From nheckley at telus.net Mon Dec 1 10:26:51 2008 From: nheckley at telus.net (norm) Date: Sun Nov 30 22:50:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Animation Tray Question References: <49307372.3060402@telus.net> Message-ID: <001201c953e2$621000a0$4201a8c0@domain.invalid> Hello John , I would also be very interested in seeing your pictures of the 100A.I would love to see all the pics of the restoration. Thanks Norm from Vancouver Island ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Animation Tray Question > Mike Medina wrote: > > Hello everyone, new subscriber/jukebox owner here. > > > > I have a Seeburg M100A (converted to 45s) that is mostly complete except for the animation tray. The manual and parts list I have isn't quite clear enough in showing me what exactly is missing; as far as I can tell, the small motor (which is operational) is the only thing extant, and it doesn't seem quite right that the title strip trays are accessible from below. Since I don't have any other parts for it, I don't know how the animation is supposed to work, what parts I need to put it all back together, nor where to get them. Thanks for your input! > > > > > Hi Mike, > > We are finishing up an M100A for export and have taken copious pictures > of the process. I am off for vacation but when I get back around Dec 8 I > can check through the pictures and send you some that show the assembly. > > The title holders lift out the top of the frames, they are held on each > side by channels that are secured by small bolts and "T"shaped nuts - > a pair of these per channel. > > The animation is driven by a linkage to the animation motor that has a > small counterweight on the arm, and the link is fastened to the tray via > a pin that sticks out the side of the tray and an 'E' clip to keep it in > place. > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > > From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Dec 1 05:57:04 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Mon Dec 1 05:54:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List Message-ID: <200812010857671.SM01916@[192.168.1.206]> Hey David....is that version of the Christmas Song by Nat King Cole on your M100A the original version where it's the Trio ONLY... or is it the second version where it's the Trio with strings? I've been trying to find the Trio only version for years now with very little luck. The third version is the one on Nat's "Christmas Song" album from 1960 or something like that - and will obviously not be on 78. If memory serves me correctly, the first version appeared as the A side with a non-Christmas type tune on the B side of the same record. Aaron From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 07:10:05 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Dec 1 07:11:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List In-Reply-To: <200812010832443.SM01916@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <486051.10700.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: > Hey David....is that version of the Christmas Song by Nat > King Cole on your M100A the original version where it's > the Trio ONLY... or is it the second version where it's > the Trio with strings? This one has strings. I don't think I've heard the earlier version. The artist is credited as "The King Cole Trio (with String Choir)." It's a black label Capitol, matrix number 281-2R-4. The B side is "In the Cool of Evening." From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 08:38:09 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 1 08:39:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List In-Reply-To: <200812010857671.SM01916@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <328906.52872.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Aaron, I have a version on 45 that has a "non Christmas" side (don't recall what it is)--I did not pay too much attention to it, but I put it on my M100B that's in a Ristorante this weekend--I'll listen to it next time I'm there, and let yo know--I MAY have an extra copy, but if so, it is 45rpm. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 5:57 AM Hey David....is that version of the Christmas Song by Nat King Cole on your M100A the original version where it's the Trio ONLY... or is it the second version where it's the Trio with strings? I've been trying to find the Trio only version for years now with very little luck. The third version is the one on Nat's "Christmas Song" album from 1960 or something like that - and will obviously not be on 78. If memory serves me correctly, the first version appeared as the A side with a non-Christmas type tune on the B side of the same record. Aaron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bobfav at cox.net Mon Dec 1 08:53:48 2008 From: bobfav at cox.net (bobfav@cox.net) Date: Mon Dec 1 09:21:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola Liquor Cabinet In-Reply-To: <20081130200003.05BF0AAB91@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <20081201115348.B19A6.344396.imail@eastrmwml42> I am going to try this one more time. I have a Rock-Ola liquor cabinet for sale. No glassware but the interior is complete and has a good Rock-Ola label inside. In very good shape, I might wax and touch up but definitely not refinish. Shipping it will be a real pain so if anyone is within driving distance and wants it, make me an offer I cannot refuse. I need to make room here. We live in Rhode Island. Bobfav@cox.net From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Dec 1 09:28:39 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Mon Dec 1 09:25:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List Message-ID: <200812011228502.SM01916@[192.168.1.206]> Thanks so much, Ron. I have several copies of it on 45...all version two with strings and one from the 1960 Christmas Song album. It's the first recording of the song by just the Trio that's been elusive. I'm not sure if this is going to work, but I put an MP3 of the original 1946 Trio only version up on my home server. I have no way to test to see if it works since downloading MP3s is a banned thing here at work, but if you click on the link below, you will hopefully be prompted to either download or play the MP3 through whatever you have as your default player on your computer. Please let me know if anyone has any issues hearing the file and I'll try something different when I get home later this evening. http://www.buffalohistoryworks.com/nat/KKT_CS1946.mp3 Aaron Heverin -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich ronnnrich@yahoo.com Sent 12/1/2008 11:38:09 AM To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List Aaron, I have a version on 45 that has a "non Christmas" side (don't recall what it is)--I did not pay too much attention to it, but I put it on my M100B that's in a Ristorante this weekend--I'll listen to it next time I'm there, and let yo know--I MAY have an extra copy, but if so, it is 45rpm. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Aaron Heverin aaron@vertasource.com wrote: From: Aaron Heverin aaron@vertasource.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 5:57 AM Hey David....is that version of the Christmas Song by Nat King Cole on your M100A the original version where it's the Trio ONLY... or is it the second version where it's the Trio with strings? I've been trying to find the Trio only version for years now with very little luck. The third version is the one on Nat's "Christmas Song" album from 1960 or something like that - and will obviously not be on 78. If memory serves me correctly, the first version appeared as the A side with a non-Christmas type tune on the B side of the same record. Aaron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 09:27:26 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Mon Dec 1 09:28:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List In-Reply-To: <486051.10700.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200812010832443.SM01916@192.168.1.206> <486051.10700.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690812010927r544a3fy68c099e20c42e4fb@mail.gmail.com> Here is the version with strings, backed with "All I want for Xmas is my..." on Capitol purple label.#90036 year 1954 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220321611260 another one is #15201 backed with what? http://cgi.ebay.com/Capitol-78-The-King-Cole-Trio-The-Christmas-Song_W0QQitemZ380085492227 here's from http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/12/09/091304.php ""The Christmas Song" was introduced to Nat in May 1946 by singer/songwriter Mel Torm? . Nat loved the song and wanted to record it in a larger setting than his trio butCapitol Records was very reluctant about having strings on the recording. Nat convinced Capitol (aka "The House That Nat Built") to let him record "The Christmas Song" with strings. The song was released in November 1946 and reached #3 on the pop and R&B charts. Capitol reissued it every holiday season for the next 7 years, and each year it would chart in the top 5. In 1953 Nat recorded it again, this time withNelson Riddle conducting, and, of course, with many more than the four original strings. This version was reissued for the next 8 years. Then, in 1961, Nat recorded the stereo version, with Ralph Carmichael conducting. This was the last time he recorded it, and to the present time, this is the rendition that Capitol reissues regularly. *The Christmas Song*, the album, came to life in 1960 but not without some resistance. Nat was very happy with just having "The Christmas Song." He did not want to compete with the other popular holiday music of the day. He finally gave in to Capitol's persuasion and recorded the album which we love today. I have always been fanscinated by the rich orchestrations and the 20 angelic voices that accompanied Nat's honey-toned baritone voice. The album was reissued in 1999 and includes "God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen" and "O Come All Ye Faithful" which were never previously issued. It also includes the carefully engineered duet on "The Christmas Song" with his daughter, Natalie, which features a host of strings and other wonderful instruments from the London Symphony Orchestra. Dick LaPalm, who traveled with Nat for 13 years, provided the excellent liner notes for the reissue which were my personal history lesson about the making of this classic album." Here's one of many resources on the web, most don't cover shellac http://www.natkingcole.com/discography.aspx. Nat Cole was a terrific piano player, even voted as #1 in America in the late forties. It was a great loss when Capitol persuaded him to drop his piano playing and promote only his voice which of course brought in the big money. Check out some of his early recordings without vocal if you can find them - they are really cool. Jens On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:10 PM, David Breneman wrote: > --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: > > > > Hey David....is that version of the Christmas Song by Nat > > King Cole on your M100A the original version where it's > > the Trio ONLY... or is it the second version where it's > > the Trio with strings? > > This one has strings. I don't think I've heard the > earlier version. The artist is credited as "The King > Cole Trio (with String Choir)." It's a black label > Capitol, matrix number 281-2R-4. The B side is "In the > Cool of Evening." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jeffzurn at cox.net Mon Dec 1 09:33:06 2008 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Mon Dec 1 09:34:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List References: <200812011228502.SM01916@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <000e01c953da$df375090$20964c09@ZURNT60> Aaron, Firefox 2.0.0.17 loaded your MP3 easily and played it with whatever embedded player FF likes - sounds great! Thanks for sharing. Jeff Zurn Arizona Jukebox Company ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Heverin" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List Thanks so much, Ron. I have several copies of it on 45...all version two with strings and one from the 1960 Christmas Song album. It's the first recording of the song by just the Trio that's been elusive. I'm not sure if this is going to work, but I put an MP3 of the original 1946 Trio only version up on my home server. I have no way to test to see if it works since downloading MP3s is a banned thing here at work, but if you click on the link below, you will hopefully be prompted to either download or play the MP3 through whatever you have as your default player on your computer. Please let me know if anyone has any issues hearing the file and I'll try something different when I get home later this evening. http://www.buffalohistoryworks.com/nat/KKT_CS1946.mp3 Aaron Heverin -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich ronnnrich@yahoo.com Sent 12/1/2008 11:38:09 AM To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List Aaron, I have a version on 45 that has a "non Christmas" side (don't recall what it is)--I did not pay too much attention to it, but I put it on my M100B that's in a Ristorante this weekend--I'll listen to it next time I'm there, and let yo know--I MAY have an extra copy, but if so, it is 45rpm. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Aaron Heverin aaron@vertasource.com wrote: From: Aaron Heverin aaron@vertasource.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 5:57 AM Hey David....is that version of the Christmas Song by Nat King Cole on your M100A the original version where it's the Trio ONLY... or is it the second version where it's the Trio with strings? I've been trying to find the Trio only version for years now with very little luck. The third version is the one on Nat's "Christmas Song" album from 1960 or something like that - and will obviously not be on 78. If memory serves me correctly, the first version appeared as the A side with a non-Christmas type tune on the B side of the same record. Aaron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Dec 1 09:38:59 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Mon Dec 1 09:35:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List Message-ID: <200812011238381.SM01916@[192.168.1.206]> OH DARN!! Fooled again. I decided to actually USE the Internet for research and I looked up "The Christmas Song - Nat King Cole" on Wikipedia. I found that the original 1946 Trio only version was never released until 1989 - when it appeared on a Billboard Christmas compilation CD. Apparently, the "String Choir" version was recorded the same year - 1946 - two months later - because Nat wanted to re-record the song with strings. The upper-class at Capitol records didn't want to do it. But of course, they gave in...Nat made the record...and it became a huge hit. Go figure...since the Trio was one of the hottest and most popular small Jazz groups in the country for so many years prior to this recording being made. Even though the song with strings is the one mostly associated with Nat's version of the song...the first Trio version has a very warm place in my heart because I absolutely love the King Cole Trio. No jukebox is complete without at least ONE KKT song in their 78 player. Now I'm bummed. A. From artnchar at juno.com Mon Dec 1 10:15:12 2008 From: artnchar at juno.com (Arthur A Beniek) Date: Mon Dec 1 10:17:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: 3400 wurlitzer Message-ID: <20081201.121512.4796.10.Artnchar@juno.com> Subject: 3400 wurlitzer I have a 3400 Wurlitzer that has a bad "Readout arm switch" Part # 133448 or part # 135802 which is the switch and actuator for side 1. Could you check your inventory and let me know if you have either of these parts and a price? Thanks Art E-mail Artnchar@juno.com Home phone 952-474-4482 Cell # 612-387-8860 ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2USkfGSIwyxq3juuSMQ4QFcJt6lMWpm4NYiYcSANeaL68Yu/ From jay at west.net Mon Dec 1 10:56:32 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Dec 1 10:57:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Holiday Play List In-Reply-To: <000e01c953da$df375090$20964c09@ZURNT60> References: <200812011228502.SM01916@[192.168.1.206]> <000e01c953da$df375090$20964c09@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <49343360.2070806@west.net> Might anyone have a clean MP3 of "Silent Night" by Huey "Piano" Smith and the Clowns or even better a 45 or 78? I heard this on the radio last year at Christmas and have been trying to locate it. Great rendition, the only up-tempo Silent Night I've heard. And now, for something completely different... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De47fjH6RKY -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From gibson510 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 1 11:02:11 2008 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Mon Dec 1 11:03:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 433 GP160 Message-ID: I'm working on a 433 that will play fine for the first couple songs, but then on the 3rd play sound goes muted, and the gripper motor does not energize when the tonearm moves into cut off position. If I remove the cable between the amp and the power supply that controls the muting and amplifier filaments, the sound will return but the gripper motor still does not energize. The power supply has the original selenium rectifier and I think this is where my trouble lies. Any Rockola owners experience this problem before? Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_access_112008 From ccos at knology.net Mon Dec 1 11:42:37 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Dec 1 11:43:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] JAO Amp (R-3390-A) References: <49A4972C0C4442D7A5190EEFBCA4F7C0@home31b34d4856><492D9B65.2080805@telus.net> <492DC94D.8060504@west.net> Message-ID: <87C9D8357551492CB8FE90AF896F8137@home31b34d4856> Jay, John, Jim, Thanks for your responses re the hum balance pots. I'm curious though, what is meant by "not really critical"? Can I sub in a 1 watt fixed resistor between 0 and 100 ohms that causes no hum? I'm kind of shaky on the idea of hum "balance" anyway. The amp is working, and recapped, but I'd just like to make sure a customer who buys the jukebox from me doesn't have problems with it. TIA, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] JAO Amp (R-3390-A) > > CCOS wrote: >> Does anyone know the value of the Hum Balance pot in these amps? Mine are >> rotten and I can't find em on the schematic. TIA, > > Is this across the 6.3 volt filaments, wiper to ground? Typically 100 > ohms wirewound. Not really critical. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From jay at west.net Mon Dec 1 12:04:41 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Dec 1 12:05:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] JAO Amp (R-3390-A) In-Reply-To: <87C9D8357551492CB8FE90AF896F8137@home31b34d4856> References: <49A4972C0C4442D7A5190EEFBCA4F7C0@home31b34d4856><492D9B65.2080805@telus.net> <492DC94D.8060504@west.net> <87C9D8357551492CB8FE90AF896F8137@home31b34d4856> Message-ID: <49344359.3040508@west.net> CCOS wrote: > Jay, John, Jim, > > Thanks for your responses re the hum balance pots. I'm curious though, > what is meant by "not really critical"? Can I sub in a 1 watt fixed > resistor between 0 and 100 ohms that causes no hum? I'm kind of shaky > on the idea of hum "balance" anyway. The amp is working, and recapped, > but I'd just like to make sure a customer who buys the jukebox from me > doesn't have problems with it. TIA, You could substitute two 50-ohm (47 is close enough standard value) resistors, one end of each grounded and the other to each end of the heater winding. Gory details follow... Tube heaters (filaments) are tungsten wires, insulated and folded inside a metal tube, the cathode. They are powered by a 6.3 volt AC winding on the transformer. These heaters are electrically isolated from the active tube elements, but physically inside of the active cathodes which they heat. In a perfect world there would be no interaction between the active tube elements and the heaters. However, the capacitance between both ends of the heaters may be slightly different, and other subtle influences of wires close to each other may cause some of the AC heater voltage to be picked up and amplified. Both sides of the heater winding are isolated from ground. The hum balance pot has its wiper grounded, and the ends connected to both sides of the heater windings. The idea is that if one side of the heater wiring is picked up and amplified more than the other, by adjusting the midpoint ground this can be minimized. That's what the adjustment pot does. If things are well isolated, you may not hear any hum due to the heater wiring at any position of the control. By "not critical" I meant that there is little current flowing through the wiper and any value from 100 to 250 ohms or so will work. There is 6 volts across the control so going lower in value will cause undue heating and load on the transformer. Heater power is one of those things that amplifier manufacturers refine on a cost/fidelity curve. Cheapest: AC winding to heaters, not connected to anything else. No attempt to balance or account for heater-induced hum. Better: AC winding with center-tap grounded (same as your setup with the pot exactly in the center, for all practical purposes). Even better: AC winding with balance pot for fine adjustment, as in your amplifier. Best: Separate low-voltage rectified DC supply for the heaters. This is often found in high-end audiophile rigs. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Dec 1 12:27:46 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Dec 1 12:30:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] JAO Amp (R-3390-A) Message-ID: <20081201.152746.17324.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Karl: The hum balance pot is wired across the AC tube filament line in an amplifier circuit with the wiper arm connected to chassis ground. The pot was to be adjusted for minimum hum (noise floor) with the amp on, but no audio input present. In some cases,I've seen tube amp enthusiasts install a rectifier into this circuit to make it quieter. If you want to see an example of the hum balance pot in a schematic, look up an AMI R 2620 amp (used in JAL, JEL, maybe others) It's shown here. Some early 50's Seeburg mono amps (for J, R,V,VL,maybe others) also used hum bal. pots. I had to replace one of these controls recently. Ack Electronics in Atl. GA (www.acksupply.com--PH 404 351 6340) had suitable Ohmite controls (complete with the short screwdriver-adj. shaft) in stock. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to consolidate your debt in minutes, stop late or over-limit fees, pay less. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9KZbQBdRbJjXEyXXVE47KETkHCjHghc2csN9pDgMLeYxm1o/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Dec 1 12:34:14 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Dec 1 12:37:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] JAO Amp (R-3390-A) Message-ID: <20081201.153414.17324.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Jay: Wow. 'Nuff said. This scholarly,complete response covers all aspects/possibilities of the need/use for hum balance pots in tube type amplifiers. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Fix your credit report today. Click here for fast and effective programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9KJQLXsIFAoeNlVWTDKvZPEtI5S1BlQ44PWDwqmMkAFl3Su/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 12:48:41 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Dec 1 12:49:47 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List In-Reply-To: <3154d3690812010927r544a3fy68c099e20c42e4fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <849703.92831.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Jens Hultgren quotes: > Nat > loved the song and wanted to record it in a larger setting > than his trio butCapitol Records was very reluctant about > having strings on the recording. Nat convinced Capitol > to let him record "The Christmas Song" with strings. > In 1953 Nat recorded it again, this time withNelson Riddle > conducting, and, of course, with many more than the four > original strings. Well, this makes it sound like the original was recorded *with* strings, albeit only a few. That sounds (from its description) like the one I have. Does the Nelson Riddle version credit him on the label? I noticed that the purple and blue label Capitol versions on Ebay have different serial numbers (also different from mine) and a different matrix number than mine. The purple labeled one has a "Z" suffix (26 matrices off the same master!) whereas mine is "B". I gave a listen to Aaron's mp3 and I was right - I have never heard that version. Since the strings/no-strings account in Jens' quote is a little ambiguous, I wonder if Aaron's version is an alternate take from the same session. It would be interesting to know what numbers are stamped in the runout area of the record Aaron is looking for. Unfortunately, we don't know all the info for the Ebay ones as most Ebay record sellers are too stupid to include this important information, and the seller of the purple labeled one actually cuts it off in his picture. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 12:50:58 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Dec 1 12:52:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List In-Reply-To: <200812011238381.SM01916@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <835597.15392.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: > Fooled again. I decided to actually USE the Internet for > research and I looked up "The Christmas Song - Nat King > Cole" on Wikipedia. I found that the original 1946 Trio > only version was never released until 1989 - when it > appeared on a Billboard Christmas compilation CD. Bad news for you, but I guessed right - an alternate take. That means *something* good came of this. ;-) From tjmertz at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 1 13:43:18 2008 From: tjmertz at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Mertz) Date: Mon Dec 1 13:49:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Holiday Play List In-Reply-To: <49343360.2070806@west.net> Message-ID: <481223.39995.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Link here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LF6CF8JE ? I've got the lp and cd, but no 45 or 78. ? You might also check the Rotary Connection version: http://nurse-marbles.livejournal.com/61891.html ? TJ Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on?Madison Public Schools --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Holiday Play List To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 12:56 PM Might anyone have a clean MP3 of "Silent Night" by Huey "Piano" Smith and the Clowns or even better a 45 or 78? I heard this on the radio last year at Christmas and have been trying to locate it. Great rendition, the only up-tempo Silent Night I've heard. And now, for something completely different... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De47fjH6RKY -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 1 18:30:55 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Mon Dec 1 18:32:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 433 GP160 References: Message-ID: <000801c95426$0134d5a0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> When the tonearm switch makes, the reverse relay should pull in, and a set of contacts on that relay will activate the gripper motor. If the relay is pulling in, most likely you have dirty contacts. If the relay is not pulling in, check microswitch #1. Another possibility is that microswitch #3 is intermittent or actuating a bit too late, allowing the gripper motor to run too far and jam up as the record is placed on the turntable. You can easily check this by turning the motor shaft by hand. If the power supply was at fault (very possible) I think you would see other things first such as erratic selections, slow magazine and gripper motors, etc. Let us know what you find. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick murray" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:02 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 433 GP160 I'm working on a 433 that will play fine for the first couple songs, but then on the 3rd play sound goes muted, and the gripper motor does not energize when the tonearm moves into cut off position. If I remove the cable between the amp and the power supply that controls the muting and amplifier filaments, the sound will return but the gripper motor still does not energize. The power supply has the original selenium rectifier and I think this is where my trouble lies. Any Rockola owners experience this problem before? Thanks Rick _________________________________________________________________ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_access_112008_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From IMCraig at comcast.net Mon Dec 1 19:33:22 2008 From: IMCraig at comcast.net (Craig Bellamy) Date: Mon Dec 1 19:40:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C Service switch Message-ID: Just got hold of a charity case Seeburg 'C'. Everything seems complete except the Service switch is missing the Scan switch. The Motor switch is ok with 3 wires running wild which go to the missing scan switch. I'm trying to get a new DPDT Toggle but I'm not sure if it needs to be a ON - (momentary ) ON or a Off - (momentary) ON. Can someone help? Thanks Craig From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 19:45:19 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 1 19:46:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List In-Reply-To: <200812011228502.SM01916@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <751085.21473.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Played fine here--no I ainna got it ! Sorry. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 9:28 AM Thanks so much, Ron. I have several copies of it on 45...all version two with strings and one from the 1960 Christmas Song album. It's the first recording of the song by just the Trio that's been elusive. I'm not sure if this is going to work, but I put an MP3 of the original 1946 Trio only version up on my home server. I have no way to test to see if it works since downloading MP3s is a banned thing here at work, but if you click on the link below, you will hopefully be prompted to either download or play the MP3 through whatever you have as your default player on your computer. Please let me know if anyone has any issues hearing the file and I'll try something different when I get home later this evening. http://www.buffalohistoryworks.com/nat/KKT_CS1946.mp3 Aaron Heverin -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich ronnnrich@yahoo.com Sent 12/1/2008 11:38:09 AM To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List Aaron, I have a version on 45 that has a "non Christmas" side (don't recall what it is)--I did not pay too much attention to it, but I put it on my M100B that's in a Ristorante this weekend--I'll listen to it next time I'm there, and let yo know--I MAY have an extra copy, but if so, it is 45rpm. Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Aaron Heverin aaron@vertasource.com wrote: From: Aaron Heverin aaron@vertasource.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Holiday 78 Play List To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 5:57 AM Hey David....is that version of the Christmas Song by Nat King Cole on your M100A the original version where it's the Trio ONLY... or is it the second version where it's the Trio with strings? I've been trying to find the Trio only version for years now with very little luck. The third version is the one on Nat's "Christmas Song" album from 1960 or something like that - and will obviously not be on 78. If memory serves me correctly, the first version appeared as the A side with a non-Christmas type tune on the B side of the same record. Aaron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 19:55:32 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 1 19:56:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Holiday Play List In-Reply-To: <49343360.2070806@west.net> Message-ID: <409721.30600.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, I watched/listened to that for 6 min 33 seconds--What's different about it ?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Holiday Play List To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 10:56 AM Might anyone have a clean MP3 of "Silent Night" by Huey "Piano" Smith and the Clowns or even better a 45 or 78? I heard this on the radio last year at Christmas and have been trying to locate it. Great rendition, the only up-tempo Silent Night I've heard. And now, for something completely different... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De47fjH6RKY -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Mon Dec 1 20:07:34 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Dec 1 20:08:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Holiday Play List In-Reply-To: <409721.30600.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <409721.30600.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4934B486.8050400@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Jay, > I watched/listened to that for 6 min 33 seconds--What's different about it ?? Ron Rich Well, it isn't exactly the traditional rendition or arrangement. :-) > And now, for something completely different... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De47fjH6RKY -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 20:20:55 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 1 20:21:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C Service switch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <105746.14114.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Craig, Check page # 1111 in the service manual--only page number I can recall, without looking it up---Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Craig Bellamy wrote: From: Craig Bellamy Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg C Service switch To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 7:33 PM Just got hold of a charity case Seeburg 'C'. Everything seems complete except the Service switch is missing the Scan switch. The Motor switch is ok with 3 wires running wild which go to the missing scan switch. I'm trying to get a new DPDT Toggle but I'm not sure if it needs to be a ON - (momentary ) ON or a Off - (momentary) ON. Can someone help? Thanks Craig _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 20:28:19 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 1 20:29:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Holiday Play List In-Reply-To: <4934B486.8050400@west.net> Message-ID: <329602.40142.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It's not ?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Holiday Play List To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 8:07 PM Ron Rich wrote: > Jay, > I watched/listened to that for 6 min 33 seconds--What's different about it ?? Ron Rich Well, it isn't exactly the traditional rendition or arrangement. :-) > And now, for something completely different... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De47fjH6RKY -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michelle1980.dy at hotmail.com Tue Dec 2 04:20:26 2008 From: michelle1980.dy at hotmail.com (Michelle Dyke) Date: Tue Dec 2 04:26:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WURLITZER 600 CLASSIC 1939-- PRICE Message-ID: HI EVERYONE, I NEED ALITTLE HELP PLEASE, I HAVE A WURLIZTER 600 CLASSIC MADE IN 1939, PLAYS 78RPM, IN GREAT CONDITION. I HAVE NO REAL IDEA WHAT IT IS WORTH AND HAVE HAD MANY PEOPLE TELLING ME DIFFERENT PRICES, MAINLY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BUY IT !!!!. SO I AM LOOKING FOR A BIT OF HONEST ADVISE PLEASE. MANY THANKS MICHELLE _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 08:03:36 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 2 08:06:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WURLITZER 600 CLASSIC 1939-- PRICE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <938891.93438.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Michelle, Nobody can tell you that, as it is dependant almost totaly on condition. When I assess a machine, I look at mostly the operating parts, as I am not a "cabinet" person. Others will assess it on the originality/condition of the cabinet, paying little, if no attention to the "repair" work that has been done inside. The latest AJ price guide (05)? I have lists it from $500 to $4200--You can purchase a later price guide?from www.alwaysjukin.com Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Michelle Dyke wrote: From: Michelle Dyke Subject: [Jukebox-list] WURLITZER 600 CLASSIC 1939-- PRICE To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:20 AM HI EVERYONE, I NEED ALITTLE HELP PLEASE, I HAVE A WURLIZTER 600 CLASSIC MADE IN 1939, PLAYS 78RPM, IN GREAT CONDITION. I HAVE NO REAL IDEA WHAT IT IS WORTH AND HAVE HAD MANY PEOPLE TELLING ME DIFFERENT PRICES, MAINLY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BUY IT !!!!. SO I AM LOOKING FOR A BIT OF HONEST ADVISE PLEASE. MANY THANKS MICHELLE _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Dec 2 12:53:03 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Dec 2 12:56:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] WURLITZER 600 CLASSIC 1939-- PRICE Message-ID: <20081202.155303.19555.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Hello Michelle: The Always Jukin' price guide is loosely regarded as the "blue book" for prices of collectible jukeboxes, although numerous other conditions factor into the selling price, like Ron Rich mentioned. Their website is : www.alwaysjukin.com The stagnant economy is also having an effect on the asking prices for jukeboxes. You can see examples of selling prices for jukeboxes online at E Bay and Craigslist. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8VZ6u8Srv59XFsLzJNZ0b0xK2xmuyYZKZFTYW0OmqLzBySi/ From joe400f at shaw.ca Tue Dec 2 16:39:38 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Tue Dec 2 16:41:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI cartridge revisited Message-ID: <002401c954df$9fa3c480$939f4f18@compaq> I bought a new Shure M44-7 cartridge for the AMI G. It comes with instructions, a small screwdriver, screws and short jumper leads. Nice kit. Also a nice little flip up needle guard. The instructions don't show how to hook it up as mono. My question is do you just use one side of the cartridge or parallel the left and right and parallel the grounds? I don't want to damage anything so I am asking. Also, when I modify the mounting bosses on the cartridge to fit the tone arm, do I recess the cartridge to the point that the top of the cartridge will sit against the tone arm? That would be the top of the cartridge seated against the bottom side of the tone arm. Joey McDonald From jay at west.net Tue Dec 2 17:12:21 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Dec 2 17:13:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI cartridge revisited In-Reply-To: <002401c954df$9fa3c480$939f4f18@compaq> References: <002401c954df$9fa3c480$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: <4935DCF5.6070201@west.net> Joey McDonald wrote: > I bought a new Shure M44-7 cartridge for the AMI G. It comes with instructions, a small screwdriver, screws and short jumper leads. Nice kit. Also a nice little flip up needle guard. > > The instructions don't show how to hook it up as mono. My question is do you just use one side of the cartridge or parallel the left and right and parallel the grounds? > > I don't want to damage anything so I am asking. I prefer to wire them in series, but parallel is more common. Series gives a higher voltage output. Series wiring: If you look closely at the cartridge you'll see a clip between the metal cartridge body and one of the grounds, usually left (LG). Connect the shield there. Jumper L and RG together. Connect R to the center conductor. Parallel wiring: Connect LG, RG, and shield together. Connect L, R, and center conductor together. No likelihood of damage from mis-connecting things, precautions to take are to remove the stylus during assembly and mounting to protect it from getting damaged. Also, don't solder directly to the pins or to the clips while on the cartridge. Soldering heat can damage the cartridge innards. > Also, when I modify the mounting bosses on the cartridge to fit the tone arm, do I recess the cartridge to the point that the top of the cartridge will sit against the tone arm? That would be the top of the cartridge seated against the bottom side of the tone arm. Yep. If you take a little too much off that's fine as the top of the cartridge is flat. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From gibson510 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 3 05:09:54 2008 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Wed Dec 3 05:11:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola GP433 Message-ID: When the tonearm switch makes, the reverse relay should pull in, and a set of contacts on that relay will activate the gripper motor. If the relay is pulling in, most likely you have dirty contacts. If the relay is not pulling in, check microswitch #1. Another possibility is that microswitch #3 is intermittent or actuating a bit too late, allowing the gripper motor to run too far and jam up as the record is placed on the turntable. You can easily check this by turning the motor shaft by hand. If the power supply was at fault (very possible) I think you would see other things first such as erratic selections, slow magazine and gripper motors, etc. Let us know what you find. Jim Jim thanks for the info. Since my last posting I have removed the power supply and all voltages check out ok. I'm going to try your suggestion of moving the gripper motor manually while the tonearm is in the cut-off position first then I'll check the relay. It is strange though that it works fine for 2 plays then does not. That seems more like a cap going bad after it warms up. I'll keep searching. I wish Charlie was here to help. I miss him. _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Wed Dec 3 05:51:41 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Wed Dec 3 05:52:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI cartridge revisited In-Reply-To: <002401c954df$9fa3c480$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: <19495.36342.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> HI: For mono just bridge the left and right as your hot (aka positive lead) and also bridge the 2 grounds and use that as the one ground lead. I am surprised you not using a GE Golden Treasure. In anycase sometimes you can find an old adapter for a Shure cart --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI cartridge revisited To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 7:39 PM I bought a new Shure M44-7 cartridge for the AMI G. It comes with instructions, a small screwdriver, screws and short jumper leads. Nice kit. Also a nice little flip up needle guard. The instructions don't show how to hook it up as mono. My question is do you just use one side of the cartridge or parallel the left and right and parallel the grounds? I don't want to damage anything so I am asking. Also, when I modify the mounting bosses on the cartridge to fit the tone arm, do I recess the cartridge to the point that the top of the cartridge will sit against the tone arm? That would be the top of the cartridge seated against the bottom side of the tone arm. Joey McDonald _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From ccos at knology.net Wed Dec 3 05:53:15 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Dec 3 05:54:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] JAO Amp (R-3390-A) References: <49A4972C0C4442D7A5190EEFBCA4F7C0@home31b34d4856><492D9B65.2080805@telus.net> <492DC94D.8060504@west.net><87C9D8357551492CB8FE90AF896F8137@home31b34d4856> <49344359.3040508@west.net> Message-ID: <1459CC3BA4C14D71940F6DAFA26C0130@home31b34d4856> Thanks Jay. You've been a big help on this. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] JAO Amp (R-3390-A) > CCOS wrote: >> Jay, John, Jim, >> >> Thanks for your responses re the hum balance pots. I'm curious though, >> what is meant by "not really critical"? Can I sub in a 1 watt fixed >> resistor between 0 and 100 ohms that causes no hum? I'm kind of shaky >> on the idea of hum "balance" anyway. The amp is working, and recapped, >> but I'd just like to make sure a customer who buys the jukebox from me >> doesn't have problems with it. TIA, > > You could substitute two 50-ohm (47 is close enough standard value) > resistors, one end of each grounded and the other to each end of the > heater winding. Gory details follow... > > Tube heaters (filaments) are tungsten wires, insulated and folded inside > a metal tube, the cathode. They are powered by a 6.3 volt AC winding on > the transformer. These heaters are electrically isolated from the > active tube elements, but physically inside of the active cathodes which > they heat. > > In a perfect world there would be no interaction between the active tube > elements and the heaters. However, the capacitance between both ends of > the heaters may be slightly different, and other subtle influences of > wires close to each other may cause some of the AC heater voltage to be > picked up and amplified. > > Both sides of the heater winding are isolated from ground. The hum > balance pot has its wiper grounded, and the ends connected to both sides > of the heater windings. > > The idea is that if one side of the heater wiring is picked up and > amplified more than the other, by adjusting the midpoint ground this can > be minimized. That's what the adjustment pot does. If things are well > isolated, you may not hear any hum due to the heater wiring at any > position of the control. > > By "not critical" I meant that there is little current flowing through > the wiper and any value from 100 to 250 ohms or so will work. There is > 6 volts across the control so going lower in value will cause undue > heating and load on the transformer. > > Heater power is one of those things that amplifier manufacturers refine > on a cost/fidelity curve. > > Cheapest: AC winding to heaters, not connected to anything else. No > attempt to balance or account for heater-induced hum. > > Better: AC winding with center-tap grounded (same as your setup with > the pot exactly in the center, for all practical purposes). > > Even better: AC winding with balance pot for fine adjustment, as in > your amplifier. > > Best: Separate low-voltage rectified DC supply for the heaters. This > is often found in high-end audiophile rigs. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From ccos at knology.net Wed Dec 3 05:53:54 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Wed Dec 3 05:55:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] JAO Amp (R-3390-A) References: <20081201.152746.17324.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jim. Dunno what I'd do on this older stuff without you guys ;)) Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] JAO Amp (R-3390-A) Karl: The hum balance pot is wired across the AC tube filament line in an amplifier circuit with the wiper arm connected to chassis ground. The pot was to be adjusted for minimum hum (noise floor) with the amp on, but no audio input present. In some cases,I've seen tube amp enthusiasts install a rectifier into this circuit to make it quieter. If you want to see an example of the hum balance pot in a schematic, look up an AMI R 2620 amp (used in JAL, JEL, maybe others) It's shown here. Some early 50's Seeburg mono amps (for J, R,V,VL,maybe others) also used hum bal. pots. I had to replace one of these controls recently. Ack Electronics in Atl. GA (www.acksupply.com--PH 404 351 6340) had suitable Ohmite controls (complete with the short screwdriver-adj. shaft) in stock. JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to consolidate your debt in minutes, stop late or over-limit fees, pay less. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9KZbQBdRbJjXEyXXVE47KETkHCjHghc2csN9pDgMLeYxm1o/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Wed Dec 3 06:34:23 2008 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Wed Dec 3 06:35:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] JAO Amp (R-3390-A) Message-ID: <33EBD833184241818A2837DC82B576E4@PAW> Jum I need your Phone # I have someone in Hampton that needs a Juke repaired. Please call or email me . Roy It's the support of the REPUTABLE DEALERS by loyal customers who keep the HOBBY alive. The Jukebox Junkyard p.o. box 338 Lizella, Ga. 31052 USA 678-833-5749 www.jukebox-junkyard.com 9--5 EST Mon--Fri From mkoozy at shaw.ca Tue Dec 2 14:34:46 2008 From: mkoozy at shaw.ca (m kooznetsoff) Date: Wed Dec 3 11:23:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer1100 Parts Message-ID: <000001c954ce$2df2c1d0$89d84570$@ca> Hi Ron; Came across your name when I was surfing the net looking for Wurlitzer parts I'm looking for a Model 3031 or 3020 wall box and stepper unit for my 1100 that I'm currently doing .if you could help me out that would be grate.(780)640-6749 Thanks; From havok69 at verizon.net Wed Dec 3 10:21:35 2008 From: havok69 at verizon.net (Havok) Date: Wed Dec 3 11:24:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Question on Jukebox manuals Message-ID: <1488822782.5912741228328495942.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> So, I am hopefully going to order Tony's manual bundle (digital machine combo offer) soon for my "new" Seeburg STD160. I was wondering if I should also try and track down the Seeburg service manual and\or parts manual as well, or is it the opinion that Tony's bundle is all I will need? And, if anyone possibly has a electronic version of the Seeburg service\parts manuals if they could let me know where I could get a copy? Thanks in advance for any advice! From joe400f at shaw.ca Wed Dec 3 15:05:20 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Wed Dec 3 15:06:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Question on Jukebox manuals In-Reply-To: <1488822782.5912741228328495942.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> References: <1488822782.5912741228328495942.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: Tony Miller is an active member on this list and others. He will probably answer your first question. Manuals on CD are not sold by reputable sellers. Always jukin, Victory glass, A1 jukebox etc do not sell manuals on CD. That being said, beware. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Havok Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:25 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] Question on Jukebox manuals To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > So, I am hopefully going to order Tony's manual bundle (digital > machine > combo offer) soon for my "new" Seeburg STD160. I was wondering > if I > should also try and track down the Seeburg service manual and\or > parts > manual as well, or is it the opinion that Tony's bundle is all I > will > need? > > And, if anyone possibly has a electronic version of the Seeburg > service\parts manuals if they could let me know where I could > get a > copy? > > Thanks in advance for any advice! > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Wed Dec 3 15:15:42 2008 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Wed Dec 3 15:21:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Question on Jukebox manuals References: <1488822782.5912741228328495942.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: > > Manuals on CD are not sold by reputable sellers. Always jukin, Victory > glass, A1 jukebox etc do not > sell manuals on CD. That being said, beware. > > Joey McDonald > > Just out of curiosity, why not? I like having the convenience of having manuals on CD. I can blow up schematics and diagrams to make them easier to read when I am working on something. At work, I deal with radio transmitters and associated equipment. I've either downloaded electronics copies of the manuals from the manufacturers when available, or scanned my manuals when an electronics copy can't be had. Then I keep the CD in my laptop case so I have all of my manuals with me wherever I go. If it's licensed and a good clean scan, I'm all for having manuals available on CD. Jon From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 15:53:23 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Dec 3 15:54:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Question on Jukebox manuals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <471443.90325.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Jon Scaptura wrote: > Just out of curiosity, why not? My understanding is that many of the manuals are still under copyright, and the "reputable sellers" print them under license to the copyright holders. Even those in the public domain are usually cleaned up by the vendors that sell printed copies. The people who sell the CDs, by and large, scan in the manuals sold by the legitimate publishers and get a free ride off those publishers' work. As simply a matter of personal taste, I can't stand reading anything longer than an email message off a monitor. I much prefer a paper copy. Easier on the eyes and more portable. And a printed manual can go for years without turning blue and needing to be rebooted. :-) But, like I said, that's just a matter of personal taste. From Tubanuts at aol.com Wed Dec 3 18:32:42 2008 From: Tubanuts at aol.com (Tubanuts@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 3 18:39:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed on LS2 Gem constant scan Message-ID: A friend that I will be visiting Saturday 12-6-08 needs my help. He has a 1968 Seeburg LS2 Gem. When it is turned on it starts scanning back and forth continuously. I need advice as to what to look for first. It was in his home and was last used about a year ago when it worked fine then. I have no experience with seeburgs and most of my Jukes are early Wurlitzers and one Rowe carrousel. No tormat experience. Just give me a starting point and any suggestions you may have as time is short also. He lives 150 miles away. Don in the Iowa snow. **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From seeburgt at pacbell.net Wed Dec 3 19:27:01 2008 From: seeburgt at pacbell.net (Tony Miller) Date: Wed Dec 3 19:28:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed on LS2 Gem constant scan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081204032802.2FC21AA998@lists.netlojix.com> At 06:32 PM 12/3/2008, you wrote: Don; Check inside the SCC. In there is a 'play control', which consists of a pair of solenoids that control a switch with an escapement. One solenoid energizes when you make a selection to close the switch, to apply power to the mechanism motor. The other energizes each time the carriage reaches one end of the record magazine. Two such energizations will open the switch. Either the switch is not opening, needing cleaning and/or adjustment, or the solenoid is not energizing. The solenoid is energized by a switch on the mechanism carriage, which could be out of adjustment. Or the wire between the switch and the solenoid is open, or the solenoid itself is bad. Cheers, Tony Miller >A friend that I will be visiting Saturday 12-6-08 needs my help. He has a >1968 Seeburg LS2 Gem. When it is turned on it starts scanning back and forth >continuously. I need advice as to what to look for first. It was >in his home >and was last used about a year ago when it worked fine then. >I have no experience with seeburgs and most of my Jukes are early Wurlitzers >and one Rowe carrousel. >No tormat experience. > >Just give me a starting point and any suggestions you may have as time is >short also. >He lives 150 miles away. > >Don in the Iowa snow. > >**************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and >favorite sites in one place. Try it now. >(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From seeburgt at pacbell.net Wed Dec 3 19:20:56 2008 From: seeburgt at pacbell.net (Tony Miller) Date: Wed Dec 3 19:28:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Question on Jukebox manuals In-Reply-To: <1488822782.5912741228328495942.JavaMail.javamailuser@local host> References: <1488822782.5912741228328495942.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <20081204032836.D97B9AAA8A@lists.netlojix.com> At 10:21 AM 12/3/2008, you wrote: Depends on what you want to do. The service manual will give you all the mechanism adjustments, which are not covered in any of the books in the combo. Also, the lube chart for this machine will be in there, although there is a similar one in the Seeburg Mechanism Guide. For cabinet parts, and how to load records, etc., you will need the parts catalog and I & O manual, respectively. Cheers, Tony Miller >So, I am hopefully going to order Tony's manual bundle (digital >machine combo offer) soon for my "new" Seeburg STD160. I was >wondering if I should also try and track down the Seeburg service >manual and\or parts manual as well, or is it the opinion that Tony's >bundle is all I will need? > >And, if anyone possibly has a electronic version of the Seeburg >service\parts manuals if they could let me know where I could get a copy? > >Thanks in advance for any advice! >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 19:38:41 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 3 19:41:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed on LS2 Gem constant scan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <208657.52343.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Don, What you don't say is does it select ? If scanning but selecting, I would suspect that one ?the scan control plungers is "gummy". The plungers are located inside the SCC. Remove the SCC, dis-assemble and clean both plungers, check that the pivot is not dirty, and re-assemble. Do not "spray" ANYTHING into the coil, as there should be rubber stops supporting the plunger stop--no lubrication should be used on the plungers--use caution, and replace the screws with and without washers in exactly the same places, and you should be "good to go" (back into the snow). Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Tubanuts@aol.com wrote: From: Tubanuts@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help needed on LS2 Gem constant scan To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 6:32 PM A friend that I will be visiting Saturday 12-6-08 needs my help. He has a 1968 Seeburg LS2 Gem. When it is turned on it starts scanning back and forth continuously. I need advice as to what to look for first. It was in his home and was last used about a year ago when it worked fine then. I have no experience with seeburgs and most of my Jukes are early Wurlitzers and one Rowe carrousel. No tormat experience. Just give me a starting point and any suggestions you may have as time is short also. He lives 150 miles away. Don in the Iowa snow. **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From havok69 at verizon.net Wed Dec 3 20:45:42 2008 From: havok69 at verizon.net (Havok) Date: Wed Dec 3 20:46:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Question on Jukebox manuals References: 1488822782.5912741228328495942.JavaMail.javamailuser@local host Message-ID: <49376076.9090707@verizon.net> ok, thanks for the information everyone. Looks like I do need to get those manuals as well! ======================================================= At 10:21 AM 12/3/2008, you wrote: Depends on what you want to do. The service manual will give you all the mechanism adjustments, which are not covered in any of the books in the combo. Also, the lube chart for this machine will be in there, although there is a similar one in the Seeburg Mechanism Guide. For cabinet parts, and how to load records, etc., you will need the parts catalog and I & O manual, respectively. Cheers, Tony Miller >/So, I am hopefully going to order Tony's manual bundle (digital />/machine combo offer) soon for my "new" Seeburg STD160. I was />/wondering if I should also try and track down the Seeburg service />/manual and\or parts manual as well, or is it the opinion that Tony's />/bundle is all I will need? />/ />/And, if anyone possibly has a electronic version of the Seeburg />/service\parts manuals if they could let me know where I could get a copy? />/ />/Thanks in advance for any advice! />/_______________________________________________ />/Jukebox-list mailing list />/Jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com />/http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list / From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 4 07:50:55 2008 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Thu Dec 4 07:52:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Holiday 78 Play List - Part 1 Message-ID: <201828.36323.