From pinball at telus.net Wed Oct 1 06:44:37 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Oct 1 06:45:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410 s In-Reply-To: <8AFE8760FD5E4F42B5D98720A082BF51@luluPC> References: <8AFE8760FD5E4F42B5D98720A082BF51@luluPC> Message-ID: <48E37EC5.6080105@telus.net> rudymart wrote: > tried what you told me and fuse blew each time.i then disconnected anything that went into the amp and the fuse still blew. could anything else be causing the problem? > > If the fuse blows when you disconnect everything to the amp then the problem is in the amplifier...and it could be almost anything - with the most likely suspect being a shorted diode, but then you can have a bad transformer, or a short in the wiring. At this point I would suggest you send the amp out for repair, this will make sure the job is done correctly - on older amps the power cord insulation is often breaking down as well as the capacitors and possibly resistors. Please quote previous messages so people can more easily follow the problem and what you have tried to do to repair it. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Oct 1 07:05:27 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Oct 1 07:07:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410 s Message-ID: <20081001.100527.853.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Hello Rudy: >From what you are describing, it sounds as if you have narrowed the short circuit down to the amplifier's power supply components (1.6A fuse blows with amplifier wiring harness disconnected) The power supply components are located in the junction box (the small chassis containing the fuses you keep replacing) The mostly likely components to fail are the diodes and capacitors that make up this full-wave rectifier and voltage doubler circuit. The safe thing to do would be to change them all out, especially if they are the aged originals. It is also possible (but less likely) that the power transformer feeding this circuit may have a shorted winding. If this is the case you'll need to find an original replacement transformer (could be expensive) You should diagnose the circuit to see what failed and why----don't start arbitrarily replacing parts. Perhaps you have the capability do this on your own, or you'll need to get tech. assistance. You never shared that info. with me. You should have the W2400 service manual schematic--you'll find it helpful. If you are going to seek outside help for this, you should take both the power supply junction box and the 538 amplifier chassis to the servicer. Hope this helps Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Learn from the comfort of your home. Choose your degree and receive a free info pak. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uI3uDh2MzNolVyBGCULt1s76qT5oBG8jlBozsQZXZNli9A6/ From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Wed Oct 1 13:25:32 2008 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Wed Oct 1 13:26:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RO 403 power supply Message-ID: <5769CDF097A041908907A13D3A15EAA2@JUKEBUS> Would anyone happen to know what HT voltage is provided by the power supply to the amp in the RO 403 Wallmount? The amp is a type 36196-A. I can see it requires 2 voltages, 6.3 for the heaters and something else for the HT. The rectifier is in the amp, so the PSU will be providing an AC voltage. I only have the amp and I need to test it on the bench before travelling to re-install it in the machine. I'm trying to do this in time for someone's birthday..... any help appreciated!! Thanks, Adrian. From stamann at jukebox-world.de Wed Oct 1 13:33:22 2008 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Wed Oct 1 13:34:37 2008 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] RO 403 power supply In-Reply-To: <5769CDF097A041908907A13D3A15EAA2@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <3768DA53-2861-4845-A1B9-E082F9414C5B@jukebox-world.de> Hello Adrian, I did check the schematic - it's 235 VAC you need next to the 6,3 Volts. Best regards - Oliver -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Juke of Shrewsbury Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2008 22:26 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: [Jukebox-list] RO 403 power supply Would anyone happen to know what HT voltage is provided by the power supply to the amp in the RO 403 Wallmount? The amp is a type 36196-A. I can see it requires 2 voltages, 6.3 for the heaters and something else for the HT. The rectifier is in the amp, so the PSU will be providing an AC voltage. I only have the amp and I need to test it on the bench before travelling to re-install it in the machine. I'm trying to do this in time for someone's birthday..... any help appreciated!! Thanks, Adrian. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Wed Oct 1 13:38:54 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Oct 1 13:40:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RO 403 power supply In-Reply-To: <5769CDF097A041908907A13D3A15EAA2@JUKEBUS> References: <5769CDF097A041908907A13D3A15EAA2@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <48E3DFDE.5050801@west.net> Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > Would anyone happen to know what HT voltage is provided by the power supply to the amp in the RO 403 Wallmount? The amp is a type 36196-A. I can see it requires 2 voltages, 6.3 for the heaters and something else for the HT. The rectifier is in the amp, so the PSU will be providing an AC voltage. I only have the amp and I need to test it on the bench before travelling to re-install it in the machine. I'm trying to do this in time for someone's birthday..... any help appreciated!! Closest I can find is a 404. These, as well as the other Rockola amps of the time like the 1493 Princess, have a voltage doubler in the amplifier. The 1493 and 404 are 150VAC from the power supply, I would expect that the 403 is similar. Is it stereo with voltage doubler, 2 x 6973 per channel, 375 V on the plates? If so, 150VAC is a pretty safe bet. The electrolytics in the voltage doublers tend to fail, this will result in way reduced plate voltage. Note that the cardboard sleeve around the large under-chassis electrolytic is there for a reason. Can negative is NOT at chassis ground potential. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Wed Oct 1 13:48:56 2008 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Wed Oct 1 13:50:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RO 403 power supply References: <3768DA53-2861-4845-A1B9-E082F9414C5B@jukebox-world.de> Message-ID: ...Thanks Oliver and Jay! It is not like the 1493 with the voltage doubler (for which I do have the schematics and a power supply), it just has a full wave rectifier, that's why I was unsure. Also for future reference, the output tubes are 6BQ5 (EL84). Thanks again both for your responses. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stamann" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:33 PM Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] RO 403 power supply Hello Adrian, I did check the schematic - it's 235 VAC you need next to the 6,3 Volts. Best regards - Oliver -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Juke of Shrewsbury Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2008 22:26 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: [Jukebox-list] RO 403 power supply Would anyone happen to know what HT voltage is provided by the power supply to the amp in the RO 403 Wallmount? The amp is a type 36196-A. I can see it requires 2 voltages, 6.3 for the heaters and something else for the HT. The rectifier is in the amp, so the PSU will be providing an AC voltage. I only have the amp and I need to test it on the bench before travelling to re-install it in the machine. I'm trying to do this in time for someone's birthday..... any help appreciated!! Thanks, Adrian. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1702 - Release Date: 01/10/2008 09:05 From rothbear at comcast.net Wed Oct 1 16:10:58 2008 From: rothbear at comcast.net (The Roths) Date: Wed Oct 1 16:12:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts on Ebay Message-ID: <97B37866BC284614B783C22E2881D5D1@home> I have put another selection of parts on Ebay. Seller ID is jukeguy26. There is even something non jukebox related for Jackie there. Think Corvair. From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Oct 2 05:52:33 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Thu Oct 2 05:54:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Weather related Juke issues? References: <97B37866BC284614B783C22E2881D5D1@home> Message-ID: Good Morning, I was wondering if anyone has ever related changes in the weather for sudden "juke" issues? We in MD have had tons of rain, then really humid, now sudden drop in temps and cool and dry, all within a week!! I have had some surgery so have been "down" all week and have been listening to my Jukes alot. Of the 5 in my house, 3 were down. Also, my Daughter has my Statesman and sounds like the cancel plunger is buzzing and she said the Juke was smoking???? I would have to go over and check that one out, not sure if she's talking about a little smoking on the switches/contacts? Anyway, the 2410 has been running perfectly for months and slowly started to sputter and then "dead in the water". I played with the Mute/Play Switch a bit, using my burnishing tool (thanks Ron!) but still no go. Then I called Mel! "Turn the motor crank, lower the arm, let the switch manually engage, then look at the center set of contacts, the outside leaf should be the one" so, that's what I did and still NO go. Mel also mentioned, as Ron has, to use a piece of wood (toothpick) to move the switch while on, so I did and THAT WAS IT!! Seems simple to most on the list, but I will never get over the excitement of having repaired my own Juke! My husband walked in from work to find me sitting behind the 2410 where I have spent so many hours and said I looked perfectly normal "back there", LOL So I can say the 2410 is running perfectly again...the Trashcan is another issue. I have a wonderful internet friend that looks for R&R 78's for me all the time for pennies, and he had sent me 6 Bill Haley & Commets, Everly Bros. "Bye Bye Love" and about 8 Peggy Lee, so you can imagine how excited I was to get them on the Trashcan and playing. So...once again, it played a record to the end, started to disengage but then shut down. If I manually turn the motor and reset it, it will take off again, but only for 1 play. Mel suggests it's the over-ride switch in the selection. Today I will try to take that apart, maybe the switches are just dirty??? there goes that burnishing tool again! The Seeburg C....that has had an on-going issue with B-side plays, I know it's the plunger and I can free it up for a few plays but then it sticks again. I had forgotten and played a B side so now its stuck on that record. I am going to take the back off, manually cancel that pin and then Mel suggested a little Nail Polish Remover dropped into the plunger (carefully protecting everything around the plunger so no over spill) and perhaps that will clean and dry out the plunger enough that I won't have to try to take it off / apart. Anyone every tried this? Seems funny these issues all came up at the same time....perhaps not the Seeburg C? Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Roths" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts on Ebay >I have put another selection of parts on Ebay. Seller ID is jukeguy26. > > > > There is even something non jukebox related for Jackie there. Think > Corvair. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rudymart at charter.net Wed Oct 1 08:56:57 2008 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Thu Oct 2 08:19:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410 s Message-ID: <04A463E267B84F5FA9A4788591F4F6C6@luluPC> jim and john,thanks again for your advice. to be honest with you.i know absolutely nothing about repairing a jukebox.i don't any thing about mechanics or electronics,but i am determined to finish this project.having said that,the last thing i did was to disconnect the safety switch near the turntable motor(i don't know what it's for since i can't find it's function in my manual).the fuse did not blow.after reading this do you feel the problem is still with the amp or power supply.if you do then i will take them to a technician.almost forgot,the switch was wired to normally open and common. rudy From jay at west.net Thu Oct 2 08:36:39 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Oct 2 08:37:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410 s In-Reply-To: <04A463E267B84F5FA9A4788591F4F6C6@luluPC> References: <04A463E267B84F5FA9A4788591F4F6C6@luluPC> Message-ID: <48E4EA87.5030504@west.net> rudymart wrote: > jim and john,thanks again for your advice. to be honest with you.i know absolutely nothing about repairing a jukebox.i don't any thing about mechanics or electronics,but i am determined to finish this project.having said that,the last thing i did was to disconnect the safety switch near the turntable motor(i don't know what it's for since i can't find it's function in my manual).the fuse did not blow.after reading this do you feel the problem is still with the amp or power supply.if you do then i will take them to a technician.almost forgot,the switch was wired to normally open and common. rudy The safety switch is there to shut the machine down if a record gets stuck during transfer and the carousel starts to rotate. Disconnecting it removes power to everything except maybe the lights. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pinball at telus.net Thu Oct 2 08:38:11 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Oct 2 08:39:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410 s In-Reply-To: <04A463E267B84F5FA9A4788591F4F6C6@luluPC> References: <04A463E267B84F5FA9A4788591F4F6C6@luluPC> Message-ID: <48E4EAE3.1000808@telus.net> rudymart wrote: > jim and john,thanks again for your advice. to be honest with you.i know absolutely nothing about repairing a jukebox.i don't any thing about mechanics or electronics,but i am determined to finish this project.having said that,the last thing i did was to disconnect the safety switch near the turntable motor(i don't know what it's for since i can't find it's function in my manual).the fuse did not blow.after reading this do you feel the problem is still with the amp or power supply.if you do then i will take them to a technician.almost forgot,the switch was wired to normally open and common. rudy > _______________________________________________ > Hi Rudy, Well, actually you should not remove the safety switch...its job is to cut power to the machine if a record jams. I'm not surprised that the fuse is no longer blowing as you have turned off the power! The safety switch is directly wired to the line power so be careful where the wires are now that you have disconnected it... As you admit to knowing nothing about electronics or mechanics I recommend that you do not attempt to make changes to the machine without first posting what your intention is so we can advise you. Otherwise you can make matters far worse. Where do you live? Perhaps someone with more experience can help you, but I do suggest that you do not try to disable anything else. The service manual would help ALWAYS quoting from previous messages will help as I (and others) do not want to review previous posts to try and remember where we are in helping you out. Have you checked my jukebox service page to see if anyone that fixes machines lives nearby? http://flippers.com/jukebox_service.html John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Oct 2 10:53:11 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Oct 2 10:56:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410 s Message-ID: <20081002.135311.25610.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Hello Rudy: The turntable safety switch that you disabled will shut off the primary power to the amplifier's power supply. This is why the 1.6A fuse is not blowing. The purpose for the safety switch is to shut down the jukebox in the event that a record does not load properly during a change cycle. >From what you've described to me (and to John Robertson) in your previous emails, you've had a circuit failure within your amplifier that is drawing too much current. This is why the fuse blows. The parts failure, based upon the tests,steps, and disconnections in our earlier emails tends to narrow the problem down to the amplifiers' power supply components that are located on the small chassis. (the box with the fuses on it) What you need to tell the servicer is that you have a short in the B+ circuit. Without test equipment and electronic tech skills, I think you've gone as far as you can on your own. If you are operating your 2410-S amplifier with all the original capacitors, etc still in place, you should consider having the amp rebuilt, as opposed to troubleshooting/repairing only the short circuit you are dealing with. With a one-of-a-kind piece of electronics that is 50+ years old, you will spend more money and aggravation trying to address tech. problems like this on a "brick by brick" basis. Using a holistic approach (i.e. rebuilding the amp) will cost more initially,(usually $300 or less in the US) but will be cheaper in the long run. This is often referred to as a "cap job" because most of the capacitors in the unit get replaced. Capacitors tend to deteriorate over time and drift off of value. The shelf life of modern capacitors is typically 15 years. As the caps gradually go bad, the sound quality of the amp will deteriorate and can cause circuits to "blow",taking out other parts in the process. When you re-cap the amp, you are spinning the clock back to 1960 for the operation of your amp. Other parts get repaired or replaced on an "as-needed" basis. I strongly suggest that you don't attempt to solve your tech problems by arbitrarily experimenting with wiring and circuits. You could either cause some collateral damage to your 2400 or give yourself an electrical shock. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Write, shoot, direct, edit your own movies. Click here to request information. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s2oWaSqDAsEM0FrqgfJOhrLFdZN09dad5ya0OxWAT4Y9rvo/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Oct 2 11:03:55 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Oct 2 11:07:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Weather related Juke issues? Message-ID: <20081002.140355.25610.1@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Weather can have an effect on jukebox operation, especially high humidity rather than temperature. Humidity can lead to contact corrosion, forming of rust spots,etc. and electrical conductivity (through moisture) in areas where surfaces need to be dry. I notice that most of the issues you're describing here seem to be mechanically-related and that does happen. Dampness can create havoc in later model digital and tormat circuitry as well. It'll probably help prolong the life of your Wurlitzer jukes by keeping a dehumidifier in the room. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right business program for you and take your career to the next level. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s24hKRCDL44tyBXYJL0El8eU2XbNGgbp9xCA0nAWUpevjwa/ From bobfav at cox.net Thu Oct 2 11:13:10 2008 From: bobfav at cox.net (bobfav@cox.net) Date: Thu Oct 2 11:14:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Model 24 In-Reply-To: <20081001190004.1F826AAAE2@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <20081002141310.VRKE0.109067.imail@eastrmwml48> Hi Guys (and Jackie!) Hope someone can help me with my model 24. First, does anyone have a titleboard assembly that they can send me a photo of? My machine has been apart for 15 years, and we cannot find the titleboard. Having a good photo of what it looks like out of the machine might help. Does anyone know where I can buy a complete titlebpard assembly for a model 24? It is almost together, so I want to get this done once and for all. 15 years is long enough. Bob From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Oct 2 12:50:37 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Thu Oct 2 12:55:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts on Ebay References: <97B37866BC284614B783C22E2881D5D1@home> Message-ID: <0AADCFD6D9B0420FA8C7BFB2975CFA38@home1903> Hi there, I am not sure how to look up "jukeguy26" on ebay, duh...I must be doing/not doing something wrong, LOL Help! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Roths" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts on Ebay >I have put another selection of parts on Ebay. Seller ID is jukeguy26. > > > > There is even something non jukebox related for Jackie there. Think > Corvair. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Thu Oct 2 12:56:26 2008 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Thu Oct 2 13:12:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts on Ebay In-Reply-To: <0AADCFD6D9B0420FA8C7BFB2975CFA38@home1903> References: <97B37866BC284614B783C22E2881D5D1@home> <0AADCFD6D9B0420FA8C7BFB2975CFA38@home1903> Message-ID: You're not the only one Jackie. Thanks for asking this question! -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of etreble7 Sent: 2008, October, 02 3:51 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Parts on Ebay Hi there, I am not sure how to look up "jukeguy26" on ebay, duh...I must be doing/not doing something wrong, LOL Help! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Roths" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts on Ebay >I have put another selection of parts on Ebay. Seller ID is jukeguy26. > > > > There is even something non jukebox related for Jackie there. Think > Corvair. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. 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From klaba at klaba.net Thu Oct 2 13:06:26 2008 From: klaba at klaba.net (Klaba) Date: Thu Oct 2 13:17:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts on Ebay In-Reply-To: <0AADCFD6D9B0420FA8C7BFB2975CFA38@home1903> References: <97B37866BC284614B783C22E2881D5D1@home> <0AADCFD6D9B0420FA8C7BFB2975CFA38@home1903> Message-ID: <48E529C2.4090102@klaba.net> Hi advanced search --> search member -Klaba- etreble7 kirjoitti: > Hi there, > I am not sure how to look up "jukeguy26" on ebay, duh...I must be > doing/not doing something wrong, LOL Help! > Jackie > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Roths" > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:10 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts on Ebay > > >> I have put another selection of parts on Ebay. Seller ID is jukeguy26. >> >> >> >> There is even something non jukebox related for Jackie there. Think >> Corvair. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ccos at knology.net Thu Oct 2 13:23:18 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Thu Oct 2 13:24:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts on Ebay References: <97B37866BC284614B783C22E2881D5D1@home> <0AADCFD6D9B0420FA8C7BFB2975CFA38@home1903> Message-ID: <04A9FF5666D446BBAA1C51F2461A8BA6@home31b34d4856> Here is one of his items: http://cgi.ebay.com/Gottlieb-Top-Score-Pinball-Schematic-Installation-Instr_W0QQitemZ190255625170QQihZ009QQcategoryZ13726QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Once there, just click on "View Seller's Other Items" Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "etreble7" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Parts on Ebay > Hi there, > I am not sure how to look up "jukeguy26" on ebay, duh...I must be > doing/not doing something wrong, LOL Help! > Jackie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Roths" > To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:10 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts on Ebay > > >>I have put another selection of parts on Ebay. Seller ID is jukeguy26. >> >> >> >> There is even something non jukebox related for Jackie there. Think >> Corvair. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From jrutoskey at yahoo.com Thu Oct 2 15:07:13 2008 From: jrutoskey at yahoo.com (Automatic Music) Date: Thu Oct 2 15:15:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeking Plastics for Wurlitzer 1500 Message-ID: <756547.63124.qm@web39707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am looking for the Left Side Dome Plastic for a Wurlitzer 1500. Also, I'd be interested in the pilasters and valance, but finding these in uncracked, non-faded condition will be difficult, I'm sure. ? I'd also like to find that?unusual stamped and lithographed?business card holder that many 1500's had. ? John D. Rutoskey Automatic Music Machines Baltimore, Maryland From Jjmscf at aol.com Thu Oct 2 16:48:32 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Thu Oct 2 16:54:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Weather related Juke issues? Message-ID: Yeah. I think any kind of sticky lube or weak caps act up during the colder weather.Its 60 degrees in my house right now but too early to turn on the heat.In fact with the price of oil this year I'm leaving the breaker on the furnace off as long as I can stand it. I just put on a sweater but my 1 juke that hasn't had the teardown,full cleaning and relubed is acting up luke crazy.My HSC1. It took 8 reject attempts to get it to put a record away and stop last night. My Magnavox console stereo is having reject issues also. I have to manually reject it instead of the automatic reject.Not good for the needle when it's stuck at the end of a 78 repeating the leadout groove waiting for me to run over and then it takes 3 or 4 attempts to get it to cycle.I have taken it down and relubed it before but I used GC lubriplate and apparently it's too thick when the temps drop below the 70s. When it got warm again the problems went away but now it's back to colder weather. Time to break out the oil can. And on the cap issue I got a free 42" Plasma tv this summer that only didn't come on sometimes.Yes they have come down in price enough that the well to do are replacing them at the first out of warranty problem.It played perfect all summer while it was hot. As the evenings started getting colder it took a few attempts to get it on. Tonight I tried 20 times and no go so I know I got some bad caps.The heat is a big issue with Plasma tvs.It's hard on electronics especially electrolytic capacitors crammed next to heat sinks that get nearly as hot as vacumn tubes on the circuit boards.They use more electricity than a 50s jukebox cranked up high or a 60s all tube color tv. Dried up electrolytic capacitors continue to work marginally when they're hot but when they are cold they don't work so good. I missed bidding on something n.o.s for my 2510 on ebay playing with the tv tonight.GRRRRR!!!! But I was putting off because I have to unhook everything,take it down and take out about 40 + screws before I can even get at the innards unlike a juke where we roll it away from the wall, turn the key and unlock the back or front to get at the innards.So it had to be at the point where it refused to come on because before once it was on before you couldn't make it act up. J.C. In a message dated 10/2/2008 8:54:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: Good Morning, I was wondering if anyone has ever related changes in the weather for sudden "juke" issues? We in MD have had tons of rain, then really humid, now sudden drop in temps and cool and dry, all within a week!! I have had some surgery so have been "down" all week and have been listening to my Jukes alot. Of the 5 in my house, 3 were down. Also, my Daughter has my Statesman and sounds like the cancel plunger is buzzing and she said the Juke was smoking???? I would have to go over and check that one out, not sure if she's talking about a little smoking on the switches/contacts? Anyway, the 2410 has been running perfectly for months and slowly started to sputter and then "dead in the water". I played with the Mute/Play Switch a bit, using my burnishing tool (thanks Ron!) but still no go. Then I called Mel! "Turn the motor crank, lower the arm, let the switch manually engage, then look at the center set of contacts, the outside leaf should be the one" so, that's what I did and still NO go. Mel also mentioned, as Ron has, to use a piece of wood (toothpick) to move the switch while on, so I did and THAT WAS IT!! Seems simple to most on the list, but I will never get over the excitement of having repaired my own Juke! My husband walked in from work to find me sitting behind the 2410 where I have spent so many hours and said I looked perfectly normal "back there", LOL So I can say the 2410 is running perfectly again...the Trashcan is another issue. I have a wonderful internet friend that looks for R&R 78's for me all the time for pennies, and he had sent me 6 Bill Haley & Commets, Everly Bros. "Bye Bye Love" and about 8 Peggy Lee, so you can imagine how excited I was to get them on the Trashcan and playing. So...once again, it played a record to the end, started to disengage but then shut down. If I manually turn the motor and reset it, it will take off again, but only for 1 play. Mel suggests it's the over-ride switch in the selection. Today I will try to take that apart, maybe the switches are just dirty??? there goes that burnishing tool again! The Seeburg C....that has had an on-going issue with B-side plays, I know it's the plunger and I can free it up for a few plays but then it sticks again. I had forgotten and played a B side so now its stuck on that record. I am going to take the back off, manually cancel that pin and then Mel suggested a little Nail Polish Remover dropped into the plunger (carefully protecting everything around the plunger so no over spill) and perhaps that will clean and dry out the plunger enough that I won't have to try to take it off / apart. Anyone every tried this? Seems funny these issues all came up at the same time....perhaps not the Seeburg C? 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(http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From rudymart at charter.net Thu Oct 2 14:23:17 2008 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Thu Oct 2 17:13:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s Message-ID: <5580827C32644C15B5CAEDAF52B481F4@luluPC> jim,john and jay . thanks for the info on the safety switch.as for the amp,i wll take it and the power supply to an expierenced tech to have them checked out and repaired if necessary.i went to john's website concerning repairmen.since i live in ft.worth texas,i will take it to the place in burleson texas. i will update you when i reinstall the amp and the p. s. to let you know how things work out.thanks again. rudy From Jjmscf at aol.com Thu Oct 2 17:22:07 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Thu Oct 2 17:30:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Model 24 Message-ID: Try Bill Butterfield at _www.juebox-parts.com_ (http://www.juebox-parts.com) . I recently got a left titleholder for a 24 off of him. He had several Wurlitzer 24 parts. If you need ay pictures of the titleholders themselves email me off list.The actual titleholders themselves are pot metal castings with slots for 1-10 on the left one and only the very top and bottom ones on the right side of that holder for nos.11 and 12 .The right is a mirror image of the left with 13 and 14 and a big gap between them and then 15-24.A thumbscrew holds each at the top.The titleboard they sit behind is red with gold half circles with black numbers in them. Which are you missing? J.C. In a message dated 10/2/2008 2:14:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bobfav@cox.net writes: Hi Guys (and Jackie!) Hope someone can help me with my model 24. First, does anyone have a titleboard assembly that they can send me a photo of? My machine has been apart for 15 years, and we cannot find the titleboard. Having a good photo of what it looks like out of the machine might help. Does anyone know where I can buy a complete titlebpard assembly for a model 24? It is almost together, so I want to get this done once and for all. 15 years is long enough. Bob **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From rudymart at charter.net Thu Oct 2 13:43:31 2008 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Thu Oct 2 18:19:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s Message-ID: jim john and jay,as per your advice i will take the amp to a pro and have it checked out. i will also take the the power supply to have it checked out.i live in fort worth texas near buleson and will take it there. thanks again. rudy From rudymart at charter.net Thu Oct 2 15:41:57 2008 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Thu Oct 2 18:19:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s Message-ID: <365243F2320D4722A520F25190530EBB@luluPC> guys thanks for the info on the safety switch.as for the amp, i will be taking it and the power supply to a jukebox tech. i will update you when i reinstall them. thanks again rudy From bobfav at cox.net Fri Oct 3 06:34:39 2008 From: bobfav at cox.net (bobfav@cox.net) Date: Fri Oct 3 06:35:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Great Record Shop In-Reply-To: <20081002190003.C67DEAAEC6@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <20081003093439.IH3L9.119263.imail@eastrmwml48> Hi Juke Friends Years ago I would tend to "hoard" some of my great connections for collectibles but now we are all in a survival mode and I am anxious to share. One of the last truly great record shops in the country is in Rochester NY. I met Tom about 15 years ago when there on business and we instantly became friends. The Bop Shop is a step back in time and a place that all Jukers should know about. Guys like Tom need our support to stay alive, and each of us just picking up a couple of small items will be a big help. And if you could ever get to Rochester, plan a DAY - the place is incredible. Now that he is focussing on online sales, you all get a chance to experience the vinly pleasure that I have. Please tell him that Bob from RI sent you!!! >>> Hey everybody! We?re happy to say we?re very close to unveiling our new online store. We?ll have the same website address, but the store will have improved search capabilities and a great new look. We are very excited about this. In the meantime we?ve added 200 more great LPs to the existing site! Just click "show items added to our catalog in the last 60 days" to shop. We?ve been finding incredible stuff lately and bringing new records to the store nearly everyday and there's lots more to come! All speeds -- 45s, 78s and LPs -- and tons of used CDs as well. Tom is also starting the slow process of liquidating a substantial portion his own personal collection of over 30,000 records that he has amassed over the past 40 years. There's some pretty amazing things coming in and all of it is in stunning condition. Thanks very much and we?ll be in touch to announce the launching of our new website very soon! Vinyl Lives!!! The Bop Shop - Village Gate Square - 274 North Goodman Street - Rochester - NY - 14607 - 585.271.3354 www.Bopshop.com From tjmertz at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 3 09:02:06 2008 From: tjmertz at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Mertz) Date: Fri Oct 3 09:09:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Great Record Shop In-Reply-To: <20081003093439.IH3L9.119263.imail@eastrmwml48> Message-ID: <211835.1238.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll put in a plug for a store owned by a friend and former co-worker, Dave's Records (aka momandpopmusic), Chicago. ? ?http://www.davesrecordschicago.com/index.html ? Tell'm TJ sent you. Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocates for Madison Public Schools Community and Schools Together --- On Fri, 10/3/08, bobfav@cox.net wrote: From: bobfav@cox.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] Great Record Shop To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 8:34 AM Hi Juke Friends Years ago I would tend to "hoard" some of my great connections for collectibles but now we are all in a survival mode and I am anxious to share. One of the last truly great record shops in the country is in Rochester NY. I met Tom about 15 years ago when there on business and we instantly became friends. The Bop Shop is a step back in time and a place that all Jukers should know about. Guys like Tom need our support to stay alive, and each of us just picking up a couple of small items will be a big help. And if you could ever get to Rochester, plan a DAY - the place is incredible. Now that he is focussing on online sales, you all get a chance to experience the vinly pleasure that I have. Please tell him that Bob from RI sent you!!! >>> Hey everybody! We?re happy to say we?re very close to unveiling our new online store. We?ll have the same website address, but the store will have improved search capabilities and a great new look. We are very excited about this. In the meantime we?ve added 200 more great LPs to the existing site! Just click "show items added to our catalog in the last 60 days" to shop. We?ve been finding incredible stuff lately and bringing new records to the store nearly everyday and there's lots more to come! All speeds -- 45s, 78s and LPs -- and tons of used CDs as well. Tom is also starting the slow process of liquidating a substantial portion his own personal collection of over 30,000 records that he has amassed over the past 40 years. There's some pretty amazing things coming in and all of it is in stunning condition. Thanks very much and we?ll be in touch to announce the launching of our new website very soon! Vinyl Lives!!! The Bop Shop - Village Gate Square - 274 North Goodman Street - Rochester - NY - 14607 - 585.271.3354 www.Bopshop.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rh324 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 2 11:21:54 2008 From: rh324 at earthlink.net (Ray Hughes) Date: Fri Oct 3 09:17:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Performer Grand II Question Message-ID: <48E51142.3040608@earthlink.net> just got an NSM performer grand II can u tell me what the key in back next to the vol control is for... been trying to find a manual but no luck many thanks Ray From bbinelli at msn.com Thu Oct 2 11:54:36 2008 From: bbinelli at msn.com (bruno binelli) Date: Fri Oct 3 09:17:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: have Seeburg Selectomatic Library Unit 200LU1 for sale. any respectful offer will be considered. unit in good condition . _________________________________________________________________ From bbinelli at msn.com Thu Oct 2 11:53:32 2008 From: bbinelli at msn.com (bruno binelli) Date: Fri Oct 3 09:17:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: have Seeburg Selectomatic Library Unit 200LU1 for sale. any respectful offer will be considered. unit in good condition . _________________________________________________________________ From pinball at telus.net Fri Oct 3 09:26:39 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Oct 3 09:27:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Great Record Shop In-Reply-To: <211835.1238.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <211835.1238.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48E647BF.3000902@telus.net> Obviously we need a page of record shops as well as jukebox service locations....I'll add these two to my Jukebox service support page, and please either post them here or send me an email with details... http://flippers.com/jukebox_service.html John :-#)# Thomas Mertz wrote: > I'll put in a plug for a store owned by a friend and former co-worker, Dave's Records (aka momandpopmusic), Chicago. > > http://www.davesrecordschicago.com/index.html > > Tell'm TJ sent you. > > > Thomas J. Mertz > Department of History > Edgewood College > tjmertz@sbcglobal.net > > Advocates for Madison Public Schools > Community and Schools Together > > --- On Fri, 10/3/08, bobfav@cox.net wrote: > > From: bobfav@cox.net > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Great Record Shop > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 8:34 AM > > Hi Juke Friends > > Years ago I would tend to "hoard" some of my great connections for > collectibles but now we are all in a survival mode and I am anxious to share. > One of the last truly great record shops in the country is in Rochester NY. I > met Tom about 15 years ago when there on business and we instantly became > friends. The Bop Shop is a step back in time and a place that all Jukers should > know about. Guys like Tom need our support to stay alive, and each of us just > picking up a couple of small items will be a big help. And if you could ever > get to Rochester, plan a DAY - the place is incredible. Now that he is > focussing on online sales, you all get a chance to experience the vinly pleasure > that I have. Please tell him that Bob from RI sent you!!! >>> > > Hey everybody! > We?re happy to say we?re very close to unveiling our new online store. > We?ll have the same website address, but the store will have improved search > capabilities and a great new look. We are very excited about this. > > In the meantime we?ve added 200 more great LPs to the existing site! Just > click "show items added to our catalog in the last 60 days" to shop. > We?ve been finding incredible stuff lately and bringing new records to the > store nearly everyday and there's lots more to come! All speeds -- 45s, 78s > and LPs -- and tons of used CDs as well. > > Tom is also starting the slow process of liquidating a substantial portion his > own personal collection of over 30,000 records that he has amassed over the past > 40 years. There's some pretty amazing things coming in and all of it is in > stunning condition. > > Thanks very much and we?ll be in touch to announce the launching of our new > website very soon! > Vinyl Lives!!! The Bop Shop - Village Gate Square - 274 North Goodman > Street - Rochester - NY - 14607 - 585.271.3354 www.Bopshop.com > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 3 10:04:44 2008 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Fri Oct 3 10:06:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Performer Grand II Question In-Reply-To: <48E51142.3040608@earthlink.net> References: <48E51142.3040608@earthlink.net> Message-ID: hi, that's the free play key. if in the on position, it allows you to enter that part of the computers programming to set this feature (if off, you are locked out). If you don't have this key (depending on the es version), you will either have to jump the terminals or just disconnect one wire from the key switch. On my performer classic (ES5), I had to disconnect a wire. Rick. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Hughes To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Performer Grand II Question just got an NSM performer grand II can u tell me what the key in back next to the vol control is for... been trying to find a manual but no luck many thanks Ray _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Oct 3 13:06:41 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Oct 3 13:07:51 2008 Subject: Fw: Re: [Jukebox-list] Great Record Shop Message-ID: <971850.89825.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> John, and All, The Ads in Alwaysjukin mag. list several places to purchase records. I would suggest that we should support the magazine and those that advertise in it. For those of you that never have seen it, you can go to www.alwaysjukin.com . I beleive that a free sample?"download" copy can be had, if requested. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 10/3/08, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Great Record Shop To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 9:26 AM Obviously we need a page of record shops as well as jukebox service locations....I'll add these two to my Jukebox service support page, and please either post them here or send me an email with details... http://flippers.com/jukebox_service.html John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Oct 3 16:50:29 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Oct 3 16:52:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Great Record Shop Message-ID: <20081003.195029.25253.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Since the subject of great record shops came up, I'd like to share two that I'm aware of. The first one, is another old-time Chicago, IL. based business. These folks have put together a good website and on-line shopping site along with maintaining their store if you're near Chicago. They have a very large inventory of both original issue and new reissue 45's. They have a jukebox club which offers special discounts to club members. Beverly Records 11612 South Western Chicago IL 60643 PH 773 779 0066 web: www.beverly records.com email: (Randy) info@beverlyrecords.com the second record shop in Atlanta, GA. is Fantasyland Records. Fantasyland specializes in sales of original issue records, CD's tapes, posters, etc. They also do a lot of buying of record collections, old store and jukebox operator inventory, etc. This shop in Buckhead Ga (an Atlanta in town suburb) is in a former A & P supermarket building, and it's crammed to the hilt with inventory. Unfortunately, the owner has not set up a website or an on-line shopping site, but you may want to visit here if you're coming to Atlanta. Allow some time--it's a unique experience. They are open six days a week, closed on Sunday. Fantasyland Records 2839 Peachtree Rd NE. Atlanta GA 30305 PH 404 237 3193 JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for a free search to find an interior design school near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGm7cmUQc2QCFQrutB3xGuMKcmGQCHOPiDrtyrCo5OtaZXY/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Oct 3 16:52:58 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Oct 3 16:54:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Great Record Shop Message-ID: <20081003.195258.25253.2@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Since the subject of great record shops came up, I'd like to share two that I'm aware of. The first one, is another old-time Chicago, IL. based business. These folks have put together a good website and on-line shopping site along with maintaining their store if you're near Chicago. They have a very large inventory of both original issue and new reissue 45's. They have a jukebox club which offers special discounts to club members. Beverly Records 11612 South Western Chicago IL 60643 PH 773 779 0066 web: www.beverly records.com email: (Randy) info@beverlyrecords.com the second record shop in Atlanta, GA. is Fantasyland Records. Fantasyland specializes in sales of original issue records, CD's tapes, posters, etc. They also do a lot of buying of record collections, old store and jukebox operator inventory, etc. This shop in Buckhead Ga (an Atlanta in town suburb) is in a former A & P supermarket building, and it's crammed to the hilt with inventory. Unfortunately, the owner has not set up a website or an on-line shopping site, but you may want to visit here if you're coming to Atlanta. Allow some time--it's a unique experience. They are open six days a week, closed on Sunday. Fantasyland Records 2839 Peachtree Rd NE. Atlanta GA 30305 PH 404 237 3193 JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get a life insurance quote online. Click to compare rates and save. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vd0Mwz0Yly9o6FlG76Aexng5JnyroYPiUNQVpDqAlHdZMUe/ From raker at knology.net Fri Oct 3 17:18:00 2008 From: raker at knology.net (Robert Aker) Date: Fri Oct 3 17:26:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Great Record Shop References: <20081003093439.IH3L9.119263.imail@eastrmwml48> Message-ID: <001c01c925b6$acccd370$0301a8c0@desktop> I am lucky we have a great record shop ahere i live in St. Petersburg FL. They have thousands of 78s, 45, 33s, tapes. his website is http://www.musicfinder.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Great Record Shop Hi Juke Friends Years ago I would tend to "hoard" some of my great connections for collectibles but now we are all in a survival mode and I am anxious to share. One of the last truly great record shops in the country is in Rochester NY. I met Tom about 15 years ago when there on business and we instantly became friends. The Bop Shop is a step back in time and a place that all Jukers should know about. Guys like Tom need our support to stay alive, and each of us just picking up a couple of small items will be a big help. And if you could ever get to Rochester, plan a DAY - the place is incredible. Now that he is focussing on online sales, you all get a chance to experience the vinly pleasure that I have. Please tell him that Bob from RI sent you!!! >>> Hey everybody! We?re happy to say we?re very close to unveiling our new online store. We?ll have the same website address, but the store will have improved search capabilities and a great new look. We are very excited about this. In the meantime we?ve added 200 more great LPs to the existing site! Just click "show items added to our catalog in the last 60 days" to shop. We?ve been finding incredible stuff lately and bringing new records to the store nearly everyday and there's lots more to come! All speeds -- 45s, 78s and LPs -- and tons of used CDs as well. Tom is also starting the slow process of liquidating a substantial portion his own personal collection of over 30,000 records that he has amassed over the past 40 years. There's some pretty amazing things coming in and all of it is in stunning condition. Thanks very much and we?ll be in touch to announce the launching of our new website very soon! Vinyl Lives!!! The Bop Shop - Village Gate Square - 274 North Goodman Street - Rochester - NY - 14607 - 585.271.3354 www.Bopshop.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Oct 3 21:01:09 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Oct 3 21:02:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <262457.91274.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 10/2/08, bruno binelli wrote: > have Seeburg Selectomatic Library Unit 200LU1 for sale. any > respectful offer will be considered. unit in good condition based on the information youve given and assuming that you can deliver it to the Seattle area I offer $25. From jugert at msn.com Sat Oct 4 08:53:57 2008 From: jugert at msn.com (jugert@msn.com) Date: Sat Oct 4 09:02:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Great Record Shop In-Reply-To: <971850.89825.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <971850.89825.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My 2 cents worth, I cannot & will not support AlwaysJukin... I had an issue with AJ years ago and it was with someone who advertised with them. It is a very long story but needless to say I got screwed and this advertiser was allowed to keep screwing AJ subscribers. Mike @ AlwaysJukin' was always a gentlemen to me, my issue was with one of his employees and till this day Mike has never contacted me. I doubt he ever got my messages. In my 53 years on this earth I have NEVER been treated any ruder. On the other side, Victory Glass has been my biggest supplier over the 40 years I have restored jukes and not once did I NEVER get top notch service from Steve & Denny. I have seen past posts knocking VG and my experiences were totally different. Steve & all his help treated me as a friend and not a customer. Don Colorado > Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:06:41 -0700> From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com> Subject: Fw: Re: [Jukebox-list] Great Record Shop> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> > John, and All,> The Ads in Alwaysjukin mag. list several places to purchase records. I would suggest that we should support the magazine and those that advertise in it. For those of you that never have seen it, you can go to www.alwaysjukin.com . I beleive that a free sample "download" copy can be had, if requested. Ron Rich From joe400f at shaw.ca Sat Oct 4 09:40:58 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sat Oct 4 09:56:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Members References: <971850.89825.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006b01c9263f$fab1a0f0$939f4f18@compaq> Always Jukin magazine was sold to Richard Leatham a couple of years ago. I have met both of them personally at the Chicago Show. Jukebox collector magazine owner Rick Botts is also at the shows. All great guys. I have bought juke items from both. Since joining this forum about 5 years ago, I have met or have had dealing with many people. Also made some friends. Ron Rich - Advice and rebuilt some amps for me. List member Jay Hennigan - Runs the forum and rebuilt an amp for me. Aaron Heverin - Met personally and restored an AMI F120 for me. List member. Patrick Kubricky - Owns jukebox USA. Met personally and bought parts from many times. Craig Brierman - Owns Speed and Sport Chrome. Met personally and had chome done. Steve and Denny - Steves own Victory Glass. Met personally and bought parts from. Harold Hagen - Runs the column in Always Jukin. Is rebuilding a radio for me NOW. Dan Colabuno - Runs a column and over juke repairs. Met personally at the Chicago show. Robert Johnson - Juke repairs out of Roseville, IL. Lots of dealings with him. This is probably boring for some to read but I wanted to make the point that one persons bad experience doesn't make a person bad to deal with. Keep in mind that there is ALWAYS 2 SIDES AND WAY MORE TO STORY than usually gets told. If I go to the show and I know someone from this forum will be there, I will go out of my way to meet them. It ads fun to the hobby. My opinion. This is bordering on ranting and that is not allowed on the this forum. Sorry for bending the rules a bit Jay. Joey McDoanld From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Sat Oct 4 09:51:25 2008 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Sat Oct 4 10:03:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Great Record Shop Message-ID: Don, I have never subscribed to this publication, but can feel for you. I was treated terribly by a Pontiac Dealership in Augusta, Georgia back in 1996 when I purchased the best of example of a 'LEMON' in automobile history, a Pontiac Fiero. They did not name it Fiero for nothing. The car, a total disaster in design, was sent back to the dealership over 18 times in a three year period. I lived out of town and had to literally drag the car over 75 miles each way to that shop. When I met with Mr. Shaffer, the owner of the dealership, to address my concerns, his response to me was, "Get out, or I'll call the sheriff's department. It was about five years later that I received a letter from him stating that he wanted to apologize to me and that he acted like that because he was under so much pressure due to his move to a new location. Hew wanted to save me $500.00 on a new Chevrolet Truck! Never since have I ever thought of stepping on his lot, or never once have I ever considered purchasing another General Motors product. I wonder why Americans buy foreign automobiles. It's called _ _ _ _ Y customer service. Customers never forget bad service. That's my 2cents worth. Thanks for being such a great group. Brantley From bobe at halted.com Sat Oct 4 10:05:24 2008 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Sat Oct 4 10:15:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Great Record Shop Message-ID: <2.2.32.20081004170524.0098a838@hsces.com> This thread inspired me...I brought in my Meissner Recording Phonograph to our store and set it up on the counter. I am playing lots of 78's today, from 1911 to the 50's, just for fun (we don't sell records, just electronic parts, but I always like to have a little "show & tell" on my occasional Saturday stints at the sales counter). I also found a few "Little Wonder" records, which are nearly 100 years old! One I shouldn't play in public, it would be considered politically incorrect these days: "When it's night time in Dixieland". --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Oct 4 11:08:53 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sat Oct 4 11:10:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Great Record Shop References: <2.2.32.20081004170524.0098a838@hsces.com> Message-ID: <81107A9A71D44DDF825B1068E75C9F37@home1903> Hi Bob, when I was in Myrtle Beach this summer, I went to a flea market and picked up 2 "Little Wonder" records. I had never seen them before and I play them on my Victorola! They are really a conversation piece...to say the least. One is cracked through, do you know a "trick" to fix it ? Glad you mentioned them, I had forgotten and will play them both this weekend!! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Ellingson" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Great Record Shop > This thread inspired me...I brought in my Meissner Recording Phonograph to > our store and set it up on the counter. I am playing lots of 78's today, > from 1911 to the 50's, just for fun (we don't sell records, just > electronic > parts, but I always like to have a little "show & tell" on my occasional > Saturday stints at the sales counter). I also found a few "Little Wonder" > records, which are nearly 100 years old! One I shouldn't play in public, > it > would be considered politically incorrect these days: "When it's night > time > in Dixieland". > > --Bob > ======================================================================= > Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com > Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com > 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 > Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Oct 4 11:14:49 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sat Oct 4 12:17:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1650 Glass Dome Message-ID: <559CB33F40C248D9BF5D5331D1AE9071@home1903> Hi to everyone, well, finally my Dome Glass came for my 1650. To my disappointment, it's the wrong size. When the seller first got in touch with me, he measured 28", that included the frame...I measured 30" including my frame. Then, after thinking about it, I measured the glass only....28"!!! well, I was correct the first time, and the Dome is too small. Not only is the length wrong, but the curve on the side glass is smaller also. My bad...now I have learned a good lesson....ask WAY more questions!! I already have a buyer for it, so it's not a total $$ loss, just an emotional one. Maybe once again I will be looking across the pond for a repro one. I am grateful there is an option......thanks Oliver!!!! Jackie Dancin' Out From berrycbell at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 16:03:38 2008 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Sat Oct 4 16:04:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "I" credit unit overheating? Message-ID: Hello, I have an AMI "I" that I'm having problems with the credit unit. I noticed the reset magnet coils had burnt out on the machine, so I had them replaced. The jukebox is playing and selecting fine, but not cancelling credits, which brought me to find out the reset magnets were burnt after I removed for inspection. I installed a new pair, wired them properly and noticed that the reset magnet coils are being held in the on position, they are not releasing. I noticed this quickly and turned the machine off as they were overheating again. I installed another credit unit from another working "I" I have and it did the same thing to my other credit unit, which lets me know the problem is someplace other than the credit unit. I also noticed that the "wait for selection" light (new bulb installed) is not functioning. What would cause the credit unit reset magnets to stay in the energized position and not release? Any input would be welcome. Thank you, Berry From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Oct 4 16:58:25 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Oct 4 16:59:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "I" credit unit overheating? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <695151.986.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Berry, Going from my great but not too long memory, it seems that the cancel pulse comes from the sprague relay, when energized??--Is it "sticking" down, or do a set of contacts?fail to?open??Ron Rich --- On Sat, 10/4/08, Berry Bell wrote: From: Berry Bell Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "I" credit unit overheating? To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 4:03 PM Hello, I have an AMI "I" that I'm having problems with the credit unit. I noticed the reset magnet coils had burnt out on the machine, so I had them replaced. The jukebox is playing and selecting fine, but not cancelling credits, which brought me to find out the reset magnets were burnt after I removed for inspection. I installed a new pair, wired them properly and noticed that the reset magnet coils are being held in the on position, they are not releasing. I noticed this quickly and turned the machine off as they were overheating again. I installed another credit unit from another working "I" I have and it did the same thing to my other credit unit, which lets me know the problem is someplace other than the credit unit. I also noticed that the "wait for selection" light (new bulb installed) is not functioning. What would cause the credit unit reset magnets to stay in the energized position and not release? Any input would be welcome. Thank you, Berry _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Oct 4 21:06:10 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Oct 4 21:08:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1650 Glass Dome Message-ID: <20081005.000610.3768.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Hello Jackie: I recently had the experience of parting out a damaged 1954 Wurl. 1600A jukebox. It is my understanding that the 1600 models had a shorter width dome frame (per your description) than the 1650 models. It is my understanding that the 1600 and 1650 models were first introduced in 1953 and were continued with "A" versions into 1954. At least for the 1600 ('53) and 1600A ('54) the domes were a slightly different width and will not interchange. There are different Wurl. part nos. on the domes in the 1600 service books. The 1600A dome & frame that I recently sold (not on E Bay) sounds like the too-small dome you're describing here. Hopefully, this adds some clarity to the dome-size issue. Good luck in finding the part you are searching for. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ It's never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vdf9mFh3IGvYU7vk6pEMhzeRJBovShk2rbh4Mj3mw8lq22i/ From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Oct 5 06:44:42 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sun Oct 5 06:46:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1650 Glass Dome References: <20081005.000610.3768.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, thanks for all that info, it makes perfect sense. One thing that I find odd, the 1600 is the 78rpm player with the smaller dome and side glass, the Juke itself is smaller than the 45rpm player. Seems they would have done it the other way around!! :) Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1650 Glass Dome Hello Jackie: I recently had the experience of parting out a damaged 1954 Wurl. 1600A jukebox. It is my understanding that the 1600 models had a shorter width dome frame (per your description) than the 1650 models. It is my understanding that the 1600 and 1650 models were first introduced in 1953 and were continued with "A" versions into 1954. At least for the 1600 ('53) and 1600A ('54) the domes were a slightly different width and will not interchange. There are different Wurl. part nos. on the domes in the 1600 service books. The 1600A dome & frame that I recently sold (not on E Bay) sounds like the too-small dome you're describing here. Hopefully, this adds some clarity to the dome-size issue. Good luck in finding the part you are searching for. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ It's never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vdf9mFh3IGvYU7vk6pEMhzeRJBovShk2rbh4Mj3mw8lq22i/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From perkinsprima at yahoo.co.uk Sun Oct 5 06:38:01 2008 From: perkinsprima at yahoo.co.uk (glyn morgan) Date: Sun Oct 5 06:49:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3700 selection difficulties Message-ID: <915347.37704.qm@web25305.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hello all, am having troubles with my wurlitzer 3700 which has decided that it doesn't want to select anything from the 'T' 'U' or 'V' buttons (A & B sides) - the write-in arm spins around several times but doesn't select latch pin. Have cleaned contacts as best as I can, any ideas on what else to look for? many thanks Glyn From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Oct 5 07:35:14 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Oct 5 07:36:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "I" credit unit overheating? References: Message-ID: <000d01c926f7$94e1e6a0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> If you have manual selectors, there is a set of contacts on the sprag relay that activate the reset magnets, but I believe they also activate the scan magnets and selection solenoid at the same time. If the problem was in those contacts, I think you would see all three magnets overheating. I'm guessing you have electrical selectors - in these machines, the reset magnets are activated by a set of cam switches on a little fiber cam that spins with the pulse generator motor (in the keyboard). I would check these switches to be sure they aren't bent or closed together. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Berry Bell" To: Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI "I" credit unit overheating? > Hello, > > I have an AMI "I" that I'm having problems with the credit unit. I > noticed the reset magnet coils had burnt out on the machine, so I had them > replaced. The jukebox is playing and selecting fine, but not cancelling > credits, which brought me to find out the reset magnets were burnt after I > removed for inspection. > > I installed a new pair, wired them properly and noticed that the reset > magnet coils are being held in the on position, they are not releasing. I > noticed this quickly and turned the machine off as they were overheating > again. > > I installed another credit unit from another working "I" I have and it did > the same thing to my other credit unit, which lets me know the problem is > someplace other than the credit unit. I also noticed that the "wait for > selection" light (new bulb installed) is not functioning. > > What would cause the credit unit reset magnets to stay in the energized > position and not release? > > Any input would be welcome. > > Thank you, > Berry > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Oct 5 07:48:45 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Oct 5 07:54:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? Message-ID: I can't believe things are this bad. I've been trying to sell a fully shopped 1976 Seeburg STD3 Sunstar since mid summer. It's on 3 different craiglist areas in Maryland and Delaware. It's been on WBOC classifieds.It's been in the Sussex Guide which goes all over Delaware and the eastern shore of Maryland. it's on it's 2nd run in there with bold so it's easy to see and no price mentioned so even someone hoping to get one cheap might call and not 1 single phone call from that listing. I did get a few no shows at the beginning of trying to sell it. Should I ebay it or what? Any ideas? I need to sell it. I don't want to sit on it for several years until the economy turns around if it turns around.I see the local guy fixing and selling Rowe jukes has got desperate and put one on ebay for a much cheaper Buy It Now price than he was in the Sussex Guide with 60 day warranty and extras included. Seems pretty bad if no one even calls or emails. J.C. New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Oct 5 09:06:35 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Oct 5 09:07:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <794192.72706.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Toys are pretty low on most people's lists of spending priorities when the economy sours. Of course, it's a good time to pick up machines to resell when the next boom comes, but to take advantage of that you have to have warehouse space and the cash on hand to make the purchase, especially now when credit is so tight. Is eBay really any better for selling large items than Craig's List? Do people extend themselves geographically when buying things like jukeboxes? From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Oct 5 09:32:00 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Oct 5 09:33:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? References: Message-ID: <001001c92707$e4ff7110$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I've always found it difficult to sell late 60's/early 70's machines for more than $400-$500 no matter how nice they are or how good the economy is. When people call me looking to sell a machine like this, I politely turn them down unless they want $50 or less - its just not worth the effort. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? >I can't believe things are this bad. I've been trying to sell a fully > shopped 1976 Seeburg STD3 Sunstar since mid summer. It's on 3 different > craiglist > areas in Maryland and Delaware. It's been on WBOC classifieds.It's been > in > the Sussex Guide which goes all over Delaware and the eastern shore of > Maryland. it's on it's 2nd run in there with bold so it's easy to see and > no price > mentioned so even someone hoping to get one cheap might call and not 1 > single > phone call from that listing. I did get a few no shows at the beginning > of > trying to sell it. > > Should I ebay it or what? Any ideas? I need to sell it. I don't want to > sit > on it for several years until the economy turns around if it turns > around.I > see the local guy fixing and selling Rowe jukes has got desperate and put > one > on ebay for a much cheaper Buy It Now price than he was in the Sussex > Guide > with 60 day warranty and extras included. Seems pretty bad if no one even > calls or emails. > > J.C. > > > > > > New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, > Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Oct 5 10:32:11 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Oct 5 10:38:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? Message-ID: It's not that people extend themselves more geographically (especially for a 60s or 70s box) but that ebay is more well known. There are still a lot of people that give you the deer in the headlights stare when you mention craigslist. Never heard of it. Most people know about ebay. You'd be hard pressed to find a person that doesn't know about ebay.Most jukes are sold on ebay as pickup only. I'm just about to the point of letting it go for $500 in spite of the work put into it.If and a big if I can find a buyer. How would you like a juke in front of your sofa so you can't lay on it to watch tv and no prospects for getting rid of it? It may be years before this economy recovers.It's really in the toilet this time. J.C. In a message dated 10/5/2008 12:08:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, david_breneman@yahoo.com writes: Toys are pretty low on most people's lists of spending priorities when the economy sours. Of course, it's a good time to pick up machines to resell when the next boom comes, but to take advantage of that you have to have warehouse space and the cash on hand to make the purchase, especially now when credit is so tight. Is eBay really any better for selling large items than Craig's List? Do people extend themselves geographically when buying things like jukeboxes? New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Oct 5 11:03:27 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Oct 5 11:04:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Way OT question-- Message-ID: <471232.18706.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi All, Sorry this is so OT, but I don't know who else to ask, at this moment-- If anyone has info, please answer me "off list" at ronnnrich@yahoo.com . My question is: I just got a message that my mail service put in my "spam" file. It says "Digital TV from around the world on your PC". I am chicken to open it, for fear of viri--but I think that I would enjoy being able to view this-- Anyone ever heard of it, or have it? TIA, Ron Rich From joe400f at shaw.ca Sun Oct 5 12:01:35 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sun Oct 5 12:02:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? References: Message-ID: <002c01c9271c$c9f42cc0$939f4f18@compaq> Did you try running classified ads in Jukebox Collector magazine or Always Jukin magazine. I think if you subscribe, classifieds are free. There's another one called Gameroom magazine. I don't subscribe to that one but, they run ads as well. Joey McDonald From johntrav at suddenlink.net Sun Oct 5 12:21:39 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Sun Oct 5 12:22:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? References: <001001c92707$e4ff7110$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: Maybe saleability depends on the market you are pursuing, both geographical and customer type. I renovate 60's/70's/early 80's Rowe vinyl jukes in eastern Oklahoma. My market is mostly record collectors who want a juke from the era most of their records represent. I use Craigslist and a local classified ad magazine. I state my price (higher) is cash firm, and the buyer is required to personally pick it up. I want him or her to see the juke, play it, be instructed on operation and simple service, and be totally satisfied with their purchase. These are not collectors, but people who want a reliable presentable juke to play their records. My sales have dropped, but not disappeared, and I still get my price. I worked for Happ for 12 years and know a lot of operators with vinyl jukes gathering dust in their warehouses. Many (not all, unfortunately) will nearly give them away to gain storage space. John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? > I've always found it difficult to sell late 60's/early 70's machines for > more than $400-$500 no matter how nice they are or how good the economy > is. When people call me looking to sell a machine like this, I politely > turn them down unless they want $50 or less - its just not worth the > effort. Good luck, > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 10:48 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? > > >>I can't believe things are this bad. I've been trying to sell a fully >> shopped 1976 Seeburg STD3 Sunstar since mid summer. It's on 3 different >> craiglist >> areas in Maryland and Delaware. It's been on WBOC classifieds.It's been >> in >> the Sussex Guide which goes all over Delaware and the eastern shore of >> Maryland. it's on it's 2nd run in there with bold so it's easy to see >> and no price >> mentioned so even someone hoping to get one cheap might call and not 1 >> single >> phone call from that listing. I did get a few no shows at the beginning >> of >> trying to sell it. >> >> Should I ebay it or what? Any ideas? I need to sell it. I don't want to >> sit >> on it for several years until the economy turns around if it turns >> around.I >> see the local guy fixing and selling Rowe jukes has got desperate and >> put one >> on ebay for a much cheaper Buy It Now price than he was in the Sussex >> Guide >> with 60 day warranty and extras included. Seems pretty bad if no one >> even >> calls or emails. >> >> J.C. >> >> >> >> >> >> New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, >> Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! >> (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 5 12:47:01 2008 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Sun Oct 5 12:48:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? In-Reply-To: <794192.72706.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hi all, I haven't had any luck lately auctioning my nice, fully rebuilt Seeburg 222 for $1800, with shipping available. Lots of looky loos, but no bids. Rick. >From: David Breneman >Reply-To: david_breneman@yahoo.com,Jukebox mailing list > >To: Jukebox mailing list >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? >Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:06:35 -0700 (PDT) > > >Toys are pretty low on most people's lists of spending >priorities when the economy sours. Of course, it's a >good time to pick up machines to resell when the next >boom comes, but to take advantage of that you have to >have warehouse space and the cash on hand to make the >purchase, especially now when credit is so tight. > >Is eBay really any better for selling large items >than Craig's List? Do people extend themselves >geographically when buying things like jukeboxes? > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Oct 5 13:31:55 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Oct 5 13:33:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? In-Reply-To: <002c01c9271c$c9f42cc0$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: <103872.80034.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Joey, Not "Free"--but real reasonable ! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 10/5/08, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 12:01 PM Did you try running classified ads in Jukebox Collector magazine or Always Jukin magazine. I think if you subscribe, classifieds are free. There's another one called Gameroom magazine. I don't subscribe to that one but, they run ads as well. Joey McDonald _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Oct 5 13:52:49 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Oct 5 13:59:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? Message-ID: Perhaps you have a market because you've been doing this as a regular thing and have an established customer base that recommends you to other people. A bit harder for an individual to sell a one off. I handle the sale of a juke pretty much the same way you do but I only have one to sell every couple of years or so. My last sale,a Rockola 490 couldn't have been easier.The guy had cash in hand and was ready to take it that day.He was the first caller when the local Sussex Guide came out on Wednesday and was here on the weekend when I was home to meet him.It was tax refund time though.You would think with the holidays coming up someone would want 1 for playing their records at their holiday party or to give to dad or mom who has a bunch of old 45s but no longer have a record player to play them on for Christmas.Oh well. things were different a couple of years ago. J.C. In a message dated 10/5/2008 3:23:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, johntrav@suddenlink.net writes: Maybe saleability depends on the market you are pursuing, both geographical and customer type. I renovate 60's/70's/early 80's Rowe vinyl jukes in eastern Oklahoma. My market is mostly record collectors who want a juke from the era most of their records represent. I use Craigslist and a local classified ad magazine. I state my price (higher) is cash firm, and the buyer is required to personally pick it up. I want him or her to see the juke, play it, be instructed on operation and simple service, and be totally satisfied with their purchase. These are not collectors, but people who want a reliable presentable juke to play their records. My sales have dropped, but not disappeared, and I still get my price. I worked for Happ for 12 years and know a lot of operators with vinyl jukes gathering dust in their warehouses. Many (not all, unfortunately) will nearly give them away to gain storage space. John Travelletti New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From edbap at aol.com Sun Oct 5 14:15:41 2008 From: edbap at aol.com (Ed Baptista) Date: Sun Oct 5 14:22:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CAF546A7F5F77A-7A8-AC5@MBLK-M16.sysops.aol.com> Rick I think that is a pretty darn good price for a nice 222 jukebox. I think the media has done a pretty good job of scaring everyone into "recession thinking". People are afraid right now of spending money. It reminds me of the 80's when I worked in a jewelry store. My boss used to say, "Remember, there isn't a thing in this store that anyone really NEEDS!" I think jukes, pinballs, video games, are all in that basket also.? I think the market is snoozing, but will wake up in the future. Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: Rick Force To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? hi all,? I haven't had any luck lately auctioning my nice, fully rebuilt Seeburg 222 for $1800, with shipping available. Lots of looky loos, but no bids. Rick.? ? >From: David Breneman ? >Reply-To: david_breneman@yahoo.com,Jukebox mailing list >? >To: Jukebox mailing list ? >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead?? >Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:06:35 -0700 (PDT)? >? >? >Toys are pretty low on most people's lists of spending? >priorities when the economy sours. Of course, it's a? >good time to pick up machines to resell when the next? >boom comes, but to take advantage of that you have to? >have warehouse space and the cash on hand to make the? >purchase, especially now when credit is so tight.? >? >Is eBay really any better for selling large items? >than Craig's List? Do people extend themselves? >geographically when buying things like jukeboxes?? >? >? >? >? >_______________________________________________? >Jukebox-list mailing list? >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? ? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 5 14:34:42 2008 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Sun Oct 5 14:35:47 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? In-Reply-To: <8CAF546A7F5F77A-7A8-AC5@MBLK-M16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Ed, I agree, just breaking even on that one and trying to make some room. Oh well, if it doesn't sell this time around (2nd time so far), i'll just hang on to it and try again closer to Christmas (price may go up to where it should be sold for though. If it doesn't sell that time, I may just keep it as it is the best one (5 or 6) i've had so far. Rick. >From: Ed Baptista >Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list >To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? >Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 17:15:41 -0400 > >Rick I think that is a pretty darn good price for a nice 222 jukebox. I >think the media has done a pretty good job of scaring everyone into >"recession thinking". People are afraid right now of spending money. It >reminds me of the 80's when I worked in a jewelry store. My boss used to >say, "Remember, there isn't a thing in this store that anyone really >NEEDS!" I think jukes, pinballs, video games, are all in that basket also.? >I think the market is snoozing, but will wake up in the future. > > >Eddie Baptista > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rick Force >To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >Sent: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 12:47 pm >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? > > >hi all,? >I haven't had any luck lately auctioning my nice, fully rebuilt Seeburg 222 >for $1800, with shipping available. Lots of looky loos, but no bids. Rick.? >? > >From: David Breneman ? > >Reply-To: david_breneman@yahoo.com,Jukebox mailing list > >? > >To: Jukebox mailing list ? > >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead?? > >Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:06:35 -0700 (PDT)? > >? > >? > >Toys are pretty low on most people's lists of spending? > >priorities when the economy sours. Of course, it's a? > >good time to pick up machines to resell when the next? > >boom comes, but to take advantage of that you have to? > >have warehouse space and the cash on hand to make the? > >purchase, especially now when credit is so tight.? > >? > >Is eBay really any better for selling large items? > >than Craig's List? Do people extend themselves? > >geographically when buying things like jukeboxes?? > >? > >? > >? > >? > >_______________________________________________? > >Jukebox-list mailing list? > >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? >? >_______________________________________________? >Jukebox-list mailing list? >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kklashley at yahoo.com Sun Oct 5 15:19:01 2008 From: kklashley at yahoo.com (Kevin Lashley) Date: Sun Oct 5 15:20:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sonotone 8t installation to amp help. Message-ID: <577344.23193.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ?? Hello to all, ? ? ? ? ?? I am in the process of converting my Cobra mono tone arm to a Wurlitzer model 2510 stereo? tone arm.? My question is how to wire up the sonotone 8t cartridge. It has four wires coming from a round plug two of these wires are white,? one red and one black. A black and a white wire are spliced together so theres 3 connectors for the cartridge. What kind of cable am I going to run from the 4 prong plug down to the amp. Can I get a female plug to connect with the end already on the tonearm or do I need to cut it off splice the cable(what kind) to amp. ? Was also wondering about needles,? is a sapphire needle or diamond better. I seen both available for the 8t cartridge.? ?? Tha amp is being converted to accept? the stereo cartridge. ?Thanks for any help. ?Kevin From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Sun Oct 5 16:16:06 2008 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Sun Oct 5 16:22:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox market dead along with the state of affairs? Message-ID: I am a collector of vintage phonographs and only have one jukebox. Here in South Carolina, the market is really 'dead'. Everyone is really afraid to spend any extra cash on fun and games. The truth is, people really do not have any extra cash. Let's face it, with gas at $4.00 a gallon and rising, and the affects of it with rising grocery and power, bills, the average family budget is pretty much shot. The real estate market is in devastating condition as well as the Stock Market. The biggest concern is our unemployment rate. There are so many without jobs. Yea, I know...our leaders say that the unemployment rate is low, but what they don't say is that many are employed with jobs paying minimum wages or a dime or two above it. It's getting to be that the average income for working people is right at poverty level. I am very fortunate to have a very good job that pays well, but I am still one of those watching every dime that I spend. Even with all of the fun and games that I have collected over the years, how many of them will put food on the table if the time comes? Yea, I've got the toys, but there won't be any buyers. As much as I love my toys, a new vintage box or phono is the last thing on my mind right now. Brantley


