From djdieterle at hughes.net Sat Nov 1 04:22:55 2008 From: djdieterle at hughes.net (Jeff Dieterle) Date: Sat Nov 1 04:47:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) (John Robertson) Message-ID: Isn't there more to this than the 33rpm gearset for a 45rpm converted mechanism? Items like the record tray, record ramp, tonearm etc. Please keep us posted as I have a M100A with the Wico conversion and so far no luck finding a virgin mechanism or a complete set of parts to restore it back to 78rpm. And even if I do find a complete mechanism some day I'll still have the converted one so a change to 33rpm would be a good use for it. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Nov 1 10:52:41 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Nov 1 10:53:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) In-Reply-To: <30CFCC5E15F44F42A53717DA84F17964@Enevoldsen> Message-ID: <46361.305.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Dale, "Lotsa" reasons--First, that mechanism was not designed to do that--all of the "conversions" are "after market", non factory designed. Perhaps the foremost?reason is the fact that when reducing the turntable speed, the mechanism is subject to "feeling" all of the vibrations--even more so, when the (required new)?fiber gear is not 100% perfect. You will hear ALL viabrations !! 2d, is the tone-arm and needle/cart. considerations. The tone arm pressure on a 78 rpm is measured in "pounds", while a 45, or 33 rpm record, requires that a max of 7 grams tone arm pressure be used (and that's at the "high" end).? Since the model "A" mech, unlike the newer 45rpm units, requires the "tone arm springs", as part of the cradle shift proceedure, a compromise must be reached in order to reduce pressure, while allowing the springs to "help" shift it. Then you ave the "stereo" factor. A "stereo" record requires a ".7 mil" needle, designed to handle the grooves on the record. The needles supplied for the "A" do not conform. You should, for that reason, install a newer cart., which "ain't easy". 3rd, the amp, and the whole sound system is not "set up" for stereo. And 4th, watching the converted "A" scan/transfer at 45 rpm, is somewhat "painful"--at 33 rpm it's (IMHO)?as bad as watching a house fire, burn up a home---??Ron Rich? --- On Thu, 10/30/08, dale dedic wrote: From: dale dedic Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) To: david_breneman@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 7:56 PM Why is the 33 1/3 version so bad?? Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) > --- On Thu, 10/30/08, John Robertson wrote: > >> If no-one is making them now I guess I'll have to do it >> myself (find a small machine shop - again) after doing this back in the >> early 90s for three machines - at least I still have my notes! > > > Do you mean to say that there are really people who will > pay to take the best 78 RPM machine of all time and turn > it into the worst 33-1/3 RPM machine of all time? > > Amazing. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Sat Nov 1 11:01:28 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Nov 1 11:02:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) (John Robertson) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <490C9978.3020609@telus.net> Jeff Dieterle wrote: > Isn't there more to this than the 33rpm gearset for a 45rpm converted mechanism? Items like the record tray, record ramp, tonearm etc. Please keep us posted as I have a M100A with the Wico conversion and so far no luck finding a virgin mechanism or a complete set of parts to restore it back to 78rpm. And even if I do find a complete mechanism some day I'll still have the converted one so a change to 33rpm would be a good use for it. I have scanned the 78 -> 45RPM WICO conversion kit instructions and you can download it from flippers.com - got to the Seeburg tips page and right click on the link for 45RPM conversion - M100A! http://www.flippers.com/Seeburg-trblshoot.html John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Nov 1 11:07:23 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Nov 1 11:08:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) (John Robertson) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <712522.44501.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jeff, Yep ! ("Record ramp", and Record "tray" (rack) are not affected on 33rpm conversions)--but even worse, there are "differences" between early mechs and later mechs that need to be considered. If you , or anyone else, would like, I have the WICO, and another brand's instruction sheets (somewhere around here ), for 45 rpm conversions (I do not have the 33rpm sheets). I will dig them out, and send a copy, of either, or both,?to anyone who wants it, for the cost of copying (at "Kinko's" ), and postage--if requested, directly to my email,?in the next two weeks. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Jeff Dieterle wrote: From: Jeff Dieterle Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) (John Robertson) To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 4:22 AM Isn't there more to this than the 33rpm gearset for a 45rpm converted mechanism? Items like the record tray, record ramp, tonearm etc. Please keep us posted as I have a M100A with the Wico conversion and so far no luck finding a virgin mechanism or a complete set of parts to restore it back to 78rpm. And even if I do find a complete mechanism some day I'll still have the converted one so a change to 33rpm would be a good use for it. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 2 09:28:33 2008 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Sun Nov 2 09:30:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] angle iron mount Message-ID: hi all, to mount this rockola 1464 on the wall, how big does the angle iron have to be as far as the ledges are concerned? I was thinking 1" to 2" . Also, would alluminum be sturdy enough? It would look nice than iron or steel and lighter on the wall. Thank you, Rick. From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 3 03:52:23 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Mon Nov 3 03:53:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] angle iron mount In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <475271.78332.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rick, The angle my 1484 sits on is about 2-1/2". It is not real thick stuff. I am sure it is a factory made mount. It has been fine for about 3 years, when I installed the phonograph. David --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Rick Force wrote: > From: Rick Force > Subject: [Jukebox-list] angle iron mount > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 10:28 AM > hi all, > to mount this rockola 1464 on the wall, how big does the > angle iron have to > be as far as the ledges are concerned? I was thinking > 1" to 2" . Also, would > alluminum be sturdy enough? It would look nice than iron or > steel and > lighter on the wall. Thank you, Rick. > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mattpatt at 1starnet.com Mon Nov 3 05:21:35 2008 From: mattpatt at 1starnet.com (Matt Patterson) Date: Mon Nov 3 05:28:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 Diffuser In-Reply-To: <490B116F.3040109@telus.net> References: <412770.95256.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <490B116F.3040109@telus.net> Message-ID: <1225718495.31041.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> In case someone is insterested I completed the restoration of the diffuser on my Seeburg L100 this weekend. I used lighting gels for the colors. I stuck with the original colors except for the middle where I used purple instead of red. Check out the photo! http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn281/matthewpatt/Seeburg% 20L100/CIMG0494.jpg I think it turned out pretty good. Matt From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Nov 3 07:59:26 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Nov 3 08:01:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) (John Robertso n) Message-ID: <20081103.105926.2753.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Hello John: I tried to open your link describing the Seeburg A modification. I can't do it. The description says "file is corrupt". Would appreciate a re transmission, if possible. Thanks, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click to get a cash advance. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4tF3CkE4AAkAHITAqcxeEQHznfAPcwoRGLitRqowrom0qTST/?count=1234567890 From 19k20 at comcast.net Mon Nov 3 09:01:10 2008 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (19k20@comcast.net) Date: Mon Nov 3 09:02:20 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) (John Robertso n) In-Reply-To: <20081103.105926.2753.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <1521724013.2579281225731670440.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> looks like his link got truncated. try this one. http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn281/matthewpatt/Seeburg%20L100/CIMG0494.jpg Might have to copy and paste it into browser Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: pinball@telus.net, jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 9:59:26 AM GMT -06:00 Guadalajara / Mexico City / Monterrey Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) (John Robertso n) Hello John: I tried to open your link describing the Seeburg A modification. I can't do it. The description says "file is corrupt". Would appreciate a re transmission, if possible. Thanks, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click to get a cash advance. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4tF3CkE4AAkAHITAqcxeEQHznfAPcwoRGLitRqowrom0qTST/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Nov 3 10:27:56 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Nov 3 10:29:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) (John Robertso n) In-Reply-To: <1521724013.2579281225731670440.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <538347.13527.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, 19k20@comcast.net <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > try this one. > > http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn281/matthewpatt/Seeburg%20L100/CIMG0494.jpg That doesn't look like an M100-A... :-) From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 3 13:40:28 2008 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Mon Nov 3 13:41:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] angle iron mount In-Reply-To: <475271.78332.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: thank you David for the info. Rick. >From: david wendell >Reply-To: dwaw12@yahoo.com,Jukebox mailing list > >To: Jukebox mailing list >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] angle iron mount >Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 03:52:23 -0800 (PST) > >Rick, > >The angle my 1484 sits on is about 2-1/2". It is not real thick stuff. I >am sure it is a factory made mount. It has been fine for about 3 years, >when I installed the phonograph. > >David > > >--- On Sun, 11/2/08, Rick Force wrote: > > > From: Rick Force > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] angle iron mount > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 10:28 AM > > hi all, > > to mount this rockola 1464 on the wall, how big does the > > angle iron have to > > be as far as the ledges are concerned? I was thinking > > 1" to 2" . Also, would > > alluminum be sturdy enough? It would look nice than iron or > > steel and > > lighter on the wall. Thank you, Rick. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jrutoskey at yahoo.com Mon Nov 3 18:44:21 2008 From: jrutoskey at yahoo.com (Automatic Music) Date: Mon Nov 3 18:45:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] One daily email In-Reply-To: <49063CD0.1010501@west.net> Message-ID: <982729.38158.qm@web39707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, I'd like to have the jukebox digest delivered as one daily email. Thanks! John From sonnygirl at cafes.net Mon Nov 3 18:55:58 2008 From: sonnygirl at cafes.net (sonnygirl@cafes.net) Date: Mon Nov 3 19:27:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] L100 Diffuser Message-ID: <34078.1225767358@cafes.net> Matt, Absolutely BEAUTIFUL!!! You should be very proud. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Nov 3 20:28:05 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Nov 3 20:29:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] One daily email In-Reply-To: <982729.38158.qm@web39707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <711440.50953.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Automatic Music wrote: > Hello, I'd like to have the jukebox digest delivered as > one daily email. Thanks! John Hello. Take a look at the footer automatically attached to your message. And mine: From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Nov 4 03:16:12 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Nov 4 03:17:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) (John Robertso n) References: <1521724013.2579281225731670440.JavaMail.root@sz0128a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <969D1E458A2942D686E30B3410B3476C@home1903> Matt, That is just stunning! Some rock & roll and the right man in the White House tonight........"the times, they are a changing"! The colors are so deep, I am sure it makes it sound awesome too (like when you clean your car and it drives better, lol) Enjoy it everyday, Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: <19k20@comcast.net> To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) (John Robertso n) > looks like his link got truncated. > > try this one. > > > http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn281/matthewpatt/Seeburg%20L100/CIMG0494.jpg > > Might have to copy and paste it into browser > > Rich > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Alexander" > To: pinball@telus.net, jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 9:59:26 AM GMT -06:00 Guadalajara / Mexico > City / Monterrey > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) (John > Robertso n) > > > Hello John: > I tried to open your link describing the Seeburg A modification. I can't > do it. The description says "file is corrupt". Would appreciate a re > transmission, if possible. > Thanks, > Jim Alexander > > _____________________________________________________________ > Need cash? Click to get a cash advance. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4tF3CkE4AAkAHITAqcxeEQHznfAPcwoRGLitRqowrom0qTST/?count=1234567890 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Tue Nov 4 05:20:36 2008 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Tue Nov 4 05:21:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Background Music System, record question... Message-ID: <27BFAEBE99CF4B199F45988E0BDC4682@VistaServer> Good morning all! I was wondering if anyone knows how many records were produced that contained vocal tracks? I have 2, one is a yellow label Industrial recording from the 1970's, and it has 6 tracks with vocals. Ticket to ride and several other Beatles songs. The other is a Blue Mood label and has 6 tracks, moon river, for the good times and some other sappy love songs. I have owned a BMS 1000 from new. I purchased it in the early 70's, it's been playing constantly since new, rarely off, I even use it as hold music (ok, I'm sick). I also have some Christmas that has a track here and there with vocals "jolly ole saint nick" comes to mind. I also have a really nice Encore console unit and a complete set of records, no vocals on these.... I just thought I'd tap the mega-minds of juke greatness on this one, as I'm sure someone else might have heard some with vocals... Mel From mamedown2004 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 4 06:39:07 2008 From: mamedown2004 at yahoo.com (Nick Pip) Date: Tue Nov 4 06:46:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg USC1 restore - paint and glasses Message-ID: <913861.55106.qm@web57107.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi everybody, this is my firs message so I hope to be in the right place. I just finished to restore from the mechanical point of view a seeburg USC1 bandshall jukebox. Now I'm going to re-paint it and to replace the top glasses because they are missing. So I have two questions for you: 1. do you have any good picture of the top glasses, or can someone take it and send me the photo please? (if it's possible both of them, top left and right) 2. under the selection keyboard there is a ruined? grid (with the seeburg logo), the time was not so much merciful with that jukebox part and I want try to restore it; what should I do? re-paint? which color? How? (the logo is ok). Any answer is welcome because I don't know exactly how to proceed, it was easier to mechanically restore it then aesthetically. Thanks for your future help! From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Nov 4 05:51:01 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Nov 4 06:53:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Background Music System, record question... References: <27BFAEBE99CF4B199F45988E0BDC4682@VistaServer> Message-ID: Mel, what's "hold music"? Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Knight" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:20 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Background Music System, record question... Good morning all! I was wondering if anyone knows how many records were produced that contained vocal tracks? I have 2, one is a yellow label Industrial recording from the 1970's, and it has 6 tracks with vocals. Ticket to ride and several other Beatles songs. The other is a Blue Mood label and has 6 tracks, moon river, for the good times and some other sappy love songs. I have owned a BMS 1000 from new. I purchased it in the early 70's, it's been playing constantly since new, rarely off, I even use it as hold music (ok, I'm sick). I also have some Christmas that has a track here and there with vocals "jolly ole saint nick" comes to mind. I also have a really nice Encore console unit and a complete set of records, no vocals on these.... I just thought I'd tap the mega-minds of juke greatness on this one, as I'm sure someone else might have heard some with vocals... Mel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Nov 4 07:24:27 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Nov 4 07:25:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Background Music System, record question... In-Reply-To: <27BFAEBE99CF4B199F45988E0BDC4682@VistaServer> Message-ID: <196392.82787.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Mel, I agree with you---You ARE sick ! (but so is I, but not that way) Have a great day !! --and P. S. Thanks for the help on the CD Rock !! Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Mel Knight wrote: From: Mel Knight Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Background Music System, record question... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 5:20 AM Good morning all! I was wondering if anyone knows how many records were produced that contained vocal tracks? I have 2, one is a yellow label Industrial recording from the 1970's, and it has 6 tracks with vocals. Ticket to ride and several other Beatles songs. The other is a Blue Mood label and has 6 tracks, moon river, for the good times and some other sappy love songs. I have owned a BMS 1000 from new. I purchased it in the early 70's, it's been playing constantly since new, rarely off, I even use it as hold music (ok, I'm sick). I also have some Christmas that has a track here and there with vocals "jolly ole saint nick" comes to mind. I also have a really nice Encore console unit and a complete set of records, no vocals on these.... I just thought I'd tap the mega-minds of juke greatness on this one, as I'm sure someone else might have heard some with vocals... Mel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Nov 4 07:27:25 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Nov 4 07:28:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Background Music System, record question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <373060.59306.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jackie, I think it's "hold"?"Mu-sick"?when he's on the other?phone line. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/4/08, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Background Music System, record question... To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 5:51 AM Mel, what's "hold music"? Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Knight" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:20 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Background Music System, record question... Good morning all! I was wondering if anyone knows how many records were produced that contained vocal tracks? I have 2, one is a yellow label Industrial recording from the 1970's, and it has 6 tracks with vocals. Ticket to ride and several other Beatles songs. The other is a Blue Mood label and has 6 tracks, moon river, for the good times and some other sappy love songs. I have owned a BMS 1000 from new. I purchased it in the early 70's, it's been playing constantly since new, rarely off, I even use it as hold music (ok, I'm sick). I also have some Christmas that has a track here and there with vocals "jolly ole saint nick" comes to mind. I also have a really nice Encore console unit and a complete set of records, no vocals on these.... I just thought I'd tap the mega-minds of juke greatness on this one, as I'm sure someone else might have heard some with vocals... Mel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Tue Nov 4 07:51:42 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Nov 4 07:52:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Background Music System, record question... In-Reply-To: References: <27BFAEBE99CF4B199F45988E0BDC4682@VistaServer> Message-ID: <49106F8E.5050703@west.net> etreble7 wrote: > Mel, > what's "hold music"? It's what you hear for half an hour before talking to a human being when you call the phone company. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Nov 4 07:56:51 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Nov 4 07:57:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Background Music System, record question... In-Reply-To: <49106F8E.5050703@west.net> Message-ID: <204779.302.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Or, more like two hours after calling a a federal govt. office--just before you hear the Italian guy (Diala Tony). Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Background Music System, record question... To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:51 AM etreble7 wrote: > Mel, > what's "hold music"? It's what you hear for half an hour before talking to a human being when you call the phone company. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Nov 4 09:07:19 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Nov 4 09:08:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Background Music System, record question... References: <373060.59306.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ha! How funny is that!! I was thinking of getting rid of my land line.....Thanks Ron, Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Background Music System, record question... Jackie, I think it's "hold" "Mu-sick" when he's on the other phone line. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/4/08, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Background Music System, record question... To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 5:51 AM Mel, what's "hold music"? Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Knight" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:20 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Background Music System, record question... Good morning all! I was wondering if anyone knows how many records were produced that contained vocal tracks? I have 2, one is a yellow label Industrial recording from the 1970's, and it has 6 tracks with vocals. Ticket to ride and several other Beatles songs. The other is a Blue Mood label and has 6 tracks, moon river, for the good times and some other sappy love songs. I have owned a BMS 1000 from new. I purchased it in the early 70's, it's been playing constantly since new, rarely off, I even use it as hold music (ok, I'm sick). I also have some Christmas that has a track here and there with vocals "jolly ole saint nick" comes to mind. I also have a really nice Encore console unit and a complete set of records, no vocals on these.... I just thought I'd tap the mega-minds of juke greatness on this one, as I'm sure someone else might have heard some with vocals... Mel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Nov 4 09:08:45 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Nov 4 09:09:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Background Music System, record question... References: <27BFAEBE99CF4B199F45988E0BDC4682@VistaServer> <49106F8E.5050703@west.net> Message-ID: Thanks Jay..........I got it! That would be funny calling someone's home and having "hold Music" play, I kinda like the idea Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Background Music System, record question... > etreble7 wrote: >> Mel, >> what's "hold music"? > > It's what you hear for half an hour before talking to a human being when > you call the phone company. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 16:30:20 2008 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Tue Nov 4 16:31:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] No Sound?? Message-ID: I need some help in getting some music out of a Wurlitzer 1650. Its one of the models from the lost years for Wurlitzer with an upper and lower tone arm. Here is my issue. When I got the unit it wasn't working. I have been working on the mechanical side and I sent out the amp on the electrical side. I finally got everything back together and mechanically everything works. I can hear the music as the cobra needle tracks over the record but, I can not get anything out of the speaker. The AMP was completely redone by a reparable and well known amp rebuilder. I replaced the cobras and also checked the continuity of the wire. This included the switch that shifts from the upper and lower tone arms. I check the wire going into the amp which ends in an RCA plug. I have a clear electrical path from the tip of the needle all the way to the input wire to the amp. I also removed the muting plug. I also hooked up a standard speaker to the auxiliary speaker connections. I could hear a little sound but, just barely. I then adjusted the volume control to the max and nothing changed. Still very little sound from the aux speaker. When I mean faint... i mean nothing more than a whisper. I don't have an scope to see what the quality of the signal come from the cobra but, everything is connected. So now what do I do? Is it possible that I got two bad cobras? Interested in anyone and everyones opinion on this one. I have been stumped on this for at least 2 months now. Thanks, From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Nov 4 16:56:45 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Nov 4 16:57:47 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] No Sound?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <326918.76892.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I know?LESS then nothing about that model, nor do I have?a Service Manual for it---but here are a couple of thoughts-- Did your "reparable" amp person have the volume control, that's in your phono with that amp ( if it's a seperate one located on the rear of the cabinet)??? Did you send him a?Cobra to use as a test unit, or does he have his own?? Are you certain that the speaker coils are both good? ?Are you certain that the wiring, all the way to the Cobra is good?? BTW, I don't think that the amp will work with the main speaker unplugged. And, yes, it's possible both Cobras are bad--but I would?guess, un-likely--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Carl & Lynne Sullivan wrote: From: Carl & Lynne Sullivan Subject: [Jukebox-list] No Sound?? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 4:30 PM I need some help in getting some music out of a Wurlitzer 1650. Its one of the models from the lost years for Wurlitzer with an upper and lower tone arm. Here is my issue. When I got the unit it wasn't working. I have been working on the mechanical side and I sent out the amp on the electrical side. I finally got everything back together and mechanically everything works. I can hear the music as the cobra needle tracks over the record but, I can not get anything out of the speaker. The AMP was completely redone by a reparable and well known amp rebuilder. I replaced the cobras and also checked the continuity of the wire. This included the switch that shifts from the upper and lower tone arms. I check the wire going into the amp which ends in an RCA plug. I have a clear electrical path from the tip of the needle all the way to the input wire to the amp. I also removed the muting plug. I also hooked up a standard speaker to the auxiliary speaker connections. I could hear a little sound but, just barely. I then adjusted the volume control to the max and nothing changed. Still very little sound from the aux speaker. When I mean faint... i mean nothing more than a whisper. I don't have an scope to see what the quality of the signal come from the cobra but, everything is connected. So now what do I do? Is it possible that I got two bad cobras? Interested in anyone and everyones opinion on this one. I have been stumped on this for at least 2 months now. Thanks, _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Nov 4 21:31:16 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Nov 4 21:34:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] No Sound?? Message-ID: <20081105.003116.26967.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Hello Mr & Mrs Sullivan: Here's a few quick things you ought to check--one of these might solve your no-sound problem.In your 1650, I'm assuming that you have the Wurlitzer # 518 amplifier. This number is stamped on the amp chassis. 1. The field coil speaker in the jukebox needs to be plugged into it's socket--even if you want to take the audio via the ext. speaker terminals. The field coil acts as a smoothing choke in the amp.power supply. If the field coil spkr isn't available, a 5200 ohm, 20 watt resistor can be substituted in this circuit. Be careful, there is high voltage (375V DC) in this circuit. The resistor will get warm. 2. You should be able to take your ohmmeter leads across the Cobra RCA input phono plug and read a DC resistance of about 5 ohms. Most of these twin tone arm phonos are connected to the amp input circuit through a microswitch (located near the tone arm post) that toggles between the upper and lower tone arm. The switch has a DPST action. A failed switch could be causing no audio. I have seen some 1600 model jukes where this switch is not in place and both Cobra cartridges are wired in parallel. When a record is playing,both pickups are "hot". If you have this setup it will read about 2.5 ohms. If the circuit reads open or shorted you have a switch or wiring failure. 3.The Cobra cartridge is not a conventional voltage-generating cartridge. The Cobra cartridge operates into an oscillator circuit on the amplifier,which it modulates. Oscillator (tube) failure will cause a "no-sound" condition. Try replacing the oscillator tube by substituting another one. This tube is a 6J5 in your amplifier. It is located in a rubber,shock-mounted socket. As a last test, try tapping on the 6J5 when the amplifier is running--it will be normal to hear some "microphonic" sounds in the speaker. This is an indication that your amplifier is working and that the problem lies within the oscillator, the cobra pickups, tone arm wiring, or the tone arm switch. 4. When a Cobra pickup is tracking a heavily-modulated (loud) recording, it is normal to hear some needle chatter coming from the stylus directly. You'll hear this whether or not the circuit is working electronically. Hope this helps, JIm Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Are you safe? Click for quotes on a home security system. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4ueRwVuuttZle8WSNRKnmYZnE0lFCyPU8uxZqHYGBlmZHxWe/?count=1234567890 From swiftsteve at shaw.ca Wed Nov 5 00:08:31 2008 From: swiftsteve at shaw.ca (steve) Date: Wed Nov 5 00:23:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 100w Message-ID: I have an old 1953 seeburg 100w. amp all rebuilt almost everything works good except for the C and D selections are intermittent. when pushed they activate the credits down but don't activate the pins in the back for the selector. Stumped??? From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Wed Nov 5 05:51:52 2008 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Wed Nov 5 06:07:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 100w In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had this exact problem with my Seeburg R. All the "C" selections would take the credit, but not play any of the selections (the pins would not move). I took out the selection buttons assembly, and found that a tab had broken off of the "C" section. You have to look very closely at the sliding switches, as it's hard to see which one is broken. Check too for any broken wires going to this area. I was not able to closely examine the switches until I removed the whole assembly. I recommend you do the same. Good luck, Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of steve Sent: 2008, November, 05 3:09 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 100w I have an old 1953 seeburg 100w. amp all rebuilt almost everything works good except for the C and D selections are intermittent. when pushed they activate the credits down but don't activate the pins in the back for the selector. Stumped??? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Nov 5 06:43:03 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Nov 5 06:44:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 100w In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <769787.24160.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Steve, Do you have a Service Manual? Find the parts page for the Selector Assembly (aka "pinbank") find the Group Magnet Arm Assemb. and re solder the ground wire back to it. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/5/08, steve wrote: From: steve Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 100w To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 12:08 AM I have an old 1953 seeburg 100w. amp all rebuilt almost everything works good except for the C and D selections are intermittent. when pushed they activate the credits down but don't activate the pins in the back for the selector. Stumped??? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Nov 5 07:00:58 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Nov 5 07:02:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 100w In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <755872.23303.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mike, Since he's having problems with two or more letters, I doubt that both are broken in the ES. However, I did fail to mention the possibility that there was a plug problem on the WSR, and that he should check them out--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/5/08, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 100w To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 5:51 AM I had this exact problem with my Seeburg R. All the "C" selections would take the credit, but not play any of the selections (the pins would not move). I took out the selection buttons assembly, and found that a tab had broken off of the "C" section. You have to look very closely at the sliding switches, as it's hard to see which one is broken. Check too for any broken wires going to this area. I was not able to closely examine the switches until I removed the whole assembly. I recommend you do the same. Good luck, Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of steve Sent: 2008, November, 05 3:09 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 100w I have an old 1953 seeburg 100w. amp all rebuilt almost everything works good except for the C and D selections are intermittent. when pushed they activate the credits down but don't activate the pins in the back for the selector. Stumped??? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Wed Nov 5 07:09:13 2008 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Wed Nov 5 07:10:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 100w In-Reply-To: <755872.23303.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <755872.23303.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, you know far more about these machines than I ever will ! I had wanted to tell Steve what my almost similar situation turned out to be. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 2008, November, 05 10:01 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 100w Mike, Since he's having problems with two or more letters, I doubt that both are broken in the ES. However, I did fail to mention the possibility that there was a plug problem on the WSR, and that he should check them out--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/5/08, Dicecco, Michael wrote: From: Dicecco, Michael Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 100w To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 5:51 AM I had this exact problem with my Seeburg R. All the "C" selections would take the credit, but not play any of the selections (the pins would not move). I took out the selection buttons assembly, and found that a tab had broken off of the "C" section. You have to look very closely at the sliding switches, as it's hard to see which one is broken. Check too for any broken wires going to this area. I was not able to closely examine the switches until I removed the whole assembly. I recommend you do the same. Good luck, Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of steve Sent: 2008, November, 05 3:09 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 100w I have an old 1953 seeburg 100w. amp all rebuilt almost everything works good except for the C and D selections are intermittent. when pushed they activate the credits down but don't activate the pins in the back for the selector. Stumped??? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From drjukebox at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 09:32:56 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Wed Nov 5 09:34:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vern's schematics Message-ID: <3154d3690811050932n6229f9dct28a7ce9ffabe080a@mail.gmail.com> Are they gone again? The links don't work, and I have a friend working on a 530 amplifier. It would be real convenient to just send him a link. I have the schematic jpgs saved somewhere....but can't find them right now. Vern's pages has been down before - - - are they gone for good ? thanks, Jens From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Wed Nov 5 09:48:04 2008 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Wed Nov 5 09:48:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vern's schematics Message-ID: <5F9A9C2686FC45AFA068147135D68644@VistaServer> Hi Jens! Check your E-mail...... Mel From jeffzurn at cox.net Wed Nov 5 11:10:33 2008 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Wed Nov 5 11:11:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vern's schematics References: <3154d3690811050932n6229f9dct28a7ce9ffabe080a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001a01c93f7a$2d584790$19fb4109@ZURNT60> They are there... The links are not pointing to the correct folder. When you link from any of the Wurly schems you get the URL http://www.verntisdale.com/503.jpg The correct link is http://www.verntisdale.com/schem/503.jpg the folder 'schem' is added. I will email Vern and remind him that his webmaster needs to correct those links. Jeff Zurn Arizona Jukebox Company. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Hultgren" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vern's schematics > Are they gone again? > The links don't work, and I have a friend working on a 530 amplifier. > It would be real convenient to just send him a link. > I have the schematic jpgs saved somewhere....but can't find them right > now. > > Vern's pages has been down before - - - are they gone for good ? > > thanks, Jens > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pinball at telus.net Wed Nov 5 11:52:19 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Nov 5 11:53:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vern's schematics In-Reply-To: <3154d3690811050932n6229f9dct28a7ce9ffabe080a@mail.gmail.com> References: <3154d3690811050932n6229f9dct28a7ce9ffabe080a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4911F973.9000505@telus.net> Jens Hultgren wrote: > Are they gone again? > The links don't work, and I have a friend working on a 530 amplifier. > It would be real convenient to just send him a link. > I have the schematic jpgs saved somewhere....but can't find them right now. > > Vern's pages has been down before - - - are they gone for good ? > > thanks, Jens > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > I have a PDF of the early Wurlitzer amps (46 of them!) available for download on flippers on the jukebox service page: http://flippers.com/jukebox_service.html These include the early 25 Hz, and DC amps... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Nov 5 11:59:40 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Nov 5 12:00:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vern's schematics In-Reply-To: <3154d3690811050932n6229f9dct28a7ce9ffabe080a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <852284.73963.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jens, Send him an email----Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/5/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: From: Jens Hultgren Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vern's schematics To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 9:32 AM Are they gone again? The links don't work, and I have a friend working on a 530 amplifier. It would be real convenient to just send him a link. I have the schematic jpgs saved somewhere....but can't find them right now. Vern's pages has been down before - - - are they gone for good ? thanks, Jens _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 12:10:46 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Wed Nov 5 12:11:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vern's schematics In-Reply-To: <852284.73963.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <3154d3690811050932n6229f9dct28a7ce9ffabe080a@mail.gmail.com> <852284.73963.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690811051210s740aff90mde947dd9c0d8cedb@mail.gmail.com> Yep, good idea - - was the same problem couple years ago, wasn't it? Thanks also Jeff and John and Mel and the others who helped Jens On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Jens, > Send him an email----Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 11/5/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > > From: Jens Hultgren > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vern's schematics > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 9:32 AM > > Are they gone again? > The links don't work, and I have a friend working on a 530 amplifier. > It would be real convenient to just send him a link. > I have the schematic jpgs saved somewhere....but can't find them right now. > > Vern's pages has been down before - - - are they gone for good ? > > thanks, Jens > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 18:57:26 2008 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Wed Nov 5 18:58:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] No Sound?? In-Reply-To: <20081105.003116.26967.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081105.003116.26967.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: James, Thanks for your thoughts. There are very helpful. 1) I don't believe I did have the standard speaker plugged in when I tried the aux speaker I will try that later tonight. Thanks... 2) I will check to see if there is a 5 ohm resistances across the Cobra. Should I check this when a record is playing?? I assume if there is no resistance than the cobra is not correct. I did check the upper and lower DPST switch. It is working or at least I get continuity. It works properly and switches from top to bottom tone arms. 3) I have tapped the 6J5 tube... This is the one that sits in the shock mounted socket. It sounds like a mic check. So based on this. I assume it is not the amp. The upper and lower tone arm switch is ok. Plus the wire has continuity. So I guess it is back to check the cobras. I will test like you said. But, it sounds like the cobras. Wow two brand new cobras and they are both bad. I will also plug in the aux speaker with the standard speaker hooked up. The one question... The field coil you refer to is NOT a separate coil but, the one attached to the speaker cone? Is this correct?? Thanks for the time and advice. Carl On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:31 AM, James Alexander wrote: > > Hello Mr & Mrs Sullivan: > Here's a few quick things you ought to check--one of these might solve your > no-sound problem.In your 1650, I'm assuming that you have the Wurlitzer # > 518 amplifier. This number is stamped on the amp chassis. > 1. The field coil speaker in the jukebox needs to be plugged into it's > socket--even if you want to take the audio via the ext. speaker terminals. > The field coil acts as a smoothing choke in the amp.power supply. If the > field coil spkr isn't available, a 5200 ohm, 20 watt resistor can be > substituted in this circuit. Be careful, there is high voltage (375V DC) > in this circuit. The resistor will get warm. > 2. You should be able to take your ohmmeter leads across the Cobra RCA > input phono plug and read a DC resistance of about 5 ohms. Most of these > twin tone arm phonos are connected to the amp input circuit through a > microswitch (located near the tone arm post) that toggles between the upper > and lower tone arm. The switch has a DPST action. A failed switch could be > causing no audio. I have seen some 1600 model jukes where this switch is not > in place and both Cobra cartridges are wired in parallel. When a record is > playing,both pickups are "hot". If you have this setup it will read about > 2.5 ohms. If the circuit reads open or shorted you have a switch or wiring > failure. > 3.The Cobra cartridge is not a conventional voltage-generating cartridge. > The Cobra cartridge operates into an oscillator circuit on the > amplifier,which it modulates. Oscillator (tube) failure will cause a > "no-sound" condition. Try replacing the oscillator tube by substituting > another one. This tube is a 6J5 in your amplifier. It is located in a > rubber,shock-mounted socket. As a last test, try tapping on the 6J5 when > the amplifier is running--it will be normal to hear some "microphonic" > sounds in the speaker. This is an indication that your amplifier is > working and that the problem lies within the oscillator, the cobra pickups, > tone arm wiring, or the tone arm switch. > 4. When a Cobra pickup is tracking a heavily-modulated (loud) recording, it > is normal to hear some needle chatter coming from the stylus directly. > You'll hear this whether or not the circuit is working electronically. > Hope this helps, > JIm Alexander > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Are you safe? Click for quotes on a home security system. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4ueRwVuuttZle8WSNRKnmYZnE0lFCyPU8uxZqHYGBlmZHxWe/?count=1234567890 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Wed Nov 5 22:45:09 2008 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Wed Nov 5 22:46:20 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vern's schematics References: <3154d3690811050932n6229f9dct28a7ce9ffabe080a@mail.gmail.com> <761C551D126A45408E563C8E92040A2F@Graeme> Message-ID: <142273CECAEA4F6088B5B2011797D227@Graeme> G'day Jens. another site that has Schematics is http://home.scarlet.be/~lb542366/eindex.htm Graeme Harvey > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jens Hultgren" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:32 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vern's schematics > > >> Are they gone again? >> The links don't work, and I have a friend working on a 530 amplifier. >> It would be real convenient to just send him a link. >> I have the schematic jpgs saved somewhere....but can't find them right >> now. >> >> Vern's pages has been down before - - - are they gone for good ? >> >> thanks, Jens >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Nov 5 23:07:40 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Nov 5 23:10:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] No Sound?? Message-ID: <20081106.020740.25023.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Hi: In response to your 2nd letter: 1. If by tapping on the 6J5 tube you are hearing "sounds" in your speaker, this is a basic indication that the rest of the amplifier stages are functioning. Possibly, the 6J5 or some of the associated oscillator stage components might not be working. Try substituting the 6J5 with another one to test this. When the volume control on the amp is turned up, are you hearing an increased hum and hiss level in the speaker? If yes, your amp may have been modified to operate without using the original fieldcoil speaker. 2. The 5 ohm reading across the Cobra cartridge coil element does not have to be read with a record playing. With the ohmmeter,you are reading the DC resistance of the coil. The Cobra cartridge element forms an RF tuned circuit that modulates the oscillator circuit. The audio signal is then detected and passed onto the amplifier. If you are reading open or shorted circuits, this is an indication there's a phono cartridge wiring fault. The original phono wiring for Cobra cartridges is a miniature co-axial cable (like TV cable) The co-ax cable is necessary to maintain the impedance of the RF tuned circuit. If this original wiring deteriorated,and has been replaced,with typical twisted pair phono wire,this could cause this RF-tuned circuit not to work. The shielded cable maintains the impedance of the tuned circuit. Since you recently had the amp serviced/tested by a repair shop, chances are more likely for a failure outside the amp chassis. 3. If you want to read the DC resistance of the cartridge itself, you should be able to read the 5 ohms across the two cartridge pins directly with your meter leads. In my opinion, it's not too likely that you have 2 defective cobra's, though it is possible. The biggest quality control fault that cobra cartridges are known for is their inconsistent sound quality from one unit to another. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Inventors: Does your idea have potential for millions? Click for info. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4taahBeGVILuzzBTW9uxu5tgL0iqlpu9lvA1uc2DKR8AA99U/?count=1234567890 From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Nov 6 08:18:40 2008 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu Nov 6 08:19:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Message-ID: <000f01c9402b$557a2750$006e75f0$@net> Well, as luck would have it, my 3010 is suffering from another ailment along with the TT function. I have shelved it temporarily to work on this.. When you drop in a coin, the playrak registers the credits, you can select the first credit, but after that the latch solenoid does not engage to allow more selections. A slight tap in the red relay in the playrak will then engage the latch solenoid allowing another selection. I am not close to being the expert..so if this does not make sense.sorry. What can I clean the contacts on the relay with, or am I barking up the wrong tree altogether? If the relay is bad, are these readily available or are they as vintage as the 3010? Guess I could check to make sure that 24 volts are reaching the relay, not sure what relay pins to jump. Thanks again for the help. Rich From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Nov 6 08:29:53 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Thu Nov 6 09:09:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 References: <000f01c9402b$557a2750$006e75f0$@net> Message-ID: <1F3183B32FEE4A748BB7FA8B389A1829@home1903> Hi Rich, I have a 3410, don't know if they are the same and I hope you will get someon else to chime in, the red Relay, you can take it out and make sure all the prongs are making contact, they do expand with time, you may have to take needle nose pliers and squeeze them together slightly. AGAIN, this is just what I have as a reference, I could have written it down wrong so it may/may not help you. Good luck, Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ssg Rich Myers" <19k20@comcast.net> To: Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 > Well, as luck would have it, my 3010 is suffering from another ailment > along with the TT function. I have shelved it temporarily to work on > this.. > When you drop in a coin, the playrak registers the credits, you can > select > the first credit, but after that the latch solenoid does not engage to > allow more selections. A slight tap in the red relay in the playrak will > then engage the latch solenoid allowing another selection. I am not close > to being the expert..so if this does not make sense.sorry. > > > > What can I clean the contacts on the relay with, or am I barking up the > wrong tree altogether? If the relay is bad, are these readily available > or > are they as vintage as the 3010? > > > > Guess I could check to make sure that 24 volts are reaching the relay, > not > sure what relay pins to jump. > > > > Thanks again for the help. > > > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Thu Nov 6 09:35:41 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Nov 6 09:36:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 In-Reply-To: <000f01c9402b$557a2750$006e75f0$@net> References: <000f01c9402b$557a2750$006e75f0$@net> Message-ID: <49132AED.6070408@telus.net> Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > Well, as luck would have it, my 3010 is suffering from another ailment > along with the TT function. I have shelved it temporarily to work on this.. > When you drop in a coin, the playrak registers the credits, you can select > the first credit, but after that the latch solenoid does not engage to > allow more selections. A slight tap in the red relay in the playrak will > then engage the latch solenoid allowing another selection. I am not close > to being the expert..so if this does not make sense.sorry. > > > > What can I clean the contacts on the relay with, or am I barking up the > wrong tree altogether? If the relay is bad, are these readily available or > are they as vintage as the 3010? > > > > Guess I could check to make sure that 24 volts are reaching the relay, not > sure what relay pins to jump. > > > > Thanks again for the help. > > > > Rich > The relay is available - I stock them as do others I'm sure. An easy check if the red relay is sticking is to remove the cover and see if it stays in the 'energized' position when the power is removed, then if you tap the relay if it releases. If so the relay is magnetized and needs replacement. If the relay does release normally after a selection, but you can not make another selection until you tap the relay then the contacts are dirty and need to be cleaned with a burnishing tool or extremely fine emery - wet/dry - paper - 600+ grit, then polish with a strip of thick white paper - business card torn into strips works well. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Nov 6 13:27:14 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Nov 6 13:29:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Message-ID: <20081106.162714.3392.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Hello Ssg Myers: What you are describing sounds like it could be a faulty relay. There are several failure modes possibe. The relay mechanism could be hanging up and sticking mechanically, there could be dirty contacts, or there could be a case of residual magnetism,which will not let the relay mech release freely. For the first two issues, relays can be carefully repaired and cleaned to restore operation. For the case of residual magnetism the relay usually needs to be replaced. These are referred to as "ice cube" relays and new ones are available from the relay manufacturer, the Potter-Brumfield Co. They are still being made and are marketed through industrial electronics parts houses like Allied, Newark or MCM. It's also possible to find much "new old stock" from many of the classic jukebox parts or repair dealers,because Wurlitzer used these for many years. Expect a new relay to cost about $20 Wurlitzer used several versions of these, so take care to buy the right part if you decide to replace it. There are relays with both white and red covers--- red is a 24Volt AC-operated coil, white is a 24 volt DC coil. The relays have several contact configurations---some are two-pole switch contacts (6 pins) some are four-pole (12 pins). Count the number of contact pins before you buy. Good luck, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right stock, bonds, and mutual funds. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4tFOmu7K9nBfIAJ9d9vj5qWSsmoPMRwbTCRdcPtftFKhw9Ke/?count=1234567890 From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 7 03:05:54 2008 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Fri Nov 7 03:07:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 In-Reply-To: <20081106.162714.3392.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <411706.51179.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi folks, every Christmas I play my Phil Spector Christmas album. If you like 60s girl groups and the classic, unmistakeable Phil Spector "wall of sound" in MHO, this is a must play at Christmas. Regards Gary From gibson510 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 7 04:46:52 2008 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Fri Nov 7 04:48:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola GP-433 Schematic Message-ID: Would anyone have a copy that they could scan and send me? Specifically just the amplifier section. Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 7 12:52:40 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 7 12:54:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola GP-433 Schematic Message-ID: <20081107.155240.22925.1@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Rick: Are you aware of jukebox parts vendor Vern Tisdale? His website is www.verntisdale.com. At that site he has files of scanned schematic diagrams, available to all. His schematic files have been partially down recently, but the RockOla pages were accessible. Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4s80Z7YISkpo6kUnupr8hcdE4dWzWRke3aHctRsGwtZsWKmC/?count=1234567890 From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 7 12:55:52 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 7 12:58:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 Message-ID: <20081107.155552.22925.2@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Hi: What is MHO? Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Click to generate a targeted mailing list to grow your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4uITWIyMvHsvOJKdSqvXM7N6rYRqySNJlVtEYFXadFsW9UMb/?count=1234567890 From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 7 13:01:49 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Fri Nov 7 13:02:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 1422 Cartridge Message-ID: <155904.74656.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, Since it is now posible to have original cartridges rebuilt I wondered about keeping the original cartridge in the 1422 I am currently doing? The cartridge has a perfect physical appearance. I have always converted to an Astatic 51 in the past and that has been fine. I've never heard a Rockola with the origianl astatic cartridge still in it. Phonograph is and will remain a 78 RPM player. It will use original 78's from the 50's. I noticed Westtech-Services now has many parts for the popular RCA 45 RPM changers as well as offering a rebuild service for them. Thanks, as always! David (Geritol Ghetto) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Nov 7 13:06:10 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Nov 7 13:07:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 In-Reply-To: <20081107.155552.22925.2@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <136743.64332.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jim, Same as IMHO--( In My Humble Opinion)? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 11/7/08, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 To: gazzyoung_uk@yahoo.co.uk, jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 12:55 PM Hi: What is MHO? Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________ Click to generate a targeted mailing list to grow your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4uITWIyMvHsvOJKdSqvXM7N6rYRqySNJlVtEYFXadFsW9UMb/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Nov 7 13:39:47 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Nov 7 13:40:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Model "A" to 45rpm conversion Message-ID: <449625.81045.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi all, A couple of you axked me for the instructions for the Seeburg model "A" 45rpm conversions off the list, and I wrote back saying that I could not find them--well, guess what, they showed up. WICO's is six pages, plus the cover, and Calcoin's is 5, plus the cover. So, If you want them, now's the time before they go back into "hiding"--remind me that they are "on my desk" (CRS, you know)--contact me once again, off list. Ron Rich From jay at west.net Fri Nov 7 13:41:17 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Nov 7 13:42:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3010 In-Reply-To: <000f01c9402b$557a2750$006e75f0$@net> References: <000f01c9402b$557a2750$006e75f0$@net> Message-ID: <4914B5FD.3020909@west.net> Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > Well, as luck would have it, my 3010 is suffering from another ailment > along with the TT function. I have shelved it temporarily to work on this.. > When you drop in a coin, the playrak registers the credits, you can select > the first credit, but after that the latch solenoid does not engage to > allow more selections. A slight tap in the red relay in the playrak will > then engage the latch solenoid allowing another selection. I am not close > to being the expert..so if this does not make sense.sorry. > > > > What can I clean the contacts on the relay with, or am I barking up the > wrong tree altogether? Get a spray can of "De-Ox-It" from Parts Express or Radio Shack. Cut a business card or piece of bond paper into strips about 1/4 inch wide. Pop the cover off of the relay. Wet the paper with the De-Ox-It. Slide the paper between the contacts, push on the armature to apply tension. Pull the paper out. You will see black streaks on it. Repeat until the streaks are gone. Then push on the armature and slip the paper between the normally-closed contacts, release the armature to apply spring tension, and do the same thing. Pop the cover back on. This should keep it happy for many years. > If the relay is bad, are these readily available or > are they as vintage as the 3010? Replacement "ice cube" relays are available. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pinball at telus.net Fri Nov 7 15:37:14 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Nov 7 15:38:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Model "A" to 45rpm conversion In-Reply-To: <449625.81045.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <449625.81045.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4914D12A.30305@telus.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Hi all, > A couple of you axked me for the instructions for the Seeburg model "A" 45rpm conversions off the list, and I wrote back saying that I could not find them--well, guess what, they showed up. WICO's is six pages, plus the cover, and Calcoin's is 5, plus the cover. So, If you want them, now's the time before they go back into "hiding"--remind me that they are "on my desk" (CRS, you know)--contact me once again, off list. Ron Rich > > I have scanned my WICO version and it is available on flippers.com http://www.flippers.com/Seeburg-trblshoot.html John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From bobe at halted.com Fri Nov 7 16:28:18 2008 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Fri Nov 7 16:39:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola GP-433 Schematic Message-ID: <2.2.32.20081108002818.0098ef2c@hsces.com> At 07:46 AM 11/7/2008 -0500, you wrote: > >Would anyone have a copy that they could scan and send me? Specifically just the amplifier section. Good luck... the schematics are large, fold-out sheets about 2 ft x 3 ft. Bigger than any scanner I've seen... --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From pinball at telus.net Sat Nov 8 13:15:39 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Nov 8 13:16:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) (John Robertson) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4916017B.3010901@telus.net> Jeff Dieterle wrote: > Isn't there more to this than the 33rpm gearset for a 45rpm converted mechanism? Items like the record tray, record ramp, tonearm etc. Please keep us posted as I have a M100A with the Wico conversion and so far no luck finding a virgin mechanism or a complete set of parts to restore it back to 78rpm. And even if I do find a complete mechanism some day I'll still have the converted one so a change to 33rpm would be a good use for it. I have scanned the 78 -> 45RPM CallCoin conversion kit instructions and you can download it from flippers.com - got to the Seeburg tips page and right click on the link for 45RPM conversion - M100A! I also just got a copy of the WICO conversion manual from Ron (Thanks!) and have added it to the CalCoin one already up on flippers... http://www.flippers.com/Seeburg-trblshoot.html John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Nov 8 16:04:28 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Nov 8 16:05:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Converting M100A to 33-1/3 (LPs) (John Robertson) In-Reply-To: <4916017B.3010901@telus.net> Message-ID: <935542.28992.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> -- On Sat, 11/8/08, John Robertson wrote: > I also just got a copy of the WICO conversion manual from > Ron (Thanks!) and have added it to the CalCoin one already > up on flippers... It's amazing that WICO seems to have just lifted many of the illustrations out of Seeburg's manual and made their own modifications to them. They even use a similar typeface. Very official looking. :-) From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 04:29:48 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sun Nov 9 04:30:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Conversion Parts Message-ID: <902547.48966.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, I believe these are Seeburg conversion parts. They are from an operator's old parts pile. I believe I have some more somewhere, including gears, but I have not come across them lately. I am unsure if they are from a 78 RPM or used to make a 78 into a 45 RPM. http://members.cox.net/craig4s/MVC-001S.JPG David (by the Geritol Ghetto) From pinball at telus.net Sun Nov 9 16:54:15 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Nov 9 16:55:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Conversion Parts In-Reply-To: <902547.48966.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <902547.48966.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49178637.1060009@telus.net> david wendell wrote: > Hi All, > > I believe these are Seeburg conversion parts. They are from an operator's old parts pile. I believe I have some more somewhere, including gears, but I have not come across them lately. I am unsure if they are from a 78 RPM or used to make a 78 into a 45 RPM. > > http://members.cox.net/craig4s/MVC-001S.JPG > > David (by the Geritol Ghetto) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Yes, those are parts from M100A for both 78 and 45s. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 16:08:08 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Nov 11 16:09:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg G colors Message-ID: <610577.69899.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi all, Someone wanted the correct colors for a model G--there is on on eBay, that looks?original to me--330283947846 RonRich? From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Nov 12 05:36:54 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Wed Nov 12 05:34:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F and G Cabinet Colors Message-ID: <200811120836509.SM03204@[192.168.1.206]> Hi All, I was looking through some old paperwork I had trying to find where I had seen a list of the colors - the "official" names - that AMI gave to the cabinet colors of the AMI F and G series. I can't remember where I saw the list, but perhaps someone on the list knows. The only one's I can remember were Firecracker Red, Atoll Coral, and Paddy's Green. What were the blue, yellow, tan, and black colors called? Also, anyone know what the fleck colors would have been on the cabinets? I've only seen the blue, red and coral cabinets so I'm good with the fleck for those. For example, the Firecracker Red cabinet had a grey and black fleck. The Atoll Coral cabinet had a black and tan fleck. The blue cabinet had a grey and black fleck. Was the yellow cabinet flecked in grey and black as well? I've got a black F in my shop that looks like it was painted by a roller in some guy's garage. There's a gold metallic glitter all over it and it really looks cheezy. That's not original, is it? It's driving me nuts that AMI came up with some pretty neat color combinations but the black cabinet was splattered in gold glitter? I thought I saw somewhere that the black cabinet was flecked in grey and red. Is this correct? Just curious. I may want to repaint the extra F I have just to clean it up a bit. The black might be kind of cool. But not the glitter. Yuck! Aaron From msheroan at fuse.net Mon Nov 10 13:11:45 2008 From: msheroan at fuse.net (Mike Sheroan) Date: Wed Nov 12 08:09:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newby Message-ID: <000601c94378$f32cdd30$0301a8c0@homecomputer> I have a Seeburg Automatic Playback Unit AP-1 Serial # 15382, I would like to know where to get belts for the drive unit and also any help with how the steppers work. I ahve not used this for a few years but it use to work perfectly. Holds vinyl alblums I think 50, has rotary dialer and had a remote, lost somewhere in move. This unit has no internal speakers. Can't find anyone who knows about the stepper electrical layout, also how do you find a value as have not seen any on ebay or anywhere else. Thanks Will supply pic's if needed, cabinet with swing in doors is in very good shape Mike From Gerhard.Dierenbach at aflskg.bwl.de Tue Nov 11 06:49:47 2008 From: Gerhard.Dierenbach at aflskg.bwl.de (Gerhard.Dierenbach@aflskg.bwl.de) Date: Wed Nov 12 08:09:57 2008 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] connecting seeburg sc1 "consolette" to 222 Message-ID: <0B31B0B061449A4CAA5FD9C360C012F5201CAA@AFLSKG-S1.aflskg.mlrbw.net> From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 08:48:07 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Nov 12 08:49:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newby In-Reply-To: <000601c94378$f32cdd30$0301a8c0@homecomputer> Message-ID: <560319.53282.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mike, I have belts (and other parts)--contact me off list--ronnnrich@yahoo.com? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Mike Sheroan wrote: From: Mike Sheroan Subject: [Jukebox-list] Newby To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 1:11 PM I have a Seeburg Automatic Playback Unit AP-1 Serial # 15382, I would like to know where to get belts for the drive unit and also any help with how the steppers work. I ahve not used this for a few years but it use to work perfectly. Holds vinyl alblums I think 50, has rotary dialer and had a remote, lost somewhere in move. This unit has no internal speakers. Can't find anyone who knows about the stepper electrical layout, also how do you find a value as have not seen any on ebay or anywhere else. Thanks Will supply pic's if needed, cabinet with swing in doors is in very good shape Mike _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 09:01:45 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Nov 12 09:02:52 2008 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] connecting seeburg sc1 "consolette" to 222 In-Reply-To: <0B31B0B061449A4CAA5FD9C360C012F5201CAA@AFLSKG-S1.aflskg.mlrbw.net> Message-ID: <24640.69156.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I am assuming here (since no text came through on your post), that you want to connect a SC-1 to a model 222 jukebox. I also am assuming that you have an RCSU-2 in the 222. Seeburg never intended for that combination to be used. It CAN be done, but you will need to get out the schematics, and re-wire the RCSU-2 to the configuration used by the SC-1. A LOT of work, which MAY involve adding wire length. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Gerhard.Dierenbach@aflskg.bwl.de wrote: From: Gerhard.Dierenbach@aflskg.bwl.de Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] connecting seeburg sc1 "consolette" to 222 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 6:49 AM _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Homer87015 at aol.com Wed Nov 12 11:54:07 2008 From: Homer87015 at aol.com (Homer87015@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 12 12:01:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F and G Cabinet Colors Message-ID: Hi, according to my "vintage Jukeboxes" book the colours were Tahitian Brown - Ember`ed Charcoal - Sunburst Yellow - Bright Sand - Happy Blue (Plus the ones you remember. ) From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 12:11:28 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Nov 12 12:12:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F and G Cabinet Colors In-Reply-To: <200811120836509.SM03204@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <277010.60945.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: > Was the yellow > cabinet flecked in grey and black as well? As I recall it is, but I can double check mine when I get home. I'll need to check up on it make sure it hasn't floated away anyway. We've had so much rain and wind here the past couple days every river in Western Washington is on flood alert. From js at cimmeri.com Wed Nov 12 12:23:01 2008 From: js at cimmeri.com (js@cimmeri.com) Date: Wed Nov 12 12:31:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F and G Cabinet Colors In-Reply-To: <20081112200002.4ECF5AAA0D@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20081112200002.4ECF5AAA0D@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <491B3B25.9070602@cimmeri.com> Hey, Aaron. The 8 color names were: Emberred Charcoal, Sunburst Yellow, Firecracker Red, Happy Blue, Tahitian Brown, Atoll Coral, Paddy's Green, and Bright Sand. I copied and pasted that from: http://tomszone.com/Photos/AMI/AMI_F_54.html I know you've painted the red out before. What paint and paint code did you use? I'll eventually redone mine in the red. JS >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:36:54 GMT >From: "Aaron Heverin" >Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F and G Cabinet Colors >To: >Message-ID: <200811120836509.SM03204@[192.168.1.206]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Hi All, > >I was looking through some old paperwork I had trying to find where I had seen a list of the colors - the "official" names - that AMI gave to the cabinet colors of the AMI F and G series. I can't remember where I saw the list, but perhaps someone on the list knows. The only one's I can remember were Firecracker Red, Atoll Coral, and Paddy's Green. What were the blue, yellow, tan, and black colors called? > >Also, anyone know what the fleck colors would have been on the cabinets? I've only seen the blue, red and coral cabinets so I'm good with the fleck for those. For example, the Firecracker Red cabinet had a grey and black fleck. The Atoll Coral cabinet had a black and tan fleck. The blue cabinet had a grey and black fleck. Was the yellow cabinet flecked in grey and black as well? I've got a black F in my shop that looks like it was painted by a roller in some guy's garage. There's a gold metallic glitter all over it and it really looks cheezy. That's not original, is it? It's driving me nuts that AMI came up with some pretty neat color combinations but the black cabinet was splattered in gold glitter? I thought I saw somewhere that the black cabinet was flecked in grey and red. Is this correct? > >Just curious. I may want to repaint the extra F I have just to clean it up a bit. The black might be kind of cool. But not the glitter. Yuck! > >Aaron > > > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 15:26:17 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Nov 12 15:27:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F and G Cabinet Colors In-Reply-To: <491B3B25.9070602@cimmeri.com> Message-ID: <169368.67802.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 11/12/08, js@cimmeri.com wrote: > I copied and pasted that from: > http://tomszone.com/Photos/AMI/AMI_F_54.html Wow, those machines look a lot taller in person! :-) One of my pet peeves in graphics is folks who resize pictures without maintaining the original aspect ratio. I've never understood what kind of visual impairment they have that makes them think that sort of thing is aesthetically acceptable. From lavin at cheqnet.net Wed Nov 12 17:34:45 2008 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Wed Nov 12 17:35:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F and G Cabinet Colors References: <200811120836509.SM03204@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <7E04505FF1274C1B9B61E6E84B86D003@dennis38rxl3bv> Aaron, I have a G80, with the original paint. It is yellow and black, with gold fleck's in both colors. I dont see any grey, but I will take a closer look next trip out to the "shop" and double check it. Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Heverin" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:36 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F and G Cabinet Colors Hi All, I was looking through some old paperwork I had trying to find where I had seen a list of the colors - the "official" names - that AMI gave to the cabinet colors of the AMI F and G series. I can't remember where I saw the list, but perhaps someone on the list knows. The only one's I can remember were Firecracker Red, Atoll Coral, and Paddy's Green. What were the blue, yellow, tan, and black colors called? Also, anyone know what the fleck colors would have been on the cabinets? I've only seen the blue, red and coral cabinets so I'm good with the fleck for those. For example, the Firecracker Red cabinet had a grey and black fleck. The Atoll Coral cabinet had a black and tan fleck. The blue cabinet had a grey and black fleck. Was the yellow cabinet flecked in grey and black as well? I've got a black F in my shop that looks like it was painted by a roller in some guy's garage. There's a gold metallic glitter all over it and it really looks cheezy. That's not original, is it? It's driving me nuts that AMI came up with some pretty neat color combinations but the black cabinet was splattered in gold glitter? I thought I saw somewhere that the black cabinet was flecked in grey and red. Is this correct? Just curious. I may want to repaint the extra F I have just to clean it up a bit. The black might be kind of cool. But not the glitter. Yuck! Aaron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Thu Nov 13 00:56:26 2008 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Thu Nov 13 00:57:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F and G Cabinet Colors References: <200811120836509.SM03204@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <58416E952BD042AAB9F8AC8163E47A8C@Graeme> G'day Aaron, The information was in AMI Service Bulletin No 116 dated February 1956. It describes the spray equipment used the colors to mix the eight colors. There are four pages I will send to you off list. Graeme Harvey. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Heverin" To: Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:36 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F and G Cabinet Colors Hi All, I was looking through some old paperwork I had trying to find where I had seen a list of the colors - the "official" names - that AMI gave to the cabinet colors of the AMI F and G series. I can't remember where I saw the list, but perhaps someone on the list knows. The only one's I can remember were Firecracker Red, Atoll Coral, and Paddy's Green. What were the blue, yellow, tan, and black colors called? Also, anyone know what the fleck colors would have been on the cabinets? I've only seen the blue, red and coral cabinets so I'm good with the fleck for those. For example, the Firecracker Red cabinet had a grey and black fleck. The Atoll Coral cabinet had a black and tan fleck. The blue cabinet had a grey and black fleck. Was the yellow cabinet flecked in grey and black as well? I've got a black F in my shop that looks like it was painted by a roller in some guy's garage. There's a gold metallic glitter all over it and it really looks cheezy. That's not original, is it? It's driving me nuts that AMI came up with some pretty neat color combinations but the black cabinet was splattered in gold glitter? I thought I saw somewhere that the black cabinet was flecked in grey and red. Is this correct? Just curious. I may want to repaint the extra F I have just to clean it up a bit. The black might be kind of cool. But not the glitter. Yuck! Aaron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Thu Nov 13 01:35:19 2008 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Thu Nov 13 01:36:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F and G Cabinet Colors References: <169368.67802.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The names of the colors used in the AMI Service Bulletin differ to that on tomzone. They are Delft Blue, Canary Yellow, Chartruese Green, Night-Sky Black, Bright Sand, Cherry Red, Atoll Coral, & Emberred Charcoal. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F and G Cabinet Colors > --- On Wed, 11/12/08, js@cimmeri.com wrote: > > >> I copied and pasted that from: >> http://tomszone.com/Photos/AMI/AMI_F_54.html > > > Wow, those machines look a lot taller in person! :-) > > > One of my pet peeves in graphics is folks who resize pictures > without maintaining the original aspect ratio. I've never > understood what kind of visual impairment they have that > makes them think that sort of thing is aesthetically acceptable. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rudymart at charter.net Wed Nov 12 17:50:37 2008 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Thu Nov 13 01:44:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s problem Message-ID: <7E04D22BF3154893AD48B747A5D2524F@luluPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: rudymart To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: rudymart@charter.net Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:14 PM Subject: wurlitzer 2410s problem the record changer does not stop on the selection made.it seems it is being forced to the next slot after the selection(if i am making myself clear).also the selector pin is being bent . this happens eveytime. can someone tell me what might be causing this? rudy From joe400f at shaw.ca Thu Nov 13 08:17:40 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Thu Nov 13 08:18:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F and G Cabinet Colors In-Reply-To: <58416E952BD042AAB9F8AC8163E47A8C@Graeme> References: <200811120836509.SM03204@[192.168.1.206]> <58416E952BD042AAB9F8AC8163E47A8C@Graeme> Message-ID: Graeme, I would be interested in that AMI bulletin as well please. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Graeme Harvey Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:57 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI F and G Cabinet Colors To: Jukebox mailing list > G'day Aaron, > The information was in AMI Service Bulletin No 116 dated > February 1956. > It describes the spray equipment used the colors to mix the > eight colors. > There are four pages I will send to you off list. > Graeme Harvey. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aaron Heverin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:36 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F and G Cabinet Colors > > > Hi All, > > I was looking through some old paperwork I had trying to find > where I had > seen a list of the colors - the "official" names - that AMI gave > to the > cabinet colors of the AMI F and G series. I can't remember where > I saw the > list, but perhaps someone on the list knows. The only one's I > can remember > were Firecracker Red, Atoll Coral, and Paddy's Green. What were > the blue, > yellow, tan, and black colors called? > > Also, anyone know what the fleck colors would have been on the > cabinets? > I've only seen the blue, red and coral cabinets so I'm good with > the fleck > for those. For example, the Firecracker Red cabinet had a grey > and black > fleck. The Atoll Coral cabinet had a black and tan fleck. The > blue cabinet > had a grey and black fleck. Was the yellow cabinet flecked in > grey and black > as well? I've got a black F in my shop that looks like it was > painted by a > roller in some guy's garage. There's a gold metallic glitter all > over it and > it really looks cheezy. That's not original, is it? It's driving > me nuts > that AMI came up with some pretty neat color combinations but > the black > cabinet was splattered in gold glitter? I thought I saw > somewhere that the > black cabinet was flecked in grey and red. Is this correct? > > Just curious. I may want to repaint the extra F I have just to > clean it up a > bit. The black might be kind of cool. But not the glitter. Yuck! > > Aaron > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 09:59:43 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 13 10:00:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s problem In-Reply-To: <7E04D22BF3154893AD48B747A5D2524F@luluPC> Message-ID: <250153.82358.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Do you have a service manual ?? If so, find the "stopping switch", and fix/replace it. If not, purchase a manual (available from www.alwaysjukin.com? and others). Do NOT continue to allow it to bend the pins !? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/12/08, rudymart wrote: From: rudymart Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 5:50 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: rudymart To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: rudymart@charter.net Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:14 PM Subject: wurlitzer 2410s problem the record changer does not stop on the selection made.it seems it is being forced to the next slot after the selection(if i am making myself clear).also the selector pin is being bent . this happens eveytime. can someone tell me what might be causing this? rudy _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rudymart at charter.net Wed Nov 12 17:14:01 2008 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Thu Nov 13 10:05:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s problem Message-ID: the record changer does not stop on the selection made.it seems it is being forced to the next slot after the selection(if i am making myself clear).also the selector pin is being bent . this happens eveytime. can someone tell me what might be causing this? rudy From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 11:23:00 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Nov 13 11:24:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI F and G Cabinet Colors In-Reply-To: <277010.60945.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <342360.32908.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 11/12/08, I wrote: (Regarding black and gray spatters on the yellow paint.) > As I recall it is, but I can double check mine when I get > home. I was completely wrong (as usual when I go by memory). The paint is "lumpy" yellow with gold flecks in it. No second color. It looks like there are white or lighter yellow spatters, but that it the result of wear on the high spots. Checking under the horn (this is a G) or behind the side "windows" reveals yellow with gold flecks only. From js at cimmeri.com Thu Nov 13 12:22:28 2008 From: js at cimmeri.com (js@cimmeri.com) Date: Thu Nov 13 12:23:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F and G Cabinet Colors In-Reply-To: <20081113200003.31FC6AAB29@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20081113200003.31FC6AAB29@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <491C8C84.9030206@cimmeri.com> >Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:23:00 -0800 (PST) >From: David Breneman > >I was completely wrong (as usual when I go by memory). The >paint is "lumpy" yellow with gold flecks in it. No second >color. It looks like there are white or lighter yellow >spatters, but that it the result of wear on the high spots. >Checking under the horn (this is a G) or behind the side >"windows" reveals yellow with gold flecks only. > My original G-80 yellow has the lumpy yellow/gold, but also sparse black flecks. JS From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Nov 13 12:54:50 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Nov 13 12:58:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s problem Message-ID: <20081113.155450.17487.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hello Rudy: This problem is either being caused by an out-of-adjustment record changer, or it can be an electrically related problem caused by a microswitch or a relay failure. Don't continue to operate your juke with this condition happening--there's the possibility of bigger damage. If you are reasonably handy and have a set of home workshop hand tools, I can probably guide you through this troubleshooting and adjustment procedure. When we conversed a few months back about a power supply problem, did you mention that you have the W 2400 service manual? This process will be easier for you to follow if I couch it in the terms of the record changer adjustment section of that book. There are also some helpful photos/diagrams you can follow. With the manual, the work should be brief enough where we can handle the communication through this forum. If not, we may need to have a phone call with each other. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Easy-to-use, advanced features, flexible phone systems. Click here for more info. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vdHteHohaQKsQB5cd2Ox2VD05TFQgUFXbWogeeATt5f2lEi/ From aaron at vertasource.com Thu Nov 13 13:02:09 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Thu Nov 13 12:59:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F and G Cabinet Colors Message-ID: <20081113160279.SM02944@[192.168.1.206]> Last night, I pulled the interior backdrop off the F I have in my shop. It's black with gold flecks. Now that's really unusual. I thought for sure that the finish was a hack job that a previous owner did with a roller and a bottle of glitter from JoAnn Fabrics. Off hand, I can't figure out how you would duplicate the method of applying the gold fleck if you didn't have it suspended in a clear laquer. Aaron From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 13:28:44 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Nov 13 13:29:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F and G Cabinet Colors In-Reply-To: <491C8C84.9030206@cimmeri.com> Message-ID: <832988.34668.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 11/13/08, js@cimmeri.com wrote: > My original G-80 yellow has the lumpy yellow/gold, but also > sparse black flecks. Are you sure it's black? There are places on mine where the "gold" has tarnished a little, and they look almost like black flecks, until you examine them under a strong light and then you can see a gold glint in them. That's why I double checked under the horn to see if any of them were actually black, and found that all were gold. They don't look like glitter, however (unlike the ones attached to the record rack cover) they look almost like little pieces of mica. Very thin. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Nov 13 13:35:00 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Nov 13 13:36:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F and G Cabinet Colors Message-ID: <20081113.163500.17487.2@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hello Aaron: How is your Rock Ola Tempo project coming along? Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________________ Get Freebies & Coupons -- Free of Hassle at FreeInternet.com! Visit http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1221/?u=http://www.freeinternet.com From jeremy at dwave.net Thu Nov 13 18:02:56 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Thu Nov 13 18:04:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 12AU7 tube needed for AMI F amp Message-ID: <20081114015932.M57012@dwave.net> I am working on a AMI F amp and I have found a shorted 12AU7 tube. With a quick search I have found several places to get the tube. Any recomendations? I don't need a brand new tube. Thanks Jeremy Agema From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Nov 13 19:03:15 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Nov 13 19:05:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 12AU7 tube needed for AMI F amp Message-ID: <20081113.220315.14198.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Hi: You shouldn't have any problems finding new 12AU7 tubes. These are widely available from electronic parts houses.. Try Parts Express at www.partsexpress.com Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Are you safe? Click for quotes on a home security system. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4ueRwmqShmVMqx8Es5rD8sLi6pCwCnW3QAb2l6VxXV4IZQ1A/ From joe400f at shaw.ca Thu Nov 13 19:21:15 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Thu Nov 13 19:22:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 12AU7 tube needed for AMI F amp References: <20081114015932.M57012@dwave.net> Message-ID: <003e01c94608$0dc7cb50$939f4f18@compaq> If you need one quick, Look up your local musical instrument store. Mainly a Fender dealer. They will stock it. It is a common guitar amp tube. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Agema" To: "Jukebox list" Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:02 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] 12AU7 tube needed for AMI F amp >I am working on a AMI F amp and I have found a shorted 12AU7 tube. > > With a quick search I have found several places to get the tube. Any > recomendations? I don't need a brand new tube. > > Thanks > Jeremy Agema > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bobe at halted.com Thu Nov 13 19:39:42 2008 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob E.) Date: Thu Nov 13 23:33:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 12AU7 tube needed for AMI F amp In-Reply-To: <20081114015932.M57012@dwave.net> References: <20081114015932.M57012@dwave.net> Message-ID: <491CF2FE.9080907@halted.com> Jeremy Agema wrote: > I am working on a AMI F amp and I have found a shorted 12AU7 tube. > > With a quick search I have found several places to get the tube. Any > recomendations? I don't need a brand new tube. > I've got bunches, and I am in the midst of sorting, testing and boxing them to put in my store. I've got plenty of brands and types, including RCA clear-tops and Amperex Bugle-Boys for those cases where it matters. You can email me off-list if you like, and I'll let you know what I have in stock. I'm waiting on more plain white boxes from AES before I can take them into the store. --Bob From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Nov 14 04:05:59 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Nov 14 04:07:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 12AU7 tube needed for AMI F amp In-Reply-To: <20081113.220315.14198.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081113.220315.14198.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <20081114120444.M43322@dwave.net> Thanks Jim, I didn't know that parts houses still had them (tubes). Jeremy Agema On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:03:15 GMT, James Alexander wrote > Hi: > You shouldn't have any problems finding new 12AU7 tubes. These are > widely available from electronic parts houses.. Try Parts Express > at www.partsexpress.com Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ > Are you safe? Click for quotes on a home security system. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4ueRwmqShmVMqx8Es5rD8sLi 6pCwCnW3QAb2l6VxXV4IZQ1A/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Nov 14 04:06:42 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Nov 14 04:08:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 12AU7 tube needed for AMI F amp In-Reply-To: <003e01c94608$0dc7cb50$939f4f18@compaq> References: <20081114015932.M57012@dwave.net> <003e01c94608$0dc7cb50$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: <20081114120606.M24713@dwave.net> Great idea Joey! I will give it a shot today. Thanks! Jeremy Agema On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:21:15 -0600, Joey McDonald wrote > If you need one quick, Look up your local musical instrument store. > Mainly a Fender dealer. They will stock it. It is a common guitar > amp tube. > > Joey McDonald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremy Agema" > To: "Jukebox list" > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:02 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] 12AU7 tube needed for AMI F amp > > >I am working on a AMI F amp and I have found a shorted 12AU7 tube. > > > > With a quick search I have found several places to get the tube. Any > > recomendations? I don't need a brand new tube. > > > > Thanks > > Jeremy Agema > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Nov 14 04:09:06 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Nov 14 04:09:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 12AU7 tube needed for AMI F amp In-Reply-To: <491CF2FE.9080907@halted.com> References: <20081114015932.M57012@dwave.net> <491CF2FE.9080907@halted.com> Message-ID: <20081114120647.M93692@dwave.net> Wow, sounds like you have your hands full :) I will email you off list if I can't find something at the local guitar shop. Thanks for the offer Bob Jeremy Agema On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:39:42 -0800, Bob E. wrote > Jeremy Agema wrote: > > I am working on a AMI F amp and I have found a shorted 12AU7 tube. > > > > With a quick search I have found several places to get the tube. Any > > recomendations? I don't need a brand new tube. > > > > I've got bunches, and I am in the midst of sorting, testing and > boxing them to put in my store. I've got plenty of brands and types, > including RCA clear-tops and Amperex Bugle-Boys for those cases > where it matters. You can email me off-list if you like, and I'll > let you know what I have in stock. I'm waiting on more plain white > boxes from AES before I can take them into the store. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From aaron at vertasource.com Fri Nov 14 05:53:05 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Fri Nov 14 05:50:20 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F and G Cabinet Colors Message-ID: <200811140853167.SM03500@[192.168.1.206]> Hi Jim. Being a "soccer/hockey" Dad keeps me out of the shop for most of the week, but I was able to get in there last night. I started to pull off the metal trim and polish it up. Looks amazing. I found a ceramic cartridge in my tone-arm/needles junk box so I tried that. Sounds great but I don't like the fact that it rides a little lower than a cart thats an exact fit. So there's the question...do you go for looks, great sound, or a combination of both? When last I spoke to you, I mentioned that I was going to put a GE VR-II cart in the tone-arm and run a pre-amp between the cart and the amp. The VR-II fit nicely and looked great...but the issue I have is introducing another piece of equipment into the sound chain. I won't know if this will even sound good until the amp is rebuilt. Has anyone ever tried this before - using a magnetic cart instead of a ceramic...and a pre-amp in line to the amp? Still have to buy a few parts but I think I'm going to hold off on that until after Christmas. I'll try and get some pictures posted of the work in progress. It's so cool to FINALLY be able to work on a jukebox that's mine and not for a customer. That in itself could make this project take a while to complete. While I'm on the subject of cabinet colors, thanks to Graeme, I've got the colors down for the AMI black cabinet with the "gold flitter." What I'm trying to come up with is a way to duplicate the application of the "flitter" since I don't have a spray cannister with a #68 Binks tip on it....and a tank holding the flitter material, suspended in lacquer, agitated at 40 - 100 rpms. Outside of getting a plastic container of gold glitter and blowing it on a freshly painted black cabinet, I can't think of any way to apply a finish like that so that it covers uniformly. I'm starting to like the black F cabinet I have now that I know that it wasn't a DIY job. Aaron From dave.halford at telent.com Fri Nov 14 06:58:13 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Fri Nov 14 06:59:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F and G Cabinet Colors Message-ID: <20081114145814.3893C274068@blade207.lb.inty.net> The below was posted on here a while ago on flecking - unfortunately I did not keep the authors name just his method. The toothbrush is a way to go if you were going to cover a small area, but that would take weeks to do a full size cabinet like an AMI F or G. This is the method I use...but remember that it is just as time consuming, and you MUST practice on a scrap sheet of plywood before you do this to your cabinet. Make sure your scrap is painted the same color as your cabinet before you proceed with practicing. Get yourself a short-bristled wallpaper brush. They are about 12 inches long and the bristles are only about 3/4" or so high. You want a brush that is stiff but will still hold a fair amount of paint...but NOT an amount that will cause huge splatters. You'll also need a plastic trough or pan that's as long as the brush. An Atoll Coral AMI has two colors of fleck: a light tan, and black. Do the tan first. OH! Before you do any of this, make 100% sure that your cabinet is completely dry from any repainting that you do. When I restore these things, I make sure to give the cabinet at least 4 days to completely dry before I put on fleck. I'll explain why in a minute. Pour a line of the tan paint into the trough that's about HALF the length of the brush. Dip the brush into the paint and gently swish and push the brush around so that the bristles are good and coated with the paint. You only want half of the brush covered with the tan paint. Shake off any excess paint back into the trough. Now take the brush and wack it down on a sheet of newspaper to remove any thick globs of paint that accumulated on the brush. You DON'T want huge splotches of paint...just small flecks. Big splotches will run and drip and you want to avoid that. You also don't want so much paint on the bristles that you won't be able to control where it goes once you start flecking. BELIEVE ME....you'll see the paint go flying in the next step so very little paint is better than way too much. You just want to get paint on and in the bristles...you don't want to get it pooled up. You may want to have latex gloves on for the next step. After you've removed a good amount of the paint from the brush - and here's where you need to practice to develop your technique and get a feel for what's going to happen - start flecking the paint on by rubbing your index finger - or thumb against the brush - pulling TOWARD your body - directing the splatter onto the cabinet. Work from the outside bristles of the brush back to the middle. You'll be able to tell when there's no more paint left on the bristles and it's time to reload. You'll have to learn how to position the brush, your finger, and your thumb in relation to the lines and curves of the cabinet to achieve a good uniform result. For example, if you shoot the fleck at the rounded corners of the top of the cabinet, and you have the brush almost completely level with the top of the cabinet itself, you're going to get what I call a "zinger." That's a fairly long thin streak of paint that will resemble a comet. While small zingers look cool, LOTS of them look horrible. So practice, practice, PRACTICE!!! You also want to have a Q-Tip, lightly damp with water, handy while your doing this because if you get a blotch that looks awful, or too big, you can use the Q-Tip to soak up some of the paint, or wipe the blotch away entirely. Remember how I said to make sure your cabinet is completely dry before you put on the fleck? Well, you actually have a small margin for error when doing this step because you'll be able to wipe away any small areas of imperfection in the fleck without removing any of the main cabinet color. You'll also discover that by the time you get done flecking one side of the cabinet, the previous side you flecked will be almost dry. Let the tan dry for about an hour before you move on to the black, which you'll apply exactly the same way. Only this time, use the OPPOSITE side of the brush - just make sure you wash the brush before you proceed with the black coat. Here's some tips to consider: 1) Stay at least a foot or more away from the cabinet when you're doing this. If you get too close, you'll accumulate too much fleck in one area. You want the covering to appear random. 2) The harder you flick your fingers and thumb over the brush, the more paint you'll flick off the brush and the results will be bigger flecks - until the brush goes almost completely dry...in which case you'll wind up with very tiny flecks. Watch big splotches because they will drip. Try to get a mixture of both big and little flecks. Too much of the little flecks will drastically alter the overall color of the cabinet. Practice to get a good mix. Be artistic. You are in complete control as to how this will look so take your time. 3) The rails on the back of the cabinet will need to be flecked too, but because they are curved, getting a uniform covering is difficult. Get within 4 inches of the rails with your brush and flick very slowly. You don't want too big of an area with NO fleck on it. 4) The top dome is done separately. Remove it from the cabinet and paint and fleck it by itself. Watch the curves. 5) If you DO get a large splash of paint that looks ugly, you may be able to take a very fine paintbrush and do some artistic manipulation of the splotch so that it looks a bit more pleasing. I've done this many times where I've painted hundreds of splotches by hand simply because I wanted something not as uniform as what was coming off the wallpaper brush. 6) Make sure you get a uniform coat of the tan, before you proceed to the black. You CAN'T go back and redo the tan once you start the black because the color blend will be off. You'll have to paint flecks on top of each other manually if you make a mistake and have to go back and redo any of the tan flecks. 7) Oh...NEVER...NEVER do any of this with an oil base paint. Clean-up is impossible as is correcting any mistakes. Once you are finished with the flecking, you won't believe that the cabinet was the same thing you started out with. Once flecked, the cabinet just JUMPS out at you and screams the 1950s. One of the Atoll Coral AMI Fs I restored wound up in an ice cream parlor. It was wild to see it in action especially once it was completely reassembled and lit up. I can send you pictures if you like. After everything is dry - and I give it 2 days or so...I then spray 6 coats of clear-coat on the entire cabinet. You'll also notice that by flecking the tan and black on the cabinet in this way, you'll achieve the exact same results that AMI did when they sprayed the colors suspended in lacquer - a slightly bumpy finish. This finish will begin to smooth over the more coat of clear finish you apply. Please let me know if you have any further questions. I'll be glad to help you through this entire process.regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 07:16:25 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Nov 14 07:17:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F and G Cabinet Colors In-Reply-To: <200811140853167.SM03500@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <310988.19182.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Aaron, When it comes to cabinets, I know NOTHING, but I did watch a guy, a long time ago, paint on the "Red" color. He did exactly what you suggested with gold "glitter"--just shook it onto the wet paint. I thought it looked real good. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F and G Cabinet Colors To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 5:53 AM Hi Jim. Being a "soccer/hockey" Dad keeps me out of the shop for most of the week, but I was able to get in there last night. I started to pull off the metal trim and polish it up. Looks amazing. I found a ceramic cartridge in my tone-arm/needles junk box so I tried that. Sounds great but I don't like the fact that it rides a little lower than a cart thats an exact fit. So there's the question...do you go for looks, great sound, or a combination of both? When last I spoke to you, I mentioned that I was going to put a GE VR-II cart in the tone-arm and run a pre-amp between the cart and the amp. The VR-II fit nicely and looked great...but the issue I have is introducing another piece of equipment into the sound chain. I won't know if this will even sound good until the amp is rebuilt. Has anyone ever tried this before - using a magnetic cart instead of a ceramic...and a pre-amp in line to the amp? Still have to buy a few parts but I think I'm going to hold off on that until after Christmas. I'll try and get some pictures posted of the work in progress. It's so cool to FINALLY be able to work on a jukebox that's mine and not for a customer. That in itself could make this project take a while to complete. While I'm on the subject of cabinet colors, thanks to Graeme, I've got the colors down for the AMI black cabinet with the "gold flitter." What I'm trying to come up with is a way to duplicate the application of the "flitter" since I don't have a spray cannister with a #68 Binks tip on it....and a tank holding the flitter material, suspended in lacquer, agitated at 40 - 100 rpms. Outside of getting a plastic container of gold glitter and blowing it on a freshly painted black cabinet, I can't think of any way to apply a finish like that so that it covers uniformly. I'm starting to like the black F cabinet I have now that I know that it wasn't a DIY job. Aaron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From aaron at vertasource.com Fri Nov 14 07:28:02 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Fri Nov 14 07:25:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F and G Cabinet Colors Message-ID: <200811141028239.SM03500@[192.168.1.206]> HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! It was me! Applying the flecking on the Red, and Coral cabinets is a snap because you're flecking with paint. I'm wondering how to do the fleck in glitter - which apparently is original to a few of the AMI F and G cabinets. JS, I haven't forgotten about your request for the color code for the Firecracker Red. I think I may have put this up on the board before...but I use a furniture grade Muralo paint. I say "furniture grade" because it's specifically made to be used in high-traffic areas...or on things that will get handled a lot. If you head over to http://www.muralo.com/home/ you'll see more information about the paint itself. I think I put this up on the board before, but I DIDN'T go to Home Depot or Lowes to get my first can of Firecracker Red for an F I was restoring. I went to one of the few remaining paint stores in my area where the guy behind the counter was a color expert, and relied on his skill and knowledge of his tinting colors rather than with a computer. I had a small piece of the wood from the lower door frame that wasn't damaged by years of neglect and filth. I brought this piece to the paint guy and he studied it for several hours before he called me back and said he had a pretty good match...taking into consideration the age of the sample and how it may have looked when the paint was first applied back in 1954. He showed me half a dozen samples of what he came up with....and it wasn't samples painted on a small piece of paper with his thumb. He actually painted on a large piece of finished plywood, and we were able to come up with a dead-on match. He also worked with me on coming up with a formula to mix the paint with a "thinner" to allow it to be applied with a sprayer. Try THAT at Home Depot! He did the same thing when I needed the Atoll Coral color. So I have the formulas for both the Red and the Coral...but only for Muralo paint. But keep in mind that the base coat is only one part of finishing off the entire cabinet. There's the flecking and clear coat as well. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: dave.halford@telent.com Sent 11/14/2008 9:58:13 AM To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F and G Cabinet Colors The below was posted on here a while ago on flecking - unfortunately I did not keep the authors name just his method. The toothbrush is a way to go if you were going to cover a small area, but that would take weeks to do a full size cabinet like an AMI F or G. This is the method I use...but remember that it is just as time consuming, and you MUST practice on a scrap sheet of plywood before you do this to your cabinet. Make sure your scrap is painted the same color as your cabinet before you proceed with practicing. Get yourself a short-bristled wallpaper brush. They are about 12 inches long and the bristles are only about 3/4" or so high. You want a brush that is stiff but will still hold a fair amount of paint...but NOT an amount that will cause huge splatters. You'll also need a plastic trough or pan that's as long as the brush. An Atoll Coral AMI has two colors of fleck: a light tan, and black. Do the tan first. OH! Before you do any of this, make 100% sure that your cabinet is completely dry from any repainting that you do. When I restore these things, I make sure to give the cabinet at least 4 days to completely dry before I put on fleck. I'll explain why in a minute. Pour a line of the tan paint into the trough that's about HALF the length of the brush. Dip the brush into the paint and gently swish and push the brush around so that the bristles are good and coated with the paint. You only want half of the brush covered with the tan paint. Shake off any excess paint back into the trough. Now take the brush and wack it down on a sheet of newspaper to remove any thick globs of paint that accumulated on the brush. You DON'T want huge splotches of paint...just small flecks. Big splotches will run and drip and you want to avoid that. You also don't want so much paint on the bristles that you won't be able to control where it goes once you start flecking. BELIEVE ME....you'll see the paint go flying in the next step so very little paint is better than way too much. You just want to get paint on and in the bristles...you don't want to get it pooled up. You may want to have latex gloves on for the next step. After you've removed a good amount of the paint from the brush - and here's where you need to practice to develop your technique and get a feel for what's going to happen - start flecking the paint on by rubbing your index finger - or thumb against the brush - pulling TOWARD your body - directing the splatter onto the cabinet. Work from the outside bristles of the brush back to the middle. You'll be able to tell when there's no more paint left on the bristles and it's time to reload. You'll have to learn how to position the brush, your finger, and your thumb in relation to the lines and curves of the cabinet to achieve a good uniform result. For example, if you shoot the fleck at the rounded corners of the top of the cabinet, and you have the brush almost completely level with the top of the cabinet itself, you're going to get what I call a "zinger." That's a fairly long thin streak of paint that will resemble a comet. While small zingers look cool, LOTS of them look horrible. So practice, practice, PRACTICE!!! You also want to have a Q-Tip, lightly damp with water, handy while your doing this because if you get a blotch that looks awful, or too big, you can use the Q-Tip to soak up some of the paint, or wipe the blotch away entirely. Remember how I said to make sure your cabinet is completely dry before you put on the fleck? Well, you actually have a small margin for error when doing this step because you'll be able to wipe away any small areas of imperfection in the fleck without removing any of the main cabinet color. You'll also discover that by the time you get done flecking one side of the cabinet, the previous side you flecked will be almost dry. Let the tan dry for about an hour before you move on to the black, which you'll apply exactly the same way. Only this time, use the OPPOSITE side of the brush - just make sure you wash the brush before you proceed with the black coat. Here's some tips to consider: 1) Stay at least a foot or more away from the cabinet when you're doing this. If you get too close, you'll accumulate too much fleck in one area. You want the covering to appear random. 2) The harder you flick your fingers and thumb over the brush, the more paint you'll flick off the brush and the results will be bigger flecks - until the brush goes almost completely dry...in which case you'll wind up with very tiny flecks. Watch big splotches because they will drip. Try to get a mixture of both big and little flecks. Too much of the little flecks will drastically alter the overall color of the cabinet. Practice to get a good mix. Be artistic. You are in complete control as to how this will look so take your time. 3) The rails on the back of the cabinet will need to be flecked too, but because they are curved, getting a uniform covering is difficult. Get within 4 inches of the rails with your brush and flick very slowly. You don't want too big of an area with NO fleck on it. 4) The top dome is done separately. Remove it from the cabinet and paint and fleck it by itself. Watch the curves. 5) If you DO get a large splash of paint that looks ugly, you may be able to take a very fine paintbrush and do some artistic manipulation of the splotch so that it looks a bit more pleasing. I've done this many times where I've painted hundreds of splotches by hand simply because I wanted something not as uniform as what was coming off the wallpaper brush. 6) Make sure you get a uniform coat of the tan, before you proceed to the black. You CAN'T go back and redo the tan once you start the black because the color blend will be off. You'll have to paint flecks on top of each other manually if you make a mistake and have to go back and redo any of the tan flecks. 7) Oh...NEVER...NEVER do any of this with an oil base paint. Clean-up is impossible as is correcting any mistakes. Once you are finished with the flecking, you won't believe that the cabinet was the same thing you started out with. Once flecked, the cabinet just JUMPS out at you and screams the 1950s. One of the Atoll Coral AMI Fs I restored wound up in an ice cream parlor. It was wild to see it in action especially once it was completely reassembled and lit up. I can send you pictures if you like. After everything is dry - and I give it 2 days or so...I then spray 6 coats of clear-coat on the entire cabinet. You'll also notice that by flecking the tan and black on the cabinet in this way, you'll achieve the exact same results that AMI did when they sprayed the colors suspended in lacquer - a slightly bumpy finish. This finish will begin to smooth over the more coat of clear finish you apply. Please let me know if you have any further questions. I'll be glad to help you through this entire process.regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dave.halford at telent.com Fri Nov 14 07:47:09 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Fri Nov 14 07:56:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F and G Cabinet Colors Message-ID: <20081114154704.7A327AFB8C@blade209.la.inty.net> Ah! If a laquer and glitter mix will not flick from a brush properly. How about putting the glitter in a seive and tap it on the palm of your other hand as you move it about over the wet cabinet same as you dust icing sugar over cakes then laquer again over the top to seal the glitter in? regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From escapepod87 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 13 14:38:14 2008 From: escapepod87 at hotmail.com (Rich/Kevin) Date: Fri Nov 14 08:08:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] FS: Wurlitzer 3000 Capacitor Kit 546B Message-ID: Hi Matt I have a 546B wurlitzer amp with a problem--would you mind telling me who you sent the amp to? Thank You Rich Anderson 612-581-1842 escapepod87@hotmail.com From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 14 09:41:09 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 14 09:44:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F and G Cabinet Colors Message-ID: <20081114.124109.24469.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Hello Aaron: RE: Your R-O 1475: I've tried to install stereo magnetic cartridges into RO machines of this era, intended as a sound upgrade and have run into challenges. Mechanically the tone arm & cartridge combination works. Where I ran into problems was the ability to establish "clean" grounding between the cartridge, record changer, the add-on mag phono preamp and the amplifier. Tried every possible wiring combination and isolation, but I could not fully get rid of clicks/pops/static in the amp caused by the record changer motors during cycle. Made no difference whether the amp was muted or not. The mag. components all worked well when separated and hooked up on a workbench. When in the cabinet,using the factory wiring harnesses,couldn't get rid of the interference. Changing back to the ceramic pickup, running separate grounds,and eliminating the preamp solved the problem. By the way, the GE VR-II is a mono magnetic cart. that doesn't track stereo records very well.You might want to re-think that decision. The original RO stereo cartridge used in the 60's Tempos, Regis models was an Astatic 15, which ultimately morphed into the Astatic 133 by the 70's. A lot of the folks who sell NOS products are still offering 133's. The large-body ceramic cart. (that you like the looks of) used in your Tempo 1 is a CBS-Hytron model, long since gone. You can usually find special mounting screws, spacer hardware, that'll allow you to correctly position a smaller cartridge to track properly and look "correct". Improperly setting up a phono cart. usually will cause excess needle and record wear. The stereo ceramic I used in my 1495 rebuild project was the Pfanstiehl P-132D. It worked well and it's widely available. Since most electronics products makers have cut way back on phono cartridge production, I try to stick with models where replacement stylii will contnue to be available---the old "strength in numbers" routine. Have a great day. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Lose up to 20 lbs in one month with a new diet. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tK0THozgGvlIuCCyB8LScJX2pXpLNL55L2ml1HT2Bxh00yS/ From ddedic at earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 07:26:28 2008 From: ddedic at earthlink.net (dale dedic) Date: Fri Nov 14 12:57:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 12AU7 tube needed for AMI F amp References: <20081114015932.M57012@dwave.net> <491CF2FE.9080907@halted.com> Message-ID: <1670B49A2E0747BB8261F954882F8FCA@Enevoldsen> Where is a good place to get the white tube boxes. What is AES? THANKS DALE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob E." To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 12AU7 tube needed for AMI F amp > Jeremy Agema wrote: >> I am working on a AMI F amp and I have found a shorted 12AU7 tube. >> >> With a quick search I have found several places to get the tube. Any >> recomendations? I don't need a brand new tube. >> > > I've got bunches, and I am in the midst of sorting, testing and boxing > them to put in my store. I've got plenty of brands and types, including > RCA clear-tops and Amperex Bugle-Boys for those cases where it matters. > You can email me off-list if you like, and I'll let you know what I have > in stock. I'm waiting on more plain white boxes from AES before I can > take them into the store. > > --Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 17:18:12 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Nov 14 17:19:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F and G Cabinet Colors In-Reply-To: <20081114154704.7A327AFB8C@blade209.la.inty.net> Message-ID: <521683.58929.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I am not too sure about this, but I think the guy I watched do it, use a "Parmesan cheese container" to hold the "flecks"---Ron Rich --- On Fri, 11/14/08, dave.halford@telent.com wrote: From: dave.halford@telent.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F and G Cabinet Colors To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 7:47 AM Ah! If a laquer and glitter mix will not flick from a brush properly. How about putting the glitter in a seive and tap it on the palm of your other hand as you move it about over the wet cabinet same as you dust icing sugar over cakes then laquer again over the top to seal the glitter in? regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission or for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Fri Nov 14 18:41:54 2008 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Fri Nov 14 18:42:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] FS: Wurlitzer 3000 Capacitor Kit 546B In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002401c946cb$ba4ec680$2eec5380$@net> Rich, I have had Bill Bickers at Jukebox Friday Night rebuild my 546amp. Sounds great now in my 2910. His web address is http://jukeboxfridaynight.com Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Rich/Kevin Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:38 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] FS: Wurlitzer 3000 Capacitor Kit 546B Hi Matt I have a 546B wurlitzer amp with a problem--would you mind telling me who you sent the amp to? Thank You Rich Anderson 612-581-1842 escapepod87@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Fri Nov 14 18:51:15 2008 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Fri Nov 14 18:52:20 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulitzer 2701 Message-ID: <002501c946cd$0854e070$18fea150$@net> I went and looked at a 2710 this evening. The guy told me it would not play. He deposited coins and the playrak didn't even register the credits. I manually added credits and the latch solenoids would not engage. Seems there is no power to the mechanical unit at all. I checked all the obvious..fuses..amp connection..ect. All seemed in order. I did not have my meter so could not check continuity of the fuses to be sure.but they looked okay. I know it could be hundreds of things.but does anyone have any obvious ideas? I also noticed the selection system didn't appear to have a free play switch. If it has one, where could it be hiding? I didn't want to waste a lot of the guys time, so didn't poke around much. He doesn't want a lot of money for it..less than $150, but don't want to bring home a huge doorstop. Thanks again. Rich From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 19:35:21 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Nov 14 19:36:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 12AU7 tube needed for AMI F amp In-Reply-To: <1670B49A2E0747BB8261F954882F8FCA@Enevoldsen> Message-ID: <514627.48799.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 11/14/08, dale dedic wrote: > Where is a good place to get the white tube boxes. > What is AES? The two I know of are the Audio Engineering Society, and Antique Electronic Supply. I assume it's the latter: http://www.tubesandmore.com From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 20:00:06 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Nov 14 20:01:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: AMI F and G Cabinet Colors In-Reply-To: <200811141028239.SM03500@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <206643.14838.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: > HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! > > It was me! You know you're becoming a legend when you're cited as the source authority to a question you're asking others. Been there; Done that; Feels creepy. "Are you THE Dave Breneman from the INTERNET?" (I heard that from a new co-worker at AT&T in 1995.) Wwwbbbrrrrggghhhh..... From rudymart at charter.net Fri Nov 14 07:53:56 2008 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Fri Nov 14 21:14:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s problem Message-ID: <8419B8C851724AD38892D3EAF172C3FE@luluPC> i do have the w2400 manual. james what ever help you can give me in any fashion would be appreciated. ron is the stopping switch the same as the stop magnet switch that is bottom of the electric selector? thanks for the help guys. rudy From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 14 23:03:21 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 14 23:05:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s problem Message-ID: <20081115.020321.4236.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Rudy: In going through your service manual, the problem you're describing is shown in several places. I'd like to you read through the descriptions in the book first, to become more familiar with your changers' mechanism and it's key parts. An important item to remember is that there are mechanical differences in the 3 record changers of the 2400 family---follow the instructions for the 2410 unit. You should begin your work with the machine turned off and all selection pins cancelled, and the record selector drum free to turn. The record loading lever at the front of the mech should be in the normal-run position. The basket should freely turn clockwise by hand. The book will direct you to simulate some parts of the changer cycle by hand. At the center rear of the changer, below the steel deck, you will see a robotics motor. It will have a knurled shaft sticking out of the rear motor casing. This shaft can be turned by hand to take the changer through it's cycle by hand. The problem you described is shown in the troubleshooting chart at the end of the manual, on P5, in the mechanical and electrical failures section problem # 3 "plays wrong selection" the symptom is "occasionally repeats same selection". Under cause, follow item B "improper ajustment of carriage switch or stop screw". This chart refers us to us to the record changer adjustments section of the book. Your problem and it's adjustments are described for a 2410 on page 25. in Item Q "stop screw adjustment". See item # 11 shown in Figure 64. This screw adjustment, most frequently will correct the problem you are talking about. Please take note of how many turns you make of the adjustment screw. The adjustments are precise. Normally 2-3 turns is the most that's needed. After each adjustment, test the unit by releasing an inside pin at the back of the selector drum that you can see. If you run the changer electrically, be ready to turn the power off quickly if the selector crank jams against the pin,and manually release the jam. If adjusting the stop screw adj. has no effect on the problem, take the screw back to it's original setting. The stop switch function is actually provided by a brown-color, large body micro switch that's mounted on the changer selector crankshaft. Ocasionally these switches will short out . If you turn to the changer diagram on p89 this switch is item #11 on that diagram. It is Wurl part no 60655. I have some these to sell if you need to buy one. The switch will need to be unbolted and unsoldered for removal. In your 2410, the microswitch operates a reversing relay. This relay is located in the rectangular selector chassis at the base of your record changer. On P76 there is a parts diagram of the selector chassis. The reversing relay is item # 9, part # 69240. I'm calling your focus to these parts as the adjustment, microswitch and relay are the most common trouble points that'll cause the problem you're describing. If you want to see an electrical schematic of your changer, go to fold out page 53-54. The 2410 wiring diagram is the actual schematic. The functional schematic is a simplified diagram (other side) that's easier to follow. After you've got the unit running normally again, take time to inspect the selector drum and carefully straighten any bent-over pins that may have gotten damaged. Good Luck, Let me know how this turns out, JIm Alexander _____________________________________________________________________ Get Freebies & Coupons -- Free of Hassle at FreeInternet.com! Visit http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1221/?u=http://www.freeinternet.com From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 14 23:18:52 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 14 23:21:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulitzer 2701 Message-ID: <20081115.021852.4236.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> For your 2710,A few quick things to check: There should be a free play switch on the inside of the keyboard. I believe it's a slide switch on this model. Did you check the fuse mounted on the playrack chassis? If bad, this will cause the symptom you are describing. If the first owner kept it on free play mode with the select light on all the time, the 2 high wattage brown colored resistors (on the keyboard chassis) may have burned open. This is a frequent problem. Try manually releasing a record selector pin (from the back) with your finger and see if the record changer responds and runs. This way you'll be able to tell if the changer and sound system are working. This tests the majority of the machine's circuits. If yes, you will have to troubleshoot and repair the credit unit or it's loss of power. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Graphic Design? Find a school near you. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdIcD6KP8bt7IZRMI0g46rC8uIz5CPsERmZ7qhS5YhaMHoi/ From jay at west.net Fri Nov 14 23:22:16 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Fri Nov 14 23:23:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulitzer 2701 In-Reply-To: <002501c946cd$0854e070$18fea150$@net> References: <002501c946cd$0854e070$18fea150$@net> Message-ID: <491E78A8.2080700@west.net> Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > I went and looked at a 2710 this evening. The guy told me it would not > play. He deposited coins and the playrak didn't even register the credits. > I manually added credits and the latch solenoids would not engage. Seems > there is no power to the mechanical unit at all. I checked all the > obvious..fuses..amp connection..ect. All seemed in order. I did not have > my meter so could not check continuity of the fuses to be sure.but they > looked okay. I know it could be hundreds of things.but does anyone have > any obvious ideas? Hard to say without the manual and a meter. Did you try popping a pin manually to see if it would scan and play? Try wiggling the "fan" in the center of the record carousel side to side to make sure it isn't cocked tripping the safety switch. > I also noticed the selection system didn't appear to have a free play > switch. If it has one, where could it be hiding? I didn't want to waste a > lot of the guys time, so didn't poke around much. He doesn't want a lot of > money for it..less than $150, but don't want to bring home a huge doorstop. It's probably worth that in parts, and the 2700 isn't a bad looking box. This type of thing should be a relatively easy fix and IMHO the price is right if you have the room for it and it's in decent cosmetic shape. Most Wurlitzers of that vintage have a free-play switch right behind the selector buttons. Lift the dome and it should be right there in the middle, a spring-loaded slide switch. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 07:43:08 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Nov 15 07:44:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s problem In-Reply-To: <8419B8C851724AD38892D3EAF172C3FE@luluPC> Message-ID: <76800.35529.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Rudy, Read Jim's answer--Ron Rich --- On Fri, 11/14/08, rudymart wrote: From: rudymart Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 7:53 AM i do have the w2400 manual. james what ever help you can give me in any fashion would be appreciated. ron is the stopping switch the same as the stop magnet switch that is bottom of the electric selector? thanks for the help guys. rudy _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From seancalla at eircom.net Sat Nov 15 09:01:04 2008 From: seancalla at eircom.net (Sean Callaghan) Date: Sat Nov 15 09:08:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 488 amplifier problem number 52280 Message-ID: <20081115170851.ACFABAA95E@lists.netlojix.com> Hi Relatively new at this, have a Rockola 488 about a month, anyway one of the large 4700uf caps was leaking, sound was fine at that stage, tried to desolder it, then had a change of heart, and decided to leave it for a friend to do, put the amplifier back together, turned the machine on and a very audible noise was evident. I can only describe it as a drill like sound or the noise of the tool you use to take nuts of a wheel, The large caps have since been changed including the resistors that are crossed over between them, in addition I have since changed the bridge rectifier, diodes and caps on the power supply board in the amplifier but the noise is still there. No fuses have blown or there is no obvious burn marks inside the amplifier, any help or pointers would be appreciated Regards Sean C -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 268.2.3 - Release Date: 14/03/2006 From joe400f at shaw.ca Sat Nov 15 10:26:39 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sat Nov 15 10:28:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion Message-ID: <001f01c9474f$b3dd40e0$939f4f18@compaq> I have an AMI F and G that I would like to use a more Stereo compliant cartridge on. The current cartridge is a GE VR with a new needle. It is a mono 1 mil needle. There has been some talk lately about ceramic cartridge conversions and modifications. I found a cartridge made by Denon. Its a model DL-102 . Can some one tell me if this would work? It looks like it fit without modification. http://www.needledoctor.com/Denon-DL-102-High-Output-Moving-Coil-Mono-Cartridge I am also not clear on the differences between magnetic cartridges and ceramic cartridges. Am I correct in saying that magnetic cartridges have a higher output? Would I be correct in saying that the GE VR cartridge and this Denon one are both magnetic cartridges? There is some specs in this link but I don't know if it is a close match to the GE VR so they would be directly interchangeable. Here is another link with alot of technical talk and graphs. Still looks to me like it would be a good substitute for the original GE VR without modifications. http://www3.sympatico.ca/murraya/DenonMonoPage.htm It doesn't come cheap, that's for sure. $249 It would sure be nice if someone made a .7mil needle for the GE VR. Joey McDonald From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sat Nov 15 11:01:43 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sat Nov 15 11:02:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <001f01c9474f$b3dd40e0$939f4f18@compaq> References: <001f01c9474f$b3dd40e0$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: <002301c94754$99a23820$cce6a860$@force9.co.uk> Hi, Magnetic cartridges are lower output than ceramic. They are in the order of 1 to 10 mv roughly, as opposed to ceramics which usually go from 240mv to a volt. That Denon cartridge will fit and work, and look period. However it is seriously expensive, and at 3mv output, I would like to listen to it in the machine before I decided. General good replacements for this machine are the Shure M44MR. M44C, Stanton 500 (Radio Shack 500), Pickering NP/AC. All of those will give you a truly fantastic sound if the machine is correctly set up, and amplifier rebuilt. I would not go down the ceramic route, the quality control is not so good, and the sound nowhere near as good. I hope that helps a little Regards Nigel ) -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Joey McDonald Sent: 15 November 2008 18:27 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion I have an AMI F and G that I would like to use a more Stereo compliant cartridge on. The current cartridge is a GE VR with a new needle. It is a mono 1 mil needle. There has been some talk lately about ceramic cartridge conversions and modifications. I found a cartridge made by Denon. Its a model DL-102 . Can some one tell me if this would work? It looks like it fit without modification. http://www.needledoctor.com/Denon-DL-102-High-Output-Moving-Coil-Mono-Cartri dge I am also not clear on the differences between magnetic cartridges and ceramic cartridges. Am I correct in saying that magnetic cartridges have a higher output? Would I be correct in saying that the GE VR cartridge and this Denon one are both magnetic cartridges? There is some specs in this link but I don't know if it is a close match to the GE VR so they would be directly interchangeable. Here is another link with alot of technical talk and graphs. Still looks to me like it would be a good substitute for the original GE VR without modifications. http://www3.sympatico.ca/murraya/DenonMonoPage.htm It doesn't come cheap, that's for sure. $249 It would sure be nice if someone made a .7mil needle for the GE VR. Joey McDonald _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Sat Nov 15 11:32:23 2008 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Sat Nov 15 11:33:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion References: <001f01c9474f$b3dd40e0$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: <7944182DCE1947BFB993D213B01B7C4C@JUKEBUS> Everything Nigel says is true, but you should also know that the frequency response of Ceramic and Magnetic cartridges is different. The AMI amplifier has built in "equalisation" for a magnetic cartridge, if you change to a ceramic version you will have to remove this equalisation as well as deal with the higher output voltage. I would not do this. Although I don't have any experience of the GE VR cartridge, I have found the GE VR II cartridge fitted to the H and I models to be an excellent cartridge. If a stereo compatible needle is fitted these can sound really good on a whole range of records, from mono 50's and 60's right up to present day stereo. Remember, the GE VR series was "audiophile" quality in it's day! Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joey McDonald" To: Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:26 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion I have an AMI F and G that I would like to use a more Stereo compliant cartridge on. The current cartridge is a GE VR with a new needle. It is a mono 1 mil needle. There has been some talk lately about ceramic cartridge conversions and modifications. I found a cartridge made by Denon. Its a model DL-102 . Can some one tell me if this would work? It looks like it fit without modification. http://www.needledoctor.com/Denon-DL-102-High-Output-Moving-Coil-Mono-Cartridge I am also not clear on the differences between magnetic cartridges and ceramic cartridges. Am I correct in saying that magnetic cartridges have a higher output? Would I be correct in saying that the GE VR cartridge and this Denon one are both magnetic cartridges? There is some specs in this link but I don't know if it is a close match to the GE VR so they would be directly interchangeable. Here is another link with alot of technical talk and graphs. Still looks to me like it would be a good substitute for the original GE VR without modifications. http://www3.sympatico.ca/murraya/DenonMonoPage.htm It doesn't come cheap, that's for sure. $249 It would sure be nice if someone made a .7mil needle for the GE VR. Joey McDonald _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1790 - Release Date: 15/11/2008 09:32 From jay at west.net Sat Nov 15 11:41:33 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Nov 15 11:42:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <002301c94754$99a23820$cce6a860$@force9.co.uk> References: <001f01c9474f$b3dd40e0$939f4f18@compaq> <002301c94754$99a23820$cce6a860$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <491F25ED.1080201@west.net> Nigel Pugh wrote: > Hi, > > Magnetic cartridges are lower output than ceramic. They are in the order of > 1 to 10 mv roughly, as opposed to ceramics which usually go from 240mv to a > volt. > > That Denon cartridge will fit and work, and look period. However it is > seriously expensive, and at 3mv output, I would like to listen to it in the > machine before I decided. Agreed, and max tracking on the Denon is 4 grams, could be a little light for a jukebox. One trick I use when replacing a monaural cartridge with stereo where a boost in output is needed is to wire the two channels in series. This works really well in the old RCA 45-RPM changers that originally had crystal cartridges. The ceramic replacements are lower output, and series wiring works well. > General good replacements for this machine are the Shure M44MR. M44C, > Stanton 500 (Radio Shack 500), Pickering NP/AC. > All of those will give you a truly fantastic sound if the machine is > correctly set up, and amplifier rebuilt. Yep. The Stanton is readily available, built for DJs so can handle abuse well. > I would not go down the ceramic route, the quality control is not so good, > and the sound nowhere near as good. Agreed 100% -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From joe400f at shaw.ca Sat Nov 15 12:20:12 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sat Nov 15 12:21:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion References: <001f01c9474f$b3dd40e0$939f4f18@compaq> <002301c94754$99a23820$cce6a860$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <002401c9475f$90754700$939f4f18@compaq> I looked up the cartridges that were recommended and found that the Shure M44-7 is the current model. It is marketed as ultra-high output and ultra-high antiskip. http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/DJPhonoCartridgesAndNeedles/index.htm This looks like it would have to be modified to fit. Maybe shaving off the side protrusions to a level that the cartridge top would touch the tone arm? The mounting screws woule have to be modified as well possibly? The Denon has some similiar specs like tracking force and needle size. http://www3.sympatico.ca/murraya/DL102inst.htm http://store.digitalriver.com/store/dmhold/en_US/DisplayProductDetailsPage/productID.63439100 I don't understand the specs much. When comparing both, it looks like they are rated differently as far as output. It seems that OUTPUT MV is tested at different levels. This does not give a good comparison at all. This would make it hard to tell actual output differences because they are not tested the same way. I found an audiophile's home page comparing the Denon DL-102 to the original GE VR. If you look at this link ans scroll down about half way there is side by side picture and a comparison. http://members.myactv.net/~je205d/mono.htm Joey McDonald From aaron at vertasource.com Sat Nov 15 14:42:42 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Sat Nov 15 14:39:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion Message-ID: <200811151742701.SM02456@[192.168.1.206]> I don't know Joey. I've said it a hundred times about what a purist I am when it comes to those Fs and Gs. All I can say is that my G is upstairs in the family room right now BLASTING the Spinner's "Could It Be I'm Falling In Love" and it sounds fantastic. Stereo record. Is it right to play it with a VRII? Probably not. But am I going to sacrifice "looks" for 1970's disco quality or near CD quality sound out of a high fidelity jukebox? No. Aaron From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Nov 15 19:42:38 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Nov 15 19:45:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 488 amplifier problem number 52280 Message-ID: <20081115.224238.9454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> It sounds as if you may have disconnected a ground circuit in a stage of the amplifier. The amp is now oscillating because of that. The tech term to describe the noise you're hearing is "motorboating". Does the noise go away if you turn the volume control all the way down? That'll usually tell you that the grounding problem is in the early stages of your amp or possibly in the input connections. If the motorboating stays constant, regardless of volume setting, the wiring error is in the amp's power supply (where the filter caps are that you described) or in one of the amp's later stages. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Want more out of life? Click here to find a massage therapy school and begin an exciting career. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8RbUkmmrR7FC7mbcxlstmIQraWnEN4O64MMSF2Dz3o3OqwG/ From 19k20 at comcast.net Sat Nov 15 22:04:20 2008 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sat Nov 15 22:05:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulitzer 2701 In-Reply-To: <20081115.021852.4236.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081115.021852.4236.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001201c947b1$2b606190$822124b0$@net> Went ahead and picked up the 2710. Get it even cheaper. I have checked continuity of all fuses...good. I tested voltage to the turntable motor. Don't remember at this late hour what it was, but there was power there. I tried popping a pin to see if it would scan and load the record....no luck..dead. If those resisters on the selection mech were burned open, could this keep the mech from operating? I found the 'hidden' free play switch, and nothing happened when I used it. My gut is telling me that the issue probably lies in the selector switch. But manually popping a pin should start the mech scanning and playing. Any other thoughts? Also noticed there is a short somewhere because when I run my finger along the outside of the dome, on the chrome, firmly with my finger, I can reproduce a hum from the speakers. Should there be a common ground somewhere on this box? I am going to order a service manual next week, maybe it will show me the way. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:19 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wulitzer 2701 For your 2710,A few quick things to check: There should be a free play switch on the inside of the keyboard. I believe it's a slide switch on this model. Did you check the fuse mounted on the playrack chassis? If bad, this will cause the symptom you are describing. If the first owner kept it on free play mode with the select light on all the time, the 2 high wattage brown colored resistors (on the keyboard chassis) may have burned open. This is a frequent problem. Try manually releasing a record selector pin (from the back) with your finger and see if the record changer responds and runs. This way you'll be able to tell if the changer and sound system are working. This tests the majority of the machine's circuits. If yes, you will have to troubleshoot and repair the credit unit or it's loss of power. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Graphic Design? Find a school near you. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdIcD6KP8bt7IZRMI0g46rC 8uIz5CPsERmZ7qhS5YhaMHoi/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Nov 16 02:19:05 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Nov 16 02:20:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <002401c9475f$90754700$939f4f18@compaq> References: <001f01c9474f$b3dd40e0$939f4f18@compaq> <002301c94754$99a23820$cce6a860$@force9.co.uk> <002401c9475f$90754700$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: <000601c947d4$c1800040$448000c0$@force9.co.uk> Yep, the M44-7 needs a bit of shaving off / milling of the screw flanges in order to sit right up in the top of the arm. On the Stanton 500 series you can't do this due to the way the 1/2" mounting plates are welded to the cartridge. However, its not a deep cartridge, and with adjustment of the arm height and drop positions it works perfectly. However..... If you can get hold of the Rock-Ola variant of the M44, I think it is called the M44MR, it already has the flanges milled out, and fits absolutely 100% perfect. I have one in my own Continental for over 20 years and its excellent. Also because it sits up in the top of the arm its almost invisible when playing a record. I have seen lots of F G H I J and Continentals fitted with ceramic cartridges (not so much restored machines, but from when they were originally on site) - so I suspect the 'cost conscious' operator swapped the GE out for cheap and nasty ceramic ones - some even had resistors wired in the arm cable to lower the output. I personally think the Denon, although nice looking and probably good quality, is overkill. Also - how much are replacement styli ? At least with the Shures / Stantons they are easily available and not expensive. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Joey McDonald Sent: 15 November 2008 20:20 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion I looked up the cartridges that were recommended and found that the Shure M44-7 is the current model. It is marketed as ultra-high output and ultra-high antiskip. http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/DJPhonoCartridgesAndNeedles/index.htm This looks like it would have to be modified to fit. Maybe shaving off the side protrusions to a level that the cartridge top would touch the tone arm? The mounting screws woule have to be modified as well possibly? The Denon has some similiar specs like tracking force and needle size. http://www3.sympatico.ca/murraya/DL102inst.htm http://store.digitalriver.com/store/dmhold/en_US/DisplayProductDetailsPage/p roductID.63439100 I don't understand the specs much. When comparing both, it looks like they are rated differently as far as output. It seems that OUTPUT MV is tested at different levels. This does not give a good comparison at all. This would make it hard to tell actual output differences because they are not tested the same way. I found an audiophile's home page comparing the Denon DL-102 to the original GE VR. If you look at this link ans scroll down about half way there is side by side picture and a comparison. http://members.myactv.net/~je205d/mono.htm Joey McDonald _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From seancalla at eircom.net Sun Nov 16 03:02:35 2008 From: seancalla at eircom.net (Sean Callaghan) Date: Sun Nov 16 03:03:47 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 488 amplifier problem number 52280 In-Reply-To: <20081115.224238.9454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <20081116110345.8682DAA967@lists.netlojix.com> Thanks for that, I'll check that out and let you know, Thanks Sean Callaghan -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 16 November 2008 03:43 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 488 amplifier problem number 52280 It sounds as if you may have disconnected a ground circuit in a stage of the amplifier. The amp is now oscillating because of that. The tech term to describe the noise you're hearing is "motorboating". Does the noise go away if you turn the volume control all the way down? That'll usually tell you that the grounding problem is in the early stages of your amp or possibly in the input connections. If the motorboating stays constant, regardless of volume setting, the wiring error is in the amp's power supply (where the filter caps are that you described) or in one of the amp's later stages. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Want more out of life? 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Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 268.2.3 - Release Date: 14/03/2006 From berrycbell at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 06:02:46 2008 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Sun Nov 16 06:03:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <000601c947d4$c1800040$448000c0$@force9.co.uk> References: <001f01c9474f$b3dd40e0$939f4f18@compaq> <002301c94754$99a23820$cce6a860$@force9.co.uk> <002401c9475f$90754700$939f4f18@compaq> <000601c947d4$c1800040$448000c0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: Hello, I will have to concur with Aaron in an earlier post regarding the GE VRII cartridge. I can't speak for the AMI G, but can weigh in on the AMI H & I models. The GE VRII cartridge is an outstanding quality cartridge, my AMI H 200 and AMI I 120 both have this cartridge and they sound wonderful! My AMI I 200 is using the Stanton cartridge and it does change the quality from the VRII. There is probably a little more bottom end, but I don't get the output (volume) that I get from the VRII. Don't get me wrong, the Stanton sounds really good, it's a different sound produced from the VRII. I'm a purist, and AMI had some of the finest audio engineers in the business during that run of mid to late 50's machines. If they thought the GE VRII was the best cartridge for their machine at that time, who am I to argue. More importantly, rebuild your amp, lay down some vinyl and you be the judge. You won't be disappointed. Berry Bell Elgin, IL On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 4:19 AM, Nigel Pugh wrote: > Yep, the M44-7 needs a bit of shaving off / milling of the screw flanges > in > order to sit right up in the top of the arm. > On the Stanton 500 series you can't do this due to the way the 1/2" > mounting > plates are welded to the cartridge. However, its not a deep cartridge, and > with adjustment of the arm height and drop positions it works perfectly. > > However..... If you can get hold of the Rock-Ola variant of the M44, I > think > it is called the M44MR, it already has the flanges milled out, and fits > absolutely 100% perfect. I have one in my own Continental for over 20 years > and its excellent. Also because it sits up in the top of the arm its almost > invisible when playing a record. > > I have seen lots of F G H I J and Continentals fitted with ceramic > cartridges (not so much restored machines, but from when they were > originally on site) - so I suspect the 'cost conscious' operator swapped > the > GE out for cheap and nasty ceramic ones - some even had resistors wired in > the arm cable to lower the output. > > I personally think the Denon, although nice looking and probably good > quality, is overkill. Also - how much are replacement styli ? At least with > the Shures / Stantons they are easily available and not expensive. > > Nigel, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Joey > McDonald > Sent: 15 November 2008 20:20 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion > > I looked up the cartridges that were recommended and found that the > Shure M44-7 is the current model. It is marketed as ultra-high output and > ultra-high antiskip. > > > http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/DJPhonoCartridgesAndNeedles/index.htm > > This looks like it would have to be modified to fit. Maybe shaving off the > side protrusions to a level that the cartridge top would touch the tone > arm? > > The mounting screws woule have to be modified as well possibly? > > The Denon has some similiar specs like tracking force and needle size. > http://www3.sympatico.ca/murraya/DL102inst.htm > > > http://store.digitalriver.com/store/dmhold/en_US/DisplayProductDetailsPage/p > roductID.63439100 > > I don't understand the specs much. When comparing both, it looks like > they are rated differently as far as output. It seems that OUTPUT MV is > tested at different levels. This does not give a good comparison at all. > This would make it hard to tell actual output differences because they are > not tested the same way. > > I found an audiophile's home page comparing the Denon DL-102 to the > original > > GE VR. If you look at this link ans scroll down about half way there is > side > > by side picture and a comparison. > > http://members.myactv.net/~je205d/mono.htm > > > Joey McDonald > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From joe400f at shaw.ca Sun Nov 16 08:30:40 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sun Nov 16 08:32:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion References: <001f01c9474f$b3dd40e0$939f4f18@compaq> <002301c94754$99a23820$cce6a860$@force9.co.uk> <002401c9475f$90754700$939f4f18@compaq> <000601c947d4$c1800040$448000c0$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <005001c94808$aa05b9d0$939f4f18@compaq> Thanks for the tips everyone. I did a look for a Shure M44MR and found a few for sale from a UK jukebox dealer for 88 euro. That converts to alot of money. It also has a Rockola symbol on it. That model was probably made specific for Rockola. There is plenty of the M44-7 available. I am going to get one and modify to fit. I will keep you all posted on the results. Joey McDonald From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 09:07:51 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Nov 16 09:08:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <205723.11202.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Berry Bell wrote: > I'm a purist, and AMI had some of the finest audio > engineers in the business > during that run of mid to late 50's machines. If they > thought the GE VRII > was the best cartridge for their machine at that time, who > am I to argue. Of course, those engineers could not forsee the advent of stereo records. And those records require compliance in the vertical as well as horizontal plane. The VR-II is an excellent monaural cartridge. My Dad had a kick-butt Hi-Fi with a Webster Chicago changer, Bogen db-25 amp and home made coaxial corner horn speaker, and two VR series pickups in plug-in head shells. (Pretty high tech for the mid 1950s.) But he was forever chasing down the increasingly hard to find monaural releases of LP albums because a monaural cartridge, even the best, does not have the vertical compliance necessary to track a stereo groove without damaging it. You cannot hear most of the damage done to a stereo record by a monaural cartridge unless you play that record with a stereo cartridge. This is because the very damage that the monaural cartridge causes (damaging the out of phase audio component) is caused in the plane of modulation that the cartridge cannot pick up. But the damage is being done. Now, you may not care. That's fine. If your records are a "sacrificial" component in the audio chain, like steel needles were in the pre-WWII era, that's a decision you can make. I have a Sure 44 equivalent pickup in my G-200 (I don't know which one - it was produced in the 1970s) and the sound quality is excellent. That, to me, raises the question: Why damage the records if you don't need to? From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Nov 16 09:28:48 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Nov 16 09:31:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wulitzer 2701 Message-ID: <20081116.122848.23760.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Ssg Myers: You are going to have a few repair issues to work on. Most likely you have a failed 28V DC power supply (located on the amp chassis). This is the one single thing that can cause all of the failure symptoms that you're describing. On the plus side, it might be all that is wrong. On the negative side, once you get all the power up, you may find that there's a number of other problems that will need fixing. A quick factoid: The 2710 juke should have a # 544 tube-type amplifier in it. You can directly substitute the working #545 amplifier from your 3000 model juke into this one----At least that might get some of the control systems running...... Jim Alexander. ____________________________________________________________ Domain Registration - Click Here http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9Smz4LArDnPD3ADNEljmY8cgYhnShnEzGnGYlTM1Kx7K0vc/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Nov 16 10:15:06 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Nov 16 10:18:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion Message-ID: <20081116.131506.7265.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Nigel is correct in his asessment, but I'd like to add a few points. A ceramic-element cartridge will work best into a very high input impedance, and then equalized. Putting a resistor circuit on the output of a ceramic cartridge serves a dual purpose--- it pads down the too-high output of the cartridge to work into the mag. phono pre input, plus it allows the cartridge to "see" the higher input impedance. In the US, a mag phono input has a standardized input impedance of 47K ohms. The ceramic cartridge, if set up this way, is then being run through the equalization circuits intended for the mag. cartridge, which will contribute to the off-kilter sound quality. There were some high-end (at reasonable cost) ceramic element cartridges that were capable of high-quality audio performance, but most have disappeared from the scene. The Sonotone, Euphonics, and high-end Astatic brands come to mind. When record players were in vogue,the electronics industry offered a wide gamut of ceramic cartridges,with most of them targeted for use with lower cost portable phonos. There were more low-cost, inferior-quality ceramics than there were good ones. Stanton has introduced their mag.cartridge model 400V3, which replaces both the Stanton 500 and the Pickering NP/AC models. The companies have merged. Factory stylii for the 500 and NP/AC models will continue to be available. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Improve your health with the latest fitness products and tips. Click now for free info. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9V28qOWgcUeB6B29F1A4ABkVRnPjYlCU2VrEEqRjQmPEKP0/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Nov 16 10:20:35 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Nov 16 10:21:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <205723.11202.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <205723.11202.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301c94818$0533ddf0$0f9b99d0$@force9.co.uk> I agree here. I have tested 100s of cartridges out over the years, on jukeboxes. The Shure M44 gets my vote for these Amis without question. If you bolt in a Stanton and try it, then do the same with a Shure, the Shure has more clarity, more volume, and more bass. The Stanton is very good, the Shure is Excellent, and record wear is really minimal. So long as the end of record trip switch is not stiff, they will track perfectly. Just join the L+R signal together, and the two grounds, and take only 2 wires back down the arm. Or parallel them together. Just experiment and see what sounds best, as I've had some surprisingly unexpected results experimenting with cartridges. The N77 off the Early Rowes (red and black cartridge) is also excellent, and will fit that arm without modification. Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: 16 November 2008 17:08 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Berry Bell wrote: > I'm a purist, and AMI had some of the finest audio > engineers in the business > during that run of mid to late 50's machines. If they > thought the GE VRII > was the best cartridge for their machine at that time, who > am I to argue. Of course, those engineers could not forsee the advent of stereo records. And those records require compliance in the vertical as well as horizontal plane. The VR-II is an excellent monaural cartridge. My Dad had a kick-butt Hi-Fi with a Webster Chicago changer, Bogen db-25 amp and home made coaxial corner horn speaker, and two VR series pickups in plug-in head shells. (Pretty high tech for the mid 1950s.) But he was forever chasing down the increasingly hard to find monaural releases of LP albums because a monaural cartridge, even the best, does not have the vertical compliance necessary to track a stereo groove without damaging it. You cannot hear most of the damage done to a stereo record by a monaural cartridge unless you play that record with a stereo cartridge. This is because the very damage that the monaural cartridge causes (damaging the out of phase audio component) is caused in the plane of modulation that the cartridge cannot pick up. But the damage is being done. Now, you may not care. That's fine. If your records are a "sacrificial" component in the audio chain, like steel needles were in the pre-WWII era, that's a decision you can make. I have a Sure 44 equivalent pickup in my G-200 (I don't know which one - it was produced in the 1970s) and the sound quality is excellent. That, to me, raises the question: Why damage the records if you don't need to? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Nov 16 10:26:12 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Nov 16 10:28:47 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion Message-ID: <20081116.132612.7265.1@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Rock Ola was buying a slightly modified version of the Shure M44-C cartridge (.7 mil conical stylus) as original equipment. Rock-Ola equipped many of their jukes from the 70's and 80's with this model. Rowe also bought this cartridge for awhile. I believe the difference was the shape of the cartridge body. Electrically, all the variations of the M44 are the same. Shure offered a variation of the M44 with a lighter-tracking elliptical-tip stylus for use with component turntables. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Reach your goals of being healthier and happier. Click here for diet tips and solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx995QQet6S2wscpbesT3fU89yLvLM60Go11O0UZDlXIn9WSS/ From ccos at knology.net Sun Nov 16 12:08:48 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Sun Nov 16 12:10:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 431 Micro Switches Message-ID: <487D0F92204B44119DA7E86EC97ACF24@CCOSPC> Hi All, Can anyone suggest a source for the three microswitches (R O Part # 33706) located behind and under the tonearm? The book says they are all three the same switch but the ones on the juke I am currently repairing are so out of spec and eratic and have different numbers on them, that I thought they were not the same switch til I consulted the parts manual. I'm hoping someone still sells these new, but if not, I can check the usual suspects' used parts sources. TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 From aaron at vertasource.com Sun Nov 16 14:42:26 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Sun Nov 16 14:39:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion Message-ID: <200811161742844.SM04832@[192.168.1.206]> Huh! I just found TWO M44s in my shop! I must have bought them years ago for a conversion... or they came with some turntables I bought years ago and an antique radio flea market. Oh! That's it! I bought a ton of stuff from a guy who was selling some old DJ and stereo equipment. These carts were part of a box this guy was selling. I got a bunch of Audio Technicas, Stantons, GEs, Shure, and who knows what else. See....now I'm curious. Even though I'm a purist, I'm really curious as to how this thing is going to sound though my rebuilt amp in the G-120. Aaron From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 16:21:24 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Nov 16 16:22:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <200811161742844.SM04832@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <739156.25510.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: > Oh! That's it! I bought a ton of stuff from a > guy who was selling some old DJ and stereo equipment. These > carts were part of a box this guy was selling. The 44 is a very popular cartridge in the club scene because they're so durable, and can take a higher tracking force that helps when the floor is a little unstable from dancing. They also support back-cueing, uh, scratching... From berrycbell at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 16:26:31 2008 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Sun Nov 16 16:27:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <739156.25510.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200811161742844.SM04832@192.168.1.206> <739156.25510.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It's called cue burn. On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:21 PM, David Breneman wrote: > --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: > > > Oh! That's it! I bought a ton of stuff from a > > guy who was selling some old DJ and stereo equipment. These > > carts were part of a box this guy was selling. > > The 44 is a very popular cartridge in the club scene because > they're so durable, and can take a higher tracking force that > helps when the floor is a little unstable from dancing. They > also support back-cueing, uh, scratching... > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 18:09:30 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Nov 16 18:10:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <503581.91652.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Berry Bell wrote: > It's called cue burn. Cue burn is the effect of successive back-cues on a record, not the process of back-cueing itself. Back in the days when radio stations played records straight to air, the DJ would bring the turntable up on the cue channel and turn the turntable manually until he hit the start of the music. Then he'd back it up about 1/4 - 1/2 turn (however long it took that turntable to get up to speed) so he could punch in the song and know when it was going to start. After running the stylus through the first half-turn or so of the groove hundreds of times, the groove became "cue burned" from the extra stress of running the stylus backwards through it. It's one thing to design a stylus cantilever that can run backwards without breaking off; it's another thing to make that process not damage the record more than forward play would. Polystyrene records (Columbia/CBS was a big proponent of those) were more brittle and more prone to cue burn than the softer vinyl records. By the 70s many stations just put their hit records onto Fidelipak style cartridges and cut down their direct-to-air turntable use dramatically. From dmcken at accesscomm.ca Sun Nov 16 18:05:18 2008 From: dmcken at accesscomm.ca (D & D McKen) Date: Sun Nov 16 18:17:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] kitty's jukebox Message-ID: <4920D15E.1090506@accesscomm.ca> Hey guys Here is something for the jukebox owner that loves his/her cat: http://everythingemporium.com/index.php/catalogsearch/result/?q=jukebox Doug From berrycbell at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 19:10:19 2008 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Sun Nov 16 19:11:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <503581.91652.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <503581.91652.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You are correct. Some records could endure back cueing better than others. Mostly you would be able to identify them by the manufacturers label. Columbia was terrible for cue burn as were many others. RCA, Atlantic, and a few others hardly ever developed cue burn. I was a disc jockey for 10 years back in the day when our Gates turntables would often take a full 1/2 to 3/4 back turn to get to speed. One had to get very good at timing to make sure "dead air" was prevented. On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:09 PM, David Breneman wrote: > --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Berry Bell wrote: > > > It's called cue burn. > > Cue burn is the effect of successive back-cues on a record, not > the process of back-cueing itself. Back in the days when radio > stations played records straight to air, the DJ would bring the > turntable up on the cue channel and turn the turntable manually > until he hit the start of the music. Then he'd back it up > about 1/4 - 1/2 turn (however long it took that turntable to > get up to speed) so he could punch in the song and know when > it was going to start. After running the stylus through the > first half-turn or so of the groove hundreds of times, the > groove became "cue burned" from the extra stress of running > the stylus backwards through it. It's one thing to design > a stylus cantilever that can run backwards without breaking off; > it's another thing to make that process not damage the record > more than forward play would. Polystyrene records (Columbia/CBS > was a big proponent of those) were more brittle and more prone > to cue burn than the softer vinyl records. By the 70s many > stations just put their hit records onto Fidelipak style > cartridges and cut down their direct-to-air turntable use > dramatically. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jeffzurn at cox.net Sun Nov 16 19:57:39 2008 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Sun Nov 16 19:58:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] kitty's jukebox In-Reply-To: <4920D15E.1090506@accesscomm.ca> References: <4920D15E.1090506@accesscomm.ca> Message-ID: <2F5268E6712C467FABEA1284DE1E3650@JeffsR61i> WHAT!!?? "But that's only half of it. Your cat chooses the songs! That's right. Built-in sensors scan the hidden, interior, kitty litter room to determine both number of cat scratches to the litter and number of excrement. The number of cat scratches mark what album number to play and the excrement count chooses the track number. Veterinarians and cat psychologists alike say the felines choose the songs subconsciously by changing diet, altering bowel movement, and varying scratch patterns." I cry 'FOUL'! Jeff Zurn ----- Original Message ----- From: "D & D McKen" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: 11/16/2008 7:05 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] kitty's jukebox > Hey guys > Here is something for the jukebox owner that loves his/her cat: > > http://everythingemporium.com/index.php/catalogsearch/result/?q=jukebox > > > Doug > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Nov 16 23:22:44 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Nov 16 23:27:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion Message-ID: <20081117.022244.11966.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: An older technician remembers a few more facts about old phono cartridges and records.... The GE VR II series of cartridges were one of a few that used variable-reluctance technology. The stylus moved between two poles of a magnet. It has a very high output compared to most other magnetic cartridge types. A competitor, the Pickering Company, made a variable reluctance cartridge as well. They made a double-headed version of that cartridge for Seeburg, which was called the Seeburg redhead. The VR II was popular with hi-fi fans as it was one of few professional cartridges that offered a dual flip-type needle, allowing for a 78 and LP/45 stylus choice. The only other cartridges that offered this feature were the ceramic models. In the 50's-60's,music collectors were likely to have records of all 3 speeds. GE, for a short time, did make a stereo version of their VR cartridge. It was called a VR-227. I believe it was used by one of the juke manufacturers in an early stereo model. (not sure which one) By 1964 GE ceased production of all phono cartridges. They began buying pickups from others, for use in GE-built phonos and console units. It's my understanding that LP's (a Columbia invention) and 45 RPM records (an RCA invention) were introduced in 1950. Most record companies continued to offer their hit singles in both 10" 78 and 7" 45 format,phasing out the 78's totally by 1960. The 78's produced in the late 50's were made of the "new",low-noise vinyl , were non-breakable and had sound quality comparable to their micro groove counterparts. Prior to the 50's, 78's were made of shellac, which could chip and crack easily. Before the 50's, an "album" consisted of a hard-cover book sleeve, which held 4 or 5 78 RPM discs. (8 or 10 tracks by one artist) This was the first format to be displaced by the new 10" or 12" vinyl 33 1/3 RPM LP's. For a brief time in the 50's there were some albums issued in a 45 RPM format, that consisted of a book containing 2 or 3 7" 45 EP records (2 songs per side). Possibly, these were marketed for owners of the 45-only record players that were popular in the early 50's. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Start providing for your family by becoming a paralegal. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9xdFA5NuXQNyWbTzU8AHDFQY02vcXJKt0wSV2kD5jBfWte2/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Nov 16 23:45:04 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Nov 16 23:47:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 431 Micro Switches Message-ID: <20081117.024504.11966.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Hi Karl: Microswitch is now a division of Honeywell and is still in business, distributed through industrial electronics parts houses. In Georgia, Allied Electronics carries the line in depth. Go to www.alliedelec.com or phone them at 866 433 5722. Their online catalog has 10 pages of microswitch products. A bit of caution though, before buying look at the sizes/specs of switch bodies and mounting bolt patterns before buying. Most of the current generation microswitches are smaller than the older versions. You may decide to locate the original-issue device. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________________ Get Freebies & Coupons -- Free of Hassle at FreeInternet.com! Visit http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1221/?u=http://www.freeinternet.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 06:31:02 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 17 06:32:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] kitty's jukebox In-Reply-To: <4920D15E.1090506@accesscomm.ca> Message-ID: <658224.93460.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Doug, I could not get any description--came up "Done-but with errors on page". Was there any explaination ? Is it a home modified machinne, or factory modified?? Does it function ? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 11/16/08, D & D McKen wrote: From: D & D McKen Subject: [Jukebox-list] kitty's jukebox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 6:05 PM Hey guys Here is something for the jukebox owner that loves his/her cat: http://everythingemporium.com/index.php/catalogsearch/result/?q=jukebox Doug _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 06:57:07 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 17 06:58:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 431 Micro Switches In-Reply-To: <20081117.024504.11966.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <559236.5659.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Guy's, The last time I needed a "Microswitch", I called them, with the number on the switch (Make sure it IS a Micro (brand) switch, first). I found them to be extremely help full in obtaining several directly--in fact, they made a "special order" up for me? !--I think they had parts to make up 17 of them, so they did it. Any more would have involved re-tooling, at a high cost. Sorry, I can not find my note for?their phone number now--- That was at least 10 years ago--maybe more, and they were a "Honeywell subsid." then--Ron Rich --- On Sun, 11/16/08, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 431 Micro Switches To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 11:45 PM Hi Karl: Microswitch is now a division of Honeywell and is still in business, distributed through industrial electronics parts houses. In Georgia, Allied Electronics carries the line in depth. Go to www.alliedelec.com or phone them at 866 433 5722. Their online catalog has 10 pages of microswitch products. A bit of caution though, before buying look at the sizes/specs of switch bodies and mounting bolt patterns before buying. Most of the current generation microswitches are smaller than the older versions. You may decide to locate the original-issue device. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________________ Get Freebies & Coupons -- Free of Hassle at FreeInternet.com! Visit http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1221/?u=http://www.freeinternet.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Mon Nov 17 07:27:59 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Nov 17 07:29:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 431 Micro Switches References: <559236.5659.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <62D63B277A0E4C6EA3D8913D1D4E9A9A@home31b34d4856> Thanks Jim and Ron, I have a direction to head in now, and that's all I needed. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 431 Micro Switches Guy's, The last time I needed a "Microswitch", I called them, with the number on the switch (Make sure it IS a Micro (brand) switch, first). I found them to be extremely help full in obtaining several directly--in fact, they made a "special order" up for me !--I think they had parts to make up 17 of them, so they did it. Any more would have involved re-tooling, at a high cost. Sorry, I can not find my note for their phone number now--- That was at least 10 years ago--maybe more, and they were a "Honeywell subsid." then--Ron Rich --- On Sun, 11/16/08, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 431 Micro Switches To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 11:45 PM Hi Karl: Microswitch is now a division of Honeywell and is still in business, distributed through industrial electronics parts houses. In Georgia, Allied Electronics carries the line in depth. Go to www.alliedelec.com or phone them at 866 433 5722. Their online catalog has 10 pages of microswitch products. A bit of caution though, before buying look at the sizes/specs of switch bodies and mounting bolt patterns before buying. Most of the current generation microswitches are smaller than the older versions. You may decide to locate the original-issue device. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________________ Get Freebies & Coupons -- Free of Hassle at FreeInternet.com! Visit http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1221/?u=http://www.freeinternet.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From artnchar at juno.com Mon Nov 17 09:16:19 2008 From: artnchar at juno.com (Arthur A Beniek) Date: Mon Nov 17 09:25:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 3400 Wurlitzer Message-ID: <20081117.111619.5572.3.Artnchar@juno.com> The buttons work when selecting a tone and the pins pop up but the carousel does not turn. It will keep playing the same record. It does everything but change the record. The carousel will rotate when in the scan mode. What do I have to do to get the carousel to rotate to selected record? Art ____________________________________________________________ Find success and happiness with drug and alcohol rehabilitation. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2ZDr8H1kx9MwsJ8ZYrRuSYtEpEjdGDAEgFWLXJ3gj2vKQXc/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 10:13:52 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 17 10:15:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 3400 Wurlitzer In-Reply-To: <20081117.111619.5572.3.Artnchar@juno.com> Message-ID: <846283.339.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Art, If you have electro/mechanical skills, I suggest that the place to start would be the Service Manual "trouble shooting" section, as that problem can be caused by MANY things. (If you don't feel you have those skills, don't attempt "adjusting anything"--call some one that knows that unit !) If you don't have that manual, they are available at www.alwaysjukin.com , and other sources. There are too many pages, pertaining to that problem,?to retype (besides which there are photo's). Ron Rich --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Arthur A Beniek wrote: From: Arthur A Beniek Subject: [Jukebox-list] 3400 Wurlitzer To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 9:16 AM The buttons work when selecting a tone and the pins pop up but the carousel does not turn. It will keep playing the same record. It does everything but change the record. The carousel will rotate when in the scan mode. What do I have to do to get the carousel to rotate to selected record? Art ____________________________________________________________ Find success and happiness with drug and alcohol rehabilitation. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2ZDr8H1kx9MwsJ8ZYrRuSYtEpEjdGDAEgFWLXJ3gj2vKQXc/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Mon Nov 17 10:13:28 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Nov 17 10:15:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 3400 Wurlitzer In-Reply-To: <20081117.111619.5572.3.Artnchar@juno.com> References: <20081117.111619.5572.3.Artnchar@juno.com> Message-ID: <4921B448.9040507@telus.net> Arthur A Beniek wrote: > The buttons work when selecting a tone and the pins pop up but the > carousel does not turn. It will keep playing the same record. It does > everything but change the record. The carousel will rotate when in the > scan mode. What do I have to do to get the carousel to rotate to selected > record? > Art > ____________________________________________________________ > Hi Art, Open your 3400 service manual and look for the "Pin Cancel Switch" I strongly suspect this switch is not working correctly. It is mounted on the main gear box. A way to see if the switch is working correctly is to remove the back door and watch the scan arm assembly when the record is placed on the turntable. You should see a light come on and a solenoid pin push down the selected pin - and the light should be on for almost one second. If the light does not come on or it just flickers then the switch is the first suspect. You MUST follow the service manual installation instructions and if you do not have the manual we (and others) have copies for sale... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Mon Nov 17 10:28:41 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Mon Nov 17 10:29:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: References: <503581.91652.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c948e2$50ed2f60$f2c78e20$@force9.co.uk> Ive got 2 Gates CB77 turntables at home from the UK's biggest radio station Radio 1. (came out of use in 1982). Nice to hear you mention them Barry. They are built like tanks. I have the viscous damped tone arms (Gray Research) - another mysterious technology all on their own :-) All of the decks used by the BBC had the Shure SC35C cartridge - another durable and robust one. Rgds Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Berry Bell Sent: 17 November 2008 03:10 To: david_breneman@yahoo.com; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion You are correct. Some records could endure back cueing better than others. Mostly you would be able to identify them by the manufacturers label. Columbia was terrible for cue burn as were many others. RCA, Atlantic, and a few others hardly ever developed cue burn. I was a disc jockey for 10 years back in the day when our Gates turntables would often take a full 1/2 to 3/4 back turn to get to speed. One had to get very good at timing to make sure "dead air" was prevented. On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:09 PM, David Breneman wrote: > --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Berry Bell wrote: > > > It's called cue burn. > > Cue burn is the effect of successive back-cues on a record, not > the process of back-cueing itself. Back in the days when radio > stations played records straight to air, the DJ would bring the > turntable up on the cue channel and turn the turntable manually > until he hit the start of the music. Then he'd back it up > about 1/4 - 1/2 turn (however long it took that turntable to > get up to speed) so he could punch in the song and know when > it was going to start. After running the stylus through the > first half-turn or so of the groove hundreds of times, the > groove became "cue burned" from the extra stress of running > the stylus backwards through it. It's one thing to design > a stylus cantilever that can run backwards without breaking off; > it's another thing to make that process not damage the record > more than forward play would. Polystyrene records (Columbia/CBS > was a big proponent of those) were more brittle and more prone > to cue burn than the softer vinyl records. By the 70s many > stations just put their hit records onto Fidelipak style > cartridges and cut down their direct-to-air turntable use > dramatically. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From berrycbell at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 10:41:19 2008 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Mon Nov 17 10:42:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <000001c948e2$50ed2f60$f2c78e20$@force9.co.uk> References: <503581.91652.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000001c948e2$50ed2f60$f2c78e20$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: Nigel, I don't remember the model number, but yes, they were built like tanks. The green felt platter surface was huge and offered 3 speeds. (33, 45 and 78). This was an AM radio station that I got my start at in 1972. Those were great times for music and it's what started my interest in music, jukeboxes, and the like. Take care, Berry On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Nigel Pugh wrote: > Ive got 2 Gates CB77 turntables at home from the UK's biggest radio station > Radio 1. (came out of use in 1982). > Nice to hear you mention them Barry. They are built like tanks. I have the > viscous damped tone arms (Gray Research) - another mysterious technology > all > on their own :-) > > All of the decks used by the BBC had the Shure SC35C cartridge - another > durable and robust one. > > Rgds > > Nigel, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Berry Bell > Sent: 17 November 2008 03:10 > To: david_breneman@yahoo.com; Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion > > You are correct. Some records could endure back cueing better than others. > Mostly you would be able to identify them by the manufacturers label. > Columbia was terrible for cue burn as were many others. RCA, Atlantic, and > a few others hardly ever developed cue burn. I was a disc jockey for 10 > years back in the day when our Gates turntables would often take a full 1/2 > to 3/4 back turn to get to speed. One had to get very good at timing to > make sure "dead air" was prevented. > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:09 PM, David Breneman > wrote: > > > --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Berry Bell wrote: > > > > > It's called cue burn. > > > > Cue burn is the effect of successive back-cues on a record, not > > the process of back-cueing itself. Back in the days when radio > > stations played records straight to air, the DJ would bring the > > turntable up on the cue channel and turn the turntable manually > > until he hit the start of the music. Then he'd back it up > > about 1/4 - 1/2 turn (however long it took that turntable to > > get up to speed) so he could punch in the song and know when > > it was going to start. After running the stylus through the > > first half-turn or so of the groove hundreds of times, the > > groove became "cue burned" from the extra stress of running > > the stylus backwards through it. It's one thing to design > > a stylus cantilever that can run backwards without breaking off; > > it's another thing to make that process not damage the record > > more than forward play would. Polystyrene records (Columbia/CBS > > was a big proponent of those) were more brittle and more prone > > to cue burn than the softer vinyl records. By the 70s many > > stations just put their hit records onto Fidelipak style > > cartridges and cut down their direct-to-air turntable use > > dramatically. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 16:27:00 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Nov 17 16:28:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] kitty's jukebox In-Reply-To: <658224.93460.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <573383.5473.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Could they make a "roach motel" version? "Kitties check in, but they don't check out..." David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 16:40:02 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Nov 17 16:41:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <743776.70195.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've also worked in broadcasting off and on over the years. I got my 3rd class radiophone license my junior year of high school. I don't have a Gates, but I do have a Russco Model B with a Micro-Trak (wooden) tone arm. It needs new rubber parts and indicator lamps, however. But for the ultimate "built like a tank" turntable (even built by a General - Sarnoff) I'd proffer the RCA 70 series from the 1940s. I have one similar to this: http://www.radioblvd.com/morepix/BCturntbl.jpg But mine doesn't have the record lathe attachment. I'm looking for one if anybody knows where one might be found. In its place is a GE microgroove tonearm with - guess what? A VR-II pickup. So now we've come full circle! :-) It also has the 45 RPM planetary gear set conversion. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From berrycbell at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 17:14:50 2008 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Mon Nov 17 17:15:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <743776.70195.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <743776.70195.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: David, I remember getting my 3rd class radiophone license, but the ultimate for me was attending Elkins Institute in Dallas, Texas at age 17 and passing the test to get my 1st Class license. I had the same license that our engineer had! (However, I didn't know squat, but I now could legally take tower and transmitter readings!) Also remember the days of having to log every song played for ASCAP and BMI royalties The good ol' days On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:40 PM, David Breneman wrote: > > I've also worked in broadcasting off and on over the years. > I got my 3rd class radiophone license my junior year of > high school. > > I don't have a Gates, but I do have a Russco Model B with a > Micro-Trak (wooden) tone arm. It needs new rubber parts and > indicator lamps, however. But for the ultimate "built like > a tank" turntable (even built by a General - Sarnoff) I'd > proffer the RCA 70 series from the 1940s. I have one > similar to this: > > http://www.radioblvd.com/morepix/BCturntbl.jpg > > But mine doesn't have the record lathe attachment. I'm > looking for one if anybody knows where one might be > found. In its place is a GE microgroove tonearm with - > guess what? A VR-II pickup. So now we've come full > circle! :-) It also has the 45 RPM planetary gear > set conversion. > > > David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From drjukebox at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 17:46:50 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Mon Nov 17 17:47:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <743776.70195.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <743776.70195.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690811171746w2d917d81v32ec2f87af2cd8d@mail.gmail.com> I really love my 1958 AMI I models. How they look and how they sound.I never felt the need to upgrade cartridge on one of these. The H and the I can also play modern records and sound good. I think the late fifties AMIs are better than all the competition, including the Seeburgs, in this regard. That said, I like the idea of using vintage equipment to play vintage records. What I enjoy is the time travel. I like my jukebox to look and sound just like it did back then when it was on location, playing the latest hits to appreciative teenagers while relieving them of their small change. I have other equipment play modern music. To chime in with the DJs I also have a German EMT 730ST turntable that came out of a radio station in Finnland. With an Ortophone cartridge and special made needles it makes old 78s all the way back from the 20s sound just amazing. I have various tube amplifiers and a pair of Seeburg disco speakers. But these days I listen mostly to MP3s on my computer.... Jens On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:40 AM, David Breneman wrote: > > I've also worked in broadcasting off and on over the years. > I got my 3rd class radiophone license my junior year of > high school. > > I don't have a Gates, but I do have a Russco Model B with a > Micro-Trak (wooden) tone arm. It needs new rubber parts and > indicator lamps, however. But for the ultimate "built like > a tank" turntable (even built by a General - Sarnoff) I'd > proffer the RCA 70 series from the 1940s. I have one > similar to this: > > http://www.radioblvd.com/morepix/BCturntbl.jpg > > But mine doesn't have the record lathe attachment. I'm > looking for one if anybody knows where one might be > found. In its place is a GE microgroove tonearm with - > guess what? A VR-II pickup. So now we've come full > circle! :-) It also has the 45 RPM planetary gear > set conversion. > > > David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jeffzurn at cox.net Mon Nov 17 19:08:47 2008 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Mon Nov 17 19:09:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Selecto-Matic question In-Reply-To: <286877.29792.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <286877.29792.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95CAB2670508413D9FC8C89E927726B2@JeffsR61i> Ron, I've got a quick Selecto-Matic question for you. Hope you have the time to send me an answer. Mech works fine moving from R - L playing Even numbered records, but when moving L - R (Odd numbers), It wants to automatically reject and retry (wash, rinse, repeat) every selection. I've been successful getting most to play with a nudge to the right once the record is in position - exept K9 (end of the magazine). The juke has been sitting for 5 or so years and it got a fresh lubing from me... the manual provides information about this problem (assuming its both even and odd selections having the problem) - but not specific for just Even or Odd. Have you seen this fault before? Thank you. Jeff Zurn Arizona Jukebox Company. From berrycbell at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 19:35:07 2008 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Mon Nov 17 19:36:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <3154d3690811171746w2d917d81v32ec2f87af2cd8d@mail.gmail.com> References: <743776.70195.