RPM era, the Cobra was pretty darned good compared to Rochelle salt crystal cartridges and horseshoe-magnet magnetics. Today, not so, and many of the early monaural Wurlitzers are retrofitted with tonearms from the 2500-to-3100 series that have conventional 1/2-inch cartridge mounts. A regular ceramic or magnetic cartridge is used, but the amplifier must be modified and the Cobra input circuit disabled. Here's the scoop. The Cobra cartridge contains a coil of wire. This coil, along with a small capacitor in the amplifier, is the tuning element of a radio-frequency oscillator. The stylus is mechanically coupled to a metal disk that is loosely held near the coil. When the stylus tracks the record groove and moves, the disk moves relative to the coil. This varies the frequency (and amplitude, due to the Q-factor) of the oscillator. The RF signal is detected and amplified. Coupling the earphone signal of a radio to the cartridge input might brute-force audio through to the speaker but it will not come close to being a valid test of the amplifier's function with a real Cobra pickup. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Wed Apr 22 17:03:51 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Wed Apr 22 17:05:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to paint glass for Juke Box References: <940131.48631.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003a01c9c3a6$fc3f8ae0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> VG sells translucent plastic sheet in red, green, and orange that is less than .010" thick. I use this all the time to make coin, select, and instruction glasses that are not reproduced. Make a number strip (bold) in Excel and print it out. Cut it and the plastic the same size as the glass and "sandwich" it between the glass and whatever brackets hold the glass in. You can glue it in spots that are "blanked" out or not seen if you need extra support. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Young" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] How to paint glass for Juke Box Hi Kyle, sounds like a job for a specialist screen printer, but might not be cost effective for such a small job. See if there is someone in your area who might be able to do it. Regards Gary --- On Tue, 21/4/09, Kyle Dugas wrote: > From: Kyle Dugas > Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to paint glass for Juke Box > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, 21 April, 2009, 3:55 PM > I recently received a Rock-ola 454 with the top glass broken > out. This is > the glass that shows what is now playing. I have looked > for a replacement > piece and was unable to locate the glass. I am now faced > with coming up > with a solution for this whole in the juke box. This is a > functional piece > of glass since is shows what is playing and I would like a > solution that > keeps that function. > > My question is does anyone have a process for painting or > coloring the glass > so that light can shine through and display the numbers? I > have an idea of > how to get the numbers on the glass via laser cut vinyl. I > just wanted to > color the back red and also add some designs to the glass. > > I looked at the baked on glass, but the piece is too big to > fit in my oven. > I also tried airbrush paint, but you can see the paint > imperfections when > the light is on behind it. Looks fine with no back light. > Thanks for any > help you may give me, > > Kyle > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Apr 22 17:20:38 2009 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Wed Apr 22 17:22:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to paint glass for Juke Box References: <940131.48631.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <003a01c9c3a6$fc3f8ae0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: Jim, nice idea, I need one for my 1650, thanks, Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] How to paint glass for Juke Box > VG sells translucent plastic sheet in red, green, and orange that is less > than .010" thick. I use this all the time to make coin, select, and > instruction glasses that are not reproduced. Make a number strip (bold) in > Excel and print it out. Cut it and the plastic the same size as the glass > and "sandwich" it between the glass and whatever brackets hold the glass > in. You can glue it in spots that are "blanked" out or not seen if you > need extra support. Good luck, > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Young" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:27 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] How to paint glass for Juke Box > > > > Hi Kyle, sounds like a job for a specialist screen printer, but might not > be cost effective for such a small job. See if there is someone in your > area who might be able to do it. > > Regards > > Gary > > > --- On Tue, 21/4/09, Kyle Dugas wrote: > >> From: Kyle Dugas >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to paint glass for Juke Box >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Date: Tuesday, 21 April, 2009, 3:55 PM >> I recently received a Rock-ola 454 with the top glass broken >> out. This is >> the glass that shows what is now playing. I have looked >> for a replacement >> piece and was unable to locate the glass. I am now faced >> with coming up >> with a solution for this whole in the juke box. This is a >> functional piece >> of glass since is shows what is playing and I would like a >> solution that >> keeps that function. >> >> My question is does anyone have a process for painting or >> coloring the glass >> so that light can shine through and display the numbers? I >> have an idea of >> how to get the numbers on the glass via laser cut vinyl. I >> just wanted to >> color the back red and also add some designs to the glass. >> >> I looked at the baked on glass, but the piece is too big to >> fit in my oven. >> I also tried airbrush paint, but you can see the paint >> imperfections when >> the light is on behind it. Looks fine with no back light. >> Thanks for any >> help you may give me, >> >> Kyle >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From BLethers at ntlworld.com Wed Apr 22 15:04:53 2009 From: BLethers at ntlworld.com (Brian Ethers) Date: Wed Apr 22 17:32:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Galaxy programming Message-ID: Hi. Sorry about this - I found your email address on a Bulletin Board from 2003 (yes - really!) I'm clutching at straws now. Do you happen to know where I can get an NSM Service Manual for ES III technology? Or maybe some help in diagnosing a fault? I have a Satellite 200 where the player carriage traverses the record rack from right to left and then sticks at the left hand end (it starts to move back in the left-to-right direction but only moves about half an inch (25mm) before it changes and moves back to the left again). Then it simply sits there and "Err FF" shows on the display. I'm sure I could fix this if I can only find a description of the mechanism and how it operates. Thank you. Brian Etherington Leicecster (UK) From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Apr 22 18:50:34 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Wed Apr 22 18:52:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Galaxy programming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005301c9c3b5$e4d6f780$ae84e680$@net> Brian, Quoted directly from the Satellite 200 Service manual. Err FF There is either trouble with the carriage, or a record is jammed; the running is troubled. When opening the box(actuating the box switch) the box switches to standard programme; the same occurs upon supply-on/supply-off. After that, the trouble display "Err FF" goes out and the blinking Display "error" as well. Occurs this trouble again, its cause should be removed. After that the switch box off and then on. Hope this broken English translation helps you out. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Brian Ethers Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:05 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Galaxy programming Hi. Sorry about this - I found your email address on a Bulletin Board from 2003 (yes - really!) I'm clutching at straws now. Do you happen to know where I can get an NSM Service Manual for ES III technology? Or maybe some help in diagnosing a fault? I have a Satellite 200 where the player carriage traverses the record rack from right to left and then sticks at the left hand end (it starts to move back in the left-to-right direction but only moves about half an inch (25mm) before it changes and moves back to the left again). Then it simply sits there and "Err FF" shows on the display. I'm sure I could fix this if I can only find a description of the mechanism and how it operates. Thank you. Brian Etherington Leicecster (UK) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2065 - Release Date: 04/22/09 17:25:00 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Apr 22 20:14:27 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Apr 22 20:18:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes Save the Record Industry Message-ID: <20090422.231427.20878.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Hello Dave: This was an interesting read. Thanks for posting it. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Start a Web Site! Hosting for only $3.95/mo. Free setup! http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1241/?u=http://www.freeservers.com From Trollmasters at webtv.net Wed Apr 22 21:42:34 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Wed Apr 22 21:44:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle In-Reply-To: Jay Hennigan 's message of Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:27:09 -0700 Message-ID: <28478-49EFF1BA-1728@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Everything Jay said is very good info and true. If you have a dead amp and just want to inject some audio into it for troubleshooting , my method has worked numerous times. You keep the volume quite low on the radio , not really "brute forcing" it at all. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From ccos at knology.net Wed Apr 22 22:25:44 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Apr 22 22:27:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Galaxy programming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't have one, but you should check the jukebox list that you probably found me on. That address is: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Great bunch of people and someone there can probably steer you in the right direction. It is free to subscribe to. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Ethers" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Galaxy programming > Hi. > Sorry about this - I found your email address on a Bulletin Board from > 2003 > (yes - really!) > I'm clutching at straws now. Do you happen to know where I can get an NSM > Service Manual for ES III technology? Or maybe some help in diagnosing a > fault? > > I have a Satellite 200 where the player carriage traverses the record rack > from right to left and then sticks at the left hand end (it starts to move > back in the left-to-right direction but only moves about half an inch > (25mm) > before it changes and moves back to the left again). Then it simply sits > there and "Err FF" shows on the display. I'm sure I could fix this if I > can > only find a description of the mechanism and how it operates. > > Thank you. > Brian Etherington > Leicecster (UK) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Thu Apr 23 00:48:00 2009 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Thu Apr 23 00:49:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Galaxy programming In-Reply-To: <005301c9c3b5$e4d6f780$ae84e680$@net> References: <005301c9c3b5$e4d6f780$ae84e680$@net> Message-ID: <407001.34960.qm@web86701.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Yes Brian -?"the running is troubled"!? Err FF is probably the most common error on these NSMs.? Since you (and I) are in the UK, what I would do is send the CCU (control and credit unit) up to Sound Sense Electronics in West Yorkshire (tel 01977 670930) and they will check it out and repair it for you at reasonable cost.? This?may fix the fault but if it doesn't, you now know the CCU is good and you have to start somewhere.? The alternative is to borrow a good ESIII CCU from somebody (usually not too easy) or try your CCU in another Satellite. In very simple terms, your carriage is?on a calibration run to determine its exact position and this is failing - "the running is troubled"! Norman. ________________________________ From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thursday, 23 April, 2009 2:50:34 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] NSM Galaxy programming Brian, Quoted directly from the Satellite 200 Service manual. Err FF There is either trouble with the carriage, or a record is jammed; the running is troubled. When opening the box(actuating the box switch) the box switches to standard programme; the same occurs upon supply-on/supply-off. After that, the trouble display "Err FF" goes out and the blinking Display "error" as well. Occurs this trouble again, its cause should be removed. After that the switch box off and then on. Hope this broken English translation helps you out. Rich From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Thu Apr 23 01:59:40 2009 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Thu Apr 23 02:01:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg KD Crossover Message-ID: <2668B1C5065343CF82E099F6DDBF36AB@Graeme> I have been asked what the value of the capacitors inside a Seeburg KD crossover unit are. Would anyone know please?. Graeme Harvey From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Apr 23 07:33:15 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Apr 23 07:34:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Galaxy programming Message-ID: <166283.50911.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Just thinking--isn't that the reason for this list ?? "the running is troubled" Ron Rich --- On Thu, 4/23/09, NORMAN MACRAE wrote: From: NORMAN MACRAE Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Galaxy programming To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 12:48 AM Yes Brian -?"the running is troubled"!? Err FF is probably the most common error on these NSMs.? Since you (and I) are in the UK, what I would do is send the CCU (control and credit unit) up to Sound Sense Electronics in West Yorkshire (tel 01977 670930) and they will check it out and repair it for you at reasonable cost.? This?may fix the fault but if it doesn't, you now know the CCU is good and you have to start somewhere.? The alternative is to borrow a good ESIII CCU from somebody (usually not too easy) or try your CCU in another Satellite. In very simple terms, your carriage is?on a calibration run to determine its exact position and this is failing - "the running is troubled"! Norman. ________________________________ From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thursday, 23 April, 2009 2:50:34 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] NSM Galaxy programming Brian, Quoted directly from the Satellite 200 Service manual. Err FF There is either trouble with the carriage, or a record is jammed; the running is troubled. When opening the box(actuating the box switch) the box switches to standard programme; the same occurs upon supply-on/supply-off. After that, the trouble display "Err FF" goes out and the blinking Display "error" as well. Occurs this trouble again, its cause should be removed. After that the switch box off and then on. Hope this broken English translation helps you out. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From johndt3 at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 07:40:18 2009 From: johndt3 at gmail.com (John D Taylor III) Date: Thu Apr 23 07:42:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle In-Reply-To: <49EF05A4.8000206@gmail.com> References: <49EF05A4.8000206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F07DD2.3070200@gmail.com> I want to thank everyone for sharing your expertise with me, I'm sure that I make something work out of this. If I can trouble you one more time, there's a website that claims to have a signal generator that can be used with the PC,-and the soundcard. They also have other various software that works with the PC,-oscilloscope, and so forth. With some of you care to go to this site- http://www.aubraux.com/dsp/signal-generator.php and give me your opinion on it. If this is for real there may be some stuff that's for free that you could use on there also. some of the software is free, and some of its available for purchase. It appears legit, but I just don't know how realistic is. I'll be looking forward to your feedback if you care to check it out. Thanks JT John D Taylor III wrote: > Does anyone know if a signal from a signal generator can be used to > induce a frequency instead of using the cobra needle on a record? > > Thanks > JT > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jeffzurn at cox.net Thu Apr 23 07:54:51 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Thu Apr 23 07:56:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle References: <49EF05A4.8000206@gmail.com> <49F07DD2.3070200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002301c9c423$748bd3b0$a7333209@ZURNT60> or try... http://www.higherfi.com/software.htm Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "John D Taylor III" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle >I want to thank everyone for sharing your expertise with me, I'm sure > that I make something work out of this. If I can trouble you one more > time, there's a website that claims to have a signal generator that can > be used with the PC,-and the soundcard. They also have other various > software that works with the PC,-oscilloscope, and so forth. With some > of you care to go to this site- > http://www.aubraux.com/dsp/signal-generator.php and give me your > opinion on it. If this is for real there may be some stuff that's for > free that you could use on there also. some of the software is free, > and some of its available for purchase. It appears legit, but I just > don't know how realistic is. I'll be looking forward to your feedback if > you care to check it out. > > Thanks > JT > > > > John D Taylor III wrote: >> Does anyone know if a signal from a signal generator can be used to >> induce a frequency instead of using the cobra needle on a record? >> >> Thanks >> JT >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pinball at telus.net Thu Apr 23 08:26:29 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Apr 23 08:28:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Galaxy programming In-Reply-To: <407001.34960.qm@web86701.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <005301c9c3b5$e4d6f780$ae84e680$@net> <407001.34960.qm@web86701.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49F088A5.8090605@telus.net> NORMAN MACRAE wrote: > Yes Brian - "the running is troubled"! > > Err FF is probably the most common error on these NSMs. Since you (and I) are in the UK, what I would do is send the CCU (control and credit unit) up to Sound Sense Electronics in West Yorkshire (tel 01977 670930) and they will check it out and repair it for you at reasonable cost. This may fix the fault but if it doesn't, you now know the CCU is good and you have to start somewhere. The alternative is to borrow a good ESIII CCU from somebody (usually not too easy) or try your CCU in another Satellite. > > In very simple terms, your carriage is on a calibration run to determine its exact position and this is failing - "the running is troubled"! > > Norman. > > This model uses an optical sensor for counting the number of indents to identify where it is on the record rack. One can use a logic probe to verify if the impulses are reaching the computer. A schematic would help here and this would also help determine if the problem is in the CCU or the sender which is mounted on the carriage. If you do not have a logic probe a DC voltmeter can work as follows - when the carriage is scanning the voltage at the impulses should hover around 2 to 3VDC, and when the carriage is reversing or stopped it will be at either 5VDC (close is fine) or 0VDC (again close is fine). The DC voltmeter responds to the impulses by showing a somewhat average voltage - more noticeable on the older analog (meter) movements. John :-#)# > ________________________________ > From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Thursday, 23 April, 2009 2:50:34 AM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] NSM Galaxy programming > > Brian, > > Quoted directly from the Satellite 200 Service manual. > > Err FF > There is either trouble with the carriage, or a record is jammed; the > running is troubled. > When opening the box(actuating the box switch) the box switches to standard > programme; the same occurs upon supply-on/supply-off. > After that, the trouble display "Err FF" goes out and the blinking > Display "error" as well. > Occurs this trouble again, its cause should be removed. > After that the switch box off and then on. > > > Hope this broken English translation helps you out. > > Rich > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From johndt3 at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 09:12:53 2009 From: johndt3 at gmail.com (John D Taylor III) Date: Thu Apr 23 09:14:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle In-Reply-To: <002301c9c423$748bd3b0$a7333209@ZURNT60> References: <49EF05A4.8000206@gmail.com> <49F07DD2.3070200@gmail.com> <002301c9c423$748bd3b0$a7333209@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <49F09385.2010902@gmail.com> Would you know if all the features in this software works with a external USB soundcard? JT Jeff Zurn wrote: > or try... http://www.higherfi.com/software.htm > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John D Taylor III" > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 7:40 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle > > >> I want to thank everyone for sharing your expertise with me, I'm sure >> that I make something work out of this. If I can trouble you one >> more time, there's a website that claims to have a signal generator >> that can be used with the PC,-and the soundcard. They also have other >> various software that works with the PC,-oscilloscope, and so forth. >> With some of you care to go to this site- >> http://www.aubraux.com/dsp/signal-generator.php and give me your >> opinion on it. If this is for real there may be some stuff that's >> for free that you could use on there also. some of the software is >> free, and some of its available for purchase. It appears legit, but I >> just don't know how realistic is. I'll be looking forward to your >> feedback if you care to check it out. >> >> Thanks >> JT >> >> >> >> John D Taylor III wrote: >>> Does anyone know if a signal from a signal generator can be used to >>> induce a frequency instead of using the cobra needle on a record? >>> >>> Thanks >>> JT >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jeffzurn at cox.net Thu Apr 23 09:54:21 2009 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Thu Apr 23 09:56:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle References: <49EF05A4.8000206@gmail.com> <49F07DD2.3070200@gmail.com><002301c9c423$748bd3b0$a7333209@ZURNT60> <49F09385.2010902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01c9c434$267f4bf0$a7333209@ZURNT60> Nope! But it's FREE to try it out. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "John D Taylor III" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle > Would you know if all the features in this software works with a > external USB soundcard? > > JT > > Jeff Zurn wrote: >> or try... http://www.higherfi.com/software.htm >> >> Jeff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John D Taylor III" >> >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 7:40 AM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle >> >> >>> I want to thank everyone for sharing your expertise with me, I'm sure >>> that I make something work out of this. If I can trouble you one >>> more time, there's a website that claims to have a signal generator >>> that can be used with the PC,-and the soundcard. They also have other >>> various software that works with the PC,-oscilloscope, and so forth. >>> With some of you care to go to this site- >>> http://www.aubraux.com/dsp/signal-generator.php and give me your >>> opinion on it. If this is for real there may be some stuff that's >>> for free that you could use on there also. some of the software is >>> free, and some of its available for purchase. It appears legit, but I >>> just don't know how realistic is. I'll be looking forward to your >>> feedback if you care to check it out. >>> >>> Thanks >>> JT >>> >>> >>> >>> John D Taylor III wrote: >>>> Does anyone know if a signal from a signal generator can be used to >>>> induce a frequency instead of using the cobra needle on a record? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> JT >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Apr 23 10:09:20 2009 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Apr 23 10:11:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cutter on E-Bay In-Reply-To: <000c01c9c434$267f4bf0$a7333209@ZURNT60> References: <49EF05A4.8000206@gmail.com><49F07DD2.3070200@gmail.com><002301c9c423$748bd3b0$a7333209@ZURNT60><49F09385.2010902@gmail.com> <000c01c9c434$267f4bf0$a7333209@ZURNT60> Message-ID: Hi Guys, I happened to come across this interesting record cutter. It does all three speeds, and appears complete. Maybe someone on the list would want to make their own records for their jukebox. Check it out. Mike http://cgi.ebay.ca/RCA-73B-16-33-RPM-Record-Cutter-Tubes-Amp_W0QQitemZ33 0324466759QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item33032446675 9&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1215%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7 C240%3A1318 _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From jay at west.net Thu Apr 23 10:45:08 2009 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Apr 23 10:46:49 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle In-Reply-To: <49F07DD2.3070200@gmail.com> References: <49EF05A4.8000206@gmail.com> <49F07DD2.3070200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F0A924.6050805@west.net> John D Taylor III wrote: > I want to thank everyone for sharing your expertise with me, I'm sure > that I make something work out of this. If I can trouble you one more > time, there's a website that claims to have a signal generator that can > be used with the PC,-and the soundcard. They also have other various > software that works with the PC,-oscilloscope, and so forth. With some > of you care to go to this site- > http://www.aubraux.com/dsp/signal-generator.php and give me your > opinion on it. If this is for real there may be some stuff that's for > free that you could use on there also. some of the software is free, > and some of its available for purchase. It appears legit, but I just > don't know how realistic is. I'll be looking forward to your feedback if > you care to check it out. I'm not sure specifically what you're trying to accomplish. If the goal is to develop a Cobra pickup simulator for testing Wurlitzer amplifiers, I would start with a Cobra pickup connected to the amplifier input. This ensures that the design inductance is correct and that the oscillator will run at or near the design frequency. Then, couple a signal generator (could be software-derived) to the pickup in such a way as to modulate the oscillator. This might be as simple as an iron-core or ferrite coil driven by the generator, you would have to experiment. Note that the 1900 and presumably others use RG-58 coaxial cable between the tonearm mount and the amplifier input. The type and length of the cable are likely to make a difference. To build a setup without using a Cobra pickup, first determine the inductance of the pickup. This may be searchable but my Google-fu has come up empty. An inductance bridge of grid-dip meter and a sample pickup with a suitable parallel capacitor could be used. Then construct a setup with a coil of this inductance and an audio feed coil on the same core. You would need to experiment with the core material (ferrite, iron, perhaps a bias magnet) to achieve the desired effect. If you're lucky, you might stumble across a "Cobra-matic" record changer at a thrift shop or garage sale and be able to just play records. That's what I do when working on Wurlitzer Cobra amps. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Apr 23 10:43:33 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu Apr 23 10:53:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cutter on E-Bay In-Reply-To: References: <49EF05A4.8000206@gmail.com><49F07DD2.3070200@gmail.com><002301c9c423$748bd3b0$a7333209@ZURNT60><49F09385.2010902@gmail.com> <000c01c9c434$267f4bf0$a7333209@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <001901c9c43b$05f77db0$11e67910$@net> Very curious. I could not turn anything up in a Google search. Wonder how it receives it's input? Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Dicecco, Michael Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 12:09 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cutter on E-Bay Hi Guys, I happened to come across this interesting record cutter. It does all three speeds, and appears complete. Maybe someone on the list would want to make their own records for their jukebox. Check it out. Mike http://cgi.ebay.ca/RCA-73B-16-33-RPM-Record-Cutter-Tubes-Amp_W0QQitemZ33 0324466759QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item33032446675 9&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1215%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7 C240%3A1318 _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.3/2075 - Release Date: 04/23/09 06:30:00 From evergreener at juno.com Thu Apr 23 13:11:04 2009 From: evergreener at juno.com (evergreener@juno.com) Date: Thu Apr 23 13:13:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Painting jukebox glass Message-ID: <20090423.131104.5471.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Maybe this doesn't matter- but a thought- When I sold aquariums, the plastic backgrounds with the plant scenes always looked uneven because water would "cling" it to some places and not others. There would always be significant dark/light patches to the scenery. Since they weren't vinyl cling material, customers told me to use a little vegetable oil and squeegee the plastic scene down-- it makes the plastic cling evenly and turn out perfect. Also, Has anyone tried to spray paint the back side of the glass and then remove the paint for the stenciled on letters? I would think it would be more even if spray applied. Matthew Cummings Olympia Wa ____________________________________________________________ Protect your home before it is too late. Click here for homeowner insurance information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsHGivYLWbRyKGgbKxOi3wzJccyFMEGLU9Ts2xfE00XDMFveT4fTjS/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Apr 23 14:41:33 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Apr 23 14:43:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Record Cutter on E-Bay Message-ID: <126104.83285.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > I happened to come across this interesting record cutter. > It does all three speeds, and appears complete. Well, the seller says three motors (although he also seems to assume that there's a separate motor for each speed). Certainly one motor is for the turntable. Another for the cutting head feed screw. Not sure what the third motor would be for. But it's doubtful that this machine will cut 45s or any microgroove record. 33 is for cutting 16" transcriptions, and 78 for cutting 10" or 12" consumer records. This is the type of record lathe that would be in a wealthy radio station or independent record company, in the immediate pre and post WWII era before tape recording really caught on. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Apr 23 14:46:08 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Apr 23 14:47:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle Message-ID: <808345.85458.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 4/22/09, James McClave wrote: > If you have a dead amp > and just want to inject some audio into it for > troubleshooting , my > method has worked numerous times.? You keep the volume > quite low on the > radio , not really "brute forcing" it at all. And you've done this successfully with a Cobra amp? From Trollmasters at webtv.net Thu Apr 23 18:35:15 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Thu Apr 23 18:36:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle In-Reply-To: David Breneman 's message of Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <27016-49F11753-1060@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> absolutely . E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Thu Apr 23 21:29:20 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Thu Apr 23 21:42:19 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F14020.1070707@sparksandarcs.net> Hey guys/gals I got my SMC-2 running reasonably now after replacing the motor mounts -- BTW The "standard" Seeburg mounts DO NOT fit. They are actually too large for the motor used in my SMC2. I ended up shimming the space between the bits with a ring made from a flat capstan belt from a tape recorder. Trim to fit the circumference and it squeezes in nicely. I seem to be running through batteries in the MCU used for backup of the memory, using alkaline Energiezers or Duracells. Like many of you I don't keep my jukes plugged in or otherwise powered unless it's playing. I keep them on switched power strips for safety. Of course when the batteries go dead, the computer forgets it was on free play and it takes lifting the lid to get to that credit switch enabling free play again.... What to check in the MCU? The sticker inside the cabinet says "Replace batteries yearly". I'm lucky to get more than a couple of months! Thank you Mike Carmack From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Apr 23 22:26:30 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu Apr 23 22:28:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurli parts Message-ID: <000001c9c49d$39668760$ac339620$@net> I have some surplus pricing sheets from a 3500 and some from the 3000 series. They might fit other models as well. I also have two sheets of music category stickers. I believe they predate the 2800 because They are pretty large and are self adhesive. There are a few plastic record category pieces that look like they slip onto the title strips somewhere. If anyone is interested, contact me off line. Here is a link to a few pics. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/parts I am looking for the top part of the dome latch for a 2800. This is the part that actually secures the dome. From the pics you can see the 2800LeftDome is missing the part and the 2800RightDome is complete. Does anyone have an extra????? Thanks a bunch! Rich From drjukebox at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 04:09:05 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Fri Apr 24 04:10:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle In-Reply-To: <27016-49F11753-1060@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <27016-49F11753-1060@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <3154d3690904240409ie15ec56x8f8212cccaf2f784@mail.gmail.com> I always took just the tonearm with a needle and plugged it in the amplifier for testing. The cobra system is very sensitive to impedance changes so i would always solder in a new receptacle in the amplifier. And a new male on the cable. Jens On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:35 AM, James McClave wrote: > absolutely . > > E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From johndt3 at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 06:07:09 2009 From: johndt3 at gmail.com (John D Taylor III) Date: Fri Apr 24 06:08:54 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer amplifier with a cobra needle In-Reply-To: <3154d3690904240409ie15ec56x8f8212cccaf2f784@mail.gmail.com> References: <27016-49F11753-1060@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <3154d3690904240409ie15ec56x8f8212cccaf2f784@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F1B97D.6090401@gmail.com> What did you use to vibrate the needle? JT Jens Hultgren wrote: > I always took just the tonearm with a needle and plugged it in the amplifier > for testing. > > The cobra system is very sensitive to impedance changes so i would always > solder in a new receptacle in the amplifier. And a new male on the cable. > > Jens > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:35 AM, James McClave wrote: > > >> absolutely . >> >> E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Apr 24 07:17:11 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Apr 24 07:18:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life Message-ID: <440273.12903.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> What size cells are you using ??? Which MPU is installed ?? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Carmack wrote: From: Carmack Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 9:29 PM Hey guys/gals I got my SMC-2 running reasonably now after replacing the motor mounts -- BTW The "standard" Seeburg mounts DO NOT fit.? They are actually too large for the motor used in my SMC2.? I ended up shimming the space between the bits with a ring made from a flat capstan belt from a tape recorder.? Trim to fit the circumference and it squeezes in nicely. I seem to be running through batteries in the MCU used for backup of the memory, using alkaline Energiezers or Duracells.? Like many of you I don't keep my jukes plugged in or otherwise powered unless it's playing.? I keep them on switched power strips for safety.? Of course when the batteries go dead, the computer forgets it was on free play and it takes lifting the lid to get to that credit switch enabling free play again.... What to check in the MCU?? The sticker inside the cabinet says "Replace batteries yearly".? I'm lucky to get more than a couple of months! Thank you Mike Carmack _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gibson510 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 24 08:04:43 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Fri Apr 24 08:06:26 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] painting glass / rockola glass request Message-ID: Someone was looking for glass for their Rockola recently. I have a piece of NOS Selection playing glass but not sure what model it fits. May be a longshot but if you wanted to send me your model information I can look it up, or contact me off the list and I can take a picture to send you of the piece I have. It has been sealed in a wooden shipping container and I just opened it this week to see what was inside. The container said Rockola Glass on it but no reference to model. Rick _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage2_042009 From Turkys25 at aol.com Fri Apr 24 09:35:48 2009 From: Turkys25 at aol.com (Turkys25@aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 24 09:56:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] In home jukebox repairs needed Message-ID: I am in Charleston, South Carolina and have several restored Wurlitzer 78rpm jukeboxes in my home. Due to a stroke I am unable to "work" on the machines as I once could. I am searching for someone that is knowledgeable about Wurlitzer mechanisms and amplifiers, etc. I need them to be willing to make a house call. Thanks, Turky Burky _turkys25@aol.com_ (mailto:turkys25@aol.com) or: 843 696-4400 **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421330x1201417418/aol?redi r=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Ap rilAvgfooter424NO62) From pinball at telus.net Fri Apr 24 10:17:54 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Apr 24 10:19:36 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] In home jukebox repairs needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F1F442.7000807@telus.net> Turkys25@aol.com wrote: > I am in Charleston, South Carolina and have several restored Wurlitzer > 78rpm jukeboxes in my home. Due to a stroke I am unable to "work" on the > machines as I once could. I am searching for someone that is knowledgeable about > Wurlitzer mechanisms and amplifiers, etc. > I need them to be willing to make a house call. > Thanks, Turky Burky _turkys25@aol.com_ (mailto:turkys25@aol.com) or: 843 > 696-4400 > I have a web page showing local repair folks located: http://flippers.com/jukebox_service.html John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pinball at telus.net Fri Apr 24 11:00:56 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Apr 24 11:02:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] In home jukebox repairs needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F1FE58.9060203@telus.net> Turkys25@aol.com wrote: > I am in Charleston, South Carolina and have several restored Wurlitzer > 78rpm jukeboxes in my home. Due to a stroke I am unable to "work" on the > machines as I once could. I am searching for someone that is knowledgeable about > Wurlitzer mechanisms and amplifiers, etc. > I need them to be willing to make a house call. > Thanks, Turky Burky _turkys25@aol.com_ (mailto:turkys25@aol.com) or: 843 > 696-4400 > If you can't find anyone on Google or my jukebox help page, then check your local Yellow Pages (phone books - remember those?) under the heading VENDING or AMUSEMENT PLACES and ask those people if they know anyone that fixes jukeboxes in homes... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Apr 24 13:44:29 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Apr 24 13:46:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] In home jukebox repairs needed Message-ID: <741471.31535.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Might also try "Jukebox"? in local, or closest large city, phone book. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 4/24/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] In home jukebox repairs needed To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 11:00 AM Turkys25@aol.com wrote: > I am in Charleston, South Carolina and have several restored Wurlitzer? 78rpm jukeboxes in my home. Due to a stroke I am unable to "work" on the? machines as I once could. I am searching for someone that is knowledgeable about? Wurlitzer mechanisms and amplifiers, etc. I need them to be willing to make a house call. > Thanks, Turky Burky? _turkys25@aol.com_ (mailto:turkys25@aol.com)? or: 843? 696-4400 >??? If you can't find anyone on Google or my jukebox help page, then check your local Yellow Pages (phone books - remember those?) under the heading VENDING or AMUSEMENT PLACES and ask those people if they know anyone that fixes jukeboxes in homes... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Apr 24 13:44:30 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Apr 24 13:46:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] In home jukebox repairs needed Message-ID: <90855.13414.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Might also try "Jukebox"? in local, or closest large city, phone book. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 4/24/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] In home jukebox repairs needed To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 11:00 AM Turkys25@aol.com wrote: > I am in Charleston, South Carolina and have several restored Wurlitzer? 78rpm jukeboxes in my home. Due to a stroke I am unable to "work" on the? machines as I once could. I am searching for someone that is knowledgeable about? Wurlitzer mechanisms and amplifiers, etc. I need them to be willing to make a house call. > Thanks, Turky Burky? _turkys25@aol.com_ (mailto:turkys25@aol.com)? or: 843? 696-4400 >??? If you can't find anyone on Google or my jukebox help page, then check your local Yellow Pages (phone books - remember those?) under the heading VENDING or AMUSEMENT PLACES and ask those people if they know anyone that fixes jukeboxes in homes... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Fri Apr 24 13:48:24 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (Karl N Hjort) Date: Fri Apr 24 13:50:07 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] In home jukebox repairs needed In-Reply-To: <741471.31535.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <741471.31535.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201c9c51e$02c33c90$0849b5b0$@net> Amusements is the most commonly used category in the Yellow Pages. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:44 PM To: pinball@telus.net; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] In home jukebox repairs needed Might also try "Jukebox"? in local, or closest large city, phone book. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 4/24/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] In home jukebox repairs needed To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 11:00 AM Turkys25@aol.com wrote: > I am in Charleston, South Carolina and have several restored Wurlitzer? 78rpm jukeboxes in my home. Due to a stroke I am unable to "work" on the? machines as I once could. I am searching for someone that is knowledgeable about? Wurlitzer mechanisms and amplifiers, etc. I need them to be willing to make a house call. > Thanks, Turky Burky? _turkys25@aol.com_ (mailto:turkys25@aol.com)? or: 843? 696-4400 >??? If you can't find anyone on Google or my jukebox help page, then check your local Yellow Pages (phone books - remember those?) under the heading VENDING or AMUSEMENT PLACES and ask those people if they know anyone that fixes jukeboxes in homes... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From leezo27 at hotmail.co.uk Fri Apr 24 13:45:00 2009 From: leezo27 at hotmail.co.uk (lee Hunt) Date: Fri Apr 24 13:52:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: Hello all, Can anybody help, I require an electrical diagram for a weingnadt jukebox, also an electrical drawing for a Philips VE1325 Amplifier which was a common amplfier used in these boxes. Any help would much be appreciated. Many thanks Lee. _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place ? Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Apr 24 13:51:54 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Apr 24 13:53:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT? Message-ID: <13994.14465.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Is anyone, besides me getting doubbbbble posts from the list today--even mine to the list are doubled ? Ron Rich ? From Turkys25 at aol.com Fri Apr 24 14:05:48 2009 From: Turkys25 at aol.com (Turkys25@aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 24 14:14:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT? Message-ID: every email so far has ciome twice. **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421330x1201417418/aol?redi r=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Ap rilAvgfooter424NO62) From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Apr 24 14:59:14 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Apr 24 15:00:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT? Message-ID: <988449.26864.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Is anyone, besides me getting > doubbbbble posts from the list today--even mine to the list > are doubled ? Ron Rich Not today, but I have occasionally in the past. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. From rockolakid at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 24 15:51:38 2009 From: rockolakid at ntlworld.com (rockolakid) Date: Fri Apr 24 15:51:37 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT? References: <988449.26864.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Not me Ron, I say not me Ron Sorry mate couldn't resist. Regards Doug. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT? > > --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Is anyone, besides me getting >> doubbbbble posts from the list today--even mine to the list >> are doubled ? Ron Rich > > Not today, but I have occasionally in the past. There > doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 18:43:53 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Fri Apr 24 18:45:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT? In-Reply-To: <13994.14465.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <13994.14465.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Not here Ron... Thomas On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Is anyone, besides me getting doubbbbble posts from the list today--even > mine to the list are doubled ? Ron Rich > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Fri Apr 24 22:04:50 2009 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Fri Apr 24 22:11:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] IMA-AMI Model J80H Message-ID: <662510.38639.qm@web96013.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Refurbishing a 1957 J80H Jensen ?(assy in Denmark) this uses the same mech as a AMI F80, but in a different cabinet arrangement. Problem is that she will only select on the first 10 records that is 1 to 10 the other selector buttons are dead... all the plugs are seated in the selector block. Any ideas thanks. Regards John From stamann at jukebox-world.de Sat Apr 25 07:59:28 2009 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:01:57 2009 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: Hello Lee, I can offer a diagram for the Wiegandt Tonmaster. It also includes the schematic for Philips VE1325. It is a German one of course buit I doubt there is an English one available. If you like you can email us off list. Kind regards - Hildegard ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Stamann Musikboxen - Schafskamp 2 - D-27243 Klein Henstedt - www.jukebox-world.de - stamann@jukebox-world.de Tel: (++49) 04224/264, Fax: (++49) 04224-1348, Ust.Id: DE 249241577 -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von lee Hunt Gesendet: Samstag, 25. April 2009 07:46 An: Jukebox forum Betreff: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Hello all, Can anybody help, I require an electrical diagram for a weingnadt jukebox, also an electrical drawing for a Philips VE1325 Amplifier which was a common amplfier used in these boxes. Any help would much be appreciated. Many thanks Lee. _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place - Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Apr 25 08:36:00 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:37:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker rebuild Message-ID: <101833.39312.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Scott Cummings wrote: > Original from a Seeburg 100-A has never been > touched and could probably benefit from an overhaul. I'm not > as familiar with the audio portion of the box as the > mechanicals, so any advice/thoughts on this are appreciated. Hi, Scott - The main reason for re-coning speakers from the 1970s onwards is that the plastic foam cone suspension band decomposes. This is not an issue with a speaker cone suspended by pleats in the cone material itself, such as those made in the 1940s. The only other reason to rebuild a speaker would be because the cone coil is rubbing against the driving coil or frame, or if there as a break in either driving or driven coils. Both of these conditions would cause obvious and intrusive distortion in the audio. Barring such distortion, there is no reason the rebuild the speaker. Unlike electronics components which can deteriorate to a dangerous state over time (ie,wax/paper capacitors), there is really no such thing as a prophylactic speaker rebuild. Hope this helps. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Apr 25 08:44:49 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:46:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] IMA-AMI Model J80H Message-ID: <854927.48523.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 4/24/09, John Wilson wrote: > Refurbishing a 1957 J80H Jensen > (assy in Denmark) this uses the same mech as a AMI F80, > but in a different cabinet arrangement. Problem is that she > will only select on the first 10 records that is 1 to 10 the > other selector buttons are dead... all the plugs are seated > in the selector block. Any ideas thanks. If the selection buttons are similar in function to the F80 as well, each button passes current on to the next one. In this way, if the customer presses several buttons simultaneously, only the lowest number selection will be registered. If pressing 11 and above results in no selection being registered, check to see that there is current flowing from button 10 to button 11. Could be a broken jumper, dirty contact, etc. From p.hagens at wxs.nl Sat Apr 25 09:47:48 2009 From: p.hagens at wxs.nl (Piet Hagens) Date: Sat Apr 25 09:49:24 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901c9c5c5$910346b0$b309d410$@hagens@wxs.nl> We have an English manual for this jukebox. See: http://tinyurl.com/cde4jl Greetings, Piet Hello all, Can anybody help, I require an electrical diagram for a weingnadt jukebox, also an electrical drawing for a Philips VE1325 Amplifier which was a common amplfier used in these boxes. Any help would much be appreciated. Many thanks Lee. _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place - Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/____________________________ ___________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Apr 25 12:51:26 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Apr 25 12:54:02 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] In home jukebox repairs needed Message-ID: <20090425.155126.4718.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Hello Gentlemen: Every so often, Jukebox Collector magazine publishes a national directory of independent jukebox technicians who are willing to help others service/maintain their classic jukes. Some will travel to make service calls, others won't. In some cases, vending companies listed in the phone directory may indicate that they're willing to provide in-home tech service for privately owned machines. My experience is that most vending techs are more experienced with and prefer to restrict their work to recent-generation equipment as opposed to the 100 % mechanically-based classic jukes. In So. Carolina, the magazine lists servicer James Ward in Greenwood, at PH 864 980 6797,no email or website. The notes say that Ward works on classic jukes and is willing to travel for service calls. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right business program for you and take your career to the next level. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRam1x08cOHASIrRge3crZ6TJyw8izHd5OhsTh3oS6Zgge7T683Mc/ From Turkys25 at aol.com Sat Apr 25 13:07:10 2009 From: Turkys25 at aol.com (Turkys25@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 25 13:16:22 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] In home jukebox repairs needed Message-ID: In a message dated 4/25/2009 3:54:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jalexandercc@netzero.net writes: Hello Gentlemen: Every so often, Jukebox Collector magazine publishes a national directory of independent jukebox technicians who are willing to help others service/maintain their classic jukes. Some will travel to make service calls, others won't. In some cases, vending companies listed in the phone directory may indicate that they're willing to provide in-home tech service for privately owned machines. My experience is that most vending techs are more experienced with and prefer to restrict their work to recent-generation equipment as opposed to the 100 % mechanically-based classic jukes. In So. Carolina, the magazine lists servicer James Ward in Greenwood, at PH 864 980 6797,no email or website. The notes say that Ward works on classic jukes and is willing to travel for service calls. Hope this helps, thanks!!!!!! **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) From 19k20 at comcast.net Sat Apr 25 21:33:18 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sat Apr 25 21:35:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector Message-ID: <000901c9c628$1ff9dcf0$5fed96d0$@net> I have counted pulses and the my G200 frequently play the wrong selection. If I have counted the pulses correctly, it is not pulsing the correct number of times to play the selection made. The letter pulses is always correct, but the number pulses are off. Not sure exactly where to start.usually off my one or two..ie select E15, plays E16...or select D15, plays D13. There are some selections that play correctly every time though. How can I differentiate between the pulse stepper not pulsing correctly or the selector not sending the correct selection to the pulse selector? Thanks again for the help. Rich From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Sat Apr 25 22:11:41 2009 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Sat Apr 25 22:13:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector Message-ID: <898112.65449.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Check alignment, Carefully. These units have critical alignment. Re: back pins and front and also the selector part in the top. ? Regards, Tony --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Received: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 12:33 AM I have counted pulses and the my G200 frequently play the wrong selection. If I have counted the pulses correctly,? it is not pulsing the correct number of times to play the selection made.? The letter pulses is always correct,? but the number pulses are off.? Not sure exactly where to start.usually off my one or two..ie select E15, plays E16...or select D15, plays D13.? There are some selections that play correctly every time though. How can I differentiate between the pulse stepper not pulsing correctly or the selector not sending the correct selection to the pulse selector? Thanks again for the help. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Apr 26 01:01:35 2009 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Apr 26 01:03:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector In-Reply-To: <000901c9c628$1ff9dcf0$5fed96d0$@net> References: <000901c9c628$1ff9dcf0$5fed96d0$@net> Message-ID: <000301c9c645$382ff580$a88fe080$@force9.co.uk> If you have an Ami wallbox, connect that up and select via that. It will eliminate either the pulse generator or the pulse converter. If not, in my experience, random selections will be the fault of the pulse converter. The most likely problem will be the number 'pecker' for want of a better word. You know when the pulse is being transmitted, every time the number solenoid activates, it pulls down a bar which notches the gear round one pulse (on the Ami I this is the red nylon gear, not sure if it's the same colour on the G). This in turn aligns the wiper to the correct selection. You may find it is out of adjustment. Either the nylon gear needs adjusting (with an Allen key) or the solenoid needs moving slightly. You can examine this with the machine turned off. Hold the one bar down that stops the gear returning, and with the other hand push the solenoid yourself. You may find then where it is going out of step. I put money on that being where the problem is. Regards Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ssg Rich Myers Sent: 26 April 2009 05:33 To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector I have counted pulses and the my G200 frequently play the wrong selection. If I have counted the pulses correctly, it is not pulsing the correct number of times to play the selection made. The letter pulses is always correct, but the number pulses are off. Not sure exactly where to start.usually off my one or two..ie select E15, plays E16...or select D15, plays D13. There are some selections that play correctly every time though. How can I differentiate between the pulse stepper not pulsing correctly or the selector not sending the correct selection to the pulse selector? Thanks again for the help. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Apr 26 06:35:09 2009 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Apr 26 06:37:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector References: <000901c9c628$1ff9dcf0$5fed96d0$@net> Message-ID: <001d01c9c673$d3ac8f90$6101a8c0@Dirksen> If you can hear that it is one pulse less, I would suspect the pulse generator and keyboard rather than the pulse converter. Select A1, A2. A3, etc until it selects one number off. Verify that it is really that same one number off on several different letter selections. Then check that pushbutton switch and the wiring to it. I recently fixed a K200 where the #9 pushbutton switch wire was just twisted and never soldered to the terminal. If they check out OK, check that rivet on the pulse generator to be sure the wiper is touching it. Check the wire underneath the rivet to be sure it is still soldered properly. Don't dive into the pulse converter until you have eliminated the easy stuff first. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ssg Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 12:33 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector >I have counted pulses and the my G200 frequently play the wrong selection. > If I have counted the pulses correctly, it is not pulsing the correct > number of times to play the selection made. The letter pulses is always > correct, but the number pulses are off. Not sure exactly where to > start.usually off my one or two..ie select E15, plays E16...or select D15, > plays D13. There are some selections that play correctly every time > though. > How can I differentiate between the pulse stepper not pulsing correctly or > the selector not sending the correct selection to the pulse selector? > > > > Thanks again for the help. > > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Apr 26 07:11:18 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Apr 26 07:13:01 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector Message-ID: <611614.63683.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 4/26/09, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: > Don't dive into the pulse converter until > you have eliminated the easy stuff first. I second that. The pulse comverter is usually pretty trouble free alignment-wise. I've never had to adjust one. Clean contacts, etc., but nothing more. And it's one of those things that once you adjust something, something else will need a compensating adjustment. Check the pin-pushing levers. That assembly frequently needs adjusting, especially if the meachanism is pushed too far back in the cabinet and they scrape against the back as they rotate. Sometimes a lazy technician will try to adjust the assembly by bending the levers, making it worse. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Apr 26 08:35:54 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Apr 26 08:37:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector Message-ID: <816639.68794.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rich, In a case like this, one must do something that is very dangerous--assume--.. One can either assume that the "keybord/pulse generator" is the problem, or the "pulse converter" is at fault.? Since you have pined it down to the numbers, you are going to need to check just that side. Where to start is up to you--but I would "assume" it to be contact problems in the "converter" side first-- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 9:33 PM I have counted pulses and the my G200 frequently play the wrong selection. If I have counted the pulses correctly,? it is not pulsing the correct number of times to play the selection made.? The letter pulses is always correct,? but the number pulses are off.? Not sure exactly where to start.usually off my one or two..ie select E15, plays E16...or select D15, plays D13.? There are some selections that play correctly every time though. How can I differentiate between the pulse stepper not pulsing correctly or the selector not sending the correct selection to the pulse selector? Thanks again for the help. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Apr 26 08:53:50 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Apr 26 08:55:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector Message-ID: <463483.26912.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Nigel, Rich, That's x-actly what I was attempting to say--only thing? can add, is watch the "pecker's" "overtravel" carefuly, while adjusting the solenoid--you may find the specs in the book (I don't remember--but I know it's in some of the manuals), or just compare the difference between the letter and the number operation, while doing it by hand-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 1:01 AM If you have an Ami wallbox, connect that up and select via that. It will eliminate either the pulse generator or the pulse converter. If not, in my experience, random selections will be the fault of the pulse converter. The most likely problem will be the number 'pecker' for want of a better word. You know when the pulse is being transmitted, every time the number solenoid activates, it pulls down a bar which notches the gear round one pulse (on the Ami I this is the red nylon gear, not sure if it's the same colour on the G). This in turn aligns the wiper to the correct selection. You may find it is out of adjustment. Either the nylon gear needs adjusting (with an Allen key) or the solenoid needs moving slightly. You can examine this with the machine turned off. Hold the one bar down that stops the gear returning, and with the other hand push the solenoid yourself. You may find then where it is going out of step. I put money on that being where the problem is. Regards Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ssg Rich Myers Sent: 26 April 2009 05:33 To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector I have counted pulses and the my G200 frequently play the wrong selection. If I have counted the pulses correctly,? it is not pulsing the correct number of times to play the selection made.? The letter pulses is always correct,? but the number pulses are off.? Not sure exactly where to start.usually off my one or two..ie select E15, plays E16...or select D15, plays D13.? There are some selections that play correctly every time though. How can I differentiate between the pulse stepper not pulsing correctly or the selector not sending the correct selection to the pulse selector? Thanks again for the help. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 10:48:04 2009 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Sun Apr 26 10:49:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector In-Reply-To: <463483.26912.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <463483.26912.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690904261048g3346e50by753c61c0f9a0e11b@mail.gmail.com> I believe you can pulse the pulse relay by hand and so imitate the pulse generator action. Pulse recievers are generally trouble free, yes, unless someone has messed with the adjustments.... Jens On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Nigel, Rich, > That's x-actly what I was attempting to say--only thing can add, is watch > the "pecker's" "overtravel" carefuly, while adjusting the solenoid--you may > find the specs in the book (I don't remember--but I know it's in some of the > manuals), or just compare the difference between the letter and the number > operation, while doing it by hand-- Ron Rich > > --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Nigel Pugh wrote: > > > From: Nigel Pugh > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 1:01 AM > > > If you have an Ami wallbox, connect that up and select via that. It will > eliminate either the pulse generator or the pulse converter. > If not, in my experience, random selections will be the fault of the pulse > converter. The most likely problem will be the number 'pecker' for want of > a > better word. You know when the pulse is being transmitted, every time the > number solenoid activates, it pulls down a bar which notches the gear round > one pulse (on the Ami I this is the red nylon gear, not sure if it's the > same colour on the G). This in turn aligns the wiper to the correct > selection. You may find it is out of adjustment. Either the nylon gear > needs > adjusting (with an Allen key) or the solenoid needs moving slightly. You > can > examine this with the machine turned off. Hold the one bar down that stops > the gear returning, and with the other hand push the solenoid yourself. You > may find then where it is going out of step. I put money on that being > where > the problem is. > > Regards > > Nigel, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ssg Rich > Myers > Sent: 26 April 2009 05:33 > To: 'Jukebox mailing list' > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector > > I have counted pulses and the my G200 frequently play the wrong selection. > If I have counted the pulses correctly, it is not pulsing the correct > number of times to play the selection made. The letter pulses is always > correct, but the number pulses are off. Not sure exactly where to > start.usually off my one or two..ie select E15, plays E16...or select D15, > plays D13. There are some selections that play correctly every time > though. > How can I differentiate between the pulse stepper not pulsing correctly or > the selector not sending the correct selection to the pulse selector? > > > > Thanks again for the help. > > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From berrycbell at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 11:50:13 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Sun Apr 26 11:57:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental II canceling selections/Auto Mix Unit Message-ID: Hello Gentlemen, Two problems have reared their ugly heads almost simultaneously with my AMI Continental II 200 play juke. It has been working trouble free for 8 or 9 years. All of a sudden, some of the selector pins are no longer canceling. I have viewed the action with the back doors open, and the cancel lever is not striking the pin upon stopping to make the selection. I thought for a moment it was only not canceling the A sides, but some of the B sides also are not canceling. In addition, my Auto-mix unit is stuck on 33 1/3 rpms. All songs are playing now at this speed...I have a manual, but there is not alot about the functionality of this unit in my manual. Doesn't seem like my two problems are related, it just so happens they have both started at the same time. Thank you, Berry Bell From 19k20 at comcast.net Sun Apr 26 13:47:01 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sun Apr 26 13:48:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector In-Reply-To: <001d01c9c673$d3ac8f90$6101a8c0@Dirksen> References: <000901c9c628$1ff9dcf0$5fed96d0$@net> <001d01c9c673$d3ac8f90$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <001101c9c6b0$26f23100$74d69300$@net> Thanks for all the replies. I noticed the wiper contact blade screws were a little loose when I took the wiper contact off the commutator(sp) disk on the selector. Replaced and securely tightened screws back, being careful not to overtighten and strip. Wiped down the contacts on the commutator(sp). All selections select properly. Next issue. Dropping coins in, buzzes the credit mech, but does not move the wiper arm off the home position. I can manually advance the wiper arm......but what a pain to always open the selector and move the arm each time......Is there a way to Free Play the G200? Thanks again. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of dirksenj@bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:35 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector If you can hear that it is one pulse less, I would suspect the pulse generator and keyboard rather than the pulse converter. Select A1, A2. A3, etc until it selects one number off. Verify that it is really that same one number off on several different letter selections. Then check that pushbutton switch and the wiring to it. I recently fixed a K200 where the #9 pushbutton switch wire was just twisted and never soldered to the terminal. If they check out OK, check that rivet on the pulse generator to be sure the wiper is touching it. Check the wire underneath the rivet to be sure it is still soldered properly. Don't dive into the pulse converter until you have eliminated the easy stuff first. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ssg Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 12:33 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector >I have counted pulses and the my G200 frequently play the wrong selection. > If I have counted the pulses correctly, it is not pulsing the correct > number of times to play the selection made. The letter pulses is always > correct, but the number pulses are off. Not sure exactly where to > start.usually off my one or two..ie select E15, plays E16...or select D15, > plays D13. There are some selections that play correctly every time > though. > How can I differentiate between the pulse stepper not pulsing correctly or > the selector not sending the correct selection to the pulse selector? > > > > Thanks again for the help. > > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2078 - Release Date: 04/26/09 09:44:00 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Apr 26 15:31:39 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Apr 26 15:33:15 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector Message-ID: <870618.30462.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Is there a way to Free Play the G200? Here's a diecription I did back in 2003... ==== Cut Here ==== >From jukebox-list-admin@lists.netlojix.com Tue Jan 14 10:13:25 PST 2003 From: "David Breneman" Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI F-G on Freeplay? In-Reply-To: <20030114101301.G1578@pro-ns.net> from Steve Wahl at Jan "14," 2003 "10:13:01" am Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:09:35 -0800 (PST) OK, as suspected the credit units on the G-[40,80,120] and the G-200 are different. So, this only works for the 200s. I tried to find a picture but couldn't, and it's a little too complicated to deplicate in ASCII art, so here's a description of jeeping a 200 for free plays: The credit accumulator consists of a fiber board with several conductive rings on it, and an armature that moves clockwise or counterclockwise to add or delete credits. If you're looking at the board, notice the round-head Phillips drive machine screw in the lower left corner which is one of several such screws attaching the board to its frame. Going up (clockwise) from this screw, you first come to a terminal with a brown wire attached (we'll call this terminal 1). Then you come to a terminal attached to the outermost ring (2), placing it slightly to the right of the other terminals, which has a black wire attached. Then there is a terminal with no visible wire attached (3), followed by a terminal with an orange wire attached (4). (Next there is a terminal with a green wire attached, just FYI.) To set the machine for free plays, run a jumper between terminal 2 (black) and terminal 4 (orange). Since the armature is (typically) already at the end of its travel, no coin credit lights will be on, but the machine will accept selections. Further, the armature will continue to behave as normal, so any coins deposited will register credits, and any selections made will deduct them. Jumpering the accumulator this way does not close any coils or relays that would not normally be closed at rest, it simply provides power to the selector full-time. The only difference in the at-rest state of the machine is that the selector motor will move ahead to the button-latch position after a selection is made, rather than stopping at the button-release position as it would if all accumulated credits had been used. I've left this machine like this for 20 years with no ill effects. All I use for a jumper is a short length of single-conductor telephone wire (like you'd get out of a 25-pair telephone cable) with the stripped ends wrapped around the exposed conductors of the wires on the terminals. No need even to solder it. Hope this helps someone... -- David Breneman | "Before there were CDs there were Distributed Systems S/W Analyst | records, and before there were Airborne Express, Inc. | records, there were 78s." david.breneman@airborne.com | --- Seen on eBay ==== Cut Here ==== From 19k20 at comcast.net Sun Apr 26 17:11:35 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sun Apr 26 17:13:18 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector In-Reply-To: <870618.30462.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <870618.30462.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003001c9c6cc$baa60400$2ff20c00$@net> Sorry David....little dense here. Am I looking up in the selector mech for the credit accumulator, or is it down in the pulse stepper area. I looked in my G200 manual, but didn't find the exact reference. Sorry to be so dense about this!!! Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 5:32 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Is there a way to Free Play the G200? Here's a diecription I did back in 2003... ==== Cut Here ==== >From jukebox-list-admin@lists.netlojix.com Tue Jan 14 10:13:25 PST 2003 From: "David Breneman" Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI F-G on Freeplay? In-Reply-To: <20030114101301.G1578@pro-ns.net> from Steve Wahl at Jan "14," 2003 "10:13:01" am Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:09:35 -0800 (PST) OK, as suspected the credit units on the G-[40,80,120] and the G-200 are different. So, this only works for the 200s. I tried to find a picture but couldn't, and it's a little too complicated to deplicate in ASCII art, so here's a description of jeeping a 200 for free plays: The credit accumulator consists of a fiber board with several conductive rings on it, and an armature that moves clockwise or counterclockwise to add or delete credits. If you're looking at the board, notice the round-head Phillips drive machine screw in the lower left corner which is one of several such screws attaching the board to its frame. Going up (clockwise) from this screw, you first come to a terminal with a brown wire attached (we'll call this terminal 1). Then you come to a terminal attached to the outermost ring (2), placing it slightly to the right of the other terminals, which has a black wire attached. Then there is a terminal with no visible wire attached (3), followed by a terminal with an orange wire attached (4). (Next there is a terminal with a green wire attached, just FYI.) To set the machine for free plays, run a jumper between terminal 2 (black) and terminal 4 (orange). Since the armature is (typically) already at the end of its travel, no coin credit lights will be on, but the machine will accept selections. Further, the armature will continue to behave as normal, so any coins deposited will register credits, and any selections made will deduct them. Jumpering the accumulator this way does not close any coils or relays that would not normally be closed at rest, it simply provides power to the selector full-time. The only difference in the at-rest state of the machine is that the selector motor will move ahead to the button-latch position after a selection is made, rather than stopping at the button-release position as it would if all accumulated credits had been used. I've left this machine like this for 20 years with no ill effects. All I use for a jumper is a short length of single-conductor telephone wire (like you'd get out of a 25-pair telephone cable) with the stripped ends wrapped around the exposed conductors of the wires on the terminals. No need even to solder it. Hope this helps someone... -- David Breneman | "Before there were CDs there were Distributed Systems S/W Analyst | records, and before there were Airborne Express, Inc. | records, there were 78s." david.breneman@airborne.com | --- Seen on eBay ==== Cut Here ==== _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2078 - Release Date: 04/26/09 09:44:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Apr 26 17:19:07 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Apr 26 17:20:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector Message-ID: <470479.85454.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guys, Not having seen a G in years--gotta question--Can't one just open the credit cancel solenoid, and add credits ? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 5:11 PM Sorry David....little dense here.? Am I looking up in the selector mech for the credit accumulator, or is it down in the pulse stepper area.? I looked in my G200 manual, but didn't find the exact reference. Sorry to be so dense about this!!! Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 5:32 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Is there a way to Free Play the G200? Here's a diecription I did back in 2003... ==== Cut Here ==== >From jukebox-list-admin@lists.netlojix.com Tue Jan 14 10:13:25 PST 2003 From: "David Breneman" Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI F-G on Freeplay? In-Reply-To: <20030114101301.G1578@pro-ns.net> from Steve Wahl at Jan ? ? ? ? "14," 2003 "10:13:01" am Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:09:35 -0800 (PST) OK, as suspected the credit units on the G-[40,80,120] and the G-200 are different.? So, this only works for the 200s.? I tried to find a picture but couldn't, and it's a little too complicated to deplicate in ASCII art, so here's a description of jeeping a 200 for free plays: The credit accumulator consists of a fiber board with several conductive rings on it, and an armature that moves clockwise or counterclockwise to add or delete credits.? If you're looking at the board, notice the round-head Phillips drive machine screw in the lower left corner which is one of several such screws attaching the board to its frame. Going up (clockwise) from this screw, you first come to a terminal with a brown wire attached (we'll call this terminal 1). Then you come to a terminal attached to the outermost ring (2), placing it slightly to the right of the other terminals, which has a black wire attached.? Then there is a terminal with no visible wire attached (3), followed by a terminal with an orange wire attached (4).? (Next there is a terminal with a green wire attached, just FYI.)? To set the machine for free plays, run a jumper between terminal 2 (black) and terminal 4 (orange). Since the armature is (typically) already at the end of its travel, no coin credit lights will be on, but the machine will accept selections.? Further, the armature will continue to behave as normal, so any coins deposited will register credits, and any selections made will deduct them.? Jumpering the accumulator this way does not close any coils or relays that would not normally be closed at rest, it simply provides power to the selector full-time.? The only difference in the at-rest state of the machine is that the selector motor will move ahead to the button-latch position after a selection is made, rather than stopping at the button-release position as it would if all accumulated credits had been used.? I've left this machine like this for 20 years with no ill effects.? All I use for a jumper is a short length of single-conductor telephone wire (like you'd get out of a 25-pair telephone cable) with the stripped ends wrapped around the exposed conductors of the wires on the terminals.? No need even to solder it. Hope this helps someone... -- David Breneman? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???| "Before there were CDs there were Distributed Systems S/W Analyst? |? records, and before there were Airborne Express, Inc.? ? ? ? ???|? records, there were 78s.." david.breneman@airborne.com? ? ? |? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? --- Seen on eBay ==== Cut Here ==== ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2078 - Release Date: 04/26/09 09:44:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Apr 26 17:55:41 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Apr 26 17:57:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector Message-ID: <842282.88197.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Sorry David....little dense > here. Am I looking up in the selector mech for > the credit accumulator, or is it down in the pulse stepper > area. I looked > in my G200 manual, but didn't find the exact reference. > > Sorry to be so dense about this!!! Hey, the first tenet of good techical writing is to confuse the reader into submission, then you can tell him anything you want! :-) The credit accumulator is mounted on the front door. If you open the door and look at the back side of it, the slug rejector is on your left, and the credit unit is just to the right of the middle of the door. Although, as I look at my manual, it seems to describe the type of credit unit used in the 40-120 models (ie, insert one coin and use those credits, then insert another). This is not an accumulator, but a simple coin-by-coin credit unit. Maybe the early G-200s had such a unit? I don't know. The 40-120 credit unit is a thin metal box. The 200 credit unit mine has (which isn't enclosed) takes up a more cubical area within the cabinet. These instructions pertain only to the accumulator type credit unit. Is this clearer or murkier? :-) From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Apr 26 17:58:09 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Apr 26 17:59:46 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector Message-ID: <849448.35739.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Not having seen a G in years--gotta question--Can't one > just open the credit cancel solenoid, and add credits ? Also doable, but this method doesn't involve cutting or disconnecting any wires. And it will "simulate" non- free-play behavior if you have gullible guests. :-) From 19k20 at comcast.net Sun Apr 26 18:43:10 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sun Apr 26 18:44:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector In-Reply-To: <842282.88197.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <842282.88197.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003101c9c6d9$85e2b580$91a82080$@net> No wonder I don't see what you are referring to....I don't have a credit accumulator attached to the inside of the door. All I have is the slug rejecter with the coin paddles attached to it. There is a modular plug attached to it and to the credit unit. When I manually trip a coin paddle, the magnets on the credit unit buzz and release a pin....however the wiper arm does not move off of the home position. If I touch it(wiper arm)...even slightly, it will move...I think it is not making a good connection when energized. I am going to try and clean it up a little to see if that helps. I don't mind using coins to play....but need it to work one way or the other. Without a credit accumulator, it might be the other..... Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:56 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Sorry David....little dense > here. Am I looking up in the selector mech for > the credit accumulator, or is it down in the pulse stepper > area. I looked > in my G200 manual, but didn't find the exact reference. > > Sorry to be so dense about this!!! Hey, the first tenet of good techical writing is to confuse the reader into submission, then you can tell him anything you want! :-) The credit accumulator is mounted on the front door. If you open the door and look at the back side of it, the slug rejector is on your left, and the credit unit is just to the right of the middle of the door. Although, as I look at my manual, it seems to describe the type of credit unit used in the 40-120 models (ie, insert one coin and use those credits, then insert another). This is not an accumulator, but a simple coin-by-coin credit unit. Maybe the early G-200s had such a unit? I don't know. The 40-120 credit unit is a thin metal box. The 200 credit unit mine has (which isn't enclosed) takes up a more cubical area within the cabinet. These instructions pertain only to the accumulator type credit unit. Is this clearer or murkier? :-) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2078 - Release Date: 04/26/09 09:44:00 From 19k20 at comcast.net Sun Apr 26 20:35:46 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sun Apr 26 20:37:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector In-Reply-To: <003101c9c6d9$85e2b580$91a82080$@net> References: <842282.88197.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003101c9c6d9$85e2b580$91a82080$@net> Message-ID: <003201c9c6e9$40fe3150$c2fa93f0$@net> Cleaned the home position contact but did not good. Started to look at the main credit switch....two sets of leaf switches that get switched by a nylon plate that is moved by pins released by the credit magnets. My manual shows a picture of this switch and it is possible that mine is out of adjustment. Will read up on it and see if I can get it adjusted correctly. What a PItA!.....Go Wurli ;-) Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ssg Rich Myers Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:43 PM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector No wonder I don't see what you are referring to....I don't have a credit accumulator attached to the inside of the door. All I have is the slug rejecter with the coin paddles attached to it. There is a modular plug attached to it and to the credit unit. When I manually trip a coin paddle, the magnets on the credit unit buzz and release a pin....however the wiper arm does not move off of the home position. If I touch it(wiper arm)...even slightly, it will move...I think it is not making a good connection when energized. I am going to try and clean it up a little to see if that helps. I don't mind using coins to play....but need it to work one way or the other. Without a credit accumulator, it might be the other..... Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:56 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Sorry David....little dense > here. Am I looking up in the selector mech for > the credit accumulator, or is it down in the pulse stepper > area. I looked > in my G200 manual, but didn't find the exact reference. > > Sorry to be so dense about this!!! Hey, the first tenet of good techical writing is to confuse the reader into submission, then you can tell him anything you want! :-) The credit accumulator is mounted on the front door. If you open the door and look at the back side of it, the slug rejector is on your left, and the credit unit is just to the right of the middle of the door. Although, as I look at my manual, it seems to describe the type of credit unit used in the 40-120 models (ie, insert one coin and use those credits, then insert another). This is not an accumulator, but a simple coin-by-coin credit unit. Maybe the early G-200s had such a unit? I don't know. The 40-120 credit unit is a thin metal box. The 200 credit unit mine has (which isn't enclosed) takes up a more cubical area within the cabinet. These instructions pertain only to the accumulator type credit unit. Is this clearer or murkier? :-) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2078 - Release Date: 04/26/09 09:44:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Apr 26 20:47:00 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Apr 26 20:48:35 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector Message-ID: <65386.6202.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guess I'm just a KISS man--thanks, David --- On Sun, 4/26/09, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 5:58 PM --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Ron Rich wrote: > Not having seen a G in years--gotta question--Can't one > just open the credit cancel solenoid, and add credits ? Also doable, but this method doesn't involve cutting or disconnecting any wires.? And it will "simulate" non- free-play behavior if you have gullible guests. :-) ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From berrycbell at gmail.com Mon Apr 27 07:01:03 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Mon Apr 27 07:03:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Already a subscriber? Message-ID: Hello, I thought I was already a subscriber to the list, as I receive it daily to my: berrycbell@gmail.com email. I wanted to post a question about my AMI Continental II (which I did yesterday) but haven't received any replies. I'm thinking that possibly I"m not shown as a registered member, even though I get daily responses? My name is: Berry C. Bell Elgin, IL I don't really need to receive the lists to BOTH email addressess.....my original email? berrycbell@gmail.com is fine or if you prefer to use the one I just registered: juke1515@gmail.com this is fine too. Sorry for any confusion. Sincerely, Berry C. Bell I really like the list serve, and enjoy all the topics and input. Thank you for doing this. From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon Apr 27 07:08:02 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon Apr 27 07:09:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Already a subscriber? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Berry, I saw your message, so it DID get out. Thomas On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Berry Bell wrote: > Hello, > > I thought I was already a subscriber to the list, as I receive it daily to > my: berrycbell@gmail.com email. > > I wanted to post a question about my AMI Continental II (which I did > yesterday) but haven't received any replies. I'm thinking that possibly > I"m > not shown as a registered member, even though I get daily responses? > > My name is: > > Berry C. Bell > Elgin, IL > > I don't really need to receive the lists to BOTH email addressess.....my > original email? berrycbell@gmail.com is fine or if you prefer to use the > one I just registered: juke1515@gmail.com this is fine too. > > Sorry for any confusion. > > Sincerely, > Berry C. Bell > > I really like the list serve, and enjoy all the topics and input. Thank > you > for doing this. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From berrycbell at gmail.com Mon Apr 27 07:11:26 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Mon Apr 27 07:18:58 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Already a subscriber? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you Thomas. Berry On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Thomas Teeter wrote: > Hello Berry, I saw your message, so it DID get out. > > Thomas > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Berry Bell wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I thought I was already a subscriber to the list, as I receive it daily > to > > my: berrycbell@gmail.com email. > > > > I wanted to post a question about my AMI Continental II (which I did > > yesterday) but haven't received any replies. I'm thinking that possibly > > I"m > > not shown as a registered member, even though I get daily responses? > > > > My name is: > > > > Berry C. Bell > > Elgin, IL > > > > I don't really need to receive the lists to BOTH email addressess.....my > > original email? berrycbell@gmail.com is fine or if you prefer to use > the > > one I just registered: juke1515@gmail.com this is fine too. > > > > Sorry for any confusion. > > > > Sincerely, > > Berry C. Bell > > > > I really like the list serve, and enjoy all the topics and input. Thank > > you > > for doing this. > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Apr 27 08:43:54 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Apr 27 08:45:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Already a subscriber? Message-ID: <191091.53132.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Barry, Click on the lowest blue "url" at the bottom of this post--re-read the information. Most answers are posted here if, when, someone knows the answer. Perhaps no one knows the answer to your question ? I remember seeing it, but do not recall the question--guess I had "no answer"--?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Berry Bell wrote: From: Berry Bell Subject: [Jukebox-list] Already a subscriber? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 7:01 AM Hello, I thought I was already a subscriber to the list, as I receive it daily to my:? berrycbell@gmail.com email. I wanted to post a question about my AMI Continental II (which I did yesterday) but haven't received any replies.? I'm thinking that possibly I"m not shown as a registered member, even though I get daily responses? My name is: Berry C. Bell Elgin, IL I don't really need to receive the lists to BOTH email addressess.....my original email?? berrycbell@gmail.com is fine or if you prefer to use the one I just registered:? juke1515@gmail.com this is fine too. Sorry for any confusion. Sincerely, Berry C. Bell I really like the list serve, and enjoy all the topics and input.? Thank you for doing this. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Apr 27 10:02:50 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Apr 27 10:04:32 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490 -S2 Computer ? Message-ID: <349983.68837.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, I have a customer that owns a RockOla 490 phono, which uses the "S-2" computer. He sent me the computer because the "battery went dead". I changed it and sent it back, but he can't get it to work on "free play" now. He says that he followed the instructions, but they are confusing---anyone remember all of the "secrets" for doing that?? BTW, this is the same computer that was used on the "Nostalgia" ( #1000) model (and others?)--TIA !? Ron Rich From ccos at knology.net Mon Apr 27 10:14:40 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (Karl N Hjort) Date: Mon Apr 27 10:16:28 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490 -S2 Computer ? In-Reply-To: <349983.68837.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <349983.68837.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c9c75b$a6842800$f38c7800$@net> Hey Ron, if it helps any, I remember that the instructions to set those Rocks on freeplay are confusing.....hehehehe. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:03 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490 -S2 Computer ? Hi All, I have a customer that owns a RockOla 490 phono, which uses the "S-2" computer. He sent me the computer because the "battery went dead". I changed it and sent it back, but he can't get it to work on "free play" now. He says that he followed the instructions, but they are confusing---anyone remember all of the "secrets" for doing that?? BTW, this is the same computer that was used on the "Nostalgia" ( #1000) model (and others?)--TIA !? Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Mon Apr 27 11:21:01 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Apr 27 11:22:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Continental II canceling selections/Auto Mix Unit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F5F78D.6070408@telus.net> Berry Bell wrote: > Hello Gentlemen, > > Two problems have reared their ugly heads almost simultaneously with my AMI > Continental II 200 play juke. It has been working trouble free for 8 or 9 > years. All of a sudden, some of the selector pins are no longer canceling. > I have viewed the action with the back doors open, and the cancel lever is > not striking the pin upon stopping to make the selection. I thought for a > moment it was only not canceling the A sides, but some of the B sides also > are not canceling. > > In addition, my Auto-mix unit is stuck on 33 1/3 rpms. All songs are > playing now at this speed...I have a manual, but there is not alot about the > functionality of this unit in my manual. Doesn't seem like my two problems > are related, it just so happens they have both started at the same time. > > Thank you, > Berry Bell Hi Berry, Common problems with the AMI jukeboxes - including the Continental series - include: Gummed selection pins due to the use of oil or WD-40 - these are not to be lubricated! The wiper ring blades that connect the ferris wheel drum electricals to the machine are dirty. The microswitches that control the selection and cancel of the pins are faulty. The cam switches (blade style for the G through K, microswitch after) are faulty. I have some of this shown on my AMI support page: http://flippers.com/ami-rowe.html I do plan on doing some videos and extend the information when I have some time. Your auto-mix should reset to 45RPM after every record, the fact that it does not indicates gummed up mechanical linkage parts. -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Apr 27 11:56:47 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (19k20@comcast.net) Date: Mon Apr 27 11:58:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo 45 Rpm test records Message-ID: <64407893.1906011240858607101.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Anyone know where I might obtain one? I would like to test my jukes for stereo seperation, distortion, and so on. Has anyone had any luck with them, or a wast of time? Thanks. Rich From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Apr 27 12:44:05 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Apr 27 12:45:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490 -S2 Computer ? Message-ID: <288703.30662.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Karl----Duh--ugh, thanks, I guess--Ron Rich --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Karl N Hjort wrote: From: Karl N Hjort Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490 -S2 Computer ? To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 10:14 AM Hey Ron, if it helps any, I remember that the instructions to set those Rocks on freeplay are confusing.....hehehehe. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:03 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490 -S2 Computer ? Hi All, I have a customer that owns a RockOla 490 phono, which uses the "S-2" computer. He sent me the computer because the "battery went dead". I changed it and sent it back, but he can't get it to work on "free play" now. He says that he followed the instructions, but they are confusing---anyone remember all of the "secrets" for doing that?? BTW, this is the same computer that was used on the "Nostalgia" ( #1000) model (and others?)--TIA !? Ron Rich ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ddmaow at yahoo.com Mon Apr 27 14:19:19 2009 From: ddmaow at yahoo.com (Di Di Mao) Date: Mon Apr 27 14:39:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wallox & code converter Message-ID: <104558.86152.qm@web45404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello again everyone. My fascination with all things jukebox continues. :) I am interested in information about the Rowe WRE/WRF wallbox. I know there is a manual, because I tried to buy one on ebay only to be told by the seller that he couldn't find it. :( I can't find one anywhere else now. If anyone has a copy they can scan, or wishes to sell, etc. please let me know. I am interested in any info you may have, especially schematics. I also have a a Rowe Wall Box Code Converter, part number 601-07676. Does anyone know what this is for? I need info for this, too, including wiring hookup info, service info and schematics. Thanks for any help you can be! ddmaow(at)yahoo(dot)com From raker14 at tampabay.rr.com Mon Apr 27 14:55:08 2009 From: raker14 at tampabay.rr.com (Robert Aker) Date: Mon Apr 27 15:02:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wallox & code converter References: <104558.86152.qm@web45404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c9c782$d4f93eb0$0201a8c0@desktop> Bruce Wentworth sells this manual at http://www.abjukeboxrepair.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Di Di Mao" To: "JukeList" Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:19 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wallox & code converter > > Hello again everyone. My fascination with all things jukebox continues. > :) > > I am interested in information about the Rowe WRE/WRF wallbox. I know > there is a manual, because I tried to buy one on ebay only to be told by > the seller that he couldn't find it. :( I can't find one anywhere else > now. > > If anyone has a copy they can scan, or wishes to sell, etc. please let me > know. I am interested in any info you may have, especially schematics. > > I also have a a Rowe Wall Box Code Converter, part number 601-07676. Does > anyone know what this is for? I need info for this, too, including wiring > hookup info, service info and schematics. > > Thanks for any help you can be! > > ddmaow(at)yahoo(dot)com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon Apr 27 15:02:05 2009 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon Apr 27 15:03:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wallox & code converter In-Reply-To: <104558.86152.qm@web45404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <104558.86152.qm@web45404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There indeed is a manual for it, and SOMEWHERE I know I have at least a photocopy of it. I just started the process of both moving to a new house and moving my shop to the new house. If I come across it, I will contact you unless somebody beats me to it. It might take me a little while... :) Thomas On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Di Di Mao wrote: > > Hello again everyone. My fascination with all things jukebox continues. :) > > I am interested in information about the Rowe WRE/WRF wallbox. I know > there is a manual, because I tried to buy one on ebay only to be told by the > seller that he couldn't find it. :( I can't find one anywhere else now. > > If anyone has a copy they can scan, or wishes to sell, etc. please let me > know. I am interested in any info you may have, especially schematics. > > I also have a a Rowe Wall Box Code Converter, part number 601-07676. Does > anyone know what this is for? I need info for this, too, including wiring > hookup info, service info and schematics. > > Thanks for any help you can be! > > ddmaow(at)yahoo(dot)com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Mon Apr 27 16:02:08 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Mon Apr 27 16:03:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life In-Reply-To: <440273.12903.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <440273.12903.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49F63970.2000801@sparksandarcs.net> These are C cells, what appear to be "factory" sizing from according to the notes pasted inside the MCU casing. Thanks! Ron Rich wrote: > What size cells are you using ? Which MPU is installed ? Ron Rich > > --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Carmack wrote: > > > From: Carmack > Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 9:29 PM > > > Hey guys/gals > > I got my SMC-2 running reasonably now after replacing the motor mounts -- BTW The "standard" Seeburg mounts DO NOT fit. They are actually too large for the motor used in my SMC2. I ended up shimming the space between the bits with a ring made from a flat capstan belt from a tape recorder. Trim to fit the circumference and it squeezes in nicely. > > I seem to be running through batteries in the MCU used for backup of the memory, using alkaline Energiezers or Duracells. Like many of you I don't keep my jukes plugged in or otherwise powered unless it's playing. I keep them on switched power strips for safety. Of course when the batteries go dead, the computer forgets it was on free play and it takes lifting the lid to get to that credit switch enabling free play again.... > > What to check in the MCU? The sticker inside the cabinet says "Replace batteries yearly". I'm lucky to get more than a couple of months! > Thank you > Mike Carmack > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From bud43 at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 27 16:10:34 2009 From: bud43 at sbcglobal.net (Howard Wintermantel) Date: Mon Apr 27 16:18:52 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490 -S2 Computer ? In-Reply-To: <349983.68837.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <275404.56265.qm@web82401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, Here are the not to complicated steps to set up free play on a S-2 Computer. ? 1 Press the advance button on S-1 till the light is on coin set ? 2. Press S-3 it now should be on free play At this point the plays should read 99 Hope this helps. ? Bud Magalia Ca Beyond Paradise --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490 -S2 Computer ? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 10:02 AM Hi All, I have a customer that owns a RockOla 490 phono, which uses the "S-2" computer. He sent me the computer because the "battery went dead". I changed it and sent it back, but he can't get it to work on "free play" now. He says that he followed the instructions, but they are confusing---anyone remember all of the "secrets" for doing that?? BTW, this is the same computer that was used on the "Nostalgia" ( #1000) model (and others?)--TIA !? Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Apr 27 16:32:18 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Apr 27 16:33:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life Message-ID: <207813.59235.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> OK, those are correct--You did not tell me which MPU you have--but try the following-- Make a paste of baking soda and water, and clean/rinse all of the terminals for the cells. then tighten (squeeze) the terminal "arms" ("posts") so that they hold the cells VERY tightly. Then install two fresh c cells. Turn the power on, allow the computer to boot up-(mech will stop past record space #179--be sure service/audit switches are in "run" or "normal" position)? Once the computer is up, install the last c cell with the power ON.? Always change cells as above, when they are bad. If the cells are still good, change all three, with the power on-- They should last at least 6 months. If you are using coins--remove the cells, and forget about them-- Ron Rich? ? ? ? ? --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Carmack wrote: From: Carmack Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 4:02 PM These are C cells, what appear to be "factory" sizing from according to the notes pasted inside the MCU casing. Thanks! Ron Rich wrote: > What size cells are you using ????Which MPU is installed ?? Ron Rich > > --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Carmack wrote: > > > From: Carmack > Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 9:29 PM > > > Hey guys/gals > > I got my SMC-2 running reasonably now after replacing the motor mounts -- BTW The "standard" Seeburg mounts DO NOT fit.? They are actually too large for the motor used in my SMC2.? I ended up shimming the space between the bits with a ring made from a flat capstan belt from a tape recorder.? Trim to fit the circumference and it squeezes in nicely. > > I seem to be running through batteries in the MCU used for backup of the memory, using alkaline Energiezers or Duracells.? Like many of you I don't keep my jukes plugged in or otherwise powered unless it's playing.? I keep them on switched power strips for safety.? Of course when the batteries go dead, the computer forgets it was on free play and it takes lifting the lid to get to that credit switch enabling free play again.... > > What to check in the MCU?? The sticker inside the cabinet says "Replace batteries yearly".? I'm lucky to get more than a couple of months! > Thank you > Mike Carmack > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > >? ? ??? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >??? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Apr 27 16:37:49 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Apr 27 16:39:27 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490 -S2 Computer ? Message-ID: <878071.34664.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks Bud--I'll let him know--Ron Rich --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Howard Wintermantel wrote: From: Howard Wintermantel Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490 -S2 Computer ? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 4:10 PM Ron, Here are the not to complicated steps to set up free play on a S-2 Computer. ? 1 Press the advance button on S-1 till the light is on coin set ? 2. Press S-3 it now should be on free play At this point the plays should read 99 Hope this helps. ? Bud Magalia Ca Beyond Paradise --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490 -S2 Computer ? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 10:02 AM Hi All, I have a customer that owns a RockOla 490 phono, which uses the "S-2" computer. He sent me the computer because the "battery went dead". I changed it and sent it back, but he can't get it to work on "free play" now. He says that he followed the instructions, but they are confusing---anyone remember all of the "secrets" for doing that?? BTW, this is the same computer that was used on the "Nostalgia" ( #1000) model (and others?)--TIA !? Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Homer87015 at aol.com Tue Apr 28 01:15:59 2009 From: Homer87015 at aol.com (Homer87015@aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 28 01:24:29 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo 45 Rpm test records Message-ID: Hi, would you believe I sold one on eBay ( UK ) a couple of months ago ! Never tried it because my jukes are Mono and I have a LP test record for my Hi-Fi . Seem to remember it was a DECCA f f s s one . Maybe there are others about ? Best Wishes, Nige. From gcernetig at comcast.net Tue Apr 28 10:29:23 2009 From: gcernetig at comcast.net (George Cernetig) Date: Tue Apr 28 10:40:16 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 616-A Manual Message-ID: Anyone out there in jukebox-land know where I can pick up a copy of the Wurlitzer 616-A service manual or schematic? I've tried all the obvious places. Thanks in advance, George From p.hagens at wxs.nl Tue Apr 28 12:53:37 2009 From: p.hagens at wxs.nl (Piet Hagens) Date: Tue Apr 28 12:55:03 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 616-A Manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000101c9c83b$0533b430$0f9b1c90$@hagens@wxs.nl> Hello, We have this manual for all models form 500 up to 800 complete with parts and schematics. See: http://tinyurl.com/c6kok9 Greetings, Piet -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Namens George Cernetig Verzonden: dinsdag 28 april 2009 19:29 Aan: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Onderwerp: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 616-A Manual Anyone out there in jukebox-land know where I can pick up a copy of the Wurlitzer 616-A service manual or schematic? I've tried all the obvious places. Thanks in advance, George _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Tue Apr 28 14:04:12 2009 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Tue Apr 28 14:05:51 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB AMI I corner trim from speaker grill Message-ID: <9E83378CBCF24B01BAE226685DF03CAE@JUKEBUS> I'm still looking for 1 of the small corner trim parts that cover the join between the side and bottom trim strips round the edges of the speaker grill on the AMI I. Also looking for a cash box (metal) for this model. Let me know if have either of these for sale. Thanks, Adrian. From gibson510 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 28 18:25:08 2009 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Tue Apr 28 18:26:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1484 for sale Message-ID: I have a customer's machine that they would like to sell. If anyone has an interest in it contact me off the list for details. Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_042009 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Apr 28 19:48:06 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Apr 28 19:49:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg $ bill mtg kit Message-ID: <147563.91866.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To the person that wanted a dollar bill unit and mounting kit for a Seeburg STD model--contact me off list--found em, and working dollar bill acceptor too !--? ronnnrich@yahoo.com -- Ron Rich From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Apr 28 20:05:48 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue Apr 28 20:07:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector In-Reply-To: <003201c9c6e9$40fe3150$c2fa93f0$@net> References: <842282.88197.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003101c9c6d9$85e2b580$91a82080$@net> <003201c9c6e9$40fe3150$c2fa93f0$@net> Message-ID: <000301c9c877$6601fec0$3205fc40$@net> Update: Spoke with Dan Colabuno out in Ohio this evening. He told me the G didn't have a credit accumulator. The H series was the first to have one. Anyways, I was able to bias the selector wiper arm a bit since there was power to the home position on the commutator. I am able to establish credit with coin......which is okay with me.. SO....G200 now plays selected record and will add and subtract credits. Thanks to Jim Alexander for passing his name to me. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ssg Rich Myers Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 10:36 PM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector Cleaned the home position contact but did not good. Started to look at the main credit switch....two sets of leaf switches that get switched by a nylon plate that is moved by pins released by the credit magnets. My manual shows a picture of this switch and it is possible that mine is out of adjustment. Will read up on it and see if I can get it adjusted correctly. What a PItA!.....Go Wurli ;-) Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ssg Rich Myers Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:43 PM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector No wonder I don't see what you are referring to....I don't have a credit accumulator attached to the inside of the door. All I have is the slug rejecter with the coin paddles attached to it. There is a modular plug attached to it and to the credit unit. When I manually trip a coin paddle, the magnets on the credit unit buzz and release a pin....however the wiper arm does not move off of the home position. If I touch it(wiper arm)...even slightly, it will move...I think it is not making a good connection when energized. I am going to try and clean it up a little to see if that helps. I don't mind using coins to play....but need it to work one way or the other. Without a credit accumulator, it might be the other..... Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:56 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Sorry David....little dense > here. Am I looking up in the selector mech for > the credit accumulator, or is it down in the pulse stepper > area. I looked > in my G200 manual, but didn't find the exact reference. > > Sorry to be so dense about this!!! Hey, the first tenet of good techical writing is to confuse the reader into submission, then you can tell him anything you want! :-) The credit accumulator is mounted on the front door. If you open the door and look at the back side of it, the slug rejector is on your left, and the credit unit is just to the right of the middle of the door. Although, as I look at my manual, it seems to describe the type of credit unit used in the 40-120 models (ie, insert one coin and use those credits, then insert another). This is not an accumulator, but a simple coin-by-coin credit unit. Maybe the early G-200s had such a unit? I don't know. The 40-120 credit unit is a thin metal box. The 200 credit unit mine has (which isn't enclosed) takes up a more cubical area within the cabinet. These instructions pertain only to the accumulator type credit unit. Is this clearer or murkier? :-) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2078 - Release Date: 04/26/09 09:44:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2078 - Release Date: 04/26/09 09:44:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2078 - Release Date: 04/26/09 09:44:00 From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Apr 28 20:07:28 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue Apr 28 20:09:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Bill Butterfield Message-ID: <000401c9c877$a1be0c60$e53a2520$@net> Anyone heard from Bill lately? I have dropped him a couple of emails this month and called his number, but no answer on the phone and no return emails. Hopefully he is on a buying spree ;-) Just checking...Thanks Rich From jmc at sparksandarcs.net Tue Apr 28 20:27:34 2009 From: jmc at sparksandarcs.net (Carmack) Date: Tue Apr 28 20:29:11 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life In-Reply-To: <207813.59235.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <207813.59235.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49F7C926.9010002@sparksandarcs.net> Thank you for your help Ron. It's marked as an MCU3.....I'll give that a go and see what happens. I've previously cleaned and tightened the contacts prior to putting in the last set. I hadn't realized there was a specific sequence for putting those batteries in. Ron Rich wrote: > OK, those are correct--You did not tell me which MPU you have--but try the following-- > Make a paste of baking soda and water, and clean/rinse all of the terminals for the cells. then tighten (squeeze) the terminal "arms" ("posts") so that they hold the cells VERY tightly. Then install two fresh c cells. Turn the power on, allow the computer to boot up-(mech will stop past record space #179--be sure service/audit switches are in "run" or "normal" position) Once the computer is up, install the last c cell with the power ON. Always change cells as above, when they are bad. If the cells are still good, change all three, with the power on-- > They should last at least 6 months. If you are using coins--remove the cells, and forget about them-- Ron Rich > > > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Carmack wrote: > > > From: Carmack > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 4:02 PM > > > These are C cells, what appear to be "factory" sizing from according to > the notes pasted inside the MCU casing. > > Thanks! > > Ron Rich wrote: > >> What size cells are you using ? Which MPU is installed ? Ron Rich >> >> --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Carmack wrote: >> >> >> From: Carmack >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 9:29 PM >> >> >> Hey guys/gals >> >> I got my SMC-2 running reasonably now after replacing the motor mounts -- BTW The "standard" Seeburg mounts DO NOT fit. They are actually too large for the motor used in my SMC2. I ended up shimming the space between the bits with a ring made from a flat capstan belt from a tape recorder. Trim to fit the circumference and it squeezes in nicely. >> >> I seem to be running through batteries in the MCU used for backup of the memory, using alkaline Energiezers or Duracells. Like many of you I don't keep my jukes plugged in or otherwise powered unless it's playing. I keep them on switched power strips for safety. Of course when the batteries go dead, the computer forgets it was on free play and it takes lifting the lid to get to that credit switch enabling free play again.... >> >> What to check in the MCU? The sticker inside the cabinet says "Replace batteries yearly". I'm lucky to get more than a couple of months! >> Thank you >> Mike Carmack >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From jugert at msn.com Tue Apr 28 20:32:11 2009 From: jugert at msn.com (jugert@msn.com) Date: Tue Apr 28 20:33:45 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Bill Butterfield In-Reply-To: <000401c9c877$a1be0c60$e53a2520$@net> References: <000401c9c877$a1be0c60$e53a2520$@net> Message-ID: I emailed Bill the end of March and it took him a couple of weeks to respond. If my old memory is correct he was out of town and was not going to be back home until May. Don Jugert Colorful Colorado > From: 19k20@comcast.net > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:07:28 -0500 > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Bill Butterfield > > Anyone heard from Bill lately? I have dropped him a couple of emails this > month and called his number, but no answer on the phone and no return > emails. Hopefully he is on a buying spree ;-) > > > > Just checking...Thanks > > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ddmaow at yahoo.com Tue Apr 28 21:39:08 2009 From: ddmaow at yahoo.com (Di Di Mao) Date: Tue Apr 28 21:46:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Bill Butterfield Message-ID: <79636.27750.qm@web45414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> When last I heard from Mr. Butterfield he said he was on the east coast and wouldn't be back until early July. From pinball at telus.net Tue Apr 28 22:25:21 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Apr 28 22:26:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life In-Reply-To: <207813.59235.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <207813.59235.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49F7E4C1.1020309@telus.net> Ron Rich wrote: > OK, those are correct--You did not tell me which MPU you have--but try the following-- > Make a paste of baking soda and water, and clean/rinse all of the terminals for the cells. then tighten (squeeze) the terminal "arms" ("posts") so that they hold the cells VERY tightly. Then install two fresh c cells. Turn the power on, allow the computer to boot up-(mech will stop past record space #179--be sure service/audit switches are in "run" or "normal" position) Once the computer is up, install the last c cell with the power ON. Always change cells as above, when they are bad. If the cells are still good, change all three, with the power on-- > They should last at least 6 months. If you are using coins--remove the cells, and forget about them-- Ron Rich > > > Please, do _/*NOT*/_ use baking powder and water to try to neutralize battery leakage - this will only make things worse. C cell batteries (or almost any small battery) leak an alkali (Alkaline batteries, eh?) and that is base. Baking powder is also a base. To neutralize a base you need to use acid...diluted white vinegar works a treat, then wash with clean water. Read my web page on battery leakage and how to deal with it: http://flippers.com/battery.html John :-#)# > > > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Carmack wrote: > > > From: Carmack > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 4:02 PM > > > These are C cells, what appear to be "factory" sizing from according to > the notes pasted inside the MCU casing. > > Thanks! > > Ron Rich wrote: > >> What size cells are you using ? Which MPU is installed ? Ron Rich >> >> --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Carmack wrote: >> >> >> From: Carmack >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 9:29 PM >> >> >> Hey guys/gals >> >> I got my SMC-2 running reasonably now after replacing the motor mounts -- BTW The "standard" Seeburg mounts DO NOT fit. They are actually too large for the motor used in my SMC2. I ended up shimming the space between the bits with a ring made from a flat capstan belt from a tape recorder. Trim to fit the circumference and it squeezes in nicely. >> >> I seem to be running through batteries in the MCU used for backup of the memory, using alkaline Energiezers or Duracells. Like many of you I don't keep my jukes plugged in or otherwise powered unless it's playing. I keep them on switched power strips for safety. Of course when the batteries go dead, the computer forgets it was on free play and it takes lifting the lid to get to that credit switch enabling free play again.... >> >> What to check in the MCU? The sticker inside the cabinet says "Replace batteries yearly". I'm lucky to get more than a couple of months! >> Thank you >> Mike Carmack >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pinball at telus.net Tue Apr 28 22:28:13 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Apr 28 22:29:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Bill Butterfield In-Reply-To: <000401c9c877$a1be0c60$e53a2520$@net> References: <000401c9c877$a1be0c60$e53a2520$@net> Message-ID: <49F7E56D.4090107@telus.net> Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > Anyone heard from Bill lately? I have dropped him a couple of emails this > month and called his number, but no answer on the phone and no return > emails. Hopefully he is on a buying spree ;-) > > > > Just checking...Thanks > > > > Rich > I ordered a part from him on March 25, this was included his reply (including the red bit): I have to ship this tomorrow, we leave Friday for Chicago and we won't be home until July. I'm trying to be closed now but I keep getting emails. *Wednesday, March 25th, is my last shipping day before we go on vacation. No business will be conducted after March 25th until we open up again.* ** So, wait until July is my advice! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From roy at 01datacopy.nl Wed Apr 29 01:42:09 2009 From: roy at 01datacopy.nl (Roy Kleijn) Date: Wed Apr 29 02:08:50 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 616 (A) amplifier schematic In-Reply-To: <20090428190004.99963AAB32@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20090428190004.99963AAB32@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <49F812E1.4020403@01datacopy.nl> Hi George, I got a 616 wich is almost the same as the 616a. It's hard to get a manual, but anyother 12 or 16 play Wurlitzer manual will help you a lot. I only got a schematic for the amplifier here. It's a copy of a copy, but readable. If you like i can send it to you by email. Roy From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 06:40:36 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Apr 29 06:42:21 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector Message-ID: <685562.17771.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Spoke with Dan Colabuno out in Ohio this evening. He > told me the G didn't > have a credit accumulator. The H series was the first > to have one. What does yours say on the green glass under the selection buttons? Mine is labeled 5 cents, 10 cents, 15 cents or more. Just curious if they were all labelled that way. I have a hard time believing that an operator would go to the effort of modifying this machine, especially when I've talked to at least one other person who has an accumulator in a G-200 as well. This looks like a factory installation to me. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 08:13:16 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Apr 29 08:15:00 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Bill Butterfield Message-ID: <676642.288.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rich, Yep--that's exactly what he's doing--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Bill Butterfield To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 8:07 PM Anyone heard from Bill lately?? I have dropped him a couple of emails this month and called his number,? but no answer on the phone and no return emails.? Hopefully he is on a buying spree ;-) Just checking...Thanks Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 08:19:02 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Apr 29 08:20:47 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life Message-ID: <978117.46407.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> There was a "sticker" on the MPU's that informed of that sequence--probably fell off--MCU-4's had it "silk screened" on the MCU cover--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Carmack wrote: From: Carmack Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 8:27 PM Thank you for your help Ron.? It's marked as an MCU3.....I'll give that a go and see what happens.? I've previously cleaned and tightened the contacts prior to putting in the last set.? I hadn't realized there was a specific sequence for putting those batteries in. Ron Rich wrote: > OK, those are correct--You did not tell me which MPU you have--but try the following-- > Make a paste of baking soda and water, and clean/rinse all of the terminals for the cells. then tighten (squeeze) the terminal "arms" ("posts") so that they hold the cells VERY tightly. Then install two fresh c cells. Turn the power on, allow the computer to boot up-(mech will stop past record space #179--be sure service/audit switches are in "run" or "normal" position)? Once the computer is up, install the last c cell with the power ON.? Always change cells as above, when they are bad. If the cells are still good, change all three, with the power on-- > They should last at least 6 months. If you are using coins--remove the cells, and forget about them-- Ron Rich? ??? > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Carmack wrote: > > > From: Carmack > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 4:02 PM > > > These are C cells, what appear to be "factory" sizing from according to the notes pasted inside the MCU casing. > > Thanks! > > Ron Rich wrote: >??? >> What size cells are you using ????Which MPU is installed ?? Ron Rich >> >> --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Carmack wrote: >> >> >> From: Carmack >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 9:29 PM >> >> >> Hey guys/gals >> >> I got my SMC-2 running reasonably now after replacing the motor mounts -- BTW The "standard" Seeburg mounts DO NOT fit.? They are actually too large for the motor used in my SMC2.? I ended up shimming the space between the bits with a ring made from a flat capstan belt from a tape recorder.? Trim to fit the circumference and it squeezes in nicely. >> >> I seem to be running through batteries in the MCU used for backup of the memory, using alkaline Energiezers or Duracells.? Like many of you I don't keep my jukes plugged in or otherwise powered unless it's playing.? I keep them on switched power strips for safety.? Of course when the batteries go dead, the computer forgets it was on free play and it takes lifting the lid to get to that credit switch enabling free play again.... >> >> What to check in the MCU?? The sticker inside the cabinet says "Replace batteries yearly".? I'm lucky to get more than a couple of months! Thank you >> Mike Carmack >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >>? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >>? ? ? ? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > >? ? ???_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >??? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 08:19:29 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Apr 29 08:21:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life Message-ID: <719181.13067.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> There was a "sticker" on the MPU's that informed of that sequence--probably fell off--MCU-4's had it "silk screened" on the MCU cover--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Carmack wrote: From: Carmack Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 8:27 PM Thank you for your help Ron.? It's marked as an MCU3.....I'll give that a go and see what happens.? I've previously cleaned and tightened the contacts prior to putting in the last set.? I hadn't realized there was a specific sequence for putting those batteries in. Ron Rich wrote: > OK, those are correct--You did not tell me which MPU you have--but try the following-- > Make a paste of baking soda and water, and clean/rinse all of the terminals for the cells. then tighten (squeeze) the terminal "arms" ("posts") so that they hold the cells VERY tightly. Then install two fresh c cells. Turn the power on, allow the computer to boot up-(mech will stop past record space #179--be sure service/audit switches are in "run" or "normal" position)? Once the computer is up, install the last c cell with the power ON.? Always change cells as above, when they are bad. If the cells are still good, change all three, with the power on-- > They should last at least 6 months. If you are using coins--remove the cells, and forget about them-- Ron Rich? ??? > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Carmack wrote: > > > From: Carmack > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 4:02 PM > > > These are C cells, what appear to be "factory" sizing from according to the notes pasted inside the MCU casing. > > Thanks! > > Ron Rich wrote: >??? >> What size cells are you using ????Which MPU is installed ?? Ron Rich >> >> --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Carmack wrote: >> >> >> From: Carmack >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 9:29 PM >> >> >> Hey guys/gals >> >> I got my SMC-2 running reasonably now after replacing the motor mounts -- BTW The "standard" Seeburg mounts DO NOT fit.? They are actually too large for the motor used in my SMC2.? I ended up shimming the space between the bits with a ring made from a flat capstan belt from a tape recorder.? Trim to fit the circumference and it squeezes in nicely. >> >> I seem to be running through batteries in the MCU used for backup of the memory, using alkaline Energiezers or Duracells.? Like many of you I don't keep my jukes plugged in or otherwise powered unless it's playing.? I keep them on switched power strips for safety.? Of course when the batteries go dead, the computer forgets it was on free play and it takes lifting the lid to get to that credit switch enabling free play again.... >> >> What to check in the MCU?? The sticker inside the cabinet says "Replace batteries yearly".? I'm lucky to get more than a couple of months! Thank you >> Mike Carmack >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >>? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >>? ? ? ? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > >? ? ???_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >??? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 08:23:13 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Apr 29 08:24:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life Message-ID: <610548.62454.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, Cool--thanks for the correction / info !? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 4/28/09, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:25 PM Ron Rich wrote: > OK, those are correct--You did not tell me which MPU you have--but try the following-- > Make a paste of baking soda and water, and clean/rinse all of the terminals for the cells. then tighten (squeeze) the terminal "arms" ("posts") so that they hold the cells VERY tightly. Then install two fresh c cells. Turn the power on, allow the computer to boot up-(mech will stop past record space #179--be sure service/audit switches are in "run" or "normal" position)? Once the computer is up, install the last c cell with the power ON.? Always change cells as above, when they are bad. If the cells are still good, change all three, with the power on-- > They should last at least 6 months. If you are using coins--remove the cells, and forget about them-- Ron Rich? ??? Please, do _/*NOT*/_ use baking powder and water to try to neutralize battery leakage - this will only make things worse. C cell batteries (or almost any small battery) leak an alkali (Alkaline batteries, eh?) and that is base. Baking powder is also a base. To neutralize a base you need to use acid...diluted white vinegar works a treat, then wash with clean water. Read my web page on battery leakage and how to deal with it: http://flippers.com/battery.html John :-#)# >??? > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Carmack wrote: > > > From: Carmack > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 4:02 PM > > > These are C cells, what appear to be "factory" sizing from according to the notes pasted inside the MCU casing. > > Thanks! > > Ron Rich wrote: >??? >> What size cells are you using ????Which MPU is installed ?? Ron Rich >> >> --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Carmack wrote: >> >> >> From: Carmack >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-2 SternBerg battery life >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 9:29 PM >> >> >> Hey guys/gals >> >> I got my SMC-2 running reasonably now after replacing the motor mounts -- BTW The "standard" Seeburg mounts DO NOT fit.? They are actually too large for the motor used in my SMC2.? I ended up shimming the space between the bits with a ring made from a flat capstan belt from a tape recorder.? Trim to fit the circumference and it squeezes in nicely. >> >> I seem to be running through batteries in the MCU used for backup of the memory, using alkaline Energiezers or Duracells.? Like many of you I don't keep my jukes plugged in or otherwise powered unless it's playing.? I keep them on switched power strips for safety.? Of course when the batteries go dead, the computer forgets it was on free play and it takes lifting the lid to get to that credit switch enabling free play again.... >> >> What to check in the MCU?? The sticker inside the cabinet says "Replace batteries yearly".? I'm lucky to get more than a couple of months! Thank you >> Mike Carmack >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >>? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >>? ? ? ? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > >? ? ???_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >??? -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Wed Apr 29 08:50:07 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (Karl N Hjort) Date: Wed Apr 29 08:51:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Bill Butterfield In-Reply-To: <676642.288.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <676642.288.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004e01c9c8e2$2b9bba80$82d32f80$@net> Hey Ron, I have some Seeburg mech parts (I think ???) that I ran across the other day, that I will never use. If you will contact me off list, I will send you a picture of them and, if you want them, I'll send em to ya. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:13 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Bill Butterfield Rich, Yep--that's exactly what he's doing--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Bill Butterfield To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 8:07 PM Anyone heard from Bill lately?? I have dropped him a couple of emails this month and called his number,? but no answer on the phone and no return emails.? Hopefully he is on a buying spree ;-) Just checking...Thanks Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Apr 29 08:48:22 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Apr 29 08:52:05 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo 45 Rpm test records Message-ID: <20090429.114822.10916.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: One of the most recent test performance records that I'm aware of was issued by Crown audio (manufacturers of high-end pro sound equipment) in the late 70's. Their test record was issued as a 12" 33 1/3 RPM format only. I believe this record was part of a marketing effort to help "sell" Crown's model IMA distortion analyzer, a new piece of test equipment being offered to service professionals at the time. I've kept a copy of this test record. It would be helpful to have a 7" test record for analyzing jukebox changer/cartridge performance. I'm assuming that no one has offered one as there has been little market demand for it. One would think that it wouldn't involve a big production cost to put together such a disc. A record would be helpful to verify channel separation, TT rumble, wow and flutter tests. Most equipment servicers already have the tone generators, pink noise sources,etc in their test equipment. (A signal chain distortion test can't be accomplished with just a source ((test record))---a specialized piece of read out equipment will be needed.) Why not make a 4 minute length test recording of basic test signals on CD or tape and ask one of the custom record-cutting services (there are usually several advertising in Always Jukin') to press the test onto a 45 RPM record? There seems to be enough alternate, more reliable testing formats to replicate all the tests needed for speakers, electronics,etc without having to rely upon the variances that can happen using a test record as a primary source. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Be your own boss. Click here for information on starting your own business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRRJUVA6aQukVfpzkXEk4xWam5fWnhuG4HbTu8V3ICElkul9KuDEs/ From ccos at knology.net Wed Apr 29 08:59:28 2009 From: ccos at knology.net (Karl N Hjort) Date: Wed Apr 29 08:59:33 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo 45 Rpm test records In-Reply-To: <20090429.114822.10916.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090429.114822.10916.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <004f01c9c8e3$79c1df90$6d459eb0$@net> Hey Jim, I have a customer looking for some repair help in the East Point area (not far from you?). If you're interested in adding to your case load, contact me off list ccos@knology.net . Thanks, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop www.columbuscoinopshop.com 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 Shop: 706-507-2963 Cell: 706-442-4263 -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:48 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Stereo 45 Rpm test records Gentlemen: One of the most recent test performance records that I'm aware of was issued by Crown audio (manufacturers of high-end pro sound equipment) in the late 70's. Their test record was issued as a 12" 33 1/3 RPM format only. I believe this record was part of a marketing effort to help "sell" Crown's model IMA distortion analyzer, a new piece of test equipment being offered to service professionals at the time. I've kept a copy of this test record. It would be helpful to have a 7" test record for analyzing jukebox changer/cartridge performance. I'm assuming that no one has offered one as there has been little market demand for it. One would think that it wouldn't involve a big production cost to put together such a disc. A record would be helpful to verify channel separation, TT rumble, wow and flutter tests. Most equipment servicers already have the tone generators, pink noise sources,etc in their test equipment. (A signal chain distortion test can't be accomplished with just a source ((test record))---a specialized piece of read out equipment will be needed.) Why not make a 4 minute length test recording of basic test signals on CD or tape and ask one of the custom record-cutting services (there are usually several advertising in Always Jukin') to press the test onto a 45 RPM record? There seems to be enough alternate, more reliable testing formats to replicate all the tests needed for speakers, electronics,etc without having to rely upon the variances that can happen using a test record as a primary source. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Be your own boss. Click here for information on starting your own business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRRJUVA6aQukVfpzkXEk4xW am5fWnhuG4HbTu8V3ICElkul9KuDEs/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Apr 29 09:09:41 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Apr 29 09:12:23 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector Message-ID: <20090429.120941.10916.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I worked in a vending company's service shop during the early 60's that had a large jukebox route. They had mostly Wurlitzer, some Seeburg, and a few RockOla pieces. Most of the 50's-early 60's era jukes were hand-wired,hand-assembled machines that were not mass-produced.You did see variations of circuits,wiring changes within a model run of a machine. Of the three manufacturers, Seeburg was the most uniform. New jukeboxes,as sold, went from manufacturer to an area distributor (many of whom had in-house tech facilities to handle warranty repairs or requests for "customization" by operator-owners.) Between these two, it was often possible to see unique circuitry changes within a jukebox. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Contractor Training - Click Here http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbjI9jpdd327tL9ZHPwpJ7suJqirkkAoC5M7nCxPmQOIZ4fM4oD3i/ From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Apr 29 11:18:50 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (19k20@comcast.net) Date: Wed Apr 29 11:20:30 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo 45 Rpm test records In-Reply-To: <20090429.114822.10916.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <1549511429.2827931241029130336.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I have seen three Seeburg 220/222 stereo test records sell on Ebay this week from $32 to $85. That is a little expensive for my blood. I like Jim's idea and would purchase one if available......unless someone wanted $85 for it.... ;-) Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:48:22 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Stereo 45 Rpm test records Gentlemen: One of the most recent test performance records that I'm aware of was issued by Crown audio (manufacturers of high-end pro sound equipment) in the late 70's. Their test record was issued as a 12" 33 1/3 RPM format only. I believe this record was part of a marketing effort to help "sell" Crown's model IMA distortion analyzer, a new piece of test equipment being offered to service professionals at the time. I've kept a copy of this test record. It would be helpful to have a 7" test record for analyzing jukebox changer/cartridge performance. I'm assuming that no one has offered one as there has been little market demand for it. One would think that it wouldn't involve a big production cost to put together such a disc. A record would be helpful to verify channel separation, TT rumble, wow and flutter tests. Most equipment servicers already have the tone generators, pink noise sources,etc in their test equipment. (A signal chain distortion test can't be accomplished with just a source ((test record))---a specialized piece of read out equipment will be needed.) Why not make a 4 minute length test recording of basic test signals on CD or tape and ask one of the custom record-cutting services (there are usually several advertising in Always Jukin') to press the test onto a 45 RPM record? There seems to be enough alternate, more reliable testing formats to replicate all the tests needed for speakers, electronics,etc without having to rely upon the variances that can happen using a test record as a primary source. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Be your own boss. Click here for information on starting your own business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRRJUVA6aQukVfpzkXEk4xWam5fWnhuG4HbTu8V3ICElkul9KuDEs/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bobe at halted.com Wed Apr 29 11:21:54 2009 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Wed Apr 29 11:36:42 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo 45 Rpm test records Message-ID: <2.2.32.20090429182154.009a1418@hsces.com> At 06:18 PM 4/29/2009 +0000, you wrote: >I have seen three Seeburg 220/222 stereo test records sell on Ebay this week from $32 to $85. That is a little expensive for my blood. I like Jim's idea and would purchase one if available......unless someone wanted $85 for it.... ;-) Are those 220/222 records really "test" records, or are they more like stereo "demonstration" records? I have one, but I haven't been able to listen to it since it's cracked all the way through! --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Apr 29 11:35:20 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (19k20@comcast.net) Date: Wed Apr 29 11:36:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector In-Reply-To: <685562.17771.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <396595813.2837111241030120430.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> So I don't confuse anyone any farther. Here is a link to my AMi photos. Hopefully will answer any questions. it is possible when this machine was restored 10 or so years ago....parts were left off. I have noticed some nuts and bolts missing....like that secure the outside turntable covers, that give tehn the abilit y to raise up. Mine just lift out. I don't have a total played counter and I cant easily rest the reset teh popularity meter without removing the leading edge piece from the front of the turntable....BUT....now it selects as good as it sounds and I can add credits with a quarter. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/AMI/ Feel free to back up to the parent directory and browse my other juke folders. I really should get thes out on photobucket or something.....would be easier to look at. Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:40:36 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Spoke with Dan Colabuno out in Ohio this evening. He > told me the G didn't > have a credit accumulator. The H series was the first > to have one. What does yours say on the green glass under the selection buttons? Mine is labeled 5 cents, 10 cents, 15 cents or more. Just curious if they were all labelled that way. I have a hard time believing that an operator would go to the effort of modifying this machine, especially when I've talked to at least one other person who has an accumulator in a G-200 as well. This looks like a factory installation to me. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Apr 29 11:50:33 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (19k20@comcast.net) Date: Wed Apr 29 11:52:12 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo 45 Rpm test records In-Reply-To: <1945504842.2843441241030961392.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1119875202.2843871241031033355.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Good question Bob. I think I read in a description somewhere that Side 1 discussed installing the juke and side 2 had some stereo music. I believe the 220 and 222 were Seeburgs first stereo jukes so hopefully they presented music that would really show off the stereo seperation. At $85.....i guess i will never know. Those 22/222 owners REALLY want to own that record. Heck, you might be able to get $40 for yours. Better yet, break it in half and you still might get $40.....for each half.....lol Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Ellingson" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:21:54 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Stereo 45 Rpm test records At 06:18 PM 4/29/2009 +0000, you wrote: >I have seen three Seeburg 220/222 stereo test records sell on Ebay this week from $32 to $85. That is a little expensive for my blood. I like Jim's idea and would purchase one if available......unless someone wanted $85 for it.... ;-) Are those 220/222 records really "test" records, or are they more like stereo "demonstration" records? I have one, but I haven't been able to listen to it since it's cracked all the way through! --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 14:02:30 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Apr 29 14:04:09 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector Message-ID: <897780.24347.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 4/29/09, 19k20@comcast.net <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > So I don't confuse anyone any > farther. Here is a link to my AMi photos. Hopefully will > answer any questions. This raises a question. ami8.jpg shows that the panel under the selection buttons is marked differently than mine. I can't read what it says, but it's definitely different. What does it say? > I really should get thes out on > photobucket or something.....would be easier to look at. No, actually, this is much easier to navigate than those html and script intensive hosting "services." KISS! From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Apr 29 14:23:46 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Apr 29 14:26:41 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo 45 Rpm test records Message-ID: <20090429.172346.19748.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Topic # 1 Has anyone on this forum had a 45 RPM record custom-cut by one of the services advertising for this type of business? The services advertise that you can have a 45 record, for your jukebox, cut from your supplied recording (various media) that is limited to a given length of playing time. (usually 4 to 5 minutes, max.) What is the quality of the end product? Apparently these one of a kind recording services do not go through the expense of cutting a master, then pressing vinyl records from it. They are using some other technology to directly cut the record. What does the service cost if you wanted to have a very short production run of records made? (let's say a quantity of 25 pcs.) This might make a 45 RPM tech test record practical without a lot of financial pain. Topic # 2 Stereo sound test recordings using music. When stereo sound on vinyl first came out, many of the record labels brought out their own stereo test records of music in quantity,that were produced to show off your stereo system. The music arrangements were exaggerated that featured instruments "ping-ponging" from right to the left channels. Vocal recordings had call-and-response arrangements that did this. These records were available in either 12" or 7" format. The record labels I remember that had a lot of offerings were Command, Audio Fidelity, and HiFirecords. Warner Bros. (vitaphonic stereo) London (ffrr) and Mercury (living presence) had special high-quality pressings with both modern and classical music offerings,but most of these were 12" LP format. One would think that you could find some of these records at secondhand stores, flea markets, etc at low prices. These recordings do provide a great listening test for checking stereo separation, tracking distortion, cartridge /stylus problems in jukeboxes. Some 80's era rock singles use production mixes that are widely panned across the channels, that are good audio stress/ listening tests for a jukebox sound system. The Duran-Duran single "View To a Kill" (on Capitol)is good for this. Any of the few Pink Floyd singles (on Capitol or Columbia) is a good test. Michael Jackson's "Bad" (Epic) is a good tracking test. Most of the 70's Willie Nelson singles (Columbia) provide an accurate test for left-center-right balance and sonic accuracy. Most traditional recordings of an acoustic piano is a good "ear" test for wow and flutter problems. I'm sure that there are lot of others. I've noted the original issue record labels here, since some of the re-issue record labels (i.e. Collectibles, Eric,etc.)seem to be reformatting the original recordings. You can usually find these 45 records in good condition at near-giveaway prices these days. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to get high quality postcards printed fast and easy. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYY5k6XMWKLIGKKg2akPTJJOeXwg0VtW6BjmjJ8ZFpd6XFryQZDQFS/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 15:57:37 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Apr 29 15:58:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo 45 Rpm test records Message-ID: <589767.73144.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 4/29/09, James Alexander wrote: > Topic # 1 > Has anyone on this forum had a 45 RPM record custom-cut by > one of the services advertising for this type of > business?? I had one made maybe 10 years ago of a couple Christmas songs I'd recorded a friend playing. It get play only at Christmas time, but it's held up just fine. Quality of sound is as good as most 45s. > Apparently these one of a kind recording services do not go > through the expense of cutting a master, then pressing vinyl > records from it.? They are using some other technology > to directly cut the record. They cut them directly on a record lathe, but the one I got is not a lacquer-coated aluminum record of the type used for disk mastering. It's a molded (I think) vinyl blank. I'd never seen one like that. I guess it's a type of blank popular in the club scene for "dub plates" used by DJs. > What does the service cost if you wanted to have a very > short production run of records made?? (let's say a > quantity of 25 pcs.)? I think I paid, postage and everything, about $25 for mine. I don't know at what point it's cheaper to press records, but the setup fee is (last time I checked) many hundreds of dollars. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 16:34:08 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Apr 29 16:35:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo 45 Rpm test records Message-ID: <616814.10198.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob, They are test records--I have one somewhere, and will bring it down next trip--IF, I remember--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 4/29/09, Bob Ellingson wrote: From: Bob Ellingson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Stereo 45 Rpm test records To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 11:21 AM At 06:18 PM 4/29/2009 +0000, you wrote: >I have seen three Seeburg 220/222 stereo test records sell on Ebay this week from $32 to $85. That is a little expensive for my blood. I like Jim's idea and would purchase one if available......unless someone wanted $85 for it.... ;-) Are those 220/222 records really "test" records, or are they more like stereo "demonstration" records?? I have one, but I haven't been able to listen to it since it's cracked all the way through! --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson??? ??? ??? ??? ??? bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc.??? ??? ??? http://www.halted..com 3500 Ryder St.??? ??? ??? ??? ??? (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051? USA??? ??? ??? (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From s.cummings at comcast.net Wed Apr 29 17:13:39 2009 From: s.cummings at comcast.net (Scott Cummings) Date: Wed Apr 29 17:35:08 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating Message-ID: <895446966-1241050427-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-415267583-@bxe1086.