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From jay at west.net Sun Oct 5 16:27:00 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Oct 5 16:28:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Way OT question-- TV on PC scam In-Reply-To: <471232.18706.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <471232.18706.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48E94D44.2090801@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > Sorry this is so OT, but I don't know who else to ask, at this moment-- > If anyone has info, please answer me "off list" at ronnnrich@yahoo.com . > My question is: I just got a message that my mail service put in my "spam" file. It says "Digital TV from around the world on your PC". I am chicken to open it, for fear of viri--but I think that I would enjoy being able to view this-- > Anyone ever heard of it, or have it? > TIA, Ron Rich I'll answer on-list. Now that you have our curiosity, others will bug you for a summary. Rule No. 1: If you received an advertisement that seems too good to be true, it probably isn't true. Rule No. 2: If you received an advertisement via spam, it is almost certainly an outright scam. If not, it's a very bad deal. "Limited edition US Government issued copper over zinc medallion of President Lincoln, $4.99 plus shipping and handling!" (The edition is limited to the number of pennies minted that year. Not a total scam as you do get something more or less as advertised, but not a very good deal.) What this scam is, is either software or simply an HTML bookmark file that has links to a number of streaming video sites. Poor quality video, mostly religious or shopping channels, maybe stuff posted to YouTube, etc. It comes over your broadband connection, not satellite. That's it. Note that there are available actual hardware cards such as those made bu Hauppauge that can be placed into a PC hardware slot and connected to a DVB satellite dish antenna. A reasonable dish is a bout one meter diameter, slightly bigger than the Direct TV or Dish Network "pizza dishes". These can receive any of several "free-to-air" unscrambled satellite signals, occasional wild news feeds, etc. NOT the Dish or Direct TV scrambled signals. Point it at the Dish bird and you'll get their barker ad channels and I think NASA and maybe a religious channel or two. This is NOT what the spam/scam sites are advertising. The scam/spam sites basically provide a list of links and don't use a satellite at all. Most of the free-to-air content is religious, shopping, foreign language TV with a few network and local stations mixed in. You need a dish with LNB, probably a motor to remotely move it from satellite to satellite, and the hardware card. A frequently updated channel list is here: http://www.lyngsat.com/ There is bootleg software available to turn the Hauppauge cards and also stand-alone FTA receiver boxes into Dish Network receivers. It works after a fashion, or so I've been told. The Dish folks frequently change the scrambling to disable the bootleg software, and then you're without TV until new software is made available. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Sun Oct 5 16:34:02 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Oct 5 16:33:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sonotone 8t installation to amp help. In-Reply-To: <577344.23193.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <577344.23193.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48E94EEA.5000005@west.net> Kevin Lashley wrote: > Hello to all, > I am in the process of converting my Cobra mono tone arm to a Wurlitzer model 2510 stereo tone arm. My question is how to wire up the sonotone 8t cartridge. It has four wires coming from a > round plug two of these wires are white, one red and one black. A black and a white wire are spliced together so theres 3 connectors > for the cartridge. What kind of cable am I going to run from the 4 prong > plug down to the amp. Can I get a female plug to connect with the end already on the tonearm or do I need to cut it off splice the cable(what kind) to amp. > Was also wondering about needles, is a > sapphire needle or diamond better. I seen both available for the 8t > cartridge. Solder the black and white wires to the shell of the RCA connector. Connect the other two wires (probably red and green) together and solder to the center pin. Do the shell first so as not to melt the insulation off of the other wires going to the pin. > The amp is being converted to accept the stereo cartridge. Good! Otherwise you won't get any sound. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Oct 5 16:41:51 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Oct 5 16:44:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 1650 Glass Dome Message-ID: <20081005.194151.6101.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Hi: I had a 1954 model 1600A which I decided to part out as it would have taken way too many $$$ in parts and labor to make it complete. The 1600A had a record changer with the 10" record trays,and could be set up for 78 or 45 RPM use. I'm aware that there was a version of the 1600 was made that accepted 7" 45's only and another version (AF models) that had an improved sound system package. The model that I had had the smallest-size dome frame. Go figure. I was under the impression that the 1600 was supposed to be Wurlitzer's low-priced compact-size jukebox in those years. The 1650 was supposed to be the de luxe version 48-select machine. Their flagship model that year was the 1500A (twin stack model) which was large and very heavy. I believe that there were several finishes/color schemes for each model. This is why it's difficult to get the "right" cabinet and trim parts for these models. Good luck in your parts search. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Fashion Design Education - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vDzHzu6NVH5GRCFRm2nNz6ZmoNpcOy2urwqh2Vp3wLzAgwe/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Oct 5 16:56:12 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Oct 5 16:58:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sonotone 8t installation to amp help. Message-ID: <20081005.195612.6101.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Kevin: Several days ago I sent you a very detailed (and long winded) e mail giving you all the tech instructions how to make this work. It delineates what work you need to do and what work your amp servicer needs to do. I sent this directly to you, off of the juke-list at kklashley@yahoo.com, as I thought this long,techy letter would be a "yawner" for everyone else. I'll re transmit that letter to you. If you need a schematic drawing, I 'll need to send you a paper document. I'm having difficulty with the scan/read function on my PC. I'll need your mailing address. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Fashion Design Education - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vDzIEVwlI9Vt6Cwh6BuslGgZwE3H9hVKkYn9LS8B2f40t9U/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Oct 5 16:56:55 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Oct 5 16:59:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sonotone 8t installation to amp help. Message-ID: <20081005.195655.6101.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Kevin: Several days ago I sent you a very detailed (and long winded) e mail giving you all the tech instructions how to make this work. It delineates what work you need to do and what work your amp servicer needs to do. I sent this directly to you, off of the juke-list at kklashley@yahoo.com, as I thought this long,techy letter would be a "yawner" for everyone else. I'll re transmit that letter to you. If you need a schematic drawing, I 'll need to send you a paper document. I'm having difficulty with the scan/read function on my PC. I'll need your mailing address. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Want to be an interior designer? Click here to get info about top interior design schools. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGm703VA0h1RXDjJAKhVIAlMGEmDFioyf7syLeQxANNlSLU/ From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 5 18:24:11 2008 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Sun Oct 5 18:25:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 wall mount kit Message-ID: Hi all, does anyone here have the 1464 wall kit laying around in their shop or warehouse? I will make one if need be, but wanted to see if one was available anywhere. I will take video of my 1464 playing and post to U tube soon. Thank you, Rick (who has a nice 222 for sale). From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Oct 5 18:56:53 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Oct 5 18:57:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox market dead along with the state of affairs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <720803.99804.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 10/5/08, Kuglarb@wmconnect.com wrote: A few friendly comments giving my prespective on that you said: > Let's face it, with gas at $4.00 a gallon and rising, $4.00? Wow, I just filled up for $4.47 and was dancing a jig! Gas here (Puget Sound area) was $5.79 this summer and has been declining for the last two months. > The real estate market is in devastating condition No, the real estate market is finding its level after a huge speculation bubble ("Flip that House!!") has finally burst. Anyone with eyes to see has seen this coming for the last five years. It's a well overdue adjustment that's finally bringing a little sanity to housing prices. > as well as the Stock Market. Over any 20 year period in the last century, including the great depression, stocks are still the best long term investment. Within a year or two the market will be back where it was, unless the government does too much to "fix" the situation. That's the real danger. > The biggest concern is our unemployment rate. There > are so many without jobs. Yea, I know...our leaders say > that the unemployment rate is low, but what they don't > say is that many are employed with jobs > paying minimum wages or a dime or two above it. Unemployment will be a problem, but I don't see people going from middle income jobs to minimum wage. That sounds like an exaggeration. There are many sectors that I wouldn't want to work in right now, but at least from what I've seen it's not as dire as you paint it. > Even with all of the fun and games that I have > collected over the years, how many of them will put food on > the table if the time comes? Yea, I've got the toys, > but there won't be any buyers. It's unwise to look at such things as investments. I know, there are people who look at Beanie Babies and Hummel figurines as investments, but there's no law against being an idiot. > As much as I love my toys, a new vintage box or phono is > the last thing on my mind right now. Ironic, because as a collector, now is exactly the time that I'm on the lookout for bargains. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Oct 5 18:57:12 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Oct 5 18:58:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Way OT question-- TV on PC scam In-Reply-To: <48E94D44.2090801@west.net> Message-ID: <779291.28496.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jay, Thanks for the info--so far, you are the 1st to answer--One thing though, my "spam filter" often puts messages from this list into the spam folder !! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 10/5/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Way OT question-- TV on PC scam To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 4:27 PM Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > Sorry this is so OT, but I don't know who else to ask, at this moment-- > If anyone has info, please answer me "off list" at ronnnrich@yahoo.com . > My question is: I just got a message that my mail service put in my "spam" file. It says "Digital TV from around the world on your PC". I am chicken to open it, for fear of viri--but I think that I would enjoy being able to view this-- > Anyone ever heard of it, or have it? > TIA, Ron Rich I'll answer on-list. Now that you have our curiosity, others will bug you for a summary. Rule No. 1: If you received an advertisement that seems too good to be true, it probably isn't true. Rule No. 2: If you received an advertisement via spam, it is almost certainly an outright scam. If not, it's a very bad deal. "Limited edition US Government issued copper over zinc medallion of President Lincoln, $4.99 plus shipping and handling!" (The edition is limited to the number of pennies minted that year. Not a total scam as you do get something more or less as advertised, but not a very good deal.) What this scam is, is either software or simply an HTML bookmark file that has links to a number of streaming video sites. Poor quality video, mostly religious or shopping channels, maybe stuff posted to YouTube, etc. It comes over your broadband connection, not satellite. That's it. Note that there are available actual hardware cards such as those made bu Hauppauge that can be placed into a PC hardware slot and connected to a DVB satellite dish antenna. A reasonable dish is a bout one meter diameter, slightly bigger than the Direct TV or Dish Network "pizza dishes". These can receive any of several "free-to-air" unscrambled satellite signals, occasional wild news feeds, etc. NOT the Dish or Direct TV scrambled signals. Point it at the Dish bird and you'll get their barker ad channels and I think NASA and maybe a religious channel or two. This is NOT what the spam/scam sites are advertising. The scam/spam sites basically provide a list of links and don't use a satellite at all. Most of the free-to-air content is religious, shopping, foreign language TV with a few network and local stations mixed in. You need a dish with LNB, probably a motor to remotely move it from satellite to satellite, and the hardware card. A frequently updated channel list is here: http://www.lyngsat.com/ There is bootleg software available to turn the Hauppauge cards and also stand-alone FTA receiver boxes into Dish Network receivers. It works after a fashion, or so I've been told. The Dish folks frequently change the scrambling to disable the bootleg software, and then you're without TV until new software is made available. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Sun Oct 5 19:05:30 2008 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Sun Oct 5 19:12:47 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox market dead along with the state of affairs? Message-ID: David, You make some great points. Thanks for the counter feedback. I guess that I am a little distraught over the current situation. Things will get better. I always enjoy your emails to this thread. Thanks again! Brantley From kklashley at yahoo.com Sun Oct 5 20:00:55 2008 From: kklashley at yahoo.com (Kevin Lashley) Date: Sun Oct 5 20:01:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] sonotone 8t to amp Message-ID: <881880.11429.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Kevin: ?James ,,??? I do thank you for all the info on the cartridges. I have purchased a original sonotone? 8t coming in the mail now. I was just trying to find out how to wire it once it arrived. I didn't know where to solder the wires to. I think Jays post covered that. Thank you Jay. Heres your E mail. ? details...details..... If you don't win the E Bay auction for the W2500 jukebox tone arm, I've got similar parts for sale.? The tone arms I have?are from jukebox model 2700 so they are painted white, otherwise the same part as on E Bay. about phono cartridges... Ceramic types Ceramic element stereo cartridges can be wired directly into (converted) Wurlitzer amplifiers with minimal modification of the electronics. The left and right channels are connected together for use on mono jukebox models.?? Stereo records will be reproduced monaurally.? When buying a new cartridge, it is supplied with one stylus.?? Most ceramic cartridges use a flip-type needle (intended for use in 3 speed phonographs).?? The cartridge makers offer a double .7 mil needle (for LP/LP) or .7mil/3 mil (for LP/78)?? It's a good idea to keep one spare stylus on hand for your cartridge as it is a wear item, and needles can be damaged if playing cracked, warped or badly scratched records.???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???? Usually the lowest cost of the cartridge types.? 1.? Recently found out that some manufacturer is offering a replicated Sonotone 8TA4 cartridge.This is a stereo ceramic element cartridge that is arguably one of the best sounding ceramic-type cartridges out there.?? The 8TA4 was the original (stereo) cartridge these tone arms were designed for.?????? The Wurl tone arm, in order to play vertically has to be balanced in 3 planes---otherwise you'll have difficulty setting it up.??? Since the 8T was the original cartridge was planned for this tone arm, it should eliminate most of the trial-and-error "busy work" associated with getting a new cartridge model to?mount & balance?here.? I think it costs about $60.??????Good choice for your W2204.?????? 2.??? The Pfanstiehl P 132D is the most popular ceramic element catridge used by juke restoration artists.?? Costs about $20.? There are enough of these in use so as to guarantee a steady supply of product and repl stylii from the manufacturer in the future.?? Will work in 2204 as a Cobra alternative, less preferable than the Sonotone 8T, but provides best bang for the $$. magnetic element cartridges magnetic cartridges are regarded as the most accurate sounding of all cartridge types and will cause the least record wear.? Their drawbacks is that they are more expensive initially, replacement stylii are more expensive and they require additional stages of amplification and equalization for operation.?? If you appreciate great sound quality, you'll find it worth the expense and effort.? Mag cartridges usually are equipped with a single stylus.? Remember to buy 1 spare needle for your cartridge choice. A "stand alone" powered solid-state preamp module? (from MCM Electronics or equivalent, cost approx $25) needs to be connected between the phono cartridge and your converted Wurlitzer amplifier. 1.?? Preferred cartridge is a Stanton #400V3.? Also sold as Pickering model NP-AC.? Costs about $40.? Finest sound quality for 45 RPM discs. 2.?? A second choice is a cartridge made by Sanyo/Fisher.? Best value magnetic at about $30. Buying phono cartridges Cartridges are sold on line by www.needles4jukeboxes.com,? www.victoryglass.com? ,www.jukeboxusa.com?? and? www.jukeboxfridaynight.com.????????????????? I have both new and used versions of these cartridges for sale most of the time as well. Wurlitzer amp modifications Your W2204 amplifier is equipped with a 2.5 MHz oscillator circuit at it's input to support the special operation of the cobra cartridge.?? This circuit is, as I remember, operated by a 12AU7 tube in your amplifier.? This is the single tube that is mounted in a special rubber,shock-mounted socket. When your amp is modified this circuit is bypassed, but is left intact on the chassis, so that it can be rejuvenated if the next owner of your W2204 would prefer to revert back to the Cobra cartridge. Regards, Jim Alexander? ? From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Oct 5 21:32:28 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Oct 5 21:34:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] sonotone 8t to amp Message-ID: <20081006.003228.18018.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Kevin: There was a more recent email I sent you that gave you specific wiring instructions for your Sonotone 8T cartridge. I transitted to you it to you twice, once today and 5 days ago directly, to your email ,off the list. The E Bay tone arm you bought should have the correct cartridge connectors installed. (flat push on lugs) You will probably need to make a stop at Radio Shack for about $5 worth of cable and connectors to finish the job off. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get educated. Click here for Adult Education programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uIzrskSwhhy1XwJtL7lk7GmkrmRGDOr1qyJdtSG7cbCEJ7A/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Oct 5 22:06:14 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Oct 5 22:09:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3700 selection difficulties Message-ID: <20081006.010614.18536.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Hello: I 've had to deal with similar selection issues on a Wurlitzer 7500. The 7500 is a furniture console machine that was built in 1972 and 73 using the W 3600 and 3700 interior. I'm assuming that you are inquiring about a 3700 juke that was built in the U.S. I'm told that the German-built models made for the English and European markets use different selection technology than the U.S. models. I've had no hands on experience with the German built machine. There are many contact and wiper surfaces on the "topside" of the selector drum, mounted below the mechanism. This circuit board tends to pick up a lot of dirt and grit, leading to the intermittent selection problems as you're describing. Most of the time, this is a straightforward mechanical problem, not an elecronic one. It is difficult to do a good cleaning job on the drum while it is mounted on the mech. The answer is to simply unbolt the drum from the mechanism (3 machine bolts) clean the circuit board contacts on the drum along with the wiper contacts on the mech. If the contacts are really dirty and greasy, I've cleaned the board contacts first with a de greasing cleaner like 409 using a soft cloth. After washing off the 409, use a cleaning agent like alcohol or a contact cleaner like De Oxit. Let the contacts dry for several hours (or use a hair dryer) before re installing and attempting to use the selector. Reinstall the drum after it's cleaned. It is very easy to re-align. Take care not to bend or damage the wiper contacts or readout switches when removing/reinstalling the drum. I hope this helps you, JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to become a professional counselor in less time than you think. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vFH8rpIMlzHBFf4MMcIDwmLPNhhpqVENNSseroEOWUREGa6/ From jay at west.net Sun Oct 5 22:13:24 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Oct 5 22:14:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] sonotone 8t to amp In-Reply-To: <881880.11429.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <881880.11429.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48E99E74.1070508@west.net> Kevin Lashley wrote: > Hello Kevin: > James ,, I do thank you for all the info on the cartridges. I have purchased a original sonotone 8t coming in the mail now. I was just trying to find out how to wire it once it arrived. I didn't know where to solder the wires to. I think Jays post covered that. Thank you Jay. > > Heres your E mail. > > > > details...details..... > If you don't win the E Bay auction for the W2500 jukebox tone arm, I've got similar parts for sale. The tone arms I have are from jukebox model 2700 so they are painted white, otherwise the same part as on E Bay. > about phono cartridges... > Ceramic types > Ceramic element stereo cartridges can be wired directly into > (converted) Wurlitzer amplifiers with minimal modification of the > electronics. The left and right channels are connected together for use > on mono jukebox models. Stereo records will be reproduced > monaurally. When buying a new cartridge, it is supplied with one > stylus. Most ceramic cartridges use a flip-type needle (intended for > use in 3 speed phonographs). The cartridge makers offer a double .7 > mil needle (for LP/LP) or .7mil/3 mil (for LP/78) It's a good idea to > keep one spare stylus on hand for your cartridge as it is a wear item, > and needles can be damaged if playing cracked, warped or badly > scratched records. One caution about the flip-type needles when used on Wurlitzer jukes: The printing on the flip-lever is designed to be read from the opposite side of the lever from the active stylus. In a traditional record player, the user reads the printing from above the tonearm. So if it reads "78" from on the top side, the 78 RPM 3-mil stylus is on the lower side of the cartridge and will be in contact with the groove. On a Wurlitzer that plays the records vertically, the writing on the lever that is visible from the front of the juke is on the same side as the active stylus. So, if you're using a 78/LP stylus, flip it so that the "78" writing shows from the front. Note that there are also some flip-over styli that are both 0.7 mil but sapphire on one side and diamond on the other. These will often have a letter "S" on the side opposite of the sapphire tip. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 6 01:15:19 2008 From: chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk (Chris K. Tanner) Date: Mon Oct 6 01:30:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? References: <001001c92707$e4ff7110$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <62DC4812177E49E39827B3E2C05BEB3E@acerc2d0f03b5f> I would like to find a decent ami 200 i electric in good working condition at a good price. Any body who has one for sale and can deliver to the Orlando FL area please contact me at chris@cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Thanks Chris T ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Travelletti" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? > > Maybe saleability depends on the market you are pursuing, both > geographical > and customer type. I renovate 60's/70's/early 80's Rowe vinyl jukes in > eastern Oklahoma. My market is mostly record collectors who want a juke > from > the era most of their records represent. I use Craigslist and a local > classified ad magazine. I state my price (higher) is cash firm, and the > buyer is required to personally pick it up. I want him or her to see the > juke, play it, be instructed on operation and simple service, and be > totally > satisfied with their purchase. These are not collectors, but people who > want > a reliable presentable juke to play their records. My sales have dropped, > but not disappeared, and I still get my price. I worked for Happ for 12 > years and know a lot of operators with vinyl jukes gathering dust in their > warehouses. Many (not all, unfortunately) will nearly give them away to > gain > storage space. > John Travelletti > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? > > >> I've always found it difficult to sell late 60's/early 70's machines for >> more than $400-$500 no matter how nice they are or how good the economy >> is. When people call me looking to sell a machine like this, I politely >> turn them down unless they want $50 or less - its just not worth the >> effort. Good luck, >> >> Jim >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 10:48 AM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? >> >> >>>I can't believe things are this bad. I've been trying to sell a fully >>> shopped 1976 Seeburg STD3 Sunstar since mid summer. It's on 3 >>> different >>> craiglist >>> areas in Maryland and Delaware. It's been on WBOC classifieds.It's been >>> in >>> the Sussex Guide which goes all over Delaware and the eastern shore of >>> Maryland. it's on it's 2nd run in there with bold so it's easy to see >>> and no price >>> mentioned so even someone hoping to get one cheap might call and not 1 >>> single >>> phone call from that listing. I did get a few no shows at the beginning >>> of >>> trying to sell it. >>> >>> Should I ebay it or what? Any ideas? I need to sell it. I don't want to >>> sit >>> on it for several years until the economy turns around if it turns >>> around.I >>> see the local guy fixing and selling Rowe jukes has got desperate and >>> put one >>> on ebay for a much cheaper Buy It Now price than he was in the Sussex >>> Guide >>> with 60 day warranty and extras included. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1706 - Release Date: 10/3/2008 6:17 PM From drjukebox at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 02:55:25 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Mon Oct 6 02:56:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox market dead along with the state of affairs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3154d3690810060255l1a84dd7bmb5d6a5f724ee2f98@mail.gmail.com> I just came back from the Rosmalen Autotron show in Holland which I believe is still the largest show of its' kind in the world.It was ten years since last time for me. It was pretty good, but I could only stay a few hours. Attendance is clearly down from the 90's, but it was crazy back then. In the morning it was kind of quiet, whereas back in the heydays it would've been a long line of people waiting to spend their money. Towards lunchtime, it was filling up with people checking out the jukeboxes and picking over then record bins. Medium age is up with about ten years, I'd say - everybody's looking older just like myself :o) I think people are spending much less than they were at that time, and the money actually changing hands at the show is probably a small fraction of what it was then. But people were enjoying themselves. As for the market. there's a lot of uncertainty about the future at this time and it is reasonable that people are hesitant to buying things they don't really need right away. It has been this way before, early 90's and then again early 00's and the market came back, somewhat. In the early 90's I stocked up on 70's Seeburgs thinking that in a recession people would stop buying expensive jukes and buy cheaper jukes. WRONG! Wurlitzer 2000s and Seeburg V200s kept soaring while those with less money quit buying altogether, so I had a hard time getting rid of those consoles. Also would like to add that a Sunstar is about the toughest jukebox to sell here - way too big for most people. Put it on location! Jens PS - I took the Suburban to the show and just the cost of gas was over $900 at 8 US dollars per gallon. So there. You will adjust, too. From etreble7 at verizon.net Mon Oct 6 03:21:51 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Mon Oct 6 04:24:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Not a good time for selling Message-ID: Good Morning, after reading all the posts regarding the sluggish market and the resale of Jukes, I also wanted to mention I have had my Baby Grand Piano up for sale on Craigslist for a month, it's listed "Like New" and for less than half the costs of a new one. I have had 2 responses and no "lookers". I am not in a hurry to sell, but if I were it would be a hurtin on us. I belive... it's going to get worse before it improves. Jackie From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Oct 6 05:38:57 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Oct 6 05:45:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Not a good time for selling Message-ID: I'm just glad I don't need to sell jukes to make a living.One thing I can say is people don't give up certain things even during a recession and tv is one.It's cheap entertainment I guess.While a lot of businesses are hurting we are staying busy thanks to the dismal reliability of these new tvs and Circuit City,Best Buy ,Sams and yes even Walmart selling service contracts. When somebody has a contract they're going to get that tv fixed whether they have money for other things or not.Oh and DLP tvs are my favorite. I love getting paid to come to someone's house to change a lamp. Takes 5 minutes and I'm out the door. And a lot of people are still getting the old big bulky 90s tvs fixed because they now realize they don't need a new tv after February and can't quite afford a new flat panel tv. Now what to do with a juke that is taking up excess space until this mess turns around?Actually 2 unwanted ones in the house.The other one is not fixed up yet. I can live with the ones in the sheds but there's no more room out there.I hope your baby grand isn't in your way like this juke is.No more boxy 60s and 70s jukes for me. Can't sell them and don't wanna keep them either. I ain't gonna sell one of my babys to make room in the house(Seeburg 222,Seeburg R,Seeburg C,Wurlitzer 2150,Wurlitzer 2510,Wurlitzer 24,wurlitzer 1400,Seeburg HSC1) not even my Rockola 490-1. My beloved grandmother who passed 9 years ago loved to hear that Rockola belt out country songs especially "Family Tradition" by Hank Williams Jr spo even though it's notmy favorite and you can't see the records play it has sentimental value and was my first juke.Besides it ain't the type of juke that will sell these days though it's note quite as wide and boxy as that Seeburg Sunstar.It's got another sentimental value to it also.Rockola Charlie rebuilt the computer and his address label is on the computer. J.C. In a message dated 10/6/2008 7:24:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: Good Morning, after reading all the posts regarding the sluggish market and the resale of Jukes, I also wanted to mention I have had my Baby Grand Piano up for sale on Craigslist for a month, it's listed "Like New" and for less than half the costs of a new one. I have had 2 responses and no "lookers". I am not in a hurry to sell, but if I were it would be a hurtin on us. I belive... it's going to get worse before it improves. Jackie New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 6 08:13:12 2008 From: fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com (Justin S.) Date: Mon Oct 6 08:14:20 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi C light socket... Message-ID: I'm trying to help a friend get his AMi C finished. At some point in its life the two light sockets/brackets behind the mirror were disconnected and removed. I found one in my parts pile. Trying to source another for him. I've checked with the usual suppliers. Does anyone on the list have one of these they would be willing to sell? Thanks. Justin _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Mon Oct 6 08:13:38 2008 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Mon Oct 6 08:14:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 wall mount kit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <693226.25137.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Rick, from memory, the wall mounting kit was a very simple but strong wooden bracket, painted black(At least my one was) so it should be easy to make one. This is going back many years, but I seem to remember ther was a wooden or metal peg on a chain that slotted into the top of the machine. I guess this was to stop it toppling over onto anyone standing on front of it. See if there is a hole in the top of your machine. My memory is not what it used to be, so perhaps others on the group might be able to shed more light on the subject. Regards Gary From digiovanni13 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 08:36:38 2008 From: digiovanni13 at yahoo.com (S.R. Boland) Date: Mon Oct 6 08:37:47 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? In-Reply-To: <62DC4812177E49E39827B3E2C05BEB3E@acerc2d0f03b5f> Message-ID: <273675.20876.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Aren't all the AMI H's and I's in Europe now? Any left in the States? S.R. "Boris" Boland 511 E. Bloomfield Ave. Royal Oak, MI 48073 Home (248) 583-1956 Office (313) 964-9571 Mobile (248) 808-4688 --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Chris K. Tanner wrote: > From: Chris K. Tanner > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 4:15 AM > I would like to find a decent ami 200 i electric in good > working condition > at a good price. > Any body who has one for sale and can deliver to the > Orlando FL area please > contact me at chris@cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk > Thanks > Chris T > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Travelletti" > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 8:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market dead? > > > > > > Maybe saleability depends on the market you are > pursuing, both > > geographical > > and customer type. I renovate 60's/70's/early > 80's Rowe vinyl jukes in > > eastern Oklahoma. My market is mostly record > collectors who want a juke > > from > > the era most of their records represent. I use > Craigslist and a local > > classified ad magazine. I state my price (higher) is > cash firm, and the > > buyer is required to personally pick it up. I want him > or her to see the > > juke, play it, be instructed on operation and simple > service, and be > > totally > > satisfied with their purchase. These are not > collectors, but people who > > want > > a reliable presentable juke to play their records. My > sales have dropped, > > but not disappeared, and I still get my price. I > worked for Happ for 12 > > years and know a lot of operators with vinyl jukes > gathering dust in their > > warehouses. Many (not all, unfortunately) will nearly > give them away to > > gain > > storage space. > > John Travelletti > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:32 AM > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market > dead? > > > > > >> I've always found it difficult to sell late > 60's/early 70's machines for > >> more than $400-$500 no matter how nice they are or > how good the economy > >> is. When people call me looking to sell a machine > like this, I politely > >> turn them down unless they want $50 or less - its > just not worth the > >> effort. Good luck, > >> > >> Jim > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: > >> Cc: > >> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 10:48 AM > >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Is the jukebox market > dead? > >> > >> > >>>I can't believe things are this bad. > I've been trying to sell a fully > >>> shopped 1976 Seeburg STD3 Sunstar since mid > summer. It's on 3 > >>> different > >>> craiglist > >>> areas in Maryland and Delaware. It's been > on WBOC classifieds.It's been > >>> in > >>> the Sussex Guide which goes all over Delaware > and the eastern shore of > >>> Maryland. it's on it's 2nd run in > there with bold so it's easy to see > >>> and no price > >>> mentioned so even someone hoping to get one > cheap might call and not 1 > >>> single > >>> phone call from that listing. I did get a few > no shows at the beginning > >>> of > >>> trying to sell it. > >>> > >>> Should I ebay it or what? Any ideas? I need to > sell it. I don't want to > >>> sit > >>> on it for several years until the economy > turns around if it turns > >>> around.I > >>> see the local guy fixing and selling Rowe > jukes has got desperate and > >>> put one > >>> on ebay for a much cheaper Buy It Now price > than he was in the Sussex > >>> Guide > >>> with 60 day warranty and extras included. > Seems pretty bad if no one > >>> even > >>> calls or emails. > >>> > >>> J.C. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> New MapQuest Local shows what's happening > at your destination. Dining, > >>> Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! > >>> > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> Jukebox-list mailing list > >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >>> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1706 - Release > Date: 10/3/2008 > 6:17 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 6 08:57:16 2008 From: chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk (Chris K. Tanner) Date: Mon Oct 6 08:58:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 wall mount kit References: <693226.25137.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have a wall bracket for a 1484 that I could measure up for you . You need to find out if the mounting detail for the 1464 is similar. The one I have is like an upside down letter "T". The bottom back edge of the jukebox sits on a ledge through which screws into the jukebox. The vertical piece has a hinged strap the top which fits over the top of the jukebox cabinet. There is a thick pin attached which goes into a hole on the top of the cabinet. Inside the jukebox, the idea is to locate this pin with a "D" clip or similar. Chris T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Young" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 wall mount kit Hi Rick, from memory, the wall mounting kit was a very simple but strong wooden bracket, painted black(At least my one was) so it should be easy to make one. This is going back many years, but I seem to remember ther was a wooden or metal peg on a chain that slotted into the top of the machine. I guess this was to stop it toppling over onto anyone standing on front of it. See if there is a hole in the top of your machine. My memory is not what it used to be, so perhaps others on the group might be able to shed more light on the subject. Regards Gary _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1709 - Release Date: 10/5/2008 9:20 AM From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 09:03:08 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Oct 6 09:04:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi C light socket... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <940632.15224.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Justin, I MAY have--send me a photo off list, and I'll see if it matches anything I have?ronnnrich@yahoo.com??Ron Rich? --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Justin S. wrote: From: Justin S. Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMi C light socket... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 8:13 AM I'm trying to help a friend get his AMi C finished. At some point in its life the two light sockets/brackets behind the mirror were disconnected and removed. I found one in my parts pile. Trying to source another for him. I've checked with the usual suppliers. Does anyone on the list have one of these they would be willing to sell? Thanks. Justin _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 08:14:42 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Oct 6 09:15:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox market dead along with the state of affairs? In-Reply-To: <3154d3690810060255l1a84dd7bmb5d6a5f724ee2f98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <912979.79154.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > PS - I took the Suburban to the show and just the cost of > gas was over $900 > at 8 US dollars per gallon. So there. > You will adjust, too. I was in Germany in May and gas was about $9/gallon, diesel $8/gallon. Has your price gone down, or was it always lower? Also, last week I was getting my Trailblazer serviced, and the dealer gave me a Suburban to use. What a pig! It was like driving a school bus. I can't see why anybody would want one unless they needed it for their business. All these little housewives driving them around over here obviously have more money than sense. From drjukebox at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 09:28:38 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Mon Oct 6 09:29:46 2008 Subject: OT!!! Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox market dead along with the state of affairs? Message-ID: <3154d3690810060928s1de85f41g8a75398351416fae@mail.gmail.com> Price varies day by day now. Diesel is often more expensive than gasoline. The Suburban is registered as an "environmental friendly car" here! Believe it or not. Since 2003 they have flexifuel 350 engines. This means I won't have to pay road fees in Stockholm....and park easier. Ethanol also means decent driving economy. But I couldn't find ethanol in Germany or Holland (or even in the US for that matter). And driving 100 mph on Autobahn.... I love my Suburban as does the kids. Not a car for commuting, but I will drive it until the cost becomes prohibitive. Normally I drive my old Volvo station wagon. I can get 30 mpg. Also great for hauling jukeboxes. Jens On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:14 PM, David Breneman wrote: > > --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > > > > PS - I took the Suburban to the show and just the cost of > > gas was over $900 > > at 8 US dollars per gallon. So there. > > You will adjust, too. > > I was in Germany in May and gas was about $9/gallon, diesel > $8/gallon. Has your price gone down, or was it always lower? > Also, last week I was getting my Trailblazer serviced, and > the dealer gave me a Suburban to use. What a pig! It was > like driving a school bus. I can't see why anybody would > want one unless they needed it for their business. All > these little housewives driving them around over here > obviously have more money than sense. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 6 11:25:58 2008 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Mon Oct 6 11:27:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 wall mount kit In-Reply-To: <693226.25137.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <693226.25137.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hi Gary, thank you for the reply. My machine has the hole in the top for the pin, but the bracket should be angle iron (I'm told). It's an upside down T shaped thing. I'll just have to buy an angle at the store and make up my own. Seem this bracket is rarer than the juke :O Rick. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Young To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 wall mount kit Hi Rick, from memory, the wall mounting kit was a very simple but strong wooden bracket, painted black(At least my one was) so it should be easy to make one. This is going back many years, but I seem to remember ther was a wooden or metal peg on a chain that slotted into the top of the machine. I guess this was to stop it toppling over onto anyone standing on front of it. See if there is a hole in the top of your machine. My memory is not what it used to be, so perhaps others on the group might be able to shed more light on the subject. Regards Gary _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From perkinsprima at yahoo.co.uk Mon Oct 6 12:12:06 2008 From: perkinsprima at yahoo.co.uk (glyn morgan) Date: Mon Oct 6 12:13:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3700 selection difficulties Message-ID: <703011.8377.qm@web25303.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hi many thanks to all for helpful replies, it did turn out to be letter S at fault. As its not easy to get to I sprayed switch cleaner then used airline to blow out dirt. Working a treat now. cheers Glyn From crispinjbl at guilde.co.uk Mon Oct 6 14:21:25 2008 From: crispinjbl at guilde.co.uk (Crispin Murray) Date: Mon Oct 6 15:02:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 wall mount kit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Rick, I have an original bracket (and a 1464) although it has had all the mounting pegs drilled out ? the top one on a hinge, and the bottom two. Basically it is an inverted T shape with a hinge on top, but with an extra cross bar just by the hinge, the lower crossbar is a 90 degree angle with two pegs in it. It would be screwed to the wall with about 12 very large countersunk screws. I suspect it is very rare as they probably mostly fell off the wall complete with 250 lbs of jukebox. Mine isn?t yet attached to the wall, but will be when I have strengthened the wall sufficiently! - (and welded some new pegs in). I will make a drawing and take measurements for you and send it to you off list (I will be away for a few days, but will do it at the weekend). I you build one I would recommend adding something inside the wall to help spread the load a bit, and reduce the risk.... I must admit, I am looking forward to fitting our 1464 on the wall, as it will look so surprising just kind of floating there. Btw, did I offer to scan an original flyer for the 1464 for you? I have a feeling that I did some time ago and I must apologise, because I had completely forgotten until now ? would you still like this? Crispin From: Rick Force Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:24:11 -0700 To: Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 wall mount kit Hi all, does anyone here have the 1464 wall kit laying around in their shop or warehouse? I will make one if need be, but wanted to see if one was available anywhere. I will take video of my 1464 playing and post to U tube soon. Thank you, Rick (who has a nice 222 for sale). _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 15:34:24 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Oct 6 15:35:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Not a good time for selling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <952039.33138.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> JC, What "lamp" are you changing--sounds like just my forte--5 minutes work !! Ron Rich --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Not a good time for selling To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 5:38 AM I'm just glad I don't need to sell jukes to make a living.One thing I can say is people don't give up certain things even during a recession and tv is one.It's cheap entertainment I guess.While a lot of businesses are hurting we are staying busy thanks to the dismal reliability of these new tvs and Circuit City,Best Buy ,Sams and yes even Walmart selling service contracts. When somebody has a contract they're going to get that tv fixed whether they have money for other things or not.Oh and DLP tvs are my favorite. I love getting paid to come to someone's house to change a lamp. Takes 5 minutes and I'm out the door. And a lot of people are still getting the old big bulky 90s tvs fixed because they now realize they don't need a new tv after February and can't quite afford a new flat panel tv. Now what to do with a juke that is taking up excess space until this mess turns around?Actually 2 unwanted ones in the house.The other one is not fixed up yet. I can live with the ones in the sheds but there's no more room out there.I hope your baby grand isn't in your way like this juke is.No more boxy 60s and 70s jukes for me. Can't sell them and don't wanna keep them either. I ain't gonna sell one of my babys to make room in the house(Seeburg 222,Seeburg R,Seeburg C,Wurlitzer 2150,Wurlitzer 2510,Wurlitzer 24,wurlitzer 1400,Seeburg HSC1) not even my Rockola 490-1. My beloved grandmother who passed 9 years ago loved to hear that Rockola belt out country songs especially "Family Tradition" by Hank Williams Jr spo even though it's notmy favorite and you can't see the records play it has sentimental value and was my first juke.Besides it ain't the type of juke that will sell these days though it's note quite as wide and boxy as that Seeburg Sunstar.It's got another sentimental value to it also.Rockola Charlie rebuilt the computer and his address label is on the computer. J.C. In a message dated 10/6/2008 7:24:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: Good Morning, after reading all the posts regarding the sluggish market and the resale of Jukes, I also wanted to mention I have had my Baby Grand Piano up for sale on Craigslist for a month, it's listed "Like New" and for less than half the costs of a new one. I have had 2 responses and no "lookers". I am not in a hurry to sell, but if I were it would be a hurtin on us. I belive... it's going to get worse before it improves. Jackie New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Mon Oct 6 16:39:23 2008 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David) Date: Mon Oct 6 16:48:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off topic Ebay Auction Sniper opinions ?? Message-ID: <005901c9280c$c397e4c0$df1f8b45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Just wondering if anybody has heard of the Auction Sniper. From what I understand it's supposed to be an aide for bidding on Ebay. Small fee for wins. Last minute bidding. Opinions? Pros. cons. I have certainly been beat out at the last minute. Just not as fast as I used to be. Scam? Thanks all, David From raker at knology.net Mon Oct 6 16:55:39 2008 From: raker at knology.net (Robert Aker) Date: Mon Oct 6 16:56:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off topic Ebay Auction Sniper opinions ?? References: <005901c9280c$c397e4c0$df1f8b45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000601c9280f$08cd42e0$0301a8c0@desktop> i have used it several times - puts in my best bid at 5 seconds to go. Sometimes I win and sometimes there is a higher proxy bid. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:39 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off topic Ebay Auction Sniper opinions ?? Just wondering if anybody has heard of the Auction Sniper. From what I understand it's supposed to be an aide for bidding on Ebay. Small fee for wins. Last minute bidding. Opinions? Pros. cons. I have certainly been beat out at the last minute. Just not as fast as I used to be. Scam? Thanks all, David _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Oct 6 17:14:26 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Oct 6 17:21:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] lamps o.t. was Not a good time for selling Message-ID: It's a dlp projection lamp. They're special lamps that go in dlp and LCD projection tvs.It's a mercury arc lamp,no filament and is fired with a high voltage that goes down to about 100 volts to keep it fired as long as the tv is on.They were the cheaper alternative to flat panel tvs before Plasma tvs came down in price and flat panel LCDs got big.Most manufacturers have stopped making them now or are going to but millions were sold in the last 5 years or so and the lamp has a limited life.As little as 4,000 hours in some cases but I've seen them go as much as 10,000 hours on the ones that have timers that you can see how many hours are on the lamp.The lamp itself,how many times the tv is turned on or off,ventilation and heat all affect the life.It's 5 minutes to change if you get the original manufacturer's lamp with the housing.Philips and Osram are the big makers and make nearly all the lamps inside and you can buy the bare lamp cheaper but you have to take apart the housing so that's about 15 minutes work...lol. The dlp and lcd projection replaced the old bulky 3 tube crt projection tv although millions of people are still using those old crt based bigscreen tvs.My mother has a humongous Mitsubishi that turned 21 this year and it's still going like the energizer bunny. None of this new stuff will last like the old but I hate adjusting convergence on one of those old monsters.And you actually had to troubleshoot them and solder replacement parts in...lol. Flat panels and dlps you only need to find the bad board/assy.Most boards are multilayer and packed with surface mount components and not field repairable if you even wanted to work on such things.I have repaired a lot of power supplies as a lot of them have electrolytics that dry up and develop high esr and that can be fixed.Just fixed my 4 year old Vizio plasma and found 6 caps with high or marginal esr.Now it doesn't take 20 or more tries to get it to power on and stay on. J.C. In a message dated 10/6/2008 6:36:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: JC, What "lamp" are you changing--sounds like just my forte--5 minutes work !! Ron Rich **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From wbabbott at verizon.net Mon Oct 6 17:01:19 2008 From: wbabbott at verizon.net (Britt Abbott) Date: Mon Oct 6 18:03:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Not a good time for selling Message-ID: <15374421.3700071223337679830.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> So, JC.... in your opinion, what's the most reliable, best flatscreen TV on the market? Britt Chesapeake, VA On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > I'm just glad I don't need to sell jukes to make a living.One thing I > can say is people don't give up certain things even during a > recession and tv is one.It's cheap entertainment I guess.While a lot > of businesses are hurting we are staying busy thanks to the dismal > reliability of these new tvs and Circuit City,Best Buy ,Sams and yes > even Walmart selling service contracts. When somebody has a contract > they're going to get that tv fixed whether they have money for other > things or not.Oh and DLP tvs are my favorite. I love getting paid to > come to someone's house to change a lamp. Takes 5 minutes and I'm out > the door. > And a lot of people are still getting the old big bulky 90s tvs fixed > because they now realize they don't need a new tv after February and > can't quite afford a new flat panel tv. > Now what to do with a juke that is taking up excess space until this > mess turns around?Actually 2 unwanted ones in the house.The other one > is not fixed up yet. I can live with the ones in the sheds but > there's no more room out there.I hope your baby grand isn't in your > way like this juke is.No more boxy 60s and 70s jukes for me. Can't > sell them and don't wanna keep them either. > I ain't gonna sell one of my babys to make room in the house(Seeburg > 222,Seeburg R,Seeburg C,Wurlitzer 2150,Wurlitzer 2510,Wurlitzer > 24,wurlitzer 1400,Seeburg HSC1) not even my Rockola 490-1. My beloved > grandmother who passed 9 years ago loved to hear that Rockola belt > out country songs especially "Family Tradition" by Hank Williams Jr > spo even though it's notmy favorite and you can't see the records > play it has sentimental value and was my first juke.Besides it ain't > the type of juke that will sell these days though it's note quite as > wide and boxy as that Seeburg Sunstar.It's got another sentimental > value to it also.Rockola Charlie rebuilt the computer and his address > label is on the computer. > J.C. > In a message dated 10/6/2008 7:24:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > etreble7@verizon.net writes: > > Good Morning, > after reading all the posts regarding the sluggish market and the > resale of Jukes, I also wanted to mention I have had my Baby Grand > Piano up for sale on Craigslist for a month, it's listed "Like New" > and for less than half the costs of a new one. I have had 2 > responses and no "lookers". I am not in a hurry to sell, but if I > were it would be a hurtin on us. > > I belive... it's going to get worse before it improves. > Jackie > > > > > > New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 6 21:33:56 2008 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Mon Oct 6 21:35:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off topic Ebay Auction Sniper opinions ?? In-Reply-To: <005901c9280c$c397e4c0$df1f8b45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> <000601c9280f$08cd42e0$0301a8c0@desktop> References: <005901c9280c$c397e4c0$df1f8b45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> <000601c9280f$08cd42e0$0301a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: hi, I use hammersnipe, rick. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Aker To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off topic Ebay Auction Sniper opinions ?? i have used it several times - puts in my best bid at 5 seconds to go. Sometimes I win and sometimes there is a higher proxy bid. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:39 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off topic Ebay Auction Sniper opinions ?? Just wondering if anybody has heard of the Auction Sniper. From what I understand it's supposed to be an aide for bidding on Ebay. Small fee for wins. Last minute bidding. Opinions? Pros. cons. I have certainly been beat out at the last minute. Just not as fast as I used to be. Scam? Thanks all, David _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From edbap at aol.com Mon Oct 6 22:38:28 2008 From: edbap at aol.com (Ed Baptista) Date: Mon Oct 6 22:45:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off topic Ebay Auction Sniper opinions ?? In-Reply-To: References: <005901c9280c$c397e4c0$df1f8b45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net><000601c9280f$08cd42e0$0301a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <8CAF6560FA3BD1C-1430-2711@FWM-M12.sysops.aol.com> The snipe services, and there are more than one, are out there, and they provide a service.? I have used them, and as a bidder, I think they are good. You can program in when you want your bid placed, 3 seconds to go, 5 seconds to go, or 5 minutes to go, or any other time frame that you choose.? The fees are pretty slim, I don't remember how much it is, but its pretty small.? What it does for you, the bidder, is it places the bid you want to place, but do not have time to do it, or its at a time that is not convienent to you, such as late night auctions.? It also places your bid so close to the end of the auction that if any additional bidders have not placed a higher bid already, they will not have time to do it, after your bid is placed.? I think a good service for serious buyers,?You can still get beat of course, but if you bid your max bid, and some guy has already placed his max, and its higher than yours, your not gonna win it anyway!? I have to admit I personally do get a thrill out of bidding at the last 5 seconds of an ebay auction, if it is something that I truely MUST HAVE.? There is a feeling of acomplishment of bidding the last five seconds and WINNING! Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: Rick Force To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 9:33 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off topic Ebay Auction Sniper opinions ?? hi, I use hammersnipe, rick. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Aker To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Off topic Ebay Auction Sniper opinions ?? i have used it several times - puts in my best bid at 5 seconds to go. Sometimes I win and sometimes there is a higher proxy bid. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:39 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off topic Ebay Auction Sniper opinions ?? Just wondering if anybody has heard of the Auction Sniper. From what I understand it's supposed to be an aide for bidding on Ebay. Small fee for wins. Last minute bidding. Opinions? Pros. cons. I have certainly been beat out at the last minute. Just not as fast as I used to be. Scam? Thanks all, David _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 7 00:54:32 2008 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Tue Oct 7 00:55:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 wall mount kit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Crispin, I forgot to ask you what number machine you have? Mine is #30. Rick. >From: Crispin Murray >Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list >To: Jukebox mailing list >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 wall mount kit >Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:21:25 +0100 > > >Hi Rick, > >I have an original bracket (and a 1464) although it has had all the >mounting >pegs drilled out ­ the top one on a hinge, and the bottom two. Basically it >is an inverted T shape with a hinge on top, but with an extra cross bar >just >by the hinge, the lower crossbar is a 90 degree angle with two pegs in it. >It would be screwed to the wall with about 12 very large countersunk >screws. >I suspect it is very rare as they probably mostly fell off the wall >complete >with 250 lbs of jukebox. Mine isn¹t yet attached to the wall, but will be >when I have strengthened the wall sufficiently! - (and welded some new pegs >in). > >I will make a drawing and take measurements for you and send it to you off >list (I will be away for a few days, but will do it at the weekend). I you >build one I would recommend adding something inside the wall to help spread >the load a bit, and reduce the risk.... I must admit, I am looking forward >to fitting our 1464 on the wall, as it will look so surprising just kind of >floating there. > >Btw, did I offer to scan an original flyer for the 1464 for you? I have a >feeling that I did some time ago and I must apologise, because I had >completely forgotten until now ­ would you still like this? > >Crispin > > > > > >From: Rick Force >Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list >Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:24:11 -0700 >To: >Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 wall mount kit > >Hi all, >does anyone here have the 1464 wall kit laying around in their shop or >warehouse? I will make one if need be, but wanted to see if one was >available anywhere. I will take video of my 1464 playing and post to U tube >soon. Thank you, Rick (who has a nice 222 for sale). > > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Tue Oct 7 02:22:07 2008 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Tue Oct 7 02:29:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off topic Ebay Auction Sniper opinions ?? Message-ID: The best way for me, and it is totally free, is to bid the very max that I will pay for the item several minutes before the auction ends. If I win the bid, I have a great sense of accomplishment that I won the bid at the PRICE that I was willing to pay. This eliminates the short term thrill of winning the bid on an item that in the long run I feel that I PAID too much for it. Just my thoughts. Brantley From crispinjbl at guilde.co.uk Tue Oct 7 05:35:53 2008 From: crispinjbl at guilde.co.uk (Crispin Murray) Date: Tue Oct 7 05:55:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 wall mount kit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Rick, 200217 I will take some photos and measurements at the weekend for you.... Crispin From: Rick Force Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:54:32 -0700 To: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1464 wall mount kit Hi Crispin, I forgot to ask you what number machine you have? Mine is #30. Rick. From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 05:56:20 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Tue Oct 7 05:57:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Oil Can Message-ID: <928230.25674.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, Does anyone know what the original oil cans looked like that came with the old prewar Wurlitzers? I doubt they were marked or at least I sure haven't ever seen one. Probably bought by Wurlitzer as "low bid" from various distributors? I have been buying small oil cans for a time and would like to put the proper ones in my old jukeboxes (if I have any that are correct). I can post a photo of the ones I have if needed. I wonder what tools were included with the old jukeboxes? David Wendell From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Tue Oct 7 06:54:56 2008 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Tue Oct 7 07:10:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Oil Can In-Reply-To: <928230.25674.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <928230.25674.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I saw what was supposed to be an official Wurlitzer oil can on E-bay once. There was no name on it, and it was just a dull tin oil can, with a round bottom, and a long tappered spout. I think it went for something like $50, but again, there was no way of knowing if it was even actually supplied by Wurlitzer. You're probably just as well off using whatever generic oil can you've got. It's really more for show, as a Zoom Spout can get in so many more tight areas than the original oil can. That's my 2 cents. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of david wendell Sent: 2008, October, 07 8:56 AM To: jukebox list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Oil Can Hi All, Does anyone know what the original oil cans looked like that came with the old prewar Wurlitzers? I doubt they were marked or at least I sure haven't ever seen one. Probably bought by Wurlitzer as "low bid" from various distributors? I have been buying small oil cans for a time and would like to put the proper ones in my old jukeboxes (if I have any that are correct). I can post a photo of the ones I have if needed. I wonder what tools were included with the old jukeboxes? David Wendell _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 07:10:53 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Tue Oct 7 07:12:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Oil Can In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <694375.40330.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike, I also have seen those oil cans a couple of times on Ebay. I was shocked to see the selling prices. They look very common and I think my dad used to get them at the hardware store for about 25 cents when I was a kid (a very long time ago). I always buy them when I see them at an estate sale, here, in the Geritol Ghetto. Thanks for the reply. David --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > From: Dicecco, Michael > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Oil Can > To: dwaw12@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 7:54 AM > I saw what was supposed to be an official Wurlitzer oil can > on E-bay > once. There was no name on it, and it was just a dull tin > oil can, with > a round bottom, and a long tappered spout. > I think it went for something like $50, but again, there > was no way of > knowing if it was even actually supplied by Wurlitzer. > > You're probably just as well off using whatever generic > oil can you've > got. > > It's really more for show, as a Zoom Spout can get in > so many more tight > areas than the original oil can. > > That's my 2 cents. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf > Of david > wendell > Sent: 2008, October, 07 8:56 AM > To: jukebox list > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Oil Can > > Hi All, > > Does anyone know what the original oil cans looked like > that came with > the old prewar Wurlitzers? I doubt they were marked or at > least I sure > haven't ever seen one. Probably bought by Wurlitzer as > "low bid" from > various distributors? I have been buying small oil cans > for a time and > would like to put the proper ones in my old jukeboxes (if I > have any > that are correct). I can post a photo of the ones I have > if needed. > > I wonder what tools were included with the old jukeboxes? > > David Wendell > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the > sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the > information it contains by other than an intended recipient > is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by > return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. > L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations > qui s'y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des > renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que > le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, > veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de > courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Oct 7 07:51:15 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Oct 7 07:52:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Oil Can References: <928230.25674.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: David, that's a nice idea to have the tools/oil can with the correct era of Juke. Tell us more, Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "david wendell" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:56 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Oil Can > Hi All, > > Does anyone know what the original oil cans looked like that came with the > old prewar Wurlitzers? I doubt they were marked or at least I sure > haven't ever seen one. Probably bought by Wurlitzer as "low bid" from > various distributors? I have been buying small oil cans for a time and > would like to put the proper ones in my old jukeboxes (if I have any that > are correct). I can post a photo of the ones I have if needed. > > I wonder what tools were included with the old jukeboxes? > > David Wendell > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 7 12:33:28 2008 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Tue Oct 7 12:34:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Ebay Auction Sniper opinions ?? Message-ID: <410883.15148.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have used eSnipe for years. I used eSnipe to snag a nice Seeburg 1939 Classic "donor-box" for cheeeeep last week! I used to like the rush of manually sniping but frankly having to watch the clock and sometimes wake up in the middle of the night to poise my finger over the refresh button got kinda old. Only problem with these sniping tools is you gotta be able to shake off the lost auctions. Actually, I feel better in these cases knowing I didn't let emotions get me into a bidding war and eventually having buyer's remorse in over-paying for something. So, I highly recommend eSnipe. It has not let me down yet! Bob - Chicago ----------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:39:23 -0400 From: "David" Subject: [Jukebox-list] Off topic Ebay Auction Sniper opinions ?? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Message-ID: <005901c9280c$c397e4c0$df1f8b45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just wondering if anybody has heard of the Auction Sniper. From what I understand it's supposed to be an aide for bidding on Ebay. Small fee for wins. Last minute bidding. Opinions? Pros. cons. I have certainly been beat out at the last minute. Just not as fast as I used to be. Scam? Thanks all, David From pat2355 at aol.com Tue Oct 7 12:42:40 2008 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Tue Oct 7 12:50:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I kinda look at it as pimping da ride Message-ID: <8CAF6CBFE66F2B8-8F8-7A4@mblk-d33.sysops.aol.com> I try to buy pieces that the juke mighta had once like steppers, remote volume controls, PA set-ups and other crazy juke related stuff. If i'm investing my energy in this area of collectibles anyway why pass up spare records, record totes, shirts, speakers, wallboxes etc. They sometimes become more rare than the juke they came with. I picked up an old Shyvers turned into a lamp for $75 because the owner knew I was into jukes. Pat From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 20:12:37 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Oct 7 20:13:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I kinda look at it as pimping da ride In-Reply-To: <8CAF6CBFE66F2B8-8F8-7A4@mblk-d33.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <791955.12158.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 10/7/08, pat2355@aol.com wrote: > I picked up an old Shyvers turned into a lamp for $75 because > the owner knew I was into jukes. OK, you got me with that one. What is a Shyvers? From drjukebox at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 21:39:15 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Tue Oct 7 21:40:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I kinda look at it as pimping da ride In-Reply-To: <791955.12158.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8CAF6CBFE66F2B8-8F8-7A4@mblk-d33.sysops.aol.com> <791955.12158.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690810072139r2a653d3araf986fa4c1505595@mail.gmail.com> Living where you are ya really oughta know! http://www.dyz.com/phones/multiphone.html On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:12 AM, David Breneman wrote: > > --- On Tue, 10/7/08, pat2355@aol.com wrote: > > > I picked up an old Shyvers turned into a lamp for $75 because > > the owner knew I was into jukes. > > OK, you got me with that one. What is a Shyvers? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ccos at knology.net Wed Oct 8 10:09:57 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Oct 8 10:11:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Firebird Part Message-ID: Hi all, Looking for a part for an NSM Firebird (or similar) wall mounted jukebox. I need the plastic block that is on the bottom right of the door. I don't know what it's called or have a part number. The block is sloped and contacts the bottom of the jukebox when the door is closed to make the door raise as it closes. This block is about 2 or 3 inches square and black. One screw in the middle holds it up to the door. Sorry for muddling through the description of the part like this, but I don't know how else to describe it. I have a jukebox on location that won't stay locked without this part so I'm desperate and haven't been able to find one. If anyone has one they wish to sell, please contact me at ccos@knology.net. Thanks, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 From ccos at knology.net Wed Oct 8 12:39:43 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Oct 8 12:40:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Black & Gray Boxes Message-ID: Also looking for a known good set of black and gray boxes for a Seeburg. TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 From kklashley at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 12:40:37 2008 From: kklashley at yahoo.com (Kevin Lashley) Date: Wed Oct 8 12:41:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 5u4 vacuum tube locator pin. Message-ID: <897898.67636.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, ? I need some help. I have a tube that the locator pin broke off. I have lost the locator pin.... Can someone tell me which way the pin pointed. It is a DUMONT tube. with 5 pins . three on one side two on the other. Thanks for any helpKevin From jay at west.net Wed Oct 8 12:56:09 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Oct 8 12:57:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 5u4 vacuum tube locator pin. In-Reply-To: <897898.67636.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <897898.67636.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48ED1059.7050309@west.net> Kevin Lashley wrote: > Hi all, > > I need some help. I have a tube that the locator pin broke off. I have lost the locator pin.... Can someone tell me which way the pin pointed. It is a DUMONT tube. with 5 pins . three on one side two on the other. If you examine the base of the tube you will be able to see the bump in the outline of the broken locator where the ridge goes. There are only four active pins. Pins 2 and 8 are the filament and should show continuity to each other with an ohmmeter. Pins 4 and 6 are the plates and should show an open circuit to all other pins. Any additional pins, if present, aren't connected to anything. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Oct 8 13:17:49 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Oct 8 13:20:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 5u4 vacuum tube locator pin. Message-ID: <20081008.161749.5611.1@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Hello Kevin: Look at the center of the socket base of the tube. You will be able to see a notch in the plastic keyway pin where it broke off. This was the locator (key way) guide pin. Take a marker and mark on the side of the tube base where the notch is oriented. Line up the mark you just made with the locator notch in the amplifier's tube socket. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Inventors: Does your idea have potential for millions? Click for info. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4taag2OomSoTN6CV3mGbkFOt7WwwnQMqqyAmA4aq5YGaBVs6/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 13:21:04 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Oct 8 13:22:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I kinda look at it as pimping da ride In-Reply-To: <3154d3690810072139r2a653d3araf986fa4c1505595@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <715216.24236.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > Living where you are ya really oughta know! > http://www.dyz.com/phones/multiphone.html I'd heard of this service, but not under that name. (It was a little before my time.) Seattle was also the home of Muzak. Those crazy Scandinavian fishermen just love their piped-in music. :-) From jeremy at dwave.net Wed Oct 8 14:35:46 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Wed Oct 8 14:46:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Black & Gray Boxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081008213007.M91315@dwave.net> Hi Carl, I have several black boxes removed from DEC consoletts. I really don't need all of them so anyone who is in need I would be glad to help out. Jeremy Agema P.S. I also have many keyboard assembles and a few other consolett parts. On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:39:43 -0400, CCOS wrote > Also looking for a known good set of black and gray boxes for a > Seeburg. > > TIA, > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S Lumpkin Rd > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706) 507-2963 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Wed Oct 8 14:51:26 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Oct 8 14:52:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Black & Gray Boxes In-Reply-To: <20081008213007.M91315@dwave.net> References: <20081008213007.M91315@dwave.net> Message-ID: <7E515D1D37CE4D2581283B21913CFE5F@CCOSPC> Jeremy, I really need bot a gray and a black box but I will buy just the black one from you if you know it's good. Let me know how much with shipping and how you'd like me to pay you. Thanks, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Agema" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Black & Gray Boxes > Hi Carl, I have several black boxes removed from DEC consoletts. I really > don't need all of them so anyone who is in need I would be glad to help > out. > > Jeremy Agema > > P.S. I also have many keyboard assembles and a few other consolett parts. > > > On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:39:43 -0400, CCOS wrote >> Also looking for a known good set of black and gray boxes for a >> Seeburg. >> >> TIA, >> >> Karl >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >> 2061 S Lumpkin Rd >> Columbus, GA 31903 >> (706) 507-2963 >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 19:32:42 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Oct 8 19:33:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Black & Gray Boxes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <307502.72982.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Karl, I gottem--contact me off list. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 10/8/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Black & Gray Boxes To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 12:39 PM Also looking for a known good set of black and gray boxes for a Seeburg. TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Wed Oct 8 19:41:25 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Oct 8 19:42:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Black & Gray Boxes In-Reply-To: <20081008213007.M91315@dwave.net> References: <20081008213007.M91315@dwave.net> Message-ID: <7C68D0D5789B4FCE8C75B42D8ACC4694@CCOSPC> Hey Jeremy, Ron's got em both so I'm gonna grab em from him. I appreciate your response. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Agema" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Black & Gray Boxes > Hi Carl, I have several black boxes removed from DEC consoletts. I really > don't need all of them so anyone who is in need I would be glad to help > out. > > Jeremy Agema > > P.S. I also have many keyboard assembles and a few other consolett parts. > > > On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:39:43 -0400, CCOS wrote >> Also looking for a known good set of black and gray boxes for a >> Seeburg. >> >> TIA, >> >> Karl >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >> 2061 S Lumpkin Rd >> Columbus, GA 31903 >> (706) 507-2963 >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From Jjmscf at aol.com Thu Oct 9 05:13:02 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Thu Oct 9 05:20:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer pre war cedit unit cover and I don't get ebay Message-ID: I just don't get ebay. Coinopwarehouse listed 2 Wurlitzer prewar credit unit covers which my Wurlitzer 24 is missing . The 1st one was sold for $34. At the time the other one had only 1 bid at $9.99 so I let the 1st one go.Big mistake on my part. This morning I went to bid on it as it ends while I'm at work.It was up to $15.50 only. I couldn't best the guy at $70 which was my absolute limit. What gives? Anyone got one to sell cheaper than $70? I've seen items that got no bids the 1st time and regretted not bidding on them because the 2nd time they go way high. J.C. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 06:51:02 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Thu Oct 9 06:52:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer pre war cedit unit cover and I don't get ebay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's not just Ebay. I've frequently seen a beat up jukebox go for like $700 at the arcade auctions, and then the identical model sitting right next to in excellent shape goes for $50. Just makes you want to scratch your head and wonder... On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:13 AM, wrote: > I just don't get ebay. Coinopwarehouse listed 2 Wurlitzer prewar credit > unit > covers which my Wurlitzer 24 is missing . The 1st one was sold for $34. At > the time the other one had only 1 bid at $9.99 so I let the 1st one go.Big > mistake on my part. This morning I went to bid on it as it ends while I'm > at > work.It was up to $15.50 only. I couldn't best the guy at $70 which was my > absolute limit. What gives? Anyone got one to sell cheaper than $70? > > I've seen items that got no bids the 1st time and regretted not bidding on > them because the 2nd time they go way high. > > J.C. > > > > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From rudymart at charter.net Thu Oct 9 08:21:36 2008 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Thu Oct 9 15:31:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] fuses Message-ID: <730123EFFD3640DD9C1A50FA67EC13BF@luluPC> does anyone know where i can locate mdl 1 6/10 and mdq 8/10 amp fuses? rudy From johntrav at suddenlink.net Thu Oct 9 16:10:21 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Thu Oct 9 16:31:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] fuses References: <730123EFFD3640DD9C1A50FA67EC13BF@luluPC> Message-ID: <5D10F12676AC4AAA9FA15D68ED59BEEE@JOHNTRAV> MDL 1 6/10A fuse Happ # 49-0598-00 minimum order 10. Their lowest amp MDQ dual element fuse is 1 amp. P/N is MDQ1. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "rudymart" To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:21 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] fuses does anyone know where i can locate mdl 1 6/10 and mdq 8/10 amp fuses? rudy _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Thu Oct 9 16:45:30 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Oct 9 16:46:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] fuses In-Reply-To: <730123EFFD3640DD9C1A50FA67EC13BF@luluPC> References: <730123EFFD3640DD9C1A50FA67EC13BF@luluPC> Message-ID: <48EE979A.6010809@telus.net> rudymart wrote: > does anyone know where i can locate mdl 1 6/10 and mdq 8/10 amp fuses? rudy > > http://www.mainelectronics.com is one source - they sell them by the box. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From gibson510 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 9 17:33:08 2008 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Thu Oct 9 17:34:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 5U$ Locator pin Message-ID: once you are absolutely sure of the positioning on the socket, you might want to draw a line on the chassis with a sharpie or similar so you don't have to guess in the event you need to remove and replace it again. I do that with broken "key" on selection receiver plugs that have been broken off. Eliminates guesswork. _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 18:07:28 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:08:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Duh, Dept. Wurl 412? Message-ID: <363922.30305.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi All, I have a stoopid question on a 412 Wurlitzer--any one know how to remove the coin slides and (the mchanical)?"accumulator" ( an EASY way please--I'm lazy !) It's frozen up some where in the area that the coin?slides contact--the other pricing unit that keeps the power on is OK. TIA, Ron Rich From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 18:10:59 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:12:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] fuses In-Reply-To: <730123EFFD3640DD9C1A50FA67EC13BF@luluPC> Message-ID: <488800.90416.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Rudy, Any good electronics store should have the MDL 1.6 --Are you sure about the "MDQ" on the 8/10? If that's a typo, and it should be MDL, --same answer. Where ( in what circuit) are you using them? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 10/9/08, rudymart wrote: From: rudymart Subject: [Jukebox-list] fuses To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 8:21 AM does anyone know where i can locate mdl 1 6/10 and mdq 8/10 amp fuses? rudy _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Oct 9 21:11:17 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Oct 9 21:14:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] fuses Message-ID: <20081010.001117.19019.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Rudy: These fuse values are common and can be obtained at most electronic supply houses, located in most major cities. They can also be found at vending supply wholesalers. You'll even find some well-stocked retailers (i.e. Radio Shack, Home Depot or Lowe's (( electrical department, with lighting fixture parts)) ) will stock them. Usually sold in packages of 5. The designation "MDL" or "MTH" before the fuse value indicates that it's a slo-blo model,designed to withstand minor current surges. Standard fuse models (fast-blo type) are designated as "AGC" models. These designations are made by Bussman one of the largest fuse mfrs. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to become a master chef, own a restaurant and make millions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4t0DWvVkCYOZvpK97MwKDRa4oWmPF1LSm0gIOmmjxyMAL2Sy/ From rudymart at charter.net Thu Oct 9 20:15:12 2008 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Thu Oct 9 23:20:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] fuses Message-ID: ron i was told by an electronic supply that it was an mdq 8/10 standard slo blo fuse made by bussman. it goes to the playrack and the electric selector on a 2410s wurlitzer jukebox. maybe an mdl 8/10 slo blo fuse might work.i'd be willing to try it if it would work.does anyone else have any idea?oh yes the original called for fusetron fuse.rudy From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 10 04:15:26 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Fri Oct 10 04:16:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Duh, Dept. Wurl 412? References: <363922.30305.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01c92ac9$7fbd1120$6101a8c0@Dirksen> There are several thumbscrews holding everything in place. A lot of times they are frozen, but they are slotted on one end and you can use a screwdriver to start them. I think you have to remove the "funnel" that leads to the coin chute first. I believe up by the coin slides you can acess one or two thumbscrews from under the titleboard. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:07 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Duh, Dept. Wurl 412? Hi All, I have a stoopid question on a 412 Wurlitzer--any one know how to remove the coin slides and (the mchanical) "accumulator" ( an EASY way please--I'm lazy !) It's frozen up some where in the area that the coin slides contact--the other pricing unit that keeps the power on is OK. TIA, Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From kklashley at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 05:56:27 2008 From: kklashley at yahoo.com (Kevin Lashley) Date: Fri Oct 10 05:57:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tonearm cable Vs RCA cable. Message-ID: <951384.64942.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've searched this on the web with no luck. What is the difference between a tonearm cable or a higher end rca cable with gold conducter ends. Did they ever use coaxil cable on jukeboxes. That appears to be what I have now.? What is the best thing to use as a Mono cable. ?Any insight is appreciated.? ?Kevin From pinball at telus.net Fri Oct 10 07:56:32 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Oct 10 07:57:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] fuses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48EF6D20.90107@telus.net> rudymart wrote: > ron i was told by an electronic supply that it was an mdq 8/10 standard slo blo fuse made by bussman. it goes to the playrack and the electric selector on a 2410s wurlitzer jukebox. maybe an mdl 8/10 slo blo fuse might work.i'd be willing to try it if it would work.does anyone else have any idea?oh yes the original called for fusetron fuse.rudy > > Fusetron was a type of slo-blo fuses - dual element. A MDL will work in place of a MDQ - at least in the jukeboxes we fix they work fine. I do not know what the difference is... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pinball at telus.net Fri Oct 10 07:59:41 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Oct 10 08:01:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tonearm cable Vs RCA cable. In-Reply-To: <951384.64942.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <951384.64942.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48EF6DDD.6030202@telus.net> Kevin Lashley wrote: > I've searched this on the web with no luck. What is the difference between a tonearm cable or a higher end rca cable with gold conducter ends. Did they ever use coaxil cable on jukeboxes. That appears to be what I have now. What is the best thing to use as a Mono cable. > > Any insight is appreciated. > > Kevin > > For the most part you are looking for a shielded lead that is very flexible so it won't interfere with the tone arm operation. Stiff cables mean heavier tracking and trip requirements... We use proper tone arm shielded wire that has a twisted pair plus a fine shield with no external jacket. I find this works on all pickups including the Cobra. We bought it at an electronics wholeseller. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From joe400f at shaw.ca Fri Oct 10 08:15:14 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Fri Oct 10 08:16:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tonearm cable Vs RCA cable. In-Reply-To: <951384.64942.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <951384.64942.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tone arm wire is very thin and flexible. It has to be able to flex very easily. Bill Bickers sells it. www.jukeboxfridaynight.com Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Lashley Date: Friday, October 10, 2008 7:57 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tonearm cable Vs RCA cable. To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > I've searched this on the web with no luck. What is the > difference between a tonearm cable or a higher end rca cable > with gold conducter ends. Did they ever use coaxil cable on > jukeboxes. That appears to be what I have now. What is the best > thing to use as a Mono cable. > > Any insight is appreciated. > > Kevin > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From gibson510 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 10 11:05:55 2008 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Fri Oct 10 11:07:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-86 Message-ID: Was troubleshooting an R-86 that would sometimes go one position past selection, then after a few more plays, 2 positions past selected. Discovered the nylon gear on the sprag wheel has two spots whee the magazine gear has cut right through the gear tooth. Does anybody have a good one they could part with? The mechanism Model # is 6-08700-01 and the Rowe Part # is 4-07223-01 Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From jay at west.net Fri Oct 10 11:04:21 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Oct 10 11:09:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tonearm cable Vs RCA cable. In-Reply-To: <951384.64942.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <951384.64942.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48EF9925.9080001@west.net> Kevin Lashley wrote: > I've searched this on the web with no luck. What is the difference between a tonearm cable or a higher end rca cable with gold conducter ends. Did they ever use coaxil cable on jukeboxes. That appears to be what I have now. What is the best thing to use as a Mono cable. > > Any insight is appreciated. The key to tonearm cable is that it be very flexible so as not to keep the arm from moving freely and causing skips. Typically on monaural jukeboxes this is a twisted pair of finely stranded wire. A single conductor in a shield is also seen occasionally. Stereo jukes use either two wires in a shield or four conductors twisted together. In any case, the key is that it be thin and flexible. Real tonearm wire isn't as readily available as it once was. A good modern substitute is the wire used for earbud style headphones common with MP3 players, etc. Cheap earbud headphones are available for about $5. The common wire between the plug and the Y split works for stereo and either ear wire works for mono. A steady hand and a good eye are necessary to work with this stuff, true also with traditional old-school tonearm wire. The heat of a soldering iron will melt the insulation back about half an inch or more. A clamp like a hemostat or longnose pliers with a rubber band helps to prevent this. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 11:33:10 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Oct 10 11:34:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Tonearm cable Vs RCA cable. In-Reply-To: <48EF9925.9080001@west.net> Message-ID: <570825.36365.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Jay, Do you know how the "usual" three position plug for those earphone wires is wired? I can't seem to be able to figure it out with a meter. I found that the two "hots" go to the "speakers" but there is about 28 ohms on them, and I cannot determine where the commons are connected on the plug (without tearing one apart). TIA, Ron Rich --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Tonearm cable Vs RCA cable. To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 11:04 AM Kevin Lashley wrote: > I've searched this on the web with no luck. What is the difference between a tonearm cable or a higher end rca cable with gold conducter ends. Did they ever use coaxil cable on jukeboxes. That appears to be what I have now. What is the best thing to use as a Mono cable. > > Any insight is appreciated. The key to tonearm cable is that it be very flexible so as not to keep the arm from moving freely and causing skips. Typically on monaural jukeboxes this is a twisted pair of finely stranded wire. A single conductor in a shield is also seen occasionally. Stereo jukes use either two wires in a shield or four conductors twisted together. In any case, the key is that it be thin and flexible. Real tonearm wire isn't as readily available as it once was. A good modern substitute is the wire used for earbud style headphones common with MP3 players, etc. Cheap earbud headphones are available for about $5. The common wire between the plug and the Y split works for stereo and either ear wire works for mono. A steady hand and a good eye are necessary to work with this stuff, true also with traditional old-school tonearm wire. The heat of a soldering iron will melt the insulation back about half an inch or more. A clamp like a hemostat or longnose pliers with a rubber band helps to prevent this. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 11:38:50 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Oct 10 11:39:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] fuses Message-ID: <303895.42224.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Rudy, I have never seen an MDQ (as far as I know ?)--if it's the same physical size as an MDL, I would guess that a MDL will work, but there must be SOME difference. Perhaps it's what is called "hold time". Usually, a MDL will hold up to 2 times the rated value for a very short time, before it lets go. The rating indicates how much current it will allow to constantly let pass. "Bussman" or "Buss" is the name of one of?companies that makes fuses. "Fusetron" was a "Service marked" name for their first "slow blow fuses". I don't think that the current "Buss" fuse company still uses that "servicemark".? Many years ago, I made several attempts to speak with their company reps to find out what the difference in their designators mean. I was allways told something like--"I'll have someone get back to you--". No one ever did. The other "major" fuse company was "Littlefuse". They do NOT use the same system as Buss. They number their fuses. If I recall right, a 312 LF is a "fastblo" and a 313LF is a "Sloblo", both of which are the same size as the Buss AGC/MTH (fastblo), and Buss MDL(sloblo). There also have been other "naming" systems, using a combination of numbers and letters. "AGC-3"(aka. "3AG")?is one that I can think of---. Today, I don't think that there is any difference in the two brands. It is my guess, from looking at the construction of the?new ones, that they come out of the exact same factory--in China, with the only difference being the way they mark them. I have, on occasion, used a 1.5a SB amp in place of a 1.6 amp SB, without any problem, the same goes for a 1/2 amp in place of a 8/10 th. It is ALWAYS ok to use a lower value fuse, but only after determining what the reason for "blowing", in the first place, and correcting the problem. I would, however, suggest that one (almost) NEVER use a fuse of a higher value, nor a slo blo, in a place that calls for a fast blow. Hope that helps, Ron Rich --- On Thu, 10/9/08, rudymart wrote: From: rudymart Subject: [Jukebox-list] fuses To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 8:15 PM ron i was told by an electronic supply that it was an mdq 8/10 standard slo blo fuse made by bussman. it goes to the playrack and the electric selector on a 2410s wurlitzer jukebox. maybe an mdl 8/10 slo blo fuse might work.i'd be willing to try it if it would work.does anyone else have any idea?oh yes the original called for fusetron fuse.rudy _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Fri Oct 10 12:02:17 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Fri Oct 10 12:03:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-86 References: Message-ID: Rick, Do you or anyone else happen to know if the sprag is the same on an R-74 or not? If they are the same, I have one. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick murray" To: Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 2:05 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-86 Was troubleshooting an R-86 that would sometimes go one position past selection, then after a few more plays, 2 positions past selected. Discovered the nylon gear on the sprag wheel has two spots whee the magazine gear has cut right through the gear tooth. Does anybody have a good one they could part with? The mechanism Model # is 6-08700-01 and the Rowe Part # is 4-07223-01 Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bud43 at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 10 12:05:27 2008 From: bud43 at sbcglobal.net (Howard Wintermantel) Date: Fri Oct 10 12:13:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-86 Message-ID: <538754.56604.qm@web82407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rick, Contact Bruce at A&B jukebox. rowejukeboxrepair.com/? He has many parts for Rowes and is very helpful Bud --- On Fri, 10/10/08, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-86 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 11:05 AM Was troubleshooting an R-86 that would sometimes go one position past selection, then after a few more plays, 2 positions past selected. Discovered the nylon gear on the sprag wheel has two spots whee the magazine gear has cut right through the gear tooth. Does anybody have a good one they could part with? The mechanism Model # is 6-08700-01 and the Rowe Part # is 4-07223-01 Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bobe at halted.com Fri Oct 10 12:18:30 2008 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Fri Oct 10 12:28:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Christmas shopping for the juke-aholic? Message-ID: <2.2.32.20081010191830.009bf9a0@hsces.com> If you just can't think what you should get for the jukebox nut in your life (or if you need suggestions for what to put on YOUR Christmas wish-list...), you need to take a look at page 71 of the holiday Neiman-Marcus catalog: http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/sitelets/christmasbook/fantasy.jhtml?cid=O CBF9_NMO3597&cmCat=christmas&icid=NMCBpage71 or, if that wraps, http://tinyurl.com/4e75ta Anyone feeling generous? Get it for me! --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 13:49:10 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Fri Oct 10 13:50:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Different Fuse Questions! TIA! Message-ID: <563429.19678.