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3154d3690811171746w2d917d81v32ec2f87af2cd8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jens, I don't think there is a better sounding jukebox than the AMI H or I, period. Pretty amazing considering we're talking a 12" woofer and small horn tweeter. Only downside on these models is their tempermental nature. I agree that their styling is extremely unique and evokes quality. I even has a 7" single by Coldplay and David Gray in my AMI I and it sounds unbelievably good using the VRII. Berry On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Jens Hultgren wrote: > I really love my 1958 AMI I models. How they look and how they sound.I > never > felt the need to upgrade cartridge on one of these. The H and the I can > also > play modern records and sound good. I think the late fifties AMIs are > better > than all the competition, including the Seeburgs, in this regard. > That said, I like the idea of using vintage equipment to play vintage > records. What I enjoy is the time travel. I like my jukebox to look and > sound just like it did back then when it was on location, playing the > latest > hits to appreciative teenagers while relieving them of their small change. > I have other equipment play modern music. > > To chime in with the DJs I also have a German EMT 730ST turntable that came > out of a radio station in Finnland. > With an Ortophone cartridge and special made needles it makes old 78s all > the way back from the 20s sound just amazing. > I have various tube amplifiers and a pair of Seeburg disco speakers. > > But these days I listen mostly to MP3s on my computer.... > > Jens > > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:40 AM, David Breneman >wrote: > > > > > I've also worked in broadcasting off and on over the years. > > I got my 3rd class radiophone license my junior year of > > high school. > > > > I don't have a Gates, but I do have a Russco Model B with a > > Micro-Trak (wooden) tone arm. It needs new rubber parts and > > indicator lamps, however. But for the ultimate "built like > > a tank" turntable (even built by a General - Sarnoff) I'd > > proffer the RCA 70 series from the 1940s. I have one > > similar to this: > > > > http://www.radioblvd.com/morepix/BCturntbl.jpg > > > > But mine doesn't have the record lathe attachment. I'm > > looking for one if anybody knows where one might be > > found. In its place is a GE microgroove tonearm with - > > guess what? A VR-II pickup. So now we've come full > > circle! :-) It also has the 45 RPM planetary gear > > set conversion. > > > > > > David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 19:43:39 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 17 19:44:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Selecto-Matic question In-Reply-To: <95CAB2670508413D9FC8C89E927726B2@JeffsR61i> Message-ID: <363602.90250.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jeff, "Select-O-Matics" were made for about 50 years--what's the model # ?? Ron --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Jeff Zurn wrote: From: Jeff Zurn Subject: [Jukebox-list] Selecto-Matic question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 7:08 PM Ron, I've got a quick Selecto-Matic question for you. Hope you have the time to send me an answer. Mech works fine moving from R - L playing Even numbered records, but when moving L - R (Odd numbers), It wants to automatically reject and retry (wash, rinse, repeat) every selection. I've been successful getting most to play with a nudge to the right once the record is in position - exept K9 (end of the magazine). The juke has been sitting for 5 or so years and it got a fresh lubing from me... the manual provides information about this problem (assuming its both even and odd selections having the problem) - but not specific for just Even or Odd. Have you seen this fault before? Thank you. Jeff Zurn Arizona Jukebox Company. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Nov 17 19:44:16 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Nov 17 19:47:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Selecto-Matic question Message-ID: <20081117.224416.9134.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Jeff: Which model Seeburg is this? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8VZ63A7tuj8HP3ytwlqOu9fCrU0iDV1o4RTaAXvMPQ680JQ/ From jeffzurn at cox.net Mon Nov 17 19:50:10 2008 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Mon Nov 17 19:51:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Selecto-Matic question In-Reply-To: <20081117.224416.9134.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081117.224416.9134.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <834CCD150C2D4171878A1D8B60DDA3AD@JeffsR61i> Ron, Jim... M-100B. sorry. Jeff Zurn ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: 11/17/2008 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Selecto-Matic question Jeff: Which model Seeburg is this? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8VZ63A7tuj8HP3ytwlqOu9fCrU0iDV1o4RTaAXvMPQ680JQ/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 20:03:17 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Nov 17 20:04:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <704196.34723.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Berry Bell wrote: > I don't think there is a better sounding jukebox than > the AMI H or I, > period. Pretty amazing considering we're talking a > 12" woofer and small > horn tweeter. Only downside on these models is their > tempermental nature. Have you heard a G-200? With a four foot long bass horn with two 6" drivers, and a 16 inch long high-mounted treble horn, it sounds pretty good. Not that I'm trying to start an argument, but I've always seen the H as the point when AMI decided to compromise absolute sound quality to compete on styling with Seeburg. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 20:11:53 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 17 20:12:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Selecto-Matic question In-Reply-To: <834CCD150C2D4171878A1D8B60DDA3AD@JeffsR61i> Message-ID: <79919.79795.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> OK--Look under the solenoid assembly (aka "pinbank"). There will be a brown/black "plastic frog" riding under there. It's being propelled by a U shaped metal "bracket" that SHOULD have a spring steel fitted on one side. If the jukebox was transported on it's back, without being properly bolted down, and your lucky, the frog has jumped out of that spring. If that's the case, force that spring against the U shape, and the frog will settle back into the correct position. Let me know-- Ron --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Jeff Zurn wrote: From: Jeff Zurn Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Selecto-Matic question To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 7:50 PM Ron, Jim... M-100B. sorry. Jeff Zurn ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: 11/17/2008 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Selecto-Matic question Jeff: Which model Seeburg is this? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8VZ63A7tuj8HP3ytwlqOu9fCrU0iDV1o4RTaAXvMPQ680JQ/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 04:00:33 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Tue Nov 18 04:01:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <704196.34723.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <704196.34723.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690811180400g172afedct9799e87ab8add7fa@mail.gmail.com> Actually, the G200 is where they went from total squareness to start applying a little stylishness.They must've brought in a new designer at this time, while also deserting the horizontal rack mechanism they had used from the start for the new (but stolen from Rockola!) ferris wheel mech. I had a G200 once but someone else wanted it, so I never got a chance to work on it. There are some differences to the sound system compared to G80 and G120 - I wonder if they make a big difference in sound? My first 50's jukebox was a red speckled Jensen G80 assembled in Denmark. Jensen used their own cartridges and those weren't any good. I guess the G200 should sound as good as the H and i but with more oomph? Jens On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:03 AM, David Breneman wrote: > --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Berry Bell wrote: > > > I don't think there is a better sounding jukebox than > > the AMI H or I, > > period. Pretty amazing considering we're talking a > > 12" woofer and small > > horn tweeter. Only downside on these models is their > > tempermental nature. > > Have you heard a G-200? With a four foot long bass horn > with two 6" drivers, and a 16 inch long high-mounted > treble horn, it sounds pretty good. Not that I'm > trying to start an argument, but I've always seen the H > as the point when AMI decided to compromise absolute > sound quality to compete on styling with Seeburg. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Nov 18 05:51:43 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Tue Nov 18 05:48:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion Message-ID: <200811180851891.SM00960@[192.168.1.206]> The sound design differences between the early F or G series, the G-200 and the H or I is what really blows my mind about the AMI styles. I don't want to start another battle thread about the best sounding jukebox ever made, but in my opinion, the F and G 120...hands down, best sounding juke ever made. You've got that long throw horn driver for the high-end, and a 10" woofer (made by Jensen I think) bolted to a ported cabinet. The entire cabinet becomes a woofer! Now you go from that design to the G-200. My brother-in-law bought one and we started messing with it a few months ago. I could not believe the speakers in the thing. The horn driver is still there - a left over from the G series...but now you've got two dinky 6 inch speakers that look like they came out of a TV, bolted to the top of the cabinet at a 45 degree, pointing down to the bottom of the cabinet. Once we removed the speakers, we found that the entire back of the cabinet was hollow...another port - only much larger when compared to the F or G 120 - to direct the sound out the bottom. Thinking the worst, we hooked an amp up to the crossover and fed some tunes from my brother-in-law's iPod into the cabinet. HOLE-E-COW! I spent 20 minutes looking for a hidden speaker somewhere in the cabinet. There was no way that those two dinky 6 inch speakers could be putting out that much bass! Everything was going great until he piped in some of my niece's techno trance euro-beat stuff. Way too much bass presence and the woofers started to pop and distort. Immediately, I saw the word "modification" flash through my head. Imagine two 8 or 10 inch car audio sub-woofers with a separate amp and power supply inside the thing. WOW! This is why I wish I had extra cabinets hanging around the shop. PLAY TIME! Anyway, now along comes the H and the I series. Gone is the big 'ol horn driver and the 6 inch woofers. Now you've got a smaller tweeter "horn" down in the lower grill area, and back to the 10" woofer only now it's beefier than what was in the F and G 120. Does it sound good? Yep. Does it sound great? Well....not great. Still the same R-145 amp and the same crossover network, if I'm not mistaken. I'll have to agree that AMI went more with looks than with sound quality by the late 50s. My two pesos. Aaron From dave.halford at telent.com Tue Nov 18 06:06:43 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Tue Nov 18 06:07:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Chrome plating Message-ID: <20081118140647.43F51274097@blade207.lb.inty.net> How do I remove the peeling plate from a Rockola 500 to 504 series wall box ? More than 1/3 of it has already fallen off due to the usual white powder corrosion, the rest seems more resistant. Any suggestions appreciated regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From drjukebox at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 06:56:49 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Tue Nov 18 06:57:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <200811180851891.SM00960@192.168.1.206> References: <200811180851891.SM00960@192.168.1.206> Message-ID: <3154d3690811180656x27f82bdt955527ef78b32a1a@mail.gmail.com> That's right - with the new 200 mech they had to redesign the speaker hornsperhaps for the better? All the AMIs I've had sounded very good or better but I can't remember the F and G as outstanding perhaps that noisy mech was distracting from the sound experience we should have a side-by-side competition 8o) are u all familiar with the piece that was written in one of the Hi-fi magazines in 1954? Something unheard of at the time, a jukebox mentioned in connection with Hi-Fi! It was about the F model. Is this article available online? Jens On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Aaron Heverin wrote: > The sound design differences between the early F or G series, the G-200 and > the H or I is what really blows my mind about the AMI styles. I don't want > to start another battle thread about the best sounding jukebox ever made, > but in my opinion, the F and G 120...hands down, best sounding juke ever > made. You've got that long throw horn driver for the high-end, and a 10" > woofer (made by Jensen I think) bolted to a ported cabinet. The entire > cabinet becomes a woofer! Now you go from that design to the G-200. My > brother-in-law bought one and we started messing with it a few months ago. I > could not believe the speakers in the thing. The horn driver is still there > - a left over from the G series...but now you've got two dinky 6 inch > speakers that look like they came out of a TV, bolted to the top of the > cabinet at a 45 degree, pointing down to the bottom of the cabinet. Once we > removed the speakers, we found that the entire back of the cabinet was > hollow...another port - only much larger when compared to the F or G 120 - > to direct the sound out the bottom. Thinking the worst, we hooked an amp up > to the crossover and fed some tunes from my brother-in-law's iPod into the > cabinet. > > HOLE-E-COW! > > I spent 20 minutes looking for a hidden speaker somewhere in the cabinet. > There was no way that those two dinky 6 inch speakers could be putting out > that much bass! Everything was going great until he piped in some of my > niece's techno trance euro-beat stuff. Way too much bass presence and the > woofers started to pop and distort. Immediately, I saw the word > "modification" flash through my head. Imagine two 8 or 10 inch car audio > sub-woofers with a separate amp and power supply inside the thing. WOW! This > is why I wish I had extra cabinets hanging around the shop. PLAY TIME! > > Anyway, now along comes the H and the I series. Gone is the big 'ol horn > driver and the 6 inch woofers. Now you've got a smaller tweeter "horn" down > in the lower grill area, and back to the 10" woofer only now it's beefier > than what was in the F and G 120. Does it sound good? Yep. Does it sound > great? Well....not great. Still the same R-145 amp and the same crossover > network, if I'm not mistaken. > > I'll have to agree that AMI went more with looks than with sound quality by > the late 50s. > > My two pesos. > > Aaron > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From aaron at vertasource.com Tue Nov 18 08:49:38 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Tue Nov 18 08:46:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion Message-ID: <200811181149576.SM00960@[192.168.1.206]> No. I've never seen it. Would like to though. In fact, I'd like to get copies of magazines like Popular Electronics or titles similar to that just to see the early reviews of High-Fidelity sound equipment. Pretty radical concept. Even more radical...I'd like to own an early hi-fi system. I can't remember where I saw it, or if it's even true...but didn't Bose have a hand in the design of the cabinet for the F and G series AMIs? Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Jens Hultgren drjukebox@gmail.com Sent 11/18/2008 9:56:49 AM To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion That's right - with the new 200 mech they had to redesign the speaker hornsperhaps for the better? All the AMIs I've had sounded very good or better but I can't remember the F and G as outstanding perhaps that noisy mech was distracting from the sound experience we should have a side-by-side competition 8o) are u all familiar with the piece that was written in one of the Hi-fi magazines in 1954? Something unheard of at the time, a jukebox mentioned in connection with Hi-Fi! It was about the F model. Is this article available online? Jens On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Aaron Heverin aaron@vertasource.comwrote: The sound design differences between the early F or G series, the G-200 and the H or I is what really blows my mind about the AMI styles. I don't want to start another battle thread about the best sounding jukebox ever made, but in my opinion, the F and G 120...hands down, best sounding juke ever made. You've got that long throw horn driver for the high-end, and a 10" woofer (made by Jensen I think) bolted to a ported cabinet. The entire cabinet becomes a woofer! Now you go from that design to the G-200. My brother-in-law bought one and we started messing with it a few months ago. I could not believe the speakers in the thing. The horn driver is still there - a left over from the G series...but now you've got two dinky 6 inch speakers that look like they came out of a TV, bolted to the top of the cabinet at a 45 degree, pointing down to the bottom of the cabinet. Once we removed the speakers, we found that the entire back of the cabinet was hollow...another port - only much larger when compared to the F or G 120 - to direct the sound out the bottom. Thinking the worst, we hooked an amp up to the crossover and fed some tunes from my brother-in-law's iPod into the cabinet. HOLE-E-COW! I spent 20 minutes looking for a hidden speaker somewhere in the cabinet. There was no way that those two dinky 6 inch speakers could be putting out that much bass! Everything was going great until he piped in some of my niece's techno trance euro-beat stuff. Way too much bass presence and the woofers started to pop and distort. Immediately, I saw the word "modification" flash through my head. Imagine two 8 or 10 inch car audio sub-woofers with a separate amp and power supply inside the thing. WOW! This is why I wish I had extra cabinets hanging around the shop. PLAY TIME! Anyway, now along comes the H and the I series. Gone is the big 'ol horn driver and the 6 inch woofers. Now you've got a smaller tweeter "horn" down in the lower grill area, and back to the 10" woofer only now it's beefier than what was in the F and G 120. Does it sound good? Yep. Does it sound great? Well....not great. Still the same R-145 amp and the same crossover network, if I'm not mistaken. I'll have to agree that AMI went more with looks than with sound quality by the late 50s. My two pesos. Aaron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From rudymart at charter.net Mon Nov 17 11:15:40 2008 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Tue Nov 18 09:14:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s problems Message-ID: <110D9516F70B4A0AA5BBD3BEC2B4100D@luluPC> Jim I ajusted the stop screw like you said and it work perfectally. thanks rudy From Homer87015 at aol.com Tue Nov 18 09:24:57 2008 From: Homer87015 at aol.com (Homer87015@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 18 09:32:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ami Cartridges Message-ID: Hi, I`ve been reading the posts with interest, as I have a Bal-Ami E and a G . The E is working, and when bought, I knew absolutely nothing about jukeboxes. lol. I must say it sounded nice, despite being a little worse for wear . So I started poking around inside under the layer of dust, and found ...A Leak TL/10 amp. running a massive Goodmans Audiom 60 speaker...! . Took a while and some research to find that this setup was..A-original, and B- a bit sought after in the old hi-fi world. Well, it gave me a month or two, then the poor old amp had enough. It needs a complete rebuild , but considering it`s all original, not bad .So it now runs thru` a Leak stereo 70 amp with one dead channell, therefore a perfect mono. I also have a stereo70 and a pair of Sandwich speakers, plus a 70 as a spare and a couple of Leak radio tuners. .The strange thing is I bought everything on Ebay @ bargain prices..(Not to mention a couple of hundred records from the 50`s+60`s .and 2 Beam-Echo amps for the G )Best Wishes, Nige. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Nov 18 09:35:07 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Nov 18 09:36:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <200811180851891.SM00960@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <825699.89979.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: > Once we removed the speakers, we found that the > entire back of the cabinet was hollow...another port - only > much larger when compared to the F or G 120 - to direct the > sound out the bottom. Thinking the worst, we hooked an amp > up to the crossover and fed some tunes from my > brother-in-law's iPod into the cabinet. > > HOLE-E-COW! Horns are very efficient. Early Western Electric sound movie systems used amplifiers that were miniscule by today's standards. Sometimes a theater seating 1500 people would have only about 25 watts of amplification. But there were huge horn speakers behind the screen and they pumped every decibel out into the audience. > Everything was > going great until he piped in some of my niece's techno > trance euro-beat stuff. Way too much bass presence and the > woofers started to pop and distort. Well, now we get into another religious battle: What is music, and should a system engineered to play music be expected to do equally well with sound effects? :-) i'd imagine that just about any "real" sound system will distort when fed a signal that has one narrow frequency band emphasized exponentially higher than the rest. I don't know about a subwoffer in a 45 jukebox however - it might make the record skip. :-) > I'll have to agree that AMI went more with looks than > with sound quality by the late 50s. I've written about this before here, so a won't belabor the point, but I believe the "boxy" styling of the F and G series was an intentional decision to "cash in" on the Hi-Fi craze of the mid 50s. Everyone with high end sound systems had big horn speakers, and AMI wanted to capture that audiophile cachet for their jukeboxes. But the market seemed to have valued eye appeal over "pure sonic quality" and when the Jetsons models started coming out, the engineers did their best to incorporate high quality sound, but were to a greater extent than before constrained by the stylists. The H and I are beautiful machines, however. I'd buy one if given the chance (and I could afford it). I'd also love to have a G-40. That might be a more realistic goal, and would have to be the best sounding 78 machine made. Wes Dean told me at one time that he had one. They only made a few dozen as I recall. From jay at west.net Tue Nov 18 10:11:23 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Nov 18 10:12:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Chrome plating In-Reply-To: <20081118140647.43F51274097@blade207.lb.inty.net> References: <20081118140647.43F51274097@blade207.lb.inty.net> Message-ID: <4923054B.1090405@west.net> dave.halford@telent.com wrote: > How do I remove the peeling plate from a Rockola 500 to 504 series wall box > ? More than 1/3 of it has already fallen off due to the usual white powder > corrosion, the rest seems more resistant. > Any suggestions appreciated Disassemble and send the parts to a professional chrome plater. There are two that do good jukebox work, Speed and Sport in Texas and Courtesy Metal in Illinois. If you're looking for someone local, visit your local Harley-Davidson dealer at the end of the day on Friday with a cold 12-pack and ask who they recommend. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Nov 18 10:10:43 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Nov 18 10:13:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 2410s problems Message-ID: <20081118.131043.15665.3@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> I'm glad that it worked out for you. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9HtqoSck6VfVe3Nw9TGBqd4gofmDUvMP133DsFOLQxPXcfE/ From drjukebox at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 10:23:33 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Tue Nov 18 10:24:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <825699.89979.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200811180851891.SM00960@192.168.1.206> <825699.89979.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690811181023n5ec7bc73h568ca251ea43963b@mail.gmail.com> We've talked about G-40 before...I have a vage reminiscence of seeing a G40 at the Chicago show many years ago. It wouldn't make me jump with excitement, though. Jensen in Denmark made G40, I have seen several of those. Then you have the cutesy Bal-AMI G40 that the poms made. It must have a different sound system though from the looks of it. My I200E and I100M both have a beautiful, crisp, clear, mellow distorsion free tube sound. And a good thump also, amazing they could achieve that with just one 12" speaker element (+ the little treble horn). Like you say, the sound men had to compromise with the cabinet design. And one reason they were so good before may have been that the boxey construction allowed space for the horns. A very good idea to have the treble horn at ear level and the bass directed downwards. I have a pile of b/w pictures from the AMI factory in the 50s (bought them from Butch Bartlett). They show various mechanism and cabinet designs that never made it into production. I went to the plant in Grand Rapids around 1989 and chatted with people who had been working there since 1946. They knew a few things but could not answer the really interesting questions like what happened with the design in 1956 - new design studio? Who? and who designed their sound systems, was it all made in house. I saw a prototype AMI in Oklahoma city around 1991. That truck driver with the "Jukebox Hall of Fame" had it. Looked like a modified F as I recall. He wanted outrageous money for it. Jens On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:35 PM, David Breneman wrote: > --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: > > > Once we removed the speakers, we found that the > > entire back of the cabinet was hollow...another port - only > > much larger when compared to the F or G 120 - to direct the > > sound out the bottom. Thinking the worst, we hooked an amp > > up to the crossover and fed some tunes from my > > brother-in-law's iPod into the cabinet. > > > > HOLE-E-COW! > > Horns are very efficient. Early Western Electric sound > movie systems used amplifiers that were miniscule by today's > standards. Sometimes a theater seating 1500 people would > have only about 25 watts of amplification. But there were > huge horn speakers behind the screen and they pumped > every decibel out into the audience. > > > Everything was > > going great until he piped in some of my niece's techno > > trance euro-beat stuff. Way too much bass presence and the > > woofers started to pop and distort. > > Well, now we get into another religious battle: What is music, > and should a system engineered to play music be expected to > do equally well with sound effects? :-) i'd imagine that just > about any "real" sound system will distort when fed a signal > that has one narrow frequency band emphasized exponentially > higher than the rest. I don't know about a subwoffer in a > 45 jukebox however - it might make the record skip. :-) > > > I'll have to agree that AMI went more with looks than > > with sound quality by the late 50s. > > I've written about this before here, so a won't belabor the > point, but I believe the "boxy" styling of the F and G > series was an intentional decision to "cash in" on the > Hi-Fi craze of the mid 50s. Everyone with high end sound > systems had big horn speakers, and AMI wanted to capture > that audiophile cachet for their jukeboxes. But the market > seemed to have valued eye appeal over "pure sonic quality" > and when the Jetsons models started coming out, the > engineers did their best to incorporate high quality sound, > but were to a greater extent than before constrained by > the stylists. The H and I are beautiful machines, however. > I'd buy one if given the chance (and I could afford it). > I'd also love to have a G-40. That might be a more realistic > goal, and would have to be the best sounding 78 machine made. > Wes Dean told me at one time that he had one. They only made > a few dozen as I recall. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Nov 18 13:10:16 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Nov 18 13:11:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Chrome plating In-Reply-To: <4923054B.1090405@west.net> Message-ID: <919736.3641.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jay, It has been?a bad?experience, every time?I've had a guy who "specializes" in?Harley's do chrome plating for me. They seem to like?to "grind" all the detailing off.?Ron Rich? --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Chrome plating To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 10:11 AM dave.halford@telent.com wrote: > How do I remove the peeling plate from a Rockola 500 to 504 series wall box > ? More than 1/3 of it has already fallen off due to the usual white powder > corrosion, the rest seems more resistant. > Any suggestions appreciated Disassemble and send the parts to a professional chrome plater. There are two that do good jukebox work, Speed and Sport in Texas and Courtesy Metal in Illinois. If you're looking for someone local, visit your local Harley-Davidson dealer at the end of the day on Friday with a cold 12-pack and ask who they recommend. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Nov 18 17:46:20 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Nov 18 17:47:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion References: <704196.34723.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c949e8$9fbcca40$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I've enjoyed this thread. I've owned F,G, H, I, and J models - some with the original VR series cartridge, and some with the Pickering NP/AC. Both sound fantastic, although I lean towards the Pickering, only because it is brand new - I've had to replace some original VR series (worn out/degraded??) that just didn't sound good. I currently have an I200 and have to agree with Berry - it sounds better than any juke I've owned. The F's and G's sound good, but only in a big room when you are standing way back. The way the high frequency horn blasts right at ear lever is particularly harsh (hissy) to me, especially when you are right in front making selections. Maybe you old guys don't notice this because of high frequency hearing loss :). Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion > --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Berry Bell wrote: > >> I don't think there is a better sounding jukebox than >> the AMI H or I, >> period. Pretty amazing considering we're talking a >> 12" woofer and small >> horn tweeter. Only downside on these models is their >> tempermental nature. > > Have you heard a G-200? With a four foot long bass horn > with two 6" drivers, and a 16 inch long high-mounted > treble horn, it sounds pretty good. Not that I'm > trying to start an argument, but I've always seen the H > as the point when AMI decided to compromise absolute > sound quality to compete on styling with Seeburg. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Nov 18 18:24:12 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Nov 18 18:25:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <000701c949e8$9fbcca40$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <347887.4425.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 11/18/08, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: > The F's and > G's sound good, but only in a big room when you are > standing way back. The way the high frequency horn blasts > right at ear lever is particularly harsh (hissy) to me, > especially when you are right in front making selections. > Maybe you old guys don't notice this because of high > frequency hearing loss :). Well, speaking for myself, I've amazed my doctor in that I haven't lost much of any high-end frequency response; most of my loss has come from the upper mid range (and because of that my Ex used to accuse me of being a wet blanket when we went to clubs - "Why don't you want to talk to me?!" -- Uh, because I can't *hear* you? :-) ) The sound is not good close up, but remember that juke boxes were supposed to be heard in large rooms from a ways back. My G-200 lives in my workshop. Twice I year, it's rolled out into the yard; for the Fourth of July party and for the Christmas party (which takes place mostly outside). I have recordings made of some of those parties and the music from the AMI sounds like a music track mixed in in post, not a "stereo" playing in the background. BTW, I'd love so see some of Jens' "prototype" pictures. Any chance of getting those scanned in and put on the web some place? From drjukebox at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 18:35:49 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Tue Nov 18 18:36:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <347887.4425.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000701c949e8$9fbcca40$6101a8c0@Dirksen> <347887.4425.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690811181835m79d0b418ld4454dbdeec13e19@mail.gmail.com> Maybe someday.... On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:24 AM, David Breneman wrote > > > BTW, I'd love so see some of Jens' "prototype" pictures. > Any chance of getting those scanned in and put on the web > some place? > > From ccos at knology.net Wed Nov 19 13:25:35 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Nov 19 13:26:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 431 Micro Switches References: <20081117.024504.11966.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Jim, Just a quick thanks to let you know that allied had some switches that I believe will work. They are the same size, have the little button on top, have connections for normally open and normally closed, the same bolt pattern, and handle 15 amps. The only difference I see (don't have em in my hand yet) is the location of the screws which is no biggie. And they were quite helpful. I even enjoyed messing a little bit with the sales lady who answered the phone by asking "Hello ma'am, I'm looking for some Micro brand switches for a 1966 Rockola jukebox." Thanks again for the link. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 431 Micro Switches Hi Karl: Microswitch is now a division of Honeywell and is still in business, distributed through industrial electronics parts houses. In Georgia, Allied Electronics carries the line in depth. Go to www.alliedelec.com or phone them at 866 433 5722. Their online catalog has 10 pages of microswitch products. A bit of caution though, before buying look at the sizes/specs of switch bodies and mounting bolt patterns before buying. Most of the current generation microswitches are smaller than the older versions. You may decide to locate the original-issue device. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________________ Get Freebies & Coupons -- Free of Hassle at FreeInternet.com! Visit http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1221/?u=http://www.freeinternet.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Nov 20 16:52:25 2008 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu Nov 20 16:53:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <3154d3690811181835m79d0b418ld4454dbdeec13e19@mail.gmail.com> References: <000701c949e8$9fbcca40$6101a8c0@Dirksen> <347887.4425.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3154d3690811181835m79d0b418ld4454dbdeec13e19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901c94b73$6c83a9a0$458afce0$@net> Good evening all...I have the chance to pick up a 56' AMI G200 this weekend. Basically going to trade a go cart for it. So I am out no real money. Is this a fairly collectable box? I have seen pics and it is very clean and includes all user and service manuals. Since I am new to juking and even newer to AMI, what can the experts tell me about this juke. I have read Jens thread and looks like opinion has it, that it is a pretty good sounding box. The only thing wrong with it is an intermittent issue with selection sometimes. The guy told me that every now and then and randomly, it will pass the selection...scan twice and play the last record. He said he replaced that he was told was the usual suspect, but still occurs from time to time. Any thoughts? I will report more once I get it home.... Thanks again Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jens Hultgren Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:36 PM To: david_breneman@yahoo.com; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion Maybe someday.... On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:24 AM, David Breneman wrote > > > BTW, I'd love so see some of Jens' "prototype" pictures. > Any chance of getting those scanned in and put on the web > some place? > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Thu Nov 20 16:53:41 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Thu Nov 20 16:54:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W2000 selector problem References: <20081113.220315.14198.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001f01c94b73$992b6510$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I'm working on a W2000 (a first for me) and have gone through the machine. It cycles good and all selections work. The problem I'm having is that the P6 pin is "loose" and pops out quite often. It is not being electrically activated - it appears vibration from the wobble plate makes it pop out. Barely touching it with my finger makes it pop out. Visually, it appears the "notch" that keeps it back has worn (at least compared with the others next to it). Anyone had experience with this problem? I want to take my dremel to the notch and make it deeper. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Jim From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 17:27:05 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 20 17:34:47 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W2000 selector problem In-Reply-To: <001f01c94b73$992b6510$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <690594.19709.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Send me a photo of that pin, off list, as I can't recall that "nightmare" pin bank at the moment --I MAY just have a few of them left---give me a few daze to figure out where I may have filed them (file?13 ?)?25 or more years ago--I remember saying "never again" back then--Ron Rich --- On Thu, 11/20/08, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] W2000 selector problem To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 4:53 PM I'm working on a W2000 (a first for me) and have gone through the machine. It cycles good and all selections work. The problem I'm having is that the P6 pin is "loose" and pops out quite often. It is not being electrically activated - it appears vibration from the wobble plate makes it pop out. Barely touching it with my finger makes it pop out. Visually, it appears the "notch" that keeps it back has worn (at least compared with the others next to it). Anyone had experience with this problem? I want to take my dremel to the notch and make it deeper. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From berrycbell at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 17:52:19 2008 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Thu Nov 20 17:53:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <000901c94b73$6c83a9a0$458afce0$@net> References: <000701c949e8$9fbcca40$6101a8c0@Dirksen> <347887.4425.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3154d3690811181835m79d0b418ld4454dbdeec13e19@mail.gmail.com> <000901c94b73$6c83a9a0$458afce0$@net> Message-ID: Rich, If your looking at collectability only, I would say the G-200 is not real collectible. The Ami's up to and including the G are very boxy looking. Stylistically and collectibility improved significantly the next year with the H Model. (See previous posts.) If you are getting it virtually for nothing and it is in good shape you are in great shape. The G apparently has a great sound, and in my opinion it is a nicer looking machine than the F before it. Good luck and welcome to the hobby. Be careful, it can become addicting! Berry On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Good evening all...I have the chance to pick up a 56' AMI G200 this > weekend. > Basically going to trade a go cart for it. So I am out no real money. Is > this a fairly collectable box? I have seen pics and it is very clean and > includes all user and service manuals. Since I am new to juking and even > newer to AMI, what can the experts tell me about this juke. I have read > Jens thread and looks like opinion has it, that it is a pretty good > sounding box. > > The only thing wrong with it is an intermittent issue with selection > sometimes. The guy told me that every now and then and randomly, it will > pass the selection...scan twice and play the last record. He said he > replaced that he was told was the usual suspect, but still occurs from time > to time. Any thoughts? I will report more once I get it home.... > > Thanks again > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jens > Hultgren > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:36 PM > To: david_breneman@yahoo.com; Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion > > Maybe someday.... > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:24 AM, David Breneman > wrote > > > > > > BTW, I'd love so see some of Jens' "prototype" pictures. > > Any chance of getting those scanned in and put on the web > > some place? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 17:58:32 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Nov 20 17:59:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <000901c94b73$6c83a9a0$458afce0$@net> Message-ID: <756082.60776.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> -- On Thu, 11/20/08, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > Good evening all...I have the chance to pick up a 56' > AMI G200 this weekend. > Basically going to trade a go cart for it. So I am out no > real money. Is > this a fairly collectable box? Were you paying attention to the AMI F and G thread a few days ago? The G isn't as desired amongst neophytes as the later "space age" models, but it is a very good sounding machine. I've had mine for over 30 years and I love it. > The guy told me that every now and then and > randomly, it will > pass the selection...scan twice and play the last record. That doesn't sound like a typical mode of failure for this machine. By "the last record" do you mean K-20, or the last one selected or the last one before the record rack stops turning? I could see it skipping selections if the trip switches were dirty or misadjusted but the record rack is only supposed to turn about 1-1/4 revolutions when a selection is made. > He said he > replaced that he was told was the usual suspect, It would be interesting to know what he considered the "usual suspect" to be for such a mode of failure. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Nov 20 20:39:50 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Nov 20 20:42:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W2000 selector problem Message-ID: <20081120.233950.15956.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Widening the notch slightly should be a viable approach. Better yet, do you have a Wurl selector drum from this era where you simply replace the pin? Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Graphic Design? Find a school near you. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdIcM4s6ingct2PbEYrPg3OY1D9xZDUTsBHxrWHzAmDtsaK/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Nov 20 21:06:09 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Nov 20 21:09:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion Message-ID: <20081121.000609.15956.2@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> The AMI G 200 is a 1956 model 200 select machine. It doesn't have the collectable $$ value that the later 50's and 60's H thru K AMI models do. If you are getting it for a good price (sounds like you are) and it's in reasonably good condition, you can't go too far wrong. The AMI G features a 2 way horn loaded speaker system which makes it capable of higher audio output than conventional speaker systems, driven by 25 watts of power. This speaker system will work best in larger rooms, where you have a hard (not carpeted) floor beneath the jukebox cabinet. The selection write-in system uses a stepper-switch (pulse converter) system that can be challenging to service if it's got problems. The mechanism in the AMI works much differently than the Wurlitzer jukes that you 're used to. Unless it was well cared for, chances are the mechanism will need to be cleaned and oiled, and the amplifier will need to be re-capped. Several other people on this forum are better qualified to answer AMI service questions than I am. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Fix your credit report today. Click here for fast and effective programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9KJQ3p6128NMdCvzV5ZwWwHb92hHFhevY4cjDiEhyt8aHls/ From 19k20 at comcast.net Thu Nov 20 21:28:07 2008 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Thu Nov 20 21:29:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion In-Reply-To: <20081121.000609.15956.2@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081121.000609.15956.2@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <000a01c94b99$f02d9b50$d088d1f0$@net> Thanks for the info Jim. I am kind of excited about a little different look than the 60's era Wurli's I have. Update on the 2710. Played around with the selector tonight. I think it is just dirty and misaligned. Once I manually tripped the selector, the pin popped and the selector scanned to the correct location. Now if I could only figure out why the loading arms swill not retract completely into the rest position. The carousel will not scan with the arms up in the way. The 544 amp is shot. Nothing but buzzing when the speakers are hooked up. I am going to hook up the 545 from the 3010 tomorrow night and see if it will play a song. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:06 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion The AMI G 200 is a 1956 model 200 select machine. It doesn't have the collectable $$ value that the later 50's and 60's H thru K AMI models do. If you are getting it for a good price (sounds like you are) and it's in reasonably good condition, you can't go too far wrong. The AMI G features a 2 way horn loaded speaker system which makes it capable of higher audio output than conventional speaker systems, driven by 25 watts of power. This speaker system will work best in larger rooms, where you have a hard (not carpeted) floor beneath the jukebox cabinet. The selection write-in system uses a stepper-switch (pulse converter) system that can be challenging to service if it's got problems. The mechanism in the AMI works much differently than the Wurlitzer jukes that you 're used to. Unless it was well cared for, chances are the mechanism will need to be cleaned and oiled, and the amplifier will need to be re-capped. Several other people on this forum are better qualified to answer AMI service questions than I am. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Fix your credit report today. Click here for fast and effective programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9KJQ3p6128NMdCvzV5ZwWwH b92hHFhevY4cjDiEhyt8aHls/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 21 08:40:23 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 21 08:42:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Cartridge conversion Message-ID: <20081121.114023.5742.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Hello Rich: RE: Your 2710: If the record-raising arms are pressed up against the record basket, the mech is probably stuck in the "play" sequence. The timing cam and/or switching setup on the changer itself will not let the unit cycle forward until you locate the source of the malfunction and correct it. The mech. being locked up like this should not stop you from establishing credits or entering new selections through the keyboard. One thing to check----there is a record-loading switch,below the changer deck at the front of the machine. This is a steel lever, that will raise the selector crank arms to clear the pins on the drum. This allows the record drum to "freewheel" for the loading of records.. ..If engaged, it will shut off the mech motor circuit. On the side of the selector drum chassis (access from the back) there is a slide switch marked "Service" on-off. This should be in the off position for the mech to run. The mech needs to be reasonably clean and properly lubricated to function well. Old grease will cake up and cause problems. Many of the mechanical operating functions on the changer mech have adjustment functions to compensate for parts wear,misalignment etc. The 544 chassis is more than a 2 ch amplifier, the 3 power supplies to run the keyboard and mech are located here. The hum problem you described could be caused by a bad tube,or it could be more involved. For an amp of this age, it's normal to re-cap/rebuild it. Substituting your 545 amp that is known to be working should help reveal and narrow down the trouble symptoms. Pls. get a hold of a 2700 or 2800 service manual-----it will answer a lot of your questions that are too lengthy to discuss in greater detail here. Service manuals can be bought at Always Jukin', (web:www.alwaysjuke@aol.com) Victory Glass,(web: www.victoryglass.com) A-1 Nostalgia (web:www.jukeboxusa.com). Many times, used copies can be found on E Bay at a discount. (on www.EBay.com, go to collectibles, Wurlitzer jukeboxes) Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Security Camera for your small business. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8qFhE3kaTCiSApzFLeVe0TdvIYLm6Ub9lmlyiXdY5gkUVN0/ From lasercr at comcast.net Tue Nov 18 21:33:38 2008 From: lasercr at comcast.net (Jack Kosinski) Date: Fri Nov 21 09:46:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Service manual for Pioneer cj-v55 laser juke Message-ID: <8D7DEE0556EC4773A13EBF1D4488D14E@XPH22929> Hi Mike My name is Jack Kosinski I have a CJ-55 Pioneer Laser Juke and I would like to purchase a service manual..Please advise if you are interested in selling a manual, or making a copy of it and I would pay you.. Thanks From gibson510 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 21 10:07:07 2008 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Fri Nov 21 10:08:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome plating Message-ID: The topic of who to send things out to for chroming always has mixed reviews. MY opinion is that speed sport "USED" to do quality work. The last C parts i sent came back with flake and bits peeling. There was metal "dust" in the paper when I unrolled it, which is totally unacceptable for the price of the work. I have a guy I found locally, (who also does Harley parts) but is renown in the biker community. He just chromed some grille rods on a 61 Wurlitzer I'm restoring. They are beautiful! He is meticulous and extreme detail oriented. He makes reproduction Pro Sports trophies too. If you want to contact him, here is the link. His Name is Bruce and he owns BAR Plating in Middletown, CT. http://barchromeplating.com/Contact.html Rick _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 From pinball at telus.net Fri Nov 21 10:19:14 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Nov 21 10:20:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Service manual for Pioneer cj-v55 laser juke In-Reply-To: <8D7DEE0556EC4773A13EBF1D4488D14E@XPH22929> References: <8D7DEE0556EC4773A13EBF1D4488D14E@XPH22929> Message-ID: <4926FBA2.1040401@telus.net> Jack Kosinski wrote: > Hi Mike > > My name is Jack Kosinski > > I have a CJ-55 Pioneer Laser Juke and I would like to purchase a service manual..Please advise if you are interested in selling a manual, or making a copy of it and I would pay you.. Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > I have the factory service manual for the Pioneer CD jukebox but it consists of many large fold out schematics - with coloured lines! This could be very expensive to copy. Email me with the section info that you need and I will price that for you. I have not scanned this in as the pages are larger than 11 X 17". John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From drjukebox at gmail.com Fri Nov 21 11:02:25 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Fri Nov 21 11:03:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome plating In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3154d3690811211102t728d26e0je2252fed0874fa50@mail.gmail.com> Craig Behrman doesn't do any work himself but subcontracts to the multitude of chrome shops in the Houston area. A buddy of mine had the brilliant idea of saving money through bypassing Craig and go directly to the Mexicans. A year later with none or little work performed and several pieces lost I think he understood Craig's pricing better. ;o) I am surprised it is always Courtesy and Speed&Sports that are mentioned here. There must be a thousand chrome shops in the US. The wisdom here used to be that many shops don't like the pot metal used in jukeboxes. And biker shops would have dirty baths from doing too many exhausts. Jens On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:07 PM, rick murray wrote: > > The topic of who to send things out to for chroming always has mixed > reviews. MY opinion is that speed sport "USED" to do quality work. The last > C parts i sent came back with flake and bits peeling. There was metal "dust" > in the paper when I unrolled it, which is totally unacceptable for the price > of the work. I have a guy I found locally, (who also does Harley parts) but > is renown in the biker community. He just chromed some grille rods on a 61 > Wurlitzer I'm restoring. They are beautiful! He is meticulous and extreme > detail oriented. He makes reproduction Pro Sports trophies too. If you want > to contact him, here is the link. His Name is Bruce and he owns BAR Plating > in Middletown, CT. > > http://barchromeplating.com/Contact.html > > > Rick > > _________________________________________________________________ > Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious > email. > > http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 21 12:25:34 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 21 12:27:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome plating Message-ID: <20081121.152534.26274.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: There are probably hundreds of success and failure stories that can be told about working with metal platers in the restoration of a jukebox. If you know of a local firm that does good work for you, stick with them and patronize them. It's all about the quality of service rendered ,and the attention paid to detail. Another factor is the condition of the casting that you are having plated. In the Atlanta GA area, I've located a metals company that specializes in restoring architectural steel, brass, chrome, bronze, nickel,etc. They've done consisently good work at slightly higher prices than the national advertisers.I'll be glad to share the company name with you if you want it. On a few occasions, I've shipped parts off to the two companies that advertise in the jukebox mags with decent results. My only gripes are these companies will not communicate with you first,if you've sent them a casting that's in poor shape----they'll plate it anyway and just hope for the best. Also,in recent times, the cost of packing/shipping bigger steel pieces has gotten more expensive. I've gone to 2 local companies with plating projects that support the custom motorcycle/ auto parts business. One of the shopowners told me that he regarded the pot metal castings as an inferior product and more difficult to work with, compared to the heavy guage steels they were used to , but they did a nice polishing & plating job for me. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Get educated. Click here for Adult Education programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9fZOSYBM4eMBK9m9McGMOaBeVxpqjEEjXmv0ZCULjYX8Vae/ From wbabbott at verizon.net Fri Nov 21 15:23:27 2008 From: wbabbott at verizon.net (Britt Abbott) Date: Fri Nov 21 16:25:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] chrome plating Message-ID: <2125167763.1785951227309807805.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> My experience is limited to some Rockola 1448 pieces I sent to Courtesy Chrome out in the Chicago area. The guys at Courtesy were easy to deal with and very fair in pricing considering high price of chroming with very good results. The number of Chrome shops have shrunk dramatically over the past couple of decades due to EPA and State/Local regulation as there's alot of toxic byproducts in the plating biz. Britt On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 1:07 PM, rick murray wrote: > The topic of who to send things out to for chroming always has mixed reviews. MY opinion is that speed sport "USED" to do quality work. The last C parts i sent came back with flake and bits peeling. There was metal "dust" in the paper when I unrolled it, which is totally unacceptable for the price of the work. I have a guy I found locally, (who also does Harley parts) but is renown in the biker community. He just chromed some grille rods on a 61 Wurlitzer I'm restoring. They are beautiful! He is meticulous and extreme detail oriented. He makes reproduction Pro Sports trophies too.? If you want to contact him, here is the link. His Name is Bruce and he owns BAR Plating in Middletown, CT. http://barchromeplating.com/Contact.html ? Rick _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 ? ?_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 16:31:56 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Nov 21 16:33:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurl 2310 Help Please Message-ID: <734423.14885.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, I am having troubles with a Wurl 2310---It will credit fine, but the selection buttons lock down. and the keyboard release button won't work, nor will the selector motor run. However, sometimes the two lamps will light in the junction box will light, at which time I can turn the motor by hand, and it will release a pin-- All ideas will be entertained, as?I am about out of them for now-- TIA ! Ron Rich From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Nov 21 21:10:41 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Nov 21 21:13:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurl 2310 Help Please Message-ID: <20081122.001041.15704.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Hi Ron: With the 2310 symptoms you're describing, the most common problem is caused by an unmade circuit (i.e. open connection) on the keyboard ,the selector drum, or the wiring in between. I am assuming that your 2310 does not have the stepper chassis installed. Here's where I'd look if I were you: I'm following your problem using a 2400 service manual. This is the closest I have to the 2300 manual. My page reference numbers might be off. (easiest fix) check for blown 8/10 amp fuse in number coils circuit. (on junc. box) (a common problem) the number-letter latch switches on the keyboard See P12 Item F Fig 29 check and clean contacts. See P72 for switch locations & parts ID. (a less likely problem) open contacts #3 and 4 or 5 and 6 on relay #TR-2 in junction box. See P76 for location & ID. (doesn't happen frequently--but will cause symptom you are describing) a mechanical problem----Letter coil plunger stuck between rocker arms in junction box make mech adjustment of start switch and number switches See P13-14 for description see P 76 for parts location & ID. Follow the 2410 functional schematic on P53-54. Full schematic on P55-56. Let me know how it works out, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Lose up to 20 lbs in one month with a new diet. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8hZzRmYdqqVoRYkuyqAGvgSKR37QXHk7wPcxAtNPaPfUUwu/ From drjukebox at gmail.com Fri Nov 21 23:15:23 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Fri Nov 21 23:16:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurl 2310 Help Please In-Reply-To: <20081122.001041.15704.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081122.001041.15704.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690811212315k70fcc327w827b45dcfb00d0c8@mail.gmail.com> Blown heat fuse on the motor? Last time I had that problem it was a wiring problem - inside the harness where it leaves the junction box. Intermittent, too. That sucjker took a while to figure out. Jens On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:10 AM, James Alexander wrote: > > Hi Ron: > With the 2310 symptoms you're describing, the most common problem is caused > by an unmade circuit (i.e. open connection) on the keyboard ,the selector > drum, or the wiring in between. I am assuming that your 2310 does not have > the stepper chassis installed. > Here's where I'd look if I were you: > I'm following your problem using a 2400 service manual. This is the closest > I have to the 2300 manual. My page reference numbers might be off. > (easiest fix) check for blown 8/10 amp fuse in number coils circuit. (on > junc. box) > (a common problem) the number-letter latch switches on the keyboard > See P12 Item F Fig 29 check and clean contacts. > See P72 for switch locations & parts ID. > (a less likely problem) open contacts #3 and 4 or 5 and 6 on relay #TR-2 > in junction box. See P76 for location & ID. > (doesn't happen frequently--but will cause symptom you are describing) > a mechanical problem----Letter coil plunger > stuck between rocker arms in junction box make mech adjustment of start > switch and number switches See P13-14 for description see P 76 for > parts location & ID. > Follow the 2410 functional schematic on P53-54. Full schematic on P55-56. > Let me know how it works out, > Jim Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > Lose up to 20 lbs in one month with a new diet. Click here. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8hZzRmYdqqVoRYkuyqAGvgSKR37QXHk7wPcxAtNPaPfUUwu/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From 19k20 at comcast.net Sat Nov 22 10:27:20 2008 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sat Nov 22 10:28:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G200 In-Reply-To: References: <20081105.003116.26967.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <002601c94ccf$f54104b0$dfc30e10$@net> Hey all.....very excited about the new juke. Sounds great. Looks great. Plays....very well. Sometimes when you make a selection, the solenoids to the left of the gray gear box in the front, need a little push down on the plate that rides the top of them to get the drum turning. Not everytime, every once in awhile. I have put up pics on http://myersjukes.mine.nu for your enjoyment. Rich From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 10:34:18 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Nov 22 10:40:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G200 In-Reply-To: <002601c94ccf$f54104b0$dfc30e10$@net> Message-ID: <622245.3798.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Rich, It looks good--What's with the "key" pix ? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G200 To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 10:27 AM Hey all.....very excited about the new juke. Sounds great. Looks great. Plays....very well. Sometimes when you make a selection, the solenoids to the left of the gray gear box in the front, need a little push down on the plate that rides the top of them to get the drum turning. Not everytime, every once in awhile. I have put up pics on http://myersjukes.mine.nu for your enjoyment. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Sat Nov 22 11:00:22 2008 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sat Nov 22 11:01:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G200 In-Reply-To: <622245.3798.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <002601c94ccf$f54104b0$dfc30e10$@net> <622245.3798.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701c94cd4$93572770$ba057650$@net> Thanks Ron. Don't know why the juke key is there. I guess I was looking for one at one time and somehow copied the picture into this folder. Was this model originally a blue exterior with yellow, glittered interior, or, is this a repaint? Not that it matters, just curious. I would like to find a cash bag so when my kids put dimes in, they have someplace to go that's not the floor of the box. Anyone have any leads on a cash bag.....let me know Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 12:34 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI G200 Hi Rich, It looks good--What's with the "key" pix ? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G200 To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 10:27 AM Hey all.....very excited about the new juke. Sounds great. Looks great. Plays....very well. Sometimes when you make a selection, the solenoids to the left of the gray gear box in the front, need a little push down on the plate that rides the top of them to get the drum turning. Not everytime, every once in awhile. I have put up pics on http://myersjukes.mine.nu for your enjoyment. Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From joe400f at shaw.ca Sat Nov 22 12:06:23 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sat Nov 22 12:07:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G200 References: <002601c94ccf$f54104b0$dfc30e10$@net> <622245.3798.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <002701c94cd4$93572770$ba057650$@net> Message-ID: <000601c94cdd$cb5db810$939f4f18@compaq> Rich, The AMI G200 does not use a cash bag. It uses a coin box. It slides into place and contains a felt type liner on the inside to muffle the sound of the coins when they fall in. One of your pictures shows that you have the cabinet manual. I have one also. Its in section #1 part number L-1271 " coin box assembly " also F5212 " felt pad liner ". Your also missing F-5203 " coin guide ". You can make your own liner pad easily. Your picture of your juke #7 shows where your missing parts should install. Most of us in the hobby like our jukes to be complete as possible. Contact: www.jukeboxparts.com John Durfee www.jukebox-parts.com Bill Butterfield www.jukebox-junkyard.com Roy Dean These are the 3 big used parts sellers. Joey McDonald From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 13:27:06 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Nov 22 13:28:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G200 In-Reply-To: <002601c94ccf$f54104b0$dfc30e10$@net> Message-ID: <350535.32717.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > I have put up pics on http://myersjukes.mine.nu for your > enjoyment. That's a nice clean machine. Reminds me that I really need to restore mine. I've only been "keeping it going" since I bought it, and it was brought in from a location just a few months before the operator sold it to me. Is the trim on the record changer really painted bright yellow, or is that just an artifact of the ambient lighting when you took the picture? From jeremy at dwave.net Sat Nov 22 14:34:43 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sat Nov 22 14:36:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G200 In-Reply-To: <002601c94ccf$f54104b0$dfc30e10$@net> References: <20081105.003116.26967.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> <002601c94ccf$f54104b0$dfc30e10$@net> Message-ID: <20081122223152.M36594@dwave.net> That's a nice purchase Rich. I like the yellow interior - very clean. Nice job on getting another addition the "family". Jeremy Agema On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:27:20 -0600, Ssg Rich Myers wrote > Hey all.....very excited about the new juke. Sounds great. Looks great. > Plays....very well. Sometimes when you make a selection, the > solenoids to the left of the gray gear box in the front, need a > little push down on the plate that rides the top of them to get the > drum turning. Not everytime, every once in awhile. > > I have put up pics on http://myersjukes.mine.nu for your enjoyment. > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Nov 22 16:41:25 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Nov 22 16:44:20 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G200 Message-ID: <20081122.194125.18196.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Rich: The AMI G200 looks like it's in nice condition. Either it's been well-preserved,or a previous owner may have rehabbed it at some point in it's life. Enjoy! You talked about sound quality at some point----You should be getting a "big-throated" nice sound out of your 60's Wurlitzers that's reasonably close to the AMI sound, especially at moderate volume levels. If not, somethings' amiss. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to lower your debt and consolidate your monthly expenses. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9KZa5cEFzKQNod1spaOmR8R3AHQJOa45PO1wHPGI61aUF4K/ From 19k20 at comcast.net Sun Nov 23 04:33:53 2008 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sun Nov 23 04:35:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G200 In-Reply-To: <20081122.194125.18196.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081122.194125.18196.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <000801c94d67$c021ca60$40655f20$@net> It was rehabbed about 15 years ago. He did paint the record changer trim bright yellow. He also added some glitter :-( to the player mech. My wife thinks it looks very 'disco'e I have vacuumed much of it off the player mech. The sound is good, I think it would sound much "deeper" if I moved it off the carpet and on to a solid surface. I think most of the bass is ported down the back of the box. The carpet is absorbing much of it. Still not bad though. Is there a way to tighten up the selector mech in the back? Seems when I use the drum button on the front....the player is off by one selection when I try to play. I can spin it around and tweak the selector back to the correct pin, but don't want to do that every time. I have A1 marked, so it is easy to find...just annoying. Thanks for all the positive comments. -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 6:41 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] AMI G200 Rich: The AMI G200 looks like it's in nice condition. Either it's been well-preserved,or a previous owner may have rehabbed it at some point in it's life. Enjoy! You talked about sound quality at some point----You should be getting a "big-throated" nice sound out of your 60's Wurlitzers that's reasonably close to the AMI sound, especially at moderate volume levels. If not, somethings' amiss. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to lower your debt and consolidate your monthly expenses. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9KZa5cEFzKQNod1spaOmR8R 3AHQJOa45PO1wHPGI61aUF4K/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 06:54:55 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Nov 23 06:56:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G200 In-Reply-To: <000801c94d67$c021ca60$40655f20$@net> Message-ID: <490437.85242.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Ssg Rich Myers <19k20@comcast.net> wrote: > The sound is good, I think it would sound much > "deeper" if I moved it off > the carpet and on to a solid surface. I think most of the > bass is ported down the back of the box. The carpet > is absorbing much of it. Have you adjusted the bass control on the amplifier? It's a three-position switch. At the far right position there is a lot of bass. Way too much for my taste, but I've never had it on a carpeted floor. I keep it in the mid position usually, and the treble control all the way to the right. > Is there a way to tighten up the selector mech in the back? > Seems when I > use the drum button on the front....the player is off by > one selection when I try to play. The proper way to adjust this it to loosen the pin pusher assembly (that's what the manual calls it) clamp where it clamps to the shaft, select A1 and let selector cycle and push the pin (or miss it as the case may be :-) ), then hold down the sprag relay armature in the pulse converter in front, and GENTLY turn the pusher assembly until the odd pusher lever is centered over the A1 pin. Tighten the assembly slightly so it won't slip. Then select the opposite pin (E2?) and see if the even pusher lever ends up centered over that pin. If not, adjust the lever assembly to a compromise position. If you can't get it to hit both odd and even pins you can gently bend one or the other lever to line it up. Once it's reliably hitting both odd and even pins, tighten it down again but not too tight. Be very careful with the shaft that the pusher assembly rotates on. It's very thin brass and I have nightmares about trying to find a replacement for that if it becomes twisted or bent. If your machine is constantly going out of alignment, the pusher assembly may not be clamped down on the shaft (it should be held in place with an Allen head bold and square nut), and/or the assembly may be hitting the back of the cabinet when it rotates. I always clamp the record changer down in the cabinet so that the wing nuts are just at the point on the forks they clamp to where the forks start to splay out, which is about 1/4" forward from the full-back position of the record changer on its rack. Just to be safe. From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Nov 23 08:15:29 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Nov 23 08:16:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe JBM & 1100 mech question possibly for an operator of the time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005201c94d86$b41c4dc0$1c54e940$@force9.co.uk> I've been involved repairing this mech since the early 80's, but something has always puzzled me and I wonder if there is anyone out there who was commercially involved with it in the 60's who can answer me this question. It's been bugging me for a while and I'm curious if there are any service bulletins on it. Anyway, here we go:- The JEL and JBM Tropicana shared the same variant of the 1100 mech. The JAL beforehand was a little different, and the JAO Diplomat and mechs beyond that marginally different too. I have a few of these mechanisms, and up to and including the Tropicana had a 60rpm carousel motor. The later JAO onwards all had an 80rpm motor, hence a faster and smoother carousel turn. A year or so ago I swapped my 60rpm for a faster 80 rpm. Since then I have noticed every now and again it will get to the selected record, and jump one past it and play another. It is NOTHING to do with the usual suspects (cam switches, detent solenoid, stopping switches etc.) . This problem is down to installing the faster motor. I have returned to the slower one and once again everything is perfect. My question is this:- The JAO onwards had a different camshaft arrangement whereby the switch that transfers from the 'hot' side of the stopping switch to a steady DC supply actually activates itself FAR earlier than it does on the earlier mechs. I believe there must have been a modification made here when the faster motor was installed, to cure the occasional record jumping problem. (due to the control relay R momentarily dropping out before its supply is stabilised). I have studied this for weeks, months now, and hope someone can concur with my thoughts. I imagine there would have been a bulletin (or modification to earlier mechs), as Rowe were pretty good at these updates. Any ideas - I just want someone to agree with me, or have experienced this as a commercial problem years ago. Many thanks Nigel, UK From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Sun Nov 23 08:14:34 2008 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Sun Nov 23 08:36:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G200 References: <20081122.194125.18196.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> <000801c94d67$c021ca60$40655f20$@net> Message-ID: Rich: The G-200 is one of my favorite sounding machines when the amp is redone properly and speakers up to snuff it is awsome sounding. You are on the right track about the carpet on the floor a customer bought one from us many years ago just by the sound in our shop, when he got it home he said it did not sound as good. The first thing we asked was is the machine sitting on carpet, he said yes. We told him just put the machine on a piece of plywood or hard surface. WA-LAA super sound.. Just try it you will be amazed. As for the cash box I think I have one just give me a call. Roy It's the support of the REPUTABLE DEALERS by loyal customers who keep the HOBBY alive. The Jukebox Junkyard p.o. box 338 Lizella, Ga. 31052 USA 678-833-5749 www.jukebox-junkyard.com 9--5 EST Mon--Fri From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 10:31:51 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Nov 23 10:33:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe JBM & 1100 mech question possibly for an operator of the time In-Reply-To: <005201c94d86$b41c4dc0$1c54e940$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <411819.28973.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Nigel, Thanks, you have inadvertently answered a question that has been in my mind for a number of years ! Some time go, I worked on a JAL (or maybe a JEL) mech that would jump ahead one space every so often. I had no idea that there were two different speed motors, but I do remember noticing that the motor was obviously much cleaner then the rest of the mech. I wound up having to leave it to jump--but only maybe one out of 100 times? I think that that may confirm your theory? --at least that's the best I can do--Ron Rich --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe JBM & 1100 mech question possibly for an operator of the time To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com, jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 8:15 AM I've been involved repairing this mech since the early 80's, but something has always puzzled me and I wonder if there is anyone out there who was commercially involved with it in the 60's who can answer me this question. It's been bugging me for a while and I'm curious if there are any service bulletins on it. Anyway, here we go:- The JEL and JBM Tropicana shared the same variant of the 1100 mech. The JAL beforehand was a little different, and the JAO Diplomat and mechs beyond that marginally different too. I have a few of these mechanisms, and up to and including the Tropicana had a 60rpm carousel motor. The later JAO onwards all had an 80rpm motor, hence a faster and smoother carousel turn. A year or so ago I swapped my 60rpm for a faster 80 rpm. Since then I have noticed every now and again it will get to the selected record, and jump one past it and play another. It is NOTHING to do with the usual suspects (cam switches, detent solenoid, stopping switches etc.) . This problem is down to installing the faster motor. I have returned to the slower one and once again everything is perfect. My question is this:- The JAO onwards had a different camshaft arrangement whereby the switch that transfers from the 'hot' side of the stopping switch to a steady DC supply actually activates itself FAR earlier than it does on the earlier mechs. I believe there must have been a modification made here when the faster motor was installed, to cure the occasional record jumping problem. (due to the control relay R momentarily dropping out before its supply is stabilised). I have studied this for weeks, months now, and hope someone can concur with my thoughts. I imagine there would have been a bulletin (or modification to earlier mechs), as Rowe were pretty good at these updates. Any ideas - I just want someone to agree with me, or have experienced this as a commercial problem years ago. Many thanks Nigel, UK _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Nov 23 10:49:39 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Nov 23 10:50:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe JBM & 1100 mech question possibly for an operator of the time In-Reply-To: <411819.28973.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <005201c94d86$b41c4dc0$1c54e940$@force9.co.uk> <411819.28973.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006501c94d9c$3dabdc80$b9039580$@force9.co.uk> It's all starting to make sense now then Ron ;-) I'm glad I'm not the only one here. I guess in your case if the motor was clean, then its likely it was swapped, and as the 80rpm motor was the one in use through the rest of that mechs production, then the chances are it was one of the faster ones, thus giving you the same problem as me. Like you say, it was unpredictable, so almost impossible to diagnose. And when it did happen you'd have to have your eyes everywhere and your meter clipped in everywhere! Now Ive gone back to the slower motor it's been perfect for weeks. (and it never happened before with the slower motor either). Tell you, I've studied the schematics till I'm blue in the face. It happens because the mech control relay temporarily drops out, causing power back to the magazine motor for a small amount of time. Looks like from the JAO onwards, the cam assembly had this switch activate far earlier, and my theory is its to do with the faster motor, as this modified switch arrangement and the fast motor replaced the older arrangement. The only visible indication on the motor is 80rpm or 60rpm stamped in next to the 24v stamp. Externally they are 100% identical. I feel it's a discovery we've made too late here Ron :-), but its been niggling at me for years. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 23 November 2008 18:32 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rowe JBM & 1100 mech question possibly for an operator of the time Hi Nigel, Thanks, you have inadvertently answered a question that has been in my mind for a number of years ! Some time go, I worked on a JAL (or maybe a JEL) mech that would jump ahead one space every so often. I had no idea that there were two different speed motors, but I do remember noticing that the motor was obviously much cleaner then the rest of the mech. I wound up having to leave it to jump--but only maybe one out of 100 times? I think that that may confirm your theory? --at least that's the best I can do--Ron Rich --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Nigel Pugh wrote: From: Nigel Pugh Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe JBM & 1100 mech question possibly for an operator of the time To: bjoforum@yahoogroups.com, jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 8:15 AM I've been involved repairing this mech since the early 80's, but something has always puzzled me and I wonder if there is anyone out there who was commercially involved with it in the 60's who can answer me this question. It's been bugging me for a while and I'm curious if there are any service bulletins on it. Anyway, here we go:- The JEL and JBM Tropicana shared the same variant of the 1100 mech. The JAL beforehand was a little different, and the JAO Diplomat and mechs beyond that marginally different too. I have a few of these mechanisms, and up to and including the Tropicana had a 60rpm carousel motor. The later JAO onwards all had an 80rpm motor, hence a faster and smoother carousel turn. A year or so ago I swapped my 60rpm for a faster 80 rpm. Since then I have noticed every now and again it will get to the selected record, and jump one past it and play another. It is NOTHING to do with the usual suspects (cam switches, detent solenoid, stopping switches etc.) . This problem is down to installing the faster motor. I have returned to the slower one and once again everything is perfect. My question is this:- The JAO onwards had a different camshaft arrangement whereby the switch that transfers from the 'hot' side of the stopping switch to a steady DC supply actually activates itself FAR earlier than it does on the earlier mechs. I believe there must have been a modification made here when the faster motor was installed, to cure the occasional record jumping problem. (due to the control relay R momentarily dropping out before its supply is stabilised). I have studied this for weeks, months now, and hope someone can concur with my thoughts. I imagine there would have been a bulletin (or modification to earlier mechs), as Rowe were pretty good at these updates. Any ideas - I just want someone to agree with me, or have experienced this as a commercial problem years ago. Many thanks Nigel, UK _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Nov 23 16:19:39 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sun Nov 23 16:20:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JA0 200 Message-ID: <6A5CA78786F5476687B3F30B7A2A79CE@home1903> Hello to everyone, I was wondering what your opinions are on the AMI JAO 200 and how difficult it would be to work on? I don't have much information yet so I don't know what's wrong with it. Thanks so much, Jackie Dancin' Out From ccos at knology.net Sun Nov 23 16:38:34 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Sun Nov 23 16:39:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JA0 200 In-Reply-To: <6A5CA78786F5476687B3F30B7A2A79CE@home1903> References: <6A5CA78786F5476687B3F30B7A2A79CE@home1903> Message-ID: Jackie, I think they're pretty easy. Most of the mech, credit and selection system is the same or very similar on lots and lots of other Rowe models. I have two in the shop now that nothing at all worked on when I got em a month or so ago, and one of em is on ebay already, ready to go. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "etreble7" To: Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JA0 200 Hello to everyone, I was wondering what your opinions are on the AMI JAO 200 and how difficult it would be to work on? I don't have much information yet so I don't know what's wrong with it. Thanks so much, Jackie Dancin' Out _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 23 20:05:05 2008 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Sun Nov 23 20:12:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JA0 200 In-Reply-To: <6A5CA78786F5476687B3F30B7A2A79CE@home1903> References: <6A5CA78786F5476687B3F30B7A2A79CE@home1903> Message-ID: Hi Jackie, that was my first juke. very good sound and pretty reliable, and like what Karl posted, lots of parts available. I have a JAN200 (the model before the JAO) for ale, all rebuilt, $800 takes it (plus NAVL shipping of around $400 back east...I'm on the west coast), they look almost the same, just the front door is different and the JAO is prewired for the new wallette wallbox with the built-in spkrs. Rick. ----- Original Message ----- From: etreble7 To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:19 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JA0 200 Hello to everyone, I was wondering what your opinions are on the AMI JAO 200 and how difficult it would be to work on? I don't have much information yet so I don't know what's wrong with it. Thanks so much, Jackie Dancin' Out _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dvachon at teksavvy.com Sun Nov 23 23:01:54 2008 From: dvachon at teksavvy.com (dvachon) Date: Sun Nov 23 23:17:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JA0 200 Message-ID: Hi, While we're on the subject, does anyone have a search unit circuit board for the jan model they would like to sell? Thanks, Doug -----Original message----- From: "Rick Force" flashbk13@hotmail.com Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:05:05 -0500 To: "Jukebox mailing list" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI JA0 200 > Hi Jackie, > that was my first juke. very good sound and pretty reliable, and like what Karl posted, lots of parts available. I have a JAN200 (the model before the JAO) for ale, all rebuilt, $800 takes it (plus NAVL shipping of around $400 back east...I'm on the west coast), they look almost the same, just the front door is different and the JAO is prewired for the new wallette wallbox with the built-in spkrs. Rick. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: etreble7 > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:19 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JA0 200 > > > Hello to everyone, > I was wondering what your opinions are on the AMI JAO 200 and how difficult it would be to work on? I don't have much information yet so I don't know what's wrong with it. Thanks so much, > Jackie > Dancin' Out > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 24 00:22:52 2008 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Mon Nov 24 00:24:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JA0 200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All I have is the almost complete stopping assy. rick. ----- Original Message ----- From: dvachon To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI JA0 200 Hi, While we're on the subject, does anyone have a search unit circuit board for the jan model they would like to sell? Thanks, Doug -----Original message----- From: "Rick Force" flashbk13@hotmail.com Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:05:05 -0500 To: "Jukebox mailing list" jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI JA0 200 > Hi Jackie, > that was my first juke. very good sound and pretty reliable, and like what Karl posted, lots of parts available. I have a JAN200 (the model before the JAO) for ale, all rebuilt, $800 takes it (plus NAVL shipping of around $400 back east...I'm on the west coast), they look almost the same, just the front door is different and the JAO is prewired for the new wallette wallbox with the built-in spkrs. Rick. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: etreble7> > To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:19 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JA0 200 > > > Hello to everyone, > I was wondering what your opinions are on the AMI JAO 200 and how difficult it would be to work on? I don't have much information yet so I don't know what's wrong with it. Thanks so much, > Jackie > Dancin' Out > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Nov 24 05:16:54 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 24 05:22:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 Message-ID: I'm looking for a service switch(scan-stop-play) switch for a JAL.It might be the same part on the later Rowes as well. Mines broken in several pieces.The juke is one one of my future projects in the garage but I couldn't resist when I got the juke for less than $100. J.C. In a message dated 11/24/2008 2:17:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dvachon@teksavvy.com writes: Hi, While we're on the subject, does anyone have a search unit circuit board for the jan model they would like to sell? Thanks, **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) From ccos at knology.net Mon Nov 24 06:05:21 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Nov 24 06:06:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 References: Message-ID: <1E61577900464122BE7D001DD2B3E744@home31b34d4856> J.C. I have one for an R-74 but I don't know how similar it would be. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:16 AM Subject: Re:[Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 > > I'm looking for a service switch(scan-stop-play) switch for a JAL.It might > be the same part on the later Rowes as well. Mines broken in several > pieces.The > juke is one one of my future projects in the garage but I couldn't > resist > when I got the juke for less than $100. > > J.C. > > > In a message dated 11/24/2008 2:17:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dvachon@teksavvy.com writes: > > Hi, While we're on the subject, does anyone have a search unit circuit > board > for the jan model they would like to sell? > Thanks, > > > > > **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social > networks, > and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com > today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp > %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From etreble7 at verizon.net Mon Nov 24 05:07:20 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Mon Nov 24 06:10:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JA0 200 References: <6A5CA78786F5476687B3F30B7A2A79CE@home1903> Message-ID: Thanks for the info, I copied the response from the owner below, I asked for more information on the Juke. Reading it, what do you think of the Tone Arm being broken, are they available? Again......thanks so much! Jackie (I am excited to have an AMI, one I don't own yet) "Yes the jukebox worked fine when my husband brought it home. When we had a party with some young kids, someone bent the arm of the record player (it plays 45's). We never bothered to have it fixed and now we're moving. It is in our basement and it is heavy but there is a sliding door from the basement to outside so it does not need to be moved up steps. A cart of some kind would probably be helpful." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Force" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI JA0 200 Hi Jackie, that was my first juke. very good sound and pretty reliable, and like what Karl posted, lots of parts available. I have a JAN200 (the model before the JAO) for ale, all rebuilt, $800 takes it (plus NAVL shipping of around $400 back east...I'm on the west coast), they look almost the same, just the front door is different and the JAO is prewired for the new wallette wallbox with the built-in spkrs. Rick. ----- Original Message ----- From: etreble7 To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:19 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JA0 200 Hello to everyone, I was wondering what your opinions are on the AMI JAO 200 and how difficult it would be to work on? I don't have much information yet so I don't know what's wrong with it. Thanks so much, Jackie Dancin' Out _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From perkinsprima at yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 24 07:02:11 2008 From: perkinsprima at yahoo.co.uk (glyn morgan) Date: Mon Nov 24 07:10:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] nsm e160 Message-ID: <182328.7985.qm@web25301.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hi just brought 3 nsm e160 jukes in various states of repair. One was scanning up & down not selecting so i swapped (light sensor) sorry not sure of proper name but attaches to gear which pulls mech along rack. It scanned up & down rack a few times then started selecting records ok. Wouldnt move arm over enough for Bside which I sorted. Now it wont select again, When you first switch on mech is stationary or parks to right, selection made it starts scanning & shows 90A on display & keeps scanning. Is there a reset procedure when mech is taken off rack? Any ideas much appreciated thanks Glyn From johntrav at suddenlink.net Mon Nov 24 07:23:18 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Mon Nov 24 07:24:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 References: <1E61577900464122BE7D001DD2B3E744@home31b34d4856> Message-ID: Board's the same. On the JAx models with the keyboard on the door, inevitably someone would drop the door while opening it, causing the selector cable to break off the edge connector on the board. Someone made a post on this list awhile back listing a source for NOS boards. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "CCOS" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:05 AM Subject: Re: Re:[Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 > J.C. > > I have one for an R-74 but I don't know how similar it would be. > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S Lumpkin Rd > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706) 507-2963 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:16 AM > Subject: Re:[Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 > > >> >> I'm looking for a service switch(scan-stop-play) switch for a JAL.It >> might >> be the same part on the later Rowes as well. Mines broken in several >> pieces.The >> juke is one one of my future projects in the garage but I couldn't >> resist >> when I got the juke for less than $100. >> >> J.C. >> >> >> In a message dated 11/24/2008 2:17:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> dvachon@teksavvy.com writes: >> >> Hi, While we're on the subject, does anyone have a search unit circuit >> board >> for the jan model they would like to sell? >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> >> **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social >> networks, >> and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com >> today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp >> %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon Nov 24 10:05:21 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon Nov 24 10:14:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 In-Reply-To: References: <1E61577900464122BE7D001DD2B3E744@home31b34d4856> Message-ID: Nice to know that I'm not the only who has broken a board this way! LOL.. Durfee sells new boards for about $50 if I remember correctly. Thomas On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:23 AM, John Travelletti wrote: > Board's the same. On the JAx models with the keyboard on the door, > inevitably someone would drop the door while opening it, causing the > selector cable to break off the edge connector on the board. Someone made a > post on this list awhile back listing a source for NOS boards. > John > ----- Original Message ----- From: "CCOS" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:05 AM > Subject: Re: Re:[Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 > > > J.C. >> >> I have one for an R-74 but I don't know how similar it would be. >> >> Karl >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >> 2061 S Lumpkin Rd >> Columbus, GA 31903 >> (706) 507-2963 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:16 AM >> Subject: Re:[Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 >> >> >> >>> I'm looking for a service switch(scan-stop-play) switch for a JAL.It >>> might >>> be the same part on the later Rowes as well. Mines broken in several >>> pieces.The >>> juke is one one of my future projects in the garage but I couldn't >>> resist >>> when I got the juke for less than $100. >>> >>> J.C. >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 11/24/2008 2:17:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>> dvachon@teksavvy.com writes: >>> >>> Hi, While we're on the subject, does anyone have a search unit circuit >>> board >>> for the jan model they would like to sell? >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social >>> networks, >>> and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com >>> today!( >>> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp >>> %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From johntrav at suddenlink.net Mon Nov 24 13:14:46 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Mon Nov 24 13:16:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 References: <1E61577900464122BE7D001DD2B3E744@home31b34d4856> Message-ID: <92B717A50C18444DAD712F8D8B14D84E@JOHNTRAV> It happens to all of us! I speak from personal experience. Regarding the service switch, If it's the lever type, the same switch is used ast least thru the MM-6 model. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Teeter" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Re:[Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 > Nice to know that I'm not the only who has broken a board this way! LOL.. > Durfee sells new boards for about $50 if I remember correctly. > > Thomas > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:23 AM, John Travelletti > wrote: > >> Board's the same. On the JAx models with the keyboard on the door, >> inevitably someone would drop the door while opening it, causing the >> selector cable to break off the edge connector on the board. Someone made >> a >> post on this list awhile back listing a source for NOS boards. >> John >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "CCOS" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:05 AM >> Subject: Re: Re:[Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 >> >> >> J.C. >>> >>> I have one for an R-74 but I don't know how similar it would be. >>> >>> Karl >>> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >>> 2061 S Lumpkin Rd >>> Columbus, GA 31903 >>> (706) 507-2963 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: >>> To: >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:16 AM >>> Subject: Re:[Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 >>> >>> >>> >>>> I'm looking for a service switch(scan-stop-play) switch for a JAL.It >>>> might >>>> be the same part on the later Rowes as well. Mines broken in several >>>> pieces.The >>>> juke is one one of my future projects in the garage but I couldn't >>>> resist >>>> when I got the juke for less than $100. >>>> >>>> J.C. >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 11/24/2008 2:17:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>>> dvachon@teksavvy.com writes: >>>> >>>> Hi, While we're on the subject, does anyone have a search unit circuit >>>> board >>>> for the jan model they would like to sell? >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social >>>> networks, >>>> and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com >>>> today!( >>>> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp >>>> %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 24 13:16:30 2008 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Mon Nov 24 13:17:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JA0 200 In-Reply-To: <6A5CA78786F5476687B3F30B7A2A79CE@home1903> References: <6A5CA78786F5476687B3F30B7A2A79CE@home1903> Message-ID: Hi Jackie, the tone arm will be easy to find. Most parts suppliers should have one and they come up on ebay as well. rick ----- Original Message ----- From: etreble7 To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:07 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI JA0 200 Thanks for the info, I copied the response from the owner below, I asked for more information on the Juke. Reading it, what do you think of the Tone Arm being broken, are they available? Again......thanks so much! Jackie (I am excited to have an AMI, one I don't own yet) "Yes the jukebox worked fine when my husband brought it home. When we had a party with some young kids, someone bent the arm of the record player (it plays 45's). We never bothered to have it fixed and now we're moving. It is in our basement and it is heavy but there is a sliding door from the basement to outside so it does not need to be moved up steps. A cart of some kind would probably be helpful." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Force" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI JA0 200 Hi Jackie, that was my first juke. very good sound and pretty reliable, and like what Karl posted, lots of parts available. I have a JAN200 (the model before the JAO) for ale, all rebuilt, $800 takes it (plus NAVL shipping of around $400 back east...I'm on the west coast), they look almost the same, just the front door is different and the JAO is prewired for the new wallette wallbox with the built-in spkrs. Rick. ----- Original Message ----- From: etreble7> To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:19 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JA0 200 Hello to everyone, I was wondering what your opinions are on the AMI JAO 200 and how difficult it would be to work on? I don't have much information yet so I don't know what's wrong with it. Thanks so much, Jackie Dancin' Out _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list> _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From havok69 at verizon.net Mon Nov 24 12:22:35 2008 From: havok69 at verizon.net (Havok) Date: Mon Nov 24 13:24:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg STD160 Message-ID: <492B0D0B.4090903@verizon.net> Hi, I just picked up a Seeburg STD160 and am having a problem with it. The jukebox just plays each record in order, almost as if a panic box was installed. Is there any troubleshooting tips anyone out there can offer me? I will eventually pick up the troubleshooting manual, but for now I only have the installation and operation manual. Thanks in advance for any help! From pinball at telus.net Mon Nov 24 13:46:44 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Nov 24 13:47:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg STD160 In-Reply-To: <492B0D0B.4090903@verizon.net> References: <492B0D0B.4090903@verizon.net> Message-ID: <492B20C4.3060900@telus.net> Havok wrote: > > Hi, > > I just picked up a Seeburg STD160 and am having a problem with it. The > jukebox just plays each record in order, almost as if a panic box was > installed. Is there any troubleshooting tips anyone out there can > offer me? I will eventually pick up the troubleshooting manual, but > for now I only have the installation and operation manual. > > Thanks in advance for any help! > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > Someone either did the "Battery Test" or punched in all the songs. The easiest way to clear is to simply find and unplug the Tormat plug (RCA - Phone style plug), then cancel the sang playing and let the machine scan until it stops, then (just to be sure) make a selection, allow to scan twice to stop, then plug the Tormat RCA plug back in. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 15:36:11 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 24 15:37:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg STD160 In-Reply-To: <492B0D0B.4090903@verizon.net> Message-ID: <685338.34328.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Clean all 3 "Tormat" (RCA?type} plugs. One or more of the "Rings" is not making good contact. Check that the shield and one colored wire is firmly soldered to each ring. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Havok wrote: From: Havok Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg STD160 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 12:22 PM Hi, I just picked up a Seeburg STD160 and am having a problem with it. The jukebox just plays each record in order, almost as if a panic box was installed. Is there any troubleshooting tips anyone out there can offer me? I will eventually pick up the troubleshooting manual, but for now I only have the installation and operation manual. Thanks in advance for any help! _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jhuffer941 at aol.com Mon Nov 24 15:54:12 2008 From: jhuffer941 at aol.com (jhuffer941@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 24 16:01:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G 200 Message-ID: <8CB1CA715D949E2-948-1035@WEBMAIL-DG14.sim.aol.com> Hello, I had someone take the selector assembly from my AMI G 200 to work on and he will not call me back.? So I am afraid it is gone for good.? Does anyone have one around ?? Thanks James From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 16:25:46 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Nov 24 16:26:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G 200 In-Reply-To: <8CB1CA715D949E2-948-1035@WEBMAIL-DG14.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <813744.51437.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi James Sorry, I can't help you other than to tell you that if no one else here can, you should check with one or more of the following: John at,? www.jukeboxparts.com? Roy at jukeboxjunkyard@cox.net , or Bill at mffe@napanet.net I'll tell you a very short, true?story to cheer you up---- A number of years ago, an old lady ('bout 87) called me to fix her JB, which I had been fixing for years. Well this time the amp had troubles, so I told her that I had to remove it and run it through the shop. She said "OK", so I removed it, and as I went out the door with the amp in my hand, she came out behind me yelling "STOP !". I stopped, turned and said something like "What's the matter Frieda?" She said "What do I do, if you croak?". I told her, just have Gary (her son) call my wife, and say that that big red thing belongs to my Mom--and I'm sure that my wife will gladly let him come get it--About that time she turned beet red, and said in a timid little voice--I am sorry--I know I will croak before you do-- Ron Rich ? ? --- On Mon, 11/24/08, jhuffer941@aol.com wrote: From: jhuffer941@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI G 200 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 3:54 PM Hello, I had someone take the selector assembly from my AMI G 200 to work on and he will not call me back.? So I am afraid it is gone for good.? Does anyone have one around ?? Thanks James _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Nov 24 16:37:43 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 24 16:43:47 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 Message-ID: My service switch is the lever type.Does anyone know if the R-74 uses the same one? J.C. In a message dated 11/24/2008 4:16:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, johntrav@suddenlink.net writes: > Regarding the >service switch, If it's the lever type, the same switch is used ast least >thru the MM-6 model. >John **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) From ccos at knology.net Mon Nov 24 16:49:17 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Nov 24 16:50:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <066730BF8D154F94913C857D6C192BF8@CCOSPC> JC The R74 one that I have is the lever type, I'm just not positive the switch is the same. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 > My service switch is the lever type.Does anyone know if the R-74 uses the > same one? > > J.C. > > > In a message dated 11/24/2008 4:16:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > johntrav@suddenlink.net writes: > >> Regarding the >>service switch, If it's the lever type, the same switch is used ast least >>thru the MM-6 model. >>John > > > **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social > networks, > and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com > today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp > %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ccos at knology.net Mon Nov 24 16:50:19 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Nov 24 16:51:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FB18A2B54E14A50BC109D2C3E700827@CCOSPC> J C Can you give me a part number? I can look up my part number. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 > My service switch is the lever type.Does anyone know if the R-74 uses the > same one? > > J.C. > > > In a message dated 11/24/2008 4:16:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > johntrav@suddenlink.net writes: > >> Regarding the >>service switch, If it's the lever type, the same switch is used ast least >>thru the MM-6 model. >>John > > > **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social > networks, > and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com > today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp > %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Nov 24 17:09:01 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 24 17:16:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 Message-ID: I'll dig up my manual and check the no. J.C. In a message dated 11/24/2008 7:51:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ccos@knology.net writes: >J C >Can you give me a part number? I can look up my part number. **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) From ccos at knology.net Mon Nov 24 17:45:59 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Nov 24 17:46:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42A9985CF1E542CB9C2F262B164377A9@CCOSPC> J.C. Well I lied. I have no R-74 manual. However I havew an MM-1 and an R-80 manual and both have the same part number for the scan/serv switch. Rowe Part # 200-11009 Hope that helps, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 > I'll dig up my manual and check the no. > > J.C. > > > In a message dated 11/24/2008 7:51:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > ccos@knology.net writes: > >>J C > >>Can you give me a part number? I can look up my part number. > > > **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social > networks, > and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com > today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp > %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jhayes2613 at aol.com Mon Nov 24 17:53:31 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 24 18:00:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rhapsody Message-ID: <8CB1CB7C0986417-728-1260@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> Hi, Everyone- The male coupling in the main power cord of this amp is a real bugger... it needs to be jiggled in order to get juice to the tubes. Is there any way to tighten all those pins up? TIA- j From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Nov 24 19:10:02 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 24 19:17:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 Message-ID: It's a match.Let me know what you want for it off list. Thanks J.C. In a message dated 11/24/2008 8:47:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ccos@knology.net writes: >J.C. >Well I lied. I have no R-74 manual. However I havew an MM-1 and an R-80 >manual and both have the same part number for the scan/serv switch. >Rowe Part # 200-11009 **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) From seeburgt at pacbell.net Mon Nov 24 19:17:15 2008 From: seeburgt at pacbell.net (Tony Miller) Date: Mon Nov 24 19:24:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg STD160 In-Reply-To: <492B0D0B.4090903@verizon.net> References: <492B0D0B.4090903@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20081125032455.01366AA9D6@lists.netlojix.com> At 12:22 PM 11/24/2008, you wrote: Check to see if the shorting link which should connect read source to read load in the DCC is instead connected between read load and trip relay. This would do it. Cheers, Tony Miller >Hi, > >I just picked up a Seeburg STD160 and am having a problem with it. >The jukebox just plays each record in order, almost as if a panic >box was installed. Is there any troubleshooting tips anyone out >there can offer me? I will eventually pick up the troubleshooting >manual, but for now I only have the installation and operation manual. > >Thanks in advance for any help! >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Mon Nov 24 22:43:23 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Nov 24 22:44:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rhapsody In-Reply-To: <8CB1CB7C0986417-728-1260@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB1CB7C0986417-728-1260@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <492B9E8B.3090705@telus.net> jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Hi, Everyone- > The male coupling in the main power cord of this amp is a real bugger... it needs to be jiggled in order to get juice to the tubes. Is there any way to tighten all those pins up? > TIA- > j > Is it the plug or the pins that are the problem? Check to see if the pins in the socket have bad solder connections or frayed wires that could give the same results. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jhayes2613 at aol.com Tue Nov 25 04:19:11 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 25 04:26:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rhapsody In-Reply-To: <492B9E8B.3090705@telus.net> References: <8CB1CB7C0986417-728-1260@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> <492B9E8B.3090705@telus.net> Message-ID: <8CB1D0F28260F78-A9C-283@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> I want t say that the pins fit into the sockets loosely. I'm wondering if some kind of sleeve-like soldering on each of the pins, then filed down, would fatten them up just a tad to give a tighter fit. This has been causing some audio disturbance and before I was thinking that the plugs were dirty, and was using De-Oxit to help boost things along. I used a spritz of rubbing alcohol then ammonia (with a De-Oxit chaser) to help clean the connection, and did get brown gunk in the towel I was using to wipe up the excess. When reconnecting the plug I noticed the contact problem and the tubes not firing up until a better connection was made by jiggling the plug. -----Original Message----- From: John Robertson To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:43 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rhapsody jhayes2613@aol.com wrote:? > Hi, Everyone-? > The male coupling in the main power cord of this amp is a real bugger... it needs to be jiggled in order to get juice to the tubes. Is there any way to tighten all those pins up? > TIA-? > j? > Is it the plug or the pins that are the problem? Check to see if the pins in the socket have bad solder connections or frayed wires that could give the same results.? ? John :-#)#? ? -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames)? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"? ? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From jhayes2613 at aol.com Tue Nov 25 04:32:38 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 25 04:40:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rhapsody In-Reply-To: <492B9E8B.3090705@telus.net> References: <8CB1CB7C0986417-728-1260@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> <492B9E8B.3090705@telus.net> Message-ID: <8CB1D110923BD61-A9C-2FB@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> I just wish this plug had a screw on either side to fasten it in tighter, like an older computer port. -----Original Message----- From: John Robertson To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:43 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rhapsody jhayes2613@aol.com wrote:? > Hi, Everyone-? > The male coupling in the main power cord of this amp is a real bugger... it needs to be jiggled in order to get juice to the tubes. Is there any way to tighten all those pins up? > TIA-? > j? > Is it the plug or the pins that are the problem? Check to see if the pins in the socket have bad solder connections or frayed wires that could give the same results.? ? John :-#)#? ? -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames)? ? www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"? ? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From johntrav at suddenlink.net Tue Nov 25 10:33:23 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Tue Nov 25 10:34:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 References: <42A9985CF1E542CB9C2F262B164377A9@CCOSPC> Message-ID: <5B7ABC49077F4DBEBA7FF8A29D9A49BD@JOHNTRAV> My JAO manual also calls out # 200-1109 for the service switch. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "CCOS" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 > J.C. > > Well I lied. I have no R-74 manual. However I havew an MM-1 and an R-80 > manual and both have the same part number for the scan/serv switch. > > Rowe Part # 200-11009 > > Hope that helps, > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706)507-2963 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 > > >> I'll dig up my manual and check the no. >> >> J.C. >> >> >> In a message dated 11/24/2008 7:51:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> ccos@knology.net writes: >> >>>J C >> >>>Can you give me a part number? I can look up my part number. >> >> >> **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social >> networks, >> and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com >> today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp >> %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From johntrav at suddenlink.net Tue Nov 25 10:55:12 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Tue Nov 25 10:56:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 References: <42A9985CF1E542CB9C2F262B164377A9@CCOSPC> <5B7ABC49077F4DBEBA7FF8A29D9A49BD@JOHNTRAV> Message-ID: <1A6F4B0F59ED471EA46340D9E8AB9211@JOHNTRAV> Make that # 200-11009. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Travelletti" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 > My JAO manual also calls out # 200-1109 for the service switch. > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CCOS" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 > > >> J.C. >> >> Well I lied. I have no R-74 manual. However I havew an MM-1 and an R-80 >> manual and both have the same part number for the scan/serv switch. >> >> Rowe Part # 200-11009 >> >> Hope that helps, >> >> Karl >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >> 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. >> Columbus, GA 31903 >> (706)507-2963 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] AMI JAO 200 >> >> >>> I'll dig up my manual and check the no. >>> >>> J.C. >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 11/24/2008 7:51:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>> ccos@knology.net writes: >>> >>>>J C >>> >>>>Can you give me a part number? I can look up my part number. >>> >>> >>> **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social >>> networks, >>> and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com >>> today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp >>> %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Nov 25 13:01:23 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Nov 25 13:02:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rhapsody References: <8CB1CB7C0986417-728-1260@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com><492B9E8B.3090705@telus.net> <8CB1D0F28260F78-A9C-283@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001d01c94f40$fb9691e0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Go to the hardware store and buy an acetylene torch tip cleaner - this is a set of small round files in several different diameters. The very tips of these files are usually smooth, so cut that part off. They are perfect for cleaning socket/tube connections. If the connection is indeed loose, don't try to enlarge the pins, your problem is probably in the socket side. On some sockets, you can go underneath and squeeze the metal connections with needle nose pliers to tighten them. Do this with the plug disconnected. Some other style sockets have "u-shaped" metal tabs that are bent underneath to hold them in place. You can cut these off from underneath, and pull the damaged tab out the top. Then you can "steal" an unused tab from the same or similar socket to replace it with. You have to straighten them out first, and push them out the top like before. Re-solder the connection , and you're ready to go. Good luck. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rhapsody > > I want t say that the pins fit into the sockets loosely. I'm wondering if > some kind of sleeve-like soldering on each of the pins, then filed down, > would fatten them up just a tad to give a tighter fit. This has been > causing some audio disturbance and before I was thinking that the plugs > were dirty, and was using De-Oxit to help boost things along. I used a > spritz of rubbing alcohol then ammonia (with a De-Oxit chaser) to help > clean the connection, and did get brown gunk in the towel I was using to > wipe up the excess. When reconnecting the plug I noticed the contact > problem and the tubes not firing up until a better connection was made by > jiggling the plug. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Robertson > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:43 am > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Rhapsody > > > > > > > > > > jhayes2613@aol.com wrote:? > >> Hi, Everyone-? > >> The male coupling in the main power cord of this amp is a real bugger... >> it needs to be jiggled in order to get juice to the tubes. Is there any >> way to tighten all those pins up? >> TIA-? > >> j? > >> > Is it the plug or the pins that are the problem? Check to see if the > pins in the socket have bad solder connections or frayed wires that > could give the same results.? > ? > > John :-#)#? > ? > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames)? > > ? www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"? > ? > > _______________________________________________? > > Jukebox-list mailing list? > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From rudymart at charter.net Tue Nov 25 11:41:57 2008 From: rudymart at charter.net (rudymart) Date: Tue Nov 25 16:24:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: wurlitzer 2410s selector pins Message-ID: <2144FE5DA2F848C9B5740FFCAA2EA44B@luluPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: rudymart To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: rudymart@charter.net Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: wurlitzer 2410s selector pins the selector pins are not cancelling when record is returned to carrier after playing and lift arm has retracted. the mechanism goes full cycle and the record returns to play again. i made the adjustments as per the instructions on pages17-18 but it did not correct the problem. i was even going to follow the info on page 5 paragraph #4 of the trouble shooting chart,however i cannot align the hole on the main gear drive with the driving pool because everything moves together.need help on how to correct pin problem. rudy From rsteiger at neo.rr.com Tue Nov 25 08:44:15 2008 From: rsteiger at neo.rr.com (Rick Steiger) Date: Tue Nov 25 19:48:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B Message-ID: <000001c94f1d$0da1c040$6c01a8c0@RICKSLAPTOP> Hi, Can you help me get my jukebox working again? I have a Seeburg M100B that I've owned since the mid sixties. It worked fine until the mid eighties when it developed a problem pulling records. The mechanism does not line up properly to pull the selection. A tech looked at the jukebox when this problem developed in the eighties and advised that the guide or track that the mechanism rides on was warped and needed replaced. The jukebox has been idle ever since. Can you help me locate this part and restore this Jukebox? Rick Steiger 330.686.1416 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 21:23:24 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Nov 25 21:24:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B In-Reply-To: <000001c94f1d$0da1c040$6c01a8c0@RICKSLAPTOP> Message-ID: <397488.67365.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Rick Steiger wrote: > The > mechanism does not line up properly to pull the selection. > A tech looked at > the jukebox when this problem developed in the eighties and > advised that the > guide or track that the mechanism rides on was warped and > needed replaced. "Needed replaced?" Excuse me while I take a detour into regional colloquialisms. You wouldn't happen to live in the general Washington DC area would you? This is the only place where I've heard people formulate sentences without verbs like this. (ie, Instead of saying "My house needs to be painted" where "be" is the future tense verb, they say "My house needs painted" wherein a past-tense pseudo-verb is coupled with an infinitive sentence structure.) OK, so much for the Henry Higgins stuff. Anyway, the chance that the rack is warped in infinitesimally small. More than likely, the mechanism is simply decades overdue for routine lubrication. Do you have a manual? You should get one and follow the lubrication instructions therein, and if that doesn't help after some lube-N'-cycle sessions, come back here with the symptoms you are seeing. From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 25 21:43:11 2008 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Tue Nov 25 21:50:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B References: <397488.67365.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: David, That type of bad English is nationwide. I've even seen it in the classified section of the Jukebox Collector. I think it probably started because some cheap bastard wanted to save money on a few letters for an ad he was placing. Unfortunately this bad grammar has spread like fungus. William Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B > > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Rick Steiger wrote: > >> The >> mechanism does not line up properly to pull the selection. >> A tech looked at >> the jukebox when this problem developed in the eighties and >> advised that the >> guide or track that the mechanism rides on was warped and >> needed replaced. > > "Needed replaced?" Excuse me while I take a detour into > regional colloquialisms. You wouldn't happen to live in > the general Washington DC area would you? This is the only > place where I've heard people formulate sentences without > verbs like this. (ie, Instead of saying "My house needs to > be painted" where "be" is the future tense verb, they say > "My house needs painted" wherein a past-tense pseudo-verb > is coupled with an infinitive sentence structure.) > > OK, so much for the Henry Higgins stuff. > > Anyway, the chance that the rack is warped in infinitesimally > small. More than likely, the mechanism is simply decades > overdue for routine lubrication. Do you have a manual? > You should get one and follow the lubrication instructions > therein, and if that doesn't help after some lube-N'-cycle > sessions, come back here with the symptoms you are seeing. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 08:37:03 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Nov 26 08:45:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B In-Reply-To: <000001c94f1d$0da1c040$6c01a8c0@RICKSLAPTOP> Message-ID: <265460.22513.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, Unless the phono was moved without being correctly?prepared for shipping, I doubt any "track" is bent. IMHO, it's most likely a lubrication or dirt problem, which can be repaired. If you want to do it yourself, the first thing you must do, in order for anyone to be able to help you, is get a copy of the service manual, read it, and become familiar with it's normal operation. I also would suggest that a copy of my Seeburg Mechanism Guide would be helpful (if I were someone else)--- If you would like, mention the area that you are in, and someone near you might just offer services---( I do "housecalls" in the San Francisco bay area) Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Rick Steiger wrote: From: Rick Steiger Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 8:44 AM Hi, Can you help me get my jukebox working again? I have a Seeburg M100B that I've owned since the mid sixties. It worked fine until the mid eighties when it developed a problem pulling records. The mechanism does not line up properly to pull the selection. A tech looked at the jukebox when this problem developed in the eighties and advised that the guide or track that the mechanism rides on was warped and needed replaced. The jukebox has been idle ever since. Can you help me locate this part and restore this Jukebox? Rick Steiger 330.686.1416 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 08:48:27 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Nov 26 09:33:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fungus-was-Seeburg M100B In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <985620.20585.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> William, "--spread like fungus" or, spread like fungi, or spread like A fungus---?? Hey, werent dar a song whut waz callet --"A fungus Among Us" ???Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/25/08, William Hill wrote: From: William Hill Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B To: david_breneman@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:43 PM David, That type of bad English is nationwide. I've even seen it in the classified section of the Jukebox Collector. I think it probably started because some cheap bastard wanted to save money on a few letters for an ad he was placing. Unfortunately this bad grammar has spread like fungus. William Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B > > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Rick Steiger wrote: > >> The >> mechanism does not line up properly to pull the selection. >> A tech looked at >> the jukebox when this problem developed in the eighties and >> advised that the >> guide or track that the mechanism rides on was warped and >> needed replaced. > > "Needed replaced?" Excuse me while I take a detour into > regional colloquialisms. You wouldn't happen to live in > the general Washington DC area would you? This is the only > place where I've heard people formulate sentences without > verbs like this. (ie, Instead of saying "My house needs to > be painted" where "be" is the future tense verb, they say > "My house needs painted" wherein a past-tense pseudo-verb > is coupled with an infinitive sentence structure.) > > OK, so much for the Henry Higgins stuff. > > Anyway, the chance that the rack is warped in infinitesimally > small. More than likely, the mechanism is simply decades > overdue for routine lubrication. Do you have a manual? > You should get one and follow the lubrication instructions > therein, and if that doesn't help after some lube-N'-cycle > sessions, come back here with the symptoms you are seeing. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Wed Nov 26 10:25:47 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Wed Nov 26 10:27:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B References: <397488.67365.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002401c94ff4$674f6200$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I find it amusing that you complain about bad grammar while using foul language :) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Hill" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B > David, > > That type of bad English is nationwide. I've even seen it in the > classified section of the Jukebox Collector. I think it probably started > because some cheap bastard wanted to save money on a few letters for an ad > he was placing. Unfortunately this bad grammar has spread like fungus. > > William Hill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Breneman" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B > > >> >> --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Rick Steiger wrote: >> >>> The >>> mechanism does not line up properly to pull the selection. >>> A tech looked at >>> the jukebox when this problem developed in the eighties and >>> advised that the >>> guide or track that the mechanism rides on was warped and >>> needed replaced. >> >> "Needed replaced?" Excuse me while I take a detour into >> regional colloquialisms. You wouldn't happen to live in >> the general Washington DC area would you? This is the only >> place where I've heard people formulate sentences without >> verbs like this. (ie, Instead of saying "My house needs to >> be painted" where "be" is the future tense verb, they say >> "My house needs painted" wherein a past-tense pseudo-verb >> is coupled with an infinitive sentence structure.) >> >> OK, so much for the Henry Higgins stuff. >> >> Anyway, the chance that the rack is warped in infinitesimally >> small. More than likely, the mechanism is simply decades >> overdue for routine lubrication. Do you have a manual? >> You should get one and follow the lubrication instructions >> therein, and if that doesn't help after some lube-N'-cycle >> sessions, come back here with the symptoms you are seeing. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ccos at knology.net Wed Nov 26 10:41:55 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Nov 26 10:43:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] JAO Amp (R-3390-A) Message-ID: <49A4972C0C4442D7A5190EEFBCA4F7C0@home31b34d4856> Does anyone know the value of the Hum Balance pot in these amps? Mine are rotten and I can't find em on the schematic. TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 From pinball at telus.net Wed Nov 26 10:54:29 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Nov 26 10:55:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] JAO Amp (R-3390-A) In-Reply-To: <49A4972C0C4442D7A5190EEFBCA4F7C0@home31b34d4856> References: <49A4972C0C4442D7A5190EEFBCA4F7C0@home31b34d4856> Message-ID: <492D9B65.2080805@telus.net> CCOS wrote: > Does anyone know the value of the Hum Balance pot in these amps? Mine are rotten and I can't find em on the schematic. TIA, > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S Lumpkin Rd > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706) 507-2963 They usually show right beside the power transformer. If not, check with the radio collectors as they use the same type of pot on many of the 30sand 40s radios. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ccos at knology.net Wed Nov 26 11:06:02 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Nov 26 11:07:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] JAO Amp (R-3390-A) References: <49A4972C0C4442D7A5190EEFBCA4F7C0@home31b34d4856> <492D9B65.2080805@telus.net> Message-ID: <40F0088C47AE4E5BA9CDF08EEB312482@home31b34d4856> Thanks John....but I have a poor copy of the schematics.......I'm not sure of the value. Could it be 270K ?? Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] JAO Amp (R-3390-A) > CCOS wrote: >> Does anyone know the value of the Hum Balance pot in these amps? Mine are >> rotten and I can't find em on the schematic. TIA, >> Karl >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >> 2061 S Lumpkin Rd >> Columbus, GA 31903 >> (706) 507-2963 > They usually show right beside the power transformer. > > If not, check with the radio collectors as they use the same type of pot > on many of the 30sand 40s radios. > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call > (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From william_hill at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 26 11:28:49 2008 From: william_hill at sbcglobal.net (William Hill) Date: Wed Nov 26 11:36:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B References: <397488.67365.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002401c94ff4$674f6200$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <910520E913484714813F067094C7EC9E@yoursz6x6sefxo> Foul language? What word? Bastard? If that word is used on daytime tv then I'd hardly consider it foul. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B >I find it amusing that you complain about bad grammar while using foul >language :) > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Hill" > To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:43 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B > > >> David, >> >> That type of bad English is nationwide. I've even seen it in the >> classified section of the Jukebox Collector. I think it probably started >> because some cheap bastard wanted to save money on a few letters for an >> ad he was placing. Unfortunately this bad grammar has spread like fungus. >> >> William Hill >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Breneman" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B >> >> >>> >>> --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Rick Steiger wrote: >>> >>>> The >>>> mechanism does not line up properly to pull the selection. >>>> A tech looked at >>>> the jukebox when this problem developed in the eighties and >>>> advised that the >>>> guide or track that the mechanism rides on was warped and >>>> needed replaced. >>> >>> "Needed replaced?" Excuse me while I take a detour into >>> regional colloquialisms. You wouldn't happen to live in >>> the general Washington DC area would you? This is the only >>> place where I've heard people formulate sentences without >>> verbs like this. (ie, Instead of saying "My house needs to >>> be painted" where "be" is the future tense verb, they say >>> "My house needs painted" wherein a past-tense pseudo-verb >>> is coupled with an infinitive sentence structure.) >>> >>> OK, so much for the Henry Higgins stuff. >>> >>> Anyway, the chance that the rack is warped in infinitesimally >>> small. More than likely, the mechanism is simply decades >>> overdue for routine lubrication. Do you have a manual? >>> You should get one and follow the lubrication instructions >>> therein, and if that doesn't help after some lube-N'-cycle >>> sessions, come back here with the symptoms you are seeing. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 13:24:25 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Nov 26 13:25:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: wurlitzer 2410s selector pins In-Reply-To: <2144FE5DA2F848C9B5740FFCAA2EA44B@luluPC> Message-ID: <445379.77498.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rudy, I don't understand your problem--did someone loosen the two screws that say "Do NOT loosen" ? Is the selector crank arm pushing down on the pin, but the pin is not locking down ? Is the basket being "back-stopped" correctly ? What is the "everything thing" that moves? Is this happening in all positions, and both sides of the records? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 11/25/08, rudymart wrote: From: rudymart Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: wurlitzer 2410s selector pins To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:41 AM ----- Original Message ----- From: rudymart To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: rudymart@charter.net Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: wurlitzer 2410s selector pins the selector pins are not cancelling when record is returned to carrier after playing and lift arm has retracted. the mechanism goes full cycle and the record returns to play again. i made the adjustments as per the instructions on pages17-18 but it did not correct the problem. i was even going to follow the info on page 5 paragraph #4 of the trouble shooting chart,however i cannot align the hole on the main gear drive with the driving pool because everything moves together.need help on how to correct pin problem. rudy _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Wed Nov 26 13:29:29 2008 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Wed Nov 26 13:30:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B References: <000001c94f1d$0da1c040$6c01a8c0@RICKSLAPTOP> Message-ID: <3BE5CDF41C284D8DB1F7AA4C5563252F@JUKEBUS> I'm going to ignore the language debate.... As others have said it's very unlikely that the mechanism track / rack is warped. I have restored a couple of M100B's and many other Seeburgs that use a very similar mech and I have yet to see a warped track or gear rack. Again as others have said, it's most likely to be a lubrication issue. If not lubrication then it may be record rack / pinbank / contact block alignment - BUT only if these adjustments have somehow been disturbed since the time when it was working. Get the manual and some of the correct oil and you should be able to fix it. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Steiger" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:44 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B Hi, Can you help me get my jukebox working again? I have a Seeburg M100B that I've owned since the mid sixties. It worked fine until the mid eighties when it developed a problem pulling records. The mechanism does not line up properly to pull the selection. A tech looked at the jukebox when this problem developed in the eighties and advised that the guide or track that the mechanism rides on was warped and needed replaced. The jukebox has been idle ever since. Can you help me locate this part and restore this Jukebox? Rick Steiger 330.686.1416 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1813 - Release Date: 26/11/2008 08:53 From jay at west.net Wed Nov 26 14:10:21 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Nov 26 14:11:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] JAO Amp (R-3390-A) In-Reply-To: <492D9B65.2080805@telus.net> References: <49A4972C0C4442D7A5190EEFBCA4F7C0@home31b34d4856> <492D9B65.2080805@telus.net> Message-ID: <492DC94D.8060504@west.net> CCOS wrote: > Does anyone know the value of the Hum Balance pot in these amps? Mine > are rotten and I can't find em on the schematic. TIA, Is this across the 6.3 volt filaments, wiper to ground? Typically 100 ohms wirewound. Not really critical. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From pinball at telus.net Wed Nov 26 14:13:56 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Nov 26 14:15:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] JAO Amp (R-3390-A) In-Reply-To: <40F0088C47AE4E5BA9CDF08EEB312482@home31b34d4856> References: <49A4972C0C4442D7A5190EEFBCA4F7C0@home31b34d4856> <492D9B65.2080805@telus.net> <40F0088C47AE4E5BA9CDF08EEB312482@home31b34d4856> Message-ID: <492DCA24.4040008@telus.net> CCOS wrote: > > Thanks John....but I have a poor copy of the schematics.......I'm not > sure of the value. Could it be 270K ?? > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S Lumpkin Rd > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706) 507-2963 > The value of the potentiometer is 100R @ 1W. John :-#)# > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] JAO Amp (R-3390-A) > > >> CCOS wrote: >>> Does anyone know the value of the Hum Balance pot in these amps? >>> Mine are rotten and I can't find em on the schematic. TIA, >>> Karl >>> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >>> 2061 S Lumpkin Rd >>> Columbus, GA 31903 >>> (706) 507-2963 >> They usually show right beside the power transformer. >> >> If not, check with the radio collectors as they use the same type of >> pot on many of the 30sand 40s radios. >> >> John :-#)# >> >> -- >> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call >> (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >> www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just >> flip out" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Nov 26 14:54:26 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Nov 26 14:57:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] JAO Amp (R-3390-A) Message-ID: <20081126.175426.13267.3@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Karl: Good timing. I happen to have a Rowe R-3390 power amp in here for service. The value of the hum balance pot is 100 ohms, 1 watt. I looked in the service manual. I have an MM3-MM4 book. The 6.3 volt filament lines on the schematic for the "50W hybrid amplifier" (it gives no amp part no.) shows no hum balance pot. I looked at an older,similar Rowe amp schematic, for R-2620. This one shows a 100 ohm 1 w hum balance pot in the 6.3 volt filament line. Also, a good time to bring this up---if you need # 7868 tubes for your amp, Electro-Harmonix (a Russian mfr) is now building/shipping good quality 7868 tubes. No need to pay the collector prices for new old stock. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click for VA loan resources and rate quotes. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9LkM9Qd4jTLPnJipI54RZB2JPnINAKo0HuldKlDdm49ZlMK/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 16:00:44 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Nov 26 16:01:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <826613.56308.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 11/25/08, William Hill wrote: > That type of bad English is nationwide. I wouldn't characterize it as bad English (although it is not grammatical) but as a regionalism, like standing "on line" in New York, or giving freeways definite articles like "The 405" in southern California. I first noticed my wife's family using that construction, and they're from Virginia, ergo my regional question. I certainly didn't mean to insult Rick, and I apologize if I did so; it's just an innocent question from a etymological hobbyist. From artnchar at juno.com Wed Nov 26 16:31:49 2008 From: artnchar at juno.com (Arthur A Beniek) Date: Wed Nov 26 16:33:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Message-ID: <20081126.183149.4840.2.Artnchar@juno.com> I have a Wurlitzer 3400 that has a bad Readout Switch. Does anyone know where I can get one? How much for the switch? I had a repair man come out and check it and he cut the wire on the side 1 side so it will work playing the side 2 of the record. Art ____________________________________________________________ Click here to learn more about nursing jobs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2bVMuajQZCHdmxjfQZGznjo3OBMPktaSAMr0GFAlPpWY190/ From recordhound at verizon.net Wed Nov 26 17:29:11 2008 From: recordhound at verizon.net (Jimmy Day) Date: Wed Nov 26 18:31:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate Message-ID: <9F83B55DAFCC40D59050B389142E3415@screwylo> This is for the cabinet guys/gals here - any tips on the feasability (or even possibility) of removing the wood-grain laminate? Juke in question is a Rock Ola 424 - I'd like to put on Formica and would need to remove the existing laminate, else the added thickness will be a problem with the trim. i was thinking of having a go with the heat gun? Thanks for any advise ;-) *Jukebox jimmy From joe400f at shaw.ca Wed Nov 26 19:48:35 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Wed Nov 26 19:49:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate References: <9F83B55DAFCC40D59050B389142E3415@screwylo> Message-ID: <001001c95043$06aece00$939f4f18@compaq> Jimmy, are you in a cold climate? Do you know anyone with a commercial walk in freezer? If it is frozen, it will crack right off. I did this and it worked. Joey McDonald Canada I hope my sentence phrase style or spelling doesn't give away my location. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Day" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate > This is for the cabinet guys/gals here - any tips on the feasability (or > even possibility) of removing the wood-grain laminate? Juke in question > is a Rock Ola 424 - I'd like to put on Formica and would need to remove > the existing laminate, else the added thickness will be a problem with the > trim. i was thinking of having a go with the heat gun? Thanks for any > advise ;-) > > *Jukebox jimmy > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bobe at halted.com Wed Nov 26 19:40:45 2008 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob E.) Date: Wed Nov 26 19:52:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate In-Reply-To: <9F83B55DAFCC40D59050B389142E3415@screwylo> References: <9F83B55DAFCC40D59050B389142E3415@screwylo> Message-ID: <492E16BD.2070206@halted.com> Jimmy Day wrote: > This is for the cabinet guys/gals here - any tips on the feasability > (or even possibility) of removing the wood-grain laminate? Juke in > question is a Rock Ola 424 - I'd like to put on Formica and would need > to remove the existing laminate, else the added thickness will be a > problem with the trim. i was thinking of having a go with the heat > gun? Thanks for any advise ;-) I think that's the best route to take...heat gun (not hair dryer!) and some thin wood wedges, like door framing shims to keep the part you have lifted from sticking back down. --Bob From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Wed Nov 26 19:51:30 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Wed Nov 26 19:59:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate In-Reply-To: <9F83B55DAFCC40D59050B389142E3415@screwylo> Message-ID: <101585.69390.qm@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Try a heat gun (use caution = common sence) if the stickiness does not come off not to worry.. use lighter fluid to take that off. Hope this helps (don't use the lighter fluid until you done with taking off the laminate (as we call here in Canada [Mac-Tac]). ? Regards, Tony --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Jimmy Day wrote: From: Jimmy Day Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 8:29 PM This is for the cabinet guys/gals here - any tips on the feasability (or even possibility) of removing the wood-grain laminate? Juke in question is a Rock Ola 424 - I'd like to put on Formica and would need to remove the existing laminate, else the added thickness will be a problem with the trim. i was thinking of having a go with the heat gun? Thanks for any advise ;-) *Jukebox jimmy _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Wed Nov 26 19:55:06 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Wed Nov 26 20:02:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate In-Reply-To: <001001c95043$06aece00$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: <306010.28640.qm@web111503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It does not always work .. it depends on how old it is.. and generally leaves a sticky reside once it is warm.. I have dealt with this many times due to I am in a Sears salvage business and have seen this thousands of times before.. lighter fluid (not the fake kind [yes they make fake lighter fluid that is not petroleum based] works great!) Also here is a hint of the day if you have dull plastic.. brasso polishes it nice or even better for a GLASS type polish use NOVUS. ? Regards, Tony --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 10:48 PM Jimmy, are you in a cold climate? Do you know anyone with a commercial walk in freezer? If it is frozen, it will crack right off. I did this and it worked. Joey McDonald Canada I hope my sentence phrase style or spelling doesn't give away my location. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Day" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate > This is for the cabinet guys/gals here - any tips on the feasability (or even possibility) of removing the wood-grain laminate? Juke in question is a Rock Ola 424 - I'd like to put on Formica and would need to remove the existing laminate, else the added thickness will be a problem with the trim. i was thinking of having a go with the heat gun? Thanks for any advise ;-) > > *Jukebox jimmy > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From joe400f at shaw.ca Wed Nov 26 20:28:07 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Wed Nov 26 20:29:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate References: <101585.69390.qm@web111505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003901c95048$8c7e61d0$939f4f18@compaq> Tony, " Mac Tac " or " Mat Tac" or whatever that stuff is called, is thin ( almost paper thin ) wood grain looking vinyl. That stuff is embarrassing to even mention. I hope that is not a Canadian only product. Don't tell anyone else if it is. Laminate is much thicker and is a flat sheet. It is also more brittle and has to be heated to form to a radius. Look at your kitchen counter top. That's laminate. Joey McDonald From havok69 at verizon.net Wed Nov 26 20:28:30 2008 From: havok69 at verizon.net (Havok) Date: Wed Nov 26 21:31:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg STD160 tormat Message-ID: <492E21EE.70306@verizon.net> Hello, Thanks for the suggestions on fixing the issue with my STD160. I just have one question on getting at the tormat. I have raised the popularity meter up, and have unscrewed the two screws on the front ends of the tormat. Is there any other screws I am missing? I don't want to break anything while attempting to get at it! (I can't wait until I can afford the books for this!) Thanks in advance for any help, it's much appreciated! From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Nov 26 22:51:56 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Nov 26 22:53:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3400 Message-ID: <20081127.015156.13407.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Hello: I've had to service this problem before. Here's some info that will be handy concerning your W 3400 readout switches. There are two switches, one for the "A" side of every selection, and another for the "B" sides. the switches are wired in a series circuit so that a failed one has to be disconnected to allow the remaining one to operate. These switches are called micro switches. Mechanically the switches are different from one another. The copper swingarm is a different length on one switch compared to the other. You'll need to specify the A or B-side switch when you buy a replacement. Failure of these parts on the W3400-thru 3800 mechanisms was rather common. None of the switch products currently manufactured by Microswitch (now Honeywell) will directly replace these units. I'd recommend trying to locate an original Wurl. replacement from one of the jukebox salvage operations. Here's a few names and addresses. There are probably others I've missed. Durfee Coin-Op PH 978 544 3800 web: www.jukeboxparts.com Jukebox Junkyard PH 678 833 5749 web: www.jukeboxjunkyard.com Bob's Jukebox Emporium PH 313 527 7144 email:rwelke@sbcglobal.net Hope you solve your problem, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Lose up to 20 lbs in one month with a new diet. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8hZzWWbB1s8LTX5CIoICEHOq8ZfLkDKD7v8cGF8zxKKP3dE/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Nov 26 23:33:24 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Nov 26 23:35:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: wurlitzer 2410s selector pins Message-ID: <20081127.023324.27603.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Rudy: RE: W 2410S selections repeat--pins not cancelling. Before you attempt the driving pawl adjustments described in the troubleshooting list, here are some simpler things to check out first that can cause this symptom: After making a selection, watch the operation of your mechanism from the rear as it goes thru it's cycle. When the selector crank (the brass arm that touches the selector drum pins)stops at a pulled selection, the crank arm should push downward and cancel the pin as the record is being loaded onto the turntable, not as the record is returned after play. Is this action happening or trying to happen? There may not be enough downward motion to latch the cancelled selector pin. If yes, see P5, Item 5 in troubleshooting chart, Item B. Cancel adjustments are shown on P17-18 of mechanism adjustments. If no, read on. There is a record loading lever at the front of the machine. It's purpose is to "freewheel" the record basket for record changes while selector pins are registered. This lever will pull up the selector crank to clear the pins. Operating this mechanical function also trips a switch that'll stop the mech. motor from running. As mechanisms get old/dirty and lubricants dry up, it's possible for this lever action to stick in a partially open or closed mode. Lever should be to the left for normal operation. A home jukebox should normally be cleaned/lubricated once every 5 years. Last, when you made the adjustment awhile ago to adjust the stop switch screw, check to make sure that you did not overcorrect when you did this. Try backing off the adjustment you made slightly and experiment with the mech operation. Misadjustment of this mech. could upset the pawl operation. Let me know how you make out, Jim Alexander _____________________________________________________________________ Get Freebies & Coupons -- Free of Hassle at FreeInternet.com! Visit http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1221/?u=http://www.freeinternet.com From blackj at internode.on.net Thu Nov 27 01:18:52 2008 From: blackj at internode.on.net (Jeffrey Black) Date: Thu Nov 27 01:25:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Beware of ebay seller in Australia offering a United jukebox. Message-ID: <000301c95071$2a8007d0$7f801770$@on.net> Ebay seller arrived at the "buy-now" price on United jukebox, item 300276636049 by shill-bidding, and after a report to ebay was suspended for a short period. Item has been just relisted. Caveat Emptor. From Jjmscf at aol.com Thu Nov 27 07:28:00 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 27 07:35:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate Message-ID: While we're on the laminate discussion does anyone have tips on laminate repair when the laminate is perfectly good except chipped corners at the bottom.It seems a shame to strip laminate when only the bottom corners are chipped and the rest is good.The front corners are very minor about a half inch or so with the rear coin door side being the worst spot at about an inch from front to back and an inch and 1/2 from top to bottom of missing laminate The jukebox in question is an LPC1 with walnut woodgrain laminate. Has anyone tried one of those laminate repair kits? J.C. In a message dated 11/26/2008 11:03:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca writes: It does not always work .. it depends on how old it is.. and generally leaves a sticky reside once it is warm.. I have dealt with this many times due to I am in a Sears salvage business and have seen this thousands of times before.. lighter fluid (not the fake kind [yes they make fake lighter fluid that is not petroleum based] works great!) Also here is a hint of the day if you have dull plastic.. brasso polishes it nice or even better for a GLASS type polish use NOVUS. Regards, Tony **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 07:36:33 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 27 07:43:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate In-Reply-To: <492E16BD.2070206@halted.com> Message-ID: <559375.40860.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jimmy, I sure ain't no cabinet guy, but I have watched it done using an iron, and a wet towel. It was done as Bob describes, buy our "cabinet guy" on "hundreds" of LPC models--(a kong time ago !) Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Bob E. wrote: From: Bob E. Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 7:40 PM Jimmy Day wrote: > This is for the cabinet guys/gals here - any tips on the feasability (or even possibility) of removing the wood-grain laminate? Juke in question is a Rock Ola 424 - I'd like to put on Formica and would need to remove the existing laminate, else the added thickness will be a problem with the trim. i was thinking of having a go with the heat gun? Thanks for any advise ;-) I think that's the best route to take...heat gun (not hair dryer!) and some thin wood wedges, like door framing shims to keep the part you have lifted from sticking back down. --Bob _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 07:39:19 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 27 07:43:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate In-Reply-To: <001001c95043$06aece00$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: <381883.39257.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Joey, You "dummie"--the word "Canada" says enough !!? Ron Rich (Sanfransiko) --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 7:48 PM Jimmy, are you in a cold climate? Do you know anyone with a commercial walk in freezer? If it is frozen, it will crack right off. I did this and it worked. Joey McDonald Canada I hope my sentence phrase style or spelling doesn't give away my location. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Day" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate > This is for the cabinet guys/gals here - any tips on the feasability (or even possibility) of removing the wood-grain laminate? Juke in question is a Rock Ola 424 - I'd like to put on Formica and would need to remove the existing laminate, else the added thickness will be a problem with the trim.. i was thinking of having a go with the heat gun? Thanks for any advise ;-) > > *Jukebox jimmy > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 07:51:18 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 27 07:52:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate In-Reply-To: <003901c95048$8c7e61d0$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: <575702.45196.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Joey, I wonder--is that the same sort of "stuff" as was used on the early Seeburg cabinets? I understand that the product they used was called "Di-nok"--not sure of the spelling- and was a 3M product--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate To: oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 8:28 PM Tony, " Mac Tac " or " Mat Tac" or whatever that stuff is called, is thin ( almost paper thin ) wood grain looking vinyl. That stuff is embarrassing to even mention. I hope that is not a Canadian only product. Don't tell anyone else if it is. Laminate is much thicker and is a flat sheet. It is also more brittle and has to be heated to form to a radius. Look at your kitchen counter top. That's laminate. Joey McDonald _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 07:54:27 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 27 07:55:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg STD160 tormat In-Reply-To: <492E21EE.70306@verizon.net> Message-ID: <826315.11845.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Unfortunately, you are going about it the hard way. To reach the Tormat, all you need to have done, is remove the rear cabinet door. May I ask--what are you attempting to accomplish?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Havok wrote: From: Havok Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg STD160 tormat To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 8:28 PM Hello, Thanks for the suggestions on fixing the issue with my STD160. I just have one question on getting at the tormat. I have raised the popularity meter up, and have unscrewed the two screws on the front ends of the tormat. Is there any other screws I am missing? I don't want to break anything while attempting to get at it! (I can't wait until I can afford the books for this!) Thanks in advance for any help, it's much appreciated! _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 08:18:33 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 27 08:19:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <88655.25102.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> JC, What our cabinet guy came up with was an aluminum cover formed to fit around the bottom, and sides of the phono. He purchased it as a 10-12 ? foot?section in the "home improvement store". It was bent at a 90 degree angle with about 1 inch on each side. He then formed the front fold to cover the small "corner" showing on the front of each side of the cabinet (next to the doors). He painted it choc. brown, punched several holes in the bottom, and screwed it to the cabinet floor (from the outside, bottom of the cabinet). It looks super--just saw one the other day, while doing a "housecall"--still looks like it was OEM--- Ron Rich --- On Thu, 11/27/08, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 7:28 AM While we're on the laminate discussion does anyone have tips on laminate repair when the laminate is perfectly good except chipped corners at the bottom.It seems a shame to strip laminate when only the bottom corners are chipped and the rest is good.The front corners are very minor about a half inch or so with the rear coin door side being the worst spot at about an inch from front to back and an inch and 1/2 from top to bottom of missing laminate The jukebox in question is an LPC1 with walnut woodgrain laminate. Has anyone tried one of those laminate repair kits? J.C. In a message dated 11/26/2008 11:03:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca writes: It does not always work .. it depends on how old it is.. and generally leaves a sticky reside once it is warm.. I have dealt with this many times due to I am in a Sears salvage business and have seen this thousands of times before.. lighter fluid (not the fake kind [yes they make fake lighter fluid that is not petroleum based] works great!) Also here is a hint of the day if you have dull plastic.. brasso polishes it nice or even better for a GLASS type polish use NOVUS. Regards, Tony **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From havok69 at verizon.net Thu Nov 27 11:54:31 2008 From: havok69 at verizon.net (Havok) Date: Thu Nov 27 11:55:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg STD160 tormat References: 492E21EE.70306@verizon.net Message-ID: <492EFAF7.2090803@verizon.net> I am attempting to check the RCA connections to it. Where would I go about looking for them? ========================================== Unfortunately, you are going about it the hard way. To reach the Tormat, all you need to have done, is remove the rear cabinet door. May I ask--what are you attempting to accomplish?? Ron Rich From pinball at telus.net Thu Nov 27 12:56:11 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Nov 27 12:57:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg STD160 tormat In-Reply-To: <492E21EE.70306@verizon.net> References: <492E21EE.70306@verizon.net> Message-ID: <492F096B.7020608@telus.net> Havok wrote: > > Hello, > > Thanks for the suggestions on fixing the issue with my STD160. I just > have one question on getting at the tormat. I have raised the > popularity meter up, and have unscrewed the two screws on the front > ends of the tormat. Is there any other screws I am missing? I don't > want to break anything while attempting to get at it! (I can't wait > until I can afford the books for this!) > > Thanks in advance for any help, it's much appreciated! DO NOT TAKE THE TORMAT OFF! Put the screws back in! Wait until you get the books otherwise you can do serious harm to your jukebox - the Tormat is an item that should never be taken apart except by an expert. Removing the Tormat means you will need the manual to replace it it otherwise you are unlikely to replace it in the exact spot required for normal operation. What you are looking for is a plug on the Control Center that looks something like the picture in this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_connector Please note that if you do not find it that you can do far more harm that good by moving wires, unplugging things at random, etc. If you have a digital camera and know how to post images to the Internet picture hosting sites, then post a picture of what you think is the correct plug and someone here should be able to confirm it. This link is helpful showing pictures of the insides of Seeburg jukes: http://www.retroaudiolab.com/seeburgphoto.htm John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jeffzurn at cox.net Thu Nov 27 13:12:32 2008 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Thu Nov 27 13:13:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone!! References: 492E21EE.70306@verizon.net <492EFAF7.2090803@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000601c950d4$dd1a0a90$0101a8c0@ZURNT60> May your stuffing be tasty May your turkey plump, May your potatoes and gravy Have never a lump. May your yams be delicious And your pies take the prize, And may your Thanksgiving dinner Stay off your thighs! And may your jukebox(es) play your favorites all day!! From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 16:03:51 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Nov 27 16:04:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List Message-ID: <332577.12299.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanksgiving is here and that means its time to perform the two chores I always try to get done on this day: String the lights around the house (although they aren't turned on until Saturday) and program the jukeboxes for Christmas. As a public service, :-) I'm offering a list of yuletide 78s that I have selected for the M100-A this year. Those with only one side listed don't have a particularly Christmassy selection on the other side. There are some duplicate titles, but the performances are different enough that they mix well together. Eartha Kitt "Santa Baby" RCA Victor 20-5502 Arthur Fiedler & the Boston Pops "Sleigh Ride" (by Anderson) RCA Victor Red Seal 10-1484 Guy Lombardo & the Andrews Sisters "Winter Wonderland"/"Christmas Island" Decca 23722 Gene Autry "Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer"/"If it doesn't snow on Christmas" Columbia C1400 Nat King Cole "The Christmas Song" Capitol 311 Bing Crosby "White Christmas"/"God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen" Decca 23778 (From the Crosby Christmas album.) Leroy Anderson and His Orchestra "Christmas Festival" Parts 1 and 2 Decca Gold Label 16041 (This is an arrangement he did for the Boston Pops and is featured as played by the Pops on their "Pops Christmas Party" album as well, still in print on CD as far as I know.) Harry Reser and his Orchestra "Santa Claus is Coming to Town"/"Jingle Bells" Decca 264 (This is the *original* recording of the famous Santa song.) Kay Starr w/Frank deVol's Orchestra "(Everybody's Waiting for) The Man with the Bag" Decca `256 Bing Crosby and the Andrews Sisters "Mele Kilikimaka"/"Poppa Santa Claus" Decca 27228 Gene Autry "Here Comes Santa Claus"/"An Old Fashioned Tree" Columbia 37942 The Drifters "White Christmas"/"The Bells of St. Mary's" Atlantic 1048 The BBC Chorus "The First Nowell"/"Good King Wenceslas" Columbia 244-M Gene Autry "Sleigh Bells"/"I wish Mom Would Marry Santa Claus" Columbia 40135 Tommy Dorsey "Santa Claus is Coming to Town" / Benny Goodman "Jingle Bells" (Canadian) Victor 25145 Mantovani and his Orchestra "White Christmas"/"Adeste Fidelis" London 1280 (These songs were part of a Mantovani Christmas LP and set of 45 EPs all released at the same time, and later re-recorded and re-released in stereo.) Bobby Helms "Jingle Bell Rock"/"Captain Santa Claus" Decca 30513 (Unlike the 45 re-release from the 70s, which I've also heard on LP compilations, this does *not* have the choral bridge mixed out of phase, with the resultant very low volume. It's very up-front and bright here.) Gene Autry "He's a Chubby Little Fellow"/"Santa, Santa, Santa" Columbia 20616 (This forgotten Autry song from the Rudolph/Sleigh Bells era has ridiculously vapid lyrics, but the tune it so catchy it almost makes up for it.) And one non-Christmas number that's a favorite with the kiddoes (as Autry would say): Mel Blanc "I Taut I Taw a Putty Tat"/"Yosemite Sam" Capitol 1360 David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From rlyons1 at carolina.rr.com Thu Nov 27 15:12:45 2008 From: rlyons1 at carolina.rr.com (Ron Lyons) Date: Thu Nov 27 16:06:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ti-1 Rowe jukebox credit/selection issues Message-ID: <2D7ED8AE193A424A8F0D477F89A4889D@RonniePC> Hello! I'm new to this list, I was sent the link by Mr. Ken Layton. I just picked up a Rowe Ti-1, and I know nothing about Rowe boxes! This is the sentinel model I believe. Anyways, I've ordered a service manual and schematics, so hopefully that will help. The box purportedly worked fine until a few months ago, and had been semi-regularly 'serviced' whatever that entailed. What it's doing now is, it seems to accept credits fine (the little spider on the credit unit turns each time the credit switch is pushed), but it doesn't energize the coil at the top of the box by the selection unit each time. It does in one particular spot on the credit unit's pcb, usually when the spider is rotated to touch near where there's a "6" printed on the pcb. Then it energizes the relay up top, which pulls the solenoid in and allows me to select a record. From there everything seems to work fine. However once it plays and pulls the credit unit's 'spider' off the '6' location, you can't get it to energize the relay on the selection unit again unless you manually rotate the spider back to the 6. Any ideas on where I should check? I tried cleaning up the contacts on the credit assembly pcb, and the relays up top. It didn't seem to change much! Thanks in advance, Ron From joe400f at shaw.ca Thu Nov 27 16:30:33 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Thu Nov 27 16:32:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate References: <575702.45196.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c950f0$86818ca0$939f4f18@compaq> I don't know. My Seeburg G had the original print on it and it did not look like this stuff. This looks really cheap. It comes rolled and had adhesive on it. Peel off the backing and stick it on. Looks like wood grain on 1970's Dodge cars. Terrible. I am not even sure you can buy it anymore. I hope not. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate > Joey, > I wonder--is that the same sort of "stuff" as was used on the early > Seeburg cabinets? I understand that the product they used was called > "Di-nok"--not sure of the spelling- and was a 3M product--Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Joey McDonald wrote: > > From: Joey McDonald > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate > To: oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca, "Jukebox mailing list" > > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 8:28 PM > > Tony, > > " Mac Tac " or " Mat Tac" or whatever that stuff is > called, is thin ( almost paper thin ) wood grain looking vinyl. > > That stuff is embarrassing to even mention. I hope that is not a Canadian > only > product. > Don't tell anyone else if it is. > > Laminate is much thicker and is a flat sheet. It is also more brittle and > has > to be heated to > form to a radius. Look at your kitchen counter top. That's laminate. > > Joey McDonald > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 18:06:53 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Nov 27 18:07:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate In-Reply-To: <001001c95043$06aece00$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: <65409.95009.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Joey McDonald wrote: > I hope my sentence phrase style or spelling doesn't > give away my location. Not an "eh?" in there. Are you sure you're Canadian? :-) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 19:03:00 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Nov 27 19:06:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg STD160 tormat In-Reply-To: <492EFAF7.2090803@verizon.net> Message-ID: <672838.39593.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well, First I gyess you should know what the RCA plug is--then look for it on the SCC-3, but you really need to wait till after you have read the I&O manual and the service manual, before you do some real damage--Ron Rich --- On Thu, 11/27/08, Havok wrote: From: Havok Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Seeburg STD160 tormat To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 11:54 AM I am attempting to check the RCA connections to it. Where would I go about looking for them? ========================================== Unfortunately, you are going about it the hard way. To reach the Tormat, all you need to have done, is remove the rear cabinet door. May I ask--what are you attempting to accomplish?? Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From joe400f at shaw.ca Thu Nov 27 19:44:51 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Thu Nov 27 19:46:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate References: <65409.95009.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c9510b$ab500cd0$939f4f18@compaq> I will admit it only if that " Mat Tac " stuff is not a Canadian invention. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate > --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Joey McDonald wrote: > >> I hope my sentence phrase style or spelling doesn't >> give away my location. > > Not an "eh?" in there. Are you sure you're Canadian? :-) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Nov 28 04:19:17 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Fri Nov 28 04:20:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone!! References: 492E21EE.70306@verizon.net <492EFAF7.2090803@verizon.net> <000601c950d4$dd1a0a90$0101a8c0@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <80EF2E80B9754D0BAF32AB3A4D67BF9A@home1903> Jeff, I just love that Poem and haven't heard it in years!! Happy Thanksgiving to everyone, and we all have so much to be thankful for. As far as the thighs...........well??? Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Zurn" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone!! > May your stuffing be tasty > May your turkey plump, > May your potatoes and gravy Have never a lump. May your yams be delicious > And your pies take the prize, > And may your Thanksgiving dinner > Stay off your thighs! > > And may your jukebox(es) play your favorites all day!! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Nov 28 07:17:16 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Nov 28 07:18:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate In-Reply-To: <001001c950f0$86818ca0$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: <7476.16823.qm@web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Actually .. and unfortunately yes you can still buy "Mat Tac" its usually available at Home Hardware or at your local dollar store. I personally dislike the stuff and have never used it .. although my wife does use it on the kitchen cupboards. ? Tony --- On Thu, 11/27/08, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 7:30 PM I don't know. My Seeburg G had the original print on it and it did not look like this stuff. This looks really cheap. It comes rolled and had adhesive on it. Peel off the backing and stick it on. Looks like wood grain on 1970's Dodge cars. Terrible. I am not even sure you can buy it anymore. I hope not. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate > Joey, > I wonder--is that the same sort of "stuff" as was used on the early Seeburg cabinets? I understand that the product they used was called "Di-nok"--not sure of the spelling- and was a 3M product--Ron Rich > > --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Joey McDonald wrote: > > From: Joey McDonald > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Removing Laminate > To: oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca, "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 8:28 PM > > Tony, > > " Mac Tac " or " Mat Tac" or whatever that stuff is > called, is thin ( almost paper thin ) wood grain looking vinyl. > > That stuff is embarrassing to even mention. I hope that is not a Canadian only > product. > Don't tell anyone else if it is. > > Laminate is much thicker and is a flat sheet. It is also more brittle and has > to be heated to > form to a radius. Look at your kitchen counter top. That's laminate. > > Joey McDonald > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca From johntrav at suddenlink.net Fri Nov 28 07:59:42 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Fri Nov 28 08:01:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ti-1 Rowe jukebox credit/selection issues References: <2D7ED8AE193A424A8F0D477F89A4889D@RonniePC> Message-ID: <398390BFF9214B65AC3E3332A5E21DC3@JOHNTRAV> Your problem is less like to be with the credit unit than the search unit. Your Rowe manual wil give a step by step procedure for cleaning and adjusting the search unit. Pay particular attention to tensioning the wipers on the front and back of the pcb and timing adjustment of the wiper assemblies. Also look at the big edge connector from the selector for broken wires at the plug end. Finally, I clean all the button switch contacts by shooting Wildcat contact cleaner liberally into the keyboard and then working the buttons vigorously on the bench, using a towel on the benchtop to protect the button faces. There are other cleaning methods, but this works well for me. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Lyons" To: Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 5:12 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ti-1 Rowe jukebox credit/selection issues Hello! I'm new to this list, I was sent the link by Mr. Ken Layton. I just picked up a Rowe Ti-1, and I know nothing about Rowe boxes! This is the sentinel model I believe. Anyways, I've ordered a service manual and schematics, so hopefully that will help. The box purportedly worked fine until a few months ago, and had been semi-regularly 'serviced' whatever that entailed. What it's doing now is, it seems to accept credits fine (the little spider on the credit unit turns each time the credit switch is pushed), but it doesn't energize the coil at the top of the box by the selection unit each time. It does in one particular spot on the credit unit's pcb, usually when the spider is rotated to touch near where there's a "6" printed on the pcb. Then it energizes the relay up top, which pulls the solenoid in and allows me to select a record. >From there everything seems to work fine. However once it plays and pulls the credit unit's 'spider' off the '6' location, you can't get it to energize the relay on the selection unit again unless you manually rotate the spider back to the 6. Any ideas on where I should check? I tried cleaning up the contacts on the credit assembly pcb, and the relays up top. It didn't seem to change much! Thanks in advance, Ron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From medina115 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 28 14:10:28 2008 From: medina115 at hotmail.com (Mike Medina) Date: Fri Nov 28 14:18:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Animation Tray Question Message-ID: Hello everyone, new subscriber/jukebox owner here. I have a Seeburg M100A (converted to 45s) that is mostly complete except for the animation tray. The manual and parts list I have isn't quite clear enough in showing me what exactly is missing; as far as I can tell, the small motor (which is operational) is the only thing extant, and it doesn't seem quite right that the title strip trays are accessible from below. Since I don't have any other parts for it, I don't know how the animation is supposed to work, what parts I need to put it all back together, nor where to get them. Thanks for your input! _________________________________________________________________ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_access_112008 From medina115 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 28 14:22:06 2008 From: medina115 at hotmail.com (Mike Medina) Date: Fri Nov 28 14:23:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Paint from Mechanism Cover? Message-ID: Hello again- Someone, in a stroke of genius (pun intended), sponge-painted the cabinet and mechanism cover of the Seeburg M100A I've just acquired. I can deal with the cabinet, but I'm nervous about attempting to un-paint the plastic. I've read that model builders use SuperClean or the equivalent to strip paint. Has anyone tried this or any other technique with successful results? Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 From pinball at telus.net Fri Nov 28 14:40:50 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Nov 28 14:41:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Animation Tray Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49307372.3060402@telus.net> Mike Medina wrote: > Hello everyone, new subscriber/jukebox owner here. > > I have a Seeburg M100A (converted to 45s) that is mostly complete except for the animation tray. The manual and parts list I have isn't quite clear enough in showing me what exactly is missing; as far as I can tell, the small motor (which is operational) is the only thing extant, and it doesn't seem quite right that the title strip trays are accessible from below. Since I don't have any other parts for it, I don't know how the animation is supposed to work, what parts I need to put it all back together, nor where to get them. Thanks for your input! > > Hi Mike, We are finishing up an M100A for export and have taken copious pictures of the process. I am off for vacation but when I get back around Dec 8 I can check through the pictures and send you some that show the assembly. The title holders lift out the top of the frames, they are held on each side by channels that are secured by small bolts and "T"shaped nuts - a pair of these per channel. The animation is driven by a linkage to the animation motor that has a small counterweight on the arm, and the link is fastened to the tray via a pin that sticks out the side of the tray and an 'E' clip to keep it in place. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Fri Nov 28 14:43:15 2008 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Fri Nov 28 14:44:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Animation Tray Question References: Message-ID: <90E9E5EB549542458BA9689923264A87@JUKEBUS> Hi Mike, Welcome to the list! If you have the motor and linkage then all you need is the tray, the colour sheet that fits inside it and the 2 hangers it swings on. From memory I think there should be a clear glass below the tray, that way you can't touch it from outside the box. Places to try for original parts are Bill Butterfield (http://www.jukebox-parts.com/) or John Durfee (http://www.jukeboxparts.com/ ) or someone on this list may offer you parts. Regards, Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Medina" To: Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Animation Tray Question Hello everyone, new subscriber/jukebox owner here. I have a Seeburg M100A (converted to 45s) that is mostly complete except for the animation tray. The manual and parts list I have isn't quite clear enough in showing me what exactly is missing; as far as I can tell, the small motor (which is operational) is the only thing extant, and it doesn't seem quite right that the title strip trays are accessible from below. Since I don't have any other parts for it, I don't know how the animation is supposed to work, what parts I need to put it all back together, nor where to get them. Thanks for your input! _________________________________________________________________ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_access_112008_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1817 - Release Date: 28/11/2008 08:17 From pinball at telus.net Fri Nov 28 14:43:36 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Nov 28 14:44:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Paint from Mechanism Cover? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49307418.8030302@telus.net> Mike Medina wrote: > > Hello again- > > Someone, in a stroke of genius (pun intended), sponge-painted the cabinet and mechanism cover of the Seeburg M100A I've just acquired. I can deal with the cabinet, but I'm nervous about attempting to un-paint the plastic. I've read that model builders use SuperClean or the equivalent to strip paint. Has anyone tried this or any other technique with successful results? Thanks! > Probably lead based paint so be careful in the removal process. The mech cover is bakelite and pretty impervious to paint removers - test on the inside of the cover to be certain that it does not affect the material. Cracks in the bakelite can be fixed with Superglue, hoppy shops have several types of this - thin to thick - that can be used to fill chips and then be sanded smooth. Victory Glass sells a spray paint that is the correct colour for the cover. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Nov 28 18:33:06 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Nov 28 18:34:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Animation Tray Question In-Reply-To: <90E9E5EB549542458BA9689923264A87@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <953983.28987.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 11/28/08, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > If you have the motor and linkage then all you need is the > tray, the colour > sheet that fits inside it and the 2 hangers it swings on. > From memory I > think there should be a clear glass below the tray, that > way you can't touch it from outside the box. Mike, if you need pictures of any of these pieces, let me know and I can take pictures of mine for you. From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Fri Nov 28 22:09:18 2008 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Fri Nov 28 22:10:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Paint from Mechanism Cover? References: Message-ID: <3DC8FAB8E286454788A547B6C664BA23@Graeme> G'day, I have used Auto brake fluid to remove paint from plastic. John advised that it is made of bakelite, so I do not know if it will effect it. It is a slow process if it has been painted several times. If the paint is on the decal do not allow any thing on the reverse side of the decal. Wash with warm water and a mild laundry powder several times and keep changing the brake fluid. I find it is easiest to cover with rag soaked in the fluid for several hours, wash then repeat the process. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Medina" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:22 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing Paint from Mechanism Cover? Hello again- Someone, in a stroke of genius (pun intended), sponge-painted the cabinet and mechanism cover of the Seeburg M100A I've just acquired. I can deal with the cabinet, but I'm nervous about attempting to un-paint the plastic. I've read that model builders use SuperClean or the equivalent to strip paint. Has anyone tried this or any other technique with successful results? Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sat Nov 29 03:30:04 2008 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sat Nov 29 03:31:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg KD Cleaning Electrical Selector Panel Message-ID: <803534B0769942B190966749A5CAF244@Graeme> I have a friend that has a KD with a very dirty sticky and oily selector panel that is gummed up. What would the best way of cleaning it be? Would the same method as cleaning the mechanism as described in Ron Rich's book be correct. Is there any precautions to look out for. Graeme Harvey From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sat Nov 29 05:33:01 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sat Nov 29 05:34:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg KD Cleaning Electrical Selector Panel References: <803534B0769942B190966749A5CAF244@Graeme> Message-ID: <001101c95227$00ad0130$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I like to use an engine cleaner called Steam Premium. This one is made by Gumout, but is not kerosene based so it doesn't have that nasty odor most engine cleaners do. Remove the latch solenoid and counters, wrap the harness in a plastic bag the best you can, and spray away. I use a tooth brush to gently scrub and also work the buttons in and out several times. Simply hose down with water when you are done (although warm water works best). Unwrap it and let it sit in front of a fan for the rest of the day. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme Harvey" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 6:30 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg KD Cleaning Electrical Selector Panel I have a friend that has a KD with a very dirty sticky and oily selector panel that is gummed up. What would the best way of cleaning it be? Would the same method as cleaning the mechanism as described in Ron Rich's book be correct. Is there any precautions to look out for. Graeme Harvey _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From junkpisula at bellsouth.net Fri Nov 28 12:43:07 2008 From: junkpisula at bellsouth.net (junkpisula@bellsouth.net) Date: Sat Nov 29 08:04:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <112820082043.6525.493057DB000298530000197D22243322829B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0E049A9C079F05029A06@att.net> I am trying to connect my Rockola 1994 CD-100 Bubbler to play through my stereo in addition to or instead of the internal speakers only. This will allow me to distribute it to other areas of the house and get better sound. However, I am not sure how to accomplish this. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Joe From arie at cnwl.igs.net Sat Nov 29 13:56:47 2008 From: arie at cnwl.igs.net (arie) Date: Sat Nov 29 14:22:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2410 domeglass needed Message-ID: <7D26A23A59634A0BAF9872CB5DEF09F6@ARIE> Hello Anybody has a used 2410 dome glass for sale? Please email direct to arieatcnwl.igs.net. Thanks, Arie From david44tn at yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 09:45:25 2008 From: david44tn at yahoo.com (David Cooke) Date: Sun Nov 30 09:53:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola remote control volume wiring Message-ID: <838167.84589.qm@web52901.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'm searching for the wiring instructions for a Rockola 476,481,484 for the motorized volume control. I have the external control box and the motorized?internal box. I'm needing the instructions for wiring the external?volume control box?to the terminal strip on the?backside of the?jukebox. Any help will be very appreciated. Thanks.? ? David? From medina115 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 30 10:42:29 2008 From: medina115 at hotmail.com (Mike Medina) Date: Sun Nov 30 10:43:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Animation Tray Question -Photos In-Reply-To: <953983.28987.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <90E9E5EB549542458BA9689923264A87@JUKEBUS> <953983.28987.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, everyone, for your help! I've taken a few photos of the animation tray area on my jukebox, so you all can see what's there and what's not. If you've got photos and wouldn't mind sending them my way, please do! Much appreciated! Here are the links: http://s396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/wayoutwardell/?action=view¤t=IMG_2884.jpg http://s396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/wayoutwardell/?action=view¤t=IMG_2882.jpg http://s396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/wayoutwardell/?action=view¤t=IMG_2881.jpg http://s396.photobucket.com/albums/pp44/wayoutwardell/?action=view¤t=IMG_2883.jpg _________________________________________________________________ Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/ From recordhound at verizon.net Sun Nov 30 13:29:18 2008 From: recordhound at verizon.net (Jimmy Day) Date: Sun Nov 30 13:30:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 424 service information Message-ID: <9301236B10A248749ADA1C7ACAE0D1DC@screwylo> Well - Greetings one and all. I have the service manual but it does not have any wiring diagrams except for the amplifier. And it has no exploded views of the mechanism. The mech is now in little bitty pieces being cleaned - and although I have taken LOTS of pictures, I would feel "safer" having this info. This box also had a strange selector problem and some of the wiring around the selectors has been "re-engineered". I am hoping someone has a source for these? BTW - As soon as it stops *raining* here, I will try the laminate removal, and thank you everyone for their input and we'll see what happens! *JJD From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Sun Nov 30 13:41:29 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Sun Nov 30 13:42:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 424 service information In-Reply-To: <9301236B10A248749ADA1C7ACAE0D1DC@screwylo> References: <9301236B10A248749ADA1C7ACAE0D1DC@screwylo> Message-ID: By chance does the 424 have a separate parts catalog? Most later Rockolas had a parts catalog that was separate from the service manual, and had detailed exploded parts views. Not sure if this was the case with the 424? Thomas On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Jimmy Day wrote: > Well - > > Greetings one and all. > > I have the service manual but it does not have any wiring diagrams except > for the amplifier. And it has no exploded views of the mechanism. > > The mech is now in little bitty pieces being cleaned - and although I have > taken LOTS of pictures, I would feel "safer" having this info. > > This box also had a strange selector problem and some of the wiring around > the selectors has been "re-engineered". > > I am hoping someone has a source for these? > > BTW - As soon as it stops *raining* here, I will try the laminate removal, > and thank you everyone for their input and we'll see what happens! > > *JJD > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From recordhound at verizon.net Sun Nov 30 13:18:19 2008 From: recordhound at verizon.net (Jimmy Day) Date: Sun Nov 30 14:20:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List Message-ID: Hey David - "Santa Plays The Trombone (In The North Pole Band)" - Chuck Murphy. And put "Boogie Woogie Santa Claus" (Patti Page) in there too! happy holidays and happy jukin! *jimmy From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Sun Nov 30 14:33:39 2008 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Sun Nov 30 14:34:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2410 domeglass needed References: <7D26A23A59634A0BAF9872CB5DEF09F6@ARIE> Message-ID: Arie I think I have a dome glass, but will be exspensive. Just let me know and I will look in warehouse. Roy It's the support of the REPUTABLE DEALERS by loyal customers who keep the HOBBY alive. The Jukebox Junkyard p.o. box 338 Lizella, Ga. 31052 USA 678-833-5749 www.jukebox-junkyard.com 9--5 EST Mon--Fri From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Sun Nov 30 14:53:59 2008 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Sun Nov 30 14:57:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WTB: NSM Concert 240 - III (Model 240-3) Service Manual Message-ID: All - I'm looking for a service manual for an NSM Model 240-3 (Concert 240 III) jukebox. Also am looking for the chromed plastic shields to fit the ES3/ES4 carriage. Any leads would be appreciated. -- Jon Scaptura Binghamton Radio Online http://www.binghamtonradio.com From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 15:12:41 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Nov 30 15:13:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <443370.31097.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Jimmy Day wrote: > "Santa Plays The Trombone (In The North Pole > Band)" - Chuck Murphy. > And put "Boogie Woogie Santa Claus" (Patti Page) > in there too! I'll keep an eye out for those. Thanks! From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 15:23:19 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Nov 30 15:24:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Animation Tray Question -Photos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <286711.89281.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Mike Medina wrote: > Thanks, everyone, for your help! I've taken a few photos > of the animation tray area on my jukebox, so you all can see > what's there and what's not. If you've got > photos and wouldn't mind sending them my way, please do! It looks like you have the motor, but are missing the rotating arm and counterweight, the tray assembly, and the glass that goes under the tray. I've posted some quickly-grabbed cell phone pictures here: This shows the counterweight at the top of its rotation. This and the picture below are taken through the title strip glass. http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/m100a-filter-tray.jpg This shows the counterweight at almost the bottom of its rotation, with the pin that engages the arm on the filter tray to move it forwards and back. http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/m100a-motor-assy.jpg This is looking up and to the right to the glass under the filter tray. http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/m100a-glass-under-tray.jpg From stamann at jukebox-world.de Sun Nov 30 23:00:52 2008 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Sun Nov 30 23:02:11 2008 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Animation Tray Question Message-ID: Hello Mike, we made all the parts which are needed for the M100A animation cradle. You find the complete unit and all individual parts in our online shop - just in case you can't locate original parts. Kind regards - Oliver Stamann ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ All about Jukeboxes: mailorder business, classified ads, forum, archive and serial number database at www.jukebox-world.de/index_en.html -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Medina Gesendet: Freitag, 28. November 2008 23:32 An: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Betreff: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Animation Tray Question Hello everyone, new subscriber/jukebox owner here. I have a Seeburg M100A (converted to 45s) that is mostly complete except for the animation tray. The manual and parts list I have isn't quite clear enough in showing me what exactly is missing; as far as I can tell, the small motor (which is operational) is the only thing extant, and it doesn't seem quite right that the title strip trays are accessible from below. Since I don't have any other parts for it, I don't know how the animation is supposed to work, what parts I need to put it all back together, nor where to get them. Thanks for your input! _________________________________________________________________ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_access_112008_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list