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here?s what?s playing this season in our house this year: In the 1939 Rock-Ola Luxury Light-up: (Only plays one side of each 78 so only listing the ?playing side?) White Christmas ? The Drifters Christmas Night in Harlem ? Paul Whiteman Orch. Stille Nacht ? Comedian Harmonists I?ll Be Home For Christmas ? Bing Crosby Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer ? Gene Autry (Original version) Let It Snow, Let It Snow, Let It Snow ? Connee Boswell Jingle (Bingle) Bells ? Ella Logan Deck the Halls ? Away in a Manger ? I Saw Three Ships ? Bing Crosby All Through the Night ? Paul Robeson Jingle Bells ? Bing Crosby The Christmas Song ? The King Cole Trio (Original Version) God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen ? Bing Crosby Winter Wonderland ? Guy Lombardo Orch. w/ The Andrews Sisters Adeste Fideles ? Bing Crosby Santa Claus is Comin? to Town ? Bing Crosby & The Andrews Sisters White Christmas ? Bing Crosby (2nd version)(Original 1942 version here) Silent Night ? Bing Crosby (2nd version)(Original 1943 version here) Faith of Our Fathers ? Bing Crosby Oh Little Town of Bethlehem ? Perry Como Swingin? Them Jingle Bells ? Fats Waller & His Rhythm I uploaded several of these selections. Not sure if the links will work but if they don't, Cut & Paste these into your browser: http://www.4shared.com/file/74436568/860253a/Bing_Crosby_-_White_Christmas_from_1946_GI_Jill_Christmas_Jukebox_v0.html http://www.4shared.com/file/74436486/70994f84/Bing_Crosby_Silent_Night_1934.html http://www.4shared.com/file/74436497/1e854e53/Christmas_Night_in_Harlem_Paul_Whiteman__1934.html http://www.4shared.com/file/74436518/4721b3fd/Jingle_Bingle_Bells_Ella_Logan_Bill_Hardy_Orch_1937.html http://www.4shared.com/file/74436465/771333b0/Stille_Nacht_Comedian_Harmonists.html http://www.4shared.com/file/74438635/e93f64a8/Swing_Them_Jingle_Bells_Fats_Waller_1936.html http://www.4shared.com/file/74436544/33e00b93/White_Christmas_Bing_Crosby_1942__Original_version_.html ...and download away! All the best Bob ? Chicago From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 4 07:52:10 2008 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Thu Dec 4 07:53:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Holiday 78 Play List - Part 2 Message-ID: <139506.31777.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Part II of what's on the boxes at our house ------------------------------------------- In the 1973 Rowe-AMI TI-1: (Modern 45rpm juke that amazingly plays BOTH sides so listing both A & B sides) A- Joy to the World/The First Noel B- ?Twas the Night Before Christmas ? Hour of Charm All Girl Orchestra A- Carol of the Bells/God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen B- Silent Night ? Hour of Charm All Girl Orchestra A- Hark! The Herald Angels Sing!/Oh Little Town of Bethlehem ? Hour of Charm All Girl Orchestra B- Adeste Fideles ? Hour of Charm All Girl Orchestra A- Santa Claus is Watching You (He?s Everywhere! He?s Everywhere!) ? Ray Stevens B- Loved & Lost A- Christmas Celebration B- Easy Listening ? B.B King A- What Are You Doing New Years Eve B- Lonely Christmas ? Sonny Til & The Orioles A- Peek-A-Boo B- Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer ? The Cadillacs A- Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer ? The Crystals B- I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus ? The Ronettes A- Jingle Bell Rock B- Captain Santa Claus ? Bobby Helm (Original Decca pressing) A- It?s Christmas Time B- Red Sails in the Sunset ? The Five Keys A- C?est Si Bon B- Santa Baby ? Eartha Kitt (The definitive performance, IMHO!) A- Jingle Bell Rock B- Winter Wonderland ? Brenda Lee A- Oh Holy Night B- In The Mission of St. Augustine ? The Orioles A- Please Come Home for Christmas ? Dion B- Wintertime ? The Belmonts A- Blue Christmas B- Santa Claus is Back in Town ? Elvis Presley A- The Christmas Song (modern version) B- The Little Boy That Santa Forgot (the most depressing Christmas song ever recorded, IMHO) ? Nat ?King? Cole A- Rockin? Around the Christmas Tree B- Papa Noel ? Brenda Lee A- White Christmas B- The Bells of St. Mary?s ? The Drifters A- All Things Bright and Beautiful/The Holly & The Ivy B- God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen/Silent Night ? Joe Brown & His Bruvvers with the Breakaways I?d also have Bruce Springsteen?s Santa Claus is Comin? to Town in there but my wife absolutely HATES that record (I don?t think its so bad, personally). Since we?ve been on the topic of esoteric versions of classic holiday tunes, here?s an interesting item. It?s extracted from an Armed Forces radio transcription from 1946, ?G.I. Jill?. This is Bing doing White Christmas but it?s a version you probably never heard. No background voices, just a simple violin and minimal orchestra with Bing singing in a rather understated voice: http://www.4shared.com/file/74436568/860253a/Bing_Crosby_-_White_Christmas_from_1946_GI_Jill_Christmas_Jukebox_v0.html It sounds like a commercial recording of sorts or perhaps a demo that they used for this show. All the best Bob ? Chicago From Tubanuts at aol.com Thu Dec 4 08:13:36 2008 From: Tubanuts at aol.com (Tubanuts@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 4 08:20:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Holiday 78 Play List - Part 2 Message-ID: Wurlitzer 1400 All Gene Autry and Spike Jones, Bing Crosby White Christmas albums, From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 08:52:34 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Dec 4 09:23:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Question on Jukebox manuals In-Reply-To: <49376076.9090707@verizon.net> Message-ID: <497247.33737.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yes--that's why the factory's spent the money to produce them---also why Tony and I spent the time (a WHOLE lot) to write "more in depth" explainations?!? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Havok wrote: From: Havok Subject: [Jukebox-list] Question on Jukebox manuals To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 8:45 PM ok, thanks for the information everyone. Looks like I do need to get those manuals as well! ======================================================= At 10:21 AM 12/3/2008, you wrote: Depends on what you want to do. The service manual will give you all the mechanism adjustments, which are not covered in any of the books in the combo. Also, the lube chart for this machine will be in there, although there is a similar one in the Seeburg Mechanism Guide. For cabinet parts, and how to load records, etc., you will need the parts catalog and I & O manual, respectively. Cheers, Tony Miller > /So, I am hopefully going to order Tony's manual bundle (digital />/machine combo offer) soon for my "new" Seeburg STD160. I was />/wondering if I should also try and track down the Seeburg service />/manual and\or parts manual as well, or is it the opinion that Tony's />/bundle is all I will need? />/ />/And, if anyone possibly has a electronic version of the Seeburg />/service\parts manuals if they could let me know where I could get a copy? />/ />/Thanks in advance for any advice! />/_______________________________________________ />/Jukebox-list mailing list />/Jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com />/http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list / _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From BSAKing at hotmail.com Thu Dec 4 10:11:15 2008 From: BSAKing at hotmail.com (BSA) Date: Thu Dec 4 10:12:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1700HF problem - assist please? Message-ID: I am certain someone can steer me in the right direction. I turned on my Wurly 1700HF today and to my surprise, it does not play....(gasp!) The record spindle is turning with no record on the platter. I moved the tone arm to engage the eject, but that did nothing. I must profess it has been so long since I looked at the innards since I got it going years ago that I do not know where to start now without some very significant research. An assist on a start point to check would be appreciated. Apologies if this ends up as a duplicate post as I had my default mail ID set to a non-member one. Thanks and warmest regards. From drjukebox at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 10:22:06 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Thu Dec 4 10:23:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1700HF problem - assist please? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3154d3690812041022q159d1e4fke8384f8a5ab2759c@mail.gmail.com> Hi Bruce, hope you are good turn on the DC switch on the rear of the junction box (that is the square lower part of the mech) or the record loading switch on the front of the mech. If that doesn't work then you are loosing DC power somewhere along the way. A common culprit are the open switch group near the DC motor on the rear of the mech. Clean & adjust. enjoy your jukebox, Jens On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:11 PM, BSA wrote: > I am certain someone can steer me in the right direction. I turned on my > Wurly 1700HF today and to my surprise, it does not play....(gasp!) > > The record spindle is turning with no record on the platter. I moved the > tone arm to engage the eject, but that did nothing. > > I must profess it has been so long since I looked at the innards since I > got > > it going years ago that I do not know where to start now without some very > significant research. > > An assist on a start point to check would be appreciated. Apologies if this > ends > up as a duplicate post as I had my default mail ID set to a non-member one. > > Thanks and warmest regards. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 10:36:33 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Dec 4 10:44:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1700HF problem - assist please? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <77328.38567.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Are either one of the "record lift arms" up?? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/4/08, BSA wrote: From: BSA Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1700HF problem - assist please? To: "jukes" Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:11 AM I am certain someone can steer me in the right direction. I turned on my Wurly 1700HF today and to my surprise, it does not play....(gasp!) The record spindle is turning with no record on the platter. I moved the tone arm to engage the eject, but that did nothing. I must profess it has been so long since I looked at the innards since I got it going years ago that I do not know where to start now without some very significant research. An assist on a start point to check would be appreciated. Apologies if this ends up as a duplicate post as I had my default mail ID set to a non-member one. Thanks and warmest regards. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From BSAKing at hotmail.com Thu Dec 4 11:11:13 2008 From: BSAKing at hotmail.com (BSA) Date: Thu Dec 4 11:17:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1700HF problem - assist please? References: <77328.38567.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey there Jens - It has been awhile for sure!! Hi Ron - glad to hear from you too.... :^) I do hope everyone is doing well! To answer Ron's question - Neither of the play arms is in the up position. Jens - I see a motor switch on the back under the selector coils, but no switch per se on the back of the mech, if I am looking in the right location. I flicked the long lever on the front of the mech and I got the carousel rotating, so power to that point. A quick update - I still lurk about here and see the emails, but I find being a single parent I find I am pretty occupied doing that. I pretty well had to retire to take care of my (then) young son, but paradoxically I am busier than ever! Events in life dictated that I got rid of many of my other jukes (just a matter of priorities) , but I did hang onto about 7 of my favourites, one being the 1700 in question a Tempo II a Conti II a baskert Wurly 1100 a Seeburg R a Golden Jet and a MSN Festival that I use iun the garage when I am out there. I am hopeful that I will have a chance to get to the others now that my son is getting a little older and more autonomous.... As an aside, my christmas tree is only partially lit too, and the same guy that repaired the Wurly put up the tree........... lol. Bruce -------Original Message------- From: Ron Rich Date: 12/4/2008 1:44:56 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1700HF problem - assist please? Are either one of the "record lift arms" up? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/4/08, BSA wrote: From: BSA Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1700HF problem - assist please? To: "jukes" Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:11 AM I am certain someone can steer me in the right direction. I turned on my Wurly 1700HF today and to my surprise, it does not play....(gasp!) The record spindle is turning with no record on the platter. I moved the tone arm to engage the eject, but that did nothing. I must profess it has been so long since I looked at the innards since I got it going years ago that I do not know where to start now without some very significant research. An assist on a start point to check would be appreciated. Apologies if this ends up as a duplicate post as I had my default mail ID set to a non-member one. Thanks and warmest regards. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From BSAKing at hotmail.com Thu Dec 4 12:07:18 2008 From: BSAKing at hotmail.com (BSA) Date: Thu Dec 4 12:07:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurly 1700 Message-ID: Ok - I cleaned the transfer switch assembly (I think it is) on the rear of the mech. Things are different now. I select a song, carousel rotates, stops at the record selection. I hear a whirring like the lift mech is working, but no record goes up. If I push the transfer switch and hold it on, it will raise record, play, I hear music just fine, and if I hit the cancel, it will eject and shut off as it is supposed to. If I release the switch, it loses power and stops. Some mechanical adjustment out of whack? From drjukebox at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 12:16:43 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Thu Dec 4 12:17:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurly 1700 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3154d3690812041216x779f7396s9ecc9577f390797e@mail.gmail.com> Lotta power going through that switch, so the contact points need to be squeky clean and make good pressure on each other. :o) Jens On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:07 PM, BSA wrote: > Ok - I cleaned the transfer switch assembly (I think it is) on the rear of > the mech. Things are different now. > > I select a song, carousel rotates, stops at the record selection. I hear a > whirring like the lift mech is working, but no record goes up. If I push > the > transfer switch and hold it on, it will raise record, play, I hear music > just fine, and if I hit the cancel, it will eject and shut off as it is > supposed to. If I release the switch, it loses power and stops. > > Some mechanical adjustment out of whack? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From BSAKing at hotmail.com Thu Dec 4 12:29:30 2008 From: BSAKing at hotmail.com (BSA) Date: Thu Dec 4 12:30:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurly 1700 References: <3154d3690812041216x779f7396s9ecc9577f390797e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think the problem is the location of the acuating arm on the cam in there. I notice if power is not applied, I can rotate that cam by hand. When the record is in the play location, right now, that actuating arm is slack - it does not have the cam applying pressure to it. Am I correct in assuming it has to? I think so, since if I hold that arm manually to cause the switches to contact, everything cycles as it should.... To me that means those switch assemblies are ok. But some adjustment is out of whack. Is the position of that actuation arm on the cam incorrect? Or the relationship of that cam to something else... Does that hypothesis make any sense or am I totally out to lunch? -------Original Message------- From: Jens Hultgren Date: 12/4/2008 3:18:02 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] wurly 1700 Lotta power going through that switch, so the contact points need to be squeky clean and make good pressure on each other. :o) Jens On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:07 PM, BSA wrote: > Ok - I cleaned the transfer switch assembly (I think it is) on the rear of > the mech. Things are different now. > > I select a song, carousel rotates, stops at the record selection. I hear a > whirring like the lift mech is working, but no record goes up. If I push > the > transfer switch and hold it on, it will raise record, play, I hear music > just fine, and if I hit the cancel, it will eject and shut off as it is > supposed to. If I release the switch, it loses power and stops. > > Some mechanical adjustment out of whack? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tom at bankersautorebuild.com Wed Dec 3 15:17:38 2008 From: tom at bankersautorebuild.com (Tom Tighe) Date: Thu Dec 4 13:05:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Wallbox 1530 info Message-ID: <037C9028EB6545FAA4F733C2AC5BCE82@BANKERSTOM> HI I am looking for info on a rockola 1530 wallbox I bought one, but need the f glass with good decal logo, and poss. Wiring diagram? Read an article on line to you from another party, same type questions. Any ideas or referrals you can help me on this would be great. The wires going out of box are cut off. Thanks Tom Tom Tighe Bankers Auto Rebuild Corporate Manager 425-255-3448 tom@bankersautorebuild.com From Cill at sympatico.ca Thu Dec 4 09:23:59 2008 From: Cill at sympatico.ca (Bruce in Canada) Date: Thu Dec 4 13:05:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1700HF problem Message-ID: I am certain someone can steer me in the right direction. I turned on my Wurly 1700HF today and to my surprise, it does not play....(gasp) The record spindle is turning with no record on the platter. I moved the tone arm to engage the eject, but that did nothing. I must profess it has been so long since I looked at the innards since I got it going years ago that I do not know where to start now without some very significant research. An assist on a start point to check would be appreciated as I am in the midst of pre-Christmas preparations on the home front. Thanks and warmest regards. From Cill at sympatico.ca Thu Dec 4 10:08:25 2008 From: Cill at sympatico.ca (Bruce in Canada) Date: Thu Dec 4 13:05:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1700HF problem Message-ID: I am certain someone can steer me in the right direction. I turned on my Wurly 1700HF today and to my surprise, it does not play....(gasp!) The record spindle is turning with no record on the platter. I moved the tone arm to engage the eject, but that did nothing. I must profess it has been so long since I looked at the innards since I got it going years ago that I do not know where to start now without some very significant research. An assist on a start point to check would be appreciated. Thanks and warmest regards. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 16:13:11 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Dec 4 16:14:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Wallbox 1530 info In-Reply-To: <037C9028EB6545FAA4F733C2AC5BCE82@BANKERSTOM> Message-ID: <274766.48742.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tom, Sorry--If you read a line on the same type question--as I don't re-call it, and I do not work on that equipmen-- Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Tom Tighe wrote: From: Tom Tighe Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Wallbox 1530 info To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 3:17 PM HI I am looking for info on a rockola 1530 wallbox I bought one, but need the f glass with good decal logo, and poss. Wiring diagram? Read an article on line to you from another party, same type questions. Any ideas or referrals you can help me on this would be great. The wires going out of box are cut off. Thanks Tom Tom Tighe Bankers Auto Rebuild Corporate Manager 425-255-3448 tom@bankersautorebuild.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 16:18:52 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Dec 4 16:19:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1700HF problem - assist please? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <310083.4410.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bruce, The"long lever" is the "loading switch lever".--Did you check the 2 amp fuses? Is the rectifier? good (nom. 30 vdc)? Ron --- On Thu, 12/4/08, BSA wrote: From: BSA Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1700HF problem - assist please? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 11:11 AM Hey there Jens - It has been awhile for sure!! Hi Ron - glad to hear from you too.... :^) I do hope everyone is doing well! To answer Ron's question - Neither of the play arms is in the up position. Jens - I see a motor switch on the back under the selector coils, but no switch per se on the back of the mech, if I am looking in the right location. I flicked the long lever on the front of the mech and I got the carousel rotating, so power to that point. A quick update - I still lurk about here and see the emails, but I find being a single parent I find I am pretty occupied doing that. I pretty well had to retire to take care of my (then) young son, but paradoxically I am busier than ever! Events in life dictated that I got rid of many of my other jukes (just a matter of priorities) , but I did hang onto about 7 of my favourites, one being the 1700 in question a Tempo II a Conti II a baskert Wurly 1100 a Seeburg R a Golden Jet and a MSN Festival that I use iun the garage when I am out there. I am hopeful that I will have a chance to get to the others now that my son is getting a little older and more autonomous.... As an aside, my christmas tree is only partially lit too, and the same guy that repaired the Wurly put up the tree........... lol. Bruce -------Original Message------- From: Ron Rich Date: 12/4/2008 1:44:56 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1700HF problem - assist please? Are either one of the "record lift arms" up? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/4/08, BSA wrote: From: BSA Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly 1700HF problem - assist please? To: "jukes" Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:11 AM I am certain someone can steer me in the right direction. I turned on my Wurly 1700HF today and to my surprise, it does not play....(gasp!) The record spindle is turning with no record on the platter. I moved the tone arm to engage the eject, but that did nothing. I must profess it has been so long since I looked at the innards since I got it going years ago that I do not know where to start now without some very significant research. An assist on a start point to check would be appreciated. Apologies if this ends up as a duplicate post as I had my default mail ID set to a non-member one. Thanks and warmest regards. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 16:25:21 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Dec 4 16:26:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurly 1700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <230100.16809.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bruce, Is the "operating arm" that works that switch frozen, by chance--it should have a spring pulling it to the "main cam". I have seen them "freeze" and not be able to move that arm--Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/4/08, BSA wrote: From: BSA Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurly 1700 To: "jukes" Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 12:07 PM Ok - I cleaned the transfer switch assembly (I think it is) on the rear of the mech. Things are different now. I select a song, carousel rotates, stops at the record selection. I hear a whirring like the lift mech is working, but no record goes up. If I push the transfer switch and hold it on, it will raise record, play, I hear music just fine, and if I hit the cancel, it will eject and shut off as it is supposed to. If I release the switch, it loses power and stops. Some mechanical adjustment out of whack? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 16:28:07 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Dec 4 16:30:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurly 1700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <823718.3168.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bruce--sounds moe and more like it's frozen, or the spring is broken--Small roller should be biased by the spring, toward the main cam--Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/4/08, BSA wrote: From: BSA Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] wurly 1700 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 12:29 PM I think the problem is the location of the acuating arm on the cam in there. I notice if power is not applied, I can rotate that cam by hand. When the record is in the play location, right now, that actuating arm is slack - it does not have the cam applying pressure to it. Am I correct in assuming it has to? I think so, since if I hold that arm manually to cause the switches to contact, everything cycles as it should.... To me that means those switch assemblies are ok. But some adjustment is out of whack. Is the position of that actuation arm on the cam incorrect? Or the relationship of that cam to something else... Does that hypothesis make any sense or am I totally out to lunch? -------Original Message------- From: Jens Hultgren Date: 12/4/2008 3:18:02 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] wurly 1700 Lotta power going through that switch, so the contact points need to be squeky clean and make good pressure on each other. :o) Jens On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:07 PM, BSA wrote: > Ok - I cleaned the transfer switch assembly (I think it is) on the rear of > the mech. Things are different now. > > I select a song, carousel rotates, stops at the record selection. I hear a > whirring like the lift mech is working, but no record goes up. If I push > the > transfer switch and hold it on, it will raise record, play, I hear music > just fine, and if I hit the cancel, it will eject and shut off as it is > supposed to. If I release the switch, it loses power and stops. > > Some mechanical adjustment out of whack? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gibson510 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 4 18:28:59 2008 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Thu Dec 4 18:30:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 222 part needed Message-ID: Anyone have a pricing unit that you would part with? Thanks! Rick p.s. Also looking for a bear claw tonearm for a Model 61 Wurly. _________________________________________________________________ Suspicious message? There?s an alert for that. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad2_122008 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 19:03:33 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Dec 4 19:04:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 222 part needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <64864.98878.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, What pricing unit do you need?? A 222 can use different ones--whats the compleat model number ot the 222? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/4/08, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] 222 part needed To: "jukebox list" Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 6:28 PM Anyone have a pricing unit that you would part with? Thanks! Rick p.s. Also looking for a bear claw tonearm for a Model 61 Wurly. _________________________________________________________________ Suspicious message? There?s an alert for that. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad2_122008_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 5 11:54:48 2008 From: chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net (chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri Dec 5 12:02:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanting to fix up a Rockola 442 Message-ID: <408847.88933.qm@web81603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a Rockola 442 from 1970.? It has been in my family since the early 80's.? I just recently moved it into my basement. I think it is in need of some?care and I am guessing that there are basic things that I should replace... the stylus and?the cartridge come to mind. But what are some general things to look at?? Basic stuff to check/replace.? I am guessing the last time it ever had any maintenance on it was probably 1983. Also, where are good places to order the replacement parts?? I am in Carpentersville, IL, USA. Thanks, Chad From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Dec 5 13:38:37 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Dec 5 13:39:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanting to fix up a Rockola 442 In-Reply-To: <408847.88933.qm@web81603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <903521.85139.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> No reason to replace the cartridge, unless it is not working--needles can be purchased at??? Needles4jukeboxes.com. All motors should be oiled, as well as the Turntable assembly, and Gripper assembly,?with SAE 20wt ND (electric motor) oil--Ron Rich --- On Fri, 12/5/08, chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanting to fix up a Rockola 442 To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 11:54 AM I have a Rockola 442 from 1970.? It has been in my family since the early 80's.? I just recently moved it into my basement. I think it is in need of some?care and I am guessing that there are basic things that I should replace... the stylus and?the cartridge come to mind.. But what are some general things to look at?? Basic stuff to check/replace.? I am guessing the last time it ever had any maintenance on it was probably 1983. Also, where are good places to order the replacement parts?? I am in Carpentersville, IL, USA. Thanks, Chad _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Dec 5 15:59:33 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Dec 5 16:00:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanting to fix up a Rockola 442 In-Reply-To: <408847.88933.qm@web81603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <345943.47704.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I would say (generally speaking) that it likely needs to be lubricated, the needle might need to be replaced but I would not change the cartridge unless it is giving you trouble. I have not seen many of those cartridges bad. If I am not mistaken it uses a Shure Cartridge of some type and I know the needle / stylus are available. Check your volume control and tone controls if they sound scratchy then they should be cleaned. You can get a product called De-Oxit made by a company called Caig it's excellent for cleaning controls. Lasty I would check all the lamps etc. Other then that if its working fine I would leave it alone. This is just typical maintenance I do on a juke that needs to be freshened up and works fine. ? Hope this helps, Tony (from Canada) ? chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanting to fix up a Rockola 442 To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Friday, December 5, 2008, 2:54 PM I have a Rockola 442 from 1970.? It has been in my family since the early 80's.? I just recently moved it into my basement. I think it is in need of some?care and I am guessing that there are basic things that I should replace... the stylus and?the cartridge come to mind. But what are some general things to look at?? Basic stuff to check/replace.? I am guessing the last time it ever had any maintenance on it was probably 1983. Also, where are good places to order the replacement parts?? I am in Carpentersville, IL, USA. Thanks, Chad _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From caswellcivil2 at bigpond.com Fri Dec 5 15:42:54 2008 From: caswellcivil2 at bigpond.com (CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE) Date: Fri Dec 5 18:28:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe mm1 Message-ID: I have a rowe mm1that is playing correctly,except when returning the record it will not fully return the record the tone arm stops fractionally early in turn not putting the record away, but when the record cancel button is pushed it completes cycle correctly. Any ideas before I put my sticky fingers in? Thanks Jason From gibson510 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 5 18:53:11 2008 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Fri Dec 5 18:54:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 222 part needed Message-ID: Rick, What pricing unit do you need? A 222 can use different ones--whats the compleat model number ot the 222? Ron Rich Hi Ron, the 222 that i have is a model DHR, and it has a TSU1. The guy that i acquired it from says "he wasn't sure but he thought it wasn't the original selection receiver. Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Dec 5 19:41:41 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Dec 5 19:43:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 222 part needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <639709.69899.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Rick, The "D" indicates that is should have a DPU-1 pricing unit--the instruction glass should say "Deposit--up to a dollar " I anna gots none--check the usual suspects--Ron Rich --- On Fri, 12/5/08, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] 222 part needed To: "jukebox list" Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 6:53 PM Rick, What pricing unit do you need? A 222 can use different ones--whats the compleat model number ot the 222? Ron Rich Hi Ron, the 222 that i have is a model DHR, and it has a TSU1. The guy that i acquired it from says "he wasn't sure but he thought it wasn't the original selection receiver. Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From lavin at cheqnet.net Sat Dec 6 08:07:42 2008 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Sat Dec 6 08:08:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge Message-ID: HI, I am back working on the 3600 this weekend, and have a question on tthe cartridge used in it. I have the Astatic 133-d black cart. Is this the best one out there for sound, or was there an update or different cart used in the 3600. I seem to remember a discussion way back about upgrading or another model cart used , but then again I might be dreaming too. Thanks-Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Sat Dec 6 11:15:54 2008 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Sat Dec 6 11:17:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer page motors Message-ID: Anyone know an easy way to line up the cam and the 3 page drive gears when putting these units back together? I can't see any reference marks - should there be any? Thanks, Adrian. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Dec 6 12:00:14 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Dec 6 12:02:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge Message-ID: <20081206.150014.29960.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Hello: The Astatic 133 stereo ceramic-element cartridge is regarded as one of the better sounding cartridges in this product class. It's not being manufactured any longer but some Astatic "New Old Stock" remains for sale by some distributor/sellers. Replacement stylii for the 133 cartridge are plentiful. A current model ceramic cartridge that is a popular replacement is the Pfanstiehl P-132D. In the case of your W3600 changer this would be a direct changeout. Audio performance seems comparable to the 133. What some Wurlitzer owners have been doing in order to upgrade phono cartridge performance in the W3400 thru 3800 record changers has been to modify the installation for a magnetic cartridge. This will require installation of a self-powered outboard stereo preamplifier, to match the lower output of the mag. cartridge to the ceramic phono input of the W3600 amplifier. Phono preamps are available from several mfrs/sources at prices ranging from $20 to $120. Some care needs to be taken in placing the preamp (stay away from power transformers, lamp ballasts,etc) and in phono grounding to avoid hum/noise problems. The mag phono pre. contains the input loading and EQ needed for the mag cartridge. This circuit combined with the built-in Wurlitzer EQ for the ceramic cartridge will boost the bass performance of your sound system somewhat. Good magnetic phono cartridge candidates, readily available are 1. Stanton 500AL (also marketed as Pickering NP/AC.) I believe this recently became the "new " Stanton 400V3 model. 2. The Shure models M-75 (used in Wurl. OMT models)is a good choice. 3. Shure M44-7 (or M-44C) will operate electrically, but there will be some mounting/fitment challenges. Any of the above are relatively economical choices. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Love Graphic Design? Find a school near you. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdIbsgmNr0t8wvybvVkXfOhwrtKKhWkR41Ezp7iAQOnGWj8/ From chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 6 12:47:51 2008 From: chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net (chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat Dec 6 12:48:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanting to fix up a Rockola 442 Message-ID: <487217.70528.qm@web81603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, thanks for the tips... would this motor oil work? ? http://www.3inone.com/products/motor-oil/ ? ? ? ________________________________ From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 3:38:37 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wanting to fix up a Rockola 442 No reason to replace the cartridge, unless it is not working--needles can be purchased at??? Needles4jukeboxes.com. All motors should be oiled, as well as the Turntable assembly, and Gripper assembly,?with SAE 20wt ND (electric motor) oil--Ron Rich --- On Fri, 12/5/08, chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wanting to fix up a Rockola 442 To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 11:54 AM I have a Rockola 442 from 1970.? It has been in my family since the early 80's.? I just recently moved it into my basement. I think it is in need of some?care and I am guessing that there are basic things that I should replace... the stylus and?the cartridge come to mind.. But what are some general things to look at?? Basic stuff to check/replace.? I am guessing the last time it ever had any maintenance on it was probably 1983. Also, where are good places to order the replacement parts?? I am in Carpentersville, IL, USA. Thanks, Chad _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 6 14:26:37 2008 From: chadhendrickson at sbcglobal.net (chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat Dec 6 14:27:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola gripper arm adjustment help needed Message-ID: <42962.1203.qm@web81606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On my Rockola 442... ? When the gripper arm goes to grab a record, it is first lifting up up a little bit and then squeezing the record.? This causes the record to be misaligned in the gripper arm.? I have to stop the mechanism and manually adjust the record so the gripper arm holds the record correctly. ? Then... when the record is done playing, again, the gripper arm first lifts up a little bit and then squeezes.? The problem is that it is not grabbing the record because it lifted too high. ? Is there a way to adjust it so the gripper arm does not lift up slightly before squeezing? ? Thanks, Chad From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Dec 6 15:46:01 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Dec 6 15:47:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola gripper arm adjustment help needed In-Reply-To: <42962.1203.qm@web81606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <577246.87979.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Chad, NO adjustment is needed nor should it be attempted--the gripper is merely telling you that it is one quart low on oil, or has been oiled with the wrong oil at some point--soak it (all the cracks, and down inside the center itself--especially between the two gears on the RH side) with SAE 20 Wt ND oil--Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/6/08, chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola gripper arm adjustment help needed To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 2:26 PM On my Rockola 442... ? When the gripper arm goes to grab a record, it is first lifting up up a little bit and then squeezing the record.? This causes the record to be misaligned in the gripper arm.? I have to stop the mechanism and manually adjust the record so the gripper arm holds the record correctly. ? Then... when the record is done playing, again, the gripper arm first lifts up a little bit and then squeezes.? The problem is that it is not grabbing the record because it lifted too high. ? Is there a way to adjust it so the gripper arm does not lift up slightly before squeezing? ? Thanks, Chad _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From boboranntrottier at verizon.net Sat Dec 6 22:01:59 2008 From: boboranntrottier at verizon.net (Boboranntrottier) Date: Sat Dec 6 22:02:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R80 switch question Message-ID: <000201c95831$5157cc40$8119fea9@boboranno05oqq> I am fixing a Rowe R80 that has open contacts on the pushbutton switch assy that makes the selections. The problem is that some of the contacts appeared to have heated up and the set of contacts that pass the the voltage from one letter to the next have all become soft and brittle and opened . These contacts provide a signal as to which letter was selected and where this open happened with the letter R anything below that will not work now here is the question In looking at the schematic its not clear why they would open the connection to lower letters when a switch was selected . (so if letter V is selected anything below that is disabled) The only thing I can guess at are they wanted the higher letter to control should you push two switches at once or ( and I believe this is the reason) that it was less expensive to string these along in the switch than to have somebody wire all the connections together The reason I'm asking is I'm inclined to simply wire all these contacts ( so pushing a letter don't remove power to lower ones) together and save the trouble of locating a new switch assy I don't have a scanner today but could send a schematic Monday if anyone is interested thanks in advance Bob From crobertson19405 at comcast.net Sun Dec 7 05:13:23 2008 From: crobertson19405 at comcast.net (Craig and Cerena) Date: Sun Dec 7 05:17:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] HF100R parts needed Message-ID: I still need a selector switch for a HF100R. Does anyone have any leads were I can find one. Also in need of a Transformer for a WSR5. Thanks for any help. Craig From lavin at cheqnet.net Sun Dec 7 05:20:56 2008 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Sun Dec 7 05:22:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge References: <20081206.150014.29960.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <1B2C2AF976E543AF93D885CB7E697260@dennis38rxl3bv> HI Jim, Thanks for all the info ! I will probably leave the Astitic in there for now, and just replace the needle. I had bought a replacment needle this summer but it just didnt fit right,it was supposed to be for the cart in the 3600 but the flip arm seemed to rub the side of the tone arm and wouldnt let the stylus seat fully into the cart and sounded auful. So I will try another vendor next. I had had a lot of trouble with the sound of this juke, I had rebuilt the amp, replaced the 2 uper speakers and crossover caps so I just wanted to make sure that it has the best cart in it while I am tossing $$ at it. Thanks again, Dennis. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge > > Hello: > The Astatic 133 stereo ceramic-element cartridge is regarded as one of the > better sounding cartridges in this product class. It's not being > manufactured any longer but some Astatic "New Old Stock" remains for sale > by some distributor/sellers. Replacement stylii for the 133 cartridge > are plentiful. > A current model ceramic cartridge that is a popular replacement is the > Pfanstiehl P-132D. In the case of your W3600 changer this would be a > direct changeout. Audio performance seems comparable to the 133. > What some Wurlitzer owners have been doing in order to upgrade phono > cartridge performance in the W3400 thru 3800 record changers has been to > modify the installation for a magnetic cartridge. This will require > installation of a self-powered outboard stereo preamplifier, to match the > lower output of the mag. cartridge to the ceramic phono input of the W3600 > amplifier. Phono preamps are available from several mfrs/sources at prices > ranging from $20 to $120. Some care needs to be taken in placing the > preamp (stay away from power transformers, lamp ballasts,etc) and in phono > grounding to avoid hum/noise problems. > The mag phono pre. contains the input loading and EQ needed for the mag > cartridge. This circuit combined with the built-in Wurlitzer EQ for the > ceramic cartridge will boost the bass performance of your sound system > somewhat. > Good magnetic phono cartridge candidates, readily available are 1. > Stanton 500AL (also marketed as Pickering NP/AC.) I believe this > recently became the "new " Stanton 400V3 model. 2. The Shure models > M-75 (used in Wurl. OMT models)is a good choice. 3. > Shure M44-7 (or M-44C) will operate electrically, but there will be some > mounting/fitment challenges. Any of the above are relatively economical > choices. > Hope this helps, > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Love Graphic Design? Find a school near you. Click Now. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdIbsgmNr0t8wvybvVkXfOhwrtKKhWkR41Ezp7iAQOnGWj8/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 08:18:47 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 7 08:19:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R80 switch question In-Reply-To: <000201c95831$5157cc40$8119fea9@boboranno05oqq> Message-ID: <550733.50197.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob, ? ? ? ? Bob, Your guess is correct--it's an "anti-cheat feature"--remember, jukes are designed to MAKE money, not "play for free"! Yes, most of the time, adding a jumper will be fine for home use--Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Boboranntrottier wrote: From: Boboranntrottier Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe R80 switch question To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 10:01 PM I am fixing a Rowe R80 that has open contacts on the pushbutton switch assy that makes the selections. The problem is that some of the contacts appeared to have heated up and the set of contacts that pass the the voltage from one letter to the next have all become soft and brittle and opened . These contacts provide a signal as to which letter was selected and where this open happened with the letter R anything below that will not work now here is the question In looking at the schematic its not clear why they would open the connection to lower letters when a switch was selected . (so if letter V is selected anything below that is disabled) The only thing I can guess at are they wanted the higher letter to control should you push two switches at once or ( and I believe this is the reason) that it was less expensive to string these along in the switch than to have somebody wire all the connections together The reason I'm asking is I'm inclined to simply wire all these contacts ( so pushing a letter don't remove power to lower ones) together and save the trouble of locating a new switch assy I don't have a scanner today but could send a schematic Monday if anyone is interested thanks in advance Bob _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sun Dec 7 08:35:48 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Dec 7 08:36:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge In-Reply-To: <1B2C2AF976E543AF93D885CB7E697260@dennis38rxl3bv> References: <20081206.150014.29960.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> <1B2C2AF976E543AF93D885CB7E697260@dennis38rxl3bv> Message-ID: <493BFB64.6090800@west.net> Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: > I will probably leave the Astitic in there for now, and just replace the > needle. I had bought a replacment needle this summer but it just didnt > fit right,it was supposed to be for the cart in the 3600 but the flip > arm seemed to rub the side of the tone arm and wouldnt let the stylus > seat fully into the cart and sounded auful. So I will try another > vendor next. The factory cartridge was a Sonotone, sounds great but the connection plug is weird. Not the normal push-on pins but a round plastic gizmo that slides into the back of the cartridge. It's a real pain where pills don't reach to work on. The Astatic should be fine. When ordering a replacement stylus, specify the model number of the cartridge and not the jukebox. The cross-reference for a "Wurlitzer 3600" will get you a stylus for the original Sonotone which isn't likely to fit the Astatic well, if at all. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 10:13:36 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 7 10:14:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly ??? Message-ID: <122590.2647.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Does anyone happen to know why some of the Wurly 45rpm, turntable, belt?drive pulleys (IE: 2300 model) are marked "use inner outer grove" ?? I think that I have seen some that are cast into the pulley, however the one I'm looking at is rubber-stamped --BTW, only one belt is used on these models---?TIA,? ?Ron Rich From medina115 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 7 10:23:26 2008 From: medina115 at hotmail.com (Mike Medina) Date: Sun Dec 7 10:24:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Mech Cover Paint Removal Update Message-ID: Thanks, everyone, for the pant removal tips. I ended up using a citrus gel paint remover that I had (apparently, any methyl-type remover will not harm bakelite, whereas chemicals with an alkaline composition may deteriorate it) , and once it started peeling off the horrendous sponge-painted top coat, I removed it with a rag while running the cover under warm water. It got down to the base plastic in minutes. So the parts are cleaned and ready for paint! Thanks again for your help! _________________________________________________________________ Suspicious message? There?s an alert for that. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad2_122008 From medina115 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 7 10:35:50 2008 From: medina115 at hotmail.com (Mike Medina) Date: Sun Dec 7 10:36:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Animation Tray Question Part 2 Message-ID: First of all, a big thank you to everyone for all your help and photos. Just one more follow-up question...is there another piece of glass that's located below the animation tray? Is that what mounts into the L-shaped brackets just above the speaker grille? Thanks again! _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Sun Dec 7 11:06:58 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Sun Dec 7 11:08:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly ??? In-Reply-To: <122590.2647.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <122590.2647.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c9589e$fab80210$f0280630$@force9.co.uk> Hi Ron, I think, but aren?t 100% sure, that there were 2 different types/makes of motor used, and the inner/outer groove depended on what motor was installed. I guess the rubber stamping should have had one of the inner/outer options crossed out. I know it's not the 50/60hz thing, like the later (Nigara style German wurlitzers) - as on all the upright play mechs we have to change the pulley to a 50hz version. Hope that starts the debate going, Nige -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 07 December 2008 18:14 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly ??? Hi All, Does anyone happen to know why some of the Wurly 45rpm, turntable, belt?drive pulleys (IE: 2300 model) are marked "use inner outer grove" ?? I think that I have seen some that are cast into the pulley, however the one I'm looking at is rubber-stamped --BTW, only one belt is used on these models---?TIA,? ?Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 11:44:12 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Dec 7 11:45:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Animation Tray Question Part 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <453188.48318.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 12/7/08, Mike Medina wrote: > Just one more follow-up question...is there > another piece of glass that's located below the > animation tray? Is that what mounts into the L-shaped > brackets just above the speaker grille? Thanks again! Hi again, Mike - Take another look at this picture from my last message: > This is looking up and to the right to the glass under > the filter tray. > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/m100a-glass-under-tray.jpg The brackets support the pirce of glass. It has an opaque band about 2" wide painted across the front. The brackets provide a gap in the back of the glass for air to rise through the perforated panel in front of the mechanism and exit out the perforated panel in back of the cabinet. Both the gap and the band are visible in the picture. From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Dec 7 13:14:02 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Dec 7 13:17:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge Message-ID: <20081207.161402.14162.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Hello Jay: I think you are mistaken on the phono cartridge issue here. I worked as a tech for a midwest vending company in the mid 60's that had a big jukebox route. Most of their equipment was Wurlitzer, with a few Seeburgs. The local Wurl. distributor and the N.Y. plant kept the company plugged into any service bulletins, training seminars, etc as they were a big client. Wurlitzer used the Sonotone 9T as their phono cartridge into the late 60's. This is the one that had the 4 pin plug in connector. As I recall, the Sonotone Corp had business difficulties and closed their doors around this time. The last juke model that came equipped with the 9T was the 3100 (first Americana model) The following carousel models came equipped with either a Sonotone or an Astatic equivalent model. By the time Wurl. made the transition to the "new" record changer (3400) only Astatic OEM cartridges were being supplied. To verify this, I checked my service library. The 3100 manual shows the 9T cartridge as original equipment. The 3700 and 1050 manual lists an Astatic cartridge (no astatic model #)as original equipment. I don't have any of the in-between model books to check this. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Domain Registration - Click Here http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9Smz9m6XKeEsOWJcO8sdYQLXWvQdqCmqDOiuWxLUFmJMKPU/ From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Dec 7 13:33:36 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Dec 7 13:35:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurly ??? Message-ID: <20081207.163336.14162.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: There actually is an answer to this obscure question. In the early 60's Wurlitzer built some of their 45RPM-only jukes with a twin-groove turntable motor pulley. Only a single drive belt was to be used,connecting the turntable flywheel to the pulley. Placing the drive belt on the inner pulley groove (the one closest to the pulley bearing) would result in less audible turntable "rumble" heard in the audio. This problem was more pronounced on the "new" stereo models. In the early 60's, Wurl. offered 33/45 RPM intermix as an option,later becoming standard issue. Their intermix phono motor used solenoid switched dual pulleys and belts to make this work. They used up their stock of imprinted flywheels for all models. This advice also holds true for the later 3400-3800 changers that were equipped with dual drive belts.Remove one belt---you'll hear less TT rumble, especially in stereo mode. I was given this advice by a Wurlitzer factory service tech. I worked for a vending company in the 60's when these models were in commercial use. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click to get a free auto insurance quotes from top companies. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9Kli5KR5PFTt9GO3ShhREvCD5tbxy9mA9wpaa91ZNnvgwYu/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 14:47:31 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 7 14:48:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Animation Tray Question Part 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <413328.16278.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yep---Clear---Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/7/08, Mike Medina wrote: From: Mike Medina Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Animation Tray Question Part 2 To: "Jukebox List" Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 10:35 AM First of all, a big thank you to everyone for all your help and photos. Just one more follow-up question...is there another piece of glass that's located below the animation tray? Is that what mounts into the L-shaped brackets just above the speaker grille? Thanks again! _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sun Dec 7 17:02:15 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Dec 7 17:03:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge In-Reply-To: <20081207.161402.14162.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081207.161402.14162.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <493C7217.9030400@west.net> James Alexander wrote: > > Hello Jay: > I think you are mistaken on the phono cartridge issue here. I worked as a tech for a midwest vending company in the mid 60's that had a big jukebox route. Most of their equipment was Wurlitzer, with a few Seeburgs. The local Wurl. distributor and the N.Y. plant kept the company plugged into any service bulletins, training seminars, etc as they were a big client. > Wurlitzer used the Sonotone 9T as their phono cartridge into the late 60's. This is the one that had the 4 pin plug in connector. As I recall, the Sonotone Corp had business difficulties and closed their doors around this time. The last juke model that came equipped with the 9T was the 3100 (first Americana model) The following carousel models came equipped with either a Sonotone or an Astatic equivalent model. By the time Wurl. made the transition to the "new" record changer (3400) only Astatic OEM cartridges were being supplied. > To verify this, I checked my service library. The 3100 manual shows the 9T cartridge as original equipment. The 3700 and 1050 manual lists an Astatic cartridge (no astatic model #)as original equipment. I don't have any of the in-between model books to check this. You are almost certainly correct. My knowledge of Wurlitzers past the 3100 model is minimal. I know I hate dealing with those Sonotone plugs. The little clips come out and the wires break, no ready documentation as to which clip connects to which channel + or -, generally fragile. Usually have to take the whole tonearm out of the machine to repair and then tweak the set-down and trip setting, etc. In any case, if the original poster knows the cartridge make/model I think it would be best to reference this when purchasing a replacement stylus instead of the phonograph make/model. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Dec 7 17:34:24 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Dec 7 17:36:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge Message-ID: <20081207.203424.10225.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Jay: When it comes to repairing/restoring 60's vintage Wurlitzers, the only technique I'm aware of in dealing with the Sonotone 9T connectors is to try and locate NOS Sonotone cartridges. You do see them being offered sometimes. Otherwise a conversion to conventional solder lugs is needed. (not a fun job) FYI: Sonotone produced a cartridge model 18T (in the 60's) that used the 4 pin connector like the 9T model. The 18T was a more expensive stereo ceramic cart. with better specs that never used by any of the juke manufacturers as OEM equipment. The 18T was bought by home stereo console manufacturers (i.e. GE, Zenith, Magnavox, etc) and used in their top-of-the-line products. The 18T would probably be decent substitute for the 9T if you found them for sale. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdIcVcAE4Ui0OK8XsCpR4YRTnUURQ6zHAy35fPkRCGN7N2O/ From 19k20 at comcast.net Sun Dec 7 19:19:46 2008 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Sun Dec 7 19:20:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge In-Reply-To: <20081207.203424.10225.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081207.203424.10225.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <000601c958e3$d3124460$7936cd20$@net> I have purchased 2 new Sonotone 9T carts for my 2910 and 3010 in the past couple months from Bill Bickers. Each set me back about $30 plus shipping, but were OEM and replaced the old carts very easily. You can find him online at http://www.jukeboxfridaynight.com or the other usual parts guys. All will provide quality parts. Rich -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:34 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge Jay: When it comes to repairing/restoring 60's vintage Wurlitzers, the only technique I'm aware of in dealing with the Sonotone 9T connectors is to try and locate NOS Sonotone cartridges. You do see them being offered sometimes. Otherwise a conversion to conventional solder lugs is needed. (not a fun job) FYI: Sonotone produced a cartridge model 18T (in the 60's) that used the 4 pin connector like the 9T model. The 18T was a more expensive stereo ceramic cart. with better specs that never used by any of the juke manufacturers as OEM equipment. The 18T was bought by home stereo console manufacturers (i.e. GE, Zenith, Magnavox, etc) and used in their top-of-the-line products. The 18T would probably be decent substitute for the 9T if you found them for sale. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdIcVcAE4Ui0OK8XsCpR4YR TnUURQ6zHAy35fPkRCGN7N2O/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dave.halford at telent.com Mon Dec 8 01:10:49 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Mon Dec 8 01:11:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola gripper arm adjustment help needed Message-ID: <20081208091045.54076AFD60@blade209.la.inty.net> Chad You should have a Shure 44 type cart in there Sometimes oil will not penetrate the gripper fully without careful application of heat to the gripper barrel, particularly when grease rather than oil has been used some years before. People have used a hairdryer with some success as long as the records have been removed ;O). There are 2 small tubes beneath the turntable for lubing the turntable motor. If you have the electrical manual DONOT be tempted mess with the record pickup adjustment, (my words not the manual, sorry Ron) this only moves the basket in relation to the gripper so that the records do not rub on the white plastic moldings on their way into and out of the basket . If after fixing the lube problem you find the records do rub then follow the directions in the manual, just dont forget it's an electrical adjustment and nothing will happen till you run the mech - no more than 1/8th of a turn of the screw should be required. regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From pinball at telus.net Mon Dec 8 09:08:54 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Dec 8 09:10:09 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola gripper arm adjustment help needed In-Reply-To: <42962.1203.qm@web81606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <42962.1203.qm@web81606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <493D54A6.5090508@telus.net> chadhendrickson@sbcglobal.net wrote: > On my Rockola 442... > > When the gripper arm goes to grab a record, it is first lifting up up a little bit and then squeezing the record. This causes the record to be misaligned in the gripper arm. I have to stop the mechanism and manually adjust the record so the gripper arm holds the record correctly. > > Then... when the record is done playing, again, the gripper arm first lifts up a little bit and then squeezes. The problem is that it is not grabbing the record because it lifted too high. > > Is there a way to adjust it so the gripper arm does not lift up slightly before squeezing? > > Thanks, > Chad Have you taken the gripper assembly apart and cleaned it? If the oils have seized up somewhat your problem would be one result... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ianzap at hotmail.com Mon Dec 8 12:18:31 2008 From: ianzap at hotmail.com (Ian Zapczynski) Date: Mon Dec 8 12:24:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Jukebox-list Digest, Vol 65, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <20081206200002.6DD88AAEA4@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20081206200002.6DD88AAEA4@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Hello Jason. It's good to hear from someone else with a 1960s Rowe juke, especially an MM1. I have one myself and love it even with its faults. Let me make sure I understand your issue properly. Do you mean to say that that the tone arm gets to the end of the record ok? If you manually move the tone arm in towards the center, the record will reject properly? If so, that is a pretty simple adjustment that is covered in the manual. Do you have one? Even if you're a first timer on these machines (I haven't been reading this list thoroughly so I'm not sure if that's the case), this should be perhaps the easiest problem to resolve, so don't be too afraid to make the necessary adjustments. I'm glad to hear your MM1 seems to be playing correctly otherwise - getting mine to do so has been no small feat! From what I understand, problems with this unit's selection system were common so if you've got one that's working great, you're one of the lucky ones. -Ian > I have a rowe mm1that is playing correctly,except when returning the record it will not fully return the record the tone arm stops fractionally early in turn not putting the record away, but when the record cancel button is pushed it completes cycle correctly. Any ideas before I put my sticky fingers in? Thanks Jason _________________________________________________________________ Suspicious message? There?s an alert for that. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad2_122008 From ianzap at hotmail.com Mon Dec 8 12:18:44 2008 From: ianzap at hotmail.com (Ian Zapczynski) Date: Mon Dec 8 12:25:09 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Rowe mm1 In-Reply-To: <20081206200002.6DD88AAEA4@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20081206200002.6DD88AAEA4@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Hello Jason. It's good to hear from someone else with a 1960s Rowe juke, especially an MM1. I have one myself and love it even with its faults. Let me make sure I understand your issue properly. Do you mean to say that that the tone arm gets to the end of the record ok? If you manually move the tone arm in towards the center, the record will reject properly? If so, that is a pretty simple adjustment that is covered in the manual. Do you have one? Even if you're a first timer on these machines (I haven't been reading this list thoroughly so I'm not sure if that's the case), this should be perhaps the easiest problem to resolve, so don't be too afraid to make the necessary adjustments. I'm glad to hear your MM1 seems to be playing correctly otherwise - getting mine to do so has been no small feat! From what I understand, problems with this unit's selection system were common so if you've got one that's working great, you're one of the lucky ones. -Ian > I have a rowe mm1that is playing correctly,except when returning the record it will not fully return the record the tone arm stops fractionally early in turn not putting the record away, but when the record cancel button is pushed it completes cycle correctly. Any ideas before I put my sticky fingers in? Thanks Jason _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 From pinball at telus.net Mon Dec 8 13:17:10 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Dec 8 13:18:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe mm1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493D8ED6.3050802@telus.net> CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE wrote: > I have a rowe mm1that is playing correctly,except when returning the record it will not fully return the record the tone arm stops fractionally early in turn not putting the record away, but when the record cancel button is pushed it completes cycle correctly. Any ideas before I put my sticky fingers in? > Thanks Jason > Sounds like the cam switches are not quite in sync with gripper arm. Perhaps they were assembled one tooth off if the gripper assembly was taken apart for service... It could also be a defective microswitch that is tripping a bit too early - check that they open and close according to the service manual instructions before taking anything apart! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Mon Dec 8 14:01:09 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Mon Dec 8 14:02:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe mm1 In-Reply-To: <493D8ED6.3050802@telus.net> References: <493D8ED6.3050802@telus.net> Message-ID: <005301c95980$7a7d2e80$6f778b80$@force9.co.uk> You may find that the cam switches themselves are ok, but the actual cam needs a slight adjustment. Slacken off the allen key bolt that bolts the cam to the shaft (not the one on the end of the shaft), and you can rotate the cam slightly on the motor shaft. Then lock it back up. The correct position of this can be found in the manual, but in my experience it never works in the position the manual says, and trial and error is necessary. There are a few things that can cause this, but my advice is mark everything up before you mess, as you may adjust the wrong thing and throw the whole thing out. Gripper gear is another likely candidate, but they the cam switch first. Once sorted it will be fantastic for years. The Rowe 1100 mech is a beauty when set up correctly, and a nightmare when not :-) Regards Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of John Robertson Sent: 08 December 2008 21:17 To: CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rowe mm1 CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE wrote: > I have a rowe mm1that is playing correctly,except when returning the record it will not fully return the record the tone arm stops fractionally early in turn not putting the record away, but when the record cancel button is pushed it completes cycle correctly. Any ideas before I put my sticky fingers in? > Thanks Jason > Sounds like the cam switches are not quite in sync with gripper arm. Perhaps they were assembled one tooth off if the gripper assembly was taken apart for service... It could also be a defective microswitch that is tripping a bit too early - check that they open and close according to the service manual instructions before taking anything apart! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From lavin at cheqnet.net Mon Dec 8 18:58:23 2008 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Mon Dec 8 18:59:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge References: <20081207.161402.14162.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> <493C7217.9030400@west.net> Message-ID: <961AAA879A7D49FDB8A5B4335323FCB6@dennis38rxl3bv> HI Jay, I was the one asking about the 3600 cart. I did re order a new needle for the 133-D cart, should have it in a few days. The last one I orderd looked correct but did not fit well. We will see what happens with this one. :-) Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge > James Alexander wrote: >> Hello Jay: >> I think you are mistaken on the phono cartridge issue here. I worked as >> a tech for a midwest vending company in the mid 60's that had a big >> jukebox route. Most of their equipment was Wurlitzer, with a few >> Seeburgs. The local Wurl. distributor and the N.Y. plant kept the >> company plugged into any service bulletins, training seminars, etc as >> they were a big client. >> Wurlitzer used the Sonotone 9T as their phono cartridge into the late >> 60's. This is the one that had the 4 pin plug in connector. As I >> recall, the Sonotone Corp had business difficulties and closed their >> doors around this time. The last juke model that came equipped with the >> 9T was the 3100 (first Americana model) The following carousel models >> came equipped with either a Sonotone or an Astatic equivalent model. >> By the time Wurl. made the transition to the "new" record changer (3400) >> only Astatic OEM cartridges were being supplied. To verify this, I >> checked my service library. The 3100 manual shows the 9T cartridge as >> original equipment. The 3700 and 1050 manual lists an Astatic >> cartridge (no astatic model #)as original equipment. I don't have any >> of the in-between model books to check this. > > You are almost certainly correct. My knowledge of Wurlitzers past the > 3100 model is minimal. I know I hate dealing with those Sonotone plugs. > The little clips come out and the wires break, no ready documentation as > to which clip connects to which channel + or -, generally fragile. Usually > have to take the whole tonearm out of the machine to repair and then tweak > the set-down and trip setting, etc. > > In any case, if the original poster knows the cartridge make/model I think > it would be best to reference this when purchasing a replacement stylus > instead of the phonograph make/model. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jtjalsma at home.nl Tue Dec 9 01:57:47 2008 From: jtjalsma at home.nl (Jurjen Tjalsma) Date: Tue Dec 9 01:59:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100A Problems Message-ID: <493E411B.7020503@home.nl> Hello group, Does a converted to 45 RPM M100A need the 'pickup booster spring'? Mine is missing.... In my manual it is mentioned on page 58, adjustment #25. If it's needed can it be made from a paperclip or something like that? Another problem: when both sides of the record are selected it scans to the B-side, picks up the record and put it back without playing and picks it back up to play to A-side. When only a B-side is selected it plays fine. Dirty contacts or is it something else? Thanks in advance, Jurjen Tjalsma (Netherlands) From jtjalsma at home.nl Tue Dec 9 01:45:00 2008 From: jtjalsma at home.nl (Jurjen Tjalsma) Date: Tue Dec 9 02:08:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100A problems Message-ID: <493E3E1C.5080508@home.nl> Hello group, Does a converted to 45 RPM M100A need the 'pickup booster spring'? Mine is missing.... In my manual it is mentioned on page 58, adjustment #25. If it's needed can it be made from a paperclip or something like that? Another problem: when both sides of the record are selected it scans to the B-side, picks up the record and put it back without playing and picks it back up to play to A-side. When only a B-side is selected it plays fine. Dirty contacts or is it something else? Thanks in advance, Jurjen Tjalsma (Netherlands) From johntrav at suddenlink.net Tue Dec 9 14:51:49 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Tue Dec 9 14:52:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe mm1 References: Message-ID: <52434F2385484D4B937E58B4FDE430E8@JOHNTRAV> I think Nigel is on the right track. If the cam is secured with an allen screw, it may have slipped a bit, allowing the switch to transfer early. Around the time the MM (Music Merchant) series was introduced, Rowe made a running production change from the allen screw to a roll pin thru the motor shaft which engages with a slot in the cam hub. If yours is the later type, the cam timing is non adjustable. Your "plan B" is to adjust the transfer point of the switch. The switch is at the C2 location. Looking at the cam/switch assembly from the transfer motor shaft end, this switch would be to your left, second one up, at about the 9-10 o'clock position. Remove the wires and check transfer with a VOM on "continuity"setting. If the switch reads OK, your next step will be adjustment. The switch should make/break at about the center of the cam lift lobe. If adjustment is required, slightly loosen the 2 switch mounting screws. The end of the switch nearest the actuator button in the switch can be moved in relation to the cam to achieve the correct transfer point. While you're in the neighborhood, check all the switches as described. You may be able to do this with the mech in place, or, if necessary, you may be able to turn the mech enough to make the adjustments without disconnecting the cables. As Nigel said, once the 1100 mech is properly set up, it is ultra reliable. Good luck! John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE" To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe mm1 I have a rowe mm1that is playing correctly,except when returning the record it will not fully return the record the tone arm stops fractionally early in turn not putting the record away, but when the record cancel button is pushed it completes cycle correctly. Any ideas before I put my sticky fingers in? Thanks Jason _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 9 15:16:48 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 9 15:17:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe mm1 In-Reply-To: <52434F2385484D4B937E58B4FDE430E8@JOHNTRAV> Message-ID: <615763.74352.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, and all, If the "transfer point" of a mini switch ("Micro", "Cherry", and any other brand)?changes, you can almost bet that the switch itself, has become defective. The whole purpose of using that type switch is to prevent the transfer point from changing ! The only 99% sure fire way that I know, to check a switch, is to use a?GOOD quality, damped,?analog meter, set on "X(or "R")" -1 and connect it to the switch, with the power off, and the wires off. Then operate the switch S-L-O-W-L-Y by hand while watching the needle.?A good?switch should "click" and instantly run the meter all the way up--keep pushing on the switch actuator, while? watching the meter--if it "drops back" or "wiggles" the meter, it IS defective. Then solwly release the actuator, while watching the meter. It should not move AT ALL, till you hear the click.?Do this test while watching both the NC and NO sides of both contacts--all four must be "perfect". Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/9/08, John Travelletti wrote: From: John Travelletti Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rowe mm1 To: "CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE" , "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 2:51 PM I think Nigel is on the right track. If the cam is secured with an allen screw, it may have slipped a bit, allowing the switch to transfer early. Around the time the MM (Music Merchant) series was introduced, Rowe made a running production change from the allen screw to a roll pin thru the motor shaft which engages with a slot in the cam hub. If yours is the later type, the cam timing is non adjustable. Your "plan B" is to adjust the transfer point of the switch. The switch is at the C2 location. Looking at the cam/switch assembly from the transfer motor shaft end, this switch would be to your left, second one up, at about the 9-10 o'clock position. Remove the wires and check transfer with a VOM on "continuity"setting. If the switch reads OK, your next step will be adjustment. The switch should make/break at about the center of the cam lift lobe. If adjustment is required, slightly loosen the 2 switch mounting screws. The end of the switch nearest the actuator button in the switch can be moved in relation to the cam to achieve the correct transfer point. While you're in the neighborhood, check all the switches as described. You may be able to do this with the mech in place, or, if necessary, you may be able to turn the mech enough to make the adjustments without disconnecting the cables. As Nigel said, once the 1100 mech is properly set up, it is ultra reliable. Good luck! John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE" To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe mm1 I have a rowe mm1that is playing correctly,except when returning the record it will not fully return the record the tone arm stops fractionally early in turn not putting the record away, but when the record cancel button is pushed it completes cycle correctly. Any ideas before I put my sticky fingers in? Thanks Jason _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Tue Dec 9 16:55:06 2008 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David) Date: Tue Dec 9 17:02:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge References: <20081207.203424.10225.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <002501c95a61$f184a760$571d8b45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Hi Jim and all Found an interesting Sonotone web site to share. http://www.roger-russell.com/sonopg/sonopc.htm#cartridges ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge Jay: When it comes to repairing/restoring 60's vintage Wurlitzers, the only technique I'm aware of in dealing with the Sonotone 9T connectors is to try and locate NOS Sonotone cartridges. You do see them being offered sometimes. Otherwise a conversion to conventional solder lugs is needed. (not a fun job) FYI: Sonotone produced a cartridge model 18T (in the 60's) that used the 4 pin connector like the 9T model. The 18T was a more expensive stereo ceramic cart. with better specs that never used by any of the juke manufacturers as OEM equipment. The 18T was bought by home stereo console manufacturers (i.e. GE, Zenith, Magnavox, etc) and used in their top-of-the-line products. The 18T would probably be decent substitute for the 9T if you found them for sale. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdIcVcAE4Ui0OK8XsCpR4YRTnUURQ6zHAy35fPkRCGN7N2O/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Tue Dec 9 20:33:50 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Dec 9 20:34:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100A problems In-Reply-To: <493E3E1C.5080508@home.nl> References: <493E3E1C.5080508@home.nl> Message-ID: <493F46AE.4000308@telus.net> Jurjen Tjalsma wrote: > > Hello group, > > Does a converted to 45 RPM M100A need the 'pickup booster spring'? > Mine is missing.... In my manual it is mentioned on page 58, > adjustment #25. If it's needed can it be made from a paperclip or > something like that? > Another problem: when both sides of the record are selected it scans > to the B-side, picks up the record and put it back without playing and > picks it back up to play to A-side. When only a B-side is selected it > plays fine. Dirty contacts or is it something else? > > Thanks in advance, Jurjen Tjalsma (Netherlands) I am busy restoring one of these machines (setting to 33-1/3) and had the same problem. It is caused by switch "W" contacts not opening properly during play. Switch "W"s location is shown on page 94, with the adjustment info on page 83 of the original Seeburg service manual. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pinball at telus.net Tue Dec 9 20:37:04 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Dec 9 20:38:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100A problems In-Reply-To: <493E3E1C.5080508@home.nl> References: <493E3E1C.5080508@home.nl> Message-ID: <493F4770.6000200@telus.net> Jurjen Tjalsma wrote: > > Hello group, > > Does a converted to 45 RPM M100A need the 'pickup booster spring'? > Mine is missing.... In my manual it is mentioned on page 58, > adjustment #25. If it's needed can it be made from a paperclip or > something like that? > Another problem: when both sides of the record are selected it scans > to the B-side, picks up the record and put it back without playing and > picks it back up to play to A-side. When only a B-side is selected it > plays fine. Dirty contacts or is it something else? > > Thanks in advance, Jurjen Tjalsma (Netherlands) You do not need the "Booster Spring" for 45s or 33s - it only is required for the 78s to ensure the needle would start in the lead-in groove, which was often damaged on 78s... It is best to simply remove it and bag it for posterity (I save all removed parts as you never know...) John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pinball at telus.net Tue Dec 9 20:44:20 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Dec 9 20:45:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] More info on converting M100A to 33-1/3 Message-ID: <493F4924.2080407@telus.net> Looking over the clutch tower drive gears I found that the primary drive gear has 19 teeth and the driven gear has 30, making a ratio of almost 2/3 to 1/3 speed reduction. So I was thinking why not simply EXCHANGE the 19 and 30 toothed gears? Drill out the 30 tooth so it fits the thicker shaft, and use a brass collar on the 19 tooth to shim it up for the clutch drive shaft... I did find an original 45 conversion gear set (speed up gears referred to in the CalCoin conversion kit) that is cut 1:1. so as I already had a set of the 1:1 gears I did not bother and they do make the mech scan at a much better speed in any case. Will try that gear exchange on my next conversion to 33RPM for a M100A... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ccos at knology.net Tue Dec 9 21:31:20 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Tue Dec 9 21:32:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe mm1 In-Reply-To: <615763.74352.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <615763.74352.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <720C7E565629479485BC9DE615290306@CCOSPC> Ron, I have experienced problems in the past that drove me nuts until I changed what I thought was a good switch using a digital meter, and I have listened intently to (read) what you have said previously on the subject. My question is this: For those of us less familiar with analog meters, and why it makes a difference to use one in cases like this, would you mind explaining in a bit more detail please? For example, first I don't understand why (I do believe) it makes a difference, unless it's because the analog meter uses more amperage and uncovers faults that a digital might let slip by. Also, I must have a non-"GOOD" quality analog meter because I don't know what "X(or R)" -1 means. I do understand the purpose of the tests you describe (worn, burnt, sloppy, dirty, unpredictable contacts inside the switch) but I'd like to understand more about the analog meter method of testing the switches. Hopefully, I'm not the only one on the list unclear about this and others will benifit from your explanation as well. If not, would you consider writing and publishing one more book "All You Ever Wanted To Know About Analog VOM's And Testing Components That Can't Be Tested Properly With Digital Meters" ? I'd buy one. Thanks for all you do here, Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rowe mm1 John, and all, If the "transfer point" of a mini switch ("Micro", "Cherry", and any other brand) changes, you can almost bet that the switch itself, has become defective. The whole purpose of using that type switch is to prevent the transfer point from changing ! The only 99% sure fire way that I know, to check a switch, is to use a GOOD quality, damped, analog meter, set on "X(or "R")" -1 and connect it to the switch, with the power off, and the wires off. Then operate the switch S-L-O-W-L-Y by hand while watching the needle. A good switch should "click" and instantly run the meter all the way up--keep pushing on the switch actuator, while watching the meter--if it "drops back" or "wiggles" the meter, it IS defective. Then solwly release the actuator, while watching the meter. It should not move AT ALL, till you hear the click. Do this test while watching both the NC and NO sides of both contacts--all four must be "perfect". Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/9/08, John Travelletti wrote: From: John Travelletti Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rowe mm1 To: "CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE" , "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 2:51 PM I think Nigel is on the right track. If the cam is secured with an allen screw, it may have slipped a bit, allowing the switch to transfer early. Around the time the MM (Music Merchant) series was introduced, Rowe made a running production change from the allen screw to a roll pin thru the motor shaft which engages with a slot in the cam hub. If yours is the later type, the cam timing is non adjustable. Your "plan B" is to adjust the transfer point of the switch. The switch is at the C2 location. Looking at the cam/switch assembly from the transfer motor shaft end, this switch would be to your left, second one up, at about the 9-10 o'clock position. Remove the wires and check transfer with a VOM on "continuity"setting. If the switch reads OK, your next step will be adjustment. The switch should make/break at about the center of the cam lift lobe. If adjustment is required, slightly loosen the 2 switch mounting screws. The end of the switch nearest the actuator button in the switch can be moved in relation to the cam to achieve the correct transfer point. While you're in the neighborhood, check all the switches as described. You may be able to do this with the mech in place, or, if necessary, you may be able to turn the mech enough to make the adjustments without disconnecting the cables. As Nigel said, once the 1100 mech is properly set up, it is ultra reliable. Good luck! John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE" To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe mm1 I have a rowe mm1that is playing correctly,except when returning the record it will not fully return the record the tone arm stops fractionally early in turn not putting the record away, but when the record cancel button is pushed it completes cycle correctly. Any ideas before I put my sticky fingers in? Thanks Jason _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Dec 9 22:40:46 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Dec 9 22:43:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge Message-ID: <20081210.014046.26693.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Dave: Thanks for the referral to this website. Very complete listing of all Sonotone phono products. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! Shop now at http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1241/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 From jtjalsma at home.nl Wed Dec 10 02:33:33 2008 From: jtjalsma at home.nl (Jurjen Tjalsma) Date: Wed Dec 10 02:34:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100A problems In-Reply-To: <493F46AE.4000308@telus.net> References: <493E3E1C.5080508@home.nl> <493F46AE.4000308@telus.net> Message-ID: <493F9AFD.8070909@home.nl> Thanks John, it worked! Great help! About the spring: I thought the needle not landing correctly was caused by this spring. The adjustment screw was at is maximum position already. A little piece of tape did the trick. Do you any suggestions about cleaning the selector assembly? Most of the selections are fine, but sometimes the selection levers don't go far enough. Is the best solution taking the whole assembly apart? If so, where to start? Thanks again in advance, Jurjen Tjalsma John Robertson schreef: > Jurjen Tjalsma wrote: >> >> Hello group, >> >> Does a converted to 45 RPM M100A need the 'pickup booster spring'? >> Mine is missing.... In my manual it is mentioned on page 58, >> adjustment #25. If it's needed can it be made from a paperclip or >> something like that? >> Another problem: when both sides of the record are selected it scans >> to the B-side, picks up the record and put it back without playing >> and picks it back up to play to A-side. When only a B-side is >> selected it plays fine. Dirty contacts or is it something else? >> >> Thanks in advance, Jurjen Tjalsma (Netherlands) > I am busy restoring one of these machines (setting to 33-1/3) and had > the same problem. > > It is caused by switch "W" contacts not opening properly during play. > Switch "W"s location is shown on page 94, with the adjustment info on > page 83 of the original Seeburg service manual. > > John :-#)# > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 06:54:57 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Dec 10 06:56:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100A problems In-Reply-To: <493F4770.6000200@telus.net> Message-ID: <747181.48551.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 12/9/08, John Robertson wrote: > You do not need the "Booster Spring" for 45s or > 33s - it only is required for the 78s to ensure the needle > would start in the lead-in groove, which was often damaged > on 78s... Some 78s didn't even have lead-in grooves as late as the 1940s. The spring was for compatibility with older style disks. Like John says, you don't need it for disks with lead-in grooves, and a lead-in groove is definitely part of both the 45 and 33 standard. I slightly bent mine so it exerts little if any force on the tone arm. I've found that the pickup tends to jump inward a little when released anyway, especially on the "B" side of 10" records. The spring seems most needed on 12" records. From johntrav at suddenlink.net Wed Dec 10 07:35:12 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Wed Dec 10 07:36:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe mm1 References: <615763.74352.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I was suggesting a simple "pass/fail" test using test equipment available to and understood by most everybody. If defective, a genuine Cherry replacement is available online for under a buck (Happ # 95-0733-01 @ .97 each, .83 L/100). The adjustment procedure is to compensate for mechanical wear on the actuator arm, actuator button, and cam lobe. As old as the MM-1 is, it's had probably zillions of operating cycles. As a retired Rowe field service engineer, Rowe operator, and Rowe rebuilder I've had to adjust far more switches than replace them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rowe mm1 John, and all, If the "transfer point" of a mini switch ("Micro", "Cherry", and any other brand) changes, you can almost bet that the switch itself, has become defective. The whole purpose of using that type switch is to prevent the transfer point from changing ! The only 99% sure fire way that I know, to check a switch, is to use a GOOD quality, damped, analog meter, set on "X(or "R")" -1 and connect it to the switch, with the power off, and the wires off. Then operate the switch S-L-O-W-L-Y by hand while watching the needle. A good switch should "click" and instantly run the meter all the way up--keep pushing on the switch actuator, while watching the meter--if it "drops back" or "wiggles" the meter, it IS defective. Then solwly release the actuator, while watching the meter. It should not move AT ALL, till you hear the click. Do this test while watching both the NC and NO sides of both contacts--all four must be "perfect". Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/9/08, John Travelletti wrote: From: John Travelletti Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rowe mm1 To: "CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE" , "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 2:51 PM I think Nigel is on the right track. If the cam is secured with an allen screw, it may have slipped a bit, allowing the switch to transfer early. Around the time the MM (Music Merchant) series was introduced, Rowe made a running production change from the allen screw to a roll pin thru the motor shaft which engages with a slot in the cam hub. If yours is the later type, the cam timing is non adjustable. Your "plan B" is to adjust the transfer point of the switch. The switch is at the C2 location. Looking at the cam/switch assembly from the transfer motor shaft end, this switch would be to your left, second one up, at about the 9-10 o'clock position. Remove the wires and check transfer with a VOM on "continuity"setting. If the switch reads OK, your next step will be adjustment. The switch should make/break at about the center of the cam lift lobe. If adjustment is required, slightly loosen the 2 switch mounting screws. The end of the switch nearest the actuator button in the switch can be moved in relation to the cam to achieve the correct transfer point. While you're in the neighborhood, check all the switches as described. You may be able to do this with the mech in place, or, if necessary, you may be able to turn the mech enough to make the adjustments without disconnecting the cables. As Nigel said, once the 1100 mech is properly set up, it is ultra reliable. Good luck! John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE" To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe mm1 I have a rowe mm1that is playing correctly,except when returning the record it will not fully return the record the tone arm stops fractionally early in turn not putting the record away, but when the record cancel button is pushed it completes cycle correctly. Any ideas before I put my sticky fingers in? Thanks Jason _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Tonnie.d.Haas at het-anker.nl Wed Dec 10 03:28:12 2008 From: Tonnie.d.Haas at het-anker.nl (Tonnie de Haas) Date: Wed Dec 10 09:49:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] jukeboxmuseum belgium Message-ID: <84331068BDF0B64D8AD6728C6DA282660316C4@server.domain.local> hallo Geert, Heb een groot probleem en misschien kun je me helpen... Heb vorige week een TELFA radio/platenspeler/jukebox gekocht...ziet er geweldig uit, alles nog origineel. Echter, alles brandt, pickup loopt ...maar geen geluid Ook de radio zelf geeft geen geluid... Volgens de mensen waar ik het van heb gekocht speelde hij voordien wel met een prachtige klank. Enig idee waar ik het moet gaan zoeken ??? Benieuwd of je me kunt helpen (of doorverwijzen naar iemand ??). Vriend.groet, Tonnie de Haas - Boven Leeuwen / Nederland. From jay at west.net Wed Dec 10 10:14:49 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Dec 10 10:15:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge In-Reply-To: <002501c95a61$f184a760$571d8b45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> References: <20081207.203424.10225.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> <002501c95a61$f184a760$571d8b45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Message-ID: <49400719.4080400@west.net> David wrote: > Hi Jim and all > > Found an interesting Sonotone web site to share. > > http://www.roger-russell.com/sonopg/sonopc.htm#cartridges Very cool! Notice how starting at about model 10 they became less and less precise about the frequency response, devolving from hard numbers broken down by parts of the spectrum to "Smooth across entire audio hearing range" with no numbers at all. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 11:27:05 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 10 11:28:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge In-Reply-To: <49400719.4080400@west.net> Message-ID: <7216.9998.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, Yes, that was interesting--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 10:14 AM David wrote: > Hi Jim and all > > Found an interesting Sonotone web site to share. > > http://www.roger-russell.com/sonopg/sonopc.htm#cartridges Very cool! Notice how starting at about model 10 they became less and less precise about the frequency response, devolving from hard numbers broken down by parts of the spectrum to "Smooth across entire audio hearing range" with no numbers at all. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From p.hagens at wxs.nl Wed Dec 10 11:16:04 2008 From: p.hagens at wxs.nl (Piet Hagens) Date: Wed Dec 10 11:30:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] jukeboxmuseum belgium In-Reply-To: <84331068BDF0B64D8AD6728C6DA282660316C4@server.domain.local> References: <84331068BDF0B64D8AD6728C6DA282660316C4@server.domain.local> Message-ID: <003b01c95afb$bf284bb0$3d78e310$@hagens@wxs.nl> Hallo, Ik ken deze apparaten alleen van de foto's . Wat er waarschijnlijk aan de hand is dat er of een defect zit in de versterker of een schakelaar o.i.d. die de keuze tussen radio en pickup regelt. Uiteraard kunnen we dat wel voor u in orde maken. Met vriendelijke groet, greetings, ? Piet Hagens www.jukebox-revival.nl shop: http://www.jukebox-revival.nl/catalog/index.php -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Namens Tonnie de Haas Verzonden: woensdag 10 december 2008 12:28 Aan: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Onderwerp: [Jukebox-list] jukeboxmuseum belgium Urgentie: Hoog hallo Geert, Heb een groot probleem en misschien kun je me helpen... Heb vorige week een TELFA radio/platenspeler/jukebox gekocht...ziet er geweldig uit, alles nog origineel. Echter, alles brandt, pickup loopt ...maar geen geluid Ook de radio zelf geeft geen geluid... Volgens de mensen waar ik het van heb gekocht speelde hij voordien wel met een prachtige klank. Enig idee waar ik het moet gaan zoeken ??? Benieuwd of je me kunt helpen (of doorverwijzen naar iemand ??). Vriend.groet, Tonnie de Haas - Boven Leeuwen / Nederland. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Dec 10 12:58:43 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Dec 10 13:00:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge Message-ID: <20081210.155843.29902.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: I'm not trying to minimize anyone's efforts here, and,yes Sonotone was considerd to be one of the best ceramic element phono cartridges in their day, but is it a smart service practice to buy and try to use old crystal/ceramic phono cartridge stock? I'm working under the impression that piezo-element cartridges slowly deteriorate over time,whether used or not. Magnetic element cartridges do not go bad with age. Buying new old (Sonotone or otherwise) cartridge stock is the equivalent of buying last week's lettuce at the foodmart. On the other hand, at the Roger Russell site, they mentioned a company that has resumed production of certain Sonotone pickups? At the needles4jukeboxes website, they are selling several Sonotone replacement cartridge models that are said to be fresh inventory. ____________________________________________________________ Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdIcSsZSFACUJ4Alchn91h8fLgOt0M32twUtISODI8Uqghg/ From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Dec 10 13:09:21 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Wed Dec 10 13:10:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge In-Reply-To: <20081210.155843.29902.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081210.155843.29902.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001301c95b0b$92d61000$b8823000$@force9.co.uk> I thought, but please correct me as I don't know where I got this info from - that only crystal deteriorated, and ceramic ones were ok. However, I had a batch of NOS 9TA Sonotones once, and the rubber cantilevers that kept the stylus in place had gone a bit brittle and snapped off after a small amount of usage. I also found the newer replacement styli for them did not like the polystyrene tyoe of record (so I went magnetic instead). Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of James Alexander Sent: 10 December 2008 20:59 To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge Gentlemen: I'm not trying to minimize anyone's efforts here, and,yes Sonotone was considerd to be one of the best ceramic element phono cartridges in their day, but is it a smart service practice to buy and try to use old crystal/ceramic phono cartridge stock? I'm working under the impression that piezo-element cartridges slowly deteriorate over time,whether used or not. Magnetic element cartridges do not go bad with age. Buying new old (Sonotone or otherwise) cartridge stock is the equivalent of buying last week's lettuce at the foodmart. On the other hand, at the Roger Russell site, they mentioned a company that has resumed production of certain Sonotone pickups? At the needles4jukeboxes website, they are selling several Sonotone replacement cartridge models that are said to be fresh inventory. ____________________________________________________________ Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdIcSsZSFACUJ4Alchn91h8 fLgOt0M32twUtISODI8Uqghg/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Wed Dec 10 13:10:10 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Dec 10 13:11:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge In-Reply-To: <20081210.155843.29902.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081210.155843.29902.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <49403032.9070306@west.net> James Alexander wrote: > > Gentlemen: > I'm not trying to minimize anyone's efforts here, and,yes Sonotone was considerd to be one of the best ceramic element phono cartridges in their day, but is it a smart service practice to buy and try to use old crystal/ceramic phono cartridge stock? > I'm working under the impression that piezo-element cartridges slowly deteriorate over time,whether used or not. Magnetic element cartridges do not go bad with age. Buying new old (Sonotone or otherwise) cartridge stock is the equivalent of buying last week's lettuce at the foodmart. > On the other hand, at the Roger Russell site, they mentioned a company that has resumed production of certain Sonotone pickups? At the needles4jukeboxes website, they are selling several Sonotone replacement cartridge models that are said to be fresh inventory. I agree in the case of crystal pickups made from Rochelle salts, as is the case with the old flat monaural riveted Astatic type. I would be surprised if any of these are still working. The elements in ceramic pickups, however, don't seem to deteriorate with age in my experience. Those with rubberized plastic elastomers may have issues, but in most cases the flexible compliance element is part of the stylus stem. Unless damaged, I have seen few problems with original ceramic cartridges in 1960s to 1970s boxes. I will occasionally upgrade to magnetic with RIAA preamp if the box is a real "keeper" and I'm looking for the best sound. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Wed Dec 10 13:21:37 2008 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Wed Dec 10 13:37:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge In-Reply-To: <49403032.9070306@west.net> References: <20081210.155843.29902.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> <49403032.9070306@west.net> Message-ID: In the last couple of years I've been buying battery operated portable phonographs from the 1960's and early 1970's. Virtually every time there is an issue with "no sound" the cause has been a dead ceramic cartridge. There must be something in them that could deteriorate with age, considering the high failure rate. Although, in all fairness, usually one common type of Astatic cartridge was used in these portables, so perhaps it was more of a brand fault rather than a fault of ceramics in general. That's been my observation, and I wanted to include it in this discussion. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan Sent: 2008, December, 10 4:10 PM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge James Alexander wrote: > > Gentlemen: > I'm not trying to minimize anyone's efforts here, and,yes Sonotone was considerd to be one of the best ceramic element phono cartridges in their day, but is it a smart service practice to buy and try to use old crystal/ceramic phono cartridge stock? > I'm working under the impression that piezo-element cartridges slowly deteriorate over time,whether used or not. Magnetic element cartridges do not go bad with age. Buying new old (Sonotone or otherwise) cartridge stock is the equivalent of buying last week's lettuce at the foodmart. > On the other hand, at the Roger Russell site, they mentioned a company that has resumed production of certain Sonotone pickups? At the needles4jukeboxes website, they are selling several Sonotone replacement cartridge models that are said to be fresh inventory. I agree in the case of crystal pickups made from Rochelle salts, as is the case with the old flat monaural riveted Astatic type. I would be surprised if any of these are still working. The elements in ceramic pickups, however, don't seem to deteriorate with age in my experience. Those with rubberized plastic elastomers may have issues, but in most cases the flexible compliance element is part of the stylus stem. Unless damaged, I have seen few problems with original ceramic cartridges in 1960s to 1970s boxes. I will occasionally upgrade to magnetic with RIAA preamp if the box is a real "keeper" and I'm looking for the best sound. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Wed Dec 10 14:59:24 2008 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Wed Dec 10 15:03:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] jukeboxmuseum belgium (rough translation) References: <84331068BDF0B64D8AD6728C6DA282660316C4@server.domain.local> Message-ID: <10BD843E5EB9428A800B685559175697@DFLXW121> Roughly translated from Dutch to English from Yahoo! Babelfish: hello Geert, Perhaps have a large problem and can you me help? TELFA have last week bought radio/record player/jukebox? see terribly, everything still original. However, burns everything, pickup run? but no sound Also the radio himself gives no sound? According to people where I have bought it of he played voordien, however, with a splendid consonance. Some idea where I it must zoeken will??? Aroused curiosity or you can help me (or refer to someone??). friend vriend.groet, Tonnie the hare - above lions/the Netherlands. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tonnie de Haas" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:28 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] jukeboxmuseum belgium hallo Geert, Heb een groot probleem en misschien kun je me helpen... Heb vorige week een TELFA radio/platenspeler/jukebox gekocht...ziet er geweldig uit, alles nog origineel. Echter, alles brandt, pickup loopt ...maar geen geluid Ook de radio zelf geeft geen geluid... Volgens de mensen waar ik het van heb gekocht speelde hij voordien wel met een prachtige klank. Enig idee waar ik het moet gaan zoeken ??? Benieuwd of je me kunt helpen (of doorverwijzen naar iemand ??). Vriend.groet, Tonnie de Haas - Boven Leeuwen / Nederland. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Wed Dec 10 15:01:01 2008 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Wed Dec 10 15:03:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] jukeboxmuseum belgium (translated) References: <84331068BDF0B64D8AD6728C6DA282660316C4@server.domain.local> <003b01c95afb$bf284bb0$3d78e310$@hagens@wxs.nl> Message-ID: For those who speak only British, the Babelfish translation: Hello, I know these apparatuss only of foto' s. what there is probably to the hand that there or faulty a zit in the amplifier or a switch o.i.d. which regulates the choice between radio and pickup. Of course we can fix that, however, for you. Kind regards, greetings, Piet Hagens www.jukebox-revival.nl shop: http://www.jukebox-revival.nl/catalog/index.php ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piet Hagens" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:16 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] jukeboxmuseum belgium Hallo, Ik ken deze apparaten alleen van de foto's . Wat er waarschijnlijk aan de hand is dat er of een defect zit in de versterker of een schakelaar o.i.d. die de keuze tussen radio en pickup regelt. Uiteraard kunnen we dat wel voor u in orde maken. Met vriendelijke groet, greetings, Piet Hagens www.jukebox-revival.nl shop: http://www.jukebox-revival.nl/catalog/index.php -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Namens Tonnie de Haas Verzonden: woensdag 10 december 2008 12:28 Aan: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Onderwerp: [Jukebox-list] jukeboxmuseum belgium Urgentie: Hoog hallo Geert, Heb een groot probleem en misschien kun je me helpen... Heb vorige week een TELFA radio/platenspeler/jukebox gekocht...ziet er geweldig uit, alles nog origineel. Echter, alles brandt, pickup loopt ...maar geen geluid Ook de radio zelf geeft geen geluid... Volgens de mensen waar ik het van heb gekocht speelde hij voordien wel met een prachtige klank. Enig idee waar ik het moet gaan zoeken ??? Benieuwd of je me kunt helpen (of doorverwijzen naar iemand ??). Vriend.groet, Tonnie de Haas - Boven Leeuwen / Nederland. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 11 07:23:23 2008 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Thu Dec 11 07:24:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Looks like a bargain! Message-ID: <514503.19250.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For sale in St. Louis Mo. http://stlouis.craigslist.org/clt/953407887.html Wish I had the $$$$ and space! Holiday wishes to you all! Bob - Chicago From bobe at halted.com Thu Dec 11 10:50:32 2008 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Thu Dec 11 11:02:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Looks like a bargain! Message-ID: <2.2.32.20081211185032.00983154@hsces.com> At 07:23 AM 12/11/2008 -0800, you wrote: >For sale in St. Louis Mo. > >http://stlouis.craigslist.org/clt/953407887.html > >Wish I had the $$$$ and space! Son of the Mother of Plastic? --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From Trollmasters at webtv.net Thu Dec 11 18:52:10 2008 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Thu Dec 11 18:59:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 41 Amp. Message-ID: <24880-4941D1DA-1436@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net> Does anyone have a copy or can send me a copy of the schematic diagram for a Wurlitzer model 41 tabletop amplifier? I checked Vern"s site but its not listed there. Thanks, Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 12 07:08:21 2008 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Fri Dec 12 07:09:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another bargain???? Message-ID: <908167.92992.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not as inexpensive as yesterdays Bargain O' the Day..... 1946 AMI JUKEBOX MODEL B http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/09mb5JXYq92cANWYjJ2cvx2ZsFmYl5mLAAAdf Bob Chicago From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 12 11:00:23 2008 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Fri Dec 12 11:01:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another Bargain O' the Day Message-ID: <377418.7924.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 1936 Mills DO RE ME Jukeboxes, Pair, Parts or Restore - $250 (St Charles) http://stlouis.craigslist.org/clt/955041700.html From Jjmscf at aol.com Fri Dec 12 17:52:34 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 12 17:59:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another Bargain O' the Day Message-ID: A nice AMI jukebox in Maryland.Not super cheap but cheap enough for a playing 50s jukebox. Hey Jackie it's in your neck of the woods! I'd love to be getting it myself but the finances won't allow any juke expenditures right now.Some people may not like the styling of those AMIs but I think they're cool. Highly visible mech and great sounding. _http://baltimore.craigslist.org/ele/953221260.html_ (http://baltimore.craigslist.org/ele/953221260.html) J.C. In a message dated 12/12/2008 2:02:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, notarysojac@sbcglobal.net writes: 1936 Mills DO RE ME Jukeboxes, Pair, Parts or Restore - $250 (St Charles) http://stlouis.craigslist.org/clt/955041700.html _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From joe400f at shaw.ca Fri Dec 12 18:09:42 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Fri Dec 12 18:10:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another Bargain O' the Day References: Message-ID: <002301c95cc7$dcaa85e0$939f4f18@compaq> I also think they are cool. These AMI models E F and G are highly under rated. Especially the F and G. There was a recent discussion that I started about how great they sound. Quite a long discussion and lots of input from everyone. This one in particular has an odd color scheme that does not enhance the looks. Trying to use polite words here. They put out a show mechanically and sound great. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Another Bargain O' the Day > > A nice AMI jukebox in Maryland.Not super cheap but cheap enough for a > playing 50s jukebox. Hey Jackie it's in your neck of the woods! I'd love > to be > getting it myself but the finances won't allow any juke expenditures > right > now.Some people may not like the styling of those AMIs but I think > they're cool. > Highly visible mech and great sounding. > > _http://baltimore.craigslist.org/ele/953221260.html_ > (http://baltimore.craigslist.org/ele/953221260.html) > > > J.C. > > > > > In a message dated 12/12/2008 2:02:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > notarysojac@sbcglobal.net writes: > > 1936 Mills DO RE ME Jukeboxes, Pair, Parts or Restore - $250 (St > Charles) > > http://stlouis.craigslist.org/clt/955041700.html > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From joe400f at shaw.ca Fri Dec 12 18:21:54 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Fri Dec 12 18:22:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes Message-ID: <000801c95cc9$91055f00$939f4f18@compaq> Speaking of under rated jukes. Check out this link on how an AMI F and G will and should look. I hope Aaron does not mind. This is his site. http://www.buffalohistoryworks.com/ami/index.html Joey McDonald From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Dec 12 18:52:03 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Dec 12 18:54:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge Message-ID: <20081212.215203.21910.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: The turn-over type crystal or ceramic phono cartridges used in small "suitcase" phonographs are different models than the ones we discussed that are used for jukebox applications. There were a wide choice of piezo-element cartridges,with different specs,for different applications. The portable phonos were generally equipped with minimal-circuitry amplifiers. (in the case of mono tube amps, there is usually one power output tube) The cartridge was a stiff compliance,high output (up to 3 volts) type that could operate directly into the grid circuit of the tube. The manufacturers that dominated this market were Astatic, Ronette and Vaco. There were both mono and stereo versions of these pickups. Chances are price was a big factor in the cartridge choice. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Visa, MasterCard, AMEX & Discover. Compare Offers & Apply Online. Click here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9KFNrrpaar3t1T3zN4dnBzVhj4GfRRUDwk3gaQEHwGKQQWa/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 19:48:06 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Dec 12 20:01:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Another Bargain O' the Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <156266.92924.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Whatz "controllers"--wallboxes? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 12/12/08, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Another Bargain O' the Day To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 5:52 PM A nice AMI jukebox in Maryland.Not super cheap but cheap enough for a playing 50s jukebox. Hey Jackie it's in your neck of the woods! I'd love to be getting it myself but the finances won't allow any juke expenditures right now.Some people may not like the styling of those AMIs but I think they're cool. Highly visible mech and great sounding. _http://baltimore.craigslist.org/ele/953221260.html_ (http://baltimore.craigslist.org/ele/953221260.html) J.C. In a message dated 12/12/2008 2:02:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, notarysojac@sbcglobal.net writes: 1936 Mills DO RE ME Jukeboxes, Pair, Parts or Restore - $250 (St Charles) http://stlouis.craigslist.org/clt/955041700.html _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 19:51:16 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Dec 12 20:05:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes In-Reply-To: <000801c95cc9$91055f00$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: <356013.67515.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Those are great--the color on my 'puter does not look right on the corral colored one, but I'm sure that the problem is the photo, or my 'puter--Ron Rich --- On Fri, 12/12/08, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 6:21 PM Speaking of under rated jukes. Check out this link on how an AMI F and G will and should look. I hope Aaron does not mind. This is his site. http://www.buffalohistoryworks.com/ami/index.html Joey McDonald _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 20:19:15 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Dec 12 20:20:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes In-Reply-To: <000801c95cc9$91055f00$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: <489426.74936.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 12/12/08, Joey McDonald wrote: > Speaking of under rated jukes. Check out this link on how an > AMI F and G will and should look. > > I hope Aaron does not mind. This is his site. No doubt about it, Aaron restores them to concours condition. From wbabbott at verizon.net Sat Dec 13 07:10:26 2008 From: wbabbott at verizon.net (Britt Abbott) Date: Sat Dec 13 07:11:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Shipping Experience - Sterling Van Lines Message-ID: <1086906301.14032541229181026966.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> I thought I'd let let you guys know of my recent experience in shipping a 1939 Mills Throne of Music. I bought the Mills from a gentleman in Pismo Beach, CA (north of LA) who didn't have the time to restore it. The problem was the Mills was at the beach in CA and I'm at the beach in VA. About as far away as you can get! I called around a couple of moving companies in the Pismo Beach area hoping they might have a Coast to Coast household move that this Mills could hop a ride.... no dice, but one moving company recommended Sterling Van Lines in the LA area who specialized in antiques, pianos, and the like. I called Sterling and talked with Doug and Gail who gave me a very reasonable cost to pick the Mills up and ship it to me in VA. When their crew picked up the juke in Pismo Beach, one of the crew called me and suggested that I contact Doug to have the Mills packed in a box/crate for the long trip (remember those side catalin plastics). I called Doug and for $75 they did an excellent job placing the Mills on a pallet and boxing it for the trip. The two man crew who delivered the Mills two and half weeks later did an excellent job unloading and unpacking and placing it in my garage. The juke was well packed and arrived safely. The Sterling people were all extremely courteous from, Doug to the warehouse supervisor, to the delivery crew! If you need to move a jukebox from the West Coast..... contact Sterling Van Lines @ www.sterlingvanlines.com By the way... this is my 3rd Mills Throne.... I'm hoping to make two good ones out of three, but who knows, maybe I'll find enough parts to complete all three! Merry Christmas, Britt Abbott Chesapeake, VA From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 07:16:10 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Sat Dec 13 07:17:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Shipping Experience - Sterling Van Lines In-Reply-To: <1086906301.14032541229181026966.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> References: <1086906301.14032541229181026966.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: Out of curiosity, how much does it cost to ship a juke coast to coast these days? On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Britt Abbott wrote: > I thought I'd let let you guys know of my recent experience in shipping a > 1939 Mills Throne of Music. I bought the Mills from a gentleman in Pismo > Beach, CA (north of LA) who didn't have the time to restore it. The problem > was the Mills was at the beach in CA and I'm at the beach in VA. About as > far away as you can get! I called around a couple of moving companies in the > Pismo Beach area hoping they might have a Coast to Coast household move that > this Mills could hop a ride.... no dice, but one moving company recommended > Sterling Van Lines in the LA area who specialized in antiques, pianos, and > the like. I called Sterling and talked with Doug and Gail who gave me a very > reasonable cost to pick the Mills up and ship it to me in VA. When their > crew picked up the juke in Pismo Beach, one of the crew called me and > suggested that I contact Doug to have the Mills packed in a box/crate for > the long trip (remember those side catalin plastics). I called Doug and for > $75 they did an excellent job placing the Mills on a pallet and boxing it > for the trip. The two man crew who delivered the Mills two and half weeks > later did an excellent job unloading and unpacking and placing it in my > garage. The juke was well packed and arrived safely. The Sterling people > were all extremely courteous from, Doug to the warehouse supervisor, to the > delivery crew! If you need to move a jukebox from the West Coast..... > contact Sterling Van Lines @ www.sterlingvanlines.com > > By the way... this is my 3rd Mills Throne.... I'm hoping to make two good > ones out of three, but who knows, maybe I'll find enough parts to complete > all three! > > Merry Christmas, > Britt Abbott > Chesapeake, VA > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From wbabbott at verizon.net Sat Dec 13 09:54:16 2008 From: wbabbott at verizon.net (Britt Abbott) Date: Sat Dec 13 09:55:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox Shipping Experience - Sterling Van Lines Message-ID: <1417839172.17560051229190856253.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> I had the Mills shipped at the height of the gas prices back in July/August. Total was $925 Britt On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Thomas Teeter wrote: > Out of curiosity, how much does it cost to ship a juke coast to coast > these days? On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Britt Abbott ? > wrote: > ? I thought I'd let let you guys know of my recent experience in > shipping a > 1939 Mills Throne of Music. I bought the Mills from a gentleman in > Pismo > Beach, CA (north of LA) who didn't have the time to restore it. The > problem > was the Mills was at the beach in CA and I'm at the beach in VA. About > as > far away as you can get! I called around a couple of moving companies > in the > Pismo Beach area hoping they might have a Coast to Coast household > move that > this Mills could hop a ride.... no dice, but one moving company > recommended > Sterling Van Lines in the LA area who specialized in antiques, pianos, > and > the like. I called Sterling and talked with Doug and Gail who gave me > a very > reasonable cost to pick the Mills up and ship it to me in VA. When > their > crew picked up the juke in Pismo Beach, one of the crew called me and > suggested that I contact Doug to have the Mills packed in a box/crate > for > the long trip (remember those side catalin plastics). I called Doug > and for > $75 they did an excellent job placing the Mills on a pallet and boxing > it > for the trip. The two man crew who delivered the Mills two and half > weeks > later did an excellent job unloading and unpacking and placing it in > my > garage. The juke was well packed and arrived safely. The Sterling > people > were all extremely courteous from, Doug to the warehouse supervisor, > to the > delivery crew! If you need to move a jukebox from the West Coast..... > contact Sterling Van Lines @ www.sterlingvanlines.com > > By the way... this is my 3rd Mills Throne.... I'm hoping to make two > good > ones out of three, but who knows, maybe I'll find enough parts to > complete > all three! > > Merry Christmas, > Britt Abbott > Chesapeake, VA > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > ? > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > ? > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sat Dec 13 12:58:42 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sat Dec 13 13:01:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes Message-ID: <20081213.155842.21712.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Hello Joey: Is this Aaron Heverin's site? You can tell that someone has put a lot of time and effort into these quality AMI F & G restorations. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Free information on becoming a Graphic Designer. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdIbklThDCbdSEwAXNipWbhVWxU5DLcJ0TfMmylAhUdS1f4/ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Dec 13 14:12:43 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 13 14:24:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] '48 AMI on Craigslist- St. Louis $595 Message-ID: <8CB2B870E8484D4-FC-A48@WEBMAIL-DF13.sysops.aol.com> Hey, All- I was first one to chime in on this one (he listed it as a '55) and it's mine, although I am thinking about letting it go as I'd be in over my head what with the drive across Missouri and whatnot. Does anyone want the referral before I tell the guy "thanks anyway"? E-mail me off-list- j From joe400f at shaw.ca Sat Dec 13 15:29:28 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sat Dec 13 15:30:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes References: <20081213.155842.21712.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001601c95d7a$a4d0cb30$939f4f18@compaq> Sure is. I own the red F120 and the coral F120 as well. Well, not those exact jukes but, ones done by him exactly the same. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes Hello Joey: Is this Aaron Heverin's site? You can tell that someone has put a lot of time and effort into these quality AMI F & G restorations. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Free information on becoming a Graphic Designer. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdIbklThDCbdSEwAXNipWbhVWxU5DLcJ0TfMmylAhUdS1f4/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 16:45:59 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Sat Dec 13 16:47:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 2510 for sale Message-ID: I have recently put up for sale a Wurlitzer 2510 (mono) in the central Texas area. Extra clean inside and is a very presentable and restorable machine. It selects and loads proper record, but has no sound. I do not know if it is the cartridge or the amp (of course due to its age, the amp NEEDS to be rebuilt). I am unable to ship, but can hold machine for pickup via NAVL or equivalent. If anyone on the list is interested, I'll give a $50 discount off the advertised price (just mention the jukebox mailing list). Here is a link to my ad... http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/for/956499728.html I'll be happy to send photos of any area of the jukebox to those interested. Thanks, Thomas Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From medina115 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 13 18:11:29 2008 From: medina115 at hotmail.com (Mike Medina) Date: Sat Dec 13 18:12:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100A Mech Pick-Up/Reject Question Message-ID: Hello again, I'm hoping you all can point me in the right direction yet again. I am having the pick-up-reject-pick-up-again problem with my jukebox, but the mechanism stays on the same record and alternates between the A and the B side. I've read that years of deferred maintenance/lubrication can lead to the safety plunger reject scenario but I'm not sure I really know if it's working properly or not, so I'm reticent to try other adjustments until I know that it's correct (I've cleaned the mech extensively, short of removing it entirely, so gummed-up parts should not be much of a problem). Is this indeed a symptom of the safety plunger or do I need to look elsewhere? Thanks again! _________________________________________________________________ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 20:29:55 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Dec 13 20:30:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100A Mech Pick-Up/Reject Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <139576.41286.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Mike Medina wrote: > I am having the pick-up-reject-pick-up-again > problem with my jukebox, but the mechanism stays on the same > record and alternates between the A and the B side. So are you saying that the mechanism scans to the first selection, and loads and unloads it continuously until you stop it? Does it play the record, or just reject it? Your description is a little vague. > so I'm reticent to try other adjustments Mechanical adjustments are a last resort. Usually, once the mechanism is set up it's good "forever". If mechanical adjustments are required (say, due to the "repairs" made by a ham-fisted former owner) its best to go through the set-up-from-scratch procedure outlined in the manual. From donshawnmyself at aol.com Sun Dec 14 08:09:46 2008 From: donshawnmyself at aol.com (donshawnmyself@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 14 08:17:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] '48 AMI on Craigslist- St. Louis $595 In-Reply-To: <8CB2B870E8484D4-FC-A48@WEBMAIL-DF13.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB2B870E8484D4-FC-A48@WEBMAIL-DF13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB2C1D84B4E0B6-F50-1F29@webmail-de19.sysops.aol.com> Have you aleady committed this juke to soeone? Thanks Don -----Original Message----- From: jhayes2613@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 4:12 pm Subject: [Jukebox-list] '48 AMI on Craigslist- St. Louis $595 Hey, All- I was first one to chime in on this one (he listed it as a '55) and it's mine, although I am thinking about letting it go as I'd be in over my head what with the drive across Missouri and whatnot. Does anyone want the referral before I tell the guy "thanks anyway"? E-mail me off-list- j _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Sun Dec 14 09:00:32 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Dec 14 09:01:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100A Mech Pick-Up/Reject Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49453BB0.8040409@telus.net> Mike Medina wrote: > Hello again, > > I'm hoping you all can point me in the right direction yet again. I am having the pick-up-reject-pick-up-again problem with my jukebox, but the mechanism stays on the same record and alternates between the A and the B side. I've read that years of deferred maintenance/lubrication can lead to the safety plunger reject scenario but I'm not sure I really know if it's working properly or not, so I'm reticent to try other adjustments until I know that it's correct (I've cleaned the mech extensively, short of removing it entirely, so gummed-up parts should not be much of a problem). Is this indeed a symptom of the safety plunger or do I need to look elsewhere? > > Thanks again! Is the side selection pin cancelled when the tone arm comes onto the record? If not, then that might be your problem. Check the switches on the lever arm just behind the tone arm pivot for correct adjustment and clean contacts. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 09:13:49 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 14 09:17:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100A Mech Pick-Up/Reject Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <104089.4316.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mike, It is my GUESS, that the problem is electrical, not mechanical---is the trip solenoid being re-energized after the record side "is rejected"?? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Mike Medina wrote: From: Mike Medina Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100A Mech Pick-Up/Reject Question To: "Jukebox List" Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 6:11 PM Hello again, I'm hoping you all can point me in the right direction yet again. I am having the pick-up-reject-pick-up-again problem with my jukebox, but the mechanism stays on the same record and alternates between the A and the B side. I've read that years of deferred maintenance/lubrication can lead to the safety plunger reject scenario but I'm not sure I really know if it's working properly or not, so I'm reticent to try other adjustments until I know that it's correct (I've cleaned the mech extensively, short of removing it entirely, so gummed-up parts should not be much of a problem). Is this indeed a symptom of the safety plunger or do I need to look elsewhere? Thanks again! _________________________________________________________________ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From medina115 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 14 12:41:01 2008 From: medina115 at hotmail.com (Mike Medina) Date: Sun Dec 14 12:42:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100A Mech Pick-Up/Reject Question Message-ID: >So are you saying that the mechanism scans to the first >selection, and loads and unloads it continuously until>you stop it? Does it play the record, or just reject it?That's exactly the problem. It loads the record, the arm moves into position and actually plays the lead-in groove for a fraction of a second, and then rejects and the record put back into the magazine. The same record gets picked up again and it tries to play side B with the same results. I can only stop it by turning it off. I will check the switches and the solenoid and report back. Thanks again! _________________________________________________________________ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ From bobfav at cox.net Sun Dec 14 13:19:27 2008 From: bobfav at cox.net (Bob Fav) Date: Sun Dec 14 13:16:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock Ola Liquor cabinet - make any offer In-Reply-To: <20081214200002.E6BF1AA95E@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Hi Ladies and Gentlemen I have a Rock-ola liquor cabinet in pretty good original shape. No glasssware but all the internal woodwork is there. I paid over $100 for it about 10 years ago. Make me a reasonable offer and it is yours. I am located in Rhode Island. I will help with shipping as long as you make the arrangements and it is not too time consuming. Bobfav@cox.net Merry Christmas From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 13:31:42 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 14 13:35:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100A Mech Pick-Up/Reject Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <449521.86751.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The sensor on the SA unit frog is not passing the "pulled pin" --See "contact block alignment adjustment" on page 63 of the Service Manual. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/14/08, Mike Medina wrote: From: Mike Medina Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100A Mech Pick-Up/Reject Question To: "Jukebox List" Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 12:41 PM >So are you saying that the mechanism scans to the first >selection, and loads and unloads it continuously until>you stop it? Does it play the record, or just reject it?That's exactly the problem. It loads the record, the arm moves into position and actually plays the lead-in groove for a fraction of a second, and then rejects and the record put back into the magazine. The same record gets picked up again and it tries to play side B with the same results. I can only stop it by turning it off. I will check the switches and the solenoid and report back. Thanks again! _________________________________________________________________ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gibson510 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 15 03:52:59 2008 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Mon Dec 15 03:54:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Prestige 160E Message-ID: Looking for a right side glass for a 160E I just aquired. It has the fuscia / blue color scheme. Anyone have a parts machine out there? I did some research but there doesn't seem to be much info available about this machine, or not much on NSM in general? Rick _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From jhayes2613 at aol.com Mon Dec 15 04:52:11 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Mon Dec 15 04:58:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New parts Message-ID: <8CB2CCB1504014A-BC-1FBF@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com> Where's the best place to get a new idler wheel, retaining ring, and some grommets for my '79 Rowe? Does John Durfee stock these? Thanks- j From jeremy at dwave.net Mon Dec 15 05:25:50 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Mon Dec 15 05:27:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Prestige 160E In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081215131933.M14697@dwave.net> Durfee shows he has 5 Prestige e160 jukes for parts. You are correct Rick on the lack of info out there. I have had some luck in checking on the other side of the pond for info but I have not purchased any parts from overseas. It also helped me out to get all the NSM official paperwork I could find for my model (satellite 200). It took me a while to gather but I think I have it all. For my model there is a large schematic sheet, program info, setup info, parts listing, accessory mike board sheet, and sales brochures. Good luck Jeremy Agema On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:52:59 -0500, rick murray wrote > Looking for a right side glass for a 160E I just aquired. It has the > fuscia / blue color scheme. Anyone have a parts machine out there? > > I did some research but there doesn't seem to be much info available > about this machine, or not much on NSM in general? > > Rick > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008___________________________________ ____________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Mon Dec 15 06:39:01 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Mon Dec 15 06:40:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Prestige 160E In-Reply-To: <20081215131933.M14697@dwave.net> Message-ID: <332720.95171.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It seems to me that getting parts is a heck of a task. Also info (schematics [descent ones]) are about as hard. I did have an NSM festival ( what a nightmare) The amp and computer control share parts. So trying to repair it was an utter nightmare as well as trying to decode the schematic. I had to virtually get out my "super spy scope decoder ring" that I got in a box of cereral when I was a kid to try and make head and tails out of what I was reading and even then alot of the part (electronic parts) just said it was a capacitor but no value.. ever tried to figure out what a capacitor was when it looks like a burn hunk of toast? Needless to say unless I have one that 90% works I just steer clear of them. Don't get me wrong .. I am not saying they are a bad machine.. its just too much work to service them and also get info and parts. The sound is quite good and when they run they are quite reliable. ? Tony? --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Jeremy Agema wrote: From: Jeremy Agema Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Prestige 160E To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:25 AM Durfee shows he has 5 Prestige e160 jukes for parts. You are correct Rick on the lack of info out there. I have had some luck in checking on the other side of the pond for info but I have not purchased any parts from overseas. It also helped me out to get all the NSM official paperwork I could find for my model (satellite 200). It took me a while to gather but I think I have it all. For my model there is a large schematic sheet, program info, setup info, parts listing, accessory mike board sheet, and sales brochures. Good luck Jeremy Agema On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:52:59 -0500, rick murray wrote > Looking for a right side glass for a 160E I just aquired. It has the > fuscia / blue color scheme. Anyone have a parts machine out there? > > I did some research but there doesn't seem to be much info available > about this machine, or not much on NSM in general? > > Rick > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008___________________________________ ____________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Mon Dec 15 06:54:46 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Mon Dec 15 06:55:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fantastic Find In-Reply-To: <8CB2CCB1504014A-BC-1FBF@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <846518.76738.qm@web111507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone The wife just bought me a 1955 AMI Model G-200 Jukebox for Xmas. Pretty nice machine! However it was the drive from hel hell to get it as I live in Canada (land of snow and ice in the winter) But it was like freezing rain , rain and slush yesterday and a 4+ hour drive to get it. Yes it actually works?to?some degree.?I have always had a soft spot for all AMI's but more so for the model "G" for its wonderful deep bass sound... ok correct that for its sound period. The guys that were in the design dept at the time must have had their thinking caps on when they made it. To work on it is a pleasure! Up her we call the series from the first boxy type AMI to the G (which is the last boxy type) "The fish tank" I can't help but think that Paul Klipsh had his hand in on designing the accuostic labrynith in?AMI's?model?G jukebox. In any case I am looking for a few pieces for the machine. I need one of the plastic title holders, the piece of glass that goes in front of it with the selections C1 to C20 on it and D1 to D20 on it. I also need the piece of plastic that sits in front of the turntable (you can see it through the front glass) thats says "AMI 200 Milti-Horn High Fidelity" Its a fairly long strip. If anyone could help me out it would be very muchly appreciated. ? Thanks Tony __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca From chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Mon Dec 15 07:03:46 2008 From: chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk (Chris K. Tanner) Date: Mon Dec 15 07:15:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Prestige 160E References: <332720.95171.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A90899C311A4E45979F12300D1D485C@acerc2d0f03b5f> Don't know if this will be of help to you guys over the pond but NSM jukeboxes are quite popular in the UK. A friend of mine is a specialist in NSM repairs and he buys NSM's off ebay, repairs them and sells them on. He has good contacts within the electronics repair and spares business. He may be able to help you all. Contact him , Riki, on 07770 724 306 email; rikig@tiscali.co.uk. Mention you were referred by Chris (Brotton) Good luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Prestige 160E It seems to me that getting parts is a heck of a task. Also info (schematics [descent ones]) are about as hard. I did have an NSM festival ( what a nightmare) The amp and computer control share parts. So trying to repair it was an utter nightmare as well as trying to decode the schematic. I had to virtually get out my "super spy scope decoder ring" that I got in a box of cereral when I was a kid to try and make head and tails out of what I was reading and even then alot of the part (electronic parts) just said it was a capacitor but no value.. ever tried to figure out what a capacitor was when it looks like a burn hunk of toast? Needless to say unless I have one that 90% works I just steer clear of them. Don't get me wrong .. I am not saying they are a bad machine.. its just too much work to service them and also get info and parts. The sound is quite good and when they run they are quite reliable. Tony --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Jeremy Agema wrote: From: Jeremy Agema Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Prestige 160E To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:25 AM Durfee shows he has 5 Prestige e160 jukes for parts. You are correct Rick on the lack of info out there. I have had some luck in checking on the other side of the pond for info but I have not purchased any parts from overseas. It also helped me out to get all the NSM official paperwork I could find for my model (satellite 200). It took me a while to gather but I think I have it all. For my model there is a large schematic sheet, program info, setup info, parts listing, accessory mike board sheet, and sales brochures. Good luck Jeremy Agema On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:52:59 -0500, rick murray wrote > Looking for a right side glass for a 160E I just aquired. It has the > fuscia / blue color scheme. Anyone have a parts machine out there? > > I did some research but there doesn't seem to be much info available > about this machine, or not much on NSM in general? > > Rick > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008___________________________________ ____________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1849 - Release Date: 12/15/2008 9:01 AM From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 07:15:02 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Dec 15 07:16:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fantastic Find In-Reply-To: <846518.76738.qm@web111507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <132398.88569.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > The wife just bought me a 1955 AMI Model G-200 Jukebox for > Xmas. Pretty nice machine! Welcome to the club! You'll love it. > I have always had a soft spot for > all AMI's but more so for the model "G" for > its wonderful deep bass sound... ok correct that for its > sound period. No, it just plain sounds good, for any time period. You should hear Pink Floy's "Welcome to the Machine/Wish You were Here" on mine. :-) > I also need the piece of plastic that sits in > front of the turntable (you can see it through the front > glass) thats says "AMI 200 Milti-Horn High > Fidelity" Its a fairly long strip. It's actually stamped aluminum. From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Dec 15 08:00:53 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Mon Dec 15 07:57:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes Message-ID: <200812151100967.SM05056@[192.168.1.206]> Don't mind at all! Thanks, Joey. Always happy to have the good word about the AMI F and G spread around. Ahem....in my humble opinion, they are the greatest jukebox ever made! ;-) Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Joey McDonald joe400f@shaw.ca Sent 12/12/2008 9:21:54 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes Speaking of under rated jukes. Check out this link on how an AMI F and G will and should look. I hope Aaron does not mind. This is his site. http://www.buffalohistoryworks.com/ami/index.html Joey McDonald _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Dec 15 08:15:33 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Mon Dec 15 08:11:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes Message-ID: <20081215111592.SM04916@[192.168.1.206]> Joey, It's very timely that you should bring up these pictures. I was going through the images hard drive on my computer over the weekend and I found many more pictures of the Fs and Gs I've restored. I should post them on that same site if for no other reason than to update the pictures since I have done many more. But I also came across the video I shot of your jukebox when it was in my shop. Would you have any objection to my posting that as well? It's really a cool video and shows more detail of the mech and general operation. I think for anyone working on an F, this would be a big help. Thanks for the compliments, guys. I only wish I had more time to work on jukes. Once I got the "real" job four years ago that pays the bills, all of my jukebox work came to a grinding halt. I'm still getting phone calls and emails for restoration and repair work, but sadly I have to turn almost all of it away. Family has to come first. Oh...and yes, Rich. The pictures of the Atoll Coral F were taken with my camcorder's digital camera option. Not very good quality at all. I'll update those Coral pictures since I found a bunch more. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Joey McDonald joe400f@shaw.ca Sent 12/13/2008 6:29:28 PM To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes Sure is. I own the red F120 and the coral F120 as well. Well, not those exact jukes but, ones done by him exactly the same. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" jalexandercc@netzero.net To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes Hello Joey: Is this Aaron Heverin's site? You can tell that someone has put a lot of time and effort into these quality AMI F & G restorations. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Free information on becoming a Graphic Designer. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdIbklThDCbdSEwAXNipWbhVWxU5DLcJ0TfMmylAhUdS1f4/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Dec 15 08:31:25 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Dec 15 08:33:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Prestige 160E Message-ID: <20081215.113125.17081.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: NSM has apparently undergone a business reorganization in 2005 and is now called NSM Music. The company HQ is in England. Their US office is: NSM Music 1275 Hamilton Pkwy Itasca IL 60143 PH 630 285 9911 web: www.nsmmusic.com Their current business is about promoting their on-line jukeboxes. Depending upon who answers the phone, you might get some guidance where to pursue parts, service help, etc for vinyl and CD jukes. NSM vinyl jukeboxes were rather prevalent in the UK in the 80's. If you contact any of several UK-based jukebox repair services that sell on line, parts and service support seems to be there. Two names I have are "the jukebox man" and "jukebox services". You'll need to Google them to get their web addresses. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdIbjzUrecdnFmJsgZHFvzxcsbNIcr3H2VVgx6BJEJsa8yy/ From johntrav at suddenlink.net Mon Dec 15 09:30:59 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Mon Dec 15 09:32:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Prestige 160E References: <20081215.113125.17081.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: When NSM's reorganization was ongoing, they were negotiating with Happ Controls to assemble the machines in Ohio. This never came to fruition, but Happ has a long list of NSM parts with NSM numbers online at www.happcontrols.com. If you search "NSM jukebox parts", several catagories appear. #7 has the list. I don't know if they actually have these parts in stock, but it might be worth a look. John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Prestige 160E Gentlemen: NSM has apparently undergone a business reorganization in 2005 and is now called NSM Music. The company HQ is in England. Their US office is: NSM Music 1275 Hamilton Pkwy Itasca IL 60143 PH 630 285 9911 web: www.nsmmusic.com Their current business is about promoting their on-line jukeboxes. Depending upon who answers the phone, you might get some guidance where to pursue parts, service help, etc for vinyl and CD jukes. NSM vinyl jukeboxes were rather prevalent in the UK in the 80's. If you contact any of several UK-based jukebox repair services that sell on line, parts and service support seems to be there. Two names I have are "the jukebox man" and "jukebox services". You'll need to Google them to get their web addresses. Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdIbjzUrecdnFmJsgZHFvzxcsbNIcr3H2VVgx6BJEJsa8yy/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Mon Dec 15 11:00:18 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Mon Dec 15 11:02:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Prestige 160E Message-ID: <20081215.140018.8726.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Hello John: I used the Suzo-Happ (formerly Happ Controls) Distr. Co. to look for NSM parts recently. They have a lot of parts stock for NSM CD-era jukes, but not much in the way of vinyl. In doing a little websurfing, this is how I found that NSM vinyl parts are somewhat plentiful in England. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here for proven Credit Repair programs. Increase your score today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9KJQ6oWSmqK0kzhbN4n4poCAw8JVqErSvatnk5nzGo0RB06/ From digital.john at btopenworld.com Mon Dec 15 11:18:09 2008 From: digital.john at btopenworld.com (digital.john@btopenworld.com) Date: Mon Dec 15 11:25:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 429 or 434 Message-ID: <355036.98625.qm@web86603.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hello I| have a Rock-Ola 434 Concerto with the top speaker box that the top speakers are mounted in missing and wondered if anyone had one off a 434 or 429 as I think either will fit. Thanks. John From pinball at telus.net Mon Dec 15 12:33:55 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Dec 15 12:35:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Prestige 160E In-Reply-To: <20081215.140018.8726.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081215.140018.8726.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4946BF33.8000706@telus.net> James Alexander wrote: > > Hello John: > I used the Suzo-Happ (formerly Happ Controls) Distr. Co. to look for NSM parts recently. They have a lot of parts stock for NSM CD-era jukes, but not much in the way of vinyl. In doing a little websurfing, this is how I found that NSM vinyl parts are somewhat plentiful in England. > Jim Alexander > > I have a quantity of NOS NSM and Wurlitzer (both USA and Deutsche Wurlitzer) 45RPM parts up to around 1981. This is from a distributor that liquidated in 1982 and put everything into storage...the Time Travel Warehouse story on my web site: http://www.flippers.com/TimeTravelWarehouse.html John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 15 12:38:14 2008 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Mon Dec 15 12:39:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes Message-ID: <487989.74586.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I gotta chime in here. Aaron did my '39 Luxury Lightup prior to his 'retiring' to a real job. I have to sing the praises of his work. The machine was literally brought back from the dead to it's beautiful A-1 concourse condition. The pix of his F & G bear out his careful attention to detail. So Aaron, do you still have that little video you took of my Lightup? I'm talking about the one where you throw an Indian-head nickle into the slot. Man, I'd love to see that one again. It'd make my Christmas! All the best, Bob - Chicago Aaron sez: >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:15:33 GMT >From: "Aaron Heverin" >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes >To: "Jukebox mailing list" >Message-ID: <20081215111592.SM04916@[192.168.1.206]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Joey, >It's very timely that you should bring up these pictures. I was going through the images hard drive on my computer over the weekend and I found many >more pictures of the Fs and Gs I've restored. I should post them on that same site if for no other reason than to update the pictures since I have done >many more. But I also came across the video I shot of your jukebox when it was in my shop. Would you have any objection to my posting that as >.well? It's really a cool video and shows more detail of the mech and general operation. I think for anyone working on an F, this would be a big help. > >Thanks for the compliments, guys. I only wish I had more time to work on jukes. Once I got the "real" job four years ago that pays the bills, all of my >jukebox work came to a grinding halt. I'm still getting phone calls and emails for restoration and repair work, but sadly I have to turn almost all of it >away. Family has to come first. > >Oh...and yes, Rich. The pictures of the Atoll Coral F were taken with my camcorder's digital camera option. Not very good quality at all. I'll update >those Coral pictures since I found a bunch more. . >Aaron From aaron at vertasource.com Mon Dec 15 13:39:01 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Mon Dec 15 13:35:47 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes Message-ID: <200812151639201.SM04636@[192.168.1.206]> I'm blushing, Bob. I'm pretty sure I have that video as well. I'll make every attempt to pull it out this evening and post it somewhere. Thanks again for the compliments. It really feels good to know that the work is appreciated. While I'm at it, I'd like to stop for a second and thank EVERYONE on this list for all the help you all provide. The pictures may show how great a jukebox looks when the restoration is finished, but it's the advice that comes during the course of the restorations that really make everything come together. I will never claim to be an expert at ANYTHING I do. I know first hand where I've had to ask the help of Ron, Jay, Jim...and even Wes (just to name a few) in order to complete a restoration. Regardless of who responds to a cry for help, I think I speak for everyone on the list when I say THANK YOU! Without your generosity, we'd all own really nice liquor cabinets. Aaron From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 14:27:14 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 15 14:42:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes In-Reply-To: <200812151639201.SM04636@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <453193.90610.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Aaron, Always glad to be of help--perhaps you can now help me ?? I'd love to be able to contact Wes---Hope he's happy "up there", and hope the rest of us will remember him !--Merry Christmas and/or whatever holiday you wish to?celebrate, to all--and a great New Year ! Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Aaron Heverin wrote: From: Aaron Heverin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 1:39 PM I'm blushing, Bob. I'm pretty sure I have that video as well. I'll make every attempt to pull it out this evening and post it somewhere. Thanks again for the compliments. It really feels good to know that the work is appreciated. While I'm at it, I'd like to stop for a second and thank EVERYONE on this list for all the help you all provide. The pictures may show how great a jukebox looks when the restoration is finished, but it's the advice that comes during the course of the restorations that really make everything come together. I will never claim to be an expert at ANYTHING I do. I know first hand where I've had to ask the help of Ron, Jay, Jim...and even Wes (just to name a few) in order to complete a restoration. Regardless of who responds to a cry for help, I think I speak for everyone on the list when I say THANK YOU! Without your generosity, we'd all own really nice liquor cabinets. Aaron _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jhayes2613 at aol.com Tue Dec 16 08:11:57 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 16 08:19:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Finding this part CAN'T be this difficult... Message-ID: <8CB2DB027992D9E-B34-1B9@WEBMAIL-DG03.sim.aol.com> Looking for an idler wheel for my '79 Rowe. Durfee, Victory Glass, Bruce Wentworth, the place with the weird hyphenated name in Illinois that I can't remember... nothing! Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks- John Hayes From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 08:26:29 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 16 08:27:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Finding this part CAN'T be this difficult... In-Reply-To: <8CB2DB027992D9E-B34-1B9@WEBMAIL-DG03.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <623392.68802.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Did you try Roy Dean? see CC above --or Ed Crockett?? 601-264-4755 M-F 8-5 CST ONLY!! Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/16/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: From: jhayes2613@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Finding this part CAN'T be this difficult... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 8:11 AM Looking for an idler wheel for my '79 Rowe. Durfee, Victory Glass, Bruce Wentworth, the place with the weird hyphenated name in Illinois that I can't remember... nothing! Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks- John Hayes _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Tue Dec 16 08:22:50 2008 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Tue Dec 16 08:38:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Finding this part CAN'T be this difficult... In-Reply-To: <8CB2DB027992D9E-B34-1B9@WEBMAIL-DG03.sim.aol.com> References: <8CB2DB027992D9E-B34-1B9@WEBMAIL-DG03.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: I've always found Bill Butterfield to be very helpful and reasonable with his prices. Try him here: http://www.jukebox-parts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of jhayes2613@aol.com Sent: 2008, December, 16 11:12 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Finding this part CAN'T be this difficult... Looking for an idler wheel for my '79 Rowe. Durfee, Victory Glass, Bruce Wentworth, the place with the weird hyphenated name in Illinois that I can't remember... nothing! Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks- John Hayes _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 16 08:44:14 2008 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Tue Dec 16 08:45:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Bargain O' the Day, perhaps... Message-ID: <600291.61930.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I found this while snooping around the Wisconsin Craiglists. Well.... it's under $500!!!! *** JUKEBOX *** ( Full Size-Floor Model) *** CD100A ROWE AMI JUKEBOX *** Original URL:http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/for/959530981.html And now for something totally off topic, completely different but amusing nonetheless: LOST: Time Machine Original URL:http://wausau.craigslist.org/wan/959604403.html All the best, Bob - Chicago From pinball at telus.net Tue Dec 16 10:04:24 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Dec 16 10:05:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Finding this part CAN'T be this difficult... In-Reply-To: <8CB2DB027992D9E-B34-1B9@WEBMAIL-DG03.sim.aol.com> References: <8CB2DB027992D9E-B34-1B9@WEBMAIL-DG03.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <4947EDA8.4070309@telus.net> jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Looking for an idler wheel for my '79 Rowe. Durfee, Victory Glass, Bruce Wentworth, the place with the weird hyphenated name in Illinois that I can't remember... nothing! Can anyone point me in the right direction? > Thanks- > John Hayes > If you have the original wheel, then try this - remove the old rubber tire and replace it with the similar sized O-Ring! Should work a treat (as long as it is not a step up/down idler such as Wurlitzer used for the 1200-1600 series). John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu Tue Dec 16 12:16:44 2008 From: Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu (Tyler, Ronald) Date: Tue Dec 16 12:32:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Finding this part CAN'T be this difficult... References: <8CB2DB027992D9E-B34-1B9@WEBMAIL-DG03.sim.aol.com> <4947EDA8.4070309@telus.net> Message-ID: Try Roy at Jukebox Junkyard. ________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of John Robertson Sent: Tue 12/16/2008 10:04 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Finding this part CAN'T be this difficult... jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Looking for an idler wheel for my '79 Rowe. Durfee, Victory Glass, Bruce Wentworth, the place with the weird hyphenated name in Illinois that I can't remember... nothing! Can anyone point me in the right direction? > Thanks- > John Hayes > If you have the original wheel, then try this - remove the old rubber tire and replace it with the similar sized O-Ring! Should work a treat (as long as it is not a step up/down idler such as Wurlitzer used for the 1200-1600 series). John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From johntrav at suddenlink.net Tue Dec 16 14:41:20 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Tue Dec 16 14:42:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Finding this part CAN'T be this difficult... References: <8CB2DB027992D9E-B34-1B9@WEBMAIL-DG03.sim.aol.com><4947EDA8.4070309@telus.net> Message-ID: If the weird place in Illinois is Suzo-Happ, they list a "wheel & tire", Rowe part # 4081652 @ $5.80 under jukebox parts. Is this what you're looking for? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler, Ronald" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:16 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Finding this part CAN'T be this difficult... Try Roy at Jukebox Junkyard. ________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of John Robertson Sent: Tue 12/16/2008 10:04 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Finding this part CAN'T be this difficult... jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Looking for an idler wheel for my '79 Rowe. Durfee, Victory Glass, Bruce > Wentworth, the place with the weird hyphenated name in Illinois that I > can't remember... nothing! Can anyone point me in the right direction? > Thanks- > John Hayes > If you have the original wheel, then try this - remove the old rubber tire and replace it with the similar sized O-Ring! Should work a treat (as long as it is not a step up/down idler such as Wurlitzer used for the 1200-1600 series). John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ccos at knology.net Tue Dec 16 15:04:19 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Tue Dec 16 15:05:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Finding this part CAN'T be this difficult... References: <8CB2DB027992D9E-B34-1B9@WEBMAIL-DG03.sim.aol.com> <4947EDA8.4070309@telus.net> Message-ID: Would one from an R-74 work? If so, I have one. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Finding this part CAN'T be this difficult... > jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: >> Looking for an idler wheel for my '79 Rowe. Durfee, Victory Glass, Bruce >> Wentworth, the place with the weird hyphenated name in Illinois that I >> can't remember... nothing! Can anyone point me in the right direction? >> Thanks- >> John Hayes >> > If you have the original wheel, then try this - remove the old rubber tire > and replace it with the similar sized O-Ring! > > Should work a treat (as long as it is not a step up/down idler such as > Wurlitzer used for the 1200-1600 series). > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call > (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Tue Dec 16 15:41:59 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Tue Dec 16 15:44:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Finding this part CAN'T be this difficult... Message-ID: <20081216.184159.27152.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: Maybe these contacts could be of help: If you have the original idler wheel, Vintage Electronics uses a re vulcanizing process to install fresh rubber on your wheel foundation. They have some popular phono idler wheels on hand for resale. Vintage Electronics , contact Ed Crockett. PH 601 264 4755 Hattiesburg, MS. email: info@vintageelectronics.com web: www.vintageelectronics.com In the Atlanta GA area, Greater Southern Distributing has been the commercial Rowe-AMI area distributor for a long time. Maybe they have some vinyl machine parts still in stock. They have a limited setup to shop for parts on-line. It's best to phone them. Greater Southern Distr. Smyrna, GA PH 770 803 3040 web: www.greatersouthern.com Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Want more out of life? Click here to find a massage therapy school and begin an exciting career. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8RbU5D2P47XNI2J4JDozo7XEyX1z2E8aCsdeWOTJgEDOfy2/ From joe400f at shaw.ca Tue Dec 16 16:29:51 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Tue Dec 16 16:31:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes References: <20081215111592.SM04916@[192.168.1.206]> Message-ID: <003101c95fde$93be23e0$939f4f18@compaq> Go ahead and post the pictures and video. Can you also forward these to me directly? Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Heverin" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes Joey, It's very timely that you should bring up these pictures. I was going through the images hard drive on my computer over the weekend and I found many more pictures of the Fs and Gs I've restored. I should post them on that same site if for no other reason than to update the pictures since I have done many more. But I also came across the video I shot of your jukebox when it was in my shop. Would you have any objection to my posting that as well? It's really a cool video and shows more detail of the mech and general operation. I think for anyone working on an F, this would be a big help. Thanks for the compliments, guys. I only wish I had more time to work on jukes. Once I got the "real" job four years ago that pays the bills, all of my jukebox work came to a grinding halt. I'm still getting phone calls and emails for restoration and repair work, but sadly I have to turn almost all of it away. Family has to come first. Oh...and yes, Rich. The pictures of the Atoll Coral F were taken with my camcorder's digital camera option. Not very good quality at all. I'll update those Coral pictures since I found a bunch more. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Joey McDonald joe400f@shaw.ca Sent 12/13/2008 6:29:28 PM To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes Sure is. I own the red F120 and the coral F120 as well. Well, not those exact jukes but, ones done by him exactly the same. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" jalexandercc@netzero.net To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Under rated Jukeboxes Hello Joey: Is this Aaron Heverin's site? You can tell that someone has put a lot of time and effort into these quality AMI F & G restorations. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Free information on becoming a Graphic Designer. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAdIbklThDCbdSEwAXNipWbhVWxU5DLcJ0TfMmylAhUdS1f4/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 09:38:30 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 17 09:39:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RoweAMi R-85 amp ??? Message-ID: <911494.90427.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Does anyone happen to have any info on a RoweAMi R-85 phono, fitted with a 125 "Round plugs" amp? ?I need both the amp end and the phono wiring, as apparently this phono had some other type amp?in it at one time, and someone made "Mods" ?? TIA, Ron Rich From johntrav at suddenlink.net Wed Dec 17 11:35:38 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Wed Dec 17 11:36:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RoweAMi R-85 amp ??? References: <911494.90427.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, I have a R-85 manual and a R-84 on the floor right now and I've done several conversions putting this amp into older Rowe's What exactly do you need? Do you have the correct flat plugs, jumper plug, terminals, etc? John Travelletti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:38 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] RoweAMi R-85 amp ??? Hi All, Does anyone happen to have any info on a RoweAMi R-85 phono, fitted with a 125 "Round plugs" amp? I need both the amp end and the phono wiring, as apparently this phono had some other type amp in it at one time, and someone made "Mods" ? TIA, Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From joe400f at shaw.ca Wed Dec 17 17:16:39 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Wed Dec 17 17:17:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins Message-ID: <001001c960ae$478563f0$939f4f18@compaq> I am looking for some AMI service bulletins. Specifically # 121 , 129 , 130. Also bulletins older than # 114. I tried Victory Glass and they say they do not have them. Do other jukebox manufacturers like Seeburg, Rockola, Wurlitzer have service bulletins? They must have, but I have not been able to find any. Manufacturer service bulletins are a great addition to having service manuals. If they are like the ones General Motors issues, they also include service manual corrections and additions. Joey McDonald From pinball at telus.net Wed Dec 17 17:34:31 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Dec 17 17:35:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins In-Reply-To: <001001c960ae$478563f0$939f4f18@compaq> References: <001001c960ae$478563f0$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: <4949A8A7.5040907@telus.net> Joey McDonald wrote: > I am looking for some AMI service bulletins. Specifically # 121 , 129 , 130. > Also bulletins older than # 114. > > I tried Victory Glass and they say they do not have them. > > Do other jukebox manufacturers like Seeburg, Rockola, Wurlitzer have service bulletins? > They must have, but I have not been able to find any. > > Manufacturer service bulletins are a great addition to having service manuals. > If they are like the ones General Motors issues, they also include service manual corrections > and additions. > > Joey McDonald I have a large collection of service bulletins for Seeburg (Engineering Bulletins) that eventually I will get around to scanning, but there are a few hundred pages... I also have a collection of AMI bulletins that I shared with AMR back in the 80s and they are were added to all the manuals that Victory Glass now sells. Again, a large stack that scanning would be nice, but I do not have a double sided scanner! If someone lives near my shop they could scan them here if they want to sit in front of a computer for a few days... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From drjukebox at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 18:10:28 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Wed Dec 17 18:11:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins In-Reply-To: <001001c960ae$478563f0$939f4f18@compaq> References: <001001c960ae$478563f0$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: <3154d3690812171810u7c0425e9vede02ce281cdea94@mail.gmail.com> I've posted this INDEX before on the list and you can find it with a web search, but here it is again. AMI Service Bulletins 114-190 cover the G200-Continental 2 jukeboxes. Number 121, 129 and 130 were omitted, so they don't exist. Seeburg and Wurlitzer also made service bulletins. Don't know about Rockola. A web search indicate the AMI bulletins are reprinted and offered by Jukebox USA and The Jukebox Man in the UK. #114: Light Diffuser September 23, 1955 #115: G.E. Cartridge Modification November 11, 1955 #116: Repair of Cabinet Finishes February 14, 1956 #117: H-1937 Touch-up Kit for Brushing April 3, 1956 #118: Credit Unit Reset Magnets April 10, 1956 #119: Pulse Converter Change April 19, 1956 #120: Change of Crediting April 20, 1956 #121: Omitted #122: Belt Tension June 6, 1956 #123: Additional Fuse June 26, 1956 #124: H-1968 Conversion Kit for Madifying the AMI G-200 Phonograph to Operate with Seeburg Wallboxes June 26, 1956 #125: H-1967 Dual Credit Conversion Kit for Modifying the Standard G-200 Phonograph to Provide both 10c and 15c Price-Per-Play June 26, 1956 #126: Anti-Cheat Devices for the G-200 July 5, 1956 #127: F-3755 Variable Reluctance Cartridge July 5, 1956 #128: H-486 Volume Compressor and F-2966 Adaptor Kit August 2, 1956 #129: Omitted #130: Omitted #131: F-2951 Seeburg Conversion Instructions August 28, 1956 #132: Dual Credit Unit August 28, 1956 #133: L-1271 Cash Box October 2, 1956 #134: R-145 Amplifier and H-486 Automatic Volume Control November 20, 1956 #135: F-2974 Revision Kit for R-1110 Pulse Converter January 4, 1957 #136: Exchange of R-1110 Pulse Converter January 8, 1957 #137: Conversion of 4-Coin Rejector April 8, 1957 #138: The Pusher Assembly on JCH-100 Phonographs April 10, 1957 #139: Model "H" Amplifier Removal April 11, 1957 #140: Model "H" Price per Play Combinations and Price per Play Cards April 18, 1957 #141: Special Credit Adjustments - model "H" April 19, 1957 #142: Model "H" Title Rack April 18, 1957 #143: Conversion Kit - 3 to 4-Coin Operation (H-120) April 19, 1957 #144: Dual Price of Play Conversion Kits for H-120 and H-200 Phonographs April 19, 1957 #145: Z-452 Burnishing Tool May 6, 1957 #146: Instructions for Providing Prices of Play - Chart R-1918 May 14, 1957 #147: F-3912 "Wait" Control Unit Kit May 10, 1957 #148: Periodic Lubrication of Selector Pins June 14, 1957 #149: H-1139 Scan Control Assembly June 17, 1957 #150: Z-420 Tool Kit (Supercedes Bulletin No. 121!) July 15, 1957 #151: F-3922 Touch-Up Kit for Brushing September 4, 1957 #152: Mechanism Trim Interfering with Turntable September 4, 1957 #153: New G.E. Variable Reluctance Cartridge September 6, 1957 #154: Color Code for G.E. Replacement Styli September 30, 1957 #155: Model "H" Credit Selection System Part Number Changes November 8, 1957 #156: Ground Strap on F-6158 Cartridge December 5, 1957 #157: Cleaning Pushbutton Keys December 5, 1957 #158: Adjustment of F-3465 Reset Switch January 3, 1958 #159: Burning of Segments on F-5515 Switch Circuit Assembly January 6, 1958 #160: Four-Coin Systemfor the JBI-120 February 6, 1958 #161: PF-44 - Kit for Adapting Model "I" Manual Selection Phonographs to 50c Operation February 6, 1958 #162: Dual Price of Play Conversion Kits for I-120 and I-200 Electrical Phonographs February 20, 1958 #163: Model "I" Price of Play Combinations and Price of Play Cards February 20, 1958 #164: Interchangeability of Credit Units March 12, 1958 #165: Model "I" Title Rack Latches March 12, 1958 #166: Credit & Selection System Fuse May 27, 1958 #167: H-2387 Dust Cover for Pulse Generator June 2, 1958 #168: New Number Strips for Model "I" Title Racks June 10, 1958 #169: PF-58 Replacement Inner Shoes for Model 700 & 800 Mechanism October 23, 1958 #170: PF-59 AVC Adaptor Kit for Early R-145 Amplifiers October 23, 1958 #171: #172: Care of Stereo Records November 21, 1958 #173: Model "J" Pushbutton Maintenance February 18, 1959 #174: Model "J" Program Classifiers March 21, 1959 #175: Replacement Turntable Motors April 15, 1959 #176: Adjustments for the Model "K" Record Changer November 18, 1959 #177: Amplifier Tubes January 22, 1960 #178: Color Code for Molded Tubular Capacitors January 21, 1960 #179: Beryllium Copper Wiper Blades for Pulse Converters January 21, 1960 #180: H-3333-H Speaker Control January 21, 1960 #181: Instruction chart for F-7830 credit circuit board, plug and bracket assembly. #182: R-2017-A and R-2017-B Basic Amplifiers June 17, 1960 #183: E.P. Switch Actuators July 6, 1960 #184: Steppers for the Continental & Lyric July 6, 1960 #185: Mounting of CCA, CCB, CCC, CCD Steppers July 6, 1960 #186: Tone Arm and Bias Spring Adjustments August 18, 1960 #187: Changes in the Automatic Selector and Automatic Search Unit October 7, 1960 #188: New Circuit Board and Fuse for the R-1473 Credit Unit #189: Instructions for Using Stereo Cartridge with a Monaural Amplifier May 1, 1961 #190: PF-187 Replacement Parts Group for the Auto Mix May 15, 1961 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 2:16 AM, Joey McDonald wrote: > I am looking for some AMI service bulletins. Specifically # 121 , 129 , > 130. > Also bulletins older than # 114. > > I tried Victory Glass and they say they do not have them. > > Do other jukebox manufacturers like Seeburg, Rockola, Wurlitzer have > service bulletins? > They must have, but I have not been able to find any. > > Manufacturer service bulletins are a great addition to having service > manuals. > If they are like the ones General Motors issues, they also include service > manual corrections > and additions. > > Joey McDonald > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From joe400f at shaw.ca Wed Dec 17 18:23:39 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Wed Dec 17 18:24:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins References: <001001c960ae$478563f0$939f4f18@compaq> <3154d3690812171810u7c0425e9vede02ce281cdea94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000801c960b7$a43e0760$939f4f18@compaq> Thanks Jens. I have been a member on the list probably about 7-8 years and I don't remember this being discussed except for a few weeks ago when a question about cabinet color on the F and G models was asked by Aaron Heverin. This is great information. I contacted Victory Glass about this. They list this bulletin set in there AMR manuals Part # 70-1242. They said that what they offer is all they have. The manual they sell is incomplete. Not even as complete as your list. They started including bulletins in with the manuals. Specifically with the AMI H and I manuals. So, you would have to buy a lot of manuals in hope of getting all the bulletins. What about AMI bulletins pre #114? Have bulletins for Seeburg and Wurlitzer been published as an AMR manual? Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Hultgren" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins > I've posted this INDEX before on the list and you can find it with a web > search, but here it is again. > AMI Service Bulletins 114-190 cover the G200-Continental 2 jukeboxes. > > Number 121, 129 and 130 were omitted, so they don't exist. > > Seeburg and Wurlitzer also made service bulletins. Don't know about > Rockola. > > A web search indicate the AMI bulletins are reprinted and offered by > Jukebox > USA and The Jukebox Man in the UK. > > #114: Light Diffuser September 23, 1955 > #115: G.E. Cartridge Modification November 11, 1955 > #116: Repair of Cabinet Finishes February 14, 1956 > #117: H-1937 Touch-up Kit for Brushing April 3, 1956 > #118: Credit Unit Reset Magnets April 10, 1956 > #119: Pulse Converter Change April 19, 1956 > #120: Change of Crediting April 20, 1956 > #121: Omitted > #122: Belt Tension June 6, 1956 > #123: Additional Fuse June 26, 1956 > #124: H-1968 Conversion Kit for Madifying the AMI G-200 > Phonograph to Operate with Seeburg Wallboxes June 26, 1956 > #125: H-1967 Dual Credit Conversion Kit for Modifying the > Standard G-200 Phonograph to Provide both 10c and 15c > Price-Per-Play June 26, 1956 > #126: Anti-Cheat Devices for the G-200 July 5, 1956 > #127: F-3755 Variable Reluctance Cartridge July 5, 1956 > #128: H-486 Volume Compressor and F-2966 Adaptor Kit August 2, > 1956 > #129: Omitted > #130: Omitted > #131: F-2951 Seeburg Conversion Instructions August 28, 1956 > #132: Dual Credit Unit August 28, 1956 > #133: L-1271 Cash Box October 2, 1956 > #134: R-145 Amplifier and H-486 Automatic Volume Control November > 20, > 1956 > #135: F-2974 Revision Kit for R-1110 Pulse Converter January 4, > 1957 > #136: Exchange of R-1110 Pulse Converter January 8, 1957 > #137: Conversion of 4-Coin Rejector April 8, 1957 > #138: The Pusher Assembly on JCH-100 Phonographs April 10, 1957 > #139: Model "H" Amplifier Removal April 11, 1957 > #140: Model "H" Price per Play Combinations and Price per > Play Cards April 18, 1957 > #141: Special Credit Adjustments - model "H" April 19, 1957 > #142: Model "H" Title Rack April 18, 1957 > #143: Conversion Kit - 3 to 4-Coin Operation (H-120) April 19, > 1957 > #144: Dual Price of Play Conversion Kits for H-120 and H-200 > Phonographs April 19, 1957 > #145: Z-452 Burnishing Tool May 6, 1957 > #146: Instructions for Providing Prices of Play - Chart > R-1918 May 14, 1957 > #147: F-3912 "Wait" Control Unit Kit May 10, 1957 > #148: Periodic Lubrication of Selector Pins June 14, 1957 > #149: H-1139 Scan Control Assembly June 17, 1957 > #150: Z-420 Tool Kit (Supercedes Bulletin No. 121!) July 15, > 1957 > #151: F-3922 Touch-Up Kit for Brushing September 4, 1957 > #152: Mechanism Trim Interfering with Turntable September 4, > 1957 > #153: New G.E. Variable Reluctance Cartridge September 6, > 1957 > #154: Color Code for G.E. Replacement Styli September 30, > 1957 > #155: Model "H" Credit Selection System Part Number Changes > November > 8, 1957 > #156: Ground Strap on F-6158 Cartridge December 5, 1957 > #157: Cleaning Pushbutton Keys December 5, 1957 > #158: Adjustment of F-3465 Reset Switch January 3, 1958 > #159: Burning of Segments on F-5515 Switch Circuit Assembly January > 6, > 1958 > #160: Four-Coin Systemfor the JBI-120 February 6, 1958 > #161: PF-44 - Kit for Adapting Model "I" Manual Selection > Phonographs to 50c Operation February 6, 1958 > #162: Dual Price of Play Conversion Kits for I-120 and I-200 > Electrical Phonographs February 20, 1958 > #163: Model "I" Price of Play Combinations and Price of Play > Cards February 20, 1958 > #164: Interchangeability of Credit Units March 12, 1958 > #165: Model "I" Title Rack Latches March 12, 1958 > #166: Credit & Selection System Fuse May 27, 1958 > #167: H-2387 Dust Cover for Pulse Generator June 2, 1958 > #168: New Number Strips for Model "I" Title Racks June 10, 1958 > #169: PF-58 Replacement Inner Shoes for Model 700 & 800 > Mechanism October 23, 1958 > #170: PF-59 AVC Adaptor Kit for Early R-145 Amplifiers October > 23, > 1958 > #171: > #172: Care of Stereo Records November 21, 1958 > #173: Model "J" Pushbutton Maintenance February 18, 1959 > #174: Model "J" Program Classifiers March 21, 1959 > #175: Replacement Turntable Motors April 15, 1959 > #176: Adjustments for the Model "K" Record Changer November 18, > 1959 > #177: Amplifier Tubes January 22, 1960 > #178: Color Code for Molded Tubular Capacitors January 21, > 1960 > #179: Beryllium Copper Wiper Blades for Pulse Converters January > 21, 1960 > #180: H-3333-H Speaker Control January 21, 1960 > #181: Instruction chart for F-7830 credit circuit board, plug > and bracket assembly. > #182: R-2017-A and R-2017-B Basic Amplifiers June 17, 1960 > #183: E.P. Switch Actuators July 6, 1960 > #184: Steppers for the Continental & Lyric July 6, 1960 > #185: Mounting of CCA, CCB, CCC, CCD Steppers July 6, 1960 > #186: Tone Arm and Bias Spring Adjustments August 18, 1960 > #187: Changes in the Automatic Selector and Automatic > Search Unit October 7, 1960 > #188: New Circuit Board and Fuse for the R-1473 Credit Unit > #189: Instructions for Using Stereo Cartridge with a Monaural > Amplifier May 1, 1961 > #190: PF-187 Replacement Parts Group for the Auto Mix May 15, > 1961 > > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 2:16 AM, Joey McDonald wrote: > >> I am looking for some AMI service bulletins. Specifically # 121 , 129 , >> 130. >> Also bulletins older than # 114. >> >> I tried Victory Glass and they say they do not have them. >> >> Do other jukebox manufacturers like Seeburg, Rockola, Wurlitzer have >> service bulletins? >> They must have, but I have not been able to find any. >> >> Manufacturer service bulletins are a great addition to having service >> manuals. >> If they are like the ones General Motors issues, they also include >> service >> manual corrections >> and additions. >> >> Joey McDonald >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 19:39:10 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 17 19:40:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins In-Reply-To: <001001c960ae$478563f0$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: <159639.76041.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Joey, Seeburg issued them--I have some, but they "ain't fer sale". Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/17/08, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 5:16 PM I am looking for some AMI service bulletins. Specifically # 121 , 129 , 130. Also bulletins older than # 114. I tried Victory Glass and they say they do not have them. Do other jukebox manufacturers like Seeburg, Rockola, Wurlitzer have service bulletins? They must have, but I have not been able to find any. Manufacturer service bulletins are a great addition to having service manuals. If they are like the ones General Motors issues, they also include service manual corrections and additions. Joey McDonald _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jalexandercc at netzero.net Wed Dec 17 22:21:59 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Wed Dec 17 22:24:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins Message-ID: <20081218.012159.18444.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Gentlemen: RE: Service bulletins & service agreements. In the 60's, Wurlitzer (US) did issue some service bulletins and updates for their service manuals. These were mailed out by Wurlitzer to their authorized distributors as letters, usually one in each state,located in major cities. In general, service bulletins were only issued for the current model-year machines. There were few, if any "retro" bulletins for older products. The distributor was expected to maintain a certain level of replacement parts stock on hand and to have an equipped, trained service shop to support repair needs of the distributors' vending/operator clients. The distributor could set up work agreements to provide on-site service support for operators, or else the operator would have to truck in non-working equipment to the distributors' shop for service. Smaller operators usually looked to the distributor service dept. for repair support. Bigger vending companies usually set up and staffed their own servicing facility, in which case the jukebox distributor was supposed to disseminate the service bulletins to all servicers in his territory. Periodically, Wurlitzer sent out field service techs to distributors & vendors to conduct training seminars and to discover what "new" problems operators were having with equipment. This program was scaled back in the later 60's as Wurlitzer jukebox sales declined. I've come across a few miscellaneous copies of service addenda, but I'm not aware of any cataloging or database to track what or how many bulletins were ever issued. In 1974, when US Wurlitzer decided to quit the jukebox business, it is my understanding that the remaining factory stock of parts, service manual manuscripts, service bulletins, et. al. were destroyed. They were not sold to any secondary businesses. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to discover unbeatable cruise deals. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9d4O6E6GhT3bEOcC16Si30PxTjnJsNenSHfyCQVtQ4BBa0G/ From Alan-hood at datex.co.uk Thu Dec 18 01:57:07 2008 From: Alan-hood at datex.co.uk (Alan-hood@datex.co.uk) Date: Thu Dec 18 02:44:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re 125 watt Rowe Ami amplifier Message-ID: <655B3C747F0C0641901676E8D84957A0012874@NTPDC1> Message for Ron. Hi Ron, If you are stuck with the wiring at each end on the R-85 jukebox with regards to the amplifier/output package/speaker wiring, please send me your email details and I will scan the drawings for you and email them to you before Christmas. Regards Alan Hood ami-man UK alan-hood@datex.co.uk ____________________________________________________________________ DISCLAIMER The information and any attachment with this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please notify the sender and delete the message immediately. Unauthorised disclosure, distribution and copying of this email are strictly prohibited The opinions expressed within this message are those of the individual author. Whilst Datex Systems takes reasonable steps to scan this email it does not accept liability for any virus that may be contained in it. ____________________________________________________________________ From Alan-hood at datex.co.uk Thu Dec 18 01:52:08 2008 From: Alan-hood at datex.co.uk (Alan-hood@datex.co.uk) Date: Thu Dec 18 02:44:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re 1979 Rowe idler wheel Message-ID: <655B3C747F0C0641901676E8D84957A0012873@NTPDC1> With regards to the 1100/1200 idler wheel used on the Rowe Ami jukeboxes from around 1967 to 1979 on all the MM range of jukeboxes up to the R-83. I still have these in stock but a limited supply. If anyone requires one of these contact me direct. Regards Alan Hood ami-man UK alan-hood@datex.co.uk ____________________________________________________________________ DISCLAIMER The information and any attachment with this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please notify the sender and delete the message immediately. Unauthorised disclosure, distribution and copying of this email are strictly prohibited The opinions expressed within this message are those of the individual author. Whilst Datex Systems takes reasonable steps to scan this email it does not accept liability for any virus that may be contained in it. ____________________________________________________________________ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 08:19:33 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Dec 18 08:20:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins In-Reply-To: <20081218.012159.18444.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <261283.71327.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, You?can sub the word "Seeburg" for the word "Wurlitzer", and except for the listed?dates, it is exactly the same story for Seeburg. Well written Jim !? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/17/08, James Alexander wrote: From: James Alexander Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 10:21 PM Gentlemen: RE: Service bulletins & service agreements. In the 60's, Wurlitzer (US) did issue some service bulletins and updates for their service manuals. These were mailed out by Wurlitzer to their authorized distributors as letters, usually one in each state,located in major cities. In general, service bulletins were only issued for the current model-year machines. There were few, if any "retro" bulletins for older products. The distributor was expected to maintain a certain level of replacement parts stock on hand and to have an equipped, trained service shop to support repair needs of the distributors' vending/operator clients. The distributor could set up work agreements to provide on-site service support for operators, or else the operator would have to truck in non-working equipment to the distributors' shop for service. Smaller operators usually looked to the distributor service dept. for repair support. Bigger vending companies usually set up and staffed their own servicing facility, in which case the jukebox distributor was supposed to disseminate the service bulletins to all servicers in his territory. Periodically, Wurlitzer sent out field service techs to distributors & vendors to conduct training seminars and to discover what "new" problems operators were having with equipment. This program was scaled back in the later 60's as Wurlitzer jukebox sales declined. I've come across a few miscellaneous copies of service addenda, but I'm not aware of any cataloging or database to track what or how many bulletins were ever issued. In 1974, when US Wurlitzer decided to quit the jukebox business, it is my understanding that the remaining factory stock of parts, service manual manuscripts, service bulletins, et. al. were destroyed. They were not sold to any secondary businesses. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Click here to discover unbeatable cruise deals. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9d4O6E6GhT3bEOcC16Si30PxTjnJsNenSHfyCQVtQ4BBa0G/ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From fborsdorf at hotmail.com Thu Dec 18 08:15:24 2008 From: fborsdorf at hotmail.com (VB Manic) Date: Thu Dec 18 08:21:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe CD100 Amp Caps. Message-ID: Hi All, Does anyone know where I can buy the 10000MFD filter caps. for my Rowe CD100 amp? This amp keeps blowing the outputs on one side after some use. I know the caps need to be replaced because they are leaking, but I can't hear any 60hz hum in the speakers. Do you-all think that could also be the cause of the outputs blowing? These things are getting harder and harder to find! Thanks in advance! From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 08:22:55 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Dec 18 08:24:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re 125 watt Rowe Ami amplifier In-Reply-To: <655B3C747F0C0641901676E8D84957A0012874@NTPDC1> Message-ID: <988072.21540.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Allen, Thanks--There is no hurry as the gentleman who owns this does not wish to persue repairs until next year--but I sure would like to have that info !? Ron Rich ronnnrich@yahoo.com --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Alan-hood@datex.co.uk wrote: From: Alan-hood@datex.co.uk Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re 125 watt Rowe Ami amplifier To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 1:57 AM Message for Ron. Hi Ron, If you are stuck with the wiring at each end on the R-85 jukebox with regards to the amplifier/output package/speaker wiring, please send me your email details and I will scan the drawings for you and email them to you before Christmas. Regards Alan Hood ami-man UK alan-hood@datex.co.uk ____________________________________________________________________ DISCLAIMER The information and any attachment with this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please notify the sender and delete the message immediately. Unauthorised disclosure, distribution and copying of this email are strictly prohibited The opinions expressed within this message are those of the individual author. Whilst Datex Systems takes reasonable steps to scan this email it does not accept liability for any virus that may be contained in it. ____________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 08:35:39 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Dec 18 08:36:47 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe CD100 Amp Caps. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <252681.29573.qm@web111301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Have you tried your local Rowe Distributor?? They are also available in smaller packages, from most good electronics supply houses. I doubt that the caps are causing the outputs to "blow", especially since there is no audio hum. Is this amp updated with the thermistor in the output stage? Is there a chance that the speaker load is incorrect (or shorted)?? Did you set the bias (if an oler style amp)? Are you using the correct output trannys? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/18/08, VB Manic wrote: From: VB Manic Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe CD100 Amp Caps. To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 8:15 AM Hi All, Does anyone know where I can buy the 10000MFD filter caps. for my Rowe CD100 amp? This amp keeps blowing the outputs on one side after some use. I know the caps need to be replaced because they are leaking, but I can't hear any 60hz hum in the speakers. Do you-all think that could also be the cause of the outputs blowing? These things are getting harder and harder to find! Thanks in advance!_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 09:17:16 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Dec 18 09:18:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins In-Reply-To: <000801c960b7$a43e0760$939f4f18@compaq> Message-ID: <421968.20377.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've got a thick blue Seeburg binder full of bulletins that I purchased from an operator along with a similarly-sized binder of original manuals for the 146 through the M100C (which is what I really wanted). It's not very well organized, but leafing through it, the earliest one I see is for the M100-A library unit, and the newest is dated 1968. There are also a few 3rd party documents, like the HAB Seeburg Semiconductor Replacement Guide. Also home systems, background music systems, etc. Some are dittoed, some mimeograped on Seeburg stationary, some are printed with the same high quality as the original service manuals. If anyone ever decides he wants to compile The Compleat Seeburg Bulletin Set, I'd be happy to load them for scanning. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Dec 18 09:47:20 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Dec 18 09:50:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins Message-ID: <20081218.124720.8928.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Ron: >From my observation point,back in the day, (I was located in Michigan) Seeburg did things a little differently. Via their distribution agency, service techs were invited to attend a thorough 3 day service training class (sized for about 30 people) for their products,held at Seeburg HQ in Chicago. The vendor that I worked for had an 80-20% mixture of Wurlitzer and Seeburg machines,with an occasional Rock Ola. For some reason the company owner disliked AMI's. Like most vending companies, he frequently sold/traded equipment with other vendors. Whenever an AMI jukebox was a part of an acquired sale, it immediately was sold off. At the time I attended Seeburg school, the LPC product line was their new jukebox. Seeburg broke a lot of new ground with this model. (i.e. introducing solid state sound, album grouping,wallboxes with speakers,etc) In my opinion, they were more thoroughly detailed, and were willing to explain/share their engineering concepts with the servicers than was brand W. It's my understanding, in the late 70's, as Seeburg was to be taken over by Stern, that all of the factory inventory of jukebox parts, tooling, schematics, etc were sold to an L.A.-based jukebox restoration/servicer, Jukeboxes Unlimited. On the other hand, US Wurlitzer decided to send their factory remains to the landfill. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! Shop now at http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1241/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 From drjukebox at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 10:34:58 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Thu Dec 18 10:36:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins In-Reply-To: <20081218.124720.8928.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081218.124720.8928.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690812181034t1c78d788n37f8f27ea1d081ad@mail.gmail.com> Don Muller in L.A. went to Chicago to salvage what he could from the Seeburg demise . . . he filled a container and went home. But he couldn't sleep, and went back to Chicago again at least once.....I wonder if his story is available online???hmmmm, google........yep, heretis: http://jukeboxesunlimited.com/scavenging.html >From Replay Magazine 1981 I think Bill Butterfield now has what was left from Don's Seeburg stuff. I believe the Tonawanda story was a little different. Wurlitzer was a major employer there. Although there was no Don Muller around in 1974 for a rescue operation it seems that in every other attic in Tonawanda there was Wurlitzer stuff preserved....now often found on ebay, from memorabilia to NOS cabinet locks. Jens On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:47 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > Ron: > >From my observation point,back in the day, (I was located in Michigan) > Seeburg did things a little differently. Via their distribution agency, > service techs were invited to attend a thorough 3 day service training class > (sized for about 30 people) for their products,held at Seeburg HQ in > Chicago. > The vendor that I worked for had an 80-20% mixture of Wurlitzer and > Seeburg machines,with an occasional Rock Ola. For some reason the company > owner disliked AMI's. Like most vending companies, he frequently > sold/traded equipment with other vendors. Whenever an AMI jukebox was a part > of an acquired sale, it immediately was sold off. > At the time I attended Seeburg school, the LPC product line was their new > jukebox. Seeburg broke a lot of new ground with this model. (i.e. > introducing solid state sound, album grouping,wallboxes with speakers,etc) > In my opinion, they were more thoroughly detailed, and were willing to > explain/share their engineering concepts with the servicers than was brand > W. > It's my understanding, in the late 70's, as Seeburg was to be taken over > by Stern, that all of the factory inventory of jukebox parts, tooling, > schematics, etc were sold to an L.A.-based jukebox restoration/servicer, > Jukeboxes Unlimited. On the other hand, US Wurlitzer decided to send their > factory remains to the landfill. > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! > Shop now at http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1241/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Thu Dec 18 12:31:31 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Thu Dec 18 12:33:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins Message-ID: <20081218.153131.14617.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Jens: That was interesting to hear. In the 60's, I was working for a vendor in the Detroit, MI area that had a good-sized jukebox route. (The machines are fascinating/challenging to work with--many other aspects of the field service job were not) By the mid 70's, I moved onto another line of electronics work. Almost all company contact with Wurlitzer came via the MI Wurlitzer distributor. Usually,once a year,a field-service rep from Wurlitzer in Tonawanda, NY, made a scheduled visit for service training. It's my understanding that Wurlitzer was manufacturing some of their specialty musical instrument products at this large facility along with the jukebox line. The word going around at the time is that US Wurlitzer was phasing out it's jukebox product line and parts/tech support immediately (in '74). The distributor network would become distributors for the Deutsche-Wurlitzer line, which was a separate business entity. Until this time,few German Wurlitzers were imported to the US. Some of these units were not technically compatible with the US models. I imagine this move posed a major problem for the vending company that I worked for. They had big $$$ invested in US Wurlitzer machines and spare parts. One of their clients was a big chain of family restaurants. Each location had an elaborate wallbox/hideaway installation. It seemed that Seeburg better transitioned their commercial customers through this difficult business period. I think that Don Muller was the owner of Jukeboxes Unlimited in CA. I read somewhere that his company bought up all the remaining Seeburg jukebox parts circa 1978? JIm Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Learn about VA loan programs and benefits. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9LkMdO49Zh71cz7HBVtqtrhJxsZJFArhfUNaCvjVpEYLM9w/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 15:13:20 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Dec 18 15:14:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins In-Reply-To: <3154d3690812181034t1c78d788n37f8f27ea1d081ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <317064.28802.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jens, Thats a nice write up--buthere are a couple of "errors" that have been made in it--The most glaring of which is the name of Warren's company, at that time--I never met Don, but Tom Campbell and I worked for the same company together for years--Anyone happen to know where he is today--if so, Please ask hm to contact me--TIA, Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: From: Jens Hultgren Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 10:34 AM Don Muller in L.A. went to Chicago to salvage what he could from the Seeburg demise . . . he filled a container and went home. But he couldn't sleep, and went back to Chicago again at least once.....I wonder if his story is available online???hmmmm, google........yep, heretis: http://jukeboxesunlimited.com/scavenging.html >From Replay Magazine 1981 I think Bill Butterfield now has what was left from Don's Seeburg stuff. I believe the Tonawanda story was a little different. Wurlitzer was a major employer there. Although there was no Don Muller around in 1974 for a rescue operation it seems that in every other attic in Tonawanda there was Wurlitzer stuff preserved....now often found on ebay, from memorabilia to NOS cabinet locks. Jens On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:47 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > Ron: > >From my observation point,back in the day, (I was located in Michigan) > Seeburg did things a little differently. Via their distribution agency, > service techs were invited to attend a thorough 3 day service training class > (sized for about 30 people) for their products,held at Seeburg HQ in > Chicago. > The vendor that I worked for had an 80-20% mixture of Wurlitzer and > Seeburg machines,with an occasional Rock Ola. For some reason the company > owner disliked AMI's. Like most vending companies, he frequently > sold/traded equipment with other vendors. Whenever an AMI jukebox was a part > of an acquired sale, it immediately was sold off. > At the time I attended Seeburg school, the LPC product line was their new > jukebox. Seeburg broke a lot of new ground with this model. (i.e. > introducing solid state sound, album grouping,wallboxes with speakers,etc) > In my opinion, they were more thoroughly detailed, and were willing to > explain/share their engineering concepts with the servicers than was brand > W. > It's my understanding, in the late 70's, as Seeburg was to be taken over > by Stern, that all of the factory inventory of jukebox parts, tooling, > schematics, etc were sold to an L.A.-based jukebox restoration/servicer, > Jukeboxes Unlimited. On the other hand, US Wurlitzer decided to send their > factory remains to the landfill. > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! > Shop now at http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1241/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Fri Dec 19 00:21:13 2008 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Fri Dec 19 00:27:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins Message-ID: <194483.56729.qm@web86711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Yes I agree, Ron - nice story.? But isn't there a page missing? ________________________________ From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thursday, 18 December, 2008 11:13:20 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins Jens, Thats a nice write up--buthere are a couple of "errors" that have been made in it--The most glaring of which is the name of Warren's company, at that time--I never met Don, but Tom Campbell and I worked for the same company together for years--Anyone happen to know where he is today--if so, Please ask hm to contact me--TIA, Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: From: Jens Hultgren Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 10:34 AM Don Muller in L.A. went to Chicago to salvage what he could from the Seeburg demise . . . he filled a container and went home. But he couldn't sleep, and went back to Chicago again at least once.....I wonder if his story is available online???hmmmm,? google........yep, heretis: http://jukeboxesunlimited.com/scavenging.html >From Replay Magazine 1981 I think Bill Butterfield now has what was left from Don's Seeburg stuff. I believe the Tonawanda story was a little different. Wurlitzer was a major employer there. Although there was no Don Muller around in 1974 for a rescue operation it seems that in every other attic in Tonawanda there was Wurlitzer stuff preserved....now often found on ebay, from memorabilia to NOS cabinet locks. ? Jens On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:47 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > Ron: > >From my observation point,back in the day, (I was located in Michigan) > Seeburg did things a little differently.? ? ? Via their distribution agency, > service techs were invited to attend a thorough 3 day service training class > (sized for about 30 people)? for their products,held at Seeburg HQ in > Chicago. >? The vendor that I worked for had an 80-20% mixture of Wurlitzer and > Seeburg machines,with an occasional Rock Ola. For some reason the company > owner disliked AMI's.? Like most vending companies, he frequently > sold/traded equipment with other vendors. Whenever an AMI jukebox was a part > of an acquired sale, it immediately was sold off. > At the time I attended Seeburg school, the LPC product line was their new > jukebox.? Seeburg broke a lot of new ground with this model.? ? (i.e. >? introducing solid state sound, album grouping,wallboxes with speakers,etc) >? In my opinion, they were more thoroughly detailed, and were willing to > explain/share their engineering concepts with the servicers than was brand > W. > It's my understanding,? in the late 70's, as Seeburg was to be taken over > by Stern, that all of the factory inventory of jukebox parts, tooling, > schematics, etc were sold to an L.A.-based jukebox restoration/servicer, > Jukeboxes Unlimited.? On the other hand, US Wurlitzer decided to send their > factory remains to the landfill. > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! > Shop now at http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1241/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 07:18:45 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Dec 19 07:19:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins In-Reply-To: <194483.56729.qm@web86711.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <370068.4320.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 12/19/08, NORMAN MACRAE wrote: > Yes I agree, Ron - nice story. But isn't there a page > missing? Why so coy? What's the story? From eddy.decruw at telenet.be Tue Dec 16 08:33:02 2008 From: eddy.decruw at telenet.be (Eddy Decruw) Date: Fri Dec 19 08:39:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 425 Message-ID: <000601c95f9b$f78555d0$5217c054@cbec0b449da0467> hello,have a problem with rock ola 425(gp 1964) the write inn carriage turns to the selection and then the read out starts to turn,but instead of stopping at the right selection it carries on two rounds and is going back to point zero,can sombody help me?? greets,eddy from belgium From kfisher4 at charter.net Thu Dec 18 10:27:04 2008 From: kfisher4 at charter.net (Ken Fisher) Date: Fri Dec 19 08:39:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C sound quality progress In-Reply-To: 20071013181405.5o5bclv0rlwow8s8@webmail.retroaudiolab.com Message-ID: Hi Ron: I purchased a Seeburg B with a MRA-3L6 amp in it. The amp has a broken resister & I was wondering if you know the part numbers. I have a B manual but the amp is for a C. The resister that is good has the numbers 81144. Is the one broken # 81145, 260 ohm? Thanks, Ken From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 08:42:49 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Dec 19 08:43:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins Message-ID: <81846.98573.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yes--Something is mssing--and I just "recycled" all my old copies of the mag---Ron Rich --- On Fri, 12/19/08, NORMAN MACRAE wrote: From: NORMAN MACRAE Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 12:21 AM Yes I agree, Ron - nice story.? But isn't there a page missing? ________________________________ From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Thursday, 18 December, 2008 11:13:20 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins Jens, Thats a nice write up--buthere are a couple of "errors" that have been made in it--The most glaring of which is the name of Warren's company, at that time--I never met Don, but Tom Campbell and I worked for the same company together for years--Anyone happen to know where he is today--if so, Please ask hm to contact me--TIA, Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: From: Jens Hultgren Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 10:34 AM Don Muller in L.A. went to Chicago to salvage what he could from the Seeburg demise . . . he filled a container and went home. But he couldn't sleep, and went back to Chicago again at least once.....I wonder if his story is available online???hmmmm,? google........yep, heretis: http://jukeboxesunlimited.com/scavenging.html >From Replay Magazine 1981 I think Bill Butterfield now has what was left from Don's Seeburg stuff. I believe the Tonawanda story was a little different. Wurlitzer was a major employer there. Although there was no Don Muller around in 1974 for a rescue operation it seems that in every other attic in Tonawanda there was Wurlitzer stuff preserved....now often found on ebay, from memorabilia to NOS cabinet locks. ? Jens On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:47 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > Ron: > >From my observation point,back in the day, (I was located in Michigan) > Seeburg did things a little differently.? ? ? Via their distribution agency, > service techs were invited to attend a thorough 3 day service training class > (sized for about 30 people)? for their products,held at Seeburg HQ in > Chicago. >? The vendor that I worked for had an 80-20% mixture of Wurlitzer and > Seeburg machines,with an occasional Rock Ola. For some reason the company > owner disliked AMI's.? Like most vending companies, he frequently > sold/traded equipment with other vendors. Whenever an AMI jukebox was a part > of an acquired sale, it immediately was sold off. > At the time I attended Seeburg school, the LPC product line was their new > jukebox.? Seeburg broke a lot of new ground with this model.? ? (i.e. >? introducing solid state sound, album grouping,wallboxes with speakers,etc) >? In my opinion, they were more thoroughly detailed, and were willing to > explain/share their engineering concepts with the servicers than was brand > W. > It's my understanding,? in the late 70's, as Seeburg was to be taken over > by Stern, that all of the factory inventory of jukebox parts, tooling, > schematics, etc were sold to an L.A.-based jukebox restoration/servicer, > Jukeboxes Unlimited.? On the other hand, US Wurlitzer decided to send their > factory remains to the landfill. > Jim Alexander > > ____________________________________________________________ > Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! > Shop now at http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1241/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 08:50:56 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Dec 19 08:52:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins Message-ID: <534855.98131.qm@web111315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dave, You must have missed it yesterday--it was a story printed in Replay Mag (I think) after the Seeburg building in Chicago was closed--Ron Rich --- On Fri, 12/19/08, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox service bulletins To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 7:18 AM --- On Fri, 12/19/08, NORMAN MACRAE wrote: > Yes I agree, Ron - nice story.? But isn't there a page > missing? Why so coy?? What's the story? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 09:20:01 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Dec 19 09:21:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 425 Message-ID: <442492.55061.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Eddy, This may be a duplicate answer--sorry-having some computer issues today--- It's not clear--is the WI "hammer" pusing the pin totally onto the "selected side " of the drum, or is the pin falling back? If it's falling back, check that the (coper colored) spring at the coil on top of the drum is not? broken. Otherwise, try to explain exactly what is happening after the WI arm stops--also, try selecting two pins by hand, and explain what happens--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Eddy Decruw wrote: From: Eddy Decruw Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 425 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 8:33 AM hello,have a problem with rock ola 425(gp 1964) the write inn carriage turns to the selection and then the read out starts to turn,but instead of stopping at the right selection it carries on two rounds and is going back to point zero,can sombody help me?? greets,eddy from belgium _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 09:43:29 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Dec 19 09:44:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C sound quality progress Message-ID: <709935.67293.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ken, 81143=1200/5%/10w ww --81144=185/5%/10w ww?-- 81145 is not listed as a part for that amp. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Ken Fisher wrote: From: Ken Fisher Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C sound quality progress To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 10:27 AM Hi Ron: I purchased a Seeburg B with a MRA-3L6 amp in it. The amp has a broken resister & I was wondering if you know the part numbers. I have a B manual but the amp is for a C. The resister that is good has the numbers 81144.. Is the one broken # 81145, 260 ohm? Thanks, Ken _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 09:46:05 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (ronnnrich@yahoo.com) Date: Fri Dec 19 09:47:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C sound quality progress Message-ID: <105220.881.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 81143=1200/5%/10w ww --81144=155/5%/10w ww? 81145 is not listed as a part for that amp --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Ken Fisher wrote: From: Ken Fisher Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C sound quality progress To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 10:27 AM Hi Ron: I purchased a Seeburg B with a MRA-3L6 amp in it. The amp has a broken resister & I was wondering if you know the part numbers. I have a B manual but the amp is for a C. The resister that is good has the numbers 81144.. Is the one broken # 81145, 260 ohm? Thanks, Ken _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Fri Dec 19 11:18:23 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Dec 19 11:19:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100C sound quality progress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <494BF37F.7070909@telus.net> Ken Fisher wrote: > Hi Ron: I purchased a Seeburg B with a MRA-3L6 amp in it. The amp has a broken resister & I was wondering if you know the part numbers. I have a B manual but the amp is for a C. The resister that is good has the numbers 81144. Is the one broken # 81145, 260 ohm? Thanks, Ken > Ceramic resistors often crack, but they are still good to use until a replacement can be found if the resistance element is not broken or touching anything. A small carbon resistor - if broken - breaks into two or more parts... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Dec 19 12:06:41 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Dec 19 12:07:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 425 In-Reply-To: <442492.55061.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <298011.48045.qm@web111514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I know that 2 rounds are normal in the sence that it goes around once searching?for the A side of the record and then the second round is a search for the B side of the record. Is it pushing the pin all the way out? If it is the hammer could be missing it. I have also seen it only part engage and then spring back I know this can be a weak coil problem and or dirty switch and or dirty coil parts. ? Regards, Tony --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Ron Rich wrote: From: Ron Rich Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 425 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, December 19, 2008, 12:20 PM Eddy, This may be a duplicate answer--sorry-having some computer issues today--- It's not clear--is the WI "hammer" pusing the pin totally onto the "selected side " of the drum, or is the pin falling back? If it's falling back, check that the (coper colored) spring at the coil on top of the drum is not? broken. Otherwise, try to explain exactly what is happening after the WI arm stops--also, try selecting two pins by hand, and explain what happens--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Eddy Decruw wrote: From: Eddy Decruw Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 425 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 8:33 AM hello,have a problem with rock ola 425(gp 1964) the write inn carriage turns to the selection and then the read out starts to turn,but instead of stopping at the right selection it carries on two rounds and is going back to point zero,can sombody help me?? greets,eddy from belgium _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. 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Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 19 17:16:05 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Fri Dec 19 17:17:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 425 References: <000601c95f9b$f78555d0$5217c054@cbec0b449da0467> Message-ID: <003f01c96240$88d24380$6101a8c0@Dirksen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eddy Decruw" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 425 hello,have a problem with rock ola 425(gp 1964) the write inn carriage turns to the selection and then the read out starts to turn,but instead of stopping at the right selection it carries on two rounds and is going back to point zero,can sombody help me?? greets,eddy from belgium _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 19 17:16:41 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Fri Dec 19 17:17:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 425 References: <000601c95f9b$f78555d0$5217c054@cbec0b449da0467> Message-ID: <004d01c96240$9ea93c90$6101a8c0@Dirksen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eddy Decruw" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 425 hello,have a problem with rock ola 425(gp 1964) the write inn carriage turns to the selection and then the read out starts to turn,but instead of stopping at the right selection it carries on two rounds and is going back to point zero,can sombody help me?? greets,eddy from belgium _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Carl.Lynne.Sullivan at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 17:51:04 2008 From: Carl.Lynne.Sullivan at gmail.com (Carl.Lynne.Sullivan@gmail.com) Date: Fri Dec 19 17:52:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1650 Message-ID: <00221532ce0c9aa825045e70a8fe@google.com> I am in the process of restoring a Wurlitzer 1650 and I am looking for some advice. When I got the unit the mechanism worked fine but, not sound. Matter a fact I couldn't get it to stop running until I got some advice on how to adjust a limit switch. Now I have sound but, now the mechanism is jammed. I was in the process of adjusting the tray take out slide. I was having problems getting it just centered. In the midst of this the index gear got jammed and I can't figure how to unstick it. I took off the selector arm and the selector cam but, the index wheel is still stuck. The other issue I have and it may be related... The segment gear doesn't always retract. Any thoughts from anyone??? From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Dec 19 18:11:33 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Dec 19 18:14:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1650 Message-ID: <20081219.211133.25239.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Hi Carol: If you don't mind my asking----what did you finally do to solve your "no sound" problem? I remember that you were dealing with the Cobra phono cartridges and a recently serviced amplifier. I remember giving you a list of several things to check out that might have helped. I never heard back from you. I'll help you through your mechanism question if no one else wants to jump in here. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Find success and happiness with drug and alcohol rehabilitation. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9UcCR8URljua8oLRFZnuRdtrXmdivUCzqFiVRfR0p8ro1zw/ From carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 19:27:29 2008 From: carl.lynne.sullivan at gmail.com (Carl & Lynne Sullivan) Date: Fri Dec 19 19:35:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1650 In-Reply-To: <20081219.211133.25239.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081219.211133.25239.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Jim, Yes, thanks to your help I finally got some sound. It turns out I had a couple of problems. One, I had two new cobras that didn't work. I also have a problem with the wiring in the lower tone arm which I am still working on. I checked all the items you mentioned and everything seemed ok. So I ordered two new cobras. When they came in I installed them and the upper arm sounds great!!! However, as I mentioned the lower is still not working. Nice to know the amp is working and to finally hear some sound. So, Jim thanks so much for your help. It was much appreciated. Its funny I believe you also helped me getting the machine to stop playing by adjusting one of the limit switches. Now I can't get it going... I believe something isn't quite right with the index wheel. Jim, Thanks once again. Carl On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:11 PM, James Alexander wrote: > > Hi Carol: > If you don't mind my asking----what did you finally do to solve your "no > sound" problem? I remember that you were dealing with the Cobra phono > cartridges and a recently serviced amplifier. > > I remember giving you a list of several things to check > out that might have helped. I never heard back from you. > I'll help you through your mechanism question if no one else wants to jump > in here. > Jim Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > Find success and happiness with drug and alcohol rehabilitation. Click now. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9UcCR8URljua8oLRFZnuRdtrXmdivUCzqFiVRfR0p8ro1zw/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Dec 19 20:04:31 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Dec 19 20:06:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 1650 Message-ID: <20081219.230431.5458.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Try installing your Cobra cartridge, known to be working, into the other tone arm. This might be all you need. >From my experience, Cobra cartridges will have different sound characteristics when you open nerw ones and try them, but I haven't had 2 dead ones out of the box. 2 suggestions: If you need to buy more Cobra cartridges in the future, there is a copy being made in Europe (has a red/green cartridge body)that seems to be above-average quality. I know that Needles4jukeboxes (web:www.needles4jukeboxes.com) sells it in the US. Some people prefer to seek out new old stock Zenith brand cartridges,but these can be pricey. There are several stylus tip choices offered. If you are playing 45's, order the .7mil needle---this will best track both mono and stereo 45's. The 1 mil needle is the most accurate for old mono 45's. The 2 mil tip (called all-speed) will work best with modern-day vinyl 78's. Use the 3 mil needle if you are playing old original shellac 78's. If you play your 1650 frequently, especially with modern records, it's not that difficult (or expensive) to modify the tone arms and amplifier to use a more modern stereo cartridge. (You can probably tell--I don't like Cobras) Hope this helps, Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! Shop now at http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1241/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 From gpatter4 at alltel.net Sat Dec 20 07:13:44 2008 From: gpatter4 at alltel.net (gpatter4@alltel.net) Date: Sat Dec 20 07:20:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 425 In-Reply-To: <004d01c96240$9ea93c90$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <20081220091344.DAHOX.475982.root@ispmxfep14-z01> Hi and Merry Christmas, I have a Rock-Ola Grand Prix 426 II and had a similar problem. One of my coil wires was loose and I unwrapped all of them and resoldered them and I work great. You can watch for coil on ebay but there are not too many good ones that you will have to work on. Start with your write in and move the wires to a different position and see if the the problem stops if not move to the other coils. If I was repairing your unit that is right where I would go. Again Merry Christmas, Gary ---- dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eddy Decruw" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 425 hello,have a problem with rock ola 425(gp 1964) the write inn carriage turns to the selection and then the read out starts to turn,but instead of stopping at the right selection it carries on two rounds and is going back to point zero,can sombody help me?? greets,eddy from belgium _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From info at hofstee.be Sat Dec 20 08:03:20 2008 From: info at hofstee.be (Hofstee) Date: Sat Dec 20 08:04:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 425 References: <20081220091344.DAHOX.475982.root@ispmxfep14-z01> Message-ID: <000c01c962bc$7b0700c0$c400a8c0@16401a8c812b412> ok ,thank you and a merry xmas grt,eddy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 425 > Hi and Merry Christmas, > > I have a Rock-Ola Grand Prix 426 II and had a similar problem. One of my > coil wires was loose and I unwrapped all of them and resoldered them and I > work great. You can watch for coil on ebay but there are not too many > good ones that you will have to work on. Start with your write in and > move the wires to a different position and see if the the problem stops if > not move to the other coils. If I was repairing your unit that is right > where I would go. > > Again Merry Christmas, > Gary > > > ---- dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eddy Decruw" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 11:33 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] rock ola 425 > > > hello,have a problem with rock ola 425(gp 1964) the write inn carriage > turns > to the selection and then the read out starts to turn,but instead of > stopping at the right selection it carries on two rounds and is going back > to point zero,can sombody help me?? > greets,eddy from belgium > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jugert at msn.com Sat Dec 20 09:16:44 2008 From: jugert at msn.com (jugert@msn.com) Date: Sat Dec 20 09:24:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing orange stain when a bubble tube breaks In-Reply-To: <000c01c962bc$7b0700c0$c400a8c0@16401a8c812b412> References: <20081220091344.DAHOX.475982.root@ispmxfep14-z01> <000c01c962bc$7b0700c0$c400a8c0@16401a8c812b412> Message-ID: I hope someone on this list can help me. I just picked up a Rock-Ola bubbler jukebox and one of the bubble tubes was broken. Replacing the tube is no issue but I cannot remove the orange stain the bubble tube left on the inside plastics. Does anyone have any suggestions? thanks Don Jugert Colorado From lavin at cheqnet.net Sat Dec 20 09:57:40 2008 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Sat Dec 20 09:58:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge References: <20081210.155843.29902.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com><49403032.9070306@west.net> Message-ID: <06C31161C1D9499A9AA0BAB7B12C991D@dennis38rxl3bv> Hi- I recieved the new needle for the 3600 cart, installed it, works OK on the diamond tip side, but when I "flip" the needle over to the 2nd tip, the needle arm hits the record clamp and wont drop down to touch the record. This is the 2nd new needle I have bought, says it is a direct replacment for the 133~d cartridge. What gives here ? anyone run across this before ? photo's : http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y131/jukeboxdenny/Wurlitzer%203600/DSC05267.