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I have thought a lot about adding a in-line fuse to my 24 Select Wurlitzer motor circuits. The (my) thought is this might reduce the opportunity for mechanism damage during a mechanical problem such as a 2-tray takeout, failure to return etc, or any motor stalling mechanical jam. Maybe I get my foot caught in the trays or something! I know the motor should stall and the "Protector" as Wurlitzer, named it residing in the pre-war junction boxes should trip. The "Protector" is a circuit breaker to me. The fiber gear in the mechanism gets a lot of stress in these events and I have had one strip on an unrebuilt mechanism. I hate replacing those. I know if the gears are in good condition and the clearances are correct they can take it but can I add insurance? My first thought was to add a fast acting fuse. My primitive clamp meter claims the motor is drawing 1 Amp. That is a very low value for my old clamp meter to look at and probably somewhat inaccurate since even on start up it displayed 1 Amp. I worked up to a 5 Amp fuse before finding one that would hold reliably. I wonder if a slow blow, starting with maybe a 2 Amp would be a better choice or will it defeat the whole idea? That would get through the starter windings cycle, maybe? Maybe the whole idea is a bad idea? I dunno! David, in the Geritol Ghetto From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Oct 10 14:27:12 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Oct 10 14:29:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Different Fuse Questions! TIA! Message-ID: <20081010.172712.23969.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hello Dave: I've installed in-line fuses in Wurlitzer jukes that I've refurbished in order to provide an extra level of protection to the mech motor in case of a jam. My experience in doing this has been with the later model Simplex mechs like the 1250, 1400,etc. I've never had the opportunity to try this with any of the 24-select gear-drive models . These 48-play models have a dedicated mech motor and a turntable motor. Average current consumption at 110V seems to be on the order of .75 amp. By experimentation, I found that a 2.5 amp 3AG standard size fuse seemed to be a good fit. The fuse would blow if the motor had any significant drag put on it. If a lighter value fuse was installed, it would occasionally blow if the changer posed a slightly heavy load to the motor during it's cycle. So far, have never had a motor or clutch failure in 6 units that I modified for customers this way. Hope this helps. In an earlier discussion about fuses, begun by Rudymart, I'm aware of "MDL" and "MTH" being manufacturers' designations for slo-blo type fuses. I've never seen an MDQ designation. My history tells me that slo-blo fuse elements were a new science in the early 50's. Back in the day, these were called "fusetrons". Ron Rich described the differences between fuse types in an earlier letter. The "3AG" designation refers to the size of the fuse itself, as there are many. The 3AG sized fuse is the most popular size used in classic jukes. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for the latest quotes on bankruptcy refinancing! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vHllnFVjcdRrGOocDTYgwG4SSI6ll8jRxn9WbsNxQpGK362/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 14:47:30 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Oct 10 14:48:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Christmas shopping for the juke-aholic? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20081010191830.009bf9a0@hsces.com> Message-ID: <72798.51103.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bob, I get a blank? page for the 1st link--but if someone wshes to "give me" the 2nd link item, I'll be a nice guy, and save them the ( not included ) shipping charges, by picking it up myself-- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Bob Ellingson wrote: From: Bob Ellingson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Christmas shopping for the juke-aholic? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 12:18 PM If you just can't think what you should get for the jukebox nut in your life (or if you need suggestions for what to put on YOUR Christmas wish-list...), you need to take a look at page 71 of the holiday Neiman-Marcus catalog: http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/sitelets/christmasbook/fantasy.jhtml?cid=O CBF9_NMO3597&cmCat=christmas&icid=NMCBpage71 or, if that wraps, http://tinyurl.com/4e75ta Anyone feeling generous? Get it for me! --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 15:30:32 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Oct 10 15:31:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Different Fuse Questions! TIA! In-Reply-To: <20081010.172712.23969.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <260377.18727.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jim, and All, Gotta correct one thing--MTH is a fast blow type, not slow blow--It and the GJV are the only two types that the Buss reps ever "splained me"--but not in enough?detail, for me. ( The place I worked for, at the time, was a Bussman distributor--we must of had at least 200 different size Buss fuses in stock, and we purchased directly from Bussman.) The following is what I remember being told. The MTH is an "instant" blow ("faster" then "fast blow" ?). The GJV is a? MTH type with added wires outboard, making it a "pigtail"--Oh, I just remembered,?also the "N" and GMQ's, were both "protected" socket types of MDL fuses. In theory, one can only insert a size fuse, that the socket was designed for, into them. ( "N" types were discontinued, and replaced by the GMQ,?often called,?"Red-Caps", because UL would not approve of the N type due to the fact that?the metal end cap?stuck out of the holder, and could have (if not blown, and the socket was wired right) voltage on the cap. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 10/10/08, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Different Fuse Questions! TIA! To: dwaw12@yahoo.com, jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 2:27 PM Hello Dave: I've installed in-line fuses in Wurlitzer jukes that I've refurbished in order to provide an extra level of protection to the mech motor in case of a jam. My experience in doing this has been with the later model Simplex mechs like the 1250, 1400,etc. I've never had the opportunity to try this with any of the 24-select gear-drive models . These 48-play models have a dedicated mech motor and a turntable motor. Average current consumption at 110V seems to be on the order of .75 amp. By experimentation, I found that a 2.5 amp 3AG standard size fuse seemed to be a good fit. The fuse would blow if the motor had any significant drag put on it. If a lighter value fuse was installed, it would occasionally blow if the changer posed a slightly heavy load to the motor during it's cycle. So far, have never had a motor or clutch failure in 6 units that I modified for customers this way. Hope this helps. In an earlier discussion about fuses, begun by Rudymart, I'm aware of "MDL" and "MTH" being manufacturers' designations for slo-blo type fuses. I've never seen an MDQ designation. My history tells me that slo-blo fuse elements were a new science in the early 50's. Back in the day, these were called "fusetrons". Ron Rich described the differences between fuse types in an earlier letter. The "3AG" designation refers to the size of the fuse itself, as there are many. The 3AG sized fuse is the most popular size used in classic jukes. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for the latest quotes on bankruptcy refinancing! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vHllnFVjcdRrGOocDTYgwG4SSI6ll8jRxn9WbsNxQpGK362/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From lavin at cheqnet.net Fri Oct 10 18:39:37 2008 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Fri Oct 10 18:51:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] fuses References: <730123EFFD3640DD9C1A50FA67EC13BF@luluPC> Message-ID: HI - I have used these 8/10th amp fuses in my 50's AMI jukes, Granger's has them: http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/productIndex.shtml?L2=Glass&operator=prodIndexRefinementSearch&originalValue=MDQ+8%2F10+fuse&L1=Fuses%2C also shows the 6/10th amp AGC fuses. http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/viewCatalogPDF.shtml?browserCompatable=true&adobeCompatable=true&toolbar=true&CatPage=261 other electrical supply houses should have them too Hope this helps, Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) Grainger's just happens to be one of my norma ----- Original Message ----- From: "rudymart" To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:21 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] fuses > does anyone know where i can locate mdl 1 6/10 and mdq 8/10 amp fuses? > rudy > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 18:46:19 2008 From: jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Fri Oct 10 18:54:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] ROWE R-86 Message-ID: <683030.69226.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The sprag assembly was a new design starting with the R-84. Rowe also put a small angle in the end of the lever, so it would 'drop in the slot' better. I would also replace the whole gear unit. The 2 gears and the 4 bushings. Then after you replace the parts then adjust the solenoid/lever per the book, put the assembly back in, adjust it in the mech and adjust the optical switch. While you have the sprag assembly out, clean the basket gear and the inside of the optical switch. Also check the guide on the plate where the lever slides into. John the Jukebox Man From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 19:17:57 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Oct 10 19:18:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] fuses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <370618.62132.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I had to buy a box of the MDL fuses from Granger--they were O/S. But they were real nice and called other stores to check stock (computers said that it was available/in stock at the store I was at, and all stores they called) They all were showing "1box" in stock, but none could find it, when called---So, call ahead, and ask them to look and see if they really have what you want--first !? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: From: Sue and Dennis Lavin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] fuses To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 6:39 PM HI - I have used these 8/10th amp fuses in my 50's AMI jukes, Granger's has them: http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/productIndex.shtml?L2=Glass&operator=prodIndexRefinementSearch&originalValue=MDQ+8%2F10+fuse&L1=Fuses%2C also shows the 6/10th amp AGC fuses. http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/viewCatalogPDF.shtml?browserCompatable=true&adobeCompatable=true&toolbar=true&CatPage=261 other electrical supply houses should have them too Hope this helps, Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) Grainger's just happens to be one of my norma ----- Original Message ----- From: "rudymart" To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:21 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] fuses > does anyone know where i can locate mdl 1 6/10 and mdq 8/10 amp fuses? > rudy > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Oct 10 20:33:02 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Oct 10 20:35:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Different Fuse Questions! TIA! Message-ID: <20081010.233302.25131.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I stand corrected. My experience with fuses comes from being a tech in the 60's. I'm sure your experience with Bussman exposed you to all the fine points of fuse technology/markings at the time. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click now for great prices on custom fit car covers! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4u2JcNBgJvvyKMDkQSYB2Zq61jEDKFOfOh9sbfbIr3PCt4rs/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Oct 11 02:28:59 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Oct 11 02:30:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-86 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001501c92b83$ca814770$5f83d650$@force9.co.uk> Hi, No, the R74 sprag is different. That is the older style 1100 mech, with a slightly different sprag. Regards Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of CCOS Sent: 10 October 2008 20:02 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-86 Rick, Do you or anyone else happen to know if the sprag is the same on an R-74 or not? If they are the same, I have one. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick murray" To: Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 2:05 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-86 Was troubleshooting an R-86 that would sometimes go one position past selection, then after a few more plays, 2 positions past selected. Discovered the nylon gear on the sprag wheel has two spots whee the magazine gear has cut right through the gear tooth. Does anybody have a good one they could part with? The mechanism Model # is 6-08700-01 and the Rowe Part # is 4-07223-01 Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn "10 hidden secrets" from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!55 0F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008___________________ ____________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 07:18:24 2008 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Sat Oct 11 07:19:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Different Fuse Questions! TIA! MDQ Fuses Message-ID: Hello All! I don't know if the answer was given yet to the MDQ question, but here goes... I also do HVAC work and in industrial applications we use MDQ in motor and compressor protection circuits. These fuses should never be used in a home application. Example, a 6 amp MDQ will open after the load has been at 200% for 2 minutes, 135% for 1 hour and to blow instantly would take a 200 amp draw!! This is really a special type of fuse with VERY limited application. I've seen many a juke transformer fried with these fuses! Hope this helps!! Mel From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Oct 11 08:02:37 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Oct 11 08:03:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Different Fuse Questions! TIA! MDQ Fuses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <879416.80110.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mel, Thanks ! That confirms my memory. I don't recall ever seeing a MDQ called for in any printed material on Jukes of any brand( all I recall seeing is "sloblo"/"slow blowing"). I also do recall being told the "specs" on a MDL fuse, but I won't repeat that because I'm not sure--but just for the record, I do not think that it takes anywere near the time to blow as a MDQ requires. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 10/11/08, Mel Knight wrote: From: Mel Knight Subject: [Jukebox-list] Different Fuse Questions! TIA! MDQ Fuses To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 7:18 AM Hello All! I don't know if the answer was given yet to the MDQ question, but here goes... I also do HVAC work and in industrial applications we use MDQ in motor and compressor protection circuits. These fuses should never be used in a home application. Example, a 6 amp MDQ will open after the load has been at 200% for 2 minutes, 135% for 1 hour and to blow instantly would take a 200 amp draw!! This is really a special type of fuse with VERY limited application. I've seen many a juke transformer fried with these fuses! Hope this helps!! Mel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Sat Oct 11 09:59:47 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Oct 11 10:00:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Different Fuse Questions! TIA! MDQ Fuses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F0DB83.8080509@telus.net> Mel Knight wrote: > Hello All! > > I don't know if the answer was given yet to the MDQ question, but here goes... I also do HVAC work and in industrial applications we use MDQ in motor and compressor protection circuits. These fuses should never be used in a home application. Example, a 6 amp MDQ will open after the load has been at 200% for 2 minutes, 135% for > 1 hour and to blow instantly would take a 200 amp draw!! This is really a special type of fuse with VERY limited application. I've seen many a juke transformer fried with these fuses! Hope this helps!! Mel > _______________________________________________ > I went to Digi-Key.com and downloaded the specs for both MDL and MDQ Slo-Blow fuses: The MDL is a "Dual-Element" fuse - it has a coil spring connected to a lump of metal and from the other end of the metal a wire that goes to the other end cap, this will sustain over currents of 200% for a maximum of 120 seconds for all fuse values, it will hold 100% forever (right!), and 135% for 60 minutes maximum. The MDL is a coil of wire wrapped around a core and it shares the same characteristics: 200% for a max of 120 second, 135% for max of 60 minutes and 100% forever, however for values between 1/16 through 3A @ 200% it will hold for a minimum of 5 seconds, and for values from 3-2/10 through 8A it will hold for a minimum of 12 seconds at 200%. The charts on both these fuses show that for an MDL 1A fuse it will blow in 1 second @ 4.5A, a MDQ 1A fuse will blow in 1 second @ 6A. However for both fuse types a 6-1/4A fuse will blow in 1 second at about 40A and in 10 seconds @ 17.5A So the MDL and MDQ are interchangable in our applications, with slight preference to the MDL fuse as it blows a bit faster in the lower values... Note also that Fast Blow fuses will hold forever @ 100%, 60 minutes max @ 135% and 200 seconds max @ 200%. I'll put the data sheets on the Jukebox tech pages if anyone wants to review them... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pinball at telus.net Sat Oct 11 15:54:47 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Oct 11 15:55:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Different Fuse Questions! TIA! MDQ Fuses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F12EB7.1080502@telus.net> (typo correction, sorry - you might want to delete the previous response of mine - JR) Mel Knight wrote: > Hello All! > > I don't know if the answer was given yet to the MDQ question, but here goes... I also do HVAC work and in industrial applications we use MDQ in motor and compressor protection circuits. These fuses should never be used in a home application. Example, a 6 amp MDQ will open after the load has been at 200% for 2 minutes, 135% for > 1 hour and to blow instantly would take a 200 amp draw!! This is really a special type of fuse with VERY limited application. I've seen many a juke transformer fried with these fuses! Hope this helps!! Mel > _______________________________________________ > I went to Digi-Key.com and downloaded the specs for both MDL and MDQ Slo-Blow fuses: The MDQ (That is MDQ, not MDL) is a "Dual-Element" fuse - it has a coil spring connected to a lump of metal and from the other end of the metal a wire that goes to the other end cap, this will sustain over currents of 200% for a maximum of 120 seconds for all fuse values, it will hold 100% forever (right!), and 135% for 60 minutes maximum. The MDL is a coil of wire wrapped around a core and it shares the same characteristics: 200% for a max of 120 second, 135% for max of 60 minutes and 100% forever, however for values between 1/16 through 3A @ 200% it will hold for a minimum of 5 seconds, and for values from 3-2/10 through 8A it will hold for a minimum of 12 seconds at 200%. The charts on both these fuses show that for an MDL 1A fuse it will blow in 1 second @ 4.5A, a MDQ 1A fuse will blow in 1 second @ 6A. However for both fuse types a 6-1/4A fuse will blow in 1 second at about 40A and in 10 seconds @ 17.5A So the MDL and MDQ are interchangable in our applications, with slight preference to the MDL fuse as it blows a bit faster in the lower values... Note also that Fast Blow fuses will hold forever @ 100%, 60 minutes max @ 135% and 200 seconds max @ 200%. I'll put the data sheets on the Jukebox tech pages if anyone wants to review them... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Sun Oct 12 00:14:42 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Sun Oct 12 00:15:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Different Fuse Questions! TIA! MDQ Fuses In-Reply-To: <879416.80110.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <879416.80110.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6C7C8872182F421FAED94790F8D1250A@CCOSPC> Oh come on Ron, I like the idea of being able to finish dinner before having to go on a service call because I have a MDzxlwhateverucall it fuse in place. I know the Injun Ears figured out how long it would take before something is destroyed, but what's an extra 10 minutes? Is there a such thing as "WhenIgetBackOffVacationBlo"? In case nobody gets it, I'm picking on Ron in a way that means I appreciate him, and wonder how in the heck his "great but not too long memory" knows things like this: A Seeburg STD160 scans twice but won't pick up a record, fails the battery test, all voltages present on the Contol Center, but when according to the manual, when you swivel the jumper from the Read Load to the Trip Relay, the mech picks up every record and plays it like it should have with the battery test, the obvious fix is to replace C3104 on PCB 311125 in the Control Center. Now how many people could have pinpointed that cap? Thanks Ron Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Different Fuse Questions! TIA! MDQ Fuses > Mel, > Thanks ! That confirms my memory. I don't recall ever seeing a MDQ called > for in any printed material on Jukes of any brand( all I recall seeing is > "sloblo"/"slow blowing"). I also do recall being told the "specs" on a MDL > fuse, but I won't repeat that because I'm not sure--but just for the > record, I do not think that it takes anywere near the time to blow as a > MDQ requires. Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 10/11/08, Mel Knight wrote: > > From: Mel Knight > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Different Fuse Questions! TIA! MDQ Fuses > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 7:18 AM > > Hello All! > > I don't know if the answer was given yet to the MDQ question, but here > goes... I also do HVAC work and in industrial applications we use MDQ in > motor > and compressor protection circuits. These fuses should never be used in a > home > application. Example, a 6 amp MDQ will open after the load has been at > 200% for > 2 minutes, 135% for > 1 hour and to blow instantly would take a 200 amp draw!! This is really a > special type of fuse with VERY limited application. I've seen many a juke > transformer fried with these fuses! Hope this helps!! Mel > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From davidcazalet at optusnet.com.au Sat Oct 11 03:17:08 2008 From: davidcazalet at optusnet.com.au (David W Cazalet) Date: Sun Oct 12 08:09:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami MM3 toggle shift pin left or coil problem Message-ID: <000901c92b8a$8567e6b0$0201a8c0@computer5eru6b> Hi there, Our beloved MM3 Music Miracle Rowe AMI Jukebox has started to fail when bringing records back to the magazine. When the transfer arm flips down to the right hand side looking at the jukebox they play and go back fine. On the left they flip down okay but when going back the transfer arm does not twist quickly enough and then goes back on an angle, spitting out the record and not slotting into the vertical place. We've isolated down to (we think) the toggle shift pin on the left hand side not staying out rigid for the transfer arm to pivot on. The right hand side stays firm when the transfer arm goes down and up on the right. Could this be the toggle shift coil? or maybe an adjustment is needed. Many thanks for any help - we want our baby back!!! Suzie. From johntrav at suddenlink.net Sun Oct 12 08:59:17 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Sun Oct 12 09:05:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-86 References: Message-ID: <21C4E0DA0A30445D9CE903CF45EA2C4F@JOHNTRAV> Rick, If you haven't located the sprag wheel you need, they are available at Happ. Go to www.happcontrols.com and type "rowe sprag" in the search box. You will see the wheel and all related parts (hub, bushings, etc). John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick murray" To: Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R-86 Was troubleshooting an R-86 that would sometimes go one position past selection, then after a few more plays, 2 positions past selected. Discovered the nylon gear on the sprag wheel has two spots whee the magazine gear has cut right through the gear tooth. Does anybody have a good one they could part with? The mechanism Model # is 6-08700-01 and the Rowe Part # is 4-07223-01 Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 09:15:00 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Oct 12 09:16:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami MM3 toggle shift pin left or coil problem In-Reply-To: <000901c92b8a$8567e6b0$0201a8c0@computer5eru6b> Message-ID: <564556.62469.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Suzie, Hopefully someone with a better memory will answer--but here's what I would do-- Start by holding the pin firm, and see if, in fact,?that your problem is that the toggle pin is not staying where it should. Then determine why---this could be a result of way too much pressure being applied by the transfer arm, or the result of whatever is supposed to hold the pin firm failing (speaking of "failing", my memory has failed on how that's accomplished on that mechanism--RoweAMi had problems with that shifter, and re-designed it several times). It would be my guess that NO "adjustments" should be done, and the coil is not at fault, as it only activates upon record pick-up--If I re-call correctly. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 10/11/08, David W Cazalet wrote: From: David W Cazalet Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami MM3 toggle shift pin left or coil problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 3:17 AM Hi there, Our beloved MM3 Music Miracle Rowe AMI Jukebox has started to fail when bringing records back to the magazine. When the transfer arm flips down to the right hand side looking at the jukebox they play and go back fine. On the left they flip down okay but when going back the transfer arm does not twist quickly enough and then goes back on an angle, spitting out the record and not slotting into the vertical place. We've isolated down to (we think) the toggle shift pin on the left hand side not staying out rigid for the transfer arm to pivot on. The right hand side stays firm when the transfer arm goes down and up on the right. Could this be the toggle shift coil? or maybe an adjustment is needed. Many thanks for any help - we want our baby back!!! Suzie. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 12 09:49:28 2008 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Sun Oct 12 09:50:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Christmas shopping for the juke-aholic? Message-ID: <798147.95087.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ya know gang? I think I probably spent that amount for 45s since I started buying them in 1960. (My very first purchase was "A Swingin' Safari" by Bert Kaemphert's Orchestra... eventually the theme song of "The Match Game"). I just wonder who put this collection together? Bob - Chicago --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Original Message: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:18:30 -0700 From: Bob Ellingson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Christmas shopping for the juke-aholic? To: Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <2.2.32.20081010191830.009bf9a0@hsces.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If you just can't think what you should get for the jukebox nut in your life (or if you need suggestions for what to put on YOUR Christmas wish-list...), you need to take a look at page 71 of the holiday Neiman-Marcus catalog: http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/sitelets/christmasbook/fantasy.jhtml?cid=O CBF9_NMO3597&cmCat=christmas&icid=NMCBpage71 or, if that wraps, http://tinyurl.com/4e75ta Anyone feeling generous? Get it for me! --Bob From pinball at telus.net Sun Oct 12 09:58:03 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Oct 12 09:59:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami MM3 toggle shift pin left or coil problem In-Reply-To: <000901c92b8a$8567e6b0$0201a8c0@computer5eru6b> References: <000901c92b8a$8567e6b0$0201a8c0@computer5eru6b> Message-ID: <48F22C9B.5050306@telus.net> David W Cazalet wrote: > Hi there, > > Our beloved MM3 Music Miracle Rowe AMI Jukebox has started to fail when > bringing records back to the magazine. When the transfer arm flips down to > the right hand side looking at the jukebox they play and go back fine. On > the left they flip down okay but when going back the transfer arm does not > twist quickly enough and then goes back on an angle, spitting out the record > and not slotting into the vertical place. We've isolated down to (we think) > the toggle shift pin on the left hand side not staying out rigid for the > transfer arm to pivot on. The right hand side stays firm when the transfer > arm goes down and up on the right. Could this be the toggle shift coil? or > maybe an adjustment is needed. > > Many thanks for any help - we want our baby back!!! > > Suzie. > ____________ Hi Suzie, As Ron says, do NOT adjust or lubricate anything here. I have seen this before and it is usually caused by the pins having been lubricated in the past and the lubrication turning to glue/goo over time. An easy test is this: When the gripper arm has returned the record and the machine is at rest try toggling the side 1/2 pins and seeing if they snap over properly or are sluggish or slow. If so, then you usually have to remove both pins, and clean both the pins and the pin holders with Varsol or similar to remove the old gummed up lubrication (often WD-40!) and then reassemble - DRY! Then try your machine again. Do NOT use WD-40 anywhere near anything you care about - jukeboxes, pinball games, etc. It was designed to protect tools from rusting... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Oct 12 10:08:17 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Oct 12 10:09:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami MM3 toggle shift pin left or coil problem In-Reply-To: <48F22C9B.5050306@telus.net> References: <000901c92b8a$8567e6b0$0201a8c0@computer5eru6b> <48F22C9B.5050306@telus.net> Message-ID: <001101c92c8d$1ef62af0$5ce280d0$@force9.co.uk> Hi, Both toggle shifters should be rigid. The toggle shift coil only operates when the record is being transferred to the turntable, and is operated by a cam switch. The toggle shifter link is locked by a 'sector gear retaining collar' (as the manual calls it). It is likely this is where your problem is, and it probably needs an adjustment with an Allen key. Do you have a manual ? It is explained in there how to adjust it. It concerns me that you say one toggle shifter is rigid and the other isn't though. I would also take a look at the linkage that they are both connected to, in order to see if it has come disconnected (circlips connect the toggle shifters to the linkage below.) Hope that helps for starters, Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Robertson Sent: 12 October 2008 17:58 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami MM3 toggle shift pin left or coil problem David W Cazalet wrote: > Hi there, > > Our beloved MM3 Music Miracle Rowe AMI Jukebox has started to fail when > bringing records back to the magazine. When the transfer arm flips down to > the right hand side looking at the jukebox they play and go back fine. On > the left they flip down okay but when going back the transfer arm does not > twist quickly enough and then goes back on an angle, spitting out the record > and not slotting into the vertical place. We've isolated down to (we think) > the toggle shift pin on the left hand side not staying out rigid for the > transfer arm to pivot on. The right hand side stays firm when the transfer > arm goes down and up on the right. Could this be the toggle shift coil? or > maybe an adjustment is needed. > > Many thanks for any help - we want our baby back!!! > > Suzie. > ____________ Hi Suzie, As Ron says, do NOT adjust or lubricate anything here. I have seen this before and it is usually caused by the pins having been lubricated in the past and the lubrication turning to glue/goo over time. An easy test is this: When the gripper arm has returned the record and the machine is at rest try toggling the side 1/2 pins and seeing if they snap over properly or are sluggish or slow. If so, then you usually have to remove both pins, and clean both the pins and the pin holders with Varsol or similar to remove the old gummed up lubrication (often WD-40!) and then reassemble - DRY! Then try your machine again. Do NOT use WD-40 anywhere near anything you care about - jukeboxes, pinball games, etc. It was designed to protect tools from rusting... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 11:55:43 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Oct 12 11:56:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Christmas shopping for the juke-aholic? In-Reply-To: <798147.95087.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <13382.36205.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bob, I already axked !? Remember my generous offer to save the buyer the shipping costs?? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 10/12/08, NotarySojac wrote: From: NotarySojac Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Christmas shopping for the juke-aholic? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 9:49 AM Ya know gang? I think I probably spent that amount for 45s since I started buying them in 1960. (My very first purchase was "A Swingin' Safari" by Bert Kaemphert's Orchestra... eventually the theme song of "The Match Game"). I just wonder who put this collection together? Bob - Chicago --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Original Message: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:18:30 -0700 From: Bob Ellingson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Christmas shopping for the juke-aholic? To: Jukebox mailing list Message-ID: <2.2.32.20081010191830.009bf9a0@hsces.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If you just can't think what you should get for the jukebox nut in your life (or if you need suggestions for what to put on YOUR Christmas wish-list...), you need to take a look at page 71 of the holiday Neiman-Marcus catalog: http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/sitelets/christmasbook/fantasy.jhtml?cid=O CBF9_NMO3597&cmCat=christmas&icid=NMCBpage71 or, if that wraps, http://tinyurl.com/4e75ta Anyone feeling generous? Get it for me! --Bob _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 12:20:45 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Oct 12 12:21:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami MM3 toggle shift pin left or coil problem In-Reply-To: <001101c92c8d$1ef62af0$5ce280d0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <366863.44085.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Nige, & All, ? Now I remember that turkey, and am being confused, describing two different mech styles--- ( I don't have a R-83 book--just an 82, and could net recall if the two model mechs were the same). I have seen that nylon "stop" on the toggle shifter link both full of grease, damaged and or where?the rivets have?come loose. It's my opinion, which? can not prove, that the nylon has been "sprayed" with something (WD-40?), when it's damaged. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami MM3 toggle shift pin left or coil problem To: pinball@telus.net, "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 10:08 AM Hi, Both toggle shifters should be rigid. The toggle shift coil only operates when the record is being transferred to the turntable, and is operated by a cam switch. The toggle shifter link is locked by a 'sector gear retaining collar' (as the manual calls it). It is likely this is where your problem is, and it probably needs an adjustment with an Allen key. Do you have a manual ? It is explained in there how to adjust it. It concerns me that you say one toggle shifter is rigid and the other isn't though. I would also take a look at the linkage that they are both connected to, in order to see if it has come disconnected (circlips connect the toggle shifters to the linkage below.) Hope that helps for starters, Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Robertson Sent: 12 October 2008 17:58 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami MM3 toggle shift pin left or coil problem David W Cazalet wrote: > Hi there, > > Our beloved MM3 Music Miracle Rowe AMI Jukebox has started to fail when > bringing records back to the magazine. When the transfer arm flips down to > the right hand side looking at the jukebox they play and go back fine. On > the left they flip down okay but when going back the transfer arm does not > twist quickly enough and then goes back on an angle, spitting out the record > and not slotting into the vertical place. We've isolated down to (we think) > the toggle shift pin on the left hand side not staying out rigid for the > transfer arm to pivot on. The right hand side stays firm when the transfer > arm goes down and up on the right. Could this be the toggle shift coil? or > maybe an adjustment is needed. > > Many thanks for any help - we want our baby back!!! > > Suzie. > ____________ Hi Suzie, As Ron says, do NOT adjust or lubricate anything here. I have seen this before and it is usually caused by the pins having been lubricated in the past and the lubrication turning to glue/goo over time. An easy test is this: When the gripper arm has returned the record and the machine is at rest try toggling the side 1/2 pins and seeing if they snap over properly or are sluggish or slow. If so, then you usually have to remove both pins, and clean both the pins and the pin holders with Varsol or similar to remove the old gummed up lubrication (often WD-40!) and then reassemble - DRY! Then try your machine again. Do NOT use WD-40 anywhere near anything you care about - jukeboxes, pinball games, etc. It was designed to protect tools from rusting... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Sun Oct 12 14:53:31 2008 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Sun Oct 12 14:54:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 70v Speaker connection on NSM jukebox Message-ID: <2D944E1951214DE5832D81F8A50058D1@DFLXW121> I'm adding constant voltage speakers to my gameroom, and need to know if the internal speakers on the NSM Concert 240 III juke need to be disconnected when using the 70v connection. Currently, the internal speakers are connected directly to the amp. Another set of wires are paralleled and go to the 70v board. Is this am set up to drive both sets simultaneously? On my Rowe R-81, the internal speakers are connected to the same board as the 70v line, so that they can be tapped at different levels. I don't see that option in my NSM box. Jon Scaptura From gregmessages at yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 16:01:40 2008 From: gregmessages at yahoo.com (Greg F) Date: Sun Oct 12 16:09:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 3W-1 (Seeburg) sending wrong letter pulses from F-K only - would appreciate any help! Message-ID: <102028.10490.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would greatly appreciate any thoughts on this. I have a 3W1 that has been connected to my 100R for 15 years. Over the last couple years the wallbox is apparently sending the wrong letter pulses, but ONLY from letters F to K. The numbers are always right, as are the letters from A to E, but the letters F and up come out 2, 3 or 4 letters too low on the jukebox. Example: G6 will come out usually as E6 but also sometimes as D6 or even C6. Selecting K9 on the wallbox will play H9, etc. Occassionally the wallbox does select the right letter from F to K, but it's usually wrong in that range. And, as I said, it's always right from A to E, and all number selections are OK. I am virtually sure it's not the stepper/receiver in the jukebox, because I just had all the capacitors redone, and the service-guy's own wallboxes did select the right letters. So I am assuming it has to be in my wallbox. I have tried cleaning all the "dot" contacts with electrical contact cleaner, and the pencil eraser. I am assuming that because the problem is only letters F and up, the problem must be with certain dot contacts. I have a 100R manual but unfortunately don't have a 3w-1 manual. As you look at the dots that the contact arm makes contact with, does anyone have any idea where the letters F through K dots would be in the circle? In other words, the contact arm starts near 12:00 on the circle, and goes around the circle. Where would letters F through K fall? Any idea how I can fix this, or clean it better, or deal with it if the dots are too worn down, or what I should do? I am just one guy with one box that I love, so not a semi-pro, so I would really appreciate any thoughts from those of you on here who are more expert than me. Thanks so much! From queencaz at optusnet.com.au Sun Oct 12 16:44:09 2008 From: queencaz at optusnet.com.au (Suzie Cazalet) Date: Mon Oct 13 00:41:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami MM3 toggle shift pin left or coil problem References: <366863.44085.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c92cc4$6db83250$0201a8c0@computer5eru6b> Hi and thanks so much to all who responded to my email about the MM3 toggle shift left pin or coil problem. Nigel you are a legend and you were spot on!!!! We bought a manual when we first bought the machine second hand and I spent all Sunday morning pouring over it in great detail and eventually found the toggle shifter link and sector gear retaining collar. That's where the problem was - The pin was set too low and so the nylon "stop" kept slipping past the pin. The nylon stop was pretty gunked up too so cleaned it up and we loosened the collar with the Allen key - moved the pin a little higher tightened it back up and it now it works like a dream. Thanks so very much for your help and great service!!! Promise not to use WD 40 on her at any time :) Thanks again from the land down under Australia. Suzie Cazalet. From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 6:20 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami MM3 toggle shift pin left or coil problem > Hi Nige, & All, > > Now I remember that turkey, and am being confused, describing two > different mech styles--- ( I don't have a R-83 book--just an 82, and could > net recall if the two model mechs were the same). I have seen that nylon > "stop" on the toggle shifter link both full of grease, damaged and or > where the rivets have come loose. It's my opinion, which can not prove, > that the nylon has been "sprayed" with something (WD-40?), when it's > damaged. Ron Rich > > --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Nigel Pugh wrote: > > From: Nigel Pugh > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami MM3 toggle shift pin left or coil > problem > To: pinball@telus.net, "'Jukebox mailing list'" > > Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 10:08 AM > > Hi, > > Both toggle shifters should be rigid. The toggle shift coil only operates > when the record is being transferred to the turntable, and is operated by > a > cam switch. > > The toggle shifter link is locked by a 'sector gear retaining collar' > (as > the manual calls it). It is likely this is where your problem is, and it > probably needs an adjustment with an Allen key. > > Do you have a manual ? It is explained in there how to adjust it. > > It concerns me that you say one toggle shifter is rigid and the other > isn't > though. I would also take a look at the linkage that they are both > connected > to, in order to see if it has come disconnected (circlips connect the > toggle > shifters to the linkage below.) > > Hope that helps for starters, > > Regards > > Nigel > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John > Robertson > Sent: 12 October 2008 17:58 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami MM3 toggle shift pin left or coil > problem > > David W Cazalet wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> Our beloved MM3 Music Miracle Rowe AMI Jukebox has started to fail when >> bringing records back to the magazine. When the transfer arm flips down >> to > >> the right hand side looking at the jukebox they play and go back fine. >> On > >> the left they flip down okay but when going back the transfer arm does >> not > >> twist quickly enough and then goes back on an angle, spitting out the > record >> and not slotting into the vertical place. We've isolated down to (we > think) >> the toggle shift pin on the left hand side not staying out rigid for the >> transfer arm to pivot on. The right hand side stays firm when the >> transfer > >> arm goes down and up on the right. Could this be the toggle shift coil? > or >> maybe an adjustment is needed. >> >> Many thanks for any help - we want our baby back!!! >> >> Suzie. >> ____________ > > Hi Suzie, > > As Ron says, do NOT adjust or lubricate anything here. I have seen this > before and it is usually caused by the pins having been lubricated in > the past and the lubrication turning to glue/goo over time. > > An easy test is this: > > When the gripper arm has returned the record and the machine is at rest > try toggling the side 1/2 pins and seeing if they snap over properly or > are sluggish or slow. If so, then you usually have to remove both pins, > and clean both the pins and the pin holders with Varsol or similar to > remove the old gummed up lubrication (often WD-40!) and then reassemble > - DRY! > > Then try your machine again. > > Do NOT use WD-40 anywhere near anything you care about - jukeboxes, > pinball games, etc. It was designed to protect tools from rusting... > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Mon Oct 13 00:51:20 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Mon Oct 13 00:52:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami MM3 toggle shift pin left or coil problem In-Reply-To: <001301c92cc4$6db83250$0201a8c0@computer5eru6b> References: <366863.44085.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <001301c92cc4$6db83250$0201a8c0@computer5eru6b> Message-ID: <001701c92d08$7b86a620$7293f260$@force9.co.uk> Brilliant, I'm glad you got it sorted Suzie. I find with Rowe-Ami's that they are fantastic when all set up correctly, but a nightmare if anything is slightly out of adjustment, and I also find that mechanism to be quite a high wear one too, so things do get loose and a bit sloppy every now and again. Probably the reason why I've spent so much time repairing them :-) Hope you enjoy it now. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Suzie Cazalet Sent: 13 October 2008 00:44 To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami MM3 toggle shift pin left or coil problem Hi and thanks so much to all who responded to my email about the MM3 toggle shift left pin or coil problem. Nigel you are a legend and you were spot on!!!! We bought a manual when we first bought the machine second hand and I spent all Sunday morning pouring over it in great detail and eventually found the toggle shifter link and sector gear retaining collar. That's where the problem was - The pin was set too low and so the nylon "stop" kept slipping past the pin. The nylon stop was pretty gunked up too so cleaned it up and we loosened the collar with the Allen key - moved the pin a little higher tightened it back up and it now it works like a dream. Thanks so very much for your help and great service!!! Promise not to use WD 40 on her at any time :) Thanks again from the land down under Australia. Suzie Cazalet. From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 6:20 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami MM3 toggle shift pin left or coil problem > Hi Nige, & All, > > Now I remember that turkey, and am being confused, describing two > different mech styles--- ( I don't have a R-83 book--just an 82, and could > net recall if the two model mechs were the same). I have seen that nylon > "stop" on the toggle shifter link both full of grease, damaged and or > where the rivets have come loose. It's my opinion, which can not prove, > that the nylon has been "sprayed" with something (WD-40?), when it's > damaged. Ron Rich > > --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Nigel Pugh wrote: > > From: Nigel Pugh > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami MM3 toggle shift pin left or coil > problem > To: pinball@telus.net, "'Jukebox mailing list'" > > Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 10:08 AM > > Hi, > > Both toggle shifters should be rigid. The toggle shift coil only operates > when the record is being transferred to the turntable, and is operated by > a > cam switch. > > The toggle shifter link is locked by a 'sector gear retaining collar' > (as > the manual calls it). It is likely this is where your problem is, and it > probably needs an adjustment with an Allen key. > > Do you have a manual ? It is explained in there how to adjust it. > > It concerns me that you say one toggle shifter is rigid and the other > isn't > though. I would also take a look at the linkage that they are both > connected > to, in order to see if it has come disconnected (circlips connect the > toggle > shifters to the linkage below.) > > Hope that helps for starters, > > Regards > > Nigel > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John > Robertson > Sent: 12 October 2008 17:58 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami MM3 toggle shift pin left or coil > problem > > David W Cazalet wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> Our beloved MM3 Music Miracle Rowe AMI Jukebox has started to fail when >> bringing records back to the magazine. When the transfer arm flips down >> to > >> the right hand side looking at the jukebox they play and go back fine. >> On > >> the left they flip down okay but when going back the transfer arm does >> not > >> twist quickly enough and then goes back on an angle, spitting out the > record >> and not slotting into the vertical place. We've isolated down to (we > think) >> the toggle shift pin on the left hand side not staying out rigid for the >> transfer arm to pivot on. The right hand side stays firm when the >> transfer > >> arm goes down and up on the right. Could this be the toggle shift coil? > or >> maybe an adjustment is needed. >> >> Many thanks for any help - we want our baby back!!! >> >> Suzie. >> ____________ > > Hi Suzie, > > As Ron says, do NOT adjust or lubricate anything here. I have seen this > before and it is usually caused by the pins having been lubricated in > the past and the lubrication turning to glue/goo over time. > > An easy test is this: > > When the gripper arm has returned the record and the machine is at rest > try toggling the side 1/2 pins and seeing if they snap over properly or > are sluggish or slow. If so, then you usually have to remove both pins, > and clean both the pins and the pin holders with Varsol or similar to > remove the old gummed up lubrication (often WD-40!) and then reassemble > - DRY! > > Then try your machine again. > > Do NOT use WD-40 anywhere near anything you care about - jukeboxes, > pinball games, etc. It was designed to protect tools from rusting... > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gibson510 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 13 06:45:05 2008 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Mon Oct 13 06:46:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] R-86 Sprag Wheel Message-ID: Thanks to everyone for the responses & suggestions on the Sprag wheel, special thanks to John & Howard. Happ Controls does have Rowe parts but also a minimum order of $25.00 Bruce Wentworth at A&B has a sprag kit for $25.00 plus shipping and handling, so i guess 6 of one, 1/2 another. I should have it tomorrow and hopefully back together and working by the weekend. Regards, Rick _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From crobertson19405 at comcast.net Tue Oct 14 03:37:11 2008 From: crobertson19405 at comcast.net (Craig and Cerena) Date: Tue Oct 14 03:35:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Looking for a HF100R service switch Message-ID: Hi Gang Looking for a service switch assembly for my HF100R. The one that I have now is bad and shorts out when I move the selector to the play position. Thanks Craig Crobertson19405@comcast.net From d.e.p.ritchie at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 05:40:56 2008 From: d.e.p.ritchie at gmail.com (DONALD RITCHIE) Date: Tue Oct 14 05:42:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CDM-12 Lazer Componet or Whole unit I need 4 of them for NSM or Rocola older units Message-ID: <10c8d43e0810140540kd3be35bte3ded14b1390a11f@mail.gmail.com> In in Shanghai China no parts available here. I will be going back to USA on Nov 13 can ship to me there. Any suggestions will help. looking for working used parts at a reasonable price. I have good boards and drives really only need Lazer asemblies. Thanks Don From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Oct 14 06:05:39 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Tue Oct 14 06:03:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions Message-ID: <200810140905357.SM01264@[192.168.1.206]> Morning all. The gods of juke-world smiled down upon me yesterday afternoon! In of all places, I found a 1475 Tempo 1 in one of our local antique malls! Bought it for an incredible price - one that allows me absolute freedom to restore it - barring no expense. What makes this really special for me is that I grew up with a 1468. Had it since I was 5 years old and that machine alone is what got me into jukes at an early age. The buying price notwithstanding, the 1475 is going to need some work. Once of the biggest oddities is that both original speakers are missing and were replaced with a single 6" junker. Are the originals supposed to be 12" full range speakers, or are they some sort of odd woofer/tweeter combination since the 1475 is a stereo juke? Second question: the "V" on the front grill is painted in the same black with gold fleck as the "200" plastics on the sides of the cabinet...but it's cracked. VG sells a replacement that's stainless steel. I've seen pictures of BOTH styles on this juke. Which one is more likely to be correct? Third...and this relates to the second: the diffuser glass that goes immediately below the buttons... is that supposed to be blue, rainbow colored, clear/frosted, or none of the above? I found traces of broken blue glass wedged between the front grill and the front bottom chrome trim piece and that's what makes me wonder. I think it would look really slick if there was blue-tinted glass shining light on a stainless steel "V", but I'd rather be accurate. It seems that the "V" was an easy piece to break so it was getting replaced with a white plastic "V" from a 1468 or a metal one from after-market. That's all for now. Fun stuff ahead! Aaron From d.e.p.ritchie at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 06:38:20 2008 From: d.e.p.ritchie at gmail.com (DONALD RITCHIE) Date: Tue Oct 14 06:39:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 5u4 vacuum tube locator pin. In-Reply-To: <897898.67636.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <897898.67636.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <10c8d43e0810140638w32a88e9en7e1b3c357d4ba53e@mail.gmail.com> look at what sockets are wired under neath On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:40 AM, Kevin Lashley wrote: > Hi all, > > I need some help. I have a tube that the locator pin broke off. I have lost > the locator pin.... Can someone tell me which way the pin pointed. It is a > DUMONT tube. with 5 pins . three on one side two on the other. > > > Thanks for any helpKevin > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 08:17:53 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Oct 14 08:19:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] CDM-12 Lazer Componet or Whole unit I need 4 of them for NSM or Rocola older units In-Reply-To: <10c8d43e0810140540kd3be35bte3ded14b1390a11f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <695518.60749.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I can help you--contact me off list?? ronnnrich@yahoo.com? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 10/14/08, DONALD RITCHIE wrote: From: DONALD RITCHIE Subject: [Jukebox-list] CDM-12 Lazer Componet or Whole unit I need 4 of them for NSM or Rocola older units To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 5:40 AM In in Shanghai China no parts available here. I will be going back to USA on Nov 13 can ship to me there. Any suggestions will help. looking for working used parts at a reasonable price. I have good boards and drives really only need Lazer asemblies. Thanks Don _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michigan48 at comcast.net Tue Oct 14 08:12:36 2008 From: michigan48 at comcast.net (michigan48@comcast.net) Date: Tue Oct 14 08:20:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rebuild or Replace Message-ID: <101420081512.22549.48F4B6E2000E6EF20000581522058844849B9C970A9D02080106@comcast.net> Just purchased a Seeburg AY-160 and before I got into re-capping the thing, thought I'd solicit every-bodies opinion. Model No. AY-160U HR Serial # 242621 Has SHF5 Code A, TSU5 Code A, USPU1. Are these the right components. I was figuring maybe an SHF3 by what I see on the Internet. Should I redo the 5, or search around for a SHF3 and go thru it? Thanks for everybody's time and opinions.. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 08:38:45 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Oct 14 08:39:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rebuild or Replace In-Reply-To: <101420081512.22549.48F4B6E2000E6EF20000581522058844849B9C970A9D02080106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <240519.67087.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> The SHFA-4 is the correct model for that phono--there is very little difference between th -4, and -5, and it is a much better choice then a -3. Other components are correct. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 10/14/08, michigan48@comcast.net wrote: From: michigan48@comcast.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rebuild or Replace To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 8:12 AM Just purchased a Seeburg AY-160 and before I got into re-capping the thing, thought I'd solicit every-bodies opinion. Model No. AY-160U HR Serial # 242621 Has SHF5 Code A, TSU5 Code A, USPU1. Are these the right components. I was figuring maybe an SHF3 by what I see on the Internet. Should I redo the 5, or search around for a SHF3 and go thru it? Thanks for everybody's time and opinions.. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Tue Oct 14 09:57:50 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Oct 14 09:59:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rebuild or Replace In-Reply-To: <240519.67087.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <240519.67087.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F4CF8E.7090402@telus.net> I'm with Ron - someone did you a favour by upgrading to the -5 amp. The only reason to put a -4 in would be in interests of authenticity... John :-#)# Ron Rich wrote: > The SHFA-4 is the correct model for that phono--there is very little difference between th -4, and -5, and it is a much better choice then a -3. Other components are correct. Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, michigan48@comcast.net wrote: > > From: michigan48@comcast.net > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rebuild or Replace > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 8:12 AM > > Just purchased a Seeburg AY-160 and before I got into re-capping the thing, > thought I'd solicit every-bodies opinion. > > Model No. AY-160U HR > Serial # 242621 > > Has SHF5 Code A, TSU5 Code A, USPU1. Are these the right components. I was > figuring maybe an SHF3 by what I see on the Internet. Should I redo the 5, or > search around for a SHF3 and go thru it? > > Thanks for everybody's time and opinions.. > From relder at whoi.edu Tue Oct 14 10:20:01 2008 From: relder at whoi.edu (Robert Elder) Date: Tue Oct 14 10:49:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box Message-ID: <48F4D4C1.6050705@whoi.edu> Greetings all, I have just acquired an old Wurlitzer 1015 juke box. The mechanical parts seem to be in good shape, but most of the rubber bushings and shock mounts are rotted away. The case and plastic parts need lots of work and replacement. The tone arm, speaker and electronics look OK, but have not been powered up. Does anyone here know about where to purchase replacement parts and find written literature about restoring the #1015? Are there any books or web sites about restoring old juke boxes? Thanks...bob From pinball at telus.net Tue Oct 14 11:08:19 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Oct 14 11:09:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box In-Reply-To: <48F4D4C1.6050705@whoi.edu> References: <48F4D4C1.6050705@whoi.edu> Message-ID: <48F4E013.4010100@telus.net> Robert Elder wrote: > > Greetings all, > I have just acquired an old Wurlitzer 1015 juke box. The mechanical > parts seem to be in good shape, but most of the rubber bushings and > shock mounts are rotted away. The case and plastic parts need lots of > work and replacement. The tone arm, speaker and electronics look OK, > but have not been powered up. Does anyone here know about where to > purchase replacement parts and find written literature about > restoring the #1015? Are there any books or web sites about restoring > old juke boxes? > > Thanks...bob Oh, what fun! A great machine to start with, lucky guy. There are a few suppliers of parts for these machines, Victory Glass, and others that have books, etc. on the units. Advice? We have it in buckets here - ask away when you have questions. My shop is right in the middle fo overhauling a 1015 and we shall be building a web page on the process including rebushing worn castings over the next few months (when I have time - I'm the overworked web-master). Google search for pictures, articles, and use the filter "-OMT" so you do not have the One More Time pictures included (Wurlitzer reproduction machine, fine jukebox, but not what you need to worry about right now!). John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Oct 14 12:03:22 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Oct 14 12:05:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box Message-ID: <20081014.150322.130.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Hello Bob: Congratulations on your 1015 find. One of the most complete parts supply houses for classic jukeboxes is Victory Glass Inc. 3260 Ute Ave. Waukee IA 50263 PH 515 987 5765 website: www.victoryglass.com email: vicglass@ix.net Contact Steve or Denny. Victory Glass stocks many replicated parts, including the rubber gaskets and insulators that you're looking for. Buying a service manual for your 1015 will give you a lot of insight as to how it works. They may possibly have some restoration guide books or videos as well. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Security Camera for your small business. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tTf9njkO8deGFutnCkP1AnrqU9vsiy46H3kJ4UGJCDy5RiW/ From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 12:07:10 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Tue Oct 14 12:08:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box In-Reply-To: <48F4D4C1.6050705@whoi.edu> Message-ID: <98061.95082.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Robert, Congratulations on the 1015. There may be other jukeboxes that are more rare, more valuable and more desirable to some but the 1015 is "pure jukebox". I have had my first for 28 years this month and it is the highlight of my collection. Have fun and get a great sense of satisfaction with each step of the restoration process. Don't Hurry! Don't power up until you go over every detail to avoid serious damage! David Wendell, in the Geritol Ghetto --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Robert Elder wrote: > From: Robert Elder > Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 11:20 AM > Greetings all, > I have just acquired an old Wurlitzer 1015 juke box. The > mechanical > parts seem to be in good shape, but most of the rubber > bushings and > shock mounts are rotted away. The case and plastic parts > need lots of > work and replacement. The tone arm, speaker and > electronics look OK, > but have not been powered up. Does anyone here know about > where to > purchase replacement parts and find written literature > about restoring > the #1015? Are there any books or web sites about > restoring old juke boxes? > > Thanks...bob > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Oct 14 12:19:04 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Oct 14 12:21:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rebuild or Replace Message-ID: <20081014.151904.130.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Hello: The Seeburg SHFA5 amplifier was intended for the 1962 model DS series jukes. It readily interchanges with the other early 60's jukeboxes and offers similar audio performance. The SHFA5 featured Seeburg's most recent (and most simplified/efficient) electronic design of all the SHF amp models. This will work to your advantage when you rebuild the amp as it will take less in parts and labor to do so. The tormat receiver and credit unit part numbers are the correct ones for an AY model. If the amp needs a re-cap job, these components are likely due for service also. The correct amp to have for an AY juke would be an SHFA4. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Find precision scales that can weigh anything. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tKsNntrijXQqZBa6OEWFOG3AfoOQsdZhoCPuI89SYODoT18/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Oct 14 12:41:22 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Oct 14 12:44:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions Message-ID: <20081014.154122.21925.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Hello Aaron: Congratulations on your 1475 find. The early Rock Ola stereo jukeboxes (Tempo 1 , 2 , Regis, etc) have a built in speaker system that is wired as mono. A second, external speaker cabinet was required to support stereo sound performance. The speaker system in the jukebox consists of 2 12" full range speakers plus a small format high frequency horn & driver. A capacitor/resistor network mounted on the speaker baffle board acts as a high freq. filter to the driver. Speakers are wired in series/parallel to maintain an impedance match to the amp. Their unusual sound system, used a 3 way mode switch on the amplifier, marked "mono","stereo" and "hybrid" and uses an out-of-phase hookup of the phono cartridge to the amp. I'll talk to you further about it if you need assistance. The service manual shows these details. I've modified some Rock ola's of this era for "single cabinet stereo" performance. This provides slightly increased audio output and eliminates the need for the second speaker cabinet. This is a fairly simple wiring change if you wish to pursue it. Hope this helps, JIm Alexander, Coin Computers ____________________________________________________________ Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGi45VpTNqm5pEMNYRiRZPWNE1HFbDgs5ivtiTmVsQcWiGC/ From drjukebox at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 12:51:29 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Tue Oct 14 12:52:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions In-Reply-To: <20081014.154122.21925.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081014.154122.21925.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690810141251s176a0457v73a6f06f71eec678@mail.gmail.com> I believe 1959 models 1468 & 1475 were mono models, but that later in the year they started offering stereo. Some 1475 I've seen had a "Stereo" decal on the dome glass.Seeburg was (almost) always the first make to introduce new technology, with Rockola being (almost) always the last to adapt. Jens On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 9:41 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Hello Aaron: > Congratulations on your 1475 find. > The early Rock Ola stereo jukeboxes (Tempo 1 , 2 , Regis, etc) have a > built in speaker system that is wired as mono. A second, external > speaker cabinet was required to support stereo sound performance. > The speaker system in the jukebox consists of 2 12" full range speakers > plus a small format high frequency horn & driver. A capacitor/resistor > network mounted on the speaker baffle board acts as a high freq. filter to > the driver. Speakers are wired in series/parallel to maintain an impedance > match to the amp. > Their unusual sound system, used a 3 way mode switch on the amplifier, > marked "mono","stereo" and "hybrid" and uses an out-of-phase hookup of the > phono cartridge to the amp. I'll talk to you further about it if you need > assistance. The service manual shows these details. > I've modified some Rock ola's of this era for "single cabinet stereo" > performance. This provides slightly increased audio output and eliminates > the need for the second speaker cabinet. This is a fairly simple wiring > change if you wish to pursue it. > Hope this helps, > JIm Alexander, Coin Computers > ____________________________________________________________ > Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. Click here. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGi45VpTNqm5pEMNYRiRZPWNE1HFbDgs5ivtiTmVsQcWiGC/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 14 13:33:46 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Tue Oct 14 13:34:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions In-Reply-To: <20081014.154122.21925.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <420519.74015.qm@web54607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Also the AMI Lyric and the AMI models J and K were offered in Stereo as well but they also had support inside for only Mono speakers so you had to have an outboard for stereo. Just another fact I thought so other people would be interested in knowing. ? Regards, Tony --- On Tue, 10/14/08, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 3:41 PM Hello Aaron: Congratulations on your 1475 find. The early Rock Ola stereo jukeboxes (Tempo 1 , 2 , Regis, etc) have a built in speaker system that is wired as mono. A second, external speaker cabinet was required to support stereo sound performance. The speaker system in the jukebox consists of 2 12" full range speakers plus a small format high frequency horn & driver. A capacitor/resistor network mounted on the speaker baffle board acts as a high freq. filter to the driver. Speakers are wired in series/parallel to maintain an impedance match to the amp. Their unusual sound system, used a 3 way mode switch on the amplifier, marked "mono","stereo" and "hybrid" and uses an out-of-phase hookup of the phono cartridge to the amp. I'll talk to you further about it if you need assistance. The service manual shows these details. I've modified some Rock ola's of this era for "single cabinet stereo" performance. This provides slightly increased audio output and eliminates the need for the second speaker cabinet. This is a fairly simple wiring change if you wish to pursue it. Hope this helps, JIm Alexander, Coin Computers ____________________________________________________________ Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGi45VpTNqm5pEMNYRiRZPWNE1HFbDgs5ivtiTmVsQcWiGC/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From drjukebox at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 13:46:48 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Tue Oct 14 13:47:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions In-Reply-To: <420519.74015.qm@web54607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20081014.154122.21925.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> <420519.74015.qm@web54607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690810141346u70e1c423h1b723cde8b7e1b47@mail.gmail.com> This could get out of hand, but.....the J offered stereo by using twin amplifiers. Same setup is sometimes found in late production I models, having a larger amplifier door and a shelf for two amplifiers. Not rare to find I models with two tonearm wires. Only one speaker though... The K sported a new amplifier which carried over to the Lyric and Continentals. As always, Seeburg went all-in and offered only stereo once the decision was made (compare to how they introduced 45 rpm - gutsy people, those Swedes ;o)) Jens On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > Also the AMI Lyric and the AMI models J and K were offered in Stereo as > well but they also had support inside for only Mono speakers so you had to > have an outboard for stereo. Just another fact I thought so other people > would be interested in knowing. > > Regards, Tony > > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, James Alexander wrote: > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Received: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 3:41 PM > > > > Hello Aaron: > Congratulations on your 1475 find. > The early Rock Ola stereo jukeboxes (Tempo 1 , 2 , Regis, etc) have a > built > in speaker system that is wired as mono. A second, external speaker > cabinet > was required to support stereo sound performance. > The speaker system in the jukebox consists of 2 12" full range speakers > plus a small format high frequency horn & driver. A capacitor/resistor > network mounted on the speaker baffle board acts as a high freq. filter to > the > driver. Speakers are wired in series/parallel to maintain an impedance > match to > the amp. > Their unusual sound system, used a 3 way mode switch on the amplifier, > marked > "mono","stereo" and "hybrid" and uses an > out-of-phase hookup of the phono cartridge to the amp. I'll talk to you > further about it if you need assistance. The service manual shows these > details. > I've modified some Rock ola's of this era for "single cabinet > stereo" performance. This provides slightly increased audio output and > eliminates the need for the second speaker cabinet. This is a fairly > simple > wiring change if you wish to pursue it. > Hope this helps, > JIm Alexander, Coin Computers > ____________________________________________________________ > Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. Click here. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGi45VpTNqm5pEMNYRiRZPWNE1HFbDgs5ivtiTmVsQcWiGC/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your > favourite sites. Download it now at > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Oct 14 14:01:45 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Tue Oct 14 13:59:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions Message-ID: <200810141701185.SM03212@[192.168.1.206]> My 1475 does indeed have the "Stereophic" decal on the front dome. The amp also states "Rock-Ola Hi-Fi Stereo Amplifier." So with that said, what should I be looking for as replacements for the missing speakers? James, I don't have the jukebox home at my shop just yet so I can't confirm if there's a crossover on the speaker board or not. But I can tell you that there is no "hybrid" switch on the amp. Aaron From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Tue Oct 14 14:04:10 2008 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Tue Oct 14 14:05:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions References: <20081014.154122.21925.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com><420519.74015.qm@web54607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3154d3690810141346u70e1c423h1b723cde8b7e1b47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2D0ED4F6FBFA4CF8ADCAF447B630DCC1@JUKEBUS> .....and my first jukebox, a Bergman S80 had the word "Stereo" on the front glass. Slightly misleading as there was only a mono amplifier and single speaker! As I recall it was fitted with a stereo cartridge, but only a single core wire to the tonearm, the channels being shorted together at the cartridge. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Hultgren" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions This could get out of hand, but.....the J offered stereo by using twin amplifiers. Same setup is sometimes found in late production I models, having a larger amplifier door and a shelf for two amplifiers. Not rare to find I models with two tonearm wires. Only one speaker though... The K sported a new amplifier which carried over to the Lyric and Continentals. As always, Seeburg went all-in and offered only stereo once the decision was made (compare to how they introduced 45 rpm - gutsy people, those Swedes ;o)) Jens On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > Also the AMI Lyric and the AMI models J and K were offered in Stereo as > well but they also had support inside for only Mono speakers so you had to > have an outboard for stereo. Just another fact I thought so other people > would be interested in knowing. > > Regards, Tony > > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, James Alexander wrote: > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Received: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 3:41 PM > > > > Hello Aaron: > Congratulations on your 1475 find. > The early Rock Ola stereo jukeboxes (Tempo 1 , 2 , Regis, etc) have a > built > in speaker system that is wired as mono. A second, external speaker > cabinet > was required to support stereo sound performance. > The speaker system in the jukebox consists of 2 12" full range speakers > plus a small format high frequency horn & driver. A capacitor/resistor > network mounted on the speaker baffle board acts as a high freq. filter to > the > driver. Speakers are wired in series/parallel to maintain an impedance > match to > the amp. > Their unusual sound system, used a 3 way mode switch on the amplifier, > marked > "mono","stereo" and "hybrid" and uses an > out-of-phase hookup of the phono cartridge to the amp. I'll talk to you > further about it if you need assistance. The service manual shows these > details. > I've modified some Rock ola's of this era for "single cabinet > stereo" performance. This provides slightly increased audio output and > eliminates the need for the second speaker cabinet. This is a fairly > simple > wiring change if you wish to pursue it. > Hope this helps, > JIm Alexander, Coin Computers > ____________________________________________________________ > Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1724 - Release Date: 14/10/2008 02:02 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 14:16:56 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Oct 14 14:18:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box In-Reply-To: <48F4D4C1.6050705@whoi.edu> Message-ID: <521981.92697.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bob, Most of theparts for those were repro'd bby Ed Jones of Jukebox Junction. He, along with VG, still sell them. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Robert Elder wrote: From: Robert Elder Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:20 AM Greetings all, I have just acquired an old Wurlitzer 1015 juke box. The mechanical parts seem to be in good shape, but most of the rubber bushings and shock mounts are rotted away. The case and plastic parts need lots of work and replacement. The tone arm, speaker and electronics look OK, but have not been powered up. Does anyone here know about where to purchase replacement parts and find written literature about restoring the #1015? Are there any books or web sites about restoring old juke boxes? Thanks...bob _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Oct 14 14:52:24 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Tue Oct 14 14:49:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions Message-ID: <200810141752326.SM03212@[192.168.1.206]> HA! Same thing could be said of the 1468 Tempo 1 I had as a kid. It said "Stereophonic" on it, and clearly had TWO speakers in the cabinet...but only one of them seemed to work. As I kid, I could never figure out why the amp never had a "balance" control on it besides Bass and Treble. Of course, I didn't have a clue what a true stereo or mono amp looked like back then. All I know is that the amp had only one of those black transformer looking thingies on it....uh...output transformers. Good indication that it was a mono amp feeding only one speaker. Ah well. It sounded good anyway. Aaron From relder at whoi.edu Tue Oct 14 14:53:25 2008 From: relder at whoi.edu (Robert Elder) Date: Tue Oct 14 14:54:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box In-Reply-To: <48F4E013.4010100@telus.net> References: <48F4D4C1.6050705@whoi.edu> <48F4E013.4010100@telus.net> Message-ID: <48F514D5.3090709@whoi.edu> Hi John, Thanks for the feedback. I have rebuilt many things including a Model A ford, but as yet have not tried to do an authentic restoration. Doing the work, weather it me mechanical, electrical or wood work is no problem. The piece of the pie that I have missing is what the proper thing is to do to preserve the antique value. Anyway, thanks for the info...bob John Robertson wrote: > Robert Elder wrote: >> >> Greetings all, >> I have just acquired an old Wurlitzer 1015 juke box. The mechanical >> parts seem to be in good shape, but most of the rubber bushings and >> shock mounts are rotted away. The case and plastic parts need lots >> of work and replacement. The tone arm, speaker and electronics look >> OK, but have not been powered up. Does anyone here know about where >> to purchase replacement parts and find written literature about >> restoring the #1015? Are there any books or web sites about >> restoring old juke boxes? >> >> Thanks...bob > Oh, what fun! A great machine to start with, lucky guy. > > There are a few suppliers of parts for these machines, Victory Glass, > and others that have books, etc. on the units. > > Advice? We have it in buckets here - ask away when you have questions. > My shop is right in the middle fo overhauling a 1015 and we shall be > building a web page on the process including rebushing worn castings > over the next few months (when I have time - I'm the overworked > web-master). > > Google search for pictures, articles, and use the filter "-OMT" so you > do not have the One More Time pictures included (Wurlitzer > reproduction machine, fine jukebox, but not what you need to worry > about right now!). > > John :-#)# > From relder at whoi.edu Tue Oct 14 14:54:29 2008 From: relder at whoi.edu (Robert Elder) Date: Tue Oct 14 14:55:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box In-Reply-To: <20081014.150322.130.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081014.150322.130.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <48F51515.9010503@whoi.edu> Hi James, Thanks for the feedback. I have rebuilt many things including a Model A ford, but as yet have not tried to do an authentic restoration. Doing the work, weather it me mechanical, electrical or wood work is no problem. The piece of the pie that I have missing is what the proper thing is to do to preserve the antique value. Anyway, thanks for the info...bob James Alexander wrote: > > Hello Bob: > Congratulations on your 1015 find. One of the most complete parts supply houses for classic jukeboxes is Victory Glass Inc. 3260 Ute Ave. Waukee IA 50263 PH 515 987 5765 website: www.victoryglass.com email: vicglass@ix.net Contact Steve or Denny. > Victory Glass stocks many replicated parts, including the rubber gaskets and insulators that you're looking for. Buying a service manual for your 1015 will give you a lot of insight as to how it works. They may possibly have some restoration guide books or videos as well. > Hope this helps, > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Security Camera for your small business. Click Now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tTf9njkO8deGFutnCkP1AnrqU9vsiy46H3kJ4UGJCDy5RiW/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From relder at whoi.edu Tue Oct 14 14:57:35 2008 From: relder at whoi.edu (Robert Elder) Date: Tue Oct 14 14:58:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box In-Reply-To: <521981.92697.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <521981.92697.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F515CF.3090405@whoi.edu> Hi Ron, Thanks for the feedback. I have rebuilt many things including a Model A ford, but as yet have not tried to do an authentic restoration. Doing the work, weather it me mechanical, electrical or wood work is no problem. The piece of the pie that I have missing is what the proper thing is to do to preserve the antique value. Thanks for the info...bob Ron Rich wrote: > Bob, > Most of theparts for those were repro'd bby Ed Jones of Jukebox Junction. He, along with VG, still sell them. Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Robert Elder wrote: > > From: Robert Elder > Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:20 AM > > Greetings all, > I have just acquired an old Wurlitzer 1015 juke box. The mechanical > parts seem to be in good shape, but most of the rubber bushings and > shock mounts are rotted away. The case and plastic parts need lots of > work and replacement. The tone arm, speaker and electronics look OK, > but have not been powered up. Does anyone here know about where to > purchase replacement parts and find written literature about restoring > the #1015? Are there any books or web sites about restoring old juke boxes? > > Thanks...bob > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 15:03:47 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Oct 14 15:04:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions In-Reply-To: <3154d3690810141251s176a0457v73a6f06f71eec678@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <407361.48765.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Jens, Wasn't that "copy it" rather then "Adapt it" ?? Oh, I? see, you, unlike me are a nice guy !! Ron Rich --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: From: Jens Hultgren Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 12:51 PM I believe 1959 models 1468 & 1475 were mono models, but that later in the year they started offering stereo. Some 1475 I've seen had a "Stereo" decal on the dome glass.Seeburg was (almost) always the first make to introduce new technology, with Rockola being (almost) always the last to adapt. Jens On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 9:41 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > > Hello Aaron: > Congratulations on your 1475 find. > The early Rock Ola stereo jukeboxes (Tempo 1 , 2 , Regis, etc) have a > built in speaker system that is wired as mono. A second, external > speaker cabinet was required to support stereo sound performance. > The speaker system in the jukebox consists of 2 12" full range speakers > plus a small format high frequency horn & driver. A capacitor/resistor > network mounted on the speaker baffle board acts as a high freq. filter to > the driver. Speakers are wired in series/parallel to maintain an impedance > match to the amp. > Their unusual sound system, used a 3 way mode switch on the amplifier, > marked "mono","stereo" and "hybrid" and uses an out-of-phase hookup of the > phono cartridge to the amp. I'll talk to you further about it if you need > assistance. The service manual shows these details. > I've modified some Rock ola's of this era for "single cabinet stereo" > performance. This provides slightly increased audio output and eliminates > the need for the second speaker cabinet. This is a fairly simple wiring > change if you wish to pursue it. > Hope this helps, > JIm Alexander, Coin Computers > ____________________________________________________________ > Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. Click here. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGi45VpTNqm5pEMNYRiRZPWNE1HFbDgs5ivtiTmVsQcWiGC/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 15:10:31 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Oct 14 15:11:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions In-Reply-To: <3154d3690810141346u70e1c423h1b723cde8b7e1b47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <451732.62224.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jens, Mono models were offered, by Seeburg,?thru the "Y" models--maybe the AY models too, though I doubt it. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: From: Jens Hultgren Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions To: oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 1:46 PM This could get out of hand, but.....the J offered stereo by using twin amplifiers. Same setup is sometimes found in late production I models, having a larger amplifier door and a shelf for two amplifiers. Not rare to find I models with two tonearm wires. Only one speaker though... The K sported a new amplifier which carried over to the Lyric and Continentals. As always, Seeburg went all-in and offered only stereo once the decision was made (compare to how they introduced 45 rpm - gutsy people, those Swedes ;o)) Jens On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > Also the AMI Lyric and the AMI models J and K were offered in Stereo as > well but they also had support inside for only Mono speakers so you had to > have an outboard for stereo. Just another fact I thought so other people > would be interested in knowing. > > Regards, Tony > > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, James Alexander wrote: > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Received: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 3:41 PM > > > > Hello Aaron: > Congratulations on your 1475 find. > The early Rock Ola stereo jukeboxes (Tempo 1 , 2 , Regis, etc) have a > built > in speaker system that is wired as mono. A second, external speaker > cabinet > was required to support stereo sound performance. > The speaker system in the jukebox consists of 2 12" full range speakers > plus a small format high frequency horn & driver. A capacitor/resistor > network mounted on the speaker baffle board acts as a high freq. filter to > the > driver. Speakers are wired in series/parallel to maintain an impedance > match to > the amp. > Their unusual sound system, used a 3 way mode switch on the amplifier, > marked > "mono","stereo" and "hybrid" and uses an > out-of-phase hookup of the phono cartridge to the amp. I'll talk to you > further about it if you need assistance. The service manual shows these > details. > I've modified some Rock ola's of this era for "single cabinet > stereo" performance. This provides slightly increased audio output and > eliminates the need for the second speaker cabinet. This is a fairly > simple > wiring change if you wish to pursue it. > Hope this helps, > JIm Alexander, Coin Computers > ____________________________________________________________ > Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. Click here. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGi45VpTNqm5pEMNYRiRZPWNE1HFbDgs5ivtiTmVsQcWiGC/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your > favourite sites. Download it now at > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 15:18:07 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Tue Oct 14 15:19:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions In-Reply-To: <451732.62224.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <3154d3690810141346u70e1c423h1b723cde8b7e1b47@mail.gmail.com> <451732.62224.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690810141518o58c3a11uda976bfec08fef9f@mail.gmail.com> Ron, have you seen (m)any 1959-60 mono Seeburgs? Jens On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > Jens, > Mono models were offered, by Seeburg, thru the "Y" models--maybe the AY > models too, though I doubt it. Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > > From: Jens Hultgren > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions > To: oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca, "Jukebox mailing list" < > jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 1:46 PM > > This could get out of hand, but.....the J offered stereo by using twin > amplifiers. Same setup is sometimes found in late production I models, > having a larger amplifier door and a shelf for two amplifiers. Not rare to > find I models with two tonearm wires. Only one speaker though... > The K sported a new amplifier which carried over to the Lyric and > Continentals. > > As always, Seeburg went all-in and offered only stereo once the decision > was > made (compare to how they introduced 45 rpm - gutsy people, those Swedes > ;o)) > > Jens > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Lala Blah Blah > wrote: > > > Also the AMI Lyric and the AMI models J and K were offered in Stereo as > > well but they also had support inside for only Mono speakers so you had > to > > have an outboard for stereo. Just another fact I thought so other people > > would be interested in knowing. > > > > Regards, Tony > > > > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, James Alexander > wrote: > > > > From: James Alexander > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Received: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 3:41 PM > > > > > > > > Hello Aaron: > > Congratulations on your 1475 find. > > The early Rock Ola stereo jukeboxes (Tempo 1 , 2 , Regis, etc) have a > > built > > in speaker system that is wired as mono. A second, external speaker > > cabinet > > was required to support stereo sound performance. > > The speaker system in the jukebox consists of 2 12" full range > speakers > > plus a small format high frequency horn & driver. A > capacitor/resistor > > network mounted on the speaker baffle board acts as a high freq. filter > to > > the > > driver. Speakers are wired in series/parallel to maintain an impedance > > match to > > the amp. > > Their unusual sound system, used a 3 way mode switch on the amplifier, > > marked > > "mono","stereo" and "hybrid" and uses an > > out-of-phase hookup of the phono cartridge to the amp. I'll talk to > you > > further about it if you need assistance. The service manual shows these > > details. > > I've modified some Rock ola's of this era for "single > cabinet > > stereo" performance. This provides slightly increased audio output > and > > eliminates the need for the second speaker cabinet. This is a fairly > > simple > > wiring change if you wish to pursue it. > > Hope this helps, > > JIm Alexander, Coin Computers > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. Click here. > > > > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGi45VpTNqm5pEMNYRiRZPWNE1HFbDgs5ivtiTmVsQcWiGC/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your > > favourite sites. Download it now at > > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From drjukebox at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 16:10:49 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Tue Oct 14 16:11:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Early stereo jukes (was: something else) Message-ID: <3154d3690810141610y535c5e61r397642ecb525a629@mail.gmail.com> I took it from memory, and I was wrong then. I think I may have seen one or two mono Q models?They can't have built many. But that starts me thinking - what was the last Rockola mono model? Was the Tempo 2 and Regis even offered in mono? Maybe David C. wasn't such a bad guy after all. :o) And further, I have had a 1464 that was factory stereo - also had a "Stereo" decal on the glass. And the 1464 is listed as a 1958 model. However, I think the stereo version was probably made in 1959. To expand the subject a little Wurlitzer's first stereo was 23xxS (1959) and last mono 25xx (1961) Seeburg: 220/222 (1958-9) AY (1961)? Rockola: 1464/68/75 (1959) ? AMI: I series (1958) Continental 2 (1962) Pls correct me where I erred. Another angle on the subject: all the 23-23-2500 Wurlies I've owned from the US were stereo machines, whereas almost all the ones I've found in Europe were mono. Makes me think Europeans were less open to new technology? Or less affluent perhaps, at the time. :o) thx, Jens On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:28 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > Hi Jens, > I have seen a few--a lot of them with the added "2nd Mono" (C1HFA-1, > C2HFA-1) amps, but most of these were 100 select models, as I remember it. > --Ron Rich > > > --- On *Tue, 10/14/08, Jens Hultgren * wrote: > > From: Jens Hultgren > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions > To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" < > jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 3:18 PM > > > Ron, have you seen (m)any 1959-60 mono Seeburgs? > Jens > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Jens, >> Mono models were offered, by Seeburg, thru the "Y" models--maybe the AY >> models too, though I doubt it. Ron Rich >> >> --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: >> >> From: Jens Hultgren >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions >> To: oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca, "Jukebox mailing list" < >> jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> >> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 1:46 PM >> >> This could get out of hand, but.....the J offered stereo by using twin >> amplifiers. Same setup is sometimes found in late production I models, >> having a larger amplifier door and a shelf for two amplifiers. Not rare to >> find I models with two tonearm wires. Only one speaker though... >> The K sported a new amplifier which carried over to the Lyric and >> Continentals. >> >> As always, Seeburg went all-in and offered only stereo once the decision >> was >> made (compare to how they introduced 45 rpm - gutsy people, those Swedes >> ;o)) >> >> Jens >> >> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Lala Blah Blah >> wrote: >> >> > Also the AMI Lyric and the AMI models J and K were offered in Stereo as >> > well but they also had support inside for only Mono speakers so you had >> to >> > have an outboard for stereo. Just another fact I thought so other people >> > would be interested in knowing. >> > >> > Regards, Tony >> > >> > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, James Alexander >> wrote: >> > >> > From: James Alexander >> > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions >> > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > Received: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 3:41 PM >> > >> > >> > >> > Hello Aaron: >> > Congratulations on your 1475 find. >> > The early Rock Ola stereo jukeboxes (Tempo 1 , 2 , Regis, etc) have a >> > built >> > in speaker system that is wired as mono. A second, external speaker >> > cabinet >> > was required to support stereo sound performance. >> > The speaker system in the jukebox consists of 2 12" full range >> speakers >> > plus a small format high frequency horn & driver. A >> capacitor/resistor >> > network mounted on the speaker baffle board acts as a high freq. filter >> to >> > the >> > driver. Speakers are wired in series/parallel to maintain an impedance >> > match to >> > the amp. >> > Their unusual sound system, used a 3 way mode switch on the amplifier, >> > marked >> > "mono","stereo" and "hybrid" and uses an >> > out-of-phase hookup of the phono cartridge to the amp. I'll talk to >> you >> > further about it if you need assistance. The service manual shows >> these >> > details. >> > I've modified some Rock ola's of this era for "single >> cabinet >> > stereo" performance. This provides slightly increased audio output >> and >> > eliminates the need for the second speaker cabinet. This is a fairly >> > simple >> > wiring change if you wish to pursue it. >> > Hope this helps, >> > JIm Alexander, Coin Computers >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. Click here. >> > >> > >> >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGi45VpTNqm5pEMNYRiRZPWNE1HFbDgs5ivtiTmVsQcWiGC/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________________________ >> > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark >> your >> > favourite sites. Download it now at >> > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Oct 14 16:33:45 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Oct 14 16:34:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions References: <20081014.154122.21925.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com><420519.74015.qm@web54607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3154d3690810141346u70e1c423h1b723cde8b7e1b47@mail.gmail.com> <2D0ED4F6FBFA4CF8ADCAF447B630DCC1@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: and.........my Wurly 2410 with "Stereo" on the Glass while it has a mono amp and 1 speaker!! I think we determined the glass was either replaced or used at the factory because they ran out of the regular glass domes for the mono version...just thought I'd add my cents! :) Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juke of Shrewsbury" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions > .....and my first jukebox, a Bergman S80 had the word "Stereo" on the > front > glass. Slightly misleading as there was only a mono amplifier and single > speaker! As I recall it was fitted with a stereo cartridge, but only a > single core wire to the tonearm, the channels being shorted together at > the > cartridge. > > Adrian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jens Hultgren" > To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions > > > This could get out of hand, but.....the J offered stereo by using twin > amplifiers. Same setup is sometimes found in late production I models, > having a larger amplifier door and a shelf for two amplifiers. Not rare to > find I models with two tonearm wires. Only one speaker though... > The K sported a new amplifier which carried over to the Lyric and > Continentals. > > As always, Seeburg went all-in and offered only stereo once the decision > was > made (compare to how they introduced 45 rpm - gutsy people, those Swedes > ;o)) > > Jens > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Lala Blah Blah > wrote: > >> Also the AMI Lyric and the AMI models J and K were offered in Stereo as >> well but they also had support inside for only Mono speakers so you had >> to >> have an outboard for stereo. Just another fact I thought so other people >> would be interested in knowing. >> >> Regards, Tony >> >> --- On Tue, 10/14/08, James Alexander wrote: >> >> From: James Alexander >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Received: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 3:41 PM >> >> >> >> Hello Aaron: >> Congratulations on your 1475 find. >> The early Rock Ola stereo jukeboxes (Tempo 1 , 2 , Regis, etc) have a >> built >> in speaker system that is wired as mono. A second, external speaker >> cabinet >> was required to support stereo sound performance. >> The speaker system in the jukebox consists of 2 12" full range speakers >> plus a small format high frequency horn & driver. A capacitor/resistor >> network mounted on the speaker baffle board acts as a high freq. filter >> to >> the >> driver. Speakers are wired in series/parallel to maintain an impedance >> match to >> the amp. >> Their unusual sound system, used a 3 way mode switch on the amplifier, >> marked >> "mono","stereo" and "hybrid" and uses an >> out-of-phase hookup of the phono cartridge to the amp. I'll talk to you >> further about it if you need assistance. The service manual shows these >> details. >> I've modified some Rock ola's of this era for "single cabinet >> stereo" performance. This provides slightly increased audio output and >> eliminates the need for the second speaker cabinet. This is a fairly >> simple >> wiring change if you wish to pursue it. >> Hope this helps, >> JIm Alexander, Coin Computers >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. Click here. >> >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGi45VpTNqm5pEMNYRiRZPWNE1HFbDgs5ivtiTmVsQcWiGC/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________________________ >> Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your >> favourite sites. Download it now at >> http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1724 - Release Date: 14/10/2008 > 02:02 > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Oct 14 16:37:04 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Oct 14 16:38:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box References: <521981.92697.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87C13CF0E6DF42268C1FB2F00F3D9CD9@home1903> Ron, that's the first time I've heard of Jukebox Junction, I went to his site...wonder if he makes the Domes for the 1650? I will contact him tomorrow to check....thanks for the information! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box > Bob, > Most of theparts for those were repro'd bby Ed Jones of Jukebox Junction. > He, along with VG, still sell them. Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Robert Elder wrote: > > From: Robert Elder > Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:20 AM > > Greetings all, > I have just acquired an old Wurlitzer 1015 juke box. The mechanical > parts seem to be in good shape, but most of the rubber bushings and > shock mounts are rotted away. The case and plastic parts need lots of > work and replacement. The tone arm, speaker and electronics look OK, > but have not been powered up. Does anyone here know about where to > purchase replacement parts and find written literature about restoring > the #1015? Are there any books or web sites about restoring old juke > boxes? > > Thanks...bob > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Oct 14 18:55:41 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Tue Oct 14 18:53:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions Message-ID: <200810142155857.SM05984@[192.168.1.206]> Oh man, guys...we've gotten off my original topic. I feel abandoned. :( What about those speakers? Anything about that grill "V"? By the way... I'm not so sure that Jukebox Junction is as active as they used to be. I used to talk to Ed and Kim whenever I needed parts for a Wurlitzer or Seeburg I'd be working on. I tried calling recently and I got a recording saying the "mailbox is no longer accepting calls" or something like that. Aaron From relder at whoi.edu Tue Oct 14 18:54:13 2008 From: relder at whoi.edu (Robert Elder) Date: Tue Oct 14 18:55:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box In-Reply-To: <521981.92697.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <521981.92697.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F54D45.5050006@whoi.edu> Hi Ron, Thanks for the info. I will check out this website ASAP. Thanks...bob Ron Rich wrote: > Bob, > Most of theparts for those were repro'd bby Ed Jones of Jukebox Junction. He, along with VG, still sell them. Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Robert Elder wrote: > > From: Robert Elder > Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:20 AM > > Greetings all, > I have just acquired an old Wurlitzer 1015 juke box. The mechanical > parts seem to be in good shape, but most of the rubber bushings and > shock mounts are rotted away. The case and plastic parts need lots of > work and replacement. The tone arm, speaker and electronics look OK, > but have not been powered up. Does anyone here know about where to > purchase replacement parts and find written literature about restoring > the #1015? Are there any books or web sites about restoring old juke boxes? > > Thanks...bob > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 14 19:00:53 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Tue Oct 14 19:01:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions In-Reply-To: <200810142155857.SM05984@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <249134.41807.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Arron: to the best of knowledge they have shut down. I bought some parts from them on Ebay and they led me to believe they were getting out of the business. Alot of the things they were selling were NOS parts and reproduction parts. They were awesome deals when they were selling them. I sincerely hope I am wrong. ? Regards, Tony --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 9:55 PM Oh man, guys...we've gotten off my original topic. I feel abandoned. :( What about those speakers? Anything about that grill "V"? By the way... I'm not so sure that Jukebox Junction is as active as they used to be. I used to talk to Ed and Kim whenever I needed parts for a Wurlitzer or Seeburg I'd be working on. I tried calling recently and I got a recording saying the "mailbox is no longer accepting calls" or something like that. Aaron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 14 19:10:43 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Oct 14 19:11:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions References: <3154d3690810141346u70e1c423h1b723cde8b7e1b47@mail.gmail.com><451732.62224.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <3154d3690810141518o58c3a11uda976bfec08fef9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006501c92e6b$3c8669b0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Maybe 3-4 years ago, I got into a warehouse and brought home 22 jukes, 9 of which were mono Q100's, and one mono Y100. The upper glass reads "high fidelity". These machines did not have a stepper either and must have been the base price model. The mono amps are in the same size chassis, but split right down the middle and one half is "blanked out". It's much easier to rebuild and far cheaper to re-tube. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Hultgren" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions > Ron, have you seen (m)any 1959-60 mono Seeburgs? > Jens > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Jens, >> Mono models were offered, by Seeburg, thru the "Y" models--maybe the AY >> models too, though I doubt it. Ron Rich >> >> --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: >> >> From: Jens Hultgren >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions >> To: oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca, "Jukebox mailing list" < >> jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> >> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 1:46 PM >> >> This could get out of hand, but.....the J offered stereo by using twin >> amplifiers. Same setup is sometimes found in late production I models, >> having a larger amplifier door and a shelf for two amplifiers. Not rare >> to >> find I models with two tonearm wires. Only one speaker though... >> The K sported a new amplifier which carried over to the Lyric and >> Continentals. >> >> As always, Seeburg went all-in and offered only stereo once the decision >> was >> made (compare to how they introduced 45 rpm - gutsy people, those Swedes >> ;o)) >> >> Jens >> >> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Lala Blah Blah >> wrote: >> >> > Also the AMI Lyric and the AMI models J and K were offered in Stereo as >> > well but they also had support inside for only Mono speakers so you had >> to >> > have an outboard for stereo. Just another fact I thought so other >> > people >> > would be interested in knowing. >> > >> > Regards, Tony >> > >> > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, James Alexander >> wrote: >> > >> > From: James Alexander >> > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions >> > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > Received: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 3:41 PM >> > >> > >> > >> > Hello Aaron: >> > Congratulations on your 1475 find. >> > The early Rock Ola stereo jukeboxes (Tempo 1 , 2 , Regis, etc) have >> > a >> > built >> > in speaker system that is wired as mono. A second, external >> > speaker >> > cabinet >> > was required to support stereo sound performance. >> > The speaker system in the jukebox consists of 2 12" full range >> speakers >> > plus a small format high frequency horn & driver. A >> capacitor/resistor >> > network mounted on the speaker baffle board acts as a high freq. filter >> to >> > the >> > driver. Speakers are wired in series/parallel to maintain an impedance >> > match to >> > the amp. >> > Their unusual sound system, used a 3 way mode switch on the amplifier, >> > marked >> > "mono","stereo" and "hybrid" and uses an >> > out-of-phase hookup of the phono cartridge to the amp. I'll talk to >> you >> > further about it if you need assistance. The service manual shows >> > these >> > details. >> > I've modified some Rock ola's of this era for "single >> cabinet >> > stereo" performance. This provides slightly increased audio output >> and >> > eliminates the need for the second speaker cabinet. This is a fairly >> > simple >> > wiring change if you wish to pursue it. >> > Hope this helps, >> > JIm Alexander, Coin Computers >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. Click here. >> > >> > >> >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGi45VpTNqm5pEMNYRiRZPWNE1HFbDgs5ivtiTmVsQcWiGC/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________________________ >> > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark >> > your >> > favourite sites. Download it now at >> > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 19:49:52 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Oct 14 19:50:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions In-Reply-To: <200810142155857.SM05984@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <939676.42055.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Aaron, As I understand it---They are still "working" just "not as much"---Ron Rich --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 6:55 PM Oh man, guys...we've gotten off my original topic. I feel abandoned. :( What about those speakers? Anything about that grill "V"? By the way... I'm not so sure that Jukebox Junction is as active as they used to be. I used to talk to Ed and Kim whenever I needed parts for a Wurlitzer or Seeburg I'd be working on. I tried calling recently and I got a recording saying the "mailbox is no longer accepting calls" or something like that. Aaron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 19:54:21 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Oct 14 19:55:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions In-Reply-To: <006501c92e6b$3c8669b0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <837346.64525.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jim, The "blanked out" section is removable, and they made (almost) a whole other side that screwed/pluged in,?which made that into?a Stereo amp--almost exactly the same as the SHFA (-2--I think)?models. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 10/14/08, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 7:10 PM Maybe 3-4 years ago, I got into a warehouse and brought home 22 jukes, 9 of which were mono Q100's, and one mono Y100. The upper glass reads "high fidelity". These machines did not have a stepper either and must have been the base price model. The mono amps are in the same size chassis, but split right down the middle and one half is "blanked out". It's much easier to rebuild and far cheaper to re-tube. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Hultgren" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions > Ron, have you seen (m)any 1959-60 mono Seeburgs? > Jens > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Jens, >> Mono models were offered, by Seeburg, thru the "Y" models--maybe the AY >> models too, though I doubt it. Ron Rich >> >> --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: >> >> From: Jens Hultgren >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions >> To: oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca, "Jukebox mailing list" < >> jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> >> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 1:46 PM >> >> This could get out of hand, but.....the J offered stereo by using twin >> amplifiers. Same setup is sometimes found in late production I models, >> having a larger amplifier door and a shelf for two amplifiers. Not rare >> to >> find I models with two tonearm wires. Only one speaker though... >> The K sported a new amplifier which carried over to the Lyric and >> Continentals. >> >> As always, Seeburg went all-in and offered only stereo once the decision >> was >> made (compare to how they introduced 45 rpm - gutsy people, those Swedes >> ;o)) >> >> Jens >> >> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Lala Blah Blah >> wrote: >> >> > Also the AMI Lyric and the AMI models J and K were offered in Stereo as >> > well but they also had support inside for only Mono speakers so you had >> to >> > have an outboard for stereo. Just another fact I thought so other >> > people >> > would be interested in knowing. >> > >> > Regards, Tony >> > >> > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, James Alexander >> wrote: >> > >> > From: James Alexander >> > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions >> > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > Received: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 3:41 PM >> > >> > >> > >> > Hello Aaron: >> > Congratulations on your 1475 find. >> > The early Rock Ola stereo jukeboxes (Tempo 1 , 2 , Regis, etc) have >> > a >> > built >> > in speaker system that is wired as mono. A second, external >> > speaker >> > cabinet >> > was required to support stereo sound performance. >> > The speaker system in the jukebox consists of 2 12" full range >> speakers >> > plus a small format high frequency horn & driver. A >> capacitor/resistor >> > network mounted on the speaker baffle board acts as a high freq. filter >> to >> > the >> > driver. Speakers are wired in series/parallel to maintain an impedance >> > match to >> > the amp. >> > Their unusual sound system, used a 3 way mode switch on the amplifier, >> > marked >> > "mono","stereo" and "hybrid" and uses an >> > out-of-phase hookup of the phono cartridge to the amp. I'll talk to >> you >> > further about it if you need assistance. The service manual shows >> > these >> > details. >> > I've modified some Rock ola's of this era for "single >> cabinet >> > stereo" performance. This provides slightly increased audio output >> and >> > eliminates the need for the second speaker cabinet. This is a fairly >> > simple >> > wiring change if you wish to pursue it. >> > Hope this helps, >> > JIm Alexander, Coin Computers >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. Click here. >> > >> > >> >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGi45VpTNqm5pEMNYRiRZPWNE1HFbDgs5ivtiTmVsQcWiGC/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________________________ >> > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark >> > your >> > favourite sites. Download it now at >> > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Wed Oct 15 00:28:31 2008 From: chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk (Chris K. Tanner) Date: Wed Oct 15 00:30:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box References: <48F4D4C1.6050705@whoi.edu> Message-ID: <3EB3A8BC9C054FECBD90D3CF79E939B9@acerc2d0f03b5f> Hi Bob, I am not an expert by any means but I have restored three 1015 and an 1100. I purchased the bubble tubes and plastics from Victory Glass. I don't mind being your restoration "buddy" on this if you wish. Regards Chris T chris@cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Elder" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box > > Greetings all, > I have just acquired an old Wurlitzer 1015 juke box. The mechanical > parts seem to be in good shape, but most of the rubber bushings and > shock mounts are rotted away. The case and plastic parts need lots of > work and replacement. The tone arm, speaker and electronics look OK, > but have not been powered up. Does anyone here know about where to > purchase replacement parts and find written literature about restoring > the #1015? Are there any books or web sites about restoring old juke > boxes? > > Thanks...bob > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1724 - Release Date: 10/14/2008 2:02 AM From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Wed Oct 15 02:31:37 2008 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Wed Oct 15 02:47:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions References: <939676.42055.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <405FE5C23A0146B39FC3F34C81B6F01C@Graeme> Ron, I purchased several items on E Bay from Ed at Jukebox Junction back in June this year. At the time he stated that he would be closing at the end of June for a few months I think I recall it was to go traveling. I had the impression that he will be reopening. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions > Aaron, > As I understand it---They are still "working" just "not as much"---Ron > Rich > > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: > > From: Aaron Heverin > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 6:55 PM > > Oh man, guys...we've gotten off my original topic. I feel abandoned. :( > What > about those speakers? Anything about that grill "V"? > > By the way... I'm not so sure that Jukebox Junction is as active as they > used to be. I used to talk to Ed and Kim whenever I needed parts for a > Wurlitzer > or Seeburg I'd be working on. I tried calling recently and I got a > recording > saying the "mailbox is no longer accepting calls" or something like > that. > > Aaron > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From relder at whoi.edu Wed Oct 15 05:08:35 2008 From: relder at whoi.edu (Robert Elder) Date: Wed Oct 15 05:09:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box In-Reply-To: <3EB3A8BC9C054FECBD90D3CF79E939B9@acerc2d0f03b5f> References: <48F4D4C1.6050705@whoi.edu> <3EB3A8BC9C054FECBD90D3CF79E939B9@acerc2d0f03b5f> Message-ID: <48F5DD43.6080401@whoi.edu> Hi Chris, Thanks for the offer. I would appreciate having someone to bounce ideas off of. This juke box literally fell into my lap this week. I was not in the market for a project like this even though I have always admired old mechanical music machines. I pick it up tonight to put it n my shop, to sit with my other un-finished projects. I travel a lot for my job, so most of my projects get put on the back burner. I guess the first question it, are there any restoration books or guide lines for this juke box with pictures, parts lists, and perhaps suggestions of how to proceed that others have written? Once again, thanks...bob Chris K. Tanner wrote: > Hi Bob, > I am not an expert by any means but I have restored three 1015 and an > 1100. I purchased the bubble tubes and plastics from Victory Glass. I > don't mind being your restoration "buddy" on this if you wish. > Regards Chris T > chris@cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Elder" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:20 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box > > >> >> Greetings all, >> I have just acquired an old Wurlitzer 1015 juke box. The mechanical >> parts seem to be in good shape, but most of the rubber bushings and >> shock mounts are rotted away. The case and plastic parts need lots of >> work and replacement. The tone arm, speaker and electronics look OK, >> but have not been powered up. Does anyone here know about where to >> purchase replacement parts and find written literature about restoring >> the #1015? Are there any books or web sites about restoring old juke >> boxes? >> >> Thanks...bob >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1724 - Release Date: > 10/14/2008 2:02 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Robert Elder Oceanographic Systems Laboratory Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Phone: 508-289-3231 Fax: 508-457-2104 relder@whoi.edu From chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Wed Oct 15 06:26:18 2008 From: chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk (Chris K. Tanner) Date: Wed Oct 15 06:27:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box References: <48F4D4C1.6050705@whoi.edu><3EB3A8BC9C054FECBD90D3CF79E939B9@acerc2d0f03b5f> <48F5DD43.6080401@whoi.edu> Message-ID: <24DF090CAF594ABFA5AEC8905A863422@acerc2d0f03b5f> Hi Bob, Depending on the condition of your jukebox, it is a matter of how far you need to go. There will be some parts that you will need to purchase such as the bubble tubes and the plastics. The metalwork attached to the jukebox may just be able to be polished to regain the lustre but re-plating may be necessary if the nickel plating is pitted. I think that your first job will be to assess what is missing, what needs replacing and what can be repaired. I approached my 1015 by first removing the mechanism from the cabinet for inspection. Cleaning off the old hardened grease was my starting point. Cabinet strip down was next which included the removal of the sound system components as well as the lighting arrangement for careful inspection and replacement of wires where necessary. It maybe a good idea to fins somebody who could refurbish the amplifier for you unless you have this expertise yourself. I haven't! Depending on the condition of the cabinet you may have to remove the original finish and re-apply lacquer or varnish. It is all food for thought but if you approach the project methodically and concentrate on one particular area and set milestones for completion you will make good progress. AS far as restoration books go, there are general restoration publications available but nothing specific for the 1015. There is a manual available from Victory Glass which would be useful. Let me know what you find and send me some pictures. By the way, where about in the world are you? Regards Chris T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Elder" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box > > Hi Chris, > Thanks for the offer. I would appreciate having someone to bounce ideas > off of. This juke box literally fell into my lap this week. I was not > in the market for a project like this even though I have always admired > old mechanical music machines. I pick it up tonight to put it n my > shop, to sit with my other un-finished projects. I travel a lot for my > job, so most of my projects get put on the back burner. > > I guess the first question it, are there any restoration books or guide > lines for this juke box with pictures, parts lists, and perhaps > suggestions of how to proceed that others have written? > > Once again, thanks...bob > > > > Chris K. Tanner wrote: >> Hi Bob, >> I am not an expert by any means but I have restored three 1015 and an >> 1100. I purchased the bubble tubes and plastics from Victory Glass. I >> don't mind being your restoration "buddy" on this if you wish. >> Regards Chris T >> chris@cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Elder" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:20 PM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box >> >> >>> >>> Greetings all, >>> I have just acquired an old Wurlitzer 1015 juke box. The mechanical >>> parts seem to be in good shape, but most of the rubber bushings and >>> shock mounts are rotted away. The case and plastic parts need lots of >>> work and replacement. The tone arm, speaker and electronics look OK, >>> but have not been powered up. Does anyone here know about where to >>> purchase replacement parts and find written literature about restoring >>> the #1015? Are there any books or web sites about restoring old juke >>> boxes? >>> >>> Thanks...bob >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1724 - Release Date: >> 10/14/2008 2:02 AM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > -- > Robert Elder > Oceanographic Systems Laboratory > Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution > Phone: 508-289-3231 > Fax: 508-457-2104 > relder@whoi.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1726 - Release Date: 10/15/2008 7:29 AM From pinball at telus.net Wed Oct 15 08:04:15 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Oct 15 08:05:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box In-Reply-To: <48F5DD43.6080401@whoi.edu> References: <48F4D4C1.6050705@whoi.edu> <3EB3A8BC9C054FECBD90D3CF79E939B9@acerc2d0f03b5f> <48F5DD43.6080401@whoi.edu> Message-ID: <48F6066F.30807@telus.net> Robert Elder wrote: > > Hi Chris, > Thanks for the offer. I would appreciate having someone to bounce > ideas off of. This juke box literally fell into my lap this week. I > was not in the market for a project like this even though I have > always admired old mechanical music machines. I pick it up tonight to > put it n my shop, to sit with my other un-finished projects. I travel > a lot for my job, so most of my projects get put on the back burner. > > I guess the first question it, are there any restoration books or > guide lines for this juke box with pictures, parts lists, and perhaps > suggestions of how to proceed that others have written? > > Once again, thanks...bob > > > > Chris K. Tanner wrote: >> Hi Bob, >> I am not an expert by any means but I have restored three 1015 and an >> 1100. I purchased the bubble tubes and plastics from Victory Glass. I >> don't mind being your restoration "buddy" on this if you wish. >> Regards Chris T >> chris@cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Elder" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:20 PM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box >> >> >>> >>> Greetings all, >>> I have just acquired an old Wurlitzer 1015 juke box. The mechanical >>> parts seem to be in good shape, but most of the rubber bushings and >>> shock mounts are rotted away. The case and plastic parts need lots of >>> work and replacement. The tone arm, speaker and electronics look OK, >>> but have not been powered up. Does anyone here know about where to >>> purchase replacement parts and find written literature about restoring >>> the #1015? Are there any books or web sites about restoring old >>> juke boxes? >>> >>> Thanks...bob >>> >>> > I can't think of any books specifically aimed at restoring older jukeboxes. The original 1015 manual is a good start as it shows the parts and functions of many of the electrical bits - so at least you can tell if anything is obviously missing! I've done ten or so 1015s since the mid 70s. For the cabinet, we strip it down to the bare wood and send it off to a trusted furniture refinisher to do a "French Polish" - do not clear coat this one! The french polish gives a great shine and depth to the finish that is hard to beat, yet can be stripped and replaced if needed in the future - clear coat (Eurathane(sp?) type finishes) are not recommended as they can not be stripped and I think they will reduce the value of the machine as an antique/old-timer. New casters... The light and heater 115VAC wiring is generally replaced as in many cases the original is brittle. If it is still in good condition, with insulation flexible and no bits breaking off then it might be OK to leave it original. If not sure ask an electrician to be safe. The ballasts often are replaced as the wire coming out the end is usually frayed or the insulation has failed right where it comes out of the metal case. The amplifier is recapped and resistors checked/replaced if off more than 10%. New power cord installed. The power box gets a new power cord - we put a three conductor one on for increased safety, and add ground lines to exposed metal. The mechanism is pulled out, cleaned and checked for bushing wear - the large shaft with the kidney cam should not shift in any direction if pushed sideways, if it does then a professional needs to rebuild the mechanism unless you have experience with rebushing small motors. That is the start - there is a lot more that happens, but this gives you an idea of what a jukebox restoration shop does. This does not include metal refinishing (nickle plate NOT chrome!), replacing plastics (if broken, cracked, etc.), mirror tiles, rear finish,.......... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Oct 15 09:00:21 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Oct 15 09:02:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions Message-ID: <20081015.120021.11528.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Hello Aaron: RE: Rock Ola Tempo spkr system The tech info I gave you earlier came from the 1961 model 1488/1495 " Regis" service manual. I've restored one of these recently. The Rock Ola promotional ad /product specs for the earlier Tempo models indicate they have the same sound system. The ad copy shows that the Tempo 1's (1959?) could be ordered with either a mono or stereo sound system. Mono models were equipped with a 1 channel amplifier that used 2 6CA7 power output tubes. The stereo amps used four # 6973 output tubes. I'm not sure when the mono-only models got phased out. All the machines had an internal speaker system that used 2 12" full range speakers and a high frequency horn. In the mono machines this speaker system was routed through a typical fader system to allow the operator to balance a combination of the internal & external speakers. In the stereo models, the same spkr complement is there, wired mono as part of a 2 channel sound system. The fader system is different. Rock Ola also offered another variation of their jukeboxes around this time that had a reverb effects unit in them. As far as I remember, these units were called "vibrasonic" and came equipped with a Hammond organ reverb spring unit, and an outboard electronics chassis to support it's operation. These jukes came with special dome decals. I don't think these were very popular. In the early 60's, I worked as a part-time tech for a family-owned vending business that had a large jukebox route in Michigan. The business preferred mostly Wurlitzer models, but had a few Seeburg and Rock Ola machines,usually when a restaurant or bar owner wanted one. Some folks (like my boss) thought that stereo would be a passing fad and was reluctant to buy the early stereo jukeboxes. The only early stereo recordings being offered were the 7" mini-albums, which weren't too popular at the time. The 45 rpm singles,which got the most play, were pressed in mono only. This attitude would change by 1963-64. The jukebox distributors offered products in both mono and stereo models, where the stereo versions cost more. If I recall, Seeburg was different and offered their stereo and mono models at nearly the same price and treated vendor orders for mono machines as special orders. This is when the AY and DS were current models. Maybe that's why there are fewer mono Seeburgs. Hope this answers your question, contact me if you need more info. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to save cash and find low rates on auto loans. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uZMbvYsSB7lTN4S1SZYT8VwbdXe2D2NlY23jN5GSI5r2cyi/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 13:22:31 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Oct 15 13:23:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box In-Reply-To: <48F54D45.5050006@whoi.edu> Message-ID: <336466.68964.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Robert Elder wrote: > Thanks for the info. I will check out this website ASAP. Does Jukebox Junction have a web site? I couldn't find it with google. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Oct 15 13:35:17 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Oct 15 13:37:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box Message-ID: <20081015.163517.10886.1@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I'm under the impression that Ed Jones of Jukebox Junction is in the process of shutting down the business. He has been liquidating inventory on E Bay on occasion at "fire sale" prices. The most recent phone number I have for them is 515 981 4019 Fax is 513-981 0245 in Cumming, Iowa. No website. No email. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find Medical Transcription Training programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uAmTFgAL80opGN4ZT1k8w9WycNmjylAQ0HvSi3cN53U1VTo/ From jeffzurn at cox.net Wed Oct 15 14:20:18 2008 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (jeffzurn@cox.net) Date: Wed Oct 15 14:21:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Junction Message-ID: <20081015172018.89TK4.895251.imail@fed1rmwml28> Ed Jones was my first contact in the jukebox restoration 'hobby' when, as a 14 year old, I wrote to Wurlitzer to get more information about the Wurlitzer 1015 my parents had in their basement... Wurlitzer responded with information about Ed and Jukebox Junction... Another letter to Ed resulted in my first ever jukebox related catalog! I still have it!! I visited Ed (and Jukebox Junction) in Cummings, IA a few years after that. It was a memorable visit as he was in the process of restoring a W580 speaker (the Peacock companion). I also visited Victory Glass on that trip to Iowa - when they were still in Steve's basement!! Ed did used to have a 'minimalist' website out there - just informational, as I remember it. btw... I still have that W1015. Best investment my Mom ever made... $12.50 in 1963 (maybe not a 'financial', but definitely a 'passionate' return on her money) Jeff Zurn Arizona Jukebox Comany From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Wed Oct 15 15:15:26 2008 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Wed Oct 15 15:17:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box References: <336466.68964.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6A9AD25D494B44138BB8D71B102F9CF5@DFLXW121> http://www.jukeboxjunctioninc.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Robert Elder wrote: > > >> Thanks for the info. I will check out this website ASAP. > > Does Jukebox Junction have a web site? I couldn't find > it with google. > From pinball at telus.net Wed Oct 15 15:26:53 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Oct 15 15:27:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box In-Reply-To: <6A9AD25D494B44138BB8D71B102F9CF5@DFLXW121> References: <336466.68964.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6A9AD25D494B44138BB8D71B102F9CF5@DFLXW121> Message-ID: <48F66E2D.3000403@telus.net> Called the number on that web site: 'We will be out until the second week of December' John :-#(# Jon Scaptura wrote: > > http://www.jukeboxjunctioninc.com/ > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box > > >> --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Robert Elder wrote: >> >> >>> Thanks for the info. I will check out this website ASAP. >> >> Does Jukebox Junction have a web site? I couldn't find >> it with google. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From drjukebox at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 16:06:36 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Wed Oct 15 16:07:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box In-Reply-To: <48F66E2D.3000403@telus.net> References: <336466.68964.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6A9AD25D494B44138BB8D71B102F9CF5@DFLXW121> <48F66E2D.3000403@telus.net> Message-ID: <3154d3690810151606g67666dc3i57bd6b63ccf23ca5@mail.gmail.com> I was picked up by Rick Botts at DesMoines airport back in March, 1986, and he took me to see Ed and Steve.There was a rivalry between the two, which worked as a driving force for them I believe. Ed was the meticulous restorer who also made beautiful repros for his restorations. Steve quit restoring and focused on parts, and eventually he had built that huge catalogue of repros. I guess Ed is slowing down. Jens On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:26 AM, John Robertson wrote: > Called the number on that web site: > > 'We will be out until the second week of December' > > John :-#(# > > > Jon Scaptura wrote: > >> >> http://www.jukeboxjunctioninc.com/ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" < >> david_breneman@yahoo.com> >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box >> >> >> --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Robert Elder wrote: >>> >>> >>> Thanks for the info. I will check out this website ASAP. >>>> >>> >>> Does Jukebox Junction have a web site? I couldn't find >>> it with google. >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call > (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From relder at whoi.edu Wed Oct 15 19:11:34 2008 From: relder at whoi.edu (Robert Elder) Date: Wed Oct 15 19:12:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] restoring a 1015 Message-ID: <48F6A2D6.8060608@whoi.edu> Greetings John and Chris, and Jim: You all have given me some good info..a good place to start. I am surprised that with all the restoration work people have done, there isn't a generic book on restoring old juke boxes. I have a player piano made in 1908 and had no problem finding books on restoring it. I haven't done it, but I do have the book. Info on wood work and the nickel plating and electrical work are great. My biggest problem might be dealing with this email list. I am getting over whelmed with email about issues other than email related to my original post. Is there a way to put in a filter? BTW, Chris, I live in New England, USA. I noticed your address is in the UK. Thanks...bob From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 20:00:51 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Oct 15 20:01:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box In-Reply-To: <6A9AD25D494B44138BB8D71B102F9CF5@DFLXW121> Message-ID: <864615.66358.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Jon Scaptura wrote: > http://www.jukeboxjunctioninc.com/ Wow, what's with all that blinking text?! Makes it pretty hard to read. I'll try to pick my way through it this weekend. Thanks! From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Oct 15 21:00:56 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Oct 15 21:03:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] restoring a 1015 Message-ID: <20081016.000056.19690.2@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> There are some enterprising individuals who have published "how to" books and videos covering jukebox restoration. The products I've seen are specific to 50's Seeburg and Rock Ola machines only. I've not aware of any publication regarding a W1015 restoration. There could be some others I'm not aware of. The best places to find listings, ads, etc for these publications are in the jukebox periodicals (Always Jukin', Jukebox Collector, Game room,etc) or go to Victory Glass' website. www.victoryglass.com Another website that discusses classic jukeboxes with a lot of helpful hints and links is www.pinballrebel.com. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Stuck in a dead end job?? Click to start living your dreams by earning an online degree. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uI3trfRunXcv4x9NFMKpDlCTCv4dvbfIM7v8JNrtsyldxZU/ From chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Thu Oct 16 00:56:30 2008 From: chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk (Chris K. Tanner) Date: Thu Oct 16 00:57:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] restoring a 1015 References: <48F6A2D6.8060608@whoi.edu> Message-ID: Bob, Victory Glass do produce a booklet called "Jukebox Restoration" with tips taken from Jukebox collectors newsletter and the Victory Glass newsletter. There are a couple of pages which refer directly to the 1015. There are no magical techniques within these pages but it is interesting. Chris T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Elder" To: Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 3:11 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] restoring a 1015 > > Greetings John and Chris, and Jim: > > You all have given me some good info..a good place to start. I am > surprised that with all the restoration work people have done, there > isn't a generic book on restoring old juke boxes. I have a player piano > made in 1908 and had no problem finding books on restoring it. I > haven't done it, but I do have the book. > > Info on wood work and the nickel plating and electrical work are great. > > My biggest problem might be dealing with this email list. I am getting > over whelmed with email about issues other than email related to my > original post. Is there a way to put in a filter? > > BTW, Chris, I live in New England, USA. I noticed your address is in > the UK. > > Thanks...bob > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1726 - Release Date: 10/15/2008 7:29 AM From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Oct 16 05:32:48 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Thu Oct 16 05:34:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Junction References: <864615.66358.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <039C3DFCA2C4457498F7E8D64911938F@home1903> I was wondering if anyone knew the email for Ed? I checked his website and don't see anything. Perhaps he perfers speaking directly, which is fine also, however it would be easier to shoot him an email! Thanks, Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box > > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Jon Scaptura wrote: > >> http://www.jukeboxjunctioninc.com/ > > Wow, what's with all that blinking text?! Makes it pretty hard > to read. I'll try to pick my way through it this weekend. Thanks! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Oct 16 05:38:50 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Thu Oct 16 05:40:09 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rebuilding your collection? References: <336466.68964.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6A9AD25D494B44138BB8D71B102F9CF5@DFLXW121> <48F66E2D.3000403@telus.net> <3154d3690810151606g67666dc3i57bd6b63ccf23ca5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jens! It's almost "Turkey Time" in the USA...lol I was wondering if you have been picking up machines to rebuild your collection after your terrible loss? Seems that now would be the time to buy in the US with our economy in such a mess. Your loss will always be remembered. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Hultgren" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box >I was picked up by Rick Botts at DesMoines airport back in March, 1986, and > he took me to see Ed and Steve.There was a rivalry between the two, which > worked as a driving force for them I believe. Ed was the meticulous > restorer > who also made beautiful repros for his restorations. Steve quit restoring > and focused on parts, and eventually he had built that huge catalogue of > repros. > > I guess Ed is slowing down. > > Jens > > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:26 AM, John Robertson > wrote: > >> Called the number on that web site: >> >> 'We will be out until the second week of December' >> >> John :-#(# >> >> >> Jon Scaptura wrote: >> >>> >>> http://www.jukeboxjunctioninc.com/ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" < >>> david_breneman@yahoo.com> >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box >>> >>> >>> --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Robert Elder wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for the info. I will check out this website ASAP. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Does Jukebox Junction have a web site? I couldn't find >>>> it with google. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >> >> -- >> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call >> (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >> www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip >> out" >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From aaron at vertasource.com Thu Oct 16 05:49:27 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Thu Oct 16 05:46:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Junction Message-ID: <200810160849401.SM00684@[192.168.1.206]> Ed and Kim had always told me that they never bothered with email to conduct business. I tried on a few occasions to email some pictures to Kim for one reason or another and she told me that she had no email address. They might have for personal use only...but an email address associated with Jukebox Junction... I don't think there ever was one. But don't quote me on it. Gosh...all this talk about J.J. really brought back some great memories of hanging out with them in Chicago. Believe me the talk was NOT all about jukeboxes. In fact, Ed and Kim are one of the biggest reasons why I miss going to the shows. Does anyone know what their seller ID was on eBay? Are they still listing items? Aaron -----Original Message----- From: etreble7 etreble7@verizon.net Sent 10/16/2008 8:32:48 AM To: david_breneman@yahoo.com, Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Junction I was wondering if anyone knew the email for Ed? I checked his website and don't see anything. Perhaps he perfers speaking directly, which is fine also, however it would be easier to shoot him an email! Thanks, Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" david_breneman@yahoo.com To: "Jukebox mailing list" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Jon Scaptura jscaptura@stny.rr.com wrote: http://www.jukeboxjunctioninc.com/ Wow, what's with all that blinking text?! Makes it pretty hard to read. I'll try to pick my way through it this weekend. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 07:17:13 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Thu Oct 16 07:18:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Junction In-Reply-To: <200810160849401.SM00684@192.168.1.206> References: <200810160849401.SM00684@192.168.1.206> Message-ID: <3154d3690810160717k1e74a1dew91e879009b0f4726@mail.gmail.com> http://myworld.ebay.com/ebaymotors/jukeboxjunctioninc/ On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Aaron Heverin wrote: > Ed and Kim had always told me that they never bothered with email to > conduct business. I tried on a few occasions to email some pictures to Kim > for one reason or another and she told me that she had no email address. > They might have for personal use only...but an email address associated with > Jukebox Junction... I don't think there ever was one. But don't quote me on > it. Gosh...all this talk about J.J. really brought back some great memories > of hanging out with them in Chicago. Believe me the talk was NOT all about > jukeboxes. In fact, Ed and Kim are one of the biggest reasons why I miss > going to the shows. > > Does anyone know what their seller ID was on eBay? Are they still listing > items? > > Aaron > > > -----Original Message----- > From: etreble7 etreble7@verizon.net > Sent 10/16/2008 8:32:48 AM > To: david_breneman@yahoo.com, Jukebox mailing list > jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Junction > > I was wondering if anyone knew the email for Ed? I checked his website and > don't see anything. Perhaps he perfers speaking directly, which is fine > also, however it would be easier to shoot him an email! Thanks, > Jackie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Breneman" david_breneman@yahoo.com > To: "Jukebox mailing list" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box > > > > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Jon Scaptura jscaptura@stny.rr.com wrote: > > http://www.jukeboxjunctioninc.com/ > > Wow, what's with all that blinking text?! Makes it pretty hard > to read. I'll try to pick my way through it this weekend. Thanks! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From pinball at telus.net Thu Oct 16 09:49:47 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Oct 16 09:50:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Junction In-Reply-To: <039C3DFCA2C4457498F7E8D64911938F@home1903> References: <864615.66358.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <039C3DFCA2C4457498F7E8D64911938F@home1903> Message-ID: <48F770AB.6060308@telus.net> etreble7 wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone knew the email for Ed? I checked his > website and don't see anything. Perhaps he perfers speaking directly, > which is fine also, however it would be easier to shoot him an email! > Thanks, > Jackie > Hi Jackie, His phone number is on the web site - avoid the blinking text and it is on the bottom of the home page...however I called yesterday and got the message that they were closed/busy until December. John :-#)# > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box > > >> >> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Jon Scaptura wrote: >> >>> http://www.jukeboxjunctioninc.com/ >> >> Wow, what's with all that blinking text?! Makes it pretty hard >> to read. I'll try to pick my way through it this weekend. Thanks! >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From drjukebox at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 10:47:42 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Thu Oct 16 10:48:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rebuilding your collection? In-Reply-To: References: <336466.68964.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6A9AD25D494B44138BB8D71B102F9CF5@DFLXW121> <48F66E2D.3000403@telus.net> <3154d3690810151606g67666dc3i57bd6b63ccf23ca5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690810161047s3cb8c076wf5e9f24a3caae8f8@mail.gmail.com> Jackie! Is it today? We miss it already! Ed Jones would never reproduce the glass for a 1650 but he may have an original, or know where to find one. I wish you success with all your endeavours and maybe we'll see you next year, huh? ;o) Don't forget to give my regards to Tad- Happy Thanksgiving! best, Jens On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:38 PM, etreble7 wrote: > Hi Jens! > It's almost "Turkey Time" in the USA...lol > I was wondering if you have been picking up machines to rebuild your > collection after your terrible loss? Seems that now would be the time to > buy in the US with our economy in such a mess. Your loss will always be > remembered. > Jackie > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Hultgren" > To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" < > jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box > > > I was picked up by Rick Botts at DesMoines airport back in March, 1986, >> and >> he took me to see Ed and Steve.There was a rivalry between the two, which >> worked as a driving force for them I believe. Ed was the meticulous >> restorer >> who also made beautiful repros for his restorations. Steve quit restoring >> and focused on parts, and eventually he had built that huge catalogue of >> repros. >> >> I guess Ed is slowing down. >> >> Jens >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:26 AM, John Robertson >> wrote: >> >> Called the number on that web site: >>> >>> 'We will be out until the second week of December' >>> >>> John :-#(# >>> >>> >>> Jon Scaptura wrote: >>> >>> >>>> http://www.jukeboxjunctioninc.com/ >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" < >>>> david_breneman@yahoo.com> >>>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:22 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Robert Elder wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the info. I will check out this website ASAP. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Does Jukebox Junction have a web site? I couldn't find >>>>> it with google. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call >>> (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >>> www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip >>> out" >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From rudymart at charter.net Thu Oct 16 10:21:35 2008 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Thu Oct 16 10:56:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] fuses Message-ID: <08B8923555184DE69925FC10B3C47284@luluPC> thanks to everyone for your help. i will be using the mdl 8/10 amp fuse. rudy From Homer87015 at aol.com Thu Oct 16 10:53:24 2008 From: Homer87015 at aol.com (Homer87015@aol.com) Date: Thu Oct 16 11:00:47 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Schematic for a Beam-Echo amp. in a Bal-Ami G80 Message-ID: Hello from the UK. I`m trying desperately to find the schematic in the title. I`m seduced by the valve amp sound !. I`ve already got a Model E 80 which has an original Leak TL/10 amp and a massive Goodmans Audiom speaker. The G80 is undergoing restoration, I could run it with a transistor amp but now I`ve got a Beam-Echo for it, I`d rather use that. I found some useful info. on the connections for the speakers here, thanks for that.Best Wishes, Nigel. From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Oct 16 10:36:40 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Thu Oct 16 11:39:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Junction References: <864615.66358.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <039C3DFCA2C4457498F7E8D64911938F@home1903> <48F770AB.6060308@telus.net> Message-ID: <68A414298AEC441EA761057EA6DE8DBE@home1903> Thanks John! I want that kinda job, LOL Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Junction > etreble7 wrote: >> >> I was wondering if anyone knew the email for Ed? I checked his >> website and don't see anything. Perhaps he perfers speaking directly, >> which is fine also, however it would be easier to shoot him an email! >> Thanks, >> Jackie >> > > Hi Jackie, > > His phone number is on the web site - avoid the blinking text and it is > on the bottom of the home page...however I called yesterday and got the > message that they were closed/busy until December. > > John :-#)# >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" >> >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box >> >> >>> >>> --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Jon Scaptura wrote: >>> >>>> http://www.jukeboxjunctioninc.com/ >>> >>> Wow, what's with all that blinking text?! Makes it pretty hard >>> to read. I'll try to pick my way through it this weekend. Thanks! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Oct 16 12:01:13 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Thu Oct 16 12:02:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rebuilding your collection? References: <336466.68964.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6A9AD25D494B44138BB8D71B102F9CF5@DFLXW121> <48F66E2D.3000403@telus.net> <3154d3690810151606g67666dc3i57bd6b63ccf23ca5@mail.gmail.com> <3154d3690810161047s3cb8c076wf5e9f24a3caae8f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jens, no...Thanksgiving is the Last Thursday in the Month of November......you still have time to get the family on a plane or boat! Yea, I figured Ed didn't reproduce the 1650 Domes but maybe he would know a source that I haven't tried yet. I will just keep looking. He may also know of a Trashcan Dome and Animation Unit laying around....ya never know! If I can save enough, I will order the Dome from your side of the pond. We think of you often and hope your family is well, take care and come again, Jackie & Tad ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Hultgren" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rebuilding your collection? > Jackie! > Is it today? We miss it already! > > Ed Jones would never reproduce the glass for a 1650 but he may have an > original, or know where to find one. > > I wish you success with all your endeavours and maybe we'll see you next > year, huh? ;o) > > Don't forget to give my regards to Tad- > > Happy Thanksgiving! > > best, Jens > > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:38 PM, etreble7 wrote: > >> Hi Jens! >> It's almost "Turkey Time" in the USA...lol >> I was wondering if you have been picking up machines to rebuild your >> collection after your terrible loss? Seems that now would be the time to >> buy in the US with our economy in such a mess. Your loss will always be >> remembered. >> Jackie >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Hultgren" >> To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" < >> jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box >> >> >> I was picked up by Rick Botts at DesMoines airport back in March, 1986, >>> and >>> he took me to see Ed and Steve.There was a rivalry between the two, >>> which >>> worked as a driving force for them I believe. Ed was the meticulous >>> restorer >>> who also made beautiful repros for his restorations. Steve quit >>> restoring >>> and focused on parts, and eventually he had built that huge catalogue of >>> repros. >>> >>> I guess Ed is slowing down. >>> >>> Jens >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:26 AM, John Robertson >>> wrote: >>> >>> Called the number on that web site: >>>> >>>> 'We will be out until the second week of December' >>>> >>>> John :-#(# >>>> >>>> >>>> Jon Scaptura wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.jukeboxjunctioninc.com/ >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" < >>>>> david_breneman@yahoo.com> >>>>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:22 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "new" old wurlitzer # 1015 juke box >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Robert Elder wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the info. I will check out this website ASAP. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Does Jukebox Junction have a web site? I couldn't find >>>>>> it with google. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call >>>> (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >>>> www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just >>>> flip >>>> out" >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Oct 16 12:48:54 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Oct 16 12:51:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] fuses Message-ID: <20081016.154854.19849.1@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> I hope that you find someone that can help you troubleshoot the problems with your 2400 jukebox. You shouldn't have to keep "feeding" it fuses. The 8/10 amp circuit is most likely for the selector coils or credit accumulator (playrack) Take care not to over rate the fuse installed here. It is possible to burn out selector coils, which are expensive and difficult to repair. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on discount teaching degrees programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4ueZ1uU3OIAE4JFK9mSHmmBCUxaEXb2fx27WeNdVq0pJN7bQ/ From dtcooke at charter.net Tue Oct 14 14:40:30 2008 From: dtcooke at charter.net (David Cooke) Date: Thu Oct 16 12:56:20 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola logic board IC MM5799NAX Message-ID: <7736EBFE870F41698B213C81413F77EA@gateway4zxteod> I'm looking for a Rockola 481 logic board chip MM5799NAX any help would be very appreciated. Thanks, David From gsgrimes at comcast.net Wed Oct 15 11:10:51 2008 From: gsgrimes at comcast.net (gsgrimes@comcast.net) Date: Thu Oct 16 12:56:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: seeburg troubleshooting link Message-ID: Hello - I have a 1952 M100C that plays perfectly except that the cancel solenoids are either not firing or are out of alignment. I recently purchased the machine and it is in pretty much it's original condition. All worked, fine, then it quit cancelling on the odd numbers, not all numbers. I'm thinking it's alignment, but need advice. The manual I bought on E-bay doesn't tell me how to check the solenoids. Any advice? Grant Grimes From ct1 at cell-tel.com Wed Oct 15 13:16:01 2008 From: ct1 at cell-tel.com (Elizabeth Wilson) Date: Thu Oct 16 12:56:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] FW: Seeburg Help! Message-ID: _____ From: Elizabeth Wilson [mailto:ct1@cell-tel.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:10 PM To: 'jukebox-list@list.netlojix.com' Subject: Seeburg Help! I was referred to you by Nick at Columbus Coin Op in Columbus, Ga. I am looking for a little guidance as I need to find a few parts to rebuild a Seeburg SHFA-2 Amplifier. Regards, Elizabeth Elizabeth A. Wilson (President) Cell-Tel International Services, LLC Phone: 904-363-1111 Fax: 904-363-0032 From bankshot211 at charter.net Wed Oct 15 18:07:14 2008 From: bankshot211 at charter.net (Mary Lachelt) Date: Thu Oct 16 12:56:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] repair in WI Message-ID: <4EC31257A38B498D9F2DC2B58CAD62E5@bankshotPC> I have 1978 Seeburg STD-4 Mardi Gras. I live near Green Bay Wi. Do you know any repair techs in this area? Any info appreciated - thanks. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10910e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ From ccos at knology.net Thu Oct 16 13:05:50 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Thu Oct 16 13:07:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] FW: Seeburg Help! References: Message-ID: <7547FFD68720462CA4E44DD4B3C72F57@home31b34d4856> Elizabeth, Glad to see you made it ! It's Karl by the way ....hehehe. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Wilson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] FW: Seeburg Help! > > > > > _____ > > From: Elizabeth Wilson [mailto:ct1@cell-tel.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:10 PM > To: 'jukebox-list@list.netlojix.com' > Subject: Seeburg Help! > > > > I was referred to you by Nick at Columbus Coin Op in Columbus, Ga. I am > looking for a little guidance as I need to find a few parts to rebuild a > Seeburg SHFA-2 Amplifier. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Elizabeth > > > > Elizabeth A. Wilson (President) > > Cell-Tel International Services, LLC > > > > Phone: 904-363-1111 > > Fax: 904-363-0032 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Thu Oct 16 13:12:02 2008 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Thu Oct 16 13:19:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Schematic for a Beam-Echo amp. in a Bal-Ami G80 Message-ID: <897395.97248.qm@web86704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I've emailed you a copy - watch your spam filter doesn't get it. Norman. ----- Original Message ---- From: "Homer87015@aol.com" To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Thursday, 16 October, 2008 6:53:24 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Schematic for a Beam-Echo amp. in a Bal-Ami G80 Hello from the UK. I`m trying desperately to find the schematic in the title. I`m seduced by the valve amp sound !. I`ve already got a Model E 80 which has an original Leak TL/10 amp and a massive Goodmans Audiom speaker. The G80 is undergoing restoration, I could run it with a transistor amp but now I`ve got a Beam-Echo for it, I`d rather use that. I found some useful info. on the connections for the speakers here, thanks for that.Best Wishes, Nigel. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tcccjc at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 16 14:16:16 2008 From: tcccjc at sbcglobal.net (Anthony Clayton) Date: Thu Oct 16 14:24:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] repair in WI In-Reply-To: <4EC31257A38B498D9F2DC2B58CAD62E5@bankshotPC> Message-ID: <504235.79691.qm@web83803.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> What is the problem that you are having with this unit, I something about a few seeburg I live in Wisconsin myself. --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Mary Lachelt wrote: From: Mary Lachelt Subject: [Jukebox-list] repair in WI To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 8:07 PM I have 1978 Seeburg STD-4 Mardi Gras. I live near Green Bay Wi. Do you know any repair techs in this area? Any info appreciated - thanks. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10910e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 15:42:31 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Oct 16 15:43:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] FW: Seeburg Help! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <595460.65976.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Which parts ? --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Elizabeth Wilson wrote: From: Elizabeth Wilson Subject: [Jukebox-list] FW: Seeburg Help! To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 1:16 PM _____ From: Elizabeth Wilson [mailto:ct1@cell-tel.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:10 PM To: 'jukebox-list@list.netlojix.com' Subject: Seeburg Help! I was referred to you by Nick at Columbus Coin Op in Columbus, Ga. I am looking for a little guidance as I need to find a few parts to rebuild a Seeburg SHFA-2 Amplifier. Regards, Elizabeth Elizabeth A. Wilson (President) Cell-Tel International Services, LLC Phone: 904-363-1111 Fax: 904-363-0032 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Oct 16 16:03:04 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Thu Oct 16 16:04:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: seeburg troubleshooting link References: Message-ID: <3C0D3626EFC647038FBE059C9A627E05@home1903> Hi Grant, I have the same Jukebox and my B-side Cancel Plunger is also sticking. I know my B-side Plunger needs to be cleaned and should also be dry...NO OIL of any kind. Per Ron Rich.....Pull out your Mech a bit and get a paper clip, open it up and bend it so it fits into the small hole in the B side plunger....this will take some practice to reach in there. Once you get the end of the paper clip in the tiny opening, push it back and forth to free up the plunger. You may have to do this many times before it is freed up enough to cancel everytime. I just left my door off for a couple days so when it would stick, I had it ready to pull out and try again! Hope this helps, if I missed anything I am sure someone will chime in! Good Luck, Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:10 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: seeburg troubleshooting link > Hello - I have a 1952 M100C that plays perfectly except that the cancel > solenoids are either not firing or are out of alignment. I recently > purchased the machine and it is in pretty much it's original condition. > All > worked, fine, then it quit cancelling on the odd numbers, not all numbers. > I'm thinking it's alignment, but need advice. The manual I bought on > E-bay > doesn't tell me how to check the solenoids. Any advice? > > > > Grant Grimes > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From lavin at cheqnet.net Thu Oct 16 16:18:58 2008 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Thu Oct 16 16:20:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 Pre-Amp Message-ID: <17B719087EE144BFA5CC619F213AFBD7@dennis38rxl3bv> Hello- after a little "time out" from my juke's, Iam getting back to my wurlitzer 3600 project. Some of you may remember I was fighting some amp issues this spring.. Just latley I happened to pick up a NOS pre amp for a 550 amp. Anyone here know if it is the same electrically as the 553 pre amp board ? Dont have a schematic for a 550. I want to try it in my 3600 with the 553 amp to try to eliminate some low volume distorsion issues I have with it. Thanks, Dennis (jukeboxdenny) From joe400f at shaw.ca Thu Oct 16 16:26:16 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Thu Oct 16 16:27:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: seeburg troubleshooting link References: Message-ID: <002401c92fe6$9682ae20$939f4f18@compaq> Was it recently transported? Was it prepared correctly to transport? Check your manual for " contact block adjustment and alignment " Check the contact block alignment. Do you hear a scratch sound when the mech moves all the way to the left ( standing in front ) ? This would be an indication of the contact block being out of its spring loaded holder and hitting the mechanism frame as it travels left. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 1:10 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: seeburg troubleshooting link > Hello - I have a 1952 M100C that plays perfectly except that the cancel > solenoids are either not firing or are out of alignment. I recently > purchased the machine and it is in pretty much it's original condition. > All > worked, fine, then it quit cancelling on the odd numbers, not all numbers. > I'm thinking it's alignment, but need advice. The manual I bought on > E-bay > doesn't tell me how to check the solenoids. Any advice? > > > > Grant Grimes > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Thu Oct 16 19:27:28 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Thu Oct 16 19:28:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] repair in WI In-Reply-To: <4EC31257A38B498D9F2DC2B58CAD62E5@bankshotPC> References: <4EC31257A38B498D9F2DC2B58CAD62E5@bankshotPC> Message-ID: <20081017022649.M655@dwave.net> Hi Mary, I live near Wausau, WI and would be glad to help you out. Note like many on this list I am a juke box enthusiast (not a professional repair person). Feel free to email me here or off the list Thanks Jeremy Agema On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:07:14 -0500, Mary Lachelt wrote > I have 1978 Seeburg STD-4 Mardi Gras. I live near Green Bay Wi. Do > you know any repair techs in this area? Any info appreciated - thanks. > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) > Database version: 5.10910e > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Thu Oct 16 19:30:51 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Thu Oct 16 19:32:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] repair in WI In-Reply-To: <504235.79691.qm@web83803.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <4EC31257A38B498D9F2DC2B58CAD62E5@bankshotPC> <504235.79691.qm@web83803.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081017022734.M66520@dwave.net> Hi Anthony, I am happy to find fellow jukebox friends in my state. Where abouts are you located in WI? I am near Wausau. Thanks Jeremy Agema On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:16:16 -0700 (PDT), Anthony Clayton wrote > What is the problem that you are having with this unit, I something > about a few seeburg I live in Wisconsin myself. > > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Mary Lachelt wrote: > > From: Mary Lachelt > Subject: [Jukebox-list] repair in WI > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 8:07 PM > > I have 1978 Seeburg STD-4 Mardi Gras. I live near Green Bay Wi. Do > you know any repair techs in this area? Any info appreciated - thanks. > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) > Database version: 5.10910e > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tcccjc at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 16 19:34:54 2008 From: tcccjc at sbcglobal.net (Anthony Clayton) Date: Thu Oct 16 19:35:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] repair in WI In-Reply-To: <20081017022734.M66520@dwave.net> Message-ID: <341223.7098.qm@web83812.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> ?I am near milton --- On Thu, 10/16/08, Jeremy Agema wrote: From: Jeremy Agema Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] repair in WI To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 9:30 PM Hi Anthony, I am happy to find fellow jukebox friends in my state. Where abouts are you located in WI? I am near Wausau. Thanks Jeremy Agema On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:16:16 -0700 (PDT), Anthony Clayton wrote > What is the problem that you are having with this unit, I something > about a few seeburg I live in Wisconsin myself. > > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Mary Lachelt wrote: > > From: Mary Lachelt > Subject: [Jukebox-list] repair in WI > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 8:07 PM > > I have 1978 Seeburg STD-4 Mardi Gras. I live near Green Bay Wi. Do > you know any repair techs in this area? Any info appreciated - thanks. > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) > Database version: 5.10910e > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From aaron at vertasource.com Fri Oct 17 07:30:43 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Fri Oct 17 07:28:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 mech shroud/cover Message-ID: <200810171030871.SM04784@[192.168.1.206]> I could have sworn this came up on the list many moons ago, but does anyone know who is reproducing the mech shroud/cover for a Rock-Ola Tempo 1? I know it was one of our friends from across the pond, but I can't remember who. Pretty sure no one in the States is carrying these, correct? Brought the 1475 home last night. What fun. I tried to restore the entire thing last night but had to quit when I pretty much fell asleep at one of my workbenches and a soldering iron came this close to my head as it was on its way down to the bench. Aaron From Central.electrical at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 17 10:29:47 2008 From: Central.electrical at ntlworld.com (Neil Makin @ Central Electrical Limited) Date: Fri Oct 17 10:41:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 mech shroud/cover In-Reply-To: <200810171030871.SM04784@[192.168.1.206]> References: <200810171030871.SM04784@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <002301c9307d$f4ce0f00$de6a2d00$@electrical@ntlworld.com> Hi try, Oliver at stamann@jukebox-world.de he the only one I can think of this side of the pond. He is very helpful and his repro stuff is second to none. Many thanks and good luck Neil Makin -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Heverin Sent: 17 October 2008 15:31 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 mech shroud/cover I could have sworn this came up on the list many moons ago, but does anyone know who is reproducing the mech shroud/cover for a Rock-Ola Tempo 1? I know it was one of our friends from across the pond, but I can't remember who. Pretty sure no one in the States is carrying these, correct? Brought the 1475 home last night. What fun. I tried to restore the entire thing last night but had to quit when I pretty much fell asleep at one of my workbenches and a soldering iron came this close to my head as it was on its way down to the bench. Aaron From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Oct 17 15:30:52 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Oct 17 15:33:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] FW: Seeburg Help! Message-ID: <20081017.183052.24395.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Hello Elizabeth: What parts are you looking for? I have a small jukebox repair/restoration business in suburban Atlanta, Ga. I have some original Seeburg transformers, relays, modules, etc. Like most others in this game, I have a small warehouse full of "parts donor" machines to support repairs. Most of the other electronic parts are universally available. If I don't have what you need, I'll try to point you to someone who does. Hope this helps JIm Alexander , Coin Computers ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s80aYcuWtmi5anKyPFvUpogzxMinRnhgH8A8F7x1HlDiIbk/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Oct 17 15:52:31 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Oct 17 15:55:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 mech shroud/cover Message-ID: <20081017.185231.24395.2@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Hello Aaron: Don't hurt yourself. It's tough enough out there already. A jukebox parts distributor that I'm aware of in the U.K. that has some replacement parts is: The Jukebox Man PH (011) 44 1522 58 5500 FAX (o11) 44 1522 56 0167 web: www.thejukeboxman.com email: jukeboxman@bigfoot.com A few years back, Victory Glass made a deal to buy all of the RockOla Co.'s remaining vintage parts stock. It's a big inventory,much of which is listed online. Victory Glass (ask for Steve or Denny) PH 515 987 5765 FAX 515 987 5762 web: www.victoryglass.com email:vicglass@ix.netcom.com JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Looking for business phone systems? Click here to reduce your phone bills by up to 50%. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vdHtZXl2Z1k4ymUMBhYo0fK3cedKol6i234rr4F2CqORWKy/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Oct 17 16:03:07 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Oct 17 16:05:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: tech help w/ Rock Ola 1448 select sys Message-ID: <20081017.190307.24395.3@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Hello: I'm trying to service a (1955?) Rock Ola 1448 juke for someone that shows some really bizarre-O symptoms when trying to write in selections. Anyone on the list familiar with this machine? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s80aHOVbal5TDnXt3UzZNep4IkI6QkTlKZG03BZHcUZJIEu/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 16:07:35 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Oct 17 16:08:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 mech shroud/cover In-Reply-To: <200810171030871.SM04784@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <727676.17355.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Aaron, If anyone has it, it will be Stamann--see "CC" above. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 mech shroud/cover To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 7:30 AM I could have sworn this came up on the list many moons ago, but does anyone know who is reproducing the mech shroud/cover for a Rock-Ola Tempo 1? I know it was one of our friends from across the pond, but I can't remember who. Pretty sure no one in the States is carrying these, correct? Brought the 1475 home last night. What fun. I tried to restore the entire thing last night but had to quit when I pretty much fell asleep at one of my workbenches and a soldering iron came this close to my head as it was on its way down to the bench. Aaron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Oct 17 16:08:25 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Oct 17 16:09:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: tech help w/ Rock Ola 1448 select sys In-Reply-To: <20081017.190307.24395.3@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <840237.80079.qm@web54606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hmmmmm never worked on one of those but I have worked on a 1438 Comet. --- On Fri, 10/17/08, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: tech help w/ Rock Ola 1448 select sys To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Friday, October 17, 2008, 7:03 PM Hello: I'm trying to service a (1955?) Rock Ola 1448 juke for someone that shows some really bizarre-O symptoms when trying to write in selections. Anyone on the list familiar with this machine? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s80aHOVbal5TDnXt3UzZNep4IkI6QkTlKZG03BZHcUZJIEu/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Oct 17 19:04:00 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Oct 17 19:07:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: tech help w/ Rock Ola 1448 select sys Message-ID: <20081017.220400.7055.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Hi: The Comet 1438 is almost the same electrically as a 1448. I've a got 2 unique selection problems happening. Problem #1 The 1448 has a rotating titlestrip bar that works with a 40-button selector panel. The titlestrip bar has 3 sections to it. Group # 1 has selections from #1 thru 40 Group # 2 has selections #41 thru 80 Group # 3 has selections #81 thru 120. All Group # 1 selections register normally. All Group # 3 selections register normally. With Group # 2 numbers 41 thru 58 register normally If you select # 59 thru 76, the "mirror image" pins from Group #3 are pulled. If you select odd numbers #77 or 79 selection 119 is pulled. If you select even numbers 78 or 80, selection 120 is pulled. I've looked for the obvious----the selector switch contacts operated by the rotating drum are all working. There seems to be no damaged or cut wires in the selector harness. All of the pins on the selector drum move easily--not sticking. The readout and cancel circuits are functioning OK. The selector drum has probably never been removed, opened or cleaned on this machine. The machine had been sitting,unused, in a sheltered indoor environment, for about 10 years. The mech had to be cleaned and oiled. Problem # 2 This developed recently, after the 1st problem was discovered. Machine will establish a credit, allowing you to make a selection,and stays "on". There is no 6.3 volts voltage to light "select" lamp. Ratchet system does not count down remaining selections. If you press any selector button, only a few of the 120 will register and pull a selector pin. Every time you press any selector button, you hear relay click (inside selector drum?) For most, a selector pin isn't pulled. I have service manuals, schematics and test equipment to work on these. Question: If we determine that selector drum has to be pulled off of mechanism, what is the best way to do it? service manual isn't much help in this regard. Thanks in advance for your help, Jim Alexander Coin Computers ____________________________________________________________ Love Graphic Design? Find a school near you. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGi5QQ4w2dfnI9VXlhz7AmjyAY3HEinT3QnN0ZkuKeOUAvs/ From goodwright at verizon.net Fri Oct 17 19:35:37 2008 From: goodwright at verizon.net (goodwright) Date: Fri Oct 17 20:37:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1475 Tempo 1 questions Message-ID: Aaron - I have a 1468ST Tempo (1) that I believe was original when I bought it in 1981. The machine speakers were originally two 12" dual-cone full range (pn 32878), no tweeter, nor a place for one. They were fed left and right from the amp, however, the Stereophonic Supplement manual recommends not using the machine speakers at all, but rather two 12" 2-way wall speaker systems (optional at extra cost) for proper stereo reproduction. Plugging these speakers into the jacks labelled "MAIN STEREO SPEAKERS" on the amp automatically cut off the machine speakers. The "V" on my grille was a two-piece chromed plastic affair, badly peeled. I sprayed it with "chrome" paint and it's acceptable, but I think the stainless steel repro would look much better (and more original). The diffuser over the grille was frosted glass, no color, and looked like it had always been there. FWIW, the red paint on the Rock-Ola "R" on my grille is flourescent, looks cool with blacklight. KevinG >Morning all. The gods of juke-world smiled down upon me yesterday afternoon! In of all places, I found a 1475 Tempo 1 in one of our local antique malls! Bought it for an incredible price - one that allows me absolute freedom to restore it - barring no expense. What makes this really special for me is that I grew up with a 1468. Had it since I was 5 years old and that machine alone is what got me into jukes at an early age. The buying price notwithstanding, the 1475 is going to need some work. Once of the biggest oddities is that both original speakers are missing and were replaced with a single 6" junker. Are the originals supposed to be 12" full range speakers, or are they some sort of odd woofer/tweeter combination since the 1475 is a stereo juke? Second question: the "V" on the front grill is painted in the same black with gold fleck as the "200" plastics on the sides of the cabinet...but it's cracked. VG sells a replacement that's stainless steel. I've seen pictures of BOTH styles on this juke. Which one is more likely to be correct? Third...and this relates to the second: the diffuser glass that goes immediately below the buttons... is that supposed to be blue, rainbow colored, clear/frosted, or none of the above? I found traces of broken blue glass wedged between the front grill and the front bottom chrome trim piece and that's what makes me wonder. I think it would look really slick if there was blue-tinted glass shining light on a stainless steel "V", but I'd rather be accurate. It seems that the "V" was an easy piece to break so it was getting replaced with a white plastic "V" from a 1468 or a metal one from after-market. That's all for now. Fun stuff ahead! Aaron >Oh man, guys...we've gotten off my original topic. I feel abandoned. :( What about those speakers? Anything about that grill "V"? From jay at west.net Sat Oct 18 08:33:09 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Oct 18 08:34:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Texas flood victim with Wurlitzer 1100 and Rockola 1428 Message-ID: <48FA01B5.7030807@west.net> Hello all, I just got a phone call from Jim Spears. He has (or had) a restaurant in Texas that was flooded by Hurricane Ike. In it were a Wurlitzer 1100 and Rockola 1428. Both machines were under several feet of water for some time due to the storm. They are probably not going to be repairable. His insurance company wants a repair estimate to establish value, as there is no suitable replacement available. This is obviously likely to be close to the value of a rebuilt machine, and again I doubt if repair is practical, although I haven't seen the jukes. If the machines aren't going to be repairable, he would like to see them go to someone who can use any salvageable parts to keep other machines alive. I would suspect that the plastics and glass will be usable as well as buttons and other decorative parts. Jim doesn't have access to email. His contact number is 281-488-3133. If someone can help him, please give him a call. He sounds like a nice guy. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From oceanis281 at epix.net Thu Oct 16 17:21:07 2008 From: oceanis281 at epix.net (oceanis281@epix.net) Date: Sat Oct 18 08:35:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Entertainer Message-ID: <20081016202107.rbx8z7txxc0wgskg@webmail.frontiernet.net> I have a Seeburg Entertainer juke box...when a selection button is pushed the carraige begins to move, and will go all the way down to the end and then come back to it's original starting position without stopping and picking up the record....what should I check, how can I fix this? thanks Chuck -- There is nothing half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. From paul.chappell at btinternet.com Sat Oct 18 07:37:45 2008 From: paul.chappell at btinternet.com (paul chappell) Date: Sat Oct 18 08:35:55 2008 Subject: SV: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer stepper.... Message-ID: Hi JensI I notice you mentioned about a 255 stepper, I wonder if you might know if that would work with a 5207 wallbox on a 1900 Wurlitzer! I know your article might be an old one but if you are still around perhaps you might know! Many Thanks Paul 1900 owner and stepper 255 From drjukebox at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 09:10:58 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Sat Oct 18 09:12:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer stepper.