From tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 1 05:19:45 2008 From: tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net (mike) Date: Mon Sep 1 05:20:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light References: Message-ID: <00ef01c90c2d$05d58230$4a01a8c0@main> I don't think I have it any more but I do have a very nice original 1428 that probably has the lens intact. I may be able to scan it for you. You can make a decal or a make a reverse screen from a printable self adhesive label sheet so you could apply it to the back of the lens and paint it, like a stencil. Will see if mine is intact and worth removing to scan MRT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Wilson" To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:24 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light > Mike, > > > > Would you be willing to e-mail me that Word template, or at least let me > know the font you used, etc.? I'm at mw42080@hotmail.com. > > > > Also, was the light originally a certain color, or was it just white? > > > > > > Thanks so much, > > > > Mike W. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Mon Sep 1 06:47:07 2008 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Mon Sep 1 06:48:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light In-Reply-To: <00ef01c90c2d$05d58230$4a01a8c0@main> Message-ID: <349149.20528.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, I have the same issue with my 1426, so if you could post a scan for us to have a look, that would be appreciated. I have been asking around to see if anyone does a repro of this item, but it seems not. Unless anyone on the list knows of anyone making it. Thanks Gary From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Mon Sep 1 07:03:26 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Mon Sep 1 07:04:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes and arpartment dilemma ?? Headphones?? In-Reply-To: <000901c90bc5$00cda5f0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <969047.27658.qm@web54603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> There is a way to do it. What your need to do is pick up a female stereo chassis 1/4 inch jack and install it. usually in Stereos they use a resistor to drop the amount of current that goes through it so (1) you don't blow your headphones and (2) so you don't take out your ears as well. Most headphones only put out 100 to 300 milli watts. You certainly would not want to put more then that through the jack as I said above it would not work well for you or the headphones. I am not sure of the size of the resistor other then it would be a 1/2 watt type. Also you might want to insure its the type of jack that disconnects the speakers when your using the headphone part of it. You speakers are wired through it and when you insert your 1/4 plug from your headphones it will cut out the main speakers engage the resistor and your all set. As I said... many older stereos from the 1970's used this feature as I remember when I was a kid listening to the headphones (loud) and then someone would scream at me (calling me likely) and I would start to move towards them the jack would come out of the stereo and man it was blasting and then would really get yelled at LOL.. If you have an old stereo kicking around you?might open it up and see how they did it and just copy it. It should work well. ? Hope this helps, Regards Tony --- On Sun, 8/31/08, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes and arpartment dilemma ?? Headphones?? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 7:55 PM I don't know - jukeboxes and headphones just don't mix. Invite your neighbors over so you can play it loud. Jim ----- Original Message ---- From: "dguarino1" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes and arpartment dilemma ?? Headphones?? > Does this mean nobody has any advice on the headphone issue? > See original message. > > David G > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Breneman" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:18 PM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes and arpartment dilemma > > >> >> --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Lala Blah Blah wrote: >> >> > This myself I see as being quite short sighted >> > as the market WILL pick up eventually and those that are >> > buying up these machines and storeing them away for the good >> > times will be the ones that reap the rewards from have the >> > far sightedness to see there is a light at the end of the >> > tunnel. >> >> Good point. Every time the economy dips, there are people who >> will predict "good times are over". I lived through the 70s. >> Everyone then, from my school teachers to Jimmy Carter, was >> telling us that prosperity was over and to lower our expectations. >> Throughout history, those people have been wrong. The best time >> to buy anything is in a slump. Right now, suckers are buying >> gold. Why do you think there are so many ads on the radio >> selling it? >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From mw42080 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 1 08:10:20 2008 From: mw42080 at hotmail.com (Mike Wilson) Date: Mon Sep 1 08:16:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light Message-ID: Thanks Mike - anything you can provide would be great. Also, when you made yours with Word, how did you apply it to the lens since it is a dome, and not just a flat piece of glass? I guess I'm saying how did you put it in the dome and have it look normal (not distorted)? MW From mw42080 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 1 08:19:34 2008 From: mw42080 at hotmail.com (Mike Wilson) Date: Mon Sep 1 08:20:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to Change a Needle and a Thank You Message-ID: Thanks everyone - I have the older Astatic cartridge. It seems like I was able to change the needle, no problem. I say "seems", because in the process I somehow blew a tube?? I put the new needle in, and tried to play a record. It sounded fine for a few seconds, then there was a "pop" and then a loud humming sound behind the music. The humming went away, and now the music just sounds distorted. I can see that one of the 6L6G tubes is completely dark, and the other one is burning very brightly. Is this just a coincidence that the tube went when I was changing the needle? Should I assume it is just a bad tube, or is it more likely there is something else wrong with the amp that caused the tube to go? I just wanted to ask before I order a new tube. Also, is it better for these tubes to be replaced in pairs - do they need to be matched? Thanks all, Mike W. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Sep 1 09:07:03 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Sep 1 09:08:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to Change a Needle and a Thank You In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <776859.18916.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mike, The needle has no direct effect on a tube--just a bad tube, well, maybe. There also might be some internal issues in the amp, or maybe not. Impossible to say. "Matched set" ? Once again, I think it's a matter of opinion to a large degree. I would not use one new tube, with one old, very weak tube, as it's my OPINION (only) that this causes some strain in the amp., but others dis-agree. As far as the audio quality, I can not tell one way or the other--but I do have some hearing loss. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/1/08, Mike Wilson wrote: From: Mike Wilson Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to Change a Needle and a Thank You To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 1, 2008, 8:19 AM Thanks everyone - I have the older Astatic cartridge. It seems like I was able to change the needle, no problem. I say "seems", because in the process I somehow blew a tube?? I put the new needle in, and tried to play a record. It sounded fine for a few seconds, then there was a "pop" and then a loud humming sound behind the music. The humming went away, and now the music just sounds distorted. I can see that one of the 6L6G tubes is completely dark, and the other one is burning very brightly. Is this just a coincidence that the tube went when I was changing the needle? Should I assume it is just a bad tube, or is it more likely there is something else wrong with the amp that caused the tube to go? I just wanted to ask before I order a new tube. Also, is it better for these tubes to be replaced in pairs - do they need to be matched? Thanks all, Mike W. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Mon Sep 1 09:46:16 2008 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Mon Sep 1 09:47:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 6L6 tubes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <299746.10865.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, regarding repalcing your 6L6 tubes, I would suggest replacing with a good brand name. Some tubes are being made in China and Russia. I have been told to stay away from the Chinese ones (Shuguan). The Russian ones (Sovtek I think is the brand name) I have heard varying reports. Others on the list may have different views. The best sound I get from 6L6s is from NOS USA made RCA or Sylvania. I think they were also made by GE. Here In the UK Mullard was another common brand name. The very early ones were black and of a metal construction, and look a bit like a metal can capacitor but you probably would be better going for the newer glass tube type. There is a company called Electro Harmonics who make high quality new 6L6s for guitar amps etc. They sell them as matched pairs. I have noticed the price of good original 6L6s going up in price over the last year or so. Gary > > Is this just a coincidence that the tube went when I was > changing the > needle? Should I assume it is just a bad tube, or is it > more likely there > is something else wrong with the amp that caused the tube > to go? I just > wanted to ask before I order a new tube. > > > > Also, is it better for these tubes to be replaced in pairs > - do they need to > be matched? > > > > Thanks all, > > > > Mike W. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Sep 1 10:46:18 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Sep 1 10:47:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes and arpartment dilemma ?? Headphones?? In-Reply-To: <000901c90bc2$7a7ad100$df1f8b45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Message-ID: <315106.48621.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 8/31/08, dguarino1 wrote: > Does this mean nobody has any advice on the headphone issue? Listening to a juke box on headphones seems a little like watching Lawrence of Arabia on You Tube. I doubt if it's a subject many people have entertained. From tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 1 10:47:05 2008 From: tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net (mike) Date: Mon Sep 1 10:48:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light References: Message-ID: <02fa01c90c5a$c0217d60$4a01a8c0@main> The lens in my 1426 was loose from the bezel and could be pulled out easily. The decal was applied to the flat surface underside. As I recall the bottom surface was rough, and the decal didn't look that clear thru the marble shaped lens. It looked much better after I bonded it using clear epoxy. Here is a shot I just took of my unrestored 1428. I believe this box to be all original. Its lens is still swaged (sp?)into the bezel and not is removable like the 1426 was. This should give you an idea on size, style, and position of font http://www.miketyler.net/thank_you.jpg MRT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Wilson" To: Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light > Thanks Mike - anything you can provide would be great. > > > > Also, when you made yours with Word, how did you apply it to the lens > since > it is a dome, and not just a flat piece of glass? I guess I'm saying how > did you put it in the dome and have it look normal (not distorted)? > > > > MW > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Sep 1 10:57:20 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Sep 1 10:58:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light In-Reply-To: <02fa01c90c5a$c0217d60$4a01a8c0@main> Message-ID: <471511.72275.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Guy's, That MAY be a re-pro "thank-you", as I seem to remember that you could not see it, unless lit--but, there again--I have a great, but, not too long memory !? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/1/08, mike wrote: From: mike Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, September 1, 2008, 10:47 AM The lens in my 1426 was loose from the bezel and could be pulled out easily. The decal was applied to the flat surface underside. As I recall the bottom surface was rough, and the decal didn't look that clear thru the marble shaped lens. It looked much better after I bonded it using clear epoxy. Here is a shot I just took of my unrestored 1428. I believe this box to be all original. Its lens is still swaged (sp?)into the bezel and not is removable like the 1426 was. This should give you an idea on size, style, and position of font http://www.miketyler.net/thank_you.jpg MRT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Wilson" To: Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light > Thanks Mike - anything you can provide would be great. > > > > Also, when you made yours with Word, how did you apply it to the lens > since > it is a dome, and not just a flat piece of glass? I guess I'm saying how > did you put it in the dome and have it look normal (not distorted)? > > > > MW > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From joe400f at shaw.ca Mon Sep 1 10:51:50 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Mon Sep 1 11:07:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 6L6 tubes References: <299746.10865.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01c90c5b$69b5d010$939f4f18@compaq> I have personally bought about 10 pairs of the Electro Harmonix EH6L6 tubes. I use them in my jukes and guitar amps. I have not had any problem at all. Guitar amps are the best way to test tubes. They are driven hard for long periods of time. They are sold in pairs, 4's and 6's. They come with the tested GM rating on the box. I tested the new ones on my calibrated Hickok 533A tester and the rating are accurate. I would not waste time and money searching for NOS 6L6 tubes. The Electro Harmonix line of tubes is very good. They also make a great 12AX7 and 12AU7 tube but that is another discussion. Joey McDonald From tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 1 11:20:32 2008 From: tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net (mike) Date: Mon Sep 1 11:21:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light References: <471511.72275.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <031d01c90c5f$6cce36d0$4a01a8c0@main> That could be. Honestly, I dont remember the white being that visible on the 1426. It is flaking off though. I remember it being kind of a rusty orangeish background color and the "thank you" being just barely readable when the credit lamp behind it was lit. Perhaps my 1428 will look like in another 20 years if the credit light stays on all the time! MRT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light Guy's, That MAY be a re-pro "thank-you", as I seem to remember that you could not see it, unless lit--but, there again--I have a great, but, not too long memory ! Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/1/08, mike wrote: From: mike Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, September 1, 2008, 10:47 AM The lens in my 1426 was loose from the bezel and could be pulled out easily. The decal was applied to the flat surface underside. As I recall the bottom surface was rough, and the decal didn't look that clear thru the marble shaped lens. It looked much better after I bonded it using clear epoxy. Here is a shot I just took of my unrestored 1428. I believe this box to be all original. Its lens is still swaged (sp?)into the bezel and not is removable like the 1426 was. This should give you an idea on size, style, and position of font http://www.miketyler.net/thank_you.jpg MRT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Wilson" To: Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light > Thanks Mike - anything you can provide would be great. > > > > Also, when you made yours with Word, how did you apply it to the lens > since > it is a dome, and not just a flat piece of glass? I guess I'm saying how > did you put it in the dome and have it look normal (not distorted)? > > > > MW > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 1 14:20:07 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 1 14:29:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 6L6 tubes Message-ID: <20080901.172007.21097.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: With regard to the questions about replacing 6L6 tubes: Audio output tubes should be reasonably well-matched in conductivity in order to maintain audio performance of an amplifier. A badly-mismatched set will compromise performance and can put some amp circuitry (resistors, output transformer) at risk. If you don't have access to a tube checker, the safe thing to do would be to replace the 6L6's as a pair and keep the one good one you have as a spare. There are at least 6 (possibly more) manufacturers of vacuum tubes, distributed in the U.S., all of which are based overseas countries. There is a Chinese-based company (not sure of the name) that offers a large catalog of audio tubes. They resell (and rebrand) them around the world via several marketing distributors under different names. They tend to have a lot of quality control problems with their product. Try to avoid any vacuum tubes that say "made in China". U.S. manufacturer "Groove Tubes" purchases the Chinese tubes but puts them through another stage of testing/quality control before selling them. Other manufacturers I'm aware of that offer good products are Sovtek and Svetlana (Russian made) Electro Harmonix (Bosnian made) Tesla, and Ruby.(Czech made) An overseas manufacturer has recently begun to sell tubes using the old American brand name Tung Sol and English name Mullard. I've had no personal experience with the new Tung Sol and Mullard tubes. Any of the above companies are offering 6L6GC or 5881 tubes (same thing) at a cost range of $15-20 each. They are offered through electronics parts houses and distributing companies that cater to electronics restoration artists,audiophiles and musicians In this technician's opinion, there's no longer any value in paying the cost to seek out old American-made stock (i.e. RCA, GE, Tung-Sol, Ken-Rad, Sylvania, etc) for these audio tubes. It is necessary occasionally to turn to N.O.S. tubes to find certain tube types that aren't being replicated by the overseas tube builders. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4t0z2VDkovyrovw5SzgA4YeR0945O9HpeLH3Li8z2WkhADnA/ From swingtime63 at msn.com Mon Sep 1 19:34:37 2008 From: swingtime63 at msn.com (Bruce Thompson) Date: Mon Sep 1 19:43:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Distorted sound on a Seeburg M100A Message-ID: Hi All, I'm rather new to the list as a poster but have been reading the posts for a long time. Anyways, I just picked up a Seeburg M100A from an estate that plays 78 RPM records. This box is filthy dirty but it does play and it's been in the same family for over 50 years until 2 weeks ago. The amp has had some of the caps replaced with Sprague orange drops but I plan to rebuild the whole thing. Anyways, the sound is good with 1930's and 1940's records using the original Pickering blackhead cartridge with new needles from Pfainstiehl but louder, higher fidelity 78's from the 1950's are a different story. They sound distorted or over-modulated. The cartridge looked very dirty inside around the needles so I carefully drove out the rivet and took it apart. I see these blackheads were originally packed with grease. Is this really necessary ? I cleaned all the old grease out with naptha and now have a very clean looking cartridge. I play tested it again the way it was and it sounds exactly the same. I noticed there is a resistor than runs straight from the pick-up lead under the amp. I haven't looked at the schematic to see what value this is. Should I try a different value here ? Thanks ! Bruce From digiovanni13 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 2 06:55:59 2008 From: digiovanni13 at yahoo.com (S.R. Boland) Date: Tue Sep 2 07:03:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 6L6 tubes In-Reply-To: <20080901.172007.21097.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <362035.78181.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Guitar players are reporting that the new Tung-Sol tubes, especially the 5881, are really high-quality. Price is reasonable, too. S.R. "Boris" Boland --- On Mon, 9/1/08, James Alexander wrote: > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: 6L6 tubes > To: gazzyoung_uk@yahoo.co.uk, jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, September 1, 2008, 5:20 PM > Gentlemen: > With regard to the questions about replacing 6L6 tubes: > Audio output tubes should be reasonably well-matched in > conductivity in order to maintain audio performance of an > amplifier. A badly-mismatched set will compromise > performance and can put some amp circuitry (resistors, > output transformer) at risk. If you don't have access > to a tube checker, the safe thing to do would be to replace > the 6L6's as a pair and keep the one good one you have > as a spare. > There are at least 6 (possibly more) manufacturers of > vacuum tubes, distributed in the U.S., all of which are > based overseas countries. > > > There is a Chinese-based company (not sure of the name) > that offers a large catalog of audio tubes. They resell (and > rebrand) them around the world via several marketing > distributors under different names. They tend to have a > lot of quality control problems with their product. Try to > avoid any vacuum tubes that say "made in China". > U.S. manufacturer "Groove Tubes" purchases the > Chinese tubes but puts them through another stage of > testing/quality control before selling them. > Other manufacturers I'm aware of that offer good > products are Sovtek and Svetlana (Russian made) Electro > Harmonix (Bosnian made) Tesla, and Ruby.(Czech made) > An overseas manufacturer has recently begun to sell tubes > using the old American brand name Tung Sol and English name > Mullard. I've had no personal experience with the new > Tung Sol and Mullard tubes. > Any of the above companies are offering 6L6GC or 5881 tubes > (same thing) at a cost range of $15-20 each. They are > offered through electronics parts houses and distributing > companies that cater to electronics restoration > artists,audiophiles and musicians > In this technician's opinion, there's no longer any > value in paying the cost to seek out old American-made stock > (i.e. RCA, GE, Tung-Sol, Ken-Rad, Sylvania, etc) for these > audio tubes. It is necessary occasionally to turn to > N.O.S. tubes to find certain tube types that aren't > being replicated by the overseas tube builders. > Hope this helps, > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to learn about options trading and get the latest > information. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4t0z2VDkovyrovw5SzgA4YeR0945O9HpeLH3Li8z2WkhADnA/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From genron at telenet.be Mon Sep 1 13:36:29 2008 From: genron at telenet.be (Genron) Date: Tue Sep 2 10:25:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hurricane Message-ID: <006801c90c72$6a5c03b0$6405a8c0@uwspjqh5ts4ftf> Over here in Europe it's all about hurricane news we get to see at the moment. Just a small word to those people on the list who live in the hurricane area that i hope they do not have to suffer to much damage. We do not like to see another New Orleans disaster. Sorry i know this does not have much to see with the jukeboxes but i am almost sure everybody on the list feels bad if we knew that on of the listmembers would have lost his house and possessions trough this hurricane. I feel with you, and wish you much strength. Kind regards, Didier. From kensoldradiorepair at yahoo.com Tue Sep 2 14:16:28 2008 From: kensoldradiorepair at yahoo.com (Ken Doyle) Date: Tue Sep 2 14:24:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Distorted sound on a Seeburg M100A In-Reply-To: <20080902190004.3C2C1AADC5@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <220637.46533.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The grease is necessary, it's there to dampen resonances. I believe some manufacturers used lanolin and some used silicone grease. Anyone know what kind of grease goes inside a blackhead cartridge? Ken D. > From: Bruce Thompson > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Distorted sound on a Seeburg M100A > Hi All, > I'm rather new to the list as a poster but have been > reading the posts for a long time. Anyways, I just picked up > a Seeburg M100A from an estate that plays 78 RPM records. > This box is filthy dirty but it does play and it's been > in the same family for over 50 years until 2 weeks ago. The > amp has had some of the caps replaced with Sprague orange > drops but I plan to rebuild the whole thing. Anyways, the > sound is good with 1930's and 1940's records using > the original Pickering blackhead cartridge with new needles > from Pfainstiehl but louder, higher fidelity 78's from > the 1950's are a different story. They sound distorted > or over-modulated. The cartridge looked very dirty inside > around the needles so I carefully drove out the rivet and > took it apart. I see these blackheads were originally packed > with grease. Is this really necessary ? I cleaned all the > old grease out with naptha and now have a very clean looking > cartridge. I play tested it again the way it was and it > sounds exactl > y the same. I noticed there is a resistor than runs > straight from the pick-up lead under the amp. I haven't > looked at the schematic to see what value this is. Should I > try a different value here ? > Thanks ! > Bruce > > ------------------------------ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Sep 2 16:10:07 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Sep 2 16:11:09 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Distorted sound on a Seeburg M100A In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <616700.25211.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you're going to rebuild the amp anyway, I'd do that first before you start worrying about the pickup. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From daviop at verizon.net Wed Sep 3 09:47:49 2008 From: daviop at verizon.net (Peter Davio) Date: Wed Sep 3 10:50:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 62, Issue 2 Message-ID: <0K6M00MYQPBPUGN0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-request@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 3:00 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 62, Issue 2 Send Jukebox-list mailing list submissions to jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to jukebox-list-request@lists.netlojix.com You can reach the person managing the list at jukebox-list-owner@lists.netlojix.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Jukebox-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: 6L6 tubes (James Alexander) 2. Distorted sound on a Seeburg M100A (Bruce Thompson) 3. Re: Re: 6L6 tubes (S.R. Boland) 4. Hurricane (Genron) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:20:07 GMT From: "James Alexander" Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: 6L6 tubes To: gazzyoung_uk@yahoo.co.uk, jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Message-ID: <20080901.172007.21097.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Gentlemen: With regard to the questions about replacing 6L6 tubes: Audio output tubes should be reasonably well-matched in conductivity in order to maintain audio performance of an amplifier. A badly-mismatched set will compromise performance and can put some amp circuitry (resistors, output transformer) at risk. If you don't have access to a tube checker, the safe thing to do would be to replace the 6L6's as a pair and keep the one good one you have as a spare. There are at least 6 (possibly more) manufacturers of vacuum tubes, distributed in the U.S., all of which are based overseas countries. There is a Chinese-based company (not sure of the name) that offers a large catalog of audio tubes. They resell (and rebrand) them around the world via several marketing distributors under different names. They tend to have a lot of quality control problems with their product. Try to avoid any vacuum tubes that say "made in China". U.S. manufacturer "Groove Tubes" purchases the Chinese tubes but puts them through another stage of testing/quality control before selling them. Other manufacturers I'm aware of that offer good products are Sovtek and Svetlana (Russian made) Electro Harmonix (Bosnian made) Tesla, and Ruby.(Czech made) An overseas manufacturer has recently begun to sell tubes using the old American brand name Tung Sol and English name Mullard. I've had no personal experience with the new Tung Sol and Mullard tubes. Any of the above companies are offering 6L6GC or 5881 tubes (same thing) at a cost range of $15-20 each. They are offered through electronics parts houses and distributing companies that cater to electronics restoration artists,audiophiles and musicians In this technician's opinion, there's no longer any value in paying the cost to seek out old American-made stock (i.e. RCA, GE, Tung-Sol, Ken-Rad, Sylvania, etc) for these audio tubes. It is necessary occasionally to turn to N.O.S. tubes to find certain tube types that aren't being replicated by the overseas tube builders. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4t0z2VDkovyrovw5SzgA4YeR0945O9HpeLH3Li8z2WkhADnA/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 02:34:37 +0000 From: Bruce Thompson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Distorted sound on a Seeburg M100A To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi All, I'm rather new to the list as a poster but have been reading the posts for a long time. Anyways, I just picked up a Seeburg M100A from an estate that plays 78 RPM records. This box is filthy dirty but it does play and it's been in the same family for over 50 years until 2 weeks ago. The amp has had some of the caps replaced with Sprague orange drops but I plan to rebuild the whole thing. Anyways, the sound is good with 1930's and 1940's records using the original Pickering blackhead cartridge with new needles from Pfainstiehl but louder, higher fidelity 78's from the 1950's are a different story. They sound distorted or over-modulated. The cartridge looked very dirty inside around the needles so I carefully drove out the rivet and took it apart. I see these blackheads were originally packed with grease. Is this really necessary ? I cleaned all the old grease out with naptha and now have a very clean looking cartridge. I play tested it again the way it was and it sounds exactl y the same. I noticed there is a resistor than runs straight from the pick-up lead under the amp. I haven't looked at the schematic to see what value this is. Should I try a different value here ? Thanks ! Bruce ------------------------------ [The entire original message is not included] From pinball at telus.net Wed Sep 3 11:02:02 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Sep 3 11:03:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 62, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <0K6M00MYQPBPUGN0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0K6M00MYQPBPUGN0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <48BED11A.7020400@telus.net> Hi Digest Folks, When quoting from the Jukebox-list digest PLEASE cut out all the junk from the post - it is too difficult to figure out which is the added part and which is the original post you are replying to (so we don't bother). A bit of the "Delete" key will work wonders in legibility - see below for what came in the mailbox and see if you can spot the comment/question... John :-#(# ... wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-request@lists.netlojix.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 3:00 PM > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 62, Issue 2 > > Send Jukebox-list mailing list submissions to > jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > jukebox-list-request@lists.netlojix.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > jukebox-list-owner@lists.netlojix.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Jukebox-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: 6L6 tubes (James Alexander) > 2. Distorted sound on a Seeburg M100A (Bruce Thompson) > 3. Re: Re: 6L6 tubes (S.R. Boland) > 4. Hurricane (Genron) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:20:07 GMT > From: "James Alexander" > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: 6L6 tubes > To: gazzyoung_uk@yahoo.co.uk, jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Message-ID: <20080901.172007.21097.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > > Gentlemen: > With regard to the questions about replacing 6L6 tubes: > Audio output tubes should be reasonably well-matched in conductivity in order to maintain audio performance of an amplifier. A badly-mismatched set will compromise performance and can put some amp circuitry (resistors, output transformer) at risk. If you don't have access to a tube checker, the safe thing to do would be to replace the 6L6's as a pair and keep the one good one you have as a spare. > There are at least 6 (possibly more) manufacturers of vacuum tubes, distributed in the U.S., all of which are based overseas countries. There is a Chinese-based company (not sure of the name) that offers a large catalog of audio tubes. They resell (and rebrand) them around the world via several marketing distributors under different names. They tend to have a lot of quality control problems with their product. Try to avoid any vacuum tubes that say "made in China". U.S. manufacturer "Groove Tubes" purchases the Chinese tubes but puts them through another stage of testing/quality control before selling them. > Other manufacturers I'm aware of that offer good products are Sovtek and Svetlana (Russian made) Electro Harmonix (Bosnian made) Tesla, and Ruby.(Czech made) An overseas manufacturer has recently begun to sell tubes using the old American brand name Tung Sol and English name Mullard. I've had no personal experience with the new Tung Sol and Mullard tubes. > Any of the above companies are offering 6L6GC or 5881 tubes (same thing) at a cost range of $15-20 each. They are offered through electronics parts houses and distributing companies that cater to electronics restoration artists,audiophiles and musicians > In this technician's opinion, there's no longer any value in paying the cost to seek out old American-made stock (i.e. RCA, GE, Tung-Sol, Ken-Rad, Sylvania, etc) for these audio tubes. It is necessary occasionally to turn to N.O.S. tubes to find certain tube types that aren't being replicated by the overseas tube builders. > Hope this helps, > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4t0z2VDkovyrovw5SzgA4YeR0945O9HpeLH3Li8z2WkhADnA/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 02:34:37 +0000 > From: Bruce Thompson > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Distorted sound on a Seeburg M100A > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi All, > I'm rather new to the list as a poster but have been reading the posts for a long time. Anyways, I just picked up a Seeburg M100A from an estate that plays 78 RPM records. This box is filthy dirty but it does play and it's been in the same family for over 50 years until 2 weeks ago. The amp has had some of the caps replaced with Sprague orange drops but I plan to rebuild the whole thing. Anyways, the sound is good with 1930's and 1940's records using the original Pickering blackhead cartridge with new needles from Pfainstiehl but louder, higher fidelity 78's from the 1950's are a different story. They sound distorted or over-modulated. The cartridge looked very dirty inside around the needles so I carefully drove out the rivet and took it apart. I see these blackheads were originally packed with grease. Is this really necessary ? I cleaned all the old grease out with naptha and now have a very clean looking cartridge. I play tested it again the way it was and it sounds exactl > y the same. I noticed there is a resistor than runs straight from the pick-up lead under the amp. I haven't looked at the schematic to see what value this is. Should I try a different value here ? > Thanks ! > Bruce > > ------------------------------ > > > [The entire original message is not included] > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From crobertson19405 at comcast.net Thu Sep 4 04:55:40 2008 From: crobertson19405 at comcast.net (Craig and Cerena) Date: Thu Sep 4 05:02:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] What's the right Vacuum Tube Message-ID: I recently picked up a Seeburg HF100R. I need to purchased vacuum tubes but there is so many makes that I not sure what to do. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Should I stay away from any certain brand? Thanks Craig From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Sep 4 08:52:07 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Sep 4 09:02:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] What's the right Vacuum Tube Message-ID: <20080904.115207.2140.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Hello Mr and Mrs Robertson: For some reason, my correspondence is being "screened" from the jukebox mailing list by the site administrator and I can't figure out why. Hopefully you'll get this reply. RE: vacuum tubes There are no tube manufacturers in the U.S. any longer. Most of the international products being offered are of good quality. Brands to look for are Sovtek, Electro Harmonix, Ruby, JJ/Tesla, and Tung-Sol. It is probably a good idea to steer clear of any tube brands that show they are made in China. All the above names come from other countries. These companies are all offering audio tubes that will fit the amplifier section of your Seeburg. The selection receiver chassis of your Seeburg R uses a # 2050 tube, which is not made by any of these companies. That tube is not needed (leave the socket empty) unless you plan to use the remote wall-box function of your jukebox. If you need to buy a 2050 tube, you will need to find old American made stock. (former US manufacturers are RCA, GE, Sylvania,etc) Most of the US distributors serving the classic jukebox hobby, along with some electronics parts houses that have old stock could help you with this. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander email: jalexandercc@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tvKJQA4DirxmYhsAsBwAOHnD5hvzmEwTMZ2vLajnSK2epLQ/ From pinball at telus.net Thu Sep 4 09:19:42 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Sep 4 09:56:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] What's the right Vacuum Tube In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C00A9E.7000009@telus.net> Craig and Cerena wrote: > I recently picked up a Seeburg HF100R. I need to purchased vacuum > tubes but there is so many makes that I not sure what to do. Can anyone > point me in the right direction? Should I stay away from any certain > brand? Thanks > > Craig > Hi Craig, In most cases poor quality sound is either caused by an amplifier in need of a rebuild (new capacitors and resistors) or a problem with the stylus/cartridge. Tubes are actually not the first suspects... Please tell us (reply on the jukebox mailing list) what the problem is so we can advise you better! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From drjukebox at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 15:30:23 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Thu Sep 4 15:31:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 750-E With Light Up Door In-Reply-To: <478298.52404.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3154d3690808310612w1782e49wc872b285d2afddd@mail.gmail.com> <478298.52404.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690809041530y3b3feb7wfbae29801dd3a5e3@mail.gmail.com> Please allow me to elaborate. Think of the proverbial jukebox, the most successful design of all time, Paul Fuller's Wurlitzer 1015. First, the jukebox is supposed to be the first thing to catch your attention when you open the door to the bar or tavern or coffee shop or wherever it is placed. Starting with the first light-up machines in 1938-39 all jukeboxes achieved this with great success. So much that when more than one is placed in the same room, they try to out-do one another in screaming for attention with gaudy lighting effects and gleaming brightwork. Second, after you were magnetically driven to approach it and deposit a coin, the song titles had to be displayed at a convenient angle for someone standing, usually by beeing mounted in a holder slightly tilted backwards. Third, the display of colourful animation and recordplaying motion is best seen from someone seated in front of the machine. j On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 1:13 PM, David Breneman wrote: > > --- On Sun, 8/31/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > > > I think a jukebox is supposed to be seen from the angle of > > an average size > > person seated at a table in front of it. > > I would agree with that. Most jukeboxes do not present their > best appearance when approached to make a selection. They > appeal to you from across the room. When I photograph > jukeboxes, I find that the best angle is invariably from > roughly eye level for a person seated nearby, or standing > person looking from a rather long way away. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From drjukebox at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 16:36:45 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Thu Sep 4 16:37:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl's backl! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3154d3690809041636t78cbe64es258c994bb9a53644@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Mitch, I agree with everything you say. Gotta luv the look, the smell, the feel, the sensation of vinyl albums and singles. CDs are dead plastic by comparison. Here's more testimony: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/business/la-et-vinyl18-2008aug18,0,2834344.story and from another group Ed Butler reminiscing of days of vinyl. "Mr Big Stuff" was a big hit on jukeboxes all over the world. VINYL-" JUST A LITTLE PIECE OF MY HEART, NOW BABY' Hi, Norman. Thanks a lot for allowing us to convene via " E-Jazz". When the subject of vinyl recordings arose, I couldn't help but throw in my penny's worth. When 2 other young Mississippians and I went into hock to build the first state-of-the-art recording studio in that state, vinyl became our ally and our foe. Vinyl 45 r.p.m. records, referred to as "singles" , contained sides A and B ( Side A being the producers' pick to be a hit, Side B being the non-so-hit ), were objects of our affection. We recorded and produced country, dixieland, rhythm & blues, black gospel, etc in our studio on an Ampex 4-track Model 440 recorder.. virgin music arcing from warm, glowing tube to tube.passing through to our mixing console, also tube powered, and on to an Ampex 2-track stereo mix-down recorder. The medium for the 4 track was 1/2in vinyl tape, and 1/4 in for 2-track mixdown. These vinyl master tapes had to be wound on the heavy metal reels in reverse to prevent tape "print-through" or "ghost tracks" heard before the song started. ( Remember the 8-track cartridges and their ghost-tracks?) A new technique (back then), known as "punching in" allowed us to record over a mistake or electronically edit in a new vocal or instrumental line without compromising the entire taped production, or subjecting the project to more mistakes. Believe me, there were a lot of mistakes made. But after a few years of trying to perfect our craft we got lucky. Two of our produced songs were purchased by more than 4 million folks worldwide...each in the form of a hot gob of vinyl, pressed flat with a large hole in the center, labeled brightly : "Mr. Big Stuff" and "Groove Me" just below" "Malaco Records, Jackson, Mississippi" for all the world to see. Enough of this self-serving verbiage , here's what "vinylally happened" to that master tape when it left our studio: We personally escourted the master tape to the Mastering Lab (found in larger cities with much recording activity, very small room, acoustically-tuned, super-large monitors and the person at the helm..the finest product of the engineer's art.The Mastering Engineer.) The mastering lab was the producers last chance to change the EQ of the sound of the finished master.add more lower frequency bass,..or mid-range..or brighten up the upper-spectrum. Since all producers wanted their records to sound louder, or hotter, on the radio than their competition, vinyl masters were cut as hot as possible...just below the range of distortion. When all in the room were in agreement, the Mastering Engineer would take a flat-piece of vinyl, larger than a 45 r.p.m. record, place it on the "mastering lathe" and record directly to the piece of vinyl. It COULD NOT BE PLAYED on a turntable to determine the quality of the work of the Mastering Engineer. We just had to trust him ! They had very expensive ears. The vinyl master(positive groove) was sent to the record-pressing plant where a wax mold(negative groove) was made from it. This mold was also known as a "mother" ( not half a word.sorry) and was used to make many metal "stampers" (negative groove) needed to physically press a hot glob of black vinyl into the 45 r.p.m. recording.(positive groove ) Is everyone totally confused? During that time in the music business, record companies tested the popularity of a production by distributing and promoting a 45 r.p.m. vinyl record to the record-buying public. If enough 45s sold.you got an album deal, or 10 or 12 songs, including the "hit single" on a 33 1/3 r.p.m. stereo vinyl recording with a beautiful cardboard jacket. The same vinyl extrusion process was used to make the albums as the singles. The nerve-soothing sounds of musicians and singers, warmed by those dimly-glowing tubes in the power amplifiers and recording machines and permanently affixed to a chunk of vinyl was quite a combination. Compared to digital, in-your-face, artificial ambienced CDs, it's like comparing 35mm movie film (warm and mystical) to digital videotape (bright and harsh). Rosie and I lost our 400+ album collection to Hurricane Ivan. The next time you relax in front of a spinning piece of vinyl that brings a smile to your face..or a tear to your eye... Hear One For Us. Long live the Jazz Society of Pensacola.. Ed Butler On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:12 PM, wrote: > Yes, I'm late to this subject but I've been way out of pocket all summer. > I've spent some 30 years in the music biz in both records & radio. My > somewhat > scattered observations in brief: > > 1. Vinyl never went away. It only threatened to in the US due to major > label > myopia/laziness & general stupidity. > > a. Vinyl has long been a key sales component of thriving "indie" labels > from > stalwart Sub Pop to Bob Irwin's relatively new reissue Sundazed label From michael at cubla.com Mon Sep 1 23:15:20 2008 From: michael at cubla.com (W. Michael Day, J.D.) Date: Thu Sep 4 16:43:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome or animated translucent pilarsters on Seeburg HF100G? Message-ID: <000501c90cc3$47d642f0$6101a8c0@cyberdyn645a54> Hi. You may not be at this address anymore, but I just found your old message from 2003? regarding chrome pilasters for a Seeburg jukebox. Do you still have them? Thanks, Michael Day michael@cubla.com From jay at west.net Thu Sep 4 17:43:14 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Sep 4 18:05:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: 6L6 tubes In-Reply-To: <362035.78181.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <362035.78181.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48C080A2.7020005@west.net> S.R. Boland wrote: > Guitar players are reporting that the new Tung-Sol tubes, especially the 5881, are really high-quality. Price is reasonable, too. Guitar players will have good information about longevity and durability, but not necessarily about fidelity. Quite a few electric guitar amplifiers have the ability to deliberately run with fairly high distortion, and often tubes are selected for the character of the distorted sound on electric guitar. Vocals or anything other than guitar run through such a setup can be a rather painful listening experience. Note that guitar amplifiers can be adjusted for good overall fidelity, but often are operated overdriven for the unique distortion effects on the guitar sound. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 5 01:38:19 2008 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Fri Sep 5 01:39:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: moving jukeboxes In-Reply-To: <3154d3690809041636t78cbe64es258c994bb9a53644@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <275414.83505.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, I am moving house shortly and I have a AMI B, AMI Continental and Rockola 1426 to shift. I am looking for some advise/recommendations. Records in or out? Valves/tubes in or out? Amps in or out? and any other suggestions that would help protect my jukes during the move would be appreciated. Thanks Gary From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Fri Sep 5 03:35:51 2008 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Fri Sep 5 03:52:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: moving jukeboxes References: <275414.83505.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6E80E6E741DE4383951FA9FC9CA971D6@Graeme> With the Continental I would take the title case and neck off to avoid a broken neck. transport upright. Bolt the mech down through the chassis and tie down the tone arm. There is a pin under the neck you will have to screw out when you have done this remove the glass dome before taking of the title case. Four Allen key nuts hold the neck. Do not over tighten the neck when replacing it. Records up to you. If transported upright should be OK can pack with bubble wrap to hold the records. Amp will be OK. Un-bolt chassis when you have shifted. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Young" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 6:38 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: moving jukeboxes Hi Folks, I am moving house shortly and I have a AMI B, AMI Continental and Rockola 1426 to shift. I am looking for some advise/recommendations. Records in or out? Valves/tubes in or out? Amps in or out? and any other suggestions that would help protect my jukes during the move would be appreciated. Thanks Gary _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Sep 5 05:35:41 2008 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Sep 5 05:51:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome or animated translucent pilarsters on SeeburgHF100G? In-Reply-To: <000501c90cc3$47d642f0$6101a8c0@cyberdyn645a54> References: <000501c90cc3$47d642f0$6101a8c0@cyberdyn645a54> Message-ID: Hi Michael, Yes, I'm still at this address. I can't recall what the discussion was back in 2003 about the pilasters. Coincidentally I do still have the original crome ones. Were you interested in buying them? -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of W. Michael Day, J.D. Sent: 2008, September, 02 2:15 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome or animated translucent pilarsters on SeeburgHF100G? Hi. You may not be at this address anymore, but I just found your old message from 2003? regarding chrome pilasters for a Seeburg jukebox. Do you still have them? Thanks, Michael Day michael@cubla.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From pinball at telus.net Fri Sep 5 07:26:23 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Sep 5 07:27:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: moving jukeboxes In-Reply-To: <275414.83505.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <275414.83505.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48C1418F.4090302@telus.net> Gary Young wrote: > Hi Folks, I am moving house shortly and I have a AMI B, AMI Continental and Rockola 1426 to shift. I am looking for some advise/recommendations. Records in or out? Valves/tubes in or out? Amps in or out? and any other suggestions that would help protect my jukes during the move would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Gary > Hi Gary, As mentioned you want to secure the mechanisms of each jukebox - normally there are four (sometimes two for Wurlitzers) shipping bolts that are either on the underside or top side corners of the support rails for the main chassis. Tighten these so the spring suspension is compressed solid. Next pack material around the records to prevent them from flying around - an old blanket/sleeping bag works well here! For machines with turntables that pull off - remove said turntable and put in small box and leave inside the machine (so it won't get lost!). A bit of tape across the tonearm head so it won't flop around is a good idea, but do not tape the underside as you may damage the cartridge - I use 2" paper tape and just secure the ends and lay across the tone arm. You do not need to remove the tubes, but do pack any power cords etc inside the machine so they do not get damaged. Try not to roll the machine very far across concrete as this will destroy the wheels, use of a fridge dolly with straps is best. If transporting the machines - best is upright, otherwise lay on the back. Never transport a machine (Seeburg in particular) lying on its side, however trucking from the side is OK if packed properly. I plan to make a 'moving' page for jukeboxes on flippers.com, and am collecting pictures for said task. Pictures are appreciated of your packing/prep. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jayoldschool at hotmail.com Fri Sep 5 13:19:02 2008 From: jayoldschool at hotmail.com (jason w) Date: Fri Sep 5 13:20:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: moving jukeboxes In-Reply-To: <20080905190004.C1DCFAAB27@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20080905190004.C1DCFAAB27@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Shortly after getting into jukeboxes and pinballs, I bought a good fridge dolly from a friend at a moving company. Best money I ever spent. Makes life incredibly easy when transporting large, heavy objects like jukes. When I bought my first juke (my Seeburg 201), I lowered it down my bent basement stairs on its back with a rope and the help of four friends. Now, strap it to the dolly, and it is easy to get in and out of anywhere. Jason. > Message: 5> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:38:19 +0000 (GMT)> From: Gary Young > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: moving jukeboxes> To: Jukebox mailing list > Message-ID: <275414.83505.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8> > Hi Folks, I am moving house shortly and I have a AMI B, AMI Continental and Rockola 1426 to shift. I am looking for some advise/recommendations. Records in or out? Valves/tubes in or out? Amps in or out? and any other suggestions that would help protect my jukes during the move would be appreciated.> > Thanks> > Gary> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:35:51 +1000> From: "Graeme Harvey" > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: moving jukeboxes> To: , "Jukebox mailing list"> > Message-ID: <6E80E6E741DE4383951FA9FC9CA971D6@Graeme>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";> reply-type=original> > With the Continental I would take the title case and neck off to avoid a > broken neck. transport upright. Bolt the mech down through the chassis > and tie down the tone arm. There is a pin under the neck you will have to > screw out when you have done this remove the glass dome before taking of the > title case. Four Allen key nuts hold the neck. Do not over tighten the > neck when replacing it. Records up to you. If transported upright > should be OK can pack with bubble wrap to hold the records. Amp will be > OK. Un-bolt chassis when you have shifted.> Graeme Harvey> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Young" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 6:38 PM> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: moving jukeboxes> > > Hi Folks, I am moving house shortly and I have a AMI B, AMI Continental and > Rockola 1426 to shift. I am looking for some advise/recommendations. Records > in or out? Valves/tubes in or out? Amps in or out? and any other suggestions > that would help protect my jukes during the move would be appreciated.> > Thanks> > Gary> > > > _______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:35:41 -0400> From: "Dicecco, Michael" > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Chrome or animated translucent pilarsters> on SeeburgHF100G?> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Message-ID:> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Hi Michael, > > Yes, I'm still at this address. > > I can't recall what the discussion was back in 2003 about the pilasters.> Coincidentally I do still have the original crome ones. Were you> interested in buying them? > > -----Original Message-----> From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of W. Michael> Day, J.D.> Sent: 2008, September, 02 2:15 AM> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Chrome or animated translucent pilarsters on> SeeburgHF100G?> > Hi. You may not be at this address anymore, but I just found your old> message from 2003? regarding chrome pilasters for a Seeburg jukebox. Do> you still have them?> > Thanks,> > Michael Day> michael@cubla.com> _______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list> _______________________________________________________________________> > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations.> Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized.> If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent.> Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite.> Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen.> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 8> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:26:23 -0700> From: John Robertson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: moving jukeboxes> To: gazzyoung_uk@yahoo.co.uk, Jukebox mailing list> > Message-ID: <48C1418F.4090302@telus.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed> > Gary Young wrote:> > Hi Folks, I am moving house shortly and I have a AMI B, AMI Continental and Rockola 1426 to shift. I am looking for some advise/recommendations. Records in or out? Valves/tubes in or out? Amps in or out? and any other suggestions that would help protect my jukes during the move would be appreciated.> >> > Thanks> >> > Gary> > > Hi Gary,> > As mentioned you want to secure the mechanisms of each jukebox - > normally there are four (sometimes two for Wurlitzers) shipping bolts > that are either on the underside or top side corners of the support > rails for the main chassis.> > Tighten these so the spring suspension is compressed solid.> > Next pack material around the records to prevent them from flying around > - an old blanket/sleeping bag works well here!> > For machines with turntables that pull off - remove said turntable and > put in small box and leave inside the machine (so it won't get lost!).> > A bit of tape across the tonearm head so it won't flop around is a good > idea, but do not tape the underside as you may damage the cartridge - I > use 2" paper tape and just secure the ends and lay across the tone arm.> > You do not need to remove the tubes, but do pack any power cords etc > inside the machine so they do not get damaged.> > Try not to roll the machine very far across concrete as this will > destroy the wheels, use of a fridge dolly with straps is best.> > If transporting the machines - best is upright, otherwise lay on the > back. Never transport a machine (Seeburg in particular) lying on its > side, however trucking from the side is OK if packed properly.> > I plan to make a 'moving' page for jukeboxes on flippers.com, and am > collecting pictures for said task. Pictures are appreciated of your > packing/prep.> > John :-#)#> > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames)> www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"> > > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list> > > End of Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 62, Issue 5> ******************************************* _________________________________________________________________ From mw42080 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 5 14:21:47 2008 From: mw42080 at hotmail.com (Mike Wilson) Date: Fri Sep 5 14:23:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light Message-ID: Hi all, I've worked up a template on Word for the "Thank You" lamp, and I think it turned out ok. I used a good laser printer, and I printed the template on a transparency that I manually fed through the printer. The result is basically like a slide and light only shines through the words. The template is almost the exact size of the inner diameter of the lens casing, so it fits right up against the lens and stays there. I also put a couple pieces of red stage lighting gel behind the template. It colors the light, and also keeps stray light from shining through the template when the thank you lamp is not lit. I would have used orange if I had some! I'd be happy to e-mail the template to anyone who wants it - just drop me a line. MW From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 14:36:34 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Sep 5 14:37:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: moving jukeboxes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <193179.76817.