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y131/jukeboxdenny/Wurlitzer%203600/DSC05266.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y131/jukeboxdenny/Wurlitzer%203600/DSC05262.jpg Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:21 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge > In the last couple of years I've been buying battery operated portable > phonographs from the 1960's and early 1970's. Virtually every time there > is an issue with "no sound" the cause has been a dead ceramic cartridge. > > > There must be something in them that could deteriorate with age, > considering the high failure rate. Although, in all fairness, usually > one common type of Astatic cartridge was used in these portables, so > perhaps it was more of a brand fault rather than a fault of ceramics in > general. > > That's been my observation, and I wanted to include it in this > discussion. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jay > Hennigan > Sent: 2008, December, 10 4:10 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge > > James Alexander wrote: >> >> Gentlemen: >> I'm not trying to minimize anyone's efforts here, and,yes Sonotone was > considerd to be one of the best ceramic element phono cartridges in > their day, but is it a smart service practice to buy and try to use old > crystal/ceramic phono cartridge stock? >> I'm working under the impression that piezo-element cartridges slowly > deteriorate over time,whether used or not. Magnetic element cartridges > do not go bad with age. Buying new old (Sonotone or otherwise) > cartridge stock is the equivalent of buying last week's lettuce at the > foodmart. >> On the other hand, at the Roger Russell site, they mentioned a company > that has resumed production of certain Sonotone pickups? > At the needles4jukeboxes website, they are selling several Sonotone > replacement cartridge models that are said to be fresh inventory. > > I agree in the case of crystal pickups made from Rochelle salts, as is > the case with the old flat monaural riveted Astatic type. I would be > surprised if any of these are still working. > > The elements in ceramic pickups, however, don't seem to deteriorate with > age in my experience. Those with rubberized plastic elastomers may have > issues, but in most cases the flexible compliance element is part of the > stylus stem. > > Unless damaged, I have seen few problems with original ceramic > cartridges in 1960s to 1970s boxes. I will occasionally upgrade to > magnetic with RIAA preamp if the box is a real "keeper" and I'm looking > for the best sound. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not > waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it > contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail > or otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne > renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements > qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) > d?sign?(s) est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser > imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu Sat Dec 20 10:57:51 2008 From: Ronald.Tyler at pepperdine.edu (Tyler, Ronald) Date: Sat Dec 20 10:59:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing orange stain when a bubble tube breaks References: <20081220091344.DAHOX.475982.root@ispmxfep14-z01><000c01c962bc$7b0700c0$c400a8c0@16401a8c812b412> Message-ID: My experience with Wurlitzers is there is no way. Let us know if you find one. Ron Tyler ________________________________ From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com on behalf of jugert@msn.com Sent: Sat 12/20/2008 9:16 AM To: jukeboxlist Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing orange stain when a bubble tube breaks I hope someone on this list can help me. I just picked up a Rock-Ola bubbler jukebox and one of the bubble tubes was broken. Replacing the tube is no issue but I cannot remove the orange stain the bubble tube left on the inside plastics. Does anyone have any suggestions? thanks Don Jugert Colorado_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Sat Dec 20 11:39:29 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Dec 20 11:40:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing orange stain when a bubble tube breaks In-Reply-To: References: <20081220091344.DAHOX.475982.root@ispmxfep14-z01> <000c01c962bc$7b0700c0$c400a8c0@16401a8c812b412> Message-ID: <494D49F1.3040004@telus.net> jugert@msn.com wrote: > I hope someone on this list can help me. > > I just picked up a Rock-Ola bubbler jukebox and one of the bubble tubes was broken. Replacing the tube is no issue but I cannot remove the orange stain the bubble tube left on the inside plastics. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > thanks > Don Jugert > Colorado_______________________________________________ > Nothing will remove it to my knowledge either...you need to replace the plastics. John :-#(# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 12:29:27 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Dec 20 12:30:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing orange stain when a bubble tube breaks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9052.32703.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Don, If you find a way, please let me know--some "plastics" for some models are NLA- Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/20/08, jugert@msn.com wrote: From: jugert@msn.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing orange stain when a bubble tube breaks To: "jukeboxlist" Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 9:16 AM I hope someone on this list can help me. I just picked up a Rock-Ola bubbler jukebox and one of the bubble tubes was broken. Replacing the tube is no issue but I cannot remove the orange stain the bubble tube left on the inside plastics. Does anyone have any suggestions? thanks Don Jugert Colorado_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 12:31:34 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Dec 20 12:32:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge In-Reply-To: <06C31161C1D9499A9AA0BAB7B12C991D@dennis38rxl3bv> Message-ID: <825079.60788.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Denny, Just cut the tip of the plastic short enough to clear it--- Aren't both needles the same?? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: From: Sue and Dennis Lavin Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 9:57 AM Hi- I recieved the new needle for the 3600 cart, installed it, works OK on the diamond tip side, but when I "flip" the needle over to the 2nd tip, the needle arm hits the record clamp and wont drop down to touch the record.. This is the 2nd new needle I have bought, says it is a direct replacment for the 133~d cartridge. What gives here ? anyone run across this before ? photo's : http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y131/jukeboxdenny/Wurlitzer%203600/DSC05267.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y131/jukeboxdenny/Wurlitzer%203600/DSC05266.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y131/jukeboxdenny/Wurlitzer%203600/DSC05262.jpg Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:21 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge > In the last couple of years I've been buying battery operated portable > phonographs from the 1960's and early 1970's. Virtually every time there > is an issue with "no sound" the cause has been a dead ceramic cartridge. > > > There must be something in them that could deteriorate with age, > considering the high failure rate. Although, in all fairness, usually > one common type of Astatic cartridge was used in these portables, so > perhaps it was more of a brand fault rather than a fault of ceramics in > general. > > That's been my observation, and I wanted to include it in this > discussion. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jay > Hennigan > Sent: 2008, December, 10 4:10 PM > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge > > James Alexander wrote: >> >> Gentlemen: >> I'm not trying to minimize anyone's efforts here, and,yes Sonotone was > considerd to be one of the best ceramic element phono cartridges in > their day, but is it a smart service practice to buy and try to use old > crystal/ceramic phono cartridge stock? >> I'm working under the impression that piezo-element cartridges slowly > deteriorate over time,whether used or not. Magnetic element cartridges > do not go bad with age. Buying new old (Sonotone or otherwise) > cartridge stock is the equivalent of buying last week's lettuce at the > foodmart. >> On the other hand, at the Roger Russell site, they mentioned a company > that has resumed production of certain Sonotone pickups? > At the needles4jukeboxes website, they are selling several Sonotone > replacement cartridge models that are said to be fresh inventory. > > I agree in the case of crystal pickups made from Rochelle salts, as is > the case with the old flat monaural riveted Astatic type. I would be > surprised if any of these are still working. > > The elements in ceramic pickups, however, don't seem to deteriorate with > age in my experience. Those with rubberized plastic elastomers may have > issues, but in most cases the flexible compliance element is part of the > stylus stem. > > Unless damaged, I have seen few problems with original ceramic > cartridges in 1960s to 1970s boxes. I will occasionally upgrade to > magnetic with RIAA preamp if the box is a real "keeper" and I'm looking > for the best sound. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. > Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. > If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. > > Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. > Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. > Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mvgood at elite.net Fri Dec 19 13:42:48 2008 From: mvgood at elite.net (Marvin Good) Date: Sat Dec 20 12:32:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Check these parts out, hope these can help somebody Message-ID: <494C1558.3060803@elite.net> Hello I'm in the market for the main motor for a Seeburg HF100R. You had two listed in 2004: Seeburg Selectomatic main motors, Bodine KC1-42, have two left, $50ea Do you still have them for sale? Marvin Good Catheys Valley, CA. From pinball at telus.net Sat Dec 20 12:40:56 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Dec 20 12:42:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing orange stain when a bubble tube breaks In-Reply-To: <9052.32703.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <9052.32703.qm@web111314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494D5858.30509@telus.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Don, > If you find a way, please let me know--some "plastics" for some models are NLA- > Ron Rich > > The only plastics with a chance of being saved are those without a painted inside finish. Then it should be possible to polish out the stain. Unfortunately the plastics used in the OMT, RockOla and Rowe machines are all painted on the inside... Now, one could possible remove the inside paint, clean the stain off, then repaint them with the translucent paint, but it would be much cheaper to buy new plastics - I think. John :-#(# > --- On Sat, 12/20/08, jugert@msn.com wrote: > > From: jugert@msn.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Removing orange stain when a bubble tube breaks > To: "jukeboxlist" > Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 9:16 AM > > I hope someone on this list can help me. > > I just picked up a Rock-Ola bubbler jukebox and one of the bubble tubes was > broken. Replacing the tube is no issue but I cannot remove the orange stain the > bubble tube left on the inside plastics. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > thanks > Don Jugert > Colorado__ -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 12:59:48 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Dec 20 13:00:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Check these parts out, hope these can help somebody In-Reply-To: <494C1558.3060803@elite.net> Message-ID: <945461.45332.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Marvin, It's unclear as to what you are saying--do you have them for sale, or do you wish to purchase them? BTW, you wrote to a "list", or "forum", not an individual person. If you want to purchase one, I do have them available, and checked out" as good, but not at that price. Contact me off the list at ronnnrich@yahoo.com? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Marvin Good wrote: From: Marvin Good Subject: [Jukebox-list] Check these parts out, hope these can help somebody To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 1:42 PM Hello I'm in the market for the main motor for a Seeburg HF100R. You had two listed in 2004: Seeburg Selectomatic main motors, Bodine KC1-42, have two left, $50ea Do you still have them for sale? Marvin Good Catheys Valley, CA. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Sat Dec 20 13:28:29 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Dec 20 13:29:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Check these parts out, hope these can help somebody In-Reply-To: <494C1558.3060803@elite.net> References: <494C1558.3060803@elite.net> Message-ID: <494D637D.7050103@telus.net> Marvin Good wrote: > > Hello > I'm in the market for the main motor for a Seeburg HF100R. You had > two listed in 2004: > > Seeburg Selectomatic main motors, Bodine KC1-42, have two left, $50ea > > Do you still have them for sale? > > Marvin Good > Catheys Valley, CA. > The fellow selling these was Matt Potter (ml_potter@yahoo.com) and he might still be around...this was from a list of parts he had for sale dated Jan 24, 2004. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Sat Dec 20 18:02:40 2008 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Sat Dec 20 18:03:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Check these parts out, hope these can help somebody References: <494C1558.3060803@elite.net> Message-ID: Marvin: I have good used motors in stock. Just give me a call Roy Thanks: Remember it is the support by loyal customers that keep The REPUTABLE dealers in bisiness supplying your JUKEBOX needs The Jukebox Junkyard PO Box 338 Lizella,GA 31052 USA WWW.jukebox-junkyard.com 678-833-5749 Plese respect or business hrs which are Mon-Fri 9 AM til 6 PM EST Thats GMT-5 for those of you across the POND From lavin at cheqnet.net Sat Dec 20 19:16:04 2008 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Sat Dec 20 19:17:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge References: <825079.60788.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9946B347EAA54A09974F7A63962C2DF4@dennis38rxl3bv> I did that on the last one, then it seemed to not want to stay in the cartridge right somehow. Looks like only one side is a Diamond tip, the other side just says LP. I guess when it wears out I will do the flip and snip thing Ha Ha Ha .At least now I can put some "good" records in it now and use it !! Dennis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge > Denny, > Just cut the tip of the plastic short enough to clear it--- Aren't both > needles the same?? > Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Sue and Dennis Lavin wrote: > > From: Sue and Dennis Lavin > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 9:57 AM > > Hi- I recieved the new needle for the 3600 cart, installed it, works OK on > the > diamond tip side, but when I "flip" the needle over to the 2nd tip, > the needle arm hits the record clamp and wont drop down to touch the > record.. > > This is the 2nd new needle I have bought, says it is a direct replacment > for > the 133~d cartridge. What gives here ? anyone run across this before ? > > photo's : > http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y131/jukeboxdenny/Wurlitzer%203600/DSC05267.jpg > > http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y131/jukeboxdenny/Wurlitzer%203600/DSC05266.jpg > > > http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y131/jukeboxdenny/Wurlitzer%203600/DSC05262.jpg > Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) > > .. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dicecco, Michael" > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:21 PM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge > > >> In the last couple of years I've been buying battery operated portable >> phonographs from the 1960's and early 1970's. Virtually every time > there >> is an issue with "no sound" the cause has been a dead ceramic > cartridge. >> >> >> There must be something in them that could deteriorate with age, >> considering the high failure rate. Although, in all fairness, usually >> one common type of Astatic cartridge was used in these portables, so >> perhaps it was more of a brand fault rather than a fault of ceramics in >> general. >> >> That's been my observation, and I wanted to include it in this >> discussion. >> >> Mike >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com >> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jay >> Hennigan >> Sent: 2008, December, 10 4:10 PM >> To: Jukebox mailing list >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge >> >> James Alexander wrote: >>> >>> Gentlemen: >>> I'm not trying to minimize anyone's efforts here, and,yes > Sonotone was >> considerd to be one of the best ceramic element phono cartridges in >> their day, but is it a smart service practice to buy and try to use old >> crystal/ceramic phono cartridge stock? >>> I'm working under the impression that piezo-element cartridges > slowly >> deteriorate over time,whether used or not. Magnetic element cartridges >> do not go bad with age. Buying new old (Sonotone or otherwise) >> cartridge stock is the equivalent of buying last week's lettuce at the >> foodmart. >>> On the other hand, at the Roger Russell site, they mentioned a company >> that has resumed production of certain Sonotone pickups? >> At the needles4jukeboxes website, they are selling several Sonotone >> replacement cartridge models that are said to be fresh inventory. >> >> I agree in the case of crystal pickups made from Rochelle salts, as is >> the case with the old flat monaural riveted Astatic type. I would be >> surprised if any of these are still working. >> >> The elements in ceramic pickups, however, don't seem to deteriorate > with >> age in my experience. Those with rubberized plastic elastomers may have >> issues, but in most cases the flexible compliance element is part of the >> stylus stem. >> >> Unless damaged, I have seen few problems with original ceramic >> cartridges in 1960s to 1970s boxes. I will occasionally upgrade to >> magnetic with RIAA preamp if the box is a real "keeper" and > I'm looking >> for the best sound. >> >> -- >> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net >> Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ >> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does >> not > waive any related rights and obligations. >> Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it > contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. >> If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail > or otherwise) immediately. >> >> Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur > ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. >> Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements > qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) > d?sign?(s) est interdite. >> Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en > aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre > moyen. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sun Dec 21 02:56:02 2008 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sun Dec 21 02:57:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg KS 200 Stepper Message-ID: I have added a stepper to my KS 200 (single Pricing) This jukebox had been altered with just the circuit board of a RCSU 1 and wired to make it work. I like my jukeboxes to be complete so I purchased a clean complete stepper from Bill Butterfield. I am seeking guidance from the group before I attempt any adjustments to the stepper. The letter and number buttons stick in latched position and credit lamps are on. The Trouble Shooting Chart -Coins and Credit points to the stepper needing adjustment and oil.. If I manually move the letter and number wheels on the stepper it will play one selection and complete its scan cycle correctly. The number ratchet on the left side of the stepper appears to set correctly as the gears are engaged and turn by hand freely, and spring back when released. The problem side is the letter ratchet, it is not making contact with the gears at all. If I rotate the letter contact assembly to any position and will not spring back like the number side does. All springs are in place for both sides. Am I correct that the Contact Board has to be removed to get to the adjusting screw page 16020. Is there any thing that I should look out for. I have found it is better to ask first before rushing in. Graeme Harvey From jyount130960 at comcast.net Sun Dec 21 18:10:43 2008 From: jyount130960 at comcast.net (jyount130960@comcast.net) Date: Sun Dec 21 18:18:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Galaxy CDM3 or CDM4? Message-ID: <122220080210.2592.494EF7230007780600000A202216551406CFC0C7CFCCCE9B029A019706@comcast.net> What is the easiest way to tell if the reader unit in the Galaxy is CDM3 or has been upgraded in the past with a CDM4? Are they very different visually or? Thanks, Joe. From pinball at telus.net Sun Dec 21 18:29:57 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Dec 21 18:31:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Galaxy CDM3 or CDM4? In-Reply-To: <122220080210.2592.494EF7230007780600000A202216551406CFC0C7CFCCCE9B029A019706@comcast.net> References: <122220080210.2592.494EF7230007780600000A202216551406CFC0C7CFCCCE9B029A019706@comcast.net> Message-ID: <494EFBA5.4060009@telus.net> jyount130960@comcast.net wrote: > What is the easiest way to tell if the reader unit in the Galaxy is CDM3 or has been upgraded in the past with a CDM4? Are they very different visually or? Thanks, Joe. > I have a pictures showing the different models of players as used in the Wurlitzer machines. You should be able to identify which player you have from these images. http://flippers.com/wurlitzr.html#Troubleshooting John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jalexandercc at netzero.net Sun Dec 21 21:33:15 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Sun Dec 21 21:35:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge Message-ID: <20081222.003315.15329.1@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> There is a simple adjustment that will adjust the tone arm height so that the stylus will not strike the gripper arm. From your description and pix, it sounds like it is improperly set where a stylus change can't make the clearance. Do you have the service manual? I'll help you through it if you need assistance. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Go to massage therapy school and make up to $150/hour, click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8RbU4mG0jCJg6rsz48GXrS98VI7RLnNAeL6FvxCddrGeYzE/ From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 22 06:01:34 2008 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Mon Dec 22 06:02:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dear Santa... Message-ID: <347756.46877.qm@web81007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ...since I have been a very good boy this year, I would like this for Christmas: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220330173858&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 Sincerely, Bob - Chicago From etreble7 at verizon.net Mon Dec 22 06:43:29 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Mon Dec 22 08:32:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dear Santa... References: <347756.46877.qm@web81007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob, I also have been a VERY good girl this year, I can't believe we missed it!! lol check your stocking? Before my life gets totally out of control this week, I want to wish everyone a very Happy Holiday, Merry Christmas and may 2009 find you and your families in good health....keep Dancin' Our best, Jackie, Tad, Cindy, Stephen, Sarah, Lindsey, William, Emily and Abigail......oh yea....Pippin, Frodo and Annie the Bulldog ----- Original Message ----- From: "NotarySojac" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dear Santa... > ...since I have been a very good boy this year, I would like this for > Christmas: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220330173858&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 > > Sincerely, > Bob - Chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 08:44:02 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 22 08:45:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dear Santa... Message-ID: <317988.32774.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jackie, and all, Jackie, since you "missed it", could it be that "Santa" does not agree with your assessment of your behavior?---- Any way--Seasons BEST to ALL !! Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/22/08, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dear Santa... To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 6:43 AM Bob, I also have been a VERY good girl this year, I can't believe we missed it!! lol check your stocking? Before my life gets totally out of control this week, I want to wish everyone a very Happy Holiday, Merry Christmas and may 2009 find you and your families in good health....keep Dancin' Our best, Jackie, Tad, Cindy, Stephen, Sarah, Lindsey, William, Emily and Abigail......oh yea....Pippin, Frodo and Annie the Bulldog ----- Original Message ----- From: "NotarySojac" To: "Jukebox List" Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dear Santa... > ...since I have been a very good boy this year, I would like this for Christmas: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220330173858&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 > > Sincerely, > Bob - Chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 22 09:05:35 2008 From: tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net (mike) Date: Mon Dec 22 09:13:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] R1428 parts? References: <317988.32774.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6FDC2F102A8746E58AF36036785183D8@main> My 1428 Rock-ola center resin plastic lens on the front door got broke during our move earlier this year. It actually had quite a bit of bow to it but now must be replaced. Does anyone have one for sale? Mike in Cedar Hill From etreble7 at verizon.net Mon Dec 22 09:49:16 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Mon Dec 22 10:06:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jackie's behavior References: <317988.32774.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <458EC053C67E48688536DFCD5D121455@home1903> Good Morning Rich, You are quite right on this one, Good Behavior is in the eye of the Judge.....who will be celebrating a Birthday on Thursday!! xo Jackie ps that was still a great record to miss out on ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dear Santa... > Jackie, and all, > Jackie, since you "missed it", could it be that "Santa" does not agree > with your assessment of your behavior?---- > Any way--Seasons BEST to ALL !! Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 12/22/08, etreble7 wrote: > > > From: etreble7 > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Dear Santa... > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 6:43 AM > > > Bob, > I also have been a VERY good girl this year, I can't believe we missed > it!! lol check your stocking? > > Before my life gets totally out of control this week, I want to wish > everyone a very Happy Holiday, Merry Christmas and may 2009 find you and > your families in good health....keep Dancin' > Our best, > Jackie, Tad, Cindy, Stephen, Sarah, Lindsey, William, Emily and > Abigail......oh yea....Pippin, Frodo and Annie the Bulldog > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "NotarySojac" > > To: "Jukebox List" > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 9:01 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dear Santa... > > >> ...since I have been a very good boy this year, I would like this for >> Christmas: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220330173858&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 >> >> Sincerely, >> Bob - Chicago >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From daveba at telus.net Mon Dec 22 08:42:20 2008 From: daveba at telus.net (BA) Date: Mon Dec 22 11:10:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] tubes Message-ID: <0E3DE7E359CB4B51A47E24AEF17CBBD8@BAPC> I AM NEW TO THIS WEBSITE.IS THERE A SUPPLIER OF TUBES FOR MY JUKEBOX IN B.C.(OR PREFERABLY ON VANCOUVER ISLAND) I HAVE A SEEBURG M-100A 1949 MODEL. From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Mon Dec 22 11:16:15 2008 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Mon Dec 22 11:31:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] tubes In-Reply-To: <0E3DE7E359CB4B51A47E24AEF17CBBD8@BAPC> References: <0E3DE7E359CB4B51A47E24AEF17CBBD8@BAPC> Message-ID: I doubt you'll find a tube supplier on Vancouver Island. However, here is a place in Hamilton Ontario Canada, which you might find useful: http://thetubestore.com/info.html Of course there's always the reliable Antique Electronic Supply, but you'll have to pay duty on the parts. http://www.tubesandmore.com/?gclid=CLnsjLnL9pICFRwcewodvm5pBw Mike P.s. How do you know you need new tubes. Has the amplifier ever been re-built? What is the problem with it? -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of BA Sent: 2008, December, 22 11:42 AM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] tubes I AM NEW TO THIS WEBSITE.IS THERE A SUPPLIER OF TUBES FOR MY JUKEBOX IN B.C.(OR PREFERABLY ON VANCOUVER ISLAND) I HAVE A SEEBURG M-100A 1949 MODEL. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courrier ?lectronique est confidentiel et prot?g?. L'exp?diteur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) d?sign?(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courrier ?lectronique par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser imm?diatement, par retour de courrier ?lectronique ou par un autre moyen. From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Mon Dec 22 13:13:19 2008 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Mon Dec 22 13:14:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] tubes References: <0E3DE7E359CB4B51A47E24AEF17CBBD8@BAPC> Message-ID: <9D00754EB74A4CAC8455D88F47FEB4B5@JUKEBUS> ..Have you tried John's Jukes http://flippers.com/. John is a member of this list and may well respond directly to you! Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "BA" To: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 4:42 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] tubes I AM NEW TO THIS WEBSITE.IS THERE A SUPPLIER OF TUBES FOR MY JUKEBOX IN B.C.(OR PREFERABLY ON VANCOUVER ISLAND) I HAVE A SEEBURG M-100A 1949 MODEL. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1860 - Release Date: 21/12/2008 15:08 From pinball at telus.net Mon Dec 22 13:32:16 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Dec 22 13:33:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] tubes In-Reply-To: <0E3DE7E359CB4B51A47E24AEF17CBBD8@BAPC> References: <0E3DE7E359CB4B51A47E24AEF17CBBD8@BAPC> Message-ID: <49500760.6050208@telus.net> BA wrote: > I AM NEW TO THIS WEBSITE.IS THERE A SUPPLIER OF TUBES FOR MY JUKEBOX IN B.C.(OR PREFERABLY ON VANCOUVER ISLAND) I HAVE A SEEBURG M-100A 1949 MODEL. > There was a fellow on the Island called himself "The Tube Guy" but I have lost his contact info. I think he was in Victoria... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From lavin at cheqnet.net Mon Dec 22 14:58:41 2008 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Mon Dec 22 14:59:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge References: <20081222.003315.15329.1@webmail15.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8ED5B661D0E04348B295FBB9F632E7C2@dennis38rxl3bv> HI Jim, I have the manual, but it probably wont help. The original needle arm length was ok, the newer one is slightly longer, so if you would try to readjust the tonearm in further inwards to the center of the turntable, it would then mis the record clamp arm when the tonearm drops down, but you would be droping down on about 2/3rd's of the record groove, not on the lead in groove. It is just too darn long, with the little flag on the end. I will do like rich mentioned, cut the flag off when time comes to fip the needle over. :-) Thanks-Dennis. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alexander" To: Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3600 cartridge > > There is a simple adjustment that will adjust the tone arm height so that > the stylus will not strike the gripper arm. From your description and > pix, it sounds like it is improperly set where a stylus change can't make > the clearance. > Do you have the service manual? I'll help you through it if you need > assistance. > Jim Alexander > ____________________________________________________________ > Go to massage therapy school and make up to $150/hour, click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8RbU4mG0jCJg6rsz48GXrS98VI7RLnNAeL6FvxCddrGeYzE/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 16:19:51 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 22 16:20:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "5 Channel Stereo" ?? Message-ID: <586026.58186.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Kin sombody Pleese,?'splain me dis" ??? Ebay # 200 289 155 903 Ron Rich From havok69 at verizon.net Mon Dec 22 17:19:12 2008 From: havok69 at verizon.net (Havok) Date: Mon Dec 22 17:20:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modern replacement speakers for STD160? Message-ID: <49503C90.50203@verizon.net> Once thing I would like to do with my Seeburg STD160 is refresh the sound performance. I will most likely pick up a cap kit to restore the amp, and am looking to pickup new speakers. The woofers especially are all dried out, and definitely need replacing. What would be the specs on a comparable new replacement for the woofer and horn tweeter? And, any suggestions on what models to pickup and where? From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 18:19:41 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Dec 22 18:20:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "5 Channel Stereo" ?? In-Reply-To: <586026.58186.qm@web111316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <473970.54319.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > Kin sombody Pleese, 'splain me dis" ??? Ebay # > 200 289 155 903 Ron Rich Well, my Row/AMI JAN-200 has has "3 Channel Stereo", in which (I assume) all in-phase audio is fed to the middle speaker in the cabinet. I suppose if the Seeburg had a similar arrangement, plus left and right remote speakers, the perverse mind of a copy writer could turn that by fiat into 5 channel stereo. "Yeah, five channels - just like Cinemascope!" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 20:22:50 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 22 20:23:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modern replacement speakers for STD160? Message-ID: <771658.42811.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> IMHO, replacing the speakers is absolutely the wrong thing to do, on any jukebox, but,?especially on that model. Those speakers are very specially tuned to that amp/cabinet combo. If you look at them, they both should be a different color (gray and black), and should be marked as to which side(door) they were designed for. If they are truly "bad", get them re-coned,? purchase a good original set, or use external speakers. If the tonearm is red, there is a 99.999 % chance that it needs replacement, along with the needles.??.--and as it says on the Seeburg needle pack, "for best reproduction--use only genuine Seeburg (Pickering) needles--".? Check, and change if needed, the caps on the upper speakers, If the amp is not a TSA-5 Code C, it should be updated--Ron Rich ? ? ? ? ? ? --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Havok wrote: From: Havok Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modern replacement speakers for STD160? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 5:19 PM Once thing I would like to do with my Seeburg STD160 is refresh the sound performance. I will most likely pick up a cap kit to restore the amp, and am looking to pickup new speakers. The woofers especially are all dried out, and definitely need replacing. What would be the specs on a comparable new replacement for the woofer and horn tweeter? And, any suggestions on what models to pickup and where? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 20:24:58 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 22 20:25:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "5 Channel Stereo" ?? Message-ID: <763428.8425.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dave, That ALMOST works???? LOL--Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/22/08, David Breneman wrote: From: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "5 Channel Stereo" ?? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 6:19 PM --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > Kin sombody Pleese, 'splain me dis" ??? Ebay # > 200 289 155 903 Ron Rich Well, my Row/AMI JAN-200 has has "3 Channel Stereo", in which (I assume) all in-phase audio is fed to the middle speaker in the cabinet.? I suppose if the Seeburg had a similar arrangement, plus left and right remote speakers, the perverse mind of a copy writer could turn that by fiat into 5 channel stereo. "Yeah, five channels - just like Cinemascope!" ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 20:32:59 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (ronnnrich@yahoo.com) Date: Mon Dec 22 20:34:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modern replacement speakers for STD160? Message-ID: <651986.12531.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sorry guys--I mis read the model # of this as "SS" not "STD"-160--- Most all applies, except for the "red tone arm", and speakers being colored, and "marked for the door"--Ron Rich ? IMHO, replacing the speakers is absolutely the wrong thing to do, on any jukebox, but,?especially on that model. Those speakers are very specially tuned to that amp/cabinet combo. If you will look at them, they both should be a different color (gray and black), and should be marked as to which side they were designed for. If they are truly "bad", get them re-coned,? purchase a good original set, or use external speakers. If the tonearm is red, there is a 99.999 % chance that it needs replacement, along with the needles.??.--and as it says on the Seeburg needle pack, "for best reproduction--use only genuine Seeburg (Pickering) needles--".? Check, and change if needed, the caps on the upper speakers, If the amp is not a TSA-5 Code C, it should be updated--Ron Rich ? ? ? ? ? ? --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Havok wrote: From: Havok Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modern replacement speakers for STD160? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 5:19 PM Once thing I would like to do with my Seeburg STD160 is refresh the sound performance. I will most likely pick up a cap kit to restore the amp, and am looking to pickup new speakers. The woofers especially are all dried out, and definitely need replacing. What would be the specs on a comparable new replacement for the woofer and horn tweeter? And, any suggestions on what models to pickup and where? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 21:20:50 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Dec 22 21:21:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modern replacement speakers for STD160? Message-ID: <916295.87949.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sorry guys--I mis read the model # of this as "SS" not "STD"-160--- Most all applies, except for the "red tone arm", and speakers being colored, and "marked for the door"--Ron Rich ? IMHO, replacing the speakers is absolutely the wrong thing to do, on any jukebox, but,?especially on that model. Those speakers are very specially tuned to that amp/cabinet combo. If you will look at them, they both should be a different color (gray and black), and should be marked as to which side they were designed for. If they are truly "bad", get them re-coned,? purchase a good original set, or use external speakers. If the tonearm is red, there is a 99.999 % chance that it needs replacement, along with the needles.??.--and as it says on the Seeburg needle pack, "for best reproduction--use only genuine Seeburg (Pickering) needles--".? Check, and change if needed, the caps on the upper speakers, If the amp is not a TSA-5 Code C, it should be updated--Ron Rich ? ? ? ? ? ? --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Havok wrote: From: Havok Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modern replacement speakers for STD160? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 5:19 PM Once thing I would like to do with my Seeburg STD160 is refresh the sound performance. I will most likely pick up a cap kit to restore the amp, and am looking to pickup new speakers. The woofers especially are all dried out, and definitely need replacing. What would be the specs on a comparable new replacement for the woofer and horn tweeter? And, any suggestions on what models to pickup and where? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Mon Dec 22 23:04:09 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Dec 22 23:05:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "5 Channel Stereo" ?? In-Reply-To: <473970.54319.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <473970.54319.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "5 Channel Stereo" ?? > > --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Hi All, >> Kin sombody Pleese, 'splain me dis" ??? Ebay # >> 200 289 155 903 Ron Rich > > Well, my Row/AMI JAN-200 has has "3 Channel Stereo", in which > (I assume) all in-phase audio is fed to the middle speaker in > the cabinet. I suppose if the Seeburg had a similar arrangement, > plus left and right remote speakers, the perverse mind of > a copy writer could turn that by fiat into 5 channel stereo. > "Yeah, five channels - just like Cinemascope!" > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 23 00:34:46 2008 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Tue Dec 23 00:35:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe jan200 molex mate n lock plug needed Message-ID: merry christmas all, I need the large mate n lock (molex) plug that goes on the front door (both pieces, male and female) on the left side of the front door for the selection circuit. I don't need the pins on the male plug, but I need a good tight socket set on the female jack side (mine are too sloppy/ enlarged). and has to have both locking tabs. thank you, rick. From jeremy at dwave.net Tue Dec 23 06:07:16 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Tue Dec 23 06:08:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Modern replacement speakers for STD160? In-Reply-To: <49503C90.50203@verizon.net> References: <49503C90.50203@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20081223135945.M52038@dwave.net> The STD-160 has the SHP amp in it. If you have any problems with this amp it can be dificult to troubleshoot. If you have problems, send it out or get Tony's book http://home.pacbell.net/fmillera/index.htm A cap kit is a great place to start though and when properly rebuilt they sound great. The tweeters usualy work just fine as they are. The woofers are a full range type and don't use the foam surround like modern subs. They may seem tight and dried out but if they are not torn I would leave them. For the extra range of sound you want I would add accessory speakers. The amp has plenty of power. I am sure a pair of vintage Seeburg distheque speakers would add great punch to your system. Keep us updated as to how it's going. Jeremy Agema On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:19:12 -0500, Havok wrote > Once thing I would like to do with my Seeburg STD160 is refresh the > sound performance. I will most likely pick up a cap kit to restore > the amp, and am looking to pickup new speakers. The woofers > especially are all dried out, and definitely need replacing. What > would be the specs on a comparable new replacement for the woofer > and horn tweeter? And, any suggestions on what models to pickup and where? > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Tue Dec 23 09:56:47 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Dec 23 09:57:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe jan200 molex mate n lock plug needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4951265F.2050908@telus.net> Rick Force wrote: > merry christmas all, > I need the large mate n lock (molex) plug that goes on the front door (both pieces, male and female) on the left side of the front door for the selection circuit. I don't need the pins on the male plug, but I need a good tight socket set on the female jack side (mine are too sloppy/ enlarged). and has to have both locking tabs. thank you, rick. > I do not have any of these by part number, but I thought that Rowe used either AMP or AMPHENOL plugs and not Molex. If you can send me a picture of the socket/plug you need I should have it in my spares box...only a few bucks each John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 14:13:49 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 23 14:16:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "5 Channel Stereo" ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <699156.91132.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Karl, What did you intend to say here??? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/22/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "5 Channel Stereo" ?? To: david_breneman@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 11:04 PM Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "5 Channel Stereo" ?? > > --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Hi All, >> Kin sombody Pleese, 'splain me dis" ??? Ebay # >> 200 289 155 903 Ron Rich > > Well, my Row/AMI JAN-200 has has "3 Channel Stereo", in which > (I assume) all in-phase audio is fed to the middle speaker in > the cabinet. I suppose if the Seeburg had a similar arrangement, > plus left and right remote speakers, the perverse mind of > a copy writer could turn that by fiat into 5 channel stereo. > "Yeah, five channels - just like Cinemascope!" > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Tue Dec 23 14:22:11 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Tue Dec 23 14:23:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] "5 Channel Stereo" ?? In-Reply-To: <699156.91132.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <699156.91132.qm@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nuttin.............it was a misclick.......hehehe. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "5 Channel Stereo" ?? Karl, What did you intend to say here ?? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/22/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "5 Channel Stereo" ?? To: david_breneman@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 11:04 PM Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] "5 Channel Stereo" ?? > > --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Ron Rich wrote: > >> Hi All, >> Kin sombody Pleese, 'splain me dis" ??? Ebay # >> 200 289 155 903 Ron Rich > > Well, my Row/AMI JAN-200 has has "3 Channel Stereo", in which > (I assume) all in-phase audio is fed to the middle speaker in > the cabinet. I suppose if the Seeburg had a similar arrangement, > plus left and right remote speakers, the perverse mind of > a copy writer could turn that by fiat into 5 channel stereo. > "Yeah, five channels - just like Cinemascope!" > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 15:30:26 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Tue Dec 23 15:48:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Merry Christmas & A Wurlitzer 800 Message-ID: <440806.73795.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anna and I hope everyone has a wonderful Christmas and a safe, Happy New Year! Let's hope the world's economy is better for all! Now the really important stuff! Santa found us a Wurlitzer 800. We had always kind of hid from them, through the years, because they are or at least seem so BIG. At this point who cares; we'll fit it in somewhere. If we get bunk beds we could fit in a couple more! The only catch it is in the back of my truck and I am such a weaky woo-woo anymore I cannot get it out. Lucky for me our nephew, the Army Infantry Sargent, is coming Christmas to help. That 428 pounder will be easy for him and I together. It has been in a private home for 35 years so it looks pretty darn good. it plays but still has the old horseshoe cartridge in the tonearm. Can't wait to really take a good look. For some reason it is missing the title board. I think I have an extra but That one is missing the wood portion. I will put some pictures up as soon as I get it unloaded. David (Almost In The Geritol Ghetto) From Jjmscf at aol.com Tue Dec 23 16:12:44 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 23 16:18:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Merry Christmas & A Wurlitzer 800 Message-ID: Merry Christmas! Can't wait to see the pictures. I have just converted a 24A to the Astatic 51 with the Volume control mod kit available from Victory glass and others and must say it sounds pretty darn good. I haven't made a new trip wire for it as the original won't work with much lighter tracking. I added the weights at the back of the tonearm that were in the front and got about 8 grams and it tracks pretty good unless you bump the jukebox itself but footfalls don't seem to effect it. I wonder if anyone who has modified theirs for lightweight tracking can show(in a link of course) how they made it trip at the much lighter weight? I'm getting a little tired of running the jukebox and hitting the reject button. Some records make an awful racket when the needle's repeating that leadout groove. I've read about making a new trip wire in Dr. Knowitall's Wurlitzer book but the picture mentioned in the article didn't make it to the book. J.C. p.s That should have read "running to the jukebox" not running the jukebox. In a message dated 12/23/2008 6:48:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dwaw12@yahoo.com writes: >Anna and I hope everyone has a wonderful Christmas and a safe, Happy New Year! Let's hope the >world's economy is better for all! >Now the really important stuff! Santa found us a Wurlitzer 800. We had always kind of hid from >them, through the years, because they are or at least seem so BIG. At this point who cares; we'll >fit it in somewhere. If we get bunk beds we could fit in a couple more! The only catch it is in the >back of my truck and I am such a weaky woo-woo anymore I cannot get it out. Lucky for me our >nephew, the Army Infantry Sargent, is coming Christmas to help. That 428 pounder will be easy >for him and I together. >It has been in a private home for 35 years so it looks pretty darn good. it plays but still has the >old horseshoe cartridge in the tonearm. Can't wait to really take a good look. For some reason it >is missing the title board. I think I have an extra but That one is missing the wood portion. >I will put some pictures up as soon as I get it unloaded. >David (Almost In The Geritol Ghetto) ____________________________________ One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. _Try it now_ (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) . **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Dec 23 16:30:25 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Dec 23 16:31:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Merry Christmas & A Wurlitzer 800 References: <440806.73795.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <74A63FC7F5D84F2FAB8A8B2F753EE45A@home1903> Yeah David, what a nice find....MERRY CHRISTMAS, that's a great gift!! I am thrilled, today I received my favorite Guy Lumbardo on 78...also a great gift! Enjoy, Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "david wendell" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:30 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Merry Christmas & A Wurlitzer 800 > Anna and I hope everyone has a wonderful Christmas and a safe, Happy New > Year! Let's hope the world's economy is better for all! > > Now the really important stuff! Santa found us a Wurlitzer 800. We had > always kind of hid from them, through the years, because they are or at > least seem so BIG. At this point who cares; we'll fit it in somewhere. > If we get bunk beds we could fit in a couple more! The only catch it is > in the back of my truck and I am such a weaky woo-woo anymore I cannot get > it out. Lucky for me our nephew, the Army Infantry Sargent, is coming > Christmas to help. That 428 pounder will be easy for him and I together. > > It has been in a private home for 35 years so it looks pretty darn good. > it plays but still has the old horseshoe cartridge in the tonearm. Can't > wait to really take a good look. For some reason it is missing the title > board. I think I have an extra but That one is missing the wood portion. > > I will put some pictures up as soon as I get it unloaded. > > David (Almost In The Geritol Ghetto) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Tue Dec 23 16:33:59 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Dec 23 16:35:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe jan200 molex mate n lock plug needed In-Reply-To: <4951265F.2050908@telus.net> References: <4951265F.2050908@telus.net> Message-ID: <49518377.5060708@west.net> John Robertson wrote: > Rick Force wrote: >> merry christmas all, >> I need the large mate n lock (molex) plug that goes on the front door >> (both pieces, male and female) on the left side of the front door for >> the selection circuit. I don't need the pins on the male plug, but I >> need a good tight socket set on the female jack side (mine are too >> sloppy/ enlarged). and has to have both locking tabs. thank you, rick. >> > > I do not have any of these by part number, but I thought that Rowe used > either AMP or AMPHENOL plugs and not Molex. Mate-N-Lock is a trademark of A-MP. If these are similar to the ones on the Continental with the rectangular angled pins, I think they've been discontinued for a while. Unless you find some in a dusty warehouse you might consider replacing both halves with current-production Molex. If they're like this, as far as I know they're unobtanium... http://www.west.net/~jay/images/connector.jpg -- -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Tue Dec 23 17:36:44 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Tue Dec 23 17:37:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Merry Christmas and an AMI G-200 In-Reply-To: <74A63FC7F5D84F2FAB8A8B2F753EE45A@home1903> Message-ID: <488306.92822.qm@web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Found a nice 1955 AMI G-200 The wife told me to go get it. It was a real steal! Funny thing is I got it home (it was not supposed to work) but when I tagged all the A side records pins it came to life.It appears it will need some serious adjustments to make it play correctly. I only found one 12AU7 tube that was bad in it and also someone recapped the ampIt will need a few cosmetic bits but other then that what a great sounding machine!Another addition to the Growing family of Jukes I have.?Regards, Tony __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Dec 23 17:41:35 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Dec 23 17:42:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Merry Christmas and an AMI G-200 References: <488306.92822.qm@web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1A6E253C23904532843A4E4801457514@home1903> Tony, posts some pics!! congrats, sounds like another great find.....it must be the Christmas Spirit helping out, Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Merry Christmas and an AMI G-200 Found a nice 1955 AMI G-200 The wife told me to go get it. It was a real steal! Funny thing is I got it home (it was not supposed to work) but when I tagged all the A side records pins it came to life.It appears it will need some serious adjustments to make it play correctly. I only found one 12AU7 tube that was bad in it and also someone recapped the ampIt will need a few cosmetic bits but other then that what a great sounding machine!Another addition to the Growing family of Jukes I have. Regards, Tony __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gibson510 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 23 19:23:16 2008 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Tue Dec 23 19:24:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] happy holidays Message-ID: Happy Holidays to all members and friends of the jukebox list, and wishing you all the best for 2009. Rick Murray _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 19:43:27 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 23 19:44:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Merry Christmas & A Wurlitzer 800 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <930745.80805.qm@web111309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> JC, Write to Harold--he's a good guy, and I'll bet he will send them to you ! Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: RE:[Jukebox-list] Merry Christmas & A Wurlitzer 800 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 4:12 PM Merry Christmas! Can't wait to see the pictures. I have just converted a 24A to the Astatic 51 with the Volume control mod kit available from Victory glass and others and must say it sounds pretty darn good. I haven't made a new trip wire for it as the original won't work with much lighter tracking. I added the weights at the back of the tonearm that were in the front and got about 8 grams and it tracks pretty good unless you bump the jukebox itself but footfalls don't seem to effect it. I wonder if anyone who has modified theirs for lightweight tracking can show(in a link of course) how they made it trip at the much lighter weight? I'm getting a little tired of running the jukebox and hitting the reject button. Some records make an awful racket when the needle's repeating that leadout groove. I've read about making a new trip wire in Dr. Knowitall's Wurlitzer book but the picture mentioned in the article didn't make it to the book. J.C. p.s That should have read "running to the jukebox" not running the jukebox. In a message dated 12/23/2008 6:48:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dwaw12@yahoo.com writes: >Anna and I hope everyone has a wonderful Christmas and a safe, Happy New Year! Let's hope the >world's economy is better for all! >Now the really important stuff! Santa found us a Wurlitzer 800. We had always kind of hid from >them, through the years, because they are or at least seem so BIG. At this point who cares; we'll >fit it in somewhere. If we get bunk beds we could fit in a couple more! The only catch it is in the >back of my truck and I am such a weaky woo-woo anymore I cannot get it out. Lucky for me our >nephew, the Army Infantry Sargent, is coming Christmas to help. That 428 pounder will be easy >for him and I together. >It has been in a private home for 35 years so it looks pretty darn good. it plays but still has the >old horseshoe cartridge in the tonearm. Can't wait to really take a good look. For some reason it >is missing the title board. I think I have an extra but That one is missing the wood portion. >I will put some pictures up as soon as I get it unloaded. >David (Almost In The Geritol Ghetto) ____________________________________ One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. _Try it now_ (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) .. **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 19:50:16 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 23 19:51:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe jan200 molex mate n lock plug needed In-Reply-To: <49518377.5060708@west.net> Message-ID: <937027.67395.qm@web111306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yep, as far as I know, those are "AMPLOCK" brand and are in fact, made of unobtanium--I just spent a few hours searching for some---TYCO would not even respond (although the company's Tech Support,?promised to "look in that dusty corner for them"). Anyone finds some NOS?pins--PLEASE let me know.?? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rowe jan200 molex mate n lock plug needed To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 4:33 PM John Robertson wrote: > Rick Force wrote: >> merry christmas all, >> I need the large mate n lock (molex) plug that goes on the front door (both pieces, male and female) on the left side of the front door for the selection circuit. I don't need the pins on the male plug, but I need a good tight socket set on the female jack side (mine are too sloppy/ enlarged). and has to have both locking tabs. thank you, rick. >> > > I do not have any of these by part number, but I thought that Rowe used either AMP or AMPHENOL plugs and not Molex. Mate-N-Lock is a trademark of A-MP. If these are similar to the ones on the Continental with the rectangular angled pins, I think they've been discontinued for a while. Unless you find some in a dusty warehouse you might consider replacing both halves with current-production Molex. If they're like this, as far as I know they're unobtanium... http://www.west.net/~jay/images/connector.jpg -- -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From 19k20 at comcast.net Tue Dec 23 20:19:14 2008 From: 19k20 at comcast.net (Ssg Rich Myers) Date: Tue Dec 23 20:20:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gram scale Message-ID: <001501c9657e$c80cb350$582619f0$@net> Does anyone have an old school gram scale for measuring tone arm tracking pressure they would be willing to part with? I have only been able to find weighing scales..and that aint gonna cut it. Contact me off list if anyone can help. Merry Christmas to all...and to all a good night. Rich From jay at west.net Tue Dec 23 21:54:12 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Dec 23 21:55:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gram scale In-Reply-To: <001501c9657e$c80cb350$582619f0$@net> References: <001501c9657e$c80cb350$582619f0$@net> Message-ID: <4951CE84.5070200@west.net> Ssg Rich Myers wrote: > Does anyone have an old school gram scale for measuring tone arm tracking > pressure they would be willing to part with? I have only been able to find > weighing scales..and that aint gonna cut it. My favorite is this one, made by PK Neuses. It's original design is for setting tension on telecommunications relays. Works very well, even on vertical tonearms like the Seeburg and Wurlitzer 1800-3200 series. Get the model N-10. http://www.pkneuses.com/spri.htm Available from Graybar Electric, and I think Victory Glass may also stock them. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 24 01:22:42 2008 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Wed Dec 24 01:23:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe jan200 molex mate n lock plug needed In-Reply-To: <4951265F.2050908@telus.net> <49518377.5060708@west.net> References: <4951265F.2050908@telus.net> <49518377.5060708@west.net> Message-ID: thank you all for the replies, the pins are round with a single tang that juts out to keep them in place. Rick. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rowe jan200 molex mate n lock plug needed John Robertson wrote: > Rick Force wrote: >> merry christmas all, >> I need the large mate n lock (molex) plug that goes on the front door >> (both pieces, male and female) on the left side of the front door for >> the selection circuit. I don't need the pins on the male plug, but I >> need a good tight socket set on the female jack side (mine are too >> sloppy/ enlarged). and has to have both locking tabs. thank you, rick. >> > > I do not have any of these by part number, but I thought that Rowe used > either AMP or AMPHENOL plugs and not Molex. Mate-N-Lock is a trademark of A-MP. If these are similar to the ones on the Continental with the rectangular angled pins, I think they've been discontinued for a while. Unless you find some in a dusty warehouse you might consider replacing both halves with current-production Molex. If they're like this, as far as I know they're unobtanium... http://www.west.net/~jay/images/connector.jpg -- -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 05:12:25 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Wed Dec 24 05:13:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 24 Select Trip With light Weight Tonearm Message-ID: <789382.10867.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> J.C. I have always (somehow) got my 24 select Wurlitzers to trip with light weight tonearms. It has been a while but looking at the parts manual I adjust 23152 "Catch Ratchet Trip" to where it just holds 35559 "Trip Support Assembly, Clutch" It then takes very little force to trip mechanism. On Part 24131 "Arm Assembly , Tonearm Trip" there is also a ratchet type catch or dog (part no 502) that works on the little grooves or serations in the top of the trip wire. As the trip grooves in the record cause the tonearm to go back and forth it keeps putting more pressure on the trip wire. We have had good luck doing this even with the reproduction vinyl records. I have seen some people construct or add an electric trip (such as the 1100 has) on some of the older machines. I am not a professional with these things; I just putz around with them so this may not work for everyone! Gotta go get some more Geritol after this! David (Geritol Ghetto Dweller) From lavin at cheqnet.net Wed Dec 24 05:52:47 2008 From: lavin at cheqnet.net (Sue and Dennis Lavin) Date: Wed Dec 24 05:53:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Merry Christmas Message-ID: Hello- Just want to wish everyone here on the list a Very Merry Christmas. Hope everyone is Happy and Well!! Dennis (Jukeboxdenny) in the frozen northland ! From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Wed Dec 24 06:49:32 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Wed Dec 24 06:50:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe jan200 molex mate n lock plug needed In-Reply-To: References: <4951265F.2050908@telus.net> <49518377.5060708@west.net> Message-ID: <003001c965d6$d52ca790$7f85f6b0$@force9.co.uk> Prior to the JAN, the pins and their sockets were rectangular as opposed to round. This was across the board on the Rowe range. The N was the changeover year. so if you try to retro fit any part (even the amps, which were the same apart from the connector style), they are different. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Rick Force Sent: 24 December 2008 09:23 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rowe jan200 molex mate n lock plug needed thank you all for the replies, the pins are round with a single tang that juts out to keep them in place. Rick. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Hennigan To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rowe jan200 molex mate n lock plug needed John Robertson wrote: > Rick Force wrote: >> merry christmas all, >> I need the large mate n lock (molex) plug that goes on the front door >> (both pieces, male and female) on the left side of the front door for >> the selection circuit. I don't need the pins on the male plug, but I >> need a good tight socket set on the female jack side (mine are too >> sloppy/ enlarged). and has to have both locking tabs. thank you, rick. >> > > I do not have any of these by part number, but I thought that Rowe used > either AMP or AMPHENOL plugs and not Molex. Mate-N-Lock is a trademark of A-MP. If these are similar to the ones on the Continental with the rectangular angled pins, I think they've been discontinued for a while. Unless you find some in a dusty warehouse you might consider replacing both halves with current-production Molex. If they're like this, as far as I know they're unobtanium... http://www.west.net/~jay/images/connector.jpg -- -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Wed Dec 24 07:04:23 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Dec 24 07:05:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 24 Select Trip With light Weight Tonearm In-Reply-To: <789382.10867.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <789382.10867.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49524F77.2080901@telus.net> david wendell wrote: > J.C. > > I have always (somehow) got my 24 select Wurlitzers to trip with light weight tonearms. It has been a while but looking at the parts manual I adjust 23152 "Catch Ratchet Trip" to where it just holds 35559 "Trip Support Assembly, Clutch" It then takes very little force to trip mechanism. On Part 24131 "Arm Assembly , Tonearm Trip" there is also a ratchet type catch or dog (part no 502) that works on the little grooves or serations in the top of the trip wire. As the trip grooves in the record cause the tonearm to go back and forth it keeps putting more pressure on the trip wire. > > We have had good luck doing this even with the reproduction vinyl records. > > I have seen some people construct or add an electric trip (such as the 1100 has) on some of the older machines. > > I am not a professional with these things; I just putz around with them so this may not work for everyone! Gotta go get some more Geritol after this! > > David (Geritol Ghetto Dweller) > > I devised a simple electronic trip for the M100A using a reed switch, a TRIAC, a couple of resistors and a capacitor. Will post the simple schematic and pictures in a couple of weeks once the holiday season is past (rather busy at the moment). This can be adapted to earlier machines by adding a coil to pull up on the trip lever similar to the system used for the 1100 trip. With this trip I could greatly reduce the tracking weight. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pinball at telus.net Wed Dec 24 07:06:24 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Dec 24 07:07:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gram scale In-Reply-To: <4951CE84.5070200@west.net> References: <001501c9657e$c80cb350$582619f0$@net> <4951CE84.5070200@west.net> Message-ID: <49524FF0.7020000@telus.net> Jay Hennigan wrote: > > Ssg Rich Myers wrote: >> Does anyone have an old school gram scale for measuring tone arm >> tracking >> pressure they would be willing to part with? I have only been able >> to find >> weighing scales..and that aint gonna cut it. > > My favorite is this one, made by PK Neuses. It's original design is > for setting tension on telecommunications relays. Works very well, > even on vertical tonearms like the Seeburg and Wurlitzer 1800-3200 > series. Get the model N-10. http://www.pkneuses.com/spri.htm > > Available from Graybar Electric, and I think Victory Glass may also > stock them. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > Great tool, we shall be selling them in the new year here in Canada. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From bobe at halted.com Wed Dec 24 08:06:28 2008 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Wed Dec 24 08:18:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gram scale Message-ID: <2.2.32.20081224160628.0098cc18@hsces.com> At 09:54 PM 12/23/2008 -0800, you wrote: >Ssg Rich Myers wrote: >> Does anyone have an old school gram scale for measuring tone arm tracking >> pressure they would be willing to part with? I have only been able to find >> weighing scales..and that aint gonna cut it. > >My favorite is this one, made by PK Neuses. It's original design is for >setting tension on telecommunications relays. Works very well, even on >vertical tonearms like the Seeburg and Wurlitzer 1800-3200 series. Get >the model N-10. http://www.pkneuses.com/spri.htm > >Available from Graybar Electric, and I think Victory Glass may also >stock them. There is also the Scherr-Tumico dynamometer like the one I use. It is a dial-reading gauge that has a high-point tell-tale needle so you don't need to read it while you are making the measurement. Stick it in under the cartridge even with the stylus tip, lift the tonearm, then take it out and look at the reading. I have a used one for Ron if he ever gets down this way! I've seen them on eBay, too. They have them in different ranges, the one I have goes up to 15 grams. http://www.gaging.com/dynamometers.htm Merry Christmas, everybody! --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From drjukebox at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 08:36:39 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Wed Dec 24 08:44:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 24 Select Trip With light Weight Tonearm In-Reply-To: <49524F77.2080901@telus.net> References: <789382.10867.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49524F77.2080901@telus.net> Message-ID: <3154d3690812240836k4a7ab892wff6df6793baf9085@mail.gmail.com> That would be the way to go - installing an electric trip like used in Wurlitzer 1100 with the Cobra tonearm. Then you could reduce needle pressure to your preference. Doesn't anybody sell the electric trip with a solenoid as a kit? Trashcans also used an electric trip mechanism. I always managed to get the trip to work on Wurlitzers with Astatic 51-2, but the lateral pressure on the lead-out grooves had to be high. Bending the original trip wire will never work, you will break it as it is hardened steel. The repros are easy to bend. You want a less steep angle to help the ratchet actuate the trip. Have a Merry Christmas all Jens On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 4:04 PM, John Robertson wrote: > david wendell wrote: > >> J.C. >> >> I have always (somehow) got my 24 select Wurlitzers to trip with light >> weight tonearms. It has been a while but looking at the parts manual I >> adjust 23152 "Catch Ratchet Trip" to where it just holds 35559 "Trip Support >> Assembly, Clutch" It then takes very little force to trip mechanism. On >> Part 24131 "Arm Assembly , Tonearm Trip" there is also a ratchet type catch >> or dog (part no 502) that works on the little grooves or serations in the >> top of the trip wire. As the trip grooves in the record cause the tonearm >> to go back and forth it keeps putting more pressure on the trip wire. >> >> We have had good luck doing this even with the reproduction vinyl records. >> >> I have seen some people construct or add an electric trip (such as the >> 1100 has) on some of the older machines. >> >> I am not a professional with these things; I just putz around with them so >> this may not work for everyone! Gotta go get some more Geritol after this! >> >> David (Geritol Ghetto Dweller) >> >> >> > I devised a simple electronic trip for the M100A using a reed switch, a > TRIAC, a couple of resistors and a capacitor. Will post the simple schematic > and pictures in a couple of weeks once the holiday season is past (rather > busy at the moment). > > This can be adapted to earlier machines by adding a coil to pull up on the > trip lever similar to the system used for the 1100 trip. > > With this trip I could greatly reduce the tracking weight. > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call > (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jay at west.net Wed Dec 24 09:04:20 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Dec 24 09:05:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe jan200 molex mate n lock plug needed In-Reply-To: References: <4951265F.2050908@telus.net> <49518377.5060708@west.net> Message-ID: <49526B94.6050209@west.net> Rick Force wrote: > thank you all for the replies, the pins are round with a single tang that juts out to keep them in place. Rick. Put up a photo and send a link to it. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 09:33:29 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 24 09:34:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gram scale In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20081224160628.0098cc18@hsces.com> Message-ID: <406928.2175.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey Bob, I forgot about that--see you next year !? BTW, I get a "failed" notice now when I attempt to contact you directly--will reply to this using both addresses--let me know if you get it-- Thanks, Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/24/08, Bob Ellingson wrote: From: Bob Ellingson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Gram scale To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 8:06 AM At 09:54 PM 12/23/2008 -0800, you wrote: >Ssg Rich Myers wrote: >> Does anyone have an old school gram scale for measuring tone arm tracking >> pressure they would be willing to part with? I have only been able to find >> weighing scales..and that aint gonna cut it. > >My favorite is this one, made by PK Neuses. It's original design is for >setting tension on telecommunications relays. Works very well, even on >vertical tonearms like the Seeburg and Wurlitzer 1800-3200 series. Get >the model N-10. http://www.pkneuses.com/spri.htm > >Available from Graybar Electric, and I think Victory Glass may also >stock them. There is also the Scherr-Tumico dynamometer like the one I use. It is a dial-reading gauge that has a high-point tell-tale needle so you don't need to read it while you are making the measurement. Stick it in under the cartridge even with the stylus tip, lift the tonearm, then take it out and look at the reading. I have a used one for Ron if he ever gets down this way! I've seen them on eBay, too. They have them in different ranges, the one I have goes up to 15 grams. http://www.gaging.com/dynamometers.htm Merry Christmas, everybody! --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tjmertz at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 23 07:31:48 2008 From: tjmertz at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Mertz) Date: Wed Dec 24 09:37:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Christmas Mixes Message-ID: <284504.13580.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings for the the Season ? Here are some links to download three Christmas mixes -- Rock-A-Billy Christmas 1, Rock-A-Billy Christmas 2 and Moods of Christmas.? The Rock-A-Billy ones are what they say (loosely defined); a third is in the works.? The Moods is just some less Rockin' but still cool things that have caught my ear this year.? All three are Zip archives, with covers (pdf), play lists...You can open with 7-Zip or another utility: http://www.7-zip.org/ ? To download, go to the pages and follow instructions of click the link. ? Rock-A-Billy 1 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=P07MC5NX ? Rock-A-Billy 2 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YRFDRVZS ? Moods http://www.orbitfiles.com/users/tjmertz?(click on the link) ? It takes a little time to download, but should be worth it. ? HAPPY HOLIDAYS to one and all. ? TJ ? Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocating on?Madison Public Schools From pinball at telus.net Wed Dec 24 09:36:24 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Dec 24 09:37:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gram scale In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20081224160628.0098cc18@hsces.com> References: <2.2.32.20081224160628.0098cc18@hsces.com> Message-ID: <49527318.3090906@telus.net> Bob Ellingson wrote: > At 09:54 PM 12/23/2008 -0800, you wrote: > >> Ssg Rich Myers wrote: >> >>> Does anyone have an old school gram scale for measuring tone arm tracking >>> pressure they would be willing to part with? I have only been able to find >>> weighing scales..and that aint gonna cut it. >>> >> My favorite is this one, made by PK Neuses. It's original design is for >> setting tension on telecommunications relays. Works very well, even on >> vertical tonearms like the Seeburg and Wurlitzer 1800-3200 series. Get >> the model N-10. http://www.pkneuses.com/spri.htm >> >> Available from Graybar Electric, and I think Victory Glass may also >> stock them. >> > > There is also the Scherr-Tumico dynamometer like the one I use. It is a > dial-reading gauge that has a high-point tell-tale needle so you don't need > to read it while you are making the measurement. Stick it in under the > cartridge even with the stylus tip, lift the tonearm, then take it out and > look at the reading. I have a used one for Ron if he ever gets down this > way! I've seen them on eBay, too. They have them in different ranges, the > one I have goes up to 15 grams. > > http://www.gaging.com/dynamometers.htm > > Merry Christmas, everybody! > > --Bob > Those are very good for tone arms that sit on the record, however for Seeburgs, and double-sided Wurlitzer players (1200 - 1650) you need a gram scale that reads sideways. The PK Neuses scale reads in any direction and thus is the best for that job, plus they are a fraction of the cost... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From bobe at halted.com Wed Dec 24 09:41:21 2008 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Wed Dec 24 09:53:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gram scale Message-ID: <2.2.32.20081224174121.009acd70@hsces.com> At 09:36 AM 12/24/2008 -0800, you wrote: > >Those are very good for tone arms that sit on the record, however for >Seeburgs, and double-sided Wurlitzer players (1200 - 1650) you need a >gram scale that reads sideways. The PK Neuses scale reads in any >direction and thus is the best for that job, plus they are a fraction of >the cost... They will read in any direction including upside-down, and can read in push- or pull-mode. It works on Seeburgs just fine. Plus I got mine for free... --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 09:59:33 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 24 10:00:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gram scale In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20081224174121.009acd70@hsces.com> Message-ID: <672776.21743.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob, Izthat why you are going to charge me doubbbble for it ----?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/24/08, Bob Ellingson wrote: From: Bob Ellingson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Gram scale To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 9:41 AM At 09:36 AM 12/24/2008 -0800, you wrote: > >Those are very good for tone arms that sit on the record, however for >Seeburgs, and double-sided Wurlitzer players (1200 - 1650) you need a >gram scale that reads sideways. The PK Neuses scale reads in any >direction and thus is the best for that job, plus they are a fraction of >the cost... They will read in any direction including upside-down, and can read in push- or pull-mode. It works on Seeburgs just fine. Plus I got mine for free... --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Wed Dec 24 10:54:11 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 24 11:01:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 24 Select Trip With light Weight Tonearm Message-ID: Thanks that would be appreciated.The electric trip seems like the way to go so I can keep it tracking light.I've got a few 78s I paid a pretty penny to get. I'm putting up with hitting the reject button because I just had to play my Christmas 78s I've aquired so far.The juke still needs cosmetic work(mainly veneer repair) but at least it's playing with a rebuilt amp.I even found a strong pair of coke bottle 6L6s to make the amp tube complement look authentic. I need to find a less worn copy of Gene Autry's " Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer" Mine's pretty noisy. Maybe Santa will bring one...lol.I won a nicer one on ebay once but it arrived broken thanks to poor packing. Do you know anyone that's good at faux woodgrain? The faux woodgrain burl veneer metal title door could stand repainting also. J.C. In a message dated 12/24/2008 10:05:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pinball@telus.net writes: devised a simple electronic trip for the M100A using a reed switch, a TRIAC, a couple of resistors and a capacitor. Will post the simple schematic and pictures in a couple of weeks once the holiday season is past (rather busy at the moment). This can be adapted to earlier machines by adding a coil to pull up on the trip lever similar to the system used for the 1100 trip. With this trip I could greatly reduce the tracking weight. John :-#)# **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From bobe at halted.com Wed Dec 24 12:07:29 2008 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Wed Dec 24 12:19:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gram scale Message-ID: <2.2.32.20081224200729.009842f8@hsces.com> At 10:19 PM 12/23/2008 -0600, you wrote: >Does anyone have an old school gram scale for measuring tone arm tracking >pressure they would be willing to part with? I have only been able to find >weighing scales..and that aint gonna cut it. > Here is one for $35 Buy-it-now!!! Race for the mouse-button....and they're off! eBay item # 260 291 269 275 --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From pat2355 at aol.com Wed Dec 24 12:35:03 2008 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 24 12:47:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Dear Santa, In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB341E3BB4FAF6-16D0-F57@WEBMAIL-DY38.sysops.aol.com> Dear Santa, Obviously someone important is pretty unhappy with our business as usual financial practices and perhaps they'll get stockings full of coal to heat their fancy mansions. For the rest of us I guess we'd just like a little peace on earth, happiness for our friends and families. I know you realize the importance of joy to the world and how helpful a rockin' jukebox can be when folks gather together. Since you have worldwide connections and know everyplace inside and out... Think of how helpful newly discovered hoards of jukebox and game ephemra could be. Everything from 45 rpm& 78 rpm records, trim and mech pieces, games , tubes , needles and gameroom decorations to delight both young and old. I guess I'm trying to say, "Johnny B Goode" and we'll be, "Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree" so here hopin' for all to have a ," Merry Little Christmas". Pat, Roxy, & Charlie Costello Sea WA From aaron at vertasource.com Wed Dec 24 13:59:31 2008 From: aaron at vertasource.com (Aaron Heverin) Date: Wed Dec 24 13:56:09 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] All the best for the Holiday Season Message-ID: <20081224165969.SM03352@[192.168.1.206]> Merry Christmas everyone! All the best for the New Year! Hope 2009 brings new jukebox projects to keep all of us jolly!!! Aaron From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Wed Dec 24 14:28:30 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Wed Dec 24 14:29:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 24 Select Trip With light Weight Tonearm References: Message-ID: <003a01c96616$f390b330$6101a8c0@Dirksen> You should be able to make it trip OK without installing an electric trip mechanism. Even if you lucked into an NOS kit made for this, you'll find it is a PIA anyway adding switches, brackets, shielded cable in that tight area of the mech. Then you'll probably be cursing a "pop" through the speaker at reject. The angle of the original trip wire is too steep and needs to be at least half what it is. I've made new ones out of ordinary coat hanger wire, but the original one is threaded and has a "flat" ground on the side so it's much easier to fine tune. I much prefer to modify the original trip wire. It is hardened and will break if you try to bend it, but put it in a vise, heat it up cherry red with a propane torch and it will bend with ease. Once you get the wire bent, you may find you can't adjust it "in" far enough - I've had to cut off part of the threads with a dremel so it will move in farther. Also make sure the roller under the tonearm is clean and lubed. Like any modification, this requires a bit of trial and error - don't panic if you have to bend it 2-3 times. Good luck, Jim Dirksen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 24 Select Trip With light Weight Tonearm > Thanks that would be appreciated.The electric trip seems like the way to > go > so I can keep it tracking light.I've got a few 78s I paid a pretty penny > to > get. I'm putting up with hitting the reject button because I just had to > play my Christmas 78s I've aquired so far.The juke still needs cosmetic > work(mainly veneer repair) but at least it's playing with a rebuilt amp.I > even found > a strong pair of coke bottle 6L6s to make the amp tube complement look > authentic. I need to find a less worn copy of Gene Autry's " Rudolph The > Red Nosed > Reindeer" Mine's pretty noisy. Maybe Santa will bring one...lol.I won a > nicer > one on ebay once but it arrived broken thanks to poor packing. > > Do you know anyone that's good at faux woodgrain? The faux woodgrain burl > veneer metal title door could stand repainting also. > > J.C. > > > In a message dated 12/24/2008 10:05:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > pinball@telus.net writes: > > devised a simple electronic trip for the M100A using a reed switch, a > TRIAC, a couple of resistors and a capacitor. Will post the simple > schematic and pictures in a couple of weeks once the holiday season is > past (rather busy at the moment). > > This can be adapted to earlier machines by adding a coil to pull up on > the trip lever similar to the system used for the 1100 trip. > > With this trip I could greatly reduce the tracking weight. > > John :-#)# > > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From Jjmscf at aol.com Wed Dec 24 15:30:20 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 24 15:37:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 24 Select Trip With light Weight Tonearm Message-ID: Can this be done with a repro trip wire as I have no trip wire at all?or should I just make one out of coat hanger wire? the trip wire was missing when I got the jukebox.The rest of the trip mechanism is there. J.C. In a message dated 12/24/2008 5:30:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dirksenj@bellsouth.net writes: >You should be able to make it trip OK without installing an electric trip >mechanism. Even if you lucked into an NOS kit made for this, you'll find it >is a PIA anyway adding switches, brackets, shielded cable in that tight area >of the mech. Then you'll probably be cursing a "pop" through the speaker at >reject. >The angle of the original trip wire is too steep and needs to be at least >half what it is. I've made new ones out of ordinary coat hanger wire, but >the original one is threaded and has a "flat" ground on the side so it's >much easier to fine tune. I much prefer to modify the original trip wire. It >is hardened and will break if you try to bend it, but put it in a vise, heat >it up cherry red with a propane torch and it will bend with ease. Once you >get the wire bent, you may find you can't adjust it "in" far enough - I've >had to cut off part of the threads with a dremel so it will move in farther. >Also make sure the roller under the tonearm is clean and lubed. Like any >modification, this requires a bit of trial and error - don't panic if you >have to bend it 2-3 times. Good luck, **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid =aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Wed Dec 24 16:57:04 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Wed Dec 24 16:58:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 24 Select Trip With light Weight Tonearm References: Message-ID: <000501c9662b$b4a15a70$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I've not seen the repro trip wire, but I would imagine you could still do it. Try the coat hanger wire first - you can do it tonight and show Santa. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 24 Select Trip With light Weight Tonearm > Can this be done with a repro trip wire as I have no trip wire at all?or > should I just make one out of coat hanger wire? the trip wire was missing > when I > got the jukebox.The rest of the trip mechanism is there. > > J.C. > > > > > In a message dated 12/24/2008 5:30:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dirksenj@bellsouth.net writes: > >>You should be able to make it trip OK without installing an electric trip >>mechanism. Even if you lucked into an NOS kit made for this, you'll find >>it >>is a PIA anyway adding switches, brackets, shielded cable in that tight > area >>of the mech. Then you'll probably be cursing a "pop" through the speaker >>at >>reject. > >>The angle of the original trip wire is too steep and needs to be at least >>half what it is. I've made new ones out of ordinary coat hanger wire, but >>the original one is threaded and has a "flat" ground on the side so it's >>much easier to fine tune. I much prefer to modify the original trip wire. > It >>is hardened and will break if you try to bend it, but put it in a vise, > heat >>it up cherry red with a propane torch and it will bend with ease. Once >>you >>get the wire bent, you may find you can't adjust it "in" far enough - >>I've >>had to cut off part of the threads with a dremel so it will move in > farther. >>Also make sure the roller under the tonearm is clean and lubed. Like any >>modification, this requires a bit of trial and error - don't panic if you >>have to bend it 2-3 times. Good luck, > > > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid > =aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 05:01:51 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Fri Dec 26 05:03:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 Message-ID: <477649.93315.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone, We hope your Christmas was wonderful and your weather is not too bad or at least ready to improve. Until a week or so ago it had been almost 90 days since we had rain in Phoenix. It has been welcome! I could not figure out waht it was, at first, but then I remembered RAIN! We finally got Santa to get the Wurlitzer 800 out of the truck safely. Here are some PICS of how it now sits. We intend to make it as nice as possible and retain as much of its originality as possible. It resided in a private home for 35 years so that was good. The castings have been replated already, Whoopee! I was a bit dismayed when the owner mentioned it has worked perfectly without lubrication for all those years. Has anyone heard if Loots is having the annual 16% sale in 2009? It is missing the title board but I do have an extra without the wood insert. If anyone has the wood part for sale I am interested! I have the tonearm and covers not shown in the pictures. David (In the Geritol Ghetto) http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-031S.JPG http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-032S.JPG http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-041S.JPG http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-042S.JPG From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Dec 26 06:37:33 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Dec 26 06:38:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 In-Reply-To: <477649.93315.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <477649.93315.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081226143632.M11615@dwave.net> Wow, David that is one neat find! I am sure it will work out just great for you. Jeremy Agema On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 05:01:51 -0800 (PST), david wendell wrote > Hi Everyone, > > We hope your Christmas was wonderful and your weather is not too bad > or at least ready to improve. Until a week or so ago it had been > almost 90 days since we had rain in Phoenix. It has been welcome! > I could not figure out waht it was, at first, but then I remembered > RAIN! > > We finally got Santa to get the Wurlitzer 800 out of the truck > safely. Here are some PICS of how it now sits. We intend to make > it as nice as possible and retain as much of its originality as > possible. It resided in a private home for 35 years so that was > good. The castings have been replated already, Whoopee! I was a > bit dismayed when the owner mentioned it has worked perfectly > without lubrication for all those years. > > Has anyone heard if Loots is having the annual 16% sale in 2009? > > It is missing the title board but I do have an extra without the > wood insert. If anyone has the wood part for sale I am interested! > I have the tonearm and covers not shown in the pictures. > > David (In the Geritol Ghetto) > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-031S.JPG > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-032S.JPG > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-041S.JPG > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-042S.JPG > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Fri Dec 26 10:10:53 2008 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Fri Dec 26 10:14:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Missing manual page Message-ID: <3AF76AD158E74889A9E70175DCAD7418@DFLXW121> I am missing page 604 from my NSM City IV manual. It is NSM Part no. 209 387 dated 10/87. In my manual, page 603 is printed on both sides of the sheet of paper instead of having 603/604. Page 603 describes the display and keyboard. I'm not sure what should be on page 604. Does anyone have an NSM City IV manual with page 604 that they can scan for me? Thanks! Jon Scaptura Binghamton Radio Online http://www.binghamtonradio.com From tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 26 10:33:53 2008 From: tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net (mike) Date: Fri Dec 26 10:35:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 References: <477649.93315.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7918B32A7E814758819CA8CECE922BCC@main> Hi Dave - welcome to the W800 club! I thought I would post some pics of mine as well. My pilasters were dark brown and I bleached them to a nearly ivory white. They have yellowed nicely since. I also restored the color to the center amber plastic. Does yours have the often missing red plastic "now playing" indicators on the keyboard? I think they were the first thing to go when getting serviced. When I got mine I embarked on such little details and paid a fortune for a complete set that appeared on eBay. They are rare and hard to find. But I didnt stop there. I also bought the 125 kit to add a remote wallbox to it. You can see where that project is now. : ( http://www.miketyler.net/juke/w800.jpg http://www.miketyler.net/juke/w800a.jpg http://www.miketyler.net/juke/w125.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: "david wendell" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 7:01 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 > Hi Everyone, > > We hope your Christmas was wonderful and your weather is not too bad or at > least ready to improve. Until a week or so ago it had been almost 90 days > since we had rain in Phoenix. It has been welcome! I could not figure > out waht it was, at first, but then I remembered RAIN! > > We finally got Santa to get the Wurlitzer 800 out of the truck safely. > Here are some PICS of how it now sits. We intend to make it as nice as > possible and retain as much of its originality as possible. It resided in > a private home for 35 years so that was good. The castings have been > replated already, Whoopee! I was a bit dismayed when the owner mentioned > it has worked perfectly without lubrication for all those years. > > Has anyone heard if Loots is having the annual 16% sale in 2009? > > It is missing the title board but I do have an extra without the wood > insert. If anyone has the wood part for sale I am interested! I have the > tonearm and covers not shown in the pictures. > > David (In the Geritol Ghetto) > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-031S.JPG > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-032S.JPG > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-041S.JPG > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-042S.JPG > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 11:24:56 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Dec 26 11:26:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 In-Reply-To: <477649.93315.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <237544.15570.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It looks like cosmetically it's in really good shape. If that's the original finish I wouldn't touch it. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 11:39:31 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Fri Dec 26 11:40:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 In-Reply-To: <7C314E5528C34DC49F296C441D04EFB1@JeffsR61i> Message-ID: <767670.81221.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff, It is the one from Gold Canyon. The last time I was out at Superstition Mountain Jacob Walsh (Lost Dutchman Gold Mine) was still wandering around out there with his burro. Glad I had a GPS or I would be still wandering around out there too. Lots of new homes, sorry to see the mountain going. David (Geritol Ghetto) --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Jeff Zurn wrote: > From: Jeff Zurn > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 > To: dwaw12@yahoo.com > Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 11:44 AM > David, > Is your new addition from Gold Canyon? > > Jeff Zurn > Arizona Jukebox Company > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "david > wendell" > To: "jukebox list" > > Sent: 12/26/2008 6:01 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > We hope your Christmas was wonderful and your weather > is not too bad or at least ready to improve. Until a week > or so ago it had been almost 90 days since we had rain in > Phoenix. It has been welcome! I could not figure out waht > it was, at first, but then I remembered RAIN! > > > > We finally got Santa to get the Wurlitzer 800 out of > the truck safely. Here are some PICS of how it now sits. We > intend to make it as nice as possible and retain as much of > its originality as possible. It resided in a private home > for 35 years so that was good. The castings have been > replated already, Whoopee! I was a bit dismayed when the > owner mentioned it has worked perfectly without lubrication > for all those years. > > > > Has anyone heard if Loots is having the annual 16% > sale in 2009? > > > > It is missing the title board but I do have an extra > without the wood insert. If anyone has the wood part for > sale I am interested! I have the tonearm and covers not > shown in the pictures. > > > > David (In the Geritol Ghetto) > > > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-031S.JPG > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-032S.JPG > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-041S.JPG > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-042S.JPG > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 12:08:17 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Fri Dec 26 12:09:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 Message-ID: <839548.74942.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike and Jeremy, Ron, Jeff, David, Mike, Thank you for the pictures! Great looking machine. That gives us a goal to try for. I am just getting to know the 800; we had a 700 about 30 years ago. I plan to leave the appearance much as it came. I think it is the original finish so it will stay with that. The interior has silver panels but I like the green much better. The silver was added by the last owner so it is not the original. It does have the red gizmos that kind of pop up when a selection is made. I haven't investigated that much except they do pop up when a key is depresed. My green plastics are not so green anymore. I guess we just live with that. I have looked at the mechanism now and everything looks OK. I had a 600 that had grooves worn into the rollers, all the way through (It had been in Mexico). I did not even find a flat spot on these but I will take the mechanism out for cleaning and lubrication. I believe the owner when he said lubrication had never been done in the years he owned it. I was happy to find a nice, original reconed speaker and rebuilt (well, almost rebuilt) amp in the machine. Thanks again for the pictures! David (Geritol Person) --- On Fri, 12/26/08, mike wrote: > From: mike > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 11:33 AM > Hi Dave - welcome to the W800 club! > > I thought I would post some pics of mine as well. My > pilasters were dark brown and I bleached them to a nearly > ivory white. They have yellowed nicely since. I also > restored the color to the center amber plastic. > > Does yours have the often missing red plastic "now > playing" indicators on the keyboard? I think they were > the first thing to go when getting serviced. When I got mine > I embarked on such little details and paid a fortune for a > complete set that appeared on eBay. They are rare and hard > to find. But I didnt stop there. I also bought the 125 kit > to add a remote wallbox to it. > > You can see where that project is now. : ( > > http://www.miketyler.net/juke/w800.jpg > http://www.miketyler.net/juke/w800a.jpg > http://www.miketyler.net/juke/w125.jpg > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "david > wendell" > To: "jukebox list" > > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 7:01 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > We hope your Christmas was wonderful and your weather > is not too bad or at least ready to improve. Until a week > or so ago it had been almost 90 days since we had rain in > Phoenix. It has been welcome! I could not figure out waht > it was, at first, but then I remembered RAIN! > > > > We finally got Santa to get the Wurlitzer 800 out of > the truck safely. Here are some PICS of how it now sits. We > intend to make it as nice as possible and retain as much of > its originality as possible. It resided in a private home > for 35 years so that was good. The castings have been > replated already, Whoopee! I was a bit dismayed when the > owner mentioned it has worked perfectly without lubrication > for all those years. > > > > Has anyone heard if Loots is having the annual 16% > sale in 2009? > > > > It is missing the title board but I do have an extra > without the wood insert. If anyone has the wood part for > sale I am interested! I have the tonearm and covers not > shown in the pictures. > > > > David (In the Geritol Ghetto) > > > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-031S.JPG > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-032S.JPG > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-041S.JPG > > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-042S.JPG > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeffzurn at cox.net Fri Dec 26 12:46:15 2008 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Fri Dec 26 12:47:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 In-Reply-To: <767670.81221.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <767670.81221.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <35C6A886E3AD4AFC928518459B6D411C@GAMEROOMZ> I spoke with Steve at length about this 800. I've been trying to hook him up with a Canadian buyer - glad to hear you snagged it. I think this may have come out of Bill Butterfield's hands in the past... Enjoy! Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "david wendell" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 > Jeff, > > It is the one from Gold Canyon. The last time I was out at Superstition > Mountain Jacob Walsh (Lost Dutchman Gold Mine) was still wandering around > out there with his burro. Glad I had a GPS or I would be still wandering > around out there too. Lots of new homes, sorry to see the mountain going. > > David (Geritol Ghetto) > > --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Jeff Zurn wrote: > >> From: Jeff Zurn >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 >> To: dwaw12@yahoo.com >> Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 11:44 AM >> David, >> Is your new addition from Gold Canyon? >> >> Jeff Zurn >> Arizona Jukebox Company >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "david >> wendell" >> To: "jukebox list" >> >> Sent: 12/26/2008 6:01 AM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 >> >> >> > Hi Everyone, >> > >> > We hope your Christmas was wonderful and your weather >> is not too bad or at least ready to improve. Until a week >> or so ago it had been almost 90 days since we had rain in >> Phoenix. It has been welcome! I could not figure out waht >> it was, at first, but then I remembered RAIN! >> > >> > We finally got Santa to get the Wurlitzer 800 out of >> the truck safely. Here are some PICS of how it now sits. We >> intend to make it as nice as possible and retain as much of >> its originality as possible. It resided in a private home >> for 35 years so that was good. The castings have been >> replated already, Whoopee! I was a bit dismayed when the >> owner mentioned it has worked perfectly without lubrication >> for all those years. >> > >> > Has anyone heard if Loots is having the annual 16% >> sale in 2009? >> > >> > It is missing the title board but I do have an extra >> without the wood insert. If anyone has the wood part for >> sale I am interested! I have the tonearm and covers not >> shown in the pictures. >> > >> > David (In the Geritol Ghetto) >> > >> > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-031S.JPG >> > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-032S.JPG >> > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-041S.JPG >> > http://members.cox.net/dwendell/MVC-042S.JPG >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jalexandercc at netzero.net Fri Dec 26 14:10:14 2008 From: jalexandercc at netzero.net (James Alexander) Date: Fri Dec 26 14:12:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 800 Message-ID: <20081226.171014.2099.0@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> Hello David: Good luck on your W800 find. Cosmetically, it looks to be in very nice condition. Enjoy! and Happy New Year. Jim Alexander ____________________________________________________________ Visa, MasterCard, AMEX & Discover. Compare Offers & Apply Online. Click here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9KFNr5Uslqk0OCoc7xKLGaVrb6sYyAC3bXt9Ri6HXzkMgFY/ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Fri Dec 26 19:48:57 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 26 19:56:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Nice guy alert: ROY DEAN. Message-ID: <8CB35ED2E401B6A-D48-17FD@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> Nice guy and a good businessman. Thank you for the part. From roger.young at sympatico.ca Sat Dec 27 07:03:10 2008 From: roger.young at sympatico.ca (Roger Young) Date: Sat Dec 27 08:07:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transporting jukebox... Message-ID: <89383674EEA34FDBA57C5D68B4B3F063@rod> Hi: Hoping you can help with some info. Saw your earlier message on the Internet. I have just bought a used Rowe AMI bubbler jukebox (holds 100 CD's; made about 6 years ago) and need to transport it about 500 miles. I am hoping to do this laying it on its back in my Jeep. A couple of questions. Is it safe and OK to transport this way? Would this machine have bolts that tighten the play mechanism down? I assume that I should remove all CD's before tipping it over. Also, I need to get this down a fairly narrow stairway to a basement games room. Can the front door be easily removed, and carried down separately? Seems to me that would make risk of damaging tubes or marking it up less likely, and the machine would be narrower and less heavy going down the steps. Thanks for any helpful info you could supply. Much appreciated. Kind regards and Happy New Year/ Roger Young E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11420 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 08:39:16 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Sat Dec 27 08:40:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transporting jukebox... In-Reply-To: <89383674EEA34FDBA57C5D68B4B3F063@rod> References: <89383674EEA34FDBA57C5D68B4B3F063@rod> Message-ID: For transportation, I'd highly recommend taking the mech out of the jukebox before laying it on it's back. Just a few plugs to disconnect, and it lifts right out of the jukebox. As long as you carry it in an upright position, you will not need to remove the CD's. I do not know about the front door... On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Roger Young wrote: > Hi: > > Hoping you can help with some info. Saw your earlier message on the > Internet. > > I have just bought a used Rowe AMI bubbler jukebox (holds 100 CD's; made > about 6 years ago) and need to transport it about 500 miles. I am hoping to > do this laying it on its back in my Jeep. A couple of questions. > > Is it safe and OK to transport this way? Would this machine have bolts that > tighten the play mechanism down? I assume that I should remove all CD's > before tipping it over. > > Also, I need to get this down a fairly narrow stairway to a basement games > room. Can the front door be easily removed, and carried down separately? > Seems to me that would make risk of damaging tubes or marking it up less > likely, and the machine would be narrower and less heavy going down the > steps. > > Thanks for any helpful info you could supply. Much appreciated. > > Kind regards and Happy New Year/ > > Roger Young > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11420 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 09:31:48 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Dec 27 09:32:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transporting jukebox... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <620200.23189.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I agree with Thomas--but would add--be SURE that the amplifier "locking" screws are installed (or remove the amp). Also be sure that everything else?is tightened down so that it can not "fly around".? As for the door--I don't know either--but it might cause more problems then it's worth--I would just make sure it's locked. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/27/08, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Transporting jukebox... To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 8:39 AM For transportation, I'd highly recommend taking the mech out of the jukebox before laying it on it's back. Just a few plugs to disconnect, and it lifts right out of the jukebox. As long as you carry it in an upright position, you will not need to remove the CD's. I do not know about the front door... On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Roger Young wrote: > Hi: > > Hoping you can help with some info. Saw your earlier message on the > Internet. > > I have just bought a used Rowe AMI bubbler jukebox (holds 100 CD's; made > about 6 years ago) and need to transport it about 500 miles. I am hoping to > do this laying it on its back in my Jeep. A couple of questions. > > Is it safe and OK to transport this way? Would this machine have bolts that > tighten the play mechanism down? I assume that I should remove all CD's > before tipping it over. > > Also, I need to get this down a fairly narrow stairway to a basement games > room. Can the front door be easily removed, and carried down separately? > Seems to me that would make risk of damaging tubes or marking it up less > likely, and the machine would be narrower and less heavy going down the > steps. > > Thanks for any helpful info you could supply. Much appreciated. > > Kind regards and Happy New Year/ > > Roger Young > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11420 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Sat Dec 27 09:47:37 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Dec 27 09:48:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Transporting jukebox... In-Reply-To: <89383674EEA34FDBA57C5D68B4B3F063@rod> References: <89383674EEA34FDBA57C5D68B4B3F063@rod> Message-ID: <49566A39.7070005@telus.net> Hi Roger, Sorry, I am not an expert on Rowe CD machines - however every brand that I have see so far has a method of securing the mechanism (usually floating on springs) using from two to four bolts. The old 45 Rowes had these bolts (2) on the left and right side of the base of the mechanism frame. If you find them could you please send me a couple of pictures of the securing bolts so I can update my web site to helpfolks in the future? I do not know if you can easily remove the door - depends it the cables for the wiring are plugged in and can separate the electricals of the door from the cabinet easily. You can usually remove the mechanism from the jukebox to reduce handling weight for going up/down stairs... John :-#)# PS, if you are posting to the mail list AND to a person please let them know when you send the email! Better to post directly to the list and then if no one responds you can pop an email to the individuals that you think might be able to help. Do recall that we are all volunteers on the mail list even though some of us run businesses related to Jukeboxes... JR Roger Young wrote: > Hi: > > Hoping you can help with some info. Saw your earlier message on the Internet. > > I have just bought a used Rowe AMI bubbler jukebox (holds 100 CD's; made about 6 years ago) and need to transport it about 500 miles. I am hoping to do this laying it on its back in my Jeep. A couple of questions. > > Is it safe and OK to transport this way? Would this machine have bolts that tighten the play mechanism down? I assume that I should remove all CD's before tipping it over. > > Also, I need to get this down a fairly narrow stairway to a basement games room. Can the front door be easily removed, and carried down separately? Seems to me that would make risk of damaging tubes or marking it up less likely, and the machine would be narrower and less heavy going down the steps. > > Thanks for any helpful info you could supply. Much appreciated. > > Kind regards and Happy New Year/ > > Roger Young > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11420 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pinball at telus.net Sat Dec 27 11:11:53 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Dec 27 11:13:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe jan200 molex mate n lock plug needed In-Reply-To: References: <4951265F.2050908@telus.net> <49518377.5060708@west.net> Message-ID: <49567DF9.9080807@telus.net> Rick Force wrote: > thank you all for the replies, the pins are round with a single tang that juts out to keep them in place. Rick. > I have some of those left in stock. Do yours have three small dimples on the crimp end to keep the pin from sliding through the housing? A picture would help - I have a great variety of older plugs and pins still in stock. John :-#)# > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jay Hennigan > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] rowe jan200 molex mate n lock plug needed > > > John Robertson wrote: > > Rick Force wrote: > >> merry christmas all, > >> I need the large mate n lock (molex) plug that goes on the front door > >> (both pieces, male and female) on the left side of the front door for > >> the selection circuit. I don't need the pins on the male plug, but I > >> need a good tight socket set on the female jack side (mine are too > >> sloppy/ enlarged). and has to have both locking tabs. thank you, rick. > >> > > > > I do not have any of these by part number, but I thought that Rowe used > > either AMP or AMPHENOL plugs and not Molex. > > Mate-N-Lock is a trademark of A-MP. If these are similar to the ones on > the Continental with the rectangular angled pins, I think they've been > discontinued for a while. Unless you find some in a dusty warehouse you > might consider replacing both halves with current-production Molex. > > If they're like this, as far as I know they're unobtanium... > > http://www.west.net/~jay/images/connector.jpg > > -- > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 13:25:03 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Dec 27 13:26:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? Message-ID: <479194.38331.