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3154d3690810180910q26636f54xe0adb900c7052804@mail.gmail.com> Hi Paul, 255 will work with any 104 select model 1800-2504. It isn't mentioned in the literature, but it is the same as the regular 257 stepper but without the booster transformer for larger wallbox installations. regards, Jens On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:37 PM, paul chappell wrote: > Hi JensI > > > I notice you mentioned about a 255 stepper, I wonder if you might know if > that would work with a 5207 wallbox on a 1900 Wurlitzer! > > I know your article might be an old one but if you are still around perhaps > you might know! > > Many Thanks > > Paul > > 1900 owner and stepper 255 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 09:25:20 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Oct 18 09:26:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Entertainer In-Reply-To: <20081016202107.rbx8z7txxc0wgskg@webmail.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <276670.2196.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Chuck, There is no "easy button" fix. You will need some electro/mechanical skills a Service Manual, , and IMHO, a copy of my Seeburg Microlog Trouble Shooting Guide.? If you want to go "deep" into the machine, you will need a copy of Tony Miller"s "Black/Gray" box book, and if you wish to do amp work, a copy of his SHP Amp book. You might want to check out Tony's site, as there is a "General" trouble shooting guide on it ( http://home.pacbell.net/fmillera ). The guide is NOT specific to any Seeburg system, but refers to all of the later systems. Or--You can call someone who knows that system to repair it for you. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 10/16/08, oceanis281@epix.net wrote: From: oceanis281@epix.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Entertainer To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 5:21 PM I have a Seeburg Entertainer juke box...when a selection button is pushed the carraige begins to move, and will go all the way down to the end and then come back to it's original starting position without stopping and picking up the record....what should I check, how can I fix this? thanks Chuck -- There is nothing half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Sat Oct 18 10:14:17 2008 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Sat Oct 18 10:29:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Texas flood victim with Wurlitzer 1100 and Rockola1428 In-Reply-To: <48FA01B5.7030807@west.net> References: <48FA01B5.7030807@west.net> Message-ID: I work in an insurance claim department and would like to offer the following advice to your friend Jim. The insurance carrier should cover the jukeboxes for their current value. The policy will pay the LOWEST OF 1) cost to repair 2) cost to replace. So, first he will have to establish that they are not worth repairing. He will have to get something in writing preferrably by a company who does jukebox restorations and repairs, saying that the machines cannot be economically repaired. If there is a charge for getting this quote, the insurance company will usually pay for it. The same repair company can give an opinion on what they feel it would cost to replace these boxes with ones in identical condition (just prior to the loss). This may be a little more tricky. It would help to get a few quotes. Even having e-mails from a few companies that say "in my opinion a W1100 in good condition is worth $XXXX". Also, e-Bay quotes are sometimes taken as a good reference (especially if the item sold, not just the asking price) The more quotes the better. The insurer will average them out. So Jim has some homework to do with this, if he wants to get a fair value Remember, it is immaterial what Jim originally paid for the boxes. The insurer owes what it would cost TODAY to replacement them. Don't forget to include the cost of the records as they are part of the claim. But you must be aware of something: once the insurance company pays him for the jukeboxes, the SALVAGE BECOMES THEIRS to do what they want with. Usually an insurer has no interested in keeping damaged jukeboxes, so make them an offer of $100 or $200 for both, and they'll likely let him keep them. THEN, and only then can he begin to sell them off for parts (not before Jim settles with the insurer). Hope this helps you out. Let me know if you have more questions. Good luck Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan Sent: 2008, October, 18 11:33 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Texas flood victim with Wurlitzer 1100 and Rockola1428 Hello all, I just got a phone call from Jim Spears. He has (or had) a restaurant in Texas that was flooded by Hurricane Ike. In it were a Wurlitzer 1100 and Rockola 1428. Both machines were under several feet of water for some time due to the storm. They are probably not going to be repairable. His insurance company wants a repair estimate to establish value, as there is no suitable replacement available. This is obviously likely to be close to the value of a rebuilt machine, and again I doubt if repair is practical, although I haven't seen the jukes. If the machines aren't going to be repairable, he would like to see them go to someone who can use any salvageable parts to keep other machines alive. I would suspect that the plastics and glass will be usable as well as buttons and other decorative parts. Jim doesn't have access to email. His contact number is 281-488-3133. If someone can help him, please give him a call. He sounds like a nice guy. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. 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Jon Scaptura Binghamton Radio Online http://www.binghamtonradio.com From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Sat Oct 18 13:00:14 2008 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Sat Oct 18 13:01:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe AMI 250W amplifier 61024902 Message-ID: <0F82C38578DB474DABB24CDE3A59D75C@JUKEBUS> Would anyone have a scanned schematic for this amp? It's from a CD machine (Diamante??), far newer than the stuff I normally deal with! I need to know how to connect a volume control to bench test it, and also what the output transistors should be - each channel is fitted with different types and I don't know which are the correct ones! Thanks, Adrian. From crobertson19405 at comcast.net Sat Oct 18 17:04:05 2008 From: crobertson19405 at comcast.net (Craig and Cerena) Date: Sat Oct 18 17:09:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to connect an external devise on a Seeburg Message-ID: <0C46153B12AC4025AEDA999B5D445B27@CraignCerena> Can anyone tell me how to connect say an MP3 unit to my HF100R Seeburg? I am still trying to restore the ole jukebox but would like to use it with some modern technology on occasions later. Thanks for any help. Craig From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 18 17:15:38 2008 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Sat Oct 18 17:23:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to connect an external devise on a Seeburg References: <0C46153B12AC4025AEDA999B5D445B27@CraignCerena> Message-ID: <691F75F53A8546E992B0A1C3BD65B649@valued5anxs5vu> Just the thought of that makes me feel quite sick. Why not buy a cheap boom box and leave the nostalgia where it belongs? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig and Cerena" To: Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 8:04 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to connect an external devise on a Seeburg > Can anyone tell me how to connect say an MP3 unit to my HF100R > Seeburg? I am still trying to restore the ole jukebox but would like to > use it with some modern technology on occasions later. Thanks for any > help. > > Craig > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sat Oct 18 17:25:12 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sat Oct 18 17:26:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: tech help w/ Rock Ola 1448 select sys References: <20081017.220400.7055.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001601c93181$277aef00$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Most likely you have a problem with either a bad or mis-adjusted microswitch in the titleboard assembly when it is rotated to the Group 2 selections. One of them is not switching properly, so the last 20 buttons are electrically connected to Group 3 selections. These can be adjusted by a small set screw on the lever which follows the cam. I have had to replace a few microswitches in the past. You also have a problem in the credit unit. The select light is activated by a small leaf switch - it may be dirty or out of adjustment. The credit is taken back off by a small spring loaded arm that is activated by a relay when you make a selection. Many of these machines are put on free play by removing this lever, so check to see if this is the case. While in there, replace the rectifier and the 150/300 mfd caps. Lastly, like Seeburg pinbanks, Rockola pinbanks of this vintage need disassembly and cleaning to be 100% reliable. You may have all pins pull, but poor contact inside will result in sluggish operation of the start relay. I would highly suggest removing it and cleaning it, but it is not a fun job. The manual does give clear instructions on how to remove it - there is a page near the front titled "Removal of Selector Unit". I can add one more thing - remove the complete popularity meter assembly first and throw it in the garbage. It is a real pain to put back, plus it is one more thing to gum up and cause problems. If you have problems, call me - I am in Marietta. Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: ; Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: tech help w/ Rock Ola 1448 select sys Hi: The Comet 1438 is almost the same electrically as a 1448. I've a got 2 unique selection problems happening. Problem #1 The 1448 has a rotating titlestrip bar that works with a 40-button selector panel. The titlestrip bar has 3 sections to it. Group # 1 has selections from #1 thru 40 Group # 2 has selections #41 thru 80 Group # 3 has selections #81 thru 120. All Group # 1 selections register normally. All Group # 3 selections register normally. With Group # 2 numbers 41 thru 58 register normally If you select # 59 thru 76, the "mirror image" pins from Group #3 are pulled. If you select odd numbers #77 or 79 selection 119 is pulled. If you select even numbers 78 or 80, selection 120 is pulled. I've looked for the obvious----the selector switch contacts operated by the rotating drum are all working. There seems to be no damaged or cut wires in the selector harness. All of the pins on the selector drum move easily--not sticking. The readout and cancel circuits are functioning OK. The selector drum has probably never been removed, opened or cleaned on this machine. The machine had been sitting,unused, in a sheltered indoor environment, for about 10 years. The mech had to be cleaned and oiled. Problem # 2 This developed recently, after the 1st problem was discovered. Machine will establish a credit, allowing you to make a selection,and stays "on". There is no 6.3 volts voltage to light "select" lamp. Ratchet system does not count down remaining selections. If you press any selector button, only a few of the 120 will register and pull a selector pin. Every time you press any selector button, you hear relay click (inside selector drum?) For most, a selector pin isn't pulled. I have service manuals, schematics and test equipment to work on these. Question: If we determine that selector drum has to be pulled off of mechanism, what is the best way to do it? service manual isn't much help in this regard. Thanks in advance for your help, Jim Alexander Coin Computers ____________________________________________________________ Love Graphic Design? Find a school near you. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGi5QQ4w2dfnI9VXlhz7AmjyAY3HEinT3QnN0ZkuKeOUAvs/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Sat Oct 18 17:37:37 2008 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Sat Oct 18 17:40:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to connect an external devise on a Seeburg References: <0C46153B12AC4025AEDA999B5D445B27@CraignCerena> <691F75F53A8546E992B0A1C3BD65B649@valued5anxs5vu> Message-ID: Craig, Start here: http://www.cdadapter.com/inv-riaa.htm This is a device that lets you connect a line level device to a phono input. It is made for Rowe/AMI jukes, but may be adaptable to match the Seeburg input. In any case - you want to be sure that any "upgrades" are easily reversible should you wish to sell your jukebox at a later date. William - this may help with your sickness: http://www.pepto-bismol.com/ :) Jon Scaptura ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Hill" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] How to connect an external devise on a Seeburg > Just the thought of that makes me feel quite sick. Why not buy a cheap > boom box and leave the nostalgia where it belongs? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig and Cerena" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 8:04 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to connect an external devise on a Seeburg > > >> Can anyone tell me how to connect say an MP3 unit to my HF100R >> Seeburg? I am still trying to restore the ole jukebox but would like to >> use it with some modern technology on occasions later. Thanks for any >> help. >> >> Craig >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 18:34:55 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Oct 18 18:35:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock CD8C Help Please Message-ID: <905092.46548.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi All, If anyone of you is familar with this phono (Rock CD8C), could you please contact me "Off List" ? I have a real confusing probem. This has the "yellow" system.? ronnnrich@yahoo.com? TIA, Ron Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From aaron at vertasource.com Sat Oct 18 19:19:09 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Sat Oct 18 19:16:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 credit unit Message-ID: <200810182219535.SM04156@[192.168.1.206]> Having a blast with this 1475 Tempo 1. Found something that's a little puzzling and hopefully someone on the list can key in on this for me. When I was a kid with my 1468, the credit unit was rigged by whoever my parents bought the jukebox from to keep it on freeplay. I don't know why, but that always bothered me. I really wanted to drop a coin in and get to play a record the correct way, but it was not to be. Whenever I tried to monkey with the credit unit, my mother would go crazy and start yelling to leave the jukebox ALONE!!! So now, I have mine and I can PLAY!!! Here's a deal. I fixed the credit unit this afternoon so that it selects plays on nickles, dime and quarters. Who's got half-dollars any more? I got the "Select" light to go on at every coin...but there's three bulbs in the select housing. Only one comes on. I check the schematic and it clearly shows three bulbs... but the bulbs for the 5 cent and 10 cent "credit lites" "OPERATES WITH D.C.U. ONLY." What's the D.C.U.? I poured through the entire manual and I can't find what it is. Now I know why the "Select" glass seemed so dim when I was a kid. Only 1 bulb was lighting up part of the plastic. The other two were dark. I should have 6 volts AC on those bulbs, but I don't. Apparently there's something else missing from the credit equasion to turn those bulbs on. Anyone know? Aaron From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 19:37:36 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Oct 18 19:38:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 credit unit In-Reply-To: <200810182219535.SM04156@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <225583.16311.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Aaron, Dual Credit (price per selection) Unit. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 10/18/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 credit unit To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 7:19 PM Having a blast with this 1475 Tempo 1. Found something that's a little puzzling and hopefully someone on the list can key in on this for me. When I was a kid with my 1468, the credit unit was rigged by whoever my parents bought the jukebox from to keep it on freeplay. I don't know why, but that always bothered me. I really wanted to drop a coin in and get to play a record the correct way, but it was not to be. Whenever I tried to monkey with the credit unit, my mother would go crazy and start yelling to leave the jukebox ALONE!!! So now, I have mine and I can PLAY!!! Here's a deal. I fixed the credit unit this afternoon so that it selects plays on nickles, dime and quarters. Who's got half-dollars any more? I got the "Select" light to go on at every coin...but there's three bulbs in the select housing. Only one comes on. I check the schematic and it clearly shows three bulbs... but the bulbs for the 5 cent and 10 cent "credit lites" "OPERATES WITH D.C.U. ONLY." What's the D.C.U.? I poured through the entire manual and I can't find what it is. Now I know why the "Select" glass seemed so dim when I was a kid. Only 1 bulb was lighting up part of the plastic. The other two were dark. I should have 6 volts AC on those bulbs, but I don't. Apparently there's something else missing from the credit equasion to turn those bulbs on. Anyone know? Aaron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 18 20:18:16 2008 From: jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Sat Oct 18 20:19:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe 250 Watt Message-ID: <680224.33042.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Maybe this will help with the 250 watt amp Q101 should be an RCA 2N6284 (near R34) Q102 should be an RCA 2N6287 (near R33) I would not sub cheap devices in this case. single volume P1 tied to P5 to wiper ????????????????????? P2 blocked ????????????????????? P3 end of winding ????????????????????? P4 open ????????????????????? P5 to P1 Dual volume?? P1 to wiper of pot ????????????????????? P2 blocked ??????????????????????P3 end of windings ????????????????????? P4 to P5 ??????????????????????P5 to wiper of pot you can use a 10K linear pot. If I could spell logarithmic or a volume pot, don't use it. ? John the Jukebox Man __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu Sat Oct 18 20:54:44 2008 From: Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu (Tyler, Ronald) Date: Sat Oct 18 20:55:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 credit unit References: <200810182219535.SM04156@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: Dual Credit Unit?? ________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of Aaron Heverin Sent: Sat 10/18/2008 7:19 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 credit unit Having a blast with this 1475 Tempo 1. Found something that's a little puzzling and hopefully someone on the list can key in on this for me. When I was a kid with my 1468, the credit unit was rigged by whoever my parents bought the jukebox from to keep it on freeplay. I don't know why, but that always bothered me. I really wanted to drop a coin in and get to play a record the correct way, but it was not to be. Whenever I tried to monkey with the credit unit, my mother would go crazy and start yelling to leave the jukebox ALONE!!! So now, I have mine and I can PLAY!!! Here's a deal. I fixed the credit unit this afternoon so that it selects plays on nickles, dime and quarters. Who's got half-dollars any more? I got the "Select" light to go on at every coin...but there's three bulbs in the select housing. Only one comes on. I check the schematic and it clearly shows three bulbs... but the bulbs for the 5 cent and 10 cent "credit lites" "OPERATES WITH D.C.U. ONLY." What's the D.C.U.? I poured through the entire manual and I can't find what it is. Now I know why the "Select" glass seemed so dim when I was a kid. Only 1 bulb was lighting up part of the plastic. The other two were dark. I should have 6 volts AC on those bulbs, but I don't. Apparently there's something else missing from the credit equasion to turn those bulbs on. Anyone know? Aaron From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Sun Oct 19 00:59:05 2008 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Sun Oct 19 01:00:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe 250 Watt References: <680224.33042.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5D5C78F5A68D4E56AB66B7EB1190BF2B@JUKEBUS> ...Thanks John, I have not powered this up yet - but the reported problem is distortion on 1 channel. I think it's the one without the correct transistors from your information. Regards, Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:18 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe 250 Watt Maybe this will help with the 250 watt amp Q101 should be an RCA 2N6284 (near R34) Q102 should be an RCA 2N6287 (near R33) I would not sub cheap devices in this case. single volume P1 tied to P5 to wiper P2 blocked P3 end of winding P4 open P5 to P1 Dual volume P1 to wiper of pot P2 blocked P3 end of windings P4 to P5 P5 to wiper of pot you can use a 10K linear pot. If I could spell logarithmic or a volume pot, don't use it. John the Jukebox Man __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1731 - Release Date: 17/10/2008 19:01 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Oct 19 01:27:55 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Oct 19 01:30:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 credit unit Message-ID: <20081019.042755.22804.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Aaron: I'll be glad to look for you to answer this, but my answers will come from a 1488/1495 service manual, which seems to have a similar coin/credit setup. The DCU mystery might be an optional dual pricing unit that apparently was offered as an accessory in order to price 45 EP's at a higher price. The 1495 I had came with the standard coin credit unit, but had a disconnected switchbank matrix on the keyboard that allowed you to set aside letter A, letter B,etc selections at a higher price for play. I'll have it look it up to get you any more info on it. The selection setup on your 1475 is quite a bit diffrent than the 1495. You have five letters (A-B-C-D-E) coupled with a revolving title strip drum and 40 number buttons. The 1495 has a Seeburg style letter number matrix with a fixed titleboard. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Turn your passion into a profession. Click here to find a film school near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s2oVtTciLr1R82QoUH1UnKQyYHPzrgfBpCUVY19rW5mFrLg/ From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Sun Oct 19 07:39:06 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Sun Oct 19 07:40:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Texas flood victim with Wurlitzer 1100 and Rockola 1428 In-Reply-To: <48FA01B5.7030807@west.net> Message-ID: <348189.99733.qm@web54602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Believe it or not I have seen jukes that were in a flood actually work. Even if they are in flooded waters for days. I find the key is as soon as the water is gone get them dry as soon as possible (remove all electronics and anything metal) and get a few people with hair dryers and get those parts dry! Unfortunately I cannot say the same for the cabinet. Two years ago I had two of my jukes get damaged by lightning. The lighting hit a 60 foot black walnut tree outside my house then hit the basement window it then arc'd though my 1950 Motorola tube radio (yes there is a hole through one side and it went out the other) it did the same to my 1930's Zenith Radio sign and then through my one of a kind CKLY Radio Station Clock sign (this sign actually started on FIRE). I blew up two power bars and damaged my 1438 Rockola Comet and my AMI Model K. It also melted part of the basement window as well as scorching the wall too. As I live in Canada they could not find anyone to estimate the damage of the jukes. They sent an appraiser over and they offered me $500 each and I get to keep them. I hired another apprasier and she got me to apprasie the damage and value. I fought for over 6 months and got roughly $1,500 each and got to keep them. Insurance companys don't mind taking your money but when it comes to paying up... boy they can really be turkeys!!! ? P.S. it also took out my Cannon Pixma MP780 all in one printer and my daughters TV and both her computer and my oldest son's computer. It was like going through a living hell with the insurance company. I just wished we had not been hit by lightning. ? Regards, Tony --- On Sat, 10/18/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: [Jukebox-list] Texas flood victim with Wurlitzer 1100 and Rockola 1428 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 11:33 AM Hello all, I just got a phone call from Jim Spears. He has (or had) a restaurant in Texas that was flooded by Hurricane Ike. In it were a Wurlitzer 1100 and Rockola 1428. Both machines were under several feet of water for some time due to the storm. They are probably not going to be repairable. His insurance company wants a repair estimate to establish value, as there is no suitable replacement available. This is obviously likely to be close to the value of a rebuilt machine, and again I doubt if repair is practical, although I haven't seen the jukes. If the machines aren't going to be repairable, he would like to see them go to someone who can use any salvageable parts to keep other machines alive. I would suspect that the plastics and glass will be usable as well as buttons and other decorative parts. Jim doesn't have access to email. His contact number is 281-488-3133. If someone can help him, please give him a call. He sounds like a nice guy. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wbabbott at verizon.net Sun Oct 19 06:41:23 2008 From: wbabbott at verizon.net (Britt Abbott) Date: Sun Oct 19 07:43:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: tech help w/ Rock Ola 1448 select sys Message-ID: <32031963.19254371224423683331.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Jim, very good diagnosis! I've got a Comet which has the same mech and you're "spot on!" I also have a 1448 that I'm doing a ground up restoration on. I've kinda stalled right now on the project due to lack of available time, but I'll probably get back on it shortly. I found your comments on the popularity meter very interesting. I remembered looking at the one on my 1448. The meter is very rusty and looks like it's strung to the mech using monofilament fishing line!! Looks like taking this off cleaning it and trying to re-mount would be very trying on the patience meter!!! Also, every popularity meter I've seen for sale for a 1448 or 1454 looks rusty, particularly the round metal bar that goes through the center. I'll probably take your advice about depositing it in the round can.... Britt Chesapeake, VA On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 8:25 PM, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: > Most likely you have a problem with either a bad or mis-adjusted > microswitch in the titleboard assembly when it is rotated to the Group > 2 selections. One of them is not switching properly, so the last 20 > buttons are electrically connected to Group 3 selections. These can be > adjusted by a small set screw on the lever which follows the cam. I > have had to replace a few microswitches in the past. You also have a problem in the credit unit. The select light is activated by a small leaf switch - it may be dirty or out of adjustment. The credit is taken back off by a small spring loaded arm that is activated by a relay when you make a selection. Many of these machines are put on free play by removing this lever, so check to see if this is the case. While in there, replace the rectifier and the 150/300 mfd caps. Lastly, like Seeburg pinbanks, Rockola pinbanks of this vintage need disassembly and cleaning to be 100% reliable. You may have all pins pull, but poor contact inside will result in sluggish operation of the start relay. I would highly suggest removing it and cleaning it, but it is not a fun job. The manual does give clear instructions on how to remove it - there is a page near the front titled "Removal of Selector Unit". I can add one more thing - remove the complete popularity meter assembly first and throw it in the garbage. It is a real pain to put back, plus it is one more thing to gum up and cause problems. If you have problems, call me - I am in Marietta. Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" ? > To: ? >; ? > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: tech help w/ Rock Ola 1448 select sys Hi: The Comet 1438 is almost the same electrically as a 1448.?? I've a got 2 unique selection problems happening. Problem #1 The 1448 has a rotating titlestrip bar that works with a 40-button selector panel.? The titlestrip bar has 3 sections to it.??? Group # 1? has selections from #1 thru 40??? Group # 2 has selections #41 thru 80 Group # 3 has selections #81 thru 120. All Group # 1 selections register normally.??? All Group # 3 selections register normally.? With Group # 2?? numbers 41 thru 58 register normally If you select # 59 thru 76, the "mirror image" pins from Group #3 are pulled. If you select odd numbers #77 or 79? selection 119 is pulled.??? If you select even numbers 78 or 80, selection 120 is pulled. I've looked for the obvious----the selector switch contacts operated by the rotating drum are all working.?? There seems to be no damaged or cut wires in the selector harness.?? All of the pins on the selector drum move easily--not sticking.??? The readout and cancel circuits are functioning OK. The selector drum has probably never been removed, opened or cleaned on this machine. The machine had been sitting,unused, in a sheltered indoor environment,? for about 10 years.? The mech had to be cleaned and oiled. Problem # 2 This developed recently, after the 1st problem was discovered. Machine will establish a credit, allowing you to make a selection,and stays "on".? There is no 6.3 volts voltage to light "select" lamp.? Ratchet system does not count down remaining selections.??? If you press any selector button, only a few of the 120 will register and pull a selector pin.?? Every time you press any selector button, you hear relay click? (inside selector drum?)? For most, a selector pin isn't pulled. I have service manuals, schematics and test equipment to work on these. Question: If we determine that selector drum has to be pulled off of mechanism, what is the best way to do it?? service manual isn't much help in this regard. Thanks in advance for your help, Jim Alexander?????? Coin Computers ____________________________________________________________ Love Graphic Design? Find a school near you. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGi5QQ4w2dfnI9VXlhz7AmjyAY3HEinT3QnN0ZkuKeOUAvs/ ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? From lavin at cheqnet.net Sun Oct 19 08:35:29 2008 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Sun Oct 19 08:36:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems Message-ID: HI , I am still fighting sound issues with my 553 amp for the 3600 wurly. The problem is it sounds like it has bad speakers ( like voice coils rubbing) at moderate to low volume levels. I have replaced the 4 output transistors as one was open, and another shorted out when I bought it, the prev owner had both speakers connected to just the left channel as the right side was DOA when I bought it. I also recaped the power supply, (one cap had lots of A/C ripple on the scope, B-) now I had music, but reall poor quality. (Fuses were blowen when I first checked out the amp) Next I replaced all the wax/ white caps on the pre-amp board, left the orange drop caps in place. Replaced a intermitent balance control, it would actually make a static noise in the juke when it was playing at high volume levels, took me a while to figure out that one ! Any way it still had the muddy/bad speaker sound to it after all of the repairs I have done so far. So today I tried the NOS pre amp board in it, thought I might have a better result with a different board, still sounds poor. I have 2 other amps that I have tried in it, not much change in them either. OK, now that I have gone through all that, a thought came into my head, I wonder if I have a bad output transformer(s) for the speakers ? I also had replaced the 2 upper speakers prev with generic units, as the right one was dead, and the left was almost dead( no sound , high resistance of voice coils) , now the right side is working but at a lower sound level than the left one. Could the bad transistors and caps in the amp have shorted out the windings in the output transformers ? . Have not yet done any resistance readings on them , got to get the manual out I guess. I am almost to the point of parting this thing out, but the mechanical part works perfictly, and the cabinet is in pretty good shape yet. Guess I am just tired of working on this thing, sorry for the rant and long post :-( Dennis. (Jukeboxdenny) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 09:03:16 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Oct 19 09:04:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 credit unit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <641950.21511.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> It was an optional unit, that allowed operators to charge a premium price for longer playing records. You have a S. (single) P, U. in that phono. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 10/18/08, Tyler, Ronald wrote: From: Tyler, Ronald Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 credit unit To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 8:54 PM Dual Credit Unit?? ________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of Aaron Heverin Sent: Sat 10/18/2008 7:19 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 credit unit Having a blast with this 1475 Tempo 1. Found something that's a little puzzling and hopefully someone on the list can key in on this for me. When I was a kid with my 1468, the credit unit was rigged by whoever my parents bought the jukebox from to keep it on freeplay. I don't know why, but that always bothered me. I really wanted to drop a coin in and get to play a record the correct way, but it was not to be. Whenever I tried to monkey with the credit unit, my mother would go crazy and start yelling to leave the jukebox ALONE!!! So now, I have mine and I can PLAY!!! Here's a deal. I fixed the credit unit this afternoon so that it selects plays on nickles, dime and quarters. Who's got half-dollars any more? I got the "Select" light to go on at every coin...but there's three bulbs in the select housing. Only one comes on. I check the schematic and it clearly shows three bulbs... but the bulbs for the 5 cent and 10 cent "credit lites" "OPERATES WITH D.C.U. ONLY." What's the D.C.U.? I poured through the entire manual and I can't find what it is. Now I know why the "Select" glass seemed so dim when I was a kid. Only 1 bulb was lighting up part of the plastic. The other two were dark. I should have 6 volts AC on those bulbs, but I don't. Apparently there's something else missing from the credit equasion to turn those bulbs on. Anyone know? Aaron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 09:08:09 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Oct 19 09:09:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe 250 Watt In-Reply-To: <5D5C78F5A68D4E56AB66B7EB1190BF2B@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <130788.19571.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Adrian, Check the fuses, as I said before---be SURE someone has not "stuck a larger size fuse" in?ANY of the holders. If one's blown( or overfused), replace that transistor, and check the driver board resistors, and transistors, before you power it ! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: From: Juke of Shrewsbury Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe 250 Watt To: jukejohn2000@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 12:59 AM ...Thanks John, I have not powered this up yet - but the reported problem is distortion on 1 channel. I think it's the one without the correct transistors from your information. Regards, Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:18 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe 250 Watt Maybe this will help with the 250 watt amp Q101 should be an RCA 2N6284 (near R34) Q102 should be an RCA 2N6287 (near R33) I would not sub cheap devices in this case. single volume P1 tied to P5 to wiper P2 blocked P3 end of winding P4 open P5 to P1 Dual volume P1 to wiper of pot P2 blocked P3 end of windings P4 to P5 P5 to wiper of pot you can use a 10K linear pot. If I could spell logarithmic or a volume pot, don't use it. John the Jukebox Man __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1731 - Release Date: 17/10/2008 19:01 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 09:23:27 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Oct 19 09:24:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: tech help w/ Rock Ola 1448 select sys In-Reply-To: <32031963.19254371224423683331.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <270262.25261.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Guy's Yea, that pop meter is a PIA !? What I've done in the past, was to remove it, and unless the customer demanded it be replaced, was to put it, and all the removed parts,?in a long plastic bag, seal the bag, and "install" it somewhere in the bottom of the cabinet---Ron Rich --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Britt Abbott wrote: From: Britt Abbott Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: tech help w/ Rock Ola 1448 select sys To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 6:41 AM Jim, very good diagnosis! I've got a Comet which has the same mech and you're "spot on!" I also have a 1448 that I'm doing a ground up restoration on. I've kinda stalled right now on the project due to lack of available time, but I'll probably get back on it shortly. I found your comments on the popularity meter very interesting. I remembered looking at the one on my 1448. The meter is very rusty and looks like it's strung to the mech using monofilament fishing line!! Looks like taking this off cleaning it and trying to re-mount would be very trying on the patience meter!!! Also, every popularity meter I've seen for sale for a 1448 or 1454 looks rusty, particularly the round metal bar that goes through the center. I'll probably take your advice about depositing it in the round can.... Britt Chesapeake, VA On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 8:25 PM, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: > Most likely you have a problem with either a bad or mis-adjusted > microswitch in the titleboard assembly when it is rotated to the Group > 2 selections. One of them is not switching properly, so the last 20 > buttons are electrically connected to Group 3 selections. These can be > adjusted by a small set screw on the lever which follows the cam. I > have had to replace a few microswitches in the past. You also have a problem in the credit unit. The select light is activated by a small leaf switch - it may be dirty or out of adjustment. The credit is taken back off by a small spring loaded arm that is activated by a relay when you make a selection. Many of these machines are put on free play by removing this lever, so check to see if this is the case. While in there, replace the rectifier and the 150/300 mfd caps. Lastly, like Seeburg pinbanks, Rockola pinbanks of this vintage need disassembly and cleaning to be 100% reliable. You may have all pins pull, but poor contact inside will result in sluggish operation of the start relay. I would highly suggest removing it and cleaning it, but it is not a fun job. The manual does give clear instructions on how to remove it - there is a page near the front titled "Removal of Selector Unit". I can add one more thing - remove the complete popularity meter assembly first and throw it in the garbage. It is a real pain to put back, plus it is one more thing to gum up and cause problems. If you have problems, call me - I am in Marietta. Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" ? > To: ? >; ? > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: tech help w/ Rock Ola 1448 select sys Hi: The Comet 1438 is almost the same electrically as a 1448.?? I've a got 2 unique selection problems happening. Problem #1 The 1448 has a rotating titlestrip bar that works with a 40-button selector panel.? The titlestrip bar has 3 sections to it.??? Group # 1? has selections from #1 thru 40??? Group # 2 has selections #41 thru 80 Group # 3 has selections #81 thru 120. All Group # 1 selections register normally.??? All Group # 3 selections register normally.? With Group # 2?? numbers 41 thru 58 register normally If you select # 59 thru 76, the "mirror image" pins from Group #3 are pulled. If you select odd numbers #77 or 79? selection 119 is pulled.??? If you select even numbers 78 or 80, selection 120 is pulled. I've looked for the obvious----the selector switch contacts operated by the rotating drum are all working.?? There seems to be no damaged or cut wires in the selector harness.?? All of the pins on the selector drum move easily--not sticking.??? The readout and cancel circuits are functioning OK. The selector drum has probably never been removed, opened or cleaned on this machine. The machine had been sitting,unused, in a sheltered indoor environment,? for about 10 years.? The mech had to be cleaned and oiled. Problem # 2 This developed recently, after the 1st problem was discovered. Machine will establish a credit, allowing you to make a selection,and stays "on".? There is no 6.3 volts voltage to light "select" lamp.? Ratchet system does not count down remaining selections.??? If you press any selector button, only a few of the 120 will register and pull a selector pin.?? Every time you press any selector button, you hear relay click? (inside selector drum?)? For most, a selector pin isn't pulled. I have service manuals, schematics and test equipment to work on these. Question: If we determine that selector drum has to be pulled off of mechanism, what is the best way to do it?? service manual isn't much help in this regard. Thanks in advance for your help, Jim Alexander?????? Coin Computers ____________________________________________________________ Love Graphic Design? Find a school near you. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 09:34:22 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Oct 19 09:35:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <823851.95647.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Denny, Could it be that the speakers are "bad" ? Wurly used different impeadence speakers for the two channels in earlier models--I don't know if this is true for that late a model or not. I doubt the transformers are shorted, as I would think a short would blow the fuse?? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: From: Sue and Dennis Lavin Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 8:35 AM HI , I am still fighting sound issues with my 553 amp for the 3600 wurly. The problem is it sounds like it has bad speakers ( like voice coils rubbing) at moderate to low volume levels. I have replaced the 4 output transistors as one was open, and another shorted out when I bought it, the prev owner had both speakers connected to just the left channel as the right side was DOA when I bought it. I also recaped the power supply, (one cap had lots of A/C ripple on the scope, B-) now I had music, but reall poor quality. (Fuses were blowen when I first checked out the amp) Next I replaced all the wax/ white caps on the pre-amp board, left the orange drop caps in place. Replaced a intermitent balance control, it would actually make a static noise in the juke when it was playing at high volume levels, took me a while to figure out that one ! Any way it still had the muddy/bad speaker sound to it after all of the repairs I have done so far. So today I tried the NOS pre amp board in it, thought I might have a better result with a different board, still sounds poor. I have 2 other amps that I have tried in it, not much change in them either. OK, now that I have gone through all that, a thought came into my head, I wonder if I have a bad output transformer(s) for the speakers ? I also had replaced the 2 upper speakers prev with generic units, as the right one was dead, and the left was almost dead( no sound , high resistance of voice coils) , now the right side is working but at a lower sound level than the left one. Could the bad transistors and caps in the amp have shorted out the windings in the output transformers ? . Have not yet done any resistance readings on them , got to get the manual out I guess. I am almost to the point of parting this thing out, but the mechanical part works perfictly, and the cabinet is in pretty good shape yet. Guess I am just tired of working on this thing, sorry for the rant and long post :-( Dennis. (Jukeboxdenny) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lavin at cheqnet.net Sun Oct 19 10:23:13 2008 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Sun Oct 19 10:24:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems References: <823851.95647.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53A6796662E947679A95A67376B29616@dennis38rxl3bv> HI Ron, I just pulled the front panel off, and I am going to check them out. I'll ohm them out and hook them to another amp and see what it sounds like. I just wonder why the new upper ones are so different from each other in output too, there connected in parrell with the 2 lower units, with a 10mf cap in series with the upper units. I checked the 2 caps, there ok and even subbed 2 new ones with no change. I will report back Dennis. (Jukeboxdenny) . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems > Hi Denny, > Could it be that the speakers are "bad" ? Wurly used different impeadence > speakers for the two channels in earlier models--I don't know if this is > true for that late a model or not. I doubt the transformers are shorted, > as I would think a short would blow the fuse?? > Ron Rich > > --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: > > From: Sue and Dennis Lavin > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 8:35 AM > > HI , I am still fighting sound issues with my 553 amp for the 3600 wurly. > The > problem is it sounds like it has bad speakers ( like voice coils rubbing) > at > moderate to low volume levels. I have replaced the 4 output transistors as > one > was open, and another shorted out when I bought it, the prev owner had > both > speakers connected to just the left channel as the right side was DOA when > I > bought it. I also recaped the power supply, (one cap had lots of A/C > ripple on > the scope, B-) now I had music, but reall poor quality. (Fuses were blowen > when > I first checked out the amp) > > Next I replaced all the wax/ white caps on the pre-amp board, left the > orange > drop caps in place. Replaced a intermitent balance control, it would > actually > make a static noise in the juke when it was playing at high volume levels, > took > me a while to figure out that one ! > Any way it still had the muddy/bad speaker sound to it after all of the > repairs I have done so far. > > So today I tried the NOS pre amp board in it, thought I might have a > better > result with a different board, still sounds poor. > > I have 2 other amps that I have tried in it, not much change in them > either. > > OK, now that I have gone through all that, a thought came into my head, I > wonder if I have a bad output transformer(s) for the speakers ? > > I also had replaced the 2 upper speakers prev with generic units, as the > right > one was dead, and the left was almost dead( no sound , high resistance of > voice > coils) , now the right side is working but at a lower sound level than the > left > one. > > Could the bad transistors and caps in the amp have shorted out the > windings in > the output transformers ? . > > Have not yet done any resistance readings on them , got to get the manual > out I > guess. > > I am almost to the point of parting this thing out, but the mechanical > part > works perfictly, and the cabinet is in pretty good shape yet. > > Guess I am just tired of working on this thing, sorry for the rant and > long > post :-( > > > Dennis. (Jukeboxdenny) > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 10:35:23 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Oct 19 10:36:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to connect an external devise on a Seeburg In-Reply-To: <691F75F53A8546E992B0A1C3BD65B649@valued5anxs5vu> Message-ID: <594986.45145.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 10/18/08, William Hill wrote: > Just the thought of that makes me feel quite sick. Why not > buy a cheap boom > box and leave the nostalgia where it belongs? Well, I don't know if it makes me sick, but it does seem a little pointless. There are easier ways to get a speaker than to use a jukebox. I've always considered a jukebox to be putting on a show, not just to be a fancy speaker cabinet. If you want to hook up an mp3 player, you could put some kind of pot or resistor in its output to bring the level down to that of a magnetic pickup, and plug it directly into the amp. Then, of course, you're going to end up with the RIAA equalisation curve imposed on your music. A better way would be to put an audio source behind the jukebox cabinet so the sound seems to be coming from the jukebox. But, again, it seems a little pointless. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Oct 19 10:55:35 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Oct 19 10:56:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to connect an external devise on a Seeburg In-Reply-To: <594986.45145.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <691F75F53A8546E992B0A1C3BD65B649@valued5anxs5vu> <594986.45145.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005701c93213$e3370110$a9a50330$@force9.co.uk> I am in England and when I was involved in Jukeboxes up till about 5 years ago, we developed a kit for NSM machines to take the output of a CD player and input it into the jukebox. This was due to popular request, from many owners, so for a lot of people it is seen as an extra facility on their jukebox, and not something that would make them sick. They actually paid us for the conversion. I created a setup on my own Continental 1, which kicked in after the machine scanned out, released the mute relay, and allowed the ipod to play through the jukebox amp. It was all removable and plug in, so no damage to the machine. However...... I only used it a couple of times and got bored of it. Took more time to make than I ever used it for. It didn't 'seem' right the machine playing a song with the mechanism standing still. So I understand both points of view here. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 19 October 2008 18:35 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] How to connect an external devise on a Seeburg --- On Sat, 10/18/08, William Hill wrote: > Just the thought of that makes me feel quite sick. Why not > buy a cheap boom > box and leave the nostalgia where it belongs? Well, I don't know if it makes me sick, but it does seem a little pointless. There are easier ways to get a speaker than to use a jukebox. I've always considered a jukebox to be putting on a show, not just to be a fancy speaker cabinet. If you want to hook up an mp3 player, you could put some kind of pot or resistor in its output to bring the level down to that of a magnetic pickup, and plug it directly into the amp. Then, of course, you're going to end up with the RIAA equalisation curve imposed on your music. A better way would be to put an audio source behind the jukebox cabinet so the sound seems to be coming from the jukebox. But, again, it seems a little pointless. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Oct 19 11:55:35 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Oct 19 11:59:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems Message-ID: <20081019.145535.24668.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Hi: Have you tried using an audio source, known to be in good working condition,such as a stereo receiver, and connected it to the machine speakers for an audio test? If you want to, you should be able to route the receivers' output through the matching transformer panel in order to test your theory that they might be defective. In doing this, be sure that you've disconnected the speaker lines from the Wurlitzer amp output first. The machine's output transformers in these later solid state systems are usually used as impedance and level-matching devices. They generally don't fail because of electronics problems on the amp chassis. Last, but not least, have you checked for any DC offset problem in the output stage of the amp? This can cause a low-level distortion symptom like you're describing in a direct-coupled amp. A tell-tale sign that you have DC offset present is if you can hear (or see) the speakers make a single big thumping sound when you power up the amplifier. Good luck in tracking down your problem. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to become an artist and quit your boring job. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tu8BUC3beqvUH9OPCkeymBfUo3WHv0wOErnpjt3i2dQWUU2/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Oct 19 12:11:16 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Oct 19 12:14:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Texas flood victim with Wurlitzer 1100 and Rockola 1428 Message-ID: <20081019.151116.24668.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: This advice is probably like being a Monday morning quarterback, after reading about your problems and arguments with your insurance company. I'm sorry to hear about your loss. There is an insurance company rating service called A.M. Best that keeps tab on which insurance carriers promptly settle their claims. It lists customer-satisfaction ratings. It also lists insurance carriers' financial strength. AM Best can be accessed on-line. It's helpful to have this info. when you're making a purchasing decision on a new policy. By comparing your premium rate-quotes against the A.M. Best ratings, you can really see which company is offering you a good deal on a quality insurance product. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for a free search to find an interior design school near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGm7xiiHLAt780nck0SGShUuUlrMZPvndC43LNtrnXJWgLk/ From lavin at cheqnet.net Sun Oct 19 13:19:36 2008 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Sun Oct 19 13:20:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue and Dennis Lavin To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems HI Ron, and Jim. I checked the speakers, 15.1 ohms on one, and 15.3 ohms on the other lower speaker. Connected them to a Kenwood reciever i have in the shop, they both sound great! I also went back and checked the upper unit's, ok there also. Sooo it must be an amp or trany problem. I did try an external source into the input of the amp, pulling the mute relay, can't really see much improvemet there, so that kind of rules out a bad cartridge in my mind. I have rebuilt a lot of tube equipment over the years, but I just cant pinpoint this problem with the SS amp. Another thought, as per the manual it recomended replacing the output transistoprs as matched pair's, use all with red lettering, or green etc and not to mismatch them. I dont have the "wurlitzer" transistors in it they are supposed to be a substatute for the old numbers wich I dont have in front of me at the moment. Could the wrong power transistors do this ?? I'll go back and get the numbers off the new one's and post them for you to take a look at. I did check the voltages against the manual, but that was this spring, and I dont remember what they were, I took a vacation from this for a whhile and am just getting back to it and have a poor poor memory sometimes !! I'll have to make more note's.... Thanks-Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Rich To: Sue and Dennis Lavin Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems Denny, I don't know either--Got a Service Manual--Should show somewhere in it. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: From: Sue and Dennis Lavin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 10:23 AM HI Ron, I just pulled the front panel off, and I am going to check them out. I'll ohm them out and hook them to another amp and see what it sounds like. I just wonder why the new upper ones are so different from each other in output too, there connected in parrell with the 2 lower units, with a 10mf cap in series with the upper units. I checked the 2 caps, there ok and even subbed 2 new ones with no change. I will report back Dennis. (Jukeboxdenny) . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems > Hi Denny, > Could it be that the speakers are "bad" ? Wurly used different impeadence > speakers for the two channels in earlier models--I don't know if this is > true for that late a model or not. I doubt the transformers are shorted, > as I would think a short would blow the fuse?? > Ron Rich > > --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: > > From: Sue and Dennis Lavin > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 8:35 AM > > HI , I am still fighting sound issues with my 553 amp for the 3600 wurly. > The > problem is it sounds like it has bad speakers ( like voice coils rubbing) > at > moderate to low volume levels. I have replaced the 4 output transistors as > one > was open, and another shorted out when I bought it, the prev owner had > both > speakers connected to just the left channel as the right side was DOA when > I > bought it. I also recaped the power supply, (one cap had lots of A/C > ripple on > the scope, B-) now I had music, but reall poor quality. (Fuses were blowen > when > I first checked out the amp) > > Next I replaced all the wax/ white caps on the pre-amp board, left the > orange > drop caps in place. Replaced a intermitent balance control, it would > actually > make a static noise in the juke when it was playing at high volume levels, > took > me a while to figure out that one ! > Any way it still had the muddy/bad speaker sound to it after all of the > repairs I have done so far. > > So today I tried the NOS pre amp board in it, thought I might have a > better > result with a different board, still sounds poor. > > I have 2 other amps that I have tried in it, not much change in them > either. > > OK, now that I have gone through all that, a thought came into my head, I > wonder if I have a bad output transformer(s) for the speakers ? > > I also had replaced the 2 upper speakers prev with generic units, as the > right > one was dead, and the left was almost dead( no sound , high resistance of > voice > coils) , now the right side is working but at a lower sound level than the > left > one. > > Could the bad transistors and caps in the amp have shorted out the > windings in > the output transformers ? . > > Have not yet done any resistance readings on them , got to get the manual > out I > guess. > > I am almost to the point of parting this thing out, but the mechanical > part > works perfictly, and the cabinet is in pretty good shape yet. > > Guess I am just tired of working on this thing, sorry for the rant and > long > post :-( > > > Dennis. (Jukeboxdenny) > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From johndt3 at verizon.net Sun Oct 19 12:42:07 2008 From: johndt3 at verizon.net (JOHN TAYLOR) Date: Sun Oct 19 13:44:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AY160 Seeburg Tormat unit Message-ID: <48FB8D8E.7000003@verizon.net> I removed the mechanism of an AY160 in order to clean it. The Tormat was badly pitted on the rivets and on the silver plate. Any gold that may have been on the rivets appear to have been long gone, so I brushed them lightly with Emery cloth. The silver bar that ran in the middle was also pitted very badly, and I had to take a wire brush from a rotor tool, and Emory cloth to smooth it out. I then put a light coat of machine oil on the contacts and a silver plate. I'm also concerned about is the alignment of the Tormat. I have Ron Rich's Seeburg mechanism book, but, I haven't been able to find an alignment procedure for the Tormat in it. Can anyone tell me the proper procedure for aligning the Tormat? I guess I'm saying is the cost of replacing the Tormat are trying to locate one is not going to be something that we are likely to want to do. And so I'm hoping this should be a workable solution for a home unit. I could use some suggestions and help on this. Also, after I returned the mechanism to the machine I seem to have developed more problems than I had to start with. I make a selection and it pulls up the record in an entirely different part of the rack. Also, if I mechanically tripped the record it puts it back and goes on to scan for the next one. If I allow the tonearm to cancel the record it puts the record back and then brings it back up again. Putting the record back and bringing it back up again is what the machine was doing originally,-only it would do it regardless of how the mechanism was tripped, mechanically or if the tonearm rejected it. As you can say I probably cause more problems than I had fixed. I'm currently reading through Ron's book in order to get a clear understanding of the sequence of operations before I go back and tackle this jukebox again. I'm really concerned about the Tormat unit, the alignment procedure, and anything that I may have done to cause it to start selecting the wrong selections. I am open to any and all suggestions, instructions, lectures,-anything that will help me get a handle on this. John From jeremy at dwave.net Sun Oct 19 14:06:06 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sun Oct 19 14:07:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AY160 Seeburg Tormat unit In-Reply-To: <48FB8D8E.7000003@verizon.net> References: <48FB8D8E.7000003@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20081019210056.M51856@dwave.net> Hi John, You didn't mention if you had the factory service manual. I am certain that Ron's excellent book (yes I have one) is meant to be an addition to the factory manual - not a replacement. The factory manual has the tormat adjustment and the contact block adjustment. You know if you have the adjustment close when it selects a record one space off (left or right). Jeremy Agema On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:42:07 -0400, JOHN TAYLOR wrote > I removed the mechanism of an AY160 in order to clean it. The Tormat > was badly pitted on the rivets and on the silver plate. Any gold > that may have been on the rivets appear to have been long gone, so I > brushed them lightly with Emery cloth. The silver bar that ran in > the middle was also pitted very badly, and I had to take a wire > brush from a rotor tool, and Emory cloth to smooth it out. I then > put a light coat of machine oil on the contacts and a silver plate. > > I'm also concerned about is the alignment of the Tormat. I have Ron > Rich's Seeburg mechanism book, but, I haven't been able to find an > alignment procedure for the Tormat in it. Can anyone tell me the > proper procedure for aligning the Tormat? I guess I'm saying is the > cost of replacing the Tormat are trying to locate one is not going > to be something that we are likely to want to do. And so I'm hoping > this should be a workable solution for a home unit. I could use > some suggestions and help on this. > > Also, after I returned the mechanism to the machine I seem to have > developed more problems than I had to start with. I make a > selection and it pulls up the record in an entirely different part > of the rack. Also, if I mechanically tripped the record it puts it > back and goes on to scan for the next one. If I allow the tonearm > to cancel the record it puts the record back and then brings it back > up again. Putting the record back and bringing it back up again is > what the machine was doing originally,-only it would do it > regardless of how the mechanism was tripped, mechanically or if the > tonearm rejected it. As you can say I probably cause more problems > than I had fixed. > > I'm currently reading through Ron's book in order to get a clear > understanding of the sequence of operations before I go back and > tackle this jukebox again. I'm really concerned about the Tormat > unit, the alignment procedure, and anything that I may have done to > cause it to start selecting the wrong selections. > > I am open to any and all suggestions, instructions, lectures, > -anything that will help me get a handle on this. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Oct 19 15:12:07 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Oct 19 15:14:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems Message-ID: <20081019.181207.24869.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Hello, Sue and Dennis: To answer your questions: The test you made with the Kenwood receiver vindicates the jukebox speakers and wiring. Another test you may want to try would be to route the Kenwood's 8 ohm audio through the output transformer panel, then onto the speakers. This would verify the transformer condition if you think they are suspect. Having dis-similar, mismatched transistor pairs installed in amp channel can cause distortion. Especially critical in driver and output stages. Transistors that are marked with a color dot indicates the beta characteristics (gain?) of the transistor. At the time of manufacture, transistors are assembled, then tested for performance. A performance classification (color dot) gets assigned at that time. If it's possible,matched transistors (same color) provide the best performance. It's usually not a big problem causer if mismatched color transistors of the correct part number are installed in a circuit. I know that Wurlitzer went to the use of a direct coupled amplifier design sometime in the early 70's. I believe it began with amplifier # 553,(model 3700,3800) but I could be wrong. With the direct coupled design, any "problem" ocurring in the early stages of the amp are passed onto the output stage. This is what usually causes a DC offset condition. The earlier impedance-coupled amplifiers are more forgiving and are easier to service in this regard. The direct coupled amp design offers superior sound quality. If you have one of the early direct coupled amps, there were some field service bulletins that were issued to address some circuit instability problems. I believe these affected amp models 553 thru 556. I'll be glad to copy these docs to you if you need them. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for a free search to find an interior design school near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGm70jA9aDaWJ71QQ7q7RAa6WEePouoWrvvaqaPImaaoz6W/ From aaron at vertasource.com Sun Oct 19 16:18:41 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Sun Oct 19 16:16:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 credit unit Message-ID: <200810191918607.SM04236@[192.168.1.206]> Thanks Ron. I thought so. I'm going to have to come up with a work-around to get all three bulbs to come on when a coin is deposited. It's just how I remember it as a kid. The first few letters of "Select" are nice and bright, but the rest just fade out into the bowels of the plastic. Yuck! I've also rediscovered what I had known for quite some time. Rock-Ola manuals are really limiting as to what they tell you. For example...and this one has puzzled me for 40 years.... under the dome and right behind the 5 program select buttons, there are the banks of switch contacts for the program buttons contained in a metal box. On the 1475, there are five switches... each are labeled "STD" and "EP", and under are corresponding numbers like "1-40", etc. What are these switches used for? I can't find anything in the manual about them other than the fact that there are there. Aaron. From david44tn at yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 17:02:02 2008 From: david44tn at yahoo.com (David Cooke) Date: Sun Oct 19 17:09:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Logic and Mechanical Boards Message-ID: <161508.27167.qm@web52909.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'm searching for the Logic (53560-A)?and Mechanical Board (52245-A) for a Rockola 481. I believe these boards from a 478,480,481 and 488 are the same. Any help would be very appreciated. Thanks. ? David __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 17:29:41 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Oct 19 17:30:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 credit unit In-Reply-To: <200810191918607.SM04236@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <13388.81599.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Aaron, Are you saying that all three lamps are in the same enclosure--not three different enclosures? STD is "Standard price" , EP is "Extended Play", which would charge the higher price, needing the DCU option, to do so --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 credit unit To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 4:18 PM Thanks Ron. I thought so. I'm going to have to come up with a work-around to get all three bulbs to come on when a coin is deposited. It's just how I remember it as a kid. The first few letters of "Select" are nice and bright, but the rest just fade out into the bowels of the plastic. Yuck! I've also rediscovered what I had known for quite some time. Rock-Ola manuals are really limiting as to what they tell you. For example...and this one has puzzled me for 40 years.... under the dome and right behind the 5 program select buttons, there are the banks of switch contacts for the program buttons contained in a metal box. On the 1475, there are five switches... each are labeled "STD" and "EP", and under are corresponding numbers like "1-40", etc. What are these switches used for? I can't find anything in the manual about them other than the fact that there are there. Aaron. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lavin at cheqnet.net Sun Oct 19 17:40:48 2008 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Sun Oct 19 17:41:55 2008 Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems References: <20081019.181207.24869.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <08F73AA92F8D4D3DBB9EEF8E9856BA27@dennis38rxl3bv> HI Jim, yes it is a 553 amp. I did swap out the pre amp, with one that was supposed to be "new old stock" but it did not cure the problem. Boy, I sure would like any updates you have, that would be great! I will have to wait a few days to get back to this juke as I still have my day job so I can't play with this as much during the week, but I think I will try the audio onto the transformers from the Kenwood like you mentioned previously. BTW, the 4 new transistors are all the same (ECG121) in the amp now. wonder if there is a better sub for the originals ?? If you can ,email them here (jukeboxdenny@yahoo.com) or (lavin@cheqnet.net) that will be fine. If email is a problem contact me off list and I will give you my postal address. Thanks-Dennis. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 5:12 PM Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems > > Hello, Sue and Dennis: > To answer your questions: > The test you made with the Kenwood receiver vindicates the jukebox > speakers and wiring. Another test you may want to try would be to route > the Kenwood's 8 ohm audio through the output transformer panel, then onto > the speakers. This would verify the transformer condition if you think > they are suspect. > Having dis-similar, mismatched transistor pairs installed in amp channel > can cause distortion. Especially critical in driver and output stages. > Transistors that are marked with a color dot indicates the beta > characteristics (gain?) of the transistor. At the time of manufacture, > transistors are assembled, then tested for performance. A performance > classification (color dot) gets assigned at that time. If it's > possible,matched transistors (same color) provide the best performance. > It's usually not a big problem causer if mismatched color transistors of > the correct part number are installed in a circuit. > I know that Wurlitzer went to the use of a direct coupled amplifier design > sometime in the early 70's. I believe it began with amplifier # > 553,(model 3700,3800) but I could be wrong. With the direct coupled > design, any "problem" ocurring in the early stages of the amp are passed > onto the output stage. This is what usually causes a DC offset > condition. The earlier impedance-coupled amplifiers are more forgiving > and are easier to service in this regard. The direct > coupled amp design offers superior sound quality. If you have one of > the early direct coupled amps, there were some field service bulletins > that were issued to address some circuit instability problems. I > believe these affected amp models 553 thru 556. I'll be glad to copy these > docs to you if you need them. > Hope this helps, > Jim Alexander > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here for a free search to find an interior design school near you. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGm70jA9aDaWJ71QQ7q7RAa6WEePouoWrvvaqaPImaaoz6W/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From aaron at vertasource.com Sun Oct 19 19:17:34 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Sun Oct 19 19:14:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 credit unit Message-ID: <200810192217497.SM03184@[192.168.1.206]> AH HA! Ok Ron! I had a feeling that's what the abbreviations stood for, but I couldn't figure out what the connection would be between the 5 program banks and the other pricing unit. It makes perfect sense now. And the one clue I found in the "Stereo" supplemental manual proves it out. As a kid, I always wondered why one of the three program select buttons on my 1468 said "STEREO." I never understood why one section would be set aside for records like that. I thought that every record ever made was in stereo, but as a little kid of 5 years old, who the heck knew what MONO was or how cool it was to experience the "stereo" effect. Eventually, I thought that when you pressed that "STEREO" program button, something switched inside the amp and would make all the records sound better than what the jukebox was normally doing. Of course, it never happened. The amp was a mono amp, and only one speaker of the two in the cabinet ever worked! So I was left wondering about that my entire life. When I looked over the 1475's supplemental manual, there's a section in there listing all of the "stereo" parts of the jukebox, and it specifically calls your attention to the "STEREO" program button. So what you said about an alternate pricing unit for long play...or "stereo" records makes perfect sense now. If you got one of the 5 program banks loaded with something special - long play or EP records...or even "stereo" records, you can switch in the special pricing unit for that particular bank of records from those 5 switches in order to charge more to hear the record. How cool is that!! But to answer your question, all three of the bulbs are sitting in the same housing - arranged in a triangle. All share a common hot (or neutral) connected with two jumper wires, and each bulb has an individual wire running to its respective socket. I was going to try and trace each wire but they're buried in the wiring harness. The three bulbs are 44s. Aaron From nheckley at telus.net Mon Oct 20 08:15:37 2008 From: nheckley at telus.net (norm) Date: Sun Oct 19 21:32:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Output Transformer Number Message-ID: <01a001c932c6$b4f46a00$4101a8c0@domain.invalid> Can anyone tell me what this transformer is from ? The two numbers on it are 83-313-000 and 606143 . From pinball at telus.net Sun Oct 19 22:00:01 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Oct 19 22:01:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Output Transformer Number In-Reply-To: <01a001c932c6$b4f46a00$4101a8c0@domain.invalid> References: <01a001c932c6$b4f46a00$4101a8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: <48FC1051.7050603@telus.net> norm wrote: > Can anyone tell me what this transformer is from ? The two numbers on it are 83-313-000 and 606143 . > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Looks like a Wurlitzer part number "606143". No master list handy to me, but if you check the later manuals it should show up in the parts listing for one or more of them... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jay at west.net Sun Oct 19 22:29:46 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Oct 19 22:29:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Output Transformer Number In-Reply-To: <01a001c932c6$b4f46a00$4101a8c0@domain.invalid> References: <01a001c932c6$b4f46a00$4101a8c0@domain.invalid> Message-ID: <48FC174A.1010705@west.net> norm wrote: > Can anyone tell me what this transformer is from ? The two numbers on it are 83-313-000 and 606143 . 606143 may be an EIA date code. EIA 606 is Woodward-Schumacher, a transformer manufacturer. If this is indeed an EIA code, it would have been made by them in the 43rd week of 1961. This seems most likely, in which case 83-313-000 would most likely be the part number. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From perkinsprima at yahoo.co.uk Mon Oct 20 03:24:21 2008 From: perkinsprima at yahoo.co.uk (glyn morgan) Date: Mon Oct 20 03:25:34 2008 Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems In-Reply-To: <08F73AA92F8D4D3DBB9EEF8E9856BA27@dennis38rxl3bv> Message-ID: <700985.58572.qm@web25308.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hi when repairing my 553 amp I checked out flippers.com site as it shows all mods done on amp to help it run cooler, my amp was already done & fitted to a 3600. Hope this may be useful. Glyn --- On Mon, 20/10/08, Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: > From: Sue and Dennis Lavin > Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, 20 October, 2008, 1:40 AM > HI Jim, yes it is a 553 amp. > > I did swap out the pre amp, with one that was supposed to > be "new old > stock" but it did not cure the problem. > > Boy, I sure would like any updates you have, that would be > great! > > I will have to wait a few days to get back to this juke as > I still have my > day job so I can't play with this as much during the > week, but I think I > will try the audio onto the transformers from the Kenwood > like you mentioned > previously. > > BTW, the 4 new transistors are all the same (ECG121) in the > amp now. wonder > if there is a better sub for the originals ?? > > If you can ,email them here (jukeboxdenny@yahoo.com) or > (lavin@cheqnet.net) > that will be fine. If email is a problem contact me off > list and I will give > you my postal address. > > Thanks-Dennis. > > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Alexander" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 5:12 PM > Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp > still having > problems > > > > > > Hello, Sue and Dennis: > > To answer your questions: > > The test you made with the Kenwood receiver vindicates > the jukebox > > speakers and wiring. Another test you may want to try > would be to route > > the Kenwood's 8 ohm audio through the output > transformer panel, then onto > > the speakers. This would verify the transformer > condition if you think > > they are suspect. > > Having dis-similar, mismatched transistor pairs > installed in amp channel > > can cause distortion. Especially critical in driver > and output stages. > > Transistors that are marked with a color dot indicates > the beta > > characteristics (gain?) of the transistor. At the > time of manufacture, > > transistors are assembled, then tested for > performance. A performance > > classification (color dot) gets assigned at that time. > If it's > > possible,matched transistors (same color) provide the > best performance. > > It's usually not a big problem causer if > mismatched color transistors of > > the correct part number are installed in a circuit. > > I know that Wurlitzer went to the use of a direct > coupled amplifier design > > sometime in the early 70's. I believe it began > with amplifier # > > 553,(model 3700,3800) but I could be wrong. With > the direct coupled > > design, any "problem" ocurring in the early > stages of the amp are passed > > onto the output stage. This is what usually causes > a DC offset > > condition. The earlier impedance-coupled amplifiers > are more forgiving > > and are easier to service in this regard. > The direct > > coupled amp design offers superior sound quality. > If you have one of > > the early direct coupled amps, there were some field > service bulletins > > that were issued to address some circuit instability > problems. I > > believe these affected amp models 553 thru 556. > I'll be glad to copy these > > docs to you if you need them. > > Hope this helps, > > Jim Alexander > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Click here for a free search to find an interior > design school near you. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGm70jA9aDaWJ71QQ7q7RAa6WEePouoWrvvaqaPImaaoz6W/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From jeffzurn at cox.net Mon Oct 20 07:26:24 2008 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Mon Oct 20 07:27:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Logic and Mechanical Boards References: <161508.27167.qm@web52909.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c932bf$d509a050$80874c09@ZURNT60> try www.jukeboxparts.com - John Durfee Jeff Zurn Arizona Jukebox Company ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Cooke" To: Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Logic and Mechanical Boards I'm searching for the Logic (53560-A) and Mechanical Board (52245-A) for a Rockola 481. I believe these boards from a 478,480,481 and 488 are the same. Any help would be very appreciated. Thanks. David __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 20 07:52:13 2008 From: chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net (chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon Oct 20 08:00:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 442 - how much does it weigh? Message-ID: <601322.33516.qm@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Can anyone tell me how much a Rock-ola 442 (circa 1970) weighs?? I have the dimensions, I just need the weight. ? Thanks, Chad From jeffzurn at cox.net Mon Oct 20 08:13:32 2008 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Mon Oct 20 08:14:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 442 - how much does it weigh? References: <601322.33516.qm@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c932c6$6a41a450$80874c09@ZURNT60> ~ 335 Pounds http://tomszone.com/Rockola.html Jeff Zurn Arizona Jukebox Company ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-ola 442 - how much does it weigh? Can anyone tell me how much a Rock-ola 442 (circa 1970) weighs? I have the dimensions, I just need the weight. Thanks, Chad _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Cill at sympatico.ca Sun Oct 19 15:35:08 2008 From: Cill at sympatico.ca (Bruce in Canada) Date: Mon Oct 20 08:18:20 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi there folks - long time no post.... What can I use to remove old sticker residue? In this case it is from a guitar not a juke, but I am sure the solution would be the same. I am not sure what the exact finish is on the guitar though.... TIA Bruce in Canada From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Oct 20 08:28:36 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Oct 20 08:31:01 2008 Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having probl ems Message-ID: <20081020.112836.8045.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Hello Denny & Sue: Responding to your email. Give me a day or so to go through my old service files to see what info. I have. I also recall someone publishing a list that converts all Wurlitzer transistor numbers to generic numbers. I'll include that, too. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on business schools, $150K/ year potential. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s24g3O2ey5ydN6SjUoSVj8SywBezbvN3I0Ou974wzPitBYi/ From jcl236 at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 08:31:10 2008 From: jcl236 at gmail.com (james lloyd) Date: Mon Oct 20 08:32:20 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would try lighter fluid, I have used it on my guitars and they come out fine. On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Bruce in Canada wrote: > Hi there folks - long time no post.... > > What can I use to remove old sticker residue? In this case it is from a > guitar not a juke, but I am sure the solution would be the same. I am not > sure what the exact finish is on the guitar though.... > > TIA Bruce in Canada > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ccos at knology.net Mon Oct 20 08:37:41 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Oct 20 08:38:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <23E99A907C454A8FB39264E4C45980E8@home31b34d4856> Lighter fluid is also known as Naptha and is excellent in most cases. I would still test in an inconspicuous area though. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "james lloyd" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) >I would try lighter fluid, I have used it on my guitars and they come out >fine. > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Bruce in Canada > wrote: >> Hi there folks - long time no post.... >> >> What can I use to remove old sticker residue? In this case it is from a >> guitar not a juke, but I am sure the solution would be the same. I am not >> sure what the exact finish is on the guitar though.... >> >> TIA Bruce in Canada >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From johndt3 at verizon.net Mon Oct 20 07:42:20 2008 From: johndt3 at verizon.net (JOHN TAYLOR) Date: Mon Oct 20 08:44:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AY160 Seeburg Tormat unit In-Reply-To: <20081019210056.M51856@dwave.net> References: <48FB8D8E.7000003@verizon.net> <20081019210056.M51856@dwave.net> Message-ID: <48FC98CC.1040206@verizon.net> Thanks Jeremy, that's real cute, and no I don't have a factory manual, and be sides how would I know if Ron,s book had that adjustment procedure or not if I didn't look. By the way, he is planning on putting in the next one. Sorry if I ask a question that you might think is stupid. John Jeremy Agema wrote: > Hi John, You didn't mention if you had the factory service manual. I am > certain that Ron's excellent book (yes I have one) is meant to be an > addition to the factory manual - not a replacement. > > The factory manual has the tormat adjustment and the contact block > adjustment. > > You know if you have the adjustment close when it selects a record one space > off (left or right). > > Jeremy Agema > > > > On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:42:07 -0400, JOHN TAYLOR wrote > >> I removed the mechanism of an AY160 in order to clean it. The Tormat >> was badly pitted on the rivets and on the silver plate. Any gold >> that may have been on the rivets appear to have been long gone, so I >> brushed them lightly with Emery cloth. The silver bar that ran in >> the middle was also pitted very badly, and I had to take a wire >> brush from a rotor tool, and Emory cloth to smooth it out. I then >> put a light coat of machine oil on the contacts and a silver plate. >> >> I'm also concerned about is the alignment of the Tormat. I have Ron >> Rich's Seeburg mechanism book, but, I haven't been able to find an >> alignment procedure for the Tormat in it. Can anyone tell me the >> proper procedure for aligning the Tormat? I guess I'm saying is the >> cost of replacing the Tormat are trying to locate one is not going >> to be something that we are likely to want to do. And so I'm hoping >> this should be a workable solution for a home unit. I could use >> some suggestions and help on this. >> >> Also, after I returned the mechanism to the machine I seem to have >> developed more problems than I had to start with. I make a >> selection and it pulls up the record in an entirely different part >> of the rack. Also, if I mechanically tripped the record it puts it >> back and goes on to scan for the next one. If I allow the tonearm >> to cancel the record it puts the record back and then brings it back >> up again. Putting the record back and bringing it back up again is >> what the machine was doing originally,-only it would do it >> regardless of how the mechanism was tripped, mechanically or if the >> tonearm rejected it. As you can say I probably cause more problems >> than I had fixed. >> >> I'm currently reading through Ron's book in order to get a clear >> understanding of the sequence of operations before I go back and >> tackle this jukebox again. I'm really concerned about the Tormat >> unit, the alignment procedure, and anything that I may have done to >> cause it to start selecting the wrong selections. >> >> I am open to any and all suggestions, instructions, lectures, >> -anything that will help me get a handle on this. >> >> John >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Oct 20 08:44:43 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Oct 20 08:47:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AY160 Seeburg Tormat unit Message-ID: <20081020.114443.8045.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> The problem you are having with a Seeburg mech rejecting and pulling up the same record to play again is usually caused by a cancel solenoid pin (located behind the turntable) not opening and closing correctly. Sometimes this is called the warped record detector. It's purpose is not let the mechanism travel if there is a warped record hung up between the mech and the record rack. This adjustment is covered in the "mech adjustments" section of your service manual. It shouldn't make any difference if the record reject function is triggered by the tone arm or the cancel button. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ It's never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vdf93M6B1OFYltNYB2TnsdbRytSNrdLk62ssnATDM25Hf5s/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 08:48:53 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Oct 20 08:49:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <60563.31088.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bruce, Test WD-40 on it. BTW, that's the ONLY use? have ever found for that product--Ron Rich --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Bruce in Canada wrote: From: Bruce in Canada Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) To: "jukes" Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 3:35 PM Hi there folks - long time no post.... What can I use to remove old sticker residue? In this case it is from a guitar not a juke, but I am sure the solution would be the same. I am not sure what the exact finish is on the guitar though.... TIA Bruce in Canada _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 09:11:12 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Oct 20 09:12:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 credit unit In-Reply-To: <200810192217497.SM03184@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <716393.30343.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Aaron, Remove all three lamps, and take a flashlight and shine it thru the lamp "holes". See if there is something other than the word "select" under there (I suspect there iz). Ron Rich --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 credit unit To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 7:17 PM AH HA! Ok Ron! I had a feeling that's what the abbreviations stood for, but I couldn't figure out what the connection would be between the 5 program banks and the other pricing unit. It makes perfect sense now. And the one clue I found in the "Stereo" supplemental manual proves it out. As a kid, I always wondered why one of the three program select buttons on my 1468 said "STEREO." I never understood why one section would be set aside for records like that. I thought that every record ever made was in stereo, but as a little kid of 5 years old, who the heck knew what MONO was or how cool it was to experience the "stereo" effect. Eventually, I thought that when you pressed that "STEREO" program button, something switched inside the amp and would make all the records sound better than what the jukebox was normally doing. Of course, it never happened. The amp was a mono amp, and only one speaker of the two in the cabinet ever worked! So I was left wondering about that my entire life. When I looked over the 1475's supplemental manual, there's a section in there listing all of the "stereo" parts of the jukebox, and it specifically calls your attention to the "STEREO" program button. So what you said about an alternate pricing unit for long play...or "stereo" records makes perfect sense now. If you got one of the 5 program banks loaded with something special - long play or EP records...or even "stereo" records, you can switch in the special pricing unit for that particular bank of records from those 5 switches in order to charge more to hear the record. How cool is that!! But to answer your question, all three of the bulbs are sitting in the same housing - arranged in a triangle. All share a common hot (or neutral) connected with two jumper wires, and each bulb has an individual wire running to its respective socket. I was going to try and trace each wire but they're buried in the wiring harness. The three bulbs are 44s. Aaron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From johndt3 at verizon.net Mon Oct 20 09:19:23 2008 From: johndt3 at verizon.net (JOHN TAYLOR) Date: Mon Oct 20 09:20:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AY160 Seeburg Tormat unit In-Reply-To: <20081020.114443.8045.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081020.114443.8045.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <48FCAF8B.2030306@verizon.net> Thanks James, I'll Check the safety plunger again, but I cleaned and oiled the mech with the correct machine oil. I don't understand why it makes a difference how I reject the record either, but it does. Maybe I need to do it a few more time to be sure. I was asking about the Tormat memory unit alignment procedure, hoping someone would tell me so that I wouldn't have to keep fooling with it in order to get it right. The Jukebox is giving me more problems since I washed it and put it back together. When I make a selection it's rejecting the record and it's selecting a record that's nowhere near the selection I made. I'm beginning to think that I may have gotten something wet and it shorting in the cable or some other place. I did blow the mechanism often let it dry thoroughly in the sun before lubricating it. If I had read Ron's book first I would've realized that it would probably have been better to oil it before blasting it with a degreaser and then water before lubricating it again after it dried. Anyway, it's too late for that now. Thanks for your input, I'm searching this list, the Seeburg lists, and the Web to gather as much information I can before I go back to the jukebox. by the way of if you happen to know the alignment procedure of the TMU since I don't have the manual, would you mind sharing it with me James Alexander wrote: > > The problem you are having with a Seeburg mech rejecting and pulling up the same record to play again is usually caused by a cancel solenoid pin (located behind the turntable) not opening and closing correctly. > Sometimes this is called the warped record detector. It's purpose is not let the mechanism travel if there is a warped record hung up between the mech and the record rack. This adjustment is covered in the "mech adjustments" section of your service manual. It shouldn't make any difference if the record reject function is triggered by the tone arm or the cancel button. > Jim Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > It's never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vdf93M6B1OFYltNYB2TnsdbRytSNrdLk62ssnATDM25Hf5s/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Oct 20 09:17:58 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Oct 20 09:20:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: tech help w/ Rock Ola 1448 select sys Message-ID: <20081020.121758.8045.3@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Hi: I'd like to offer a thanks to all who offered advice to help me troubleshoot these problems. It turns out that: A microswitch in the rotating title drum has failed. This is causing the wrong numbers to play when selected. In the coin/credit chassis, someone has modified the circuit incorrectly. The pop meter in this machine is installed in place, but has been disengaged for a long time. The meter assembly is rusty. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4t3HXKMbZyKa2iz1O4LBuXYw0yozYHd0Ng3HBhMJulg4aDjY/ From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Oct 20 10:32:26 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Mon Oct 20 10:29:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 Pilaster Foil Message-ID: <200810201332702.SM02620@[192.168.1.206]> Found a source for the mech cover on the Tempo 1...but what about the textured blue foil that's wrapped around the front pilasters of the jukebox. I've seen a great many photos on the web of restored Tempos, and I find it hard to believe that those jukeboxes had A-1 perfect foil to begin with. Mine has the dents and gouges that one would expect on this model just from normal wear and tear of people kicking it...or banging into it with a chair, etc.. As usual, nothing in the manual about the stuff or how it's attached to the pilasters. Is there a source for this foil as a repro...especially across the pond? Aaron From ccos at knology.net Mon Oct 20 10:42:29 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Oct 20 10:43:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: OK Ron, Your picking on me is working....somewhat....hehehe. I've been reading your and Tony's manuals, so careful all, the sky may be falling !!! I am still on this STD160, trying to resolve the issues that developed for these folks after they dropped the machine. Using your Microlog book, and then Tony's Black & Gray Box book, I have determined that I am missing the Data D channel. My symtoms exactly match Tony's chart on page 99 of his book. Here's my problem. I am getting in a bit deep here and am not sure what that means to me. I am wanting to say that I need to replace the Gray box. (Tony, feel free to chime in since I'm talking about your book after all, but I'm mostly just paying homage to Ron here for babying me through this disaster thus far....hehehe.) (Any of you other's watching this thread, should chuckle .........Ron's making me do my homewhork much as a parent refuses to tell a child all the answers....LOL) Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 10:59:26 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Oct 20 11:00:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <140200.86998.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Karl, Usinng my TBL shooting guide proceedure #4 --does it point to the DRD? If so, I suspect a plug problem, as "dropping" the phono should not cause a DRD problem. Contact me "off line" if you would like me to check out the DRD for you-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 10/20/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 10:42 AM OK Ron, Your picking on me is working....somewhat....hehehe. I've been reading your and Tony's manuals, so careful all, the sky may be falling !!! I am still on this STD160, trying to resolve the issues that developed for these folks after they dropped the machine. Using your Microlog book, and then Tony's Black & Gray Box book, I have determined that I am missing the Data D channel. My symtoms exactly match Tony's chart on page 99 of his book. Here's my problem. I am getting in a bit deep here and am not sure what that means to me. I am wanting to say that I need to replace the Gray box. (Tony, feel free to chime in since I'm talking about your book after all, but I'm mostly just paying homage to Ron here for babying me through this disaster thus far....hehehe.) (Any of you other's watching this thread, should chuckle .........Ron's making me do my homewhork much as a parent refuses to tell a child all the answers....LOL) Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ccos at knology.net Mon Oct 20 11:10:42 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Oct 20 11:11:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] STD160 Selection Problems References: <140200.86998.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5D18D277AB6E4B729FBAACCA5FAE0202@home31b34d4856> Ron, I have to admit I haven't THOROUGHLY followed procedure 4, but after reading it, I also decided it was unlikely to be caused by banging the machine around. However, it is possible that my customer unplugged and replugged the boxes with the jukebox powered up. I will make those tests, hopefully shortly, and let you know the results. Thanks, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) > Karl, > Usinng my TBL shooting guide proceedure #4 --does it point to the DRD? > If so, I suspect a plug problem, as "dropping" the phono should not cause > a DRD problem. > Contact me "off line" if you would like me to check out the DRD for you-- > Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 10/20/08, CCOS wrote: > > From: CCOS > Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 10:42 AM > > OK Ron, > > Your picking on me is working....somewhat....hehehe. I've been reading > your > and Tony's manuals, so careful all, the sky may be falling !!! > > I am still on this STD160, trying to resolve the issues that developed for > these folks after they dropped the machine. > > Using your Microlog book, and then Tony's Black & Gray Box book, I have > determined that I am missing the Data D channel. > My symtoms exactly match Tony's chart on page 99 of his book. > > Here's my problem. I am getting in a bit deep here and am not sure what > that means to me. I am wanting to say that I need to replace the Gray box. > > (Tony, feel free to chime in since I'm talking about your book after all, > but I'm mostly just paying homage to Ron here for babying me through this > disaster thus far....hehehe.) > > (Any of you other's watching this thread, should chuckle .........Ron's > making me do my homewhork much as a parent refuses to tell a child all the > answers....LOL) > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S Lumpkin Rd > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706) 507-2963 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From wbabbott at verizon.net Mon Oct 20 11:58:02 2008 From: wbabbott at verizon.net (Britt Abbott) Date: Mon Oct 20 11:59:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <29335261.20859991224529082936.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> GOOF OFF ... I believe that's the name. Comes in a small can like lighter fluid. This is a true "glue solvent/remover" an typically won't damage the underlying finish. Britt Chesapeake, VA On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:31 AM, james lloyd wrote: > I would try lighter fluid, I have used it on my guitars and they come > out fine. > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Bruce in Canada > wrote: >> Hi there folks - long time no post.... >> >> What can I use to remove old sticker residue? In this case it is from >> a >> guitar not a juke, but I am sure the solution would be the same. I am >> not >> sure what the exact finish is on the guitar though.... >> >> TIA Bruce in Canada >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 12:17:55 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Mon Oct 20 12:19:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3154d3690810201217k5d815f8bxa9427a4629c4b8e1@mail.gmail.com> Hi Bruce - how are ya! Jens On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Bruce in Canada wrote: > Hi there folks - long time no post.... > > What can I use to remove old sticker residue? In this case it is from a > guitar not a juke, but I am sure the solution would be the same. I am not > sure what the exact finish is on the guitar though.... > > TIA Bruce in Canada > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 12:35:20 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Oct 20 12:36:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <29335261.20859991224529082936.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <721073.73625.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Britt, I have "Goof Off" , and also "Goo Gone", both. I find that the WD-40, works, sometimes,?where either of those won't--and I dislike the WD for anything else? ?? --Ron Rich --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Britt Abbott wrote: From: Britt Abbott Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 11:58 AM GOOF OFF ... I believe that's the name. Comes in a small can like lighter fluid. This is a true "glue solvent/remover" an typically won't damage the underlying finish. Britt Chesapeake, VA On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:31 AM, james lloyd wrote: > I would try lighter fluid, I have used it on my guitars and they come > out fine. > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Bruce in Canada > wrote: >> Hi there folks - long time no post.... >> >> What can I use to remove old sticker residue? In this case it is from >> a >> guitar not a juke, but I am sure the solution would be the same. I am >> not >> sure what the exact finish is on the guitar though.... >> >> TIA Bruce in Canada >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ccos at knology.net Mon Oct 20 12:38:49 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Oct 20 12:39:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] STD160 Selection Problems References: <140200.86998.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <5D18D277AB6E4B729FBAACCA5FAE0202@home31b34d4856> Message-ID: Well Ron, I've done the tests in Chart 4 of your book and here's what I find: J3104: #4 - Check #5 - Check #6 - 121 Only (not 111) #7 - No scan J3101: #6 now picks up 111 as it is supposed to, and #7 got #100 (at first, now #7 doesn't scan again). I can not get pin 7 to scan in any of the tests now. I seem to have a combination of the suspected faults noted in chart 4, do I not? Thanks, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "CCOS" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:10 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] STD160 Selection Problems > Ron, > > I have to admit I haven't THOROUGHLY followed procedure 4, but after > reading it, I also decided it was unlikely to be caused by banging the > machine around. However, it is possible that my customer unplugged and > replugged the boxes with the jukebox powered up. > > I will make those tests, hopefully shortly, and let you know the results. > Thanks, > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S Lumpkin Rd > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706) 507-2963 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 1:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) > > >> Karl, >> Usinng my TBL shooting guide proceedure #4 --does it point to the DRD? >> If so, I suspect a plug problem, as "dropping" the phono should not cause >> a DRD problem. >> Contact me "off line" if you would like me to check out the DRD for you-- >> Ron Rich >> >> --- On Mon, 10/20/08, CCOS wrote: >> >> From: CCOS >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 10:42 AM >> >> OK Ron, >> >> Your picking on me is working....somewhat....hehehe. I've been reading >> your >> and Tony's manuals, so careful all, the sky may be falling !!! >> >> I am still on this STD160, trying to resolve the issues that developed >> for >> these folks after they dropped the machine. >> >> Using your Microlog book, and then Tony's Black & Gray Box book, I have >> determined that I am missing the Data D channel. >> My symtoms exactly match Tony's chart on page 99 of his book. >> >> Here's my problem. I am getting in a bit deep here and am not sure what >> that means to me. I am wanting to say that I need to replace the Gray >> box. >> >> (Tony, feel free to chime in since I'm talking about your book after all, >> but I'm mostly just paying homage to Ron here for babying me through this >> disaster thus far....hehehe.) >> >> (Any of you other's watching this thread, should chuckle .........Ron's >> making me do my homewhork much as a parent refuses to tell a child all >> the >> answers....LOL) >> >> Karl >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >> 2061 S Lumpkin Rd >> Columbus, GA 31903 >> (706) 507-2963 >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 12:49:31 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Oct 20 12:50:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] STD160 Selection Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <194620.19138.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Karl, Since you got pin # 7 to pick selection 100, once, try selecting #144, and #244 from the DES, with evrything plugged in--let me know?what #?it picks, or? if it picks nothing-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 10/20/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] STD160 Selection Problems To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 12:38 PM Well Ron, I've done the tests in Chart 4 of your book and here's what I find: J3104: #4 - Check #5 - Check #6 - 121 Only (not 111) #7 - No scan J3101: #6 now picks up 111 as it is supposed to, and #7 got #100 (at first, now #7 doesn't scan again). I can not get pin 7 to scan in any of the tests now. I seem to have a combination of the suspected faults noted in chart 4, do I not? Thanks, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "CCOS" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:10 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] STD160 Selection Problems > Ron, > > I have to admit I haven't THOROUGHLY followed procedure 4, but after > reading it, I also decided it was unlikely to be caused by banging the > machine around. However, it is possible that my customer unplugged and > replugged the boxes with the jukebox powered up. > > I will make those tests, hopefully shortly, and let you know the results. > Thanks, > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S Lumpkin Rd > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706) 507-2963 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 1:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) > > >> Karl, >> Usinng my TBL shooting guide proceedure #4 --does it point to the DRD? >> If so, I suspect a plug problem, as "dropping" the phono should not cause >> a DRD problem. >> Contact me "off line" if you would like me to check out the DRD for you-- >> Ron Rich >> >> --- On Mon, 10/20/08, CCOS wrote: >> >> From: CCOS >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 10:42 AM >> >> OK Ron, >> >> Your picking on me is working....somewhat....hehehe. I've been reading >> your >> and Tony's manuals, so careful all, the sky may be falling !!! >> >> I am still on this STD160, trying to resolve the issues that developed >> for >> these folks after they dropped the machine. >> >> Using your Microlog book, and then Tony's Black & Gray Box book, I have >> determined that I am missing the Data D channel. >> My symtoms exactly match Tony's chart on page 99 of his book. >> >> Here's my problem. I am getting in a bit deep here and am not sure what >> that means to me. I am wanting to say that I need to replace the Gray >> box. >> >> (Tony, feel free to chime in since I'm talking about your book after all, >> but I'm mostly just paying homage to Ron here for babying me through this >> disaster thus far....hehehe.) >> >> (Any of you other's watching this thread, should chuckle .........Ron's >> making me do my homewhork much as a parent refuses to tell a child all >> the >> answers....LOL) >> >> Karl >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >> 2061 S Lumpkin Rd >> Columbus, GA 31903 >> (706) 507-2963 >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ccos at knology.net Mon Oct 20 13:14:22 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Oct 20 13:15:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] STD160 Selection Problems References: <194620.19138.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <72D4057E47B64EE5BDEC15E4791AF903@home31b34d4856> I went and double checked, but I already knew the answer to that from using the DRD chart in your book: 100 & 110 play nothing (actually, nothing with a "0" as the third digit will scan), 122 and 133 play fine, 144 (and 244) plays 133 (and 233), 155 and 166 aqre good, 177 plays 111 (7's revert to 1's) 178 plays 118 (7 reverts to 1) 179 plays 112 (7 reverts to 1 and 9 reverts to 2) Knowing this info, I realized I can predict any number I wish to play, exactly which wrong number will be selected. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] STD160 Selection Problems Karl, Since you got pin # 7 to pick selection 100, once, try selecting #144, and #244 from the DES, with evrything plugged in--let me know what # it picks, or if it picks nothing-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 10/20/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] STD160 Selection Problems To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 12:38 PM Well Ron, I've done the tests in Chart 4 of your book and here's what I find: J3104: #4 - Check #5 - Check #6 - 121 Only (not 111) #7 - No scan J3101: #6 now picks up 111 as it is supposed to, and #7 got #100 (at first, now #7 doesn't scan again). I can not get pin 7 to scan in any of the tests now. I seem to have a combination of the suspected faults noted in chart 4, do I not? Thanks, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "CCOS" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:10 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] STD160 Selection Problems > Ron, > > I have to admit I haven't THOROUGHLY followed procedure 4, but after > reading it, I also decided it was unlikely to be caused by banging the > machine around. However, it is possible that my customer unplugged and > replugged the boxes with the jukebox powered up. > > I will make those tests, hopefully shortly, and let you know the results. > Thanks, > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S Lumpkin Rd > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706) 507-2963 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 1:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) > > >> Karl, >> Usinng my TBL shooting guide proceedure #4 --does it point to the DRD? >> If so, I suspect a plug problem, as "dropping" the phono should not cause >> a DRD problem. >> Contact me "off line" if you would like me to check out the DRD for you-- >> Ron Rich >> >> --- On Mon, 10/20/08, CCOS wrote: >> >> From: CCOS >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 10:42 AM >> >> OK Ron, >> >> Your picking on me is working....somewhat....hehehe. I've been reading >> your >> and Tony's manuals, so careful all, the sky may be falling !!! >> >> I am still on this STD160, trying to resolve the issues that developed >> for >> these folks after they dropped the machine. >> >> Using your Microlog book, and then Tony's Black & Gray Box book, I have >> determined that I am missing the Data D channel. >> My symtoms exactly match Tony's chart on page 99 of his book. >> >> Here's my problem. I am getting in a bit deep here and am not sure what >> that means to me. I am wanting to say that I need to replace the Gray >> box. >> >> (Tony, feel free to chime in since I'm talking about your book after all, >> but I'm mostly just paying homage to Ron here for babying me through this >> disaster thus far....hehehe.) >> >> (Any of you other's watching this thread, should chuckle .........Ron's >> making me do my homewhork much as a parent refuses to tell a child all >> the >> answers....LOL) >> >> Karl >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >> 2061 S Lumpkin Rd >> Columbus, GA 31903 >> (706) 507-2963 >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Oct 20 14:00:15 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Oct 20 14:03:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 Pilaster Foil Message-ID: <20081020.170015.13049.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Hi Aaron: Sorry I don't know of anyone that is offering a repro version of the blue Rock ola foil, either locally or abroad. I'd suggest contacting John Durfee at Durfee Coin-Op in Orange MA. This is a jukebox parts salvage operation. They might have the original product. Durfee Coin Op PH 978 544 3800 FAX 978 544 8250 web: www.jukeboxparts.com email: durfee@jukeboxparts.com Earlier, you were looking for the 1475 "select" glass. Check out Victory Glass part # 38-6577 This might be what you're looking for. I'm assuming that you've gotten all your Tempo "hybrid" stereo sound questions solved since you've stopped writing me about it. We probably beat that topic to death. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Always home alone? Get a Emergency Alert System. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tTHt7KVpqgXGkxMvKZFceH0PGbylaj66buFtk1KJRPAa4ns/ From lavin at cheqnet.net Mon Oct 20 15:16:20 2008 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Mon Oct 20 15:17:27 2008 Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems References: <20081020.112836.8045.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <1ED158E6CD5D42079C45A496D5D9FDE2@dennis38rxl3bv> Thank you Jim, when ever you get time, it's not going anywhere !! Dennis. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems > > Hello Denny & Sue: > Responding to your email. Give me a day or so to go through my old > service files to see what info. I have. I also recall someone publishing > a list that converts all Wurlitzer transistor numbers to generic numbers. > I'll include that, too. > JIm Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > Click for free info on business schools, $150K/ year potential. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s24g3O2ey5ydN6SjUoSVj8SywBezbvN3I0Ou974wzPitBYi/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Oct 20 18:35:20 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Mon Oct 20 18:32:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 Pilaster Foil Message-ID: <200810202135940.SM04140@[192.168.1.206]> Naw...we can never beat a topic to death, Jim. I'll email you directly about some more things I found. Ron, you were right. There's additional information above and below the word "Select" on the plastic. Something like "5 Cent Coin" and "10 Cent Credit" or words to that effect. It would be cool to have it light up if a nickel is inserted or likewise, a dime. Doesn't seem practical though. I guess I'll leave that one alone. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander jalexandercc@netzero.net Sent 10/20/2008 5:00:15 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 Pilaster Foil Hi Aaron: Sorry I don't know of anyone that is offering a repro version of the blu e Rock ola foil, either locally or abroad. I'd suggest contacting Joh n Durfee at Durfee Coin-Op in Orange MA. This is a jukebox parts salvage operation. They might have the original product. Durfee Coin Op PH 978 544 3800 FAX 978 544 8250 web: www.jukeboxparts.com email: durfee@jukeboxparts.com Earlier, you were looking for the 1475 "select" glass. Check out Victo ry Glass part # 38-6577 This might be what you're looking for. I'm assuming that you've gotten all your Tempo "hybrid" stereo sound qu estions solved since you've stopped writing me about it. We probably bea t that topic to death. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Always home alone? Get a Emergency Alert System. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tTHt7KVpqgXGkxMvKZFceH0PGbylaj66buFtk1KJRPAa4ns/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 19:46:56 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Oct 20 19:47:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 Pilaster Foil In-Reply-To: <200810202135940.SM04140@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <219506.28895.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Aaron, That's whut I thunked--I also thunked that I seen one or more of the DCU's, and that there was more switching in there whut worked them thar other lamps---If you want, you might contact the "use-u-all suspects" and see if, maybe the happen to have a DCU, for your phono-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 Pilaster Foil To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 6:35 PM Naw...we can never beat a topic to death, Jim. I'll email you directly about some more things I found. Ron, you were right. There's additional information above and below the word "Select" on the plastic. Something like "5 Cent Coin" and "10 Cent Credit" or words to that effect. It would be cool to have it light up if a nickel is inserted or likewise, a dime. Doesn't seem practical though. I guess I'll leave that one alone. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander jalexandercc@netzero.net Sent 10/20/2008 5:00:15 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 Pilaster Foil Hi Aaron: Sorry I don't know of anyone that is offering a repro version of the blu e Rock ola foil, either locally or abroad. I'd suggest contacting Joh n Durfee at Durfee Coin-Op in Orange MA. This is a jukebox parts salvage operation. They might have the original product. Durfee Coin Op PH 978 544 3800 FAX 978 544 8250 web: www.jukeboxparts.com email: durfee@jukeboxparts.com Earlier, you were looking for the 1475 "select" glass. Check out Victo ry Glass part # 38-6577 This might be what you're looking for. I'm assuming that you've gotten all your Tempo "hybrid" stereo sound qu estions solved since you've stopped writing me about it. We probably bea t that topic to death. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Always home alone? Get a Emergency Alert System. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tTHt7KVpqgXGkxMvKZFceH0PGbylaj66buFtk1KJRPAa4ns/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Mon Oct 20 19:54:20 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Mon Oct 20 19:55:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <517032.8874.qm@web54603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Try Lighter Fluid it works great! (not the sythetic kind though.. the real stuff) ? Regards, Tony --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Bruce in Canada wrote: From: Bruce in Canada Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) To: "jukes" Received: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 6:35 PM Hi there folks - long time no post.... What can I use to remove old sticker residue? In this case it is from a guitar not a juke, but I am sure the solution would be the same. I am not sure what the exact finish is on the guitar though.... TIA Bruce in Canada _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Tue Oct 21 04:16:22 2008 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Tue Oct 21 04:17:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 Pilaster Foil Message-ID: <124196.24733.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Aaron, I think the "jukeboxman" in the UK used to sell this item. Here is the website. http://www.thejukeboxman.com/ if not, you could try jukebox world in Germany http://www.jukebox-world.de/index_en.html regards Gary From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 06:07:42 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Tue Oct 21 06:08:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT Motor Message-ID: <963232.70229.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I remember (I think) sometime ago speaker recone came up on the list. I cannot seem to find the discussion in the archives. Does anyone have a positive experience with any company performing this repair? I noticed several companies specialize in vintage speakers. Years ago I used SRS but I don't know if they are still around. The speaker in need is a dynamic type Jensen from a Rock-Ola 1422. The TT motor from this same phonograph is different than other Rock-Ola's of ths vintage (1422) that I have seen. It has mechanically adjustable speed via several spinning centrifugal weights. I've had several 1422's but I do not remember this type motor at all. Perhaps an older model motor or a really bad memory? Thank You all as always. David, in the Geritol Ghetto From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Tue Oct 21 06:29:15 2008 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Tue Oct 21 06:43:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <29335261.20859991224529082936.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> References: <29335261.20859991224529082936.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: I'm sure it's called "Goo Gone", and it works great! Bruce, I know that Canadian Tire carries it, probably in their glue section. Walmart might have it, as would the Home Depots and Rona's. It's never damaged the surface for me. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Britt Abbott Sent: 2008, October, 20 2:58 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) GOOF OFF ... I believe that's the name. Comes in a small can like lighter fluid. This is a true "glue solvent/remover" an typically won't damage the underlying finish. Britt Chesapeake, VA On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:31 AM, james lloyd wrote: > I would try lighter fluid, I have used it on my guitars and they come > out fine. > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Bruce in Canada > wrote: >> Hi there folks - long time no post.... >> >> What can I use to remove old sticker residue? 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From jeremy at dwave.net Mon Oct 20 17:40:51 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue Oct 21 07:59:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AY160 Seeburg Tormat unit In-Reply-To: <48FC98CC.1040206@verizon.net> References: <48FB8D8E.7000003@verizon.net> <20081019210056.M51856@dwave.net> <48FC98CC.1040206@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20081021004001.M54015@dwave.net> Sorry about that John, I didn't mean to poke fun at you. I will email you off list with the procedure. Jeremy Agema On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:42:20 -0400, JOHN TAYLOR wrote > Thanks Jeremy, that's real cute, and no I don't have a factory > manual, and be sides how would I know if Ron,s book had that > adjustment procedure or not if I didn't look. By the way, he is > planning on putting in the next one. Sorry if I ask a question that > you might think is stupid. > > John > > Jeremy Agema wrote: > > Hi John, You didn't mention if you had the factory service manual. I am > > certain that Ron's excellent book (yes I have one) is meant to be an > > addition to the factory manual - not a replacement. > > > > The factory manual has the tormat adjustment and the contact block > > adjustment. > > > > You know if you have the adjustment close when it selects a record one space > > off (left or right). > > > > Jeremy Agema > > > > > > > > On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:42:07 -0400, JOHN TAYLOR wrote > > > >> I removed the mechanism of an AY160 in order to clean it. The Tormat > >> was badly pitted on the rivets and on the silver plate. Any gold > >> that may have been on the rivets appear to have been long gone, so I > >> brushed them lightly with Emery cloth. The silver bar that ran in > >> the middle was also pitted very badly, and I had to take a wire > >> brush from a rotor tool, and Emory cloth to smooth it out. I then > >> put a light coat of machine oil on the contacts and a silver plate. > >> > >> I'm also concerned about is the alignment of the Tormat. I have Ron > >> Rich's Seeburg mechanism book, but, I haven't been able to find an > >> alignment procedure for the Tormat in it. Can anyone tell me the > >> proper procedure for aligning the Tormat? I guess I'm saying is the > >> cost of replacing the Tormat are trying to locate one is not going > >> to be something that we are likely to want to do. And so I'm hoping > >> this should be a workable solution for a home unit. I could use > >> some suggestions and help on this. > >> > >> Also, after I returned the mechanism to the machine I seem to have > >> developed more problems than I had to start with. I make a > >> selection and it pulls up the record in an entirely different part > >> of the rack. Also, if I mechanically tripped the record it puts it > >> back and goes on to scan for the next one. If I allow the tonearm > >> to cancel the record it puts the record back and then brings it back > >> up again. Putting the record back and bringing it back up again is > >> what the machine was doing originally,-only it would do it > >> regardless of how the mechanism was tripped, mechanically or if the > >> tonearm rejected it. As you can say I probably cause more problems > >> than I had fixed. > >> > >> I'm currently reading through Ron's book in order to get a clear > >> understanding of the sequence of operations before I go back and > >> tackle this jukebox again. I'm really concerned about the Tormat > >> unit, the alignment procedure, and anything that I may have done to > >> cause it to start selecting the wrong selections. > >> > >> I am open to any and all suggestions, instructions, lectures, > >> -anything that will help me get a handle on this. > >> > >> John > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu Tue Oct 21 08:15:28 2008 From: Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu (Tyler, Ronald) Date: Tue Oct 21 08:17:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT Motor References: <963232.70229.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I believe it is an older model. I have seen them on 1422s before. ________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of david wendell Sent: Tue 10/21/2008 6:07 AM To: jukebox list Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT Motor Hi, I remember (I think) sometime ago speaker recone came up on the list. I cannot seem to find the discussion in the archives. Does anyone have a positive experience with any company performing this repair? I noticed several companies specialize in vintage speakers. Years ago I used SRS but I don't know if they are still around. The speaker in need is a dynamic type Jensen from a Rock-Ola 1422. The TT motor from this same phonograph is different than other Rock-Ola's of ths vintage (1422) that I have seen. It has mechanically adjustable speed via several spinning centrifugal weights. I've had several 1422's but I do not remember this type motor at all. Perhaps an older model motor or a really bad memory? Thank You all as always. David, in the Geritol Ghetto _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 08:32:32 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Tue Oct 21 08:33:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT Motor In-Reply-To: References: <963232.70229.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690810210832tc106589u60c56889ea5c81e0@mail.gmail.com> Interesting...perhaps an early production 1422? The prewar machines had this type motor, with a speed regulator, mucho better than the regular 14222-26-28 tt motors. Esp good for export, since there is no need for a gear change ;o) Jens On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Tyler, Ronald wrote: > I believe it is an older model. I have seen them on 1422s before. > > > ________________________________ > > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of david wendell > Sent: Tue 10/21/2008 6:07 AM > To: jukebox list > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT Motor > > > > Hi, > > I remember (I think) sometime ago speaker recone came up on the list. I > cannot seem to find the discussion in the archives. Does anyone have a > positive experience with any company performing this repair? I noticed > several companies specialize in vintage speakers. Years ago I used SRS but > I don't know if they are still around. The speaker in need is a dynamic > type Jensen from a Rock-Ola 1422. > > The TT motor from this same phonograph is different than other Rock-Ola's > of ths vintage (1422) that I have seen. It has mechanically adjustable > speed via several spinning centrifugal weights. I've had several 1422's but > I do not remember this type motor at all. Perhaps an older model motor or a > really bad memory? > > Thank You all as always. > > David, in the Geritol Ghetto > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Oct 21 14:12:57 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Oct 21 14:16:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT Motor Message-ID: <20081021.171257.14142.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Hello Dave: You didn't mention where you are located in your letter. Here are the names, addresses of a few speaker reconing servicers that I'm aware of: SRS Enterprises 1851 N Circle Dr. Colorado Springs, CO 80909. PH 719 475 2545 The Speaker Exchange 1250 E. Hillsborough Ave. Tampa, FL 33604 PH 813 237 4800 web: www.speakerex.com email: cathy@speakerex.com cointact: Cathy Satin Sound Remedy 331 Virginia Ave. Collingswood, NJ 08108 PH 856 869 0238 contact: Richard Stamer I've sent my recone work to both # 2 and 3. (I'm near the east coast) I've found that Sound Remedy usually offers the best prices, but it takes longer to turn a repair around. Speaker Exchange is notably faster,if you are in a hurry, but repairs cost more. Good quality work from both firms. Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Click here and choose from thousands of high quality used cars. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4vAOvcj9gdDGZMx5mlcer8aWM6VDa6XyIvGJPibvHqKOKc6X/?count=1234567890 From PhilcoKid2 at cs.com Tue Oct 21 16:29:16 2008 From: PhilcoKid2 at cs.com (PhilcoKid2@cs.com) Date: Tue Oct 21 16:36:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT Motor Message-ID: SRS isn't in business anymore. Regards, Donald From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 17:53:26 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Oct 21 17:54:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT Motor In-Reply-To: <20081021.171257.14142.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <342862.62517.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jim, David is one of the few that mentions his location in EVERY post--he, in fact may be the only one to do so---Ron Rich (Millbrae CA--about 12 miles from San Fransicko) --- On Tue, 10/21/08, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT Motor To: dwaw12@yahoo.com, jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 2:12 PM Hello Dave: You didn't mention where you are located in your letter. Here are the names, addresses of a few speaker reconing servicers that I'm aware of: SRS Enterprises 1851 N Circle Dr. Colorado Springs, CO 80909. PH 719 475 2545 The Speaker Exchange 1250 E. Hillsborough Ave. Tampa, FL 33604 PH 813 237 4800 web: www.speakerex.com email: cathy@speakerex.com cointact: Cathy Satin Sound Remedy 331 Virginia Ave. Collingswood, NJ 08108 PH 856 869 0238 contact: Richard Stamer I've sent my recone work to both # 2 and 3. (I'm near the east coast) I've found that Sound Remedy usually offers the best prices, but it takes longer to turn a repair around. Speaker Exchange is notably faster,if you are in a hurry, but repairs cost more. Good quality work from both firms. Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Click here and choose from thousands of high quality used cars. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4vAOvcj9gdDGZMx5mlcer8aWM6VDa6XyIvGJPibvHqKOKc6X/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 18:26:09 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Tue Oct 21 18:27:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT Motor Message-ID: <319939.26034.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Thanks everyone for all the help on the speaker recone people and the info on the Rock-Ola TT motor. I will check those shops closest to home first for the recone. The list is a great resource! I subscribed to Victory Glass fot the duration that they published, then JB Collector, then Always Jukin. We had a cover picture in Sept 89. with AJ. I can't remeber why we let our subscriptions expire but probably because we started restoring old motocycles/scooters until I got too old to be kick starting those rascal machines. The "Geritol Ghetto" is Sun City, AZ (a retirement community). It is sort of a strannge deal because we actually live across the street from Sun City, in Peoria, AZ, but the post office gives us a Sun City zip code so our address is Sun City. It has great benefits with very low insurance rates on the home and car. Move out of the zip code and the insurance can double! Thanks Again, David (darn close to the Geritol Ghetto) From williams at logantele.com Tue Oct 21 19:31:41 2008 From: williams at logantele.com (Tim) Date: Tue Oct 21 20:02:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: adhesive residue References: <20081021190002.C2DE6AAC05@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <2F98065228734D6FA8451276693B8F0F@studio69> A friend of mine works for 3M adhesives...he says they use baby oil. never tried it myself. > Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:17:55 +0200 > From: "Jens Hultgren" > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Message-ID: > <3154d3690810201217k5d815f8bxa9427a4629c4b8e1@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Bruce - how are ya! > Jens > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Bruce in Canada > wrote: > >> Hi there folks - long time no post.... >> >> What can I use to remove old sticker residue? In this case it is from a >> guitar not a juke, but I am sure the solution would be the same. I am not >> sure what the exact finish is on the guitar though.... >> >> TIA Bruce in Canada From jay at west.net Tue Oct 21 21:10:25 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Oct 21 21:11:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: adhesive residue In-Reply-To: <2F98065228734D6FA8451276693B8F0F@studio69> References: <20081021190002.C2DE6AAC05@lists.netlojix.com> <2F98065228734D6FA8451276693B8F0F@studio69> Message-ID: <48FEA7B1.4070701@west.net> Tim wrote: > A friend of mine works for 3M adhesives...he says they use baby oil. > never tried it myself. If olive oil comes from olives and fish oil comes from fish, where... -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From stamann at jukebox-world.de Tue Oct 21 23:22:42 2008 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Tue Oct 21 23:23:47 2008 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 Pilaster Foil In-Reply-To: <124196.24733.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8B1D5860-19B9-4D87-BC40-3492FD18C1CE@jukebox-world.de> Hello Aaron, the Tempo 1 pilasters are made from aluminium - anodized in a light turquoise colour. The pattern of that aluminium is very unique and almost impossible to be reproduced. >From what I know there had never been any reproductions availabale yet. A Mexican version shows up once in a while but that pattern is different to the original. As the material is soft and thin dents can be removed pretty easily. Kind regards - Oliver Stamann -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Gary Young Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Oktober 2008 13:16 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 Pilaster Foil Hi Aaron, I think the "jukeboxman" in the UK used to sell this item. Here is the website. http://www.thejukeboxman.com/ if not, you could try jukebox world in Germany http://www.jukebox-world.de/index_en.html regards Gary _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Oct 22 05:33:07 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Wed Oct 22 05:30:32 2008 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 Pilaster Foil Message-ID: <200810220833916.SM04676@[192.168.1.206]> Hi Oliver. So you're saying that the entire pilaster is made from that soft aluminum, but it's given that texture when it was made? So there's nothing wrapped around it. Hmmmm... well, that explains why I've seen so many pictures of Tempos with dents in them. At first I though the pilasters were made from a walnut or cheap pine stock. Along the outer edge - where the pilaster curves from the outside of the cabinet inward - I thought that there was some sort of rigid foam or rubber piece that may have been attached to the edge of the wood to give the curve. At that point, the entire piece was wrapped in the foil. It just seemed odd that most of the dents I've ever seen appear right along that front rounded-over section which led me to think of an additional piece. So what's the best way to get the dents out? First thing that pops in my mind is "automotive collision repair" - like a dent puller? I can't even guess as to how it would be done without poking holes in or around the dent and getting some kind of tool in there to work the dent out. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Stamann stamann@jukebox-world.de Sent 10/22/2008 2:22:42 AM To: gazzyoung_uk@yahoo.co.uk gazzyoung_uk@yahoo.co.uk, Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 Pilaster Foil Hello Aaron, the Tempo 1 pilasters are made from aluminium - anodized in a lig ht turquoise colour. The pattern of that aluminium is very unique and almost impossibl e to be reproduced. From what I know there had never been any reproductions availabal e yet. A Mexican version shows up once in a while but that patter n is different to the original. As the material is soft and thin dents can be removed pretty easi ly. Kind regards - Oliver Stamann -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list -bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Gary Young Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Oktober 2008 13:16 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 Pilaster Foil Hi Aaron, I think the "jukeboxman" in the UK used to sell this it em. Here is the website. http://www.thejukeboxman.com/ if not, you could try jukebox world in Germany http://www.jukebox-world.de/index_en.html regards Gary _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From passerby at rocketmail.com Wed Oct 22 05:41:52 2008 From: passerby at rocketmail.com (Nathan Keay) Date: Wed Oct 22 05:49:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: adhesive residue Message-ID: <101224.87469.qm@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I use Bestine. Rubber cement solvent/thinner. You can find it at art stores. PO Box 57210 Chicago, Illinois 60657 (773)398-8368 http://www.nathankeay.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:31:41 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: adhesive residue A friend of mine works for 3M adhesives...he says they use baby oil. never tried it myself. > Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:17:55 +0200 > From: "Jens Hultgren" > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Message-ID: > <3154d3690810201217k5d815f8bxa9427a4629c4b8e1@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Bruce - how are ya! > Jens > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Bruce in Canada > wrote: > >> Hi there folks - long time no post.... >> >> What can I use to remove old sticker residue? In this case it is from a >> guitar not a juke, but I am sure the solution would be the same. I am not >> sure what the exact finish is on the guitar though.... >> >> TIA Bruce in Canada _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 22 05:43:36 2008 From: tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net (Mike Tyler) Date: Wed Oct 22 05:51:26 2008 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 Pilaster Foil Message-ID: <812318.3606.qm@web83706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The material is soft aluminum and can be straightened very easily. However the stamped grooving may be lost in the areas where its straightened. Also a handy alternative to?restoring the often faded anodized finish on these and the matching mech back boards is to use the spray anodize products from Duplicolor. I took the blue and green spray cans and mixed them to match the original color. They came out very nice MRT?????? ----- Original Message ---- From: Aaron Heverin To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:33:07 AM Subject: Re: AW: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 Pilaster Foil Hi Oliver. So you're saying that the entire pilaster is made from that soft aluminum, but it's given that texture when it was made? So there's nothing wrapped around it. Hmmmm... well, that explains why I've seen so many pictures of Tempos with dents in them. At first I though the pilasters were made from a walnut or cheap pine stock. Along the outer edge - where the pilaster curves from the outside of the cabinet inward - I thought that there was some sort of rigid foam or rubber piece that may have been attached to the edge of the wood to give the curve. At that point, the entire piece was wrapped in the foil. It just seemed odd that most of the dents I've ever seen appear right along that front rounded-over section which led me to think of an additional piece. So what's the best way to get the dents out? First thing that pops in my mind is "automotive collision repair" - like a dent puller? I can't even guess as to how it would be done without poking holes in or around the dent and getting some kind of tool in there to work the dent out. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Stamann stamann@jukebox-world.de Sent 10/22/2008 2:22:42 AM To: gazzyoung_uk@yahoo.co.uk gazzyoung_uk@yahoo.co.uk, Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 Pilaster Foil Hello Aaron, the Tempo 1 pilasters are made from aluminium - anodized in a lig ht turquoise colour. The pattern of that aluminium is very unique and almost impossibl e to be reproduced. From what I know there had never been any reproductions availabal e yet. A Mexican version shows up once in a while but that patter n is different to the original. As the material is soft and thin dents can be removed pretty easi ly. Kind regards - Oliver Stamann -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list -bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Gary Young Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Oktober 2008 13:16 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 Pilaster Foil Hi Aaron, I think the "jukeboxman" in the UK used to sell this it em. Here is the website. http://www.thejukeboxman.com/ if not, you could try jukebox world in Germany http://www.jukebox-world.de/index_en.html regards Gary _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Alpine46 at aol.com Wed Oct 22 07:37:14 2008 From: Alpine46 at aol.com (Alpine46@aol.com) Date: Wed Oct 22 07:43:45 2008 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Tempo 1 Pilaster Foil Message-ID: I am probably out on a limb here...but I had hail dents removed from my car at a paintless dent repair shop, and you cannot tell where the original dents were. I wonder if someone was friends with such an establishment that on their off periods such a shop would tackle jukebox items to remove dents? **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211625659x1200715650/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=82&bcd=emailf ooter) From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Oct 22 08:43:55 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Oct 22 08:47:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT Motor Message-ID: <20081022.114355.6403.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Hi Dave: I've seen you refer to the Geritol Ghetto in your emails-----I had no idea where this was. Nice to meet you on the 'net. Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4tyufad6OaUW3zLNVRSlLa5h8hNqIHP6JdDCTKGXPFQkBRCr/?count=1234567890 From johntrav at suddenlink.net Tue Oct 21 18:59:33 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Wed Oct 22 09:31:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT Motor References: <319939.26034.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5FE5D6D169D442BFB5FBAFFAC1BC8190@JOHNTRAV> I work on Indian motorcycles and get my son to kick them over for me. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "david wendell" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT Motor > Hi, > > Thanks everyone for all the help on the speaker recone people and the info > on the Rock-Ola TT motor. I will check those shops closest to home first > for the recone. > > The list is a great resource! > > I subscribed to Victory Glass fot the duration that they published, then > JB Collector, then Always Jukin. We had a cover picture in Sept 89. with > AJ. I can't remeber why we let our subscriptions expire but probably > because we started restoring old motocycles/scooters until I got too old > to be kick starting those rascal machines. > > The "Geritol Ghetto" is Sun City, AZ (a retirement community). It is sort > of a strannge deal because we actually live across the street from Sun > City, in Peoria, AZ, but the post office gives us a Sun City zip code so > our address is Sun City. It has great benefits with very low insurance > rates on the home and car. Move out of the zip code and the insurance can > double! > > Thanks Again, > > David (darn close to the Geritol Ghetto) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ccos at knology.net Wed Oct 22 10:14:41 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Oct 22 10:31:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Too Old To Kick References: <319939.26034.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5FE5D6D169D442BFB5FBAFFAC1BC8190@JOHNTRAV> Message-ID: It must be tough getting old. Karl (who is only 49) Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Travelletti" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT Motor >I work on Indian motorcycles and get my son to kick them over for me. > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david wendell" > To: "jukebox list" > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:26 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT Motor > > >> Hi, >> >> Thanks everyone for all the help on the speaker recone people and the >> info on the Rock-Ola TT motor. I will check those shops closest to home >> first for the recone. >> >> The list is a great resource! >> >> I subscribed to Victory Glass fot the duration that they published, then >> JB Collector, then Always Jukin. We had a cover picture in Sept 89. with >> AJ. I can't remeber why we let our subscriptions expire but probably >> because we started restoring old motocycles/scooters until I got too old >> to be kick starting those rascal machines. >> >> The "Geritol Ghetto" is Sun City, AZ (a retirement community). It is >> sort of a strannge deal because we actually live across the street from >> Sun City, in Peoria, AZ, but the post office gives us a Sun City zip code >> so our address is Sun City. It has great benefits with very low >> insurance rates on the home and car. Move out of the zip code and the >> insurance can double! >> >> Thanks Again, >> >> David (darn close to the Geritol Ghetto) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From johntrav at suddenlink.net Wed Oct 22 10:36:44 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Wed Oct 22 10:42:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Too Old To Kick References: <319939.26034.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com><5FE5D6D169D442BFB5FBAFFAC1BC8190@JOHNTRAV> Message-ID: <9268BB2882364E819D805149BD511D3F@JOHNTRAV> It is, Karl."Old age ain't for sissies". John (almost 74) ----- Original Message ----- From: "CCOS" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Too Old To Kick > It must be tough getting old. > > Karl (who is only 49) > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S Lumpkin Rd > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706) 507-2963 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Travelletti" > To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT Motor > > >>I work on Indian motorcycles and get my son to kick them over for me. >> John >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "david wendell" >> To: "jukebox list" >> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:26 PM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT Motor >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Thanks everyone for all the help on the speaker recone people and the >>> info on the Rock-Ola TT motor. I will check those shops closest to home >>> first for the recone. >>> >>> The list is a great resource! >>> >>> I subscribed to Victory Glass fot the duration that they published, then >>> JB Collector, then Always Jukin. We had a cover picture in Sept 89. >>> with AJ. I can't remeber why we let our subscriptions expire but >>> probably because we started restoring old motocycles/scooters until I >>> got too old to be kick starting those rascal machines. >>> >>> The "Geritol Ghetto" is Sun City, AZ (a retirement community). It is >>> sort of a strannge deal because we actually live across the street from >>> Sun City, in Peoria, AZ, but the post office gives us a Sun City zip >>> code so our address is Sun City. It has great benefits with very low >>> insurance rates on the home and car. Move out of the zip code and the >>> insurance can double! >>> >>> Thanks Again, >>> >>> David (darn close to the Geritol Ghetto) >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 11:51:56 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Wed Oct 22 11:53:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Too Old To Kick In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <616377.84279.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Karl, There are some good things about getting old. I just can't remember any of them at the moment. Actually I have signed up for Social Insecurity and should be getting a check soon if there is anything left. I do kind of regret not being able to go to my own estate sale. David (very close to the Geritol Ghetto) --- On Wed, 10/22/08, CCOS wrote: > From: CCOS > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Too Old To Kick > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 11:14 AM > It must be tough getting old. > > Karl (who is only 49) > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S Lumpkin Rd > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706) 507-2963 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Travelletti" > > To: ; "Jukebox mailing > list" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT > Motor > > > >I work on Indian motorcycles and get my son to kick > them over for me. > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "david wendell" > > > To: "jukebox list" > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:26 PM > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT > Motor > > > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Thanks everyone for all the help on the speaker > recone people and the > >> info on the Rock-Ola TT motor. I will check those > shops closest to home > >> first for the recone. > >> > >> The list is a great resource! > >> > >> I subscribed to Victory Glass fot the duration > that they published, then > >> JB Collector, then Always Jukin. We had a cover > picture in Sept 89. with > >> AJ. I can't remeber why we let our > subscriptions expire but probably > >> because we started restoring old > motocycles/scooters until I got too old > >> to be kick starting those rascal machines. > >> > >> The "Geritol Ghetto" is Sun City, AZ (a > retirement community). It is > >> sort of a strannge deal because we actually live > across the street from > >> Sun City, in Peoria, AZ, but the post office gives > us a Sun City zip code > >> so our address is Sun City. It has great benefits > with very low > >> insurance rates on the home and car. Move out of > the zip code and the > >> insurance can double! > >> > >> Thanks Again, > >> > >> David (darn close to the Geritol Ghetto) > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Wed Oct 22 12:12:43 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Oct 22 12:13:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Too Old To Kick References: <616377.84279.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02100FD967AF4A5D87C92D7D8649E8A4@home31b34d4856> David, I pick on my dad fairly often about his age (73), i.e. "Dad, how do you know when you are REALLY old? When your SON is old." LOL I used to pick on bald people who needed reading glasses, which I no longer do. If anyone is unsure of why I don't, I can 'splain it to em but they'll need to ask me in the next few years or I prolly won't remember....hehehe. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "david wendell" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Too Old To Kick > Karl, > > There are some good things about getting old. I just can't remember any > of them at the moment. Actually I have signed up for Social Insecurity > and should be getting a check soon if there is anything left. I do kind > of regret not being able to go to my own estate sale. > > David (very close to the Geritol Ghetto) > > > --- On Wed, 10/22/08, CCOS wrote: > >> From: CCOS >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Too Old To Kick >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 11:14 AM >> It must be tough getting old. >> >> Karl (who is only 49) >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >> 2061 S Lumpkin Rd >> Columbus, GA 31903 >> (706) 507-2963 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Travelletti" >> >> To: ; "Jukebox mailing >> list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT >> Motor >> >> >> >I work on Indian motorcycles and get my son to kick >> them over for me. >> > John >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "david wendell" >> >> > To: "jukebox list" >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:26 PM >> > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Speaker Recone and Rock-Ola TT >> Motor >> > >> > >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Thanks everyone for all the help on the speaker >> recone people and the >> >> info on the Rock-Ola TT motor. I will check those >> shops closest to home >> >> first for the recone. >> >> >> >> The list is a great resource! >> >> >> >> I subscribed to Victory Glass fot the duration >> that they published, then >> >> JB Collector, then Always Jukin. We had a cover >> picture in Sept 89. with >> >> AJ. I can't remeber why we let our >> subscriptions expire but probably >> >> because we started restoring old >> motocycles/scooters until I got too old >> >> to be kick starting those rascal machines. >> >> >> >> The "Geritol Ghetto" is Sun City, AZ (a >> retirement community). It is >> >> sort of a strannge deal because we actually live >> across the street from >> >> Sun City, in Peoria, AZ, but the post office gives >> us a Sun City zip code >> >> so our address is Sun City. It has great benefits >> with very low >> >> insurance rates on the home and car. Move out of >> the zip code and the >> >> insurance can double! >> >> >> >> Thanks Again, >> >> >> >> David (darn close to the Geritol Ghetto) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> >> >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From ccos at knology.net Wed Oct 22 12:23:38 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Oct 22 12:24:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid Message-ID: Ron (or anyone really), Is the scan solenoid supposed to stay "in" as long as there are credits? I have one that stays in all the time in idle, if credits are established. It knocks off while scanning and on again when hitting the ramp at the end of the scan cycle, as I assume it should, but the wires have been getting hot and the thing buzzes. I have been all through the schematics and can't find anything that turns it off other than the previously mentioned 8M1 switch during scanning. TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 From ccos at knology.net Wed Oct 22 12:26:59 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Oct 22 12:28:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid References: Message-ID: <29EB17A4DD244CFD82CB790BA0BC7F8E@home31b34d4856> P.S. I also noticed that the machine does not scan or stop scanning (with two hits on the switch) manually, in case that is related to my question. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "CCOS" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:23 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid Ron (or anyone really), Is the scan solenoid supposed to stay "in" as long as there are credits? I have one that stays in all the time in idle, if credits are established. It knocks off while scanning and on again when hitting the ramp at the end of the scan cycle, as I assume it should, but the wires have been getting hot and the thing buzzes. I have been all through the schematics and can't find anything that turns it off other than the previously mentioned 8M1 switch during scanning. TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 12:53:38 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Oct 22 12:54:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <285715.44518.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Karl-- RTM--page 5-- If the add coil is energized?being held in, what makes it stop the mech ?? Ron --- On Wed, 10/22/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 12:23 PM Ron (or anyone really), Is the scan solenoid supposed to stay "in" as long as there are credits? I have one that stays in all the time in idle, if credits are established. It knocks off while scanning and on again when hitting the ramp at the end of the scan cycle, as I assume it should, but the wires have been getting hot and the thing buzzes. I have been all through the schematics and can't find anything that turns it off other than the previously mentioned 8M1 switch during scanning. TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 12:57:21 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Oct 22 12:58:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid In-Reply-To: <29EB17A4DD244CFD82CB790BA0BC7F8E@home31b34d4856> Message-ID: <764461.65578.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Now you really have confused me--which "switch are you using--scan start should hold the scan coil energized as long as it's held against the spring, and the same for scan stop switch (only the other coil)". --- On Wed, 10/22/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 12:26 PM P.S. I also noticed that the machine does not scan or stop scanning (with two hits on the switch) manually, in case that is related to my question. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "CCOS" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:23 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid Ron (or anyone really), Is the scan solenoid supposed to stay "in" as long as there are credits? I have one that stays in all the time in idle, if credits are established. It knocks off while scanning and on again when hitting the ramp at the end of the scan cycle, as I assume it should, but the wires have been getting hot and the thing buzzes. I have been all through the schematics and can't find anything that turns it off other than the previously mentioned 8M1 switch during scanning. TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Wed Oct 22 13:13:49 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Oct 22 13:14:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid References: <285715.44518.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, This is why I like newer jukeboxes. I have your Mech manual, and the Reprint S100 Service manual all over my desk now. Been pouring over them and back and forth to the jukebox all afternoon and I'm still scratching my head. I'm using the terminology in the manual. The scan control solenoid is the one that is in the SPU4 in this model, in the DCC in later models, and has a plastic rocker that goes back and forth once for each up and back scan of the mech to allow scan control switch to stay engaged for two complete scan cycles. That solenoid stays energized all the time (when credits are established) and I'm not sure if it is supposed to or not. If it is supposed to, why would the wires to it be hot to the point of smoking and why would it buzz annoyingly? Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid Karl-- RTM--page 5-- If the add coil is energized being held in, what makes it stop the mech ?? Ron --- On Wed, 10/22/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 12:23 PM Ron (or anyone really), Is the scan solenoid supposed to stay "in" as long as there are credits? I have one that stays in all the time in idle, if credits are established. It knocks off while scanning and on again when hitting the ramp at the end of the scan cycle, as I assume it should, but the wires have been getting hot and the thing buzzes. I have been all through the schematics and can't find anything that turns it off other than the previously mentioned 8M1 switch during scanning. TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Wed Oct 22 13:34:36 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Oct 22 13:35:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid References: <764461.65578.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, I was only adding that during this troubleshooting, I just happened to notice that the manual scan switch (spring loaded slide switch on top of credit unit), that is only supposed to operate when the service switch is in the Off position, does not work, in case that is a related issue. Thanks, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid > Now you really have confused me--which "switch are you using--scan start > should hold the scan coil energized as long as it's held against the > spring, and the same for scan stop switch (only the other coil)". > > --- On Wed, 10/22/08, CCOS wrote: > > From: CCOS > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 12:26 PM > > P.S. > > I also noticed that the machine does not scan or stop scanning (with two > hits on the switch) manually, in case that is related to my question. > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S Lumpkin Rd > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706) 507-2963 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CCOS" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:23 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid > > > Ron (or anyone really), > > Is the scan solenoid supposed to stay "in" as long as there are > credits? I > have one that stays in all the time in idle, if credits are established. > It > knocks off while scanning and on again when hitting the ramp at the end of > the scan cycle, as I assume it should, but the wires have been getting hot > and the thing buzzes. I have been all through the schematics and can't > find > > anything that turns it off other than the previously mentioned 8M1 switch > during scanning. TIA, > > > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S Lumpkin Rd > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706) 507-2963 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 13:39:28 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Oct 22 13:40:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <246467.85310.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Karl, That's the scan SUBTRACT Solenoid, and it's controled by the switch that hits the ramp, under the TMU. That switch is probably "stuck closed " probably 'cause someone laid the phono on it's back, without bolting it down CORRECTLY for shipment. See page 35 (8M1) switch adjusment of the Seeburg S-100?Service Manual. Ron --- On Wed, 10/22/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 1:13 PM Ron, This is why I like newer jukeboxes. I have your Mech manual, and the Reprint S100 Service manual all over my desk now. Been pouring over them and back and forth to the jukebox all afternoon and I'm still scratching my head. I'm using the terminology in the manual. The scan control solenoid is the one that is in the SPU4 in this model, in the DCC in later models, and has a plastic rocker that goes back and forth once for each up and back scan of the mech to allow scan control switch to stay engaged for two complete scan cycles. That solenoid stays energized all the time (when credits are established) and I'm not sure if it is supposed to or not. If it is supposed to, why would the wires to it be hot to the point of smoking and why would it buzz annoyingly? Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid Karl-- RTM--page 5-- If the add coil is energized being held in, what makes it stop the mech ?? Ron --- On Wed, 10/22/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 12:23 PM Ron (or anyone really), Is the scan solenoid supposed to stay "in" as long as there are credits? I have one that stays in all the time in idle, if credits are established. It knocks off while scanning and on again when hitting the ramp at the end of the scan cycle, as I assume it should, but the wires have been getting hot and the thing buzzes. I have been all through the schematics and can't find anything that turns it off other than the previously mentioned 8M1 switch during scanning. TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Wed Oct 22 14:07:44 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Oct 22 14:08:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid References: <246467.85310.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0B1CE274FAA5487394FD6AC32CBBC156@home31b34d4856> Nope....checked that already. How do I know it is still adjusted correctly? Aside from the fact that I just looked, it HAS to let off each time the mech leaves it's "park" (as I call it) position or the scan subtract solenoid would never let loose. Well, the scan subtract solenoid does in fact let loose each time the mech scans down and back, but after the last record is played, it still remains energized.......Oh...OH....OH........I think I stumbled on the answer......... Most seeburgs I have seen don't stop exactly on a dime after the last scan but this one does. It doesn't run a few inches the other direction before stopping. Hmmmmmmm......I now have a different problem I don't know the answer to!!! LOLOLOLOLOL. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid Karl, That's the scan SUBTRACT Solenoid, and it's controled by the switch that hits the ramp, under the TMU. That switch is probably "stuck closed " probably 'cause someone laid the phono on it's back, without bolting it down CORRECTLY for shipment. See page 35 (8M1) switch adjusment of the Seeburg S-100 Service Manual. Ron --- On Wed, 10/22/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 1:13 PM Ron, This is why I like newer jukeboxes. I have your Mech manual, and the Reprint S100 Service manual all over my desk now. Been pouring over them and back and forth to the jukebox all afternoon and I'm still scratching my head. I'm using the terminology in the manual. The scan control solenoid is the one that is in the SPU4 in this model, in the DCC in later models, and has a plastic rocker that goes back and forth once for each up and back scan of the mech to allow scan control switch to stay engaged for two complete scan cycles. That solenoid stays energized all the time (when credits are established) and I'm not sure if it is supposed to or not. If it is supposed to, why would the wires to it be hot to the point of smoking and why would it buzz annoyingly? Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid Karl-- RTM--page 5-- If the add coil is energized being held in, what makes it stop the mech ?? Ron --- On Wed, 10/22/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 12:23 PM Ron (or anyone really), Is the scan solenoid supposed to stay "in" as long as there are credits? I have one that stays in all the time in idle, if credits are established. It knocks off while scanning and on again when hitting the ramp at the end of the scan cycle, as I assume it should, but the wires have been getting hot and the thing buzzes. I have been all through the schematics and can't find anything that turns it off other than the previously mentioned 8M1 switch during scanning. TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 15:06:16 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Oct 22 15:07:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid In-Reply-To: <0B1CE274FAA5487394FD6AC32CBBC156@home31b34d4856> Message-ID: <720285.45015.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Real easy--READ page 35 of the SM--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 10/22/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 2:07 PM Nope....checked that already. How do I know it is still adjusted correctly? Aside from the fact that I just looked, it HAS to let off each time the mech leaves it's "park" (as I call it) position or the scan subtract solenoid would never let loose. Well, the scan subtract solenoid does in fact let loose each time the mech scans down and back, but after the last record is played, it still remains energized.......Oh...OH....OH........I think I stumbled on the answer......... Most seeburgs I have seen don't stop exactly on a dime after the last scan but this one does. It doesn't run a few inches the other direction before stopping. Hmmmmmmm......I now have a different problem I don't know the answer to!!! LOLOLOLOLOL. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid Karl, That's the scan SUBTRACT Solenoid, and it's controled by the switch that hits the ramp, under the TMU. That switch is probably "stuck closed " probably 'cause someone laid the phono on it's back, without bolting it down CORRECTLY for shipment. See page 35 (8M1) switch adjusment of the Seeburg S-100 Service Manual. Ron --- On Wed, 10/22/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 1:13 PM Ron, This is why I like newer jukeboxes. I have your Mech manual, and the Reprint S100 Service manual all over my desk now. Been pouring over them and back and forth to the jukebox all afternoon and I'm still scratching my head. I'm using the terminology in the manual. The scan control solenoid is the one that is in the SPU4 in this model, in the DCC in later models, and has a plastic rocker that goes back and forth once for each up and back scan of the mech to allow scan control switch to stay engaged for two complete scan cycles. That solenoid stays energized all the time (when credits are established) and I'm not sure if it is supposed to or not. If it is supposed to, why would the wires to it be hot to the point of smoking and why would it buzz annoyingly? Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid Karl-- RTM--page 5-- If the add coil is energized being held in, what makes it stop the mech ?? Ron --- On Wed, 10/22/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg S100 Scan Solenoid To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 12:23 PM Ron (or anyone really), Is the scan solenoid supposed to stay "in" as long as there are credits? I have one that stays in all the time in idle, if credits are established. It knocks off while scanning and on again when hitting the ramp at the end of the scan cycle, as I assume it should, but the wires have been getting hot and the thing buzzes. I have been all through the schematics and can't find anything that turns it off other than the previously mentioned 8M1 switch during scanning. TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Wed Oct 22 15:13:21 2008 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Wed Oct 22 15:20:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Too Old To Kick Message-ID: David, Hope all is well! Speaking of old, I turn the big 5-0 on November 16. It is hard to believe now, but I can remember when my Dad was 35 and I thought he was ancient. The day Elvis died, I had just come in from high school football practice and found my late Mother crying hysterically. When she was able to get her composure, I asked her what was wrong. She said, "Elvis died today." My response to her was, "How old was he?" She said, "He was 42." After thinking about it for a second, my response to her was, "He was old, and lived a great life. Let him rest in peace." Now I look at someone 40 and think...you young kid you! Take care and tell Mrs. Anne hello for us. Brantley Williston, S.C.


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Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics ? check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From lavin at cheqnet.net Wed Oct 22 15:51:09 2008 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Wed Oct 22 15:52:13 2008 Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems References: <20081020.112836.8045.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: This thought keeps ratteling arouond in my head : I still am leaning on the transformers being partially shorted, I tried 3 amps, all of them 553's and they all for the most part sound the same with the same record's playing, I shure would like to find some resistance spec's for them. The manual does not list the ohm's for the 2 T3 transformers. Wish I had another set to sub and see what they sound like. Have not had any time to go any further on it this week, too busy with fall project's outside. Mabey this week end I can get back and do a little more diagnostics on it. Dennis. :-} .y ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems > > Hello Denny & Sue: > Responding to your email. Give me a day or so to go through my old > service files to see what info. I have. I also recall someone publishing > a list that converts all Wurlitzer transistor numbers to generic numbers. > I'll include that, too. > JIm Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > Click for free info on business schools, $150K/ year potential. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4s24g3O2ey5ydN6SjUoSVj8SywBezbvN3I0Ou974wzPitBYi/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pinball at telus.net Wed Oct 22 16:56:11 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Oct 22 16:57:15 2008 Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having probl ems In-Reply-To: <20081020.112836.8045.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081020.112836.8045.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <48FFBD9B.8070601@telus.net> James Alexander wrote: > > Hello Denny & Sue: > Responding to your email. Give me a day or so to go through my old service files to see what info. I have. I also recall someone publishing a list that converts all Wurlitzer transistor numbers to generic numbers. I'll include that, too. > JIm Alexander > > The conversion list for Wurlitzer amplifiers, etc. is on flippers.com: http://flippers.com/wurlxref.html Upgrading the 3700 to the 3800 amp is on another page - not any use for the 3600 though: http://flippers.com/37-3800w.html John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Oct 22 23:21:47 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Oct 22 23:24:22 2008 Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having probl ems Message-ID: <20081023.022147.27439.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Hello Sue and Dennis: I've gone to my Wurlitzer service files and have realized that the update information that I downloaded and printed is offered by Flippers Inc. of Canada, who is a contributor to this forum. John Robertson has transmitted to you, in an email on the list, the links to the 70's Wurlitzer amp.info. I was going to scan and send to you. Since Robertson's company researched and authored these docs, they may be in a better position to help you through your problem. Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Click here for a free search to find an interior design school near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4vGm7fTMrYp15LduP8st66FrMomFlGVuVr6vRmBk5JSYkAfs/?count=1234567890 From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Oct 23 07:44:07 2008 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu Oct 23 07:51:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes Message-ID: <000501c9351d$ce057e40$6a107ac0$@net> The red wire connecting to the worm gear that drives the selector on the pin bank was disconnected when I purchased. Seems it is hot.all the time.. Not sure where to start troubleshooting. Where should the power cycle be interrupted after the Golden Bar is pressed? All the contacts look clean and functioning. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. -Rich From cruisinina49ford at hotmail.com Tue Oct 21 17:59:32 2008 From: cruisinina49ford at hotmail.com (Fred Flintstone) Date: Thu Oct 23 13:53:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] would like more info Message-ID: I seen this email on the Seeburg mailing list and figured I had look into joining as you never know what I may aquire (9 Seeburgs and 1 NSM jukeboxes in the last 3 months). All knowledge of how these work is good and I am totally fascinated with them now. I take manuals to work with me to read in my spare time. Is there a website for archives so I don't have to ask a lot of questions as I normally will search for the answer and only ask if it doesn't bite my nose of in spite off it being in the way (thats what my wife thinks when I cant find something). Thanks Tony Laundrie _________________________________________________________________ From irmercado at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 13:46:38 2008 From: irmercado at gmail.com (IvanR@pobox.com) Date: Thu Oct 23 13:54:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Looking for Discomatic plastic cover. Message-ID: <409d626b0810231346o76ab3c74mad7bc7fee58e6c2@mail.gmail.com> Hi. I have a Discomatic EL-POR and would like to know if anyone has the plastic lid cover for this unit in acceptable to good condition. Thanks you for your help. Ivan From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Oct 23 14:01:35 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Oct 23 14:03:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes Message-ID: <20081023.170135.12303.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Hello Ssg Myers: The top tunes selector function on Wurlitzer jukes of this era is triggered by the depositing of a .50 credit through the coin system. This should light both the "select" light and the top tunes Golden Bar functions. Pushing the Golden Bar should start the worm gear motor on the assembly mounted beside the pinbank on your 3010. The motor pushes the assembly that releases 10 selector pins on the machine. This 28VDC voltage is switched through the small. outboard top tunes chassis mounted on the floor of your juke. Chassis has 2 sockets and two plug in ice-cube type relays. Power to the motor is switched off at cycle's end via a mechanically operated leaf switch mounted on the top tunes assembly,near the motor. Likely problems that could cause the motor power to remain on are bent or shorted switch contacts , residual magnetism or stuck mechanism in one of the relays, which will not let it's contacts release. Relay numbers are RY-11 and RY-12. If you want to disable the Golden Bar system , the phono will function if you plug in a "dummy" plug into the Top tunes 12 pin socket on the selector chassis. Jumper the following contacts together: Jumper #1----- Pins 3 to 4. Jumper #2 Pins 11 to 12. If you need a copy of the phonograph schematic, I can photocopy from a 2910 service manual (very similar machine) and mail to you. This is bigger than an 8.5" x 11" page. Need your mailing address. If you have the original Wurl 3000 service manual, the diagram you need should be on foldout page 103-104. (in the repro manuals, sometimes page nos. are different) Hope this helps, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Easy-to-use, advanced features, flexible phone systems. Click here for more info. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4vdHuNi3710DKLpfHSv8pvnJFHvQmMck02R1fKgRsKPkvlCW/?count=1234567890 From lavin at cheqnet.net Thu Oct 23 18:39:34 2008 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Thu Oct 23 18:46:55 2008 Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems References: <20081023.022147.27439.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: HI- I have the list now, thank you both Jim, John. Hope to take another look at it this week end. Cheer's Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 1:21 AM Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 amp still having problems > > Hello Sue and Dennis: > I've gone to my Wurlitzer service files and have realized that the update > information that I downloaded and printed is offered by Flippers Inc. of > Canada, who is a contributor to this forum. > John Robertson has transmitted to you, in an email on the list, the links > to the 70's Wurlitzer amp.info. I was going to scan and send to you. > Since Robertson's company researched and authored these docs, they may be > in a better position to help you through your problem. > Jim Alexander > > _____________________________________________________________ > Click here for a free search to find an interior design school near you. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4vGm7fTMrYp15LduP8st66FrMomFlGVuVr6vRmBk5JSYkAfs/?count=1234567890 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From 19k20 at comcast.net Fri Oct 24 10:16:09 2008 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (19k20@comcast.net) Date: Fri Oct 24 10:24:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes Message-ID: <1744547216.1187191224868569836.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Now I have done it.? Figured out it was the release relay keeping the Top Tunes engaged. ?So, after being very careful all night to make sure power was off?.at 1:00 am?.I forgot. ?My small screwdriver grounded the hot wire on the release relay to the TT assembly mounted on the pin bank?..Needless to say the entire mechanism lost power. There is no power currently to the mechanism.? ?I have checked all the fuses?..some probably OEM because they are wrapped in masking tape, so I can?t really see if they are blown or not. ? There is no power to the keyboard,? free play switch, or when I drop in a coin. ?Hopefully this is a fuse, but I am not sure where to start. ?This box has been retrofitted with a 545 amp and there are a 4 or so fuses along the bottom. ?They are the ones with tape. Does one of them regulate power to the chassis? I have looked at the fuse on chassis, the fuse on the PlayRak?both good. ? ? Which pins should I check for on the cable running to the chassis from the amp to see if power is at least getting there? ? This will be a great learning experience??learning the hard way?. ? Can anyone help stupid me? Thanks for all the help? ? SSG Rich Myers From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Oct 24 12:57:33 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Oct 24 13:00:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes Message-ID: <20081024.155733.8781.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Hi: The Wurl. 545 is a vacuum tube amplifier that was used in the 2800 series jukeboxes. Apparently someone transplanted this chassis to take the place of the model 546 transistorized amp that is supposed to be in your machine. The power supplies that operate the selection system and the robotics of the mech are contained on the 545 chassis. There should be 5 chassis mounted fuse holders on your 545 amp chassis. You are losing me where you are describing "fuses wrapped with tape". This sounds like somebody's "home-made" circuit. There is a 28 volt DC power supply that you should be concerned with. On 2 different circuit legs branching off from it there are 2 fuses, one is 5 amp, the other is an 8 amp. This is the power supply using the 2 large chassis mounted silicon rectifiers. Hope this guides you what to you're looking for. There are 3 low-voltage power supplies that operate all of the phono control functions. The switching circuits are rather complex, so it's easy to get "lost" in them without a roadmap. I suggest that you get the service manual for your machine,which has all the schematics you'll need. Since you have a substantially-different amp in your 3000 series jukebox, I suggest that you pick up a 2800 manual as well,for the 545 amp diagram. These can be found at the jukebox newspapers (Jukebox Collector, Always Jukin' ) classic jukebox parts houses like ( A-1, Victory Glass) and occasionally on E Bay. Good luck with your project Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Save on Internet Security Hardware and Software - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4s9vBdQX7thYhqNf9ivUIYOFzjK6r57DZfhh5i6xPTQAhuTE/?count=1234567890 From mattpatt at 1starnet.com Fri Oct 24 13:15:58 2008 From: mattpatt at 1starnet.com (Matt Patterson) Date: Fri Oct 24 13:14:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection Message-ID: <49022CFE.3040602@1starnet.com> I got some new records for my Seeburg L100 today and was listening to them. The last selection played and ejected properly then it started just scanning up and down like it was looking for a record and didn't stop. I am also unable to make a selection. I turned the power off unplugged it from the wall and plugged it back in then flipped the power switch and it immediately goes back to scanning up and down again. I also noticed that there is now a loud hum coming from the back of the unit. I haven't opened it up yet but was curious if you guys might could steer me in the right direction on what to look for. The amp was re-capped a couple years ago as well as new tubes installed. This juke doesn't get played all that often and probably seen the most use it has ever seen since I have owned it last week when we had a birthday party for my daughter. Any help would be appreciated. Take Care, Matt From drjukebox at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 13:21:25 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Fri Oct 24 13:22:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes In-Reply-To: <20081024.155733.8781.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081024.155733.8781.