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 9/5/08, jason w wrote: > Shortly after getting into jukeboxes and pinballs, I bought > a good fridge dolly from a friend at a moving company. Best > money I ever spent. Makes life incredibly easy when > transporting large, heavy objects like jukes. Is this one of those hand trucks with the belts that run up the back, or something different? From jhuffer941 at aol.com Fri Sep 5 16:13:31 2008 From: jhuffer941 at aol.com (jhuffer941@aol.com) Date: Fri Sep 5 16:25:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Model A Message-ID: <8CADDC425AC00D1-914-205C@webmail-nb06.sysops.aol.com> Hello,? I found and brought home a Rockola Model A.? Has anyone worked on this model.? I cannot find really info on it.? Of cource it needs cabinet work as the veneer is peeling, but the mechanism appears to be all there, just dirty. James From Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu Fri Sep 5 19:07:10 2008 From: Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu (Tyler, Ronald) Date: Fri Sep 5 19:22:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light References: Message-ID: Wow--please send me one for both my 1422s. I really appreciate this. Ron Tyler ________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of Mike Wilson Sent: Fri 9/5/2008 2:21 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light Hi all, I've worked up a template on Word for the "Thank You" lamp, and I think it turned out ok. I used a good laser printer, and I printed the template on a transparency that I manually fed through the printer. The result is basically like a slide and light only shines through the words. The template is almost the exact size of the inner diameter of the lens casing, so it fits right up against the lens and stays there. I also put a couple pieces of red stage lighting gel behind the template. It colors the light, and also keeps stray light from shining through the template when the thank you lamp is not lit. I would have used orange if I had some! I'd be happy to e-mail the template to anyone who wants it - just drop me a line. MW _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 20:35:53 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Fri Sep 5 20:36:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Model A In-Reply-To: <8CADDC425AC00D1-914-205C@webmail-nb06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CADDC425AC00D1-914-205C@webmail-nb06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690809052035y3ec075a3vde07d8fdadba08d4@mail.gmail.com> Nice model, quite rare. Not much to the restoration. When the cabinet is done, you're almost there. Clean and lube the mech. Rebuild the amp. Check the speaker, you may need to recone it. Check the cloth wiring. Test the coin gear, Enjoy a nice jukebox! Jens On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:13 PM, wrote: > Hello,? I found and brought home a Rockola Model A.? Has anyone worked on > this model.? I cannot find really info on it.? Of cource it needs cabinet > work as the veneer is peeling, but the mechanism appears to be all there, > just dirty. > > James > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jayoldschool at hotmail.com Sat Sep 6 08:51:31 2008 From: jayoldschool at hotmail.com (jason w) Date: Sat Sep 6 08:52:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:moving jukeboxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Is this one of those hand trucks with the belts that runup the back, or something different? Yes. Mine is a really nice one. It is aluminum, and has spring loaded retracting belts that come out the sides. It also has a couple of rubber tracks on wheels on the back that allow it to glide up and down stairs really easily. Big handles on the top, and the sides are solid channels that have extra handles. Makes moving things a one person job. _________________________________________________________________ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Sep 6 11:01:16 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Sep 6 11:08:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hey, my Seeburg Q almost works! Message-ID: <8CADE61B116644E-1344-463@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> Hi, all. Got the courage to plug the Q in this afternoon to see where I was at. I had a tube in the amplifier that was flashing and smelling, and a tube in the tormat panel that was out. The mechanism scans to the right but can't move to the left. It will pick up and reject records (thankfully). A friend of mine was over and suggested that I start out by replacing the large capacitor on the mechanism (the cylinder to the right that is strapped in to the mechanism, with the three wires attached to the top of it- this IS a capacitor, right?) is this something that can be bought from Vern Tisdale? And the three wires would need to be soldered on, correct? The ballast in the machine was still good and the machine is quite handsome when it's lit. I was afraid the thing was going to be completely dead but I have a good feeling about it now. From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Sep 6 11:20:47 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Sep 6 11:33:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hey, my Seeburg Q almost works! In-Reply-To: <8CADE61B116644E-1344-463@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CADE61B116644E-1344-463@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CADE646B38C6B2-1344-51E@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> I forgot to ask- on the amp, are the tubes in a series? Not all the tubes are lighting. I know there was a missing transistor on the outside of the unit (one of four) that I had replaced. -----Original Message----- From: jhayes2613@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 1:01 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hey, my Seeburg Q almost works! Hi, all. Got the courage to plug the Q in this afternoon to see where I was at. I had a tube in the amplifier that was flashing and smelling, and a tube in the tormat panel that was out. The mechanism scans to the right but can't move to the left. It will pick up and reject records (thankfully). A friend of mine was over and suggested that I start out by replacing the large capacitor on the mechanism (the cylinder to the right that is strapped in to the mechanism, with the three wires attached to the top of it- this IS a capacitor, right?) is this something that can be bought from Vern Tisdale? And the three wires would need to be soldered on, correct? The ballast in the machine was still good and the machine is quite handsome when it's lit. I was afraid the thing was going to be completely dead but I have a good feeling about it now. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Sat Sep 6 12:40:31 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Sep 6 12:41:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Hey, my Seeburg Q almost works! In-Reply-To: <8CADE61B116644E-1344-463@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CADE61B116644E-1344-463@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <48C2DCAF.1060400@telus.net> jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Hi, all. Got the courage to plug the Q in this afternoon to see where I was at. I had a tube in the amplifier that was flashing and smelling, and a tube in the tormat panel that was out. The mechanism scans to the right but can't move to the left. It will pick up and reject records (thankfully). A friend of mine was over and suggested that I start out by replacing the large capacitor on the mechanism (the cylinder to the right that is strapped in to the mechanism, with the three wires attached to the top of it- this IS a capacitor, right?) is this something that can be bought from Vern Tisdale? And the three wires would need to be soldered on, correct? > The ballast in the machine was still good and the machine is quite handsome when it's lit. > I was afraid the thing was going to be completely dead but I have a good feeling about it now. > _______________________________________________ > If the motor is running (even only in one direction) then chances are the motor capacitor is OK. If the machine won't move to the right, check if the reversing switch paddle is hitting the small arm that sticks out of the underside of the carrage frame base on the left end (there is another one on the right end). If the paddle is flipped but the machine does not go the other way then likely something is wrong with the switch, or a broken wire from the switch. Be careful when poking the switch paddle - it flips 115VAC so there is a risk of shock, plus the switch itself is somewhat fragile and does not like to be forced, it breaks! Make sure you put the correct tubes in their labeled sockets. Check the amp to see if the capacitors look like they have been replaced, your machine is old enough that this needs to be done if not. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From crobertson19405 at comcast.net Sun Sep 7 05:50:10 2008 From: crobertson19405 at comcast.net (Craig and Cerena) Date: Sun Sep 7 05:48:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning Seeburg Mechanism Message-ID: <35768E2C2DD54E6F9AA937BEB2A58EA7@CraignCerena> Can someone give me advice on what to use to clean the mechanism on my seeburg R. Thanks Craig From rockolakid at ntlworld.com Sun Sep 7 15:52:07 2008 From: rockolakid at ntlworld.com (rockolakid) Date: Sun Sep 7 16:03:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola mech cover/dress cap Message-ID: Hi all, Does anybody know if the mech cover/dress cap for the Rockola 1446 will fit the Rockola 1448. Thanks for any info Doug. From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 7 18:32:52 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Sep 7 18:33:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola mech cover/dress cap References: Message-ID: <000501c91152$d055bc80$6101a8c0@Dirksen> It will "fit" in the sense that it will bolt down on the turntable support plate, but it won't look right. The front is open, exposing parts of the mech underneath, and the right side isn't wide enough, exposing the mech underneath as well. Best to find the right mech cover, but a good one is tough to find. I believe someone in Europe reproduces them, but they are pricey. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "rockolakid" To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 6:52 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola mech cover/dress cap Hi all, Does anybody know if the mech cover/dress cap for the Rockola 1446 will fit the Rockola 1448. Thanks for any info Doug. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sun Sep 7 18:51:08 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Sep 7 18:52:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning Seeburg Mechanism In-Reply-To: <35768E2C2DD54E6F9AA937BEB2A58EA7@CraignCerena> References: <35768E2C2DD54E6F9AA937BEB2A58EA7@CraignCerena> Message-ID: <48C4850C.7010702@west.net> Craig and Cerena wrote: > Can someone give me advice on what to use to clean the mechanism on > my seeburg R. Thanks Remove or double-bag the motor, trip switch, latch solenoid, and popularity meter solenoid. Be very careful with the reversing switch blade so as not to damage it. Remove the record rack and wash it separately. Then, there are a couple of options. Some people take the mech in the back of a pickup to a coin-op car wash and hit it with the high pressure soap hose, then rinse thoroughly. I've used engine cleaner. Test a small amount on the blue paint on the select-o-matic nameplate to ensure that it doesn't strip it. In any event, rinse thoroughly and then immediately dry in direct sunlight if you have a warm day, or under heat lamps. Re-lubricate *everything* according to the manual. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From rockolakid at ntlworld.com Mon Sep 8 06:42:58 2008 From: rockolakid at ntlworld.com (rockolakid) Date: Mon Sep 8 06:44:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola mech cover/dress cap References: <000501c91152$d055bc80$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <1AA1C7EAEF6540B5ACD5F387C72C7063@bossyboots> Thank you Jim. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola mech cover/dress cap > It will "fit" in the sense that it will bolt down on the turntable support > plate, but it won't look right. The front is open, exposing parts of the > mech underneath, and the right side isn't wide enough, exposing the mech > underneath as well. Best to find the right mech cover, but a good one is > tough to find. I believe someone in Europe reproduces them, but they are > pricey. Good luck, > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rockolakid" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 6:52 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola mech cover/dress cap > > > Hi all, > Does anybody know if the mech cover/dress cap for the Rockola 1446 > will fit the Rockola 1448. > Thanks for any info Doug. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 8 10:01:02 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 8 10:03:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning Seeburg Mechanism Message-ID: <20080908.130102.6466.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Is it now clear for me to post on this site? I agree with the 2nd cleaning method suggested, where you would apply a degreaser (engine cleaner?) to the mech., as opposed to using a high pressure washing with water. Depending upon the water quality (most carwashes recycle their water supply these days) and how the mech. is left to dry, there could be a rust/corrosion problem. The reversing and trip leaf switch stacks (bagged during the wash process) will likely need to have their contacts cleaned as well. Caig De-Oxit is a good quality contact cleaner that doesn't leave a residue afterward. Select your cleaning chemical carefully--all "control cleaner" aerosols are not the same. What's worked for me is to soak some rough thick paper stock (i.e. a business card ) in DeOxit and swab the switch contacts carefully with it. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Scan, remove and block Spyware. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tANT1zt9SNeFQdFv4Sdp95Y1O2TlbxXdxHgoYmNz60svxQi/ From edbap at aol.com Mon Sep 8 10:14:25 2008 From: edbap at aol.com (Ed Baptista) Date: Mon Sep 8 10:22:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning Seeburg Mechanism In-Reply-To: <20080908.130102.6466.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080908.130102.6466.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CADFED7A3B152F-898-12F2@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com> I believe there was also a great posting a while back from Don in Colorado about cleaning seeburg Mechs, and since he has literally done hundreds,? I thought it was top notch.? Maybe someone can repost it? Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:01 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning Seeburg Mechanism Gentlemen: Is it now clear for me to post on this site? I agree with the 2nd cleaning method suggested, where you would apply a degreaser (engine cleaner?) to the mech., as opposed to using a high pressure washing with water. Depending upon the water quality (most carwashes recycle their water supply these days) and how the mech. is left to dry, there could be a rust/corrosion problem. The reversing and trip leaf switch stacks (bagged during the wash process) will likely need to have their contacts cleaned as well. Caig De-Oxit is a good quality contact cleaner that doesn't leave a residue afterward. Select your cleaning chemical carefully--all "control cleaner" aerosols are not the same. What's worked for me is to soak some rough thick paper stock (i.e. a business card ) in DeOxit and swab the switch contacts carefully with it. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Scan, remove and block Spyware. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tANT1zt9SNeFQdFv4Sdp95Y1O2TlbxXdxHgoYmNz60svxQi/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 8 10:21:59 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 8 10:24:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola mech cover/dress cap Message-ID: <20080908.132159.6466.2@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Hello: The Rockola turntable dress cap for a model 1446 has different outer dimensions and some styling changes from the 1446 cap. There won't be sufficient "deck space" in a 1446 machine to accomodate the larger 1448 cover without modifying it. The 1438 and 1446 dress caps are physically interchangeable. Victory Glass in Iowa purchased a large N.O.S. Rockola parts stock within the last year or two. U.K. supplier, "The Jukebox Man" is offering a few hard-to-locate RockOla trim parts replicated. These, in my opinion, are the best places to locate this part. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uHAelYPVTIZbq8Gclh3UDFVpIvbpS6yplexVfC072FZB2Lk/ From digital.john at btopenworld.com Mon Sep 8 10:53:53 2008 From: digital.john at btopenworld.com (digital.john@btopenworld.com) Date: Mon Sep 8 11:01:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3860 Message-ID: <718812.74644.qm@web86611.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi my Wurlitzer 3860 selects o.k from the push buttons but if you select A1 it plays S7, A2 plays S8 and so on.? Any help appreciated. John? From pinball at telus.net Mon Sep 8 11:11:25 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Sep 8 11:12:34 2008 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning a Seeburg Mech] Message-ID: <48C56ACD.5060603@telus.net> Here is the original message from May 2007 on cleaning Seeburg mechs from John Rutoskey... Someone needs to make the archives searchable - like is set up for Vectorlist on Vectorlist.org, and I am not volunteering at this time as I am in the middle of a house move! On the other hand I have all the list emails since I joined the jukebox list (in m-box format (Eudora)) way back in 1997... John :-#)# -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Cleaning a Seeburg Mech Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 12:28:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Automatic Music Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list To: Jukebox mailing list Here you go Aaron, I think it was me you are referring to. Here's the article I sent in a few years ago. I have made a few changes from the original posting. THE JOHN D. RUTOSKEY METHOD OF SEEBURG MECH CLEANING When I do a Select-O-Matic, I take it the entire mech out and set it on my truck tailgate. I remove the motor and put it in a plastic bag with a twist tie on the leads. Of course if you're going to be disassembling the motor to clean and relubricate or repair it, go ahead and de-solder the leads now and remove it completely. I remove the magazine complete with popularity and selection playing assembly (just let the selection playing block flop around loose), the cartridge, and the stripper plate, and the tone arm springs. I leave the trip switch, trip coil, popularity meter/selection playing block all in place. Next I go to Safeway and pick up a few spray cans of DOW Scrubbing Bubbles bathroom cleaner. I cover the entire mech with it like I'm putting out a fire. Mech, bed plate, tracks, all of it. This dissolves years of nicotine in a flash. Be careful though... it will also dissolve the ink used to print the metal tags on amps, name plates, as well as the blue ink on the plate on the back of the Select-O-Matic mechanism. Keep it off of there, and if it gets on it, have a spray bottle hand of clean water and a few tissues. It will dissolve this ink like crazy (the same holds true for inked tags on amps and receivers-- be careful not to get it on these). That is the only thing that the DOW Scrubbing Bubbles will harm though. It will not hurt the paint on the mechanism at all. (SIDE NOTE: Although I have never tried it, I would NOT use this stuff on original DiNoc Seeburg case finishes. I have had something as innocuous as Fantastik take that off, so I wouldn't even try it if you think it's gonna get rid of the nicotene from the sides of the machine-- it will, but will probably take the DiNoc decal off too.)Ok after that's a done deal, I spray it all off with the garden hose. Then go to Western Auto and get a few cans of "STEAM" brand engine degreaser, and a few stiff artists brushes from a craft store. I spray the entire mech liberally with the stuff, and let it do the work. You have to agitate the grease with your artists brushes, but it will come clean good as new except for any rusty areas, of course. Take your time and detail it well. You will be suprised how good it will look even though it looks like hell now with all that mucky solvent and slime and you're wondering if you are destroying the mech. Elapsed time so far should be approximately 2 hours, not counting the trips to Western Auto, the craft store, and the grocery store. Now, when you think you have agitated every speck of grease to bare metal, push the mech into your truck bed and grab a bag of quarters and a can of WD-40, and head for that kind of car wash where they give you the big hi-pressure nozzle wand to hold and where you can select SOAK SOAP RINSE SPIN, etc. from the selector box. Pull your truck into the bay, and slide the mech back out to the edge of the tailgate. Put required amount of cash into the box and hit SOAP. Now soap down the whole mechanism with this power-jet stream of water. It comes out real intensely at high pressure, just be careful when you soap the cable coverings of cloth. If it's real bad it will split up. Dont aim the jet right at that. Be careful is the key. Soap it all up real good, and the switches and everything. Ok, when that time runs out, put in more coins, and hit RINSE. Do the same thing, getting all the soap out. You'll see a real shiny Select-O-Matic, and you'll now realize how crazy you were to ever think about disassembling a Seeburg mechanism unless you absolutely have to. Ok, you arent done yet.... Get up into the truck bed and pick up the mechanism, turn it upside down and shake it to get all the water out. For this, it helps if you are real strong. Now take a can of WD-40 while you are still at the car wash. Spray the gears, cams shaft, and spray it into the trip switch as best you can (helps to use that red tube thing) Spray the switch stacks. Spray into the trip switch. This displaces the water temporarily and will eventually evaporate. Grab a rag and wipe off excess WD-40. Now go home as quick as you can because you don't want to get any surface rust. You should have already built a little heat tent in your house out of a couple desk chairs and a huge bedspread. Put a little fan forced space heater so that is blows heat into the tent, but so that the intake side of the fan is outside of the tent. Now dab out any excess water, open the little plastic bag that the motor was in, and sit it on the track next to the mech. Now sit the whole mech in the heat tent, until it is 100% dry and feels real toasty to the touch. You'll be amazed how well a mech comes out. I also do the entire magazine this way but not the popularity dials (the metal ones) because they have the blue ink on them-- I'd do the plastic ones this way though (V-200 & up). I don't think the DOW foamy cleaner will affect the black ink on those, but test it because I forget if it affects that ink or not. John D. Rutoskey Automatic Music Machines Baltimore, Maryland --- Aaron Heverin wrote: > Hi folks, > I'm about to cosmetically clean up a Seeburg Q-160 > for a good friend. However, the mech looks like it's > been dipped in a cocktail made from oil, grease, > nicotine, and barn dust. Needless to say, it has to > be cleaned using the "car wash" method. It's been > close to 4 years since I last cleaned a mech this > way and those endeavors were only on Seeburg B and C > mechs. I wanted to know if there was anything > special I should consider before cleaning a mech > from this era. I know the subject of cleaning a > Seeburg mech was covered in list postings going way > back but I can't find anything off hand, and I've > changed email accounts many times and don't have any > of my old jukebox list emails. > > Who on the list was really good with cleaning > Seeburg Mechs using the "Scrubbing Bubbles", > "foaming engine cleaner" method...then going down to > the self-serve car wash to hose everything down? I > wish I could remember who from the list I talked to > about that, but way too many projects have fouled up > my memory. > > Aaron Heverin> _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > ____________________________________________________________________________________Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pinball at telus.net Mon Sep 8 11:12:34 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Sep 8 11:13:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3860 In-Reply-To: <718812.74644.qm@web86611.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <718812.74644.qm@web86611.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48C56B12.2020600@telus.net> digital.john@btopenworld.com wrote: > Hi my Wurlitzer 3860 selects o.k from the push buttons but if you select A1 it plays S7, A2 plays S8 and so on. Any help appreciated. John > Perhaps the memory pin assembly is rotated 120 degrees? I think one can do that if one tries... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From evergreener at juno.com Mon Sep 8 13:12:10 2008 From: evergreener at juno.com (evergreener@juno.com) Date: Mon Sep 8 13:21:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts Dryer Message-ID: <20080908.131210.11299.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Here's my "parts dryer" A Styrofoam Ice chest or box liner (bigger is better) and and old fashioned hair dryer from the 1970's- the kind with the 3 ft hot air output hose- they have a nice moderrate air flow, three heat settings and fan only. Picked mine up for $3 at a junk shop. Drill a hole for the hose in the styro box and a few 1" holes for the air to escape. Put your parts inside and place the lid on I usually turn the heat down after an hour or so to cool the parts. Works fantastic if your parts fit in the box- if not I lay a towel over the top of the whole works. Matthew Oly Wa ____________________________________________________________ Make more on your investments with qualified asset management. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iigFR29EKF5LfsOLUdvyJsLFs09aLjoc0S8WjPCR2PohMT6t4/ From tadperez at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 14:59:33 2008 From: tadperez at gmail.com (tad perez) Date: Mon Sep 8 15:00:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1964 Rockola 424 record speed Message-ID: <1994498c0809081459x404da4cdr263911d6d58ad74e@mail.gmail.com> I'm a rookie in the jukebox world and I would like some help in adjusting the record speed on my 1964 Rockola 424 princess royal. Can anyone give me advice? I also want to convert the coin mech to free play if anyone knows. Thank you Tad From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Sep 8 15:41:23 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Sep 8 15:42:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1964 Rockola 424 record speed In-Reply-To: <1994498c0809081459x404da4cdr263911d6d58ad74e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <374593.28022.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Rookie, First of all, do you have a Service Manual ? ( I don't have one handy here at the moment). Look at the credit unit section, and you should see a "cancel" (credit), or "subtract" (credit) solenoid. You will see that it is mounted on a "stand", which is held to the unit with two screws. I just remove one of the screws, and slide the solenoid so that when it's energized, the pawl can not push the wheel back to Zero credit. (of course, you do have to add credits once).As for the speed--there are no adjustments, unless it's a 33/45 rpm phono. If so, the service manual goes thru the whole proceedure. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/8/08, tad perez wrote: From: tad perez Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1964 Rockola 424 record speed To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 2:59 PM I'm a rookie in the jukebox world and I would like some help in adjusting the record speed on my 1964 Rockola 424 princess royal. Can anyone give me advice? I also want to convert the coin mech to free play if anyone knows. Thank you Tad _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 8 16:18:07 2008 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Mon Sep 8 16:25:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1939 Seeburg Classic - Looking for a few good parts Message-ID: <19051.47599.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi List, I'm in need of selector buttons and a tone arm & mounting bits for a 1939 Seeburg Classic. Anyone out there know of a source for these things or perhaps someone parting out said machine? You can contact me off list at NotarySojac@SBCGlobal.net. Any leads appreciated! Thanks, Bob - Chicago From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 17:45:55 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon Sep 8 17:46:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1964 Rockola 424 record speed In-Reply-To: <1994498c0809081459x404da4cdr263911d6d58ad74e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1994498c0809081459x404da4cdr263911d6d58ad74e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If the turntable runs slows, you have a few likely culprits- 1) dirty (oily) and/or worn turntable idler wheel 2) turntable motor in need of oil 3) worn/deteriorated turntable grommets. If they look flat/crushed, they probably need to be replaced (easy to do). To see if this is causing the speed problem, lift the turntable motor up about 1/8" to 1/4" inch while a record is playing. If the speed goes to normal, then that is your problem. If you need a set of turntable grommets, contact me off-list. I have a few sets available for sale. Thomas On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:59 PM, tad perez wrote: > I'm a rookie in the jukebox world and I would like some help in adjusting > the record speed on my 1964 Rockola 424 princess royal. Can anyone give me > advice? > > I also want to convert the coin mech to free play if anyone knows. > > Thank you > Tad > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Mon Sep 8 17:15:25 2008 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Mon Sep 8 18:08:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB: Service Manual for NSM Concert 240 III Message-ID: I am looking for a US or Canadian source for a service manual for my NSM Concert 240 III jukebox. If you have one for sale or know where I can obtain one, please contact me. Additionally, if you know of someone who rebuilds the ESIII/ESIV carriage, I am looking for that service as well. Jon Scaptura Endicott, NY jscaptura@stny.rr.com From gibson510 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 18:03:20 2008 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Mon Sep 8 18:10:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] cleaning a mechanism Message-ID: I think the car wash method is a bit excessive to remove grime. You can achieve the same result in the back yard or driveway. The simplest and easiest method can be found on Mike Zucarros video "restoring a Seeburg C" For the degreaser part I've found Castrol Purple Degreaser (most auto stores) works better than Gunk Foamy engine bright. Hook up a garden hose with sprayer to the spigot on your home hot water heater. Hot water works great, but cold will do just fine. I turn the mech upside down and get the real crud on the bottom as well. The important thing is to have a compressor, portable air tank, and blow gun to force the water out when you are done rinsing. Then you can air dry in the sun, or even use a heat gun or hair dryer to aid in the drying process. Then using the factory lubrication schedule (and some common sense) get on it with your zoom spout oiler for the hard to reach areas. Because the motor is off you can trip the mechanism and cycle it a few time so be sure all moving parts have been addressed. Don't for get the small hole in the casting near the clutch that covers the horizontal shaft. If you would like to see a before and after of a C mechanism contact me off the list and I'll send you the photos. That's my 2 cents on how to do it. I figured this topic would get alot of attention as everyone has their own certain way of doing it. I think Mike's video is still available through always jukin or contact him yourself. Rick _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From jayoldschool at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 18:46:51 2008 From: jayoldschool at hotmail.com (jason w) Date: Mon Sep 8 18:47:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: cleaning a mechanism Message-ID: Wouldn't automotive brake cleaner be an ideal choice for cleaing a mech? Aerosol, works instantly to dissolve oil and grease without wiping/agitating, and dries almost immediately. Safe for wiring, too... Jason. _________________________________________________________________ From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Sep 8 19:30:05 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Sep 8 19:37:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: cleaning a mechanism Message-ID: Brake cleaner strips paint and attacks some plastics. Can be applied to particularly gummy parts but should be kept away from painted parts and plastic. So not particularly good for spraying all over a mech. It will eat the plastic detent switch actuator on a tormat machine,the plastic wire holder on an SS160 and up and might attack the plastic parts of the stack switch. That Dow bathroom cleaner mentioned in the old post sure is great stuff. Also recently I have found Spray Nine(Found at ACE Hardware,Home Depot and Lowes) to be great stuff for cleaning grease and cigarette tar .I made a little protection for my C mech emblem when I cleaned it with the Scrubbing Bubbles. I cut some clear plastic out of one of the ubiquitous heavy plastic that everything is packaged in these days just slightly larger than the emblem and sealed it all around with silcone caulk and allowed it to dry the required 24 hours before starting my washdown. I could spray cleaner at will without worrying about that emblem.Then after it was all over with I cut it off with a razor blade and had a perfectly undamaged emblem. J.C. In a message dated 9/8/2008 9:48:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jayoldschool@hotmail.com writes: Wouldn't automotive brake cleaner be an ideal choice for cleaing a mech? Aerosol, works instantly to dissolve oil and grease without wiping/agitating, and dries almost immediately. Safe for wiring, too... Jason. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From dave.halford at telent.com Tue Sep 9 00:38:42 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Tue Sep 9 00:47:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: cleaning a mechanism Message-ID: <20080909073844.2226B156B10@blade109.la.inty.net> Wasn't there a whole slew of posts a while ago on the virtues of Sudsy Ammonia for cleaning mechs? A lot of bathroom cleaners contain lime scale remover - this is very acidic and if not washed off very throughly would be excellent for disolving those troublesome alloy castings with shiney finishes that are the curse of the juke owner. We have a bathroom cleaner in the UK called Cilit Bang, it will clean all the oxide off a penny in 15 seconds. I wouldn't let it anywhere near my near worthless old 443. My experience of engine cleaners is that they leave a slimy residue that only a jet wash seems to shift. regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From dave.halford at telent.com Tue Sep 9 01:05:35 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Tue Sep 9 01:15:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:moving jukeboxes Message-ID: <20080909080536.02E367805B@blade107.lb.inty.net> Also known in the UK as a sack truck. regards Dave H jason w To: Jukebox mailing list Sent by: cc: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE:moving jukeboxes etlojix.com 06/09/2008 16:51 Please respond to Jukebox mailing list >Is this one of those hand trucks with the belts that runup the back, or something different? Yes. Mine is a really nice one. It is aluminum, and has spring loaded retracting belts that come out the sides. It also has a couple of rubber tracks on wheels on the back that allow it to glide up and down stairs really easily. Big handles on the top, and the sides are solid channels that have extra handles. Makes moving things a one person job. _________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission or for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From jeremy at dwave.net Tue Sep 9 06:02:34 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue Sep 9 06:24:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB: Service Manual for NSM Concert 240 III In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080909130055.M11033@dwave.net> Hi John, I have worked on the ESIII mechs. There is not much to them. What kind of problems are you having? Jeremy Agema On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:15:25 -0400, Jon Scaptura wrote > I am looking for a US or Canadian source for a service manual for my > NSM Concert 240 III jukebox. If you have one for sale or know where > I can obtain one, please contact me. Additionally, if you know of > someone who rebuilds the ESIII/ESIV carriage, I am looking for that > service as well. > > Jon Scaptura > Endicott, NY > jscaptura@stny.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jjblue4 at juno.com Tue Sep 9 07:53:12 2008 From: jjblue4 at juno.com (jjblue4@juno.com) Date: Tue Sep 9 08:03:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Festival Control Computer... Message-ID: <20080909.075312.5774.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> I was wondering if anyone has an extra control and credit computer for a NSM Festival. I replaced the main computer/amp board and recapped it just to find out it was the control computer. When I was probing around with the ohm meter, I touched two prongs together and put a whole in the board. I can operate it just fine by clicking the relay switches but that's getting old. I don't have a part number but can get one when I get home. I am going to say that its a es-160 machine. ____________________________________________________________ Win the battle of the bulge with great liposuction solutions. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nELS4gSWi6TAKS1tG2CGkiWR3jKlwXISBSm9EXMEkWutRfQ/ From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Tue Sep 9 08:24:37 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Tue Sep 9 08:25:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Festival Control Computer... In-Reply-To: <20080909.075312.5774.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <997796.42243.qm@web54603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi: I scrapped the same machine as I could not get the motor to run at the right speed. When it was in the machine it worked. If you want it let me know and we can work something out Please also send me a picture of yours so I know if it is the same. ? Regards, Tony --- On Tue, 9/9/08, jjblue4@juno.com wrote: From: jjblue4@juno.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Festival Control Computer... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 10:53 AM I was wondering if anyone has an extra control and credit computer for a NSM Festival. I replaced the main computer/amp board and recapped it just to find out it was the control computer. When I was probing around with the ohm meter, I touched two prongs together and put a whole in the board. I can operate it just fine by clicking the relay switches but that's getting old. I don't have a part number but can get one when I get home. I am going to say that its a es-160 machine. ____________________________________________________________ Win the battle of the bulge with great liposuction solutions. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nELS4gSWi6TAKS1tG2CGkiWR3jKlwXISBSm9EXMEkWutRfQ/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From steve at pro-ns.net Tue Sep 9 08:21:57 2008 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Tue Sep 9 08:45:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes and arpartment dilemma ?? Headphones?? In-Reply-To: <000901c90bc2$7a7ad100$df1f8b45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> References: <967394.44177.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000901c90bc2$7a7ad100$df1f8b45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080909152157.GA13418@pro-ns.net> On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 07:37:05PM -0400, dguarino1 wrote: > Does this mean nobody has any advice on the headphone issue? > See original message. If I really wanted to do this, depending on the jukebox, I'd disconnect the cartridge from the amplifier and connect the cartridge to a home stereo reciever (if you don't have one, you can often obtain an old one at a pawn shop for cheap). If it's a magnetic cartridge, you have to figure out a way to run a ground wire. If it's a mono Wurlitzer with a cobra, it won't work. For other mono cartridges you'd use a Y cable to connect to both sides on the reciever. If it's a ceramic cartridge and the reciever has only a magnetic phono input, use the aux or tape inputs, not the phono connection. You'd lose the mute function, but the amp would still be connected to the speakers, so there's no problem with the amp not being loaded; it just doesn't get any signal so it makes little to no sound. The stereo reciever is set up correctly for headphones. I'm pretty much assuming that somewhere between the cartridge and the AMP there's an RCA jack (or a pair of them for stereo). I think that's true on my Wurlitzer 2410S, and I know it's true for my AMI F120 (the cartridge cable connects with an RCA jack right at the amplifier). If so, that's probably the right place to make the connection. The result is you're just using the jukebox as a (rather complex) turntable. --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? --Unknown From tadperez at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 12:59:10 2008 From: tadperez at gmail.com (tad perez) Date: Tue Sep 9 13:00:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1964 Rockola 424 record speed In-Reply-To: References: <1994498c0809081459x404da4cdr263911d6d58ad74e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1994498c0809091259v640a87d1we1bfb3aadd37babd@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the advice, I'll check the grommets, what type of oil should I use (sewing machine oil)? I was told to use liquid graphite. On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Thomas Teeter wrote: > If the turntable runs slows, you have a few likely culprits- > 1) dirty (oily) and/or worn turntable idler wheel > 2) turntable motor in need of oil > 3) worn/deteriorated turntable grommets. If they look flat/crushed, they > probably need to be replaced (easy to do). To see if this is causing the > speed problem, lift the turntable motor up about 1/8" to 1/4" inch while a > record is playing. If the speed goes to normal, then that is your problem. > If you need a set of turntable grommets, contact me off-list. I have a few > sets available for sale. > > Thomas > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:59 PM, tad perez wrote: > > > I'm a rookie in the jukebox world and I would like some help in adjusting > > the record speed on my 1964 Rockola 424 princess royal. Can anyone give > me > > advice? > > > > I also want to convert the coin mech to free play if anyone knows. > > > > Thank you > > Tad > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 16:00:36 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 9 16:01:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1964 Rockola 424 record speed In-Reply-To: <1994498c0809091259v640a87d1we1bfb3aadd37babd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <276789.29603.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Tad, The grommets should be an "off white" color, and must still be "spongy", and the "domed" side should be installed "up". INMHO, NOTHING except SAE 20 wt. ND?motor oil, should be used ("3 in One" makes it in small cans, other brands are available at GOOD auto parts stores in qt. sized jugs). Those motor bearings do wear out, if they run dry for a long time. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/9/08, tad perez wrote: From: tad perez Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1964 Rockola 424 record speed To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 12:59 PM Thanks for the advice, I'll check the grommets, what type of oil should I use (sewing machine oil)? I was told to use liquid graphite. On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Thomas Teeter wrote: > If the turntable runs slows, you have a few likely culprits- > 1) dirty (oily) and/or worn turntable idler wheel > 2) turntable motor in need of oil > 3) worn/deteriorated turntable grommets. If they look flat/crushed, they > probably need to be replaced (easy to do). To see if this is causing the > speed problem, lift the turntable motor up about 1/8" to 1/4" inch while a > record is playing. If the speed goes to normal, then that is your problem. > If you need a set of turntable grommets, contact me off-list. I have a few > sets available for sale. > > Thomas > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:59 PM, tad perez wrote: > > > I'm a rookie in the jukebox world and I would like some help in adjusting > > the record speed on my 1964 Rockola 424 princess royal. Can anyone give > me > > advice? > > > > I also want to convert the coin mech to free play if anyone knows. > > > > Thank you > > Tad > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From wbabbott at verizon.net Tue Sep 9 16:55:34 2008 From: wbabbott at verizon.net (Britt Abbott) Date: Tue Sep 9 17:57:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] cleaning a mechanism Message-ID: <6658555.6832821221004534819.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> The one old post that stuck in my mind was Rick's method of driveway garden hose, air compressor, but instead of the engine degreaser, use a spray bottle of Simple Green, maybe even use a toothbrush or other soft bristle brush to work it around before hose and air compressor. Like another poster... engine degreaser leaves a slimey film that's hard to remove and most brake cleaners I've used, dry quickly, but also leave a film. I believe Simple Green will take off everything and not leave a residue. That what I plan to use on my 100C whenever I get around to restoring it..... Britt Chesapeake, VA On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 9:03 PM, rick murray wrote: > I think the car wash method is a bit excessive to remove grime. You can achieve the same result in the back yard or driveway.? The simplest and easiest method can be found on Mike Zucarros video "restoring a Seeburg C"? For the degreaser part I've found Castrol Purple Degreaser (most auto stores) works better than Gunk Foamy engine bright. Hook up a garden hose with sprayer to the spigot on your home hot water heater. Hot water works great, but cold will do just fine. I turn the mech upside down and get the real crud on the bottom as well. The important thing is to have a compressor, portable air tank, and blow gun to force the water out when you are done rinsing. Then you can air dry in the sun, or even use a heat gun or hair dryer to aid in the drying process. Then using the factory lubrication schedule (and some common sense) get on it with your zoom spout oiler for the hard to reach areas. Because the motor is off you can trip the mechanism and cycle it a few time so be sure all moving parts have been addressed. Don't for get the small hole in the casting near the clutch that covers the horizontal shaft.? If you would like to see a before and after of a C mechanism contact me off the list and I'll send you the photos.? That's my 2 cents on how to do it.? I figured this topic would get alot of attention as everyone has their own certain way of doing it. I think Mike's video is still available through always jukin or contact him yourself. Rick _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008_______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From joe400f at shaw.ca Tue Sep 9 19:28:48 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Tue Sep 9 19:29:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] cleaning a mechanism References: <6658555.6832821221004534819.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <001801c912ec$f53b5d20$939f4f18@compaq> Simple green is a great cleaner. I used it on my Seeburg C and R mechanism. It is plenty strong and will not damage anything like paint and plastics. I also cut it 50/50 with water before using it. Big deal if you need to spray it twice for a real grimmy mech. Anything stronger than using simple green is a sign of being impatient. It works well and will wash off completely with a garden hose. Hey, you can clean a mech with gas. That will also work. Use common sense. Be patient. A stronger chemical will cause damage. Engine degreasers tend to leave a smell after rinsed off. Also, engine degreasers are designed to remove baked on oils that have been oxidized at 200 plus degrees. Sounds similar to oven cleaner. I am a shop foreman at a GM dealership and we stopped using engine degreasers/shampoos 10 years ago. Complaints about prolonged smell and hazing on painted surfaces was the biggest problems. We use other safer water based products and have better results. Someone mentioned " brake cleen ". That is the biggest scam going in automotive products. Also, very dangerous. If you want cancer, respiratory problems, severe skin reactions and everything else bad then use it. We also stopped using brake cleen at least 5 years ago. Not soon enough. I have 18 years exposure to that stuff and that scares me to think about it never mind use it anymore. Joey McDonald From crobertson19405 at comcast.net Wed Sep 10 05:05:08 2008 From: crobertson19405 at comcast.net (Craig and Cerena) Date: Wed Sep 10 05:11:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Changing capacitors Message-ID: <94543305085449F794510B4ABD441122@CraignCerena> Sorry for all the questions but I'm new to this list. I'm trying to restore a HF100R that I recently came across. I found it in an old church hall. So far I restored the cabinet and now I trying to restore the internal electronics. This jukebox had been sitting for years in the basement of the church hall when I found it. It was missing all of the vacuum tubes. I haven't been able to test anything yet. I would like to replace the capacitors and was wondering how hard this is to do. I'm pretty good with my hands but have never worked on anything like this before. I'm open to any suggestions. Thanks for all your help. Craig Maryland From bobfav at cox.net Wed Sep 10 06:52:21 2008 From: bobfav at cox.net (bobfav@cox.net) Date: Wed Sep 10 07:05:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukes - Help me Assign a value estimate? In-Reply-To: <20080909190002.3C333AABBF@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <20080910095221.834MX.211916.imail@eastrmwml31> Good Day Fellow Jukers A friend has asked me to dispose of a pile of 50's Seeburg stuff, and I thought I would start here. I would like some comments as to price, and of course if anyone is interested, hit me back and we can talk. These machines are completely as-found. Purchased from an old operator, most are quite complete and havent been fiddled with in 20 years. A few had some water damage at the bottom, but not bad at all, and the cabinets are still solid. All have coin gear and mech covers. We have: 3 Seeburg M100C, plus another complete guts with no cabinet *** 3 Seeburg HF100R, of which one is dismantled but complete *** 3 Seeburg M100B *** 2 Seeburg 222, 1 of which is complete and working with rebuilt electronics *** 7 Seeburg wallboxes - 100 and 200 select *** 6 Rowe / AMI wallboxes *** Small pile of Trashcan parts *** Chicago Coin Driving Game *** Some odd glass and frames from pinballs *** Some woodrail pinball pieces *** 3 extra glass domes for jukeboxes *** He was staring at $10,000. I await your comments. The machines are located in New England. Thanks Bob From Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu Wed Sep 10 07:12:00 2008 From: Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu (Tyler, Ronald) Date: Wed Sep 10 07:14:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Changing capacitors References: <94543305085449F794510B4ABD441122@CraignCerena> Message-ID: I strongly recommend that you send it to Bill Bickers for the amp rebuild. The selection receiver next to it need rebuilding also. You will never regret not trying to do it yourself. Ron Tyler ________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of Craig and Cerena Sent: Wed 9/10/2008 5:05 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Changing capacitors Sorry for all the questions but I'm new to this list. I'm trying to restore a HF100R that I recently came across. I found it in an old church hall. So far I restored the cabinet and now I trying to restore the internal electronics. This jukebox had been sitting for years in the basement of the church hall when I found it. It was missing all of the vacuum tubes. I haven't been able to test anything yet. I would like to replace the capacitors and was wondering how hard this is to do. I'm pretty good with my hands but have never worked on anything like this before. I'm open to any suggestions. Thanks for all your help. Craig Maryland _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Sep 10 08:36:10 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Sep 10 08:38:47 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Changing capacitors Message-ID: <20080910.113610.10382.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Hello: In answer to your questions about making a capacitor change: Do you have a basic knowledge of how electronic circuits work? Are you comfortable working with wiring, solder,etc? You'll need to have the proper soldering tools, needle-nose pliers, cutters, a volt-ohm meter, etc. Do you have the service manual for your Seeburg R? If yes to all the above, changing capacitors will involve you buying a "cap kit" from one of the classic jukebox parts suppliers (i.e. Victory Glass, A-1, Tisdale,etc) carefully unwiring the old capacitors and installing the new ones. You can usually buy new tube kits from the same vendors. Here are some other important points to consider before you move ahead with this: Some of the new capacitors may be packaged differently than the originals you are replacing and may need some wiring modifications (usually simple) to accomodate. There can (and will likely be) other circuit problems with a 50+ year old amp that a "cap job" alone will not cure. Do you feel confident in troubleshooting/fixing something like this? The general condition of the amp needs to be verified before putting in new tubes, plugging it in and powering it up. There's the possibility of causing expensive damage if you do this. The selection receiver chassis in your R will likely need to be checked and serviced as well. If you don't feel comfortable addressing these conditions, you'd be better served if you shipped the two chassis off to one of the servicers that rebuild these units. If you purchase a new tube kit,be sure to send it along. You'll find several that advertise in Always Jukin' or Jukebox Collector magazine. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander email:jalexandercc@netzero.net. ____________________________________________________________ It's never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vdf9VQdH1rkLXH5cs51wa2Ma6MAoLbozuwTHPcfhAZirGqi/ From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 15:05:42 2008 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Wed Sep 10 15:23:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1650 - Cancel all selections Message-ID: Does anyone know how to cancel all the selections on a wurlitzer 1650 juke box. The service manual refers to a cancel arm but, I believe it only refers to the selection that was just played. I am trying to cancel all the selections. Anyone?? Carl From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Wed Sep 10 15:49:47 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Wed Sep 10 15:50:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukes - Help me Assign a value estimate? In-Reply-To: <20080910095221.834MX.211916.imail@eastrmwml31> Message-ID: <892848.94992.qm@web54607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> HI: I called my buyer and he is definately interested. He said price will depend on condition and he is a good buyer. I await your pictures. ? Thanks Tony --- On Wed, 9/10/08, bobfav@cox.net wrote: From: bobfav@cox.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukes - Help me Assign a value estimate? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 9:52 AM Good Day Fellow Jukers A friend has asked me to dispose of a pile of 50's Seeburg stuff, and I thought I would start here. I would like some comments as to price, and of course if anyone is interested, hit me back and we can talk. These machines are completely as-found. Purchased from an old operator, most are quite complete and havent been fiddled with in 20 years. A few had some water damage at the bottom, but not bad at all, and the cabinets are still solid. All have coin gear and mech covers. We have: 3 Seeburg M100C, plus another complete guts with no cabinet *** 3 Seeburg HF100R, of which one is dismantled but complete *** 3 Seeburg M100B *** 2 Seeburg 222, 1 of which is complete and working with rebuilt electronics *** 7 Seeburg wallboxes - 100 and 200 select *** 6 Rowe / AMI wallboxes *** Small pile of Trashcan parts *** Chicago Coin Driving Game *** Some odd glass and frames from pinballs *** Some woodrail pinball pieces *** 3 extra glass domes for jukeboxes *** He was staring at $10,000. I await your comments. The machines are located in New England. Thanks Bob _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Wed Sep 10 19:23:12 2008 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Wed Sep 10 20:25:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1650 - Cancel all selections Message-ID: Hi Carl! There is no way provided to cancel the selections in bulk on the 1650. The selector pinbank is mounted with the selector pins away from the rear of the machine, and they are not easy to get to. If you look in the gap with a mirror you can observe the selector arm encountering a pin and canceling it. I have in the past used a screwdriver to reset the pins, but, it's a bear to do with the mechanism in the jukebox.... Mel From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Sep 11 03:34:37 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Thu Sep 11 04:37:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1650 - Cancel all selections References: Message-ID: <06DFD474F2434C9CA4AA7BE4BFE5B5A9@home1903> Thanks Mel, I was wondering that myself after Carl asked the question. I took off the back door and looked at the pin bank and figured it was IMPOSSIBLE to cancel them, lol Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Knight" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 10:23 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1650 - Cancel all selections Hi Carl! There is no way provided to cancel the selections in bulk on the 1650. The selector pinbank is mounted with the selector pins away from the rear of the machine, and they are not easy to get to. If you look in the gap with a mirror you can observe the selector arm encountering a pin and canceling it. I have in the past used a screwdriver to reset the pins, but, it's a bear to do with the mechanism in the jukebox.... Mel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From johntrav at suddenlink.net Wed Sep 10 19:28:50 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Thu Sep 11 06:24:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: 1967 Seeburg Jukebox Message-ID: Can anyone offer this soldier some advice? ----- Original Message ----- From: Hughes, Shannan M Civ USAF AMC 931 MSF/DPMT To: johntrav@suddenlink.net Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:06 PM Subject: 1967 Seeburg Jukebox Mr. Travelletti, Rita at United Distributors here in Wichita gave me your email address, I hope you don't mind. My husband and I have a 1967 Seeburg Jukebox that was my mothers before she passed away. I know she bought it about 9 or so years ago and in the last 4 /5 years she had paid someone to fix it up and it was working. However, it has been stored for a few years and I am unsure as to the status of its complete condition. I know that it still looks nice with no rust nor damage. We are looking for some place or some one to sell it to. Rita said that you might at least offer us some suggestions as well as maybe help us with what it is worth. Any help or guidance you can provide will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Shannan Hughes, TSgt/GS-9 Asst. Chief, Education & Training, USAFR 53280 Topeka Street McConnell AFB, KS 67221-3767 316-759-6082, DSN 743-6082 Fax: 743-3542 From djdieterle at hughes.net Thu Sep 11 07:56:11 2008 From: djdieterle at hughes.net (Jeff Dieterle) Date: Thu Sep 11 07:11:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My quest to find a Seeburg M100A Message-ID: I've been searching for several years to find an "A" still on 78's close by, in my price range and found one 3 hours away. I asked the owner if it was setup for 78's or 45's and he replied the magazine was full of 78's. So I made the trip only to find out the guy didn't know the difference between 45's and 78's as it had the Wico coversion. The price was right, the juke was complete, no broken glass but a pretty shabby wood on the case so instead of going home empty handed I bought it. After getting it home I pulled the mechanism to see what's involved in the conversion, even though I haven't purchased a manual yet. It appears the magazine, transfer arm, tonearm, cartridge, clamp and of course gearset are changed. That's quite a bit to track down and it may be easier to look for a mechanism that hasn't been converted. Does anyone have experience with the conversion, thoughts on if it's better to replace or revert back and possible sources for parts. Also if anybody has an "A" they want converted to 45's contact me off list. Thanks Jeff Dieterle From drjukebox at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 09:41:33 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Thu Sep 11 09:42:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My quest to find a Seeburg M100A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3154d3690809110941x1b1ee57ei857950295195b508@mail.gmail.com> If I remember correctly the Dutch guys had a price guide where a M100A on 78's was appraiser at 3 or 4 times the value of one on 45's. That could be a clue that the conversion is not easy to un-do. I had an "un-conversion" WICO kit - someone had converted the machine but then put all the removed pieces in the box the kit came in. Jens On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Jeff Dieterle wrote: > I've been searching for several years to find an "A" still on 78's close by, > in my price range and found one 3 hours away. I asked the owner if it was > setup for 78's or 45's and he replied the magazine was full of 78's. So I > made the trip only to find out the guy didn't know the difference between > 45's and 78's as it had the Wico coversion. > > The price was right, the juke was complete, no broken glass but a pretty > shabby wood on the case so instead of going home empty handed I bought it. > After getting it home I pulled the mechanism to see what's involved in the > conversion, even though I haven't purchased a manual yet. It appears the > magazine, transfer arm, tonearm, cartridge, clamp and of course gearset are > changed. That's quite a bit to track down and it may be easier to look for a > mechanism that hasn't been converted. Does anyone have experience with the > conversion, thoughts on if it's better to replace or revert back and > possible sources for parts. > > Also if anybody has an "A" they want converted to 45's contact me off list. > Thanks > Jeff Dieterle > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From CSL1997 at aol.com Thu Sep 11 09:53:20 2008 From: CSL1997 at aol.com (CSL1997@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 11 10:00:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: 1967 Seeburg Jukebox Message-ID: Shannon, I also just acquired a 1967 Seeburg and had a repairman in to check it out. He said this particular machine is only worth about $250.00. It seems it has a problem working properly. He says if you fix one thing, something else goes out. I am having mine fixed anyway and just hope for the best. Best of luck to you and thank you for serving our country. Caroline **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 11:46:28 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Sep 11 11:47:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My quest to find a Seeburg M100A In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <39581.23660.