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Take a look at the 3W1 offered on ebay as item# 110 330 620 031. Look at the description. Anyone ever seen the "rare magnesium body" ?? Does anyone have any flyers or other printed info on it?? TIA Ron Rich From pinball at telus.net Sat Dec 27 13:32:21 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Dec 27 13:33:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? In-Reply-To: <479194.38331.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <479194.38331.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49569EE5.1060405@telus.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > Take a look at the 3W1 offered on ebay as item# 110 330 620 031. Look at the description. Anyone ever seen the "rare magnesium body" ?? Does anyone have any flyers or other printed info on it? TIA Ron Rich > > I would have thought that magnesium would not be something you would build items out of that kids with cigarette lighters could get near to... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 14:33:50 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sat Dec 27 14:34:53 2008 Subject: Fw: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? Message-ID: <499313.94661.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, I saw that 3W1 on Ebay and I had the thought that it cannot be magnesium. Could be a hot time in the ole diner tonight if it was! Seems like I do remember reading a long time ago that for some reason, for a very short period, Seeburg made the 3W1 case out of something and it could not be plated. I think it might have been Butterfield when he had one on Ebay. I wish I could remember waht it was and why it was. I always thought they did it to save money but it seems like there was more to the story than that. David (Geritol Ghetto) --- On Sat, 12/27/08, John Robertson wrote: > From: John Robertson > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 2:32 PM > Ron Rich wrote: > > Hi All, Take a look at the 3W1 offered on ebay as > item# 110 330 620 031. Look at the description. Anyone ever > seen the "rare magnesium body" ?? Does anyone have > any flyers or other printed info on it? TIA Ron Rich > > > > > I would have thought that magnesium would not be something > you would build items out of that kids with cigarette > lighters could get near to... > > John :-#)# > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, > Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, > Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never > die, they just flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From bobe at halted.com Sat Dec 27 15:30:15 2008 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob E.) Date: Sat Dec 27 15:36:43 2008 Subject: Fw: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? In-Reply-To: <499313.94661.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <499313.94661.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4956BA87.9050002@halted.com> david wendell wrote: > Hi All, > > I saw that 3W1 on Ebay and I had the thought that it cannot be magnesium. Could be a hot time in the ole diner tonight if it was! Seems like I do remember reading a long time ago that for some reason, for a very short period, Seeburg made the 3W1 case out of something and it could not be plated. I think it might have been Butterfield when he had one on Ebay. I wish I could remember waht it was and why it was. I always thought they did it to save money but it seems like there was more to the story than that. Magnesium is not all that easy to set alight, unless you have a very thin edge or foil or powder to start with. It conducts heat pretty well, and burns very hot, and so needs to be made very hot to burn. You won't set anything made of cast magnesium alight with anything short of a welding torch or a burning building, I'd think. Certainly not a lighter. --Bob From pinball at telus.net Sat Dec 27 16:29:29 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Dec 27 16:30:34 2008 Subject: Fw: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? In-Reply-To: <4956BA87.9050002@halted.com> References: <499313.94661.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4956BA87.9050002@halted.com> Message-ID: <4956C869.2040303@telus.net> Bob E. wrote: > > david wendell wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I saw that 3W1 on Ebay and I had the thought that it cannot be >> magnesium. Could be a hot time in the ole diner tonight if it was! >> Seems like I do remember reading a long time ago that for some >> reason, for a very short period, Seeburg made the 3W1 case out of >> something and it could not be plated. I think it might have been >> Butterfield when he had one on Ebay. I wish I could remember waht it >> was and why it was. I always thought they did it to save money but >> it seems like there was more to the story than that. > > Magnesium is not all that easy to set alight, unless you have a very > thin edge or foil or powder to start with. It conducts heat pretty > well, and burns very hot, and so needs to be made very hot to burn. > You won't set anything made of cast magnesium alight with anything > short of a welding torch or a burning building, I'd think. Certainly > not a lighter. > > --Bob Thanks Bob, shows what happens when I don't research old knowledge...Indeed Magnesium, as it is a good conductor of heat, is hard to heat up a thick piece enough to ignite. Not possible with a lighter unless you grind it into a powder! Interesting reading up on the topic - you never know where a thread will take you! http://imm.plasticstoday.com/?q=articles/9497 John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From bobe at halted.com Sat Dec 27 17:17:00 2008 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob E.) Date: Sat Dec 27 17:31:16 2008 Subject: Fw: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? In-Reply-To: <4956C869.2040303@telus.net> References: <499313.94661.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4956BA87.9050002@halted.com> <4956C869.2040303@telus.net> Message-ID: <4956D38C.6090706@halted.com> John Robertson wrote: > > Thanks Bob, shows what happens when I don't research old > knowledge...Indeed Magnesium, as it is a good conductor of heat, is > hard to heat up a thick piece enough to ignite. Not possible with a > lighter unless you grind it into a powder! Well, if you do manage to get some mag burning, don't try to put out the flame with water or CO2...use sand! --Bob From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 17:36:01 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Dec 27 17:37:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? In-Reply-To: <479194.38331.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <651033.66628.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 12/27/08, Ron Rich wrote: > Take a look at the 3W1 offered on ebay as item# 110 330 620 > 031. Look at the description. Anyone ever seen the > "rare magnesium body" ?? Does anyone have any > flyers or other printed info on it? I know that some of the early (maybe all the early) 3W1s were painted the same tan color as the 20-selection wall boxes. This one looks like its just painted in hammertone paint. That was a popular industrial finish in the 1940s, so it may have come from the factory that way. I know that's nothing definite, but one does wonder *why* Seeburg would produce a wallbox with a magneseum cover. These covers were stamped, and a quick Google search indicates that forming magneseum parts by stamping is not a trivial procedure even with modern technology. From seeburgt at pacbell.net Sat Dec 27 18:01:25 2008 From: seeburgt at pacbell.net (Tony Miller) Date: Sat Dec 27 18:02:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? In-Reply-To: <651033.66628.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <479194.38331.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <651033.66628.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081228020224.D4CFAAA8F6@lists.netlojix.com> At 05:36 PM 12/27/2008, you wrote: I don't believe the covers were stamped. I'm pretty sure they were cast. Cheers, Tony Miller >--- On Sat, 12/27/08, Ron Rich wrote: > > > Take a look at the 3W1 offered on ebay as item# 110 330 620 > > 031. Look at the description. Anyone ever seen the > > "rare magnesium body" ?? Does anyone have any > > flyers or other printed info on it? > >I know that some of the early (maybe all the early) 3W1s >were painted the same tan color as the 20-selection wall >boxes. This one looks like its just painted in hammertone >paint. That was a popular industrial finish in the 1940s, >so it may have come from the factory that way. I know >that's nothing definite, but one does wonder *why* >Seeburg would produce a wallbox with a magneseum >cover. These covers were stamped, and a quick Google >search indicates that forming magneseum parts by stamping >is not a trivial procedure even with modern technology. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 27 18:06:00 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sat Dec 27 18:07:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? References: <479194.38331.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801c96890$d4e75700$6101a8c0@Dirksen> A couple of years ago I bought 14 3W1's from an old operator. In that bunch, there were several that had much lighter (thinner) covers than the ones I was used to seeing. They were definitely made out of a different material and not as robust - one was cracked. One was silver hammertone and I think 6 of them were a flat green. The colors were not the typical sloppy operator "touch ups" and could have been factory applied. But I can't say for sure that was the case. I remember some had red pushbuttons and I wondered if these were early production models. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 4:25 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? Hi All, Take a look at the 3W1 offered on ebay as item# 110 330 620 031. Look at the description. Anyone ever seen the "rare magnesium body" ?? Does anyone have any flyers or other printed info on it? TIA Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From medina115 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 27 18:08:20 2008 From: medina115 at hotmail.com (Mike Medina) Date: Sat Dec 27 18:09:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Victor Trip? Message-ID: Hello again, In my quest to find the cause of my jukebox problem, I came across something in the manual that I hope you all can explain to me (see previous posts of mine if so inclined). Adjustment #26 is the "Victor Trip And Trip Shoe Adjustment". My box has been converted to 45RPM and does not have the victor trip saw tooth segment (merely empty fastener holes), and only the trip pawl is present. Is this something that's been correctly made inoperative once converted to 45RPM, or is this a missing piece that is still crucial to proper operation? Thanks again for your responses. -Mike _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 27 18:26:35 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sat Dec 27 18:27:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? References: <479194.38331.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><651033.66628.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081228020224.D4CFAAA8F6@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <000701c96893$b5114960$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I agree - I see a parting line inside. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Miller" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? > At 05:36 PM 12/27/2008, you wrote: > I don't believe the covers were stamped. I'm pretty sure they were cast. > > Cheers, > > Tony Miller > >>--- On Sat, 12/27/08, Ron Rich wrote: >> >> > Take a look at the 3W1 offered on ebay as item# 110 330 620 >> > 031. Look at the description. Anyone ever seen the >> > "rare magnesium body" ?? Does anyone have any >> > flyers or other printed info on it? >> >>I know that some of the early (maybe all the early) 3W1s >>were painted the same tan color as the 20-selection wall >>boxes. This one looks like its just painted in hammertone >>paint. That was a popular industrial finish in the 1940s, >>so it may have come from the factory that way. I know >>that's nothing definite, but one does wonder *why* >>Seeburg would produce a wallbox with a magneseum >>cover. These covers were stamped, and a quick Google >>search indicates that forming magneseum parts by stamping >>is not a trivial procedure even with modern technology. >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Jukebox-list mailing list >>Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sat Dec 27 19:12:24 2008 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sat Dec 27 19:13:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? References: <479194.38331.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <002801c96890$d4e75700$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: Were some made out of different materials because of a shortage of metals because of the Korean War. Also the keys were aluminum instead of brass. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? >A couple of years ago I bought 14 3W1's from an old operator. In that >bunch, there were several that had much lighter (thinner) covers than the >ones I was used to seeing. They were definitely made out of a different >material and not as robust - one was cracked. One was silver hammertone and >I think 6 of them were a flat green. The colors were not the typical sloppy >operator "touch ups" and could have been factory applied. But I can't say >for sure that was the case. I remember some had red pushbuttons and I >wondered if these were early production models. > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rich" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 4:25 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? > > > Hi All, > Take a look at the 3W1 offered on ebay as item# 110 330 620 031. Look at > the description. Anyone ever seen the "rare magnesium body" ?? Does anyone > have any flyers or other printed info on it? TIA Ron Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Sat Dec 27 19:35:19 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Dec 27 19:36:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Victor Trip? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4956F3F7.6010504@telus.net> Mike Medina wrote: > Hello again, > > In my quest to find the cause of my jukebox problem, I came across something in the manual that I hope you all can explain to me (see previous posts of mine if so inclined). > > Adjustment #26 is the "Victor Trip And Trip Shoe Adjustment". My box has been converted to 45RPM and does not have the victor trip saw tooth segment (merely empty fastener holes), and only the trip pawl is present. Is this something that's been correctly made inoperative once converted to 45RPM, or is this a missing piece that is still crucial to proper operation? > > Thanks again for your responses. > -Mike > The Victor Trip is for old Victrola records that used an eccentric final groove. This would cycle the tone arm back and forth and force the teeth to engage and trip the machine. Old players needed a lot of force to accomplish this - and the heads weighed into the ounces as a result (also to get the poor magnetic pickups working)... Technology had moved way forward in the 30s and 40s to the point where the Victor Trip wasn't too useful on modern (1948+) 78s, and by the time the 45s were out the trip was done electrically with blades or microswitches. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jay at west.net Sun Dec 28 00:08:13 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Dec 28 00:09:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? In-Reply-To: References: <479194.38331.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <002801c96890$d4e75700$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <495733ED.3070107@west.net> Graeme Harvey wrote: > Were some made out of different materials because of a shortage of > metals because of the Korean War. Also the keys were aluminum instead > of brass. Perhaps, but one wouldn't think pot metal to be in short supply. I suspect that the early wallboxes were made in the same style as the earlier Trashcan ones, intended to be painted rather than chromed. Perhaps an aluminum alloy? I've never seen Illinois Lock keys made of aluminum. These are relatively precision keys with side-milling on the blanks. Most likely nickel silver, which contains no actual silver. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_silver. This is a common material for quality keys today, considered superior to brass by many locksmiths. Aluminum is a horrible material for keys. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From Homer87015 at aol.com Sun Dec 28 02:16:27 2008 From: Homer87015 at aol.com (Homer87015@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 02:23:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? Message-ID: Hi guys , Magnesium alloy was / is used in the auto industry . A famous case being the 1932 TT Norton motorcycle crankcases. Pot Metal referred to could be Zamak , which weighs 6700kg per cubic metre. and Mag alloy weighs 1770kg per cubic metre.Mag alloy needs a paint or other protective coating because it corrodes easily. Zamak ( called mazac in UK ) is a common alloy used in old cars- chromed -and a difficult material for restorers to have re-chromed. If there was a shortage of Zinc at the time , that could be a good reason why an " exotic" mag alloy was used. P.S don`t trust my maths , but I knew of mag alloy and the rest is courtesy of Google. lol.Cheers, Nige. From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sun Dec 28 03:43:26 2008 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sun Dec 28 03:44:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? References: Message-ID: The metal that I heard that was in short supply was chrome that is why some wallboxes where painted in hammertone. Graeme Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? > Hi guys , Magnesium alloy was / is used in the auto industry . A famous > case > being the 1932 TT Norton motorcycle crankcases. Pot Metal referred to > could > be Zamak , which weighs 6700kg per cubic metre. and Mag alloy weighs > 1770kg > per cubic metre.Mag alloy needs a paint or other protective coating > because > it corrodes easily. Zamak ( called mazac in UK ) is a common alloy used > in old > cars- chromed -and a difficult material for restorers to have re-chromed. > If > there was a shortage of Zinc at the time , that could be a good reason > why > an " exotic" mag alloy was used. P.S don`t trust my maths , but I knew of > mag > alloy and the rest is courtesy of Google. lol.Cheers, Nige. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sun Dec 28 04:38:14 2008 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sun Dec 28 04:39:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? References: <479194.38331.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <002801c96890$d4e75700$6101a8c0@Dirksen> <495733ED.3070107@west.net> Message-ID: <58FC8DB542D04651BF6A9B127ACDE421@Graeme> I have over 500 "S" type Seeburg Illinois Lock keys of these there are about 20 that are aluminum marked Seeburg Illinois Lock exactly the same as the brass ones. I have heard that these were made due to metal shortages caused by the Korean war. I also have a US 1944 one cent made of steel due to a copper shortage during WW11 Around that period of time some metals were in short supply and manufacturers had to resort to using other materials. Graeme Harvey. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? > Graeme Harvey wrote: >> Were some made out of different materials because of a shortage of metals >> because of the Korean War. Also the keys were aluminum instead of >> brass. > > Perhaps, but one wouldn't think pot metal to be in short supply. I > suspect that the early wallboxes were made in the same style as the > earlier Trashcan ones, intended to be painted rather than chromed. Perhaps > an aluminum alloy? > > I've never seen Illinois Lock keys made of aluminum. These are relatively > precision keys with side-milling on the blanks. Most likely nickel > silver, which contains no actual silver. See > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_silver. > > This is a common material for quality keys today, considered superior to > brass by many locksmiths. Aluminum is a horrible material for keys. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From arie at cnwl.igs.net Sun Dec 28 04:46:52 2008 From: arie at cnwl.igs.net (arie) Date: Sun Dec 28 04:47:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] FS: 1948 Aireon jukebox Message-ID: <468E68238EE44F0E92DD9D27E230A09E@ARIE> Hello Could you place the following on you jukebox group? Thanks, Arie Daalder I found a very very nice original 1948 Aireon (1209A) Coronet. All complete. I had to drill the lock to see if it was all there inside. Cabinet is pretty well excellent. Asking $1500. I will help with packing/crating and shipping. For pictures and more info email direct to arieatcnwl.igs.net or call 613-930-1963. Located near Ottawa, Canada. thanks, Arie From dguarino6705 at comcast.net Sun Dec 28 06:43:57 2008 From: dguarino6705 at comcast.net (David) Date: Sun Dec 28 06:45:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? References: Message-ID: <002701c968fa$b6e455e0$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> My two cents. Magnesium was widely used in the aviation industry "back in the day". Most all is currently gone I believe due to the fact that it is highly prone to corrosion. I have seen accessory drive gearboxes and maybe a superchargers made of mag. All of these had to be painted inside and out with epoxy at one particular place I worked. I believe mag can be welded (maybe brazed?)but has to be heated very hot to do so. Military rumors of aircraft with mag parts burning through aircraft carrier decks leading to the elimination of it. I also have heard that when mag burns it creates it's own oxygen and will continue to burn under water. Does any one remember the early 60's Dodge muscle car mag wheels that were recalled? Too brittle? Where did the term mag wheels come from anyway? I suppose all this talk will create a flurry in the wallbox market and drive prices up even higher. Hold on. Not a metallurgist by any means, just very interesting. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme Harvey" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? > The metal that I heard that was in short supply was chrome that is why some > wallboxes where painted in hammertone. > Graeme Harvey > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 9:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? > > > > Hi guys , Magnesium alloy was / is used in the auto industry . A famous > > case > > being the 1932 TT Norton motorcycle crankcases. Pot Metal referred to > > could > > be Zamak , which weighs 6700kg per cubic metre. and Mag alloy weighs > > 1770kg > > per cubic metre.Mag alloy needs a paint or other protective coating > > because > > it corrodes easily. Zamak ( called mazac in UK ) is a common alloy used > > in old > > cars- chromed -and a difficult material for restorers to have re-chromed. > > If > > there was a shortage of Zinc at the time , that could be a good reason > > why > > an " exotic" mag alloy was used. P.S don`t trust my maths , but I knew of > > mag > > alloy and the rest is courtesy of Google. lol.Cheers, Nige. > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 07:55:50 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Dec 28 07:56:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? Message-ID: <577853.26116.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 12/27/08, Tony Miller wrote: > I don't believe the covers were stamped. I'm > pretty sure they were cast. You're right! I went out to the shop and looked at one and it is indeed cast. Built like a fine Swiss tank. :-) No matter what that one on Ebay is cast from, it still looks like it's painted with hammertone paint, and there's still no good explanation as to why Seeburg would use such a difficult to work with metal for such an application. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 07:59:24 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Dec 28 08:00:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? In-Reply-To: <002701c968fa$b6e455e0$3c84fd45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Message-ID: <205517.2530.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 12/28/08, David wrote: > Where did the term mag wheels come from anyway? Magnesium. But those were usually only found on race cars. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 08:20:43 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 28 08:21:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? In-Reply-To: <20081228020224.D4CFAAA8F6@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <269127.45941.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I tend to agree here--Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/27/08, Tony Miller wrote: From: Tony Miller Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? To: david_breneman@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 6:01 PM At 05:36 PM 12/27/2008, you wrote: I don't believe the covers were stamped. I'm pretty sure they were cast. Cheers, Tony Miller >--- On Sat, 12/27/08, Ron Rich wrote: > > > Take a look at the 3W1 offered on ebay as item# 110 330 620 > > 031. Look at the description. Anyone ever seen the > > "rare magnesium body" ?? Does anyone have any > > flyers or other printed info on it? > >I know that some of the early (maybe all the early) 3W1s >were painted the same tan color as the 20-selection wall >boxes. This one looks like its just painted in hammertone >paint. That was a popular industrial finish in the 1940s, >so it may have come from the factory that way. I know >that's nothing definite, but one does wonder *why* >Seeburg would produce a wallbox with a magneseum >cover. These covers were stamped, and a quick Google >search indicates that forming magneseum parts by stamping >is not a trivial procedure even with modern technology. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 08:41:51 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 28 08:42:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? In-Reply-To: <495733ED.3070107@west.net> Message-ID: <494971.21585.qm@web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jay, I am not sure it's aluminum, but I have one here that sure looks to be made of it---and it's a gunuine "Seeburg embossed" ( ILCO) made key--# S108. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 12:08 AM Graeme Harvey wrote: > Were some made out of different materials because of a shortage of metals because of the Korean War. Also the keys were aluminum instead of brass. Perhaps, but one wouldn't think pot metal to be in short supply. I suspect that the early wallboxes were made in the same style as the earlier Trashcan ones, intended to be painted rather than chromed. Perhaps an aluminum alloy? I've never seen Illinois Lock keys made of aluminum. These are relatively precision keys with side-milling on the blanks. Most likely nickel silver, which contains no actual silver. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_silver. This is a common material for quality keys today, considered superior to brass by many locksmiths. Aluminum is a horrible material for keys. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 09:26:38 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Dec 28 09:27:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Victor Trip? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <751693.83320.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mike, The "Victor trip" was a patented device and Seeburg, as well as most other mfg's, had to pay (RCA) Victor for many years to use that concept. Seeburg got out of paying in 1966, when they came out with the magnetic trip switch.. I was told that the reluctance to pay royalities was the main reason that Seeburg changed that item. All phono's prior to that had the "patent notice" sticker in them. I would guess that the Victor Trip parts would still be required in the converted model A. You might look at John Robertson's web site, for the conversion instructions, to see if it mentions the trip off section---?? www.flippers.com Ron Rich --- On Sat, 12/27/08, Mike Medina wrote: From: Mike Medina Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Victor Trip? To: "Jukebox List" Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 6:08 PM Hello again, In my quest to find the cause of my jukebox problem, I came across something in the manual that I hope you all can explain to me (see previous posts of mine if so inclined). Adjustment #26 is the "Victor Trip And Trip Shoe Adjustment". My box has been converted to 45RPM and does not have the victor trip saw tooth segment (merely empty fastener holes), and only the trip pawl is present. Is this something that's been correctly made inoperative once converted to 45RPM, or is this a missing piece that is still crucial to proper operation? Thanks again for your responses. -Mike _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 09:43:37 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Dec 28 09:44:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100A Victor Trip? In-Reply-To: <4956F3F7.6010504@telus.net> Message-ID: <119695.19829.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 12/27/08, John Robertson wrote: > The Victor Trip is for old Victrola records that used an > eccentric final groove. This would cycle the tone arm back > and forth and force the teeth to engage and trip the > machine. The Victor Trip mechanism solved an important problem for the designers of automatic shutoff machines (record changers came later). The 78 format grew up in an ad-hoc manner and there were few standards established for it. One of the results of this is that there was no standard for the runout area, and different records frequently had larger or smaller labels reflecting the duration of the record. Early Victrolas had an end-of-record brake mechanism that the user adjusted for each record. When the Orthophonic (electrically-recorded) records were introduced in 1925, the eccentric runout groove was also introduced. It provided a positive method for shutting off the turntable. There's a good page on turntable controls here: http://www.victor-victrola.com/Brakes%20and%20Sound%202.htm When the 45 standard was established, the groove diameter at which the record changer cycled was established as part of the stanrd, and so 45s didn't need the eccentric groove to trip the record changer mechanism. It's essential for 78s, but totally useless for 45s as they don't have eccentric runout grooves. From medina115 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 28 11:49:52 2008 From: medina115 at hotmail.com (Mike Medina) Date: Sun Dec 28 11:50:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100A Victor Trip? Message-ID: Wow, cool. I figured it had something to do with the Victor company since it's capitalized in the manual but had no idea of the runout groove situation! Thanks! > The Victor Trip is for old Victrola records that used an> eccentric final groove. This would cycle the tone arm back> and forth and force the teeth to engage and trip the> machine. >The Victor Trip mechanism solved an important problem for>the designers of automatic shutoff machines (record>changers came later). The 78 format grew up in an ad-hocmanner and there were few standards established for it.One of the results of this is that there was no standardfor the runout area, and different records frequentlyhad larger or smaller labels reflecting the duration ofthe record. Early Victrolas had an end-of-record brakemechanism that the user adjusted for each record. Whenthe Orthophonic (electrically-recorded) records wereintroduced in 1925, the eccentric runout groove was also introduced. It provided a positive method forshutting off the turntable. There's a good page onturntable controls here:http://www.victor-victrola.com/Brakes%20and%20Sound%202.htmWhen the 45 standard was established, the groove diameterat which the record changer cycled was established aspart of the stanrd, and so 45s didn't need the eccentricgroove to trip the record changer mechanism. It'sessential for 78s, but totally useless for 45s as theydon't have eccentric runout grooves. _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From medina115 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 28 12:09:32 2008 From: medina115 at hotmail.com (Mike Medina) Date: Sun Dec 28 12:10:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? Message-ID: Regarding the magnesium/other alloy question- Ludwig Drum Company (just up the street from the Seeburg factory) produced a line of snare drums made from what they called "Lud-alloy", which was primarily aluminum but had no standard composition. They did manage to get the shells plated, which made up their line of drums that was significantly lighter and less expensive than those made of spun brass. However, the plated ones had a tendency to pit and corrode due to dissimilar metal properties, while the brass ones did not. The drums that they did not plate had a distinct soft-aluminum hammertone appearance. So, what I'm trying to say is that I wonder if the wallbox is made from a similar material. _________________________________________________________________ Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/ From bobe at halted.com Sun Dec 28 12:40:50 2008 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob E.) Date: Sun Dec 28 12:43:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? In-Reply-To: <651033.66628.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <651033.66628.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4957E452.6080002@halted.com> David Breneman wrote: > --- On Sat, 12/27/08, Ron Rich wrote: > > >> Take a look at the 3W1 offered on ebay as item# 110 330 620 >> 031. Look at the description. Anyone ever seen the >> "rare magnesium body" ?? Does anyone have any >> flyers or other printed info on it? >> > > I know that some of the early (maybe all the early) 3W1s > were painted the same tan color as the 20-selection wall > boxes. This one looks like its just painted in hammertone > paint. That was a popular industrial finish in the 1940s, > so it may have come from the factory that way. I know > that's nothing definite, but one does wonder *why* > Seeburg would produce a wallbox with a magneseum > cover. These covers were stamped, and a quick Google > search indicates that forming magneseum parts by stamping > is not a trivial procedure even with modern technology. It was the metal of the future, guys! ...as was brass! Take a look at: http://davidszondy.com/future/bohn/lawnmower.htm The Bohn Aluminum and Brass Corp. had a real visionary brochure there in the 40's, look at that lawnmower! I discovered this fascinating "retro-future" site a while back, if you'd like to start at the beginning, bookmark this site: http://davidszondy.com/future/futurepast.htm There are lots of "tours" consisting of pages and pages of scans of old articles, brochures and images from forward-looking imaginations from last century. There are lots of hours of reading and chuckling there...where's my rocket backpack? --Bob From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sun Dec 28 13:42:02 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 28 13:49:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SPS2 Parts Message-ID: <8CB374C414CDA1A-D18-2BF@webmail-dd19.sysops.aol.com> Looking for an amp, keypad, and back door... other than that, the unit is complete--! Haven't tried the usual suspects yet, but does anyone have anything on? hand? What I DO have here is very clean and pretty. TIA- j From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 15:16:01 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Dec 28 15:17:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay item--True or false? In-Reply-To: <4957E452.6080002@halted.com> Message-ID: <493403.24127.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Bob E. wrote: > The Bohn Aluminum and Brass Corp. had a real visionary > brochure there in the 40's, look at that lawnmower! Bohn (a company I had never heard of until I found the web site below) had a lot of futuristic ads. There are several on this site, which sells reprints of futuristic graphic designs from advertising: http://www.plan59.com/ From ddrak at comcast.net Sun Dec 28 17:59:03 2008 From: ddrak at comcast.net (ddrak@comcast.net) Date: Sun Dec 28 18:08:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SPS2 Parts In-Reply-To: <8CB374C414CDA1A-D18-2BF@webmail-dd19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I have an amp and a keypad. Untested but most likely in good working order. 135.00 including shipping. Thanks for your time, Dave Rakowski -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com]On Behalf Of jhayes2613@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 4:42 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SPS2 Parts Looking for an amp, keypad, and back door... other than that, the unit is complete--! Haven't tried the usual suspects yet, but does anyone have anything on? hand? What I DO have here is very clean and pretty. TIA- j _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jhayes2613 at aol.com Mon Dec 29 04:11:41 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Mon Dec 29 04:19:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SPS2 Parts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CB37C5BE613470-38C-17DB@WEBMAIL-MC20.sysops.aol.com> Now that I think about it, we're in need of the entire control panel. Do you have? Thanks- j -----Original Message----- From: ddrak@comcast.net To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 7:59 pm Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SPS2 Parts I have an amp and a keypad. Untested but most likely in good working order. 135.00 including shipping. Thanks for your time, Dave Rakowski -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com]On Behalf Of jhayes2613@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 4:42 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SPS2 Parts Looking for an amp, keypad, and back door... other than that, the unit is complete--! Haven't tried the usual suspects yet, but does anyone have anything on? hand? What I DO have here is very clean and pretty. TIA- j _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From boboranntrottier at verizon.net Mon Dec 29 19:09:21 2008 From: boboranntrottier at verizon.net (Boboranntrottier) Date: Mon Dec 29 20:11:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help with Rowe 6-07438-02 Amp Schematics Message-ID: <000901c96a2c$02e46e80$8119fea9@boboranno05oqq> I have this amp from a R85 and was disappointed when I bought the manual it did not include schematics. I have no output either side. Lost one side then the other a month apart I'm told Looking for a schematic or somewhere to get one Looked it over the darlingtons check good and nothing is fried Only thing visible was the DS1 and DS2 bulbs had broken leads Appreciate any help folks can offer Bob Trottier From bobe at halted.com Mon Dec 29 20:48:41 2008 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob E.) Date: Tue Dec 30 01:01:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help with Rowe 6-07438-02 Amp Schematics In-Reply-To: <000901c96a2c$02e46e80$8119fea9@boboranno05oqq> References: <000901c96a2c$02e46e80$8119fea9@boboranno05oqq> Message-ID: <4959A829.4080801@halted.com> Boboranntrottier wrote: > I have this amp from a R85 and was disappointed when I bought the manual it > did not include schematics. > I have no output either side. Lost one side then the other a month apart I'm > told > Looking for a schematic or somewhere to get one > Looked it over the darlingtons check good and nothing is fried > Only thing visible was the DS1 and DS2 bulbs had broken leads I don't have the schematic for that one, but are the bulbs you are talking about normal-looking light bulbs, perhaps like in an automobile tail-light? If so, they are being used as barretters or ballasts, and if they are blown, you get no sound. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_ballast Replace them with the correct bulb and you should be back to where you were before they blew, but you should try to track down why they blew. Did someone put in the wrong bulbs? Were the speakers changed out for something with a different impedance, or something? Too many external (or wrong type) of speakers connected? Something chewing on the wiring? Something drew an unacceptable current through the filaments... --Bob From tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 30 05:11:44 2008 From: tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net (mike) Date: Tue Dec 30 05:12:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] W750E replacement plastics? References: <000901c96a2c$02e46e80$8119fea9@boboranno05oqq> <4959A829.4080801@halted.com> Message-ID: Where are the best repro plastics found for the W750? Its the next box on my list to restore. : ) I have a set of repro plastics I got from New England Jukebox some years back but they are thin plastic and look too white for my taste. I thought there was some guy in the states that was manufacturing them in his back yard some time back. These were described as very high quality, 1/4" thick units and and color looked were very close to the color of originals. Any help would be appreciated ! Mike From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 08:33:08 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 30 08:34:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help with Rowe 6-07438-02 Amp Schematics In-Reply-To: <000901c96a2c$02e46e80$8119fea9@boboranno05oqq> Message-ID: <27944.50969.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bob, Thoese lamps are used in the volume contol circuit, so, without those lamps, you have no "volume control", therefore, no audio. The last time I looked (several years ago) I was unable to find them. I now use? two #?2182 lamps in series on each side, as a sub. Be sure to "silicone" them to the PCB, so the leads don't break again,?and you should be back in business--Ron Rich --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Boboranntrottier wrote: From: Boboranntrottier Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help with Rowe 6-07438-02 Amp Schematics To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 7:09 PM I have this amp from a R85 and was disappointed when I bought the manual it did not include schematics. I have no output either side. Lost one side then the other a month apart I'm told Looking for a schematic or somewhere to get one Looked it over the darlingtons check good and nothing is fried Only thing visible was the DS1 and DS2 bulbs had broken leads Appreciate any help folks can offer Bob Trottier _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jarod.patton at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 19:16:50 2008 From: jarod.patton at gmail.com (Jarod Patton) Date: Tue Dec 30 09:09:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola Mystic 478 Jukebox Message-ID: <451d30bf0812291916i2d513f23nb6f9c92d5a6f7d52@mail.gmail.com> We have a Mystic 478 Jukebox. Currently, it will play the records. However, it will not accept selections and the display light is broken, so I cannot tell if the numbers are even being accepted as an input. The "LED #9" in the control panel is blinking. Any suggestions? J From RPodol5678 at aol.com Sun Dec 28 18:28:40 2008 From: RPodol5678 at aol.com (RPodol5678@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 30 09:09:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Sonata Model 1050 Message-ID: I have a Sonata Model 1050 that is in need of repair. I live on Long Island, NY. Please call me if you can fix - 516 697-1686, Ron **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From crobertson19405 at comcast.net Tue Dec 30 12:41:07 2008 From: crobertson19405 at comcast.net (Craig and Cerena) Date: Tue Dec 30 12:39:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] HR100R Free Play Question Message-ID: I just got my Jukebox back from a guy who repaired it. I am in heaven..... When I got the box, there was a door bell button on the side which has two wires that connected inside the box. I know that this is a free play button. My question is that I have played several songs on the box and the selector light is still lit. I was told not to let this energized because it could cause damage. My question is should this light stay on, and if not, how do I reset the selector. Thanks for any help. Craig From jay at west.net Tue Dec 30 13:01:47 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Dec 30 13:01:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] HR100R Free Play Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495A8C3B.20208@west.net> Craig and Cerena wrote: > I just got my Jukebox back from a guy who repaired it. I am in > heaven..... When I got the box, there was a door bell button on the > side which has two wires that connected inside the box. I know that > this is a free play button. My question is that I have played several > songs on the box and the selector light is still lit. I was told not to > let this energized because it could cause damage. My question is should > this light stay on, and if not, how do I reset the selector. Thanks for > any help. The short answer is to ask the guy who repaired it. The long answer is that there are several ways to convert a Seeburg of that vintage to free play. One way is with a button that just parallels the coin switch, such as your doorbell button. push the button and you get a certain number of credits, push it again for more. You can wire the button for a nickel, dime, or quarter's worth of credits. This is OK, and can be done in stealth mode with a microswitch wired across the coin reject "scavenger" button. It has the drawback that someone can leave credits and walk away from the box, leaving the solenoid energized. This is true in coin mode as well, but in a commercial venue people aren't likely to put money into a jukebox and walk away, and if they do someone else is likely to see the select light on and use up the credits. A second way is a simple wiring change to the selector. This doesn't engage the latch solenoid until a button is depressed. then pushing the second button clears it. With this method, it's also possible for someone to push one button and walk away, leaving the solenoid engaged. A third way is another wiring change that requires that both the letter and number be pushed at the same time. A fourth way is a custom-made box that works like method 2 above, but it has a timer so that if someone pushes one button and walks away it releases in a few seconds. These boxes cost about $60 and are often seen on EBay. A fifth way is to bend the cancel ramp so that credits are never canceled or to solder a jumper across it. Not recommended as it leaves the solenoid energized all the time. It may be that your repair guy has modified it in a way that's safe but wired the select light to be on all the time. You can look, open the dome and take the cover off of the keyboard selector mechanism. There's a big solenoid in the middle. If it snaps closed as soon as you turn on the power and stays that way (often humming some), then it isn't the best way of being set on free play and you probably want to fix it. On the other hand, why not set it up for use with coins? That's half the fun of a jukebox, and keeps people from pushing every selection in rapid succession unless they have a fistful of nickels. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From Trollmasters at webtv.net Tue Dec 30 14:51:57 2008 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Tue Dec 30 14:53:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] HR100R Free Play Question In-Reply-To: "Craig and Cerena" 's message of Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:41:07 -0500 Message-ID: <20344-495AA60D-7622@storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net> Just the selector light being on constantly is no biggie. What you want to check is to see if your latchbar solenoid is energised continuosly. If it is, it could overheat . smoke, etc. This is a common failure item on Seeburgs. Several vendors sell free-play hookups which allows the machine to stay on free-play without the latch bar solenoid being energised. Jim E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net From tim at catawbamail.com Tue Dec 30 18:55:47 2008 From: tim at catawbamail.com (Tim Larson) Date: Tue Dec 30 19:03:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue Message-ID: Hey guys ? hopefully this is a simple problem ?dirty contacts or fuse....I have the manual but can?t quite understand how to fix this issue: When inserting a quarter I can get selections ? after the selections I insert another quarter and cannot get it to register any selection (no lights) I can hit the reset in the coin register mechinism and it seems to work again... So I feel its in that area...any ideas? Tim Larson Director of Printing Operations Catawba Print & Mail 828-324-2021 ext 302 tim@catawbamail.com Www.catawbamail.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 20:18:34 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Dec 30 20:19:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <51536.13694.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tim, The "reset" that you're hitting replaces the coin fuse. That being said, you are actually blowing fuses when inserting the coin. That being the case, either the slug rejector is dirty (remove it and wash it with HOT soap/water, dry it totally) or perhaps the rejector is not installed correctly into it's holder, or the coin switch itself?is bent/dirty/ full of "coke" ?? See the service manual on the adjustment proceedure. Ron Rich --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Tim Larson wrote: From: Tim Larson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 6:55 PM Hey guys ? hopefully this is a simple problem ?dirty contacts or fuse.....I have the manual but can?t quite understand how to fix this issue: When inserting a quarter I can get selections ? after the selections I insert another quarter and cannot get it to register any selection (no lights) I can hit the reset in the coin register mechinism and it seems to work again... So I feel its in that area...any ideas? Tim Larson Director of Printing Operations Catawba Print & Mail 828-324-2021 ext 302 tim@catawbamail.com Www.catawbamail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Tue Dec 30 21:36:34 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Dec 30 21:37:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495B04E2.60606@west.net> Tim Larson wrote: > Hey guys ? hopefully this is a simple problem ?dirty contacts or fuse....I > have the manual but can?t quite understand how to fix this issue: > When inserting a quarter I can get selections ? after the selections I > insert another quarter and cannot get it to register any selection (no > lights) > I can hit the reset in the coin register mechinism and it seems to work > again... So I feel its in that area...any ideas? It sounds like the coin switch is hanging up closed. Perhaps a gummed up switch or coin mechanism, or something mechanically catching the coin. The coin should fall easily out of the rejector and very briefly tap the leaf switch as it drops into the cash bag. The switch should snap back quickly. If the coin hangs on the switch (maybe knocked loose by the second quarter?) or the switch is gummy, the circuit stays closed too long. The circuit breaker trips and has to be manually reset. The reset button replaces a fuse that would need to be replaced in earlier mechanisms. The coin switch at the bottom of the rejector completes a circuit to a coil in the Playrack. This releases a spring-wound cam to advance to the pre-set number of credits. The coil needs to generate a fairly powerful magnetic field, so there's quite a bit of current flowing through it, but the pulse is supposed to be very brief. The reset breaker protects the coil from burning out if the coin switch gets stuck, which is what it sounds like is happening in your case. Quarters are fairly heavy, it's usually the dimes that get stuck. :-) -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 09:23:40 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 31 09:30:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue In-Reply-To: <495B04E2.60606@west.net> Message-ID: <556535.22373.qm@web111308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 9:36 PM Tim Larson wrote: > Hey guys ? hopefully this is a simple problem ?dirty contacts or fuse....I > have the manual but can?t quite understand how to fix this issue: > When inserting a quarter I can get selections ? after the selections I > insert another quarter and cannot get it to register any selection (no > lights) > I can hit the reset in the coin register mechinism and it seems to work > again... So I feel its in that area...any ideas? It sounds like the coin switch is hanging up closed. Perhaps a gummed up switch or coin mechanism, or something mechanically catching the coin. The coin should fall easily out of the rejector and very briefly tap the leaf switch as it drops into the cash bag. The switch should snap back quickly. If the coin hangs on the switch (maybe knocked loose by the second quarter?) or the switch is gummy, the circuit stays closed too long. The circuit breaker trips and has to be manually reset. The reset button replaces a fuse that would need to be replaced in earlier mechanisms. The coin switch at the bottom of the rejector completes a circuit to a coil in the Playrack. This releases a spring-wound cam to advance to the pre-set number of credits. The coil needs to generate a fairly powerful magnetic field, so there's quite a bit of current flowing through it, but the pulse is supposed to be very brief. The reset breaker protects the coil from burning out if the coin switch gets stuck, which is what it sounds like is happening in your case. Quarters are fairly heavy, it's usually the dimes that get stuck. :-) -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tim at catawbamail.com Wed Dec 31 10:43:12 2008 From: tim at catawbamail.com (Tim Larson) Date: Wed Dec 31 10:44:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue In-Reply-To: <495B04E2.60606@west.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the response - the coin switch works for the 10 cent selection but not the 25 cent selections - checked the switch it seems to be good. What would be the next step? Tim Larson > From: Jay Hennigan > Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list > Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:36:34 -0800 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue > > Tim Larson wrote: >> Hey guys ? hopefully this is a simple problem ?dirty contacts or fuse....I >> have the manual but can?t quite understand how to fix this issue: >> When inserting a quarter I can get selections ? after the selections I >> insert another quarter and cannot get it to register any selection (no >> lights) >> I can hit the reset in the coin register mechinism and it seems to work >> again... So I feel its in that area...any ideas? > > It sounds like the coin switch is hanging up closed. Perhaps a gummed > up switch or coin mechanism, or something mechanically catching the coin. > > The coin should fall easily out of the rejector and very briefly tap the > leaf switch as it drops into the cash bag. The switch should snap back > quickly. If the coin hangs on the switch (maybe knocked loose by the > second quarter?) or the switch is gummy, the circuit stays closed too > long. The circuit breaker trips and has to be manually reset. The > reset button replaces a fuse that would need to be replaced in earlier > mechanisms. > > The coin switch at the bottom of the rejector completes a circuit to a > coil in the Playrack. This releases a spring-wound cam to advance to > the pre-set number of credits. The coil needs to generate a fairly > powerful magnetic field, so there's quite a bit of current flowing > through it, but the pulse is supposed to be very brief. The reset > breaker protects the coil from burning out if the coin switch gets > stuck, which is what it sounds like is happening in your case. Quarters > are fairly heavy, it's usually the dimes that get stuck. :-) > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 11:14:02 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Dec 31 11:15:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <995187.55692.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Tim, What does "works" mean--what does "not" mean?? Does the quarter hit the correct coin switch?? Does the quarter go into the cashbox ? ?Does the quarter jam in the rejector? ?Does it hit the swtch and "close it", or "stick" on it?? ?Is the quarter switch dirty or bent?? Does it "pop" the CB each time you insert a quarter?? Are there any "coin guides" present under the rejector? Do you have the correct rejector installed in that housing? Are all four "mounting pins(special screws)" installed into the rejector--tightly ? Is the quarter coil burned (in the "Playrack") ? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Tim Larson wrote: From: Tim Larson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 10:43 AM Thanks for the response - the coin switch works for the 10 cent selection but not the 25 cent selections - checked the switch it seems to be good. What would be the next step? Tim Larson > From: Jay Hennigan > Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list > Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:36:34 -0800 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Issue > > Tim Larson wrote: >> Hey guys ? hopefully this is a simple problem ?dirty contacts or fuse....I >> have the manual but can?t quite understand how to fix this issue: >> When inserting a quarter I can get selections ? after the selections I >> insert another quarter and cannot get it to register any selection (no >> lights) >> I can hit the reset in the coin register mechinism and it seems to work >> again... So I feel its in that area...any ideas? > > It sounds like the coin switch is hanging up closed. Perhaps a gummed > up switch or coin mechanism, or something mechanically catching the coin. > > The coin should fall easily out of the rejector and very briefly tap the > leaf switch as it drops into the cash bag. The switch should snap back > quickly. If the coin hangs on the switch (maybe knocked loose by the > second quarter?) or the switch is gummy, the circuit stays closed too > long. The circuit breaker trips and has to be manually reset. The > reset button replaces a fuse that would need to be replaced in earlier > mechanisms. > > The coin switch at the bottom of the rejector completes a circuit to a > coil in the Playrack. This releases a spring-wound cam to advance to > the pre-set number of credits. The coil needs to generate a fairly > powerful magnetic field, so there's quite a bit of current flowing > through it, but the pulse is supposed to be very brief. The reset > breaker protects the coil from burning out if the coin switch gets > stuck, which is what it sounds like is happening in your case. Quarters > are fairly heavy, it's usually the dimes that get stuck. :-) > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 31 16:44:42 2008 From: tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net (mike) Date: Wed Dec 31 16:45:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just smoked my W1100 motor... References: <995187.55692.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ...and I am unsure why it went like it did. Still has some life but is emitting the magic smoke. There doesn't appear to be any undue load on the shaft to the mech, all spins free. Worst case is I may need another motor. What $ will a replacement Wurly motor set me back these days? Mike From Trollmasters at webtv.net Wed Dec 31 16:48:10 2008 From: Trollmasters at webtv.net (James McClave) Date: Wed Dec 31 16:49:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Just smoked my W1100 motor... In-Reply-To: "mike" 's message of Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:44:42 -0600 Message-ID: <8205-495C12CA-8114@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net> Probably around 100 bucks I would guess. E-mail us at: trollmasters@webtv.net