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690810241321m22693d88r86985814d1cdec26@mail.gmail.com> I've never worked much on those mid 60's Wurlies, but still I have a vague recollection that for a few years they were available with a choice of tube or solid state amplifiers? And didn't Rockola do the same thing? Jens On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:57 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > Hi: > The Wurl. 545 is a vacuum tube amplifier that was used in the 2800 series > jukeboxes. Apparently someone transplanted this chassis to take the place of > the model 546 transistorized amp that is supposed to be in your machine. > The power supplies that operate the selection system and the robotics of > the mech are contained on the 545 chassis. > There should be 5 chassis mounted fuse holders on your 545 amp chassis. > You are losing me where you are describing "fuses wrapped with tape". This > sounds like somebody's "home-made" circuit. > > There is a 28 volt DC power supply that you should be concerned with. > On 2 different circuit legs branching off from it there are 2 fuses, one is > 5 amp, the other is an 8 amp. > This is the power supply using the 2 large chassis mounted silicon > rectifiers. Hope this guides you what to you're looking for. > There are 3 low-voltage power supplies that operate all of the phono > control functions. The switching circuits are rather complex, so it's easy > to get "lost" in them without a roadmap. I suggest that you get the > service manual for your machine,which has all the schematics you'll need. > Since you have a substantially-different amp in your 3000 series jukebox, I > suggest that you pick up a 2800 manual as well,for the 545 amp diagram. > These can be found at the jukebox newspapers (Jukebox Collector, Always > Jukin' ) classic jukebox parts houses like ( A-1, Victory Glass) and > occasionally on E Bay. > Good luck with your project > Jim Alexander > > _____________________________________________________________ > Save on Internet Security Hardware and Software - Click here. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4s9vBdQX7thYhqNf9ivUIYOFzjK6r57DZfhh5i6xPTQAhuTE/?count=1234567890 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From mattpatt at 1starnet.com Fri Oct 24 13:42:53 2008 From: mattpatt at 1starnet.com (Matt Patterson) Date: Fri Oct 24 13:43:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 Circuit boards Message-ID: <4902334D.50603@1starnet.com> Does anyone know where I can get new circuit boards for the L100 amp? I figure if I'm going to have to rebuild the TSU I might as well rebuild the amp and replace the old circuit boards with new. I have checked the usual places, Victory Glass, Vern Tisdale, etc. I know I've seen them being offered before though just can't remember where. Matt From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Oct 24 16:06:25 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Oct 24 16:09:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes Message-ID: <20081024.190625.16155.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Hello Jens: I'm very familiar with the 60's Wurlitzer machines in the US. I'm 60+ years old. In the early to mid 60's, I worked as a service tech for a vending company that had a big jukebox route. The company bought mainly Wurlitzer equipment,along with a few Seeburgs. Wurlitzer,beginning with model 2900, went to a solid state amplifier setup and did not offer the buyer any choice of technology. All W models going forward had transistorized sound systems. Perhaps Wurlitzer in England and Europe had a different policy. It is my understanding that RockOla slowly switched over to solid state amps in their top-of-the-line models in the mid to late 60's, while keeping tube technology in the budget (Princess) line of machines. Rowe-AMI DID offer their customers a choice of tube or solid state amps in their later 60's and early 70's models. Some of the early-design solid state amplifiers were rather trouble-prone. Many early designs,using germanium transistors, had problems with both sound quality and product reliability. This was not limited to any one manufacturer. As the designs improved by the late 60's (and moved into silicon transistors) these problems were well-addressed. During that early 60's time period, anyone involved with the audio electronics industry (or jukebox operators) formed strong opinions as to which technology was better--tubes or transistors. Some manufacturers offered both formats in order to satisfy all. Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Be a professional. Click here to earn a psychology degree. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4vFH8y2arKlFlDRUnnL8cTDz783NdLt8FdZWBElsbmBSmbBU/?count=1234567890 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Oct 24 16:21:33 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Oct 24 16:24:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection Message-ID: <20081024.192133.16155.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Hello Matt: Most likely there is a problem occurring in the Tormat chassis of your jukebox. This is one of the two chassis mounted on the back door of your machine. Normally, the mech should scan the record rack twice, and then stop. If it keeps scanning continously, there is likely a problem with the "stop solenoid" on the tormat chassis. Possibly, this is the component that is buzzing. It can "hang up" mechanically or the problem could be electrical. As a quick safety precaution, make sure that all fuses in the tormat unit are the correct rated values and are not higher values. This symptom you're describing could possibly be a short circuit that can cause other damage. Hope this helps, JIm Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4tvKKDnGlaBOT8PNsxvKaKBvjpvBK92yRxql514YbvBp650y/?count=1234567890 From drjukebox at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 16:40:28 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Fri Oct 24 16:41:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes In-Reply-To: <20081024.190625.16155.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081024.190625.16155.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690810241640k18290c21l8ef58dc5d8badaf2@mail.gmail.com> Thanks James for that - - - see, that's why people like you and Ron Rich are such assets to a group like this. You have first hand knowledge and experience is invaluable.! 545 was the last tube amplifier. 546-550 were solid state. Jens On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 1:06 AM, James Alexander wrote: > > Hello Jens: > I'm very familiar with the 60's Wurlitzer machines in the US. I'm 60+ > years old. In the early to mid 60's, I worked as a service tech for a > vending company that had a big jukebox route. The company bought mainly > Wurlitzer equipment,along with a few Seeburgs. > Wurlitzer,beginning with model 2900, went to a solid state amplifier setup > and did not offer the buyer any choice of technology. All W models going > forward had transistorized sound systems. Perhaps Wurlitzer in England and > Europe had a different policy. > It is my understanding that RockOla slowly switched over to solid state > amps in their top-of-the-line models in the mid to late 60's, while keeping > tube technology in the budget (Princess) line of machines. > Rowe-AMI DID offer their customers a choice of tube or solid state amps in > their later 60's and early 70's models. > Some of the early-design solid state amplifiers were rather trouble-prone. > Many early designs,using germanium transistors, had problems with both > sound quality and product reliability. This was not limited to any one > manufacturer. As the > designs improved by the late 60's (and moved into silicon transistors) these > problems were well-addressed. > During that early 60's time period, anyone involved with the audio > electronics industry (or jukebox operators) formed strong opinions as to > which technology was better--tubes or transistors. Some manufacturers > offered both formats in order to satisfy all. > Jim Alexander > > _____________________________________________________________ > Be a professional. Click here to earn a psychology degree. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4vFH8y2arKlFlDRUnnL8cTDz783NdLt8FdZWBElsbmBSmbBU/?count=1234567890 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 17:43:48 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Oct 24 17:44:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes In-Reply-To: <1744547216.1187191224868569836.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <738372.31351.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I am sorry to be so blunt--but, If they are "wrapped in masking tape" and you do not know that you can check them with a meter, you REALLY need to call a "pro", before you cause major damage !! Ron? Rich --- On Fri, 10/24/08, 19k20@comcast.net <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: 19k20@comcast.net <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 10:16 AM Now I have done it.? Figured out it was the release relay keeping the Top Tunes engaged. ?So, after being very careful all night to make sure power was off?.at 1:00 am?.I forgot. ?My small screwdriver grounded the hot wire on the release relay to the TT assembly mounted on the pin bank?..Needless to say the entire mechanism lost power. There is no power currently to the mechanism.? ?I have checked all the fuses?..some probably OEM because they are wrapped in masking tape, so I can?t really see if they are blown or not. ? There is no power to the keyboard,? free play switch, or when I drop in a coin. ?Hopefully this is a fuse, but I am not sure where to start. ?This box has been retrofitted with a 545 amp and there are a 4 or so fuses along the bottom. ?They are the ones with tape. Does one of them regulate power to the chassis? I have looked at the fuse on chassis, the fuse on the PlayRak?both good. ? ? Which pins should I check for on the cable running to the chassis from the amp to see if power is at least getting there? ? This will be a great learning experience??learning the hard way?. ? Can anyone help stupid me? Thanks for all the help? ? SSG Rich Myers _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 17:49:01 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Oct 24 17:50:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes In-Reply-To: <3154d3690810241321m22693d88r86985814d1cdec26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <436240.82660.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jens, AMi offered both for some years, but to the best of my knowledge neither Wurly, nor RO, did--and I know for sure that Seeburg never did. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: From: Jens Hultgren Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 1:21 PM I've never worked much on those mid 60's Wurlies, but still I have a vague recollection that for a few years they were available with a choice of tube or solid state amplifiers? And didn't Rockola do the same thing? Jens On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:57 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > Hi: > The Wurl. 545 is a vacuum tube amplifier that was used in the 2800 series > jukeboxes. Apparently someone transplanted this chassis to take the place of > the model 546 transistorized amp that is supposed to be in your machine. > The power supplies that operate the selection system and the robotics of > the mech are contained on the 545 chassis. > There should be 5 chassis mounted fuse holders on your 545 amp chassis. > You are losing me where you are describing "fuses wrapped with tape". This > sounds like somebody's "home-made" circuit. > > There is a 28 volt DC power supply that you should be concerned with. > On 2 different circuit legs branching off from it there are 2 fuses, one is > 5 amp, the other is an 8 amp. > This is the power supply using the 2 large chassis mounted silicon > rectifiers. Hope this guides you what to you're looking for. > There are 3 low-voltage power supplies that operate all of the phono > control functions. The switching circuits are rather complex, so it's easy > to get "lost" in them without a roadmap. I suggest that you get the > service manual for your machine,which has all the schematics you'll need. > Since you have a substantially-different amp in your 3000 series jukebox, I > suggest that you pick up a 2800 manual as well,for the 545 amp diagram. > These can be found at the jukebox newspapers (Jukebox Collector, Always > Jukin' ) classic jukebox parts houses like ( A-1, Victory Glass) and > occasionally on E Bay. > Good luck with your project > Jim Alexander > > _____________________________________________________________ > Save on Internet Security Hardware and Software - Click here. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4s9vBdQX7thYhqNf9ivUIYOFzjK6r57DZfhh5i6xPTQAhuTE/?count=1234567890 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 18:08:08 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Oct 24 18:09:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 Circuit boards In-Reply-To: <4902334D.50603@1starnet.com> Message-ID: <358408.82270.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Matt, If you have lotza $$$, Jack ( Hayword music--I think), in Canada sells them on eBay. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Matt Patterson wrote: From: Matt Patterson Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 Circuit boards To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 1:42 PM Does anyone know where I can get new circuit boards for the L100 amp? I figure if I'm going to have to rebuild the TSU I might as well rebuild the amp and replace the old circuit boards with new. I have checked the usual places, Victory Glass, Vern Tisdale, etc. I know I've seen them being offered before though just can't remember where. Matt _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 18:50:51 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Oct 24 18:51:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection In-Reply-To: <20081024.192133.16155.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <729170.71744.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Whoa---- Jim, may have mis-spoke a little here --that phono has NO?"Tormat Selection Receiver" (TSR), nor, "Tormat Selection Unit" (TSU)--and he's surely not talking about the Tormat Memory Unit (TMU), which it does have. What he's talking about is the "scan control" sub assembly, which is located under the rear door "skin". You will need to remove the skin, and determine which coil is energized, and trouble shoot from there!? Do NOT attempt to open the TMU--as that ain't you's problem !? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 10/24/08, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 4:21 PM Hello Matt: Most likely there is a problem occurring in the Tormat chassis of your jukebox. This is one of the two chassis mounted on the back door of your machine. Normally, the mech should scan the record rack twice, and then stop. If it keeps scanning continously, there is likely a problem with the "stop solenoid" on the tormat chassis. Possibly, this is the component that is buzzing. It can "hang up" mechanically or the problem could be electrical. As a quick safety precaution, make sure that all fuses in the tormat unit are the correct rated values and are not higher values. This symptom you're describing could possibly be a short circuit that can cause other damage. Hope this helps, JIm Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4tvKKDnGlaBOT8PNsxvKaKBvjpvBK92yRxql514YbvBp650y/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 19:58:31 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Oct 24 19:59:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes Message-ID: <44108.87206.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jens, AMi offered both for some years, but to the best of my knowledge neither Wurly, nor RO, did--and I know for sure that Seeburg never did. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: From: Jens Hultgren Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 1:21 PM I've never worked much on those mid 60's Wurlies, but still I have a vague recollection that for a few years they were available with a choice of tube or solid state amplifiers? And didn't Rockola do the same thing? Jens On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:57 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > Hi: > The Wurl. 545 is a vacuum tube amplifier that was used in the 2800 series > jukeboxes. Apparently someone transplanted this chassis to take the place of > the model 546 transistorized amp that is supposed to be in your machine. > The power supplies that operate the selection system and the robotics of > the mech are contained on the 545 chassis. > There should be 5 chassis mounted fuse holders on your 545 amp chassis. > You are losing me where you are describing "fuses wrapped with tape". This > sounds like somebody's "home-made" circuit. > > There is a 28 volt DC power supply that you should be concerned with. > On 2 different circuit legs branching off from it there are 2 fuses, one is > 5 amp, the other is an 8 amp. > This is the power supply using the 2 large chassis mounted silicon > rectifiers. Hope this guides you what to you're looking for. > There are 3 low-voltage power supplies that operate all of the phono > control functions. The switching circuits are rather complex, so it's easy > to get "lost" in them without a roadmap. I suggest that you get the > service manual for your machine,which has all the schematics you'll need. > Since you have a substantially-different amp in your 3000 series jukebox, I > suggest that you pick up a 2800 manual as well,for the 545 amp diagram. > These can be found at the jukebox newspapers (Jukebox Collector, Always > Jukin' ) classic jukebox parts houses like ( A-1, Victory Glass) and > occasionally on E Bay. > Good luck with your project > Jim Alexander > > _____________________________________________________________ > Save on Internet Security Hardware and Software - Click here. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4s9vBdQX7thYhqNf9ivUIYOFzjK6r57DZfhh5i6xPTQAhuTE/?count=1234567890 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mattpatt at 1starnet.com Fri Oct 24 21:53:09 2008 From: mattpatt at 1starnet.com (Matt Patterson) Date: Fri Oct 24 21:51:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection In-Reply-To: <729170.71744.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <729170.71744.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4902A635.1020803@1starnet.com> Hi Guys, Sorry I'm not very technical when it comes to these things. Although I can solder and rebuild things if necessary. However, I'm not sure I understand what you are referring to as the rear door "skin." On the back of the door starting from the top I have a black plastic cover that covers a circuit board (not sure what it's called as I can't find my service manual at the moment). Then below it I have the tormat board then the two amplifier boards. Then to the right (oriented vertical) I have the auto volume control board. There is a metal cover that goes over the tormat, amp and volume control boards. I assume the "scan control" sub assembly you're referring to is what I'm calling the tormat board? It has been rebuilt once before by the previous owner and a new modern circuit board was used. Thanks for the help, Matt Ron Rich wrote: > Whoa---- > Jim, may have mis-spoke a little here --that phono has NO "Tormat Selection Receiver" (TSR), nor, "Tormat Selection Unit" (TSU)--and he's surely not talking about the Tormat Memory Unit (TMU), which it does have. > What he's talking about is the "scan control" sub assembly, which is located under the rear door "skin". > You will need to remove the skin, and determine which coil is energized, and trouble shoot from there! Do NOT attempt to open the TMU--as that ain't you's problem ! Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, James Alexander wrote: > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 4:21 PM > > > Hello Matt: > Most likely there is a problem occurring in the Tormat chassis of your jukebox. > This is one of the two chassis mounted on the back door of your machine. > Normally, the mech should scan the record rack twice, and then stop. > If it > keeps scanning continously, there is likely a problem with the "stop > solenoid" on the tormat chassis. Possibly, this is the component that is > buzzing. It can "hang up" mechanically or the problem could be > electrical. > As a quick safety precaution, make sure that all fuses in the tormat unit are > the correct rated values and are not higher values. This symptom you're > describing could possibly be a short circuit that can cause other damage. > Hope this helps, > JIm Alexander > > _____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your needs. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4tvKKDnGlaBOT8PNsxvKaKBvjpvBK92yRxql514YbvBp650y/?count=1234567890 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > From mattpatt at 1starnet.com Fri Oct 24 12:23:00 2008 From: mattpatt at 1starnet.com (Matt Patterson) Date: Fri Oct 24 22:01:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection In-Reply-To: <48BED11A.7020400@telus.net> References: <0K6M00MYQPBPUGN0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <48BED11A.7020400@telus.net> Message-ID: <49022094.3000706@1starnet.com> I got some new records for my Seeburg L100 today and was listening to them. The last selection played and ejected properly then it started just scanning up and down like it was looking for a record and didn't stop. I am also unable to make a selection. I turned the power off unplugged it from the wall and plugged it back in then flipped the power switch and it immediately goes back to scanning up and down again. I also noticed that there is now a loud hum coming from the back of the unit. I haven't opened it up yet but was curious if you guys might could steer me in the right direction on what to look for. The amp was re-capped a couple years ago as well as new tubes installed. This juke doesn't get played all that often and probably seen the most use it has ever seen since I have owned it last week when we had a birthday party for my daughter. Any help would be appreciated. Take Care, Matt From mattpatt at 1starnet.com Fri Oct 24 22:04:59 2008 From: mattpatt at 1starnet.com (Matt Patterson) Date: Fri Oct 24 22:02:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection In-Reply-To: <4902A635.1020803@1starnet.com> References: <729170.71744.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4902A635.1020803@1starnet.com> Message-ID: <4902A8FB.5010609@1starnet.com> Also, are there any relays that could be stuck that would cause this problem? Last weekend while being used heavily I had someone come up and tell me that it just started scanning and wouldn't let them make a selection (exact same issue I'm having now). By the time I got over there it had finally stopped and started working normal again so I didn't think much of it and went to something else. But now that this problem has cropped up and hearing the humming sound it sure does make me wonder if there might be a stuck relay somewhere with dirty contacts causing the selection mechanism to continuously scan. I've looked everywhere for my service manual and still can't find it. The thing is, I just cleaned and put stuff up and I remember seeing it but can't remember what I did with it. Matt Matt Patterson wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Sorry I'm not very technical when it comes to these things. Although > I can solder and rebuild things if necessary. However, I'm not sure I > understand what you are referring to as the rear door "skin." On the > back of the door starting from the top I have a black plastic cover > that covers a circuit board (not sure what it's called as I can't find > my service manual at the moment). Then below it I have the tormat > board then the two amplifier boards. Then to the right (oriented > vertical) I have the auto volume control board. There is a metal > cover that goes over the tormat, amp and volume control boards. I > assume the "scan control" sub assembly you're referring to is what I'm > calling the tormat board? It has been rebuilt once before by the > previous owner and a new modern circuit board was used. > > Thanks for the help, > Matt > > Ron Rich wrote: >> Whoa---- >> Jim, may have mis-spoke a little here --that phono has NO "Tormat >> Selection Receiver" (TSR), nor, "Tormat Selection Unit" (TSU)--and >> he's surely not talking about the Tormat Memory Unit (TMU), which it >> does have. >> What he's talking about is the "scan control" sub assembly, which is >> located under the rear door "skin". You will need to remove the skin, >> and determine which coil is energized, and trouble shoot from there! >> Do NOT attempt to open the TMU--as that ain't you's problem ! Ron Rich >> >> --- On Fri, 10/24/08, James Alexander wrote: >> >> From: James Alexander >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection >> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 4:21 PM >> >> >> Hello Matt: >> Most likely there is a problem occurring in the Tormat chassis of >> your jukebox. >> This is one of the two chassis mounted on the back door of your >> machine. Normally, the mech should scan the record rack twice, and >> then stop. >> >> If it >> keeps scanning continously, there is likely a problem with the "stop >> solenoid" on the tormat chassis. Possibly, this is the component >> that is >> buzzing. It can "hang up" mechanically or the problem could be >> electrical. >> As a quick safety precaution, make sure that all fuses in the tormat >> unit are >> the correct rated values and are not higher values. This symptom you're >> describing could possibly be a short circuit that can cause other >> damage. >> Hope this helps, >> JIm Alexander >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your >> needs. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4tvKKDnGlaBOT8PNsxvKaKBvjpvBK92yRxql514YbvBp650y/?count=1234567890 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Fri Oct 24 21:04:29 2008 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Fri Oct 24 22:06:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection Message-ID: Hi! I have seen this before. It sounds like the subtract coil in the credit unit is staying energized. Usually it is gummed up and causing no credits to be given and the scan control will not release, causing the mech to scan constantly! Mel From 19k20 at comcast.net Sat Oct 25 00:21:14 2008 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sat Oct 25 00:22:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes In-Reply-To: <738372.31351.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <1744547216.1187191224868569836.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <738372.31351.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005f01c93672$44997890$cdcc69b0$@net> Blunt is best. I am in the Army...so don't beat around the bush. Upon closer evaluation, the fuses are not wrapped in masking tape, but seem to be plastic coated, where the clear glass would be. I could not visually see if a fuse was blown. I was able to run a continuity check on them and the 5 amp fuse was blown. Replaced it tonight.....back in business. Thanks to all those who support this list. Is anyone intimately familiar with the Top Tunes feature. Problem is...after the worm gear advances the teeth to engage the pin bank, the leaf switch that opens to disengage the mechanism, is supposed to open by a little tab bent up on the edge of the plate that moves to engage the pin bank. In order to get it to open...it disengages the work gear when the teeth are too close to the pin bank...preventing the pins to be retracted once the song is over. Anyone else have problems like this? Thanks again. SSG Myers -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:44 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes I am sorry to be so blunt--but, If they are "wrapped in masking tape" and you do not know that you can check them with a meter, you REALLY need to call a "pro", before you cause major damage !! Ron Rich --- On Fri, 10/24/08, 19k20@comcast.net <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: 19k20@comcast.net <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 10:16 AM Now I have done it. Figured out it was the release relay keeping the Top Tunes engaged. So, after being very careful all night to make sure power was off..at 1:00 am..I forgot. My small screwdriver grounded the hot wire on the release relay to the TT assembly mounted on the pin bank...Needless to say the entire mechanism lost power. There is no power currently to the mechanism. I have checked all the fuses...some probably OEM because they are wrapped in masking tape, so I can't really see if they are blown or not. There is no power to the keyboard, free play switch, or when I drop in a coin. Hopefully this is a fuse, but I am not sure where to start. This box has been retrofitted with a 545 amp and there are a 4 or so fuses along the bottom. They are the ones with tape. Does one of them regulate power to the chassis? I have looked at the fuse on chassis, the fuse on the PlayRak.both good. Which pins should I check for on the cable running to the chassis from the amp to see if power is at least getting there? This will be a great learning experience..learning the hard way.. Can anyone help stupid me? Thanks for all the help. SSG Rich Myers _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Sat Oct 25 06:03:07 2008 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Sat Oct 25 06:04:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection Message-ID: <476D0009A77140CF8665949D61FCA338@VistaServer> Hi Matt! I was referring to the coil and mechanism in the credit unit. If you open the rear door, look all the way to the left, past the large black transformers, you'll see a box mounted on a extended bracket, that's the credit unit. You can remove the front cover and check that the parts are moving freely. I believe that the credit wheel is stuck or gummy and that's causing the problem.... Mel From mattpatt at 1starnet.com Sat Oct 25 06:26:46 2008 From: mattpatt at 1starnet.com (Matt Patterson) Date: Sat Oct 25 06:25:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection In-Reply-To: <476D0009A77140CF8665949D61FCA338@VistaServer> References: <476D0009A77140CF8665949D61FCA338@VistaServer> Message-ID: <49031E96.4060907@1starnet.com> Would the credit wheel move if it has been rigged to for free play? Matt Mel Knight wrote: > Hi Matt! > > I was referring to the coil and mechanism in the credit unit. If you open the rear door, look all the way to the left, past the large black transformers, you'll see a box mounted on a extended bracket, that's the credit unit. You can remove the front cover and check that the parts are moving freely. I believe that the credit wheel is stuck or gummy and that's causing the problem.... Mel > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Sat Oct 25 06:55:20 2008 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Sat Oct 25 06:56:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection Message-ID: Hi Matt! Yes, the credit unit is an integral part of the selection system. Even if it's on free play it still operates as normal. Here's the sequence of operation. Obviously you have credit established as it's on free play. When you make a selection, the large plunger on the top of the credit unit actuate the credit wheel to subtract a credit, while pulled in it starts the mechanism to scan back and forth as well as releasing the latch solenoid and allowing the keys to pop back up. If the actuator or credit wheel are stuck the unit will buzz loudly (smoke if left on long enough), and scan back and forth forever. I'm pretty confident that's what's happening. That would explain how it did it at the party, returned to normal and now is doing it again!! Mel From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 08:21:46 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Oct 25 08:22:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection In-Reply-To: <4902A635.1020803@1starnet.com> Message-ID: <77869.18604.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Matt, The OUTside metal covering comes off the door (two screws on the side of the door)--usually called the "skin". Mel's comment may be your problem--but just look to see which coil is energized (under the "skin"). Ron Rich --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Matt Patterson wrote: From: Matt Patterson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 9:53 PM Hi Guys, Sorry I'm not very technical when it comes to these things. Although I can solder and rebuild things if necessary. However, I'm not sure I understand what you are referring to as the rear door "skin." On the back of the door starting from the top I have a black plastic cover that covers a circuit board (not sure what it's called as I can't find my service manual at the moment). Then below it I have the tormat board then the two amplifier boards. Then to the right (oriented vertical) I have the auto volume control board. There is a metal cover that goes over the tormat, amp and volume control boards. I assume the "scan control" sub assembly you're referring to is what I'm calling the tormat board? It has been rebuilt once before by the previous owner and a new modern circuit board was used. Thanks for the help, Matt Ron Rich wrote: > Whoa---- > Jim, may have mis-spoke a little here --that phono has NO "Tormat Selection Receiver" (TSR), nor, "Tormat Selection Unit" (TSU)--and he's surely not talking about the Tormat Memory Unit (TMU), which it does have. > What he's talking about is the "scan control" sub assembly, which is located under the rear door "skin". You will need to remove the skin, and determine which coil is energized, and trouble shoot from there! Do NOT attempt to open the TMU--as that ain't you's problem ! Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, James Alexander wrote: > > From: James Alexander > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 4:21 PM > > Hello Matt: > Most likely there is a problem occurring in the Tormat chassis of your jukebox. > This is one of the two chassis mounted on the back door of your machine. Normally, the mech should scan the record rack twice, and then stop. If it > keeps scanning continously, there is likely a problem with the "stop > solenoid" on the tormat chassis. Possibly, this is the component that is > buzzing. It can "hang up" mechanically or the problem could be > electrical. > As a quick safety precaution, make sure that all fuses in the tormat unit are > the correct rated values and are not higher values. This symptom you're > describing could possibly be a short circuit that can cause other damage. > Hope this helps, > JIm Alexander > > _____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your needs. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4tvKKDnGlaBOT8PNsxvKaKBvjpvBK92yRxql514YbvBp650y/?count=1234567890 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 08:35:20 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Oct 25 08:36:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes In-Reply-To: <005f01c93672$44997890$cdcc69b0$@net> Message-ID: <378041.74848.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Rich, First of all, Thank-you, and all the people serving !!!!! I'm not fimilar with the TT unit, but I am somewhat confused by what you describe. As I recall, there should be no connection between the unit, and when the song is over. As I recall, the "gold bar" unit is just a way to "release" a (settable) number of? pins, into the selected state. Once that's done, the phono is in the same condition, as any other method of releasing a pin (with the "keyboard", or your hand?). Ron Rich --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 12:21 AM Blunt is best. I am in the Army...so don't beat around the bush. Upon closer evaluation, the fuses are not wrapped in masking tape, but seem to be plastic coated, where the clear glass would be. I could not visually see if a fuse was blown. I was able to run a continuity check on them and the 5 amp fuse was blown. Replaced it tonight.....back in business. Thanks to all those who support this list. Is anyone intimately familiar with the Top Tunes feature. Problem is...after the worm gear advances the teeth to engage the pin bank, the leaf switch that opens to disengage the mechanism, is supposed to open by a little tab bent up on the edge of the plate that moves to engage the pin bank. In order to get it to open...it disengages the work gear when the teeth are too close to the pin bank...preventing the pins to be retracted once the song is over. Anyone else have problems like this? Thanks again. SSG Myers -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:44 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes I am sorry to be so blunt--but, If they are "wrapped in masking tape" and you do not know that you can check them with a meter, you REALLY need to call a "pro", before you cause major damage !! Ron Rich --- On Fri, 10/24/08, 19k20@comcast.net <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: 19k20@comcast.net <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 10:16 AM Now I have done it. Figured out it was the release relay keeping the Top Tunes engaged. So, after being very careful all night to make sure power was off..at 1:00 am..I forgot. My small screwdriver grounded the hot wire on the release relay to the TT assembly mounted on the pin bank...Needless to say the entire mechanism lost power. There is no power currently to the mechanism. I have checked all the fuses...some probably OEM because they are wrapped in masking tape, so I can't really see if they are blown or not. There is no power to the keyboard, free play switch, or when I drop in a coin. Hopefully this is a fuse, but I am not sure where to start. This box has been retrofitted with a 545 amp and there are a 4 or so fuses along the bottom. They are the ones with tape. Does one of them regulate power to the chassis? I have looked at the fuse on chassis, the fuse on the PlayRak.both good. Which pins should I check for on the cable running to the chassis from the amp to see if power is at least getting there? This will be a great learning experience..learning the hard way.. Can anyone help stupid me? Thanks for all the help. SSG Rich Myers _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Richard.D.Myers at Embarq.com Fri Oct 24 09:05:00 2008 From: Richard.D.Myers at Embarq.com (Myers, Rich D [EQ]) Date: Sat Oct 25 09:19:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes Message-ID: <89F0C7BC442CB246AC57C0454D5022367DE96D19@PKDWES1V1.EQ.Intranet> Now I have done it. Figured out it was the release relay keeping the Top Tunes engaged. So, after being very careful all night to make sure power was off....at 1:00 am....I forgot. My small screwdriver grounded the hot wire on the release relay to the TT assembly mounted on the pin bank.....Needless to say the entire mechanism lost power. There is no power currently to the mechanism. I have checked all the fuses.....some probably OEM because they are wrapped in masking tape, so I can't really see if they are blown or not. There is no power to the keyboard, free play switch, or when I drop in a coin. Hopefully this is a fuse, but I am not sure where to start. This box has been retrofitted with a 545 amp and there are a 4 or so fuses along the bottom. They are the ones with tape. Does one of them regulate power to the chassis? I have looked at the fuse on chassis, the fuse on the PlayRak...both good. Which pins should I check for on the cable running to the chassis from the amp to see if power is at least getting there? This will be a great learning experience......learning the hard way.... Thanks for all the help... SSG Rich Myers From jukeboxjosh1 at verizon.net Sat Oct 25 09:56:43 2008 From: jukeboxjosh1 at verizon.net (Joshua Tabor) Date: Sat Oct 25 09:56:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts Galore Message-ID: <399a86d1b9f65359b8ca6136c231c2cf@verizon.net> Hello Everyone, Just a quick note to let everybody know that I am parting out a Rock-ola 1438 Comet within the week. Cabinet was awful but insides are clean! If anyone is in need of parts, please feel free to contact me off list. Thanks, Josh Tabor From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 10:45:49 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Oct 25 10:46:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT Message-ID: <253684.78661.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi All ( and John, at flippers dot com), I have a customer that owns about a 20 year old 45rpm OMT. What is happening is that the tone arm does not "back-off" all the way out of the path of a record being placed on to the turntable. This only happens on the first (few?) records after the phono has not been used for awhile. I was there a couple of weeks ago, and oiled the tone arm pivots and shaft, and it worked for a couple of weeks. I did notice that the tone arm wire was somewhat stiff, and would cause the tone arm to "skip" into the first part of some records, so I "flexed" it and it seemed OK, at the time-- Any suggestions?? She is a very nice lady, and?I would like to ge it "right" for her. TIA, Ron Rich From pinball at telus.net Sat Oct 25 11:05:16 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Oct 25 11:06:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT In-Reply-To: <253684.78661.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <253684.78661.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49035FDC.9040303@telus.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All ( and John, at flippers dot com), > I have a customer that owns about a 20 year old 45rpm OMT. What is happening is that the tone arm does not "back-off" all the way out of the path of a record being placed on to the turntable. This only happens on the first (few?) records after the phono has not been used for awhile. > I was there a couple of weeks ago, and oiled the tone arm pivots and shaft, and it worked for a couple of weeks. I did notice that the tone arm wire was somewhat stiff, and would cause the tone arm to "skip" into the first part of some records, so I "flexed" it and it seemed OK, at the time-- > Any suggestions? She is a very nice lady, and I would like to ge it "right" for her. > TIA, Ron Rich > > Hi Ron, As you suspect the machine needs serious oiling. This is true of jukeboxes, but Wurlitzers from Germany also need lube after about ten years. I have a section showing the important oil points - please use a high quality sewing machine or similar oil. http://flippers.com/wurlitzr.html#Oil You may have to disassemble and de-gunk the tone arm pivot assembly... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 11:23:47 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Oct 25 11:24:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT In-Reply-To: <49035FDC.9040303@telus.net> Message-ID: <677143.13964.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Thanks,? John ! Ron Rich --- On Sat, 10/25/08, John Robertson wrote: From: John Robertson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 11:05 AM Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All ( and John, at flippers dot com), > I have a customer that owns about a 20 year old 45rpm OMT. What is happening is that the tone arm does not "back-off" all the way out of the path of a record being placed on to the turntable. This only happens on the first (few?) records after the phono has not been used for awhile. > I was there a couple of weeks ago, and oiled the tone arm pivots and shaft, and it worked for a couple of weeks. I did notice that the tone arm wire was somewhat stiff, and would cause the tone arm to "skip" into the first part of some records, so I "flexed" it and it seemed OK, at the time-- > Any suggestions? She is a very nice lady, and I would like to ge it "right" for her. > TIA, Ron Rich > > Hi Ron, As you suspect the machine needs serious oiling. This is true of jukeboxes, but Wurlitzers from Germany also need lube after about ten years. I have a section showing the important oil points - please use a high quality sewing machine or similar oil. http://flippers.com/wurlitzr.html#Oil You may have to disassemble and de-gunk the tone arm pivot assembly... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Oct 25 11:22:28 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Oct 25 11:29:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Straight ammonia on an amp...? Message-ID: <8CB04E5C59F65F8-940-16BD@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> Hey, all- Okay to use straight ammonia on the input/output couplings to clear up some occasional audio distortion? De-Ox-It clears the problem up, but only temporarily. I'm guessing the ammonia will clear up the built-up carbon. Thanks- John Hayes From donshawnmyself at aol.com Sat Oct 25 11:30:50 2008 From: donshawnmyself at aol.com (donshawn07) Date: Sat Oct 25 11:50:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] donshawn07 wants to keep up with you on Twitter Message-ID: <490365da301ee_442a155559af76981169b@web067.twitter.com.tmail> To find out more about Twitter, visit the link below: http://twitter.com/i/fb0ef787e31aba804d94c72edcb5aad4373daa74 Thanks, -The Twitter Team About Twitter Twitter is a unique approach to communication and networking based on the simple concept of status. What are you doing? What are your friends doing?right now? With Twitter, you may answer this question over SMS, IM, or the Web and the responses are shared between contacts. This message was sent by a Twitter user who entered your email address. If you'd prefer not to receive emails when other people invite you to Twitter, click here: http://twitter.com/i/optout/3de06cd3b0cf8d64736f1f3b657ad6ecc2224350 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Oct 25 11:59:42 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Oct 25 12:02:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT Message-ID: <20081025.145942.2029.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hello Ron: The Wurl. 1015 OMT mechanisms tend to need cleaning/lubing after a period of time despite wurlitzers' advertising that the mechs are lubed for life. At least that's the case here in the hot humid South. What I've had to do on occasion is to remove the tone arm completely from the mech. base plate, clean and lube the pivot shaft and it's contact points. The OEM lubricant tends to cake up and bind after awhile. Personally, I've never seen any of the twisted pair cartridge wires go brittle, even on OMT's made in the 80's. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ All is not lost! Click now for professional data recovery. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4ueVzUpiXH31XZpdlnvkPn69OnzP24AUkXOmxEoM56miTtf1/?count=1234567890 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Oct 25 12:12:40 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Oct 25 12:16:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes Message-ID: <20081025.151240.2029.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Ssg. Myers: Thank You for your service to the country. Regarding your Wurl. 3010: I'm glad you were able to troubleshoot and repair the cause of your 28 volt DC short-ckt in the Top Tunes switching and find the resulting open fuse. I'm pretty familiar with the circuits of both the 3000 Wurlitzer jukes and the model 545 amplifier. There normally isn't any "in-line" type fuses (sealed in tape, plastic shrink-wrap or otherwise) in that unit. All the fuses should be installed in chassis-mounted,bayonet-style fuseholders. Apparently, this is an after-the-fact modification made by someone to your machine. The switch contacts on the top tunes assembly normally haven't been a service problem that I'm aware of.... The sliding parts of that assembly need to be free of dust and grit so they operate freely and don't hang up. The black sliding shaft (with the 10 teeth to release the top tunes selector pins) should have a lash adjustment at one end, with a machine screw, in order to fine-tune the amount of it's travel by the top tunes motor. Hope this addresses your question, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Click to get a free auto insurance quotes from top companies. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4tyCCfI0ggm1tUetz1xJqeg8i1lAexc0rRvmr3TfP2LyJChQ/?count=1234567890 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Oct 25 12:25:44 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Oct 25 12:27:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Straight ammonia on an amp...? Message-ID: <20081025.152544.2029.2@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hi: I've used rubbing alcohol with long-term success on sensitive connector contacts. This solution seems to last longer than using De Oxit, or any other Spray-on contact cleaner. Many contact cleaners use a binding agent that,after awhile, attracts dirt and dust more than the untreated switch contacts themselves. This will be especially noticeable in audio input circuits. Have never tried ammonia. I don't think there is anything in ammonia's chemical content that would cause the breakdown of copper or silver contacts used in a switch or connector. Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Click here to find Medical Transcription Training programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4uAmSjGYkYzf8hvMUi24hI2Ban97DWr0oS1QUbIOwFcppQ2y/?count=1234567890 From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Oct 25 12:34:16 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Oct 25 12:41:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Straight ammonia on an amp...? In-Reply-To: <20081025.152544.2029.2@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081025.152544.2029.2@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CB04EFCD278B42-940-18EE@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> So, you're saying straight-up rubbing alcohol sprayed right into the female couplings? Will this break down the old De-Oxit? Thanks- j -----Original Message----- From: James Alexander To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 2:25 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Straight ammonia on an amp...? Hi: I've used rubbing alcohol with long-term success on sensitive connector contacts. This solution seems to last longer than using De Oxit, or any other Spray-on contact cleaner. Many contact cleaners use a binding agent that,after awhile, attracts dirt and dust more than the untreated switch contacts themselves. This will be especially noticeable in audio input circuits. Have never tried ammonia. I don't think there is anything in ammonia's chemical content that would cause the breakdown of copper or silver contacts used in a switch or connector. Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Click here to find Medical Transcription Training programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4uAmSjGYkYzf8hvMUi24hI2Ban97DWr0oS1QUbIOwFcppQ2y/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Oct 25 12:50:09 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Oct 25 12:51:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT In-Reply-To: <20081025.145942.2029.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081025.145942.2029.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <000001c936da$e33065a0$a99130e0$@force9.co.uk> Hi Ron, I have just been out to a Wurlitzer Niagra yesterday. It had another problem, but when I repaired that and got it up and running, it was doing exactly the same as you say. When I tipped the mech up, all of the joints operated by the underside of the gripper assembly, that control the tone arm movement, were really stiff. I had not taken any lubricant as I had gone there to change a microswitch. In desperation the guy had some oil and some WD40. I had to sit there for 10 minutes jiggling the joints around underneath in order to free them off (all of the tone arm related joints). Purely due to lack of use I reckon. In the end they were all nicely free, but it took a long while to get it like that. For once, WD40 came in useful! I was amazed how stiff the joints were. Don't worry about the tone arm wire too much. It doesn't really go brittle on those German Wurlitzers, not like the Rowe/Ami wire does. In fact, my 2100 has OMT tone arm cable as it was the most flexible I could get hold of out of all the jukebox stuff. Even German Wurlitzers from the early 70s have good tone arm cable. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 25 October 2008 20:00 To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT Hello Ron: The Wurl. 1015 OMT mechanisms tend to need cleaning/lubing after a period of time despite wurlitzers' advertising that the mechs are lubed for life. At least that's the case here in the hot humid South. What I've had to do on occasion is to remove the tone arm completely from the mech. base plate, clean and lube the pivot shaft and it's contact points. The OEM lubricant tends to cake up and bind after awhile. Personally, I've never seen any of the twisted pair cartridge wires go brittle, even on OMT's made in the 80's. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ All is not lost! Click now for professional data recovery. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4ueVzUpiXH31XZpdlnvkPn6 9OnzP24AUkXOmxEoM56miTtf1/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Oct 25 12:54:21 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Oct 25 12:56:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Straight ammonia on an amp...? Message-ID: <20081025.155421.2029.4@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> This has worked for me. I've usually used alcohol on Q-tip cotton swabs to clean contact surfaces of dirty phono and phone jacks. If applying to leaf switch contacts, I've soaked heavy thickness paper stock (i.e. construction paper, business cards,etc) in alcohol and rubbed through the contacts. The Q -tip can bend sensitive contacts out of alignment. Cleanings that i've done this way have lasted for several years. Good luck with your project, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Are you safe? Click for quotes on a home security system. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4ueRwc9KIBaffv9xd3GoG3w7bD1WC4cUdp48TlUi5AjtJE9Q/?count=1234567890 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 12:56:25 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Oct 25 12:57:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT In-Reply-To: <000001c936da$e33065a0$a99130e0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <423001.8732.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Nigel, and Jim, It's not that the wire is brittle, but, it is stiff, and is forcing the tone arm into the starting grove of the record on set down. If I "push' it "back", the needle will set down in the correct area--for awhile, until the wire resumes it's original position-- Ron --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 12:50 PM Hi Ron, I have just been out to a Wurlitzer Niagra yesterday. It had another problem, but when I repaired that and got it up and running, it was doing exactly the same as you say. When I tipped the mech up, all of the joints operated by the underside of the gripper assembly, that control the tone arm movement, were really stiff. I had not taken any lubricant as I had gone there to change a microswitch. In desperation the guy had some oil and some WD40. I had to sit there for 10 minutes jiggling the joints around underneath in order to free them off (all of the tone arm related joints). Purely due to lack of use I reckon. In the end they were all nicely free, but it took a long while to get it like that. For once, WD40 came in useful! I was amazed how stiff the joints were. Don't worry about the tone arm wire too much. It doesn't really go brittle on those German Wurlitzers, not like the Rowe/Ami wire does. In fact, my 2100 has OMT tone arm cable as it was the most flexible I could get hold of out of all the jukebox stuff. Even German Wurlitzers from the early 70s have good tone arm cable. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 25 October 2008 20:00 To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT Hello Ron: The Wurl. 1015 OMT mechanisms tend to need cleaning/lubing after a period of time despite wurlitzers' advertising that the mechs are lubed for life. At least that's the case here in the hot humid South. What I've had to do on occasion is to remove the tone arm completely from the mech. base plate, clean and lube the pivot shaft and it's contact points. The OEM lubricant tends to cake up and bind after awhile. Personally, I've never seen any of the twisted pair cartridge wires go brittle, even on OMT's made in the 80's. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ All is not lost! Click now for professional data recovery. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4ueVzUpiXH31XZpdlnvkPn6 9OnzP24AUkXOmxEoM56miTtf1/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Oct 25 13:26:04 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Oct 25 13:28:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT Message-ID: <20081025.162604.2029.6@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> You may want to replace the wiring harness then. I've only seen this "stiffness" condition develop with units that are typically 40+ years old. Bill Bickers at Jukebox Friday Night sells a generic 5 conductor twisted pair 28 ga tone arm wire if you want to make your own harness. If you would like to buy the genuine Wurlitzer part, it is P/N # 41 200 192 00. This will be a cable cut to length, includes the cartridge lugs and the 3 pin DIN input connector. Available through authorized Wurl. jukebox parts distributors. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Click for top financial advice. Reduce debt & save for retirement. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4tx366HzC5EB3MRo59FaqUUurEbH5EqK7ISzim8S2Y6Kva9d/?count=1234567890 From killoughb at comcast.net Sat Oct 25 11:25:44 2008 From: killoughb at comcast.net (Bob Killough) Date: Sat Oct 25 13:56:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Owners Wanted Message-ID: <3A70B5CBB6014795BA203EFD3EF23A96@StudioPC> Hello - I am interested in communicating with jukebox owners with Rockola and AMI jukeboxes. I am aware of the Seeburg yahoo group. Any other groups around? Please contact me. Thanks....Bob in Portland, Oregon From mattpatt at 1starnet.com Sat Oct 25 14:07:24 2008 From: mattpatt at 1starnet.com (Matt Patterson) Date: Sat Oct 25 14:07:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49038A8C.4040700@1starnet.com> Hi Mel, That was it!!! The plunger was stuck. I was able to make a selection and everything works except that it sticks everytime now. Would a little 3 in 1 machine oil on the plunger possibly fix this? I was going to give this a try but thought better and decided to ask on the list before I did it. Thanks again for all your help! Matt Mel Knight wrote: > Hi Matt! > > Yes, the credit unit is an integral part of the selection system. Even if it's on free play it still operates as normal. Here's the sequence of operation. Obviously you have credit established as it's on free play. When you make a selection, the large plunger on the top of the credit unit actuate the credit wheel to subtract a credit, while pulled in it starts the mechanism to scan back and forth as well as releasing the latch solenoid and allowing the keys to pop back up. If the actuator or credit wheel are stuck the unit will buzz loudly (smoke if left on long enough), and scan back and forth forever. I'm pretty confident that's what's happening. That would explain how it did it at the party, returned to normal and now is doing it again!! Mel > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > From pinball at telus.net Sat Oct 25 14:18:31 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Oct 25 14:19:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Owners Wanted In-Reply-To: <3A70B5CBB6014795BA203EFD3EF23A96@StudioPC> References: <3A70B5CBB6014795BA203EFD3EF23A96@StudioPC> Message-ID: <49038D27.8020402@telus.net> Bob Killough wrote: > Hello - I am interested in communicating with jukebox owners with Rockola and AMI jukeboxes. > > I am aware of the Seeburg yahoo group. > > Any other groups around? Please contact me. > > Thanks....Bob in Portland, Oregon > > Well, you've found the Jukebox Mail List - we talk about all makes and models... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Sat Oct 25 14:19:55 2008 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Sat Oct 25 14:20:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection Message-ID: Hey Matt!! Woo Hoo! Congrats! The best way to clean and lube it is to disassemble clean and lube, however, it can be a bit of a challenge for the non tech You could try to lube it, but it still might need more cleaning. If the plunger is sticking in the coil, than you could try some spray cleaner in the shaft and see if that helps But remember that most aerosol cleaners are FLAMMABLE... Allow the vapors to dissipate and the lube to dry before trying. Lube it and work the parts manually, might just do it! Mel From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Oct 25 14:46:29 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Oct 25 14:48:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Owners Wanted Message-ID: <20081025.174629.18794.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Hello Bob: I operate a part-time repair/restoration business in the metro Atlanta, Ga area. I get quite a few service call referrals for owners of jukeboxes asking for tech help on an as-needed basis. These are for residential machines, that I didn't sell originally. There are a lot of Rowe-AMI owners in Atlanta. Most of these seem to be 70's-80's vinyl-playing models. This might be due to the fact that the Rowe distributor in Atlanta runs a hyper-active business (they seem to be everywhere) and that most vending companies having music routes will buy new Rowe gear. Many of these customers say they bought used jukes locally or from E Bay. The next brand that you see in commercial use is NSM. You'll find the occasional Rock Ola in commercial use and a few home classic vinyl players. A home recreation store chain here has a Rockola dealership for home sales of their new replica models,but they offer no service. There are quite a few non-commercial, late model Wurlitzer OMT owners here,even though the nearest Wurlitzer distributor is in Jacksonville FL. I've never set up a database of my service customers, and what jukebox(es) they own. I've typically bought (most from vending companies,out of state) and sold restored classic Wurlitzer Seeburg and Rock Ola jukes. Hope this overview helps your research, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Take a break - you deserve it. Click here to find a great vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4uE5H6zXtR52LNqZPhW6L1mVIH66iuA0NdiPPvqmtvrb2xT3/?count=1234567890 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 15:51:49 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Oct 25 15:52:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Owners Wanted In-Reply-To: <3A70B5CBB6014795BA203EFD3EF23A96@StudioPC> Message-ID: <701432.7435.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Bob Killough wrote: > Hello - I am interested in communicating with jukebox owners > with Rockola and AMI jukeboxes. I have three AMIs, a Model A, G-200 and JAN-200, although the JAN needs work. It's hasn't picked up selections sing about 1980. :-) I hear the microswitches in the stopping switch levers can go bad. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 18:36:16 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Oct 25 18:37:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection In-Reply-To: <49038A8C.4040700@1starnet.com> Message-ID: <390112.83057.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Matt, If you are sure that the "plunger" itself is what is sticking, not the rotary wheel or one of the spring loaded "fingers" ( that "push" or "pull" the ) wheel, you need to look at the rear "plunger stop" bracket. Look at the rear, dead?center, and see if there is a small brass stop in it or a "hole". Either way, you should remove the two screws holding it on and watch for something stuck inside the coil plunger shaft. Most likely you will find the other end of that brass stop. It must be replaced. Contact me off list and I'll "'splain" what to do-- Do NOT use 3inOne (Multi pupose or household) anywhere in that jukebox!! Ron Rich --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Matt Patterson wrote: From: Matt Patterson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] L100 just scans and unable to make selection To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 2:07 PM Hi Mel, That was it!!! The plunger was stuck. I was able to make a selection and everything works except that it sticks everytime now. Would a little 3 in 1 machine oil on the plunger possibly fix this? I was going to give this a try but thought better and decided to ask on the list before I did it. Thanks again for all your help! Matt Mel Knight wrote: > Hi Matt! > > Yes, the credit unit is an integral part of the selection system. Even if it's on free play it still operates as normal. Here's the sequence of operation. Obviously you have credit established as it's on free play. When you make a selection, the large plunger on the top of the credit unit actuate the credit wheel to subtract a credit, while pulled in it starts the mechanism to scan back and forth as well as releasing the latch solenoid and allowing the keys to pop back up. If the actuator or credit wheel are stuck the unit will buzz loudly (smoke if left on long enough), and scan back and forth forever. I'm pretty confident that's what's happening. That would explain how it did it at the party, returned to normal and now is doing it again!! Mel > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 19:12:18 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Oct 25 19:13:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Whurly question, Message-ID: <486879.22451.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Does anyone know for sure when WurliTizer USA changed (phono model)?from Ger. to Sil. output transistors? TIA, ?Ron Rich From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Sat Oct 25 19:27:30 2008 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Sat Oct 25 19:29:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Duplicate jukebox tags available Message-ID: <161CBB97D74348CCA1F69CB0AAAF6C55@DFLXW121> I have some extra tags that I don't need. I'll make them available for a self addressed stamped envelope. Email me at BinghamtonRadio@gmail.com and I'll send you a list of what I have. Jon Scaptura From 19k20 at comcast.net Sat Oct 25 19:40:51 2008 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sat Oct 25 19:41:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes In-Reply-To: <20081025.151240.2029.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081025.151240.2029.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001901c93714$42f250a0$c8d6f1e0$@net> Jim, Just posted a pic of the type of fuse I have been describing.(saw it needs approved by a moderator....exceeds limit) It is as you describe except the body is not glass and transparent...more like an opaque white plastic...therefore I couldn't see the filament. As for my TT issue, everything moves freely. The black sliding shaft( with the teeth attached), when the shaft slides counter clockwise, to engage and pop the pins....a little tab, cutout and bent in an upward direction towards the back and outside of the black sliding shaft, causes a leaf switch to ride up the tab, break contact, and stop the worm gear..issue is when its set close enough to disengage, the teeth on the black shaft are too close to the pin bank preventing the pins to be reset and move to next selection. The same song gets selected over and over.... I would be happy to send you a pic of what I am describing...Might even try to post a You Tube of it occurring. Sorry to keep wasting space with the same problem.....you may contact me offline, if you wish, to hash this out further.....19k20@comcast.net Thanks again to everyone who freely shares advice, troubleshooting tips and camaraderie. This is great reading. By the way.....in the 545 amp...right in the middle of the printed circuit board looks like a rheostat,black faced in color, adjustable with a straight slot screwdriver.....what does this adjust....if anything? I have not messed with it....don't know that it does. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:13 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes Ssg. Myers: Thank You for your service to the country. Regarding your Wurl. 3010: I'm glad you were able to troubleshoot and repair the cause of your 28 volt DC short-ckt in the Top Tunes switching and find the resulting open fuse. I'm pretty familiar with the circuits of both the 3000 Wurlitzer jukes and the model 545 amplifier. There normally isn't any "in-line" type fuses (sealed in tape, plastic shrink-wrap or otherwise) in that unit. All the fuses should be installed in chassis-mounted,bayonet-style fuseholders. Apparently, this is an after-the-fact modification made by someone to your machine. The switch contacts on the top tunes assembly normally haven't been a service problem that I'm aware of.... The sliding parts of that assembly need to be free of dust and grit so they operate freely and don't hang up. The black sliding shaft (with the 10 teeth to release the top tunes selector pins) should have a lash adjustment at one end, with a machine screw, in order to fine-tune the amount of it's travel by the top tunes motor. Hope this addresses your question, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Click to get a free auto insurance quotes from top companies. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4tyCCfI0ggm1tUetz1xJqeg 8i1lAexc0rRvmr3TfP2LyJChQ/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Sat Oct 25 21:16:17 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Oct 25 21:17:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Owners Wanted In-Reply-To: <701432.7435.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <701432.7435.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4903EF11.3030202@telus.net> David Breneman wrote: > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Bob Killough wrote: > > >> Hello - I am interested in communicating with jukebox owners >> with Rockola and AMI jukeboxes. >> > > I have three AMIs, a Model A, G-200 and JAN-200, although the > JAN needs work. It's hasn't picked up selections sing about > 1980. :-) I hear the microswitches in the stopping switch > levers can go bad. > > > I have a little page on fixing Rowe/AMI jukeboxes you might find of some use: http://flippers.com/ami-rowe.html John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jay at west.net Sat Oct 25 21:50:11 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Oct 25 21:51:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes In-Reply-To: <89F0C7BC442CB246AC57C0454D5022367DE96D19@PKDWES1V1.EQ.Intranet> References: <89F0C7BC442CB246AC57C0454D5022367DE96D19@PKDWES1V1.EQ.Intranet> Message-ID: <4903F703.3050802@west.net> Myers, Rich D [EQ] wrote: > Now I have done it. Figured out it was the release relay keeping the Top Tunes engaged. So, after being very careful all night to make sure power was off....at 1:00 am....I forgot. My small screwdriver grounded the hot wire on the release relay to the TT assembly mounted on the pin bank.....Needless to say the entire mechanism lost power. There is no power currently to the mechanism. I have checked all the fuses.....some probably OEM because they are wrapped in masking tape, so I can't really see if they are blown or not. Test fuses with an ohmmeter or continuity test light, visual inspection isn't guaranteed to show a blown fuse. > There is no power to the keyboard, free play switch, or when I drop in a coin. Hopefully this is a fuse, but I am not sure where to start. This box has been retrofitted with a 545 amp and there are a 4 or so fuses along the bottom. They are the ones with tape. Does one of them regulate power to the chassis? I have looked at the fuse on chassis, the fuse on the PlayRak...both good. Some of the fuses on the amplifier chassis indeed control power to the mech. > Which pins should I check for on the cable running to the chassis from the amp to see if power is at least getting there? Do you have a manual and a multimeter? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Sat Oct 25 21:59:37 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Oct 25 22:00:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3000 amplifiers 545-546 In-Reply-To: <3154d3690810241640k18290c21l8ef58dc5d8badaf2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081024.190625.16155.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> <3154d3690810241640k18290c21l8ef58dc5d8badaf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4903F939.4030601@west.net> Jens Hultgren wrote: > Thanks James for that - - - see, that's why people like you and Ron Rich are > such assets to a group like this. > You have first hand knowledge and experience is invaluable.! > > 545 was the last tube amplifier. 546-550 were solid state. > > Jens Correct, but the 545 and 546 at least are both electrically and mechanically interchangeable. A 545 from a 2800 will fit the swivel out mounting in a 2900 or 3000, the various plugs to the mech, lights, etc. all will fit and it will work without modification. similarly, a 546 will drop into a 2800. I can't speak for the 547-550 but I believe that they are similar. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Sat Oct 25 22:07:38 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Oct 25 22:08:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Twitter spam In-Reply-To: <490365da301ee_442a155559af76981169b@web067.twitter.com.tmail> References: <490365da301ee_442a155559af76981169b@web067.twitter.com.tmail> Message-ID: <4903FB1A.5070005@west.net> Folks, please be careful. Social networking sites that ask for your email account password or otherwise request access to or copies of your address books are best avoided. These are classic spam and virus vectors. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jay at west.net Sat Oct 25 22:18:48 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Oct 25 22:19:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes In-Reply-To: <001901c93714$42f250a0$c8d6f1e0$@net> References: <20081025.151240.2029.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <001901c93714$42f250a0$c8d6f1e0$@net> Message-ID: <4903FDB8.10408@west.net> Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > Jim, > > Just posted a pic of the type of fuse I have been describing.(saw it needs > approved by a moderator....exceeds limit) It is as you describe except the > body is not glass and transparent...more like an opaque white > plastic...therefore I couldn't see the filament. Probably a ceramic body. Some glass fuses are only rated to 32 volts in the higher amperage values. At higher voltages, the metal fuse element can sputter and coat the inside of the glass envelope in the event of a short. Higher voltages will arc across this and cause a blown fuse to still conduct. At higher amperages, the fuse body is filled with ceramic on fuses designed for higher voltages. This dissipates the heat in the event of a short that keeps the fuse metal from vaporizing and arcing over. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 22:27:25 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Oct 25 22:28:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Twitter spam In-Reply-To: <4903FB1A.5070005@west.net> Message-ID: <887246.1401.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Folks, please be careful. Social networking sites that ask > for your email account password or otherwise request access > to or copies of your address books are best avoided. And don't forget: In twitter, everyone is a twit. :-) From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Sat Oct 25 22:39:55 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Sat Oct 25 22:40:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts Galore In-Reply-To: <399a86d1b9f65359b8ca6136c231c2cf@verizon.net> Message-ID: <977101.181.qm@web54602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> how is the glass and plastic??? --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Joshua Tabor wrote: From: Joshua Tabor Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parts Galore To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 12:56 PM Hello Everyone, Just a quick note to let everybody know that I am parting out a Rock-ola 1438 Comet within the week. Cabinet was awful but insides are clean! If anyone is in need of parts, please feel free to contact me off list. Thanks, Josh Tabor _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 25 23:59:03 2008 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Sun Oct 26 00:00:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Owners Wanted In-Reply-To: <701432.7435.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hi, I had a jao and replaces all of the sws, much better after that rick >From: David Breneman >Reply-To: david_breneman@yahoo.com,Jukebox mailing list > >To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Owners Wanted >Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:51:49 -0700 (PDT) > > >--- On Sat, 10/25/08, Bob Killough wrote: > > > Hello - I am interested in communicating with jukebox owners > > with Rockola and AMI jukeboxes. > >I have three AMIs, a Model A, G-200 and JAN-200, although the >JAN needs work. It's hasn't picked up selections sing about >1980. :-) I hear the microswitches in the stopping switch >levers can go bad. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 07:38:39 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Oct 26 07:39:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes In-Reply-To: <001901c93714$42f250a0$c8d6f1e0$@net> Message-ID: <224896.87459.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Sarge. The "white fuse" is a ceramic (body) fuse. It is supposed to be "safer" then a glass body fuse, because, when it "blows" the body will contain the elements of the fuse, unlike glass which may be broken when the fuse blows. At least that's what I have been told. BTW--the list will not allow photo's--search "ceramic fuse" -- look at Radio?Shack micro wave ovens fuses for a photo.? Hope you get that Wurly fixed !--Thanks again for your service ! ?Ron Rich? --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 7:40 PM Jim, Just posted a pic of the type of fuse I have been describing.(saw it needs approved by a moderator....exceeds limit) It is as you describe except the body is not glass and transparent...more like an opaque white plastic...therefore I couldn't see the filament. As for my TT issue, everything moves freely. The black sliding shaft( with the teeth attached), when the shaft slides counter clockwise, to engage and pop the pins....a little tab, cutout and bent in an upward direction towards the back and outside of the black sliding shaft, causes a leaf switch to ride up the tab, break contact, and stop the worm gear..issue is when its set close enough to disengage, the teeth on the black shaft are too close to the pin bank preventing the pins to be reset and move to next selection. The same song gets selected over and over.... I would be happy to send you a pic of what I am describing...Might even try to post a You Tube of it occurring. Sorry to keep wasting space with the same problem.....you may contact me offline, if you wish, to hash this out further.....19k20@comcast.net Thanks again to everyone who freely shares advice, troubleshooting tips and camaraderie. This is great reading. By the way.....in the 545 amp...right in the middle of the printed circuit board looks like a rheostat,black faced in color, adjustable with a straight slot screwdriver.....what does this adjust....if anything? I have not messed with it....don't know that it does. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:13 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes Ssg. Myers: Thank You for your service to the country. Regarding your Wurl. 3010: I'm glad you were able to troubleshoot and repair the cause of your 28 volt DC short-ckt in the Top Tunes switching and find the resulting open fuse. I'm pretty familiar with the circuits of both the 3000 Wurlitzer jukes and the model 545 amplifier. There normally isn't any "in-line" type fuses (sealed in tape, plastic shrink-wrap or otherwise) in that unit. All the fuses should be installed in chassis-mounted,bayonet-style fuseholders. Apparently, this is an after-the-fact modification made by someone to your machine. The switch contacts on the top tunes assembly normally haven't been a service problem that I'm aware of.... The sliding parts of that assembly need to be free of dust and grit so they operate freely and don't hang up. The black sliding shaft (with the 10 teeth to release the top tunes selector pins) should have a lash adjustment at one end, with a machine screw, in order to fine-tune the amount of it's travel by the top tunes motor. Hope this addresses your question, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Click to get a free auto insurance quotes from top companies. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4tyCCfI0ggm1tUetz1xJqeg 8i1lAexc0rRvmr3TfP2LyJChQ/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Oct 26 08:01:29 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Oct 26 08:02:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT In-Reply-To: <423001.8732.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <000001c936da$e33065a0$a99130e0$@force9.co.uk> <423001.8732.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006001c9377b$ba6276d0$2f276470$@force9.co.uk> Hi Ron, That's the first I've ever known the German Wurlitzer wire do that. But then again I notice a lot of tone arm wire (especially when using that stripped from ipod style earpieces) goes stiff only after a couple of years. One thing though - with that mech, if the little Alen Key grub screws become loose underneath the tone arm base, and the arm becomes out of adjustment, it almost always makes the tone arm kick in at the beginning. Christ knows how many Niagras / Atlantas... etc.. I have been out to where this has happened. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 25 October 2008 20:56 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT Hi Nigel, and Jim, It's not that the wire is brittle, but, it is stiff, and is forcing the tone arm into the starting grove of the record on set down. If I "push' it "back", the needle will set down in the correct area--for awhile, until the wire resumes it's original position-- Ron --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 12:50 PM Hi Ron, I have just been out to a Wurlitzer Niagra yesterday. It had another problem, but when I repaired that and got it up and running, it was doing exactly the same as you say. When I tipped the mech up, all of the joints operated by the underside of the gripper assembly, that control the tone arm movement, were really stiff. I had not taken any lubricant as I had gone there to change a microswitch. In desperation the guy had some oil and some WD40. I had to sit there for 10 minutes jiggling the joints around underneath in order to free them off (all of the tone arm related joints). Purely due to lack of use I reckon. In the end they were all nicely free, but it took a long while to get it like that. For once, WD40 came in useful! I was amazed how stiff the joints were. Don't worry about the tone arm wire too much. It doesn't really go brittle on those German Wurlitzers, not like the Rowe/Ami wire does. In fact, my 2100 has OMT tone arm cable as it was the most flexible I could get hold of out of all the jukebox stuff. Even German Wurlitzers from the early 70s have good tone arm cable. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 25 October 2008 20:00 To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT Hello Ron: The Wurl. 1015 OMT mechanisms tend to need cleaning/lubing after a period of time despite wurlitzers' advertising that the mechs are lubed for life. At least that's the case here in the hot humid South. What I've had to do on occasion is to remove the tone arm completely from the mech. base plate, clean and lube the pivot shaft and it's contact points. The OEM lubricant tends to cake up and bind after awhile. Personally, I've never seen any of the twisted pair cartridge wires go brittle, even on OMT's made in the 80's. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ All is not lost! Click now for professional data recovery. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4ueVzUpiXH31XZpdlnvkPn6 9OnzP24AUkXOmxEoM56miTtf1/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From johntrav at suddenlink.net Sun Oct 26 07:56:22 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Sun Oct 26 08:17:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Owners Wanted References: <701432.7435.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7F8C122A1AFF4F55ADA3305BC782E3C4@JOHNTRAV> Yes, the microswitches in the stop switch assembly can fail, but the problem is more often with the switch adjustments. The switch leads are soldered in place and are a little tricky to resolder. I don't recommend using crimpon terminals because of the close quarters. One indicator of stop switch problems is if the selection pins are set and the mech skips right over them. There are other possible causes, but this is a more common one. If you don't have a service manual, I suggest that by all means you get one. They are available at Victory Glass www.victoryglass.com and other sources. I had a JAN for 30 years and replaced maybe one switch in that time. Good luck! John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Owners Wanted > > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Bob Killough wrote: > >> Hello - I am interested in communicating with jukebox owners >> with Rockola and AMI jukeboxes. > > I have three AMIs, a Model A, G-200 and JAN-200, although the > JAN needs work. It's hasn't picked up selections sing about > 1980. :-) I hear the microswitches in the stopping switch > levers can go bad. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Oct 26 08:33:56 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Oct 26 08:35:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Owners Wanted In-Reply-To: <7F8C122A1AFF4F55ADA3305BC782E3C4@JOHNTRAV> References: <701432.7435.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7F8C122A1AFF4F55ADA3305BC782E3C4@JOHNTRAV> Message-ID: <006401c93780$42700930$c7501b90$@force9.co.uk> Hi David, John is right here. I would definitely recommend a manual, as the Rowe 1100 mech is a bugger to set up without one, but fantastic when it is set up correctly. You may find you are not even making the selections - i.e. no pins are being popped out. All that will happen then is the mechanism will rotate for just over one cycle, and then stop. Make some selections and see if any pins are actually popping out firstly. (Select B1, the pin is at the top and easy to see). If no pins are popping out, forget the stop switches for a bit, the problem is likely to be in the search unit (or the 30 odd pin comb connector - these always play up after lack of use). If pins are popping out, select and try both A and B side selections. If the stopping switch assembly 'hops' the pins, the stopping switches need adjusting (well, the one will). I have repaired 100's of this mech and like john says, have had only a handful of switch failures in all of them. I can't impress enough here, that you do need the manual. They have all the adjustments and troubleshooting in them. It's worth its weight in gold, as once you sort out this selection problem, you will undoubtedly hit another batch of problems before its all hunky dory. If you need any assistance, please shout up, I love this mechanism and whatever is wrong with it is easily fixable. Nige, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Travelletti Sent: 26 October 2008 14:56 To: david_breneman@yahoo.com; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Owners Wanted Yes, the microswitches in the stop switch assembly can fail, but the problem is more often with the switch adjustments. The switch leads are soldered in place and are a little tricky to resolder. I don't recommend using crimpon terminals because of the close quarters. One indicator of stop switch problems is if the selection pins are set and the mech skips right over them. There are other possible causes, but this is a more common one. If you don't have a service manual, I suggest that by all means you get one. They are available at Victory Glass www.victoryglass.com and other sources. I had a JAN for 30 years and replaced maybe one switch in that time. Good luck! John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Owners Wanted > > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Bob Killough wrote: > >> Hello - I am interested in communicating with jukebox owners >> with Rockola and AMI jukeboxes. > > I have three AMIs, a Model A, G-200 and JAN-200, although the > JAN needs work. It's hasn't picked up selections sing about > 1980. :-) I hear the microswitches in the stopping switch > levers can go bad. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 08:57:41 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Oct 26 08:58:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list]AMi's-was- Jukebox Owners Wanted In-Reply-To: <7F8C122A1AFF4F55ADA3305BC782E3C4@JOHNTRAV> Message-ID: <271483.70053.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Also, an indication of a faulty swith is when they "pull the correct pin" but select one (or seldom, two) records PAST the "pulled" pin. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 10/26/08, John Travelletti wrote: From: John Travelletti Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Owners Wanted To: david_breneman@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 7:56 AM Yes, the microswitches in the stop switch assembly can fail, but the problem is more often with the switch adjustments. The switch leads are soldered in place and are a little tricky to resolder. I don't recommend using crimpon terminals because of the close quarters. One indicator of stop switch problems is if the selection pins are set and the mech skips right over them. There are other possible causes, but this is a more common one. If you don't have a service manual, I suggest that by all means you get one. They are available at Victory Glass www.victoryglass.com and other sources. I had a JAN for 30 years and replaced maybe one switch in that time. Good luck! John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Owners Wanted > > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Bob Killough wrote: > >> Hello - I am interested in communicating with jukebox owners >> with Rockola and AMI jukeboxes. > > I have three AMIs, a Model A, G-200 and JAN-200, although the > JAN needs work. It's hasn't picked up selections sing about > 1980. :-) I hear the microswitches in the stopping switch > levers can go bad. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 09:03:53 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Oct 26 09:05:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT In-Reply-To: <006001c9377b$ba6276d0$2f276470$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <277324.82509.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Nigel, Perhaps this one is more sensitive because it's in a OMT, sitting with it's back, facing a large window?--a lot of heat there, an "oven"?! --and it does not get used very often--Ron Rich --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 8:01 AM Hi Ron, That's the first I've ever known the German Wurlitzer wire do that. But then again I notice a lot of tone arm wire (especially when using that stripped from ipod style earpieces) goes stiff only after a couple of years. One thing though - with that mech, if the little Alen Key grub screws become loose underneath the tone arm base, and the arm becomes out of adjustment, it almost always makes the tone arm kick in at the beginning. Christ knows how many Niagras / Atlantas... etc.. I have been out to where this has happened. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 25 October 2008 20:56 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT Hi Nigel, and Jim, It's not that the wire is brittle, but, it is stiff, and is forcing the tone arm into the starting grove of the record on set down. If I "push' it "back", the needle will set down in the correct area--for awhile, until the wire resumes it's original position-- Ron --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 12:50 PM Hi Ron, I have just been out to a Wurlitzer Niagra yesterday. It had another problem, but when I repaired that and got it up and running, it was doing exactly the same as you say. When I tipped the mech up, all of the joints operated by the underside of the gripper assembly, that control the tone arm movement, were really stiff. I had not taken any lubricant as I had gone there to change a microswitch. In desperation the guy had some oil and some WD40. I had to sit there for 10 minutes jiggling the joints around underneath in order to free them off (all of the tone arm related joints). Purely due to lack of use I reckon. In the end they were all nicely free, but it took a long while to get it like that. For once, WD40 came in useful! I was amazed how stiff the joints were. Don't worry about the tone arm wire too much. It doesn't really go brittle on those German Wurlitzers, not like the Rowe/Ami wire does. In fact, my 2100 has OMT tone arm cable as it was the most flexible I could get hold of out of all the jukebox stuff. Even German Wurlitzers from the early 70s have good tone arm cable. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 25 October 2008 20:00 To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT Hello Ron: The Wurl. 1015 OMT mechanisms tend to need cleaning/lubing after a period of time despite wurlitzers' advertising that the mechs are lubed for life. At least that's the case here in the hot humid South. What I've had to do on occasion is to remove the tone arm completely from the mech. base plate, clean and lube the pivot shaft and it's contact points. The OEM lubricant tends to cake up and bind after awhile. Personally, I've never seen any of the twisted pair cartridge wires go brittle, even on OMT's made in the 80's. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ All is not lost! Click now for professional data recovery. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4ueVzUpiXH31XZpdlnvkPn6 9OnzP24AUkXOmxEoM56miTtf1/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Oct 26 09:43:01 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Oct 26 09:44:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT In-Reply-To: <277324.82509.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <006001c9377b$ba6276d0$2f276470$@force9.co.uk> <277324.82509.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006a01c93789$e9156330$bb402990$@force9.co.uk> Could well be Ron. Come and live in England - we never have that problem - its never hot :-) Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 26 October 2008 16:04 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT Hi Nigel, Perhaps this one is more sensitive because it's in a OMT, sitting with it's back, facing a large window?--a lot of heat there, an "oven"?! --and it does not get used very often--Ron Rich --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 8:01 AM Hi Ron, That's the first I've ever known the German Wurlitzer wire do that. But then again I notice a lot of tone arm wire (especially when using that stripped from ipod style earpieces) goes stiff only after a couple of years. One thing though - with that mech, if the little Alen Key grub screws become loose underneath the tone arm base, and the arm becomes out of adjustment, it almost always makes the tone arm kick in at the beginning. Christ knows how many Niagras / Atlantas... etc.. I have been out to where this has happened. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 25 October 2008 20:56 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT Hi Nigel, and Jim, It's not that the wire is brittle, but, it is stiff, and is forcing the tone arm into the starting grove of the record on set down. If I "push' it "back", the needle will set down in the correct area--for awhile, until the wire resumes it's original position-- Ron --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 12:50 PM Hi Ron, I have just been out to a Wurlitzer Niagra yesterday. It had another problem, but when I repaired that and got it up and running, it was doing exactly the same as you say. When I tipped the mech up, all of the joints operated by the underside of the gripper assembly, that control the tone arm movement, were really stiff. I had not taken any lubricant as I had gone there to change a microswitch. In desperation the guy had some oil and some WD40. I had to sit there for 10 minutes jiggling the joints around underneath in order to free them off (all of the tone arm related joints). Purely due to lack of use I reckon. In the end they were all nicely free, but it took a long while to get it like that. For once, WD40 came in useful! I was amazed how stiff the joints were. Don't worry about the tone arm wire too much. It doesn't really go brittle on those German Wurlitzers, not like the Rowe/Ami wire does. In fact, my 2100 has OMT tone arm cable as it was the most flexible I could get hold of out of all the jukebox stuff. Even German Wurlitzers from the early 70s have good tone arm cable. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 25 October 2008 20:00 To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT Hello Ron: The Wurl. 1015 OMT mechanisms tend to need cleaning/lubing after a period of time despite wurlitzers' advertising that the mechs are lubed for life. At least that's the case here in the hot humid South. What I've had to do on occasion is to remove the tone arm completely from the mech. base plate, clean and lube the pivot shaft and it's contact points. The OEM lubricant tends to cake up and bind after awhile. Personally, I've never seen any of the twisted pair cartridge wires go brittle, even on OMT's made in the 80's. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ All is not lost! Click now for professional data recovery. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4ueVzUpiXH31XZpdlnvkPn6 9OnzP24AUkXOmxEoM56miTtf1/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 09:52:29 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Oct 26 09:53:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT In-Reply-To: <006a01c93789$e9156330$bb402990$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <734275.97459.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Nigel, I seldom have that problem in my home too---average temp. here is 65-75?F (18.33?-23.88 C) during the day--night 40-50 F?( 4.44- 10 C)-- Ron Rich --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 9:43 AM Could well be Ron. Come and live in England - we never have that problem - its never hot :-) Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 26 October 2008 16:04 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT Hi Nigel, Perhaps this one is more sensitive because it's in a OMT, sitting with it's back, facing a large window?--a lot of heat there, an "oven"?! --and it does not get used very often--Ron Rich --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 8:01 AM Hi Ron, That's the first I've ever known the German Wurlitzer wire do that. But then again I notice a lot of tone arm wire (especially when using that stripped from ipod style earpieces) goes stiff only after a couple of years. One thing though - with that mech, if the little Alen Key grub screws become loose underneath the tone arm base, and the arm becomes out of adjustment, it almost always makes the tone arm kick in at the beginning. Christ knows how many Niagras / Atlantas... etc.. I have been out to where this has happened. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 25 October 2008 20:56 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT Hi Nigel, and Jim, It's not that the wire is brittle, but, it is stiff, and is forcing the tone arm into the starting grove of the record on set down. If I "push' it "back", the needle will set down in the correct area--for awhile, until the wire resumes it's original position-- Ron --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 12:50 PM Hi Ron, I have just been out to a Wurlitzer Niagra yesterday. It had another problem, but when I repaired that and got it up and running, it was doing exactly the same as you say. When I tipped the mech up, all of the joints operated by the underside of the gripper assembly, that control the tone arm movement, were really stiff. I had not taken any lubricant as I had gone there to change a microswitch. In desperation the guy had some oil and some WD40. I had to sit there for 10 minutes jiggling the joints around underneath in order to free them off (all of the tone arm related joints). Purely due to lack of use I reckon. In the end they were all nicely free, but it took a long while to get it like that. For once, WD40 came in useful! I was amazed how stiff the joints were. Don't worry about the tone arm wire too much. It doesn't really go brittle on those German Wurlitzers, not like the Rowe/Ami wire does. In fact, my 2100 has OMT tone arm cable as it was the most flexible I could get hold of out of all the jukebox stuff. Even German Wurlitzers from the early 70s have good tone arm cable. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 25 October 2008 20:00 To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 45 rpm OMT Hello Ron: The Wurl. 1015 OMT mechanisms tend to need cleaning/lubing after a period of time despite wurlitzers' advertising that the mechs are lubed for life. At least that's the case here in the hot humid South. What I've had to do on occasion is to remove the tone arm completely from the mech. base plate, clean and lube the pivot shaft and it's contact points. The OEM lubricant tends to cake up and bind after awhile. Personally, I've never seen any of the twisted pair cartridge wires go brittle, even on OMT's made in the 80's. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ All is not lost! Click now for professional data recovery. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4ueVzUpiXH31XZpdlnvkPn6 9OnzP24AUkXOmxEoM56miTtf1/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 09:57:19 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Oct 26 09:58:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Owners Wanted In-Reply-To: <7F8C122A1AFF4F55ADA3305BC782E3C4@JOHNTRAV> Message-ID: <744385.19381.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 10/26/08, John Travelletti wrote: > One indicator of stop switch > problems is if the selection pins are set and the mech > skips right over them. That's exactly what it does. I put it away at the time and concentrated on other machines. But it's still out in the garage awaiting its renaissance. It needs an amp rebuild, too. I really like the swirly-light panels between the top title strip holders (the ones you can remove to make it a 160-selection machine). Very classy understated touch for a machine of that era. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 10:06:43 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Oct 26 10:07:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Owners Wanted In-Reply-To: <006401c93780$42700930$c7501b90$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <474893.25836.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Nigel Pugh wrote: > John is right here. I would definitely recommend a manual, > as the Rowe 1100 > mech is a bugger to set up without one, but fantastic when > it is set up correctly. Yes, but like I said earlier, it's a low-priority project. I bought this machine when I was in high school and it was only 11 years old at the time. I'll leave it as an exercise for the student to determine how long ago that was. :-) But it was my regular party machine for a few years and to most people it seemed like a pretty modern machine at the time. There's a picture of it on my still rather thinly populated jukebox page: http://tildebang.com/jukebox From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Sun Oct 26 10:17:19 2008 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Sun Oct 26 10:18:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Duplicate jukebox tags available References: <161CBB97D74348CCA1F69CB0AAAF6C55@DFLXW121> Message-ID: Just to clarify. These are pre-printed original title strips that came with 45 RPM singles. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Scaptura" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:27 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Duplicate jukebox tags available >I have some extra tags that I don't need. I'll make them available for a >self addressed stamped envelope. > Email me at BinghamtonRadio@gmail.com and I'll send you a list of what I > have. > > Jon Scaptura From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 13:34:59 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sun Oct 26 13:36:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Amplifier Message-ID: <359525.25039.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, I have begun to look at the poor old amplifier from my Mexican Rock-Ola 1422. The only thing it would be missing is a couple of bullet holes. I do have a couple of questions. I "shotgun" all the caps, clean up the amp and simple stuff like that. When they work I go "Yahoo"! When they don't I take them to the amp guy and he tells me all the dumb things I did after he fixes it. Anyway, I have had 4 of these amps. I know they made several versions, one used a dynamic speaker and the other a PM so there are some differences. Mine is for the dynamic speaker which I have ready to be reconed. The other 3 amps all had a 5U4 rectifier but this one has a 4 pin socket for the rectifier tube. I suppose a 5Z3 or something. Has anyone ever seen this before? Maybe there was a 5U4 shortage in Mexico? (just kidding) I noticed the 6L6 tubes and the 6J5 have pin 1 empty on the schematic. This amp has those all tied together. I cannot see where it would matter but I am curious. It looks like a factory addition so I think it came that way or did they do it just to confuse me. Hope everyone is having a good weekend. Thanks as always! David (darn near in the Geritol Ghetto) From jay at west.net Sun Oct 26 14:34:27 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Oct 26 14:35:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Amplifier In-Reply-To: <359525.25039.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <359525.25039.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4904E263.70700@west.net> david wendell wrote: > I noticed the 6L6 tubes and the 6J5 have pin 1 empty on the schematic. This amp has those all tied together. I cannot see where it would matter but I am curious. It looks like a factory addition so I think it came that way or did they do it just to confuse me. The 6J5 and early 6L6 tubes have metal cases. These are connected to pin 1 and usually tied to chassis ground as a shield. This is true with most metal-cased tubes. Schematics often don't show this as it isn't an electrically active component or tube element. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Oct 26 17:27:49 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Oct 26 17:35:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 need source for GE 303 bulb in junction box Message-ID: I went to look at a Wurlitzer 3300 having selector problems today.It had been in a damp environment and not used for a long time. After getting the frozen selector motor unstuck and cleaning the really bad keyboard contacts the selector motor would run and run with the number and letter keys would stay locked. After much frustration (no manual) I found this bulb open in the junction box marked GE303. If I momentarily jump across the bulb and release one of the relays will click and it will go to the correct selection so now I need this bulb. It is not listed on A1s site or Victory Glass and MCM doesn't list it either. Anyone know where I can buy the bulb? J.C. **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics ? check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 18:17:39 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Oct 26 18:18:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 need source for GE 303 bulb in junction box In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <289266.25685.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > After much frustration (no manual) I found this > bulb open in the junction box marked GE303. If I > momentarily jump across the bulb and release one of > the relays will click and it will go to the correct > selection so now I need this bulb. Grainger lists it, so it must be available at most electronic supply houses: http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/2FLW6 From jay at west.net Sun Oct 26 18:29:47 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Oct 26 18:30:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 need source for GE 303 bulb in junction box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4905198B.7000701@west.net> Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > I went to look at a Wurlitzer 3300 having selector problems today.It had > been in a damp environment and not used for a long time. After getting the > frozen selector motor unstuck and cleaning the really bad keyboard contacts the > selector motor would run and run with the number and letter keys would stay > locked. After much frustration (no manual) I found this bulb open in the > junction box marked GE303. If I momentarily jump across the bulb and release one of > the relays will click and it will go to the correct selection so now I need > this bulb. > > It is not listed on A1s site or Victory Glass and MCM doesn't list it > either. Anyone know where I can buy the bulb? If you're near a municipal airport, the local Cessna or Piper aircraft mechanics shop will have them. Common small aircraft navigation bulb. Refer to it as a "Number 303", the "GE" is the manufacturer. In the Wurlitzer it's used as a current limiter. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 18:54:26 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Oct 26 18:55:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 need source for GE 303 bulb in junction box In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <924249.8968.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> JC, Are you sure that the lamp itself is bad ? Most of the time, I have found that the socket is the problem. Also, I have found a few of those lamps, where the solder connection has opened, and they can be fixed with a touch of a hot iron. As for where to find them--I think the last ones I got were either the Wurly distrib ( long gone) or, for some reason an ACE hardware store (also, sadly, gone in the last few years). If you can't find one,?or fix that one, I MAY have somehere, someware, or, if my memory serves me, you can use two # 57 lamps in series -- but DO check lamp specs. on that---Ron Rich --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 need source for GE 303 bulb in junction box To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 5:27 PM I went to look at a Wurlitzer 3300 having selector problems today.It had been in a damp environment and not used for a long time. After getting the frozen selector motor unstuck and cleaning the really bad keyboard contacts the selector motor would run and run with the number and letter keys would stay locked. After much frustration (no manual) I found this bulb open in the junction box marked GE303. If I momentarily jump across the bulb and release one of the relays will click and it will go to the correct selection so now I need this bulb. It is not listed on A1s site or Victory Glass and MCM doesn't list it either. Anyone know where I can buy the bulb? J.C. **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics ? check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Oct 26 18:57:18 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Oct 26 18:59:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Top Tunes Message-ID: <20081026.215718.11941.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Hello Ssg. Myers: To answer the questions posed in your most recent email: I don't believe you can post pictures on the jukebox-list forum. The bandwidth isn't there to handle a picture. You may want to try e-mailing to me off the list. There are some fuse types that appear to have "solid" interiors inside the glass. In your jukebox, the main power 15A fuse on the back panel of the amp, will mostly be one of these fuses. There is an adjustment to control the movement of the Top Tunes sliding bar that you're talking about. The problems you're describing sounds like the bar has too much lateral movement,and needs to be limited. The pot mounted in the middle of the printed ckt board of your 545 amplifier is a cathode bias adjustment for the 12AU7 variable resistance tube. The bias pot adjusts voltage applied to cathodes of tube stages #V-2 and #V-5. This normally needs to be reset by voltmeter when the 12AU7 is replaced. The variable resistance triodes (stereo) are part of the amplifiers' automatic volume control circuit. The purpose of this circuit is to electronically balance the average volume levels between soft and loud recordings. Being able to "fine-tune" this bias adjustment provides a degree of control over the amount of audio compression the AVC circuit introduces to the audio program. Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on real estate schools and make up to $150K/ year http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4t2lBvlnyEb1xlxTSvF1muFYkeRYZOdIa5bkSKqhBvRXb1pU/?count=1234567890 From raker at knology.net Sun Oct 26 19:00:41 2008 From: raker at knology.net (Robert Aker) Date: Sun Oct 26 19:01:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 need source for GE 303 bulb injunction box References: <4905198B.7000701@west.net> Message-ID: <000901c937d7$d0db0240$0301a8c0@desktop> http://www.topbulb.com/ in the search type in 303 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 need source for GE 303 bulb injunction box > Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: >> I went to look at a Wurlitzer 3300 having selector problems today.It had >> been in a damp environment and not used for a long time. After getting >> the frozen selector motor unstuck and cleaning the really bad keyboard >> contacts the selector motor would run and run with the number and letter >> keys would stay locked. After much frustration (no manual) I found this >> bulb open in the junction box marked GE303. If I momentarily jump across >> the bulb and release one of the relays will click and it will go to the >> correct selection so now I need this bulb. >> It is not listed on A1s site or Victory Glass and MCM doesn't list it >> either. Anyone know where I can buy the bulb? > > If you're near a municipal airport, the local Cessna or Piper aircraft > mechanics shop will have them. Common small aircraft navigation bulb. > Refer to it as a "Number 303", the "GE" is the manufacturer. > > In the Wurlitzer it's used as a current limiter. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 19:12:50 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Oct 26 19:13:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 need source for GE 303 bulb in junction box In-Reply-To: <924249.8968.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <576791.53744.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Ron Rich wrote: > I think the last ones I got were > either the Wurly distrib ( long gone) or, for some reason an > ACE hardware store (also, sadly, gone in the last few > years). Wow, I've got two Ace Hardware stores within 5 miles of my house (same owner) and they've been doing quite well even though a Club Depot opened only a few more miles farther north. Customer service keeps me and many others coming back, along with lower prices on a surprisingly wide range of items. Recent example: 20w 12V halogen bulb for low voltage yard lights. $7 for a no-name brand at depot, <$4 for GE at Ace. From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Oct 26 19:11:27 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Oct 26 19:18:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 need source for GE 303 bulb in junction box Message-ID: I did take it out of the socket and check the continuity. I didn't try the soldering iron trick but I'd rather have one when I go back over there. There is an ACE hardware around here. I'll check there. I have since found it on a couple of sites but the minimum quantity order is 10 of them. Thanks J.C. In a message dated 10/26/2008 9:56:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: >JC, >Are you sure that the lamp itself is bad ? Most of the time, I have found that the socket is the >problem. Also, I have found a few of those lamps, where the solder connection has opened, and >they can be fixed with a touch of a hot iron. >As for where to find them--I think the last ones I got were either the Wurly distrib ( long gone) or, >for some reason an ACE hardware store (also, sadly, gone in the last few years). If you can't find >one, or fix that one, I MAY have somehere, someware, or, if my memory serves me, you can use >two # 57 lamps in series -- but DO check lamp specs. on that---Ron Rich **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics ? check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 19:19:15 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Oct 26 19:20:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 need source for GE 303 bulb in junction box In-Reply-To: <768992.67783.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <831036.64322.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Ron Rich wrote: > A-ha YES ! Now I re-call--I did buy a pack of them at > "Granger"--now, where is that "safe > place" that I put them??-- Can you help me with that > too, David?? Ron Rich Well, I'll give it a try, but if you find them first, you'll probably also find the backup tape of my 1996 laptop PC, which I really need to get some audio files off of. It's in the same "safe place" I bet. :-) From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 19:25:37 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Oct 26 19:26:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 need source for GE 303 bulb in junction box In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <897669.45496.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > I have since found it on a > couple of sites but the minimum quantity order is 10 of > them. That's the way most commercial lamps are sold, in packs of 10. But even so, they usually aren't that expensive. Once, in the late 70s, I needed a set of head drum brushes for an Ampex VTR. Four little sticks of carbon the diameter of pencil leads and about 1/4" long. Ampex sold them to me, but I had to buy 12 dozen packs of 10. Still, it was "only" about $25 1970s dollars... This is the machine: http://www.labguysworld.com/XVR-7500_002.jpg From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 19:50:23 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Oct 26 19:51:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT Time warning Message-ID: <827374.93434.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi all, If you live in the USA, in a timezone that uses daylight savings time, you MAY have a "clock problem". Here in the San Fransicko, area LOCAL PBS (Ch 9),?sends out a "time signal", which is "picked up" by most "auto-setting" devices, such as TV's and VCR's.--- Well I just noticed that it's wrong by about an hour and 5 minutes. I guess that it was programmed to "reset to Standard time" last night at 2--however, we now don't reset the clocks on the 26th of Oct. We wait (till the night of the 31/morning of the 1st--I think.).I don't know if this problem exists anwhere else--but a word to the wise--- Ron Rich From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Oct 26 19:51:45 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Oct 26 19:54:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Whurly question, Message-ID: <20081026.225145.1834.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Hello Ron: When did Wurlitzer convert their amps over to silicon transistors? Gee,a good, obscure question. At best, I can give you a half-baked answer by looking at a few schematics. The amplifiers used in models 3700 and 3800 used silicon transistors. The 1974 model 3800 was US Wurlitzer's last juke. Going back, the next service manual I have is for the W3200. (Americana 2) This model has a 548 amplifier, which is a germanium design. I remember having a 3400 (Statesman) in the shop (first model to use the horizontal play mech) and it had a germanium based amp. Of all the jukebox mfrs, Wurlitzer was pretty conservative and not quick to commit to newer product designs. As I recall, almost all pro audio equipment manufacturers quietly changed over to silicon transistor amp designs, circa 1970. This "second generation" design improved solid state amp reliability and sound quality. There were a lot of complaints/criticisms of the early germanium amps, which is probably why some mfrs. kept tube equivalent models available. Ironically, this is now becoming a concern as replacement parts for germanium-based amps are getting scarce. Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Click here for a free search to find an interior design school near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4vGm7d8a0sUXuc7WOzFDP8llCTWfGNbK0WzhDDB3kiFWFqWf/?count=1234567890 From joe400f at shaw.ca Sun Oct 26 20:24:58 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sun Oct 26 20:26:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Volume controls - potentiometers Message-ID: <002d01c937e3$974e3a40$939f4f18@compaq> I am looking to replace the volume potentiometer in my AMI F120. The only mention of the rating of it is in the schematic. It is listed as a 0 - 35k pot. I looked around and a more common size is 0 - 25k and 0 - 50k. Correct me If I am wrong but if I replaced it with the 25k pot, the volume would be reduced? Also, if the 50k pot was used, probably something would be overdriven and would start to sound like a guitar amp? Any ideas? Joey McDonald From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Sun Oct 26 21:13:05 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Sun Oct 26 21:14:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT Time warning In-Reply-To: <827374.93434.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <827374.93434.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Man, I wish they would just leave the darn clock alone. Whomever came up with the idea for DST should be shot no less than 12 dozen times... :) On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Hi all, > If you live in the USA, in a timezone that uses daylight savings time, you > MAY have a "clock problem". Here in the San Fransicko, area LOCAL PBS (Ch > 9), sends out a "time signal", which is "picked up" by most "auto-setting" > devices, such as TV's and VCR's.--- > Well I just noticed that it's wrong by about an hour and 5 minutes. I guess > that it was programmed to "reset to Standard time" last night at 2--however, > we now don't reset the clocks on the 26th of Oct. We wait (till the night of > the 31/morning of the 1st--I think.).I don't know if this problem exists > anwhere else--but a word to the wise--- > Ron Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From jay at west.net Sun Oct 26 21:55:09 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Oct 26 21:56:09 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Volume controls - potentiometers In-Reply-To: <002d01c937e3$974e3a40$939f4f18@compaq> References: <002d01c937e3$974e3a40$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: <490549AD.208@west.net> Joey McDonald wrote: > I am looking to replace the volume potentiometer in my AMI F120. The only mention of the rating of it is in the schematic. It is listed as a 0 - 35k pot. I looked around and a more common size is 0 - 25k and 0 - 50k. > > Correct me If I am wrong but if I replaced it with the 25k pot, the volume would be reduced? > Also, if the 50k pot was used, probably something would be overdriven and would start to sound like a guitar amp? > > > Any ideas? The AMI amplifiers of that era used a shunt volume control to ground. There are only two active wires, and the resistance element "shorts out" a portion of the signal. With the control disconnected, the volume is at full, with it shorted, minimum. A 50K control will work but you'll reach maximum volume at about two-thirds of the rotation. A 25K control won't quite get to full volume all the way up. You can use a 50K control and connect a 100K resistor in parallel for 33.3K, which will be plenty close enough. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Mon Oct 27 04:15:58 2008 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Mon Oct 27 04:17:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg KS 200 Selection Problem Message-ID: <82C7338FA0894716915499996A211022@Graeme> I am conducting the troubleshooting procedure on my KS200. I am up to test J (write in) The lamp remained bright after pulling pricing unit plug. The lamp did not dim after pulling RCSU-1 plug indicating a shorted diode. It is recommended to replace the TEU-1. My TEU-1 has been recapped on at least 2 occasions. The first time was in some distant past by some one that was messy. The last time by my regular amp repairer. He was not impressed having to work on someone else's mess. ( I do not blame him) . He does not like working on this type amp. Prefers chassis type tube amps. The jukebox worked for about 3 months after the amp was recaped. I have a spare TEU-1 that looks to never been touched since new. Would it be better to replace the diode of re cap the spare TEU-1. The Manuel says to replace TEU-1. Graeme Harvey From mattpatt at 1starnet.com Mon Oct 27 04:33:30 2008 From: mattpatt at 1starnet.com (Matt Patterson) Date: Mon Oct 27 04:33:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT Time warning In-Reply-To: References: <827374.93434.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4905A70A.8080909@1starnet.com> My VCR\DVD player and one of my clocks did the same thing. The official time change is November 2nd @ 2:00am. Matt Thomas Teeter wrote: > Man, I wish they would just leave the darn clock alone. Whomever came up > with the idea for DST should be shot no less than 12 dozen times... :) > > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > > >> Hi all, >> If you live in the USA, in a timezone that uses daylight savings time, you >> MAY have a "clock problem". Here in the San Fransicko, area LOCAL PBS (Ch >> 9), sends out a "time signal", which is "picked up" by most "auto-setting" >> devices, such as TV's and VCR's.--- >> Well I just noticed that it's wrong by about an hour and 5 minutes. I guess >> that it was programmed to "reset to Standard time" last night at 2--however, >> we now don't reset the clocks on the 26th of Oct. We wait (till the night of >> the 31/morning of the 1st--I think.).I don't know if this problem exists >> anwhere else--but a word to the wise--- >> Ron Rich >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > > > > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 06:36:41 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Oct 27 06:37:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT Time warning In-Reply-To: <4905A70A.8080909@1starnet.com> Message-ID: <483125.8711.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Matt, Where iz you--was wondering--is this a nationwide problem?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Matt Patterson wrote: From: Matt Patterson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT Time warning To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 4:33 AM My VCR\DVD player and one of my clocks did the same thing. The official time change is November 2nd @ 2:00am. Matt Thomas Teeter wrote: > Man, I wish they would just leave the darn clock alone. Whomever came up > with the idea for DST should be shot no less than 12 dozen times... :) > > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > > >> Hi all, >> If you live in the USA, in a timezone that uses daylight savings time, you >> MAY have a "clock problem". Here in the San Fransicko, area LOCAL PBS (Ch >> 9), sends out a "time signal", which is "picked up" by most "auto-setting" >> devices, such as TV's and VCR's.--- >> Well I just noticed that it's wrong by about an hour and 5 minutes. I guess >> that it was programmed to "reset to Standard time" last night at 2--however, >> we now don't reset the clocks on the 26th of Oct. We wait (till the night of >> the 31/morning of the 1st--I think.).I don't know if this problem exists >> anwhere else--but a word to the wise--- >> Ron Rich >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dave.halford at telent.com Mon Oct 27 06:43:12 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Mon Oct 27 06:44:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT Time warning Message-ID: <20081027134318.3545D20EFFB@blade202.lb.inty.net> May be running off the internal calendar on a VCR regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From lavin at cheqnet.net Mon Oct 27 07:00:12 2008 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Mon Oct 27 07:01:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 need source for GE 303 bulb injunction box References: Message-ID: HI , if you cant find one, I have a account at Graingers, let me know and I will send you one. Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) . ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:27 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 need source for GE 303 bulb injunction box >I went to look at a Wurlitzer 3300 having selector problems today.It had > been in a damp environment and not used for a long time. After getting the > frozen selector motor unstuck and cleaning the really bad keyboard > contacts the > selector motor would run and run with the number and letter keys would > stay > locked. After much frustration (no manual) I found this bulb open in the > junction box marked GE303. If I momentarily jump across the bulb and > release one of > the relays will click and it will go to the correct selection so now I > need > this bulb. > > It is not listed on A1s site or Victory Glass and MCM doesn't list it > either. Anyone know where I can buy the bulb? > > J.C. > > > **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your > favorites, > no registration required and great graphics ? check it out! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= > http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From mattpatt at 1starnet.com Mon Oct 27 06:54:36 2008 From: mattpatt at 1starnet.com (Matt Patterson) Date: Mon Oct 27 07:01:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT Time warning In-Reply-To: <483125.8711.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <483125.8711.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1225115676.24148.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Ron, Brookston, TX about 100 miles NE of Dallas. Matt On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 06:36 -0700, Ron Rich wrote: > Matt, > Where iz you--was wondering--is this a nationwide problem?? Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Matt Patterson wrote: > > From: Matt Patterson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT Time warning > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 4:33 AM > > My VCR\DVD player and one of my clocks did the same thing. The official > time change is November 2nd @ 2:00am. > > Matt > > Thomas Teeter wrote: > > Man, I wish they would just leave the darn clock alone. Whomever came up > > with the idea for DST should be shot no less than 12 dozen times... :) > > > > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Ron Rich > wrote: > > > > > >> Hi all, > >> If you live in the USA, in a timezone that uses daylight savings time, > you > >> MAY have a "clock problem". Here in the San Fransicko, area > LOCAL PBS (Ch > >> 9), sends out a "time signal", which is "picked > up" by most "auto-setting" > >> devices, such as TV's and VCR's.--- > >> Well I just noticed that it's wrong by about an hour and 5 > minutes. I guess > >> that it was programmed to "reset to Standard time" last > night at 2--however, > >> we now don't reset the clocks on the 26th of Oct. We wait (till > the night of > >> the 31/morning of the 1st--I think.).I don't know if this problem > exists > >> anwhere else--but a word to the wise--- > >> Ron Rich > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From mattpatt at 1starnet.com Mon Oct 27 06:56:12 2008 From: mattpatt at 1starnet.com (Matt Patterson) Date: Mon Oct 27 07:03:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT Time warning In-Reply-To: <20081027134318.3545D20EFFB@blade202.lb.inty.net> References: <20081027134318.3545D20EFFB@blade202.lb.inty.net> Message-ID: <1225115772.24148.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> That's what I figured happened. The alarm clock that this happened too also have the date stored in it as well. Matt On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 13:43 +0000, dave.halford@telent.com wrote: > May be running off the internal calendar on a VCR > > regards > > Dave H > > > > > > This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any > attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If > you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this > e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender > immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and > delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or > opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may > not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission cannot > be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can be > intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or > contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any > errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a > result of e-mail transmission or for any damage caused by any virus > transmitted by this email. > > > > Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 07:03:49 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Oct 27 07:04:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT Time warning In-Reply-To: <4905A70A.8080909@1starnet.com> Message-ID: <452867.86621.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Matt Patterson wrote: > My VCR\DVD player and one of my clocks did the same > thing. The official > time change is November 2nd @ 2:00am. > My DVR has the same problem. Even with the time signal, it ignores the new daylight time schedule. I have to set the "timezone offset" on it to +1 for the duration of the overlap. Changing daylight time was one of the stupidest ideas ever. I was working for a small company at the time, and it took us several days to apply the patches to all our servers. The PC guy had even more to do. Imagine what it took a big company to patch thousands of Unix and Windows machines. That little stunt sucked more wealth out of the US economy than any government measure up until the bank bailout. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 07:10:48 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Oct 27 07:11:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT Time warning In-Reply-To: <20081027134318.3545D20EFFB@blade202.lb.inty.net> Message-ID: <196228.38335.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 10/27/08, dave.halford@telent.com > May be running off the internal calendar on a VCR Except that a lot of computers store timezone information separately from the switchover date. There are hundreds of timezone exceptions in the world, and many more diffferences in the start and end of daylight time, in places that have it. Europe uses the daylight time schedule the US used to use. One more reason it was boneheaded to change it in the US. Unix systems store my timezone as "PST8PDT" meaning an 8-hour offset from GMT during standard time, and that we also use daylight time. The calendar for changing is in another file. I'd bet the PBS stations are only broadcasting GMT and the offset, not whether the area is currently in daylight or standard time. From mattpatt at 1starnet.com Mon Oct 27 07:11:43 2008 From: mattpatt at 1starnet.com (Matt Patterson) Date: Mon Oct 27 07:18:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT Time warning In-Reply-To: <452867.86621.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <452867.86621.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1225116703.24285.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> At the time I was working in the IT dept at a hospital. We had 36 servers and 400+ workstations not counting medical equipment to patch. Not fun! Matt On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 07:03 -0700, David Breneman wrote: > --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Matt Patterson wrote: > > > My VCR\DVD player and one of my clocks did the same > > thing. The official > > time change is November 2nd @ 2:00am. > > > > My DVR has the same problem. Even with the time signal, it > ignores the new daylight time schedule. I have to set the > "timezone offset" on it to +1 for the duration of the > overlap. Changing daylight time was one of the stupidest > ideas ever. I was working for a small company at the > time, and it took us several days to apply the patches > to all our servers. The PC guy had even more to do. > Imagine what it took a big company to patch thousands of > Unix and Windows machines. That little stunt sucked more > wealth out of the US economy than any government measure > up until the bank bailout. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Mon Oct 27 10:10:24 2008 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Mon Oct 27 10:25:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 Circuit boards In-Reply-To: <358408.82270.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4902334D.50603@1starnet.com> <358408.82270.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think you're referring to Jack McGill. I've sent him a copy of Matt's e-mail, and asked him to reply. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 2008, October, 24 9:08 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] L100 Circuit boards Matt, If you have lotza $$$, Jack ( Hayword music--I think), in Canada sells them on eBay. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Matt Patterson wrote: From: Matt Patterson Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 Circuit boards To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 1:42 PM Does anyone know where I can get new circuit boards for the L100 amp? I figure if I'm going to have to rebuild the TSU I might as well rebuild the amp and replace the old circuit boards with new. I have checked the usual places, Victory Glass, Vern Tisdale, etc. I know I've seen them being offered before though just can't remember where. Matt _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From mattpatt at 1starnet.com Mon Oct 27 11:27:40 2008 From: mattpatt at 1starnet.com (Matt Patterson) Date: Mon Oct 27 11:34:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lighting Gels In-Reply-To: References: <4902334D.50603@1starnet.com> <358408.82270.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1225132060.24707.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Just wanted to let everyone know in case they weren't aware of this company. I was searching for some way to restore my Seeburg L100's light diffuser (the colors fade out over time) and found that the color gels that are used for stage lighting work very well for this purpose. I did some searching on ebay and found this company that sells them cheaper on their website. http://www.lightingelstore.com/servlet/the-SINGLE-GELS-cln-LEE/Categories The gels work great and was just what I needed to give the dull look of the L100 some life again. Matt From oceanis281 at epix.net Mon Oct 27 12:00:45 2008 From: oceanis281 at epix.net (oceanis281@epix.net) Date: Mon Oct 27 12:01:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Un-subscribe Message-ID: <20081027150045.9mhgw78rwowcccoc@webmail.frontiernet.net> How can I un-subscribe to this list? Getting too many emials for my box -- There is nothing half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 12:01:42 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Oct 27 12:02:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT Time warning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <678927.65427.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Thomas Teeter wrote: > Man, I wish they would just leave the darn clock alone. > Whomever came up > with the idea for DST should be shot no less than 12 dozen > times... :) I for one have no problem with the concept of daylight time. In fact I would find it extremely annoying to have the sun come up before 4:00 AM in June and July, and having light in the sky until almost 10:00 PM those same months is pretty nice if you're out in a boat, etc. It's the concept of *changing* it arbitrarily that ticks me off. There's no good reason for that because this time of year you're just pushing daylight around, not gaining any useful time. It's still dark when you get up and dark when you go to bed no matter what the clock says. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Oct 27 13:24:17 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Oct 27 13:27:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Volume controls - potentiometers Message-ID: <20081027.162417.24592.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Hi Joey: If I had to choose between buying a 25K ohm or 50K ohm pot to use in a circuit calling for a 35K ohm value, I'd buy the 50K. What will typically happen is that you will find that you will have the amp volume ramp up faster on the first one-half rotation of the control. Another description detail of the pot you are buying is it's taper. Most older volume controls are built with what's called an audio taper, meaning that it's resistance value changes more rapidly on the last one-third rotation of the control. A linear taper pot means that the resistance value changes uniformly along the wiper arm travel of the control. Linear taper pots are more common today. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Love Graphic Design? Find a school near you. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4vGi47Y5okNjht0k1saoJ9B56R3gGfxa3WhteHPFi5LBRWHc/?count=1234567890 From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Mon Oct 27 13:50:32 2008 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Mon Oct 27 13:51:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 Circuit boards In-Reply-To: <4902334D.50603@1starnet.com> References: <4902334D.50603@1starnet.com> Message-ID: Hi Matt, I checked with Jack McGill, and he still has the boards. His e-mail is Jack McGill [jacksjukebox@hotmail.com] His phone number is 519-836-2941. I think he had these specially made up a few years ago, and is selling off what ever he has left. I've seen examples, and they appear to be first rate quality. Much better than the originals. Good luck. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Matt Patterson Sent: 2008, October, 24 4:43 PM To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 Circuit boards Does anyone know where I can get new circuit boards for the L100 amp? I figure if I'm going to have to rebuild the TSU I might as well rebuild the amp and replace the old circuit boards with new. I have checked the usual places, Victory Glass, Vern Tisdale, etc. I know I've seen them being offered before though just can't remember where. Matt _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From pinball at telus.net Mon Oct 27 14:08:06 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Oct 27 14:09:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 Circuit boards In-Reply-To: <4902334D.50603@1starnet.com> References: <4902334D.50603@1starnet.com> Message-ID: <49062DB6.3090305@telus.net> Matt Patterson wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can get new circuit boards for the L100 amp? > I figure if I'm going to have to rebuild the TSU I might as well > rebuild the amp and replace the old circuit boards with new. I have > checked the usual places, Victory Glass, Vern Tisdale, etc. I know > I've seen them being offered before though just can't remember where. > > Matt I do not see the advantage to new circuit boards unless the old ones are damaged/cracked/burnt. If you are careful you can replace the parts without damaging the board using a temperature controlled soldering station - this is true for modern and early circuit boards... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From mattpatt at 1starnet.com Mon Oct 27 14:23:11 2008 From: mattpatt at 1starnet.com (Matt Patterson) Date: Mon Oct 27 14:30:09 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 Circuit boards In-Reply-To: <49062DB6.3090305@telus.net> References: <4902334D.50603@1starnet.com> <49062DB6.3090305@telus.net> Message-ID: <1225142591.25322.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've always heard that the old circuit boards were made from a compressed paperlike product that would become brittle with age and has been known to catch on fire when exposed to high temperatures. Is this not true? Matt On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 14:08 -0700, John Robertson wrote: > Matt Patterson wrote: > > > > Does anyone know where I can get new circuit boards for the L100 amp? > > I figure if I'm going to have to rebuild the TSU I might as well > > rebuild the amp and replace the old circuit boards with new. I have > > checked the usual places, Victory Glass, Vern Tisdale, etc. I know > > I've seen them being offered before though just can't remember where. > > > > Matt > I do not see the advantage to new circuit boards unless the old ones are > damaged/cracked/burnt. > > If you are careful you can replace the parts without damaging the board > using a temperature controlled soldering station - this is true for > modern and early circuit boards... > > John :-#)# > From pinball at telus.net Mon Oct 27 14:48:25 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Oct 27 14:49:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 Circuit boards In-Reply-To: <1225142591.25322.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4902334D.50603@1starnet.com> <49062DB6.3090305@telus.net> <1225142591.25322.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49063729.5080100@telus.net> Matt Patterson wrote: > I've always heard that the old circuit boards were made from a > compressed paperlike product that would become brittle with age and has > been known to catch on fire when exposed to high temperatures. Is this > not true? > > Matt > > You can burn fiberglass circuit boards with enough heat as well! I have never heard of this as an problem with jukeboxes and, considering that the soldering iron runs around 700F and the boards do not smoke, I would consider this a non-issue. John :-#)# > On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 14:08 -0700, John Robertson wrote: > >> Matt Patterson wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know where I can get new circuit boards for the L100 amp? >>> I figure if I'm going to have to rebuild the TSU I might as well >>> rebuild the amp and replace the old circuit boards with new. I have >>> checked the usual places, Victory Glass, Vern Tisdale, etc. I know >>> I've seen them being offered before though just can't remember where. >>> >>> Matt >>> >> I do not see the advantage to new circuit boards unless the old ones are >> damaged/cracked/burnt. >> >> If you are careful you can replace the parts without damaging the board >> using a temperature controlled soldering station - this is true for >> modern and early circuit boards... >> >> John :-#)# >> >> > > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jay at west.net Mon Oct 27 15:12:32 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Oct 27 15:13:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Un-subscribe In-Reply-To: <20081027150045.9mhgw78rwowcccoc@webmail.frontiernet.net> References: <20081027150045.9mhgw78rwowcccoc@webmail.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <49063CD0.1010501@west.net> oceanis281@epix.net wrote: > > How can I un-subscribe to this list? Getting too many emials for my box Done! Instructions are in the URL at the bottom of every message. You also have the option (same URL) of selecting a daily digest of each day's list traffic as a single daily email. If you want to do that, let me know. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From johntrav at suddenlink.net Sun Oct 26 14:42:31 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Mon Oct 27 15:21:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Owners Wanted References: <744385.19381.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When rebuilding the amp, check the wire harness to the amp with the red or brown plug for burnt wires. The harness was originally run along the top of the amp and over time the heat from the vacuum tubes would bake the cable cover and the wire insulation, causing the wires to short together. Good luck, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Owners Wanted > > --- On Sun, 10/26/08, John Travelletti wrote: > >> One indicator of stop switch >> problems is if the selection pins are set and the mech >> skips right over them. > > That's exactly what it does. I put it away at the time and > concentrated on other machines. But it's still out in the > garage awaiting its renaissance. It needs an amp rebuild, > too. > > I really like the swirly-light panels between the top > title strip holders (the ones you can remove to make it > a 160-selection machine). Very classy understated touch > for a machine of that era. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From relder at whoi.edu Mon Oct 27 17:19:10 2008 From: relder at whoi.edu (Robert Elder) Date: Mon Oct 27 17:20:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 1015 Message-ID: <49065A7E.8090406@whoi.edu> Greetings all, I am digging into a Wurlitzer 1015, basically in good shape. What is the recommended type of lubricant suggested for all the mechanical parts? Another recent post said NEVER use 3 in 1 oil. WD40 tends to rot rubber parts. So, what is good? bob From pinball at telus.net Mon Oct 27 17:23:59 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Oct 27 17:25:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 1015 In-Reply-To: <49065A7E.8090406@whoi.edu> References: <49065A7E.8090406@whoi.edu> Message-ID: <49065B9F.8020308@telus.net> Robert Elder wrote: > > Greetings all, > I am digging into a Wurlitzer 1015, basically in good shape. What is > the recommended type of lubricant suggested for all the mechanical > parts? Another recent post said NEVER use 3 in 1 oil. WD40 tends to > rot rubber parts. So, what is good? > > bob Non-detergent 20 weight motor oil is pretty safe - is it going to be stored in a hot (+100F), warm ('room temp'), cool, or cold (freezing) location? This can effect the oil weight choice... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 20:08:38 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Oct 27 20:09:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 1015 In-Reply-To: <49065A7E.8090406@whoi.edu> Message-ID: <950461.92374.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Robert Elder wrote: > Another recent post said NEVER use 3 in 1 oil. Most oils sold under the 3 in 1 brand contain paraffin. That's fine if you're oiling a padlock or car door hinge. But it precision equipment, it just gums stuff up. > WD40 tends to rot rubber parts. More important, WD-40 IS NOT A LUBRICANT! It is a marginally effective penetrant, but primarily it's a water dispersant. A friend accidentally dropped his .30-06 hunting rifle in salt water. WD-40 was the rinse of choice. Another friend had an outboard fall off his boat. Again, WD-40 came to the rescue, but both those applications were followed by intensive lubrication. The "zoom spout" turbine oil sold at Ace Hardware stores is a good general purpose lubricant. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 20:46:35 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Oct 27 20:47:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 1015 In-Reply-To: <49065A7E.8090406@whoi.edu> Message-ID: <286877.29792.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bob, See the service manual--it has info in it on oiling. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Robert Elder wrote: From: Robert Elder Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 1015 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 5:19 PM Greetings all, I am digging into a Wurlitzer 1015, basically in good shape. What is the recommended type of lubricant suggested for all the mechanical parts? Another recent post said NEVER use 3 in 1 oil. WD40 tends to rot rubber parts. So, what is good? bob _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Mon Oct 27 20:48:20 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Oct 27 20:49:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 1015 In-Reply-To: <950461.92374.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <950461.92374.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49068B84.8070400@telus.net> David Breneman wrote: > --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Robert Elder wrote: > > >> Another recent post said NEVER use 3 in 1 oil. >> > > Most oils sold under the 3 in 1 brand contain paraffin. > That's fine if you're oiling a padlock or car door > hinge. But it precision equipment, it just gums stuff > up. > > >> WD40 tends to rot rubber parts. >> > > More important, WD-40 IS NOT A LUBRICANT! It is a > marginally effective penetrant, but primarily it's > a water dispersant. A friend accidentally dropped > his .30-06 hunting rifle in salt water. WD-40 was > the rinse of choice. Another friend had an outboard > fall off his boat. Again, WD-40 came to the rescue, > but both those applications were followed by intensive > lubrication. > > The "zoom spout" turbine oil sold at Ace Hardware > stores is a good general purpose lubricant. > > I've used Zoom-Spout for many years and had recommended (and sold) it as well, however I am having second thoughts about it seeing a few machines that have been faithfully oiled with the stuff requiring dismantling and degunking after the oil dries up. Reading the bottle suggests the oil is paraffin based... I'm now leaning to using synthetic oils and will report on their results of long term usage in about ten years. WD-40 is terrible stuff to get on a jukebox or other machine - it will turn the old lubricant to a glue like product after a year or two. Very hard to dismantle - requires warming up. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Oct 27 21:17:16 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Oct 27 21:24:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 1015 Message-ID: I too have noticed the bottle says it contains paraffin. I love the convenient long tube to get in tight,inconvenient places so I use a bottle with 3 in 1 motor oil ,not household oil in it instead of the zoom spout oil that came in it. As far as I know 3 in 1 motor oil is 20 wt oil that contains no wax and is approved by Ron Rich to use in Seeburg motors and on Seeburg mechanisms and I use it on all my jukes so it's ok for Wurlitzers as far as I know. I don't know about 10-20 years down the road but if it did gum up Ron wouldn't recommend it for Seeburgs. J.C. In a message dated 10/27/2008 11:50:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pinball@telus.net writes: I've used Zoom-Spout for many years and had recommended (and sold) it as well, however I am having second thoughts about it seeing a few machines that have been faithfully oiled with the stuff requiring dismantling and degunking after the oil dries up. Reading the bottle suggests the oil is paraffin based... I'm now leaning to using synthetic oils and will report on their results of long term usage in about ten years. WD-40 is terrible stuff to get on a jukebox or other machine - it will turn the old lubricant to a glue like product after a year or two. Very hard to dismantle - requires warming up. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics ? check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Oct 27 21:35:42 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Oct 27 21:43:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 need source for GE 303 bulb in junction box Message-ID: Well I checked ACE and a local electronic/electrical distributer and didn't find one so I ended up ordering a pack from Marco Specialties so I'll probably have enough for a lifetime...lol. Just how many Wurlitzers use that bulb I wonder? I know the 50s Wurlitzers didn't use it. I've also seen an oddball bulb used as a current limiter in a 70s Rockola 450 I worked on.That was a rather large bulb compared to this one. Can't recall the number. At least it wasn't bad. Who knows if that one is available anywhere. J.C. In a message dated 10/26/2008 10:27:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, david_breneman@yahoo.com writes: --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > I have since found it on a > couple of sites but the minimum quantity order is 10 of > them. That's the way most commercial lamps are sold, in packs of 10. But even so, they usually aren't that expensive. Once, in the late 70s, I needed a set of head drum brushes for an Ampex VTR. Four little sticks of carbon the diameter of pencil leads and about 1/4" long. Ampex sold them to me, but I had to buy 12 dozen packs of 10. Still, it was "only" about $25 1970s dollars... This is the machine: http://www.labguysworld.com/XVR-7500_002.jpg _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics ? check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 05:22:57 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Tue Oct 28 05:24:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Lubrication Message-ID: <325989.70128.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, I have been using Mobil 1 synthetic for several years on the 40's Wurlitzers. So far so good. I had also thought about trying Geritol for tired blood but decided not to do that. I have used Tri-Flow on weight driven, spring wound and electric clocks ever since it came out. I have even used it on watches and they still run. I have been known to put a drop on the jukeboxes here and there too. Maybe someday everything will stop but not yet. I think Ron said use WD-40 for adhesive removal, sticky labels etc. He is very wise; it works super great on that stuff! David (From the Geritol Ghetto) From mattpatt at 1starnet.com Tue Oct 28 08:30:14 2008 From: mattpatt at 1starnet.com (Matt Patterson) Date: Tue Oct 28 08:37:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free Play Credit Unit In-Reply-To: <325989.70128.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <325989.70128.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1225207814.26728.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Has anyone tried one of these or have an opinion? http://cgi.ebay.com/FREE-PLAY-CREDIT-UNIT-for-Seeburg-Jukeboxes_W0QQitemZ200268681456 or shorter link... http://tinyurl.com/6jld3v Thanks, Matt From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 28 08:58:35 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Oct 28 08:59:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free Play Credit Unit References: <325989.70128.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1225207814.26728.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <000901c93916$09934540$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I've bought several for the tormat type machines and highly recommend them. Simple plug-in installation and they work great. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Patterson" To: "jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:30 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free Play Credit Unit > > Has anyone tried one of these or have an opinion? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/FREE-PLAY-CREDIT-UNIT-for-Seeburg-Jukeboxes_W0QQitemZ200268681456 > > or shorter link... > > http://tinyurl.com/6jld3v > > > Thanks, > Matt > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From edbap at aol.com Tue Oct 28 09:10:51 2008 From: edbap at aol.com (Ed Baptista) Date: Tue Oct 28 09:18:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free Play Credit Unit In-Reply-To: <000901c93916$09934540$6101a8c0@Dirksen> References: <325989.70128.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225207814.26728.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <000901c93916$09934540$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <8CB072EE1A5CF07-8FC-F61@MBLK-M35.sysops.aol.com> I have bought several over the past few years, and I think they are great. All of my seeburgs going out the door have them now. The beauty of them is you can push a button, either a letter or number, and the coil is energized for about 10 or 15 seconds, and if you fail to complete the selection with the second push of another button, the coil releases, and you can start over.? No coil staying on and getting hot and smokin and burning up your jukebox.? I think a must have, especially if the credit unit on your juke is " iffy". Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net To: mattpatt@1starnet.com; Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 8:58 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Free Play Credit Unit I've bought several for the tormat type machines and highly recommend them. Simple plug-in installation and they work great.? ? Jim? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Patterson" ? To: "jukebox mailing list" ? Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:30 AM? Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free Play Credit Unit? ? >? > Has anyone tried one of these or have an opinion?? >? > http://cgi.ebay.com/FREE-PLAY-CREDIT-UNIT-for-Seeburg-Jukeboxes_W0QQitemZ200268681456? >? > or shorter link...? >? > http://tinyurl.com/6jld3v? >? >? > Thanks,? > Matt? >? > _______________________________________________? > Jukebox-list mailing list? > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? > ? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From stamann at jukebox-world.de Tue Oct 28 14:19:33 2008 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Tue Oct 28 14:20:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Madness Message-ID: <628ABF3B-3DCB-4334-9375-F550DA6B3546@jukebox-world.de> Hello everybody, we're back from the "Jukebox Madness" in London and already uploaded some pictures: http://www.jukebox-world.de/shop/Shows.htm >>> Madness On the end of this site you will also find a link to more pictures made by somebody else. The show was busy, many visitors and nice restored jukeboxes to see. Again, AMI was very popular but also some nice Wurlitzer and Rock-Olas could be seen as well as Sound Leisure jukeboxes (they still manufacture jukeboxes), old pinballs, classic cars and Elvis! Enjoy the pictures! Kidn regards - Hildegard From RoyD13483 at aol.com Tue Oct 28 15:41:43 2008 From: RoyD13483 at aol.com (RoyD13483@aol.com) Date: Tue Oct 28 15:48:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Madness Message-ID: I saw this on your entry to Jukebox-list...what is it? **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics ? check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From evergreener at juno.com Tue Oct 28 16:21:54 2008 From: evergreener at juno.com (evergreener@juno.com) Date: Tue Oct 28 16:25:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Needle oiler with teflon/synthetic oil Message-ID: <20081028.162154.12174.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> I like these oilers for clocks and well everything that needs oil- the long steel needle works great for hard to reach and can be bent for "around the corner oiling." http://www.ronellclock.com/product.sc?categoryId=168&productId=1196 Matthew Cummings Tenino Wa _____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifXQ9MFnCWbNBFTBR3KtncfOS0FiNVIyLXJuVX9TkfNFF1nA/?count=1234567890 From jugert at msn.com Tue Oct 28 16:37:53 2008 From: jugert at msn.com (jugert@msn.com) Date: Tue Oct 28 16:38:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free Play Credit Unit In-Reply-To: <8CB072EE1A5CF07-8FC-F61@MBLK-M35.sysops.aol.com> References: <325989.70128.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225207814.26728.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <000901c93916$09934540$6101a8c0@Dirksen> <8CB072EE1A5CF07-8FC-F61@MBLK-M35.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: (regarding the 1951-55 seeburg 100 select models B-JL) Years ago Always Jukin' printed a drawing showing how to rewire the button selector (switching 2 wires) and installing a little wire to ground out a pin on the credit unit w/toggle switch. I have done 100's of them this way and it only costs a couple of bucks (mirco toggle switch) other than 15 minutes of your time. You basically get the same features as this $80 attachment. Difference between the adapter & my way: besides the $80 bucks, you have to key a letter first and then the number...and your jukebox still looks original. The credit coils only energize while you are selecting. The coils never have a chance to get HOT. It is really nice to listen to your seeburg without the credit coil & latch bar solenoid buzzing. If anyone is interested in this drawing contact me off list and I will try to find it. Don Jugert, Colorado > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Free Play Credit Unit> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:10:51 -0400> From: edbap@aol.com> > I have bought several over the past few years, and I think they are great. All of my seeburgs going out the door have them now.> The beauty of them is you can push a button, either a letter or number, and the coil is energized for about 10 or 15 seconds, and if you fail to complete the selection with the second push of another button, the coil releases, and you can start over.? No coil staying on and getting hot and smokin and burning up your jukebox.? I think a must have, especially if the credit unit on your juke is " iffy".> > > Eddie Baptista> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net> To: mattpatt@1starnet.com; Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 8:58 am> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Free Play Credit Unit> > > I've bought several for the tormat type machines and highly recommend them. Simple plug-in installation and they work great.?> ?> Jim?> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Patterson" ?> To: "jukebox mailing list" ?> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:30 AM?> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free Play Credit Unit?> ?> >?> > Has anyone tried one of these or have an opinion??> >?> > http://cgi.ebay.com/FREE-PLAY-CREDIT-UNIT-for-Seeburg-Jukeboxes_W0QQitemZ200268681456?> >?> > or shorter link...?> >?> > http://tinyurl.com/6jld3v?> >?> >?> > Thanks,?> > Matt?> >?> > _______________________________________________?> > Jukebox-list mailing list?> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com?> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list?> > ?> _______________________________________________?> Jukebox-list mailing list?> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com?> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list?> > _______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Tue Oct 28 19:42:11 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue Oct 28 19:43:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Madness In-Reply-To: <628ABF3B-3DCB-4334-9375-F550DA6B3546@jukebox-world.de> References: <628ABF3B-3DCB-4334-9375-F550DA6B3546@jukebox-world.de> Message-ID: <20081029024106.M70197@dwave.net> Wow, that looks like a great show! Thanks for the photos Hildegard. I like the vintage cars also. Jeremy Agema On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:19:33 +0100, Stamann wrote > Hello everybody, > > we're back from the "Jukebox Madness" in London and already uploaded > some pictures: http://www.jukebox-world.de/shop/Shows.htm >>> > Madness On the end of this site you will also find a link to more > pictures made by somebody else. > > The show was busy, many visitors and nice restored jukeboxes to see. > Again, AMI was very popular but also some nice Wurlitzer and Rock- > Olas could be seen as well as Sound Leisure jukeboxes (they still > manufacture jukeboxes), old pinballs, classic cars and Elvis! > > Enjoy the pictures! > > Kidn regards - Hildegard > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 20:27:13 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Oct 28 20:28:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Madness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <501198.29135.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I have no idea-- someone's tag?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 10/28/08, RoyD13483@aol.com wrote: From: RoyD13483@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Madness To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 3:41 PM I saw this on your entry to Jukebox-list...what is it? **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics ? check it out! 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From drjukebox at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 01:39:09 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Wed Oct 29 01:40:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free Play Credit Unit In-Reply-To: References: <325989.70128.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1225207814.26728.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <000901c93916$09934540$6101a8c0@Dirksen> <8CB072EE1A5CF07-8FC-F61@MBLK-M35.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690810290139n65250d0fl3e94b148fb1e0209@mail.gmail.com> 1985 I was in the Philippines, and there were Seeburgs everywhere.All the ones I played were set up so you deposited a coin and then pushed a letter and a number button simultaneously. Buttons didn't latch - they had done away with the solenid. I think you had to select after each coin. Just an observation. Jens On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:37 AM, wrote: > > (regarding the 1951-55 seeburg 100 select models B-JL) > > Years ago Always Jukin' printed a drawing showing how to rewire the button > selector (switching 2 wires) and installing a little wire to ground out a > pin on the credit unit w/toggle switch. I have done 100's of them this way > and it only costs a couple of bucks (mirco toggle switch) other than 15 > minutes of your time. You basically get the same features as this $80 > attachment. > > Difference between the adapter & my way: besides the $80 bucks, you have to > key a letter first and then the number...and your jukebox still looks > original. The credit coils only energize while you are selecting. The > coils never have a chance to get HOT. It is really nice to listen to your > seeburg without the credit coil & latch bar solenoid buzzing. > > If anyone is interested in this drawing contact me off list and I will try > to find it. > > Don Jugert, Colorado > > > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Free > Play Credit Unit> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:10:51 -0400> From: > edbap@aol.com> > I have bought several over the past few years, and I > think they are great. All of my seeburgs going out the door have them now.> > The beauty of them is you can push a button, either a letter or number, and > the coil is energized for about 10 or 15 seconds, and if you fail to > complete the selection with the second push of another button, the coil > releases, and you can start over.? No coil staying on and getting hot and > smokin and burning up your jukebox.? I think a must have, especially if the > credit unit on your juke is " iffy".> > > Eddie Baptista> > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net> To: > mattpatt@1starnet.com; Jukebox mailing list < > jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com>> Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 8:58 am> Subject: > Re: [Jukebox-list] Free Play Credit Unit> > > I've bought several for the > tormat type machines and highly recommend them. Simple plug-in installation > and they work great.?> ?> Jim?> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt > Patterson" ?> To: "jukebox mailing list" < > jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com>?> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:30 > AM?> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Free Play Credit Unit?> ?> >?> > Has anyone > tried one of these or have an opinion??> >?> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/FREE-PLAY-CREDIT-UNIT-for-Seeburg-Jukeboxes_W0QQitemZ200268681456?> > >?> > or shorter link...?> >?> > http://tinyurl.com/6jld3v?> >?> >?> > > Thanks,?> > Matt?> >?> > _______________________________________________?> > > Jukebox-list mailing list?> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com?> > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list?> > ?> > _______________________________________________?> Jukebox-list mailing > list?> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com?> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list?> > > _______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-listmailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Wed Oct 29 14:15:24 2008 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Wed Oct 29 14:16:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] syllabance problem Message-ID: <69A084AC0E3344E482390F0B0C792AED@DFLXW121> I'm experiencing problems with excessive syllabance when playing many newer releases on my NSM 240-3. It has fresh Ortofon stylii. When playing the records on my home stereo, also with an Ortofon cartridge, I do not hear any syllabance. The amp appears to have fresh caps, and the syllabance is on both channels. Which board has the pre-amp in this juke? Is it on the carriage or the centrale board? Jon Scaptura From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Oct 29 14:38:06 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Wed Oct 29 14:39:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] syllabance problem In-Reply-To: <69A084AC0E3344E482390F0B0C792AED@DFLXW121> References: <69A084AC0E3344E482390F0B0C792AED@DFLXW121> Message-ID: <000601c93a0e$a18f3540$e4ad9fc0$@force9.co.uk> Did you experience the sibillance prior to installing the fresh styli ? As a first port of call, check that. Not all new styli are decent quality in my opinion. Also, feed the output of your hi-fi turntable into the jukebox instead. Select a blank record on the jukebox and ascertain if you are getting the same problem. If you aren't then the problem is the styli, or possibly incorrect tracking on the jukebox (more likely too light). If you still get the sibilance, the problem is amp or speaker related. I think at the moment its worth putting the bits through a process of elimination. I guess it's the same records you have tried on your home stereo and they sound ok there ? If not, maybe the treble on those records has been permanently damaged by a bad stylus or tone-arm/tracking issue previously. Just a few thoughts for starters. One other thing - are the cartridge wires (and possibly speaker wires) in phase ? If not, you will lose bass and the resultant sound will be a bit hollow and will give you some sibilance. On the older mono records however you will not get the same phase cancellation so won't hear the difference so much. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jon Scaptura Sent: 29 October 2008 21:15 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: [Jukebox-list] syllabance problem I'm experiencing problems with excessive syllabance when playing many newer releases on my NSM 240-3. It has fresh Ortofon stylii. When playing the records on my home stereo, also with an Ortofon cartridge, I do not hear any syllabance. The amp appears to have fresh caps, and the syllabance is on both channels. Which board has the pre-amp in this juke? Is it on the carriage or the centrale board? Jon Scaptura _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From relder at whoi.edu Wed Oct 29 17:20:50 2008 From: relder at whoi.edu (Robert Elder) Date: Wed Oct 29 17:21:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] oils for a 1015 Message-ID: <4908FDE2.1050208@whoi.edu> The oiler that Matthew suggested seems like a good thing. Also a cool website for old clock parts. I have some stuff called "KANO Sili Kroil, The Oil that creeps...plus silicone". The label doesn't mention anytng about parrifin in it. Does anyone have any experience with this oil? I use this for other things that are mechanical, but have no long term experience with it. bob From gibson510 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 29 17:58:46 2008 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Wed Oct 29 18:05:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] elvis and jukebox madness Message-ID: I agree, elvis has not aged a bit. Hey did you guys know that Elvis once again was named the top earning dead celebrity of all time. Over 22 million this past year! I guess the curious (and the rich) are still visiting graceland pretty regularly! rick _________________________________________________________________ You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298556/direct/01/ From pinball at telus.net Thu Oct 30 11:37:04 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Oct 30 11:38:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) Message-ID: <4909FED0.2000702@telus.net> Hi Gang, Someone did sell the gears a few years ago, but I can't figure out who... If no-one is making them now I guess I'll have to do it myself (find a small machine shop - again) after doing this back in the early 90s for three machines - at least I still have my notes! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Oct 30 13:05:38 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Oct 30 13:08:09 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) Message-ID: <20081030.160538.10988.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Hello John: I'm playing "butt-insky" here----maybe this fellow can help you. I am aware of an independent jukebox servicer in Columbus, Ohio (US) who wrote a small article in one of the jukebox mags (probably Jukebox Collector) about a project where he was converting an M100A from LP operation back to 78 RPM. I believe he had to do this for two machines, because some of his "one-of-a-kind" mech parts were lost in a UPS shipment. I believe this was about a year ago. You may want to contact him to see if he has the pieces you need. I've bought and traded a few parts with Dan on occasion. It's best to call him evenings. Dan Colabuno PH 740 653 3105 email: dcolabuno@yahoo.com Good luck with your project, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Free information - Learn about Security Cameras. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4tTf9aoP4DspJBSfmLY1r4bsLQc3iyO2BJjlLXUIHZ4eqcbh/?count=1234567890 From ccos at knology.net Thu Oct 30 15:29:26 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Thu Oct 30 15:30:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg STD 160 Message-ID: Ron Rich, I sent you an email right after my last one but sent it to someone else with a mis-click. Just found out about it and don't have your email addy on my laptop. Anyway, wanted to tell you that I found a bad diode on the buffer board and that solved my missing data from line D. I really do appreciate your help. Book or not, I would have probably never found that diode without a friendly shove in the right direction. Got an email from a friend of mine a lil while ago saying "who the heck is Ron and what buffer pcb are you talking about?" LOL Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 15:46:18 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Oct 30 15:47:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) In-Reply-To: <4909FED0.2000702@telus.net> Message-ID: <626869.42797.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 10/30/08, John Robertson wrote: > If no-one is making them now I guess I'll have to do it > myself (find a > small machine shop - again) after doing this back in the > early 90s for > three machines - at least I still have my notes! Do you mean to say that there are really people who will pay to take the best 78 RPM machine of all time and turn it into the worst 33-1/3 RPM machine of all time? Amazing. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 16:40:25 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Oct 30 16:41:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg STD 160 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <448871.44686.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Karl, Glad you found it--you just reminded meof somfun--was it the #3126 diode? Ron --- On Thu, 10/30/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg STD 160 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 3:29 PM Ron Rich, I sent you an email right after my last one but sent it to someone else with a mis-click. Just found out about it and don't have your email addy on my laptop. Anyway, wanted to tell you that I found a bad diode on the buffer board and that solved my missing data from line D. I really do appreciate your help. Book or not, I would have probably never found that diode without a friendly shove in the right direction. Got an email from a friend of mine a lil while ago saying "who the heck is Ron and what buffer pcb are you talking about?" LOL Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Thu Oct 30 16:43:16 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Oct 30 16:44:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) In-Reply-To: <626869.42797.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <626869.42797.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <490A4694.3020707@telus.net> David Breneman wrote: > --- On Thu, 10/30/08, John Robertson wrote: > > >> If no-one is making them now I guess I'll have to do it >> myself (find a >> small machine shop - again) after doing this back in the >> early 90s for >> three machines - at least I still have my notes! >> > > > Do you mean to say that there are really people who will > pay to take the best 78 RPM machine of all time and turn > it into the worst 33-1/3 RPM machine of all time? > > Amazing. > > Actually the machine is currently set to 45s...so 33s are a step up! There is a lot of interest in LPs these days with records stores opening... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 17:01:17 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Oct 30 17:02:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) In-Reply-To: <490A4694.3020707@telus.net> Message-ID: <34683.93499.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 10/30/08, John Robertson wrote: > Actually the machine is currently set to 45s...so 33s are a > step up! > There is a lot of interest in LPs these days with records > stores opening... Ah, well that's a relief. I don't know how many M100-As there are "non-converted" to 45, but from anecdotal evidence alone, I'd guess it's less than 10% of those still in service. From ccos at knology.net Fri Oct 31 05:52:20 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Fri Oct 31 05:53:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg STD 160 References: <448871.44686.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, Sure was.....u psychic or sumpin? Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg STD 160 > Karl, > Glad you found it--you just reminded meof somfun--was it the #3126 diode? > Ron > > --- On Thu, 10/30/08, CCOS wrote: > > From: CCOS > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg STD 160 > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 3:29 PM > > Ron Rich, > > I sent you an email right after my last one but sent it to someone else > with a > mis-click. Just found out about it and don't have your email addy on my > laptop. > > Anyway, wanted to tell you that I found a bad diode on the buffer board > and > that solved my missing data from line D. I really do appreciate your help. > Book > or not, I would have probably never found that diode without a friendly > shove in > the right direction. > > Got an email from a friend of mine a lil while ago saying "who the heck is > Ron and what buffer pcb are you talking about?" > > LOL > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706)507-2963 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 06:28:29 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Oct 31 06:29:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) In-Reply-To: <30CFCC5E15F44F42A53717DA84F17964@Enevoldsen> Message-ID: <412770.95256.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 10/30/08, dale dedic wrote: > Why is the 33 1/3 version so bad?? Lots of wow when the turntable is turning that slowly. Rumble from the gears is more pronounced with the smaller groove. Tonearm tracking weight is too high. Pickup compliance is too low, and there is no vertical compliance to accommodate stereo records. No RIAA EQ curve in the amplifier. Not much visual appeal running that showly. (Maybe John makes some mods to ameliorate against some of these shortfalls.) Although a lot of the same can be said for the 45 conversion, just to a lesser extent. I agree that converting a 45 machine to LPs is no loss. Converting a 78 machine to LPs or 45s should be punishable by law. :-) From pinball at telus.net Fri Oct 31 07:08:47 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Oct 31 07:09:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) In-Reply-To: <412770.95256.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <412770.95256.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <490B116F.3040109@telus.net> David Breneman wrote: > --- On Thu, 10/30/08, dale dedic wrote: > > >> Why is the 33 1/3 version so bad?? >> > > Lots of wow when the turntable is turning that slowly. Rumble from > the gears is more pronounced with the smaller groove. Tonearm > tracking weight is too high. Pickup compliance is too low, and > there is no vertical compliance to accommodate stereo records. > No RIAA EQ curve in the amplifier. Not much visual appeal running > that showly. (Maybe John makes some mods to ameliorate against > some of these shortfalls.) Although a lot of the same can be > said for the 45 conversion, just to a lesser extent. I agree > that converting a 45 machine to LPs is no loss. Converting a > 78 machine to LPs or 45s should be punishable by law. :-) > > What I did to try and reduce some of these problems is to greatly reduce the weight of the counterbalance. I found this reduced tracking errors and improved the sound quality. Then I had to 'fix' the trip mechanism so that would work with the light tone arm tracking... And my notes are gone! Sigh, have to re-invent the process, but have found one set of gears so I am considering making up ten spare sets if anyone is interested let me know and I'll get a current price. The only other area to investigate is a speed up set of gears for the mech drive otherwise the machine takes forever to change records! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 10:04:53 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Oct 31 10:06:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) In-Reply-To: <412770.95256.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <866687.13288.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hint--Maybeeee? I agree with David --but perhaps there is some salvation? Oliver Stamann has reproduced a new motor coupler out of live rubber for the "A". Perhaps this will overcome some of the problems when going to 33rpm?? ( see "Cc" for email address) ?Ron Rich --- On Fri, 10/31/08, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 6:28 AM --- On Thu, 10/30/08, dale dedic wrote: > Why is the 33 1/3 version so bad?? Lots of wow when the turntable is turning that slowly. Rumble from the gears is more pronounced with the smaller groove. Tonearm tracking weight is too high. Pickup compliance is too low, and there is no vertical compliance to accommodate stereo records. No RIAA EQ curve in the amplifier. Not much visual appeal running that showly. (Maybe John makes some mods to ameliorate against some of these shortfalls.) Although a lot of the same can be said for the 45 conversion, just to a lesser extent. I agree that converting a 45 machine to LPs is no loss. Converting a 78 machine to LPs or 45s should be punishable by law. :-) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Fri Oct 31 13:46:53 2008 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Fri Oct 31 13:48:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 Circuit boards References: <4902334D.50603@1starnet.com> <49062DB6.3090305@telus.net> Message-ID: Matt, Oliver Stamann has just added these Circuit boards to his web site. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] L100 Circuit boards > Matt Patterson wrote: >> >> Does anyone know where I can get new circuit boards for the L100 amp? >> I figure if I'm going to have to rebuild the TSU I might as well >> rebuild the amp and replace the old circuit boards with new. I have >> checked the usual places, Victory Glass, Vern Tisdale, etc. I know >> I've seen them being offered before though just can't remember where. >> >> Matt > I do not see the advantage to new circuit boards unless the old ones are > damaged/cracked/burnt. > > If you are careful you can replace the parts without damaging the board > using a temperature controlled soldering station - this is true for > modern and early circuit boards... > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mattpatt at 1starnet.com Fri Oct 31 19:51:20 2008 From: mattpatt at 1starnet.com (Matt Patterson) Date: Fri Oct 31 19:52:20 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg L100 Diffuser In-Reply-To: References: <4902334D.50603@1starnet.com> <49062DB6.3090305@telus.net> Message-ID: <490BC428.909@1starnet.com> I know I"m probably missing something real simple but could someone tell me how to remove the diffuser in a L100? I have removed the four screws but it looks like it's attached to the curved chome piece that goes around the front and under the keyboard and I can't figure out how to remove it. Thanks, Matt From ddedic at earthlink.net Thu Oct 30 19:56:44 2008 From: ddedic at earthlink.net (dale dedic) Date: Sat Nov 1 06:00:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) References: <626869.42797.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <30CFCC5E15F44F42A53717DA84F17964@Enevoldsen> Why is the 33 1/3 version so bad?? Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) > --- On Thu, 10/30/08, John Robertson wrote: > >> If no-one is making them now I guess I'll have to do it >> myself (find a >> small machine shop - again) after doing this back in the >> early 90s for >> three machines - at least I still have my notes! > > > Do you mean to say that there are really people who will > pay to take the best 78 RPM machine of all time and turn > it into the worst 33-1/3 RPM machine of all time? > > Amazing. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From u.emilio at comcast.net Thu Oct 30 13:32:28 2008 From: u.emilio at comcast.net (Ulrike) Date: Sat Nov 1 15:24:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Prestige II Problem Message-ID: <1B710ACAB9044AF69CB09C9E6FE576F6@Ulrike> Hi, found you while looking for a manual with schematics for the NSM Presige II - do you have any sources that sell such a manual? If you can be of any help, would appreciate a response to u.emilio@comcast.net -- thanks!