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Jeff Dieterle wrote: > It appears the > magazine, transfer arm, tonearm, cartridge, clamp and of > course gearset are changed. Also the ramp. > Does anyone have experience with the > conversion, thoughts on if it's better to replace or > revert back and possible sources for parts. I've never tried to do this, so take this advice for what it's worth, but... Vanishingly few of these machines have been converted back to 78. I take that as an indication of how difficult the process is. Most of the required parts are hard to find and therefore expensive. I'd look for a 78 mechanism, ideally complete, or one that has all the parts you need. As a suggestion of the cost buying the re-conversion parts, when I converted mine back to 78 from 33, the gear set (all I needed besides styli) cost $75 exchange (from a reputable seller known to all on this list) and that was in 1978 dollars. The whole jukebox had only cost $35! From jhayes2613 at aol.com Thu Sep 11 13:02:04 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 11 13:09:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: 1967 Seeburg Jukebox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAE26065318774-1710-5F8@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> I live just up the street from them on I-35 in Kansas City... have them drop me a line. -----Original Message----- From: John Travelletti To: jukebox-list Sent: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 9:28 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: 1967 Seeburg Jukebox Can anyone offer this soldier some advice? ----- Original Message ----- From: Hughes, Shannan M Civ USAF AMC 931 MSF/DPMT To: johntrav@suddenlink.net Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:06 PM Subject: 1967 Seeburg Jukebox Mr. Travelletti, Rita at United Distributors here in Wichita gave me your email address, I hope you don't mind. My husband and I have a 1967 Seeburg Jukebox that was my mothers before she passed away. I know she bought it about 9 or so years ago and in the last 4 /5 years she had paid someone to fix it up and it was working. However, it has been stored for a few years and I am unsure as to the status of its complete condition. I know that it still looks nice with no rust nor damage. We are looking for some place or some one to sell it to. Rita said that you might at least offer us some suggestions as well as maybe help us with what it is worth. Any help or guidance you can provide will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Shannan Hughes, TSgt/GS-9 Asst. Chief, Education & Training, USAFR 53280 Topeka Street McConnell AFB, KS 67221-3767 316-759-6082, DSN 743-6082 Fax: 743-3542 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 13:38:15 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Thu Sep 11 13:39:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My quest to find a Seeburg M100A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3154d3690809111338q5a3f248as9eec1c11349f0573@mail.gmail.com> I was going to use it on my own nice original but 45 rpm M100A. They were both lost in a fire, jukebox + kit. M100A on 45s is an oversized, patience-trying PIA. M100A on 78s is a unique and wonderful jukebox. Almost all M100A were converted. Ergo - someone should start making re-conversion kits. Jens From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 14:37:25 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Sep 11 14:38:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My quest to find a Seeburg M100A In-Reply-To: <3154d3690809111338q5a3f248as9eec1c11349f0573@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <311497.74873.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > M100A on 78s is a unique and wonderful jukebox. > > Almost all M100A were converted. > Ergo - someone should start making re-conversion kits. Since it's been about a year since I did this, and to help encourage Jeff in his quest, and since everyone should appreciate what a beautiful and elegant machine the M100-A is, I'll shamelessly advertise my M100-A video, hosted on YouTube but linked from my jukebox page here: http://tildebang.com/jukebox/index.html From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 20:54:19 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Sep 11 20:55:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My quest to find a Seeburg M100A In-Reply-To: <25BC9C4B08094B349F4681388E381CA6@Enevoldsen> Message-ID: <6671.9500.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 9/11/08, dale dedic wrote: > I BOUGHT A SET, BUT HAVEN'T TRIED IT > YET. ALWAYS THOUGH IT > WOULD BE NEAT TO HAVE A JUKE THAT WOULD PLAY LP'S. > NEED TO GET BUSY ON IT. WELL!!!!! YES!!!!! THAT'S!!! TRUE!!!!!!!!! Please! Would you type a letter this way? :-) Seriously, I've got to tell you, that the M100-A, as an LP album player, roundly sucks. Not only is the pickup compliance and tracking weight totally unsuited to playing LPs (even with the 45 "black head" styli), one of the best things about the M100-A is the show that it puts on. And that show creeps down from a Gene Kellyesque athletic dance routine to a geriatric softshoe shuffle when the machine only cycles every 20 minutes or so, and then lethargically. I don't know why the Day Island Yacht Club (where my machine came from) decided to do this, unless it was to provide unattended dinner music, but as soon as I saw the humiliation to which this noble machine had been put, I resolved to bring it back to its former glory. From ddedic at earthlink.net Thu Sep 11 19:45:45 2008 From: ddedic at earthlink.net (dale dedic) Date: Fri Sep 12 00:08:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My quest to find a Seeburg M100A References: <311497.74873.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <25BC9C4B08094B349F4681388E381CA6@Enevoldsen> THIS JUKEBOX WOULD ALSO PLAY THE LARGE 12 INCH 78'S. THIS MEANS IT WOULD ALSO FIT 12 INCH 33 1/3 LPS. SOMEONE WAS SELLING THE CONVERSION SET FOR THIS YEARS AGO. I BOUGHT A SET, BUT HAVEN'T TRIED IT YET. ALWAYS THOUGH IT WOULD BE NEAT TO HAVE A JUKE THAT WOULD PLAY LP'S. NEED TO GET BUSY ON IT. DALE ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My quest to find a Seeburg M100A > > --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > >> M100A on 78s is a unique and wonderful jukebox. >> >> Almost all M100A were converted. >> Ergo - someone should start making re-conversion kits. > > Since it's been about a year since I did this, and to > help encourage Jeff in his quest, and since everyone > should appreciate what a beautiful and elegant machine > the M100-A is, I'll shamelessly advertise my M100-A > video, hosted on YouTube but linked from my jukebox page > here: > > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/index.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 06:02:22 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Fri Sep 12 06:03:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My quest to find a Seeburg M100A In-Reply-To: <3154d3690809111338q5a3f248as9eec1c11349f0573@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <234557.53603.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I bought an "Old Operators" parts lot a couple years ago. In the next few weeks I will be moving them out of storage. There were Seeburg conversion sets in the lot. I sold a few on Ebay. They have a neat little sign that says for Seeburg 45 RPM conversion. I could never figure out if they were the 78 RPM parts removed or new 45 RPM parts the operator neer used. If anyone is still interested when (if) I find the parts I will post a picture. Maybe we can tell by the number of teeth on the gears? David --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > From: Jens Hultgren > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My quest to find a Seeburg M100A > To: "Jeff Dieterle" , "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 2:38 PM > I was going to use it on my own nice original but 45 rpm > M100A. > They were both lost in a fire, jukebox + kit. > > M100A on 45s is an oversized, patience-trying PIA. > M100A on 78s is a unique and wonderful jukebox. > > Almost all M100A were converted. > Ergo - someone should start making re-conversion kits. > > Jens > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 07:09:57 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Sep 12 07:11:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My quest to find a Seeburg M100A In-Reply-To: <234557.53603.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <228176.48119.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 9/12/08, david wendell wrote: > I could never figure > out if they were the 78 RPM parts removed or new 45 RPM > parts the operator neer used. If anyone is still interested > when (if) I find the parts I will post a picture. Maybe we > can tell by the number of teeth on the gears? Easier than that, it's easy to tell if it's a 45 kit because the flywheel (turntable) clamp face will have a raised ring the size of a 45 center hole, and the tone arm will have sort of a weird "dogleg" in it to adjust the tracking angle of the pickup to the smaller diameter of the record. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Sep 12 15:51:08 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Sep 12 15:53:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My quest to find a Seeburg M100A Message-ID: <20080912.185108.17766.1@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I am aware of an independent jukebox service tech in Columbus OH who places ads occasionally in the jukebox magazines, indicating that he was dealing/working with Seeburg 100-A conversion kits. I'm not aware of what he specifically has to offer. contact: Dan Colabuno PH 740 653 3105 email: dcolabuno@yahoo.com Hope this helps, Jim Alexander email: jalexandercc@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Click here for low prices on a huge selection of popcorn poppers! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tOWmNQ4fHG5XdGfNEFlzjV7IiC23TBjGqNDgmvFnZZX8fHw/ From jayoldschool at hotmail.com Fri Sep 12 15:59:42 2008 From: jayoldschool at hotmail.com (jason w) Date: Fri Sep 12 16:00:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: My quest to find a Seeburg M100A In-Reply-To: <20080912190003.8B9E8AAE86@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20080912190003.8B9E8AAE86@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: I had an M100A at one point in my collecting/buying/selling. It was part of a lot I bought out of a warehouse. Included a dozen 3W1s, a few C mechs, a bunch of amps, and a box of tubes and service remote switches. The A had a C mech in it. Worked well, but the thing was a monster. I ended up selling it for a decent price after a bit. I've never actually seen one on 78s... Jason. _________________________________________________________________ From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 16:09:28 2008 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Fri Sep 12 16:10:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1600/1650 Selection Mechanism will not stop. Message-ID: I am in the process of restoring a Wurly 1650 but, I having issues with the selector mechanism. The issue is that it continues to play and play. I looked at the selector coils and all the pins are in the retracted position. However, the selector continues to play records. The wheels goes around and seems to stop randomly. The it goes through the motion of pushing back the pin that is already retracted. Any thoughts from anyone??? From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 18:42:51 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Sep 12 18:43:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: My quest to find a Seeburg M100A In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <90199.75828.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 9/12/08, jason w wrote: > I've never actually seen one on 78s... Did you look at the video? :-) From jayoldschool at hotmail.com Fri Sep 12 18:52:57 2008 From: jayoldschool at hotmail.com (jason w) Date: Fri Sep 12 18:53:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: My quest to find a Seeburg M100A In-Reply-To: <20080912190003.8B9E8AAE86@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20080912190003.8B9E8AAE86@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: > I've never actually seen one on 78s...>Did you look at the video? :-) lol... IN PERSON _________________________________________________________________ From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Fri Sep 12 20:51:57 2008 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Fri Sep 12 21:54:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1600/1650 Selection Mechanism will not stop. Message-ID: <7F34B95D843048BC951B1F0C71BEE47B@VistaServer> Hi Carl & Lynne! Sounds like the override switch is out of adjustment. It's located at the rear of the machine. Be patient, it usually takes several tries to get the adjustment correct. If you look at the rear of the mechanism, just below the tray takeout arm (the thing that goes up and down) and to the left of the heart shaped cam follower wheel at the 9 o'clock position you will see a black micro switch with 2 screws facing you. What needs to happen is you need to loosen 1 of the screws on the micro switch and move it closer to the selector, very slightly, if you are real quiet you will hear it click! retighten and make a selection, if it does not start, and a pin has tripped, you went a little too close. Believe me, it's a fairly tedious adjustment to make.... If you need any pics I can do that too!! Mel From recordhound at verizon.net Sat Sep 13 14:19:22 2008 From: recordhound at verizon.net (Jimmy Day) Date: Sat Sep 13 15:21:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1600/1650 Selection Mechanism will Message-ID: <000601c915e6$64f97060$0200000a@screwylo> Carl and Lynne - I have a 1400 which is nearly the same mech. Hopefully, this will be helpful to you - There is a "wobble plate switch" mounted on the pinbank, around the 7 PM position viewed from rear. If this is out of adjustment or bad, the mech will think there is always a pin tripped and will continue to cycle. Adjustment is kinda "finicky", although that's not really a technical term. Also, there are 2 microswitches on the front of the mech, they may need adjustment also. I would be surprised if it is something else. Jackie has a 1650 and she knows every nut, bolt, switch and doohickey in this jukebox. This is a pretty active forum and I am probably the seventeenth person to reply to your post! *jimmy (a link to my Wurlitzer group, I would be honored if you would join!) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wurlitzer/?yguid=7442299 From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Sep 13 16:18:40 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Sep 13 16:25:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SEEBURG PARTS 4 SALE Message-ID: <8CAE40E314C8BF0-10A8-1DE8@MBLK-M05.sysops.aol.com> Got the Seeburg Q this far along and am considering bailing out... the damned amp rebuild is going to cost me too much and I really don't need this damn box. I? have a decent amp, tormat unit, two mechs, redhead cartridges, two selector units, menu strip holders, decent back door, hardware, name it, I have it. Thought I'd put the word out to all of you before going the Ebay route. Contact me off list... I don't want to give the stuff away but will listen to reasonable offers. From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Sep 14 05:56:42 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sun Sep 14 06:59:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1600/1650 Selection Mechanism will References: <000601c915e6$64f97060$0200000a@screwylo> Message-ID: Jimmy, that is true...about knowing all the nuts and bolts of my machine....however I dont know what they all do so I think I would be of no service to Carl (except maybe pics) but appreciate your confidence in me, LOL It's good to hear from you! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Day" To: Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:19 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1600/1650 Selection Mechanism will > Carl and Lynne - > > I have a 1400 which is nearly the same mech. Hopefully, this will be > helpful to you - > > There is a "wobble plate switch" mounted on the pinbank, around the 7 PM > position viewed from rear. If this is out of adjustment or bad, the mech > will think there is always a pin tripped and will continue to cycle. > Adjustment is kinda "finicky", although that's not really a technical > term. > > Also, there are 2 microswitches on the front of the mech, they may need > adjustment also. > > I would be surprised if it is something else. > > Jackie has a 1650 and she knows every nut, bolt, switch and doohickey in > this jukebox. > > This is a pretty active forum and I am probably the seventeenth person to > reply to your post! > > *jimmy > > (a link to my Wurlitzer group, I would be honored if you would join!) > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wurlitzer/?yguid=7442299 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Sep 14 15:15:52 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Sep 14 15:23:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is it better to let a juke go cheap than have it befall this tragedy? Message-ID: This week I gained possession of the remains of a Wurlitzer 1800. It is a parts only box. I will be listing many of the good parts on ebay. I'm keeping some mechanical parts such as motors since they work on other Wurlizers with the carousel mech and I have 2 that may need a motor someday.If you need a Wurlitzer 1800 part let me know before I list everything. All chrome will need replating ,however I found 1 piece that may be useable as is.The coin gear is good shape with a couple small rust spots on the rejector itself. The 2 woofers may be useable as the cones have been wet but no tears,the midrange is pretty well shot,the tweeter is in good shape.The keyboard is not too bad.All the keys move freely and some are still useable if you can repaint the red number inserts.the pinbank/junction box looks useable,not all rusted up. Anyway here is the story.This juke belonged to a church and was in an abandoned school building.Apporoximately 1 year ago this juke was nice and dry and played. An offer was made for $900(not by me).It was turned down and the juke remained in the buildiing. After that the roof caved in and it began to rain on the 1800 every time it rained. When they went to move it the cabinet fell apart. Then a friend of mine found out about it. He offered $100 for the parts which was accepted. Before he could get over there someone bashed in the side glasses and sledgehammered the mech to get the records out. What a dummy. Most could be got out without all that. It was mid cycle but the arms could have been pulled down in order to turn the carousel. What a shame.The guy should have taken the $900. At least he or his church would have that and the juke would have been saved. Instead he's empty handed and this beautiful piece of history has been destroyed.Here is a photobucket album before I stripped the mech and parted out the top frame assy.The speaker grill and cabinet I had already stripped of all trim.My friend got the remains for free as a result of the bashing in episode. _http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff139/JukinJC/Wurlitzer%201800%20tragedy/_ (http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff139/JukinJC/Wurlitzer%201800%20tragedy/) Apparently according to what Lloyd at Coinopwarehouse sells 1700 and 1800 jukes for $900 is pretty low but still I can't get over what happened as a result of refusal of the offer. J.C. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 15:19:47 2008 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Sun Sep 14 15:26:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1600/1650 Selection Mechanism Message-ID: Bill, Jimmy, and Jackie, Thanks for the input. It appears it is the adjustment on the override switch. I am still getting comfortable with this mechanism. I was tempted to take it to a professional but, everything I read says that I may be doing a lot of adjustments on this mechanism. So I better just jump in head first. I did try moving in the switch but, I need to move it some more. Because it still plays and plays. I did see the wobble plate move. So don't think it is that. Thanks, for the help I may be back for more advice. Carl From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 15:58:44 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Sun Sep 14 15:59:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is it better to let a juke go cheap than have it befall this tragedy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The first link didn't work for me, but the second did. That was a damn shame this juke went to waste. I hope the parts help somebody out... On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 5:15 PM, wrote: > > This week I gained possession of the remains of a Wurlitzer 1800. It is a > parts only box. I will be listing many of the good parts on ebay. I'm > keeping > some mechanical parts such as motors since they work on other Wurlizers > with > the carousel mech and I have 2 that may need a motor someday.If you need a > Wurlitzer 1800 part let me know before I list everything. All chrome will > need > replating ,however I found 1 piece that may be useable as is.The coin gear > is > good shape with a couple small rust spots on the rejector itself. The 2 > woofers may be useable as the cones have been wet but no tears,the > midrange is > pretty well shot,the tweeter is in good shape.The keyboard is not too > bad.All the > keys move freely and some are still useable if you can repaint the red > number inserts.the pinbank/junction box looks useable,not all rusted up. > > Anyway here is the story.This juke belonged to a church and was in an > abandoned school building.Apporoximately 1 year ago this juke was nice and > dry and > played. An offer was made for $900(not by me).It was turned down and the > juke remained in the buildiing. After that the roof caved in and it began > to > rain on the 1800 every time it rained. When they went to move it the > cabinet > fell apart. Then a friend of mine found out about it. He offered $100 for > the > parts which was accepted. Before he could get over there someone bashed in > the > side glasses and sledgehammered the mech to get the records out. What a > dummy. > Most could be got out without all that. It was mid cycle but the arms > could > have been pulled down in order to turn the carousel. What a shame.The guy > should have taken the $900. At least he or his church would have that and > the > juke would have been saved. Instead he's empty handed and this beautiful > piece > of history has been destroyed.Here is a photobucket album before I > stripped > the mech and parted out the top frame assy.The speaker grill and cabinet I > had > already stripped of all trim.My friend got the remains for free as a > result > of the bashing in episode. > > _ > http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff139/JukinJC/Wurlitzer%201800%20tragedy/_ > > ( > http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff139/JukinJC/Wurlitzer%201800%20tragedy/ > ) > > Apparently according to what Lloyd at Coinopwarehouse sells 1700 and 1800 > jukes for $900 is pretty low but still I can't get over what happened as a > result of refusal of the offer. > > J.C. > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 16:53:49 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Sep 14 16:54:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is it better to let a juke go cheap than have it befall this tragedy? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <298852.8436.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 9/14/08, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > _http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff139/JukinJC/Wurlitzer%201800%20tragedy/_ > (http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff139/JukinJC/Wurlitzer%201800%20tragedy/) > FYI, you need to remove the underscores or parentheses to get these links to work. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Sep 14 17:58:29 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Sep 14 18:00:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is it better to let a juke go cheap than have it be fall this tragedy? Message-ID: <20080914.205829.19152.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Hello Gentlemen: Sorry to hear about the vandalism that occurred to the W1800 that you wrote about. Your suggestion about stripping and salvaging the worthwhile parts (i.e. mech motors, pin bank, amp chassis, etc) and selling them on E Bay sounds like a logical one. The values you quoted in your letter seem reasonable, if this were a normal economy. Values for many jukes/parts have fallen lately due to the soft economy. Take a look on E Bay at various jukebox parts listings before you go to the trouble of posting your items for sale. Typically, you'll find some rare parts,at low starting bids, with no takers. You may be in for an unpleasant surprise. You'll likely find quite a few items (that would normally sell easily) where the bids start at a low price (usually $9.95). Auctions end with 0 bidders. Last July, I parted out a "junked" W 1600A where the cabinet bottom had dry rotted, beyond salvation. Mech & electronic parts that were in good condition, starting @ $9.95 ea, got 0 bids. A set of original pilasters in good shape and the speaker grill metal (these items are hard to find and are not being replicated by anyone) had no takers. The W1600 amplifier (model 518,not rebuilt but tested as working) was offered with a full set of tubes,starting @ $9.95--no takers. I had a similar experience in July with some W 2600 parts. If you can, you may want to hold off selling your W1800 parts until the economy improves a little. As a last suggestion, original speakers where the cones got wet are usually going need to be reconed. The cones warp when they get wet,which makes the voice coil rub against the magnet. A recone job for a 12" speaker will usually cost $30 to $40. New, current- generation 12" raw-frame speakers that are a sonically-correct match for a W jukebox cabinet will usually cost about $50 max. If you decide to post your W1800 parts on E Bay, I hope you get a better response than I did. I guess it's all in the timing.... Jim Alexander email: jalexandercc@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Find precision scales that can weigh anything. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tKsNTJW5Kw3Ebi23Pyk9qzC90QDmfEoBQqPZuVia9bXiFVk/ From drjukebox at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 22:27:17 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Sun Sep 14 22:28:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is it better to let a juke go cheap than have it be fall this tragedy? In-Reply-To: <20080914.205829.19152.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080914.205829.19152.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690809142227kc591e4fida1d935777c8c9b5@mail.gmail.com> W1700 - 2100 parts are generally the most sought after, very few people looking for 1600A or 2600 parts. The original speakers have a squarish shape and regular 12" speakers will not fit in a 1800-2200 jukebox. Credit unit, 528 amplifier, title board, many chrome and trim parts should be easy to sell for good money. Jens On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 2:58 AM, James Alexander wrote: > > Hello Gentlemen: > Sorry to hear about the vandalism that occurred to the W1800 that you wrote > about. Your suggestion about stripping and salvaging the worthwhile parts > (i.e. mech motors, pin bank, amp chassis, etc) and selling them on E Bay > sounds like a logical one. > The values you quoted in your letter seem reasonable, if this were a normal > economy. Values for many jukes/parts have fallen lately due to the soft > economy. Take a look on E Bay at various jukebox parts listings before you > go to the trouble of posting your items for From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Sep 15 05:04:11 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Sep 15 05:11:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is it better to let a juke go cheap than have it be fall t... Message-ID: The amp is spoken for by a list member rust and all. Thanks. In a message dated 9/15/2008 1:28:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drjukebox@gmail.com writes: >W1700 - 2100 parts are generally the most sought after, very few people >looking for 1600A or 2600 parts. >The original speakers have a squarish shape and regular 12" speakers will >not fit in a 1800-2200 jukebox. >Credit unit, 528 amplifier, title board, many chrome and trim parts should >be easy to sell for good money. > Jens **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 15 10:42:21 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 15 10:44:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is it better to let a juke go cheap than have it be fall t... Message-ID: <20080915.134221.2325.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I stand corrected on the W1800 12" oval-frame speaker issue. To save these, you should have the original products reconed. All current era 12" speakers are built with round frames,but the measurement/pattern of the 4 bolt-holes should be compatible to the oval frames. To the person who first posed the parts-resale question, in my opinion it would not be worth your cost to have the speakers reconed before selling them. Currently, you won't be able to recover the cost of the work. In my tech work, I've seen W1800-1900 model machines that have had modern replacement speakers installed, they performed well and they appeared to fit the baffle-board. I can't say that I paid much attention to it. I'm aware that there's less collector interest in the W1600A and even less in the 60's 2600 items than there is for the 1700-2200 models. It surprised me that there was 00 customer interest on E Bay for motors, amp chassis, hard-to-find cabinet parts,etc. that I offered at fire-sale prices. P.S. The 1600A pilasters I have are made of plastic, not glass. The artwork (piano keyboards,music notes,etc) and colors on them match what is shown in an old color Wurl. ad photo I have of the "new" 1954 1600A. These are not originals? Jim Alexander email: jalexandercc@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Get educated. Click here for Adult Education programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uIzrSqEx0b4iK2UN41GY1pHtHHNI2yNg58qI7oNyTEbkl2W/ From drjukebox at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 12:39:09 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Mon Sep 15 12:40:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is it better to let a juke go cheap than have it be fall t... In-Reply-To: <20080915.134221.2325.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080915.134221.2325.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690809151239t4bc5d138p49ffb93c190f69fc@mail.gmail.com> Wurlitzer 1600/1650 was a 1953 model with glass pilasters. For 1954 they had redesigned it as the 1600A/1650A which is quite different. It is slightly smaller (the dome glass is not as wide), different colours, plastic pilasters. There are a lot of trim pieces that are unique to the 1800. the junction box (square bottom piece of the mech) is also good to have - those coils are often burnt. Jens On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 7:42 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > Gentlemen: > > I stand corrected on the W1800 12" oval-frame speaker issue. To save these, > you should have the original products reconed. All current era 12" speakers > are built with round frames,but the measurement/pattern of the 4 bolt-holes > should be compatible to the oval frames. To the person who first posed > the parts-resale question, in my opinion it would not be worth your cost to > have the speakers reconed before selling them. Currently, you won't be able > to recover the cost of the work. > > > In my tech work, I've seen W1800-1900 model > machines that have had modern replacement speakers installed, they performed > well and they appeared to fit the baffle-board. I can't say that I paid > much attention to it. > I'm aware that there's less collector interest in the W1600A and even less > in the 60's 2600 items than there is for the 1700-2200 models. It > surprised me that there was 00 customer interest on E Bay for motors, amp > chassis, hard-to-find cabinet parts,etc. that I offered at fire-sale prices. > P.S. The 1600A pilasters I have are made of plastic, not glass. The > artwork (piano keyboards,music notes,etc) and colors on them match what is > shown in an old color Wurl. ad photo I have of the "new" 1954 1600A. These > are not originals? > Jim Alexander > email: jalexandercc@netzero.net > ____________________________________________________________ > Get educated. Click here for Adult Education programs. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uIzrSqEx0b4iK2UN41GY1pHtHHNI2yNg58qI7oNyTEbkl2W/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Mon Sep 15 12:43:43 2008 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Mon Sep 15 12:55:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is it better to let a juke go cheap than have it befall t... References: <20080915.134221.2325.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <3492DD9061634CBFBFEFE46CD9EF4576@JUKEBUS> ... The W1800 has round speakers - but they do have a very shallow frame. I think what Jens was saying is that modern 12" speakers would be too deep to fit. There is not much clearance between the back of the original RH speaker and the coin mech. I get the originals re-coned when I do a restoration. It may cost the same as a new speaker (or even a bit more) but it keeps the machine as original as possible. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Cc: ; Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Is it better to let a juke go cheap than have it befall t... Gentlemen: I stand corrected on the W1800 12" oval-frame speaker issue. To save these, you should have the original products reconed. All current era 12" speakers are built with round frames,but the measurement/pattern of the 4 bolt-holes should be compatible to the oval frames. To the person who first posed the parts-resale question, in my opinion it would not be worth your cost to have the speakers reconed before selling them. Currently, you won't be able to recover the cost of the work. In my tech work, I've seen W1800-1900 model machines that have had modern replacement speakers installed, they performed well and they appeared to fit the baffle-board. I can't say that I paid much attention to it. I'm aware that there's less collector interest in the W1600A and even less in the 60's 2600 items than there is for the 1700-2200 models. It surprised me that there was 00 customer interest on E Bay for motors, amp chassis, hard-to-find cabinet parts,etc. that I offered at fire-sale prices. P.S. The 1600A pilasters I have are made of plastic, not glass. The artwork (piano keyboards,music notes,etc) and colors on them match what is shown in an old color Wurl. ad photo I have of the "new" 1954 1600A. These are not originals? Jim Alexander email: jalexandercc@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Get educated. Click here for Adult Education programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uIzrSqEx0b4iK2UN41GY1pHtHHNI2yNg58qI7oNyTEbkl2W/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1672 - Release Date: 15/09/2008 09:21 From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 13:50:04 2008 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Mon Sep 15 13:51:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of a very beat up non working Wurlitzer 2150?? Message-ID: Thoughts from the group on the value of a Wurlitzer 2150. It very beat up and needs a lot of TLC. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 15 13:59:36 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 15 14:01:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is it better to let a juke go cheap than have it be fall t... Message-ID: <20080915.165936.11572.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hello Jens: Thanks for your advice. The "parts donor" machine I have is a 1954 Wurlitzer 1600A model. (the curved back door panel with the nameplate is missing-this is why I'm guessing) It uses the smaller size dome frame,has a 48 select titleboard with aqua-color pushbuttons (all else for this machine has the red and gray color combination) and a speaker grill with 3 V-shaped straight bars in front of it. The red,black and blue color pilasters are made of plastic. The cabinet sides are of a single wood thickness--it is not "stepped" like the 1650 cabinet is. The mechanism uses 10" record trays (for 78 or 45 RPM) and has the 518 "hi-fi" amplifier, operating into 1- 12" electro dynamic speaker. This unit came from an old operator's warehouse in northern Fla. Possibly some substitute parts were cobbled together to make a complete machine? I was under the impression that the 1600A had the mech with 7" record trays. Thanks for helping me to properly I.D. this machine. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get educated. Click here for Adult Education programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uIzrgnETJHViVJhMwrckgV6TOWAXkNjJwpyfiER9U0iDnQK/ From drjukebox at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 14:03:18 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Mon Sep 15 14:04:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of a very beat up non working Wurlitzer 2150?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3154d3690809151403u55e93f4l4602d13e72e0bfa9@mail.gmail.com> Complete? Rusty? Where are you? Jens On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Carl & Lynne Sullivan < carl.lynne.sullivan@gmail.com> wrote: > Thoughts from the group on the value of a Wurlitzer 2150. It very beat up > and needs a lot of TLC. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From drjukebox at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 14:22:02 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Mon Sep 15 14:23:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is it better to let a juke go cheap than have it be fall t... In-Reply-To: <20080915.165936.11572.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080915.165936.11572.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690809151422o523cc4e2k396054055a4e7c3e@mail.gmail.com> 1600/1600A were 78 rpm models. 1650/1650A mechanism look the same, but the trays are cut out to only fit 7" records, so 45 rpm only. 1953 models had turquoise pushbuttons, 1954 they were.red. I think someone has switched titleboards on your machine. Jens On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:59 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > Hello Jens: > Thanks for your advice. The "parts donor" machine I have is a 1954 > Wurlitzer 1600A model. (the curved back door panel with the nameplate is > missing-this is why I'm guessing) > It uses the smaller size dome frame,has a 48 select titleboard with > aqua-color pushbuttons (all else for this machine has the red and gray color > combination) and a speaker grill with 3 V-shaped straight bars in front of > it. The red,black and blue color pilasters are made of plastic. The > cabinet sides are of a single wood thickness--it is not "stepped" like the > 1650 cabinet is. > The mechanism uses 10" record trays (for 78 or 45 RPM) and has the 518 > "hi-fi" amplifier, operating into 1- 12" electro dynamic speaker. This unit > came from an old operator's warehouse in northern Fla. Possibly some > substitute parts were cobbled together to make a complete machine? I was > under the impression that the 1600A had the mech with 7" record trays. > Thanks for helping me to properly I.D. this machine. > Jim Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > Get educated. Click here for Adult Education programs. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uIzrgnETJHViVJhMwrckgV6TOWAXkNjJwpyfiER9U0iDnQK/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 15 15:06:14 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 15 15:09:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of a very beat up non working Wurlitzer 2150? ? Message-ID: <20080915.180614.13940.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Hello Jens: I'm in suburban Atlanta, GA. The W1600A is no longer a complete machine. The bottom of the cabinet is badly rotted. I junked the cabinet and I carefully disassembled all of the salvegable parts for an E Bay sale last July. On almost all items I had no takers, using a "start auction" price of $9.95 ea. This is what prompted me to write. I have the following pieces left to sell, if you have an interest: 1 518 amp, with all "as-found" tubes, all transformers test OK with an ohmmeter. The amp will need to be rebuilt. Most lettering on the chassis has disintegrated. 1 complete pinbank mechanism with wiring harness. Good condition 1 wiring harness, with all of the mech microswitches. One of the switches looks damaged. 1 black plastic shell, fits lower "cobra" tone arm (for 10" record size) 1 12" electrodynamic speaker---tested and works, but should be reconed. 1 mech drivemotor with clutch attachment, good condition, tested 1 dual element (upper/lower) turntable drive motor, with mounting plate and 45 RPM stepped idler wheel. (Idler wheel rubber will need rebuild) tested, both work. some surface rust. 1 front panel titleboard with all glass and 2 titlestrip holders. Aqua-color pushbutton panel. All buttons/switchbanks in nice shape. With complete wiring harness. Front panel has been repainted (nicely) in a speckled-white finish. 1 perforated "marbled" metal speaker grill. Original chrome finish has been repainted with silver paint at some point. In otherwise good condition. 1 dome frame with dome glass installed. Dome frame has been painted a speckled red/blue finish. glass has a few scratches but otherwise in good shape. 1 ea. left/right flat side dome glasses. Both have noticeable scratch damage. 1 dome light cover valance. Not the correct one for a W 1600A. This one is aqua-blue in color with yellow lettering that says (in caps) "Wurlitzer" Line below reads "the name that means music to millions". Valance is in nice condition. I believe the dome valance and titleboard panel are from a 1650 model machine. I can take digital pix for you if you're interested. Let me know. Jim Alexander email: jalexandercc@netzero.net. ____________________________________________________________ Give back to your community. Click here to start a new career as a Police officer. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s5kRiULjPxndAmjxn3kQz41JTG9tIB94hWTwIggi0NWoizs/ From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 15:14:07 2008 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Mon Sep 15 15:15:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of Wurlitzer 2150 Message-ID: The unit is extremely rusted. I believe the mechanism is all there but, the amp may be missing. The unit is whole but, it is covered in rust. Carl From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 15:42:10 2008 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Mon Sep 15 15:43:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of a very beat up non working Wurlitzer 2150? ? In-Reply-To: <20080915.180614.13940.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080915.180614.13940.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: The 2150 is mostly complete but VERY rusty. I may be missing the AMP but, the mechanism, trim, and glass is all there. I there much market demand for the 2150? On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 6:06 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > Hello Jens: > I'm in suburban Atlanta, GA. The W1600A is no longer a complete machine. > The bottom of the cabinet is badly rotted. I junked the cabinet and I > carefully disassembled all of the salvegable parts for an E Bay sale last > July. On almost all items I had no takers, using a "start auction" price of > $9.95 ea. This is what prompted me to write. > I have the following pieces left to sell, if you have an interest: > 1 518 amp, with all "as-found" tubes, all transformers test OK with an > ohmmeter. The amp will need to be rebuilt. Most lettering on the chassis > has disintegrated. > 1 complete pinbank mechanism with wiring harness. Good condition > 1 wiring harness, with all of the mech microswitches. One of the switches > looks damaged. > 1 black plastic shell, fits lower "cobra" tone arm (for 10" record size) > 1 12" electrodynamic speaker---tested and works, but should be reconed. > 1 mech drivemotor with clutch attachment, good condition, tested > 1 dual element (upper/lower) turntable drive motor, with mounting plate > and 45 RPM stepped idler wheel. (Idler wheel rubber will need rebuild) > tested, both work. some surface rust. > 1 front panel titleboard with all glass and 2 titlestrip holders. > Aqua-color pushbutton panel. All buttons/switchbanks in nice shape. With > complete wiring harness. Front panel has been repainted (nicely) in a > speckled-white finish. > 1 perforated "marbled" metal speaker grill. Original chrome finish has > been repainted with silver paint at some point. In otherwise good > condition. > 1 dome frame with dome glass installed. Dome frame has been painted a > speckled red/blue finish. glass has a few scratches but otherwise in good > shape. > 1 ea. left/right flat side dome glasses. Both have noticeable scratch > damage. > 1 dome light cover valance. Not the correct one for a W 1600A. This > one is aqua-blue in color with yellow lettering that says (in caps) > "Wurlitzer" Line below reads "the name that means music to millions". > Valance is in nice condition. I believe the dome valance and titleboard > panel are from a 1650 model machine. > I can take digital pix for you if you're interested. Let me know. > Jim Alexander > email: > jalexandercc@netzero.net. > ____________________________________________________________ > Give back to your community. Click here to start a new career as a Police > officer. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s5kRiULjPxndAmjxn3kQz41JTG9tIB94hWTwIggi0NWoizs/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From drjukebox at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 15:44:09 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Mon Sep 15 15:45:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of a very beat up non working Wurlitzer 2150? ? In-Reply-To: <20080915.180614.13940.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080915.180614.13940.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690809151544m64138b1al2937f216932b62ad@mail.gmail.com> Nonono! Not interested in the 1600, but the 2150 is always of interest for a special reason. :o) Jens On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 12:06 AM, James Alexander wrote: > > Hello Jens: > I'm in suburban Atlanta, GA. The W1600A is no longer a complete machine. > The bottom of the cabinet is badly rotted. I junked the cabinet and I > carefully disassembled all of the salvegable parts for an E Bay sale last > July. On almost all items I had no takers, using a "start auction" price of > $9.95 ea. This is what prompted me to write. > I have the following pieces left to sell, if you have an interest: > 1 518 amp, with all "as-found" tubes, all transformers test OK with an > ohmmeter. The amp will need to be rebuilt. Most lettering on the chassis > has disintegrated. > 1 complete pinbank mechanism with wiring harness. Good condition > 1 wiring harness, with all of the mech microswitches. One of the switches > looks damaged. > 1 black plastic shell, fits lower "cobra" tone arm (for 10" record size) > 1 12" electrodynamic speaker---tested and works, but should be reconed. > 1 mech drivemotor with clutch attachment, good condition, tested > 1 dual element (upper/lower) turntable drive motor, with mounting plate > and 45 RPM stepped idler wheel. (Idler wheel rubber will need rebuild) > tested, both work. some surface rust. > 1 front panel titleboard with all glass and 2 titlestrip holders. > Aqua-color pushbutton panel. All buttons/switchbanks in nice shape. With > complete wiring harness. Front panel has been repainted (nicely) in a > speckled-white finish. > 1 perforated "marbled" metal speaker grill. Original chrome finish has > been repainted with silver paint at some point. In otherwise good > condition. > 1 dome frame with dome glass installed. Dome frame has been painted a > speckled red/blue finish. glass has a few scratches but otherwise in good > shape. > 1 ea. left/right flat side dome glasses. Both have noticeable scratch > damage. > 1 dome light cover valance. Not the correct one for a W 1600A. This > one is aqua-blue in color with yellow lettering that says (in caps) > "Wurlitzer" Line below reads "the name that means music to millions". > Valance is in nice condition. I believe the dome valance and titleboard > panel are from a 1650 model machine. > I can take digital pix for you if you're interested. Let me know. > Jim Alexander > email: > jalexandercc@netzero.net. > ____________________________________________________________ > Give back to your community. Click here to start a new career as a Police > officer. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s5kRiULjPxndAmjxn3kQz41JTG9tIB94hWTwIggi0NWoizs/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From drjukebox at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 15:45:44 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Mon Sep 15 15:45:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of a very beat up non working Wurlitzer 2150? ? In-Reply-To: References: <20080915.180614.13940.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690809151545v5ac5e9b3g23414a7675e5d5a7@mail.gmail.com> 2150 is not very hot, BUT the innards are the same as found in a 2100. Which IS a hot model. I have an empty 2100 cabinet... Jens On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Carl & Lynne Sullivan < carl.lynne.sullivan@gmail.com> wrote: > The 2150 is mostly complete but VERY rusty. I may be missing the AMP but, > the mechanism, trim, and glass is all there. > > I there much market demand for the 2150? > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 6:06 PM, James Alexander > wrote: > > > > > Hello Jens: > > I'm in suburban Atlanta, GA. The W1600A is no longer a complete machine. > > The bottom of the cabinet is badly rotted. I junked the cabinet and I > > carefully disassembled all of the salvegable parts for an E Bay sale last > > July. On almost all items I had no takers, using a "start auction" price > of > > $9.95 ea. This is what prompted me to write. > > I have the following pieces left to sell, if you have an interest: > > 1 518 amp, with all "as-found" tubes, all transformers test OK with an > > ohmmeter. The amp will need to be rebuilt. Most lettering on the > chassis > > has disintegrated. > > 1 complete pinbank mechanism with wiring harness. Good condition > > 1 wiring harness, with all of the mech microswitches. One of the > switches > > looks damaged. > > 1 black plastic shell, fits lower "cobra" tone arm (for 10" record > size) > > 1 12" electrodynamic speaker---tested and works, but should be reconed. > > 1 mech drivemotor with clutch attachment, good condition, tested > > 1 dual element (upper/lower) turntable drive motor, with mounting > plate > > and 45 RPM stepped idler wheel. (Idler wheel rubber will need rebuild) > > tested, both work. some surface rust. > > 1 front panel titleboard with all glass and 2 titlestrip holders. > > Aqua-color pushbutton panel. All buttons/switchbanks in nice shape. > With > > complete wiring harness. Front panel has been repainted (nicely) in a > > speckled-white finish. > > 1 perforated "marbled" metal speaker grill. Original chrome finish > has > > been repainted with silver paint at some point. In otherwise good > > condition. > > 1 dome frame with dome glass installed. Dome frame has been painted > a > > speckled red/blue finish. glass has a few scratches but otherwise in > good > > shape. > > 1 ea. left/right flat side dome glasses. Both have noticeable scratch > > damage. > > 1 dome light cover valance. Not the correct one for a W 1600A. This > > one is aqua-blue in color with yellow lettering that says (in caps) > > "Wurlitzer" Line below reads "the name that means music to millions". > > Valance is in nice condition. I believe the dome valance and titleboard > > panel are from a 1650 model machine. > > I can take digital pix for you if you're interested. Let me know. > > Jim Alexander > > email: > > jalexandercc@netzero.net. > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Give back to your community. Click here to start a new career as a > Police > > officer. > > > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s5kRiULjPxndAmjxn3kQz41JTG9tIB94hWTwIggi0NWoizs/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 15 15:59:24 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 15 16:02:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of Wurlitzer 2150 Message-ID: <20080915.185924.11037.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Hello All: The 2007 edition of the Always Jukin' price guide quotes the following values for a W2150 jukebox: Grade 1 (100% restored) $4500 Grade 2 (refurbished) $3200 Grade 3 (as is, in reasonable original condition,may or may not be working) $1100 Grade 4 (as is, in poor condition,complete) $ 600 Grade 5 (as is,in poor condition,has major parts missing) $ 300 These prices probably do not take into account, the current "soft" economy. Based upon my recent experiences, these values have probably dropped at least 50%. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Free information - Scholarships for college, university or tech school. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s4pqIOl8fTkFfNBjwmMduudDxzP07nJRyN68HvMGaK1mO9w/ From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Sep 15 16:13:59 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Sep 15 16:21:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Value of a very beat up non working Wurlitzer 2150? ? Message-ID: I have a nearly complete 2150 mechanism from a parted out 2150.It is missing the motors and a few small springs.The tonearm is off but I have it. Not much rust. guess a problem with shipping a Wurlitzer mech though is it weighs a ton.It had no amp or junction box though.The pinbank is in pretty nice shape.I guess I could break it down like the 1800 mech. I've got the 1800 mech pretty much apart now and the pieces are much easier to handle.It dos have the changer motor but not the turntable or selector motor.I was keeping it around for spares since I have a complete 2150 but it sure does take up space. Yeah the guy I got that 2150 from said it was a 1955 on the phone and I was really excited until I saw it...lol. Needless to say I got it cheap when I saw the missing parts.I found a complete one later and it kinda grew on me so I kept that one. J.C. In a message dated 9/15/2008 6:45:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drjukebox@gmail.com writes: >150 is not very hot, BUT the innards are the same as found in a 2100. >hich IS a hot model. > have an empty 2100 cabinet... Jens **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 19:37:25 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Sep 15 19:38:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is it better to let a juke go cheap than have it be fall t... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <507622.11216.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There are stiuations where "benign liberation" is the best tactic from a strictly historical-preservation point of view. I'll leave it at that, except to quote the old adage that "It's frequently more successful to beg forgiveness than to ask permission." How this works out in practice is left as an execrise for the student... From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Sep 16 12:56:36 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Sep 16 13:59:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1650 Dome Message-ID: Hi to all, I am soooo excited, I was able to get the 1650 Dome off ebay for an unbelievable price....guess it was just meant to be. I am not hoping it will arrive in one piece. Many thanks to Carl and JC for giving me the head's up on the Auction, I would have surely missed it as I have not been on the internet much lately. Oliver, many thanks to you also for offering a new Dome for such a reasonable price that included shipping. If for some reason this falls through (geezzzz I hope not) I will be in touch. I am kickin up my heels on this one, as now the 1650 will be complete!! This forum has been so kind in so many ways, Dancin' Out Jackie From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 15:10:54 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 16 15:12:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1650 Dome In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <211220.49929.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jackie, "---NOT happy---" ?? You sound just the opposite! Glad you "gotit" ! I hope it arrives amd installs "just like a glove (Not, however, O J's!)". Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/16/08, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1650 Dome To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 12:56 PM Hi to all, I am soooo excited, I was able to get the 1650 Dome off ebay for an unbelievable price....guess it was just meant to be. I am not hoping it will arrive in one piece. Many thanks to Carl and JC for giving me the head's up on the Auction, I would have surely missed it as I have not been on the internet much lately. Oliver, many thanks to you also for offering a new Dome for such a reasonable price that included shipping. If for some reason this falls through (geezzzz I hope not) I will be in touch. I am kickin up my heels on this one, as now the 1650 will be complete!! This forum has been so kind in so many ways, Dancin' Out Jackie _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Sep 16 15:50:14 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Sep 16 15:51:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1650 Dome References: <211220.49929.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, sorry...I meant to type "now" instead of "not", yea...I am sure it will fit perfectly, LOL, the nice thing is I have a frame if this one is out of wack, unless the glass has shrunk over time?? guess that's not possible with glass. I'll let you know when I get it, Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1650 Dome Jackie, "---NOT happy---" ? You sound just the opposite! Glad you "gotit" ! I hope it arrives amd installs "just like a glove (Not, however, O J's!)". Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/16/08, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1650 Dome To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 12:56 PM Hi to all, I am soooo excited, I was able to get the 1650 Dome off ebay for an unbelievable price....guess it was just meant to be. I am not hoping it will arrive in one piece. Many thanks to Carl and JC for giving me the head's up on the Auction, I would have surely missed it as I have not been on the internet much lately. Oliver, many thanks to you also for offering a new Dome for such a reasonable price that included shipping. If for some reason this falls through (geezzzz I hope not) I will be in touch. I am kickin up my heels on this one, as now the 1650 will be complete!! This forum has been so kind in so many ways, Dancin' Out Jackie _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Tue Sep 16 16:46:54 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Sep 16 16:54:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1650 Dome Message-ID: We have both been lucky lately Jackie.I got an excellent left pilaster for my 1400. Remember the one that had screws through it and pieces fell out of it when I got in the house.Hopefully mine will arrive in 1 piece too.The guy emailed me yesterday that he received my money order and it was on the way.And people are emailing me from this list to save the 1800 parts.Its sad what happened to it but I guess it was in fates hands for someone who cares enough about jukeboxes to save the parts to get it before it went to the unthinkable place -The landfill. Well I got to get to work now. Gotta weigh this 1800 amp to give a shipping quote.It sure is heavy...lol. It's a new experience to be on the other end selling parts of a jukebox instead of buying them trying to put one back together or make it nicer.One would have either have to be an expert woodworker to build another cabinet or had a cabinet to be crazy enough to try to put that mess back together.And it would probably be cheaper to find a nice restorable one maybe one in the condition my 1400 was in or even slightly worse in order to get it down in my price range than to put that disaster back together. With my luck I'll probably find that ratty but restorable 1800 in a year or 2 at a price even I can afford but it will be missing one of the parts I sold...lol. J.C. In a message dated 9/16/2008 5:00:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: Hi to all, I am soooo excited, I was able to get the 1650 Dome off ebay for an unbelievable price....guess it was just meant to be. I am not hoping it will arrive in one piece. Many thanks to Carl and JC for giving me the head's up on the Auction, I would have surely missed it as I have not been on the internet much lately. Oliver, many thanks to you also for offering a new Dome for such a reasonable price that included shipping. If for some reason this falls through (geezzzz I hope not) I will be in touch. I am kickin up my heels on this one, as now the 1650 will be complete!! This forum has been so kind in so many ways, Dancin' Out Jackie **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From kklashley at yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 20:24:17 2008 From: kklashley at yahoo.com (Kevin Lashley) Date: Fri Sep 19 20:31:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2204 will not continue to play record. Message-ID: <978283.19291.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, ? 1st post. I recently purchased my first juke. a 1958 model 2204 wurlitzer. The selector works great but, ?when the arm lifts the record it will attempt to play for 1 to 2 seconds then the arm returns the record back into place. ?There is?also a pop that comes out of the speakers. I know my motor mounts need to be replaced and I only have one belt that also is going to be replaced.? ?I have ordered a service manual but was hoping for some help. ?Thanks in advance Kevin? From Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu Fri Sep 19 22:54:31 2008 From: Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu (Tyler, Ronald) Date: Fri Sep 19 22:56:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2204 will not continue to play record. References: <978283.19291.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Likely one of the two reject switches is closed. One is on the amplifier and the other behind the tone arm. Check those first. Ron Tyler ________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of Kevin Lashley Sent: Fri 9/19/2008 8:24 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2204 will not continue to play record. Hello, 1st post. I recently purchased my first juke. a 1958 model 2204 wurlitzer. The selector works great but, when the arm lifts the record it will attempt to play for 1 to 2 seconds then the arm returns the record back into place. There is also a pop that comes out of the speakers. I know my motor mounts need to be replaced and I only have one belt that also is going to be replaced. I have ordered a service manual but was hoping for some help. Thanks in advance Kevin _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Sep 20 00:57:14 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Sep 20 00:59:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2204 will not continue to play record. Message-ID: <20080920.035714.4357.