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I know this has been the subject of discussion many times in the past, but it's been a while since I've seen the topic brought up, so I thought I'd see if there were any changes recently. In the past, Courtesy in IL and Speed and Sport were the recommended places for juke chrome work. I wanted to see if they were still the front runners amongst y'all and if so, which you prefer. I'm located in Chicago, so the proximity of Courtesy is MUCH more appealing, but not if S&S does a much better job. And now for the real argument starter - what to do with the aluminum trim on a Seeburg, such as the dome trim, which wasn't plated originally. Anyone have pros and cons? Seems like, although not as original, everything "metal" should be plated, or else it would look funny. That's just my opinion though. Thoughts? Thanks! From 19k20 at comcast.net Wed Apr 29 17:52:40 2009 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Wed Apr 29 17:54:25 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector In-Reply-To: <897780.24347.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <897780.24347.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01c9c92d$f73b26d0$e5b17470$@net> It says Select After Each Coin. I put a couple new pictures out there to look at. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/ami What does yours say? Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:03 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector --- On Wed, 4/29/09, 19k20@comcast.net <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > So I don't confuse anyone any > farther. Here is a link to my AMi photos. Hopefully will > answer any questions. This raises a question. ami8.jpg shows that the panel under the selection buttons is marked differently than mine. I can't read what it says, but it's definitely different. What does it say? > I really should get thes out on > photobucket or something.....would be easier to look at. No, actually, this is much easier to navigate than those html and script intensive hosting "services." KISS! _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.6/2084 - Release Date: 04/29/09 18:03:00 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 19:39:04 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Apr 29 19:40:31 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi G200 selector Message-ID: <687111.5666.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 4/29/09, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > It says Select After Each Coin. > I put a couple new pictures out there to > look at. http://myersjukes.mine.nu/ami > > What does yours say? Here are some shots of mine. Be forewarned, they are just crummy cell phone pictures, but they should be adequate to show the differences: http://www.tildebang.com/jukebox/images/credit-unit.jpg http://www.tildebang.com/jukebox/images/credit-light.jpg http://www.tildebang.com/jukebox/images/5-cent.jpg http://www.tildebang.com/jukebox/images/10-cent.jpg http://www.tildebang.com/jukebox/images/15-cent.jpg There are no holes in the door of mine to show where the coin switch wires would have been looped across the door as they are in your pictures. I'm pretty confident in suggesting that this was a factory option, perhaps late in the production run before the H model came out. The serial number of my machine is 356723. Does anyone know where that puts it in the production run? If anyone could produce a factory service bulletin for this modification it would be the proverbial icing on the cake. But again, like any research project, I'm completely amicable to being proven wrong. From ddmaow at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 21:20:26 2009 From: ddmaow at yahoo.com (Di Di Mao) Date: Wed Apr 29 21:21:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe WRC Wallbox Coin Mech Message-ID: <677947.70652.qm@web45403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I am in need of a coin mech for a Rowe WRC wallbox.I'm guessing this was a Coinco, does anyone know the model number? Anybody got a spare to sell? This should take nickles, dimes, quarters, AND fifty cent pieces, thanks, From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 23:43:29 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Apr 29 23:44:55 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe WRC Wallbox Coin Mech Message-ID: <276033.93041.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> If it's a four coin CoinCo, the base number is? 850.? I am unsure of the "dash" number.? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 4/29/09, Di Di Mao wrote: From: Di Di Mao Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe WRC Wallbox Coin Mech To: "JukeList" Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 9:20 PM I am in need of a coin mech for a Rowe WRC wallbox.I'm guessing this was a Coinco, does anyone know the model number?? Anybody got a spare to sell? This should take nickles, dimes, quarters, AND fifty cent pieces, thanks, ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Thu Apr 30 04:57:23 2009 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Thu Apr 30 04:59:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe WRC Wallbox Coin Mech References: <677947.70652.qm@web45403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <62D9CCE8E49B4D97B364C99CF7ED65EB@PAW> I do have: But will be out of office till the end of next week call me then. Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in business supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Plese respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM till 6 PM EST That's GMT-5 for those of you across the POND ----- Original Message ----- From: "Di Di Mao" To: "JukeList" Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:20 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe WRC Wallbox Coin Mech > > I am in need of a coin mech for a Rowe WRC wallbox.I'm guessing this was a > Coinco, does anyone know the model number? Anybody got a spare to sell? > This should take nickles, dimes, quarters, AND fifty cent pieces, thanks, > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From berrycbell at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 06:10:54 2009 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Thu Apr 30 06:12:59 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating In-Reply-To: <895446966-1241050427-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-415267583-@bxe1086.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <895446966-1241050427-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-415267583-@bxe1086.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Seeburg designers apparently didn't think those parts looked "funny" when not chrome plated, because that's the way they wanted them to look and I completely agree with their design. Courtesy does a fine job, let them know you want their best work. They have shown me in the past that you can do a cheap chrome job and a premium chrome job. The last chrome I had replated with them, I upgraded and got their best process and was very pleased. Speed and Sport, from what I've been told does exceptional work, but is more expensive......so, take your pick. Now......leave the aluminum, aluminum. Berry On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Scott Cummings wrote: > I know this has been the subject of discussion many times in the past, but > it's been a while since I've seen the topic brought up, so I thought I'd see > if there were any changes recently. > In the past, Courtesy in IL and Speed and Sport were the recommended places > for juke chrome work. I wanted to see if they were still the front runners > amongst y'all and if so, which you prefer. I'm located in Chicago, so the > proximity of Courtesy is MUCH more appealing, but not if S&S does a much > better job. > And now for the real argument starter - what to do with the aluminum trim > on a Seeburg, such as the dome trim, which wasn't plated originally. Anyone > have pros and cons? Seems like, although not as original, everything > "metal" should be plated, or else it would look funny. That's just my > opinion though. Thoughts? > > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Apr 30 08:14:57 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Apr 30 08:17:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo 45 Rpm test records Message-ID: <20090430.111457.17771.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Thanks, Dave: If the recording service is supplying dub plates (isn't this a modern-day version of an acetate disc?) for your custom record, aren't these only good for just a few plays before there's considerable groove wear/deterioration? I was considering the feasibility of putting together a 45 RPM test recording or, at minimum, making fresh copies of an existing older test record. Thanks for answering, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Advance your career with an online Master's Degree. Free info. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXUiEU4rCMY0SYnYE9Z2DQZsBB7l7LESyLbjsHfN9S5hPxZzBDC0I/ From Trollmasters at webtv.net Thu Apr 30 12:30:32 2009 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Thu Apr 30 12:32:04 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 950 Message-ID: <6872-49F9FC58-659@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Hello , does anyone have a wiring diagram for a Wurlitzer 950 that you could scan or fwd to me via e-mail , etc. Would appreciate it. thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Apr 30 12:51:08 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Apr 30 12:52:40 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Stereo 45 Rpm test records Message-ID: <118975.78768.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 4/30/09, James Alexander wrote: > If the recording service is supplying dub plates? > (isn't this a modern-day version of an acetate disc?) for > your custom record, aren't these only good for just a few > plays before there's considerable groove > wear/deterioration?? That's the case with real lacquer ("acetate" is actually a misnomer) blanks. The surface is pretty soft and will degrade unless it's played with a lightweight pickup. In a jukebox, you'd also risk edge chips to the lacquer coating (on the aluminum base) during the transfer to and from the rack. But this record I had made is not a lacquer blank, its some sort of solid plastic. I believe it's regular vinyl. I'd imaging you'd need a special cutting stylus to make these, but I'm not familiar with cutting this type of record. > I was considering the feasibility of putting together a 45 > RPM test recording or, at minimum, making fresh copies of an > existing older test record. Most of the guys who make these will cut them from a CD. I've even had a couple cylinder records cut from a CD! If you have a tone generator, you could run a 1kHz tone into first the left, then the right track of the CD burner to check for crosstalk. Then a run of tones from maybe 20 Hz to 20 kHz to test frequency response, etc. From pinball at telus.net Thu Apr 30 13:10:40 2009 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Apr 30 13:12:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wiring diagram - 1700 - 2200 remote volume control Message-ID: <49FA05C0.1070308@telus.net> Does anyone have this information? I've hunted for it in my filing cabinets but nothing (so far) has turned up. The manuals do not say much about remote volume that I can use - need to make one for a client. Note this is NOT a motorized remote, rather it is either a dual or single volume control with (perhaps) taps and a cancel button. I can make one by guess, but it would be nice to have the proper schematic...first request for this since I've been in business (25+ years) Thanks, John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Apr 30 13:56:13 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Apr 30 13:57:44 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490-2 lamps Message-ID: <430638.14761.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Anyne know the correct lamp # for the 16 "display" (or "attract") lamps used on a RockOla model 490-2 ?? TIA, Ron Rich From juke1515 at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 15:28:42 2009 From: juke1515 at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Thu Apr 30 15:56:13 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Best cartridge for Rockola Tempo II Stereo? Message-ID: <9fb7065e0904301528o7b1b0098sded03ab9bd1e7535@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I am simply not pleased with the sound quality of my Rockola Tempo II 1485 machine. I am using the Pfanstiehl P132 cartridge hooked up "out of phase" as recommended. Amplifier has been totally rebuilt with new 6973's. It just has too many highs in it, and lacks that good, solid bottom end. I also have the box hooked up to a pair of Rockola Stereo Twins (12" woofer and horn tweeter). I have plenty of volume, just not enough depth.....and actually some records sound distorted. Do all ceramic cartridges come up short to magnetic ones? Any suggestions would be most welcome. Thank you, Berry Bell From bud43 at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 30 15:55:50 2009 From: bud43 at sbcglobal.net (Howard Wintermantel) Date: Thu Apr 30 15:57:20 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490-2 lamps In-Reply-To: <430638.14761.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <776469.908.qm@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron. Is the bulb in the keyboard assembly? If it is it calls for a type #37 ? Bud Magalia Ca Beyond Paradise --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490-2 lamps To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 1:56 PM Hi All, Anyne know the correct lamp # for the 16 "display" (or "attract") lamps used on a RockOla model 490-2 ?? TIA, Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Apr 30 16:37:09 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Apr 30 16:38:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490-2 lamps Message-ID: <297104.88758.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bud, No, I am told that these are a "ring of lamps"--that only are for "display" or "attract" use-- I have not seen this phono--Thanks, Ron? --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Howard Wintermantel wrote: From: Howard Wintermantel Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490-2 lamps To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 3:55 PM Ron. Is the bulb in the keyboard assembly? If it is it calls for a type #37 ? Bud Magalia Ca Beyond Paradise --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490-2 lamps To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 1:56 PM Hi All, Anyne know the correct lamp # for the 16 "display" (or "attract") lamps used on a RockOla model 490-2 ?? TIA, Ron Rich ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Apr 30 16:44:00 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Apr 30 16:46:43 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Best cartridge for Rockola Tempo II Stereo? Message-ID: <20090430.194400.7414.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Hello Barry: To answer your questions briefly: A. Been there, done that using a RockOla 1495 Regis that I restored. The 1495 is slightly newer than yours but has the same essential amplifier and "hybrid" sound system. I'm an experienced electronics tech that knows sound systems. As originally wired, the console speakers in your Tempo (2 full range 12" Jensen P12R spkrs--some had an in-line cap/resistor high pass filter connecting to a high-freq. horn driver. This speaker system had the 2 12's wired in series to form one 8 ohm (more or less) circuit that connects to the stereo amp via the fader pot. To obtain 2 ch stereo, you need to use at least one ext. spkr in combination with the juke spkrs as the other channel. The hybrid mode switch should be in the stereo position. I found this setup to be lacking in audio performance. My customer wanted to be able to use the juke by itself in his rec. room, without other speakers. I rewired the console speakers so that 1 12" is it's own 8 ohm ckt. The 2nd spkr is wired as the Ch. 2 circuit, which consists of the 12" speaker and the HF horn. Connect the speakers to the left & right 8 ohm ext. speaker terminals, bypassing the fader circuit. Wire your ceramic phono cartridge channels to be in phase. (simplest way to do this will be to reverse the polarity of one cartridge channel at the pins of the cartridge.) You should find that this will give you more headroom (undistorted output) that will allow you to operate the machi ne's back-panel volume control at a lower setting to achieve the desired level. Because this is a loudness-compensated volume circuit, there should be a notably richer-sounding bass response. I'm not sure what loudness level you are expecting to get. Bear in mind that this amplifier is only capable of approx. 18 watts per channel before distortion sets in. For most applications this is plenty. In my case, I found that the 2 12" speaker cones had weathered with age (but still worked) that caused a loss of freq response, but no telltale rattles,scrapes that indicate a bad speaker.. The answer here is to either recone your speakers or replace them with new comparable-quality drive units. About cartridges: Magnetic cartridges in my opinion offer a truer sounding response, usually will track lighter and result in less record wear. I first replaced the defunct early-model Astatic stereo cartridge in the Regis with a Pickering NP-AC,running at 4.5 grams and an outboard preamp. While the sound quality playing records was good, the pre-amped circuit was susceptible to picking up static, noise etc from the gripper and basket motors. I tried any number of different phono wiring, grounding schemes, even locating the pre below the turntable without being able to fully eliminate all noise pickup. I installed a P132D ceramic cartridge,and removed the preamp. This solved the noise problem,and the sound quality is full-bodied. The low bass response is a little anemic compared to the magnetic cartridge's performance. The overall sound "resolution" is a little better with the mag. pickup. I'm aware that some mono versions of the RO Tempo's came equipped with GE mag cartridges. I believe that I read in this forum that someone successfully made a stereo mag conversion of one of the Tempo models without encountering noise problems. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYZUDO1W9ce7AedSP1BQOhmnEfiaYbdZKT0gvaCvd2JxaLX8wFNIi8/ From bud43 at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 30 17:53:17 2009 From: bud43 at sbcglobal.net (Howard Wintermantel) Date: Thu Apr 30 17:54:48 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490-2 lamps In-Reply-To: <297104.88758.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <827448.3162.qm@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, I could only find 3 types of lights in the parts manuel not counting the fluorescent bulbs. 2-Lamp type # 37 1-14V. .1 Amp 3-1/4 Dia. Led-Red ? I hope this helps ? Bud Magalia Ca. Beyond Paradise --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490-2 lamps To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 4:37 PM Bud, No, I am told that these are a "ring of lamps"--that only are for "display" or "attract" use-- I have not seen this phono--Thanks, Ron? --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Howard Wintermantel wrote: From: Howard Wintermantel Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490-2 lamps To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 3:55 PM Ron. Is the bulb in the keyboard assembly? If it is it calls for a type #37 ? Bud Magalia Ca Beyond Paradise --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490-2 lamps To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 1:56 PM Hi All, Anyne know the correct lamp # for the 16 "display" (or "attract") lamps used on a RockOla model 490-2 ?? TIA, Ron Rich ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tadpole17 at roadrunner.com Thu Apr 30 16:47:17 2009 From: tadpole17 at roadrunner.com (paul) Date: Thu Apr 30 18:45:17 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490-2 lamps References: <430638.14761.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <976DBC221E754B39B040F2CEC6AEF2C1@LITALIEN> they are #73 bulbs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:56 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490-2 lamps > Hi All, > Anyne know the correct lamp # for the 16 "display" (or "attract") lamps > used on a RockOla model 490-2 ?? TIA, Ron Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.9/2087 - Release Date: 04/29/09 18:03:00 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Apr 30 19:40:27 2009 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Apr 30 19:41:56 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490-2 lamps Message-ID: <366064.71708.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks Guys--Ron Rich --- On Thu, 4/30/09, paul wrote: From: paul Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490-2 lamps To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 4:47 PM they are #73 bulbs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:56 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] R/O 490-2 lamps > Hi All, > Anyne know the correct lamp # for the 16 "display" (or "attract") lamps used on a RockOla model 490-2 ?? TIA, Ron Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.9/2087 - Release Date: 04/29/09 18:03:00 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From james.lajb at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 19:41:25 2009 From: james.lajb at gmail.com (Jim Lajb) Date: Thu Apr 30 19:42:53 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome plating Message-ID: <672f89080904301941w74733aa9u2d2f9a4abc9227c3@mail.gmail.com> I've always dealt with Courtesy, and pleased with the results as well as the turn around time. I took the aluminum frame peices for my Seeburg G glass to a plating shop here in Detroit and had the pieces stripped, polished and re-annodized. I'd have to pull the receipts, I believe it was around $325, but they came back looking factory new. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Apr 30 23:02:17 2009 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Apr 30 23:04:38 2009 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wiring diagram - 1700 - 2200 remote volume control Message-ID: <20090501.020217.28805.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> John: Would a W1800 service manual have this schematic you're looking for? I have a complete 1800 manual in my library. Will scan or copy the page for you if that'll help. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYV7jAohJOxX7gjnOym6wDmf7hIydkPM1LTsTgpt50QZK1PHhaTaBy/