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Hello Kevin: The problem you are describing with your 2204 probably has a simple solution. There is an electrically operated "record reject" or cancel function on the machine that is staying in a tripped mode. The machine is being "told" to reject a record as soon as it is brought up to play. There are 3 places that this problem can typically happen. Check these out first: 1. There is a push button switch on the rear chassis of the amplifier that faces the rear panel of the machine. Make sure the switch is not mashed-in ,broken or short-circuited. 2. On the mechanism ,on the panel behind tone arm, there is a reject switch that is supposed to be tripped when the arm (stylus) gets to the end of the record. This is usually a brown colored microswitch that has a trip wire touching the tone arm linkage. Sometimes this wire gets displaced or bent. Also look for any electrical short circuit at the switch contacts. The voltage here is low--24 volts DC. 3. Did you get your juke from an old commercial location? On the amplifier chassis, (the side where the vacuum tubes are) there is a remote control socket for the wired wall-mount remote control that got plugged in and was usually located behind a bar or a cashiers' stand. This control box contained a remote volume control and a record reject switch. Perhaps you have a "cut" (shorted) remote control cable that is plugged into this socket. Does your juke have "extra" wire leads that are unaccounted for laying in the bottom of the machine?. If yes, unplug this cable from the remote socket on the amplifier, or at least make sure the lines aren't shorted together. This should stop the early record reject problem. If you do remove a "cut" remote control cable with your machine, you may need to come up with a jumper plug that fits into the remote control socket. The jumper plug's function connects the rear panel volume control for operation. With the jumper plug not installed, the mech. should now play records normally, but you will have no sound. The service manual you ordered will give you the wiring detail for that jumper part if you need to make one. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander email: jalexandercc@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on online masters degrees and make up to $150K/ year http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uI7wYOBK2soWh9c2WnRZMzmDjv1uTTBL4zreatLzW8ydmBA/ From kklashley at yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 06:20:14 2008 From: kklashley at yahoo.com (Kevin Lashley) Date: Sat Sep 20 06:21:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2204 will not continue to play record. Additional problem NO SOUND Message-ID: <226279.55154.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good Morning, Let me say I am thankful I found this list and for the quick responses. I followed Jim Alaxanders check list and found the wire on the on the brown reset microswitch was under the piece of metal telling the machine to reset. Someone has worked on and adapted the tone arm with a different needle and lots of soldering. They have it wired directly to the amp plug in. It is not a pretty site to say the least. Will be replacing entire tone arm if I can find one. I now have an additional problem NO SOUND When the record first starts to play there is a loud pop from the speakers and you can the hear the song playing very softly from the record , I guess. If I cancel the record with the switch on the rear of the amp there is another loud pop from the speakers and the record returns to the carosel. The remote plug on the amplifier does have a plug with two jumper wires on it. I acquired this from a older gentleman who advised it was his parents and they used it in their home. There is a bypass switch installed on the right side of the machine to allow song selections without the use of money. Thanks for all the help Kevin From ccos at knology.net Sat Sep 20 08:18:25 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Sat Sep 20 08:26:20 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2204 will not continue to play record.Additional problem NO SOUND References: <226279.55154.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kevin, I may have a compete extra tonearm as well as other parts you may need in the near future. One of my customers has a 2204 that was her dad's and although I have it working for her, it is cosmeticly a mess from 20 years on a back porch. I will be on my way next week to pick up a complete donor machine. I won't let any parts go until I have her machine complete and delivered but I'm sure I will have most anything you need. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Lashley" To: Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 9:20 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2204 will not continue to play record.Additional problem NO SOUND > Good Morning, > > Let me say I am thankful I found this list and for the quick > responses. I followed Jim Alaxanders check list and found the wire on the > on the brown reset microswitch was under the piece of metal telling the > machine to reset. Someone has worked on and adapted the tone arm with a > different needle and lots of soldering. They have it wired directly to the > amp plug in. It is not a pretty site to say the least. Will be replacing > entire tone arm if I can find one. > I now have an additional problem NO SOUND When the record first > starts to play there is a loud pop from the speakers and you can the hear > the song playing very softly from the record , I guess. If I cancel the > record with the switch on the rear of the amp there is another loud pop > from the speakers and the record returns to the carosel. The remote plug > on the amplifier does have a plug with two jumper wires on it. > I acquired this from a older gentleman who advised it was his parents and > they used it in their home. There is a bypass switch installed on the > right side of the machine to allow song selections without the use of > money. > > Thanks for all the help Kevin > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From eccentric.one at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 08:49:18 2008 From: eccentric.one at gmail.com (Jeremy Weiss) Date: Sat Sep 20 08:52:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 498 won't initalize Message-ID: <48d51bdd.161e640a.28e8.42e2@mx.google.com> I've got a Rock-ola 498 that has been in storage for a while. The last time I tried fixing it, I called Rockola Charlie for advice. I just recently got the juke back out of storage and started to work on it again. When I turn the juke on, the lights come on but the light on the board that says initalizing never goes off like it used to and I can't get it to do anything. Charlie had told me to clean the connectors and then replace the battery. I followed Charlie's advice but it's still not working. My first question is, if I put the battery on backwards would it cause this? The old battery was corroded I couldn't tell which end was positive and which was negative when I took it off. What other things should I check for, where do I start? Thanks, Jeremy From pinball at telus.net Sat Sep 20 09:08:35 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Sep 20 09:09:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2204 will not continue to play record. Additional problem NO SOUND In-Reply-To: <226279.55154.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <226279.55154.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48D52003.8000706@telus.net> Kevin Lashley wrote: > Good Morning, > > Let me say I am thankful I found this list and for the quick responses. I followed Jim Alaxanders check list and found the wire on the on the brown reset microswitch was under the piece of metal telling the machine to reset. Someone has worked on and adapted the tone arm with a different needle and lots of soldering. They have it wired directly to the amp plug in. It is not a pretty site to say the least. Will be replacing entire tone arm if I can find one. > I now have an additional problem NO SOUND When the record first starts to play there is a loud pop from the speakers and you can the hear the song playing very softly from the record , I guess. If I cancel the record with the switch on the rear of the amp there is another loud pop from the speakers and the record returns to the carosel. The remote plug on the amplifier does have a plug with two jumper wires on it. > I acquired this from a older gentleman who advised it was his parents and they used it in their home. There is a bypass switch installed on the right side of the machine to allow song selections without the use of money. > > Thanks for all the help Kevin > > Check if the MUTE and INPUT plugs to the amplifier are reversed. I believe they can be in this model... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Sat Sep 20 09:31:23 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Sat Sep 20 09:32:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 498 won't initalize In-Reply-To: <48d51bdd.161e640a.28e8.42e2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <919945.37597.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yep putting the battery in Backwards could cause that for sure. Also you might want to make sure ALL the corrosion is gone... also check the circuitboard traces for cracks or chunk of the trace missing due to the corrosion. ? Hope this Helps, Tony --- On Sat, 9/20/08, Jeremy Weiss wrote: From: Jeremy Weiss Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 498 won't initalize To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 11:49 AM I've got a Rock-ola 498 that has been in storage for a while. The last time I tried fixing it, I called Rockola Charlie for advice. I just recently got the juke back out of storage and started to work on it again. When I turn the juke on, the lights come on but the light on the board that says initalizing never goes off like it used to and I can't get it to do anything. Charlie had told me to clean the connectors and then replace the battery. I followed Charlie's advice but it's still not working. My first question is, if I put the battery on backwards would it cause this? The old battery was corroded I couldn't tell which end was positive and which was negative when I took it off. What other things should I check for, where do I start? Thanks, Jeremy _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From ccos at knology.net Sat Sep 20 12:43:45 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Sat Sep 20 12:44:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 7000-1X Message-ID: <26884DC174EE43118993B6A08C3A437B@home31b34d4856> Things that make you go "Oh CRAP!!!" Customer lost the key, and just as I got through the lock with my drill, I heard the locking mechanism fall. Anyone have any idea what is the best way to break into this machine without destroying anything? I'm kicking myself....... Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 From ccos at knology.net Sat Sep 20 12:58:46 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Sat Sep 20 12:59:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 7000-1X References: <26884DC174EE43118993B6A08C3A437B@home31b34d4856> Message-ID: <6AC029B2AC8C47C4993302A9FDF2CB14@home31b34d4856> I got it open.....whew!!!! Hehehe Thanks to anyone who may have been about to answer. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "CCOS" To: Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 3:43 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 7000-1X Things that make you go "Oh CRAP!!!" Customer lost the key, and just as I got through the lock with my drill, I heard the locking mechanism fall. Anyone have any idea what is the best way to break into this machine without destroying anything? I'm kicking myself....... Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Sep 20 14:35:15 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Sep 20 14:37:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2204 will not continue to play record. Ad ditional problem NO SOUND Message-ID: <20080920.173515.20798.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Hello Kevin: In response to your 2nd letter: Congratulations on your finding the wiring error in your record reject circuit. From what you are describing regarding the tone arm/phono cartridge/audio wiring, the sound problem will be a little more difficult to solve. >From your description, it's possible to draw a few conclusions: 1. The fact that you are hearing snaps, pops and noise indicate that your amplifier and speakers are operational. I'd suggest turning down the volume somewhat if you're experimenting with the tone arm wiring with the amp running. Extremely loud snaps, buzzes, etc can damage or blow out speakers or cause amp damage. 2. Your W2204 used a plug-in phono cartridge-needle called the Zenith Cobra, which works as part of an RF oscillator circuit. Most other phono cartridges (whether ceramic or magnetic element) are voltage producing devices, designed to operate into a conventional audio input circuit. Possibly, the last "tech" to work on your jukebox was trying to install a modern replacement cartridge and simply wire it into the Cobra input of your amplifier. This won't work, which is why you are hearing no audio. 3. Here you will need to make an evaluation. You can restore the Cobra input circuit back to originality OR update the tone arm and modify the amp circuit to work with one of the newer stereo cartridges. The latter is a bigger task, but it is the best-ultimate solution. The lighter tracking pickup will give you a readily available replacement needle, should sound better than the cobra, and will be compliant enough to track stereo records with less wear. The mono Cobra phono cartridge, designed back in the 40's, is rough on records,by today's standards. Replacements for the Cobra cartridge (Astatic # 97-1, usually) are in short supply, but they are still available in some circles. Check the jukebox supply vendors. Prior to undertaking a cartridge conversion,I'd suggest that you first obtain your Wurl. service manual, and to seek assistance from a tech that knows vacuum tube audio circuits if you feel uncomfortable doing this work yourself. I DO recall one of the aftermarket phono-cartridge makers offering a do-it-yourself plug-in conversion kit to upgrade a cobra tone arm to play stereo records. I have not seen these advertised lately, nor have I had any hands-on experience with them. In the Wurl. tech work that I've done, I made a conversion to a current-generation magnetic cartridge,which in my opinion, is worth the effort. The conversion process is too lengthy to accurately describe in a club email. I'll be glad to offer what assistance I can to you outside the jukebox list if you want to go there. Jim Alexander email: jalexandercc@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on earning your associates degrees. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s3rCmjAUJzwMx5CHrsRQZu540MfQ61hOpUWZ0dhd5ccO9dE/ From jeremy at dwave.net Sat Sep 20 14:40:55 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sat Sep 20 14:42:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 7000-1X In-Reply-To: <6AC029B2AC8C47C4993302A9FDF2CB14@home31b34d4856> References: <26884DC174EE43118993B6A08C3A437B@home31b34d4856> <6AC029B2AC8C47C4993302A9FDF2CB14@home31b34d4856> Message-ID: <20080920214032.M79241@dwave.net> Karl: How did you get it open? Thanks Jeremy Agema On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:58:46 -0400, CCOS wrote > I got it open.....whew!!!! Hehehe > > Thanks to anyone who may have been about to answer. > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S Lumpkin Rd > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706) 507-2963 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CCOS" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 3:43 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 7000-1X > > Things that make you go "Oh CRAP!!!" > > Customer lost the key, and just as I got through the lock with my > drill, I heard the locking mechanism fall. > > Anyone have any idea what is the best way to break into this machine > without destroying anything? > > I'm kicking myself....... > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S Lumpkin Rd > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706) 507-2963 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Sat Sep 20 14:52:44 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Sat Sep 20 14:53:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 7000-1X In-Reply-To: <20080920214032.M79241@dwave.net> References: <26884DC174EE43118993B6A08C3A437B@home31b34d4856><6AC029B2AC8C47C4993302A9FDF2CB14@home31b34d4856> <20080920214032.M79241@dwave.net> Message-ID: <97CCC2828D824CAE8936A95FC627AB33@CCOSPC> Jeremy, I tipped it backwards at about 60 degrees or so. That brought the locking actuator and rods back into view of the lock hole. I used a long thin screwdriver to pry the actuator and rods one direction which unlatched one side of the door, which I slightly wedged open to prevent locking again, then moved the actuator and rods the other direction to unlatch the other side of the door. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Agema" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 7000-1X > Karl: How did you get it open? > > Thanks > > Jeremy Agema > > > On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:58:46 -0400, CCOS wrote >> I got it open.....whew!!!! Hehehe >> >> Thanks to anyone who may have been about to answer. >> >> Karl >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >> 2061 S Lumpkin Rd >> Columbus, GA 31903 >> (706) 507-2963 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "CCOS" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 3:43 PM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 7000-1X >> >> Things that make you go "Oh CRAP!!!" >> >> Customer lost the key, and just as I got through the lock with my >> drill, I heard the locking mechanism fall. >> >> Anyone have any idea what is the best way to break into this machine >> without destroying anything? >> >> I'm kicking myself....... >> >> Karl >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >> 2061 S Lumpkin Rd >> Columbus, GA 31903 >> (706) 507-2963 >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Sep 20 15:24:15 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Sep 20 15:26:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 498 won't initalize Message-ID: <20080920.182415.20798.1@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Hello Jeremy: I'm sorry that I don't have an answer to your Rock Ola tech problem. It must have been awhile since you last worked on your jukebox. In your letter, if you are referring to "Rock Ola Charlie" Maier in Philadelphia, PA, the gentleman passed away in early 2007. Thought you may want to know. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Scan, remove and block Spyware. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tANUYcs8l6CuhRbXMynAeBky4WioUka1slQ3GL3R51ozgMe/ From rothbear at comcast.net Sat Sep 20 16:07:45 2008 From: rothbear at comcast.net (The Roths) Date: Sat Sep 20 16:16:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Juke parts and manuals on eBay Message-ID: I have several juke parts and manuals on eBay. The auctions end approximately 10pm on Sunday. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/jukeguy26_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Brian Roth From kklashley at yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 13:54:06 2008 From: kklashley at yahoo.com (Kevin Lashley) Date: Sun Sep 21 13:55:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2204 Sound Distortion Message-ID: <657186.21827.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well I'm learning as I go....? I made a key and adjusted the volume down. Then I played with the "Manufactured needle" on my Cobta tone arm. I was able to get some sound from the speakers however it is quite distorted. If I turn the volume almost all the way up it is at a comfortable listining level. But there is a lot of cracking and popping when adjusting volume up and down. I also noticed the fuse on the amp gets really hot is this normal. They all? have a little orange glowing light inside except one of the small ones. ?I'm now searching for a replacement tone arm and new needle. The one that is there now bypasses the single mono plug behind the tone arm and goes to the single mono plug on top of the amp. Was thinking about upgrading to the stero plug but sounds like its past my expertise for now. ?I'm getting there ..........? slowly ? Kevin? From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Sun Sep 21 14:02:40 2008 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Sun Sep 21 14:11:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer star speaker... Message-ID: hello to all, i picked up a wurlitzer star speaker a few days back. got to looking at pictures of the ones i've had over the years and it seems there are several types. mine is a 4000, which has the nickel plated points, but there are no light sockets. it's near pristine; no signs of ever being tampered with, so fairly certain this is how it left the factory. it has the star in the center of the grille cloth as well. i have pics of one 4000 i bought years ago that had the light sockets and no star in the center, but with screen printed grillecloth... and another 4000 i bought that had light sockets and the star. trying to figure out how many versions of this speaker were made. anyone know? did they all light? there is a beautiful one on oliver stamann's webpage that is lit. http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Wurlitzer/wurlitzer4000.htm did someone add the lights oliver? has anyone sourced good replacement light sockets? how about the correct grille cloth? thanks to any who may have some info. justin _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From gibson510 at hotmail.com Sun Sep 21 17:29:24 2008 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Sun Sep 21 17:30:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] a rotten deal Message-ID: Went on a service call this past weekend to a family that has a 222 Seeburg. During the initial phone call the son that contacted me, stated the machine had not worked in over 20 years. He mentioned that when he was a Teen, a guy came to fix the machine and "took some part" with him, but apparently never came back. So I get there and they have also lost the keys and the machine is locked. So I open the back door with my master key and guess what? NO SELECTION RECEIVER! Well I won't be getting it working for you today I told them. Then the Dad went on about how this guy was referred by a trusted friend etc. etc. So I need to find a selection receiver to get them going again. If anyone has one, or knows someone who does, can you give me their contact info. I can't beleive someone would do something like that. How awful. Rick _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ From jeremy at dwave.net Sun Sep 21 17:30:04 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sun Sep 21 17:31:20 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 7000-1X In-Reply-To: <97CCC2828D824CAE8936A95FC627AB33@CCOSPC> References: <26884DC174EE43118993B6A08C3A437B@home31b34d4856><6AC029B2AC8C47C4993302A9FDF2CB14@home31b34d4856> <20080920214032.M79241@dwave.net> <97CCC2828D824CAE8936A95FC627AB33@CCOSPC> Message-ID: <20080922002729.M67665@dwave.net> Wow! Great thinking on that one Karl. Hopefully I remember that trick when becomes my turn at a fallen lock mech. Thanks Jeremy Agema On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:52:44 -0400, CCOS wrote > Jeremy, > > I tipped it backwards at about 60 degrees or so. That brought the > locking actuator and rods back into view of the lock hole. I used a > long thin screwdriver to pry the actuator and rods one direction > which unlatched one side of the door, which I slightly wedged open > to prevent locking again, then moved the actuator and rods the other > direction to unlatch the other side of the door. > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706)507-2963 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremy Agema" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 5:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 7000-1X > > > Karl: How did you get it open? > > > > Thanks > > > > Jeremy Agema > > > > > > On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:58:46 -0400, CCOS wrote > >> I got it open.....whew!!!! Hehehe > >> > >> Thanks to anyone who may have been about to answer. > >> > >> Karl > >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop > >> 2061 S Lumpkin Rd > >> Columbus, GA 31903 > >> (706) 507-2963 > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "CCOS" > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 3:43 PM > >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 7000-1X > >> > >> Things that make you go "Oh CRAP!!!" > >> > >> Customer lost the key, and just as I got through the lock with my > >> drill, I heard the locking mechanism fall. > >> > >> Anyone have any idea what is the best way to break into this machine > >> without destroying anything? > >> > >> I'm kicking myself....... > >> > >> Karl > >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop > >> 2061 S Lumpkin Rd > >> Columbus, GA 31903 > >> (706) 507-2963 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeffzurn at cox.net Sun Sep 21 18:48:15 2008 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Sun Sep 21 19:06:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] a rotten deal References: Message-ID: <000601c91c55$47a6c740$0401a8c0@ZURNT60> Check out Vern Tisdale's 'Garage Sale' to see if what you need is available there. www.verntisdale.com Jeff Zurn Arizona Jukebox Company ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick murray" To: Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 5:29 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] a rotten deal Went on a service call this past weekend to a family that has a 222 Seeburg. During the initial phone call the son that contacted me, stated the machine had not worked in over 20 years. He mentioned that when he was a Teen, a guy came to fix the machine and "took some part" with him, but apparently never came back. So I get there and they have also lost the keys and the machine is locked. So I open the back door with my master key and guess what? NO SELECTION RECEIVER! Well I won't be getting it working for you today I told them. Then the Dad went on about how this guy was referred by a trusted friend etc. etc. So I need to find a selection receiver to get them going again. If anyone has one, or knows someone who does, can you give me their contact info. I can't beleive someone would do something like that. How awful. Rick _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 19:07:56 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Sep 21 19:09:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] a rotten deal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <775578.84186.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Rick, That happens very often. As far as I know there are two ways that happens. The "repair man" gets into it, way above his pay grade, OR, the "customer" refuses to pay after the guy's got it done.? I have a couple of amps that have been sitting on my shelf for years. Customer wanted them re-built, I did it in a timely fashion, called the customer and wanted to make an appointment to return the amp, and was told something like "well--times are tough--don't have the money at the moment--". My answer is always the same--call me when you get it---Ron Rich --- On Sun, 9/21/08, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] a rotten deal To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 5:29 PM Went on a service call this past weekend to a family that has a 222 Seeburg. During the initial phone call the son that contacted me, stated the machine had not worked in over 20 years. He mentioned that when he was a Teen, a guy came to fix the machine and "took some part" with him, but apparently never came back. So I get there and they have also lost the keys and the machine is locked. So I open the back door with my master key and guess what? NO SELECTION RECEIVER! Well I won't be getting it working for you today I told them. Then the Dad went on about how this guy was referred by a trusted friend etc. etc. So I need to find a selection receiver to get them going again. If anyone has one, or knows someone who does, can you give me their contact info. I can't beleive someone would do something like that. How awful. Rick _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Sep 21 19:05:20 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Sep 21 19:11:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] a rotten deal Message-ID: It probably happens more than you think. I once got a Wurlitzer 2150 parts machine and that's all it was a "parts machine" .Apparently the guy took the amp from the original owner to work on it and never brought it back. Not only was it missing the amp it was missing the entire control box with stepper from the bottom of the machine,the turntable motor and the selection motor. I bet the supposed repairman needed the parts for another machine probably a much higher profit 2100 or he sold the parts on ebay. Plus the back doors were missing.It had a dome glass but that got broke on the way home so that was the straw that broke the camel's back. I stripped it and junked the cabinet. I found another 2150 in better shape than the first and got it cheaper than replacing all the missing stuff probably would have cost. Have you checked with the usual guys for used parts:Bill Butterfield, Durfee or Roy Dean? J.C. In a message dated 9/21/2008 8:31:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gibson510@hotmail.com writes: >Went on a service call this past weekend to a family that has a 222 Seeburg. During the initial >phone call the son that contacted me, stated the machine had not worked in over 20 years. He >mentioned that when he was a Teen, a guy came to fix the machine and "took some part" with >him, but apparently never came back. So I get there and they have also lost the keys and the >machine is locked. So I open the back door with my master key and guess what? NO >SELECTION RECEIVER! Well I won't be getting it working for you today I told them. Then the >Dad went on about how this guy was referred by a trusted friend etc. etc. So I need to find a >selection receiver to get them going again. If anyone has one, or knows someone who does, can >you give me their contact info. I can't beleive someone would do something like that. How awful. >Rick **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? 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So I get there and they have also lost the keys and the machine is locked. So I open the back door with my master key and guess what? NO SELECTION RECEIVER! Well I won't be getting it working for you today I told them. Then the Dad went on about how this guy was referred by a trusted friend etc. etc. So I need to find a selection receiver to get them going again. If anyone has one, or knows someone who does, can you give me their contact info. I can't beleive someone would do something like that. How awful. Rick _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sun Sep 21 19:52:01 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sun Sep 21 19:59:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] a rotten deal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAEA7552AA9A62-778-35A5@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> I knew a guy whose son committed suicide. The son left behind a rather extensive collection of vintage comic books. As if the poor guy? hadn't already gone through enough, he calls a local dealer over to appraise the collection. Well, the guy left the dealer alone in the basement so the dealer could go about his business... and the dealer did, tucking away a dozen of the most valuable pieces with him in his briefcase, and took my friend's money of the appraisal job on his way out the door. -----Original Message----- From: rick murray To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 7:29 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] a rotten deal Went on a service call this past weekend to a family that has a 222 Seeburg. During the initial phone call the son that contacted me, stated the machine had not worked in over 20 years. He mentioned that when he was a Teen, a guy came to fix the machine and "took some part" with him, but apparently never came back. So I get there and they have also lost the keys and the machine is locked. So I open the back door with my master key and guess what? NO SELECTION RECEIVER! Well I won't be getting it working for you today I told them. Then the Dad went on about how this guy was referred by a trusted friend etc. etc. So I need to find a selection receiver to get them going again. If anyone has one, or knows someone who does, can you give me their contact info. I can't beleive someone would do something like that. How awful. Rick _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Sep 21 20:16:14 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Sep 21 20:23:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] a rotten deal Message-ID: Check out ebay item: 170264782049. It's a TSU1 selection receiver for a 222. J.C. In a message dated 9/21/2008 8:31:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gibson510@hotmail.com writes: >Went on a service call this past weekend to a family that has a 222 Seeburg. During the initial >phone call the son that contacted me, stated the machine had not worked in over 20 years. He >mentioned that when he was a Teen, a guy came to fix the machine and "took some part" with >him, but apparently never came back. So I get there and they have also lost the keys and the >machine is locked. So I open the back door with my master key and guess what? NO >SELECTION RECEIVER! Well I won't be getting it working for you today I told them. Then the >Dad went on about how this guy was referred by a trusted friend etc. etc. So I need to find a >selection receiver to get them going again. If anyone has one, or knows someone who does, can >you give me their contact info. I can't beleive someone would do something like that. How awful. >Rick **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From etreble7 at verizon.net Mon Sep 22 07:20:41 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Mon Sep 22 07:23:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller Message-ID: Good Morning, after reading all the posts regarding the missing selector and other jukebox part I had a really nice experience over the weekend regarding the dome I had won on ebay for my 1650. The part is coming out of MI, Games People Play, and I received a phone call from the owner, John telling me the dome might not fit my 1650, he would return my check, as there is a slight difference in size between the 1600 & 1650 so I measured (wrong I might add and Mel had to correct me, thank goodness for Mel) and he called back and with my NEW measurements, the dome is correct and on it's way!! Nice there are still so many good dealers and repair techs out there, I will let you kow when it arrives in one piece! Jackie Dancin' Out From drjukebox at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 07:31:06 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Mon Sep 22 07:32:20 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3154d3690809220731r39a2ca0bnbb0e13da8d97a4fc@mail.gmail.com> Dear Jackie, just to clarify the difference is between the 1953 1600/1650 models and the 1954 1600A/1650A models. The latter are smaller. The 1650 is real nice looking with that purple cascade on the grill. That's where Wurlitzer excelled in the 50's I think, with gorgeous coloured light flowing from the pilasters over the embossed aluminum grilles. Starting with the 1100. limping out, Jens On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:20 PM, etreble7 wrote: > Good Morning, > after reading all the posts regarding the missing selector and other > jukebox part I had a really nice experience over the weekend regarding the > dome I had won on ebay for my 1650. > > The part is coming out of MI, Games People Play, and I received a phone > call from the owner, John telling me the dome might not fit my 1650, he > would return my check, as there is a slight difference in size between the > 1600 & 1650 so I measured (wrong I might add and Mel had to correct me, > thank goodness for Mel) and he called back and with my NEW measurements, the > dome is correct and on it's way!! > > Nice there are still so many good dealers and repair techs out there, I > will let you kow when it arrives in one piece! > Jackie > Dancin' Out > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From etreble7 at verizon.net Mon Sep 22 07:48:11 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Mon Sep 22 07:50:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller References: <3154d3690809220731r39a2ca0bnbb0e13da8d97a4fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4320EC6929394AF38CFC7BC47245D03E@home1903> Jens why are you limping??? Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Hultgren" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller > Dear Jackie, > just to clarify the difference is between the 1953 1600/1650 models and > the > 1954 1600A/1650A models. The latter are smaller. > > The 1650 is real nice looking with that purple cascade on the grill. > That's > where Wurlitzer excelled in the 50's I think, with gorgeous coloured light > flowing from the pilasters over the embossed aluminum grilles. Starting > with > the 1100. > > limping out, Jens > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:20 PM, etreble7 wrote: > >> Good Morning, >> after reading all the posts regarding the missing selector and other >> jukebox part I had a really nice experience over the weekend regarding >> the >> dome I had won on ebay for my 1650. >> >> The part is coming out of MI, Games People Play, and I received a phone >> call from the owner, John telling me the dome might not fit my 1650, he >> would return my check, as there is a slight difference in size between >> the >> 1600 & 1650 so I measured (wrong I might add and Mel had to correct me, >> thank goodness for Mel) and he called back and with my NEW measurements, >> the >> dome is correct and on it's way!! >> >> Nice there are still so many good dealers and repair techs out there, I >> will let you kow when it arrives in one piece! >> Jackie >> Dancin' Out >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Mon Sep 22 07:55:24 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Mon Sep 22 07:57:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller References: <3154d3690809220731r39a2ca0bnbb0e13da8d97a4fc@mail.gmail.com> <4320EC6929394AF38CFC7BC47245D03E@home1903> Message-ID: <498C5B59481F440C805DD80FB3A9F7B3@home1903> Jens, I don't have any purple light on my 1650, is it missing? All I have is the lighted pilasters with colored paper behind them and the top part of the grill is a faded red that doesn't really show much. I thought of painting a very light color over the grill but don't know if it would do damage to the speaker? Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "etreble7" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller > Jens > why are you limping??? > Jackie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jens Hultgren" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:31 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller > > >> Dear Jackie, >> just to clarify the difference is between the 1953 1600/1650 models and >> the >> 1954 1600A/1650A models. The latter are smaller. >> >> The 1650 is real nice looking with that purple cascade on the grill. >> That's >> where Wurlitzer excelled in the 50's I think, with gorgeous coloured >> light >> flowing from the pilasters over the embossed aluminum grilles. Starting >> with >> the 1100. >> >> limping out, Jens >> >> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:20 PM, etreble7 wrote: >> >>> Good Morning, >>> after reading all the posts regarding the missing selector and other >>> jukebox part I had a really nice experience over the weekend regarding >>> the >>> dome I had won on ebay for my 1650. >>> >>> The part is coming out of MI, Games People Play, and I received a phone >>> call from the owner, John telling me the dome might not fit my 1650, he >>> would return my check, as there is a slight difference in size between >>> the >>> 1600 & 1650 so I measured (wrong I might add and Mel had to correct me, >>> thank goodness for Mel) and he called back and with my NEW measurements, >>> the >>> dome is correct and on it's way!! >>> >>> Nice there are still so many good dealers and repair techs out there, I >>> will let you kow when it arrives in one piece! >>> Jackie >>> Dancin' Out >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 08:15:24 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Mon Sep 22 08:16:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller In-Reply-To: <498C5B59481F440C805DD80FB3A9F7B3@home1903> References: <3154d3690809220731r39a2ca0bnbb0e13da8d97a4fc@mail.gmail.com> <4320EC6929394AF38CFC7BC47245D03E@home1903> <498C5B59481F440C805DD80FB3A9F7B3@home1903> Message-ID: <3154d3690809220815x70fe66d5o67a78f426a49d5bc@mail.gmail.com> The flourescent above the grille is supposed to be purple, I believe, after looking at the brochure and owning a few of these babies.You could use a coloured flourescent, or you could use coloured gels to achieve the same effect. Doesn't have to be purple, but it sure looks nice. :o) It is a little strange how those glass pilasters are empty. There is an opportunity to improve on the original design there! Limping I am from hurting foot - a-waiting surgical correction for three years now. Plain wore out from old age, doctor said. :o/ Jens On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:55 PM, etreble7 wrote: > Jens, > I don't have any purple light on my 1650, is it missing? All I have is the > lighted pilasters with colored paper behind them and the top part of the > grill is a faded red that doesn't really show much. I thought of painting a > very light color over the grill but don't know if it would do damage to the > speaker? > Jackie > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "etreble7" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:48 AM > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller > > > Jens >> why are you limping??? >> Jackie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Hultgren" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:31 AM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller >> >> >> Dear Jackie, >>> just to clarify the difference is between the 1953 1600/1650 models and >>> the >>> 1954 1600A/1650A models. The latter are smaller. >>> >>> The 1650 is real nice looking with that purple cascade on the grill. >>> That's >>> where Wurlitzer excelled in the 50's I think, with gorgeous coloured >>> light >>> flowing from the pilasters over the embossed aluminum grilles. Starting >>> with >>> the 1100. >>> >>> limping out, Jens >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:20 PM, etreble7 wrote: >>> >>> Good Morning, >>>> after reading all the posts regarding the missing selector and other >>>> jukebox part I had a really nice experience over the weekend regarding >>>> the >>>> dome I had won on ebay for my 1650. >>>> >>>> The part is coming out of MI, Games People Play, and I received a phone >>>> call from the owner, John telling me the dome might not fit my 1650, he >>>> would return my check, as there is a slight difference in size between >>>> the >>>> 1600 & 1650 so I measured (wrong I might add and Mel had to correct me, >>>> thank goodness for Mel) and he called back and with my NEW measurements, >>>> the >>>> dome is correct and on it's way!! >>>> >>>> Nice there are still so many good dealers and repair techs out there, I >>>> will let you kow when it arrives in one piece! >>>> Jackie >>>> Dancin' Out >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From etreble7 at verizon.net Mon Sep 22 08:50:19 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Mon Sep 22 08:51:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller References: <3154d3690809220731r39a2ca0bnbb0e13da8d97a4fc@mail.gmail.com> <4320EC6929394AF38CFC7BC47245D03E@home1903> <498C5B59481F440C805DD80FB3A9F7B3@home1903> <3154d3690809220815x70fe66d5o67a78f426a49d5bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3CEE485EDAE844F5B00ED115D79433D7@home1903> Oh pooh, you're not old, I've seen for myself!! lol Ok, so does the purple light shine down on the redish grille? Where do you get the colored gels? I agree, the empty pilasters are strange, they could have done so much more there. Mel has designed a Light Stick that he has mounted in another juke that he says looks great. There is lots of room for animation in those pilasters, guess the 1650 was just designed to be cheaper to buy. It's certainly not the prettiest of Jukes but it has a place in my heart, not to mention Mel gave me a suped up Amp so the sound is terrific! I am so hoping with the Dome on, it will have that "finished" look. I will send pics Take care of your foot Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Hultgren" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller > The flourescent above the grille is supposed to be purple, I believe, > after > looking at the brochure and owning a few of these babies.You could use a > coloured flourescent, or you could use coloured gels to achieve the same > effect. > Doesn't have to be purple, but it sure looks nice. :o) > It is a little strange how those glass pilasters are empty. There is an > opportunity to improve on the original design there! > > Limping I am from hurting foot - a-waiting surgical correction for three > years now. Plain wore out from old age, doctor said. :o/ > > Jens > > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:55 PM, etreble7 wrote: > >> Jens, >> I don't have any purple light on my 1650, is it missing? All I have is >> the >> lighted pilasters with colored paper behind them and the top part of the >> grill is a faded red that doesn't really show much. I thought of >> painting a >> very light color over the grill but don't know if it would do damage to >> the >> speaker? >> Jackie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "etreble7" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:48 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller >> >> >> Jens >>> why are you limping??? >>> Jackie >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Hultgren" >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:31 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller >>> >>> >>> Dear Jackie, >>>> just to clarify the difference is between the 1953 1600/1650 models and >>>> the >>>> 1954 1600A/1650A models. The latter are smaller. >>>> >>>> The 1650 is real nice looking with that purple cascade on the grill. >>>> That's >>>> where Wurlitzer excelled in the 50's I think, with gorgeous coloured >>>> light >>>> flowing from the pilasters over the embossed aluminum grilles. Starting >>>> with >>>> the 1100. >>>> >>>> limping out, Jens >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:20 PM, etreble7 wrote: >>>> >>>> Good Morning, >>>>> after reading all the posts regarding the missing selector and other >>>>> jukebox part I had a really nice experience over the weekend regarding >>>>> the >>>>> dome I had won on ebay for my 1650. >>>>> >>>>> The part is coming out of MI, Games People Play, and I received a >>>>> phone >>>>> call from the owner, John telling me the dome might not fit my 1650, >>>>> he >>>>> would return my check, as there is a slight difference in size between >>>>> the >>>>> 1600 & 1650 so I measured (wrong I might add and Mel had to correct >>>>> me, >>>>> thank goodness for Mel) and he called back and with my NEW >>>>> measurements, >>>>> the >>>>> dome is correct and on it's way!! >>>>> >>>>> Nice there are still so many good dealers and repair techs out there, >>>>> I >>>>> will let you kow when it arrives in one piece! >>>>> Jackie >>>>> Dancin' Out >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 22 09:10:20 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 22 09:13:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2204 Sound Distortion Message-ID: <20080922.121020.4180.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Hello Kevin: The electronic symptoms you are describing sound exactly like someone has tried to install a modern ceramic or magnetic element phono cartridge into your W2204 and wire it into the Zenith Cobra cartridge circuits. Your jukebox amplifier normally has a lot of gain. An average volume control setting for a comfortable listening level should be 15-25% open. The snapping,crackling sounds are probably caused by incorrect grounding or a wiring error made when the "replacement" cartridge was installed. The lit "fuses" that you are referring to are probably the amplifier's vacuum tubes. You will see an orange filament glow when they are lit. The tubes do get warm. The large size ones will be hot to the touch. The original Cobra phono cartridge setup consisted of a plug-in mounting bracket (fastened to the tone arm) with two solder lugs (for a co-axial wire) connection. The Cobra cartridge,which plugs into the bracket is usually a green color, shaped somewhat like a tooth. You'll see the phono needle at one end (the cavity of the "tooth") and two contact pins at the other end. If you go to a vendors' website, www.needles4jukeboxes.com, go to the Wurlitzer file. Under either "cobra" cartridges or "Astatic 97-1" you will see a picture of what your original cartridge should look like. To make the sound system function, you are either going to need to replicate the original Cobra setup as it was or modify the amplifier circuitry to accomodate a newer cartridge. Buying a complete replacement tone arm isn't usually necessary. Most newer cartridge choices have the advantage of tracking the records more lightly, resulting in less record wear. The cobra pickup was designed for mono recordings, which were phased out by the early 60's for stereo recordings. For technical reasons, the conversion is the better way to go. Some folks would rather keep their jukebox as originally built and use the Cobra setup. When I answered your last email, I'm sorry if I got too "techy" for you. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Internet Security Software - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s9vBOyqn5NwqvUJWwHM7beI4lIrhT79yRMO3kvBGxoBITVc/ From bobfav at cox.net Mon Sep 22 11:24:46 2008 From: bobfav at cox.net (User) Date: Mon Sep 22 11:21:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer model 24 Title Board needed Message-ID: Hi Gang Does anyone know where I can get my hands on a titleboard assembly for a Wurlitzer model 24? We seem to have misplaced it and after a lot of years, we are trying to put this machine back together. I appreciate any help you may be able to offer. Bob From bobfav at cox.net Mon Sep 22 11:32:13 2008 From: bobfav at cox.net (User) Date: Mon Sep 22 11:28:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet Message-ID: Hello again I have a Rock-Ola liquor cabinet to dispose of. Presumably made during WW2 when no metal was available for civilian projects, it stand on 4 tall legs. 2 door on the front and the top lid opens. Dark finish. I have no problem listing this on eBay, but wonder if you guys could suggest how to ship? The legs are not removable so to box it, this puppy will be pretty large. If someone could suggest the best form of shipping, I will contact them, get a price and then list the item. It does not have glassware, so I assume it is only worth a few hundred dollars, so shipping needs to be reasonable. Thanks for any advice you could offer. Bob in Rhode Island From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 12:03:21 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Sep 22 12:04:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <713659.69789.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 9/22/08, User wrote: > I have a Rock-Ola liquor cabinet to dispose of. Presumably > made during WW2 > when no metal was available for civilian projects, it stand > on 4 tall legs. > 2 door on the front and the top lid opens. Dark finish. I can't answer your question, but I'd love to see a few pictures of this thing. What didn't Rock-Ola make during the war? My brother has a Rock-Ola M-1 carbine. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Sep 22 12:26:53 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Sep 22 12:30:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer model 24 Title Board needed Message-ID: <20080922.152653.25215.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I'm aware of two "jukebox junkyard" type businesses that salvage and stock a lot of lot old jukebox parts. This should be a good place to start looking for your Wurl 24 titleboard. Both of these companies operate websites. One is Durfee Coin-Op (located in suburban Boston MA) PH 978 544 3800 web:www.jukebox parts.com email:durfee@jukeboxparts.com The other is jukebox parts distributor, Victory Glass in Waukee, IA. They do have some "take-off" parts for sale along with their new replicated parts inventory. Ask for Steve Loots. PH 515 987 5765 web: www.victoryglass.com Last, I'm aware of a fellow named Bill Butterfield in NV, who is supposed to have a parts-salvage business, but I have no info for him. Maybe you can Google his address. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Start Email Marketing - fast, affordable, and measurable. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s0KtM01yMrYFHHgLaJQZS21hoezbueO6l8S8N0IgUQHx5kK/ From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Mon Sep 22 12:51:35 2008 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Mon Sep 22 13:04:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer model 24 Title Board needed In-Reply-To: <20080922.152653.25215.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080922.152653.25215.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Bill Butterfield's site is as follows: http://www.jukebox-parts.com/ I have consistently found Bill's prices to be more reasonable than most other used parts suppliers. Only down side is that he travels a lot, so there may be a couple of days delay in his response. Definitely worth looking into. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 2008, September, 22 3:27 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer model 24 Title Board needed Gentlemen: I'm aware of two "jukebox junkyard" type businesses that salvage and stock a lot of lot old jukebox parts. This should be a good place to start looking for your Wurl 24 titleboard. Both of these companies operate websites. One is Durfee Coin-Op (located in suburban Boston MA) PH 978 544 3800 web:www.jukebox parts.com email:durfee@jukeboxparts.com The other is jukebox parts distributor, Victory Glass in Waukee, IA. They do have some "take-off" parts for sale along with their new replicated parts inventory. Ask for Steve Loots. PH 515 987 5765 web: www.victoryglass.com Last, I'm aware of a fellow named Bill Butterfield in NV, who is supposed to have a parts-salvage business, but I have no info for him. Maybe you can Google his address. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Start Email Marketing - fast, affordable, and measurable. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s0KtM01yMrYFHHgLaJ QZS21hoezbueO6l8S8N0IgUQHx5kK/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From stamann at jukebox-world.de Mon Sep 22 13:43:42 2008 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Mon Sep 22 13:52:04 2008 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer star speaker... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Justin, I did talk to our friend who has all the different star speakers and we use pictures of them in our archive. He is very sure that all stars had light bulbs. There had been earlier and later versions with different grill cloth and ways how the lamp sockets where fixed. There had been two versions of both 4000 and 4002. early serial numbers: Those have the star on the grill cloth. The cloth has a chessboard pattern (the speaker in our archive has the "wrong" grill cloth because the correct one isn't available). Speaker: 12" / 8 Ohm later serial numbers: Zig-Zag pattern grill cloth with the musical note. 8" speaker / 3,5 Ohm Lamp sockets where mounted in a different way on those. We hope to be able to offer a nice reproduction grill cloth (zig-zag) next year. Kind regards - Oliver P.S.: If you want you can add the serial numbers of your speakers to our database - that might bring more "light" into this. http://www.jbw-forum.de/sdb -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Justin S. Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. September 2008 23:03 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer star speaker... hello to all, i picked up a wurlitzer star speaker a few days back. got to looking at pictures of the ones i've had over the years and it seems there are several types. mine is a 4000, which has the nickel plated points, but there are no light sockets. it's near pristine; no signs of ever being tampered with, so fairly certain this is how it left the factory. it has the star in the center of the grille cloth as well. i have pics of one 4000 i bought years ago that had the light sockets and no star in the center, but with screen printed grillecloth... and another 4000 i bought that had light sockets and the star. trying to figure out how many versions of this speaker were made. anyone know? did they all light? there is a beautiful one on oliver stamann's webpage that is lit. http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Wurlitzer/wurlitzer4000.htm did someone add the lights oliver? has anyone sourced good replacement light sockets? how about the correct grille cloth? thanks to any who may have some info. justin _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn "10 hidden secrets" from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ddedic at earthlink.net Mon Sep 22 12:21:01 2008 From: ddedic at earthlink.net (dale dedic) Date: Mon Sep 22 14:02:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet References: <713659.69789.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <595C0DCBA1DF4EA3A42D72F0A1B646B2@Enevoldsen> I have a Rock-Ola Pepsi machine probably made in the 1970's. Only one I have ever seen. Any one else seen one? Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08, User wrote: > >> I have a Rock-Ola liquor cabinet to dispose of. Presumably >> made during WW2 >> when no metal was available for civilian projects, it stand >> on 4 tall legs. >> 2 door on the front and the top lid opens. Dark finish. > > > I can't answer your question, but I'd love to see a few > pictures of this thing. What didn't Rock-Ola make during > the war? My brother has a Rock-Ola M-1 carbine. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From drjukebox at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 14:02:47 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Mon Sep 22 14:03:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer star speaker... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3154d3690809221402k195764d3w9c2573663c80e02d@mail.gmail.com> IIRC early 4000 wallspeakers did not have the lights. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Stamann wrote: > Hello Justin, > > I did talk to our friend who has all the different star speakers and we use > pictures of them in our archive. > He is very sure that all stars had light bulbs. There had been earlier and > later versions with different grill cloth and ways how the lamp sockets > where fixed. > > There had been two versions of both 4000 and 4002. > > early serial numbers: > Those have the star on the grill cloth. The cloth has a chessboard pattern > (the speaker in our archive has the "wrong" grill cloth because the correct > one isn't available). > Speaker: 12" / 8 Ohm > > later serial numbers: > Zig-Zag pattern grill cloth with the musical note. > 8" speaker / 3,5 Ohm > Lamp sockets where mounted in a different way on those. > > We hope to be able to offer a nice reproduction grill cloth (zig-zag) next > year. > > Kind regards - Oliver > > P.S.: If you want you can add the serial numbers of your speakers to our > database - that might bring more "light" into this. > http://www.jbw-forum.de/sdb > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto: > jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Justin S. > Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. September 2008 23:03 > An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Betreff: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer star speaker... > > > hello to all, > > i picked up a wurlitzer star speaker a few days back. got to looking at > pictures of the ones i've had over the years and it seems there are several > types. mine is a 4000, which has the nickel plated points, but there are no > light sockets. it's near pristine; no signs of ever being tampered with, so > fairly certain this is how it left the factory. it has the star in the > center of the grille cloth as well. i have pics of one 4000 i bought years > ago that had the light sockets and no star in the center, but with screen > printed grillecloth... and another 4000 i bought that had light sockets and > the star. trying to figure out how many versions of this speaker were made. > anyone know? did they all light? there is a beautiful one on oliver > stamann's webpage that is lit. > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Wurlitzer/wurlitzer4000.htm did > someone add the lights oliver? has anyone sourced good replacement light > sockets? how about the correct grille cloth? thanks to any who may have some > info. > > justin > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn "10 hidden secrets" from Jamie. > > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-listmailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From stamann at jukebox-world.de Mon Sep 22 14:35:43 2008 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Mon Sep 22 14:39:48 2008 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer star speaker... In-Reply-To: <3154d3690809221402k195764d3w9c2573663c80e02d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Justin, maybe you can check if there are any holes on the wood ring where the lamp sockets are usually attached. Here are pictures of both versions shown from the back: www.jukebox-world.de/forum/bilder/Wurlitzer/4000-early-late.jpg Kind regards - Oliver -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Jens Hultgren Gesendet: Montag, 22. September 2008 23:03 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer star speaker... IIRC early 4000 wallspeakers did not have the lights. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Stamann wrote: > Hello Justin, > > I did talk to our friend who has all the different star speakers and > we use pictures of them in our archive. > He is very sure that all stars had light bulbs. There had been earlier > and later versions with different grill cloth and ways how the lamp > sockets where fixed. > > There had been two versions of both 4000 and 4002. > > early serial numbers: > Those have the star on the grill cloth. The cloth has a chessboard > pattern (the speaker in our archive has the "wrong" grill cloth > because the correct one isn't available). > Speaker: 12" / 8 Ohm > > later serial numbers: > Zig-Zag pattern grill cloth with the musical note. > 8" speaker / 3,5 Ohm > Lamp sockets where mounted in a different way on those. > > We hope to be able to offer a nice reproduction grill cloth (zig-zag) > next year. > > Kind regards - Oliver > > P.S.: If you want you can add the serial numbers of your speakers to > our database - that might bring more "light" into this. > http://www.jbw-forum.de/sdb > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto: > jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Justin S. > Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. September 2008 23:03 > An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Betreff: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer star speaker... > > > hello to all, > > i picked up a wurlitzer star speaker a few days back. got to looking > at pictures of the ones i've had over the years and it seems there are > several types. mine is a 4000, which has the nickel plated points, but > there are no light sockets. it's near pristine; no signs of ever being > tampered with, so fairly certain this is how it left the factory. it > has the star in the center of the grille cloth as well. i have pics of > one 4000 i bought years ago that had the light sockets and no star in > the center, but with screen printed grillecloth... and another 4000 i > bought that had light sockets and the star. trying to figure out how many versions of this speaker were made. > anyone know? did they all light? there is a beautiful one on oliver > stamann's webpage that is lit. > http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Wurlitzer/wurlitzer4000.htm did > someone add the lights oliver? has anyone sourced good replacement > light sockets? how about the correct grille cloth? thanks to any who > may have some info. > > justin > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn "10 hidden secrets" from Jamie. > > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog- > cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008_______ > ________________________________________ > Jukebox-list ive.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_ > 092008_______________________________________________Jukebox-list>mail > ing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From johntrav at suddenlink.net Mon Sep 22 14:49:10 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Mon Sep 22 14:50:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet References: <713659.69789.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <595C0DCBA1DF4EA3A42D72F0A1B646B2@Enevoldsen> Message-ID: Yes, and Rock-Ola also had a coffee vending machine in the early 60's. I worked on many during my years as a vending mechanic in Chicago. John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "dale dedic" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet >I have a Rock-Ola Pepsi machine probably made in the 1970's. Only one I >have ever seen. Any one else seen one? > Dale > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Breneman" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet > > >> >> --- On Mon, 9/22/08, User wrote: >> >>> I have a Rock-Ola liquor cabinet to dispose of. Presumably >>> made during WW2 >>> when no metal was available for civilian projects, it stand >>> on 4 tall legs. >>> 2 door on the front and the top lid opens. Dark finish. >> >> >> I can't answer your question, but I'd love to see a few >> pictures of this thing. What didn't Rock-Ola make during >> the war? My brother has a Rock-Ola M-1 carbine. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 22 15:03:41 2008 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Mon Sep 22 15:04:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Looking for Brad Merchant Message-ID: <620958.21477.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi List! The number I have for Brad Merchant seems to be 'stale'. Anyone out there in jukebox-land know if Brad is still in the biz and if so, a working number to reach him? TIA, Bob - Chicago From bobe at halted.com Mon Sep 22 15:04:41 2008 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Mon Sep 22 15:39:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet Message-ID: <2.2.32.20080922220441.008fc8a0@hsces.com> At 04:49 PM 9/22/2008 -0500, you wrote: >Yes, and Rock-Ola also had a coffee vending machine in the early 60's. I >worked on many during my years as a vending mechanic in Chicago. I think they also made a "folding bar" that could be stored flat in a closet, then unfolded and latched into position to form a small, bar-height table to use as a drink mixing platform during parties. I can't remember where I saw the article on them, however. --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 17:01:46 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Sep 22 17:02:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet In-Reply-To: <595C0DCBA1DF4EA3A42D72F0A1B646B2@Enevoldsen> Message-ID: <168724.10779.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Dale, It's not a "Pepsi" machine--it's a Rock ola can vendor, or bottle vendor, with a "Pepsi paint job". They sold them to all company's making soft drinks--including "Coke", Dr Pepper, and others. They also? made them without a "name" on them--Just said "cold drinks". Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/22/08, dale dedic wrote: From: dale dedic Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet To: david_breneman@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 12:21 PM I have a Rock-Ola Pepsi machine probably made in the 1970's. Only one I have ever seen. Any one else seen one? Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08, User wrote: > >> I have a Rock-Ola liquor cabinet to dispose of. Presumably >> made during WW2 >> when no metal was available for civilian projects, it stand >> on 4 tall legs. >> 2 door on the front and the top lid opens. Dark finish. > > > I can't answer your question, but I'd love to see a few > pictures of this thing. What didn't Rock-Ola make during > the war? My brother has a Rock-Ola M-1 carbine. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 22 17:14:15 2008 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Mon Sep 22 17:15:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer star speaker... Message-ID: Hello Oliver and also Jens, Thank you so much Oliver for the link to the photos. That answered my biggest question. So from your pics, my latest speaker is the early design. The serial is 1361787. The wood frame is much thicker and heavier than on the later versions. That's the real determining characteristic. Looking at the wooden ring, there are holes exactly where the lights should be on the early version, but nothing has ever been there. no evidence of screws or nuts or anything making contact at these spots so thinking this speaker never had lights. I know I've had these speakers w/o lights before. It would be great to have a set of sockets to install. Oliver, do you have a closer picture of the earlier type of socket. Thanks. Justin _____________________________ Hello Justin, maybe you can check if there are any holes on the wood ring where the lamp sockets are usually attached. Here are pictures of both versions shown from the back: www.jukebox-world.de/forum/bilder/Wurlitzer/4000-early-late.jpg Kind regards - Oliver _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ From kklashley at yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 18:22:41 2008 From: kklashley at yahoo.com (Kevin Lashley) Date: Mon Sep 22 18:23:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 6L6GC tube VERY VERY HOT Message-ID: <878952.86524.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I know I kind of asked this already but I pulled all my tubes from the amp and? wiped the dirt off them. When I turn the machine on you can smell them getting HOT.? Then the smell goes away and the one tube 6L6GC is EXTREMELY HOT like burn your finger to touch "I know I did it"? Is this normal. Its a wurlitzer model 532 amp. ? Still working on my sound. Kevin From stezzariffic at yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 18:40:55 2008 From: stezzariffic at yahoo.com (Steve Gerlach) Date: Mon Sep 22 18:47:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay Message-ID: <370529.77698.qm@web46301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> G'day all, Just thought any Aussies on this list may be interested in my Entertainer which I've regretfully put online for sale (with a very heavy heart.) Check it out. The URL is too long, so do a search on Item number: 300260245681. Happy to answer any questions. Steve Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Sep 22 18:44:05 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Sep 22 18:51:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller Message-ID: Can't wait to see the 1650 with the dome glass. BTW I received my ebay 1400 plastic pilaster and it is near perfect with only a couple of light scratches but no cracks which are so common on 1400 plastic pilasters. I'm a happy camper. A couple of people over on the Wurlitzer group have joked about not bidding it up if they knew it was me. I'm sure they're all jealous as it doesn't look like Ken Arnold will ever make any more and the plastic company Jimmy Day was talking to took one look at one and didn't want to undertake such a task. They're much more complicated to make than Seeburg C pilasters and a lot of other pilasters as the pattern is molded in.Glass pilasters from 1600 series jukes usually only break from abuse but other factors come into play in plastic pilasters as plastic breaks down from age and exposure to the sun,ultraviolet light from the flourescent lights,moisture,cold etc.They've been on backorder from Victory Glass for years now.One big factor is the low value and collectibility of a 1400 versus the cost of the replacement pilasters which was last priced at $400 a set so not enough of a demand.That reminds me to sign onto ebay and give the seller the positive feedback he deserves.We need more ebayers like these folks. J.C. In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:52:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: Ok, so does the purple light shine down on the redish grille? Where do you get the colored gels? I agree, the empty pilasters are strange, they could have done so much more there. Mel has designed a Light Stick that he has mounted in another juke that he says looks great. There is lots of room for animation in those pilasters, guess the 1650 was just designed to be cheaper to buy. It's certainly not the prettiest of Jukes but it has a place in my heart, not to mention Mel gave me a suped up Amp so the sound is terrific! I am so hoping with the Dome on, it will have that "finished" look. I will send pics Take care of your foot **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From pinball at telus.net Mon Sep 22 18:56:50 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Sep 22 18:57:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 6L6GC tube VERY VERY HOT In-Reply-To: <878952.86524.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <878952.86524.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48D84CE2.4020409@telus.net> Kevin Lashley wrote: > I know I kind of asked this already but I pulled all my tubes from the amp and wiped the dirt off them. When I turn the machine on you can smell them getting HOT. Then the smell goes away and the one tube 6L6GC is EXTREMELY HOT like burn your finger to touch "I know I did it" Is this normal. Its a wurlitzer model 532 amp. > > Still working on my sound. Kevin > Have you recapped the amp and checked the resistors yet? If not I would not attempt to run an amp until that job is done - you risk transformers, tubes, and the acoustic quality will not be at its best either... If the 6L6 plate was glowing then you have a real problem (bad cap) that MUST be fixed before trying the amp again! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 18:58:40 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Sep 22 18:59:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay In-Reply-To: <370529.77698.qm@web46301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <607232.79820.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hey Steve, #1, Change the neighbours !? # 2, You Aussies ain't that weak---are you ? I have transported "millions" of STD2's onto and off a truck all by myself (well, and a lift gate). About 350 lbs---Just do not put it on a side, or it's back !? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Steve Gerlach wrote: From: Steve Gerlach Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 6:40 PM G'day all, Just thought any Aussies on this list may be interested in my Entertainer which I've regretfully put online for sale (with a very heavy heart.) Check it out. The URL is too long, so do a search on Item number: 300260245681. Happy to answer any questions. Steve Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 19:00:56 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Sep 22 19:02:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 6L6GC tube VERY VERY HOT In-Reply-To: <878952.86524.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <814726.85351.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Kevin Lashley wrote: > When I > turn the machine on you can smell them getting HOT. Then > the smell goes away and the one tube 6L6GC is EXTREMELY HOT > like burn your finger to touch "I know I did it" > Is this normal. Tubes as a rule get very hot, about as hot as a light bulb. That's the "therm" in "thermionic emission". :-) Is there something that makes you think they're getting unusually hot? Are the heaters glowing orange, or are they brighter? Is any other part of the tube glowing? From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Sep 22 18:56:36 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Sep 22 19:03:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer model 24 Title Board needed Message-ID: Bill Butterfield will most likely have it. I got a Wurlitzer 24 titleholder from him a while ago when dummy me tried to straighten my warped left one and it snapped in several pieces.It's pot metal and doesn't like to be bent especially 70 year old pot metal.He has some 24 parts and even one in his own personal collection. He sent me pictures of his.He's always reasonably priced and will send detailed pictures of what you are buying to allow you to see the condition of the part before you commit. J.C. In a message dated 9/22/2008 4:05:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michael.dicecco@rbc.com writes: Bill Butterfield's site is as follows: http://www.jukebox-parts.com/ I have consistently found Bill's prices to be more reasonable than most other used parts suppliers. Only down side is that he travels a lot, so there may be a couple of days delay in his response. Definitely worth looking into. Mike **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From pinball at telus.net Mon Sep 22 19:10:06 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Sep 22 19:11:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay In-Reply-To: <607232.79820.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <607232.79820.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48D84FFE.3040202@telus.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Hey Steve, > #1, Change the neighbours ! # 2, You Aussies ain't that weak---are you ? I have transported "millions" of STD2's onto and off a truck all by myself (well, and a lift gate). About 350 lbs---Just do not put it on a side, or it's back ! Ron Rich > We transport them on their back, but you do have to stuff around the records to prevent them from flying! And NEVER transport a Seeburg from the side without first using the special shipping bolts to secure the mechanism. If you do not know what I am talking about then read below... The special shipping bolts are about 8 to 10 inches long, have a flattened end with a small hole in it (you can turn it with your fingers) and the there is a smooth shaft about 4 inches long, then a bevel out/in with the balance of the bolt threaded (10/24 I think). There should be two bolts per mechanism, scan the mech to A1 (1st record on the left) and then the carriage should be lined up with the two holes through the frame. The bolts then screw into the underside of the carriage holding it very firmly against the frame so it can't bounce around possibly damaging the threads or other parts of the mech (early machines can pop off of the scan block). SAVE THESE BOLTS FOR FUTURE SHIPPING! John :-#)# > --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Steve Gerlach wrote: > > From: Steve Gerlach > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 6:40 PM > > G'day all, > > Just thought any Aussies on this list may be interested in my Entertainer which > I've regretfully put online for sale (with a very heavy heart.) > > Check it out. The URL is too long, so do a search on Item number: 300260245681. > > Happy to answer any questions. > > Steve > > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 19:12:21 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon Sep 22 19:13:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet In-Reply-To: <595C0DCBA1DF4EA3A42D72F0A1B646B2@Enevoldsen> References: <713659.69789.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <595C0DCBA1DF4EA3A42D72F0A1B646B2@Enevoldsen> Message-ID: The very first soda machine I owned when my amusement company branched out into vending was a Rockola CCA-6 vendor. Cooled great, but don't ever allow any cans to get so cold they freeze up. Unjamming them is a nightmare you DON'T want to undertake. I chose just to take the easy route and just replaced the machine with a Dixie-Narco, and sold the Rockola on Ebay for about $50... :) Thomas On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 2:21 PM, dale dedic wrote: > I have a Rock-Ola Pepsi machine probably made in the 1970's. Only one I > have ever seen. Any one else seen one? > Dale > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" < > david_breneman@yahoo.com> > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet > > > > >> --- On Mon, 9/22/08, User wrote: >> >> I have a Rock-Ola liquor cabinet to dispose of. Presumably >>> made during WW2 >>> when no metal was available for civilian projects, it stand >>> on 4 tall legs. >>> 2 door on the front and the top lid opens. Dark finish. >>> >> >> >> I can't answer your question, but I'd love to see a few >> pictures of this thing. What didn't Rock-Ola make during >> the war? My brother has a Rock-Ola M-1 carbine. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From stezzariffic at yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 19:14:07 2008 From: stezzariffic at yahoo.com (Steve Gerlach) Date: Mon Sep 22 19:15:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay Message-ID: <695811.65137.qm@web46314.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Don't worry, Ron. I tried to kill off the neighbors with the noise... didn't work. Plus, the kids prefer their ipods now :( I've moved the STD2 before by myself and a lift gate, but we now have polished floorboards and I want to make sure we "lift" the machine out and over the boards, not leaving any scratches. My biggest fear is that it will be parted out :( I've had it since 1986. Steve ----- Original Message ---- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, 23 September, 2008 11:58:40 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay Hey Steve, #1, Change the neighbours ! # 2, You Aussies ain't that weak---are you ? I have transported "millions" of STD2's onto and off a truck all by myself (well, and a lift gate). About 350 lbs---Just do not put it on a side, or it's back ! Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Steve Gerlach wrote: From: Steve Gerlach Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 6:40 PM G'day all, Just thought any Aussies on this list may be interested in my Entertainer which I've regretfully put online for sale (with a very heavy heart.) Check it out. The URL is too long, so do a search on Item number: 300260245681. Happy to answer any questions. Steve Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 19:25:07 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Sep 22 19:26:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <854550.12803.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Thomas, For about $15.00 you could have changed the "cold control", and had a fine working machine---Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 7:12 PM The very first soda machine I owned when my amusement company branched out into vending was a Rockola CCA-6 vendor. Cooled great, but don't ever allow any cans to get so cold they freeze up. Unjamming them is a nightmare you DON'T want to undertake. I chose just to take the easy route and just replaced the machine with a Dixie-Narco, and sold the Rockola on Ebay for about $50... :) Thomas On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 2:21 PM, dale dedic wrote: > I have a Rock-Ola Pepsi machine probably made in the 1970's. Only one I > have ever seen. Any one else seen one? > Dale > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" < > david_breneman@yahoo.com> > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet > > > > >> --- On Mon, 9/22/08, User wrote: >> >> I have a Rock-Ola liquor cabinet to dispose of. Presumably >>> made during WW2 >>> when no metal was available for civilian projects, it stand >>> on 4 tall legs. >>> 2 door on the front and the top lid opens. Dark finish. >>> >> >> >> I can't answer your question, but I'd love to see a few >> pictures of this thing. What didn't Rock-Ola make during >> the war? My brother has a Rock-Ola M-1 carbine. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 19:27:44 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Sep 22 19:28:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay In-Reply-To: <695811.65137.qm@web46314.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <678976.4630.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Steve, All kidding aside--Make sure the kids keep those iPods turned low. My ear doctor says he is getting rich, because of them !!? ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Steve Gerlach wrote: From: Steve Gerlach Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 7:14 PM Don't worry, Ron. I tried to kill off the neighbors with the noise... didn't work. Plus, the kids prefer their ipods now :( I've moved the STD2 before by myself and a lift gate, but we now have polished floorboards and I want to make sure we "lift" the machine out and over the boards, not leaving any scratches. My biggest fear is that it will be parted out :( I've had it since 1986. Steve ----- Original Message ---- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, 23 September, 2008 11:58:40 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay Hey Steve, #1, Change the neighbours ! # 2, You Aussies ain't that weak---are you ? I have transported "millions" of STD2's onto and off a truck all by myself (well, and a lift gate). About 350 lbs---Just do not put it on a side, or it's back ! Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Steve Gerlach wrote: From: Steve Gerlach Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 6:40 PM G'day all, Just thought any Aussies on this list may be interested in my Entertainer which I've regretfully put online for sale (with a very heavy heart.) Check it out. The URL is too long, so do a search on Item number: 300260245681. Happy to answer any questions. Steve Make the switch to the world's best email. 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Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 19:48:03 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon Sep 22 19:49:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet In-Reply-To: <854550.12803.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <854550.12803.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yep, could have done that after I pried about another 200+ cans.... I quit after prying and breaking about 40 cans (the ones that were easier to to reach). I'd have followed the same route today if I faced it. At least Dixie-Narco and Vendo got it right by using a loading arrangement substantially different than Rockola. I've only had one DN freeze on me, and it was less than half an hour before I had all the cans out (and only busted a handful of cans in the process). It's been almost 10 years since I had that Rockola vendor. There were alot of things I didn't like about that machine after operating other makes, but I needed a machine fast to secure a new location and that was the first machine I could find. It served well for the few years I had it. Not sure if the refrigeration system was easy to pull if the unit needed service. Jukeboxes were what Rockola did best. Thomas On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Thomas, > For about $15.00 you could have changed the "cold control", and had a fine > working machine---Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Thomas Teeter wrote: > > From: Thomas Teeter > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 7:12 PM > > The very first soda machine I owned when my amusement company branched out > into vending was a Rockola CCA-6 vendor. Cooled great, but don't ever allow > any cans to get so cold they freeze up. Unjamming them is a nightmare you > DON'T want to undertake. I chose just to take the easy route and just > replaced the machine with a Dixie-Narco, and sold the Rockola on Ebay for > about $50... :) > > Thomas > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 2:21 PM, dale dedic wrote: > > > I have a Rock-Ola Pepsi machine probably made in the 1970's. Only one > I > > have ever seen. Any one else seen one? > > Dale > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" < > > david_breneman@yahoo.com> > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet > > > > > > > > > >> --- On Mon, 9/22/08, User wrote: > >> > >> I have a Rock-Ola liquor cabinet to dispose of. Presumably > >>> made during WW2 > >>> when no metal was available for civilian projects, it stand > >>> on 4 tall legs. > >>> 2 door on the front and the top lid opens. Dark finish. > >>> > >> > >> > >> I can't answer your question, but I'd love to see a few > >> pictures of this thing. What didn't Rock-Ola make during > >> the war? My brother has a Rock-Ola M-1 carbine. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Sep 22 19:45:55 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Sep 22 19:51:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 6L6GC tube VERY VERY HOT Message-ID: The 6L6 and 5U4 tubes will normally run hot. What you want to look for is if the plate is glowing red.If it is don't use the amp until you find the problem. Usually leaky coupling caps but also a bad tube or shorted output transformer will cause it. A plate glowing red will damage the tube itself and could fry your output transformer.Has the amp been recapped? J.C. In a message dated 9/22/2008 9:24:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kklashley@yahoo.com writes: >I know I kind of asked this already but I pulled all my tubes from the amp and wiped the dirt off >them. When I turn the machine on you can smell them getting HOT. Then the smell goes away >and the one tube 6L6GC is EXTREMELY HOT like burn your finger to touch "I know I did it" Is this >normal. Its a wurlitzer model 532 amp. > Still working on my sound. Kevin _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From stezzariffic at yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 19:44:32 2008 From: stezzariffic at yahoo.com (Steve Gerlach) Date: Mon Sep 22 19:52:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay Message-ID: <693174.51642.qm@web46310.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Yes, Ron, I can see whole generations of kids being deafened by the things. Oh, and BTW, my STD2 has always been transported standing up, with the mechanism bolts firmly screwed down. Words of advice I've learnt off this list in the past however-many years. ;) Steve ----- Original Message ---- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, 23 September, 2008 12:27:44 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay Steve, All kidding aside--Make sure the kids keep those iPods turned low. My ear doctor says he is getting rich, because of them !! ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Steve Gerlach wrote: From: Steve Gerlach Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 7:14 PM Don't worry, Ron. I tried to kill off the neighbors with the noise... didn't work.. Plus, the kids prefer their ipods now :( I've moved the STD2 before by myself and a lift gate, but we now have polished floorboards and I want to make sure we "lift" the machine out and over the boards, not leaving any scratches. My biggest fear is that it will be parted out :( I've had it since 1986. Steve ----- Original Message ---- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, 23 September, 2008 11:58:40 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay Hey Steve, #1, Change the neighbours ! # 2, You Aussies ain't that weak---are you ? I have transported "millions" of STD2's onto and off a truck all by myself (well, and a lift gate). About 350 lbs---Just do not put it on a side, or it's back ! Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Steve Gerlach wrote: From: Steve Gerlach Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 6:40 PM G'day all, Just thought any Aussies on this list may be interested in my Entertainer which I've regretfully put online for sale (with a very heavy heart.) Check it out. The URL is too long, so do a search on Item number: 300260245681. Happy to answer any questions. Steve Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail From jay at west.net Mon Sep 22 20:06:34 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Sep 22 20:07:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 6L6GC tube VERY VERY HOT In-Reply-To: <878952.86524.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <878952.86524.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48D85D3A.9090900@west.net> Kevin Lashley wrote: > I know I kind of asked this already but I pulled all my tubes from the amp and wiped the dirt off them. When I turn the machine on you can smell them getting HOT. Then the smell goes away and the one tube 6L6GC is EXTREMELY HOT like burn your finger to touch "I know I did it" Is this normal. Its a wurlitzer model 532 amp. Power tubes will typically run hot to he touch. However, as others will no doubt point out, one major problem with all vintage amplifiers is leaky coupling capacitors. Tubes are designed to amplify the A-C audio signal. The D-C operating point of the tube is set with resistors and voltage sources. Coupling capacitors allow the A-C audio through and block the D-C from stage to stage. Older amplifiers used capacitors made of a sandwich of waxed paper and foil rolled into a cylinder. Over time, moisture gets into the capacitor and the wax and paper break down, allowing D-C current to "leak" across the capacitor. Even a small amount of D-C leakage upsets the operating point of the tube and causes it to consume far more power than it should, regardless of the volume of the signal. This causes overheating of the tubes and the (very expensive and hard to replace) output transformer. These capacitors should be replaced with modern equivalents made with plastic film instead of paper and sealed with epoxy instead of wax. Likewise, the resistors in the amplifier used to set the D-C operating point are made from a slug of carbon mixed with clay. These can change in value if overheated or with age and moisture. They should at least be checked and replaced if out of specification. The amplifier may play and even have reasonable volume for a while, but without being rebuilt it will fail soon, and repairs will be expensive. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Sep 22 20:02:50 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Sep 22 20:09:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay Message-ID: I hope the Aussies like 70s jukes more than they do in the US. I've been trying to sell a STD3 Sunstar for months and all I get are deadbeat callers. They call about the jukebox and never show up.It's such a shame no one wants it. It sounds great and I'm sure it will do some ear damage like those ipods if you crank it up and stand close to it.The problem is one reason I'm selling it is the reason every other American is trying to sell his toys. I need the money.But no one else has the money to buy it so I'm stuck.It seems if you ain't got a highly collectible juke to sell you can forget selling it in this country at least. J.C. In a message dated 9/22/2008 10:15:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, stezzariffic@yahoo.com writes: Don't worry, Ron. I tried to kill off the neighbors with the noise... didn't work. Plus, the kids prefer their ipods now :( I've moved the STD2 before by myself and a lift gate, but we now have polished floorboards and I want to make sure we "lift" the machine out and over the boards, not leaving any scratches. My biggest fear is that it will be parted out :( I've had it since 1986. Steve **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From jeffzurn at cox.net Mon Sep 22 20:30:56 2008 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Mon Sep 22 20:32:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay References: Message-ID: <000c01c91d2c$ca796650$bdd54109@ZURNT60> I suppose it depends, JC... I have a W3400 and W3100 waiting to be 'shopped' and they already have buyers! Neither are 'highly collectible'... but these 2 buyers find them personally desirable. I think that's the way it should be. Just my $.02 Jeff Zurn Arizona Jukebox Company ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay >I hope the Aussies like 70s jukes more than they do in the US. I've been > trying to sell a STD3 Sunstar for months and all I get are deadbeat > callers. > They call about the jukebox and never show up.It's such a shame no one > wants it. > It sounds great and I'm sure it will do some ear damage like those > ipods > if you crank it up and stand close to it.The problem is one reason I'm > selling it is the reason every other American is trying to sell his toys. > I need > the money.But no one else has the money to buy it so I'm stuck.It seems > if you > ain't got a highly collectible juke to sell you can forget selling it in > this > country at least. > > J.C. > > > In a message dated 9/22/2008 10:15:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > stezzariffic@yahoo.com writes: > > Don't worry, Ron. I tried to kill off the neighbors with the noise... > didn't > work. Plus, the kids prefer their ipods now :( > > I've moved the STD2 before by myself and a lift gate, but we now have > polished floorboards and I want to make sure we "lift" the machine out > and over the > boards, not leaving any scratches. > > My biggest fear is that it will be parted out :( > > I've had it since 1986. > > Steve > > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 22 20:59:34 2008 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Mon Sep 22 21:06:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller References: Message-ID: hi, how do I find the wurlitzer group? thank you, rick. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jjmscf@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller Can't wait to see the 1650 with the dome glass. BTW I received my ebay 1400 plastic pilaster and it is near perfect with only a couple of light scratches but no cracks which are so common on 1400 plastic pilasters. I'm a happy camper. A couple of people over on the Wurlitzer group have joked about not bidding it up if they knew it was me. I'm sure they're all jealous as it doesn't look like Ken Arnold will ever make any more and the plastic company Jimmy Day was talking to took one look at one and didn't want to undertake such a task. They're much more complicated to make than Seeburg C pilasters and a lot of other pilasters as the pattern is molded in.Glass pilasters from 1600 series jukes usually only break from abuse but other factors come into play in plastic pilasters as plastic breaks down from age and exposure to the sun,ultraviolet light from the flourescent lights,moisture,cold etc.They've been on backorder from Victory Glass for years now.One big factor is the low value and collectibility of a 1400 versus the cost of the replacement pilasters which was last priced at $400 a set so not enough of a demand.That reminds me to sign onto ebay and give the seller the positive feedback he deserves.We need more ebayers like these folks. J.C. In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:52:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: Ok, so does the purple light shine down on the redish grille? Where do you get the colored gels? I agree, the empty pilasters are strange, they could have done so much more there. Mel has designed a Light Stick that he has mounted in another juke that he says looks great. There is lots of room for animation in those pilasters, guess the 1650 was just designed to be cheaper to buy. It's certainly not the prettiest of Jukes but it has a place in my heart, not to mention Mel gave me a suped up Amp so the sound is terrific! I am so hoping with the Dome on, it will have that "finished" look. I will send pics Take care of your foot **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Mon Sep 22 21:23:46 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Sep 22 21:24:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D86F52.8070505@telus.net> Rick Force wrote: > hi, how do I find the wurlitzer group? thank you, rick. > Too late, you have already found us! John :-#)# (Deutsche Wurlitzer distributor since 1989) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jjmscf@aol.com > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller > > > Can't wait to see the 1650 with the dome glass. BTW I received my ebay 1400 > plastic pilaster and it is near perfect with only a couple of light > scratches but no cracks which are so common on 1400 plastic pilasters. I'm a happy > camper. A couple of people over on the Wurlitzer group have joked about not > bidding it up if they knew it was me. I'm sure they're all jealous as it doesn't > look like Ken Arnold will ever make any more and the plastic company Jimmy > Day was talking to took one look at one and didn't want to undertake such a > task. They're much more complicated to make than Seeburg C pilasters and a lot > of other pilasters as the pattern is molded in.Glass pilasters from 1600 > series jukes usually only break from abuse but other factors come into play in > plastic pilasters as plastic breaks down from age and exposure to the > sun,ultraviolet light from the flourescent lights,moisture,cold etc.They've been on > backorder from Victory Glass for years now.One big factor is the low value and > collectibility of a 1400 versus the cost of the replacement pilasters which > was last priced at $400 a set so not enough of a demand.That reminds me to sign > onto ebay and give the seller the positive feedback he deserves.We need more > ebayers like these folks. > > J.C. > > > In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:52:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > etreble7@verizon.net writes: > > Ok, so does the purple light shine down on the redish grille? Where do you > get the colored gels? I agree, the empty pilasters are strange, they could > have done so much more there. Mel has designed a Light Stick that he has > mounted in another juke that he says looks great. There is lots of room for > animation in those pilasters, guess the 1650 was just designed to be cheaper > to buy. It's certainly not the prettiest of Jukes but it has a place in my > heart, not to mention Mel gave me a suped up Amp so the sound is terrific! > > I am so hoping with the Dome on, it will have that "finished" look. I will > send pics Take care of your foot > > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jeffzurn at cox.net Mon Sep 22 21:31:45 2008 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Mon Sep 22 21:32:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller References: Message-ID: <000a01c91d35$496de1e0$bdd54109@ZURNT60> It's a Yahoo group. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Force" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller hi, how do I find the wurlitzer group? thank you, rick. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jjmscf@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller Can't wait to see the 1650 with the dome glass. BTW I received my ebay 1400 plastic pilaster and it is near perfect with only a couple of light scratches but no cracks which are so common on 1400 plastic pilasters. I'm a happy camper. A couple of people over on the Wurlitzer group have joked about not bidding it up if they knew it was me. I'm sure they're all jealous as it doesn't look like Ken Arnold will ever make any more and the plastic company Jimmy Day was talking to took one look at one and didn't want to undertake such a task. They're much more complicated to make than Seeburg C pilasters and a lot of other pilasters as the pattern is molded in.Glass pilasters from 1600 series jukes usually only break from abuse but other factors come into play in plastic pilasters as plastic breaks down from age and exposure to the sun,ultraviolet light from the flourescent lights,moisture,cold etc.They've been on backorder from Victory Glass for years now.One big factor is the low value and collectibility of a 1400 versus the cost of the replacement pilasters which was last priced at $400 a set so not enough of a demand.That reminds me to sign onto ebay and give the seller the positive feedback he deserves.We need more ebayers like these folks. J.C. In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:52:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: Ok, so does the purple light shine down on the redish grille? Where do you get the colored gels? I agree, the empty pilasters are strange, they could have done so much more there. Mel has designed a Light Stick that he has mounted in another juke that he says looks great. There is lots of room for animation in those pilasters, guess the 1650 was just designed to be cheaper to buy. It's certainly not the prettiest of Jukes but it has a place in my heart, not to mention Mel gave me a suped up Amp so the sound is terrific! I am so hoping with the Dome on, it will have that "finished" look. I will send pics Take care of your foot **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Sep 22 21:29:46 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Sep 22 21:37:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay Message-ID: Can't find jukebox buyers around here. Location matters I guess. I think as a private seller I have been hurt by a guy that used to only have his presence known when he had the occasional juke for sale advertising every week in the local Guide and Craiglist with warranteed Rowe/AMI jukeboxes and he even has a showroom. I'm selling the Seeburg for less than half of one of his 45 machines and can't move it. Believe me it has been shopped pretty thoroughly.Not a crack or crevice escaped my cleaning,the mech was rebuilt with new motor coupling and turntable bushings,all new bulbs,every electrolytic cap including the ones in the light sequencer are new,new needles,new foam everywhere and even a new paint job. Besides a Seeburg mech is much gentler on a 45 than a Rowe mech anyday.No swirl or scuff marks on any 45 in my Seeburgs unless they were previously used in a Rowe or Rockola.Some of those late model Rowe 45 machines are butt ugly next to a Sunstar or Entertainer.He must be moving some machines if he can afford a showroom and advertising.The sad thing is I got it on the cheap from him a year ago because he doesn't work on Seeburgs. If I can't move this one what are the chances of moving a PFEA1U or LPC480?I've got a pair of each of those taking up space waiting for me to "shop" them.The PFEA1U might have a chance of selling for something but a LPC480 is pretty ugly to me. I guess some people like them.They both sound good but both have nowhere near the power of the SHP3 amplifier in the Sunstar. Plus the Sunstar and 1 PFEA1U are in my house with no room to put them in the sheds and I can't get to my 1400 to work on it because of those 2 jukes. I can stand to sit on the others in the sheds forever if need be until the economy turns around if ever but nonkeepers in the house are in the way. There's no other furniture I can part with...lol.The living room has exactly 1 recliner chair and a sofa and 1 end table for my stereo system and the stereo system floor standing speakers.The rest is jukeboxes including my HSC1 which also doubles as the tv stand for my non wall mounted Plasma tv. J.C. In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:32:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jeffzurn@cox.net writes: suppose it depends, JC... I have a W3400 and W3100 waiting to be 'shopped' and they already have buyers! Neither are 'highly collectible'... but these 2 buyers find them personally desirable. I think that's the way it should be. Just my $.02 Jeff Zurn Arizona Jukebox Company **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Sep 23 01:43:07 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Sep 23 01:46:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 6L6GC tube VERY VERY HOT Message-ID: <20080923.044307.18213.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Hello Kevin: RE: your HOT 6L6 power output tubes. The tube is hot after being on for how many minutes? After about 5 minutes of operation with your W2204 in the play mode, the 2 6L6 tubes and the 5U4 (the other large tube) will feel hot to the touch. This is normal. It should not be so hot as to emit a burning smell. Also, when your record changer is in the "at rest" mode you will notice that the 5U4 tube filament (orange glow) shuts off. This shuts off the high voltage to the rest of the amplifier, but the other tube filaments are kept heated for a quick warm-up if someone punches in a selection. In the "at-rest" mode, the tubes will not get as hot as when in the play mode. Here's a couple of simple checks to make: Is one of the 2 6L6's hotter than the other? Does it look like the whole grid structure inside the tube is glowing orange instead of just the filament in the center? If yes, swap the two 6L6 tubes in their sockets. (Do this with the power off!!) Power the amp back up. Has the hotter-running tube moved to the other 6L6 socket, or is the tube you just exchanged now overheating? If the hotter-running tube has moved, that 6L6 is probably shorted and needs to be replaced. If the overheating problem stays with the tube in the #1 socket, you have a component failure within the amp (resistors, capacitors) that needs to be looked at. Don't continue to operate your amp in this condition, you can cause circuit damage. The last preventive thing that you should check would be the value of the amplifier fuse, to make sure the last owner didn't put in a larger value,incorrect fuse. Near the rear of the amp, should be 4 fuseholders. One of them is for the amp. I believe it is a 2 amp fuse. The chassis should be marked 2A next to the fuseholder. By giving the fusecap a 1/2 counterclockwise twist, you can remove the fuse. (Do this with the power off!!) Look at the value stamped on the metal end of the fuse. It should say 2A. If it has a bigger number (say 5A) this means that a 5 amp fuse has been installed. If this is the case,for safety's sake, replace the fuse with the right amperage. It would be a good idea to inspect all four fuses to make sure they are the right values. These are called 3AG size fuses, and they can be found at Radio Shack, Home Depot, Lowe's or most electronic parts stores. If there is a short circuit in your amp (caused by a tube or anything else), typically the fuse should blow before anything burns out. If you have the correct fuses in place, one 6L6 continues to overheat, plus you have the phono cartridge wiring errors you're working with, before going any further, I'd suggest that you get someone to help you diagnose the problems with the electronics. There are too many details/possibilities to direct you how to troubleshoot these issues in an email format. If you're going to attempt the repairs yourself, get the repair manual first. Possibly, you may have old, deteriorated capacitors in the amp that need to be replaced. Capacitors will go bad over time. The usual shelf life of capacitors is 15-20 years. A tell-tale sign is that some of the caps (under the chassis) will look cracked, burnt,leaky or moldy. If this is the case, the best thing to do is to is to take the holistic approach and have the amp re-capped. At that time, the servicer can check for other operational problems. This would be a good time to have the modification made to adapt your phono cartridge input circuit. It should be an inexpensive change if done at this point. Take care if you decide to inspect the wiring in your amp chassis. Turn the power off & pull the plug. There is high voltage (about 350 volts) present here. If you can send me a digital picture of your phono cartridge modification, (the tone arm) I should be able to tell you what you have and what you'll need to do to make the alternate cartridge work in your 2204. Kevin, at this point I'm out of simple suggestions advising you what to check. The next steps become more technical and involved. I don't want to ask you to do more than your technical prowess will allow. Regards, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Start a Web Site! Hosting for only $3.95/mo. Free setup! http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1241/?u=http://www.freeservers.com From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Sep 23 02:10:00 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Sep 23 02:12:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay Message-ID: <20080923.051000.18213.1@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I have the same situation here in the Atlanta, Ga area. I've got two shopped out 70's Seeburgs to sell (one STD-3 Sunstar and one SPS-160 Olympian) and I can only get cheap offers that don't begin to match the parts/labor commitment that it takes to make them presentable. I agree with you, the Seeburg machines of this era handle records better and have better sound quality than their Rowe and Rock Ola competitors. You tend to see lots of Rowe vinyl jukeboxes in this area, ranging from MM-4's to CT-1's, R-81, R-82 etc. These are very common here. Right now any of these, in average working condition are selling for about $250--top dollar. Because of the soft economy, nobody's got any disposable income to spend on "fun" stuff. The few that do have money want to exploit the situation. Regards, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for a free directory of employee development and training solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s28jYQGIOJHXMFU1hsCR9kBMfkigfZsfLWjrHrFQqTtLrFU/ From drjukebox at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 02:48:52 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Tue Sep 23 02:50:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay In-Reply-To: <20080923.051000.18213.1@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080923.051000.18213.1@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690809230248v77c9fef3ha7220da0d43f8272@mail.gmail.com> I'd say just the size of those monsters (STD3 and STD4) should scare most customers away. About the only jukeboxes that won't even fit into my Volvo station wagon! Jens On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:10 AM, James Alexander wrote: > > Gentlemen: > I have the same situation here in the Atlanta, Ga area. I've got two > shopped out 70's Seeburgs to sell (one STD-3 Sunstar and one SPS-160 > Olympian) and I can only get cheap offers that don't begin to match the > parts/labor commitment that it takes to make them presentable. > I agree with you, the Seeburg machines of this era handle records better > and have better sound quality than their Rowe and Rock Ola competitors. > You tend to see lots of Rowe vinyl jukeboxes in this area, ranging from > MM-4's to CT-1's, R-81, R-82 etc. These are very common here. Right now any > of these, in average working condition are selling for about $250--top > dollar. > Because of the soft economy, nobody's got any disposable income to spend on > "fun" stuff. The few that do have money want to exploit the situation. > Regards, > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here for a free directory of employee development and training > solutions. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s28jYQGIOJHXMFU1hsCR9kBMfkigfZsfLWjrHrFQqTtLrFU/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 23 03:24:34 2008 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Tue Sep 23 03:25:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller In-Reply-To: <48D86F52.8070505@telus.net> Message-ID: glad to be here! :) >From: John Robertson >Reply-To: pinball@telus.net,Jukebox mailing list > >To: Jukebox mailing list >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller >Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:23:46 -0700 > >Rick Force wrote: >>hi, how do I find the wurlitzer group? thank you, rick. >> > >Too late, you have already found us! > >John :-#)# >(Deutsche Wurlitzer distributor since 1989) >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >>Jjmscf@aol.com To: >>jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 22, >>2008 6:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller >> >> >> Can't wait to see the 1650 with the dome glass. BTW I received my >>ebay 1400 plastic pilaster and it is near perfect with only a couple of >>light scratches but no cracks which are so common on 1400 plastic >>pilasters. I'm a happy camper. A couple of people over on the Wurlitzer >>group have joked about not bidding it up if they knew it was me. I'm >>sure they're all jealous as it doesn't look like Ken Arnold will ever >>make any more and the plastic company Jimmy Day was talking to took one >>look at one and didn't want to undertake such a task. They're much more >>complicated to make than Seeburg C pilasters and a lot of other >>pilasters as the pattern is molded in.Glass pilasters from 1600 series >>jukes usually only break from abuse but other factors come into play in >>plastic pilasters as plastic breaks down from age and exposure to the >>sun,ultraviolet light from the flourescent lights,moisture,cold >>etc.They've been on backorder from Victory Glass for years now.One big >>factor is the low value and collectibility of a 1400 versus the cost of >>the replacement pilasters which was last priced at $400 a set so not >>enough of a demand.That reminds me to sign onto ebay and give the >>seller the positive feedback he deserves.We need more ebayers like >>these folks. >> J.C. >> In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:52:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> etreble7@verizon.net writes: >> >> Ok, so does the purple light shine down on the redish grille? Where >>do you get the colored gels? I agree, the empty pilasters are strange, >>they could have done so much more there. Mel has designed a Light >>Stick that he has mounted in another juke that he says looks great. >>There is lots of room for animation in those pilasters, guess the 1650 >>was just designed to be cheaper to buy. It's certainly not the >>prettiest of Jukes but it has a place in my heart, not to mention Mel >>gave me a suped up Amp so the sound is terrific! >> >> I am so hoping with the Dome on, it will have that "finished" look. I >>will send pics Take care of your foot >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial >> challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, >>tips and calculators. >>(http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> >>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>_______________________________________________ >>Jukebox-list mailing list >>Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > > >-- >John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call >(604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip >out" > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 23 03:25:53 2008 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Tue Sep 23 03:27:09 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller In-Reply-To: <000a01c91d35$496de1e0$bdd54109@ZURNT60> Message-ID: thanks jeff, rick >From: "Jeff Zurn" >Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list >To: "Jukebox mailing list" >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller >Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:31:45 -0700 > >It's a Yahoo group. > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Force" >To: "Jukebox mailing list" >Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:59 PM >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller > > >hi, how do I find the wurlitzer group? thank you, rick. > ----- Original Message ----- From: Jjmscf@aol.com > To: >jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Another "honest" seller > > > Can't wait to see the 1650 with the dome glass. BTW I received my ebay >1400 > plastic pilaster and it is near perfect with only a couple of light > scratches but no cracks which are so common on 1400 plastic pilasters. >I'm a happy > camper. A couple of people over on the Wurlitzer group have joked about >not > bidding it up if they knew it was me. I'm sure they're all jealous as it >doesn't > look like Ken Arnold will ever make any more and the plastic company >Jimmy > Day was talking to took one look at one and didn't want to undertake such >a > task. They're much more complicated to make than Seeburg C pilasters and >a lot > of other pilasters as the pattern is molded in.Glass pilasters from 1600 > series jukes usually only break from abuse but other factors come into >play in > plastic pilasters as plastic breaks down from age and exposure to the > sun,ultraviolet light from the flourescent lights,moisture,cold >etc.They've been on > backorder from Victory Glass for years now.One big factor is the low >value and > collectibility of a 1400 versus the cost of the replacement pilasters >which > was last priced at $400 a set so not enough of a demand.That reminds me >to sign > onto ebay and give the seller the positive feedback he deserves.We need >more > ebayers like these folks. > > J.C. > > > In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:52:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > etreble7@verizon.net writes: > > Ok, so does the purple light shine down on the redish grille? Where do >you > get the colored gels? I agree, the empty pilasters are strange, they >could > have done so much more there. Mel has designed a Light Stick that he >has > mounted in another juke that he says looks great. There is lots of room >for > animation in those pilasters, guess the 1650 was just designed to be >cheaper > to buy. It's certainly not the prettiest of Jukes but it has a place in >my > heart, not to mention Mel gave me a suped up Amp so the sound is >terrific! > > I am so hoping with the Dome on, it will have that "finished" look. I >will > send pics Take care of your foot > > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, >tips and > calculators. >(http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 04:41:34 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 23 04:42:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay In-Reply-To: <693174.51642.qm@web46310.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <37629.8143.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Steve, IMHO, one should never tighten the base bolts down, unless you install the blocks, AND the two screws, as that puts to much pressure on the base, and springs. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Steve Gerlach wrote: From: Steve Gerlach Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 7:44 PM Yes, Ron, I can see whole generations of kids being deafened by the things. Oh, and BTW, my STD2 has always been transported standing up, with the mechanism bolts firmly screwed down. Words of advice I've learnt off this list in the past however-many years. ;) Steve ----- Original Message ---- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, 23 September, 2008 12:27:44 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay Steve, All kidding aside--Make sure the kids keep those iPods turned low. My ear doctor says he is getting rich, because of them !! ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Steve Gerlach wrote: From: Steve Gerlach Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 7:14 PM Don't worry, Ron. I tried to kill off the neighbors with the noise... didn't work.. Plus, the kids prefer their ipods now :( I've moved the STD2 before by myself and a lift gate, but we now have polished floorboards and I want to make sure we "lift" the machine out and over the boards, not leaving any scratches. My biggest fear is that it will be parted out :( I've had it since 1986. Steve ----- Original Message ---- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, 23 September, 2008 11:58:40 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay Hey Steve, #1, Change the neighbours ! # 2, You Aussies ain't that weak---are you ? I have transported "millions" of STD2's onto and off a truck all by myself (well, and a lift gate). About 350 lbs---Just do not put it on a side, or it's back ! Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Steve Gerlach wrote: From: Steve Gerlach Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 6:40 PM G'day all, Just thought any Aussies on this list may be interested in my Entertainer which I've regretfully put online for sale (with a very heavy heart.) Check it out. The URL is too long, so do a search on Item number: 300260245681. Happy to answer any questions. Steve Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 04:45:10 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 23 04:46:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <649972.75368.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I? can attest to the fact that it will harm your ears--mine are shot after years of listening to them at "full blast"-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 8:02 PM I hope the Aussies like 70s jukes more than they do in the US. I've been trying to sell a STD3 Sunstar for months and all I get are deadbeat callers. They call about the jukebox and never show up.It's such a shame no one wants it. It sounds great and I'm sure it will do some ear damage like those ipods if you crank it up and stand close to it.The problem is one reason I'm selling it is the reason every other American is trying to sell his toys. I need the money.But no one else has the money to buy it so I'm stuck.It seems if you ain't got a highly collectible juke to sell you can forget selling it in this country at least. J.C. In a message dated 9/22/2008 10:15:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, stezzariffic@yahoo.com writes: Don't worry, Ron. I tried to kill off the neighbors with the noise... didn't work. Plus, the kids prefer their ipods now :( I've moved the STD2 before by myself and a lift gate, but we now have polished floorboards and I want to make sure we "lift" the machine out and over the boards, not leaving any scratches. My biggest fear is that it will be parted out :( I've had it since 1986. Steve **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ddedic at earthlink.net Mon Sep 22 18:55:25 2008 From: ddedic at earthlink.net (dale dedic) Date: Tue Sep 23 04:49:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet References: <168724.10779.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <65FF8DFC9C0D411EAF5D023238D7822C@Enevoldsen> DO YOU KNOW WHAT YEAR THEY WERE MADE. THANKS DALE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet Dale, It's not a "Pepsi" machine--it's a Rock ola can vendor, or bottle vendor, with a "Pepsi paint job". They sold them to all company's making soft drinks--including "Coke", Dr Pepper, and others. They also made them without a "name" on them--Just said "cold drinks". Ron Rich --- On Mon, 9/22/08, dale dedic wrote: From: dale dedic Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet To: david_breneman@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 12:21 PM I have a Rock-Ola Pepsi machine probably made in the 1970's. Only one I have ever seen. Any one else seen one? Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Liquor cabinet > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08, User wrote: > >> I have a Rock-Ola liquor cabinet to dispose of. Presumably >> made during WW2 >> when no metal was available for civilian projects, it stand >> on 4 tall legs. >> 2 door on the front and the top lid opens. Dark finish. > > > I can't answer your question, but I'd love to see a few > pictures of this thing. What didn't Rock-Ola make during > the war? My brother has a Rock-Ola M-1 carbine. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kklashley at yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 07:07:37 2008 From: kklashley at yahoo.com (Kevin Lashley) Date: Tue Sep 23 07:08:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2204 hot tubes UPDATE Message-ID: <936389.54063.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you all for the advice!!!! ?Questions from Jim Alexander (Thank you Jim for all your help) Is one of the 2 6L6's hotter than the other? YES top tube closet to rear of AMP Does it look like the whole grid structure inside the tube is glowing orange instead of just the filament in the center? NO just the two filaments. It would be a good idea to inspect all four fuses to make sure they are the right values. checked all fuses good values installed. I'd suggest that you get someone to help you diagnose the problems with the electronics. Who would you recommend to look at the amp and repair? I switched 6l6 tubes and played a record. Still distorted sound. After about 30 seconds the tube on top closet to rear would burn your finger to touch. Canceled record. Tube 5u4 shut off as Jim said. Others were cooler but still very hot. I pulled amp from machine and inspected capacitors. Didn't see any cracks. Some wires were covered with white stuff. Other wire insulations were dry and cracked. I am going to send the amp off and have it reworked. What should this cost? Also am going to have single mono plug (which was loose from inside) converted to stereo. What is a acceptable cleaning spray and lubrication for moving parts on carosel? Want to give it a good cleaning. My service manual should be here today, I hope. Kevin From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Sep 23 07:13:49 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Sep 23 07:15:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay References: <000c01c91d2c$ca796650$bdd54109@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <79DE077E0F8241CABE308C852939D8F1@home1903> Hi Jeff, I forgot you had a 3410 at your shop, I have a few spare parts that some jerk sent me by mistake, rather than the parts I paid and asked for. You can email me off list if you want me to dig them out from under my bed, lol What a good husband I have, lol Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Zurn" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay >I suppose it depends, JC... > I have a W3400 and W3100 waiting to be 'shopped' and they already have > buyers! > Neither are 'highly collectible'... but these 2 buyers find them > personally desirable. > I think that's the way it should be. > > Just my $.02 > > Jeff Zurn > Arizona Jukebox Company > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay > > >>I hope the Aussies like 70s jukes more than they do in the US. I've been >> trying to sell a STD3 Sunstar for months and all I get are deadbeat >> callers. >> They call about the jukebox and never show up.It's such a shame no one >> wants it. >> It sounds great and I'm sure it will do some ear damage like those >> ipods >> if you crank it up and stand close to it.The problem is one reason I'm >> selling it is the reason every other American is trying to sell his >> toys. I need >> the money.But no one else has the money to buy it so I'm stuck.It seems >> if you >> ain't got a highly collectible juke to sell you can forget selling it in >> this >> country at least. >> >> J.C. >> >> >> In a message dated 9/22/2008 10:15:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> stezzariffic@yahoo.com writes: >> >> Don't worry, Ron. I tried to kill off the neighbors with the noise... >> didn't >> work. Plus, the kids prefer their ipods now :( >> >> I've moved the STD2 before by myself and a lift gate, but we now have >> polished floorboards and I want to make sure we "lift" the machine out >> and over the >> boards, not leaving any scratches. >> >> My biggest fear is that it will be parted out :( >> >> I've had it since 1986. >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial >> challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, >> tips and >> calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Sep 23 07:11:53 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Sep 23 08:16:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay References: Message-ID: JC from one juke lover to another....you need to ditch the couch!! lol.....that will free up about 8ft!! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay > Can't find jukebox buyers around here. Location matters I guess. I think > as > a private seller I have been hurt by a guy that used to only have his > presence > known when he had the occasional juke for sale advertising every week in > the > local Guide and Craiglist with warranteed Rowe/AMI jukeboxes and he even > has > a showroom. I'm selling the Seeburg for less than half of one of his 45 > machines and can't move it. Believe me it has been shopped pretty > thoroughly.Not > a crack or crevice escaped my cleaning,the mech was rebuilt with new > motor > coupling and turntable bushings,all new bulbs,every electrolytic cap > including > the ones in the light sequencer are new,new needles,new foam everywhere > and > even a new paint job. > > Besides a Seeburg mech is much gentler on a 45 than a Rowe mech anyday.No > swirl or scuff marks on any 45 in my Seeburgs unless they were > previously > used in a Rowe or Rockola.Some of those late model Rowe 45 machines are > butt > ugly next to a Sunstar or Entertainer.He must be moving some machines if > he can > afford a showroom and advertising.The sad thing is I got it on the cheap > from > him a year ago because he doesn't work on Seeburgs. > > If I can't move this one what are the chances of moving a PFEA1U or > LPC480?I've got a pair of each of those taking up space waiting for me to > "shop" > them.The PFEA1U might have a chance of selling for something but a LPC480 > is > pretty ugly to me. I guess some people like them.They both sound good but > both > have nowhere near the power of the SHP3 amplifier in the Sunstar. > > Plus the Sunstar and 1 PFEA1U are in my house with no room to put them in > the sheds and I can't get to my 1400 to work on it because of those 2 > jukes. I > can stand to sit on the others in the sheds forever if need be until the > economy turns around if ever but nonkeepers in the house are in the way. > There's > no other furniture I can part with...lol.The living room has exactly 1 > recliner chair and a sofa and 1 end table for my stereo system and the > stereo system > floor standing speakers.The rest is jukeboxes including my HSC1 which also > doubles as the tv stand for my non wall mounted Plasma tv. > > J.C. > > > In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:32:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > jeffzurn@cox.net writes: > > suppose it depends, JC... > I have a W3400 and W3100 waiting to be 'shopped' and they already have > buyers! > Neither are 'highly collectible'... but these 2 buyers find them > personally > desirable. > I think that's the way it should be. > > Just my $.02 > > Jeff Zurn > Arizona Jukebox Company > > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From stamann at jukebox-world.de Tue Sep 23 10:02:19 2008 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Tue Sep 23 10:03:40 2008 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer star speaker... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Justin, I'll ask my friend if he can make a close-up picture of his early 4000 speaker. Especially of the lamp sockets and brackets. >From the serial number it's an early version. Can we add that number to the data base? Kind regards - Oliver -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Justin S. Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. September 2008 02:14 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer star speaker... Hello Oliver and also Jens, Thank you so much Oliver for the link to the photos. That answered my biggest question. So from your pics, my latest speaker is the early design. The serial is 1361787. The wood frame is much thicker and heavier than on the later versions. That's the real determining characteristic. Looking at the wooden ring, there are holes exactly where the lights should be on the early version, but nothing has ever been there. no evidence of screws or nuts or anything making contact at these spots so thinking this speaker never had lights. I know I've had these speakers w/o lights before. It would be great to have a set of sockets to install. Oliver, do you have a closer picture of the earlier type of socket. Thanks. Justin _____________________________ Hello Justin, maybe you can check if there are any holes on the wood ring where the lamp sockets are usually attached. Here are pictures of both versions shown from the back: www.jukebox-world.de/forum/bilder/Wurlitzer/4000-early-late.jpg Kind regards - Oliver From jayoldschool at hotmail.com Tue Sep 23 11:03:21 2008 From: jayoldschool at hotmail.com (jason w) Date: Tue Sep 23 11:04:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My quest to find a Seeburg M100A In-Reply-To: <20080912190003.8B9E8AAE86@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20080912190003.8B9E8AAE86@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/SEEBURG-A-JUKEBOX_W0QQitemZ180292366093QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item180292366093&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 The ever-elusive 100A still on 78s! Jason. _________________________________________________________________ From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 23 12:13:35 2008 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Tue Sep 23 12:14:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer star speaker... Message-ID: Hello Oliver, Thank you so much for your help; sure you can add the number to your database. Many "medium base" brass light sockets are still available here in the US. Shouldn't be too hard to fabricate brackets if i have a good photo. Thanks again and regards, Justin Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:02:19 +0200 From: Stamann Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer star speaker... To: "Jukebox mailing list" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Justin, I'll ask my friend if he can make a close-up picture of his early 4000 speaker. Especially of the lamp sockets and brackets. >From the serial number it's an early version. Can we add that number to the data base? Kind regards - Oliver _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 13:00:13 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Tue Sep 23 13:01:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg A 78/45 RPM Conversion Message-ID: <634184.97379.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Here are some parts that were sold as a kit. There is obviously parts missing. I think I have some gear sets somewhere but this is what I found today. These must be to convert to 45 RPM because some are still sealed. Have Fun! David From Jjmscf at aol.com Tue Sep 23 16:11:46 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Sep 23 16:19:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay Message-ID: Nah. I use it to keep dome glasses safe out of the floor when I got a juke tore completely apart for cabinet work and repainting/refinishing..lol. J.C. In a message dated 9/23/2008 11:17:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: JC from one juke lover to another....you need to ditch the couch!! lol.....that will free up about 8ft!! Jackie **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Sep 23 16:37:33 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Sep 23 16:40:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2204 hot tubes UPDATE Message-ID: <20080923.193733.7255.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Hello Kevin: In answer to the tech conclusions you posed in this letter: 1. It's good safety procedure that you verified the values of all the fuses in your machine to make sure the circuits are not overfused. The various prices you've asked for are highlighted in bold. These are typical average prices and are set by the vendor you choose to do business with. 2. Even after you swapped the 2 6L6 tubes, the one closest to the rear of the chassis runs hotter than the other. This means that you have a circuit failure affecting that particular tube. The failure is making the tube draw too much current,causing it to run hot. The cause of this can be off-value resistors or capacitors (normally not expensive parts) or at worst case it could be an output transformer with a shorted primary coil (an expensive part) Depending upon how long the amp has been operated in this decrepit condition, it may have weakened the 6L6 tubes. Normally they should be changed as a pair. ( A pair of new 6L6 tubes will cost approx $25-35 for the pair.) Testing yours on a mutual conductance tube checker will answer that question. 3. Can't tell enough from your description whether or not your amp has been re-capped at some point in it's life. If it hasn't and it's 50+ years old, it should be. The white stuff you've seen accumulating on the wiring in your amp sounds like it's either mold or burnt insulation. The average cost to re-cap an amp like this runs about $150--$225, assuming no other major parts(i.e. tubes, transformers,sockets,etc) are needed. This price includes the capacitor kit (change out all capacitors on the chassis) and any resistors that might need replacement. (resistors don't deteriorate with age) The can-style filter capacitors aren't being made anymore. These will be replaced with tubular style caps below the chassis. This price will buy you the electronic re-hab job for your amp. It will not include a cosmetic re-hab of the amp (i.e. remove rust from transformers, painting, silk-screening,etc) should you need it. Kevin,You didn't mention where you are located. I can recommend any of several high quality repair services around the US that can re-work your amp. Since the chassis is heavy (to be economical on shipping) I wanted to recommend a servicer that's near you. I can also put in a shameless plug for my repair service (Coin Computers) if you are located near Atlanta Ga. Please contact me off the list if you want to pursue this further. 4. Last but not least, the input circuit should be modified at this time to accept a modern stereo phono cartridge. This is not an expensive job (about $25) but there are several types of cartridges that require diffrent circuit modifications. If the cartridge, tone arm and wiring that you have on your juke is really messed up, you can buy a used stereo tone arm from a later model carousel changer that will have new wires, a ceramic or magnetic element cartridge. this will be a fairly simple bolt-on change.When you bolt the arm onto the mech, you'll need to balance the arm and adjust the tracking weight. Your service book will show you how to do this. If you can send me a picture of your tone arm I can ID what you have and see whether it's worth re using. The later W stereo tone arms are either white or light blue in color--you'll probably want to paint the new arm gold to match your 2204 color scheme. All the one arm parts and a cartridge will cost approx $50-60. I probably have these items on hand. 5. Cleaning and lube-- Your service manual will give you the points of lubrication for your record changer. typically, you will need to have a "zoom spout oiler" (plastic oil can with 20 weight oil for bearings,etc) and you will need a tube (toothpaste size tube) of Lithium grease or Lubriplate brand grease. The lithium is touted as a better modern day replacement for Lubriplate. Normally, a home jukebox should be cleaned and lubed once every 5 years. To clean switch contacts and controls, I recommend that you buy a spray can of Caig De-Oxit. This cleaner is superior to other "tuner cleaners" in that it doesn't leave an oil based residue which attracts more dust and dirt. You can find these items at mail order jukebox parts distributors (i.e. Victory Glass, A-1, etc) or at most electronic parts wholesalers. I've cleaned mechanisms using 409 cleaner and shop towels. You may need to use a de greaser if the changer steel has a bad greasy build up. On the silver record basket rim, don't use 409 cleaner. Use Windex instead. The 409 is too strong may lift off the black and red paint markings that show the record numbers. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander email: jalexandercc@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Click to book your dream cruise. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uHUslWyLfgWTMLbzzj7mMEghFzutB0ifjD5d10mlgIANh1c/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 17:09:13 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Sep 23 17:10:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg A 78/45 RPM Conversion In-Reply-To: <634184.97379.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <296771.71202.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 9/23/08, david wendell wrote: > Here are some parts that were sold as a kit. There is > obviously parts missing. I think I have some gear sets > somewhere but this is what I found today. These must be to > convert to 45 RPM because some are still sealed. Have Fun! Is that disk-shaped thing with the 5 holes in it a gear, or a pulley, or something else? Is the thing at 9:00 in the picture the transfer arm or part of the tone arm? I really don't recognize much of anything there. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 18:45:12 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Sep 23 18:46:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <149537.31267.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> JC, ? Duh--ain't you got no kitchen sink ?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/23/08, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Aussie Seeburg Entertainer STD2 on eBay To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 4:11 PM Nah. I use it to keep dome glasses safe out of the floor when I got a juke tore completely apart for cabinet work and repainting/refinishing..lol. J.C. In a message dated 9/23/2008 11:17:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: JC from one juke lover to another....you need to ditch the couch!! lol.....that will free up about 8ft!! Jackie **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Tue Sep 23 20:00:01 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Sep 23 20:01:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg A 78/45 RPM Conversion In-Reply-To: <296771.71202.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <296771.71202.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48D9AD31.1060705@telus.net> David Breneman wrote: > --- On Tue, 9/23/08, david wendell wrote: > > > >> Here are some parts that were sold as a kit. There is >> obviously parts missing. I think I have some gear sets >> somewhere but this is what I found today. These must be to >> convert to 45 RPM because some are still sealed. Have Fun! >> > > Is that disk-shaped thing with the 5 holes in it a gear, > or a pulley, or something else? Is the thing at 9:00 > in the picture the transfer arm or part of the tone arm? > I really don't recognize much of anything there. > > > That little wheel is part of the modified trip mechanism. Less pressure allowed to trip 45s due to the lighter pressings... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From dodgie2 at optusnet.com.au Tue Sep 23 17:42:20 2008 From: dodgie2 at optusnet.com.au (david o'grady) Date: Wed Sep 24 04:03:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] An honest aussie buyer Message-ID: <005701c91dde$679011d0$0300a8c0@Familycomputer> I answered a listing from MrJC. Jjmscf@aol.com) regarding his wurly 1800 parts box that he was offering to the list members ,before e-baying them. I was interested in the coin gear, he promptly answered with a fair price. After realizing he had a lot of interest in it. he submitted a post to the news group asking people what they thought it would be worth. saying he did`nt want to undercut himself. Myself I think this is another greedy member trying to rip-off other members. I have sent a number of emails since, without any replies. Therefore I assume he must have got a better price. I don't feel this is fair. and im not a happy camper. Thank-you regards David O`Grady From etreble7 at verizon.net Wed Sep 24 05:02:24 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Wed Sep 24 05:03:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list]JC list member Honest Seller References: <005701c91dde$679011d0$0300a8c0@Familycomputer> Message-ID: <99A9C4848CF84C75AA00CC28C0D51765@home1903> I can only speak for myself, I have received items from JC for agreed upon price, and after checking other places for the same part, he was most reasonable. They were mailed to me promptly and he has always answered his email unless his job had extended his hours (especially all summer). I might add another thing, he has also sent me small items for free, things that I broke or were missing. Never asking for a penny. It saddens me to hear this negative opinion up on the Forum, I think he is an outstandng buyer/seller. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "david o'grady" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] An honest aussie buyer I answered a listing from MrJC. Jjmscf@aol.com) regarding his wurly 1800 parts box that he was offering to the list members ,before e-baying them. I was interested in the coin gear, he promptly answered with a fair price. After realizing he had a lot of interest in it. he submitted a post to the news group asking people what they thought it would be worth. saying he did`nt want to undercut himself. Myself I think this is another greedy member trying to rip-off other members. I have sent a number of emails since, without any replies. Therefore I assume he must have got a better price. I don't feel this is fair. and im not a happy camper. Thank-you regards David O`Grady _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 05:12:14 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Wed Sep 24 05:13:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list]JC list member Honest Seller In-Reply-To: <99A9C4848CF84C75AA00CC28C0D51765@home1903> References: <005701c91dde$679011d0$0300a8c0@Familycomputer> <99A9C4848CF84C75AA00CC28C0D51765@home1903> Message-ID: <3154d3690809240512u314693a3o58658a417d82f581@mail.gmail.com> A good reason why selling/buying is best done in other forums than a mailing list. When there is a disagreement, please keep it off the list. Jens On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:02 PM, etreble7 wrote: > I can only speak for myself, I have received items from JC for agreed upon > price, and after checking other places for the same part, he was most > reasonable. They were mailed to me promptly and he has always answered his > email unless his job had extended his hours (especially all summer). I > might add another thing, he has also sent me small items for free, things > that I broke or were missing. Never asking for a penny. > > It saddens me to hear this negative opinion up on the Forum, I think he is > an outstandng buyer/seller. > Jackie > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "david o'grady" < > dodgie2@optusnet.com.au> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:42 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] An honest aussie buyer > > > I answered a listing from MrJC. Jjmscf@aol.com) > regarding his wurly 1800 parts box that he was offering to the list members > ,before e-baying them. I was interested in the coin gear, he promptly > answered with a fair price. > After realizing he had a lot of interest in it. > he submitted a post to the news group asking people what they thought it > would be worth. > saying he did`nt want to undercut himself. > Myself I think this is another greedy member > trying to rip-off other members. > I have sent a number of emails since, without any replies. > Therefore I assume he must have got a better price. > I don't feel this is fair. and im not a happy camper. > Thank-you regards David O`Grady > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From berrycbell at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 06:40:00 2008 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Wed Sep 24 06:41:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list]JC list member Honest Seller In-Reply-To: <99A9C4848CF84C75AA00CC28C0D51765@home1903> References: <005701c91dde$679011d0$0300a8c0@Familycomputer> <99A9C4848CF84C75AA00CC28C0D51765@home1903> Message-ID: Hello, For what it's worth, I also contacted him and never got a single reply. If he had already sold it, that would be fine, I understand that. But, to not answer at all was a little discouraging. Berry Bell Elgin, IL On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:02 AM, etreble7 wrote: > I can only speak for myself, I have received items from JC for agreed upon > price, and after checking other places for the same part, he was most > reasonable. They were mailed to me promptly and he has always answered his > email unless his job had extended his hours (especially all summer). I > might add another thing, he has also sent me small items for free, things > that I broke or were missing. Never asking for a penny. > > It saddens me to hear this negative opinion up on the Forum, I think he is > an outstandng buyer/seller. > Jackie > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "david o'grady" < > dodgie2@optusnet.com.au> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:42 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] An honest aussie buyer > > > I answered a listing from MrJC. Jjmscf@aol.com) > regarding his wurly 1800 parts box that he was offering to the list members > ,before e-baying them. I was interested in the coin gear, he promptly > answered with a fair price. > After realizing he had a lot of interest in it. > he submitted a post to the news group asking people what they thought it > would be worth. > saying he did`nt want to undercut himself. > Myself I think this is another greedy member > trying to rip-off other members. > I have sent a number of emails since, without any replies. > Therefore I assume he must have got a better price. > I don't feel this is fair. and im not a happy camper. > Thank-you regards David O`Grady > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 06:57:42 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 24 06:58:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list]JC list member Honest Seller In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <407297.41864.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Sometimes the "web" works in strange ways--I got all the "answers" to this post ysterday--took till now to get the original--You might just want to wait a day or two before you write something so negative?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Berry Bell wrote: From: Berry Bell Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list]JC list member Honest Seller To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 6:40 AM Hello, For what it's worth, I also contacted him and never got a single reply. If he had already sold it, that would be fine, I understand that. But, to not answer at all was a little discouraging. Berry Bell Elgin, IL On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:02 AM, etreble7 wrote: > I can only speak for myself, I have received items from JC for agreed upon > price, and after checking other places for the same part, he was most > reasonable. They were mailed to me promptly and he has always answered his > email unless his job had extended his hours (especially all summer). I > might add another thing, he has also sent me small items for free, things > that I broke or were missing. Never asking for a penny. > > It saddens me to hear this negative opinion up on the Forum, I think he is > an outstandng buyer/seller. > Jackie > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "david o'grady" < > dodgie2@optusnet.com.au> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:42 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] An honest aussie buyer > > > I answered a listing from MrJC. Jjmscf@aol.com) > regarding his wurly 1800 parts box that he was offering to the list members > ,before e-baying them. I was interested in the coin gear, he promptly > answered with a fair price. > After realizing he had a lot of interest in it. > he submitted a post to the news group asking people what they thought it > would be worth. > saying he did`nt want to undercut himself. > Myself I think this is another greedy member > trying to rip-off other members. > I have sent a number of emails since, without any replies. > Therefore I assume he must have got a better price. > I don't feel this is fair. and im not a happy camper. > Thank-you regards David O`Grady > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Wed Sep 24 08:49:45 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Wed Sep 24 08:57:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list]JC list member Honest Seller Message-ID: Ok. I should have replied but I realized I opened my big mouth too soon therefore putting my foot in it I guess before I did any research on the part when I searched for 1800 coin gear on ebay and could find none.In fact no Wurlitzer coin gear except pricy 40s Wurlitzer coin gear. I googled and found out that era coin gear is unique to the model of machine and might be worth a tad more than $100.It is very much cleaner inside than the amp and everything moves freely. Is it greed not wanting to sell something for much less than it's worth if it's rare? Call Bill Butterfield or Durfee and see what some of the parts sell for?I know .I've paid their prices when I had no other choice than to do without.Besides I was contacted by Nimko before anyone else and haven't finished tearing the machine down and cleaning the dirt off the parts to send him pictures.He's interested in everything except the amp which was sold to another member. I work long hours 6 days a week and have very little spare time plus I've been sick with a nasty cold I caught because of my job. A little kid with a cold got right under me and sneezed while I was hanging a Plasma tv. J.C. In a message dated 9/24/2008 9:59:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: Sometimes the "web" works in strange ways--I got all the "answers" to this post ysterday--took till now to get the original--You might just want to wait a day or two before you write something so negative?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Berry Bell wrote: From: Berry Bell Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list]JC list member Honest Seller To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 6:40 AM Hello, For what it's worth, I also contacted him and never got a single reply. If he had already sold it, that would be fine, I understand that. But, to not answer at all was a little discouraging. Berry Bell Elgin, IL On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:02 AM, etreble7 wrote: > I can only speak for myself, I have received items from JC for agreed upon > price, and after checking other places for the same part, he was most > reasonable. They were mailed to me promptly and he has always answered his > email unless his job had extended his hours (especially all summer). I > might add another thing, he has also sent me small items for free, things > that I broke or were missing. Never asking for a penny. > > It saddens me to hear this negative opinion up on the Forum, I think he is > an outstandng buyer/seller. > Jackie > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "david o'grady" < > dodgie2@optusnet.com.au> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:42 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] An honest aussie buyer > > > I answered a listing from MrJC. Jjmscf@aol.com) > regarding his wurly 1800 parts box that he was offering to the list members > ,before e-baying them. I was interested in the coin gear, he promptly > answered with a fair price. > After realizing he had a lot of interest in it. > he submitted a post to the news group asking people what they thought it > would be worth. > saying he did`nt want to undercut himself. > Myself I think this is another greedy member > trying to rip-off other members. > I have sent a number of emails since, without any replies. > Therefore I assume he must have got a better price. > I don't feel this is fair. and im not a happy camper. > Thank-you regards David O`Grady > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Wed Sep 24 09:10:00 2008 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Wed Sep 24 10:12:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] JC list member Honest Seller Message-ID: Hi All! I have to agree with you guy's (and Jackie). J.C. is a fine businessman and VERY trustworthy. The OP might want to check their spam folder, because J.C. has always replied to me in a timely manner. The purpose of this list is for a community or jukers to converse, we're here to help each other and promote the hobby (obsession), not to trash talk because someone has a gripe.... Get over it!! From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 24 12:53:41 2008 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Wed Sep 24 12:54:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Miracle medicine Message-ID: <97078.79930.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> J.C. sez: "I've been sick with a nasty cold I caught because of my job. A little kid with a cold got right under me and sneezed while I was hanging a Plasma tv." OK, this is not related to jukes but I want to share a tip especially since we are entering flu season. I have had incredible luck in staving off colds and flu for the past couple of years by religiously taking a product called "Airborne" at the first sign of symptoms. You can buy knock-off versions of this stuff (Walgreens, Wal-Mart, etc.) for about $4-$5. For me it is money well spent. My wife is a Chicago public school teacher and thus brings home every bug her little ones bring to school. Thanks to "Airborne" I have not had a cold for over two years. YMMV! Bob - Chicago From Jjmscf at aol.com Wed Sep 24 15:05:22 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Wed Sep 24 15:12:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Miracle medicine Message-ID: Good to know.Its a little late for this cold.This is day 11 and counting. The nasal congestion and constant nose blowing is gone but now I'm getting plegm in my throat and it's nasty.Most evenings since I've had it after I drag myself through a day of work I take Benadryl and zone out in front of the tv.Still getting a headache every day. I had staved off colds for 2 years by taking antiiseptic handwipes along in my work van and whenever I went to someones's house with any sign of cold symptoms or their children were home sick I went out to the van after I got out of the house and wiped my hands,all of my tools and my ink pen and the door handle.It's especially scary when you go to work in someone's home and little ones are home with the stomach bug.I don't trust the wipes 100% and also spray with an electrical parts cleaner spray that we have that smells like alcohol. I am very careful to not put my hands near my face while in their home. Those viruses can live for 3 hours on objects such as door handles.I thoroughly wash my hands before I eat anything. But this time I was in too close a quarters with the person that had a cold and they sneezed right under me so it was airborne germs that got me this time....lol. J.C. In a message dated 9/24/2008 3:55:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, notarysojac@sbcglobal.net writes: .C. sez: "I've been sick with a nasty cold I caught because of my job. A little kid with a cold got right under me and sneezed while I was hanging a Plasma tv." OK, this is not related to jukes but I want to share a tip especially since we are entering flu season. I have had incredible luck in staving off colds and flu for the past couple of years by religiously taking a product called "Airborne" at the first sign of symptoms. You can buy knock-off versions of this stuff (Walgreens, Wal-Mart, etc.) for about $4-$5. For me it is money well spent. My wife is a Chicago public school teacher and thus brings home every bug her little ones bring to school. Thanks to "Airborne" I have not had a cold for over two years. YMMV! **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 15:46:25 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Sep 24 15:47:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Miracle medicine In-Reply-To: <97078.79930.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <856975.57037.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bob, I hate to tell you this--but I just saw some report on that "drug"--the claim is that it does absolutuly nothing? (If I re-call right, this claim has been made by the CDC, which is now planning an investigation)---Ron? Rich --- On Wed, 9/24/08, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] Miracle medicine To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 12:53 PM J.C. sez: "I've been sick with a nasty cold I caught because of my job. A little kid with a cold got right under me and sneezed while I was hanging a Plasma tv." OK, this is not related to jukes but I want to share a tip especially since we are entering flu season. I have had incredible luck in staving off colds and flu for the past couple of years by religiously taking a product called "Airborne" at the first sign of symptoms. You can buy knock-off versions of this stuff (Walgreens, Wal-Mart, etc.) for about $4-$5. For me it is money well spent. My wife is a Chicago public school teacher and thus brings home every bug her little ones bring to school. Thanks to "Airborne" I have not had a cold for over two years. YMMV! Bob - Chicago _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From berrycbell at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 21:47:03 2008 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Wed Sep 24 21:48:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] JC list member Honest Seller In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Easy fellas, just simply making a statement. There certainly wasn't any trashing going on in my post or negativity. Don't be so sensitive, and Mel, I'm already over it. Respectfully, Berry On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Mel Knight wrote: > Hi All! I have to agree with you guy's (and Jackie). J.C. is a fine > businessman and VERY trustworthy. The OP might want to check their spam > folder, because J.C. has always replied to me in a timely manner. The > purpose of this list is for a community or jukers to converse, we're here to > help each other and promote the hobby (obsession), not to trash talk because > someone has a gripe.... Get over it!! > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dave.halford at telent.com Thu Sep 25 00:55:35 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Thu Sep 25 00:56:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list]JC list member Honest Seller Message-ID: <20080925075538.2DFD42BEA7C@blade205.la.inty.net> All I would say is if a vendor offers a price and it's accepted by a buyer then it should be honoured even if the vendor realises he has made a mistake in the pricing. If the buyer says 'I'll think about it', well then thats a different story. If I ever say that and then go back days later I always ask the price again. I've bought parts from Durfee and he's never decided to sell them to someone else for a higher price that he was contacted by before me. I suspect that even in the US theres a law against it. The way we treat others says a lot about ourselves. regards Dave H Jjmscf@aol.com Sent by: To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n cc: Jjmscf@aol.com etlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list]JC list member Honest Seller 24/09/2008 16:49 Please respond to Jukebox mailing list Ok. I should have replied but I realized I opened my big mouth too soon therefore putting my foot in it I guess before I did any research on the part when I searched for 1800 coin gear on ebay and could find none.In fact no Wurlitzer coin gear except pricy 40s Wurlitzer coin gear. I googled and found out that era coin gear is unique to the model of machine and might be worth a tad more than $100.It is very much cleaner inside than the amp and everything moves freely. Is it greed not wanting to sell something for much less than it's worth if it's rare? Call Bill Butterfield or Durfee and see what some of the parts sell for?I know .I've paid their prices when I had no other choice than to do without.Besides I was contacted by Nimko before anyone else and haven't finished tearing the machine down and cleaning the dirt off the parts to send him pictures.He's interested in everything except the amp which was sold to another member. I work long hours 6 days a week and have very little spare time plus I've been sick with a nasty cold I caught because of my job. A little kid with a cold got right under me and sneezed while I was hanging a Plasma tv. J.C. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "david o'grady" < > dodgie2@optusnet.com.au> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:42 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] An honest aussie buyer > > > I answered a listing from MrJC. Jjmscf@aol.com) > regarding his wurly 1800 parts box that he was offering to the list members > ,before e-baying them. I was interested in the coin gear, he promptly > answered with a fair price. > After realizing he had a lot of interest in it. > he submitted a post to the news group asking people what they thought it > would be worth. > saying he did`nt want to undercut himself. > Myself I think this is another greedy member > trying to rip-off other members. > I have sent a number of emails since, without any replies. > Therefore I assume he must have got a better price. > I don't feel this is fair. and im not a happy camper. > Thank-you regards David O`Grady > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission or for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From carl.a.sullivan1 at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 16:05:12 2008 From: carl.a.sullivan1 at gmail.com (Carl Sullivan) Date: Thu Sep 25 15:50:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1600/1650 Selector Mechanism Message-ID: <2da21f830809121605u26a060f4i914deaa31abaf12b@mail.gmail.com> I am in the process of restoring a Wurly 1650 but, I having issues with the selector mechanism. The issue is that it continues to play and play. I looked at the selector coils and all the pins are in the retracted position. However, the selector continues to play records. The wheels goes around and seems to stop randomly. The it goes through the motion of pushing back the pin that is already retracted. Any thoughts from anyone??? From augiebev at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 14 18:29:29 2008 From: augiebev at sbcglobal.net (Augustine Guerrero) Date: Thu Sep 25 15:50:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 Message-ID: <233321.79340.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My son has a Seeburg Juke Box Select-o-matic 100 that someone offered him $500 for. He has no idea how much they are worth. Do you have that information and how would we go about finding out? From jeje26800 at yahoo.fr Tue Sep 16 09:06:44 2008 From: jeje26800 at yahoo.fr (jerome arrete) Date: Thu Sep 25 15:50:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg kd200 Message-ID: <990979.23485.qm@web23104.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hello Have you parts for seeburg KD200 to sell? ? Thank you From TUBADON40 at aol.com Tue Sep 23 20:56:29 2008 From: TUBADON40 at aol.com (TUBADON40@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 25 15:50:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Gem LS-2 scan problem Message-ID: I have a friend with a 1968 or 9 Gem that just keeps scanning continually. What can I look for to fix the problem? Could it just be a dirty switch? Which ones and where are they located. I guess any suggestions are welcome at this point. I am not a Seeburg Savy person. Don **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 16:57:57 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Sep 25 17:05:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Gem LS-2 scan problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <775410.89521.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Don, The LS-2 is a 69 model. Find the SCC-8, or opt. SCC-7, and remove it. There are two coils in the rear of the unit. Remove the two screws holding the whole assembly.? Next remove one of the coils--- NOTE where the coil is adjusted, and the type and size of the screws / washer used --replace them the EXACT same way, after ceaning the coil and plunger. Do NOT oil coil or plunger. Then do the same to the second coil.? While you are there, check that there is a .01/14kv soldered across the contact points--reassemble it, and it should solve your problem. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 9/23/08, TUBADON40@aol.com wrote: From: TUBADON40@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Gem LS-2 scan problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 8:56 PM I have a friend with a 1968 or 9 Gem that just keeps scanning continually. What can I look for to fix the problem? Could it just be a dirty switch? Which ones and where are they located. I guess any suggestions are welcome at this point. I am not a Seeburg Savy person. Don **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pat2355 at aol.com Thu Sep 25 14:57:45 2008 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 25 17:16:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list]JC list member Honest Seller In-Reply-To: <20080925075538.2DFD42BEA7C@blade205.la.inty.net> References: <20080925075538.2DFD42BEA7C@blade205.la.inty.net> Message-ID: <8CAED70E02FB22D-CA4-1F4F@webmail-ne10.sysops.aol.com> I totally agree that an agreed upon price should have been honored, but past that the seller should have at least given the buyer first chance at the higher price. An explanation should also have been offered. A policy every group of collectors has to behave by is to treat everyone else like they'd like to be treated. Try to do honest business and get the word out on anyone else that doesn't. Unfortunately this deal has publicly gone sour and reputations are supposed to be worth more than a few $$$. Postamn Pat From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 16:08:07 2008 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Thu Sep 25 17:21:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMP Issues Message-ID: I just had my AMP recap and all the tubes checked. I was all excited to finally hear the box play some music. However, after plugging it in I got the same old hummmmm and no music. The person that redid the amp suggested a couple of items. 1st make sure the input is plugged into the correct spot - Check and it is. Then he suggested to removed the muting plug. Did that and no change. The next item was new cobras. I ordered a new cobra which took awhile. They are on back order at Victory glass. Just got the cobra and still got the same result. Also, now the on/off switch is acting up. I now have to move the switch around to get anything to light up or to get the mechanism to turn on. Any thoughts from the group. I am sure my AMP rebuilder did as he said. He is well known on these sites but, I think a wire or two may have come loose on the return trip. Thoughts from the group...Anyone get a bad rebuild amp?? From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Sep 25 04:12:33 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Thu Sep 25 17:32:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list]JC list member Honest Seller References: <20080925075538.2DFD42BEA7C@blade205.la.inty.net> Message-ID: <78FF076908BD461B8F8A23293F418A31@home1903> Dave, nicely put Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list]JC list member Honest Seller > All I would say is if a vendor offers a price and it's accepted by a buyer > then it should be honoured even if the vendor realises he has made a > mistake in the pricing. > > If the buyer says 'I'll think about it', well then thats a different > story. > If I ever say that and then go back days later I always ask the price > again. > > I've bought parts from Durfee and he's never decided to sell them to > someone else for a higher price that he was contacted by before me. I > suspect that even in the US theres a law against it. > > The way we treat others says a lot about ourselves. > > regards > > Dave H > > > > > > Jjmscf@aol.com > Sent by: To: > jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n cc: > Jjmscf@aol.com > etlojix.com Subject: Re: > [Jukebox-list]JC list member Honest Seller > > > 24/09/2008 16:49 > Please respond to Jukebox > mailing list > > > > > > > Ok. I should have replied but I realized I opened my big mouth too soon > therefore putting my foot in it I guess before I did any research on the > part > when I searched for 1800 coin gear on ebay and could find none.In fact no > Wurlitzer coin gear except pricy 40s Wurlitzer coin gear. I googled and > found out > that era coin gear is unique to the model of machine and might be worth a > tad > more than $100.It is very much cleaner inside than the amp and everything > moves freely. > > Is it greed not wanting to sell something for much less than it's worth if > > it's rare? Call Bill Butterfield or Durfee and see what some of the parts > sell > for?I know .I've paid their prices when I had no other choice than to do > without.Besides I was contacted by Nimko before anyone else and haven't > finished > tearing the machine down and cleaning the dirt off the parts to send him > pictures.He's interested in everything except the amp which was sold to > another > member. I work long hours 6 days a week and have very little spare time > plus > I've been sick with a nasty cold I caught because of my job. A little kid > with a cold got right under me and sneezed while I was hanging a Plasma > tv. > > J.C. > > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "david o'grady" < >> dodgie2@optusnet.com.au> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:42 PM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] An honest aussie buyer >> >> >> I answered a listing from MrJC. Jjmscf@aol.com) >> regarding his wurly 1800 parts box that he was offering to the list > members >> ,before e-baying them. I was interested in the coin gear, he promptly >> answered with a fair price. >> After realizing he had a lot of interest in it. >> he submitted a post to the news group asking people what they thought it >> would be worth. >> saying he did`nt want to undercut himself. >> Myself I think this is another greedy member >> trying to rip-off other members. >> I have sent a number of emails since, without any replies. >> Therefore I assume he must have got a better price. >> I don't feel this is fair. and im not a happy camper. >> Thank-you regards David O`Grady >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - > www.maildefender.net > > > > > > > This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any > attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If > you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this > e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender > immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and > delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or > opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may > not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission cannot > be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can be > intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or > contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any > errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a > result of e-mail transmission or for any damage caused by any virus > transmitted by this email. > > > > Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - > www.maildefender.net > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Thu Sep 25 17:31:26 2008 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Thu Sep 25 17:32:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMP Issues References: Message-ID: <93DFA383F390490B91B6658B5A342241@DFLXW121> This sounds like there is a grid-cathode short in an output tube. Have you tried substituting the tubes with known good tubes? Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl & Lynne Sullivan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMP Issues >I just had my AMP recap and all the tubes checked. I was all excited to > finally hear the box play some music. However, after plugging it in I > got > the same old hummmmm and no music. The person that redid the amp > suggested > a couple of items. 1st make sure the input is plugged into the correct > spot - Check and it is. Then he suggested to removed the muting plug. > Did that and no change. The next item was new cobras. I ordered a new > cobra which took awhile. They are on back order at Victory glass. Just > got > the cobra and still got the same result. > > Also, now the on/off switch is acting up. I now have to move the switch > around to get anything to light up or to get the mechanism to turn on. > > Any thoughts from the group. I am sure my AMP rebuilder did as he said. > He > is well known on these sites but, I think a wire or two may have come > loose > on the return trip. > > Thoughts from the group...Anyone get a bad rebuild amp?? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jay at west.net Thu Sep 25 08:41:14 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Sep 25 17:35:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Administrivia: List was offline for a few hours Message-ID: <48DBB11A.4030000@west.net> There was a drive failure on the server hosting the list causing it to be unreachable for a few hours. If you're reading this, we're back up and files have been restored. If you sent mail and got a message stating that your mail was delayed, it should appear here shortly. If you got a message that the mail was unable to be delivered (giving up), please re-send. Sorry for the inconvenience. [Jay drops a nickel, pushes G-5 "I'm Sorry" - Brenda Lee] -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 17:37:43 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Sep 25 17:38:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMP Issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <21623.24062.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> When you say the input is in "the right spot"--what is it labeled? There are two inputs on those amps----the other thing I might suggest is to check out the cable from the tone arm to the amp, and the connections to the Cobra. Also, are the speakers connected right? Yes--it is possible to have a problem with a rebuilt amp. Contact the "rebuilder"--We're all "human"--Ron Rich --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Carl & Lynne Sullivan wrote: From: Carl & Lynne Sullivan Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMP Issues To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 4:08 PM I just had my AMP recap and all the tubes checked. I was all excited to finally hear the box play some music. However, after plugging it in I got the same old hummmmm and no music. The person that redid the amp suggested a couple of items. 1st make sure the input is plugged into the correct spot - Check and it is. Then he suggested to removed the muting plug. Did that and no change. The next item was new cobras. I ordered a new cobra which took awhile. They are on back order at Victory glass. Just got the cobra and still got the same result. Also, now the on/off switch is acting up. I now have to move the switch around to get anything to light up or to get the mechanism to turn on. Any thoughts from the group. I am sure my AMP rebuilder did as he said. He is well known on these sites but, I think a wire or two may have come loose on the return trip. Thoughts from the group...Anyone get a bad rebuild amp?? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 17:40:35 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Sep 25 17:41:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Administrivia: List was offline for a few hours In-Reply-To: <48DBB11A.4030000@west.net> Message-ID: <146807.36399.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jay, What did you use--a woden nickel--cause I heard Brenda sing "She'll be comming rount the mountain--" Ron Rich --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: [Jukebox-list] Administrivia: List was offline for a few hours To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 8:41 AM There was a drive failure on the server hosting the list causing it to be unreachable for a few hours. If you're reading this, we're back up and files have been restored. If you sent mail and got a message stating that your mail was delayed, it should appear here shortly. If you got a message that the mail was unable to be delivered (giving up), please re-send. Sorry for the inconvenience. [Jay drops a nickel, pushes G-5 "I'm Sorry" - Brenda Lee] -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 25 12:38:22 2008 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Thu Sep 25 18:06:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <872269.94924.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rich, Yes, I heard about that CDC claim as well. However, I'll be darned if I cannot beat my colds down to a day or two (sometimes even less) once I start pounding down these Airbornes. Man, I hate the way they taste but I deal with that to prevent a cold from turning into the beast that J.C. recently described. Now, perhaps I could achieve the same results by swinging a dead black cat over my head while standing in a cemetery ;-) Mind over matter? Maybe. In the meantime, I have a stash of these Airbornes in my medicine cabinet at the ready next time cold symptoms begin to appear. On another note, anyone out there know how to reach Brad Merchant? He seems to have fallen off the earth! TIA Bob - Chicago ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:46:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Miracle medicine To: Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <856975.57037.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Bob, I hate to tell you this--but I just saw some report on that "drug"--the claim is that it does absolutuly nothing (If I re-call right, this claim has been made by the CDC, which is now planning an investigation)---Ron Rich From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 18:13:37 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Sep 25 18:14:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <872269.94924.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <413096.42021.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Brad--Try contacting Vern Tisdale. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 9/25/08, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 12:38 PM Rich, Yes, I heard about that CDC claim as well. However, I'll be darned if I cannot beat my colds down to a day or two (sometimes even less) once I start pounding down these Airbornes. Man, I hate the way they taste but I deal with that to prevent a cold from turning into the beast that J.C. recently described. Now, perhaps I could achieve the same results by swinging a dead black cat over my head while standing in a cemetery ;-) Mind over matter? Maybe. In the meantime, I have a stash of these Airbornes in my medicine cabinet at the ready next time cold symptoms begin to appear. On another note, anyone out there know how to reach Brad Merchant? He seems to have fallen off the earth! TIA Bob - Chicago ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:46:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Miracle medicine To: Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <856975.57037.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Bob, I hate to tell you this--but I just saw some report on that "drug"--the claim is that it does absolutuly nothing (If I re-call right, this claim has been made by the CDC, which is now planning an investigation)---Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rudymart at charter.net Thu Sep 25 11:01:58 2008 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Thu Sep 25 19:14:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410 S Message-ID: <7D74CEB093CC4BF991BE6D7F402AF945@luluPC> everytime i turn power on the 1.6 amp fuse in the power supply blows. can anyone help me as to what may be causing the problem? rudy From drjukebox at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 22:05:53 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Thu Sep 25 22:07:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <413096.42021.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <872269.94924.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <413096.42021.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690809252205i4970f4e6t6494645c105f934c@mail.gmail.com> Brad is probably lost inside some obscure jukebox - keep a-trying! Jens On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:13 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > On Brad--Try contacting Vern Tisdale. > Ron Rich > > --- On Thu, 9/25/08, NotarySojac wrote: > > From: NotarySojac > Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 12:38 PM > > Rich, > > Yes, I heard about that CDC claim as well. However, I'll be darned if I > cannot beat my colds down to a day or two (sometimes even less) once I > start > pounding down these Airbornes. Man, I hate the way they taste but I deal > with > that to prevent a cold from turning into the beast that J.C. recently > described. > > Now, perhaps I could achieve the same results by swinging a dead black cat > over > my head while standing in a cemetery ;-) Mind over matter? Maybe. > > In the meantime, I have a stash of these Airbornes in my medicine cabinet > at > the ready next time cold symptoms begin to appear. > > On another note, anyone out there know how to reach Brad Merchant? He seems > to > have fallen off the earth! > > TIA > Bob - Chicago > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:46:25 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ron Rich > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Miracle medicine > To: Jukebox mailing list > Message-ID: <856975.57037.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Bob, > I > hate to tell you this--but I just saw some report on that "drug"--the > claim is that it does absolutuly nothing (If I re-call right, this > claim has been made by the CDC, which is now planning an > investigation)---Ron > Rich > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From rudymart at charter.net Thu Sep 25 18:19:48 2008 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Thu Sep 25 23:57:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410 s Message-ID: <98C739E7D6D341749DB76EE22C2D2CAE@luluPC> the 1.6 amp fuse blows every time i turn the power on. can anyone offer any advice on what might be causing this. rudy From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Sep 26 00:11:44 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Sep 26 00:15:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1600/1650 Selector Mechanism Message-ID: <20080926.031144.24826.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Carl: On the back of the selector drum in your 1650, there is a microswitch. This should have a brown or black colored switch body. This switch gets activated by a wobble plate inside of the selector drum. Whenever one or more pins are tripped, the switch should be closed. wurlitzer calls this the over ride switch. The switch has a mechanical adjustment in order to adjust it's tripping threshold from the wobble plate. The switch is either out of adjustment, or the switch has failed so that's in an "always on" position. When this condition happens, the mech will make random selections, usually from the middle of the tray stack. Mechanical adjustment of the switch tripping point is touchy and critical, so it'll take some trial and error adjustment on your part to get it right. Hope this helps JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to find out what your future holds. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4sue92WKvUoh28jOXPckxRctKl8pVtzv8ehV6t8gEBio7GgO/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Sep 26 00:27:15 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Sep 26 00:29:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMP Issues Message-ID: <20080926.032715.24826.2@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> A few quick questions: Can you control the level of the hum problem with the volume control? Does the hum completely go away with the volume all the way down? Does the hum only occur when your juke is in the "record play" position? Are you hearing any hum, noise, crackles out of the speakers when the mech is in the searching mode? Does the hum go away when the machine is in the "at rest" mode? Sometimes a freshly repaired amp can be defective or a part may have gotten damaged in shipping. If this turns out to be the case, most amp servicers should be willing to guide you through this troubleshooting process over the phone to determine whether the hum source is in your juke or if the problem is on the amp chassis. There are some simple things like defective tubes, improper cartridge wiring, bad grounds, etc that can make a freshly rebuilt sound system hum. Many of them are easy to find and fix. By working through the above list, it'll help to localize and define what's wrong. Hope this helps, JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Need name badges? Click here to find great name badge solutions! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vAKsmVtPV3Z56veVZzL4RVrMJTT6JuTy8JqV69wEnARtFpk/ From darkogrosek at yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 01:02:49 2008 From: darkogrosek at yahoo.com (Darko Grosek) Date: Fri Sep 26 01:09:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Lyric M 1962 help! Message-ID: <415100.68945.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I bought Wurlitzer Lyric M from 1962 and I'm lookin for wiring diagram or any helpful info, cause this is my first jukebox and I really wanna make it work, 'cause it's mine more than 10 years old dream! Thanks From crobertson19405 at comcast.net Fri Sep 26 04:30:39 2008 From: crobertson19405 at comcast.net (Craig and Cerena) Date: Fri Sep 26 04:29:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lighting question Message-ID: <37631954A895495E99E71FE29287A550@CraignCerena> Hi gang. Not sure if anyone can help me on this electrical question. I have a HF100R Seeburg. I recently rewired the florescent light but needed to replace the old ballast. The old ballast only had two wires coming from it. The new ballast that I have is a RL-140-TP Rapid Start. It has two red wires on one side and a blue, white and black/white wire on the other. I still have the starter attached to the jukebox. This ballast I believe would eliminate the starter. Can anyone give me directions on how to install this new ballast? Thanks for any help Craig From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Sep 26 04:51:12 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Fri Sep 26 04:52:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Colored Floresent Bulbs Message-ID: Good morning to all, After reading Jen's post regarding the colored gel/or tubes for my 1650........which, let's face it, it was not one of Wurlitzer's most stunnng boxes, I started my search on the internet, determined to add some cool color. I found a couple sights with colored tubes but most of my issue was not with the price and shipping, it was that they were not multicolored. Having painted my tray green and the record holder top a maroon, I wanted something to accent the pink/yellow and green pilasters also. While searching I came upon a website, how to make your own colored floresents! Renoylds Wrap has plastic wrap out in 4 colors, pink, purple,yellow and green. The wrap is designed to hold heat from the microwave so not a problem with the low heat of the floresent bulb. The cool thing about using this wrap is I was able to combine rows of colors on each bulb. It changed the lettering in the Logo Banner up top which looks very cool. The lower bulb has pink on the outside edges of the bulb to accent the pilasters and green in the middle to accent the green selection board. There is enough pink lighting up the light red color on the metal grill to give that some accent. I will take some pics and load them to my photo bucket, not sure if I can pick up the colors well, but I am thrilled. Next step, the Dome...... when it arrives! Thanks Jens for planting that idea, it makes the Juke sooooooooo much more interesting to look at, it's a real beauty! Jackie From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Sep 26 05:55:34 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Sep 26 05:57:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lighting question In-Reply-To: <37631954A895495E99E71FE29287A550@CraignCerena> References: <37631954A895495E99E71FE29287A550@CraignCerena> Message-ID: <20080926125357.M45671@dwave.net> The new ballast should have a schematic on it. This shows the correct way to hook things up. It will show the starter in the circuit if it is used. Jeremy Agema On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 07:30:39 -0400, Craig and Cerena wrote > Hi gang. Not sure if anyone can help me on this electrical > question. I have a HF100R Seeburg. I recently rewired the > florescent light but needed to replace the old ballast. The old > ballast only had two wires coming from it. The new ballast that I > have is a RL-140-TP Rapid Start. It has two red wires on one side > and a blue, white and black/white wire on the other. I still have > the starter attached to the jukebox. This ballast I believe would > eliminate the starter. Can anyone give me directions on how to > install this new ballast? Thanks for any help > > Craig > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Sep 26 05:59:21 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Sep 26 06:00:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 In-Reply-To: <233321.79340.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <233321.79340.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080926125607.M6958@dwave.net> I like to check out ebay and see what they have SOLD for. The asking price on ebay is just that. Many don't sell with the original asking price. Do an advanced search and check "completed listings" While not the absolute price source, ebay will give you a clue as to it's value. Good luck Jeremy Agema On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:29:29 -0700 (PDT), Augustine Guerrero wrote > My son has a Seeburg Juke Box Select-o-matic 100 that someone > offered him $500 for. He has no idea how much they are worth. Do you > have that information and how would we go about finding out? _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Sep 26 06:18:36 2008 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Sep 26 06:35:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 In-Reply-To: <20080926125607.M6958@dwave.net> References: <233321.79340.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080926125607.M6958@dwave.net> Message-ID: Augustine: it would help a lot more if you got the actual model number for this Seeburg. "Select-o-matic" was just the name of the mechanism. It's like saying I have a 1968 GM car... What's it worth?(is it a Corvette or a Corvair?) Once you get the actual model (check the plate on the back of the machine), you can follow Jeremy's advice and get an idea of what these are selling for. Judging from some of the prior comments on this list, this is a bad time in the economy to be selling jukeboxes (but a great time to buy!) Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Agema Sent: 2008, September, 26 8:59 AM To: augiebev@sbcglobal.net; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 I like to check out ebay and see what they have SOLD for. The asking price on ebay is just that. Many don't sell with the original asking price. Do an advanced search and check "completed listings" While not the absolute price source, ebay will give you a clue as to it's value. Good luck Jeremy Agema On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:29:29 -0700 (PDT), Augustine Guerrero wrote > My son has a Seeburg Juke Box Select-o-matic 100 that someone offered > him $500 for. He has no idea how much they are worth. Do you have that > information and how would we go about finding out? _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 06:57:52 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Sep 26 07:05:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <59203.1064.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 9/26/08, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > Judging from some of the prior comments on this list, this > is a bad time > in the economy to be selling jukeboxes (but a great time to > buy!) Recessions favor collectors! From pinball at telus.net Fri Sep 26 07:12:53 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Sep 26 07:14:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Lyric M 1962 help! In-Reply-To: <415100.68945.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <415100.68945.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48DCEDE5.9020409@telus.net> Darko Grosek wrote: > I bought Wurlitzer Lyric M from 1962 and I'm lookin for wiring diagram or any helpful info, cause this is my first jukebox and I really wanna make it work, 'cause it's mine more than 10 years old dream! > Thanks > > I have copies of the original German (Deutsche) Wurlitzer manuals for those vintage machines. I also have some parts (NOS), plus a few steppers, wallboxes, etc. for German Wurlitzers from the 60s & 70s, and stock parts for the current models as well. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Sep 26 07:41:25 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Fri Sep 26 07:43:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 References: <233321.79340.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080926125607.M6958@dwave.net> Message-ID: <4432E80A75384829942B0FD92EB44870@home1903> Hey Mike, I've got a Corvair!!! It's the poor man's Hot Rod, LOL Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 9:18 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 Augustine: it would help a lot more if you got the actual model number for this Seeburg. "Select-o-matic" was just the name of the mechanism. It's like saying I have a 1968 GM car... What's it worth?(is it a Corvette or a Corvair?) Once you get the actual model (check the plate on the back of the machine), you can follow Jeremy's advice and get an idea of what these are selling for. Judging from some of the prior comments on this list, this is a bad time in the economy to be selling jukeboxes (but a great time to buy!) Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Agema Sent: 2008, September, 26 8:59 AM To: augiebev@sbcglobal.net; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 I like to check out ebay and see what they have SOLD for. The asking price on ebay is just that. Many don't sell with the original asking price. Do an advanced search and check "completed listings" While not the absolute price source, ebay will give you a clue as to it's value. Good luck Jeremy Agema On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:29:29 -0700 (PDT), Augustine Guerrero wrote > My son has a Seeburg Juke Box Select-o-matic 100 that someone offered > him $500 for. He has no idea how much they are worth. Do you have that > information and how would we go about finding out? _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. 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Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 06:55:41 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Sep 26 07:56:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Colored Floresent Bulbs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <488954.59870.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Theatrical lighting gels are a good solution, too. You can get them in scores of colors and many are very deeply hued. I once made a pretty nice color effect on the deeply recessed title strip holders of my AMI G-200 by wrapping the tube behind them in ~3" bands of green, blue and red gel materical. Since all the primary colors were hitting the translucent plastic holders at different angles, it produced a very impressive array of all the colors of the rainbow on the different facets of the holders. It will be interesting to see how the plastic wrap holds up to the UV light put out by the tube. That's usually a bigger issue with fluorescents than heat. From tldrn90 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 12:38:35 2008 From: tldrn90 at yahoo.com (Tammy Donaldson) Date: Fri Sep 26 08:06:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 Message-ID: <516538.22582.qm@web53911.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have a Seeburg 100C in good condition. I was wondering how much it would be worth if I wanted to sell it. Tammy From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Sep 26 08:10:52 2008 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Sep 26 08:12:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 In-Reply-To: <4432E80A75384829942B0FD92EB44870@home1903> References: <233321.79340.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080926125607.M6958@dwave.net> <4432E80A75384829942B0FD92EB44870@home1903> Message-ID: Really? It sounds like your collection of "toys" is so interesting. Your husband is a lucky man!!!!!My cousin has a black 1966 convertible, in Vancouver. They were weird in their own way, but are still cool. I wasn't trying to put down Corvairs, just explain that the initial writer had to be a lot more specific as to the model of jukebox they had (especially if they wanted to establish a value). -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of etreble7 Sent: 2008, September, 26 10:41 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 Hey Mike, I've got a Corvair!!! It's the poor man's Hot Rod, LOL Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 9:18 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 Augustine: it would help a lot more if you got the actual model number for this Seeburg. "Select-o-matic" was just the name of the mechanism. It's like saying I have a 1968 GM car... What's it worth?(is it a Corvette or a Corvair?) Once you get the actual model (check the plate on the back of the machine), you can follow Jeremy's advice and get an idea of what these are selling for. Judging from some of the prior comments on this list, this is a bad time in the economy to be selling jukeboxes (but a great time to buy!) Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Agema Sent: 2008, September, 26 8:59 AM To: augiebev@sbcglobal.net; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 I like to check out ebay and see what they have SOLD for. The asking price on ebay is just that. Many don't sell with the original asking price. Do an advanced search and check "completed listings" While not the absolute price source, ebay will give you a clue as to it's value. Good luck Jeremy Agema On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:29:29 -0700 (PDT), Augustine Guerrero wrote > My son has a Seeburg Juke Box Select-o-matic 100 that someone offered > him $500 for. He has no idea how much they are worth. Do you have that > information and how would we go about finding out? _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. 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Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. 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From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Fri Sep 26 08:16:49 2008 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Fri Sep 26 08:18:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Colored Floresent Bulbs In-Reply-To: <488954.59870.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <488954.59870.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: David, where can we find these theatrical lighting gels? -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 2008, September, 26 9:56 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Colored Floresent Bulbs Theatrical lighting gels are a good solution, too. You can get them in scores of colors and many are very deeply hued. I once made a pretty nice color effect on the deeply recessed title strip holders of my AMI G-200 by wrapping the tube behind them in ~3" bands of green, blue and red gel materical. Since all the primary colors were hitting the translucent plastic holders at different angles, it produced a very impressive array of all the colors of the rainbow on the different facets of the holders. It will be interesting to see how the plastic wrap holds up to the UV light put out by the tube. That's usually a bigger issue with fluorescents than heat. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From digital.john at btopenworld.com Fri Sep 26 08:41:53 2008 From: digital.john at btopenworld.com (digital.john@btopenworld.com) Date: Fri Sep 26 08:49:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Serenade Message-ID: <688976.27881.qm@web86612.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hello I have a 1963 NSM Serenade that selects the letters o.k but not the numbers as the solenoid on the front left of the carriage that selects numbers is missing. It is quite a small 24v solenoid. Does anyone have any idea where i might find something similar that would do the job as I can't find an original. Thanks. John? From stamann at jukebox-world.de Fri Sep 26 08:49:17 2008 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Fri Sep 26 08:50:43 2008 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Lyric M 1962 help! In-Reply-To: <415100.68945.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Mr. Grosek, the Lyric built in 1961/62 - http://www.jukebox-world.de/Forum/Archiv/Dt.%20Wurlitzer/Lyric-1960.htm - was the first jukebox by the German Wurlitzer Company. The M is for manual select. Besides the selection system the mechanism is pretty much the same than used in 60's US Wurlitzer jukeboxes. If you can't find the schematics somewhere else - where are you located? - we will be able to help. Please check which amplifier is installed - it should be a P-38. Kind regards - Hildegard Stamann ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Stamann Musikboxen - Schafskamp 2 - D-27243 Klein Henstedt - www.jukebox-world.de - stamann@jukebox-world.de Tel: (++49) 04224/264, Fax: (++49) 04224-1348, Ust.Id: DE 249241577 -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Darko Grosek Gesendet: Freitag, 26. September 2008 10:03 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Lyric M 1962 help! I bought Wurlitzer Lyric M from 1962 and I'm lookin for wiring diagram or any helpful info, cause this is my first jukebox and I really wanna make it work, 'cause it's mine more than 10 years old dream! Thanks _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeffzurn at cox.net Fri Sep 26 08:54:30 2008 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Fri Sep 26 08:55:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Colored Floresent Bulbs References: <488954.59870.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01c91ff0$2973d940$f9fb4109@ZURNT60> Look up Theatrical Supply in the Yellow Pages (for local) or on the web The big manufacturers are LEE, ROSCO, and GAM I used to work for Norcostco, so I'll plug them here: www.norcostco.com Sample 'swatch' books are available. Jeff Zurn Arizona Jukebox Company ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 8:16 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Colored Floresent Bulbs David, where can we find these theatrical lighting gels? -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 2008, September, 26 9:56 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Colored Floresent Bulbs Theatrical lighting gels are a good solution, too. You can get them in scores of colors and many are very deeply hued. I once made a pretty nice color effect on the deeply recessed title strip holders of my AMI G-200 by wrapping the tube behind them in ~3" bands of green, blue and red gel materical. Since all the primary colors were hitting the translucent plastic holders at different angles, it produced a very impressive array of all the colors of the rainbow on the different facets of the holders. It will be interesting to see how the plastic wrap holds up to the UV light put out by the tube. That's usually a bigger issue with fluorescents than heat. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Sep 26 10:21:11 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Fri Sep 26 10:22:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Car vs Jukebox References: <233321.79340.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080926125607.M6958@dwave.net> <4432E80A75384829942B0FD92EB44870@home1903> Message-ID: <3ADD022E9BA64AE1AABC6AB6F79A7648@home1903> Hi Mike, it's cool, a 65 Red Ragtop with white interior. I know the reference was well intended, no offense taken here. I am selling the Corvair, as it's really MY baby and my husband is not into working on it. I have done alot of work myself and the Repair Tech that trained on Corvairs in the early 60's closed up his shop.......just another example of "the times, they are a changing". I'll be curious to hear the value of their Juke, Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:10 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 Really? It sounds like your collection of "toys" is so interesting. Your husband is a lucky man!!!!!My cousin has a black 1966 convertible, in Vancouver. They were weird in their own way, but are still cool. I wasn't trying to put down Corvairs, just explain that the initial writer had to be a lot more specific as to the model of jukebox they had (especially if they wanted to establish a value). -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of etreble7 Sent: 2008, September, 26 10:41 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 Hey Mike, I've got a Corvair!!! It's the poor man's Hot Rod, LOL Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 9:18 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 Augustine: it would help a lot more if you got the actual model number for this Seeburg. "Select-o-matic" was just the name of the mechanism. It's like saying I have a 1968 GM car... What's it worth?(is it a Corvette or a Corvair?) Once you get the actual model (check the plate on the back of the machine), you can follow Jeremy's advice and get an idea of what these are selling for. Judging from some of the prior comments on this list, this is a bad time in the economy to be selling jukeboxes (but a great time to buy!) Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Agema Sent: 2008, September, 26 8:59 AM To: augiebev@sbcglobal.net; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 I like to check out ebay and see what they have SOLD for. The asking price on ebay is just that. Many don't sell with the original asking price. Do an advanced search and check "completed listings" While not the absolute price source, ebay will give you a clue as to it's value. Good luck Jeremy Agema On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:29:29 -0700 (PDT), Augustine Guerrero wrote > My son has a Seeburg Juke Box Select-o-matic 100 that someone offered > him $500 for. He has no idea how much they are worth. Do you have that > information and how would we go about finding out? _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. 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L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 12:10:46 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Sep 26 12:11:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Car vs Jukebox In-Reply-To: <3ADD022E9BA64AE1AABC6AB6F79A7648@home1903> Message-ID: <711398.5467.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My Uncle was a big Corvair fan. At one time he had two, and even put a Corvair engine in a boat, coupled to a Volvo outdrive. No idea how much custom machining was involved with that. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 12:08:13 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Sep 26 12:16:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Colored Floresent Bulbs In-Reply-To: <000a01c91ff0$2973d940$f9fb4109@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <667029.4235.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 9/26/08, Jeff Zurn wrote: > Look up Theatrical Supply in the Yellow Pages (for local) or > on the web Also places that advertise as kareoke (I'm sure I spelled that wrong) supplies and lighting rentals frequently have them. Just say you're looking for gels and they'll know what you're asking for. I've found that the Pantone-like sample chip sets are expensive, but the gels aren't, and every place I've dealt with is perfectly happy to let you pull some off the shelves and compare them. They're used to dealing with "artistic types". :-) One tip is that they look darker in your hand than they do on the lamp. Pastels give a very subtle effect, maybe too subtle. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Sep 26 13:12:58 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Sep 26 13:15:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Colored Floresent Bulbs Message-ID: <20080926.161258.3170.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Hi: That was a great idea. Thanks for sharing. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to save cash and find low rates on auto loans. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uZMbQaMpe3h1LwyUMI4h5kElCZ8k4XtXvcCbEJ0P7B65ro6/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Sep 26 14:04:55 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Sep 26 14:07:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 Message-ID: <20080926.170455.25521.1@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Hello All: I've been involved with recent sales of Seeburg 100R and Seeburg 100J models here in the Atlanta, Ga area. The exteriors were in reasonably well-preserved shape, but not in "museum-quality" condition. The units had been mechanically/electronically overhauled within the last 10 years and were "shopped out" before the resale. Going prices were $1250 and $2000, quite a bit a less than what the "blue book" lists for good Grade 2 jukeboxes. These machines were sold locally via CraigsList. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click for free information on accounting careers, $150 hour potential. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s2YLXTQAXSYw3Cyc05aJVwNA65vWoOjuWXezoHCNstjayzs/ From jay at west.net Fri Sep 26 14:26:32 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Sep 26 14:27:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 In-Reply-To: <20080926.170455.25521.1@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080926.170455.25521.1@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <48DD5388.306@west.net> James Alexander wrote: > > > Hello All: > I've been involved with recent sales of Seeburg 100R and Seeburg 100J models here in the Atlanta, Ga area. The exteriors were in reasonably well-preserved shape, but not in "museum-quality" condition. The units had been mechanically/electronically overhauled within the last 10 years and were "shopped out" before the resale. > Going prices were $1250 and $2000, quite a bit a less than what the "blue book" lists for good Grade 2 jukeboxes. These machines were sold locally via CraigsList. In that order? I would think that a 100R would bring substantially more than a 100J assuming similar condition. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From Jjmscf at aol.com Fri Sep 26 17:21:22 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Fri Sep 26 17:27:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 Message-ID: Unless the particular collector is having money problems and needs to sell some toys to get out of it.But he can't sell the toys because of the recession. J.C. In a message dated 9/26/2008 10:06:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, david_breneman@yahoo.com writes: --- On Fri, 9/26/08, Dicecco, Michael wrote: >> Judging from some of the prior comments on this list, this >> is a bad time >> in the economy to be selling jukeboxes (but a great time to >> buy!) >Recessions favor collectors! **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 21:20:14 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Sep 26 21:21:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <669062.40224.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 9/26/08, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: [In reply to my observation that recessions favor collectors] > Unless the particular collector is having money problems and > needs to sell > some toys to get out of it.But he can't sell the toys > because of the recession. Then he is, almost by definition, an "investor" or even a "speculator" isn't he? From Jjmscf at aol.com Fri Sep 26 21:48:42 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Fri Sep 26 21:55:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 Message-ID: That message was meant for the list. I really need to watch the "send to box" when I hit reply. Sometimes it enters the person's email automatically instead of jukebox list. It seems to do that when replying to a post from people that are on yahoo for some reason. I've accidentally sent some replies meant for the list to Ron Rich also.Is this an AOL quirk or do others have to change the send to when replying to certain posts? I resent it to the list but it never posted because I didn't get the 2nd email. Perhaps the AOL blue quote lines around my reply caused it to be tagged as spam. I dunno. J.C. In a message dated 9/27/2008 12:21:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, david_breneman@yahoo.com writes: --- On Fri, 9/26/08, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: [In reply to my observation that recessions favor collectors] >> Unless the particular collector is having money problems and >> needs to sell >> some toys to get out of it.But he can't sell the toys >> because of the recession. >Then he is, almost by definition, an "investor" or even a >"speculator" isn't he? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 22:27:11 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Sep 26 22:28:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <261850.2390.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 9/26/08, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > That message was meant for the list. It went to the list, as did my reply. I've noticed lately that some of my replies to mailing list messages will be addressed to the original sender, not the list. That implies that a Reply-To: header is being inserted, but unfortunately this brain dead Yahoo system doesn't let you check headers. I've blamed these troubles on Yahoo's recent "enhancements" to their email system, but since almost everything bad with the Internet today can be traced to either AOL or Microsoft, to I'm happy to put the blame there instead. :-) Still, Yahoo is about one "enhancement" away from losing me completely as a customer. From tommoran13 at comcast.net Sat Sep 27 06:15:01 2008 From: tommoran13 at comcast.net (Thomas Moran) Date: Sat Sep 27 06:23:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Car vs Jukebox In-Reply-To: <3ADD022E9BA64AE1AABC6AB6F79A7648@home1903> References: <233321.79340.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080926125607.M6958@dwave.net> <4432E80A75384829942B0FD92EB44870@home1903> <3ADD022E9BA64AE1AABC6AB6F79A7648@home1903> Message-ID: <77F845CC-CE2C-4CB0-B017-025398490DA9@comcast.net> Hey Jackie, I have a Corvair too, also MY baby. A 63 Maroon Convertible with black interior. Too bad you have to sell yours, they're alot of fun. Tom. On Sep 26, 2008, at 12:21 PM, etreble7 wrote: > Hi Mike, > it's cool, a 65 Red Ragtop with white interior. I know the > reference was well intended, no offense taken here. I am selling > the Corvair, as it's really MY baby and my husband is not into > working on it. I have done alot of work myself and the Repair Tech > that trained on Corvairs in the early 60's closed up his > shop.......just another example of "the times, they are a changing". > > I'll be curious to hear the value of their Juke, > Jackie > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:10 AM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 > > > Really? It sounds like your collection of "toys" is so interesting. > Your husband is a lucky man!!!!!My cousin has a black 1966 > convertible, in Vancouver. They were weird in their own way, but are > still cool. > > I wasn't trying to put down Corvairs, just explain that the initial > writer had to be a lot more specific as to the model of jukebox they > had (especially if they wanted to establish a value). > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > ] On Behalf Of etreble7 > Sent: 2008, September, 26 10:41 AM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 > > Hey Mike, > I've got a Corvair!!! It's the poor man's Hot Rod, LOL Jackie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dicecco, Michael" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 9:18 AM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 > > > Augustine: it would help a lot more if you got the actual model number > for this Seeburg. > "Select-o-matic" was just the name of the mechanism. > > It's like saying I have a 1968 GM car... What's it worth?(is it a > Corvette or a Corvair?) > > Once you get the actual model (check the plate on the back of the > machine), you can follow Jeremy's advice and get an idea of what these > are selling for. > > Judging from some of the prior comments on this list, this is a bad > time > in the economy to be selling jukeboxes (but a great time to buy!) > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy > Agema > Sent: 2008, September, 26 8:59 AM > To: augiebev@sbcglobal.net; Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 > > I like to check out ebay and see what they have SOLD for. The asking > price on ebay is just that. Many don't sell with the original asking > price. > > Do an advanced search and check "completed listings" > > While not the absolute price source, ebay will give you a clue as to > it's value. > > Good luck > Jeremy Agema > > On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:29:29 -0700 (PDT), Augustine Guerrero wrote >> My son has a Seeburg Juke Box Select-o-matic 100 that someone offered >> him $500 for. He has no idea how much they are worth. Do you have >> that > >> information and how would we go about finding out? > _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender > does not > waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it > contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e- > mail or > otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne > renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des > renseignements > qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) > d?sign?(s) est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en > aviser > imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre > moyen. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender > does not waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information > it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e- > mail or otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur > ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des > renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) > destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en > aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un > autre moyen. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukebox at collector.org Sat Sep 27 08:39:26 2008 From: jukebox at collector.org (Irving Berliln) Date: Sat Sep 27 09:05:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] What causes buzz in seeburg Universal pricing unit? Message-ID: <20080927153926.8F6C41CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Picked up a Seeburg DS160 recently and the Universal Pricing Unit constantly buzzes when I plug-in the the DIN plug from the leaf switches on the coin mechanism. The coin drop mechanism was from from a Seeburg AY jukebox. Any service suggestions for a quick fix? I have a manual but it doesn't spell out a solution for this issue and I am rather unskilled at diagnosing and servicing. Jacob -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 10:48:48 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Sep 27 10:49:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] What causes buzz in seeburg Universal pricing unit? In-Reply-To: <20080927153926.8F6C41CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <321407.67858.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> You have a "stuck" (bent?) coin switch. First, remove the USPU from the phono, then remove the cover, find the 1/2 amp sloblo fuse and replace it. It's BEST to use a 4/10 amp slo blo there if you can find one.? I'll bet someone's installed a large size fuse. While you are there, check the other fuse. If it?also is oversized, replace it with either a 1 and 1/2, or 1 and 6/10 slo blo. Now look at the service manual coin switch adjustments and fix the stuck coin switch. Good luck, Ron Rich --- On Sat, 9/27/08, Irving Berliln wrote: From: Irving Berliln Subject: [Jukebox-list] What causes buzz in seeburg Universal pricing unit? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 8:39 AM Picked up a Seeburg DS160 recently and the Universal Pricing Unit constantly buzzes when I plug-in the the DIN plug from the leaf switches on the coin mechanism. The coin drop mechanism was from from a Seeburg AY jukebox. Any service suggestions for a quick fix? I have a manual but it doesn't spell out a solution for this issue and I am rather unskilled at diagnosing and servicing. Jacob -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Sep 27 12:31:52 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Sep 27 12:34:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg select-o-matic 100 Message-ID: <20080927.153152.1639.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Hello Gentlemen: The Seeburg 100R probably commanded a sale price of only $1250 because the machine had some issues: The dome glass had been replaced with plexi glass The cabinet veneer had been replaced with a nice redwood finish but it did not look like the original "two tone'" style cabinetry. Coin rejector was missing. keyboard buttons were incorrect---these were the blue color buttons as used on a model DS100. The original chrome finish was in "OK" condition, but it did have some scratches and pits in it. The R "waterfalls" and glass separators on the front grill were in place. Had the wrong amp chassis in it. Had an HFMA1-L6. This is the machine that the 100R owner brought to me. He bought it as a non working E bay bargain several years ago. I helped him by shopping it out and getting everything to work properly. The new owner (from craigslist) has got a nicely performing juke, that has a one of a kind look, but it's not historically accurate. The new buyer was aware of this. The Seeburg 100J that got sold for $2000 was in well-preserved original condition with all the correct parts (including coin gear ) in place. The machine had been mechanically/electronically re habbed nicely by someone about 10 years ago. The seller stopped using the machine, placed in their rec room, after their grandkids had grown up, and lost interest in it. Some simple repairs were needed to get it ready for resale. Comments, anyone? JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to become an artist and quit your boring job. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tu8BiNz0ZzhmuYAfixUwKbutHAeTuwyyJLH0ATJQsUs5rzQ/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Sep 27 13:48:47 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Sep 27 13:52:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410 s Message-ID: <20080927.164847.17075.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hello Rudy: Has anyone offered any assistance with this problem yet? The 1.6A sloblo fuse provides protection for the power supply and amplifier in your 2410S jukebox. There is most likely a short circuit either in the power supply or in the amp itself. There are quite a few places this can happen. To make these simple tests, you will need to have several spare 1.6A fuses on hand. Do not try to solve the problem by over fusing the circuit. In order to give you some quick troubleshooting advice in this forum, I'm having to make a few assumptions: First, that you're reasonably familiar with the interior of your 2410-S, you know what the major components are and what they do,but you are not a technician with any test instruments. Second. I'm giving you these tips based upon the 2400 series service manual. In my old edition of this manual there is a map-sized schematic drawing called 2410S wiring diagram. There's another drawing in the kit called 2410S functional schematic. This drawing has less detail, but you may find it easier to follow. Because these are blue-print size pages, I can't scan and email these to you. Third I'm assuming that your 2410S has the model 538 amplifier in it. Let's try the following basic tests: 1. Put fresh 1.6A fuse in socket with the main power off. Make sure that all selector pins are cancelled so that the mech will not try to search for a record. Turn power on. The 1.6A fuse should not blow under this condition. Turn power off and check fuse. 2. Turn power back on. Make song selection from keyboard or manually release a selector pin. The mech will run normally. Does the 1.6A fuse blow at this point? Turn off power and check. 3. If blown, install a good fuse. With power off, locate multi-conductor wiring harness from power supply chassis (the box with all the fuses) leading to amplifier chassis. At the amp chassis this wire plugs in using a 12 conductor octal socket. Disconnect the 12 pin connection. (IMPORTANT: Do this with power off--there are high voltages on these pins) Take care to not let the male pins of this plug contact steel parts of your juke or you. Turn on power, with selection made. In this mode, mech should run normally and pick up your song selection, but there will be no sound. With record on the turntable, turn off power and check 1.6A fuse. Did it blow? If no, the short is located somewhere on the amp chassis. More on this later. If the fuse did blow, more than likely one of the diodes or filter capacitors powering the amp have failed (and shorted) These parts are located inside the power supply chassis. If the fuse didn't blow, the problem is most likely on the amp chassis (chassis with the vacuum tubes) A common problem to check for is a shorted # 6973 power output tube. Your chassis has 4 of these. Plug the 12 pin connector back into the amp chassis (with power off!) and remove 1 of the 4 6973 tubes. Turn power on (with record in play position) and leave on for about a minute (time for tubes to warm up) Turn off power and check the fuse. If fuse blows, the shorted tube is still plugged in the chassis. Make this test with the remaining 3 tubes, removing one at a time. Do not power up the amp with all 4 6973 tubes removed--this could create other new problems. If one of the 6973's is shorted, the amp should run, without blowing a fuse, with 3 6973's in place. The audio should work when you try this. If the fuse continues to blow, the short lies elsewhere within your amp chassis. It's possible that one of the other tubes has shorted but it's rather unlikely. At this point you should seek assistance from an electronic technician. If it hasn't been done, there's a possibility the amp needs to be rebuilt. If your testing has shown that you have a shorted 6973 tube, that tube should be replaced. Actually, you should replace the pair of 6973 tubes in that channel for proper performance. If you are experiencing different conditions during these tests than what I've described here, you should get a technician to help you troubleshoot your problem. One of you should have the 2400 service manual on hand when you do this. Hope this helps, let me know how it works out. Jim Alexander email: jalexandercc@netzero.net. ____________________________________________________________ Click to become an artist and quit your boring job. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tu8Bi5ykVRkaxyLbasrHHp7YZywiWTkco8aZmK13VFnAOb8/ From bobe at halted.com Sat Sep 27 11:02:57 2008 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob E.) Date: Sat Sep 27 14:55:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] What causes buzz in seeburg Universal pricing unit? In-Reply-To: <20080927153926.8F6C41CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080927153926.8F6C41CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <48DE7551.4090509@halted.com> Irving Berliln wrote: > Picked up a Seeburg DS160 recently and the Universal Pricing Unit > constantly buzzes when I plug-in the the DIN plug from the leaf switches > on the coin mechanism. The coin drop mechanism was from from a Seeburg > AY jukebox. Any service suggestions for a quick fix? I have a manual > but it doesn't spell out a solution for this issue and I am rather > unskilled at diagnosing and servicing. Just as a guess, since you were in that area, I'd say you have some coin-switch leaves that are bent closed. They are very thin and easily deformed. The manual gives adjusting diagrams for them. While you are in there, check the fuses in your pricing unit to make sure they are the right value. I found one of mine (also in a DS) that had been replaced by a paper clip, and another that was replaced by a 10 amp fuse...ow! --Bob From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sat Sep 27 16:27:27 2008 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sat Sep 27 16:44:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Australian Wurlitzer 2400 Amp Message-ID: <820B7DA983FF45FF874A552E2D68F042@Graeme> I am trying to obtain a copy of the schematics for an Australian made Wurlitzer 2400 amp. The Australian amp used 6BQ5 output valves (tubes) where the US one used 6973's. Graeme Harvey From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Sat Sep 27 17:12:16 2008 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Sat Sep 27 17:13:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMP ok.. but now believe its the input. Message-ID: I just got my Amp recap and the tubes checked. I also just got new cobras. However, still no sound... only a hum. However, when I tap on the 6SJ7 tube I can hear it clearly in the speaker. I think the amp is ok. My AMP rebuilding says the hum is there because it isn't getting a signal. So I started tracing the wires from the cobras and everything seems ok. This is a Wurlitzer 1650 with the upper and lower tone arms. So also placed a jumper across the micro switch that controls the upper and lower for sound. Still nothing. Is there a way without an Oscilloscope to see if a signal is coming from the cobras? Thoughts??? From pat2355 at aol.com Sat Sep 27 17:44:39 2008 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Sat Sep 27 17:51:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] You lucky dogs --I'm probably dying soon !? In-Reply-To: <48DE7551.4090509@halted.com> References: <20080927153926.8F6C41CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <48DE7551.4090509@halted.com> Message-ID: <8CAEF1A85867CA8-288-D9A@webmail-nf17.sim.aol.com> I think my wife is testing my heart. I have 6 jukes I was looking on e-bay at children's 45 rpm records. Might be an interesting column in a juke. MY WIFE INSISTED I BUY THEM FOR WHEN WE HAVE GRANDCHILDREN !!! Keep in mind we have a 2 bdrm/1 bath 1947 fixer. Did I mention besides the 6 jukes I have watches, clocks 8,000 records, speakers, and a 1966 Mustang GT convertible(needing restoration).( Everyone else seems to have cars to brag on.) Our only son is 19 and playing the field. Yet we're buying Disney kids records. That's the fun of marriage, you never know when, or about what, you'll agree. BTW Jackie we all thing you're pretty neat because your interests stretch bounderies and match our crazy minds. Kinda tickled cause I just bought a PA set-up for my r-91 bubbler. Just yakking. Postman Pat ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From pinball at telus.net Sat Sep 27 18:24:29 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Sep 27 18:25:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Australian Wurlitzer 2400 Amp In-Reply-To: <820B7DA983FF45FF874A552E2D68F042@Graeme> References: <820B7DA983FF45FF874A552E2D68F042@Graeme> Message-ID: <48DEDCCD.7040502@telus.net> Graeme Harvey wrote: > I am trying to obtain a copy of the schematics for an Australian made Wurlitzer 2400 amp. The Australian amp used 6BQ5 output valves (tubes) where the US one used 6973's. > > Graeme Harvey > _______________________________________________ > The schematic should be the same, the only difference between the 6BQ5 and the 6973 is a jumper wire on the socket (if needed). 6BQ5 will substitute for the 6973 you see... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jeremy at dwave.net Sat Sep 27 18:44:20 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sat Sep 27 18:45:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] You lucky dogs --I'm probably dying soon !? In-Reply-To: <8CAEF1A85867CA8-288-D9A@webmail-nf17.sim.aol.com> References: <20080927153926.8F6C41CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <48DE7551.4090509@halted.com> <8CAEF1A85867CA8-288-D9A@webmail-nf17.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <20080928014327.M20129@dwave.net> Sounds like you are having a fun time indeed! Keep it up Pat Jeremy Agema On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:44:39 -0400, pat2355 wrote > I think my wife is testing my heart. I have 6 jukes I was looking on > e-bay at children's 45 rpm records. Might be an interesting column > in a juke. MY WIFE INSISTED I BUY THEM FOR WHEN WE HAVE > GRANDCHILDREN !!! Keep in mind we have a 2 bdrm/1 bath 1947 fixer. > Did I mention besides the 6 jukes I have watches, clocks 8,000 > records, speakers, and a 1966 Mustang GT convertible(needing > restoration).( Everyone else seems to have cars to brag on.) Our > only son is 19 and playing the field. Yet we're buying Disney kids > records. That's the fun of marriage, you never know when, or about > what, you'll agree. BTW Jackie we all thing you're pretty neat > because your interests stretch bounderies and match our crazy minds. > Kinda tickled cause I just bought a PA set-up for my r-91 bubbler. > Just yakking. Postman Pat > > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Sat Sep 27 18:49:37 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sat Sep 27 18:51:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMP ok.. but now believe its the input. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080928014436.M40722@dwave.net> I would use a continuity test on a multi meter and check each end of the wires (wire "A" one probe on the start and one on the end) and see if there is a connection all the way though. While a record is playing you should get a crackle or buzz if you touch the tone arm wire connection with a screw driver or your finger. CAUTION: make sure you touch the correct wire, no need to get zapped! Try it at the microswitch also. Good luck Jeremy Agema On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:12:16 -0400, Carl & Lynne Sullivan wrote > I just got my Amp recap and the tubes checked. I also just got new > cobras. However, still no sound... only a hum. However, when I > tap on the 6SJ7 tube I can hear it clearly in the speaker. I think > the amp is ok. My AMP rebuilding says the hum is there because it > isn't getting a signal. > > So I started tracing the wires from the cobras and everything seems ok. > This is a Wurlitzer 1650 with the upper and lower tone arms. So > also placed a jumper across the micro switch that controls the upper > and lower for sound. Still nothing. > > Is there a way without an Oscilloscope to see if a signal is coming > from the cobras? > > Thoughts??? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Sat Sep 27 18:57:35 2008 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Sat Sep 27 18:58:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMP ok.. but now believe its the input. In-Reply-To: <20080928014436.M40722@dwave.net> References: <20080928014436.M40722@dwave.net> Message-ID: Thanks.. I completely forget about checking the continuity. I will do that. No crackle or buzz when you touch the tone arm wire or at the microswitch. Carl On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Agema wrote: > I would use a continuity test on a multi meter and check each end of the > wires (wire "A" one probe on the start and one on the end) and see if there > is a connection all the way though. > > While a record is playing you should get a crackle or buzz if you touch the > tone arm wire connection with a screw driver or your finger. CAUTION: make > sure you touch the correct wire, no need to get zapped! > > Try it at the microswitch also. > > Good luck > > Jeremy Agema > > > > On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:12:16 -0400, Carl & Lynne Sullivan wrote > > I just got my Amp recap and the tubes checked. I also just got new > > cobras. However, still no sound... only a hum. However, when I > > tap on the 6SJ7 tube I can hear it clearly in the speaker. I think > > the amp is ok. My AMP rebuilding says the hum is there because it > > isn't getting a signal. > > > > So I started tracing the wires from the cobras and everything seems ok. > > This is a Wurlitzer 1650 with the upper and lower tone arms. So > > also placed a jumper across the micro switch that controls the upper > > and lower for sound. Still nothing. > > > > Is there a way without an Oscilloscope to see if a signal is coming > > from the cobras? > > > > Thoughts??? > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jeremy at dwave.net Sat Sep 27 19:07:23 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sat Sep 27 19:09:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMP ok.. but now believe its the input. In-Reply-To: References: <20080928014436.M40722@dwave.net> Message-ID: <20080928020622.M40711@dwave.net> Do you think something with the mech is keeping the amp on "MUTE"? Jeremy Agema On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:57:35 -0400, Carl & Lynne Sullivan wrote > Thanks.. I completely forget about checking the continuity. I will > do that. > > No crackle or buzz when you touch the tone arm wire or at the microswitch. > > Carl > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Agema wrote: > > > I would use a continuity test on a multi meter and check each end of the > > wires (wire "A" one probe on the start and one on the end) and see if there > > is a connection all the way though. > > > > While a record is playing you should get a crackle or buzz if you touch the > > tone arm wire connection with a screw driver or your finger. CAUTION: make > > sure you touch the correct wire, no need to get zapped! > > > > Try it at the microswitch also. > > > > Good luck > > > > Jeremy Agema > > > > > > > > On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:12:16 -0400, Carl & Lynne Sullivan wrote > > > I just got my Amp recap and the tubes checked. I also just got new > > > cobras. However, still no sound... only a hum. However, when I > > > tap on the 6SJ7 tube I can hear it clearly in the speaker. I think > > > the amp is ok. My AMP rebuilding says the hum is there because it > > > isn't getting a signal. > > > > > > So I started tracing the wires from the cobras and everything seems ok. > > > This is a Wurlitzer 1650 with the upper and lower tone arms. So > > > also placed a jumper across the micro switch that controls the upper > > > and lower for sound. Still nothing. > > > > > > Is there a way without an Oscilloscope to see if a signal is coming > > > from the cobras? > > > > > > Thoughts??? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Sat Sep 27 19:49:36 2008 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Sat Sep 27 19:50:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMP ok.. but now believe its the input. Message-ID: Hi Carl! The Wurlitzer cobra system uses an AM signal to send the audio to the amplifier, the cobra needle has a coil in the body that "transmits" the sound to the amp over the coax. The 6J5 tube circuit in the amplifier has a set of coils and capacitors in it that make up the other half of the AM oscillator circuit. If something is keeping it from oscillating there will be no sound. Try cleaning the cartridge base contacts and pay particular attention to the grounds on the base of the plug, no corrosion. You can use a scope with a very high impedance rf probe to see the modulation from the tone arms. But remember, no oscillation, no sound!!! Mel From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Sat Sep 27 19:59:06 2008 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Sat Sep 27 20:00:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Australian Wurlitzer 2400 Amp Message-ID: <7164866D782C4CE0A4431C8BF8D13272@VistaServer> Hey John!! You might want to look at the tube basing of the tubes you listed the 6973 is a beam power tube, and can be replaced by a 6CZ5 with a jumper installed. The 6BQ5's used in the European amps are beam power pentodes and will not work in the place of a 6973.... I have serviced several overseas Wurlitzer amps and many of the stereo amps use the 6BQ5's. Mel From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Sat Sep 27 20:24:15 2008 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Sat Sep 27 20:25:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMP ok.. but now believe its the input. In-Reply-To: <20080928020622.M40711@dwave.net> References: <20080928014436.M40722@dwave.net> <20080928020622.M40711@dwave.net> Message-ID: I have the muting plug unplug. Is there anything else? On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Jeremy Agema wrote: > Do you think something with the mech is keeping the amp on "MUTE"? > > Jeremy Agema > > On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:57:35 -0400, Carl & Lynne Sullivan wrote > > Thanks.. I completely forget about checking the continuity. I will > > do that. > > > > No crackle or buzz when you touch the tone arm wire or at the > microswitch. > > > > Carl > > > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Agema wrote: > > > > > I would use a continuity test on a multi meter and check each end of > the > > > wires (wire "A" one probe on the start and one on the end) and see if > there > > > is a connection all the way though. > > > > > > While a record is playing you should get a crackle or buzz if you touch > the > > > tone arm wire connection with a screw driver or your finger. CAUTION: > make > > > sure you touch the correct wire, no need to get zapped! > > > > > > Try it at the microswitch also. > > > > > > Good luck > > > > > > Jeremy Agema > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:12:16 -0400, Carl & Lynne Sullivan wrote > > > > I just got my Amp recap and the tubes checked. I also just got new > > > > cobras. However, still no sound... only a hum. However, when I > > > > tap on the 6SJ7 tube I can hear it clearly in the speaker. I think > > > > the amp is ok. My AMP rebuilding says the hum is there because it > > > > isn't getting a signal. > > > > > > > > So I started tracing the wires from the cobras and everything seems > ok. > > > > This is a Wurlitzer 1650 with the upper and lower tone arms. So > > > > also placed a jumper across the micro switch that controls the upper > > > > and lower for sound. Still nothing. > > > > > > > > Is there a way without an Oscilloscope to see if a signal is coming > > > > from the cobras? > > > > > > > > Thoughts??? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pinball at telus.net Sat Sep 27 21:12:34 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Sep 27 21:13:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Australian Wurlitzer 2400 Amp In-Reply-To: <7164866D782C4CE0A4431C8BF8D13272@VistaServer> References: <7164866D782C4CE0A4431C8BF8D13272@VistaServer> Message-ID: <48DF0432.2070209@telus.net> Mel Knight wrote: > Hey John!! > > You might want to look at the tube basing of the tubes you listed > the 6973 is a beam power tube, and can be replaced by a 6CZ5 with a jumper installed. > The 6BQ5's used in the European amps are beam power pentodes and will not work > in the place of a 6973.... I have serviced several overseas Wurlitzer amps and many > of the stereo amps use the 6BQ5's. Mel > ________________________________________ 6973/6CZ5 =/= 6BQ5...opps! Thanks, John :-#(# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sat Sep 27 22:41:48 2008 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sat Sep 27 22:42:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Australian Wurlitzer 2400 Amp References: <7164866D782C4CE0A4431C8BF8D13272@VistaServer> <48DF0432.2070209@telus.net> Message-ID: G'day John, For some reason my reply went direct to you and not the list. So here it is again. The Australian amp is not as complex as the typical US amp. One channel uses 12AX7 next 12AX7 & 6BQ5 x (2) On the other side 12AX7 then 12AU7 & 6BQ5 x (2). It has a solid state rectifier not a 5U4 as in the US built Wurlitzer amp. These amps were made in Australia. The transforms and all parts are Australian. The US amp is a much better made amp. Any one on the list in Australia that has the schematics for it please contact me. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Australian Wurlitzer 2400 Amp > Mel Knight wrote: >> Hey John!! >> >> You might want to look at the tube basing of the tubes you >> listed >> the 6973 is a beam power tube, and can be replaced by a 6CZ5 with a >> jumper installed. >> The 6BQ5's used in the European amps are beam power pentodes and will not >> work >> in the place of a 6973.... I have serviced several overseas Wurlitzer >> amps and many >> of the stereo amps use the 6BQ5's. Mel >> ________________________________________ > 6973/6CZ5 =/= 6BQ5...opps! > > Thanks, > > John :-#(# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call > (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Sep 28 05:40:46 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sun Sep 28 05:42:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list]Fun stuff in life References: <20080927153926.8F6C41CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <48DE7551.4090509@halted.com> <8CAEF1A85867CA8-288-D9A@webmail-nf17.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <2D364845200947DC9EE321212548CEA1@home1903> Hi Pat, the idea of an area of childrens records is just great!! I have lots of kids Christmas 45's that I put in for my grandchildren over the holidays,but I also have lots of Peter Pan Records tucked away. I have one 78rpm that was my Grandmother's called "Christine, the Christmas Tree". Has anyone ever heard of it? I've not come across anyone else that knows that record. My sisters and I sing along each Christmas, cute little song. I have to admit I am a little selfish on my Jukebox Space, it will be hard to give them too many selections, LOL I do have the Rockola set up for my adult kids, as it's the only stereo box I have with Classic Rock, they all love that music and I swap it out for them all the time. There is no need to explain why we all need so many Jukeboxes! Sooo much good music from decades, we can never have too many selections. As far as your car.........I'll swap ya? I also think all of you on the list are pretty neat, I get a smile everyday from the posts and also......information to tuck away for a rainy day. I think it's just a passion that encourages good karma between us. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] You lucky dogs --I'm probably dying soon !? > > I think my wife is testing my heart. I have 6 jukes I was looking on e-bay > at children's 45 rpm records. Might be an interesting column in a juke. MY > WIFE INSISTED I BUY THEM FOR WHEN WE HAVE GRANDCHILDREN !!! Keep in mind > we have a 2 bdrm/1 bath 1947 fixer. Did I mention besides the 6 jukes I > have watches, clocks 8,000 records, speakers, and a 1966 Mustang GT > convertible(needing restoration).( Everyone else seems to have cars to > brag on.) Our only son is 19 and playing the field. Yet we're buying > Disney kids records. That's the fun of marriage, you never know when, or > about what, you'll agree. BTW Jackie we all thing you're pretty neat > because your interests stretch bounderies and match our crazy minds. Kinda > tickled cause I just bought a PA set-up for my r-91 bubbler. Just yakking. > Postman Pat > > > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From wbabbott at verizon.net Sun Sep 28 06:06:29 2008 From: wbabbott at verizon.net (Britt Abbott) Date: Sun Sep 28 07:09:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] You lucky dogs --I'm probably dying soon !? Message-ID: <29768139.30476001222607189466.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Your wife must be an ANGEL....! Mine is close, she allows the jukes and my 1930s console and table top radios all over the house. However, if I bought an old Triumph TR3 or a Morgan, I'd be looking for another place to live. We had our old Radio collectors picnic yesterday at a members house, he had his assortment of radios plus a very nicely totally restored 1947 Chevy pick-up truck..... Love those old cars, but I gotta stop somewhere.... if it's not the room or the $$$s, it having the time to work on the stuff... Britt On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Jeremy Agema wrote: > Sounds like you are having a fun time indeed! Keep it up Pat Jeremy Agema On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:44:39 -0400, pat2355 wrote > I think my wife is testing my heart. I have 6 jukes I was looking on > e-bay at children's 45 rpm records. Might be an interesting column in > a juke. MY WIFE INSISTED I BUY THEM FOR WHEN WE HAVE GRANDCHILDREN !!! > Keep in mind we have a 2 bdrm/1 bath 1947 fixer. Did I mention besides > the 6 jukes I have watches, clocks 8,000 records, speakers, and a 1966 > Mustang GT convertible(needing restoration).( Everyone else seems to > have cars to brag on.) Our only son is 19 and playing the field. Yet > we're buying Disney kids records. That's the fun of marriage, you > never know when, or about what, you'll agree. BTW Jackie we all thing > you're pretty neat because your interests stretch bounderies and match > our crazy minds. Kinda tickled cause I just bought a PA set-up for my > r-91 bubbler. Just yakking. Postman Pat > > ttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ? > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > ? > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? From rothbear at comcast.net Sun Sep 28 08:12:13 2008 From: rothbear at comcast.net (The Roths) Date: Sun Sep 28 08:13:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Stepper Identification Message-ID: <384836EE982C48639538C730BD5906FC@home> Can anyone identify this stepper. L-5369A is stamped on the relay mounting. I can find no other information anywhere else. Please view the pictures at the links below. http://www.flickr.com/photos/24480902@N08/2894623959/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/24480902@N08/2894623895/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/24480902@N08/2895463940/ Any help is appreciated. If you need other pictures, let me know. Brian From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Sep 28 08:19:37 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Sep 28 08:38:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Stepper Identification In-Reply-To: <384836EE982C48639538C730BD5906FC@home> References: <384836EE982C48639538C730BD5906FC@home> Message-ID: <000001c9217d$9eb2b3f0$dc181bd0$@force9.co.uk> Looks like a Rowe CGA stepper. Fits any Rowe from 1963 to 1976, approx. Will work with simple modification with Wurlitzer, Seeburg, Rock-Ola or NSM wallboxes. Hope that helps, Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of The Roths Sent: 28 September 2008 16:12 To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Stepper Identification Can anyone identify this stepper. L-5369A is stamped on the relay mounting. I can find no other information anywhere else. Please view the pictures at the links below. http://www.flickr.com/photos/24480902@N08/2894623959/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/24480902@N08/2894623895/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/24480902@N08/2895463940/ Any help is appreciated. If you need other pictures, let me know. Brian _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Sun Sep 28 09:32:22 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Sep 28 09:33:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Australian Wurlitzer 2400 Amp In-Reply-To: References: <7164866D782C4CE0A4431C8BF8D13272@VistaServer> <48DF0432.2070209@telus.net> Message-ID: <48DFB196.3020808@telus.net> I expect those were built by the original Australian importer to get around import duties for complete machines. Here in Canada during the 1930's and 40's Wurlitzers were assembled by a company in Toronto (Seigal Distributing) that would then distribute them around Canada. At least here they used the same amp and parts as the US machines. So, I think you need to find if there are any records left of the original AU importer. Alternatively check your phone book under Commercial and perhaps the listing VENDING to see if any old time companies exist that still have records dating back to the 60s... John :-#)# Graeme Harvey wrote: > > G'day John, > For some reason my reply went direct to you and not the list. So > here it is again. > The Australian amp is not as complex as the typical US amp. > One channel uses 12AX7 next 12AX7 & 6BQ5 x (2) > On the other side 12AX7 then 12AU7 & 6BQ5 x (2). > It has a solid state rectifier not a 5U4 as in the US built Wurlitzer > amp. > These amps were made in Australia. The transforms and all parts are > Australian. The US amp is a much better made amp. > Any one on the list in Australia that has the schematics for it please > contact me. > Graeme Harvey > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 2:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Australian Wurlitzer 2400 Amp > > >> Mel Knight wrote: >>> Hey John!! >>> >>> You might want to look at the tube basing of the tubes >>> you listed >>> the 6973 is a beam power tube, and can be replaced by a 6CZ5 with a >>> jumper installed. >>> The 6BQ5's used in the European amps are beam power pentodes and >>> will not work >>> in the place of a 6973.... I have serviced several overseas >>> Wurlitzer amps and many >>> of the stereo amps use the 6BQ5's. Mel >>> ________________________________________ >> 6973/6CZ5 =/= 6BQ5...opps! >> >> Thanks, >> >> John :-#(# >> >> -- >> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call >> (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >> www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just >> flip out" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From rothbear at comcast.net Sun Sep 28 09:47:33 2008 From: rothbear at comcast.net (The Roths) Date: Sun Sep 28 09:48:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Stepper Identification In-Reply-To: <000001c9217d$9eb2b3f0$dc181bd0$@force9.co.uk> References: <384836EE982C48639538C730BD5906FC@home> <000001c9217d$9eb2b3f0$dc181bd0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <937F3D1EDCE14D78A7D9A6797D59C187@home> Nigel: Thanks for the reply. Is it for 100 play or 200 play wallboxes? -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Nigel Pugh Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 11:20 AM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI Stepper Identification Looks like a Rowe CGA stepper. Fits any Rowe from 1963 to 1976, approx. Will work with simple modification with Wurlitzer, Seeburg, Rock-Ola or NSM wallboxes. Hope that helps, Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of The Roths Sent: 28 September 2008 16:12 To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Stepper Identification Can anyone identify this stepper. L-5369A is stamped on the relay mounting. I can find no other information anywhere else. Please view the pictures at the links below. http://www.flickr.com/photos/24480902@N08/2894623959/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/24480902@N08/2894623895/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/24480902@N08/2895463940/ Any help is appreciated. If you need other pictures, let me know. Brian _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Sep 28 10:11:47 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Sep 28 10:13:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Stepper Identification In-Reply-To: <937F3D1EDCE14D78A7D9A6797D59C187@home> References: <384836EE982C48639538C730BD5906FC@home> <000001c9217d$9eb2b3f0$dc181bd0$@force9.co.uk> <937F3D1EDCE14D78A7D9A6797D59C187@home> Message-ID: <000001c9218d$4a3f5660$debe0320$@force9.co.uk> No problem. More than likely it is 200 selections, however, variants were available for 100 selections, or it may have been converted. If you look at the 2 paxolin wiper boards, one side will have around 20 wires attached, the other side 10 (hence 20 letters * 10 numbers = 200 selections). If there are only 10 wires each side it will be 100 selection. If it has not been modified, you can pull the cables off, and move them one along, if required, to adapt to the pulse supply of the particular wallbox you are using. I currently have one of these steppers in a Rowe JBM Tropicana, and have an NSM Consulette and Seeburg 3WA wallbox connected at the same time. Operated like this in my house for about 15 years. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of The Roths Sent: 28 September 2008 17:48 To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI Stepper Identification Nigel: Thanks for the reply. Is it for 100 play or 200 play wallboxes? -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Nigel Pugh Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 11:20 AM To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI Stepper Identification Looks like a Rowe CGA stepper. Fits any Rowe from 1963 to 1976, approx. Will work with simple modification with Wurlitzer, Seeburg, Rock-Ola or NSM wallboxes. Hope that helps, Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of The Roths Sent: 28 September 2008 16:12 To: 'Jukebox mailing list' Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Stepper Identification Can anyone identify this stepper. L-5369A is stamped on the relay mounting. I can find no other information anywhere else. Please view the pictures at the links below. http://www.flickr.com/photos/24480902@N08/2894623959/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/24480902@N08/2894623895/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/24480902@N08/2895463940/ Any help is appreciated. If you need other pictures, let me know. Brian _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rudymart at charter.net Sun Sep 28 08:53:51 2008 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Sun Sep 28 10:36:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitizer 2410 s Message-ID: <272DAF6B37D44A348E82C94CC552C6B9@luluPC> Hi jim.First let me say that i appreciate your advice.It gives me a little more insight on my jukebox. Second,i do have the manual and the amp is a 538.I followed all the steps you gave me and the end result is that it is still blowing the fuse.i guess i'll have to take it to a technician as you suggested.Thanks again. Rudy From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sun Sep 28 13:17:23 2008 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sun Sep 28 13:18:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Australian Wurlitzer 2400 Amp References: <7164866D782C4CE0A4431C8BF8D13272@VistaServer> <48DF0432.2070209@telus.net> <48DFB196.3020808@telus.net> Message-ID: <629557BCDD5F42E1BD773DCC57ACD90C@Graeme> G'day John The Government put things in place after WW2 to create jobs the 2700W also has an Australian made amp. I was hoping that one of the many Aussies on this list may have had one. Thanks for your reply. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: "Graeme Harvey" ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Australian Wurlitzer 2400 Amp >I expect those were built by the original Australian importer to get around >import duties for complete machines. > > Here in Canada during the 1930's and 40's Wurlitzers were assembled by a > company in Toronto (Seigal Distributing) that would then distribute them > around Canada. At least here they used the same amp and parts as the US > machines. > > So, I think you need to find if there are any records left of the original > AU importer. Alternatively check your phone book under Commercial and > perhaps the listing VENDING to see if any old time companies exist that > still have records dating back to the 60s... > > John :-#)# > > Graeme Harvey wrote: >> >> G'day John, >> For some reason my reply went direct to you and not the list. So here >> it is again. >> The Australian amp is not as complex as the typical US amp. >> One channel uses 12AX7 next 12AX7 & 6BQ5 x (2) >> On the other side 12AX7 then 12AU7 & 6BQ5 x (2). >> It has a solid state rectifier not a 5U4 as in the US built Wurlitzer >> amp. >> These amps were made in Australia. The transforms and all parts are >> Australian. The US amp is a much better made amp. >> Any one on the list in Australia that has the schematics for it please >> contact me. >> Graeme Harvey >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 2:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Australian Wurlitzer 2400 Amp >> >> >>> Mel Knight wrote: >>>> Hey John!! >>>> >>>> You might want to look at the tube basing of the tubes >>>> you listed >>>> the 6973 is a beam power tube, and can be replaced by a 6CZ5 with a >>>> jumper installed. >>>> The 6BQ5's used in the European amps are beam power pentodes and will >>>> not work >>>> in the place of a 6973.... I have serviced several overseas Wurlitzer >>>> amps and many >>>> of the stereo amps use the 6BQ5's. Mel >>>> ________________________________________ >>> 6973/6CZ5 =/= 6BQ5...opps! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> John :-#(# >>> >>> -- >>> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call >>> (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >>> www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just >>> flip out" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call > (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > From pinball at telus.net Sun Sep 28 13:41:58 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Sep 28 13:43:09 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Australian Wurlitzer 2400 Amp In-Reply-To: <629557BCDD5F42E1BD773DCC57ACD90C@Graeme> References: <7164866D782C4CE0A4431C8BF8D13272@VistaServer> <48DF0432.2070209@telus.net> <48DFB196.3020808@telus.net> <629557BCDD5F42E1BD773DCC57ACD90C@Graeme> Message-ID: <48DFEC16.9060703@telus.net> Graeme Harvey wrote: > > G'day John > The Government put things in place after WW2 to create jobs the 2700W > also has an Australian made amp. > I was hoping that one of the many Aussies on this list may have had one. > Thanks for your reply. > Graeme Harvey > There is (I do not why they bother) a separate list just for Wurlitzers (we get too much traffic here or on alt.collecting.juke-boxes??) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wurlitzer/join (Yahoo! ID required) John :-#)# > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" > To: "Graeme Harvey" ; "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 2:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Australian Wurlitzer 2400 Amp > > >> I expect those were built by the original Australian importer to get >> around import duties for complete machines. >> >> Here in Canada during the 1930's and 40's Wurlitzers were assembled >> by a company in Toronto (Seigal Distributing) that would then >> distribute them around Canada. At least here they used the same amp >> and parts as the US machines. >> >> So, I think you need to find if there are any records left of the >> original AU importer. Alternatively check your phone book under >> Commercial and perhaps the listing VENDING to see if any old time >> companies exist that still have records dating back to the 60s... >> >> John :-#)# >> >> Graeme Harvey wrote: >>> >>> G'day John, >>> For some reason my reply went direct to you and not the list. So >>> here it is again. >>> The Australian amp is not as complex as the typical US amp. >>> One channel uses 12AX7 next 12AX7 & 6BQ5 x (2) >>> On the other side 12AX7 then 12AU7 & 6BQ5 x (2). >>> It has a solid state rectifier not a 5U4 as in the US built >>> Wurlitzer amp. >>> These amps were made in Australia. The transforms and all parts >>> are Australian. The US amp is a much better made amp. >>> Any one on the list in Australia that has the schematics for it >>> please contact me. >>> Graeme Harvey >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 2:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Australian Wurlitzer 2400 Amp >>> >>> >>>> Mel Knight wrote: >>>>> Hey John!! >>>>> >>>>> You might want to look at the tube basing of the >>>>> tubes you listed >>>>> the 6973 is a beam power tube, and can be replaced by a 6CZ5 with >>>>> a jumper installed. >>>>> The 6BQ5's used in the European amps are beam power pentodes and >>>>> will not work >>>>> in the place of a 6973.... I have serviced several overseas >>>>> Wurlitzer amps and many >>>>> of the stereo amps use the 6BQ5's. Mel >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>> 6973/6CZ5 =/= 6BQ5...opps! >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> John :-#(# >>>> >>>> -- >>>> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call >>>> (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >>>> www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they >>>> just flip out" >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call >> (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >> www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just >> flip out" >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 13:57:08 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sun Sep 28 13:58:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422/1426 Message-ID: <886205.21082.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Just picked up a rough 1422. It has visited Mexico so no coin gear but not so important for a 1422. Yes, the grill is partially a 1426 but we hope to make it back to a 1422 if we can find the wood strip to replace the chrome. The rest looks like we might get it to work if are fortunate. The base has been replaced by a professional cabinet maker (certainly not me). This machine is a few projects back yet but it looks like fun and will allow us to save up for some new skin, buttons, Title Holder and the dreaded plating. http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-022S.JPG http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-023S.JPG http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-024S.JPG http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-025S.JPG David From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Sep 28 14:30:34 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sun Sep 28 14:31:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422/1426 References: <886205.21082.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: David, I love that!! very cool looking, how many records? Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "david wendell" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 4:57 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422/1426 > Hi, > Just picked up a rough 1422. It has visited Mexico so no coin gear but > not so important for a 1422. Yes, the grill is partially a 1426 but we > hope to make it back to a 1422 if we can find the wood strip to replace > the chrome. The rest looks like we might get it to work if are fortunate. > > The base has been replaced by a professional cabinet maker (certainly not > me). This machine is a few projects back yet but it looks like fun and > will allow us to save up for some new skin, buttons, Title Holder and the > dreaded plating. > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-022S.JPG > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-023S.JPG > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-024S.JPG > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-025S.JPG > > David > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Sep 28 14:45:31 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Sep 28 14:47:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitizer 2410 s Message-ID: <20080928.174531.24500.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Hello Rudy: Good luck in getting your tech problems solved. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uHs71Qf1VhzOAbvNCIO5mqnoNMV7v5m8XjQ2dTU2osv6w6i/ From pinball at telus.net Sun Sep 28 15:01:23 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Sep 28 15:02:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitizer 2410 s In-Reply-To: <272DAF6B37D44A348E82C94CC552C6B9@luluPC> References: <272DAF6B37D44A348E82C94CC552C6B9@luluPC> Message-ID: <48DFFEB3.1080707@telus.net> rudymart wrote: > Hi jim.First let me say that i appreciate your advice.It gives me a little more insight on my jukebox. Second,i do have the manual and the amp is a 538.I followed all the steps you gave me and the end result is that it is still blowing the fuse.i guess i'll have to take it to a technician as you suggested.Thanks again. Rudy > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Before you take it to a technician try unplugging everything from the amplifier module and try a new 1.6A fuse. If the fuse still blows then the problem is in the amp and you can send that in for repairs, otherwise unplug the machine and plug the items in - one at a time - and test after each item is plugged in to see which leads to the fuse blowing. This will help you narrow down the suspects. I assume that you are using a slo-blow fuse AND the manual does call for a 1.6A slo-blow fuse at that location. You might want to check that too... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From edbap at aol.com Sun Sep 28 15:55:36 2008 From: edbap at aol.com (Ed Baptista) Date: Sun Sep 28 16:02:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F sound problems, or lack of Message-ID: <8CAEFD474178174-14C-D9C@webmail-nc06.sysops.aol.com> I am a little baffled. I have a friend with a nice AMI F, and I cannot get any decent sound out of it.? Amp redone, and it used to play ok, now nothing from main speaker, just a small hum, and a very tinny low vol. out of horn.? Any ideas? I am not sure speaker is wired up correctly, unlike seeburgs, no plug in, but manually wired. I tried following the manual but having trouble reading diagram. Anyone with any ideas/solutions?? AMI not my strong point, obviously.? Thanks in Advance... Eddie Baptista From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 28 16:42:04 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Sep 28 16:43:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F sound problems, or lack of References: <8CAEFD474178174-14C-D9C@webmail-nc06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002701c921c3$d191c360$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Terminals 1&2 on the amp are for the volume control, 3&4 for the mute circuit. The remainder are for various speaker combinations. Use 6&8 for the machine speakers only. Clean and check the contacts on the mute relay underneath the amp. Try another cartridge if you have one. They all "used to play OK" :). Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Baptista" To: Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F sound problems, or lack of >I am a little baffled. I have a friend with a nice AMI F, and I cannot get >any decent sound out of it.? Amp redone, and it used to play ok, now >nothing from main speaker, just a small hum, and a very tinny low vol. out >of horn.? Any ideas? I am not sure speaker is wired up correctly, unlike >seeburgs, no plug in, but manually wired. I tried following the manual but >having trouble reading diagram. Anyone with any ideas/solutions?? AMI not >my strong point, obviously.? Thanks in Advance... > > > Eddie Baptista > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From aaron at vertasource.com Sun Sep 28 17:30:25 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Sun Sep 28 17:48:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F sound problems, or lack of Message-ID: <200809282030153.SM04708@[192.168.1.206]> Ed, The terminal strip on the amp has 9 lugs. 6 and 8 are used for the speakers in the cabinet. If you look on the cabinet itself, you'll see two screw terminals (brass bolts) with nuts and washers holding wires in place. The top bolt should have a green wire that runs up to the crossover. The bottom bolt should have two black wires. One runs up to the crossover, the other is a smaller wire that connects to pin 8 on the amp. Pin 6 of the amp should have a red wire running up to the crossover. While I can't promise that you'll have the same color combination as the the Fs I have in my house, you should still have the same wiring combination in there. The other problem could lie in the crossover itself....but I've see where if that's the case, you won't get any output from the horn's driver. Not sure how to test these other than hook it up and see if you get sound. I've had one of these fail in the past. You can actually take the speaker output from another amp...like a old stereo you have laying around... and hook up a speaker wire to one of the channels of the receiver. Turn the balance control on the receiver to favor whatever side you hooked up the wires to. Run the other end of the speaker wire and connect it to the two brass bolts that are on the cabinet. I mentioned those earlier. You should get some amazing sound out of the cabinet. This will test to see if the crossover and both speakers are working correctly. In fact, I've got two Fs in my shop that are used only for their speakers. Drives my neighbors crazy because they are so darn loud. The other thing to check is the muting relay that's inside the amp. When you power up the juke, you should hear a click coming from the amp as the muting relay instanly becomes energized as soon as power is applied. When a selection is made and the tone-arm hits the record, the muting relay powers down and sound gets blasted out of the cabinet. One thing that's pretty standard on the F and G series jukebox (and you're going to think I'm nuts about this) is that when the amp is unmuted, you will hear a distictive hum/tone/warm up sound that comes from the speakers for a split second. It's kind of hard to describe, but anyone who owns one of these machines should know what I'm talking about. This "sound" is a pretty good indication that the amp is unmuted and ready to rock. In fact, this has always been my indication that the amp is working correctly because you can even hear this sound coming from the speakers even if the volume is turned down. Believe me that after restoring one of these Fs and rebuilding the amp, hearing that sound a record gets played for the first time is a welcome thing. I mentioned the muting relay for another reason. Sometimes, age can take its toll on these relays...which are used throughout the jukebox. If you are brave enough, you can carefully remove the relay from the chasis of the amp (2 small screws...leave the main wires attached) and check to see if the two microscopic wires that go from the terminals to the coil on the relay are still attached. Originally, these wires - which are about the size of a human hair, are soldered to each of the terminal strips and then covered with a shellac of some kind. Over time, the shellac breaks down and one or both of the wires can break free. If this happens, the relay won't do anything. I've had this happen several times. It can be repaired, but it's a bear of a job. This is a worst case scenario but I'm throwing it out there as a possibility. The other thing to check is the cartridge on the tone-arm and its wiring. Make sure that none of the two wires from the cart have broken free. Also check the plug from the tone-arm at the amp. See that no wires have broken free. Hopefully this will point you in the right direction. Stay with it. These machines are pretty easy to work on. Aaron From jalexandercc at netzero.com Sat Sep 27 22:20:25 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.com (James Alexander) Date: Sun Sep 28 21:04:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMP ok.. but now believe its the input. Message-ID: <20080928.012025.26518.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Input circuits for Cobra phono cartridges are different and will not behave like conventional amplifier inputs, even though the wiring looks like it. Zenith Cobra cartridges form one side of an RF "tank" circuit and are fed through a 2.5 MHz oscillator circuit in the first stage of the amplifier. The impulses from the cartridge are converted to audio by a detector circuit, which are then fed to the 1rst audio stage of the amplifier. If you want to check the continuity of your tone arm/cartridge wiring, each Cobra cartridge has a coil across it's two terminals. You should be able to measure an ohms value across the pins of the cartridge (I'm not sure what that value should be) With a cartridge plugged into one tone arm, connected through the upper/lower tone arm switch, you should be able to read this same resistance value across the tip and shell of the RCA phono plug. A short or open circuit in these lines will result in no audio. If the oscillator circuit in the amp stops working, you will get no audio. From memory, I believe the oscillator tube in a 1600 amplifier is a 6J5 tube. This is a tube that is plugged into a shock mounted socket. If you touch the contacts on a "hot" Cobra phono input that is working with your finger, you may hear a pop or click, but you won't hear the 60 Hz hum like you would touching a conventional audio input. There are not any high voltages present on Cobra cartridge contacts. If you can tap on a 6SJ7 tube and hear microphonic sounds in the speaker (plus hum) this is an indfication that many stages of your amplifier are working. Possibly you will hear microphonics if you tap the 6J5 oscillator tube. Hope this helps. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get everything you need to hook up your own wireless network by clicking now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4ulMT6lx9vhkzpHAtNRAdJeUCApzTaMkt1WQKBJfFDRYUUd4/ From dave.halford at telent.com Mon Sep 29 01:36:06 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Mon Sep 29 01:37:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola stepper and wall box to a 443 Message-ID: <20080929083608.989F920F000@blade202.lb.inty.net> Hi all Recently aquired what is supposed to be a 1767 stepper and a 500 to 505 series wallbox with dreadfull chrome to go with my 443. The wall box is a 100 play, has woodgrain where the speaker grills fit (which seems to fit with the black n white repro of a 501on Hildegardes info site) but no speakers, the connector block has wiring for speakers and the personal stereo logo and volume buttons on the front. There isn't any identity plaque that I can find anywhere. I've only got as far as removing the cash box and the page unit. Should it have speakers? Is it a 501 or a 503? The stepper has a long cable with 2 plugs one is a Jones the other is the later round pin Amp type with quite a short breakout length of less than a foot. It now looks to me like it may be a 1765 as my 443 does not have a jones plug on the credit / power unit just a single round pin marked stepper. Is there a schematic somewhere for the wallbox, stepper, juke cabling setup I can get? Why 2 plugs on one cable? Are they commoned? Can anyone confirm the type number from the cable info? regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission or for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 05:35:05 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Mon Sep 29 05:36:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422/26 Message-ID: <42010.4707.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jackie and Vance, Thanks Jackie and Vance! The Rock-Olas of this age played 20 records. The plastics, when they came out of the factory, had an amazing glow and were a lot different than the machines, such as mine, we see today. I did see one with the glowing plastics years ago at the Fun Fair Coin Op Show in Pasedena, CA and I thought someone was reproducing new plastic sets. The owner told me that was how they were supposed to look (I didn't believe him). Since then I have had several pieces of NOS plastic and talked to several people who really know old jukeboxes (I sure don't). I am convinced they really did have a Magic-Glow but it disapeared with time and the exposure to flourescent lighting. I bet some people on the List can add to this. I have been told much of the glow can be returned by careful sanding, polishing. I wonder if that can be true? I need to take a better look at the grill. My quick glance when I bought this machine made me think it was all 1422 except for the chrome strip in the middle of the door which is 1426. When they come out of Mexico anything is possible. I have a completed 1422 so I will compare the doors. David From Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu Mon Sep 29 06:00:15 2008 From: Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu (Tyler, Ronald) Date: Mon Sep 29 06:02:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422/26 References: <42010.4707.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It is true. They come out a light pink and reflect beautifully. All ones I have seen are faded to yellow or orange...really ugly. Ron Tyler ________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of david wendell Sent: Mon 9/29/2008 5:35 AM To: jukebox list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422/26 Jackie and Vance, Thanks Jackie and Vance! The Rock-Olas of this age played 20 records. The plastics, when they came out of the factory, had an amazing glow and were a lot different than the machines, such as mine, we see today. I did see one with the glowing plastics years ago at the Fun Fair Coin Op Show in Pasedena, CA and I thought someone was reproducing new plastic sets. The owner told me that was how they were supposed to look (I didn't believe him). Since then I have had several pieces of NOS plastic and talked to several people who really know old jukeboxes (I sure don't). I am convinced they really did have a Magic-Glow but it disapeared with time and the exposure to flourescent lighting. I bet some people on the List can add to this. I have been told much of the glow can be returned by careful sanding, polishing. I wonder if that can be true? I need to take a better look at the grill. My quick glance when I bought this machine made me think it was all 1422 except for the chrome strip in the middle of the door which is 1426. When they come out of Mexico anything is possible. I have a completed 1422 so I will compare the doors. David _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 06:01:06 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Mon Sep 29 06:02:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422/26 In-Reply-To: <42010.4707.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <42010.4707.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690809290601v5e193ee3t3cb2edabf25d6266@mail.gmail.com> The blue paint tells me south of the border......it looks 1422 all over, except for the chrome grill, but the colours are 1422. Makes me wonder - was this machine perchance assembled in Mejico? ID tag? Will restore nicely after you get the bugs out of it :o) Jens On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:35 PM, david wendell wrote: > Jackie and Vance, > > Thanks Jackie and Vance! > > The Rock-Olas of this age played 20 records. > > The plastics, when they came out of the factory, had an amazing glow and > were a lot different than the machines, such as mine, we see today. I did > see one with the glowing plastics years ago at the Fun Fair Coin Op Show in > Pasedena, CA and I thought someone was reproducing new plastic sets. The > owner told me that was how they were supposed to look (I didn't believe > him). Since then I have had several pieces of NOS plastic and talked to > several people who really know old jukeboxes (I sure don't). I am convinced > they really did have a Magic-Glow but it disapeared with time and the > exposure to flourescent lighting. I bet some people on the List can add to > this. > > I have been told much of the glow can be returned by careful sanding, > polishing. I wonder if that can be true? > > I need to take a better look at the grill. My quick glance when I bought > this machine made me think it was all 1422 except for the chrome strip in > the middle of the door which is 1426. When they come out of Mexico anything > is possible. I have a completed 1422 so I will compare the doors. > > David > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Mon Sep 29 06:36:11 2008 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Mon Sep 29 06:43:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422/26 Message-ID: David, So glad to hear from you. I must tell the group that you and your wife made my family's dream come true when you sold us your 1422 several years ago. We have it proudly displayed in our living room and enjoy showing it off when friends come to see us. My wife still gets a kick every time the jukebox plays 'Little Bitty Pretty One' by Thurston Harris. You were certainly great to work with during that time. The best part of all is that we met some new friends! I enjoy our conversations very much and always learn something new from you every time we speak. I hope that one day we can meet and enjoy the jukes. Thanks again David for all of your support to us as new members of the jukebox world. Brantley Kuglar Williston, S.C. From steve at pro-ns.net Mon Sep 29 07:45:09 2008 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Mon Sep 29 07:46:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F sound problems, or lack of In-Reply-To: <200809282030153.SM04708@[192.168.1.206]> References: <200809282030153.SM04708@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <20080929144509.GA7604@pro-ns.net> What cartridge do you have? Re-reading your original post, I'm thinking it sounds like a bad cartridge wire. If not that, I second Aaron's vote for checking the crossover. Mine had the symptoms Aaron described (upper horn driver not working). I recommend you check the output of the crossover with another speaker or two, hooked up in place of the F's cabinet horn speakers. Personally, I simply bypassed the crossover for a split second (hooked the tweeter horn directly to the amp output), but that may have contributed to the horn driver dying a year or two later, so I no longer recommend that practce. :-( In my case there was a bad capacitor (a non-polarized electrolytic if I recall correctly). Definately, if you try another amp (any home stereo receiver will do) feeding the speaker, and another speaker fed by the AMI's amp, you'll narrow down the problem. --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net /* Halley */ (Halley's comment.) From sales at retrovinyl.co.uk Mon Sep 29 11:27:20 2008 From: sales at retrovinyl.co.uk (Retro Vinyl Records) Date: Mon Sep 29 12:18:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 3wa wallbox Message-ID: <16fd01c92261$02e5da80$55f42352@RETRO> Hi I'm trying to get a 2nd Seeburg 3WA wallbox up & running,but have minor problems with it The selection buttons are very stiff,it takes a lot of effort to push them in & only a random few selections actually play I have another set of buttons,but it looks very complicated to replace them Is there a simple way to loosen them up? 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Yes, there is a Wurlitzer Group on Yahoo! I started it a while back to chronicle my restoration of a Wurlie 1400 and a Seeburg Q. We now have about 130 members. I would like to extend a warm welcome and invitation to you to join. There are lots of interesting pictures and "jukebox journals". I think you will enjoy it. Spam filters are in place and AFAIK, we have not had any more problems in that area. We are jukebox-ationally non-denominational; Seeburgs, Rock-Olas, and others are welcome too ;-) *jukebox Jimmy Day ********************* Message: 2 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:41:58 -0700 From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Australian Wurlitzer 2400 Amp To: Graeme Harvey , Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <48DFEC16.9060703@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Graeme Harvey wrote: > > G'day John > The Government put things in place after WW2 to create jobs the 2700W > also has an Australian made amp. > I was hoping that one of the many Aussies on this list may have had one. > Thanks for your reply. > Graeme Harvey > There is (I do not why they bother) a separate list just for Wurlitzers (we get too much traffic here or on alt.collecting.juke-boxes??) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wurlitzer/join (Yahoo! ID required) From rickolis22 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 15:10:47 2008 From: rickolis22 at yahoo.com (dick brady) Date: Mon Sep 29 23:19:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 454 amplifier Message-ID: <753297.12550.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> my girlfriend has a rockola 454 jukebox. the only problem it has is the volume does not get very loud on it. sound quality seems ok, doesn't really hum or anything, but the max voume is pretty quiet. i've been keeping an eye out on ebay for another amp to try in it, no luck yet. the amplifier model is 48350-1a. i'm not an electronics expert by any means. i've been thinking about replacing all the caps in it, but my soldering isn't that great. if anybody has any ideas i would really appreciate it. thanks From jay at west.net Tue Sep 30 00:56:34 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Sep 30 00:57:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: FW: Hum on Wurltzer 1900 In-Reply-To: <75hnod$5has84@relay.skynet.be> References: <75hnod$5has84@relay.skynet.be> Message-ID: <48E1DBB2.6030808@west.net> Terry Davidson wrote: > I see that recently someone had a similar request, which made me realize > that my explanation wasn't clear enough - I do get good sound . > > I changed this below. > > Terry > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Davidson [mailto:terry@eurocom.be] > > Couple of years ago I had the amp recapped. Sounded good with > Hi-fi cartridge running through it. Back in the Wurlitzer 1900 constant hum > while disc plays ( Cobra arm pickup). > Not buzz, just constant presence of low frequency background hum which > begins when stylus hits record. Apart from that, the sound is excellent, > good bass, crisp amp performance. > Power supply is 220v (no earth) through converter to original US power. > Where do I start to get the sounds of silence : Cobra needle/cable > shielding/ voltage converter/etc Terry, The issue may be mechanical rather than electrical. With an insulated tool such as an ice-cream stick, lift the tonearm just off of the record while it's playing. If the hum stops, it is likely rumble from the motor being coupled through the turntable to the record and then the stylus. Check the motor mounts and bearings. The original 1900 Cobra setup is actually an FM modulator and not a traditional cartridge. The cartridge has a coil of wire that is part of an oscillator circuit. The stylus is coupled to a metal disk near the coil. Motion of the stylus in the groove moves the disk closer and further from the coil. This varies the inductance which shifts the frequency of the oscillator. A rudimentary FM detector in the amplifier converts the frequency shift to audio. Because of this, the hum pickup of traditional cartridges and high-gain amplifier stages isn't as big of an issue and rarely a problem. However, the Cobra setup is somewhat finicky and hard to troubleshoot, and the cartridge itself doesn't track stereo records at all well as it can't handle the variations in groove height. Because of this, many Cobra-equipped Wurlitzers have been modified to take ceramic or magnetic cartridges. This requires rewiring of the amplifier as well as the physical modification or replacement of the tonearm. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Sep 30 05:38:41 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Tue Sep 30 05:36:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Collector magazine Message-ID: <200809300838576.SM05904@[192.168.1.206]> Looking for some opinions... and please feel free to email me off the list if need be. I let my subscription to Jukebox Collector lapse around three years ago....just lost interest in everything jukeboxes for some reason. However, a recent purchase from VG had a flyer stuffed in with my order for 6 issues if you subscribe or renew. While that in itself is a nice incentive, I'm more concerned on the quality of the magazine at this point. It's been so long since I've seen a copy that I'm wondering about what's packed in the pages these days. Are there still enough articles to make it worthwhile or is it mostly ads? Is it still relatively thin? For that matter, what's the status of "Always Jukin'"? Believe it or not, I've never read a copy of that. Aaron From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 30 06:48:49 2008 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Tue Sep 30 06:50:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Collector magazine In-Reply-To: <200809300838576.SM05904@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <896687.61907.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Aaron, although I cant vouch for Jukebox Collector, but regarding Always Jukin, I find it to be a most informative publication and has some very good technical articles. There is also a section by Dr Know-it-all (Harold Hagen). he really knows his jukeboxes. It still has a fair share of adverts, but also private sales and wants lists. I would highly reccommend it. It would be interesting to see what others on the list think. Regards Gary --- On Tue, 30/9/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: > From: Aaron Heverin > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Collector magazine > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, 30 September, 2008, 1:38 PM > Looking for some opinions... and please feel free to email > me off the list if need be. I let my subscription to Jukebox > Collector lapse around three years ago....just lost interest > in everything jukeboxes for some reason. However, a recent > purchase from VG had a flyer stuffed in with my order for 6 > issues if you subscribe or renew. While that in itself is a > nice incentive, I'm more concerned on the quality of the > magazine at this point. It's been so long since I've > seen a copy that I'm wondering about what's packed > in the pages these days. Are there still enough articles to > make it worthwhile or is it mostly ads? Is it still > relatively thin? For that matter, what's the status of > "Always Jukin'"? Believe it or not, I've > never read a copy of that. > > Aaron > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Tue Sep 30 07:17:29 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Sep 30 07:18:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 454 amplifier In-Reply-To: <753297.12550.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <753297.12550.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48E234F9.90206@telus.net> dick brady wrote: > my girlfriend has a rockola 454 jukebox. the only problem it has is the volume does not get very loud on it. sound quality seems ok, doesn't really hum or anything, but the max voume is pretty quiet. i've been keeping an eye out on ebay for another amp to try in it, no luck yet. the amplifier model is 48350-1a. i'm not an electronics expert by any means. i've been thinking about replacing all the caps in it, but my soldering isn't that great. if anybody has any ideas i would really appreciate it. thanks > > Recapping these machines is a good idea, even if you found one on eBay there is no reason to expect it to work any better than yours unless recapping had been done! There are a number of jukebox repair folks listed on my web site, and a few here on this mail list and also the newsgroup "alt.collecting.juke-boxes" that you can ship the amp to and they will do the job for you. Search the archives. I am assuming that you have checked the condition of the stylus (needle) and perhaps replaced it if of unknown age... Prices vary for amplifier recaps, for example we tend to be on the high end of things at our shop plus you have shipping across a border to contend with. Here is the web page with the current list of folks that do jukebox repairs (and have asked to be on the page): http://flippers.com/jukebox_service.html Please note if you want to be added to the list (or correct/edit your listing) to simply email me with their paragraph ready to be inserted - I do not edit or compose listings for you (other than typos and make the email address less spamable. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu Tue Sep 30 10:12:50 2008 From: Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu (Tyler, Ronald) Date: Tue Sep 30 10:14:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 454 amplifier References: <753297.12550.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48E234F9.90206@telus.net> Message-ID: Have that amp rebuilt. Ron Tyler ________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of John Robertson Sent: Tue 9/30/2008 7:17 AM To: rickolis22@yahoo.com; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rockola 454 amplifier dick brady wrote: > my girlfriend has a rockola 454 jukebox. the only problem it has is the volume does not get very loud on it. sound quality seems ok, doesn't really hum or anything, but the max voume is pretty quiet. i've been keeping an eye out on ebay for another amp to try in it, no luck yet. the amplifier model is 48350-1a. i'm not an electronics expert by any means. i've been thinking about replacing all the caps in it, but my soldering isn't that great. if anybody has any ideas i would really appreciate it. thanks > > Recapping these machines is a good idea, even if you found one on eBay there is no reason to expect it to work any better than yours unless recapping had been done! There are a number of jukebox repair folks listed on my web site, and a few here on this mail list and also the newsgroup "alt.collecting.juke-boxes" that you can ship the amp to and they will do the job for you. Search the archives. I am assuming that you have checked the condition of the stylus (needle) and perhaps replaced it if of unknown age... Prices vary for amplifier recaps, for example we tend to be on the high end of things at our shop plus you have shipping across a border to contend with. Here is the web page with the current list of folks that do jukebox repairs (and have asked to be on the page): http://flippers.com/jukebox_service.html Please note if you want to be added to the list (or correct/edit your listing) to simply email me with their paragraph ready to be inserted - I do not edit or compose listings for you (other than typos and make the email address less spamable. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu Tue Sep 30 10:14:36 2008 From: Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu (Tyler, Ronald) Date: Tue Sep 30 10:16:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Collector magazine References: <200809300838576.SM05904@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: It has recently trimmed way down but the ads and Dr. Know It All continues. Still worthwhile to me. Ron Tyler ________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of Aaron Heverin Sent: Tue 9/30/2008 5:38 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Collector magazine Looking for some opinions... and please feel free to email me off the list if need be. I let my subscription to Jukebox Collector lapse around three years ago....just lost interest in everything jukeboxes for some reason. However, a recent purchase from VG had a flyer stuffed in with my order for 6 issues if you subscribe or renew. While that in itself is a nice incentive, I'm more concerned on the quality of the magazine at this point. It's been so long since I've seen a copy that I'm wondering about what's packed in the pages these days. Are there still enough articles to make it worthwhile or is it mostly ads? Is it still relatively thin? For that matter, what's the status of "Always Jukin'"? Believe it or not, I've never read a copy of that. Aaron From pinball at telus.net Tue Sep 30 13:23:49 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Sep 30 13:24:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox-guide.com is down and out? Message-ID: <48E28AD5.4050000@telus.net> Who is the owner for jukebox-guide.com? I see that it has shut down and all the data might be lost... I would like to do a rescue of that resource so if the owner happens to see this email please let me know! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From drjukebox at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 13:40:27 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Tue Sep 30 13:41:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox-guide.com is down and out? In-Reply-To: <48E28AD5.4050000@telus.net> References: <48E28AD5.4050000@telus.net> Message-ID: <3154d3690809301340t16b0f35r7896ff30cf7958c6@mail.gmail.com> He is a swedish guy, Kristian Goranson, but I never had email contact with him.He is actually an old operator. I was surprised by the energy he put into it. Maybe he ran out of steam, or perhaps he is looking for a new ISP. Jens On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:23 PM, John Robertson wrote: > Who is the owner for jukebox-guide.com? I see that it has shut down and > all the data might be lost... > > I would like to do a rescue of that resource so if the owner happens to > see this email please let me know! > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From stamann at jukebox-world.de Tue Sep 30 14:05:15 2008 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Tue Sep 30 14:07:12 2008 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?AW=3A_=5BJukebox-list=5D_Jukebox-guide=2Ecom_is_d?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?own_and_out=3F?= In-Reply-To: <3154d3690809301340t16b0f35r7896ff30cf7958c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9AA5FD47-CDD5-4240-B790-A7EA8AFDBBA0@jukebox-world.de> The Jukebox-Guide can be found at http://www.jukeboxguide.com/ I guess tha'ts what you're looking for? I do not know if this site is being updated regularly but at least the informaton are still there. Kind regards - Hildegard Stamann ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Stamann Musikboxen - Schafskamp 2 - D-27243 Klein Henstedt - www.jukebox-world.de - stamann@jukebox-world.de Tel: (++49) 04224/264, Fax: (++49) 04224-1348, Ust.Id: DE 249241577 -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Jens Hultgren Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. September 2008 22:40 An: pinball@telus.net;Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox-guide.com is down and out? He is a swedish guy, Kristian Goranson, but I never had email contact with him.He is actually an old operator. I was surprised by the energy he put into it. Maybe he ran out of steam, or perhaps he is looking for a new ISP. Jens On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:23 PM, John Robertson wrote: > Who is the owner for jukebox-guide.com? I see that it has shut down > and all the data might be lost... > > I would like to do a rescue of that resource so if the owner happens > to see this email please let me know! > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call > (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Tue Sep 30 15:19:09 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Sep 30 15:26:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Collector magazine Message-ID: Yes Always Jukin this month was trimmed way down. I sure hope the cover story with individual jukebox collectors stories and pictures returns. Jackie from this list has been on the cover. J.C. In a message dated 9/30/2008 1:17:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Ronald.Tyler@pepperdine.edu writes: It has recently trimmed way down but the ads and Dr. Know It All continues. Still worthwhile to me. Ron Tyler **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 16:19:13 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Sep 30 17:20:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox-guide.com is down and out? In-Reply-To: <3154d3690809301340t16b0f35r7896ff30cf7958c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <391874.55069.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Unfortunately it's not available on web.archive.org because it had a robots.txt file. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Sep 30 21:51:41 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Sep 30 21:54:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Collector magazine Message-ID: <20081001.005141.9662.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hello Aaron: I still maintain subscriptions to both publications. Jukebox Collector has slimmed down in size compared to two years ago, but in my opinion still has a good balance between news, tech articles and ads pertaining to the classic jukebox hobby. Until recently, Always Jukin' offered a much thicker magazine, containing many more articles and tech tips than the Collector. Beginning in August, the publisher "downsized" the magazine,due to rising costs, loss of advertising and a slight decline in subscriptions. They chose to do this rather than raise rates. I'm not aware if either mag is offered in any other media other than print-and-mail. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Start providing for your family by becoming a paralegal. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4ua3isgsYjN2h6AAFskWlUFoMr7j6VjFW72RtP00oqAov2JA/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Sep 30 22:13:31 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Sep 30 22:17:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 454 amplifier Message-ID: <20081001.011331.9662.3@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: The amplifier in the Rock Ola 454 is a 100W/ch solid state amplifier. Normally it is capable of providing sufficient volume to fill a fairly large room, with good audio didelity. Have you checked the power-tap settings of the cabinet speakers in your machine? These are located on a screw-terminal panel at the rear of the machine. A metal door needs to be opened on the back of the cabinet to gain access. Unless you are operating external speakers shoould be tapped to use the full power of the amplifier. There should be a paste-on chart on the access door explaining the taps, impedances, etc. Over the weekend, there were several of these amplifiers listed on E Bay with bids starting at $9.95. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s80aMqhPNH0L3PgzWhACIQfhN1LfhmFbyeHCLaLUt0Ed4S6/ From rudymart at charter.net Tue Sep 30 08:54:03 2008 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Wed Oct 1 01:57:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410 s Message-ID: <8AFE8760FD5E4F42B5D98720A082BF51@luluPC> tried what you told me and fuse blew each time.i then disconnected anything that went into the amp and the fuse still blew. could anything else be causing the problem? From npsyssoft at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Tue Sep 30 07:28:52 2008 From: npsyssoft at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (npsyssoft@npsyssoft.force9.co.uk) Date: Wed Oct 1 08:18:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 454 amplifier In-Reply-To: <48E234F9.90206@telus.net> References: <753297.12550.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48E234F9.90206@telus.net> Message-ID: <4969.85.158.139.99.1222784932.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Its been a while since I was involved with a 454 amp, but if it is the same as one in a 470 (I think it is), then there are two trimmer pots accessible with a small screwdriver from the front panel of the amp. One for L and one for R. I would turn these clockwise if possible, and see if that gives you more volume. If your amp has only just gone wrong then the issue is likely to be elsewhere. But if you have only just bought the machine and have never heard it loud, I would check these. Check also speaker connections in the connector block on the floor of the machine almost under the carousel, and also the cartridge and cartridge wiring. If possible try another mag cartridge input into the amp to eliminate that side of things. Unlikely to be a cartridge issue but now and then they do go duff. You can also connect a line out input across the volume control tags of this amp, which, if ok will prove that the issue is in the pre-amp part of the amp as opposed to the power amp side. (Remember to either play a record or pull the mute relay when testing this). Just a few thoughts for you to have a look at before deciding the actual amp is at fault. Regards Nigel, UK > dick brady wrote: >> my girlfriend has a rockola 454 jukebox. the only problem it has is the >> volume does not get very loud on it. sound quality seems ok, doesn't >> really hum or anything, but the max voume is pretty quiet. i've been >> keeping an eye out on ebay for another amp to try in it, no luck yet. >> the amplifier model is 48350-1a. i'm not an electronics expert by any >> means. i've been thinking about replacing all the caps in it, but my >> soldering isn't that great. if anybody has any ideas i would really >> appreciate it. thanks >> >> > Recapping these machines is a good idea, even if you found one on eBay > there is no reason to expect it to work any better than yours unless > recapping had been done! > > There are a number of jukebox repair folks listed on my web site, and a > few here on this mail list and also the newsgroup > "alt.collecting.juke-boxes" that you can ship the amp to and they will > do the job for you. Search the archives. > > I am assuming that you have checked the condition of the stylus (needle) > and perhaps replaced it if of unknown age... > > Prices vary for amplifier recaps, for example we tend to be on the high > end of things at our shop plus you have shipping across a border to > contend with. > > Here is the web page with the current list of folks that do jukebox > repairs (and have asked to be on the page): > > http://flippers.com/jukebox_service.html > > Please note if you want to be added to the list (or correct/edit your > listing) to simply email me with their paragraph ready to be inserted - > I do not edit or compose listings for you (other than typos and make the > email address less spamable. > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >