From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Fri Aug 1 00:00:51 2008 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Fri Aug 1 00:02:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Statesman 3400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <754347.72084.qm@web96005.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, Replaced the switches and all is fine, working like a dream. Thanks for the advice. Regards john at the metro cinema NewZealand From dave.halford at telent.com Fri Aug 1 00:12:19 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Fri Aug 1 00:13:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl's backl! Message-ID: <20080801071225.004E667D04@blade205.la.inty.net> HMV down your local high st. James regards Dave H "James Finch" To: Jukebox mailing list Sent by: cc: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl's backl! etlojix.com 01/08/2008 02:10 Please respond to Jfinch1; Please respond to Jukebox mailing list So Nigel, where does one find current 45s? James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl's backl! > It's true ! > > I am in the UK and bought my 13yr old daughter a Seeburg Topaz 3 months > ago. > > It is now completely filled with current 45's that are no older than 3 > months old. > > She loves it so much she hardly uses the Ipod and says it sounds rubbish > compared to the jukebox. > > How glad am I :-) > > Nigel > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jens > Hultgren > Sent: 31 July 2008 21:32 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl's backl! > > While CD sales are down every year, vinyl is going the other direction > http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/28/groovin-on-vinyl/ > > soooooo.....CDs and mp3s were only a temporary distraction? > > :o) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1584 - Release Date: 7/31/2008 12:00 PM ____________________________________________________________________ The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us. -Calvin & Hobbes _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From etreble7 at verizon.net Fri Aug 1 03:59:30 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7@verizon.net) Date: Fri Aug 1 04:00:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl's backl! Message-ID: <20537592.3375591217588370161.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> Brantley, I met my Son & family at Myrtle Beach for the week, it's my favorite beach along the East Coast. I have been through Columbia, my best friend is from there. Tell your Daughter to keep the vinyl secret safe! Jackie From: Kuglarb@wmconnect.com Date: 2008/07/31 Thu PM 08:26:25 CDT To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl's backl! Jackie, What part of South Carolina? I live near Columbia. My children love records and are probably the only ones within 200 miles that know what a 78 rpm record is! Take care. Brantley _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tommoran13 at comcast.net Fri Aug 1 06:33:08 2008 From: tommoran13 at comcast.net (Thomas Moran) Date: Fri Aug 1 06:34:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B Message-ID: Hi All, Can anyone tell me if a Seeburg J-100 coin assembly (coin rejector and 4 pin plug coin switch) will fit a Seeburg M100B. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 08:45:46 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Aug 1 08:46:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <440731.55536.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Yup ! Same part number--Ron Rich --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Thomas Moran wrote: From: Thomas Moran Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 6:33 AM Hi All, Can anyone tell me if a Seeburg J-100 coin assembly (coin rejector and 4 pin plug coin switch) will fit a Seeburg M100B. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jrutoskey at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 08:54:10 2008 From: jrutoskey at yahoo.com (Automatic Music) Date: Fri Aug 1 08:55:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <618862.66559.qm@web39705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Thomas, ? At first glance they appear the same, but they are not entirely. The 100-J uses a shifting assembly that was able to move to the right to test coins falling through. The M100-B did not. It would depend how much of the assembly you needed to be able to tell if you could use it or not. What are you missing? It sounds to me that if you need the coin switches, then your entire frame is gone. Regards, John --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Thomas Moran wrote: From: Thomas Moran Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 9:33 AM Hi All, Can anyone tell me if a Seeburg J-100 coin assembly (coin rejector and 4 pin plug coin switch) will fit a Seeburg M100B. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 09:26:33 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Aug 1 09:27:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B In-Reply-To: <618862.66559.qm@web39705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <649785.70089.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Thomas, John, and all, My error--I missed the word "rejector". The "B" model rejector has no "nickel diverter". The "J" model slug rejector will work in a "B", but the "B" model rejector will NOT work in a "J", unless you eliminate the ability to accept the nickels--depending on what ever pricing level you want. The above is also true or the "R-D" models--I'm not sure if the "J" models were designated as "D"? (2X5 cent, or Dime, per?play) on the ID tag or not?? I believe that "nickel diverters", were standard, beginning with the "R-D" model.? The "nickel diverter" sends every other nickel through the coin switch, and the other one bypasses the switch. In?SOME cases, there are only two "add coils" in the pricing unit, on "D" models?(Dime, and Quarter). To?interchange the different style rejectors, you may also need to re-wire the coin switches, or the pricing unit, once again, depending on the pricing level you want, and the jukebox model. Remember that "today", all of the above info assumes that the phonograph's are still equipped as they were the day they left Seeburg (LOL)---Ron Rich --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Automatic Music wrote: From: Automatic Music Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 8:54 AM Hello Thomas, ? At first glance they appear the same, but they are not entirely. The 100-J uses a shifting assembly that was able to move to the right to test coins falling through. The M100-B did not. It would depend how much of the assembly you needed to be able to tell if you could use it or not. What are you missing? It sounds to me that if you need the coin switches, then your entire frame is gone. Regards, John --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Thomas Moran wrote: From: Thomas Moran Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 9:33 AM Hi All, Can anyone tell me if a Seeburg J-100 coin assembly (coin rejector and 4 pin plug coin switch) will fit a Seeburg M100B. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 09:33:52 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Aug 1 09:34:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl's backl! In-Reply-To: <20537592.3375591217588370161.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <12491.99520.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> -- On Fri, 8/1/08, etreble7@verizon.net wrote: > I met my Son & family at Myrtle Beach for the week, > it's my favorite beach along the East Coast. Ah, Myrtle Beach. A business district composed entirely of pancake houses, swim suit shops and miniature gold courses. Amazing place. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 10:14:21 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Aug 1 10:25:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl's backl! Message-ID: <20612408.6109901217610861347.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> David, Ican see you've been there! You forgot to mention the rolling surf and beautiful sand. Jackie -- On Fri, 8/1/08, etreble7@verizon.net wrote: > I met my Son & family at Myrtle Beach for the week, > it's my favorite beach along the East Coast. Ah, Myrtle Beach. A business district composed entirely of pancake houses, swim suit shops and miniature gold courses. Amazing place. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tommoran13 at comcast.net Fri Aug 1 12:21:33 2008 From: tommoran13 at comcast.net (Thomas Moran) Date: Fri Aug 1 12:22:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B In-Reply-To: <618862.66559.qm@web39705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <618862.66559.qm@web39705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello John, Yes, the entire frame is gone. All I have is the coin chute. On Aug 1, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Automatic Music wrote: > Hello Thomas, > > At first glance they appear the same, but they are not entirely. The > 100-J uses a shifting assembly that was able to move to the right to > test coins falling through. The M100-B did not. It would depend how > much of the assembly you needed to be able to tell if you could use > it or not. What are you missing? It sounds to me that if you need > the coin switches, then your entire frame is gone. Regards, John > > --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Thomas Moran wrote: > From: Thomas Moran > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg M100B > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 9:33 AM > > Hi All, > Can anyone tell me if a Seeburg J-100 coin assembly (coin rejector > and 4 pin plug coin switch) will fit a Seeburg M100B. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Fri Aug 1 13:26:37 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Fri Aug 1 13:27:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl's backl! In-Reply-To: <004a01c8f36e$a570e2d0$0201a8c0@ac68919f5> References: <3154d3690807311332t26f7d772ha9d7fdfde8aa4fb0@mail.gmail.com> <001d01c8f350$663bfdc0$32b3f940$@force9.co.uk> <004a01c8f36e$a570e2d0$0201a8c0@ac68919f5> Message-ID: <003f01c8f414$e6302fa0$b2908ee0$@force9.co.uk> Its certainly heading in the right direction Jackie. I think the MP3 and downloads has probably helped, as people like to see something physical for their money, and vinyl is a curiosity now, and as it sounds better than CD (IMHO) - it's the obvious choice. My daughter said her jukebox is the best thing she's ever had. I was really pleased at that. Forget the 2000+ tunes on the Ipod, the 100 on the jukebox is good enough! The sound of a jukebox never fails to put a smile on my face - you can't get that lovely noise anywhere else :-) Nige -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of etreble7 Sent: 01 August 2008 01:37 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl's backl! Nigel, now, that is a BREAKTHROUGH, the youth is starting to appreciate our records at last. That is my goal in having the Jukeboxes and records, so that my kids, grandkids will continue on and not trash them when I am gone. I was in South Carolina a couple weeks ago and went to a Thrift Shop looking for records. This young girl, about 17 or so with her parents and younger brother came running over to the stack of records and was thrilled she was able to find some LP's. I chatted with her for a bit and told her about my Jukeboxes and her Dad was headed home to check the internet for a Jukebox for sale in his area. She also mentioned her friends were all into collecting LP's . It was lots of fun to see the interest again. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl's backl! > It's true ! > > I am in the UK and bought my 13yr old daughter a Seeburg Topaz 3 months > ago. > > It is now completely filled with current 45's that are no older than 3 > months old. > > She loves it so much she hardly uses the Ipod and says it sounds rubbish > compared to the jukebox. > > How glad am I :-) > > Nigel > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jens > Hultgren > Sent: 31 July 2008 21:32 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl's backl! > > While CD sales are down every year, vinyl is going the other direction > http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/28/groovin-on-vinyl/ > > soooooo.....CDs and mp3s were only a temporary distraction? > > :o) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From daviop at verizon.net Fri Aug 1 14:08:10 2008 From: daviop at verizon.net (Peter Davio) Date: Fri Aug 1 14:09:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Reversing swith changeout In-Reply-To: <20080730190003.78817AAB67@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20080730190003.78817AAB67@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <002c01c8f41a$b3ff7710$0201a8c0@D92W9P81> Gents, this is a follow up to our earlier discussion below. I attempted to open up the good switch on the cannibalized mech but with little success. The one I'm after is the switch with the paddle and removing the two screws from the entire switch assembly did not help. It appears the assembly is either glued together or just fused together with age. Either way it is difficult if not impossible to take it apart without damaging spacers or blades. Any other ideas? Peter -----Original Message----- Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:57:34 EDT From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Reversing Switch To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I even replaced the bad part of the paddle switch without replacing the whole thing. I carefully took it apart and laid the spacers out in order,leaving the contacts soldered and replaced the broken piece with the good one from the other switch(usually one side of the spring metal piece that's riveted to the the paddle) and put it all back together. I needed the spring from the good switch as that was also nowhere to be found. btw You have to careful prying those spacers off the plastic shafts.They will break,especially the thin ones if you're not careful. J.C. >Peter, >If it's not the the switch with the paddle, you can just cut off the broken blade from the bad one. Then take >the good switch apart, remove the blade you need and "open the screw holes" ( so the holes look like a >"U", not an "O"). Loosen the screws on the bad switch and slip the good blade in. In most cases, You don't >need to remove the bad switch from the mech--or even solder it. Ron Rich In a message dated 7/29/2008 4:36:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, daviop@verizon.net writes: I found a nice looking mech for a Seeburg B - complete and clean except one of the reversing switch blades that extends down from the electrical block to the mechanical operator, is broken. I came across another mech that's been cannibalized but has a good working switch intact. Are there any tricks to exchanging the switches out? Peter From bobe at halted.com Fri Aug 1 14:32:29 2008 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Fri Aug 1 14:41:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Reversing swith changeout Message-ID: <2.2.32.20080801213229.00998658@hsces.com> At 05:08 PM 8/1/2008 -0400, you wrote: >Gents, this is a follow up to our earlier discussion below. > >I attempted to open up the good switch on the cannibalized mech but with >little success. > >The one I'm after is the switch with the paddle and removing the two screws >from the entire switch assembly did not help. It appears the assembly is >either glued together or just fused together with age. Either way it is >difficult if not impossible to take it apart without damaging spacers or >blades. Any other ideas? There are two phenolic tubes that go through the screw-holes that all the wafers and blades are stacked on...their fit around these tubes is pretty snug. You may have to use a sharp blade to start a wafer sliding off the tubes, then carefully pry with a small (jeweler's) screwdriver or some such thin implement. Be careful, or you will start snapping wafers! And make sure you are orderly about the way you set these pieces down, you want the same stacking order and the identical direction of the switch-blades to be replicated on the new switch! --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Fri Aug 1 15:39:46 2008 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Fri Aug 1 15:46:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl's backl! Message-ID: I was in the radio broadcasting business while in college and a couple of years after I got married. I was fortunate to DJ during a time in which we played those neat 45s! I especially loved playing the commericals on carts (short for cartridges) right after we cut them in the production room. Sadly, radio isn't the same these days. It is all computers and mostly broadcsted from satellites. I am sure the DJs today, or CompuJs are bored stiff on their job! I still kept my massive collection of 45s and record albums. Take care all! Brantley South Carolina From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 16:39:20 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Aug 1 16:40:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl's backl! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <33071.79564.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Kuglarb@wmconnect.com wrote: > I especially loved playing the > commericals on carts (short > for cartridges) right after we cut them in the production > room. Hey, Brantley - I threw out hundreds of carts when I moved my studio last year. All they needed was new pads. If I'd have known you had such a nostalgic feel for them I could have sent them to you! :-) Seriously, carts were nice because they were a handy size, with easy to read labels, and were easy to use. They were a pain when you had a :30 spot on a 2:30 cart and had to tie up a machine for two minutes while it cued. > Sadly, radio isn't the same these days. It is all > computers and mostly > broadcsted from satellites. I am sure the DJs today, or > CompuJs are bored stiff on their job! And they probably don't even know how to fill out the transmitter log! From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Fri Aug 1 17:16:56 2008 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Fri Aug 1 17:24:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl's backl! Message-ID: David, Oh I wished that you had. I am a pack rat and would have loved adding these to my other collectibles. I am a sentimentalist and long for the days when I was in radio. I only regret not pursuing the career. I ended up with a much better job that has been very good to me over the years, but radio was indeed my passion. It's kind of like that first love...You marry your second, but never forget that first! lol There is a man in Charleston, S.C. that make lamps out of old cart machines! I'd love to have an on air mike for my office...You wouldn't happen to have one of those would you? Believe it or not, I still do the weather forecast in the shower and still give away tickets to the Boston concert on the way to work! Thanks for responding and have a great weekend! "It's 93 degrees and clear here in town...Stay tuned, Elton John is next!!" Brantley From johnmc2 at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 1 19:49:12 2008 From: johnmc2 at sbcglobal.net (johnmc2@sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri Aug 1 19:49:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe RB-8 Bubbler jukebox error 36 Message-ID: <007001c8f44a$58a75e20$09f61a60$@net> Does anyone know if a service manual is available for Rowe RB-8 bubbler jukebox, I am getting an error 36 at power up, talked to Rowe tech support and they don't have any literature on this jukebox, any help would be appreciated. Thanks CES Services 4825 FM 1187 Burleson, Tx 76028 cesinc@sbcglobal.net 817-483-0052 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 20:01:46 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Aug 1 20:02:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe RB-8 Bubbler jukebox error 36 In-Reply-To: <007001c8f44a$58a75e20$09f61a60$@net> Message-ID: <330629.13859.qm@web55813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Look at a Rowe R 88-94 book--same thing--Ron Rich --- On Fri, 8/1/08, johnmc2@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: johnmc2@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe RB-8 Bubbler jukebox error 36 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 7:49 PM Does anyone know if a service manual is available for Rowe RB-8 bubbler jukebox, I am getting an error 36 at power up, talked to Rowe tech support and they don't have any literature on this jukebox, any help would be appreciated. Thanks CES Services 4825 FM 1187 Burleson, Tx 76028 cesinc@sbcglobal.net 817-483-0052 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From raker at knology.net Sat Aug 2 03:23:50 2008 From: raker at knology.net (Robert Aker) Date: Sat Aug 2 03:25:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe RB-8 Bubbler jukebox error 36 References: <007001c8f44a$58a75e20$09f61a60$@net> Message-ID: <001001c8f489$db70f890$0401a8c0@desktop> ER 36 is a cancel signal problem. make a selection and look at the mech control unit: CANCEL LED stays on: 1. short in cancel switch wiring 2. bad cancel switch 3. mech control board bad. CANCEL LED flashes ON as record sets down: 1. auto cancel misadjusted. CANCEL LED does not flash: 1. wiring to outer cam switch 2. outer cam switch bad 3. wiring problem from mech control board to CCC 4. mech control board problem 5. CCC problem If you need the mech control board or CCC serviced contact Bruce Wentworth at http://www.abjukeboxrepair.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe RB-8 Bubbler jukebox error 36 > Does anyone know if a service manual is available for Rowe RB-8 bubbler > jukebox, I am getting an error 36 at power up, talked to Rowe tech support > and they don't have any literature on this jukebox, any help would be > appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > > > CES Services > > 4825 FM 1187 > > Burleson, Tx 76028 > > cesinc@sbcglobal.net > > 817-483-0052 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From alltoys48 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 08:08:13 2008 From: alltoys48 at yahoo.com (Bill) Date: Sat Aug 2 08:09:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] http://www.digitalseller.cn Message-ID: <341862.99543.qm@web55105.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Dear,Ladies and Sirs; We are a high ranking B2B and B2C export company here ,we agent international recognized brand products ,such as :APPLE,IBM ,SONY,NOKIA,CANON,PANASONIC,MOTOROL and so on ,all kinds of brand new ,original,sealed up with international warrranty about 1--3years electronic digital products can be found here.We can dropship the items to your retail customers as your requires. 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <247012.34315.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Kuglarb@wmconnect.com wrote: > Oh I wished that you had. I am a pack rat and would have > loved adding these to my other collectibles. Well, I didn't throw out all the carts, just two cases of lightly-used bulk erased two minute ones that I knew I would never use for anything. As I sort through the boxes of stuff in the garage for moving into the new studio I'll keep my eyes out for any other ones I can send your way. I still have about 150 or so carts with sound effects,music beds, bumps and other things on them that I need to digitize. I'd imagine I'll get to that some time arounf 2027. :-) > I am a sentimentalist and long for the days when I > was in radio. I only regret not pursuing the career. I > ended up with a much > better job that has been very good to me over the years, > but radio was indeed my passion. I worked in and around broadcasting off and on for almost 20 years. It's wonderful to earn $100/minute for using your voice, but it was never steady enough to rely on to pay the bills. And with all the consolidation going on in the industry, fewer and fewer people can make a living at it. That's too bad. > It's kind of like that first love...You > marry your second, but never forget that first! And then you get divorced, but that's a different story... > I'd love to have an on air mike for my office...You > wouldn't happen to have one of those would you? All the mikes I have I still use. I've never been rich enough to get what I'd really like, a pair of RCA 77-DXes. > Believe it or not, I still do the weather forecast in the > shower and still > give away tickets to the Boston concert on the way to work! And I still remember this by heart: This has been a test of the Emergency Broadcasting System. The broadcasters of your area, in voluntary cooperation with the FCC and other authorities, have established this system the keep you informed in the event of an emergency. If this had been an actual emergency, you would have been instructed where to tune in your location for news and official information. This concludes this test of the Emergency Broadcasting System. > Thanks for responding and have a great weekend! > "It's 93 degrees and clear > here in town...Stay tuned, Elton John is next!!" I came up with a sarcastic weather out-line when I was getting my 3rd class radiophone license at KTOY in Tacoma in 1976. "Currently it's 25 degrees Celsius, that's 76 *Bicentennial degrees*, in Tacoma!" Bicentennial-this, Bicentennial-that. It was driving me nuts. :-) From julie.mitchell at gmail.com Sun Aug 3 17:59:41 2008 From: julie.mitchell at gmail.com (Julie Mitchell) Date: Sun Aug 3 18:00:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100B animation Message-ID: Anyone have some tips on installing an animation kit into a Seeburg M100B? I can see where the old motor was mounted, and the tray is already installed with glass underneath. I cannot figure out what those metal "arms" on both sides are meant to do, where to wire the motor, or even how to get into the case to access things. Do I take the front glass panel off to get in there? Any advice would be much appreciated, and if someone has a picture of the thing all assembled, I'd really appreciate a copy. Thanks, Julie From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Sun Aug 3 20:06:50 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Sun Aug 3 20:07:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] I need a couple of parts for my 1966 Model 431 Rockola Coronado PLease help In-Reply-To: <755885.64847.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <947438.87738.qm@web54606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I need the Volume and reset asembley that mounts on the rear of the juke with the wiring. Someone took it out of the juke and its currently running on a Rockola remote. It is driving me nuts that the part is missing can anyone help. The other part I need is the Scan / Off / Oper switch.I just noticed that the circuit board material is brokenso I need ittoo. I believe the 1965 Rockola Starlett uses the same part and I am pretty sure there are other models that use it too.?Regards, Tony __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From johntrav at suddenlink.net Mon Aug 4 06:48:20 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Mon Aug 4 06:50:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl is back- comments from a recording engineer.l Message-ID: <000901c8f638$e827e7f0$0301a8c0@JOHNTRAV> People are finally realizing that vinyl pressings (or lacquers - whichever) really sound better than CD's. CD's can pump a lot of level throughout the audio spectrum with response limitations being from about 30 Hz up through around 17 kHz. This is where CD's start to fail, because the highest sampling rate that was possible back when they were first released to the public would only allow frequencies up to 17 or 18 kHz to be recorded. Vinyl records have the capability to register upwards of 40 to 50 kHz. Yes, you're not going to actually hear that range unless you're a dog, but the brain responds to the shadings and harmonics of what is recorded and the overall listening experience isn't a stark and plain as with a CD. Also, CD's are mastered to sound as loud as possible through all frequencies, regardless of the intent of the recording. Vinyl records are mastered to sound the best while preserving the dynamics and nuances that the recording artist intended to convey to the purchaser of their record. Many artists are now releasing their full albums on vinyl, and putting the individual titles from the album in .mp3 format for downloading - completely skipping any release on optical discs. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 4 07:14:35 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 4 07:15:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100B animation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <176016.57252.qm@web55810.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Julie, Look at page 1113 in the service manual. It's not real good, but-- Those "arms" hold the frame which should contain the colored gel up, so that the gel will be "swung" by the motor. For wiring, the motor is just paralleled to the lamp circuit AC plug. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Julie Mitchell wrote: From: Julie Mitchell Subject: [Jukebox-list] M100B animation To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 5:59 PM Anyone have some tips on installing an animation kit into a Seeburg M100B? I can see where the old motor was mounted, and the tray is already installed with glass underneath. I cannot figure out what those metal "arms" on both sides are meant to do, where to wire the motor, or even how to get into the case to access things. Do I take the front glass panel off to get in there? Any advice would be much appreciated, and if someone has a picture of the thing all assembled, I'd really appreciate a copy. Thanks, Julie _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gibson510 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 4 12:07:39 2008 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Mon Aug 4 12:08:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 201 selection problem Message-ID: Working on a 201 that gives multiple selections when only one is made. Here's what I've done so far, Changed out cap and resistor in pulse amp. Checked Detent Switch (working), cleaned bottom of tormat and checked contact block pins, cleaned and checked RCA plug and input to pulse amp. Tested 12AX7 pulse amp tube, and 2050 trip, 6x4 and both OA2's. Did I miss anything? Thanks! Rick Jackie, saw you answered a post, were you able to check, and tell me where the wires terminate on the override magnet on the Statesman? _________________________________________________________________ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 From perkinsprima at yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 4 12:15:27 2008 From: perkinsprima at yahoo.co.uk (glyn morgan) Date: Mon Aug 4 12:16:34 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 3700 amp Message-ID: <49708.94153.qm@web25308.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hi having fun resurrecting this juke from retirement.Mechanically fine now thanks to forum. Did get amp working. Found one driver board had dead 5w resistor so I swapped it from good board & it works fine. Got replacement 5w resistors & replaced them both. Amp worked fine for 3 hours yesterday but while in standby today it started buzzing so I tried record & channel with new resistors was dead. I found R28 had overheated so I replaced it still no sound so I also changed R23. Sound came back fine for about 15 secs became distorted then silence again. Signs of R28 getting hot again. Replacement 5w resistors are marked up as 5w0r47j. Hope I havnt made it too confusing, so if anyone has any ideas or another board that would be great. many thanks Glyn __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From steve at pro-ns.net Mon Aug 4 12:22:55 2008 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Mon Aug 4 12:24:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl is back- comments from a recording engineer.l In-Reply-To: <000901c8f638$e827e7f0$0301a8c0@JOHNTRAV> References: <000901c8f638$e827e7f0$0301a8c0@JOHNTRAV> Message-ID: <20080804192255.GB11859@pro-ns.net> John, I don't want to argue the subjective stuff. But I do want to challenge some of your claimed facts that I believe are innacurate. On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 08:48:20AM -0500, John Travelletti wrote: > People are finally realizing that vinyl pressings (or lacquers - > whichever) really sound better than CD's. CD's can pump a lot of > level throughout the audio spectrum with response limitations being > from about 30 Hz up through around 17 kHz. This is where CD's start > to fail, because the highest sampling rate that was possible back > when they were first released to the public would only allow > frequencies up to 17 or 18 kHz to be recorded. CDs have, since introduction, had a 44.1 KHz sample rate. http://www.duplication.ca/cdpaper.htm claims a frequency response of 5-22,000 Hz. So what's your source for "the highest sampling rate that was possible ... would only allow frequencies up to 17 or 18 kHz to be recorded" ? As opposed to sampling rates, the filtering capabilities at the time may have limited the response. > Vinyl records have the capability to register upwards of 40 to 50 > kHz. Yes, you're not going to actually hear that range unless you're > a dog, but the brain responds to the shadings and harmonics of what > is recorded and the overall listening experience isn't a stark and > plain as with a CD. Is there a scientific, double-blind study that confirms this? It leaves me skeptical. > Also, CD's are mastered to sound as loud as possible through all > frequencies, regardless of the intent of the recording. If you'd change that to *most* *recently produced* CDs, I'd agree with you. This is a hot issue which I've seen referred to (mockingly) as "louder is better". I hope you agree that this practice would sound horrible on vinyl as well? > Vinyl records are mastered to sound the best while preserving the > dynamics and nuances that the recording artist intended to convey to > the purchaser of their record. It would be more accurate to say that vinyl records are mastered first to fit within the sound reproduction limitations of the medium. See the "mastering for vinyl" section of http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug04/articles/computermastering.htm where it explains that vinyl requires compression because it's only got around 50dB of dynamic range, a tradeoff between loudness and length, problems with needles jumping out of groves if the bass is out of phase between left and right, and inner grove distortion as you get to the inside of a record. Yes, after fitting into those limitations, mastering engineers tried to preserve the original dynamics and nuances as best they could. They can do this for CDs, too, but lately they often don't. I find it supremely ironic that one of CD's best advances, > 90dB of dynamic range, is pretty much tossed asside with today's common "louder is better" mastering approach. Finally, I don't doubt that vinyl may actually sound better under ideal conditions -- a pristine, well cared for pressing on a turntable I cannot afford, with a cartridge, stylus, preamp, amp, and speakers that all have similar budgetary problems. I also think there are artifacts in CD sound reproduction that some find more objectionable than others, just as I cannot stand piano solos on vinyl because the flutter just destroys them, at least on any equipment I would consider affordable. But I still maintain that with a more average equipment budget, together with the difference between a pristine pressing and the low quality stuff I usually found in the local record bins, and the way the medium sounds after being cared for by your average user for a month, the CD was a *huge* step forward over vinyl for the majority of us. --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net "Music fans listen to music, whereas audiophiles listen to stereos." -- quoted by "sqldr" on Slashdot From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Aug 4 12:42:35 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Aug 4 12:43:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl is back- comments from a recording engineer.l In-Reply-To: <000901c8f638$e827e7f0$0301a8c0@JOHNTRAV> Message-ID: <259043.34739.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, John Travelletti wrote: > Vinyl records > have the capability to register upwards of 40 to 50 kHz. This prompts a few questions: 1) Has any record ever been produced with audio (and I'm not counting a quad-audio carrier signal) at 40-50 kHz? 2) How would that audio have been recorded? 3) How is one to play it back? > Yes, you're not going to actually hear that range unless > you're a dog, but the brain responds to the shadings and > harmonics of what is recorded and the overall listening > experience isn't a stark and plain as with a CD. So, if you can't hear the audio, only the harmonics and "shadings" (ie, distortion) why not just record the harmonics and shadings? Certainly no extant stereo, except perhaps some mega-bucks audiophool system, is capable of resolving anything close to 40 kHz, so all that will ever be reproduced at the speaker is the harmonics anyway. > Also, > CD's are mastered to sound as loud as possible through > all frequencies, regardless of the intent of the recording. That's not a limitation of the format. A *lot* of LPs and 45s were mastered with heavy compression, too. CDs have a greater dynamic range than LPs. If the engineers don't want to take advantage of that, it's not the format's fault. > Vinyl records are mastered to sound the best while > preserving the dynamics and nuances that the recording > artist intended to convey to the purchaser of their record. Such a categorical statement is wholly unwarranted. There are a lot of poorly mastered LPs out there. There are good ones as well. but, just like with CDs, the quality of the mastering has nothing to do with the format, and everything to do with the competence of the mastering engineer. > Many artists are now releasing their full albums on vinyl, > and putting the individual titles from the album in .mp3 > format for downloading - completely skipping any release on > optical discs. mp3s suck, just as cassettes sucked a generation before them. We're raising a generation of people who are happy with AM quality sound. It's the same crazy state of affairs we have with internet video. With 1080p sets now approaching affordability, people are squinting at low resolution, low frame rate, MPEG artifact riddled videos on their computer which match the quality of television signals in the early 1930s. Insanity. I love analogue sound. My studio is full of Ampexes and Tascams. But the fact is that the CD format, used by someone who knows what he is doing, is capable of more accurately reproducing the sound on the master tape than the LP format is. Surface noise, pinch effect, limited dynamic range, limited linear velocity at all but the far outside diameter, all limit the quality of sound. To make a blanket statement that LPs are *intrinsically* better than CDs is like saying that pianos are intrinsically better than violins. From drjukebox at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 13:10:17 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Mon Aug 4 13:11:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl is back- comments from a recording engineer.l In-Reply-To: <20080804192255.GB11859@pro-ns.net> References: <000901c8f638$e827e7f0$0301a8c0@JOHNTRAV> <20080804192255.GB11859@pro-ns.net> Message-ID: <3154d3690808041310j5d610794p4bc58cf13857980e@mail.gmail.com> I love vinyl and CDs leave me cold, but let me propose to you the glorious sound that can be extracted from a vintage 78 rpm shellack record in good shape, played on the proper equipment, such as a Mills jukebox or a Wurlitzer 616. Or even better, an EMT turntable with a tube type amplifier and some good speakers. Disregarding all technicalities, the only proof I will offer is the smile and amazement of the people invited to listen to the music. Jens On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: > John, I don't want to argue the subjective stuff. But I do want to > challenge some of your claimed facts that I believe are innacurate. > > From pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk Mon Aug 4 13:23:16 2008 From: pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk (Nigel Pugh) Date: Mon Aug 4 13:24:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl is back- comments from a recording engineer.l In-Reply-To: <3154d3690808041310j5d610794p4bc58cf13857980e@mail.gmail.com> References: <000901c8f638$e827e7f0$0301a8c0@JOHNTRAV> <20080804192255.GB11859@pro-ns.net> <3154d3690808041310j5d610794p4bc58cf13857980e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003b01c8f66f$ed76ae80$c8640b80$@force9.co.uk> I agree here with Jens. However I'm mindful everyone has their own opinion. CD's are certainly more convenient for the majority, but leave me out cold too. I can honestly say vinyl on a well set up jukebox, or a professional broadcast turntable never fails to put a smile on my face. People in the UK are currently forsaking quality for convenience - big speakers are being discarded for tiny earphones. How can that be better ? Just bought my 13yr old daughter a Seeburg Topaz - she loves it and is converted and has dumped the Ipod in favour. Great news! Nigel, UK -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jens Hultgren Sent: 04 August 2008 21:10 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] vinyl is back- comments from a recording engineer.l I love vinyl and CDs leave me cold, but let me propose to you the glorious sound that can be extracted from a vintage 78 rpm shellack record in good shape, played on the proper equipment, such as a Mills jukebox or a Wurlitzer 616. Or even better, an EMT turntable with a tube type amplifier and some good speakers. Disregarding all technicalities, the only proof I will offer is the smile and amazement of the people invited to listen to the music. Jens On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: > John, I don't want to argue the subjective stuff. But I do want to > challenge some of your claimed facts that I believe are innacurate. > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 4 13:27:25 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 4 13:28:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 201 selection problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <632417.57315.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Rick, You say that you checked the bottom of the TMU--is the silver worn off the grounding bar?? Does do the same two selections over and over? Will it pick any thing if you just start the scan--If not, it's probably keyboard or WI trigger switch related. P.S. detent switch must be working, or it wil ever seect--but is it working right?? (no pitts, adjusted to specs) Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/4/08, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] seeburg 201 selection problem To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 12:07 PM Working on a 201 that gives multiple selections when only one is made. Here's what I've done so far, Changed out cap and resistor in pulse amp. Checked Detent Switch (working), cleaned bottom of tormat and checked contact block pins, cleaned and checked RCA plug and input to pulse amp. Tested 12AX7 pulse amp tube, and 2050 trip, 6x4 and both OA2's. Did I miss anything? Thanks! Rick Jackie, saw you answered a post, were you able to check, and tell me where the wires terminate on the override magnet on the Statesman? _________________________________________________________________ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Mon Aug 4 13:36:44 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Aug 4 13:37:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 3700 amp In-Reply-To: <49708.94153.qm@web25308.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <49708.94153.qm@web25308.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4897685C.7070206@telus.net> glyn morgan wrote: > hi > having fun resurrecting this juke from retirement.Mechanically fine now thanks to forum. Did get amp working. Found one driver board had dead 5w resistor so I swapped it from good board & it works fine. Got replacement 5w resistors & replaced them both. Amp worked fine for 3 hours yesterday but while in standby today it started buzzing so I tried record & channel with new resistors was dead. I found R28 had overheated so I replaced it still no sound so I also changed R23. Sound came back fine for about 15 secs became distorted then silence again. Signs of R28 getting hot again. Replacement 5w resistors are marked up as 5w0r47j. Hope I havnt made it too confusing, so if anyone has any ideas or another board that would be great. > many thanks Glyn > > There are Wurlitzer factory updates recommended for the 3700 amplifier to make it the same as the more reliable 3800 amplifier. http://flippers.com/37-3800w.html John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ccos at knology.net Mon Aug 4 13:42:00 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Aug 4 13:43:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl is back- comments from a recording engineer.l References: <000901c8f638$e827e7f0$0301a8c0@JOHNTRAV> <20080804192255.GB11859@pro-ns.net><3154d3690808041310j5d610794p4bc58cf13857980e@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c8f66f$ed76ae80$c8640b80$@force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <009c01c8f672$90d60970$6501a8c0@home31b34d4856> Same thoughts come to me about the Bose Wave radio. It's amazingly good for such a small, convenient package, but it just doesn't fill me like a good set of 15" woffers from back in the day, and it shouldn't be expected to except by those who don't know any better and are comparing a wave radio to a boom box. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Pugh" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] vinyl is back- comments from a recording engineer.l >I agree here with Jens. However I'm mindful everyone has their own opinion. > CD's are certainly more convenient for the majority, but leave me out cold > too. > > I can honestly say vinyl on a well set up jukebox, or a professional > broadcast turntable never fails to put a smile on my face. > > People in the UK are currently forsaking quality for convenience - big > speakers are being discarded for tiny earphones. How can that be better ? > > Just bought my 13yr old daughter a Seeburg Topaz - she loves it and is > converted and has dumped the Ipod in favour. Great news! > > Nigel, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com > [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Jens > Hultgren > Sent: 04 August 2008 21:10 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] vinyl is back- comments from a recording > engineer.l > > I love vinyl and CDs leave me cold, but let me propose to you the > glorious > sound that can be extracted from a vintage 78 rpm shellack record in good > shape, played on the proper equipment, such as a Mills jukebox or a > Wurlitzer 616. Or even better, an EMT turntable with a tube type amplifier > and some good speakers. > > Disregarding all technicalities, the only proof I will offer is the smile > and amazement of the people invited to listen to the music. > > Jens > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Steve Wahl wrote: > >> John, I don't want to argue the subjective stuff. But I do want to >> challenge some of your claimed facts that I believe are innacurate. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Mon Aug 4 15:14:58 2008 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Mon Aug 4 15:21:09 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl is back - Best of Both Worlds Message-ID: First and foremost, I loved the times in which one could go down to their favorite record store and buy either their favorite 45, or the entire album that contained beautiful color, and a lot of history on the back of the jacket. There was nothing like opening that new record album and smelling that new smell of the new printed record/album just before you played it. Yes, records were great. Like everything else, technology has ruled the roost. We all know that technology is not necessarily better, but it is quick and cheap. Everyone wants a quick fix. If you don't believe it, take a look at your nearest McDonald's parking lot as it is full! Because of this, we will never go back to records and conventional record players. Sure, one can go into Targets and find an Emerson reproduction record player, but the masses are over there oohing an ahhing over the new Ipod or Zune MP3 players. One thing for sure, years ago, one could not carry an arm full of 45s and a record player in to work and enjoy the hit of the week as they sat at their desk eating lunch. The Zune or Ipod, regardless of the differences in sound, can provide you with 1000s of songs at any given time. So, there are the ups and downs to everything. I guess being a collector of vintage record players and thousands of albums, I enjoy both worlds as I enjoy my Zune while on long walks. Who would have thought that that I would be enjoying listening to Billy Murray (turn of the century acoustic recording artist) and Rudy Vallee on my MP3 player. You know what...they sound as good as ever! My 2 cents and Thanks! Brantley From jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 4 15:35:04 2008 From: jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Mon Aug 4 15:36:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl or digital Message-ID: <576026.44721.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Are you listening to your audio source thru a solid-state or tube type amplifier??I understand you can buy a separate CD drive, a separate dual digital to audio converter, and a separate power supply to run it. When I sold audio equipment, in the late 70's we had a big system that used an electronic crossover, and 3 separate amps (highs, mids, and lows). John the Jukebox Man From jay at west.net Mon Aug 4 18:26:01 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Aug 4 18:26:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl is back- comments from a recording engineer.l In-Reply-To: <009c01c8f672$90d60970$6501a8c0@home31b34d4856> References: <000901c8f638$e827e7f0$0301a8c0@JOHNTRAV> <20080804192255.GB11859@pro-ns.net><3154d3690808041310j5d610794p4bc58cf13857980e@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c8f66f$ed76ae80$c8640b80$@force9.co.uk> <009c01c8f672$90d60970$6501a8c0@home31b34d4856> Message-ID: <4897AC29.20403@west.net> CCOS wrote: > > Same thoughts come to me about the Bose Wave radio. It's amazingly good > for such a small, convenient package, but it just doesn't fill me like a > good set of 15" woffers from back in the day, and it shouldn't be > expected to except by those who don't know any better and are comparing > a wave radio to a boom box. But compare the Bose Wave to a Kloss model 88, about the same size and shape at half the price, and the Bose will sound much like the boom box. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From Jjmscf at aol.com Mon Aug 4 20:08:46 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 4 20:14:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl is back- comments from a recording engineer.l Message-ID: I still have and play those 15" woofers on my main stereo setup. Realistic Mach series are not the best 15" woofer speakers but they have a following. I had to have a set when I first heard them back in the 80s and at 19 years old I took home my set that I still have at 40.The bass from these babies can be felt through the floor. I had to have them refoamed a couple years back so now they're ready for another 18 years or so until it's refoam time again. I hope vintage speakers can still be refoamed again in 2026. They'll be 40 year old speakers by then and I'll be approaching 60. The only down side of speakers with that much bass is trying to use them with a turntable and eliminate turntable feedback.The turntable has to be far enough away that the cartridge doesn't pick the bass up through the air...lol.I know this because when I first got them I had a small room. Above a certain volume level the bass had to be turned down or Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!! Even with the turntable held in my hands thus isolating it from the floor or walls completely!! Sadly that is one ill of vinyl in that is subject to feedback and if not on a very solid floor can actually be made to skip with enough vibration(people dancing or jumping up and down) when using the higher quality extremely light tracking cartridges.Cd players can skip if jostled but they don't seem as sensitive as a light tracking turntable.Of course the heavy tracking monsters(Think BSR with those cheap everything plastic record changers and record eater Tetrad cartridges. Those things tracked at 6 grams in the days when good equipment was capable of 1 and 1/2 gram easy) most of the general public used back in the day the needle could plow right through no matter what and if the record still skipped they put a coin on the end of the tonearm.Of course they sounded like crap thus the general public readily embraced cds. J.C. In a message dated 8/4/2008 4:44:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ccos@knology.net writes: Same thoughts come to me about the Bose Wave radio. It's amazingly good for such a small, convenient package, but it just doesn't fill me like a good set of 15" woffers from back in the day, and it shouldn't be expected to except by those who don't know any better and are comparing a wave radio to a boom box. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From dave.halford at telent.com Tue Aug 5 02:40:15 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Tue Aug 5 02:41:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl is back- comments from a recording engineer.l Message-ID: <20080805094018.C1B311ECFC9@blade104.la.inty.net> All Vinyl reproduction certainly has it's limitations though why you would want to use a very high end audiophile cart without mounting the deck on solid concrete escapes me unless you're trying to make a point ;O) My answer would be 'get a bigger room'. Reading all the previous mail one would assume that half of those on here have dumped their vinyl mechs in favour of a nice new shiney CD one because it's better....................... No thought not ! Here in Britain USB port equipped vinyl players are appearing in lots of outlets, whether those sales are driven by vinyl to mp3 conversions or not is debatable, but limited numbers of new 7" vinyl chart singles are now available in record outlets that previously didn't carry them so someone has started buying them. It might be a reaction to the high death rate of CD auto changer players at the lower end of the market . We have had two of the kids units die over the years. but who knows? regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From ccos at knology.net Tue Aug 5 06:02:02 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Tue Aug 5 06:03:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl is back- comments from a recording engineer.l References: Message-ID: <001601c8f6fb$740bbe50$6501a8c0@home31b34d4856> Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] vinyl is back- comments from a recording engineer.l >I still have and play those 15" woofers on my main stereo setup. Realistic > Mach series are not the best 15" woofer speakers but they have a > following. I > had to have a set when I first heard them back in the 80s and at 19 years > old I took home my set that I still have at 40.The bass from these babies > can > be felt through the floor. I had to have them refoamed a couple years > back so > now they're ready for another 18 years or so until it's refoam time > again. I > hope vintage speakers can still be refoamed again in 2026. They'll be 40 > year old speakers by then and I'll be approaching 60. > > The only down side of speakers with that much bass is trying to use them > with a turntable and eliminate turntable feedback.The turntable has to be > far > enough away that the cartridge doesn't pick the bass up through the > air...lol.I > know this because when I first got them I had a small room. Above a > certain > volume level the bass had to be turned down or Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!! > Even with the turntable held in my hands thus isolating it from the floor > or > walls completely!! > > Sadly that is one ill of vinyl in that is subject to feedback and if not > on > a very solid floor can actually be made to skip with enough > vibration(people > dancing or jumping up and down) when using the higher quality extremely > light > tracking cartridges.Cd players can skip if jostled but they don't seem as > sensitive as a light tracking turntable.Of course the heavy tracking > monsters(Think BSR with those cheap everything plastic record changers > and record > eater Tetrad cartridges. Those things tracked at 6 grams in the days > when good > equipment was capable of 1 and 1/2 gram easy) most of the general public > used > back in the day the needle could plow right through no matter what and if > the > record still skipped they put a coin on the end of the tonearm.Of course > they sounded like crap thus the general public readily embraced cds. > > J.C. > > > In a message dated 8/4/2008 4:44:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ccos@knology.net writes: > > > Same thoughts come to me about the Bose Wave radio. It's amazingly good > for > such a small, convenient package, but it just doesn't fill me like a good > set of 15" woffers from back in the day, and it shouldn't be expected to > except by those who don't know any better and are comparing a wave radio > to > a boom box. > > > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From ccos at knology.net Tue Aug 5 06:11:55 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Tue Aug 5 06:13:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl is back- comments from a recording engineer.l References: Message-ID: <001901c8f6fc$d5c0c130$6501a8c0@home31b34d4856> I still have my original Pioneer CS 903's that I bought new in Germany in 1982. They are pretty massive and have 15" woofers. Still haven't needed to refoam them but I suspect it's coming soon. I have them in my shop and get offers to buy them all the time. They weren't available for sale in the US as they didn't meet some kind of FCC emissions standards, but it was legal for us GI's to buy them overseas and bring them home. The effeciency is just amazing. at something like 99db but don't quote me as I can't remember for sure. I have had a cheap $40 little boombox driving them before as a demo for folks that don't believe the importance of speakers in a system. I ran across a lady (must have been mad at her husband), who sold me an identical set once for $75 to "get them out of the house". I also have a set of Techniqs SB2685's that were in storage their whole lives, since the early 80's as well. I had to refoam those. Both sets are here in my shop and every now and then I hook em up to a jukebox......talk about a rocking workplace!!!! Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] vinyl is back- comments from a recording engineer.l >I still have and play those 15" woofers on my main stereo setup. Realistic > Mach series are not the best 15" woofer speakers but they have a > following. I > had to have a set when I first heard them back in the 80s and at 19 years > old I took home my set that I still have at 40.The bass from these babies > can > be felt through the floor. I had to have them refoamed a couple years > back so > now they're ready for another 18 years or so until it's refoam time > again. I > hope vintage speakers can still be refoamed again in 2026. They'll be 40 > year old speakers by then and I'll be approaching 60. > > The only down side of speakers with that much bass is trying to use them > with a turntable and eliminate turntable feedback.The turntable has to be > far > enough away that the cartridge doesn't pick the bass up through the > air...lol.I > know this because when I first got them I had a small room. Above a > certain > volume level the bass had to be turned down or Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!! > Even with the turntable held in my hands thus isolating it from the floor > or > walls completely!! > > Sadly that is one ill of vinyl in that is subject to feedback and if not > on > a very solid floor can actually be made to skip with enough > vibration(people > dancing or jumping up and down) when using the higher quality extremely > light > tracking cartridges.Cd players can skip if jostled but they don't seem as > sensitive as a light tracking turntable.Of course the heavy tracking > monsters(Think BSR with those cheap everything plastic record changers > and record > eater Tetrad cartridges. Those things tracked at 6 grams in the days > when good > equipment was capable of 1 and 1/2 gram easy) most of the general public > used > back in the day the needle could plow right through no matter what and if > the > record still skipped they put a coin on the end of the tonearm.Of course > they sounded like crap thus the general public readily embraced cds. > > J.C. > > > In a message dated 8/4/2008 4:44:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ccos@knology.net writes: > > > Same thoughts come to me about the Bose Wave radio. It's amazingly good > for > such a small, convenient package, but it just doesn't fill me like a good > set of 15" woffers from back in the day, and it shouldn't be expected to > except by those who don't know any better and are comparing a wave radio > to > a boom box. > > > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Aug 5 06:42:25 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Aug 5 06:43:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl is back- comments from a recording engineer.l In-Reply-To: <631268.96892.qm@web54603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <763965.68992.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > So =David... do tube amps sound the same as transistors? Also what > is the sound difference from tubes VS Transistors? and best off > why?? (Just curous to see what your answer is) When over-driven, tube amps produce distortion in the form of harmonics. Transistor amps produce distortion in the form of clipping. Ironically, it's the *distortion* than many claim is the "phat tube sound" that's so desirable. *Lack* of distortion is the goal in audio reproduction. Played at moderate levels, the percievable difference between the two is mostly a function of the ego of the owner. :-) From steve at pro-ns.net Tue Aug 5 08:35:52 2008 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Tue Aug 5 08:37:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] vinyl is back- comments from a recording engineer.l In-Reply-To: <20080805094018.C1B311ECFC9@blade104.la.inty.net> References: <20080805094018.C1B311ECFC9@blade104.la.inty.net> Message-ID: <20080805153552.GA23869@pro-ns.net> On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 10:40:15AM +0100, dave.halford@telent.com wrote: > Here in Britain USB port equipped vinyl players are appearing in lots of > outlets, whether those sales are driven by vinyl to mp3 conversions or not > is debatable... The USB turntables have an analog to digital converter in them that closely approximates the CD specs: probably 44.1 KHz, 16 bit samples, or specs really close to that. So the sound through USB is at best that of a vinyl record recorded to CD, which should be the worst of both worlds! And on top of that, most of those I've seen advertised aren't great quality turntables, either. So I think it's not pristine audio quality but something else driving this. I've personally made some really pleasing (to me anyway) LP to CD / MP3 conversions, using the turntable and reciever I've had for years, connecting the tape out of the reciever to whatever sound card's input. I don't want to sound like I'm being obstinate. I think there's many reasons vinyl can (at least subjectively, and isn't that what really matters?) sound better than digital. I just think at least a few of the reasons are not because it is more capable of reproducing the original audio, but because the listeners find the sound more pleasing for reasons not contained in S/N ratio and frequency response: maybe the vinyl distortions are more ear pleasing than digital; perhaps some barely perceptible groove noise is percieved as warmth, perhaps some jitter in the digital playback clock is percieved as harshness. Or maybe the production values that went into the mastering were simply better, independent of the actual media. (If you haven't guessed, I highly suspect this is a large contributing factor.) And I think misconceptions as to why something sounds better doesn't serve anyone. That is why I dive in and question the source when somebody says things like CDs only get 30-17,000 Hz frequencey response. Sorry if this is boring all of you. --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Q: It reverses the logical flow of conversation. A: Why is top posting frowned upon? From berry.bell at att.net Tue Aug 5 13:17:03 2008 From: berry.bell at att.net (berry.bell@att.net) Date: Tue Aug 5 13:18:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Change of email address Message-ID: <080520082017.22868.4898B53F0009340D0000595422193100029B0A02D29B9B0EBFCACE0A059A06@att.net> Hello, Can you please note my change of email address to: berrycbell@gmail.com I would like to continue to receive the list. Thank you, Berry C. Bell From pinball at telus.net Tue Aug 5 13:31:08 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Tue Aug 5 13:32:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Change of email address In-Reply-To: <080520082017.22868.4898B53F0009340D0000595422193100029B0A02D29B9B0EBFCACE0A059A06@att.net> References: <080520082017.22868.4898B53F0009340D0000595422193100029B0A02D29B9B0EBFCACE0A059A06@att.net> Message-ID: <4898B88C.1070001@telus.net> berry.bell@att.net wrote: > Hello, > > Can you please note my change of email address to: > > berrycbell@gmail.com > > I would like to continue to receive the list. > > Thank you, > Berry C. Bell > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list <---- GO HERE!!! > > If anyone wishes to change their email address for the list it would be best if they simply went to the web site listed at the bottom of each email posted to the list. It is not the moderators job to update emails - especially when a simple automated process exists! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jeffzurn at cox.net Wed Aug 6 09:42:06 2008 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Wed Aug 6 09:44:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] shameless request... References: <000901c8f638$e827e7f0$0301a8c0@JOHNTRAV> <20080804192255.GB11859@pro-ns.net><3154d3690808041310j5d610794p4bc58cf13857980e@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c8f66f$ed76ae80$c8640b80$@force9.co.uk><009c01c8f672$90d60970$6501a8c0@home31b34d4856> <4897AC29.20403@west.net> Message-ID: <002401c8f7e3$5d47c2c0$640fa8c0@ZURNT60> Does anyone on the list have a pair of AMOA passes for the LV Expo they won't be using this year? Please contact me off-list. Thank you Jeff Zurn Arizona Jukebox Company jeff@arizonajukeboxcompany.com From gibson510 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 6 16:39:57 2008 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Wed Aug 6 16:40:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] no luck with wurlys lately Message-ID: Playing with a nice 2500 that will make selections, but doesn't start. If i manually trip a pin it works fine. I've followed the items listed in the blue pages (troubleshooting) but not getting anywhere. Thoughts, comments, Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 From pinball at telus.net Wed Aug 6 17:15:07 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Aug 6 17:16:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] no luck with wurlys lately In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <489A3E8B.2010108@telus.net> rick murray wrote: > Playing with a nice 2500 that will make selections, but doesn't start. If i manually trip a pin it works fine. I've followed the items listed in the blue pages (troubleshooting) but not getting anywhere. Thoughts, comments, > Thanks! > > So the wobble plate contacts are working? Have you checked the wiring to make sure no breaks from these? A little confused by your explanation. You say it makes selections but won't start then you say that if you manually trip a pin it works. So, I think what you mean is when you make a selection it makes noises, but no pin pops up. If that is the case then check the Start microswitch located under the Reversing switch deep in the memory unit. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From Jjmscf at aol.com Wed Aug 6 18:48:55 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 6 18:56:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Unusual Wurlitzer Cassette Jukebox Message-ID: Looks like the guy that offered me the Wurlitzer cassette jukebox a couple of years back has finally decided to let it go but at a higher price.I wish him luck as he's coming into a worse juke market than a couple of years ago.Too rich for my blood these days and too far to drive with the price of gas these days.Not 100% sure it's the same guy but it's in Haymarket,VA and I don't think there's too many Wurly cassette jukes in the same town.Same place I picked up my Mills Do Re Me for the same price,another coincidence?(What was I thinking?....lol) I gotta look to see if I can dig up his no. that would tell me for sure if it's him. _http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/clt/783758733.html_ (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/clt/783758733.html) Wonder if he'll ever come off that unrestored but it played at his daughter's wedding Wurlitzer 1015 he had in his basement and refused to sell. Maybe that will hit craigslist in another couple of years who knows? J.C. In a message dated 7/13/2008 9:22:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Jjmscf@aol.com writes: Me either. I think there is only a C-110,a C-111 and a hideaway model so the idea didn't last long. I've seen 2 in person.One at a jukebox show and 1 I had the opportunity to buy when I was buying another juke off of him and the guy was gonna let me have it for $500 but his wife said no.She didn't want to sell it.It was in excellent shape and played. It just had a little problem switching sides. There was also an 8 track jukebox (non-U.S.)Mike Zucharo shows it in his selectomatic restoration video where he shows off some of his jukes in the beginning. I forgot who made it and where. I've never seen one anywhere except that video. J.C. In a message dated 7/13/2008 7:21:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gnharvey@iprimus.com.au writes: >There is an a Wurlitzer listed on ebay at the moment that is different. It plays cassette's. >Item number 220256091297. I have not seen or heard of these before. I looked up my >Always Jukin' Guide and it is listed. I would not think that in a commercial sense playing a >whole side of a cassette would appeal. >Graeme Harvey _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Aug 6 19:55:36 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Aug 6 19:56:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] no luck with wurlys lately In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <120330.6826.qm@web55813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Gonna need to 'splain yourself a little better--what do you mean "--will make selections, but won't start---" 5f it won't release the pin, it ain't "making selections" ?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/6/08, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] no luck with wurlys lately To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 4:39 PM Playing with a nice 2500 that will make selections, but doesn't start. If i manually trip a pin it works fine. I've followed the items listed in the blue pages (troubleshooting) but not getting anywhere. Thoughts, comments, Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From joe400f at shaw.ca Wed Aug 6 20:43:09 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Wed Aug 6 20:44:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] no luck with wurlys lately References: <120330.6826.qm@web55813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c8f83f$b608d780$f4884f18@compaq> Does it accumulate credits? Does the credit lite work? Has the credit lite ever worked? Do the selection buttons latch when pressed? Do you know if someone adapted some sort of " free play " setup? I am not exactly familiar with that model but the selection process is very similiar on many models older than this one. Does it have a credit button that will give you one selection? Joey McDonald From caswellcivil2 at bigpond.com Thu Aug 7 02:24:08 2008 From: caswellcivil2 at bigpond.com (CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE) Date: Thu Aug 7 02:17:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] using a multimeter on jukes Message-ID: <000601c8f86f$58f63d50$ce0aba7c@jason> I am about to buy a multimeter, but I have no idea how to use it, especially in the context of using it on a juke. Does any one know a helpful web page, I have trawled through a lot of them but all talk about using them on modern electronics. Or better still does anyone have some tips, Thanks Jason From chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 7 02:40:45 2008 From: chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk (Chris K. Tanner) Date: Thu Aug 7 02:42:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] using a multimeter on jukes References: <000601c8f86f$58f63d50$ce0aba7c@jason> Message-ID: <025801c8f871$b100ed40$ab01a8c0@acerc2d0f03b5f> Beware ! Without a basic appreciation of electrical systems , voltage, current resistance measuring techniques you could cause yourself a lot of harm. I don't think you should rely on books and the internet for advice. Some basic hands on training in this area should be obtained if you have no knowledge in this field. I am sure my opinion will be common throughout the community. We would not like to loose anybody ! Chris T UK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE" To: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] using a multimeter on jukes I am about to buy a multimeter, but I have no idea how to use it, especially in the context of using it on a juke. Does any one know a helpful web page, I have trawled through a lot of them but all talk about using them on modern electronics. Or better still does anyone have some tips, Thanks Jason _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1597 - Release Date: 8/7/2008 5:54 AM From pinball at telus.net Thu Aug 7 07:24:08 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Aug 7 07:25:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] using a multimeter on jukes In-Reply-To: <000601c8f86f$58f63d50$ce0aba7c@jason> References: <000601c8f86f$58f63d50$ce0aba7c@jason> Message-ID: <489B0588.9030109@telus.net> CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE wrote: > I am about to buy a multimeter, but I have no idea how to use it, especially in the context of using it on a juke. Does any one know a helpful web page, I have trawled through a lot of them but all talk about using them on modern electronics. Or better still does anyone have some tips, > Thanks > > Jason Well, for the folks new to multimeters about the safest use you can put them to for servicing jukeboxes is the Resistance tests. These are all best done with the jukebox unplugged. You simply need to gain experience in reading resistance across contacts of switches, microswitches, and blade switches/wipers to learn if they are working correctly or not. It is very important to have a good connection between the probes of your meter and the item you are testing. I recommend using a healthy pair of alligator jumper wires that with one end on each of the probe tips, and the other to grasp the lug of the switch in question and read the resistance when the switch is both open and closed. A point to consider when testing switches is if the switch is still soldered into the circuit when the switch is open it still may indicate a short as an switch somewhere else in parallel with it may also be closed (cancel circuits for example) I am using the convention that the letter "R" is used to indicate the period place holder when measuring resistance. With an ohm-meter (resistance) set to the lowest setting (200R or less) a good switch will show about 0.2 ohms (0R2) resistance - remember to check the lead resistance first and to mentally subtract that from any reading - probes shorted should show about 0R2 to 0R4 (ohms). Here are a couple of web sites on using the resistance scale of your meter: http://www.newsandtech.com/issues/2005/10-05/nt/10-05_bourlon.htm http://flippers.com/ami-rowe.html (I show pictures of testing microswitches) John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 7 08:55:49 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 7 08:56:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] using a multimeter on jukes In-Reply-To: <025801c8f871$b100ed40$ab01a8c0@acerc2d0f03b5f> Message-ID: <497108.45036.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jason, I have to agree with what Chris has written, and take it a step further. Aside from what one can damage in an electrical circuit, the possibility exists that one can kill oneself, even with the "power off".? This is not too likely in a jukebox, as most models don't run at "hi voltage"--but, still, with the power on, it's a danger. Some (other machines) have "high voltage", and it can be retained for years AFTER the power has been turned off. On MOST jukes, the circuits have been designed to "bleed off" high voltage, when the power is removed--but it MAY take a few moments, or if the circuit is defective, it may not "bleed" at all. My advice to anyone?would be: Become educated prior to purchasing any meter. This can be "formal" schooling, or just having someone with knowledge "standing there,beside you", teaching you. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Chris K. Tanner wrote: From: Chris K. Tanner Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] using a multimeter on jukes To: "CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE" , "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 2:40 AM Beware ! Without a basic appreciation of electrical systems , voltage, current resistance measuring techniques you could cause yourself a lot of harm. I don't think you should rely on books and the internet for advice. Some basic hands on training in this area should be obtained if you have no knowledge in this field. I am sure my opinion will be common throughout the community. We would not like to loose anybody ! Chris T UK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE" To: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] using a multimeter on jukes I am about to buy a multimeter, but I have no idea how to use it, especially in the context of using it on a juke. Does any one know a helpful web page, I have trawled through a lot of them but all talk about using them on modern electronics. Or better still does anyone have some tips, Thanks Jason _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1597 - Release Date: 8/7/2008 5:54 AM _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Thu Aug 7 09:29:11 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Thu Aug 7 09:30:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] using a multimeter on jukes In-Reply-To: <497108.45036.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <497108.45036.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <489B22D7.10101@telus.net> The only jukeboxes that I have found to retain any charge on any capacitors over a few minutes are the Seeburg CD Jukebox (SCD1) amplifiers. These filter caps are across MOSFET output transistors and retain their charge of 50VDC for quite a while - no bleeder resistors installed! Otherwise all jukeboxes and pinball games (without a tube style monitor) discharge within seconds to a minute or two once unplugged. On machines prior to the 1980s I consider charged capacitors as a non-issue, other than checking amplifier or Tormat power supply caps with a voltmeter before poking at them. Jason here wanted to know about testing older jukeboxes (at least that is how I read his post) and considering that 99% of problems with machines is directly related to switch failures (micro/blade/toggle) it is the logical place to start learning - always with the machine unplugged of course! John :-#)# Ron Rich wrote: > Jason, > I have to agree with what Chris has written, and take it a step further. Aside from what one can damage in an electrical circuit, the possibility exists that one can kill oneself, even with the "power off". This is not too likely in a jukebox, as most models don't run at "hi voltage"--but, still, with the power on, it's a danger. Some (other machines) have "high voltage", and it can be retained for years AFTER the power has been turned off. On MOST jukes, the circuits have been designed to "bleed off" high voltage, when the power is removed--but it MAY take a few moments, or if the circuit is defective, it may not "bleed" at all. > My advice to anyone would be: Become educated prior to purchasing any meter. This can be "formal" schooling, or just having someone with knowledge "standing there,beside you", teaching you. Ron Rich > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Chris K. Tanner wrote: > > From: Chris K. Tanner > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] using a multimeter on jukes > To: "CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE" , "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 2:40 AM > > Beware ! Without a basic appreciation of electrical systems , voltage, > current resistance measuring techniques you could cause yourself a lot of > harm. I don't think you should rely on books and the internet for advice. > Some basic hands on training in this area should be obtained if you have no > knowledge in this field. I am sure my opinion will be common throughout the > community. We would not like to loose anybody ! > Chris T > UK. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:24 AM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] using a multimeter on jukes > > > > I am about to buy a multimeter, but I have no idea how to use it, especially > in the context of using it on a juke. Does any one know a helpful web page, > I have trawled through a lot of them but all talk about using them on modern > electronics. Or better still does anyone have some tips, > Thanks > > Jason -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From dan at dakmusic.com Thu Aug 7 13:03:41 2008 From: dan at dakmusic.com (Dan Fuchs) Date: Thu Aug 7 13:04:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3800 Message-ID: Hello: Does anybody know how to set a wurlitzer 3800 to free play? thank you, dan From julie.mitchell at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 13:11:21 2008 From: julie.mitchell at gmail.com (Julie Mitchell) Date: Thu Aug 7 13:12:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3800 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a 1050, so I assume it's the same. There should be a free play switch on the panel with the relay switches. There is also a free play relay switch for about $20 you can buy that does it automatically. On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Dan Fuchs wrote: > Hello: > Does anybody know how to set a wurlitzer 3800 to free play? > thank you, > dan > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Thu Aug 7 14:31:26 2008 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Thu Aug 7 14:32:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg STD2 spurious slection at 179 /279 Message-ID: <008e01c8f8d4$f985f480$4201a8c0@JUKEBUS> Nearly got my latest Entertainer finished, but I'm occasionally getting an extra selection played. It's always 179 or 279 (the end of the rack). Initially I suspected the grey box, and after replacing it things appeared OK for a while.... but then it did it again. I'm now wondering if the reversing switch is causing a spike on the supply that is (sometimes) being picked up by the trip circuit?? Anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Adrian. From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Thu Aug 7 18:08:44 2008 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 7 18:09:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City-II Driving slow Message-ID: <714389.9827.qm@web96008.mail.aue.yahoo.com> I usually steer clear of these, but one has come my way. Problem is the turntable motor is running slow.. about 33 rpm if i am lucky the pressure of the motor spindle to rubber drive ring seems ok.. the selection side is perfect... what voltage should be at the drive motor? Any help on this would be great. Regards John From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Thu Aug 7 21:43:01 2008 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Thu Aug 7 21:44:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City-II Driving slow Message-ID: Hi John! I've had a bunch of these over the years. Pull the motor and clean the bearings and re-lube it. The original lube get's thick and will really slow the motor down. If you want to verify that that is the case, apply a small ammount of aerokroil or WD to the shaft by the bearing and inside the armature, soon as you hit it it will take off!! Mel From metrocinema at xtra.co.nz Thu Aug 7 22:42:31 2008 From: metrocinema at xtra.co.nz (John Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 7 22:43:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City-II Driving slow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <649298.32242.qm@web96014.mail.aue.yahoo.com> You are a Champion Mel, Cleaned the motor re-assembled and away it went... sounds like the bass speakers are in need of a re-build, pluss the volume control is a bit scratchy.... hopefully a junker has turned out to be saved... Kind Regards John at the Metro Cinema NewZealand --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mel Knight wrote: > From: Mel Knight > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City-II Driving slow > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Received: Friday, 8 August, 2008, 4:43 PM > Hi John! I've had a bunch of these over the years. Pull > the motor and clean the bearings and re-lube it. The > original lube get's thick and will really slow the motor > down. If you want to verify that that is the case, apply a > small ammount of aerokroil or WD to the shaft by the bearing > and inside the armature, soon as you hit it it will take > off!! Mel > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Aug 8 06:38:59 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Aug 8 06:41:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City-II Bass speaker (was-NSM Driving slow) In-Reply-To: <649298.32242.qm@web96014.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <649298.32242.qm@web96014.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080808133514.M77949@dwave.net> John, On my NSM Satellite the bass speakers have a foam surround where the outer edge of the cone attaches to the frame of the speaker. These rot over time and can cause a terrible sound when bad. Check the foam before you get a replacement speaker. It is pretty easy to replace and usually cheaper. Jeremy Agema On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:42:31 +1000 (EST), John Wilson wrote > You are a Champion Mel, > Cleaned the motor re-assembled and away it went... sounds like the > bass speakers are in need of a re-build, pluss the volume control is > a bit scratchy.... hopefully a junker has turned out to be saved... > Kind Regards John at the Metro Cinema NewZealand > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mel Knight wrote: > > > From: Mel Knight > > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City-II Driving slow > > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > Received: Friday, 8 August, 2008, 4:43 PM > > Hi John! I've had a bunch of these over the years. Pull > > the motor and clean the bearings and re-lube it. The > > original lube get's thick and will really slow the motor > > down. If you want to verify that that is the case, apply a > > small ammount of aerokroil or WD to the shaft by the bearing > > and inside the armature, soon as you hit it it will take > > off!! Mel > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jscaptura at stny.rr.com Fri Aug 8 06:44:43 2008 From: jscaptura at stny.rr.com (Jon Scaptura) Date: Fri Aug 8 06:48:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City-II Bass speaker (was-NSM Driving slow) References: <649298.32242.qm@web96014.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <20080808133514.M77949@dwave.net> Message-ID: Jeremy, Two of the woofers and four of the midranges on my Concert 240 have foam rot. Who would you recommend buying the refoam kits from? Are there some kits that are easier than others? Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Agema" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City-II Bass speaker (was-NSM Driving slow) > John, On my NSM Satellite the bass speakers have a foam surround where the > outer edge of the cone attaches to the frame of the speaker. These rot > over > time and can cause a terrible sound when bad. > > Check the foam before you get a replacement speaker. It is pretty easy to > replace and usually cheaper. > > Jeremy Agema > > On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:42:31 +1000 (EST), John Wilson wrote >> You are a Champion Mel, >> Cleaned the motor re-assembled and away it went... sounds like the >> bass speakers are in need of a re-build, pluss the volume control is >> a bit scratchy.... hopefully a junker has turned out to be saved... >> Kind Regards John at the Metro Cinema NewZealand >> >> --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mel Knight wrote: >> >> > From: Mel Knight >> > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City-II Driving slow >> > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > Received: Friday, 8 August, 2008, 4:43 PM >> > Hi John! I've had a bunch of these over the years. Pull >> > the motor and clean the bearings and re-lube it. The >> > original lube get's thick and will really slow the motor >> > down. If you want to verify that that is the case, apply a >> > small ammount of aerokroil or WD to the shaft by the bearing >> > and inside the armature, soon as you hit it it will take >> > off!! Mel >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From grahamricho at hotmail.com Fri Aug 8 14:23:14 2008 From: grahamricho at hotmail.com (graham) Date: Fri Aug 8 14:24:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe ami r85 ccp ? Message-ID: I have a mech from a Rowe Ami R 84 jukebox which has the CCP missing, Will the CCP from a Rowe Ami R85 work with it ? Whats the difference in the Rowe Ami R 85,R84,R63 CCPs thanks From grahamricho at hotmail.com Fri Aug 8 14:28:39 2008 From: grahamricho at hotmail.com (graham) Date: Fri Aug 8 14:30:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami CCP ? should have read CCC ! Message-ID: Hi its the main board the CCC not the CCP ! Does anybody have a spare one ? From jeffzurn at cox.net Fri Aug 8 15:08:13 2008 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Fri Aug 8 15:10:51 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 References: Message-ID: <000401c8f9a3$40b21fe0$0301a8c0@ZURNT60> Can anyone suggest a source (and product #) for the 'Lift Arms' used on a RO 474? These are the hydraulic arms used to keep the lid up while servicing. Thank you. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "graham" To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 2:28 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami CCP ? should have read CCC ! Hi its the main board the CCC not the CCP ! Does anybody have a spare one ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 15:57:37 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Fri Aug 8 15:58:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami CCP ? should have read CCC ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is yours missing or is it need of repair? If it is need of repair, Bruce Wentworth is your best bet. If it is missing, any CCC from Rowe R-84 thru R-88 will work. I have working units, but they would be more expensive than sending yours to Bruce for repair. Contact me off-list if you need a complete CCC. Thomas On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:28 PM, graham wrote: > Hi its the main board the CCC not the CCP ! > Does anybody have a spare one ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Aug 8 15:57:43 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Aug 8 15:59:09 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City-II Bass speaker (was-NSM Driving slow) In-Reply-To: References: <649298.32242.qm@web96014.mail.aue.yahoo.com> <20080808133514.M77949@dwave.net> Message-ID: <20080808224728.M8552@dwave.net> There are many suppliers of foam kits. I have used Speaker Works Northwest (www.speakerworks.net) for my supplies. I chose the method where you cut out the dust cap then wedge shims to center the voice coil (they sell replacement caps and shim kits also). That might not work if your speakers have the chrome dust caps. The other method is to wedge newspaper behind the cone to center it then perform the refoaming. They have good info on their site to help you out. And they have a online video showing the refoaming process. The kits also come with good instructions. I have done 4 speakers so far and have had great results. Jeremy Agema On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:44:43 -0400, Jon Scaptura wrote > Jeremy, > > Two of the woofers and four of the midranges on my Concert 240 have > foam rot. Who would you recommend buying the refoam kits from? Are > there some kits that are easier than others? > > Jon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremy Agema" > To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM City-II Bass speaker (was-NSM > Driving slow) > > > John, On my NSM Satellite the bass speakers have a foam surround where the > > outer edge of the cone attaches to the frame of the speaker. These rot > > over > > time and can cause a terrible sound when bad. > > > > Check the foam before you get a replacement speaker. It is pretty easy to > > replace and usually cheaper. > > > > Jeremy Agema > > > > On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:42:31 +1000 (EST), John Wilson wrote > >> You are a Champion Mel, > >> Cleaned the motor re-assembled and away it went... sounds like the > >> bass speakers are in need of a re-build, pluss the volume control is > >> a bit scratchy.... hopefully a junker has turned out to be saved... > >> Kind Regards John at the Metro Cinema NewZealand > >> > >> --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Mel Knight wrote: > >> > >> > From: Mel Knight > >> > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM City-II Driving slow > >> > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> > Received: Friday, 8 August, 2008, 4:43 PM > >> > Hi John! I've had a bunch of these over the years. Pull > >> > the motor and clean the bearings and re-lube it. The > >> > original lube get's thick and will really slow the motor > >> > down. If you want to verify that that is the case, apply a > >> > small ammount of aerokroil or WD to the shaft by the bearing > >> > and inside the armature, soon as you hit it it will take > >> > off!! Mel > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Jukebox-list mailing list > >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jukebox-list mailing list > >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Fri Aug 8 16:02:06 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Fri Aug 8 16:03:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 In-Reply-To: <000401c8f9a3$40b21fe0$0301a8c0@ZURNT60> References: <000401c8f9a3$40b21fe0$0301a8c0@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <20080808225933.M68251@dwave.net> I have had good luck with Napa. Bring in your old one and they can match something up. You may have to play a bit with the strength of the strut as they have many different ranges. Jeremy Agema On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:08:13 -0700, Jeff Zurn wrote > Can anyone suggest a source (and product #) for the 'Lift Arms' used > on a RO 474? These are the hydraulic arms used to keep the lid up > while servicing. > > Thank you. > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "graham" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 2:28 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami CCP ? should have read CCC ! > > Hi its the main board the CCC not the CCP ! > Does anybody have a spare one ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 17:51:39 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Aug 8 17:52:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 In-Reply-To: <000401c8f9a3$40b21fe0$0301a8c0@ZURNT60> Message-ID: <647327.44899.qm@web55813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jeff, Do the same as for a Rowe, or Seeburg--buy a small "ViseGrip" and attach it to the chrome rod when needed--or pay multi bucks at an autoparts store-- Ron Rich --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Jeff Zurn wrote: From: Jeff Zurn Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 3:08 PM Can anyone suggest a source (and product #) for the 'Lift Arms' used on a RO 474? These are the hydraulic arms used to keep the lid up while servicing. Thank you. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "graham" To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 2:28 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami CCP ? should have read CCC ! Hi its the main board the CCC not the CCP ! Does anybody have a spare one ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Fri Aug 8 18:03:53 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Fri Aug 8 18:04:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 In-Reply-To: <647327.44899.qm@web55813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <647327.44899.qm@web55813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jeff, Happ has a cheap, reliable fix. It's called a Piston Support Kit (just a plastic clip) PN 30956301 for $4.80 plus shipping. They may have a $25 minimum purchase though. I can get you one if you're interested. Contact me off list. http://www.happcontrols.com Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 > Jeff, > Do the same as for a Rowe, or Seeburg--buy a small "ViseGrip" and attach > it to the chrome rod when needed--or pay multi bucks at an autoparts > store-- Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Jeff Zurn wrote: > > From: Jeff Zurn > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 3:08 PM > > Can anyone suggest a source (and product #) for the 'Lift Arms' used on > a RO > 474? > These are the hydraulic arms used to keep the lid up while servicing. > > Thank you. > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "graham" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 2:28 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami CCP ? should have read CCC ! > > > Hi its the main board the CCC not the CCP ! > Does anybody have a spare one ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 18:07:59 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Aug 8 18:09:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <482496.67641.qm@web55812.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Karl, That "fix" Happ sells broke on me--cost me much more in stiches then the "ViseGrip" I now use !!! (Rowe used to supply a thicker one with each JB)-- onn Rich --- On Fri, 8/8/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 6:03 PM Jeff, Happ has a cheap, reliable fix. It's called a Piston Support Kit (just a plastic clip) PN 30956301 for $4.80 plus shipping. They may have a $25 minimum purchase though. I can get you one if you're interested. Contact me off list. http://www.happcontrols.com Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 > Jeff, > Do the same as for a Rowe, or Seeburg--buy a small "ViseGrip" and attach > it to the chrome rod when needed--or pay multi bucks at an autoparts > store-- Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Jeff Zurn wrote: > > From: Jeff Zurn > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 3:08 PM > > Can anyone suggest a source (and product #) for the 'Lift Arms' used on > a RO > 474? > These are the hydraulic arms used to keep the lid up while servicing. > > Thank you. > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "graham" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 2:28 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami CCP ? should have read CCC ! > > > Hi its the main board the CCC not the CCP ! > Does anybody have a spare one ? > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 18:18:55 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Aug 8 18:19:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3800 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <928269.33395.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Dis-connect the BO/AC at the junction box---555 BO/AC jumper pins 2-6-7 & 8 TOGETHER AT THE SOCKET--556 BO/AC, dis-connect at junction box, jumper pins 2-6 (and I THINK,7-8?lites the "Select lamps") together at the socket. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Dan Fuchs wrote: From: Dan Fuchs Subject: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer 3800 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:03 PM Hello: Does anybody know how to set a wurlitzer 3800 to free play? thank you, dan _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Fri Aug 8 18:20:04 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Fri Aug 8 18:20:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 In-Reply-To: <482496.67641.qm@web55812.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <482496.67641.qm@web55812.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, The ones Happ sells are, as you say, inferior to the originals supplied by Rowe. A softer plastic that easily becomes rounded on the ends with use causing a less positive lock, and also causing a mechanic/operator to cuss the Rowe engineer who decided bayonets on the door aimed at your head/back seemed like a good idea. I like the black Rowe originals much better than the red colored Happ replacements, but I keep safe by cutting a quarter inch or so off the end, making them "square" again. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 > Karl, > That "fix" Happ sells broke on me--cost me much more in stiches then the > "ViseGrip" I now use !!! (Rowe used to supply a thicker one with each > JB)-- > onn Rich > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, CCOS wrote: > > From: CCOS > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 6:03 PM > > Jeff, > > Happ has a cheap, reliable fix. It's called a Piston Support Kit (just a > plastic clip) PN 30956301 for $4.80 plus shipping. They may have a $25 > minimum purchase though. I can get you one if you're interested. Contact > me > > off list. > > http://www.happcontrols.com > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706)507-2963 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 > > >> Jeff, >> Do the same as for a Rowe, or Seeburg--buy a small "ViseGrip" > and attach >> it to the chrome rod when needed--or pay multi bucks at an autoparts >> store-- Ron Rich >> >> --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Jeff Zurn wrote: >> >> From: Jeff Zurn >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >> Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 3:08 PM >> >> Can anyone suggest a source (and product #) for the 'Lift Arms' > used on >> a RO >> 474? >> These are the hydraulic arms used to keep the lid up while servicing. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Jeff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "graham" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 2:28 PM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami CCP ? should have read CCC ! >> >> >> Hi its the main board the CCC not the CCP ! >> Does anybody have a spare one ? >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From raker at knology.net Fri Aug 8 19:00:14 2008 From: raker at knology.net (Robert Aker) Date: Fri Aug 8 19:01:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 References: <647327.44899.qm@web55813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c8f9c3$aa422660$0401a8c0@desktop> I use a piece of PVC pipe - cut to proper length and slides over the piston. Its self storing and I've never had an accident. Takes a couple min to pop the piston loose and install but is worth the effort. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CCOS" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 > Jeff, > > Happ has a cheap, reliable fix. It's called a Piston Support Kit (just a > plastic clip) PN 30956301 for $4.80 plus shipping. They may have a $25 > minimum purchase though. I can get you one if you're interested. Contact > me off list. > > http://www.happcontrols.com > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706)507-2963 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 > > >> Jeff, >> Do the same as for a Rowe, or Seeburg--buy a small "ViseGrip" and attach >> it to the chrome rod when needed--or pay multi bucks at an autoparts >> store-- Ron Rich >> >> --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Jeff Zurn wrote: >> >> From: Jeff Zurn >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 3:08 PM >> >> Can anyone suggest a source (and product #) for the 'Lift Arms' used on >> a RO >> 474? >> These are the hydraulic arms used to keep the lid up while servicing. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Jeff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "graham" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 2:28 PM >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami CCP ? should have read CCC ! >> >> >> Hi its the main board the CCC not the CCP ! >> Does anybody have a spare one ? >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From perkinsprima at yahoo.co.uk Sat Aug 9 03:46:00 2008 From: perkinsprima at yahoo.co.uk (glyn morgan) Date: Sat Aug 9 03:47:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SHP Amp bias problems In-Reply-To: <00ce01c8ee9d$feebedd0$4101a8c0@JUKEBUS> Message-ID: <691018.61316.qm@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hi Adrian this is probably too late to be of any use. Had similar probs on shp1. American forum member suggested running amp first without power transistors in to pinpoint fault.He also mentioned jumper leads fitted to later driver board as multi plug on board can be troublesome. He also mentioned bias pots giving trouble as they get older, suggested bridging them to try but said amp may distort at lower levels. Well pots still bridged & amp seems happy. Hope this may be of help Glyn --- On Fri, 25/7/08, Juke of Shrewsbury wrote: > From: Juke of Shrewsbury > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg SHP Amp bias problems > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, 25 July, 2008, 10:32 PM > I have just replaced the output transistors, the driver > transistors and a couple of 100 ohm resistors for the third > time! Before I power this thing up again I'm also going > to replace the bias adjustment pots... Can anyone suggest > any other causes for this repeated failure? Here is what has > happened so far: > > Amp came to me dead, main fuse was missing. I replaced all > output and driver transistors (some were shorted, some > appeared to be OK) I also replaced the 100 ohm emitter > resistors and did the wire link mod for the bias > connections. The amp was then powered up, with a 60w bulb in > the supply line. It looked OK so I removed the bulb and set > the bias. I left the amp running on the bench to check for > bias drift. The bias did appear to be drifting high, I had > adjust it down a couple of times over a period of about 20 > minutes. Once it appeared to have stabilized I put the amp > in the machine and played a record. It was OK, but sounded a > bit distorted. I left the amp in standby for a while and > tried another record - this time the distortion was worse so > I removed it and set it up on the bench again to > investigate. While I was getting ready to measure some > voltages, one of the 100 ohm emitter resistors started > emitting smoke! I switched it off and found the output and > driver transistors on that channel had been destroyed again. > This time I did a bit more investigation on the bias > circuit - it is the older transistor type, additionally the > transistors had been replaced at some point with a type > having a different pin out. The installation of these > replacements with crossed leads was not very good one of the > joints may have been dry. I assumed this was the problem > and replaced these transistors with a good pair from a spare > SHP chassis I have. > > Again I powered the amp up via the bulb and it appeared OK. > I set the bias again and it appeared to be more stable this > time. After a few minutes of stability I decided it was > time for an input signal. As I was plugging the RCA jack > in.... yes more 100 ohm smoke!! > > My theory is that there must be a mechanical bad contact in > one of the bias posts, the fault has always occurred at a > point of mechanical disturbance. I didn't have any > suitable value replacement pots so I have not tried it again > yet. As I'm running out of patience, not to mention > 2N3055's and 100 ohm resistors, does anyone have any > thoughts on this? > > Thanks, > > Adrian. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 9 05:35:13 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sat Aug 9 05:36:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg BMPA11-56 Background Preamp Message-ID: <377458.92245.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Does anyone know which Seeburg Background Music Machine this was used with? http://members.cox.net/juke461/MVC-393S.JPG David From Erwinhermitage at aol.com Mon Aug 4 14:15:32 2008 From: Erwinhermitage at aol.com (Erwinhermitage@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 9 09:31:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Background Music Message-ID: I"m looking for a power cord for a seeburg 1000 background music system. do you know of anyone who would have one ? **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 10:31:34 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Sat Aug 9 10:32:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Parting out a Seeburg SS-160 Message-ID: Parting out a Seeburg SS-160 that I got in trade towards a CD jukebox. Thought I'd offer here before I go to Ebay. All glass is bad, and I suspect the control unit needs work, but I believe the amp, stepper, dual pricing unit, and other mech parts are good. After the parts are all removed, the cabinet which has good sides is up for grabs for free if you can pick up in Texas. Otherwise it goes to the dump very soon. Contact me off-list if you need anything... Thanks, Thomas -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com From joe400f at shaw.ca Sat Aug 9 11:17:40 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Sat Aug 9 11:19:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Model C--need repair work References: Message-ID: <002801c8fa4c$35c12cd0$f4884f18@compaq> Do you have a manual? What are you calling the " reset switch "? Are you refering to the selection cancel button on the back side of the cabinet. Its a little pin type button that sticks out of the right side rear. Repeated play of the same selection usually means having the pin bank assembly rebuilt. There are many people on this list that offer that service. Also, make sure the mechanism switch and scan switch is in the correct position. Again, refer to the manual. There is also members of this list that sell manuals. With the manual in hand, we are better able to help you. Check the archives. There are many topics on this model. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will McNamara" To: Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:54 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Model C--need repair work Hi, I just purchased a Seeburg Model C. There are a number of problems I am having and I am looking for someone who can do repairs in the Albuquerque, New Mexico area. The problems are as follows: reset button does not work Select-o-Matic does not move so I cannot make any selections at this time Records keep repeating (when the Select o Matic was moving) Is there someone in my area who could help? Thanks, Will 505/340-1852 _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From johntrav at suddenlink.net Sat Aug 9 11:21:48 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Sat Aug 9 11:22:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 References: <482496.67641.qm@web55812.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004d01c8fa4c$ca11c5c0$0301a8c0@JOHNTRAV> Karl is correct. The red ones are inferior and dangerous. I had one split without warning on a Rowe R-85 heavy door. Fontunately I wasn't under the door when it went. I use a product called "Lift Lock" available at Advance and most other auto parts stores. It installs permanently onto the piston shaft and locks itself onto the cylinder top when the door is opened. It's the safest and most reliable stop I've found. Mfr is Pylon, catalog # is 8200, and it sells for 10 bucks or less. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CCOS" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 > Ron, > The ones Happ sells are, as you say, inferior to the originals supplied by > Rowe. A softer plastic that easily becomes rounded on the ends with use > causing a less positive lock, and also causing a mechanic/operator to cuss > the Rowe engineer who decided bayonets on the door aimed at your head/back > seemed like a good idea. > > I like the black Rowe originals much better than the red colored Happ > replacements, but I keep safe by cutting a quarter inch or so off the end, > making them "square" again. > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706)507-2963 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 > > >> Karl, >> That "fix" Happ sells broke on me--cost me much more in stiches then the >> "ViseGrip" I now use !!! (Rowe used to supply a thicker one with each >> JB)-- >> onn Rich >> >> --- On Fri, 8/8/08, CCOS wrote: >> >> From: CCOS >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 6:03 PM >> >> Jeff, >> >> Happ has a cheap, reliable fix. It's called a Piston Support Kit (just a >> plastic clip) PN 30956301 for $4.80 plus shipping. They may have a $25 >> minimum purchase though. I can get you one if you're interested. Contact >> me >> >> off list. >> >> http://www.happcontrols.com >> >> Karl >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >> 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. >> Columbus, GA 31903 >> (706)507-2963 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ron Rich" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 >> >> >>> Jeff, >>> Do the same as for a Rowe, or Seeburg--buy a small "ViseGrip" >> and attach >>> it to the chrome rod when needed--or pay multi bucks at an autoparts >>> store-- Ron Rich >>> >>> --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Jeff Zurn wrote: >>> >>> From: Jeff Zurn >>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> >>> Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 3:08 PM >>> >>> Can anyone suggest a source (and product #) for the 'Lift Arms' >> used on >>> a RO >>> 474? >>> These are the hydraulic arms used to keep the lid up while servicing. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "graham" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 2:28 PM >>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami CCP ? should have read CCC ! >>> >>> >>> Hi its the main board the CCC not the CCP ! >>> Does anybody have a spare one ? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 9 11:26:41 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 9 11:27:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Model C--need repair work In-Reply-To: <002801c8fa4c$35c12cd0$f4884f18@compaq> Message-ID: <967427.75640.qm@web55815.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Joey, Remember the old song "the one on the Left--"? Which way are you looking at it--from the front, the reject button is on the cabinet left, about 3 /4 of the way to the top, on a "B". BTW--Who sang that song-- Jhonny ?Cash?? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Joey McDonald wrote: From: Joey McDonald Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Model C--need repair work To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 11:17 AM Do you have a manual? What are you calling the " reset switch "? Are you refering to the selection cancel button on the back side of the cabinet. Its a little pin type button that sticks out of the right side rear. Repeated play of the same selection usually means having the pin bank assembly rebuilt. There are many people on this list that offer that service. Also, make sure the mechanism switch and scan switch is in the correct position. Again, refer to the manual. There is also members of this list that sell manuals. With the manual in hand, we are better able to help you. Check the archives. There are many topics on this model. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will McNamara" To: Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:54 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Model C--need repair work Hi, I just purchased a Seeburg Model C. There are a number of problems I am having and I am looking for someone who can do repairs in the Albuquerque, New Mexico area. The problems are as follows: reset button does not work Select-o-Matic does not move so I cannot make any selections at this time Records keep repeating (when the Select o Matic was moving) Is there someone in my area who could help? Thanks, Will 505/340-1852 _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 9 11:28:41 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 9 11:29:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 In-Reply-To: <004d01c8fa4c$ca11c5c0$0301a8c0@JOHNTRAV> Message-ID: <680520.40435.qm@web55814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> John, Thanks for the info--I'll check it out ! Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/9/08, John Travelletti wrote: From: John Travelletti Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 11:21 AM Karl is correct. The red ones are inferior and dangerous. I had one split without warning on a Rowe R-85 heavy door. Fontunately I wasn't under the door when it went. I use a product called "Lift Lock" available at Advance and most other auto parts stores. It installs permanently onto the piston shaft and locks itself onto the cylinder top when the door is opened. It's the safest and most reliable stop I've found. Mfr is Pylon, catalog # is 8200, and it sells for 10 bucks or less. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CCOS" To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 > Ron, > The ones Happ sells are, as you say, inferior to the originals supplied by > Rowe. A softer plastic that easily becomes rounded on the ends with use > causing a less positive lock, and also causing a mechanic/operator to cuss > the Rowe engineer who decided bayonets on the door aimed at your head/back > seemed like a good idea. > > I like the black Rowe originals much better than the red colored Happ > replacements, but I keep safe by cutting a quarter inch or so off the end, > making them "square" again. > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706)507-2963 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 > > >> Karl, >> That "fix" Happ sells broke on me--cost me much more in stiches then the >> "ViseGrip" I now use !!! (Rowe used to supply a thicker one with each >> JB)-- >> onn Rich >> >> --- On Fri, 8/8/08, CCOS wrote: >> >> From: CCOS >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 6:03 PM >> >> Jeff, >> >> Happ has a cheap, reliable fix. It's called a Piston Support Kit (just a >> plastic clip) PN 30956301 for $4.80 plus shipping. They may have a $25 >> minimum purchase though. I can get you one if you're interested. Contact >> me >> >> off list. >> >> http://www.happcontrols.com >> >> Karl >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >> 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. >> Columbus, GA 31903 >> (706)507-2963 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ron Rich" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 >> >> >>> Jeff, >>> Do the same as for a Rowe, or Seeburg--buy a small "ViseGrip" >> and attach >>> it to the chrome rod when needed--or pay multi bucks at an autoparts >>> store-- Ron Rich >>> >>> --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Jeff Zurn wrote: >>> >>> From: Jeff Zurn >>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >> >>> Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 3:08 PM >>> >>> Can anyone suggest a source (and product #) for the 'Lift Arms' >> used on >>> a RO >>> 474? >>> These are the hydraulic arms used to keep the lid up while servicing. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "graham" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 2:28 PM >>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami CCP ? should have read CCC ! >>> >>> >>> Hi its the main board the CCC not the CCP ! >>> Does anybody have a spare one ? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Sat Aug 9 11:59:21 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Sat Aug 9 12:00:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 In-Reply-To: <680520.40435.qm@web55814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <680520.40435.qm@web55814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: John, Ditto on Ron's thanks for the info. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 > John, > Thanks for the info--I'll check it out ! Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 8/9/08, John Travelletti wrote: > > From: John Travelletti > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 11:21 AM > > Karl is correct. The red ones are inferior and dangerous. I had one split > without warning on a Rowe R-85 heavy door. Fontunately I wasn't under the > door when it went. > > I use a product called "Lift Lock" available at Advance and most > other auto > parts stores. It installs permanently onto the piston shaft and locks > itself > onto the cylinder top when the door is opened. It's the safest and most > reliable stop I've found. Mfr is Pylon, catalog # is 8200, and it sells > for > > 10 bucks or less. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CCOS" > To: ; "Jukebox mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 > > >> Ron, >> The ones Happ sells are, as you say, inferior to the originals supplied >> by > >> Rowe. A softer plastic that easily becomes rounded on the ends with use >> causing a less positive lock, and also causing a mechanic/operator to >> cuss > >> the Rowe engineer who decided bayonets on the door aimed at your >> head/back > >> seemed like a good idea. >> >> I like the black Rowe originals much better than the red colored Happ >> replacements, but I keep safe by cutting a quarter inch or so off the >> end, > >> making them "square" again. >> >> Karl >> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >> 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. >> Columbus, GA 31903 >> (706)507-2963 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ron Rich" >> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 >> >> >>> Karl, >>> That "fix" Happ sells broke on me--cost me much more in > stiches then the >>> "ViseGrip" I now use !!! (Rowe used to supply a thicker one > with each >>> JB)-- >>> onn Rich >>> >>> --- On Fri, 8/8/08, CCOS wrote: >>> >>> From: CCOS >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >>> Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 6:03 PM >>> >>> Jeff, >>> >>> Happ has a cheap, reliable fix. It's called a Piston Support Kit > (just a >>> plastic clip) PN 30956301 for $4.80 plus shipping. They may have a > $25 >>> minimum purchase though. I can get you one if you're interested. > Contact >>> me >>> >>> off list. >>> >>> http://www.happcontrols.com >>> >>> Karl >>> Columbus Coin-Op Shop >>> 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. >>> Columbus, GA 31903 >>> (706)507-2963 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ron Rich" >>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:51 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 >>> >>> >>>> Jeff, >>>> Do the same as for a Rowe, or Seeburg--buy a small > "ViseGrip" >>> and attach >>>> it to the chrome rod when needed--or pay multi bucks at an > autoparts >>>> store-- Ron Rich >>>> >>>> --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Jeff Zurn wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Jeff Zurn >>>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Lift Arm replacements for RockOla 474 >>>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" >>> >>>> Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 3:08 PM >>>> >>>> Can anyone suggest a source (and product #) for the 'Lift > Arms' >>> used on >>>> a RO >>>> 474? >>>> These are the hydraulic arms used to keep the lid up while > servicing. >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "graham" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 2:28 PM >>>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe Ami CCP ? should have read CCC ! >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi its the main board the CCC not the CCP ! >>>> Does anybody have a spare one ? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jukebox-list mailing list >>> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Aug 9 13:47:52 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 9 13:55:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Silver polish...? Message-ID: <8CAC87853E4837B-115C-12F4@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> Can this be used on juke chrome? I have tons of it and want to put it to good use... From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Aug 9 17:15:09 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 9 17:22:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: Message-ID: <8CAC89548EF51B8-115C-1937@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> 1.) The Rockola RHAPSODY from 1963. 2.) The Seeburg Q from 1960. 3.) THe Seeburg SS-160 from 1966. ...now you know. From raker at knology.net Sat Aug 9 17:34:00 2008 From: raker at knology.net (Robert Aker) Date: Sat Aug 9 17:35:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: References: <8CAC89548EF51B8-115C-1937@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000701c8fa80$c85d3a50$0401a8c0@desktop> Excuse me but didn't we overlook the AMI Continental I and II??? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: > 1.) The Rockola RHAPSODY from 1963. > 2.) The Seeburg Q from 1960. > 3.) THe Seeburg SS-160 from 1966. > > ...now you know. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Aug 9 18:24:39 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 9 18:31:47 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: <000701c8fa80$c85d3a50$0401a8c0@desktop> References: <8CAC89548EF51B8-115C-1937@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> <000701c8fa80$c85d3a50$0401a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <8CAC89EFE195297-115C-1B70@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> Pretty robot-y looking, don't you think? Like maybe you could clean your bowling balls in them or something...? -----Original Message----- From: Robert Aker To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 7:34 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: Excuse me but didn't we overlook the AMI Continental I and II???? ? :)? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: ? To: ? Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 8:15 PM? Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s:? ? > 1.) The Rockola RHAPSODY from 1963.? > 2.) The Seeburg Q from 1960.? > 3.) THe Seeburg SS-160 from 1966.? > > ...now you know.? > _______________________________________________? > Jukebox-list mailing list? > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? >? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 9 18:40:27 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 9 18:41:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Silver polish...? In-Reply-To: <8CAC87853E4837B-115C-12F4@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <416644.3405.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Find some silver-- --- On Sat, 8/9/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: From: jhayes2613@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Silver polish...? To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 1:47 PM Can this be used on juke chrome? I have tons of it and want to put it to good use... _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 9 18:57:19 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 9 18:58:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: <8CAC89548EF51B8-115C-1937@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <64035.67417.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In your opinion--ONLY ? I absolutly hate the Q-160 (Q-100 is OK) I also dis-like the SS-160 ----And what the heck is a "Rhapsody", a 408, or a 418S? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/9/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: From: jhayes2613@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 5:15 PM 1.) The Rockola RHAPSODY from 1963. 2.) The Seeburg Q from 1960. 3.) THe Seeburg SS-160 from 1966. ...now you know. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 9 18:57:59 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 9 18:59:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: <000701c8fa80$c85d3a50$0401a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <254360.17320.qm@web55811.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mucho More Better -- IMHO Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Robert Aker wrote: From: Robert Aker Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 5:34 PM Excuse me but didn't we overlook the AMI Continental I and II??? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: > 1.) The Rockola RHAPSODY from 1963. > 2.) The Seeburg Q from 1960. > 3.) THe Seeburg SS-160 from 1966. > > ...now you know. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Aug 9 19:08:19 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 9 19:15:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: <64035.67417.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CAC8A517E540E5-115C-1D05@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> I was referring to the 408. ...You hate the Q-160, but the 100 is okay? I don't get it. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 8:57 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: In your opinion--ONLY ? I absolutly hate the Q-160 (Q-100 is OK) I also dis-like the SS-160 ----And what the heck is a "Rhapsody", a 408, or a 418S? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/9/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: From: jhayes2613@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 5:15 PM 1.) The Rockola RHAPSODY from 1963. 2.) The Seeburg Q from 1960. 3.) THe Seeburg SS-160 from 1966. ...now you know. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 19:18:00 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Sat Aug 9 19:19:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: <64035.67417.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <8CAC89548EF51B8-115C-1937@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> <64035.67417.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: As I am parting out the SS-160 in my shop, I have to agree with you here Ron. It is an UGLY jukebox. That is why I chose not to fix it. LOL.... Thomas On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > In your opinion--ONLY > > I absolutly hate the Q-160 (Q-100 is OK) > I also dis-like the SS-160 > ----And what the heck is a "Rhapsody", a 408, or a 418S? > Ron Rich > > > --- On Sat, 8/9/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > > From: jhayes2613@aol.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 5:15 PM > > 1.) The Rockola RHAPSODY from 1963. > 2.) The Seeburg Q from 1960. > 3.) THe Seeburg SS-160 from 1966. > > ...now you know. > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com From Jjmscf at aol.com Sat Aug 9 19:34:09 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 9 19:41:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: Message-ID: The way they designed the titleboard for the extra selections just looks fugly...lol.Btw the SS 160 may be ugly but I saw a Phonojet in person when I bought my Wurlitzer 24A and I thought it was even uglier.I told the guy I had no interest whatsoever in the Phonojet and wished him luck in selling it...lol.I think the PFEA1U/APFEA1 is a better looking 60s Seeburg than the SS 160. J.C. In a message dated 8/9/2008 10:15:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhayes2613@aol.com writes: >I was referring to the 408. >...You hate the Q-160, but the 100 is okay? I don't get it. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From pat2355 at aol.com Sat Aug 9 19:39:34 2008 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 9 19:46:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes Message-ID: <8CAC8A97567995C-8FC-514B@webmail-ne09.sysops.aol.com> Which songs are MANDATORY on a jukebox being played for a wedding party. I have my own ideas (Stuckey-This is Love), including some warped ones (Garth- Friends in Low Places)(Top Gun-Danger Zone)(Alice in Chains-Man in a Box) but I'm always fishing for more 45 rpm records to buy. Thanks Pat From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Aug 9 20:24:47 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Aug 9 20:25:47 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes In-Reply-To: <8CAC8A97567995C-8FC-514B@webmail-ne09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <531587.35769.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 8/9/08, pat2355@aol.com wrote: > Which songs are MANDATORY on a jukebox being played for a > wedding party. I've supplied jukeboxes for two weddings, a friend's and my own, The only mandatory song is the "first dance" the couple wants to dance to, and any other favorites they have. Also, have a mix of songs that will provide some favorites for all generations. I've never heard of anything else being considered a canonical "wedding reception song." Remember, after sitting through (or worse - taking part in :-) ) the ceremony, the pressure is off and people just want to have a good time. From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sat Aug 9 20:24:17 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 9 20:31:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAC8AFB46D631B-115C-1F50@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> My SS-160 rotating menu display works, and when you see this along with my new repro glass, I think it's quite stunning. -----Original Message----- From: Jjmscf@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 9:34 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: The way they designed the titleboard for the extra selections just looks fugly...lol.Btw the SS 160 may be ugly but I saw a Phonojet in person when I bought my Wurlitzer 24A and I thought it was even uglier.I told the guy I had no interest whatsoever in the Phonojet and wished him luck in selling it...lol.I think the PFEA1U/APFEA1 is a better looking 60s Seeburg than the SS 160. J.C. In a message dated 8/9/2008 10:15:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhayes2613@aol.com writes: >I was referring to the 408. >...You hate the Q-160, but the 100 is okay? I don't get it. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Aug 9 20:36:34 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Aug 9 20:37:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: <8CAC89548EF51B8-115C-1937@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <637701.42424.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 8/9/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > 1.) The Rockola RHAPSODY from 1963. > 2.) The Seeburg Q from 1960. > 3.) THe Seeburg SS-160 from 1966. > > ...now you know. Interesting because the 1960s are generally considered the start of the decline of the jukebox in American culture. The advent of FM radio, 8 track players, and "concept albums" and altenrative forms of intoxication meant that people lass and less needed or wanted to go to a crowded public place to pay to hear singles. Also, the early 60s was the time when the space age was dawning and a machine that could autonomously play records wasn't nearly as compelling a thing to watch as was Alan Shepherd riding a Redstone rocket into space. Jukeboxes began to evolve into the "consoles" so loathed in the 70s. (Is there anything about the 70s that wasn't loathed? :-) ) Although all the machines you mention are very good for their genre, there's something I find melancholy about this period of jukebox design. The phonograph was no longer the center of attention. It was becoming pay-per-play Muzak. From jay at west.net Sat Aug 9 20:39:05 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Aug 9 20:38:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: <8CAC89548EF51B8-115C-1937@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAC89548EF51B8-115C-1937@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <489E62D9.9000406@west.net> jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > 1.) The Rockola RHAPSODY from 1963. > 2.) The Seeburg Q from 1960. > 3.) THe Seeburg SS-160 from 1966. I would definitely rate the AMI Continental II as one of the top three, definitely above the SS160. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Aug 9 20:38:31 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Aug 9 20:39:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: <8CAC89EFE195297-115C-1B70@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <798173.72066.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 8/9/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: [AMI Continentals were...] > ...Pretty robot-y looking, don't you think? Like maybe you > could clean your bowling balls in them or something...? Yeah, maybe so, but they were the last jukeboxes that embraced the future and predicted that it would be a fun and interesting place. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat Aug 9 20:41:12 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat Aug 9 20:42:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <420633.70786.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: > The way they designed the titleboard for the extra > selections just looks fugly...lol. > I told the guy I had no interest whatsoever in the > Phonojet and wished him luck in selling it...lol It's unbecoming to laugh too loud at your own jokes. From bobe at halted.com Sat Aug 9 21:23:59 2008 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob E.) Date: Sat Aug 9 21:43:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes In-Reply-To: <8CAC8A97567995C-8FC-514B@webmail-ne09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAC8A97567995C-8FC-514B@webmail-ne09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <489E6D5F.6010207@halted.com> pat2355@aol.com wrote: > Which songs are MANDATORY on a jukebox being played for a wedding party. I have my own ideas (Stuckey-This is Love), including some warped ones (Garth- Friends in Low Places)(Top Gun-Danger Zone)(Alice in Chains-Man in a Box) but I'm always fishing for more 45 rpm records to buy. Thanks Pat > To add to your list of warped wedding music, off the top of my head: "You talk too much" by Joe Jones "(I Break Out In A) Cold Sweat" by James Brown "We Gotta Get Out Of This Place" by the Animals "Did I Shave My Legs for This?" Deana Carter --Bob From jay at west.net Sat Aug 9 22:05:28 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Aug 9 22:05:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes In-Reply-To: <489E6D5F.6010207@halted.com> References: <8CAC8A97567995C-8FC-514B@webmail-ne09.sysops.aol.com> <489E6D5F.6010207@halted.com> Message-ID: <489E7718.6040304@west.net> "Going to the Chapel" Dixie Cups (and numerous covers) If the bride has a sense of humor (and is drop-dead gorgeous): "If You Wanna Be Happy" Jimmy Soul Only at the risk of damage to your jukebox: "Mother-in-Law" Ernie K-Doe "My Wife Can't Cook" Lonnie Russ -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From drjukebox at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 00:31:59 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Sun Aug 10 00:33:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: <254360.17320.qm@web55811.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <000701c8fa80$c85d3a50$0401a8c0@desktop> <254360.17320.qm@web55811.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690808100031q1f054f6dkbf86a58b47f18f3d@mail.gmail.com> Best 60's my vote by styling only disregarding the Wurlie 2500, DS-AY, Regis-Princess as 50's spillover AMI: Continental (ultimate space age) Seeburg: PFEAU1 (a.k.a. Discoteque or Electra). Wurlitzer: 2900 or 3000 (chrome-heavy, somewhat visible mech) Rockola: 436 or 437 (animation and visible mech) Consoles are usually a hard sell the smaller 60's machines are generally popular with people looking for an affordable jukebox and not having the space On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Ron Rich wrote: > Mucho More Better -- IMHO > Ron Rich > > --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Robert Aker wrote: > > From: Robert Aker > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 5:34 PM > > Excuse me but didn't we overlook the AMI Continental I and II??? > > :) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 8:15 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: > > > > 1.) The Rockola RHAPSODY from 1963. > > 2.) The Seeburg Q from 1960. > > 3.) THe Seeburg SS-160 from 1966. > > > > ...now you know. > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Aug 10 06:41:55 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 10 06:49:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: Message-ID: Yeah .But what do you do with a SS160 with bad glass now that Ken Arnold no longer makes it? It's quite ugly with bad glass. I have one in the garage that sounds great but looks like crap. The front repro glass is not available anymore.When did you buy yours? J.C. In a message dated 8/9/2008 11:31:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhayes2613@aol.com writes: My SS-160 rotating menu display works, and when you see this along with my new repro glass, I think it's quite stunning. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Aug 10 07:01:36 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 10 07:08:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: Message-ID: The 2500 as 50s spillover? My 2510 doesn't look like any of the 50s Wurlitzers.It does have a wraparound windsheild like dome glass.I'll give you that but it's a lower down look where it's just starting to evolve into the console style.The record playing part of the mech is visible.I think it's a rather unique looking jukebox and I like it because of that. I like the PFEA1U/APFEA1 and I like the Rockola 436 and 437.Our own Jackie has the 437 and I think it's a very handsome 60s juke. J.C. In a message dated 8/10/2008 3:33:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drjukebox@gmail.com writes: >Best 60's >my vote >by styling only >disregarding the Wurlie 2500, DS-AY, Regis-Princess as 50's spillover >AMI: Continental (ultimate space age) >Seeburg: PFEAU1 (a.k.a. Discoteque or Electra). >Wurlitzer: 2900 or 3000 (chrome-heavy, somewhat visible mech) >Rockola: 436 or 437 (animation and visible mech) **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Aug 10 07:35:06 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 10 07:41:13 2008 Subject: [jukebox-list] THE THREE Greatest JUKEBOXEs OF THE 1960s: Message-ID: I have to agree with Ron on the Q160.What an ugly jukebox.The Q100 is ok I guess.The SS 160 is not a bad looking juke.Not my favorite though. I think the Continental 1 and 2 are great 60s jukes. I like my Wurlitzer 2510 much better than any of the 3 you mentioned but some may hate it too since the 2300 and 2400 series have more and prettier color. And don't forget Rockola made the Tempo,Regis and Empress jukes in the early 60s,all much more handsome jukes than the Rapsody. Though they can be a little on the high dollar side due to their popularity with the Europeans. J.C. In a message dated 8/9/2008 9:58:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: >In your opinion--ONLY >I absolutly hate the Q-160 (Q-100 is OK) >I also dis-like the SS-160 >----And what the heck is a "Rhapsody", a 408, or a 418S? >Ron Rich **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 08:09:07 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 10 08:10:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <391669.4455.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> JC, My turn to agree with you. I too like the PFEA model cabinets best, of that era, and I like the APFEA1 best, in terms of operation. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 7:34 PM The way they designed the titleboard for the extra selections just looks fugly...lol.Btw the SS 160 may be ugly but I saw a Phonojet in person when I bought my Wurlitzer 24A and I thought it was even uglier.I told the guy I had no interest whatsoever in the Phonojet and wished him luck in selling it...lol.I think the PFEA1U/APFEA1 is a better looking 60s Seeburg than the SS 160. J.C. In a message dated 8/9/2008 10:15:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhayes2613@aol.com writes: >I was referring to the 408. >...You hate the Q-160, but the 100 is okay? I don't get it. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From magic-4u at pacbell.net Sun Aug 10 08:15:00 2008 From: magic-4u at pacbell.net (Bradley Grant) Date: Sun Aug 10 08:12:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukebox repair- San Jose, CA Message-ID: I was in a restaurant yesterday in Los Gatos, they have an 80s AMI 1015 repro on 45 and the owner is looking for someone to "fix" a problem. If anyone can hlp, shoot me back an email at nospammagic-4u (at)pacbelldotnet. Thanks, Brad From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 08:11:44 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 10 08:12:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: <8CAC8AFB46D631B-115C-1F50@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <679777.85431.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Sorry, to me it appears that they stuck the "showcase" on as an afterthought--working or not, I don't care for it--Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/9/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: From: jhayes2613@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 8:24 PM My SS-160 rotating menu display works, and when you see this along with my new repro glass, I think it's quite stunning. -----Original Message----- From: Jjmscf@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 9:34 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: The way they designed the titleboard for the extra selections just looks fugly...lol.Btw the SS 160 may be ugly but I saw a Phonojet in person when I bought my Wurlitzer 24A and I thought it was even uglier.I told the guy I had no interest whatsoever in the Phonojet and wished him luck in selling it...lol.I think the PFEA1U/APFEA1 is a better looking 60s Seeburg than the SS 160. J.C. In a message dated 8/9/2008 10:15:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhayes2613@aol.com writes: >I was referring to the 408. >...You hate the Q-160, but the 100 is okay? I don't get it. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 08:20:02 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 10 08:21:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes In-Reply-To: <489E6D5F.6010207@halted.com> Message-ID: <852143.71981.qm@web55812.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bob, That's a definite maybe list---hope they have a great sense of humor ! Mine's twisted enough that I LOVE it ! Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Bob E. wrote: From: Bob E. Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 9:23 PM pat2355@aol.com wrote: > Which songs are MANDATORY on a jukebox being played for a wedding party. I have my own ideas (Stuckey-This is Love), including some warped ones (Garth- Friends in Low Places)(Top Gun-Danger Zone)(Alice in Chains-Man in a Box) but I'm always fishing for more 45 rpm records to buy. Thanks Pat > To add to your list of warped wedding music, off the top of my head: "You talk too much" by Joe Jones "(I Break Out In A) Cold Sweat" by James Brown "We Gotta Get Out Of This Place" by the Animals "Did I Shave My Legs for This?" Deana Carter --Bob _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 08:25:01 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 10 08:26:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes In-Reply-To: <489E7718.6040304@west.net> Message-ID: <79998.75576.qm@web55809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jay, Don't know the last one, but the others are great ! Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 10:05 PM "Going to the Chapel" Dixie Cups (and numerous covers) If the bride has a sense of humor (and is drop-dead gorgeous): "If You Wanna Be Happy" Jimmy Soul Only at the risk of damage to your jukebox: "Mother-in-Law" Ernie K-Doe "My Wife Can't Cook" Lonnie Russ -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sun Aug 10 08:24:47 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 10 08:32:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAC9145BC7D92A-115C-2DC1@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> It was about two years ago. Maybe longer. There were two left in stock, then there was one. I maybe shoulda bought 'em both. -----Original Message----- From: Jjmscf@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Sent: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 8:41 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: Yeah .But what do you do with a SS160 with bad glass now that Ken Arnold no longer makes it? It's quite ugly with bad glass. I have one in the garage that sounds great but looks like crap. The front repro glass is not available anymore.When did you buy yours? J.C. In a message dated 8/9/2008 11:31:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhayes2613@aol.com writes: My SS-160 rotating menu display works, and when you see this along with my new repro glass, I think it's quite stunning. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sun Aug 10 08:36:06 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 10 08:43:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: <8CAC9145BC7D92A-115C-2DC1@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAC9145BC7D92A-115C-2DC1@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CAC915F0795395-1544-4A@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> ...I bought a pair of repro side panels while I was at it, although I didn't really need them. I will say that the design/construction of that front aluminum holding frame is absolute CRAP. -----Original Message----- From: jhayes2613@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:24 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: It was about two years ago. Maybe longer. There were two left in stock, then there was one. I maybe shoulda bought 'em both. -----Original Message----- From: Jjmscf@aol.com To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Sent: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 8:41 am Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] THE THREE GREATEST JUKEBOXES OF THE 1960s: Yeah .But what do you do with a SS160 with bad glass now that Ken Arnold no longer makes it? It's quite ugly with bad glass. I have one in the garage that sounds great but looks like crap. The front repro glass is not available anymore.When did you buy yours? J.C. In a message dated 8/9/2008 11:31:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhayes2613@aol.com writes: My SS-160 rotating menu display works, and when you see this along with my new repro glass, I think it's quite stunning. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 08:52:13 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Sun Aug 10 08:53:21 2008 Subject: [jukebox-list] THE THREE Greatest JUKEBOXEs OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have both a 2310 and a 2510, and they are both better looking than the original 3 jukes mentioned- they are both attractive jukes- even though I'm really into Wurlys. I'd love to have a Continental, but they are out of my price range at this time. :( Thomas On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 9:35 AM, wrote: > > I have to agree with Ron on the Q160.What an ugly jukebox.The Q100 is ok I > guess.The SS 160 is not a bad looking juke.Not my favorite though. I think > the > Continental 1 and 2 are great 60s jukes. I like my Wurlitzer 2510 much > better > than any of the 3 you mentioned but some may hate it too since the 2300 > and > 2400 series have more and prettier color. And don't forget Rockola made > the > Tempo,Regis and Empress jukes in the early 60s,all much more handsome jukes > than the Rapsody. Though they can be a little on the high dollar side due > to > their popularity with the Europeans. > > J.C. > > > In a message dated 8/9/2008 9:58:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: > > >In your opinion--ONLY > > >I absolutly hate the Q-160 (Q-100 is OK) > >I also dis-like the SS-160 > >----And what the heck is a "Rhapsody", a 408, or a 418S? > >Ron Rich > > > > > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > ( > http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com From berrycbell at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 09:51:39 2008 From: berrycbell at gmail.com (Berry Bell) Date: Sun Aug 10 09:52:46 2008 Subject: [jukebox-list] THE THREE Greatest JUKEBOXEs OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gonna have to come to the defense of the Seeburg Q. If you don't like the high back on the 160 model I can understand that. The illusion of the suspended grill, heavy use of chrome, nice color scheme and the excellent sound reproduction of the Q (stereo version) make it a very solid jukebox. I personally don't think any of those mid 60's Rockola's hold a candle to the Q. Berry Bell On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Thomas Teeter wrote: > I have both a 2310 and a 2510, and they are both better looking than the > original 3 jukes mentioned- they are both attractive jukes- even though I'm > really into Wurlys. I'd love to have a Continental, but they are out of my > price range at this time. :( > > Thomas > > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 9:35 AM, wrote: > > > > > I have to agree with Ron on the Q160.What an ugly jukebox.The Q100 is ok > I > > guess.The SS 160 is not a bad looking juke.Not my favorite though. I > think > > the > > Continental 1 and 2 are great 60s jukes. I like my Wurlitzer 2510 much > > better > > than any of the 3 you mentioned but some may hate it too since the 2300 > > and > > 2400 series have more and prettier color. And don't forget Rockola made > > the > > Tempo,Regis and Empress jukes in the early 60s,all much more handsome > jukes > > than the Rapsody. Though they can be a little on the high dollar side > due > > to > > their popularity with the Europeans. > > > > J.C. > > > > > > In a message dated 8/9/2008 9:58:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: > > > > >In your opinion--ONLY > > > > >I absolutly hate the Q-160 (Q-100 is OK) > > >I also dis-like the SS-160 > > >----And what the heck is a "Rhapsody", a 408, or a 418S? > > >Ron Rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > ( > > > http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From tim at catawbamail.com Sun Aug 10 11:27:04 2008 From: tim at catawbamail.com (Tim Larson) Date: Sun Aug 10 11:28:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Problems Message-ID: I need some assistance with a Wurlitzer 3300 I acquired this month. I am a novice with electronics. But most parts are in working order. My problem seems to be Selector solenoids that engage the rockers to make the selection - they seem to be stuck in. when a selection is made the rockers move to position (Ie A1) and make a buzz noise but don't seem to work. Tim Larson From drjukebox at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 12:35:48 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Sun Aug 10 12:36:56 2008 Subject: [jukebox-list] THE THREE Greatest JUKEBOXEs OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3154d3690808101235g6f373f17jaf3b7b2a77a48df0@mail.gmail.com> If you say "60's", I presume you're talking about 60's styling. 2310 is definitely a 1959 model. Both 2400 and 2500 series retain some 50's elements. The 2600 (1962) is the first wholly angular Wurlitzer with all glass flat. Then they went back to some roundness with the 2900-3000. 1962 is generally the year when 60's styling started dominating. Seeburg brought out the LP Console LPC-1, another innovative Seeburg first. Seeburg were also first with angular styling, the K models of 1957 (Wurlitzer followed suite with the 2150 and 2250). Seeburg were almost always ahead of the rest, both in styling and technology. David C. Rock-ola was always the copycat and were behind the rest by a year or two. Much as I love Rockolas the original is always better (think M100C vs 1438, HF100R vs. 1448, AMI H and I vs. the Tempos, etc). In the 60's they didn't copy as much, and brought out lots of nice but sometimes rather anonymous looking jukeboxes. I thought about it and decided to keep only two 60's Rockolas - a 437 and a 1497 Empress (1963 model but still lots of 50's styling - the last wraparound dome I think). I didn't feel like keeping any 60's Seeburgs. But my first jukebox was an LPC1. That was in 1982. The Continentals have everything - unique styling, 200 selections, terrific sound. The thread starter probably listed three models he were familiar with. There are many better ones out there. Then again, if it is a jukebox it is bound to be pretty. Always! Well, almost :o) On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Thomas Teeter wrote: > I have both a 2310 and a 2510, and they are both better looking than the > original 3 jukes mentioned- they are both attractive jukes- even though I'm > really into Wurlys. I'd love to have a Continental, but they are out of my > price range at this time. :( > > Thomas > > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 9:35 AM, wrote: > > > > > I have to agree with Ron on the Q160.What an ugly jukebox.The Q100 is ok > I > > guess.The SS 160 is not a bad looking juke.Not my favorite though. I > think > > the > > Continental 1 and 2 are great 60s jukes. I like my Wurlitzer 2510 much > > better > > than any of the 3 you mentioned but some may hate it too since the 2300 > > and > > 2400 series have more and prettier color. And don't forget Rockola made > > the > > Tempo,Regis and Empress jukes in the early 60s,all much more handsome > jukes > > than the Rapsody. Though they can be a little on the high dollar side > due > > to > > their popularity with the Europeans. > > > > J.C. > > > > > > In a message dated 8/9/2008 9:58:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: > > > > >In your opinion--ONLY > > > > >I absolutly hate the Q-160 (Q-100 is OK) > > >I also dis-like the SS-160 > > >----And what the heck is a "Rhapsody", a 408, or a 418S? > > >Ron Rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > ( > > > http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From pinball at telus.net Sun Aug 10 13:07:37 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Aug 10 13:08:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <489F4A89.6080801@telus.net> Tim Larson wrote: > I need some assistance with a Wurlitzer 3300 I > acquired this month. I am a novice with electronics. But most parts are in > working order. My problem seems to be Selector solenoids that engage the > rockers to make the selection - they seem to be stuck in. when a selection > is made the rockers move to position (Ie A1) and make a buzz noise but > don't seem to work. > Tim Larson > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Read the service manual to identify the START microswitch. Find it, and measure it with an ohm-meter with the machine _*UNPLUGGED*_. There is info on reading ohm-meters on the internet. http://flippers.com/juke-tip.html <--for some of my suggestions. http://flippers.com/ami-rowe.html <-- pictures of another make (AMI) microswitch testing... That is always the first suspect in servicing Wurlitzer non-selecting (buzzes, but no selection made) for models ~2000 - 3300 inclusive. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 13:37:37 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 10 13:38:42 2008 Subject: [jukebox-list] THE THREE Greatest JUKEBOXEs OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: <3154d3690808101235g6f373f17jaf3b7b2a77a48df0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <544901.96397.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jens, I agree with everything you wrote here, except on the Q-160? Not only is the shape of that high front glass ugly, but so are the colors that were used on the whole phono. The "dirty gold" used on the upper glass reminds my of something my kids did (in their pants) every time I see it--and I also dislike that shade of blue. The "metalized" sides also turn me off--oh, well, I also dis-like the 100 select "Wash Basin" models SX and SL models.? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/10/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: If you say "60's", I presume you're talking about 60's styling. 2310 is definitely a 1959 model. Both 2400 and 2500 series retain some 50's elements. The 2600 (1962) is the first wholly angular Wurlitzer with all glass flat. Then they went back to some roundness with the 2900-3000. 1962 is generally the year when 60's styling started dominating. Seeburg brought out the LP Console LPC-1, another innovative Seeburg first. Seeburg were also first with angular styling, the K models of 1957 (Wurlitzer followed suite with the 2150 and 2250). Seeburg were almost always ahead of the rest, both in styling and technology. David C. Rock-ola was always the copycat and were behind the rest by a year or two. Much as I love Rockolas the original is always better (think M100C vs 1438, HF100R vs. 1448, AMI H and I vs. the Tempos, etc). In the 60's they didn't copy as much, and brought out lots of nice but sometimes rather anonymous looking jukeboxes. I thought about it and decided to keep only two 60's Rockolas - a 437 and a 1497 Empress (1963 model but still lots of 50's styling - the last wraparound dome I think). I didn't feel like keeping any 60's Seeburgs. But my first jukebox was an LPC1. That was in 1982. The Continentals have everything - unique styling, 200 selections, terrific sound. The thread starter probably listed three models he were familiar with. There are many better ones out there. Then again, if it is a jukebox it is bound to be pretty. Always! Well, almost :o) From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sun Aug 10 13:52:48 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 10 14:00:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Q ballast Message-ID: <8CAC9422E77F205-1544-AF9@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> I have two black "j-hook" wires, one leading directly into the bottom of the ballast, the other to the flourescent bulbs upstairs (I think). I'm thinking these attach to two of the "1,2,3" terminals on the pre-amp...? Am I right, or totally off-base? Thanks- j From steve at pro-ns.net Sun Aug 10 14:26:24 2008 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Sun Aug 10 14:27:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes In-Reply-To: <8CAC8A97567995C-8FC-514B@webmail-ne09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAC8A97567995C-8FC-514B@webmail-ne09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20080810212624.GA2889@pro-ns.net> I don't know about mandatory, but Georgia Satellites "Keep Your Hands To Yourself" comes to mind, and I don't know who sang the original for sure, but "I Knew The Bride (When She Used To Rock And Roll)" even includes "Pumping all her money in the record machine" in the lyrics, so it ties jukes and weddings together. --> Steve On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 10:39:34PM -0400, pat2355@aol.com wrote: > Which songs are MANDATORY on a jukebox being played for a wedding party. I have my own ideas (Stuckey-This is Love), including some warped ones (Garth- Friends in Low Places)(Top Gun-Danger Zone)(Alice in Chains-Man in a Box) but I'm always fishing for more 45 rpm records to buy. Thanks Pat > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. -- Henry Spencer From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 15:56:32 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 10 15:57:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Q ballast In-Reply-To: <8CAC9422E77F205-1544-AF9@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <825972.47472.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> RTM ! If you are un-able to do that, get someone to help you before you kill yourself !!?"Ballast's" and (What ??) "pre-amps" do NOT mix ! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/10/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: From: jhayes2613@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Q ballast To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 1:52 PM I have two black "j-hook" wires, one leading directly into the bottom of the ballast, the other to the flourescent bulbs upstairs (I think). I'm thinking these attach to two of the "1,2,3" terminals on the pre-amp...? Am I right, or totally off-base? Thanks- j _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tim at catawbamail.com Sun Aug 10 16:08:01 2008 From: tim at catawbamail.com (Tim Larson) Date: Sun Aug 10 16:09:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Problems In-Reply-To: <489F4A89.6080801@telus.net> Message-ID: Thanks I will let you know how that shakes out! Tim Larson Director of Printing Operations Catawba Print & Mail 828-324-2021 ext 302 tim@catawbamail.com Www.catawbamail.com > From: John Robertson > Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. > Reply-To: , Jukebox mailing list > > Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:07:37 -0700 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Problems > > Tim Larson wrote: >> I need some assistance with a Wurlitzer 3300 I >> acquired this month. I am a novice with electronics. But most parts are in >> working order. My problem seems to be Selector solenoids that engage the >> rockers to make the selection - they seem to be stuck in. when a selection >> is made the rockers move to position (Ie A1) and make a buzz noise but >> don't seem to work. >> Tim Larson >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > Read the service manual to identify the START microswitch. Find it, and > measure it with an ohm-meter with the machine _*UNPLUGGED*_. There is > info on reading ohm-meters on the internet. > > http://flippers.com/juke-tip.html <--for some of my suggestions. > http://flippers.com/ami-rowe.html <-- pictures of another make (AMI) > microswitch testing... > > That is always the first suspect in servicing Wurlitzer non-selecting > (buzzes, but no selection made) for models ~2000 - 3300 inclusive. > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From etreble7 at verizon.net Sun Aug 10 19:18:38 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sun Aug 10 16:19:49 2008 Subject: [jukebox-list] THE THREE Greatest JUKEBOXEs OF THE 1960s: References: Message-ID: <00c101c8fb58$91401910$0301a8c0@home1903> These have been interesting posts to read, I don't have many 60's Jukeboxes but of all my Jukes, I love the look and the action of the 2410. It's so interesting to watch. The Rockola 437 is my best sounding stereo jukebox and the younger kids like the look of that one the best. Also I love the LOGO on the Seeburg LS2 and the selection lights. It's not hard to find something cool about all these Jukeboxes! Jackie Dancin' Out ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Teeter" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [jukebox-list] THE THREE Greatest JUKEBOXEs OF THE 1960s: >I have both a 2310 and a 2510, and they are both better looking than the > original 3 jukes mentioned- they are both attractive jukes- even though > I'm > really into Wurlys. I'd love to have a Continental, but they are out of my > price range at this time. :( > > Thomas > > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 9:35 AM, wrote: > >> >> I have to agree with Ron on the Q160.What an ugly jukebox.The Q100 is ok >> I >> guess.The SS 160 is not a bad looking juke.Not my favorite though. I >> think >> the >> Continental 1 and 2 are great 60s jukes. I like my Wurlitzer 2510 much >> better >> than any of the 3 you mentioned but some may hate it too since the 2300 >> and >> 2400 series have more and prettier color. And don't forget Rockola made >> the >> Tempo,Regis and Empress jukes in the early 60s,all much more handsome >> jukes >> than the Rapsody. Though they can be a little on the high dollar side >> due >> to >> their popularity with the Europeans. >> >> J.C. >> >> >> In a message dated 8/9/2008 9:58:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: >> >> >In your opinion--ONLY >> >> >I absolutly hate the Q-160 (Q-100 is OK) >> >I also dis-like the SS-160 >> >----And what the heck is a "Rhapsody", a 408, or a 418S? >> >Ron Rich >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your >> budget? >> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >> ( >> http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017) >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sun Aug 10 16:16:07 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 10 16:22:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Q ballast In-Reply-To: <825972.47472.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CAC95633F877CD-1544-FC6@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> I meant the "tormat selector unit"; sorry. Do the ballast wires feed into THAT? -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 5:56 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Q ballast RTM ! If you are un-able to do that, get someone to help you before you kill yourself !!?"Ballast's" and (What ??) "pre-amps" do NOT mix ! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/10/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: From: jhayes2613@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Q ballast To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 1:52 PM I have two black "j-hook" wires, one leading directly into the bottom of the ballast, the other to the flourescent bulbs upstairs (I think). I'm thinking these attach to two of the "1,2,3" terminals on the pre-amp...? Am I right, or totally off-base? Thanks- j _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Sun Aug 10 18:06:31 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Aug 10 18:07:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Q ballast In-Reply-To: <8CAC95633F877CD-1544-FC6@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAC95633F877CD-1544-FC6@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <489F9097.7060801@telus.net> The ballast transformers are wired to the flourescent lights and a separate 115VAC plug that goes into the two prong 115VAC style plug on the Selection Receiver unit. If you are not certain, then DO NOT WIRE THEM! The manual shows where and how the ballasts are wired... John :-#)# jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > I meant the "tormat selector unit"; sorry. Do the ballast wires feed into THAT? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Rich > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 5:56 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Q ballast > > > RTM ! If you are un-able to do that, get someone to help you before you kill > yourself !!?"Ballast's" and (What ??) "pre-amps" do NOT mix ! Ron Rich > > --- On Sun, 8/10/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > > From: jhayes2613@aol.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Q ballast > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 1:52 PM > > I have two black "j-hook" wires, one leading directly into the bottom > of the ballast, the other to the flourescent bulbs upstairs (I think). I'm > thinking these attach to two of the "1,2,3" terminals on the > pre-amp...? Am I right, or totally off-base? > Thanks- > j > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sun Aug 10 18:34:17 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 10 18:41:57 2008 Subject: [jukebox-list] THE THREE Greatest JUKEBOXEs OF THE 1960s: In-Reply-To: <544901.96397.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CAC96980EF60A6-1544-1538@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> The Q-160 without the 33 STEREO stuff is prettier... the musician guys are carried along the top. I don't think they used any of the dirty gold in the alternate non-33 graphics, just the light blue and white. Surely the 33 version is more common; I've only seen one model that was standard 45 only play. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 3:37 pm Subject: Re: [jukebox-list] THE THREE Greatest JUKEBOXEs OF THE 1960s: Jens, I agree with everything you wrote here, except on the Q-160? Not only is the shape of that high front glass ugly, but so are the colors that were used on the whole phono. The "dirty gold" used on the upper glass reminds my of something my kids did (in their pants) every time I see it--and I also dislike that shade of blue. The "metalized" sides also turn me off--oh, well, I also dis-like the 100 select "Wash Basin" models SX and SL models.? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/10/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: If you say "60's", I presume you're talking about 60's styling. 2310 is definitely a 1959 model. Both 2400 and 2500 series retain some 50's elements. The 2600 (1962) is the first wholly angular Wurlitzer with all glass flat. Then they went back to some roundness with the 2900-3000. 1962 is generally the year when 60's styling started dominating. Seeburg brought out the LP Console LPC-1, another innovative Seeburg first. Seeburg were also first with angular styling, the K models of 1957 (Wurlitzer followed suite with the 2150 and 2250). Seeburg were almost always ahead of the rest, both in styling and technology. David C. Rock-ola was always the copycat and were behind the rest by a year or two. Much as I love Rockolas the original is always better (think M100C vs 1438, HF100R vs. 1448, AMI H and I vs. the Tempos, etc). In the 60's they didn't copy as much, and brought out lots of nice but sometimes rather anonymous looking jukeboxes. I thought about it and decided to keep only two 60's Rockolas - a 437 and a 1497 Empress (1963 model but still lots of 50's styling - the last wraparound dome I think). I didn't feel like keeping any 60's Seeburgs. But my first jukebox was an LPC1. That was in 1982. The Continentals have everything - unique styling, 200 selections, terrific sound. The thread starter probably listed three models he were familiar with. There are many better ones out there. Then again, if it is a jukebox it is bound to be pretty. Always! Well, almost :o) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From mmarsh16 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 10 19:19:57 2008 From: mmarsh16 at hotmail.com (Mike Marsh) Date: Sun Aug 10 19:20:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes In-Reply-To: <8CAC8A97567995C-8FC-514B@webmail-ne09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAC8A97567995C-8FC-514B@webmail-ne09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hey Pat, Along those lines, try "Ball and Chain" by Social Distortion, "Big Bopper's Wedding" by the Big Bopper, and "Welcome to the Jungle" by Guns & Roses! Have Fun, Mike> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:39:34 -0400> From: pat2355@aol.com> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes> > Which songs are MANDATORY on a jukebox being played for a wedding party. I have my own ideas (Stuckey-This is Love), including some warped ones (Garth- Friends in Low Places)(Top Gun-Danger Zone)(Alice in Chains-Man in a Box) but I'm always fishing for more 45 rpm records to buy. Thanks Pat> _______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 20:09:30 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Aug 10 20:10:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <53700.72219.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So, is anyone going to take this question seriously but me? :-) David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com From pat2355 at aol.com Sun Aug 10 20:05:10 2008 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 10 20:12:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding music Message-ID: <8CAC976334AE74F-188-ABC7@WEBMAIL-NG12.sysops.aol.com> What's that song about sex by Van Halen ??? I could look it up, but it would be a great first or second dance. HAHAHAH Pat From jay at west.net Sun Aug 10 20:23:13 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Aug 10 20:23:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding music In-Reply-To: <8CAC976334AE74F-188-ABC7@WEBMAIL-NG12.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAC976334AE74F-188-ABC7@WEBMAIL-NG12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <489FB0A1.4080404@west.net> pat2355@aol.com wrote: > What's that song about sex by Van Halen ??? I could look it up, but it would be a great first or second dance. HAHAHAH Pat Well, there's "Why Don't We Get Drunk..." by Jimmy Buffett "Big Ten Inch" (purportedly in protest to the format change from 78 to 45 RPM) by Bull Moose Jackson. "Sixty-Minute Man" - The Dominoes -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Aug 10 21:22:54 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 10 21:30:00 2008 Subject: [jukebox-list] THE THREE Greatest JUKEBOXEs OF THE 1960s: Message-ID: I love your 2410 too Jackie.The red and blue colors are very pretty.And I mentioned I like your 437 too.If one of the 2 show up around here for a low price I might grab them but I'm not really in the market for another juke right now unless it's dirt cheap and I plan on selling it after I'm done fixing it. Hey Jackie, I talked to a guy in your neck of the woods through my craigslist ad that wanted to sell some jukes of all things this week.He has a Seeburg J that he needs to sell due to his fathers house being sold.I'm tapped out and think he's a little high but if you want to to try to haggle with him let me know offlist. I'm sure he'll go lower because he's got to move it. Besides I have an R in my collection and I prefer the R to the J.Both sound and looks. If I move the Sunstar I may go see the other stuff he has.He has an Entertainer for cheap too.I may be a glutton for punishment there. I've read those little mini lights are a pain to change on those versus just soldering them in on the Sunstar.I got a phone call tonight from a guy in Denton,Md that seems pretty interested in my Sunstar....finally a phone call after 2 weeks on craigslist and 1 and 1/2 in the Guide.Is it the time of year,the juke market tanking or the economy I wonder? J.C. In a message dated 8/10/2008 7:20:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: These have been interesting posts to read, I don't have many 60's Jukeboxes but of all my Jukes, I love the look and the action of the 2410. It's so interesting to watch. The Rockola 437 is my best sounding stereo jukebox and the younger kids like the look of that one the best. Also I love the LOGO on the Seeburg LS2 and the selection lights. It's not hard to find something cool about all these Jukeboxes! Jackie Dancin' Out **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From Jjmscf at aol.com Sun Aug 10 21:26:36 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 10 21:33:45 2008 Subject: [jukebox-list] THE THREE Greatest JUKEBOXEs OF THE 1960s: Message-ID: Me too on the Continental. :( J.C. In a message dated 8/10/2008 11:53:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jukeboxrepairman@gmail.com writes: I'd love to have a Continental, but they are out of my price range at this time. :( Thomas **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From dave.halford at telent.com Mon Aug 11 00:33:37 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Mon Aug 11 00:34:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes Message-ID: <20080811073339.7F39927407B@blade207.lb.inty.net> But we are David ;O) White Wedding by Billy Idol. regards Dave H David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent by: cc: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes etlojix.com 11/08/2008 04:09 Please respond to david_breneman; Please respond to Jukebox mailing list So, is anyone going to take this question seriously but me? :-) David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Mon Aug 11 02:07:20 2008 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Mon Aug 11 02:08:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes Message-ID: <899835.4262.qm@web86711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> And some serious suggestions from me (hope they haven't already been posted!) Chuck Berry - You never can tell. Lloyd Price - I'm gonna get married. Dixie Cups - Going to the chapel. Vandellas - Third finger left hand. Also there are probably also quite a number of doo-wop singles on that theme.? For example, The Five Satins "To the aisle" and "Babalu's wedding day" by ??, I've forgotten, must be an age thing! Norman. ----- Original Message ---- From: "dave.halford@telent.com" To: david_breneman@yahoo.com; Jukebox mailing list Sent: Monday, 11 August, 2008 8:33:37 AM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes But we are David ;O) White Wedding by Billy Idol. regards Dave H ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? David Breneman? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? To:? ? ? Jukebox mailing list ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sent by:? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? cc:? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n? ? ? ? Subject:? 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Mon Aug 11 04:08:07 2008 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Mon Aug 11 04:09:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding music References: <8CAC976334AE74F-188-ABC7@WEBMAIL-NG12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <005601c8fba2$89676eb0$6401a8c0@Graeme> An Australian one "The Shotgun Wedding" by Chad Morgan. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding music > What's that song about sex by Van Halen ??? I could look it up, but it > would be a great first or second dance. HAHAHAH Pat > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Mon Aug 11 07:13:03 2008 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Mon Aug 11 07:14:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fugly: eye of the beholder References: Message-ID: <015d01c8fbbc$5ef2e820$020fa8c0@PAW> I not saying this is one of the best or is fugly but compare what can be done with a Juke with some creativity. Some like it original our customer wanted something to make the box to his preference. What does every one think of the changes to the SS-160? Just my $.02 Roy From roywdean at cox.net Mon Aug 11 07:35:03 2008 From: roywdean at cox.net (Roy Dean) Date: Mon Aug 11 07:36:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: eye of the beholder foloow up References: <015d01c8fbbc$5ef2e820$020fa8c0@PAW> Message-ID: <026b01c8fbbf$71c21810$020fa8c0@PAW> Sorry gang I forgot to post the picture link for the custom SS-160 http://jukebox-junkyard.com/_wsn/page2.html Roy From gibson510 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 11 09:05:55 2008 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Mon Aug 11 09:07:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] No Luck With Wurlys Lately 2500 Message-ID: Appreciate the responses from everyone. I figured I was talking with other jukers so didn't get real specific. Here it is in detail. The 2500 im having issues with is set for free play. When i say it makes selections, I mean you can push a letter / number on the selector, it latches then release and you can see the latch solenoid actuate but machine does not start up. I can see the number bank move forward slightly then it resets back to rest position. If I manually release a selection pin, ex: E5, it will go and play that selection. The contacts in the pushbutton selector are clean and adjusted to the manual specs. John, I'm going to put a meter on that start switch and see if it's bad. Thanks to all who responded. Rick _________________________________________________________________ Got Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergames?ocid=TXT_TAGHM From scary-diva at hotmail.com Mon Aug 11 14:31:50 2008 From: scary-diva at hotmail.com (Beth Williams) Date: Mon Aug 11 14:32:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! Message-ID: I recently purchased an NSM Wall Performer for home use. Everything works great with original (store bought) audios however I'm having a selection problem with my own custom CD-R's :( Seems that if I select the first track on the CD-R the rest will play just fine on that disc (i.e. disc 12- track 01). HOWEVER should I select disc 12 - track 05 ( or whatever) then the disc wont play at all - I get error code 61 (disc not recognised) Seems it requires the first track on each CD-R to be selected BEFORE it will recognise any of the other tracks. I burnt these CD-R's myself (I am a collector of rare and obscure Northern Soul music and ripped a great many of then from the original vinyl as most of them are not available in any other format) Now I'm at a complete loss what to do next. The CD-R's play fine (selection included) in a stand alone cd player but I obviously want them to be able to play on my jukebox. Can anyone help??? _________________________________________________________________ Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/ From ccos at knology.net Mon Aug 11 15:02:30 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Aug 11 15:03:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Beth, Will all of the tracks on the cd play after you play the first one? If so, the computer is learning the index of the cd when you play the first track. There is a program code to tell the computer to sample and learn the index of each cd but I can't remember offhand what it is and playing the first song on the cd will do the same thing. If not, you may be experiencing a problem with a CDM3 player discussed here somewhat (for those who remember, I checked and my dad's rebuilt player is a CDM4 and thus had no bearing on the subject like I had hoped). Someone here may know for sure if there is a fix for your NSM jukebox other than upgrading to a proplayer but that is the only fix I know of. If on the other hand, you have a CDM4 or CDM12/Proplayer already, it should play burned cd's so send it to Bruce Wentworth and have it rebuilt. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Williams" To: Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 5:31 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! I recently purchased an NSM Wall Performer for home use. Everything works great with original (store bought) audios however I'm having a selection problem with my own custom CD-R's :( Seems that if I select the first track on the CD-R the rest will play just fine on that disc (i.e. disc 12- track 01). HOWEVER should I select disc 12 - track 05 ( or whatever) then the disc wont play at all - I get error code 61 (disc not recognised) Seems it requires the first track on each CD-R to be selected BEFORE it will recognise any of the other tracks. I burnt these CD-R's myself (I am a collector of rare and obscure Northern Soul music and ripped a great many of then from the original vinyl as most of them are not available in any other format) Now I'm at a complete loss what to do next. The CD-R's play fine (selection included) in a stand alone cd player but I obviously want them to be able to play on my jukebox. Can anyone help??? _________________________________________________________________ Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 16:36:29 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon Aug 11 16:37:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fugly: eye of the beholder In-Reply-To: <015d01c8fbbc$5ef2e820$020fa8c0@PAW> References: <015d01c8fbbc$5ef2e820$020fa8c0@PAW> Message-ID: Cool, but I like the speakers best... :) Thomas On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:13 AM, The Jukebox Junkyard < jukeboxjunkyard@cox.net> wrote: > I not saying this is one of the best or is fugly but compare what can be > done with a Juke with some creativity. Some like it original our customer > wanted something to make the box to his preference. What does every one > think of the changes to the SS-160? > > Just my $.02 > > Roy > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com From jhayes2613 at aol.com Mon Aug 11 16:31:59 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 11 16:39:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors Message-ID: <8CACA2195F869A3-107C-121B@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> Would you believe that the amp in my '63 Rockola Rhapsody has never been rebuilt? A new cart has been installed and it has been sounding awesome. Anyone else have luck similar to this? I just find it amazing. Granted, the machine has been well taken care of since it was new but still... From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 16:41:29 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 11 16:42:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] No Luck With Wurlys Lately 2500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <539976.96987.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Rick, Also check out relays, and "letter coil" CB (or fuse--8/10 SB MAX). Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/11/08, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] No Luck With Wurlys Lately 2500 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:05 AM Appreciate the responses from everyone. I figured I was talking with other jukers so didn't get real specific. Here it is in detail. The 2500 im having issues with is set for free play. When i say it makes selections, I mean you can push a letter / number on the selector, it latches then release and you can see the latch solenoid actuate but machine does not start up. I can see the number bank move forward slightly then it resets back to rest position. If I manually release a selection pin, ex: E5, it will go and play that selection. The contacts in the pushbutton selector are clean and adjusted to the manual specs. John, I'm going to put a meter on that start switch and see if it's bad. Thanks to all who responded. Rick _________________________________________________________________ Got Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergames?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Mon Aug 11 16:48:23 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Aug 11 16:49:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors In-Reply-To: <8CACA2195F869A3-107C-121B@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CACA2195F869A3-107C-121B@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <48A0CFC7.1020407@telus.net> jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Would you believe that the amp in my '63 Rockola Rhapsody has never been rebuilt? A new cart has been installed and it has been sounding awesome. Anyone else have luck similar to this? I just find it amazing. Granted, the machine has been well taken care of since it was new but still... > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Well, yes, it may be running now....but 45 year old caps are 45 years past their best before date! If you check the specs on modern capacitors they are only rated for ten years...and electrolytics will fail and can take tubes, etc. with them! In our shop a rebuild is not complete on anything from the 60s and earlier without a complete electrolytic (and plastic molded) capacitor replacement - just not worth the complaints a year or so down the road that the amp sounds bad after it has warmed up. 70's machines usually get the small electrolyic caps replaced, 80s get tested... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From tjmertz at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 11 16:55:14 2008 From: tjmertz at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Mertz) Date: Mon Aug 11 16:56:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <803012.51636.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not sure if it ever got answered, but "I Knew the Bride (when she used to Rock & Roll)" is Rockpile (Dave Edmunds and Nick Lowe and friends). Other wedding songs: "Too late to turn back now" - Cornelius Brothers and Sister Rose "Let's Stay Together" and "L-O-V-E" by Al Green "Peggy Sue Got Married" -- Buddy Holly "Love Me Tender" - Elvis (this was the first dance at my cousin's wedding) TJM Thomas J. Mertz Department of History Edgewood College tjmertz@sbcglobal.net Advocates for Madison Public Schools Communities and Schools Together From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 17:45:29 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:46:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors In-Reply-To: <8CACA2195F869A3-107C-121B@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <292642.81450.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Yap, but ain't that sorta like driving your car for 50+ years without changing the oil---? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/11/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: From: jhayes2613@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 4:31 PM Would you believe that the amp in my '63 Rockola Rhapsody has never been rebuilt? A new cart has been installed and it has been sounding awesome. Anyone else have luck similar to this? I just find it amazing. Granted, the machine has been well taken care of since it was new but still... _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From caswellcivil2 at bigpond.com Mon Aug 11 18:28:09 2008 From: caswellcivil2 at bigpond.com (CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE) Date: Mon Aug 11 18:20:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg ay160 Message-ID: <000801c8fc1a$ae16faf0$1d8ade79@jason> I have a seeburg ay 160 that is on free play but using a push button switch wired into the coin mech, trouble with that is it only gives one credit per push and the button is starting to work intermittently. Can anyone tell me the most efficient way to free play this model? thanks jason From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 18:22:04 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 11 18:23:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <607523.90406.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Beth, I have heard various "story's" of what is happenning here. I do NOT know which are true, false, or partly true or false--perhaps someone can clue me in also. 1. "Commercial" CD Jukeboxes were not?designed? to play "burned CD's". 2. "Commercial" CD Jukeboxes were designed, NOT to play burned CD's ( It is NOT legal to play anything but an original, factory produced CD on a jukebox, in the USA) 3. Some of the "software" (be it in the "controller" or player), may be un-able?to handle the type CD you ae burning ( sometimes just try another brand blank). 4. The "eye' on your player may be dirty or weak. 5. (from jukebox makers) We didn't design the player-- 6. (from Phillips) we didn't design (take your choice)--the whole system, the software, --that's an obsolete player, we found that and "fixed it" in the newer (softwear, or new version player). 7. You probably have a poor power supply-- I could probably go on--but it's time for dinner-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Beth Williams wrote: From: Beth Williams Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 2:31 PM I recently purchased an NSM Wall Performer for home use. Everything works great with original (store bought) audios however I'm having a selection problem with my own custom CD-R's :( Seems that if I select the first track on the CD-R the rest will play just fine on that disc (i.e. disc 12- track 01). HOWEVER should I select disc 12 - track 05 ( or whatever) then the disc wont play at all - I get error code 61 (disc not recognised) Seems it requires the first track on each CD-R to be selected BEFORE it will recognise any of the other tracks. I burnt these CD-R's myself (I am a collector of rare and obscure Northern Soul music and ripped a great many of then from the original vinyl as most of them are not available in any other format) Now I'm at a complete loss what to do next. The CD-R's play fine (selection included) in a stand alone cd player but I obviously want them to be able to play on my jukebox. Can anyone help??? _________________________________________________________________ Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From caswellcivil2 at bigpond.com Mon Aug 11 18:31:14 2008 From: caswellcivil2 at bigpond.com (CASWELL CIVIL & LANDSCAPE) Date: Mon Aug 11 18:23:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] rockola 1438 Message-ID: <000f01c8fc1b$1c4d6590$1d8ade79@jason> I have a rockola 1438 set on free play but it will only accept one selection at a time, once the record thats been selected is playing then it allows the next selection, does this sound right? Jason From scary-diva at hotmail.com Mon Aug 11 18:47:26 2008 From: scary-diva at hotmail.com (Beth Williams) Date: Mon Aug 11 18:48:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! Message-ID: Thank you for your quick response Karl - much appreciated :) "Will all of the tracks on the cd play after you play the first one?" Yes they will "If so, the computer is learning the index of the cd when you play the first track. " OK that makes sense :) "There is a program code to tell the computer to sample and learn the index of each cd but I can't remember offhand what it is and playing the first song on the cd will do the same thing." I am fairly new to all of this so I assuming ( probably wrongly! *lol*) that this is the 'initialization' ? If so I have tried to initailize the discs via the instructions in the manual but it doesn't seem to work :( "If not, you may be experiencing a problem with a CDM3 player discussed here somewhat (for those who remember, I checked and my dad's rebuilt player is a CDM4 and thus had no bearing on the subject like I had hoped). Someone here may know for sure if there is a fix for your NSM jukebox other than upgrading to a proplayer but that is the only fix I know of. If on the other hand, you have a CDM4 or CDM12/Proplayer already, it should play burned cd's so send it to Bruce Wentworth and have it rebuilt."I will check out the thread on the CDM3 player, though in all honesty my limits of'technical expertise' are already stretched to their very restrictive boundaries *lol*I was hoping this was a relatively 'easy fix' - I am grateful for any advice I can receivebest regardsBeth _________________________________________________________________ Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live. http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WLYIA_whichathlete_us From jhayes2613 at aol.com Mon Aug 11 19:26:02 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 11 19:33:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors In-Reply-To: <292642.81450.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CACA39E65AB76C-107C-1B5F@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> Hey, if it ain't broke... -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 7:45 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors Yap, but ain't that sorta like driving your car for 50+ years without changing the oil---? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/11/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: From: jhayes2613@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 4:31 PM Would you believe that the amp in my '63 Rockola Rhapsody has never been rebuilt? A new cart has been installed and it has been sounding awesome. Anyone else have luck similar to this? I just find it amazing. Granted, the machine has been well taken care of since it was new but still... _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From sonnygirl at cafes.net Mon Aug 11 19:49:37 2008 From: sonnygirl at cafes.net (sonnygirl@cafes.net) Date: Mon Aug 11 19:50:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes Message-ID: <20056.1218509377@cafes.net> At my wedding, I had them play "Another One Bites The Dust" by Queen. From jay at west.net Mon Aug 11 19:55:42 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Aug 11 19:55:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! In-Reply-To: <607523.90406.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <607523.90406.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48A0FBAE.5080308@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Beth, > I have heard various "story's" of what is happenning here. I do NOT know which are true, false, or partly true or false--perhaps someone can clue me in also. > 1. "Commercial" CD Jukeboxes were not designed to play "burned CD's". Probably true, because "burned CDs" didn't exist at the time. Early CD players, both hardware and software, were less forgiving. > 2. "Commercial" CD Jukeboxes were designed, NOT to play burned CD's Probably false. In a commercial environment the players would be designed to be as robust and tolerant of errors, misalignment, etc. as possible. > ( It is NOT legal to play anything but an original, factory produced CD on a jukebox, in the USA) Probably false. In a home environment, it's the same as any other phonograph or CD player. In a commercial environment, a jukebox license is required which pays ASCAP. I'm not a lawyer, this is my opinion. Cite the statute. Does this law allow or disallow original, factory-produced imported CDs? Why or why not? > 3. Some of the "software" (be it in the "controller" or player), may be un-able to handle the type CD you ae burning ( sometimes just try another brand blank). Possibly true, in regard to the low-level software that analyzes the analog (yes, analog) output from the laser to digitize and decode it and synchronize it. Different blanks, recording at a lower speed, a different burner, aligning the player, etc. may make a difference. Note that some (most, all) of this software is mask-burned into integrated circuits and not trivially upgraded without swapping hardware. > 4. The "eye' on your player may be dirty or weak. Possibly. > 5. (from jukebox makers) We didn't design the player-- True. But you specified it and accepted and installed it. > 6. (from Phillips) we didn't design (take your choice)--the whole system, the software, --that's an obsolete player, we found that and "fixed it" in the newer (softwear, or new version player). Possibly true. However, the player mechanism includes the d/a converter, laser assembly, and transport mechanics. And Philips was one of the primary developers of the CD standard. > 7. You probably have a poor power supply-- Smells like organic fertilizer to me. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 20:31:40 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 11 20:32:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors In-Reply-To: <8CACA39E65AB76C-107C-1B5F@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <683856.14595.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hey, if it ain't broke... IT WILL BE !! -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 7:45 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors Yap, but ain't that sorta like driving your car for 50+ years without changing the oil---? Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/11/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: From: jhayes2613@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 4:31 PM Would you believe that the amp in my '63 Rockola Rhapsody has never been rebuilt? A new cart has been installed and it has been sounding awesome. Anyone else have luck similar to this? I just find it amazing. Granted, the machine has been well taken care of since it was new but still... _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 20:51:01 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Aug 11 20:52:01 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors In-Reply-To: <8CACA2195F869A3-107C-121B@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <671176.21617.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 8/11/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > Would you believe that the amp in my '63 Rockola > Rhapsody has never been rebuilt? A new cart has been > installed and it has been sounding awesome. Anyone else have > luck similar to this? My 1956 AMI G-200 finally went bad this Fourth of July. The output sounded distorted, like it was "softly" clipping, and one of the output tubes had a hot spot on its plate. After 25 years or so of being continually powered up (because it sits in my unheated workshop) it finally needs a rebuild - and it needs to be done in time for the Christmas Party... Pictures here: http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/ami-in-workshop.jpg http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/ami-on4th-2.jpg http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/xmas_jukebox_07-3.jpg Now, the M100-A (fingers crossed) has never been rebuilt, either... http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/seeburg-m100a-1.jpg http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/xmas_jukebox_07-1.jpg http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/xmas_jukebox_07-2.jpg From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 20:52:42 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 11 20:53:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! In-Reply-To: <48A0FBAE.5080308@west.net> Message-ID: <587917.83810.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jay, In regards to # 2, "Jukeboxes" are defined as? mechanical reproduction phonographs, designed to play music, for a price. They can NOT be operated on "Free Play" , and still be considered a "Jukebox", and be eligible to be licensed, unless separate contracts are signed with ASCAP, BMI, and SECORE--therefore, in home use, they are, as you say, a "home" record or CD player, not a commercial jukebox. ( I think the JLO's toll free number is 1-800 995-JUKES, or 800-955-jukes--once again, my great, just not too long memory). "Down-Loaders" are not eligible for the license, as they are not "mechanical". So, The "music service" must negotiate any and all licenses directly with the copyright owner Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 7:55 PM Ron Rich wrote: > Beth, > I have heard various "story's" of what is happenning here. I do NOT know which are true, false, or partly true or false--perhaps someone can clue me in also. > 1. "Commercial" CD Jukeboxes were not designed to play "burned CD's". Probably true, because "burned CDs" didn't exist at the time. Early CD players, both hardware and software, were less forgiving. > 2. "Commercial" CD Jukeboxes were designed, NOT to play burned CD's Probably false. In a commercial environment the players would be designed to be as robust and tolerant of errors, misalignment, etc. as possible. > ( It is NOT legal to play anything but an original, factory produced CD on a jukebox, in the USA) Probably false. In a home environment, it's the same as any other phonograph or CD player. In a commercial environment, a jukebox license is required which pays ASCAP. I'm not a lawyer, this is my opinion. Cite the statute. Does this law allow or disallow original, factory-produced imported CDs? Why or why not? > 3. Some of the "software" (be it in the "controller" or player), may be un-able to handle the type CD you ae burning ( sometimes just try another brand blank). Possibly true, in regard to the low-level software that analyzes the analog (yes, analog) output from the laser to digitize and decode it and synchronize it. Different blanks, recording at a lower speed, a different burner, aligning the player, etc. may make a difference. Note that some (most, all) of this software is mask-burned into integrated circuits and not trivially upgraded without swapping hardware. > 4. The "eye' on your player may be dirty or weak. Possibly. > 5. (from jukebox makers) We didn't design the player-- True. But you specified it and accepted and installed it. > 6. (from Phillips) we didn't design (take your choice)--the whole system, the software, --that's an obsolete player, we found that and "fixed it" in the newer (softwear, or new version player). Possibly true. However, the player mechanism includes the d/a converter, laser assembly, and transport mechanics. And Philips was one of the primary developers of the CD standard. > 7. You probably have a poor power supply-- Smells like organic fertilizer to me. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ccos at knology.net Mon Aug 11 20:56:12 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Aug 11 20:57:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! In-Reply-To: <607523.90406.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <607523.90406.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C18276A17AC4FB8B9161DAE746020C2@CCOSPC> Ron, I have to differ with you on one point. It is in fact legal to play burned cd's on any commercial jukebox or anywhere else. The reason is that to allow for damages that might occur due to mechanical failure, you are allowed to use backup copies and keep the original safe and sound in your office, warehouse, or home. Of course, this means if you have 35 commercial juleboxes all over town using "backup" copies, you are required to have 35 originals of that cd on hand, ready to produce on request. Personally, I disagree with that policy (it's too vague to be called a law) because the intent is to see that the writers, artists, producers, etc, get their royalties,which they already get by forcing you to either report individual plays to individual artists.companies, etc, OR.....pay the approved collective collector of said funds, namely BMI, a set fee yearly regardless of plays a jukebox actually earns. In my eyes, they are forcing you to pay royalties twice on the same music. Of course all of that is somewhat moot now that internet jukeboxes handle it all. Point is, you can legall run copies of cd's in your jukeboxes, even though many do it and few do it legally. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! Beth, I have heard various "story's" of what is happenning here. I do NOT know which are true, false, or partly true or false--perhaps someone can clue me in also. 1. "Commercial" CD Jukeboxes were not designed to play "burned CD's". 2. "Commercial" CD Jukeboxes were designed, NOT to play burned CD's ( It is NOT legal to play anything but an original, factory produced CD on a jukebox, in the USA) 3. Some of the "software" (be it in the "controller" or player), may be un-able to handle the type CD you ae burning ( sometimes just try another brand blank). 4. The "eye' on your player may be dirty or weak. 5. (from jukebox makers) We didn't design the player-- 6. (from Phillips) we didn't design (take your choice)--the whole system, the software, --that's an obsolete player, we found that and "fixed it" in the newer (softwear, or new version player). 7. You probably have a poor power supply-- I could probably go on--but it's time for dinner-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Beth Williams wrote: From: Beth Williams Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 2:31 PM I recently purchased an NSM Wall Performer for home use. Everything works great with original (store bought) audios however I'm having a selection problem with my own custom CD-R's :( Seems that if I select the first track on the CD-R the rest will play just fine on that disc (i.e. disc 12- track 01). HOWEVER should I select disc 12 - track 05 ( or whatever) then the disc wont play at all - I get error code 61 (disc not recognised) Seems it requires the first track on each CD-R to be selected BEFORE it will recognise any of the other tracks. I burnt these CD-R's myself (I am a collector of rare and obscure Northern Soul music and ripped a great many of then from the original vinyl as most of them are not available in any other format) Now I'm at a complete loss what to do next. The CD-R's play fine (selection included) in a stand alone cd player but I obviously want them to be able to play on my jukebox. Can anyone help??? _________________________________________________________________ Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Mon Aug 11 21:13:15 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Aug 11 21:12:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! In-Reply-To: <587917.83810.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <587917.83810.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48A10DDB.2060204@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Jay, > In regards to # 2, "Jukeboxes" are defined as mechanical reproduction phonographs, designed to play music, for a price. They can NOT be operated on "Free Play" , and still be considered a "Jukebox", and be eligible to be licensed, unless separate contracts are signed with ASCAP, BMI, and SECORE--therefore, in home use, they are, as you say, a "home" record or CD player, not a commercial jukebox. ( I think the JLO's toll free number is 1-800 995-JUKES, or 800-955-jukes--once again, my great, just not too long memory). What does that have to do with whether a CD is a factory-produced original? Can a local garage band burn a CD of original music and give it to a jukebox operator in order to promote the band? Is the operator prohibited from loading such a CD? Why or why not? Is there a URL referencing this law? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ccos at knology.net Mon Aug 11 21:14:13 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Mon Aug 11 21:15:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Beth, No problem. You will find people on this list way smarter and more technical than me, so don't be impressed too soon....LOL. It's an easy check for you. Just play selection 1 on a cd, let the mechanism put the cd back when the song is over, then select another song and see what happens. if it continually plays the first song only, then you have a problem. if it then will play all selections on the cd, you have "taught" the computer the new cd's index. One problem you may encounter, which I failed to mention earlier, is that in rare cases, in commercial environments, for one reason or another, operators will have empty slots in the jukebox. The operator, or repetitive attempts, will "teach" the computer there is no cd in that slot and not allow you to play even the FIRST song. It will not allow you to select that cd at all. In those cases, you have no choice but to tell the computer, through programming, to go get that cd and check out the table of contents or "index" and to remember it. For now, just try that (play the first song, let it put it back, and then select another song on the same cd) and let us know what happens. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Williams" To: Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:47 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! Thank you for your quick response Karl - much appreciated :) "Will all of the tracks on the cd play after you play the first one?" Yes they will "If so, the computer is learning the index of the cd when you play the first track. " OK that makes sense :) "There is a program code to tell the computer to sample and learn the index of each cd but I can't remember offhand what it is and playing the first song on the cd will do the same thing." I am fairly new to all of this so I assuming ( probably wrongly! *lol*) that this is the 'initialization' ? If so I have tried to initailize the discs via the instructions in the manual but it doesn't seem to work :( "If not, you may be experiencing a problem with a CDM3 player discussed here somewhat (for those who remember, I checked and my dad's rebuilt player is a CDM4 and thus had no bearing on the subject like I had hoped). Someone here may know for sure if there is a fix for your NSM jukebox other than upgrading to a proplayer but that is the only fix I know of. If on the other hand, you have a CDM4 or CDM12/Proplayer already, it should play burned cd's so send it to Bruce Wentworth and have it rebuilt."I will check out the thread on the CDM3 player, though in all honesty my limits of'technical expertise' are already stretched to their very restrictive boundaries *lol*I was hoping this was a relatively 'easy fix' - I am grateful for any advice I can receivebest regardsBeth _________________________________________________________________ Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live. http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WLYIA_whichathlete_us_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 21:23:24 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Mon Aug 11 21:24:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! In-Reply-To: <587917.83810.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <48A0FBAE.5080308@west.net> <587917.83810.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is true Ron. If one wanted to operate the jukebox as "free play" and be covered under the jukebox license office, the closest you could do is set the jukebox for 9,999 plays for a quarter. close enough... :) Thomas On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Jay, > In regards to # 2, "Jukeboxes" are defined as mechanical reproduction > phonographs, designed to play music, for a price. They can NOT be operated > on "Free Play" , and still be considered a "Jukebox", and be eligible to be > licensed, unless separate contracts are signed with ASCAP, BMI, and > SECORE--therefore, in home use, they are, as you say, a "home" record or CD > player, not a commercial jukebox. ( I think the JLO's toll free number is > 1-800 995-JUKES, or 800-955-jukes--once again, my great, just not too long > memory). > "Down-Loaders" are not eligible for the license, as they are not > "mechanical". So, The "music service" must negotiate any and all licenses > directly with the copyright owner > Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: > > From: Jay Hennigan > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 7:55 PM > > Ron Rich wrote: > > Beth, > > I have heard various "story's" of what is happenning here. I > do NOT know which are true, false, or partly true or false--perhaps someone > can > clue me in also. > > 1. "Commercial" CD Jukeboxes were not designed to play > "burned CD's". > > Probably true, because "burned CDs" didn't exist at the time. > Early CD > players, both hardware and software, were less forgiving. > > > 2. "Commercial" CD Jukeboxes were designed, NOT to play burned > CD's > > Probably false. In a commercial environment the players would be > designed to be as robust and tolerant of errors, misalignment, etc. as > possible. > > > ( It is NOT legal to play anything but an original, factory produced CD > on > a jukebox, in the USA) > > Probably false. In a home environment, it's the same as any other > phonograph or CD player. In a commercial environment, a jukebox license > is required which pays ASCAP. I'm not a lawyer, this is my opinion. > Cite the statute. Does this law allow or disallow original, > factory-produced imported CDs? Why or why not? > > > 3. Some of the "software" (be it in the "controller" > or player), may be un-able to handle the type CD you ae burning ( sometimes > just > try another brand blank). > > Possibly true, in regard to the low-level software that analyzes the > analog (yes, analog) output from the laser to digitize and decode it and > synchronize it. Different blanks, recording at a lower speed, a > different burner, aligning the player, etc. may make a difference. Note > that some (most, all) of this software is mask-burned into integrated > circuits and not trivially upgraded without swapping hardware. > > > 4. The "eye' on your player may be dirty or weak. > > Possibly. > > > 5. (from jukebox makers) We didn't design the player-- > > True. But you specified it and accepted and installed it. > > > 6. (from Phillips) we didn't design (take your choice)--the whole > system, the software, --that's an obsolete player, we found that and > "fixed it" in the newer (softwear, or new version player). > > Possibly true. However, the player mechanism includes the d/a > converter, laser assembly, and transport mechanics. And Philips was one > of the primary developers of the CD standard. > > > 7. You probably have a poor power supply-- > > Smells like organic fertilizer to me. > > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 21:28:39 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 11 21:29:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! In-Reply-To: <3C18276A17AC4FB8B9161DAE746020C2@CCOSPC> Message-ID: <316801.47557.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Karl, I have heard that, but, I was told that if that's the case, the originals must be inside the JB ?? I was also informed that one can not use "copied artwork" in any instance, in a jukebox--I was warned by an ASCAP guy, when he saw that I had copied the cover artwork for Pink Floyd's -Brick on the Wall, CD. I had done so, only because it is a double CD, and there is no artwork provided for the second CD. Once he saw the CD case, and the two CD's in the phono, he asked me to display them both on the same page (he let me use the copy artwork). Ron --- On Mon, 8/11/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 8:56 PM Ron, I have to differ with you on one point. It is in fact legal to play burned cd's on any commercial jukebox or anywhere else. The reason is that to allow for damages that might occur due to mechanical failure, you are allowed to use backup copies and keep the original safe and sound in your office, warehouse, or home. Of course, this means if you have 35 commercial juleboxes all over town using "backup" copies, you are required to have 35 originals of that cd on hand, ready to produce on request. Personally, I disagree with that policy (it's too vague to be called a law) because the intent is to see that the writers, artists, producers, etc, get their royalties,which they already get by forcing you to either report individual plays to individual artists.companies, etc, OR.....pay the approved collective collector of said funds, namely BMI, a set fee yearly regardless of plays a jukebox actually earns. In my eyes, they are forcing you to pay royalties twice on the same music. Of course all of that is somewhat moot now that internet jukeboxes handle it all. Point is, you can legall run copies of cd's in your jukeboxes, even though many do it and few do it legally. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! Beth, I have heard various "story's" of what is happenning here. I do NOT know which are true, false, or partly true or false--perhaps someone can clue me in also. 1. "Commercial" CD Jukeboxes were not designed to play "burned CD's". 2. "Commercial" CD Jukeboxes were designed, NOT to play burned CD's ( It is NOT legal to play anything but an original, factory produced CD on a jukebox, in the USA) 3. Some of the "software" (be it in the "controller" or player), may be un-able to handle the type CD you ae burning ( sometimes just try another brand blank). 4. The "eye' on your player may be dirty or weak. 5. (from jukebox makers) We didn't design the player-- 6. (from Phillips) we didn't design (take your choice)--the whole system, the software, --that's an obsolete player, we found that and "fixed it" in the newer (softwear, or new version player). 7. You probably have a poor power supply-- I could probably go on--but it's time for dinner-- Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Beth Williams wrote: From: Beth Williams Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 2:31 PM I recently purchased an NSM Wall Performer for home use. Everything works great with original (store bought) audios however I'm having a selection problem with my own custom CD-R's :( Seems that if I select the first track on the CD-R the rest will play just fine on that disc (i.e. disc 12- track 01). HOWEVER should I select disc 12 - track 05 ( or whatever) then the disc wont play at all - I get error code 61 (disc not recognised) Seems it requires the first track on each CD-R to be selected BEFORE it will recognise any of the other tracks. I burnt these CD-R's myself (I am a collector of rare and obscure Northern Soul music and ripped a great many of then from the original vinyl as most of them are not available in any other format) Now I'm at a complete loss what to do next. The CD-R's play fine (selection included) in a stand alone cd player but I obviously want them to be able to play on my jukebox. Can anyone help??? _________________________________________________________________ Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 21:58:29 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 11 21:59:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list]JLO-was- NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! In-Reply-To: <48A10DDB.2060204@west.net> Message-ID: <657656.90158.qm@web55811.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jay, I don't know--give the Jukebox License Office (JLO)?a call-- I had a "run-in" with an ASCAP guy one day, years ago. He spotted me un-loading a jukebox from my truck. He introduced himself, and asked me where the JB was going. I pointed to the "strip club" near where I was?parked---he offered to "help me". Once inside, with the JB pluged in, he looked at the selections. That's when the "artwork copy" issue came up. He then asked?if I had any "burned CD's" in it, or ever planned to use them in?it.? I said no---but that it was a monthly rental and I would really have no control over what the location did. He said that?it was my responsibilty, as the JB owner. I told him that I would inform the owner of the club. He then wanted to know if it was "on free play, or not" I told him no, and he got out a dollar bill to make sure that it did, in fact accept dollars.? There was no license displayed, but I did have a printed note in the display area, saying that the JLO sticker was paid for, and pending--? I never saw, nor heard from him again--nor did I ever see that JB again. The owner passed away about two months later, and buy the time I could find the building owner, to let me in, the jukebox was "stolen".?Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:13 PM Ron Rich wrote: > Jay, > In regards to # 2, "Jukeboxes" are defined as mechanical reproduction phonographs, designed to play music, for a price. They can NOT be operated on "Free Play" , and still be considered a "Jukebox", and be eligible to be licensed, unless separate contracts are signed with ASCAP, BMI, and SECORE--therefore, in home use, they are, as you say, a "home" record or CD player, not a commercial jukebox. ( I think the JLO's toll free number is 1-800 995-JUKES, or 800-955-jukes--once again, my great, just not too long memory). What does that have to do with whether a CD is a factory-produced original? Can a local garage band burn a CD of original music and give it to a jukebox operator in order to promote the band? Is the operator prohibited from loading such a CD? Why or why not? Is there a URL referencing this law? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 22:07:30 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 11 22:08:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <130910.72497.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Karl, Beth, Some NSM's are programmed so that if a selection is made that is "not available", the 1st song on the disc will play---the selection can be "not available" for various reasons, such as it does not exist ( no such track number on that disc, the last time the computor "looked at the TOC"), or, that track has exceeded the "skip limit" set, or, it just failed to read that track, at this point in time. I was told by the NSM rep, that this was done to prevent what the RoweAmi's do---take your money, and play nothing till the limit is reached, at which time the display will say "NOT ALLOWED". Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/11/08, CCOS wrote: From: CCOS Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:14 PM Beth, No problem. You will find people on this list way smarter and more technical than me, so don't be impressed too soon....LOL. It's an easy check for you. Just play selection 1 on a cd, let the mechanism put the cd back when the song is over, then select another song and see what happens. if it continually plays the first song only, then you have a problem. if it then will play all selections on the cd, you have "taught" the computer the new cd's index. One problem you may encounter, which I failed to mention earlier, is that in rare cases, in commercial environments, for one reason or another, operators will have empty slots in the jukebox. The operator, or repetitive attempts, will "teach" the computer there is no cd in that slot and not allow you to play even the FIRST song. It will not allow you to select that cd at all. In those cases, you have no choice but to tell the computer, through programming, to go get that cd and check out the table of contents or "index" and to remember it. For now, just try that (play the first song, let it put it back, and then select another song on the same cd) and let us know what happens. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Williams" To: Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:47 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! Thank you for your quick response Karl - much appreciated :) "Will all of the tracks on the cd play after you play the first one?" Yes they will "If so, the computer is learning the index of the cd when you play the first track. " OK that makes sense :) "There is a program code to tell the computer to sample and learn the index of each cd but I can't remember offhand what it is and playing the first song on the cd will do the same thing." I am fairly new to all of this so I assuming ( probably wrongly! *lol*) that this is the 'initialization' ? If so I have tried to initailize the discs via the instructions in the manual but it doesn't seem to work :( "If not, you may be experiencing a problem with a CDM3 player discussed here somewhat (for those who remember, I checked and my dad's rebuilt player is a CDM4 and thus had no bearing on the subject like I had hoped). Someone here may know for sure if there is a fix for your NSM jukebox other than upgrading to a proplayer but that is the only fix I know of. If on the other hand, you have a CDM4 or CDM12/Proplayer already, it should play burned cd's so send it to Bruce Wentworth and have it rebuilt."I will check out the thread on the CDM3 player, though in all honesty my limits of'technical expertise' are already stretched to their very restrictive boundaries *lol*I was hoping this was a relatively 'easy fix' - I am grateful for any advice I can receivebest regardsBeth _________________________________________________________________ Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live. http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WLYIA_whichathlete_us_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Mon Aug 11 22:23:52 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Mon Aug 11 22:24:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! In-Reply-To: <130910.72497.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <130910.72497.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48A11E68.6050705@telus.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Karl, Beth, > Some NSM's are programmed so that if a selection is made that is "not available", the 1st song on the disc will play---the selection can be "not available" for various reasons, such as it does not exist ( no such track number on that disc, the last time the computor "looked at the TOC"), or, that track has exceeded the "skip limit" set, or, it just failed to read that track, at this point in time. I was told by the NSM rep, that this was done to prevent what the RoweAmi's do---take your money, and play nothing till the limit is reached, at which time the display will say "NOT ALLOWED". Ron Rich > > Wurlitzer CD machines do this a different way, if you make a selection for a number higher (say 25) than the total number of songs on the CD (say 18) the machine appears to subtract the total number of songs from the number you typed in, then plays the song that is left (25 - 18 = 07)...This was the result I got years ago when playing with the machines - haven't checked higher numbers (41, 66, 99, XX) so have no idea what happens then. NSM's method is nice enough as the hit song is usually #1, so if you select too high a number you get the hit song... John :-#)# > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, CCOS wrote: > > From: CCOS > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:14 PM > > Beth, > > No problem. You will find people on this list way smarter and more technical > than me, so don't be impressed too soon....LOL. > > It's an easy check for you. Just play selection 1 on a cd, let the > mechanism > put the cd back when the song is over, then select another song and see what > happens. if it continually plays the first song only, then you have a > problem. if it then will play all selections on the cd, you have > "taught" > the computer the new cd's index. > > One problem you may encounter, which I failed to mention earlier, is that in > rare cases, in commercial environments, for one reason or another, operators > will have empty slots in the jukebox. The operator, or repetitive attempts, > will "teach" the computer there is no cd in that slot and not allow > you to > play even the FIRST song. It will not allow you to select that cd at all. In > those cases, you have no choice but to tell the computer, through > programming, to go get that cd and check out the table of contents or > "index" and to remember it. > > For now, just try that (play the first song, let it put it back, and then > select another song on the same cd) and let us know what happens. > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706)507-2963 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth Williams" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:47 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! > > > > Thank you for your quick response Karl - much appreciated :) > > "Will all of the tracks on the cd play after you play the first one?" > > Yes they will > > "If so, the computer is learning the index of the cd when you play the > first track. " > > OK that makes sense :) > > "There is a program code to tell the computer to sample and learn the > index > of each cd but I can't remember offhand what it is and playing the first > song on the cd will do the same thing." > > I am fairly new to all of this so I assuming ( probably wrongly! *lol*) that > this is the > 'initialization' ? If so I have tried to initailize the discs via the > instructions in the > manual but it doesn't seem to work :( > > "If not, you may be experiencing a problem with a CDM3 player discussed > here > somewhat (for those who remember, I checked and my dad's rebuilt player is > a > CDM4 and thus had no bearing on the subject like I had hoped). Someone here > may know for sure if there is a fix for your NSM jukebox other than > upgrading to a proplayer but that is the only fix I know of. If on the > other hand, you have a CDM4 or CDM12/Proplayer already, it should play > burned cd's so send it to Bruce Wentworth and have it rebuilt."I will > check > out the thread on the CDM3 player, though in all honesty my limits > of'technical expertise' are already stretched to their very restrictive > > boundaries *lol*I was hoping this was a relatively 'easy fix' - I am > grateful for any advice I can receivebest regardsBeth > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live. > http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WLYIA_whichathlete_us_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From ccos at knology.net Tue Aug 12 05:00:43 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Tue Aug 12 05:01:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Jukebox License Office References: <316801.47557.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004b01c8fc73$0c76f3e0$6501a8c0@home31b34d4856> Ron, Yeah, they can get pretty picky if they want to. There are plenty of ways to get around em if your route partner is an attorney though....hehehehehe. One such point is "I don't keep them in the jukebox because of potential vandalism, which is one of the reason I have backup copies in the first place." Another is "100 original cd's in their protective cases takes up too much room in the jukebox." You can go back and forth on the subject but bottom line is usually that if they find 80 originals and 20 copies in a jukebox, they know you aren't a meticulous backup copier....hehehe. And they DO have final say, unless you want to fight em in court. Thank goodness they are a little less vigilant now that D/L jukeboxes are becoming the standard. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! > Karl, > I have heard that, but, I was told that if that's the case, the originals > must be inside the JB ?? I was also informed that one can not use "copied > artwork" in any instance, in a jukebox--I was warned by an ASCAP guy, when > he saw that I had copied the cover artwork for Pink Floyd's -Brick on the > Wall, CD. I had done so, only because it is a double CD, and there is no > artwork provided for the second CD. Once he saw the CD case, and the two > CD's in the phono, he asked me to display them both on the same page (he > let me use the copy artwork). Ron > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, CCOS wrote: > > From: CCOS > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! > To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" > > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 8:56 PM > > Ron, > > I have to differ with you on one point. It is in fact legal to play burned > cd's on any commercial jukebox or anywhere else. The reason is that to > allow > for damages that might occur due to mechanical failure, you are allowed to > use backup copies and keep the original safe and sound in your office, > warehouse, or home. Of course, this means if you have 35 commercial > juleboxes all over town using "backup" copies, you are required to > have 35 > originals of that cd on hand, ready to produce on request. > > Personally, I disagree with that policy (it's too vague to be called a > law) > > because the intent is to see that the writers, artists, producers, etc, > get > their royalties,which they already get by forcing you to either report > individual plays to individual artists.companies, etc, OR.....pay the > approved collective collector of said funds, namely BMI, a set fee yearly > regardless of plays a jukebox actually earns. In my eyes, they are forcing > you to pay royalties twice on the same music. Of course all of that is > somewhat moot now that internet jukeboxes handle it all. > > Point is, you can legall run copies of cd's in your jukeboxes, even though > many do it and few do it legally. > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706)507-2963 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! > > > Beth, > I have heard various "story's" of what is happenning here. I do > NOT know > which are true, false, or partly true or false--perhaps someone can clue > me > in also. > 1. "Commercial" CD Jukeboxes were not designed to play "burned > CD's". > 2. "Commercial" CD Jukeboxes were designed, NOT to play burned > CD's > ( It is NOT legal to play anything but an original, factory produced CD on > a > jukebox, in the USA) > 3. Some of the "software" (be it in the "controller" or > player), may be > un-able to handle the type CD you ae burning ( sometimes just try another > brand blank). > 4. The "eye' on your player may be dirty or weak. > 5. (from jukebox makers) We didn't design the player-- > 6. (from Phillips) we didn't design (take your choice)--the whole system, > the software, --that's an obsolete player, we found that and "fixed > it" in > the newer (softwear, or new version player). > 7. You probably have a poor power supply-- > I could probably go on--but it's time for dinner-- > Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Beth Williams wrote: > > From: Beth Williams > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 2:31 PM > > I recently purchased an NSM Wall Performer for home use. Everything works > great > with original (store bought) audios however I'm having a selection problem > with my own custom CD-R's :( > Seems that if I select the first track on the CD-R the rest will play just > fine > on that disc (i.e. disc 12- track 01). HOWEVER should I select disc 12 - > track > 05 ( or whatever) then the disc wont play at all - I get error code 61 > (disc > not > recognised) Seems it requires the first track on each CD-R to be selected > BEFORE > it will recognise any of the other tracks. I burnt these CD-R's myself (I > am > a collector of rare and obscure Northern Soul music and ripped a great > many > of > then from the original vinyl as most of them are not available in any > other > format) Now I'm at a complete loss what to do next. The CD-R's play > fine > (selection included) in a stand alone cd player but I obviously want them > to > be > able to play on my jukebox. Can anyone help??? > _________________________________________________________________ > Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never > before. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From ccos at knology.net Tue Aug 12 05:10:46 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Tue Aug 12 05:11:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! References: <130910.72497.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005c01c8fc74$737fa450$6501a8c0@home31b34d4856> Ron, That's why I usually do a full initialization when first placing a jukebox. I have usually changed out a bunch of cd's to configure the genre to the location's requests, and I'm not about to listen to all 100 cd's to make sure they all play. If one is screwed up, the initilization will recognize it as so and mark it as Not Allowed from the get go. Sometimes, however, one or two songs skip but the TOC reads fine. In those cases, I get calls right away and it never gets to 99 plays, and a Not Allowed. You can change the 99 plays to whatever you want but I never do. I am pretty particular about the condition of my players, cd's and computers, I have A&B warranty stickers on nearly every player and computer I run. I'm the one that gets a call from people at midnight.....hehehehe. Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S Lumpkin Rd Columbus, GA 31903 (706) 507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! > Karl, Beth, > Some NSM's are programmed so that if a selection is made that is "not > available", the 1st song on the disc will play---the selection can be "not > available" for various reasons, such as it does not exist ( no such track > number on that disc, the last time the computor "looked at the TOC"), or, > that track has exceeded the "skip limit" set, or, it just failed to read > that track, at this point in time. I was told by the NSM rep, that this > was done to prevent what the RoweAmi's do---take your money, and play > nothing till the limit is reached, at which time the display will say "NOT > ALLOWED". Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, CCOS wrote: > > From: CCOS > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:14 PM > > Beth, > > No problem. You will find people on this list way smarter and more > technical > than me, so don't be impressed too soon....LOL. > > It's an easy check for you. Just play selection 1 on a cd, let the > mechanism > put the cd back when the song is over, then select another song and see > what > happens. if it continually plays the first song only, then you have a > problem. if it then will play all selections on the cd, you have > "taught" > the computer the new cd's index. > > One problem you may encounter, which I failed to mention earlier, is that > in > rare cases, in commercial environments, for one reason or another, > operators > will have empty slots in the jukebox. The operator, or repetitive > attempts, > will "teach" the computer there is no cd in that slot and not allow > you to > play even the FIRST song. It will not allow you to select that cd at all. > In > those cases, you have no choice but to tell the computer, through > programming, to go get that cd and check out the table of contents or > "index" and to remember it. > > For now, just try that (play the first song, let it put it back, and then > select another song on the same cd) and let us know what happens. > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706)507-2963 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth Williams" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:47 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] NSM Wall Performer - CD-R's Selection-HELP! > > > > Thank you for your quick response Karl - much appreciated :) > > "Will all of the tracks on the cd play after you play the first one?" > > Yes they will > > "If so, the computer is learning the index of the cd when you play the > first track. " > > OK that makes sense :) > > "There is a program code to tell the computer to sample and learn the > index > of each cd but I can't remember offhand what it is and playing the first > song on the cd will do the same thing." > > I am fairly new to all of this so I assuming ( probably wrongly! *lol*) > that > this is the > 'initialization' ? If so I have tried to initailize the discs via the > instructions in the > manual but it doesn't seem to work :( > > "If not, you may be experiencing a problem with a CDM3 player discussed > here > somewhat (for those who remember, I checked and my dad's rebuilt player is > a > CDM4 and thus had no bearing on the subject like I had hoped). Someone > here > may know for sure if there is a fix for your NSM jukebox other than > upgrading to a proplayer but that is the only fix I know of. If on the > other hand, you have a CDM4 or CDM12/Proplayer already, it should play > burned cd's so send it to Bruce Wentworth and have it rebuilt."I will > check > out the thread on the CDM3 player, though in all honesty my limits > of'technical expertise' are already stretched to their very restrictive > > boundaries *lol*I was hoping this was a relatively 'easy fix' - I am > grateful for any advice I can receivebest regardsBeth > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live. > http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WLYIA_whichathlete_us_______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Aug 12 08:22:04 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Aug 12 05:23:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors References: <671176.21617.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004101c8fc8f$2d9017c0$0301a8c0@home1903> David, Have you got room for all of us at your Christmas Party? ...sounds (hehe) like fun! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > >> Would you believe that the amp in my '63 Rockola >> Rhapsody has never been rebuilt? A new cart has been >> installed and it has been sounding awesome. Anyone else have >> luck similar to this? > > My 1956 AMI G-200 finally went bad this Fourth of July. The > output sounded distorted, like it was "softly" clipping, and > one of the output tubes had a hot spot on its plate. After > 25 years or so of being continually powered up (because it > sits in my unheated workshop) it finally needs a rebuild - > and it needs to be done in time for the Christmas Party... > > Pictures here: > > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/ami-in-workshop.jpg > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/ami-on4th-2.jpg > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/xmas_jukebox_07-3.jpg > > Now, the M100-A (fingers crossed) has never been rebuilt, > either... > > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/seeburg-m100a-1.jpg > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/xmas_jukebox_07-1.jpg > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/xmas_jukebox_07-2.jpg > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Tue Aug 12 07:36:52 2008 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Tue Aug 12 07:38:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes In-Reply-To: <20056.1218509377@cafes.net> References: <20056.1218509377@cafes.net> Message-ID: At my sister's wedding my wife and I requested "Highway to Hell" by AC/DC as a joke (+ we love the song!). Later, when the marriage ended in divorce, my sister told me it was my fault because I had put a curse on them with this song! Ha ha. For a serious wedding song, how about "Down the Aisle of Love" by the Quintones (1958)? Mike -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of sonnygirl@cafes.net Sent: 2008, August, 11 10:50 PM To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wedding Music on Jukeboxes At my wedding, I had them play "Another One Bites The Dust" by Queen. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. 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From jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net Tue Aug 12 07:52:53 2008 From: jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net (The Jukebox Junkyard) Date: Tue Aug 12 07:54:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fugly: eye of the beholder References: <015d01c8fbbc$5ef2e820$020fa8c0@PAW> Message-ID: <00e501c8fc8b$1a1e34a0$020fa8c0@PAW> > Cool, but I like the speakers best... :) Hey Thomas being that you like the Seeburg DDS-1 speakers, are you interested in any I have several sets of them and would part with a set or two. Just let me know. Roy The Jukebox Junkyard p.o. box 338 Lizella, Ga. 31052 USA 678-833-5749 www.jukebox-junkyard.com 9--5 EST Mon--Fri From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 08:21:49 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 12 08:22:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors In-Reply-To: <004101c8fc8f$2d9017c0$0301a8c0@home1903> Message-ID: <861545.60214.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> David, Hey, where do you live??? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/12/08, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors To: david_breneman@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 8:22 AM David, Have you got room for all of us at your Christmas Party? ...sounds (hehe) like fun! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > >> Would you believe that the amp in my '63 Rockola >> Rhapsody has never been rebuilt? A new cart has been >> installed and it has been sounding awesome. Anyone else have >> luck similar to this? > > My 1956 AMI G-200 finally went bad this Fourth of July. The > output sounded distorted, like it was "softly" clipping, and > one of the output tubes had a hot spot on its plate. After > 25 years or so of being continually powered up (because it > sits in my unheated workshop) it finally needs a rebuild - > and it needs to be done in time for the Christmas Party... > > Pictures here: > > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/ami-in-workshop.jpg > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/ami-on4th-2.jpg > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/xmas_jukebox_07-3.jpg > > Now, the M100-A (fingers crossed) has never been rebuilt, > either... > > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/seeburg-m100a-1.jpg > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/xmas_jukebox_07-1.jpg > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/xmas_jukebox_07-2.jpg > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Tue Aug 12 10:31:47 2008 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Tue Aug 12 10:32:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors In-Reply-To: <861545.60214.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <004101c8fc8f$2d9017c0$0301a8c0@home1903> <861545.60214.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, are you sure you'd want to go to David's party? Notice all of his guests were wearing winter clothing inside the house? He must keep the heat turned off to save money for the jukes! :+) -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 2008, August, 12 11:22 AM To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors David, Hey, where do you live??? Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/12/08, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors To: david_breneman@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 8:22 AM David, Have you got room for all of us at your Christmas Party? ...sounds (hehe) like fun! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > >> Would you believe that the amp in my '63 Rockola >> Rhapsody has never been rebuilt? A new cart has been >> installed and it has been sounding awesome. Anyone else have >> luck similar to this? > > My 1956 AMI G-200 finally went bad this Fourth of July. The > output sounded distorted, like it was "softly" clipping, and > one of the output tubes had a hot spot on its plate. After > 25 years or so of being continually powered up (because it > sits in my unheated workshop) it finally needs a rebuild - > and it needs to be done in time for the Christmas Party... > > Pictures here: > > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/ami-in-workshop.jpg > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/ami-on4th-2.jpg > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/xmas_jukebox_07-3.jpg > > Now, the M100-A (fingers crossed) has never been rebuilt, > either... > > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/seeburg-m100a-1.jpg > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/xmas_jukebox_07-1.jpg > http://tildebang.com/jukebox/images/xmas_jukebox_07-2.jpg > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. 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From jay at west.net Tue Aug 12 10:44:22 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Aug 12 10:44:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors In-Reply-To: References: <004101c8fc8f$2d9017c0$0301a8c0@home1903> <861545.60214.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48A1CBF6.8070303@west.net> Dicecco, Michael wrote: > Ron, are you sure you'd want to go to David's party? Notice all of his > guests were wearing winter clothing inside the house? He must keep the > heat turned off to save money for the jukes! By keeping the temperature down he gets more life out of the capacitors. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 10:48:43 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Aug 12 10:49:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors In-Reply-To: <861545.60214.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <425566.60058.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Ron Rich wrote: > David, > Hey, where do you live??? > Ron Rich Ron and Jackie - Rosedale, Washington, between Tacoma and Bremerton. If you're in the area, this year's party is December 20th (that goes for any contributors here). The party mostly takes place outside (where the AMI G-200 is) because when you have two jukeboxes, two pinball machines and a baby grand piano in a 900 square foot house, there isn't much room for people - but we do have a big bonfire. http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Rosedale&state=WA&address=8520+86th+Ave+NW From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 10:51:43 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue Aug 12 10:52:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <253997.31144.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Dicecco, Michael wrote: > Ron, are you sure you'd want to go to David's party? > Notice all of his > guests were wearing winter clothing inside the house? He > must keep the heat turned off to save money for the jukes! I tell 'em "Furnace or keg - take your pick!" Seriously, the party is mainly outdoors, like I said in the last post. People circulate inside to hear 78 music; it's 45 music outdoors... :-) From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Aug 12 13:58:42 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Aug 12 11:00:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors References: <004101c8fc8f$2d9017c0$0301a8c0@home1903> <861545.60214.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <48A1CBF6.8070303@west.net> Message-ID: <009e01c8fcbe$3446a550$0301a8c0@home1903> You guys are so funny, I was thinking everyone at David's Party looked cold but were keeping their core warmed up with a brew or two! Good point about the capacitors, lol I think those must have been the "overflow" guests. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors > Dicecco, Michael wrote: >> Ron, are you sure you'd want to go to David's party? Notice all of his >> guests were wearing winter clothing inside the house? He must keep the >> heat turned off to save money for the jukes! > > By keeping the temperature down he gets more life out of the capacitors. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 11:18:17 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 12 11:19:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list]Party-was- 45-year-old capacitors In-Reply-To: <48A1CBF6.8070303@west.net> Message-ID: <975483.7056.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jay, Not true--I don't think, as I think he wrote that they are always powered up---Oh, maybe that's why he cant afford to heat the area---or is he using the JB as a heater? Ron --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 10:44 AM Dicecco, Michael wrote: > Ron, are you sure you'd want to go to David's party? Notice all of his > guests were wearing winter clothing inside the house? He must keep the > heat turned off to save money for the jukes! By keeping the temperature down he gets more life out of the capacitors. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dguarino1 at suddenlink.net Tue Aug 12 15:17:56 2008 From: dguarino1 at suddenlink.net (dguarino1) Date: Tue Aug 12 15:19:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors References: <8CACA39E65AB76C-107C-1B5F@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003f01c8fcc9$45f6fe20$df1f8b45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> I have a Wurlitzer 2610 that I picked up a while back. I got a great deal on it. "It was working when last played". Uh huh. Upon closer examination of the amplifier I found several blown and I mean blown, melted burned capacitors. Then I noticed the black tarry goo that had dripped from a Transformer. Also fried. Good thing it had a 30 amp fuse installed to protect it all. Good thing I never powered it up with out checking. Power cord was so brittle it literally crumbled in my hands. So now I have had to buy another donor amplifier to cannibalize a transformer from. So I guess this is a worst case scenario. Over fused and not cared for. Why can't anybody ever under fuse............ So I'm guessing here, the capacitor (s) went and took out the transformer and the fuse watched happily as it all went up in smoke. And it WAS WORKING the last time it played, just kinda stopped short... Good luck with yours and I hope it never happens to you or anybody else's. David G ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors > > Hey, if it ain't broke... > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Rich > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 7:45 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors > > > > > > > > > > > Yap, but ain't that sorta like driving your car for 50+ years without changing > the oil---? Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > > From: jhayes2613@aol.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 4:31 PM > > Would you believe that the amp in my '63 Rockola Rhapsody has never been > rebuilt? A new cart has been installed and it has been sounding awesome. Anyone > else have luck similar to this? I just find it amazing. Granted, the machine has > been well taken care of since it was new but still... > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 16:10:15 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 12 16:11:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors In-Reply-To: <003f01c8fcc9$45f6fe20$df1f8b45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Message-ID: <708346.61011.qm@web55810.mail.re3.yahoo.com> David, What ? He was not lying ! THE, last time played, it WAS, working (otherwise, it would not have played !). I can't remember how many 8 amp fuses I have found shoved into Seeburg "transitor amps".? It is supposed to be a POINT 8 amp ( 8/10 =4/5ths?) fuse--but they never see the "point". Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/12/08, dguarino1 wrote: From: dguarino1 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 3:17 PM I have a Wurlitzer 2610 that I picked up a while back. I got a great deal on it. "It was working when last played". Uh huh. Upon closer examination of the amplifier I found several blown and I mean blown, melted burned capacitors. Then I noticed the black tarry goo that had dripped from a Transformer. Also fried. Good thing it had a 30 amp fuse installed to protect it all. Good thing I never powered it up with out checking. Power cord was so brittle it literally crumbled in my hands. So now I have had to buy another donor amplifier to cannibalize a transformer from. So I guess this is a worst case scenario. Over fused and not cared for. Why can't anybody ever under fuse............ So I'm guessing here, the capacitor (s) went and took out the transformer and the fuse watched happily as it all went up in smoke. And it WAS WORKING the last time it played, just kinda stopped short... Good luck with yours and I hope it never happens to you or anybody else's. David G ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors > > Hey, if it ain't broke... > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Rich > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 7:45 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors > > > > > > > > > > > Yap, but ain't that sorta like driving your car for 50+ years without changing > the oil---? Ron Rich > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, jhayes2613@aol.com wrote: > > From: jhayes2613@aol.com > Subject: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 4:31 PM > > Would you believe that the amp in my '63 Rockola Rhapsody has never been > rebuilt? A new cart has been installed and it has been sounding awesome. Anyone > else have luck similar to this? I just find it amazing. Granted, the machine has > been well taken care of since it was new but still... > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 17:30:39 2008 From: jukejohn2000 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Tue Aug 12 17:31:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] The JLO and burnt CD's Message-ID: <288802.3844.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This discussion has been around awhile. Ron is correct (as usual) about the JLO telling operators that copies are not allowed, no matter what?you might think. Now as far as the machine playing it, it could be as simple as mapping the tracks(Rowe?calls it initilizing) A Rowe CD juke reads the TOC, table of contents,each time it plays a disc. If your burnt disc doesn't have that, it wont play it.(because it can't inilitize it) Philips?has changed its software over the years. Some boxes ask you to play the first track of each disc to inilitize it. When the CDM-3 was the first used in Rowe jukes, and it would play a disc?with a dime sized hole in it, but again only?if it was?mapped properly. People have found lately that copy software, the speed of copy, and the right blank is important. ? John the Jukebox Man From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Aug 12 21:15:16 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Aug 12 18:16:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] David's Party Invitation References: <425566.60058.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d001c8fcfb$3154a1c0$0301a8c0@home1903> Hi David, Washington is very far away for me, but you never know where life will take you, thanks for the invite! I think December in Washington State calls for a HUGE bonfire. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 45-year-old capacitors > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Ron Rich wrote: > >> David, >> Hey, where do you live??? >> Ron Rich > > Ron and Jackie - > > Rosedale, Washington, between Tacoma and Bremerton. If you're in > the area, this year's party is December 20th (that goes for any > contributors here). The party mostly takes place outside (where > the AMI G-200 is) because when you have two jukeboxes, two pinball > machines and a baby grand piano in a 900 square foot house, there > isn't much room for people - but we do have a big bonfire. > > http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Rosedale&state=WA&address=8520+86th+Ave+NW > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Thu Aug 14 19:57:41 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 14 20:04:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My Seeburg HSC1 played record 3 times until I hit reject today Message-ID: After not playing it for a couple of weeks I fired up my HSC1 this morning while getting ready for work.I selected 1 side of a selection. In case your curious it was no. 88 "Johnny Horton's Greatest Hits" on the original six eyes stereo Columbia label.I heard it replay that same side as I was drying off from my shower. Then while eating breakfast it went for no. 3 but I hit reject after the music started and then it scanned and stopped. Is this a lubrication problem maybe?I'm pretty sure I had the safety plunger moving freely back then.Does it sound like it was sticking ?It has never repeated a side before not since day 1 that I owned it. It was oiled when I first got it in January but but I haven't oiled it since.It hasn't been played that much either. This juke has not had the tearddown,mech washing and total relube that my other Seeburgs have had since the mech looked so clean compared to the mech in all the Seeburg commercial jukeboxes I have owned.I ran to the juke when side 2 ended to see if I could hear it scan and I did not hear it scan before it went in for the replay but when I hit reject it put the record away and scanned perfectly fine. Also it used to set down a few seconds into the music on side 2 only but now it's doing it on both sides. J.C. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 08:23:30 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Aug 15 08:24:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My Seeburg HSC1 played record 3 times until I hit reject today In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <353098.53337.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> JC, If both sides of the record were programmmed to play, I would suspect that the "shift" contact failed to "make" ( I can't remember which side is considered "left" and which side is considered "right" on that mech). If both sides were not selected, I would suspect that the segment gear was "gummy".??Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: [Jukebox-list] My Seeburg HSC1 played record 3 times until I hit reject today To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 7:57 PM After not playing it for a couple of weeks I fired up my HSC1 this morning while getting ready for work.I selected 1 side of a selection. In case your curious it was no. 88 "Johnny Horton's Greatest Hits" on the original six eyes stereo Columbia label.I heard it replay that same side as I was drying off from my shower. Then while eating breakfast it went for no. 3 but I hit reject after the music started and then it scanned and stopped. Is this a lubrication problem maybe?I'm pretty sure I had the safety plunger moving freely back then.Does it sound like it was sticking ?It has never repeated a side before not since day 1 that I owned it. It was oiled when I first got it in January but but I haven't oiled it since.It hasn't been played that much either. This juke has not had the tearddown,mech washing and total relube that my other Seeburgs have had since the mech looked so clean compared to the mech in all the Seeburg commercial jukeboxes I have owned.I ran to the juke when side 2 ended to see if I could hear it scan and I did not hear it scan before it went in for the replay but when I hit reject it put the record away and scanned perfectly fine. Also it used to set down a few seconds into the music on side 2 only but now it's doing it on both sides. J.C. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Fri Aug 15 19:42:15 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Fri Aug 15 19:49:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My Seeburg HSC1 played record 3 times until I hit reject t... Message-ID: Only 1 side was selected so I'll check that segment gear for gummy lube and oil it.I've seen some quite gummy lube on regular jukeboxes there.Maybe quite a few have had that Aero lubriplate you dislike applied there.If that's on this one I'll clean it off and put some graphite grease there. Not sure If I oiled it back in January.I concentrated on the clutch,safety plunger and the motors especially since I was warned they were made of unobtanium. Any ideas why it would only set down into the music a few seconds on side 2 for but not side 1 and now all of a sudden it's doing the same on both sides? I haven't touched the tonearm adjustments since it set down perfect on side 1 until now. Also 1 day a month ago it scared the crap out of me as it stopped during playing a record.It slowed down a couple of times at first and then just stopped a few seconds later with that whirrrrrrrrrrr sound you get when you stop a turntable with the needle still on the record and the amplifier still on.I rejected it and the same record has played fine since. But when it stopped like that I thought the moment of doom had arrived and the turntable motor had died. I filled those oil cups again right away.Dirty contact somewhere maybe? Maybe this one is begging for the teardown and cleaning.Even super clean ones suffer from old lube getting gummy I guess.Then I'll only be able to say I got away with not doing it on my 222.It's mech is quite dirty and smells like stale beer but keeps chugging along with a little oil added once a year.it's so reliable I loathe to touch it.The amp has been rebuilt but not the selection receiver(except the pulse amp since that's why it quit and the old owners sold it) so I may be playing with a ticking time bomb there since the old capacitor subject was just discussed on the list....lol. Thanks J.C. In a message dated 8/15/2008 11:25:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: >JC, >If both sides of the record were programmmed to play, I would suspect that the "shift" contact >failed to "make" ( I can't remember which side is considered "left" and which side is considered >"right" on that mech). If both sides were not selected, I would suspect that the segment gear was >"gummy". Ron Rich **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 20:29:26 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Aug 15 20:30:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My Seeburg HSC1 played record 3 times until I hit reject t... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <470781.38410.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Do you have a code A or B mech ?? As far as the "set down", that's usualy a sign that the tone arm wires have become stiff--especially since no one's "re-adjusted" the balance--gotta replace em, if that's the case-- On the 222, TSU--change the two "15x450" and the "10x450" caps. As far as I know, that's? all that will cause "damage" if they blow-- They are all POS. ground. Ron --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My Seeburg HSC1 played record 3 times until I hit reject t... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 7:42 PM Only 1 side was selected so I'll check that segment gear for gummy lube and oil it.I've seen some quite gummy lube on regular jukeboxes there.Maybe quite a few have had that Aero lubriplate you dislike applied there.If that's on this one I'll clean it off and put some graphite grease there. Not sure If I oiled it back in January.I concentrated on the clutch,safety plunger and the motors especially since I was warned they were made of unobtanium. Any ideas why it would only set down into the music a few seconds on side 2 for but not side 1 and now all of a sudden it's doing the same on both sides? I haven't touched the tonearm adjustments since it set down perfect on side 1 until now. Also 1 day a month ago it scared the crap out of me as it stopped during playing a record.It slowed down a couple of times at first and then just stopped a few seconds later with that whirrrrrrrrrrr sound you get when you stop a turntable with the needle still on the record and the amplifier still on.I rejected it and the same record has played fine since. But when it stopped like that I thought the moment of doom had arrived and the turntable motor had died. I filled those oil cups again right away.Dirty contact somewhere maybe? Maybe this one is begging for the teardown and cleaning.Even super clean ones suffer from old lube getting gummy I guess.Then I'll only be able to say I got away with not doing it on my 222.It's mech is quite dirty and smells like stale beer but keeps chugging along with a little oil added once a year.it's so reliable I loathe to touch it.The amp has been rebuilt but not the selection receiver(except the pulse amp since that's why it quit and the old owners sold it) so I may be playing with a ticking time bomb there since the old capacitor subject was just discussed on the list....lol. Thanks J.C. In a message dated 8/15/2008 11:25:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: >JC, >If both sides of the record were programmmed to play, I would suspect that the "shift" contact >failed to "make" ( I can't remember which side is considered "left" and which side is considered >"right" on that mech). If both sides were not selected, I would suspect that the segment gear was >"gummy". Ron Rich **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Fri Aug 15 20:59:53 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Fri Aug 15 21:05:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My Seeburg HSC1 played record 3 times until I hit reject t... Message-ID: It's a code B. Sounds like fun...lol. I already went through replacing tonearm wires in a SS 160.Those sockets are a pain with those little tiny contacts and the tiny wires break off if you look at em' wrong...lol but if it's gotta be done I guess I'll have to so it. btw .Would you add any additional fuses to the old TSUs to prevent future transformer damage?I think I've read somewhere about that.Also fusing on an older one such as the WSR7L6?Reason I ask is because I have read about the transformers going up in smoke and also I have A WSR7L6 I obtained from ebay about a year ago because it's much cleaner than the one in my R but I'll have to do the additional work of a transformer swap to do that as one is definitely burnt on the ebay one.It stinks pretty bad...lol. Thanks J.C. In a message dated 8/15/2008 11:30:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: Do you have a code A or B mech ?? As far as the "set down", that's usualy a sign that the tone arm wires have become stiff--especially since no one's "re-adjusted" the balance--gotta replace em, if that's the case-- On the 222, TSU--change the two "15x450" and the "10x450" caps. As far as I know, that's all that will cause "damage" if they blow-- They are all POS. ground. Ron **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From etreble7 at verizon.net Sat Aug 16 08:04:00 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Sat Aug 16 08:05:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A nice little Magnavox, JC style! References: Message-ID: <007001c8ffb1$51025220$0301a8c0@home1903> Totally off subject, however seems we are always chatting about a "good find" getting harder and harder to come by with Ebay and Craigslist........however, a couple nights ago I was at a Goodwill Midnight Sale (started at 8pm???) anyway, on my way out with my 6 Albums at .25 ea, I spotted a small Magnavox Console. Not knowing if it worked, they priced it at $25 and take 50% off and what a deal! anyway, got it home and it's Solid State, I think one of the early ones, maybe the middle 60's. I can't find a Model #, the sticker is in bad shape. All cleaned up, it works perfectly and has a huge sound for such a little thing. I need a new needle for sure, but I thought JC might appreciate this nice little stereo ...bought for a song. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] My Seeburg HSC1 played record 3 times until I hitreject today > > After not playing it for a couple of weeks I fired up my HSC1 this > morning > while getting ready for work.I selected 1 side of a selection. > In case your curious it was no. 88 "Johnny Horton's Greatest Hits" on the > original six eyes stereo Columbia label.I heard it replay that same side > as I > was drying off from my shower. Then while eating breakfast it went for no. > 3 > but I hit reject after the music started and then it scanned and > stopped. > > > Is this a lubrication problem maybe?I'm pretty sure I had the safety > plunger moving freely back then.Does it sound like it was sticking ?It > has never > repeated a side before not since day 1 that I owned it. It was oiled when > I > first got it in January but but I haven't oiled it since.It hasn't been > played > that much either. This juke has not had the tearddown,mech washing and > total relube that my other Seeburgs have had since the mech looked so > clean > compared to the mech in all the Seeburg commercial jukeboxes I have > owned.I ran > to the juke when side 2 ended to see if I could hear it scan and I did > not > hear it scan before it went in for the replay but when I hit reject it > put the > record away and scanned perfectly fine. > > Also it used to set down a few seconds into the music on side 2 only but > now > it's doing it on both sides. > > J.C. > > > > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 09:17:11 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 16 09:18:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] My Seeburg HSC1 played record 3 times until I hit reject t... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <554901.15753.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> JC, Contact me off list---? ronnnrich@yahoo.com Ron Rich --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Jjmscf@aol.com wrote: From: Jjmscf@aol.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] My Seeburg HSC1 played record 3 times until I hit reject t... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: Jjmscf@aol.com Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:59 PM It's a code B. Sounds like fun...lol. I already went through replacing tonearm wires in a SS 160.Those sockets are a pain with those little tiny contacts and the tiny wires break off if you look at em' wrong...lol but if it's gotta be done I guess I'll have to so it. btw .Would you add any additional fuses to the old TSUs to prevent future transformer damage?I think I've read somewhere about that.Also fusing on an older one such as the WSR7L6?Reason I ask is because I have read about the transformers going up in smoke and also I have A WSR7L6 I obtained from ebay about a year ago because it's much cleaner than the one in my R but I'll have to do the additional work of a transformer swap to do that as one is definitely burnt on the ebay one.It stinks pretty bad...lol. Thanks J.C. In a message dated 8/15/2008 11:30:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ronnnrich@yahoo.com writes: Do you have a code A or B mech ?? As far as the "set down", that's usualy a sign that the tone arm wires have become stiff--especially since no one's "re-adjusted" the balance--gotta replace em, if that's the case-- On the 222, TSU--change the two "15x450" and the "10x450" caps. As far as I know, that's all that will cause "damage" if they blow-- They are all POS. ground. Ron **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From flashbk13 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 16 13:16:05 2008 From: flashbk13 at hotmail.com (Rick Force) Date: Sat Aug 16 13:17:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A nice little Magnavox, JC style! In-Reply-To: <007001c8ffb1$51025220$0301a8c0@home1903> Message-ID: good find Jackie :) now back on topic :) I got my Rockola 1464 wall mount (yeah right, like todays modern walls will hold that 211 pounder up!) back from the shop and it looks and sounds great. I didn't expect soooo much sound from those 2 small speakers. Jensen and Rockola did a great job for such a small juke (relatively speaking...small!). I would like to post a video of it playing on youtube have no idea how. I can upload pix, but have neaver uploaded videos. Rick. >From: "etreble7" >Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list >To: "Jukebox mailing list" >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] A nice little Magnavox, JC style! >Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:04:00 -0700 > >Totally off subject, however seems we are always chatting about a "good >find" getting harder and harder to come by with Ebay and >Craigslist........however, a couple nights ago I was at a Goodwill Midnight >Sale (started at 8pm???) anyway, on my way out with my 6 Albums at .25 ea, >I spotted a small Magnavox Console. Not knowing if it worked, they priced >it at $25 and take 50% off and what a deal! > >anyway, got it home and it's Solid State, I think one of the early ones, >maybe the middle 60's. I can't find a Model #, the sticker is in bad >shape. All cleaned up, it works perfectly and has a huge sound for such a >little thing. I need a new needle for sure, but I thought JC might >appreciate this nice little stereo ...bought for a song. >Jackie From paul.miller at pepsi.com Tue Aug 12 09:29:36 2008 From: paul.miller at pepsi.com (Miller, Paul {PCNA}) Date: Sat Aug 16 14:55:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips Message-ID: <4A4E580501F1AA44BD31767C449B798902421763@PEPWMV00015.corp.pep.pvt> I have 82 45's that I need title strips for. I have spoken to a few folks that can make them up for $1.25 a piece. Can you beat that price? Are they on card stock- let me know your thoughts. From jay at west.net Sat Aug 16 15:13:03 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Aug 16 15:14:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips In-Reply-To: <4A4E580501F1AA44BD31767C449B798902421763@PEPWMV00015.corp.pep.pvt> References: <4A4E580501F1AA44BD31767C449B798902421763@PEPWMV00015.corp.pep.pvt> Message-ID: <48A750EF.2030302@west.net> Miller, Paul {PCNA} wrote: > I have 82 45's that I need title strips for. > > I have spoken to a few folks that can make them up for $1.25 a piece. > > Can you beat that price? Are they on card stock- let me know your > thoughts. A more scalable and probably less expensive solution would be to buy title strip software and blank strips. This way you can produce strips as needed. A variety of title strip designs are available on 8 1/2 x 11 card stock, 20 strips per page perforated. I use a program called Jukebox by Low Profile Software, but they seem to be gone now. Always Jukin and Jukebox Collector magazines sell similar programs as well as the blank strips. The software is about $49, and any laser or inkjet printer can be used. A member of this list has a Word template for title strips on his website for free download. I don't have the URL but perhaps someone will post it. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ccos at knology.net Sat Aug 16 15:24:09 2008 From: ccos at knology.net (CCOS) Date: Sat Aug 16 15:25:06 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips In-Reply-To: <48A750EF.2030302@west.net> References: <4A4E580501F1AA44BD31767C449B798902421763@PEPWMV00015.corp.pep.pvt> <48A750EF.2030302@west.net> Message-ID: <04C4D40AE6404727B3113D961223362B@CCOSPC> http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/product/JukeBox Karl Columbus Coin-Op Shop 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. Columbus, GA 31903 (706)507-2963 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > Miller, Paul {PCNA} wrote: >> I have 82 45's that I need title strips for. >> >> I have spoken to a few folks that can make them up for $1.25 a piece. >> >> Can you beat that price? Are they on card stock- let me know your >> thoughts. > > A more scalable and probably less expensive solution would be to buy > title strip software and blank strips. This way you can produce strips > as needed. > > A variety of title strip designs are available on 8 1/2 x 11 card stock, > 20 strips per page perforated. I use a program called Jukebox by Low > Profile Software, but they seem to be gone now. Always Jukin and > Jukebox Collector magazines sell similar programs as well as the blank > strips. The software is about $49, and any laser or inkjet printer can > be used. > > A member of this list has a Word template for title strips on his > website for free download. I don't have the URL but perhaps someone > will post it. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From Jjmscf at aol.com Sat Aug 16 17:20:15 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 16 17:27:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] A nice little Magnavox, JC style! Message-ID: Can't wait to see pictures.,Jackie. I love jukeboxes but I got a soft spot for those old pre 1970 console stereos(when they cheaped out on those console stereos) too. Those Magnavoxes from the late 50s through the mid 60s or so have some great sound and the Collaro changer is neat.It's also more gentle on the records compared to any record changer made by BSR which was on practically everybody's stereos from the 70s probably because of cost and BSR was made cheap.They even went to plastic platters and later to a plastic baseplate. Goodwill was good to me about a month back.At the Dover Goodwill there were about 500 or so 45s .I went through them and had to use a milkcrate that some records were in to get all my 45s up to the register. I picked out 195 of them.At 50 cents a piece I didn't have quite enough cash on me so I begrudgingly used my credit card...lol.I wasn't about to put 1 single record back. They were just too clean and in nice shape.I think whoever owned them must have used them in a jukebox as no way all those sleeveless 45s would survive that good in an average person's collection. About a third had sleeves the rest didn't.And if they were in a jukebox it must have been a Seeburg or maybe a Wurlitzer.No swirl marks like you see on Rowe or Rockola jukebox 45s.Most were 70s 45s but a lot of titles you don't see very often like Billy Swan's "I Can Help" and even Ray Stevens' "The Streak".I accidentally broke my copy I had way back when so I was happy to find it. "Don't Look Ethyl !"..rotfl when I hear that from my jukebox speakers. J.C. In a message dated 8/16/2008 11:05:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: Totally off subject, however seems we are always chatting about a "good find" getting harder and harder to come by with Ebay and Craigslist........however, a couple nights ago I was at a Goodwill Midnight Sale (started at 8pm???) anyway, on my way out with my 6 Albums at .25 ea, I spotted a small Magnavox Console. Not knowing if it worked, they priced it at $25 and take 50% off and what a deal! anyway, got it home and it's Solid State, I think one of the early ones, maybe the middle 60's. I can't find a Model #, the sticker is in bad shape. All cleaned up, it works perfectly and has a huge sound for such a little thing. I need a new needle for sure, but I thought JC might appreciate this nice little stereo ...bought for a song. Jackie **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From flecklaw at mac.com Sat Aug 16 18:51:18 2008 From: flecklaw at mac.com (Ken Fleck) Date: Sat Aug 16 18:51:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips In-Reply-To: <04C4D40AE6404727B3113D961223362B@CCOSPC> References: <4A4E580501F1AA44BD31767C449B798902421763@PEPWMV00015.corp.pep.pvt> <48A750EF.2030302@west.net> <04C4D40AE6404727B3113D961223362B@CCOSPC> Message-ID: <325D1E2D-2AB1-4227-8EE6-97F0B7315E63@mac.com> Hi: Get free title strips from here: http://www.pinballrebel.com/archive/ other/title.htm I use them and they are great! Ken On Aug 16, 2008, at 5:24 PM, CCOS wrote: > http://www.lowprofilesoftware.com/product/JukeBox > > Karl > Columbus Coin-Op Shop > 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd. > Columbus, GA 31903 > (706)507-2963 > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > > >> Miller, Paul {PCNA} wrote: >>> I have 82 45's that I need title strips for. >>> I have spoken to a few folks that can make them up for $1.25 a >>> piece. >>> Can you beat that price? Are they on card stock- let me know your >>> thoughts. >> A more scalable and probably less expensive solution would be to >> buy title strip software and blank strips. This way you can >> produce strips as needed. >> A variety of title strip designs are available on 8 1/2 x 11 card >> stock, 20 strips per page perforated. I use a program called >> Jukebox by Low Profile Software, but they seem to be gone now. >> Always Jukin and Jukebox Collector magazines sell similar programs >> as well as the blank strips. The software is about $49, and any >> laser or inkjet printer can be used. >> A member of this list has a Word template for title strips on his >> website for free download. I don't have the URL but perhaps >> someone will post it. >> -- >> Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net >> Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ >> Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 17 01:33:27 2008 From: chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk (Chris K. Tanner) Date: Sun Aug 17 01:34:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips References: <4A4E580501F1AA44BD31767C449B798902421763@PEPWMV00015.corp.pep.pvt> Message-ID: <031201c90043$ef481fe0$ab01a8c0@acerc2d0f03b5f> http://www.cdadapter.com/tstrips.htm The above web site may be of use to you. Regards Chris T UK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miller, Paul {PCNA}" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:29 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips I have 82 45's that I need title strips for. I have spoken to a few folks that can make them up for $1.25 a piece. Can you beat that price? Are they on card stock- let me know your thoughts. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1614 - Release Date: 8/15/2008 5:29 PM From lralkie at shaw.ca Sun Aug 17 11:23:36 2008 From: lralkie at shaw.ca (Len Ralkie) Date: Sun Aug 17 11:24:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips References: <4A4E580501F1AA44BD31767C449B798902421763@PEPWMV00015.corp.pep.pvt> <48A750EF.2030302@west.net> Message-ID: <000901c90096$5d9ffbf0$6500a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Have you checked out the free title strip program at www.pinballrebel.com? Thats the one I use. If the "www" doesn't work Google or Yahoo pinball rebel and it will come up. Click on free title strip printer and your in business. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > Miller, Paul {PCNA} wrote: >> I have 82 45's that I need title strips for. >> >> I have spoken to a few folks that can make them up for $1.25 a piece. >> >> Can you beat that price? Are they on card stock- let me know your >> thoughts. > > A more scalable and probably less expensive solution would be to buy title > strip software and blank strips. This way you can produce strips as > needed. > > A variety of title strip designs are available on 8 1/2 x 11 card stock, > 20 strips per page perforated. I use a program called Jukebox by Low > Profile Software, but they seem to be gone now. Always Jukin and Jukebox > Collector magazines sell similar programs as well as the blank strips. > The software is about $49, and any laser or inkjet printer can be used. > > A member of this list has a Word template for title strips on his website > for free download. I don't have the URL but perhaps someone will post it. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 12:51:28 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Aug 17 12:52:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips In-Reply-To: <325D1E2D-2AB1-4227-8EE6-97F0B7315E63@mac.com> Message-ID: <169354.33149.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 8/16/08, Ken Fleck wrote: > Get free title strips from here: > http://www.pinballrebel.com/archive/ > other/title.htm I use them and they are great! They're only free if you already have the printer and the paper, aren't they? :-) From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Sun Aug 17 12:55:07 2008 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Sun Aug 17 12:56:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl is back / youngsters Message-ID: <01e301c900a3$26087ed0$4201a8c0@JUKEBUS> Sorry to return to this thread, but I wanted to report my observations exhibiting jukeboxes at a show here in the UK this weekend. The show was actually a horticulture (flower) show, but it has expanded to include all sorts of other things. Anyway, I was very impressed with the number of teenagers that came on the stand (including a whole troop of scouts and 2 "hoodies" on bikes) - they described the jukeboxes as "cool" and were searching through them for Elvis, The Beatles, Buddy Holly etc.! The younger kids were a not quite so knowledgeable, but after a long explanation of how the machine worked and what a record was, one little girl told me it was silly that CD's had replaced records!! This was all encouraging stuff - perhaps our interest will survive into the next generation! Adrian. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 13:44:40 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Aug 17 13:45:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips In-Reply-To: <22565573.1219005118324.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <950939.56600.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 8/17/08, Ed Inman wrote: > I miss the days of offset printed Sterling Title Strips and > Star Title Strips. Sterling outlasted Star by a few > years--into the early 90s I think. The last time I bought title strips, maybe 10 years ago (I bought a lot) they were Star brand. The paper they were printed on looked fine from the front, but if lit from behind, they looked like they were made out of grocery bags. They were also printed magenta, not traditional red. > What were the color codes? The overwhelming majority of title strips I've ever seen were red. Are you sure you're not confusing this with RCA Victor's abortive colored-vinyl 45s? >From a brochure: Sparkling identifying colors!--Record classification is simplified because a different color is used on the entire record... not just on the label to denote each classification. This helps you to determine the type of record at a mere glance. Popular - Black Classical - Red Popular Classical - Midnight Blue Children's - Yellow Country and Western - Green Blues and Rhythm - Cerise International - Sky blue From jay at west.net Sun Aug 17 13:47:33 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Aug 17 13:48:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips In-Reply-To: <169354.33149.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <169354.33149.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48A88E65.3000204@west.net> David Breneman wrote: > --- On Sat, 8/16/08, Ken Fleck wrote: > >> Get free title strips from here: >> http://www.pinballrebel.com/archive/ >> other/title.htm I use them and they are great! > > They're only free if you already have the printer and the paper, > aren't they? :-) True, but vs. $1.25 per strip taking a thumb drive with the PDFs to Kinko's will get them done for a lot less. Commercial copy centers are going to be somewhere under $1 per color page. I just looked at that program for the first time, it's way cool and GPL (meaning free to use and modify, with source available). I really prefer the pre-printed perforated strips sold by Always Jukin' and others. I'm seriously thinking of modifying that script to print on those. It should be relatively easy to tweak it to delete the background and allow for user-adjusted margins to center the printer. This way the added cost of pre-printed strips offsets the hassle of cutting them out and the need for a color printer. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 17:02:21 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 17 17:03:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Fw: OFFLIST: RE: Original title strips Message-ID: <817000.25063.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 8/17/08, Ron Rich wrote: > Hi David, and all, > For some reason Ken's site won't allow me > access--Anyway, If anyone needs BLANK, red on (the correct ) > white strips, a buddy and I had them made on the correct > card stock, and with the correct perforations, in the > "5x5" pattern. These are done to the Seeburg > specs--$100%, and they tear nicely, every time. If anyone > is interested, contact me at ronnnrich@yahoo.com . They > are $10.00 per 200, plus postage. Ron Rich Hi, Ron - I think your reply may have only gone to me. But, since I have it, I have a couple questions. ----- DaveSent to the list--again, Ron Rich From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 17:10:28 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 17 17:11:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips In-Reply-To: <48A88E65.3000204@west.net> Message-ID: <807627.7863.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jay, I have been using my old Mac to print titles on the pre-printed strips for at least 15 years (ya--the SAME Mac)--Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/17/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 1:47 PM David Breneman wrote: > --- On Sat, 8/16/08, Ken Fleck wrote: > >> Get free title strips from here: >> http://www.pinballrebel.com/archive/ >> other/title.htm I use them and they are great! > > They're only free if you already have the printer and the paper, > aren't they? :-) True, but vs. $1.25 per strip taking a thumb drive with the PDFs to Kinko's will get them done for a lot less. Commercial copy centers are going to be somewhere under $1 per color page. I just looked at that program for the first time, it's way cool and GPL (meaning free to use and modify, with source available). I really prefer the pre-printed perforated strips sold by Always Jukin' and others. I'm seriously thinking of modifying that script to print on those. It should be relatively easy to tweak it to delete the background and allow for user-adjusted margins to center the printer. This way the added cost of pre-printed strips offsets the hassle of cutting them out and the need for a color printer. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dmcken at accesscomm.ca Sun Aug 17 19:09:58 2008 From: dmcken at accesscomm.ca (D & D McKen) Date: Sun Aug 17 19:10:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips In-Reply-To: <48A750EF.2030302@west.net> References: <4A4E580501F1AA44BD31767C449B798902421763@PEPWMV00015.corp.pep.pvt> <48A750EF.2030302@west.net> Message-ID: <48A8D9F6.50305@accesscomm.ca> Just an update on Low Profile, they are still around got an email from them confirming it this afternoon. Doug Jay Hennigan wrote: > Miller, Paul {PCNA} wrote: >> I have 82 45's that I need title strips for. >> >> I have spoken to a few folks that can make them up for $1.25 a piece. >> >> Can you beat that price? Are they on card stock- let me know your >> thoughts. > > A more scalable and probably less expensive solution would be to buy > title strip software and blank strips. This way you can produce strips > as needed. > > A variety of title strip designs are available on 8 1/2 x 11 card stock, > 20 strips per page perforated. I use a program called Jukebox by Low > Profile Software, but they seem to be gone now. Always Jukin and > Jukebox Collector magazines sell similar programs as well as the blank > strips. The software is about $49, and any laser or inkjet printer can > be used. > > A member of this list has a Word template for title strips on his > website for free download. I don't have the URL but perhaps someone > will post it. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From edinman at earthlink.net Sun Aug 17 13:31:58 2008 From: edinman at earthlink.net (Ed Inman) Date: Sun Aug 17 23:30:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips Message-ID: <22565573.1219005118324.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I miss the days of offset printed Sterling Title Strips and Star Title Strips. Sterling outlasted Star by a few years--into the early 90s I think. What were the color codes? Best as I can remember: RED for rock/Top 40. GREEN for country. BLUE for R&B/soul. ORANGE for soft pop/easy listening. PURPLE for oldies. YELLOW for novelty/comedy. I could be wrong on some of those. Does anybody remember for sure? Also, was there a designated color for Latin/Spanish language records? thanks for any info, Ed -----Original Message----- >From: David Breneman >Sent: Aug 17, 2008 2:51 PM >To: Jukebox mailing list >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > > >--- On Sat, 8/16/08, Ken Fleck wrote: > >> Get free title strips from here: >> http://www.pinballrebel.com/archive/ >> other/title.htm I use them and they are great! > >They're only free if you already have the printer and the paper, >aren't they? :-) > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dave.halford at telent.com Mon Aug 18 00:31:29 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Mon Aug 18 00:33:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips Message-ID: <20080818073146.6D931AFAE5@blade209.la.inty.net> Well, you have the strips already, but your bubble jet won't print on them properly why not get a typewriter off the 'bay' and do a bit of typing. Me? I use Excel and 80gm A4 run through the laser printer at work. It's easy enough to size the labels with a bit of trial and error and you can include sleeve pic's if you want. regards Dave H Ed Inman To: david_breneman@yahoo.com, Jukebox mailing list Sent by: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n cc: etlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips 17/08/2008 21:31 Please respond to Ed Inman; Please respond to Jukebox mailing list I miss the days of offset printed Sterling Title Strips and Star Title Strips. Sterling outlasted Star by a few years--into the early 90s I think. What were the color codes? Best as I can remember: RED for rock/Top 40. GREEN for country. BLUE for R&B/soul. ORANGE for soft pop/easy listening. PURPLE for oldies. YELLOW for novelty/comedy. I could be wrong on some of those. Does anybody remember for sure? Also, was there a designated color for Latin/Spanish language records? thanks for any info, Ed -----Original Message----- >From: David Breneman >Sent: Aug 17, 2008 2:51 PM >To: Jukebox mailing list >Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > > >--- On Sat, 8/16/08, Ken Fleck wrote: > >> Get free title strips from here: >> http://www.pinballrebel.com/archive/ >> other/title.htm I use them and they are great! > >They're only free if you already have the printer and the paper, >aren't they? :-) > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Jukebox-list mailing list >Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From johntrav at suddenlink.net Mon Aug 18 09:11:42 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Mon Aug 18 09:29:03 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips References: <20080818073146.6D931AFAE5@blade209.la.inty.net> Message-ID: <004501c9014f$587470c0$0301a8c0@JOHNTRAV> Might as well add my .02. I took 2 blank sheets of Star title strips (9 strips per sheet) and scanned them into a template file. I then load the template into my Printmaster program. I add a text box to the template sized for 3 title strips and type in the text using 12 point for the titles and 10 point for the artist. I use the ariel black font. I only do 3 at a time because the line spacing doesn't exactly match the title strip and doing more than 3 makes the spacing difference visible. I use 97# card stock to print the strips out, then cut them apart. I've also used the Roos templates which are easier to work with, however Marco's NL web page seems to have disappeared. It's too bad because he had numerous styles for 45's and 78's. I'm glad Pinball Rebel has it. The Roos templates are slightly small, so I print them at 102% size and they work fine. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Ed Inman" ; "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:31 AM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > Well, you have the strips already, but your bubble jet won't print on them > properly why not get a typewriter off the 'bay' and do a bit of typing. > > Me? I use Excel and 80gm A4 run through the laser printer at work. It's > easy enough to size the labels with a bit of trial and error and you can > include sleeve pic's if you want. > > > regards > > Dave H > > > > > > Ed Inman > To: > david_breneman@yahoo.com, Jukebox mailing list > Sent by: > > jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n cc: > etlojix.com Subject: Re: > [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips > > > 17/08/2008 21:31 > Please respond to Ed Inman; > Please respond to Jukebox > mailing list > > > > > > > I miss the days of offset printed Sterling Title Strips and Star Title > Strips. Sterling outlasted Star by a few years--into the early 90s I > think. > > What were the color codes? > > Best as I can remember: > RED for rock/Top 40. > GREEN for country. > BLUE for R&B/soul. > ORANGE for soft pop/easy listening. > PURPLE for oldies. > YELLOW for novelty/comedy. > > I could be wrong on some of those. Does anybody remember for sure? Also, > was there a designated color for Latin/Spanish language records? > > thanks for any info, > Ed > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: David Breneman >>Sent: Aug 17, 2008 2:51 PM >>To: Jukebox mailing list >>Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips >> >> >>--- On Sat, 8/16/08, Ken Fleck wrote: >> >>> Get free title strips from here: >>> http://www.pinballrebel.com/archive/ >>> other/title.htm I use them and they are great! >> >>They're only free if you already have the printer and the paper, >>aren't they? :-) >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Jukebox-list mailing list >>Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >>http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - > www.maildefender.net > > > > > > > This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any > attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If > you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this > e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender > immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and > delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or > opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may > not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission cannot > be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can be > intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or > contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any > errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a > result of e-mail transmission or for any damage caused by any virus > transmitted by this email. > > > > Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - > www.maildefender.net > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 09:48:47 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon Aug 18 09:49:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips In-Reply-To: <20080818073146.6D931AFAE5@blade209.la.inty.net> Message-ID: <577392.25729.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 8/18/08, dave.halford@telent.com wrote: > Well, you have the strips already, but your bubble jet > won't print on them > properly why not get a typewriter off the 'bay' and > do a bit of typing. I bought an IBM Selectric II at Boeing Surplus about 15 years ago for $50 (they had pallets of them) and never looked back. I use the Orator element which looks a lot like some of the type styles used by those little title strip printing presses in the one-stops. I haven't owned a printer in 3-4 years, and I really don't use one enough to warrant the expense, so this has been the perfect solution for me. Orator also works well for single-selection title strips as it has caps in two sizes, big for the title and small for the artist. From bobfav at cox.net Mon Aug 18 12:05:26 2008 From: bobfav at cox.net (bobfav@cox.net) Date: Mon Aug 18 12:06:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's In-Reply-To: <20080818190003.AA23DAAB5D@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <20080818150526.B6HTU.153982.imail@eastrmwml44> Speaking of vinyl and youngsters, my 16 year old came back from the mall the other night with a new 45 from one of the bands he likes, and of course I never heard of. Anyway, it is a small hole 45. For the life of me I cannot remember if the small hole 45's will play on a Seeburg from the 50's. Does anyone know offhand? I know the B-C-G-J-R style mech has a small center pin on the clamp arm, but no idea if it will play. Assuming it will not, anyone reccomend a dinking tool or dinking service? Thanks Bob in RI From klaba at klaba.net Mon Aug 18 12:49:53 2008 From: klaba at klaba.net (Klaba) Date: Mon Aug 18 12:51:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's In-Reply-To: <20080818150526.B6HTU.153982.imail@eastrmwml44> References: <20080818150526.B6HTU.153982.imail@eastrmwml44> Message-ID: <48A9D261.7000401@klaba.net> I saw this one in eBay UK. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DINKER-HOLE-CUTTER-FOR-JUKE-BOX-RECORDS-JUKEBOX-45s_W0QQitemZ270264879036QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270264879036&_trkparms=72%3A12|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 -Klaba- bobfav@cox.net kirjoitti: > Speaking of vinyl and youngsters, my 16 year old came back from the mall the other night with a new 45 from one of the bands he likes, and of course I never heard of. Anyway, it is a small hole 45. For the life of me I cannot remember if the small hole 45's will play on a Seeburg from the 50's. Does anyone know offhand? I know the B-C-G-J-R style mech has a small center pin on the clamp arm, but no idea if it will play. > > Assuming it will not, anyone reccomend a dinking tool or dinking service? > > Thanks Bob in RI > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 12:50:29 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 18 12:51:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's In-Reply-To: <20080818150526.B6HTU.153982.imail@eastrmwml44> Message-ID: <342787.99601.qm@web55814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bob in RI, That's one of hose "definite may bee's" --- On Mon, 8/18/08, bobfav@cox.net wrote: From: bobfav@cox.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: jukebox-list-request@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 12:05 PM Speaking of vinyl and youngsters, my 16 year old came back from the mall the other night with a new 45 from one of the bands he likes, and of course I never heard of. Anyway, it is a small hole 45. For the life of me I cannot remember if the small hole 45's will play on a Seeburg from the 50's. Does anyone know offhand? I know the B-C-G-J-R style mech has a small center pin on the clamp arm, but no idea if it will play. Assuming it will not, anyone reccomend a dinking tool or dinking service? Thanks Bob in RI _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 12:56:19 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 18 12:57:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's In-Reply-To: <20080818150526.B6HTU.153982.imail@eastrmwml44> Message-ID: <509920.51283.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bob in RI, That's one of those "definite may bee's". IF, the clamp arm is set-up 100% right, it will work, IF, the clamp arm (reject) switch is disabled. Or, if the clamp disc is the later style (still need to disable the switch). You may also need to "champher" the TT slightly, as was done on the later version). Ron Rich --- On Mon, 8/18/08, bobfav@cox.net wrote: From: bobfav@cox.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Cc: jukebox-list-request@lists.netlojix.com Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 12:05 PM Speaking of vinyl and youngsters, my 16 year old came back from the mall the other night with a new 45 from one of the bands he likes, and of course I never heard of. Anyway, it is a small hole 45. For the life of me I cannot remember if the small hole 45's will play on a Seeburg from the 50's. Does anyone know offhand? I know the B-C-G-J-R style mech has a small center pin on the clamp arm, but no idea if it will play. Assuming it will not, anyone reccomend a dinking tool or dinking service? Thanks Bob in RI _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 19 00:36:17 2008 From: chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk (Chris K. Tanner) Date: Tue Aug 19 00:37:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's References: <20080818150526.B6HTU.153982.imail@eastrmwml44> Message-ID: <04a701c901ce$478be110$ab01a8c0@acerc2d0f03b5f> I make and sell dinkers. Contact me off forum and I will send you a picture. Anybody who wants one they are $20.00 plus postage. I live in the UK so postage is around $10.00. All who are interested let me know. chris@cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's > > Speaking of vinyl and youngsters, my 16 year old came back from the mall > the other night with a new 45 from one of the bands he likes, and of > course I never heard of. Anyway, it is a small hole 45. For the life of > me I cannot remember if the small hole 45's will play on a Seeburg from > the 50's. Does anyone know offhand? I know the B-C-G-J-R style mech has > a small center pin on the clamp arm, but no idea if it will play. > > Assuming it will not, anyone reccomend a dinking tool or dinking service? > > Thanks Bob in RI > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1619 - Release Date: 8/18/2008 > 5:39 PM > > > From dave.halford at telent.com Tue Aug 19 00:53:15 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Tue Aug 19 00:54:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's Message-ID: <20080819075317.ED5FD78076@blade107.lb.inty.net> And $20 for a picture of a dinker is well worth it!! ;O) regards Dave H "Chris K. Tanner" uk> cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n etlojix.com 19/08/2008 08:36 Please respond to Jukebox mailing list I make and sell dinkers. Contact me off forum and I will send you a picture. Anybody who wants one they are $20.00 plus postage. I live in the UK so postage is around $10.00. All who are interested let me know. chris@cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's > > Speaking of vinyl and youngsters, my 16 year old came back from the mall > the other night with a new 45 from one of the bands he likes, and of > course I never heard of. Anyway, it is a small hole 45. For the life of > me I cannot remember if the small hole 45's will play on a Seeburg from > the 50's. Does anyone know offhand? I know the B-C-G-J-R style mech has > a small center pin on the clamp arm, but no idea if it will play. > > Assuming it will not, anyone reccomend a dinking tool or dinking service? > > Thanks Bob in RI > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1619 - Release Date: 8/18/2008 > 5:39 PM > > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 08:31:09 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 19 08:32:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's In-Reply-To: <04a701c901ce$478be110$ab01a8c0@acerc2d0f03b5f> Message-ID: <631945.33185.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Chris, Some how, "Dinker" just sounds funny to we "Yanks" !? But thanks for posting this, as no one here seems to know how/?where to get "Dinkers"--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Chris K. Tanner wrote: From: Chris K. Tanner Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 12:36 AM I make and sell dinkers. Contact me off forum and I will send you a picture. Anybody who wants one they are $20.00 plus postage. I live in the UK so postage is around $10.00. All who are interested let me know. chris@cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's > > Speaking of vinyl and youngsters, my 16 year old came back from the mall > the other night with a new 45 from one of the bands he likes, and of > course I never heard of. Anyway, it is a small hole 45. For the life of > me I cannot remember if the small hole 45's will play on a Seeburg from > the 50's. Does anyone know offhand? I know the B-C-G-J-R style mech has > a small center pin on the clamp arm, but no idea if it will play. > > Assuming it will not, anyone reccomend a dinking tool or dinking service? > > Thanks Bob in RI > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1619 - Release Date: 8/18/2008 > 5:39 PM > > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 08:43:44 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 19 08:45:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mills Throne tone arm Message-ID: <447381.3896.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi All, A friend of mine, who is not a member of this list, has asked me for suggestions on how to lighten the tone arm pressure on a Mills Throne phono--any suggestions that I can pass on?? (other then a stick of Di-no-mite, which I have already offered!)? Thanks, Ron Rich From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 09:24:13 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 19 09:25:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Source needed Message-ID: <548294.98434.qm@web55811.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi All, Does anyone have a source for the screw used to hold the cartridge on a Seeburg ? It's a 4-36 X 5/16th flat head machine screw ( "Phillips" head prefered, "standard" head OK). Thankx, Ron Rich From chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 19 09:44:34 2008 From: chris at cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk (Chris K. Tanner) Date: Tue Aug 19 09:46:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's References: <631945.33185.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04df01c9021a$e3f85dc0$ab01a8c0@acerc2d0f03b5f> Sorry Folks, I forget that some of our technospeak gets lost somewhere mid Atlantic. I think that "Dinking" describes well the action of hole enlargement of records in order to suit jukebox mechanisms. To Dink ! I Dink, You Dink , They Dink. Underneath we are all "Dinkers". Anybody who wants one please let me know. Regards Chris T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's Chris, Some how, "Dinker" just sounds funny to we "Yanks" ! But thanks for posting this, as no one here seems to know how/ where to get "Dinkers"--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Chris K. Tanner wrote: From: Chris K. Tanner Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 12:36 AM I make and sell dinkers. Contact me off forum and I will send you a picture. Anybody who wants one they are $20.00 plus postage. I live in the UK so postage is around $10.00. All who are interested let me know. chris@cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's > > Speaking of vinyl and youngsters, my 16 year old came back from the mall > the other night with a new 45 from one of the bands he likes, and of > course I never heard of. Anyway, it is a small hole 45. For the life of > me I cannot remember if the small hole 45's will play on a Seeburg from > the 50's. Does anyone know offhand? I know the B-C-G-J-R style mech has > a small center pin on the clamp arm, but no idea if it will play. > > Assuming it will not, anyone reccomend a dinking tool or dinking service? > > Thanks Bob in RI > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1619 - Release Date: 8/18/2008 > 5:39 PM > > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 6:04 AM From jay at west.net Tue Aug 19 09:50:17 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Tue Aug 19 09:51:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Source needed 4-36 machine screw In-Reply-To: <548294.98434.qm@web55811.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <548294.98434.qm@web55811.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48AAF9C9.20301@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > Does anyone have a source for the screw used to hold the cartridge on a Seeburg ? It's a 4-36 X 5/16th flat head machine screw ( "Phillips" head prefered, "standard" head OK). An industrial type hardware store should have some 4-36 machine screws. There's one less than a mile from my work, I can probably grab one for you if you strike out locally. http://www.specialtytoolandbolt.com/ Also try a model railroad hobby shop. Here's a listing for one 3/8 inch long, you can grind/file/cut it down. http://www.traindoctor.com/service/screws/screws.asp -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk Tue Aug 19 10:18:04 2008 From: jukeofshrewsbury at tiscali.co.uk (Juke of Shrewsbury) Date: Tue Aug 19 10:20:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Source needed References: <548294.98434.qm@web55811.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c9021f$8aafab60$4201a8c0@JUKEBUS> ....I don't know where to get them, but I always wondered why #4-40 screws would not fit, now I know!! Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:24 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Source needed Hi All, Does anyone have a source for the screw used to hold the cartridge on a Seeburg ? It's a 4-36 X 5/16th flat head machine screw ( "Phillips" head prefered, "standard" head OK). Thankx, Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1618 - Release Date: 18/08/2008 06:51 From joe400f at shaw.ca Tue Aug 19 12:20:26 2008 From: joe400f at shaw.ca (Joey McDonald) Date: Tue Aug 19 12:21:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Source needed In-Reply-To: <548294.98434.qm@web55811.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <548294.98434.qm@web55811.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Ron, Patrick at jukeboxusa.com sells them. I bought some myself and they fit and look great. They come 2 per package. Joey McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Rich Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:25 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Source needed To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Hi All, > Does anyone have a source for the screw used to hold the > cartridge on a Seeburg ? It's a 4-36 X 5/16th flat head machine > screw ( "Phillips" head prefered, "standard" head OK). > Thankx, Ron Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 13:14:55 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 19 13:16:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Source needed 4-36 machine screw In-Reply-To: <48AAF9C9.20301@west.net> Message-ID: <783546.13786.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Thankx Jay--I'll search some more and let you know if I need to have you do all that--Ron Rich --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Source needed 4-36 machine screw To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 9:50 AM Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > Does anyone have a source for the screw used to hold the cartridge on a Seeburg ? It's a 4-36 X 5/16th flat head machine screw ( "Phillips" head prefered, "standard" head OK). An industrial type hardware store should have some 4-36 machine screws. There's one less than a mile from my work, I can probably grab one for you if you strike out locally. http://www.specialtytoolandbolt.com/ Also try a model railroad hobby shop. Here's a listing for one 3/8 inch long, you can grind/file/cut it down. http://www.traindoctor.com/service/screws/screws.asp -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 14:16:20 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Tue Aug 19 14:17:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg Stereo To Mono Cartridge Adapter Message-ID: <320376.80128.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Has anyone experience with the mono to stereo cartridge adapters for Seeburg? With it a Stereo cartridge could be used in a mono tonearm. It seems it would change a lot of the engineering of Seeburg? Perhaps a multitude of additional problems as well? I suppose Wico or someone sold them as after market? Thank you! David From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 19 16:17:36 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Aug 19 16:18:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mills Throne tone arm References: <447381.3896.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c90251$c5134230$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Ron - I used to own one of these clunkers, and I went through a lot of trouble to lighten the tonearm. I removed the tonearm and milled out a huge area of the casting up front and made a delrin adaptor to install an Astatic 51 cartridge. I milled a flat at the rear of the tonearm, tapped a hole, and added a slotted piece of steel weight so I could balance it. It worked great except for the fact that it was too light to actuate the reject mechanism. I solved this by adding a leaf switch in parallel with the motor switch and adding a bracket underneath to actuate it. It worked great, although it was certainly a lot of work. I do have sketches of all my work if your friend is interested. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:43 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mills Throne tone arm Hi All, A friend of mine, who is not a member of this list, has asked me for suggestions on how to lighten the tone arm pressure on a Mills Throne phono--any suggestions that I can pass on?? (other then a stick of Di-no-mite, which I have already offered!) Thanks, Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Tue Aug 19 16:50:23 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 19 16:57:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mills Throne tone arm Message-ID: I wonder if any such a thing can be done on the older ferris wheel Mills mechs? J.C. In a message dated 8/19/2008 7:19:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dirksenj@bellsouth.net writes: Ron - I used to own one of these clunkers, and I went through a lot of trouble to lighten the tonearm. I removed the tonearm and milled out a huge area of the casting up front and made a delrin adaptor to install an Astatic 51 cartridge. I milled a flat at the rear of the tonearm, tapped a hole, and added a slotted piece of steel weight so I could balance it. It worked great except for the fact that it was too light to actuate the reject mechanism. I solved this by adding a leaf switch in parallel with the motor switch and adding a bracket underneath to actuate it. It worked great, although it was certainly a lot of work. I do have sketches of all my work if your friend is interested. Jim **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 19 17:15:07 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Aug 19 17:16:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's References: <20080818150526.B6HTU.153982.imail@eastrmwml44> Message-ID: <002501c90259$cdafb880$6101a8c0@Dirksen> CBS News had a little spot on vinyl's "comeback" tonight, mentioning that REM, Springsteen, Madonna, Cold Play and others have their latest releases available on LP. No mention was made of 45's, though. I haven't been to the mall in years - maybe I will have to go check it out - I get tired of the same oldies and would like to see new artists available on 45. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:05 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's > Speaking of vinyl and youngsters, my 16 year old came back from the mall > the other night with a new 45 from one of the bands he likes, and of > course I never heard of. Anyway, it is a small hole 45. For the life of > me I cannot remember if the small hole 45's will play on a Seeburg from > the 50's. Does anyone know offhand? I know the B-C-G-J-R style mech has > a small center pin on the clamp arm, but no idea if it will play. > > Assuming it will not, anyone reccomend a dinking tool or dinking service? > > Thanks Bob in RI > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From tim at catawbamail.com Tue Aug 19 17:50:17 2008 From: tim at catawbamail.com (Tim Larson) Date: Tue Aug 19 17:51:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Problems In-Reply-To: <489F4A89.6080801@telus.net> Message-ID: John thanks for the tip - the switch did the trick! Tim Larson Director of Printing Operations Catawba Print & Mail 828-324-2021 ext 302 tim@catawbamail.com Www.catawbamail.com > From: John Robertson > Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. > Reply-To: , Jukebox mailing list > > Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:07:37 -0700 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Selection Problems > > Tim Larson wrote: >> I need some assistance with a Wurlitzer 3300 I >> acquired this month. I am a novice with electronics. But most parts are in >> working order. My problem seems to be Selector solenoids that engage the >> rockers to make the selection - they seem to be stuck in. when a selection >> is made the rockers move to position (Ie A1) and make a buzz noise but >> don't seem to work. >> Tim Larson >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> > Read the service manual to identify the START microswitch. Find it, and > measure it with an ohm-meter with the machine _*UNPLUGGED*_. There is > info on reading ohm-meters on the internet. > > http://flippers.com/juke-tip.html <--for some of my suggestions. > http://flippers.com/ami-rowe.html <-- pictures of another make (AMI) > microswitch testing... > > That is always the first suspect in servicing Wurlitzer non-selecting > (buzzes, but no selection made) for models ~2000 - 3300 inclusive. > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tim at catawbamail.com Tue Aug 19 17:53:30 2008 From: tim at catawbamail.com (Tim Larson) Date: Tue Aug 19 17:54:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Drive Belts and Needle Message-ID: Can someone assist me with directions on replacing the drive belts on the turntable and replacing the needle on a Wurlitzer 3300. I have the repair manual but it doesn?t really explain this. Thanks in advance. PS I am a beginner! Tim Larson From crackertown at cox.net Tue Aug 19 17:55:55 2008 From: crackertown at cox.net (TEL) Date: Tue Aug 19 17:57:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Drive Belts and Needle References: Message-ID: <000f01c9025f$80b00de0$6501a8c0@microsof7bp9ai> Try www.needledoctor.com Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Larson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:53 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Drive Belts and Needle Can someone assist me with directions on replacing the drive belts on the turntable and replacing the needle on a Wurlitzer 3300. I have the repair manual but it doesn?t really explain this. Thanks in advance. PS I am a beginner! Tim Larson _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 6:04 AM From tim at catawbamail.com Tue Aug 19 18:06:47 2008 From: tim at catawbamail.com (Tim Larson) Date: Tue Aug 19 18:07:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Drive Belts and Needle In-Reply-To: <000f01c9025f$80b00de0$6501a8c0@microsof7bp9ai> Message-ID: Thanks Tom I already have the parts - just need assistance on how to get them on. Tim Larson Director of Printing Operations Catawba Print & Mail 828-324-2021 ext 302 tim@catawbamail.com Www.catawbamail.com > From: TEL > Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:55:55 -0700 > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Drive Belts and Needle > > Try www.needledoctor.com Tom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Larson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:53 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Drive Belts and Needle > > > Can someone assist me with directions on replacing the drive belts on the > turntable and replacing the needle on a Wurlitzer 3300. I have the repair > manual but it doesn?t really explain this. > Thanks in advance. PS I am a beginner! > Tim Larson > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 > 6:04 AM > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 18:07:35 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 19 18:08:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mills Throne tone arm In-Reply-To: <001d01c90251$c5134230$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <803533.31349.qm@web55809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Thanks, Jim ! I will pass this on and let you know--Ron --- On Tue, 8/19/08, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Mills Throne tone arm To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 4:17 PM Ron - I used to own one of these clunkers, and I went through a lot of trouble to lighten the tonearm. I removed the tonearm and milled out a huge area of the casting up front and made a delrin adaptor to install an Astatic 51 cartridge. I milled a flat at the rear of the tonearm, tapped a hole, and added a slotted piece of steel weight so I could balance it. It worked great except for the fact that it was too light to actuate the reject mechanism. I solved this by adding a leaf switch in parallel with the motor switch and adding a bracket underneath to actuate it. It worked great, although it was certainly a lot of work. I do have sketches of all my work if your friend is interested. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:43 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mills Throne tone arm Hi All, A friend of mine, who is not a member of this list, has asked me for suggestions on how to lighten the tone arm pressure on a Mills Throne phono--any suggestions that I can pass on?? (other then a stick of Di-no-mite, which I have already offered!) Thanks, Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 18:22:50 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 19 18:23:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Drive Belts and Needle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <945884.24741.qm@web55812.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I can try-- I assume that you have opened the upper rear door?? If not, do so. Remove any record, and select that "slot". Turn power off, work one belt at a time off, by removing it from the little (drive) wheel, then the large wheel. You will need to work each one to the "center pin", pull back slightly on the "pressure arm" so that you can work it past the pin and two rollers. I suggest that after both belts are off, you clean the wheels with a "safety solvent". Work the new belts on one at a time--once thru the above pin and rollers, use the safety solvent to clean them,?prior? to attaching them to the wheels. The needle is explained in detail in the manual--providing you have an original cartridge. Ron Rich? --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Tim Larson wrote: From: Tim Larson Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Drive Belts and Needle To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 5:53 PM Can someone assist me with directions on replacing the drive belts on the turntable and replacing the needle on a Wurlitzer 3300. I have the repair manual but it doesn?t really explain this. Thanks in advance. PS I am a beginner! Tim Larson _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tim at catawbamail.com Tue Aug 19 18:42:16 2008 From: tim at catawbamail.com (Tim Larson) Date: Tue Aug 19 18:43:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Drive Belts and Needle In-Reply-To: <945884.24741.qm@web55812.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ron Excellent got 'em on sounds much better! I will look again in the manual but I don't see where it tells you how to replace the needle - all parts in the machine are original save for the new belts, new start switch in the selector and obviously updated music! Tim Larson Director of Printing Operations Catawba Print & Mail 828-324-2021 ext 302 tim@catawbamail.com Www.catawbamail.com > From: Ron Rich > Reply-To: , Jukebox mailing list > > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:22:50 -0700 (PDT) > To: Jukebox mailing list > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Drive Belts and Needle > > I can try-- > I assume that you have opened the upper rear door?? If not, do so. Remove any > record, and select that "slot". Turn power off, work one belt at a time off, > by removing it from the little (drive) wheel, then the large wheel. You will > need to work each one to the "center pin", pull back slightly on the "pressure > arm" so that you can work it past the pin and two rollers. I suggest that > after both belts are off, you clean the wheels with a "safety solvent". Work > the new belts on one at a time--once thru the above pin and rollers, use the > safety solvent to clean them,?prior? to attaching them to the wheels. > The needle is explained in detail in the manual--providing you have an > original cartridge. Ron Rich? > > --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Tim Larson wrote: > > From: Tim Larson > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 3300 Drive Belts and Needle > To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 5:53 PM > > Can someone assist me with directions on replacing the drive belts on the > turntable and replacing the needle on a Wurlitzer 3300. I have the repair > manual but it doesn?t really explain this. > Thanks in advance. PS I am a beginner! > Tim Larson > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From julie.mitchell at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 19:12:17 2008 From: julie.mitchell at gmail.com (Julie Mitchell) Date: Tue Aug 19 19:13:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's In-Reply-To: <04df01c9021a$e3f85dc0$ab01a8c0@acerc2d0f03b5f> References: <631945.33185.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <04df01c9021a$e3f85dc0$ab01a8c0@acerc2d0f03b5f> Message-ID: I can attest to the fact that Chris has an excellent dinker ;) And he ships them fast. Just be careful of some records that are more brittle. I cracked a couple from Go Feat records that I bought in London :( -Julie On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Chris K. Tanner < chris@cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Sorry Folks, > I forget that some of our technospeak gets lost somewhere mid Atlantic. I > think that "Dinking" describes well the action of hole enlargement of > records in order to suit jukebox mechanisms. To Dink ! I Dink, You Dink , > They Dink. Underneath we are all "Dinkers". > Anybody who wants one please let me know. > Regards Chris T > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's > > > Chris, > Some how, "Dinker" just sounds funny to we "Yanks" ! But thanks for posting > this, as no one here seems to know how/ where to get "Dinkers"--Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Chris K. Tanner > wrote: > > From: Chris K. Tanner > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 12:36 AM > > I make and sell dinkers. Contact me off forum and I will send you a > picture. > Anybody who wants one they are $20.00 plus postage. I live in the UK so > postage is around $10.00. > > All who are interested let me know. chris@cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk > > Regards. > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:05 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's > > > >> Speaking of vinyl and youngsters, my 16 year old came back from the mall >> the other night with a new 45 from one of the bands he likes, and of >> course I never heard of. Anyway, it is a small hole 45. For the life of >> me I cannot remember if the small hole 45's will play on a Seeburg >> > from > >> the 50's. Does anyone know offhand? I know the B-C-G-J-R style mech >> > has > >> a small center pin on the clamp arm, but no idea if it will play. >> >> Assuming it will not, anyone reccomend a dinking tool or dinking service? >> >> Thanks Bob in RI >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1619 - Release Date: 8/18/2008 >> 5:39 PM >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 > 6:04 AM > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From Central.electrical at ntlworld.com Wed Aug 20 00:21:20 2008 From: Central.electrical at ntlworld.com (Neil Makin @ Central Electrical Limited) Date: Wed Aug 20 00:20:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's In-Reply-To: <002501c90259$cdafb880$6101a8c0@Dirksen> References: <20080818150526.B6HTU.153982.imail@eastrmwml44> <002501c90259$cdafb880$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <001201c90295$590d8250$0b2886f0$@electrical@ntlworld.com> We have a band over here in the uk. That has released there new album on 78`s (KITTY DAISY & LEWIS 2008 Limited EDITION 10"78rpm ALBUM) ebay item # 180278333178, things are looking up, its very good too! Neil . -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of dirksenj@bellsouth.net Sent: 20 August 2008 01:15 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's CBS News had a little spot on vinyl's "comeback" tonight, mentioning that REM, Springsteen, Madonna, Cold Play and others have their latest releases available on LP. No mention was made of 45's, though. I haven't been to the mall in years - maybe I will have to go check it out - I get tired of the same oldies and would like to see new artists available on 45. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:05 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's > Speaking of vinyl and youngsters, my 16 year old came back from the mall > the other night with a new 45 from one of the bands he likes, and of > course I never heard of. Anyway, it is a small hole 45. For the life of > me I cannot remember if the small hole 45's will play on a Seeburg from > the 50's. Does anyone know offhand? I know the B-C-G-J-R style mech has > a small center pin on the clamp arm, but no idea if it will play. > > Assuming it will not, anyone reccomend a dinking tool or dinking service? > > Thanks Bob in RI > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dave.halford at telent.com Wed Aug 20 00:20:37 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Wed Aug 20 00:21:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's Message-ID: <20080820072038.8D292AFAE7@blade209.la.inty.net> Any record with a painted rather than a paper center can be dinked (is that a rude word in the US) safely if the whole of the painted center is covered on both sides with auto paint masking tape. Even with the metal punch variety that operate with an 'allen' wrench you get a horrible cracking sound as the cutter forces through, the tape prevents the cracks propagating outside section being removed. If you dont use it the record will fall in half !!!!!! regards Dave H "Julie Mitchell" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent by: cc: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's etlojix.com 20/08/2008 03:12 Please respond to Jukebox mailing list I can attest to the fact that Chris has an excellent dinker ;) And he ships them fast. Just be careful of some records that are more brittle. I cracked a couple from Go Feat records that I bought in London :( -Julie On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Chris K. Tanner < chris@cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Sorry Folks, > I forget that some of our technospeak gets lost somewhere mid Atlantic. I > think that "Dinking" describes well the action of hole enlargement of > records in order to suit jukebox mechanisms. To Dink ! I Dink, You Dink , > They Dink. Underneath we are all "Dinkers". > Anybody who wants one please let me know. > Regards Chris T > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's > > > Chris, > Some how, "Dinker" just sounds funny to we "Yanks" ! But thanks for posting > this, as no one here seems to know how/ where to get "Dinkers"--Ron Rich > > --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Chris K. Tanner > wrote: > > From: Chris K. Tanner > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 12:36 AM > > I make and sell dinkers. Contact me off forum and I will send you a > picture. > Anybody who wants one they are $20.00 plus postage. I live in the UK so > postage is around $10.00. > > All who are interested let me know. chris@cktsedi.freeserve.co.uk > > Regards. > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:05 PM > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's > > > >> Speaking of vinyl and youngsters, my 16 year old came back from the mall >> the other night with a new 45 from one of the bands he likes, and of >> course I never heard of. Anyway, it is a small hole 45. For the life of >> me I cannot remember if the small hole 45's will play on a Seeburg >> > from > >> the 50's. Does anyone know offhand? I know the B-C-G-J-R style mech >> > has > >> a small center pin on the clamp arm, but no idea if it will play. >> >> Assuming it will not, anyone reccomend a dinking tool or dinking service? >> >> Thanks Bob in RI >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1619 - Release Date: 8/18/2008 >> 5:39 PM >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1620 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 > 6:04 AM > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From dave.halford at telent.com Wed Aug 20 01:24:32 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Wed Aug 20 01:25:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's Message-ID: <20080820082431.B79B21ECFE1@blade104.la.inty.net> Go http://hmv.com search for vinyl; pick 7" from the other formats box on the left side of the screen. regards Dave H "Neil Makin @ Central Electrical Limited" To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:05 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's > Speaking of vinyl and youngsters, my 16 year old came back from the mall > the other night with a new 45 from one of the bands he likes, and of > course I never heard of. Anyway, it is a small hole 45. For the life of > me I cannot remember if the small hole 45's will play on a Seeburg from > the 50's. Does anyone know offhand? I know the B-C-G-J-R style mech has > a small center pin on the clamp arm, but no idea if it will play. > > Assuming it will not, anyone reccomend a dinking tool or dinking service? > > Thanks Bob in RI > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From nmacrae23 at btinternet.com Wed Aug 20 02:14:42 2008 From: nmacrae23 at btinternet.com (NORMAN MACRAE) Date: Wed Aug 20 02:15:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Nice 45s formerly Small Hole 45's Message-ID: <635004.73821.qm@web86701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Can I recommend to you some lovely 45s from Germany at www.copasetic.de There you can purchase a very fine 45 by an excellent Scottish band - The Five Aces (no dinking required)! I also just spotted a nice 45 box set "Circular Grooves" containing a?copy of a very rare 45 from The Beatstalkers (a band from my youth!).? Not the cheapest but like fine wine, you just have to splash out occasionally. Norman. From kentteffeteller at hotmail.com Wed Aug 20 05:20:50 2008 From: kentteffeteller at hotmail.com (Kent Teffeteller) Date: Wed Aug 20 05:21:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Small Hole 45's! In-Reply-To: <20080819190003.250D6AA9E6@lists.netlojix.com> References: <20080819190003.250D6AA9E6@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: Hi, The first Seeburg set up to play small hole records was the AY-160. The older Seeburgs expect Large Hole 45 RPM discs. You'll need to dink it. Dinking the center hole is UK slang. In the UK and Europe, 45 RPM discs actually have small holes or punch-out centres for large hole. Advantages are less likely to be off center. Alan K. Teffeteller, CSBE, CBT, CNT, MCSE! "RF can be good for you!" _________________________________________________________________ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be?learn how to burn a DVD with Windows?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ From wbabbott at verizon.net Wed Aug 20 07:25:55 2008 From: wbabbott at verizon.net (Britt Abbott) Date: Wed Aug 20 07:27:17 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mills Throne tone arm Message-ID: <6362782.24608361219242355351.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Hello Jim, I've got three, yes three Mills Thrones that I'm hoping to make two complete ones. As I start this long arduous restoration project, I could sure use any of your sketches and experience on working on the Mills. I have not yet received the third Mills as it's being shipped in from California and it should be the most complete of the three. I noticed that one of the two B2 Astatics cartridges has been rebuilt, but both are missing the thin needle thumb set screw. Will the sound vary replacing these with Astatic 51s or will the Amp need to be modified or should I just use the rebuilt B2s? Also, do you have any miscellaneous parts laying around for these jukes? Regards, Britt Abbott Chesapeake, VA On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:17 PM, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: > Ron - I used to own one of these clunkers, and I went through a lot of > trouble to lighten the tonearm. I removed the tonearm and milled out a > huge area of the casting up front and made a delrin adaptor to install > an Astatic 51 cartridge. I milled a flat at the rear of the tonearm, > tapped a hole, and added a slotted piece of steel weight so I could > balance it. It worked great except for the fact that it was too light > to actuate the reject mechanism. I solved this by adding a leaf switch > in parallel with the motor switch and adding a bracket underneath to > actuate it. It worked great, although it was certainly a lot of work. > I do have sketches of all my work if your friend is interested. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" ? > To: ? > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:43 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mills Throne tone arm Hi All, A friend of mine, who is not a member of this list, has asked me for suggestions on how to lighten the tone arm pressure on a Mills Throne phono--any suggestions that I can pass on?? (other then a stick of Di-no-mite, which I have already offered!) Thanks, Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com ? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 07:30:25 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Aug 20 07:31:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's In-Reply-To: <20080820072038.8D292AFAE7@blade209.la.inty.net> Message-ID: <675282.17559.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 8/20/08, dave.halford@telent.com wrote: > Any record with a painted rather than a paper center can be > dinked A "painted center"? I don't understand what you mean here. Likewise "paper center", unless you mean a paper label, but I've never seen a record with a painted label, and I've got them going back over 100 years. > (is that a rude word in the US) "Dink" is a little kids' slang word for the male member. I wouldn't exactly call it rude, but you wouldn't say it to your teacher. :-) I think the main thing is that polystyrene records are harder and therefore more liable to crack than vinyl ones. From dave.halford at telent.com Wed Aug 20 08:11:39 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Wed Aug 20 08:12:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's Message-ID: <20080820151134.B88EC1ECFBD@blade104.la.inty.net> dave I do indeed mean paper label. We have records over here (mostly from late 70s up untill now ) that have the label area printed like a CD is, you can scratch it off like paint. These break very easily unlike those with paper both sides. Both are vinyl. Funny how words mean different things in different countries 'fanny' over here is the female version of your dink and considered very crude. regards Dave H David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent by: cc: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's etlojix.com 20/08/2008 15:30 Please respond to david_breneman; Please respond to Jukebox mailing list --- On Wed, 8/20/08, dave.halford@telent.com wrote: > Any record with a painted rather than a paper center can be > dinked A "painted center"? I don't understand what you mean here. Likewise "paper center", unless you mean a paper label, but I've never seen a record with a painted label, and I've got them going back over 100 years. > (is that a rude word in the US) "Dink" is a little kids' slang word for the male member. I wouldn't exactly call it rude, but you wouldn't say it to your teacher. :-) I think the main thing is that polystyrene records are harder and therefore more liable to crack than vinyl ones. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From michael.dicecco at rbc.com Wed Aug 20 08:23:18 2008 From: michael.dicecco at rbc.com (Dicecco, Michael) Date: Wed Aug 20 08:24:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's In-Reply-To: <20080820151134.B88EC1ECFBD@blade104.la.inty.net> References: <20080820151134.B88EC1ECFBD@blade104.la.inty.net> Message-ID: Hmm, this places a whole new meaning to Larry Williams song "Short Fat Fanny" ! -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of dave.halford@telent.com Sent: 2008, August, 20 11:12 AM To: david_breneman@yahoo.com; Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's dave I do indeed mean paper label. We have records over here (mostly from late 70s up untill now ) that have the label area printed like a CD is, you can scratch it off like paint. These break very easily unlike those with paper both sides. Both are vinyl. Funny how words mean different things in different countries 'fanny' over here is the female version of your dink and considered very crude. regards Dave H David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent by: cc: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's etlojix.com 20/08/2008 15:30 Please respond to david_breneman; Please respond to Jukebox mailing list --- On Wed, 8/20/08, dave.halford@telent.com wrote: > Any record with a painted rather than a paper center can be dinked A "painted center"? I don't understand what you mean here. Likewise "paper center", unless you mean a paper label, but I've never seen a record with a painted label, and I've got them going back over 100 years. > (is that a rude word in the US) "Dink" is a little kids' slang word for the male member. I wouldn't exactly call it rude, but you wouldn't say it to your teacher. :-) I think the main thing is that polystyrene records are harder and therefore more liable to crack than vinyl ones. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. 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From steve at pro-ns.net Wed Aug 20 08:41:27 2008 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Wed Aug 20 08:42:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Original title strips In-Reply-To: <577392.25729.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20080818073146.6D931AFAE5@blade209.la.inty.net> <577392.25729.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080820154127.GL3886@pro-ns.net> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 09:48:47AM -0700, David Breneman wrote: > I haven't owned a printer in 3-4 years, and I really don't use one > enough to warrant the expense, Wow! I guess I haven't NOT owned a printer for over 24 years, now that I think about it. A quick mental count yields 8 different printers, but some were in use simultaneously (e.g. color inkjet and monochrome laser). And I thought I was a miser by puting about $200 into an antenna system 18 years ago and not paying for cable or satelite TV. :-) --> Steve -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? --Unknown From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 08:57:28 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Aug 20 09:00:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's In-Reply-To: <001201c90295$590d8250$0b2886f0$@electrical@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <141668.33535.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Neil, How long is that "Album" ?? 78rpm is limited to about 5 minutes per side due to that speed--are you sure it's not a 10"- 33&1/3rd rpm?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Neil Makin @ Central Electrical Limited wrote: From: Neil Makin @ Central Electrical Limited Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 12:21 AM We have a band over here in the uk. That has released there new album on 78`s (KITTY DAISY & LEWIS 2008 Limited EDITION 10"78rpm ALBUM) ebay item # 180278333178, things are looking up, its very good too! Neil . -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of dirksenj@bellsouth.net Sent: 20 August 2008 01:15 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's CBS News had a little spot on vinyl's "comeback" tonight, mentioning that REM, Springsteen, Madonna, Cold Play and others have their latest releases available on LP. No mention was made of 45's, though. I haven't been to the mall in years - maybe I will have to go check it out - I get tired of the same oldies and would like to see new artists available on 45. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:05 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's > Speaking of vinyl and youngsters, my 16 year old came back from the mall > the other night with a new 45 from one of the bands he likes, and of > course I never heard of. Anyway, it is a small hole 45. For the life of > me I cannot remember if the small hole 45's will play on a Seeburg from > the 50's. Does anyone know offhand? I know the B-C-G-J-R style mech has > a small center pin on the clamp arm, but no idea if it will play. > > Assuming it will not, anyone reccomend a dinking tool or dinking service? > > Thanks Bob in RI > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 09:09:20 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Aug 20 09:10:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Small Hole 45's! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <468208.20726.qm@web55814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Allen, You are one model late--the clamp arm disc specs were changed during the model "Q" run, to play both speeds-- An "AQ" mech has the newer style, factory installed. Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Kent Teffeteller wrote: From: Kent Teffeteller Subject: [Jukebox-list] Small Hole 45's! To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 5:20 AM Hi, The first Seeburg set up to play small hole records was the AY-160. The older Seeburgs expect Large Hole 45 RPM discs. You'll need to dink it. Dinking the center hole is UK slang. In the UK and Europe, 45 RPM discs actually have small holes or punch-out centres for large hole. Advantages are less likely to be off center. Alan K. Teffeteller, CSBE, CBT, CNT, MCSE! "RF can be good for you!" _________________________________________________________________ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be?learn how to burn a DVD with Windows?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Central.electrical at ntlworld.com Wed Aug 20 09:18:25 2008 From: Central.electrical at ntlworld.com (Neil Makin @ Central Electrical Limited) Date: Wed Aug 20 09:17:25 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's In-Reply-To: <141668.33535.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <001201c90295$590d8250$0b2886f0$@electrical@ntlworld.com> <141668.33535.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c902e0$60cc6e70$22654b50$@electrical@ntlworld.com> No mate. You get 5 x 10inch 78`s and the cd for the people who want everything, Have a look at the link Neil -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich Sent: 20 August 2008 16:57 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's Neil, How long is that "Album" ?? 78rpm is limited to about 5 minutes per side due to that speed--are you sure it's not a 10"- 33&1/3rd rpm?? Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Neil Makin @ Central Electrical Limited wrote: From: Neil Makin @ Central Electrical Limited Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 12:21 AM We have a band over here in the uk. That has released there new album on 78`s (KITTY DAISY & LEWIS 2008 Limited EDITION 10"78rpm ALBUM) ebay item # 180278333178, things are looking up, its very good too! Neil . -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of dirksenj@bellsouth.net Sent: 20 August 2008 01:15 To: Jukebox mailing list Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's CBS News had a little spot on vinyl's "comeback" tonight, mentioning that REM, Springsteen, Madonna, Cold Play and others have their latest releases available on LP. No mention was made of 45's, though. I haven't been to the mall in years - maybe I will have to go check it out - I get tired of the same oldies and would like to see new artists available on 45. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:05 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's > Speaking of vinyl and youngsters, my 16 year old came back from the mall > the other night with a new 45 from one of the bands he likes, and of > course I never heard of. Anyway, it is a small hole 45. For the life of > me I cannot remember if the small hole 45's will play on a Seeburg from > the 50's. Does anyone know offhand? I know the B-C-G-J-R style mech has > a small center pin on the clamp arm, but no idea if it will play. > > Assuming it will not, anyone reccomend a dinking tool or dinking service? > > Thanks Bob in RI > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Wed Aug 20 10:38:36 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Wed Aug 20 10:39:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's In-Reply-To: <141668.33535.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <141668.33535.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48AC569C.4020302@west.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Neil, > How long is that "Album" ? 78rpm is limited to about 5 minutes per side due to that speed--are you sure it's not a 10"- 33&1/3rd rpm? Ron Rich A 78-RPM "album" is a real album! They are bound like a book, think of a photo album. Sleeves for the individual disks are bound into the book. 78-RPM album disks are numbered unusually. If there are five disks in the album you'll have sides 1 and 10 on the same disk, then 2 and 9, then 3 and 8, then 4 and 7, then 5 and 6. The intent is to stack them on the changer and play 1 through 5 in order, then turn the whole stack over and play 6 through 10. The term "album" as applied to one 12-inch LP record really doesn't make sense when you think of it. It's a throwback to the 78s that were actual albums. When RCA introduced the 45, their "albums" were a boxed set of typically three EP disks. Two songs per side for 12 on three disks. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 10:40:56 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Aug 20 10:42:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole 45's In-Reply-To: <20080820151134.B88EC1ECFBD@blade104.la.inty.net> Message-ID: <706535.61672.qm@web55811.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Dave, Yes? it's funny---the first time it happened to me, I was "auto touring " Europe with a couple of British guys. One day in Germany, one of them was driving my? left-hand drive VW, when he spotted a couple of girls hitching a ride. We were going pretty fast, and he sota yelled out "Look at those two homely birds". Well, he forgot that the shifter was located on the right, and as he attempted to down-shift (with his left hand), he smashed it against the dashboard, missed the brake pedal, and we went into a spin. He recovered in time, and no damage was done--anyway, we had no room, no money left, but we picked up these two "homely birds" because they promised to pay for gas ("Petrol" to you), and?we could "sleep with them" in Copenhagen. When we got there, we found that they were night workers in a hospital there, and they would sneak us in to sleep in empty beds-- Anyway, the term "homely birds" means -here in the USA-"uguly ducklings", not as I was told there, "girls you would like to bring home (to Momma ?)". Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/20/08, dave.halford@telent.com wrote: From: dave.halford@telent.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's To: david_breneman@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 8:11 AM dave I do indeed mean paper label. We have records over here (mostly from late 70s up untill now ) that have the label area printed like a CD is, you can scratch it off like paint. These break very easily unlike those with paper both sides. Both are vinyl. Funny how words mean different things in different countries 'fanny' over here is the female version of your dink and considered very crude. regards Dave H David Breneman To: Jukebox mailing list Sent by: cc: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's etlojix.com 20/08/2008 15:30 Please respond to david_breneman; Please respond to Jukebox mailing list --- On Wed, 8/20/08, dave.halford@telent.com wrote: > Any record with a painted rather than a paper center can be > dinked A "painted center"? I don't understand what you mean here. Likewise "paper center", unless you mean a paper label, but I've never seen a record with a painted label, and I've got them going back over 100 years. > (is that a rude word in the US) "Dink" is a little kids' slang word for the male member. I wouldn't exactly call it rude, but you wouldn't say it to your teacher. :-) I think the main thing is that polystyrene records are harder and therefore more liable to crack than vinyl ones. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 10:42:36 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Aug 20 10:43:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's In-Reply-To: <48AC569C.4020302@west.net> Message-ID: <41444.21544.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Jay, I've seen that--just did not have my thinking cap on--I guess--Ron Rich --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 10:38 AM Ron Rich wrote: > Neil, > How long is that "Album" ? 78rpm is limited to about 5 minutes per side due to that speed--are you sure it's not a 10"- 33&1/3rd rpm? Ron Rich A 78-RPM "album" is a real album! They are bound like a book, think of a photo album. Sleeves for the individual disks are bound into the book. 78-RPM album disks are numbered unusually. If there are five disks in the album you'll have sides 1 and 10 on the same disk, then 2 and 9, then 3 and 8, then 4 and 7, then 5 and 6. The intent is to stack them on the changer and play 1 through 5 in order, then turn the whole stack over and play 6 through 10. The term "album" as applied to one 12-inch LP record really doesn't make sense when you think of it. It's a throwback to the 78s that were actual albums. When RCA introduced the 45, their "albums" were a boxed set of typically three EP disks. Two songs per side for 12 on three disks. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From notarysojac at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 20 12:42:57 2008 From: notarysojac at sbcglobal.net (NotarySojac) Date: Wed Aug 20 12:44:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New 78 album set (was Small Hole 45's) Message-ID: <310063.74553.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm a shellac fan so I linked over to the eBay auction. I notice the blurb that they are "FRIENDS OF THE SHELLAC COLLECTIVE" Now this leads me to wonder if this set of 78s is pressed on shellac or vinyl. If vinyl then it would be a deal-breaker for me. I only run shellac through my machine. Also the very dear cost of GBP 34.50 ($69 US!!!) plus $20 shipping is another OUCH! I have even stopped looking at European auctions due to the lousy exchange rate and shipping charges. Anyway, good for these kids! I hope they make a go of it. Oh, I'd STILL love to have a copy of their album & CD. Bob - Chicago -----Original Message----- Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:21:20 +0100 From: "Neil Makin @ Central Electrical Limited" Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Message-ID: <001201c90295$590d8250$0b2886f0$@electrical@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" We have a band over here in the uk. That has released there new album on 78`s (KITTY DAISY & LEWIS 2008 Limited EDITION 10"78rpm ALBUM) ebay item # 180278333178, things are looking up, its very good too! Neil . GBP 34.50 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 14:19:23 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed Aug 20 14:20:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's In-Reply-To: <48AC569C.4020302@west.net> Message-ID: <513879.75030.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: > 78-RPM album disks are numbered unusually. If there are > five disks in > the album you'll have sides 1 and 10 on the same disk, > then 2 and 9, > then 3 and 8, then 4 and 7, then 5 and 6. Ah, but that's only for a drop-changer set. In the 1920s and 1930s there was also a slide-changer set. The slide changers had either a stack of records or a record "dispenser" beside the turntable. The record on top of the stack, or the record first in the dispenser, was played first. When it had played, an arm lifted one corner of it, causing the turntable to whisk it off into velvet-lined compartment on the other side of the turntable. Then the next record played. Because the order of the records in the stack was reversed by playing them, the sides in a slide changer set are paired 1-6, 2-7, 3-8, 4-9 and 5-10. There were also some manual sets, paired 1-2, 2-4, etc. There's a video of a Victor slide-type changer here: http://www.myvintagetv.com/updatepages1/1050/victor_1050.htm This one has the dispenser and the bin on the same side of the turntable, but you get the idea. From Central.electrical at ntlworld.com Wed Aug 20 23:51:02 2008 From: Central.electrical at ntlworld.com (Neil Makin @ Central Electrical Limited) Date: Wed Aug 20 23:49:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New 78 album set (was Small Hole 45's) In-Reply-To: <310063.74553.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <310063.74553.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c9035a$47f72910$d7e57b30$@electrical@ntlworld.com> Hi Bob I will let you know, if shellac or vinyl, when my copy comes. Go and have a look at http://www.myspace.com/kittydaisyandlewis There is some videos on there with a brief view of there 78`s record collection Neil -----Original Message----- From: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of NotarySojac Sent: 20 August 2008 20:43 To: Jukebox List Subject: [Jukebox-list] New 78 album set (was Small Hole 45's) I'm a shellac fan so I linked over to the eBay auction. I notice the blurb that they are "FRIENDS OF THE SHELLAC COLLECTIVE" Now this leads me to wonder if this set of 78s is pressed on shellac or vinyl. If vinyl then it would be a deal-breaker for me. I only run shellac through my machine. Also the very dear cost of GBP 34.50 ($69 US!!!) plus $20 shipping is another OUCH! I have even stopped looking at European auctions due to the lousy exchange rate and shipping charges. Anyway, good for these kids! I hope they make a go of it. Oh, I'd STILL love to have a copy of their album & CD. Bob - Chicago -----Original Message----- Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:21:20 +0100 From: "Neil Makin @ Central Electrical Limited" Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Message-ID: <001201c90295$590d8250$0b2886f0$@electrical@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" We have a band over here in the uk. That has released there new album on 78`s (KITTY DAISY & LEWIS 2008 Limited EDITION 10"78rpm ALBUM) ebay item # 180278333178, things are looking up, its very good too! Neil . GBP 34.50 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dave.halford at telent.com Thu Aug 21 00:44:34 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Thu Aug 21 00:45:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New 78 album set (was Small Hole 45's) Message-ID: <20080821074437.C6763AFAFC@blade209.la.inty.net> Thats expensive to the locals as well, but probably includes 17.5% tax. Every price in the UK at a retail oulet includes the tax. Our government thanks you for your contribution ;O) regards Dave H NotarySojac To: Jukebox List Sent by: cc: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n Subject: [Jukebox-list] New 78 album set (was Small Hole 45's) etlojix.com 20/08/2008 20:42 Please respond to Jukebox mailing list Also the very dear cost of GBP 34.50 ($69 US!!!) plus $20 shipping is another OUCH! I have even stopped looking at European auctions due to the lousy exchange rate and shipping charges. Bob - Chicago -----Original Message----- Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:21:20 +0100 From: "Neil Makin @ Central Electrical Limited" Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: Small Hole 45's To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" Message-ID: <001201c90295$590d8250$0b2886f0$@electrical@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" We have a band over here in the uk. That has released there new album on 78`s (KITTY DAISY & LEWIS 2008 Limited EDITION 10"78rpm ALBUM) ebay item # 180278333178, things are looking up, its very good too! Neil . GBP 34.50 _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From dave.halford at telent.com Thu Aug 21 00:50:07 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Thu Aug 21 00:51:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole 45's Message-ID: <20080821075009.BA27B2BEA68@blade205.la.inty.net> A rubber is for removing pencil marks from paper. You 'rub' them out. regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 06:31:35 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu Aug 21 06:32:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] New 78 album set (was Small Hole 45's) In-Reply-To: <20080821074437.C6763AFAFC@blade209.la.inty.net> Message-ID: <866815.68015.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 8/21/08, dave.halford@telent.com wrote: > Thats expensive to the locals as well, but probably includes > 17.5% tax. > Every price in the UK at a retail oulet includes the tax. > Our government thanks you for your contribution ;O) An album like this is probably quite expensive to produce, just in materials alone, and labor would be at least as much as to produce an equal number of LPs. Britain isn't the only place experiencing the joys of a VAT. Here in Washington the sales tax is skirting 10% in some cities (counties and cities get to add their own surcharge onto it). Boeing turns its planes over to customers over the ocean so they don't have to pay it! (Or so I've been told.) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 08:50:36 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 21 08:51:44 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole 45's In-Reply-To: <20080821075009.BA27B2BEA68@blade205.la.inty.net> Message-ID: <786693.63990.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Dave, I have heard that term used here also, but not too often ! (My Grandma used it, as she was from "over there", and she was extreemly good at making suggestive comments, without a lot of people realizing it ).? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/21/08, dave.halford@telent.com wrote: From: dave.halford@telent.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole 45's To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 12:50 AM A rubber is for removing pencil marks from paper. You 'rub' them out. regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission or for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 16:17:01 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 21 16:18:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gotta havit--(SOT) Message-ID: <321653.4418.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hey All, I really "gotta have" ebay # 160 272 205 215 --so if anyone will lend me the money, I PROMISE to pay it back, soon as I sell the bridge, that I have for sale ! Ron Rich From bobe at halted.com Thu Aug 21 16:21:30 2008 From: bobe at halted.com (Bob Ellingson) Date: Thu Aug 21 16:30:49 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gotta havit--(SOT) Message-ID: <2.2.32.20080821232130.0097ddac@hsces.com> At 04:17 PM 8/21/2008 -0700, you wrote: >Hey All, >I really "gotta have" ebay # 160 272 205 215 --so if anyone will lend me the money, I PROMISE to pay it back, soon as I sell the bridge, that I have for sale I'll bet he got it "one piece at a time"... --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) From jay at west.net Thu Aug 21 17:30:30 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Aug 21 17:31:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole 45's In-Reply-To: <706535.61672.qm@web55811.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <706535.61672.qm@web55811.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48AE08A6.50505@west.net> Ah, yes, regional slang. It can be interesting. During a vacation to Australia, there was a big sporting event in Sydney, soccer as I recall. When we asked the taxi driver which team he was rooting for, he replied, "In Australia, we don't root for our favorite team. We cheer for them." -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From etreble7 at verizon.net Thu Aug 21 20:52:20 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Thu Aug 21 17:53:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gotta havit--(SOT) References: <321653.4418.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008101c9040a$7afb6690$0301a8c0@home1903> Ron, I am very sorry, I have already bought the item (for pennies, of course) not knowing you wanted it so badly...I could arrange a rental? I think it's fantastic and wish I had the $ to even consider it. I've always loved the look of that Jukebox, like the instruments are just popping out of the box, VERY cool. If I win Lotto, I'll get it for you Jackie Dancin' Out Oh....I found a great 78 today, Bull Moose Johnson, "I Want a Bowlegged Woman", I laughed till I cried, love the old blues lyrics...too funny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gotta havit--(SOT) > Hey All, > I really "gotta have" ebay # 160 272 205 215 --so if anyone will lend me > the money, I PROMISE to pay it back, soon as I sell the bridge, that I > have for sale ! Ron Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 19:33:22 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 21 19:34:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gotta havit--(SOT) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20080821232130.0097ddac@hsces.com> Message-ID: <608547.3478.qm@web55813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I'll bet that you are right ! Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Bob Ellingson wrote: From: Bob Ellingson Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Gotta havit--(SOT) To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 4:21 PM At 04:17 PM 8/21/2008 -0700, you wrote: >Hey All, >I really "gotta have" ebay # 160 272 205 215 --so if anyone will lend me the money, I PROMISE to pay it back, soon as I sell the bridge, that I have for sale I'll bet he got it "one piece at a time"... --Bob ======================================================================= Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 19:49:01 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 21 19:50:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gotta havit--(SOT) In-Reply-To: <008101c9040a$7afb6690$0301a8c0@home1903> Message-ID: <469932.3205.qm@web55811.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jackie, No thankx, a rental just would bring on more saddness, when I would be forced to return it----- I have heard that "Bullmoose" Record--long time ago, but I remember it's great--sorta the forerunner to "If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life---ugly girl--for your wife" Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/21/08, etreble7 wrote: From: etreble7 Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Gotta havit--(SOT) To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 8:52 PM Ron, I am very sorry, I have already bought the item (for pennies, of course) not knowing you wanted it so badly...I could arrange a rental? I think it's fantastic and wish I had the $ to even consider it. I've always loved the look of that Jukebox, like the instruments are just popping out of the box, VERY cool. If I win Lotto, I'll get it for you Jackie Dancin' Out Oh....I found a great 78 today, Bull Moose Johnson, "I Want a Bowlegged Woman", I laughed till I cried, love the old blues lyrics...too funny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gotta havit--(SOT) > Hey All, > I really "gotta have" ebay # 160 272 205 215 --so if anyone will lend me > the money, I PROMISE to pay it back, soon as I sell the bridge, that I > have for sale ! Ron Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dave.halford at telent.com Fri Aug 22 00:36:51 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Fri Aug 22 00:38:07 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gotta havit--(SOT) Message-ID: <20080822073653.AC726156B1E@blade109.la.inty.net> Has anyone on here felt the urge to sign their jukebox No, thought not. So why would Cash sign his? Unless he signs everything. I can see him now sat there on the loo (john to you) signing every sheet just before he uses it. regards Dave H Ron Rich To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent by: cc: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gotta havit--(SOT) etlojix.com 22/08/2008 00:17 Please respond to ronnnrich; Please respond to Jukebox mailing list Hey All, I really "gotta have" ebay # 160 272 205 215 --so if anyone will lend me the money, I PROMISE to pay it back, soon as I sell the bridge, that I have for sale ! Ron Rich _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From dave.halford at telent.com Fri Aug 22 00:46:12 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Fri Aug 22 00:47:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole 45's Message-ID: <20080822074614.858C22BEA8F@blade205.la.inty.net> Ron It's happening on your TV too. The asian girl (british) in ER shouts 'Thats bollocks' at someone the translation is 'thats balls' regards Dave H Ron Rich To: Jukebox mailing list Sent by: cc: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole 45's etlojix.com 21/08/2008 16:50 Please respond to ronnnrich; Please respond to Jukebox mailing list Dave, I have heard that term used here also, but not too often ! (My Grandma used it, as she was from "over there", and she was extreemly good at making suggestive comments, without a lot of people realizing it ).? Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/21/08, dave.halford@telent.com wrote: From: dave.halford@telent.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole 45's To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 12:50 AM A rubber is for removing pencil marks from paper. You 'rub' them out. regards Dave H This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From dave.halford at telent.com Fri Aug 22 01:03:27 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Fri Aug 22 01:04:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole 45's Message-ID: <20080822080328.C4EBD2BEA8F@blade205.la.inty.net> Jay Doesn't 'rooting' mean more than just 'cheering for' if it involves wearing the team colour in some way as well, then in the UK that would be 'which team did he support' regards Dave H Jay Hennigan Sent by: To: Jukebox mailing list jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n cc: etlojix.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole 45's 22/08/2008 01:30 Please respond to Jukebox mailing list Ah, yes, regional slang. It can be interesting. During a vacation to Australia, there was a big sporting event in Sydney, soccer as I recall. When we asked the taxi driver which team he was rooting for, he replied, "In Australia, we don't root for our favorite team. We cheer for them." -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 22 01:19:15 2008 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Fri Aug 22 01:20:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole 45's In-Reply-To: <20080822080328.C4EBD2BEA8F@blade205.la.inty.net> Message-ID: <776196.84422.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> When visiting Australia many years ago, I discovered "rooting" has a comletely different meaning. Gary --- On Fri, 22/8/08, dave.halford@telent.com wrote: > From: dave.halford@telent.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole 45's > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, 22 August, 2008, 9:03 AM > Jay > > Doesn't 'rooting' mean more than just > 'cheering for' if it involves wearing > the team colour in some way as well, then in the UK that > would be 'which > team did he support' > > > regards > > Dave H > > > > > > > > Jay Hennigan > > > Sent by: > To: Jukebox mailing list > > > jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n > cc: > > etlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole > 45's > > > > > > > 22/08/2008 01:30 > > > Please respond to Jukebox > > > mailing list > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, yes, regional slang. It can be interesting. > > During a vacation to Australia, there was a big sporting > event in > Sydney, soccer as I recall. > > When we asked the taxi driver which team he was rooting > for, he replied, > "In Australia, we don't root for our favorite > team. We cheer for them." > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - > jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - > WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY > - > www.maildefender.net > > > > > > > This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and > any > attachments may contain confidential information and/or be > privileged. 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The sender therefore does not accept > liability for any > errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which > arise as a > result of e-mail transmission or for any damage caused by > any virus > transmitted by this email. > > > > > Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY > - www.maildefender.net > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From dave.halford at telent.com Fri Aug 22 01:25:11 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Fri Aug 22 01:26:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole 45's Message-ID: <20080822082512.8DBB3156B59@blade109.la.inty.net> It did here in the late 60's too if you were a teenager. nudge nudge wink wink know what I mean regards Dave H Gary Young To: Jukebox mailing list Sent by: cc: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole 45's etlojix.com 22/08/2008 09:19 Please respond to gazzyoung_uk; Please respond to Jukebox mailing list When visiting Australia many years ago, I discovered "rooting" has a comletely different meaning. Gary --- On Fri, 22/8/08, dave.halford@telent.com wrote: > From: dave.halford@telent.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole 45's > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, 22 August, 2008, 9:03 AM > Jay > > Doesn't 'rooting' mean more than just > 'cheering for' if it involves wearing > the team colour in some way as well, then in the UK that > would be 'which > team did he support' > > > regards > > Dave H > > > > > > > > Jay Hennigan > > > Sent by: > To: Jukebox mailing list > > > jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n > cc: > > etlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole > 45's > > > > > > > 22/08/2008 01:30 > > > Please respond to Jukebox > > > mailing list > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, yes, regional slang. It can be interesting. > > During a vacation to Australia, there was a big sporting > event in > Sydney, soccer as I recall. > > When we asked the taxi driver which team he was rooting > for, he replied, > "In Australia, we don't root for our favorite > team. We cheer for them." > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - > jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - > WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY > - > www.maildefender.net > > > > > > > This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and > any > attachments may contain confidential information and/or be > privileged. 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Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 22 02:46:36 2008 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Fri Aug 22 02:47:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Gotta havit--(SOT) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20080821232130.0097ddac@hsces.com> Message-ID: <59705.48557.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Perhaps he bought it from a boy named Sue.... > > I'll bet he got it "one piece at a time"... > > --Bob > ======================================================================= > Bob Ellingson bobe@halted.com > Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com > 3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573 > Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX) > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Fri Aug 22 03:13:06 2008 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Fri Aug 22 03:14:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole 45's References: <776196.84422.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005201c9043f$ac2a64c0$6401a8c0@Graeme> You are correct Gary. As an Australian I have to answer this. It does have a completely different meaning. It is sexual intercourse. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Young" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole 45's When visiting Australia many years ago, I discovered "rooting" has a comletely different meaning. Gary --- On Fri, 22/8/08, dave.halford@telent.com wrote: > From: dave.halford@telent.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole 45's > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, 22 August, 2008, 9:03 AM > Jay > > Doesn't 'rooting' mean more than just > 'cheering for' if it involves wearing > the team colour in some way as well, then in the UK that > would be 'which > team did he support' > > > regards > > Dave H > > > > > > > > Jay Hennigan > > > Sent by: > To: Jukebox mailing list > > > jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n > cc: > > etlojix.com > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] OT- Words-was- Small Hole > 45's > > > > > > > 22/08/2008 01:30 > > > Please respond to Jukebox > > > mailing list > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, yes, regional slang. It can be interesting. > > During a vacation to Australia, there was a big sporting > event in > Sydney, soccer as I recall. > > When we asked the taxi driver which team he was rooting > for, he replied, > "In Australia, we don't root for our favorite > team. We cheer for them." > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - > jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - > WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY > - > www.maildefender.net > > > > > > > This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and > any > attachments may contain confidential information and/or be > privileged. 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I get some really hard to find parts for my jukeboxes and other stuff there. I am really disappointed sellers can no longer accept anything except Paypal (if I am getting this correct). I think that requirement starts in October. Sounds like a lot of other changes as well are going to take place. Maybe some for the good? Heck we have sent a lot of cash to known sellers and never had a problem; yeah, I know that is dumb! David From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 06:33:20 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Fri Aug 22 06:34:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & The Toys We Bu In-Reply-To: <400237.92681.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <400237.92681.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I didn't receive such an E-mail. Are you sure this is a legit E-mail? It sounds fishy to me. Thomas On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:27 AM, david wendell wrote: > Hi, > > I received an email from Ebay and it sounds as if buyers need to join Ebay > owned Paypal to pay for our purchases on Ebay. I get some really hard to > find parts for my jukeboxes and other stuff there. I am really disappointed > sellers can no longer accept anything except Paypal (if I am getting this > correct). > > I think that requirement starts in October. Sounds like a lot of other > changes as well are going to take place. Maybe some for the good? > > Heck we have sent a lot of cash to known sellers and never had a problem; > yeah, I know that is dumb! > > David > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com From dave.halford at telent.com Fri Aug 22 06:43:28 2008 From: dave.halford at telent.com (dave.halford@telent.com) Date: Fri Aug 22 06:44:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & The Toys We Bu Message-ID: <20080822134325.8EC79AFB2D@blade209.la.inty.net> Hey dave Hope it didn't include a handy link to Paypal via Nigeria regards Dave H "Thomas Teeter" To: dwaw12@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Sent by: cc: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.n Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & The Toys We Bu etlojix.com 22/08/2008 14:33 Please respond to Jukebox mailing list I didn't receive such an E-mail. Are you sure this is a legit E-mail? It sounds fishy to me. Thomas On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:27 AM, david wendell wrote: > Hi, > > I received an email from Ebay and it sounds as if buyers need to join Ebay > owned Paypal to pay for our purchases on Ebay. I get some really hard to > find parts for my jukeboxes and other stuff there. I am really disappointed > sellers can no longer accept anything except Paypal (if I am getting this > correct). > > I think that requirement starts in October. Sounds like a lot of other > changes as well are going to take place. Maybe some for the good? > > Heck we have sent a lot of cash to known sellers and never had a problem; > yeah, I know that is dumb! > > David > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee(s). It and any attachments may contain confidential information and/or be privileged. If you are not the named addressee you should not distribute or copy this e-mail or disclose its content to anyone. Please notify the sender immediately by reply if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of the company. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information can be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission or for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Scanned by MailDefender - managed email security from intY - www.maildefender.net From jukeboxmel at verizon.net Fri Aug 22 08:57:30 2008 From: jukeboxmel at verizon.net (Mel Knight) Date: Fri Aug 22 08:58:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! Message-ID: <6BF61FA9F1A644208335816B3753C387@VistaServer> Hi All!! I received the same E-mail. I went to the Ebay discussion boards and went to the PayPal forum..... Sorry, it's real. Everyone is fired up beyond belief. What a draconian measure to take, to ensure that they get ALL the profit they can out of every transaction.... Mel From steve at pro-ns.net Fri Aug 22 09:10:07 2008 From: steve at pro-ns.net (Steve Wahl) Date: Fri Aug 22 09:11:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & The Toys We Buy In-Reply-To: <400237.92681.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <400237.92681.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080822161007.GB10658@pro-ns.net> I haven't seen similar email, and would normally suspect a hoax. However, so far I've only been a buyer on ebay. I was recently starting to look into selling a few things on ebay, and if I read it right, new sellers must offer paypal as one of their accepted payment forms. (Things I may be selling are OT for this list, e.g. a bass guitar.) --> Steve On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 05:27:38AM -0700, david wendell wrote: > Hi, > > I received an email from Ebay and it sounds as if buyers need to > join Ebay owned Paypal to pay for our purchases on Ebay. I get some > really hard to find parts for my jukeboxes and other stuff there. I > am really disappointed sellers can no longer accept anything except > Paypal (if I am getting this correct). > > I think that requirement starts in October. Sounds like a lot of > other changes as well are going to take place. Maybe some for the > good? > > Heck we have sent a lot of cash to known sellers and never had a > problem; yeah, I know that is dumb! -- Steve Wahl steve@pro-ns.net Good programmers : Microsoft products :: good chefs : McDonalds products From gibson510 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 22 09:23:17 2008 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Fri Aug 22 09:24:22 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-1 Error codes Message-ID: I recently repaired the MCU on an SMC-1 My repairs fixed the original problem but now when I make selections i get error codes in the display, and them mech doesn't move. Neither the service or operations manual defines what these codes represent. Anyone have a list of or know what the code numbers mean? By the way it make no difference if the CPA is in service or normal play mode. Still get error messages in either mode. Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Get thousands of games on your PC, your mobile phone, and the web with Windows?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588800/direct/01/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 10:37:32 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Aug 22 10:38:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-1 Error codes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <878328.95446.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Rick, You are not getting "error codes", as there is no provision made in that MCU for codes. Ron Rich --- On Fri, 8/22/08, rick murray wrote: From: rick murray Subject: [Jukebox-list] SMC-1 Error codes To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 9:23 AM I recently repaired the MCU on an SMC-1 My repairs fixed the original problem but now when I make selections i get error codes in the display, and them mech doesn't move. Neither the service or operations manual defines what these codes represent. Anyone have a list of or know what the code numbers mean? By the way it make no difference if the CPA is in service or normal play mode. Still get error messages in either mode. Thanks! Rick _________________________________________________________________ Get thousands of games on your PC, your mobile phone, and the web with Windows?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588800/direct/01/_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 11:39:15 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Aug 22 11:40:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! In-Reply-To: <6BF61FA9F1A644208335816B3753C387@VistaServer> Message-ID: <735649.33091.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Is there anything else that competes with them??? Perhaps that's the way to go?? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Mel Knight wrote: From: Mel Knight Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 8:57 AM Hi All!! I received the same E-mail. I went to the Ebay discussion boards and went to the PayPal forum..... Sorry, it's real. Everyone is fired up beyond belief. What a draconian measure to take, to ensure that they get ALL the profit they can out of every transaction.... Mel _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 11:55:20 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Fri Aug 22 11:56:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay and Paypal Changes Message-ID: <817724.14851.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone, We have been fooling around with Ebay for more than 10 years and it really is true and even worse, I think. It has caused a bit of comotion around Ebay so they have a special link to a "workshop". Here is that link below. They have a room full of people answering some burning questions. Fees are going up substantially for dealers also, I believe. WOW! Maybe a good thing is misbehaving dealers will get suspended according to what I read. Wish we had a "Jukebay" to sell/auction and most of all buy jukebox parts! http://workshops.ebay.com/forum.jspa?forumID=14000000003&anticache=1219430561726 Copy the whole thing into browser. I am computer dumb so I have no idea why it is such a long address but it is. DAvid Wendell From eccentric.one at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 12:06:57 2008 From: eccentric.one at gmail.com (Jeremy Weiss) Date: Fri Aug 22 12:08:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay and Paypal Changes In-Reply-To: <817724.14851.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <817724.14851.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: How much a demand would you think there would be for a jukebox auction site? >From a technical perspective, it really wouldn't be hard to build one. The hard part would be getting people to use the site rather than using eBay. Just Curious, Jeremy Weiss -- Internet Consultant | Blue Phoenix Consulting, LLC Online Lead Generation & Internet Consulting http://www.BluePhoenixConsulting.com On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:55 PM, david wendell wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > We have been fooling around with Ebay for more than 10 years and it really > is true and even worse, I think. It has caused a bit of comotion around > Ebay so they have a special link to a "workshop". Here is that link below. > > They have a room full of people answering some burning questions. Fees are > going up substantially for dealers also, I believe. WOW! Maybe a good > thing is misbehaving dealers will get suspended according to what I read. > > Wish we had a "Jukebay" to sell/auction and most of all buy jukebox parts! > > > http://workshops.ebay.com/forum.jspa?forumID=14000000003&anticache=1219430561726 > > Copy the whole thing into browser. I am computer dumb so I have no idea > why it is such a long address but it is. > > DAvid Wendell > > > > From drjukebox at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 12:21:19 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Fri Aug 22 12:22:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! In-Reply-To: <6BF61FA9F1A644208335816B3753C387@VistaServer> References: <6BF61FA9F1A644208335816B3753C387@VistaServer> Message-ID: <3154d3690808221221r355b3d9cpe61faebd081dabf6@mail.gmail.com> As a foreigner it would be an improvement if I can stop sending money orders and cash in the mail. Paypal is so convenient. Maybe they could lower the fees huh? Well then again if they get a monopoly maybe they won't. :o/ jens On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Mel Knight wrote: > Hi All!! > > I received the same E-mail. I went to the Ebay discussion boards > and went to the PayPal forum..... Sorry, it's real. Everyone is fired up > beyond belief. What a draconian measure to take, to ensure that they get ALL > the profit they can out of every transaction.... Mel > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 13:28:02 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Fri Aug 22 13:29:08 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! In-Reply-To: <3154d3690808221221r355b3d9cpe61faebd081dabf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <6BF61FA9F1A644208335816B3753C387@VistaServer> <3154d3690808221221r355b3d9cpe61faebd081dabf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It has been awhile since I was an active seller, but when I was active, I ONLY accepted Paypal or a US POSTAL moneyorder. Or in the case of an item picked up in person, I would naturally accept CASH. This was just because of my PERSONAL preference, not because Paypal was mandated by Ebay. This development bothers me as I was about to start actively listing again. I do NOT think Ebay should mandate ANY form of payment- ESPECIALLY one owned by them. I guess my solution is going to jack up my shipping/handling fees by about 5 bucks and offer a $5 discount for cash or US Postal moneyorder. Or more than likely, I just won't bother taking my time to list alot of items. This is sad too, because alot of stuff will eventually find its way to the landfill.... :( Thomas On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Jens Hultgren wrote: > As a foreigner it would be an improvement if I can stop sending money > orders > and cash in the mail. Paypal is so convenient. > > Maybe they could lower the fees huh? > > Well then again if they get a monopoly maybe they won't. > > :o/ jens > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Mel Knight > wrote: > > > Hi All!! > > > > I received the same E-mail. I went to the Ebay discussion boards > > and went to the PayPal forum..... Sorry, it's real. Everyone is fired up > > beyond belief. What a draconian measure to take, to ensure that they get > ALL > > the profit they can out of every transaction.... Mel > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Aug 22 14:28:00 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Aug 22 14:29:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <256243.33653.qm@web54605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thomas.. instead of landfill offer job lots.. when I am buying that i how I buy as it is more economically sound for me. There is another site out there that has modeled themselves after Ebay called Wagglepop. Although Ebay seems to be the standard. When I sell off stuff I also list in lots. I do agree that Ebay is Monopolising the way they make money an not giving any choices to the sellers (which wel= all know is Ebays bread and butter). I have recently sellers seling off a lot of Capacitors and charge a rediculous shipping charge and in that case I find myself not buying them.. ? Well that's my two cents worth. ? Regards, Tony --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, August 22, 2008, 4:28 PM It has been awhile since I was an active seller, but when I was active, I ONLY accepted Paypal or a US POSTAL moneyorder. Or in the case of an item picked up in person, I would naturally accept CASH. This was just because of my PERSONAL preference, not because Paypal was mandated by Ebay. This development bothers me as I was about to start actively listing again. I do NOT think Ebay should mandate ANY form of payment- ESPECIALLY one owned by them. I guess my solution is going to jack up my shipping/handling fees by about 5 bucks and offer a $5 discount for cash or US Postal moneyorder. Or more than likely, I just won't bother taking my time to list alot of items. This is sad too, because alot of stuff will eventually find its way to the landfill.... :( Thomas On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Jens Hultgren wrote: > As a foreigner it would be an improvement if I can stop sending money > orders > and cash in the mail. Paypal is so convenient. > > Maybe they could lower the fees huh? > > Well then again if they get a monopoly maybe they won't. > > :o/ jens > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Mel Knight > wrote: > > > Hi All!! > > > > I received the same E-mail. I went to the Ebay discussion boards > > and went to the PayPal forum..... Sorry, it's real. Everyone is fired up > > beyond belief. What a draconian measure to take, to ensure that they get > ALL > > the profit they can out of every transaction.... Mel > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 14:28:53 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Fri Aug 22 14:29:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <239767.90966.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thomas, If I understand it correctly a seller will not be allowed to offer any form of payment option except Paypal. If that is correct I wonder when American money suddenly became an invalid form of legal tender. Ebay just did the Payal thing in Australia and that governmaent said No! No! Good for them! If you decide to list parts for auction and decide against Ebay maybe one of the other sites would work. David --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Thomas Teeter wrote: > From: Thomas Teeter > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 2:28 PM > It has been awhile since I was an active seller, but when I > was active, I > ONLY accepted Paypal or a US POSTAL moneyorder. Or in the > case of an item > picked up in person, I would naturally accept CASH. This > was just because of > my PERSONAL preference, not because Paypal was mandated by > Ebay. This > development bothers me as I was about to start actively > listing again. I do > NOT think Ebay should mandate ANY form of payment- > ESPECIALLY one owned by > them. I guess my solution is going to jack up my > shipping/handling fees by > about 5 bucks and offer a $5 discount for cash or US Postal > moneyorder. Or > more than likely, I just won't bother taking my time to > list alot of items. > This is sad too, because alot of stuff will eventually find > its way to the > landfill.... :( > > Thomas > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Jens Hultgren > wrote: > > > As a foreigner it would be an improvement if I can > stop sending money > > orders > > and cash in the mail. Paypal is so convenient. > > > > Maybe they could lower the fees huh? > > > > Well then again if they get a monopoly maybe they > won't. > > > > :o/ jens > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Mel Knight > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi All!! > > > > > > I received the same E-mail. I went to > the Ebay discussion boards > > > and went to the PayPal forum..... Sorry, it's > real. Everyone is fired up > > > beyond belief. What a draconian measure to take, > to ensure that they get > > ALL > > > the profit they can out of every transaction.... > Mel > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Aug 22 14:30:28 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Aug 22 14:31:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! In-Reply-To: <3154d3690808221221r355b3d9cpe61faebd081dabf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <845166.66310.qm@web54603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Don't hold your breath on that one Jen's... Ebay giving a deaL?? I don't think so. even thought the ecomony has been really bad they just jack up the rpices as they see fit with not break to the sellers I notice more and more people going to Criags list and Kijiji but kijiji is unfair as is Pay-Pal and Ebay.. they are all owned by Ebay. ? Regards, Tony --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: From: Jens Hultgren Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, August 22, 2008, 3:21 PM As a foreigner it would be an improvement if I can stop sending money orders and cash in the mail. Paypal is so convenient. Maybe they could lower the fees huh? Well then again if they get a monopoly maybe they won't. :o/ jens On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Mel Knight wrote: > Hi All!! > > I received the same E-mail. I went to the Ebay discussion boards > and went to the PayPal forum..... Sorry, it's real. Everyone is fired up > beyond belief. What a draconian measure to take, to ensure that they get ALL > the profit they can out of every transaction.... Mel > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 14:43:49 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Fri Aug 22 14:44:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! In-Reply-To: <845166.66310.qm@web54603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <3154d3690808221221r355b3d9cpe61faebd081dabf6@mail.gmail.com> <845166.66310.qm@web54603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm thinking more and more that Craigslist is the best way to offer your jukes and other stuff. Offer there first and search for other sources if it doesn't sell after a couple of listings. It is free to start with, and there are no "final listing" fees. I just sold a $600 snack machine today from an Austin, TX area Craigslist ad I placed about 3 or 4 days ago. Another deal is pending on a soda machine from the same ad. Buyer of the snack machine is on his way with CASH. It is also a great place to look for jukeboxes, pinball machines, etc. I check several Craigslist areas daily. That is how I have picked up several deals. Thomas On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > Don't hold your breath on that one Jen's... Ebay giving a deaL?? I don't > think so. even thought the ecomony has been really bad they just jack up the > rpices as they see fit with not break to the sellers I notice more and more > people going to Criags list and Kijiji but kijiji is unfair as is Pay-Pal > and Ebay.. they are all owned by Ebay. > > Regards, Tony > > --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > > From: Jens Hultgren > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Received: Friday, August 22, 2008, 3:21 PM > > As a foreigner it would be an improvement if I can stop sending money > orders > and cash in the mail. Paypal is so convenient. > > Maybe they could lower the fees huh? > > Well then again if they get a monopoly maybe they won't. > > :o/ jens > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Mel Knight > wrote: > > > Hi All!! > > > > I received the same E-mail. I went to the Ebay discussion boards > > and went to the PayPal forum..... Sorry, it's real. Everyone is fired > up > > beyond belief. What a draconian measure to take, to ensure that they get > ALL > > the profit they can out of every transaction.... Mel > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! > Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com From drjukebox at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 15:34:11 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Fri Aug 22 15:35:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! In-Reply-To: References: <3154d3690808221221r355b3d9cpe61faebd081dabf6@mail.gmail.com> <845166.66310.qm@web54603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690808221534j1f442f29i1bda829a5e8b3b58@mail.gmail.com> Craigslist is great - but is there some kind of special search engine available for it? It is really cumbersome to search one city at a time. One reason ebay is going Paypal could be to put an end to the massive scams that are going on all the time. Perhaps they can start doing something about it if they can control the money. Just a thought. I saw an auction for a Rolatop slot machine that was definitely fake (seller in the US, machine in England, 50 USD shipping....) I put in a stop bid for 6,666 and thought noone would top it - but an Austrian guy did - so I warned him and he realized he was being scammed. Then I had a "second chance offer" - and this seller actually gave me a name, a street adress and a bank account to wire the money to. Are they that confident they can get away with it? Jens On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Thomas Teeter wrote: > I'm thinking more and more that Craigslist is the best way to offer your > jukes and other stuff. Offer there first and search for other sources if it > doesn't sell after a couple of listings. It is free to start with, and > there > are no "final listing" fees. I just sold a $600 snack machine today from an > Austin, TX area Craigslist ad I placed about 3 or 4 days ago. Another deal > is pending on a soda machine from the same ad. Buyer of the snack machine > is > on his way with CASH. It is also a great place to look for jukeboxes, > pinball machines, etc. I check several Craigslist areas daily. That is how > I > have picked up several deals. > > Thomas > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Lala Blah Blah >wrote: > > > Don't hold your breath on that one Jen's... Ebay giving a deaL?? I don't > > think so. even thought the ecomony has been really bad they just jack up > the > > rpices as they see fit with not break to the sellers I notice more and > more > > people going to Criags list and Kijiji but kijiji is unfair as is Pay-Pal > > and Ebay.. they are all owned by Ebay. > > > > Regards, Tony > > > > --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > > > > From: Jens Hultgren > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Received: Friday, August 22, 2008, 3:21 PM > > > > As a foreigner it would be an improvement if I can stop sending money > > orders > > and cash in the mail. Paypal is so convenient. > > > > Maybe they could lower the fees huh? > > > > Well then again if they get a monopoly maybe they won't. > > > > :o/ jens > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Mel Knight > > wrote: > > > > > Hi All!! > > > > > > I received the same E-mail. I went to the Ebay discussion > boards > > > and went to the PayPal forum..... Sorry, it's real. Everyone is fired > > up > > > beyond belief. What a draconian measure to take, to ensure that they > get > > ALL > > > the profit they can out of every transaction.... Mel > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new > Yahoo! > > Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 15:45:01 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri Aug 22 15:46:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! In-Reply-To: <3154d3690808221221r355b3d9cpe61faebd081dabf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49596.27690.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > As a foreigner it would be an improvement if I can stop > sending money orders > and cash in the mail. Paypal is so convenient. Well, here's a tale from The Dark Side of Pay Pal... :-) I established a pay pal account when I bought something from a seller who would only accept pay pal. He took months to ship the item (and claimed he had sent it multiple times. Finally I gave up and put bad feedback on him and he became irate and sent me emails about how cruel I was *knowing* that his wife is dieing. All kinds of BS. He finally sent me the item (a CBS logo on film that I paid all of $8 for). But pay pal would do *nothing* to help me resolve this because I waited to report him after their fraud cutoff which was something like one week after the sale. Most merchandise, even when shipped promptly, does not arrive in less than a week. The impression I got from this is that their fraud service is a sham and they don't care about their customers once they collect their transaction fee. I think I've used pay pal once in the three years since. I'm not impressed with their customer service model. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 15:52:52 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Aug 22 15:53:59 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay and Paypal Changes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <482553.46101.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jeremy, Not a high enuff demand, I would think---Ron Rich --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Jeremy Weiss wrote: From: Jeremy Weiss Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay and Paypal Changes To: dwaw12@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 12:06 PM How much a demand would you think there would be for a jukebox auction site? >From a technical perspective, it really wouldn't be hard to build one. The hard part would be getting people to use the site rather than using eBay. Just Curious, Jeremy Weiss -- Internet Consultant | Blue Phoenix Consulting, LLC Online Lead Generation & Internet Consulting http://www.BluePhoenixConsulting.com On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:55 PM, david wendell wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > We have been fooling around with Ebay for more than 10 years and it really > is true and even worse, I think. It has caused a bit of comotion around > Ebay so they have a special link to a "workshop". Here is that link below. > > They have a room full of people answering some burning questions. Fees are > going up substantially for dealers also, I believe. WOW! Maybe a good > thing is misbehaving dealers will get suspended according to what I read. > > Wish we had a "Jukebay" to sell/auction and most of all buy jukebox parts! > > > http://workshops.ebay.com/forum.jspa?forumID=14000000003&anticache=1219430561726 > > Copy the whole thing into browser. I am computer dumb so I have no idea > why it is such a long address but it is. > > DAvid Wendell > > > > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Fri Aug 22 15:55:48 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Aug 22 15:56:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! In-Reply-To: <49596.27690.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <49596.27690.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48AF43F4.8050700@telus.net> David Breneman wrote: > --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > > >> As a foreigner it would be an improvement if I can stop >> sending money orders >> and cash in the mail. Paypal is so convenient. >> > > Well, here's a tale from The Dark Side of Pay Pal... :-) > > I established a pay pal account when I bought something from > a seller who would only accept pay pal. He took months to > ship the item (and claimed he had sent it multiple times. > Finally I gave up and put bad feedback on him and he became > irate and sent me emails about how cruel I was *knowing* > that his wife is dieing. All kinds of BS. He finally sent > me the item (a CBS logo on film that I paid all of $8 for). > But pay pal would do *nothing* to help me resolve this because > I waited to report him after their fraud cutoff which was > something like one week after the sale. Most merchandise, > even when shipped promptly, does not arrive in less than a > week. The impression I got from this is that their fraud > service is a sham and they don't care about their customers > once they collect their transaction fee. I think I've used > pay pal once in the three years since. I'm not impressed with > their customer service model. > I've used PayPal for years and have not too many problems with it - other than a fraud that was purpotrated on me by a customer using a credit card to pay for an expensive item through PayPal and then waiting past the PayPal notification date (but not the credit card) to dispute the claim. Their credit card company reversed the payment to PayPal and PayPal went after me. The customer is now under police investigation for fraud - it is getting interesting! PayPal has a 90 day period to file a complaint about non-delivery, etc. Perhaps that is the deadline you missed? John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From edbap at aol.com Fri Aug 22 15:54:40 2008 From: edbap at aol.com (Ed Baptista) Date: Fri Aug 22 16:01:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! In-Reply-To: <3154d3690808221534j1f442f29i1bda829a5e8b3b58@mail.gmail.com> References: <3154d3690808221221r355b3d9cpe61faebd081dabf6@mail.gmail.com> <845166.66310.qm@web54603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3154d3690808221534j1f442f29i1bda829a5e8b3b58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CAD2C1319E96CA-188-FC6@webmail-nb05.sysops.aol.com> Craigslist is not without its scams.? I have seen multiple ads here for nice jukeboxes, 1015s and a Filbin, and muscle cars with great pics that are stolen from other ads. The seller/scam artist usually posts a very low price, like $2500 for a fully restored Wurltzer, then explains how he is out of town, and wants you to wire the money to what he calls an "escrow company".? When you google the name of the escrow company, it tells you its not a real company, and is used for illegal scams.? I have bought and sold on both platforms, Ebay and Craigslist.? I don't feel that craigslist is very well monitored, and if ebay goes away, or if there is a huge wave of buyers/sellers moveing from Ebay to craigslist, we will see the? number is scams multiply.? Buyer Beware will have a new meaning.....Just my two cents worth.... Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: Jens Hultgren To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 3:34 pm Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! Craigslist is great - but is there some kind of special search engine available for it? It is really cumbersome to search one city at a time. One reason ebay is going Paypal could be to put an end to the massive scams that are going on all the time. Perhaps they can start doing something about it if they can control the money. Just a thought. I saw an auction for a Rolatop slot machine that was definitely fake (seller in the US, machine in England, 50 USD shipping....) I put in a stop bid for 6,666 and thought noone would top it - but an Austrian guy did - so I warned him and he realized he was being scammed. Then I had a "second chance offer" - and this seller actually gave me a name, a street adress and a bank account to wire the money to. Are they that confident they can get away with it? Jens On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Thomas Teeter wrote: > I'm thinking more and more that Craigslist is the best way to offer your > jukes and other stuff. Offer there first and search for other sources if it > doesn't sell after a couple of listings. It is free to start with, and > there > are no "final listing" fees. I just sold a $600 snack machine today from an > Austin, TX area Craigslist ad I placed about 3 or 4 days ago. Another deal > is pending on a soda machine from the same ad. Buyer of the snack machine > is > on his way with CASH. It is also a great place to look for jukeboxes, > pinball machines, etc. I check several Craigslist areas daily. That is how > I > have picked up several deals. > > Thomas > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Lala Blah Blah >wrote: > > > Don't hold your breath on that one Jen's... Ebay giving a deaL?? I don't > > think so. even thought the ecomony has been really bad they just jack up > the > > rpices as they see fit with not break to the sellers I notice more and > more > > people going to Criags list and Kijiji but kijiji is unfair as is Pay-Pal > > and Ebay.. they are all owned by Ebay. > > > > Regards, Tony > > > > --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > > > > From: Jens Hultgren > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > Received: Friday, August 22, 2008, 3:21 PM > > > > As a foreigner it would be an improvement if I can stop sending money > > orders > > and cash in the mail. Paypal is so convenient. > > > > Maybe they could lower the fees huh? > > > > Well then again if they get a monopoly maybe they won't. > > > > :o/ jens > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Mel Knight > > wrote: > > > > > Hi All!! > > > > > > I received the same E-mail. I went to the Ebay discussion > boards > > > and went to the PayPal forum..... Sorry, it's real. Everyone is fired > > up > > > beyond belief. What a draconian measure to take, to ensure that they > get > > ALL > > > the profit they can out of every transaction.... Mel > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new > Yahoo! > > Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listi nfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 16:00:59 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Fri Aug 22 16:02:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! In-Reply-To: <3154d3690808221534j1f442f29i1bda829a5e8b3b58@mail.gmail.com> References: <3154d3690808221221r355b3d9cpe61faebd081dabf6@mail.gmail.com> <845166.66310.qm@web54603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3154d3690808221534j1f442f29i1bda829a5e8b3b58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jens, I do not know of a special search engine for Craigslist, but to save me time, I always keep several open Internet Explorer windows- one window for each type item I'm interested in (mainly pinball and jukeboxes) in every city covered by Craigslist within 200 miles of me. Each day or more often, I open each window, hit the refresh button and can quickly spot any new entry. I'm sure there is an easier way, but this works best for me. Thomas On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Jens Hultgren wrote: > Craigslist is great - but is there some kind of special search engine > available for it? It is really cumbersome to search one city at a time. > From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 16:17:34 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Fri Aug 22 16:18:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! In-Reply-To: <8CAD2C1319E96CA-188-FC6@webmail-nb05.sysops.aol.com> References: <3154d3690808221221r355b3d9cpe61faebd081dabf6@mail.gmail.com> <845166.66310.qm@web54603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3154d3690808221534j1f442f29i1bda829a5e8b3b58@mail.gmail.com> <8CAD2C1319E96CA-188-FC6@webmail-nb05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Craigslist has a great page regarding scams if you click on the link. Here is the first (and most important) paragraph... *Avoiding scams and fraud Personal Safety Tips **craigslist help forum* You can sidestep would-be scammers by following these common-sense rules: - *DEAL LOCALLY WITH FOLKS YOU CAN MEET IN PERSON* - follow this one simple rule and you will avoid 99% of the scam attempts on craigslist. - *NEVER WIRE FUNDS VIA WESTERN UNION, MONEYGRAM* or any other wire service - anyone who asks you to do so is a scammer. - *FAKE CASHIER CHECKS & MONEY ORDERS ARE COMMON*, and *BANKS WILL CASH THEM AND THEN HOLD YOU RESPONSIBLE* when the fake is discovered weeks later. - *CRAIGSLIST IS NOT INVOLVED IN ANY TRANSACTION*, and does not handle payments, guarantee transactions, provide escrow services, or offer "buyer protection" or "seller certification" - *NEVER GIVE OUT FINANCIAL INFORMATION* (bank account number, social security number, eBay/PayPal info, etc.) - *AVOID DEALS INVOLVING SHIPPING OR ESCROW SERVICES* and know that *ONLY A SCAMMER WILL "GUARANTEE" YOUR TRANSACTION.* A side note to sellers, gladly accept US POSTAL moneyorders. Just be sure you are able to go to the Post Office before releasing the merchandise. The good thing about US POSTAL moneyorders is that they can be verified on the spot as valid and (best part) CASHED out at the Post Office at the same time. That is why I only accepted US POSTAL moneyorders as opposed to any other form of payment. Thomas On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Ed Baptista wrote: > Craigslist is not without its scams.? I have seen multiple ads here for > nice jukeboxes, 1015s and a Filbin, and muscle cars with great pics that are > stolen from other ads. The seller/scam artist usually posts a very low > price, like $2500 for a fully restored Wurltzer, then explains how he is out > of town, and wants you to wire the money to what he calls an "escrow > company".? When you google the name of the escrow company, it tells you its > not a real company, and is used for illegal scams.? I have bought and sold > on both platforms, Ebay and Craigslist.? I don't feel that craigslist is > very well monitored, and if ebay goes away, or if there is a huge wave of > buyers/sellers moveing from Ebay to craigslist, we will see the? number is > scams multiply.? Buyer Beware will have a new meaning.....Just my two cents > worth.... > > > Eddie Baptista > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jens Hultgren > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 3:34 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! > > > > Craigslist is great - but is there some kind of special search engine > available for it? It is really cumbersome to search one city at a time. > > One reason ebay is going Paypal could be to put an end to the massive scams > that are going on all the time. Perhaps they can start doing something > about > it if they can control the money. Just a thought. > > I saw an auction for a Rolatop slot machine that was definitely fake > (seller > in the US, machine in England, 50 USD shipping....) > I put in a stop bid for 6,666 and thought noone would top it - but an > Austrian guy did - so I warned him and he realized he was being scammed. > Then I had a "second chance offer" - and this seller actually gave me a > name, a street adress and a bank account to wire the money to. Are they > that > confident they can get away with it? > > Jens > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Thomas Teeter > wrote: > > > I'm thinking more and more that Craigslist is the best way to offer your > > jukes and other stuff. Offer there first and search for other sources if > it > > doesn't sell after a couple of listings. It is free to start with, and > > there > > are no "final listing" fees. I just sold a $600 snack machine today from > an > > Austin, TX area Craigslist ad I placed about 3 or 4 days ago. Another > deal > > is pending on a soda machine from the same ad. Buyer of the snack machine > > is > > on his way with CASH. It is also a great place to look for jukeboxes, > > pinball machines, etc. I check several Craigslist areas daily. That is > how > > I > > have picked up several deals. > > > > Thomas > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Lala Blah Blah > >wrote: > > > > > Don't hold your breath on that one Jen's... Ebay giving a deaL?? I > don't > > > think so. even thought the ecomony has been really bad they just jack > up > > the > > > rpices as they see fit with not break to the sellers I notice more and > > more > > > people going to Criags list and Kijiji but kijiji is unfair as is > Pay-Pal > > > and Ebay.. they are all owned by Ebay. > > > > > > Regards, Tony > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > > > > > > From: Jens Hultgren > > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! > > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > > Received: Friday, August 22, 2008, 3:21 PM > > > > > > As a foreigner it would be an improvement if I can stop sending money > > > orders > > > and cash in the mail. Paypal is so convenient. > > > > > > Maybe they could lower the fees huh? > > > > > > Well then again if they get a monopoly maybe they won't. > > > > > > :o/ jens > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Mel Knight > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All!! > > > > > > > > I received the same E-mail. I went to the Ebay discussion > > boards > > > > and went to the PayPal forum..... Sorry, it's real. Everyone is fired > > > up > > > > beyond belief. What a draconian measure to take, to ensure that they > > get > > > ALL > > > > the profit they can out of every transaction.... Mel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new > > Yahoo! > > > Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Thomas Teeter > > absolutelygreatgames.com > > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listi > nfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com From drjukebox at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 16:21:34 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Fri Aug 22 16:22:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy In-Reply-To: <49596.27690.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3154d3690808221221r355b3d9cpe61faebd081dabf6@mail.gmail.com> <49596.27690.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690808221621l11216b5eo7a8ed22db2a64519@mail.gmail.com> I have read the horror stories. In real life it works rather well - the only objection could come from the seller who has to pay the fee, but also may get paid within minutes after the auction close. That possibility makes both seller confident that the deal wil be done. I have had money refunded by Paypal twice after sellers turned out to be bad. What kind of protection do you get with money orders or sending cash? You have 45 days to file a dispute, and another 20 to escalate to a claim (usually after seller hasn't responded properly to the file dispute). That's more than enough. I can't see how a monopoly situation could be benificial to consumers, but so far I have no beef with Paypal. Jens On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:45 AM, David Breneman wrote: > > --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > > > As a foreigner it would be an improvement if I can stop > > sending money orders > > and cash in the mail. Paypal is so convenient. > > Well, here's a tale from The Dark Side of Pay Pal... :-) > > I established a pay pal account when I bought something from > a seller who would only accept pay pal. He took months to > ship the item (and claimed he had sent it multiple times. > Finally I gave up and put bad feedback on him and he became > irate and sent me emails about how cruel I was *knowing* > that his wife is dieing. All kinds of BS. He finally sent > me the item (a CBS logo on film that I paid all of $8 for). > But pay pal would do *nothing* to help me resolve this because > I waited to report him after their fraud cutoff which was > something like one week after the sale. Most merchandise, > even when shipped promptly, does not arrive in less than a > week. The impression I got from this is that their fraud > service is a sham and they don't care about their customers > once they collect their transaction fee. I think I've used > pay pal once in the three years since. I'm not impressed with > their customer service model. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From drjukebox at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 16:25:27 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Fri Aug 22 16:26:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! In-Reply-To: References: <3154d3690808221221r355b3d9cpe61faebd081dabf6@mail.gmail.com> <845166.66310.qm@web54603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3154d3690808221534j1f442f29i1bda829a5e8b3b58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690808221625l705c030cvee245deb1b8c1937@mail.gmail.com> That sounds cumbersome to me ;o) have too many windows open already On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Thomas Teeter wrote: > Jens, I do not know of a special search engine for Craigslist, but to save > me time, I always keep several open Internet Explorer windows- one window > for each type item I'm interested in (mainly pinball and jukeboxes) in > every > city covered by Craigslist within 200 miles of me. Each day or more often, > I > open each window, hit the refresh button and can quickly spot any new > entry. > I'm sure there is an easier way, but this works best for me. > > Thomas > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Jens Hultgren > wrote: > > > Craigslist is great - but is there some kind of special search engine > > available for it? It is really cumbersome to search one city at a time. > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 16:27:25 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Aug 22 16:28:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <151340.38432.qm@web55814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi All, I have a problem cashing Postal Money orders here. Almost anytime I try to cash one, they tell me "we don't have that much cash--come back in an hour, or two, and we will save some cash up for you". FYI, as was mentioned earlier, Craigsthingy is an EBay owned company ! Ron Rich --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 4:17 PM Craigslist has a great page regarding scams if you click on the link. Here is the first (and most important) paragraph... *Avoiding scams and fraud Personal Safety Tips **craigslist help forum* You can sidestep would-be scammers by following these common-sense rules: - *DEAL LOCALLY WITH FOLKS YOU CAN MEET IN PERSON* - follow this one simple rule and you will avoid 99% of the scam attempts on craigslist. - *NEVER WIRE FUNDS VIA WESTERN UNION, MONEYGRAM* or any other wire service - anyone who asks you to do so is a scammer. - *FAKE CASHIER CHECKS & MONEY ORDERS ARE COMMON*, and *BANKS WILL CASH THEM AND THEN HOLD YOU RESPONSIBLE* when the fake is discovered weeks later. - *CRAIGSLIST IS NOT INVOLVED IN ANY TRANSACTION*, and does not handle payments, guarantee transactions, provide escrow services, or offer "buyer protection" or "seller certification" - *NEVER GIVE OUT FINANCIAL INFORMATION* (bank account number, social security number, eBay/PayPal info, etc.) - *AVOID DEALS INVOLVING SHIPPING OR ESCROW SERVICES* and know that *ONLY A SCAMMER WILL "GUARANTEE" YOUR TRANSACTION.* A side note to sellers, gladly accept US POSTAL moneyorders. Just be sure you are able to go to the Post Office before releasing the merchandise. The good thing about US POSTAL moneyorders is that they can be verified on the spot as valid and (best part) CASHED out at the Post Office at the same time. That is why I only accepted US POSTAL moneyorders as opposed to any other form of payment. Thomas On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Ed Baptista wrote: > Craigslist is not without its scams.? I have seen multiple ads here for > nice jukeboxes, 1015s and a Filbin, and muscle cars with great pics that are > stolen from other ads. The seller/scam artist usually posts a very low > price, like $2500 for a fully restored Wurltzer, then explains how he is out > of town, and wants you to wire the money to what he calls an "escrow > company".? When you google the name of the escrow company, it tells you its > not a real company, and is used for illegal scams.? I have bought and sold > on both platforms, Ebay and Craigslist.? I don't feel that craigslist is > very well monitored, and if ebay goes away, or if there is a huge wave of > buyers/sellers moveing from Ebay to craigslist, we will see the? number is > scams multiply.? Buyer Beware will have a new meaning.....Just my two cents > worth.... > > > Eddie Baptista > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jens Hultgren > To: Jukebox mailing list > Sent: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 3:34 pm > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! > > > > Craigslist is great - but is there some kind of special search engine > available for it? It is really cumbersome to search one city at a time. > > One reason ebay is going Paypal could be to put an end to the massive scams > that are going on all the time. Perhaps they can start doing something > about > it if they can control the money. Just a thought. > > I saw an auction for a Rolatop slot machine that was definitely fake > (seller > in the US, machine in England, 50 USD shipping....) > I put in a stop bid for 6,666 and thought noone would top it - but an > Austrian guy did - so I warned him and he realized he was being scammed. > Then I had a "second chance offer" - and this seller actually gave me a > name, a street adress and a bank account to wire the money to. Are they > that > confident they can get away with it? > > Jens > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Thomas Teeter > wrote: > > > I'm thinking more and more that Craigslist is the best way to offer your > > jukes and other stuff. Offer there first and search for other sources if > it > > doesn't sell after a couple of listings. It is free to start with, and > > there > > are no "final listing" fees. I just sold a $600 snack machine today from > an > > Austin, TX area Craigslist ad I placed about 3 or 4 days ago. Another > deal > > is pending on a soda machine from the same ad. Buyer of the snack machine > > is > > on his way with CASH. It is also a great place to look for jukeboxes, > > pinball machines, etc. I check several Craigslist areas daily. That is > how > > I > > have picked up several deals. > > > > Thomas > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Lala Blah Blah > >wrote: > > > > > Don't hold your breath on that one Jen's... Ebay giving a deaL?? I > don't > > > think so. even thought the ecomony has been really bad they just jack > up > > the > > > rpices as they see fit with not break to the sellers I notice more and > > more > > > people going to Criags list and Kijiji but kijiji is unfair as is > Pay-Pal > > > and Ebay.. they are all owned by Ebay. > > > > > > Regards, Tony > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > > > > > > From: Jens Hultgren > > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! > > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > > Received: Friday, August 22, 2008, 3:21 PM > > > > > > As a foreigner it would be an improvement if I can stop sending money > > > orders > > > and cash in the mail. Paypal is so convenient. > > > > > > Maybe they could lower the fees huh? > > > > > > Well then again if they get a monopoly maybe they won't. > > > > > > :o/ jens > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Mel Knight > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All!! > > > > > > > > I received the same E-mail. I went to the Ebay discussion > > boards > > > > and went to the PayPal forum..... Sorry, it's real. Everyone is fired > > > up > > > > beyond belief. What a draconian measure to take, to ensure that they > > get > > > ALL > > > > the profit they can out of every transaction.... Mel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new > > Yahoo! > > > Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Thomas Teeter > > absolutelygreatgames.com > > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listi > nfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > -- Thomas Teeter absolutelygreatgames.com E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeffzurn at cox.net Fri Aug 22 16:42:13 2008 From: jeffzurn at cox.net (Jeff Zurn) Date: Fri Aug 22 16:43:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! References: <151340.38432.qm@web55814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c904b0$b43f1cc0$0301a8c0@ZURNT60> I 'phish' those phoney looking Craigslist Ads for jukeboxes in my area (SW US) with an 'Is your jukebox still available?' email. When I get the 'standard' 'Yes, but I'm in Canada (or UK, or wherever) and I'm using (insert name of money laundering service) to take care of the transaction...blah blah blah' I report it to fraud@craigslist.org , with the listing number and a copy of the response from the scammer, requesting removal of the ad. CL responds quickly and the ad is usually gone within an hour of my report. btw... when I get a legitimate response from the seller I'm either a buyer *wink*, or I respond in kind thanking them for posting their REAL ad. I further explain that I am weeding out the too numerous fraudulant ads. I usually get a 'thank you' in return. It may seem a small amount of work to do... but I take some pride in keeping my little corner of CL clean of scammers. Jeff Zurn Arizona Jukebox Company ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Rich" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! > Hi All, > I have a problem cashing Postal Money orders here. Almost anytime I try to > cash one, they tell me "we don't have that much cash--come back in an > hour, or two, and we will save some cash up for you". > FYI, as was mentioned earlier, Craigsthingy is an EBay owned company ! > Ron Rich > > --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Thomas Teeter wrote: > > From: Thomas Teeter > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 4:17 PM > > Craigslist has a great page regarding scams if you click on the link. Here > is the first (and most important) paragraph... > > > *Avoiding scams and fraud Personal Safety > Tips > **craigslist help forum* > > You can sidestep would-be scammers by following these common-sense rules: > > - *DEAL LOCALLY WITH FOLKS YOU CAN MEET IN PERSON* - follow this one > simple rule and you will avoid 99% of the scam attempts on craigslist. > > - *NEVER WIRE FUNDS VIA WESTERN UNION, MONEYGRAM* or any other wire > service - anyone who asks you to do so is a scammer. > > - *FAKE CASHIER CHECKS & MONEY ORDERS ARE COMMON*, and *BANKS WILL CASH > THEM AND THEN HOLD YOU RESPONSIBLE* when the fake is discovered weeks > later. > > - *CRAIGSLIST IS NOT INVOLVED IN ANY TRANSACTION*, and does not handle > payments, guarantee transactions, provide escrow services, or offer > "buyer > protection" or "seller certification" > > - *NEVER GIVE OUT FINANCIAL INFORMATION* (bank account number, social > security number, eBay/PayPal info, etc.) > > - *AVOID DEALS INVOLVING SHIPPING OR ESCROW SERVICES* and know that > *ONLY > A SCAMMER WILL "GUARANTEE" YOUR TRANSACTION.* > > > > A side note to sellers, gladly accept US POSTAL moneyorders. Just be sure > you are able to go to the Post Office before releasing the merchandise. > The > good thing about US POSTAL moneyorders is that they can be verified on the > spot as valid and (best part) CASHED out at the Post Office at the same > time. That is why I only accepted US POSTAL moneyorders as opposed to any > other form of payment. > > Thomas > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Ed Baptista wrote: > >> Craigslist is not without its scams.? I have seen multiple ads here for >> nice jukeboxes, 1015s and a Filbin, and muscle cars with great pics that > are >> stolen from other ads. The seller/scam artist usually posts a very low >> price, like $2500 for a fully restored Wurltzer, then explains how he is > out >> of town, and wants you to wire the money to what he calls an "escrow >> company".? When you google the name of the escrow company, it tells > you its >> not a real company, and is used for illegal scams.? I have bought and >> sold >> on both platforms, Ebay and Craigslist.? I don't feel that craigslist > is >> very well monitored, and if ebay goes away, or if there is a huge wave of >> buyers/sellers moveing from Ebay to craigslist, we will see the? number >> is >> scams multiply.? Buyer Beware will have a new meaning.....Just my two > cents >> worth.... >> >> >> Eddie Baptista >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jens Hultgren >> To: Jukebox mailing list >> Sent: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 3:34 pm >> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! >> >> >> >> Craigslist is great - but is there some kind of special search engine >> available for it? It is really cumbersome to search one city at a time. >> >> One reason ebay is going Paypal could be to put an end to the massive > scams >> that are going on all the time. Perhaps they can start doing something >> about >> it if they can control the money. Just a thought. >> >> I saw an auction for a Rolatop slot machine that was definitely fake >> (seller >> in the US, machine in England, 50 USD shipping....) >> I put in a stop bid for 6,666 and thought noone would top it - but an >> Austrian guy did - so I warned him and he realized he was being scammed. >> Then I had a "second chance offer" - and this seller actually > gave me a >> name, a street adress and a bank account to wire the money to. Are they >> that >> confident they can get away with it? >> >> Jens >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Thomas Teeter >> wrote: >> >> > I'm thinking more and more that Craigslist is the best way to > offer your >> > jukes and other stuff. Offer there first and search for other sources > if >> it >> > doesn't sell after a couple of listings. It is free to start > with, and >> > there >> > are no "final listing" fees. I just sold a $600 snack > machine today from >> an >> > Austin, TX area Craigslist ad I placed about 3 or 4 days ago. Another >> deal >> > is pending on a soda machine from the same ad. Buyer of the snack > machine >> > is >> > on his way with CASH. It is also a great place to look for jukeboxes, >> > pinball machines, etc. I check several Craigslist areas daily. That > is >> how >> > I >> > have picked up several deals. >> > >> > Thomas >> > >> > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Lala Blah Blah > > > >wrote: >> > >> > > Don't hold your breath on that one Jen's... Ebay giving > a deaL?? I >> don't >> > > think so. even thought the ecomony has been really bad they just > jack >> up >> > the >> > > rpices as they see fit with not break to the sellers I notice > more and >> > more >> > > people going to Criags list and Kijiji but kijiji is unfair as > is >> Pay-Pal >> > > and Ebay.. they are all owned by Ebay. >> > > >> > > Regards, Tony >> > > >> > >> > --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: >> > > >> > > From: Jens Hultgren >> > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! >> > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > >> > > Received: Friday, August 22, 2008, 3:21 PM >> > > >> > > As a foreigner it would be an improvement if I can stop sending > money >> > > orders >> > > and cash in the mail. Paypal is so convenient. >> > > >> > > Maybe they could lower the fees huh? >> > > >> > > Well then again if they get a monopoly maybe they won't. >> > > >> > > :o/ jens >> > > >> > > >> > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Mel Knight > >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hi All!! >> > > > >> > > > I received the same E-mail. I went to the Ebay > discussion >> > boards >> > > > and went to the PayPal forum..... Sorry, it's real. > Everyone is fired >> > > up >> > > > beyond belief. What a draconian measure to take, to ensure > that they >> > get >> > > ALL >> > > > the profit they can out of every transaction.... Mel >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > __________________________________________________________________ >> > > Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the > new >> > Yahoo! >> > > Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Thomas Teeter >> > absolutelygreatgames.com >> > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames >> > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jukebox-list mailing list >> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listi >> nfo/jukebox-list >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >> > > > > -- > Thomas Teeter > absolutelygreatgames.com > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 16:46:30 2008 From: jukeboxrepairman at gmail.com (Thomas Teeter) Date: Fri Aug 22 16:47:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy In-Reply-To: <151340.38432.qm@web55814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <151340.38432.qm@web55814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, had no problems here locally cashing high dollar moneyorders. However, even if they don't have the cash, they can still verify that the moneyorder is legit on the spot. At least you'll know right then if it is okay to accept it and be confident to release the merchandise. As far as Craigslist, whether or not it's owned by Ebay, it is still FREE to use and post, and I use it regularly without problems to post and to buy... Thomas On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > I have a problem cashing Postal Money orders here. Almost anytime I try to > cash one, they tell me "we don't have that much cash--come back in an hour, > or two, and we will save some cash up for you". > FYI, as was mentioned earlier, Craigsthingy is an EBay owned company ! > Ron Rich > From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Fri Aug 22 17:30:28 2008 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Fri Aug 22 17:37:37 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! Message-ID: Great discussion on ebay and paypal. A point from me... The problem that I have with ebay is the enormous fees that one has to cough up at the end of each transaction. There is no doubt that ebay is getting richer and richer because sellers continue to support ebay even though they continue to boost the seller fees, transaction fees, final seller fees, etc, and etc. It is sad to say, but the best example that I can use is that ebay is like the divorce lawyer. The seller is like the divorced couple. After it is all over, the goods are gone and there is very little to show for it. Let's face it, many items, especially antiques, in this day and time are selling way under value. To top it off, once the seller spends time packaging the item and carting it up to the Post Office, it is obvious...The seller practically gave the item away. I have come to the conclusion that these so called 'self made' people that have so called 'made it big' from ebay are like the people on the Home and Garden Channel that have gotten rich 'flipping' houses. The very successful are few and far between. Thanks and good weekend to everyone! Brant From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Aug 22 17:46:33 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Aug 22 17:47:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <544786.1485.qm@web54604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Boy is that wierd. Here in Canada you can cash any money order at your Bank. However you cannot cash it at the Post Office. I have had alot of luck on Kijiji until they got mad because I was selling alot of jukes on their site they also said I was a fraud then I proved to them I wasn't then they said I had customer complaints and I proved that wrong and then they said I was over charging.. So the end all I was banned for NO reason. I took my complaint to the top and was basically called a Whiner and to shutup so me... being pissed off wrote and article on Ebay (reviews) titled "Kijiji Treats Some Users Unfair" To this day I cannot list on Kijiji but I have not had one problem on Craigs list however the traffic on Kijiji was a heck of alot better. Lastly I confronted one of the employees on Kijiji and said.. ok man what excuse is it??? He said I was ripping people off. (even though I gave him?emails of reference from ALL my customers). So I said .. look jerk... you LIED you told me this excuse and that excuse so even if it?was just one.. you outright lied! I guess when you lie you cannot keep your story straight.. again the little guy gets the shaft. I have since moved on and carry alot of electrical parts such as Caps and tubes and such and cater to people that build home brew Tube amps. Pity that it had to go that way. I still love jukes and sell to people now and then but not through Kijiji..? ? Regards, Tony? --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Thomas Teeter wrote: From: Thomas Teeter Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Friday, August 22, 2008, 7:46 PM Ron, had no problems here locally cashing high dollar moneyorders. However, even if they don't have the cash, they can still verify that the moneyorder is legit on the spot. At least you'll know right then if it is okay to accept it and be confident to release the merchandise. As far as Craigslist, whether or not it's owned by Ebay, it is still FREE to use and post, and I use it regularly without problems to post and to buy... Thomas On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Ron Rich wrote: > Hi All, > I have a problem cashing Postal Money orders here. Almost anytime I try to > cash one, they tell me "we don't have that much cash--come back in an hour, > or two, and we will save some cash up for you". > FYI, as was mentioned earlier, Craigsthingy is an EBay owned company ! > Ron Rich > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Fri Aug 22 17:48:25 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Fri Aug 22 17:49:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <879257.49502.qm@web54606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You said all that in one breath?? LOL.. You are SO right.. Sounds like the people that knock on your door trying to get you into AMWAY... ? Regards, Tony --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Kuglarb@wmconnect.com wrote: From: Kuglarb@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! To: pinball@telus.net, david_breneman@yahoo.com, jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Friday, August 22, 2008, 8:30 PM Great discussion on ebay and paypal. A point from me... The problem that I have with ebay is the enormous fees that one has to cough up at the end of each transaction. There is no doubt that ebay is getting richer and richer because sellers continue to support ebay even though they continue to boost the seller fees, transaction fees, final seller fees, etc, and etc. It is sad to say, but the best example that I can use is that ebay is like the divorce lawyer. The seller is like the divorced couple. After it is all over, the goods are gone and there is very little to show for it. Let's face it, many items, especially antiques, in this day and time are selling way under value. To top it off, once the seller spends time packaging the item and carting it up to the Post Office, it is obvious...The seller practically gave the item away. I have come to the conclusion that these so called 'self made' people that have so called 'made it big' from ebay are like the people on the Home and Garden Channel that have gotten rich 'flipping' houses. The very successful are few and far between. Thanks and good weekend to everyone! Brant _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From jayoldschool at hotmail.com Fri Aug 22 21:59:52 2008 From: jayoldschool at hotmail.com (jason w) Date: Fri Aug 22 22:00:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Problem with a Seeburg 201 mech Message-ID: I have a Seeburg 201 that has worked fine. I recently moved, and plugged it in for the first time today. The mech is on selection S4. The turntable runs non-stop, but the left part that clamps down on the record isn't "clamped". I can't get it to reject the "selection" by the button in the back or by moving the stylus arm in. I have tried the play/scan switch and it doesn't do any thing, but it will add a credit. It will accept selections when there is a credit, but I can't get it to scan. When I manually activate the reversing switch, the turntable will reverse direction. After thinking about it, I realize that the mech should be in the right "park" position. I think the last time I turned it on (a couple of years ago), I was taking records out of it to put in my 1050. I may have left it in the middle. Any advice would be appreciated! Jason. _________________________________________________________________ If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208 From gnharvey at iprimus.com.au Sat Aug 23 00:21:18 2008 From: gnharvey at iprimus.com.au (Graeme Harvey) Date: Sat Aug 23 00:22:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & Pay Pal Message-ID: <006401c904f0$d90bef70$6401a8c0@Graeme> Here in Australia Ebay tried in April to have payments made exclusively through Pay Pal for items sold on Australian Ebay. The Australian Completion and Consumer Commission (ACCC) ruled against them. The ACCC Act "prohibits exclusive dealing involves one business trading with another person, imposing restrictions on their freedom to choose whom, or in what, it deals" I do not know if other countries have Government Legislation in place to stop anti completive behavior. Graeme Harvey From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Sat Aug 23 07:04:49 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Sat Aug 23 07:05:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Problem with a Seeburg 201 mech In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <928068.13967.qm@web54607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> HI Jason: I think I gave you info on Ebay (re: my review) Yes I am in this group as well. ? Regards, Tony --- On Sat, 8/23/08, jason w wrote: From: jason w Subject: [Jukebox-list] Problem with a Seeburg 201 mech To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Received: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 12:59 AM I have a Seeburg 201 that has worked fine. I recently moved, and plugged it in for the first time today. The mech is on selection S4. The turntable runs non-stop, but the left part that clamps down on the record isn't "clamped". I can't get it to reject the "selection" by the button in the back or by moving the stylus arm in. I have tried the play/scan switch and it doesn't do any thing, but it will add a credit. It will accept selections when there is a credit, but I can't get it to scan. When I manually activate the reversing switch, the turntable will reverse direction. After thinking about it, I realize that the mech should be in the right "park" position. I think the last time I turned it on (a couple of years ago), I was taking records out of it to put in my 1050. I may have left it in the middle. Any advice would be appreciated! Jason. _________________________________________________________________ If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Reclaim your name @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com. Get your new email address now! Go to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/ From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 09:47:24 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 23 09:48:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Problem with a Seeburg 201 mech In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <542719.42596.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jason, I would guess that the clutch is "stuck" in the transfer position, probably as a result of lack of proper lubrication. The "safety plunger asembly" may, or may not be, the cause of this problem, or, if the mechanism was not correctly "bolted down for shippment", something may have bent. >From your post, I am assuming that you are not familar with the mechanism. I do not mean, in any way to insult you, but I would strongly suggest that you enlist the aid of someone that knows and understands that unit well.? Ron Rich --- On Fri, 8/22/08, jason w wrote: From: jason w Subject: [Jukebox-list] Problem with a Seeburg 201 mech To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 9:59 PM I have a Seeburg 201 that has worked fine. I recently moved, and plugged it in for the first time today. The mech is on selection S4. The turntable runs non-stop, but the left part that clamps down on the record isn't "clamped". I can't get it to reject the "selection" by the button in the back or by moving the stylus arm in. I have tried the play/scan switch and it doesn't do any thing, but it will add a credit. It will accept selections when there is a credit, but I can't get it to scan. When I manually activate the reversing switch, the turntable will reverse direction. After thinking about it, I realize that the mech should be in the right "park" position. I think the last time I turned it on (a couple of years ago), I was taking records out of it to put in my 1050. I may have left it in the middle. Any advice would be appreciated! Jason. _________________________________________________________________ If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jayoldschool at hotmail.com Sat Aug 23 10:29:47 2008 From: jayoldschool at hotmail.com (jason w) Date: Sat Aug 23 10:30:54 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Problem with a Seeburg 201 mech In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just wanted to check in with a quick update. I "used" to be familiar with the mech, but it has been about ten years. Anyways, thanks to the advice of someone, I activated the trip lever. I had totally forgotten about this. Once I did that, it still tried to pick S4, but when I pressed the reject, things worked as normal! I'm back to enjoying my 201. Next up, cleaning and some cosmetic resto work. I am ordering the manuals for both the 201 and 1050 as we speak. I look forward to learning from the list and contributing when I can. Jason.> From: jayoldschool@hotmail.com> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:59:52 -0400> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Problem with a Seeburg 201 mech> > > I have a Seeburg 201 that has worked fine. I recently moved, and plugged it in for the first time today. The mech is on selection S4. The turntable runs non-stop, but the left part that clamps down on the record isn't "clamped". I can't get it to reject the "selection" by the button in the back or by moving the stylus arm in. I have tried the play/scan switch and it doesn't do any thing, but it will add a credit. It will accept selections when there is a credit, but I can't get it to scan. When I manually activate the reversing switch, the turntable will reverse direction.> > After thinking about it, I realize that the mech should be in the right "park" position. I think the last time I turned it on (a couple of years ago), I was taking records out of it to put in my 1050. I may have left it in the middle.> > Any advice would be appreciated!> > Jason.> _________________________________________________________________> If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one!> http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208_______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Try Chicktionary, a game that tests how many words you can form from the letters given. Find this and more puzzles at Live Search Games! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/207 From jayoldschool at hotmail.com Sat Aug 23 10:43:14 2008 From: jayoldschool at hotmail.com (jason w) Date: Sat Aug 23 10:44:20 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Connecting a V3WA-D wallbox to my 201 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since I now have my 201 working, the next step is hooking up my wallbox. It is a V3WA-D. I have taken the cover off off and found the color coded connections. They correspond to the "Orange", "Green", "Blue" terminals on the left side of the stepper (?) in the 201. Is it just a matter of wiring it up? Or, is there something I need to set/add/change in the 201? Also, if there are credits on the 201, will I be able to select for free on the 3WA? _________________________________________________________________ Find hidden words, unscramble celebrity names, or try the ultimate crossword puzzle with Live Search Games. Play now! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/212 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 10:54:49 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 23 10:55:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Connecting a V3WA-D wallbox to my 201 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <709792.43039.qm@web55811.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jason, If the stepper, and the "stepper 2050" are good, you are "good to go" just following the wire colors. The WOM has it's own pricing unit upon which the status of the jukebox pricing? has no effect. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/23/08, jason w wrote: From: jason w Subject: [Jukebox-list] Connecting a V3WA-D wallbox to my 201 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 10:43 AM Since I now have my 201 working, the next step is hooking up my wallbox. It is a V3WA-D. I have taken the cover off off and found the color coded connections. They correspond to the "Orange", "Green", "Blue" terminals on the left side of the stepper (?) in the 201. Is it just a matter of wiring it up? Or, is there something I need to set/add/change in the 201? Also, if there are credits on the 201, will I be able to select for free on the 3WA? _________________________________________________________________ Find hidden words, unscramble celebrity names, or try the ultimate crossword puzzle with Live Search Games. Play now! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/212_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Sat Aug 23 12:22:14 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sat Aug 23 12:23:21 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Problem with a Seeburg 201 mech In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B06366.8050906@telus.net> jason w wrote: > Just wanted to check in with a quick update. I "used" to be familiar with the mech, but it has been about ten years. > > Anyways, thanks to the advice of _someone_, I activated the trip lever. I had totally forgotten about this. Once I did that, it still tried to pick S4, but when I pressed the reject, things worked as normal! I'm back to enjoying my 201. > Someone? sigh... John ;-#)# > > Next up, cleaning and some cosmetic resto work. > > I am ordering the manuals for both the 201 and 1050 as we speak. > > I look forward to learning from the list and contributing when I can. > > Jason.> From: jayoldschool@hotmail.com> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:59:52 -0400> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Problem with a Seeburg 201 mech> > > I have a Seeburg 201 that has worked fine. I recently moved, and plugged it in for the first time today. The mech is on selection S4. The turntable runs non-stop, but the left part that clamps down on the record isn't "clamped". I can't get it to reject the "selection" by the button in the back or by moving the stylus arm in. I have tried the play/scan switch and it doesn't do any thing, but it will add a credit. It will accept selections when there is a credit, but I can't get it to scan. When I manually activate the reversing switch, the turntable will reverse direction.> > After thinking about it, I realize that the mech should be in the right "park" position. I think the last time I turned it on (a couple of years ago), I was taking records out of it to put in my 1050. I may have left it in the middle.> > Any advice would be appreciated!> > Jason.> -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jayoldschool at hotmail.com Sat Aug 23 13:30:01 2008 From: jayoldschool at hotmail.com (jason w) Date: Sat Aug 23 13:31:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Problem with a Seeburg 201 mech In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh, now I feel really bad. Credit is due! I had no idea John was on this list (small world, I am quickly learning). I emailed John after finding his store site last night. He was kind enough to not only reply to my email with a possible solution, but attached a helpful pic of the mech without the cover so I could see what part to look at. On a happy note, he will be receiving my business for my juke and pin needs! Thanks, JOHN! Jason.jason w wrote:> Just wanted to check in with a quick update. I "used" to be familiar with the mech, but it has been about ten years. > > Anyways, thanks to the advice of _someone_, I activated the trip lever. I had totally forgotten about this. Once I did that, it still tried to pick S4, but when I pressed the reject, things worked as normal! I'm back to enjoying my 201. > Someone? sigh...John ;-#)#> > Next up, cleaning and some cosmetic resto work.> > I am ordering the manuals for both the 201 and 1050 as we speak.> > I look forward to learning from the list and contributing when I can. _________________________________________________________________ If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208 From jayoldschool at hotmail.com Sat Aug 23 16:23:33 2008 From: jayoldschool at hotmail.com (jason w) Date: Sat Aug 23 16:24:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Update on 201 with 3WA wallbox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, I got it wired up fine. Turned on the power, and the wallbox lit up right away. The select lights were on, too. I dropped a quarter in, and made a selection. The wallbox mechanism worked, but nothing happened on the 201. I tried a few different combos of selections on the wallbox and the 201, but nothing from the wallbox would play. Also, it seems like the "select" is on all the time on the wallbox no matter how many selections I make. Any guesses? _________________________________________________________________ From oregonjukebox at comcast.net Sat Aug 23 20:19:12 2008 From: oregonjukebox at comcast.net (oregonjukebox@comcast.net) Date: Sat Aug 23 20:20:13 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! Message-ID: <082420080319.7256.48B0D330000B13E300001C58220076018098010D0A059A060201090A9D01@comcast.net> I use Google, "Advanced Search", plug in keywords at the top, and at the bottom type in "craigslist.org" where it says "search within a site or domain". You get everything, everywhere, but in my case what I'm looking for is so rare I usually get less than ten hits. Cheers, Lanway -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jens Hultgren" > Craigslist is great - but is there some kind of special search engine > available for it? It is really cumbersome to search one city at a time. > > One reason ebay is going Paypal could be to put an end to the massive scams > that are going on all the time. Perhaps they can start doing something about > it if they can control the money. Just a thought. > > I saw an auction for a Rolatop slot machine that was definitely fake (seller > in the US, machine in England, 50 USD shipping....) > I put in a stop bid for 6,666 and thought noone would top it - but an > Austrian guy did - so I warned him and he realized he was being scammed. > Then I had a "second chance offer" - and this seller actually gave me a > name, a street adress and a bank account to wire the money to. Are they that > confident they can get away with it? > > Jens > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Thomas Teeter > wrote: > > > I'm thinking more and more that Craigslist is the best way to offer your > > jukes and other stuff. Offer there first and search for other sources if it > > doesn't sell after a couple of listings. It is free to start with, and > > there > > are no "final listing" fees. I just sold a $600 snack machine today from an > > Austin, TX area Craigslist ad I placed about 3 or 4 days ago. Another deal > > is pending on a soda machine from the same ad. Buyer of the snack machine > > is > > on his way with CASH. It is also a great place to look for jukeboxes, > > pinball machines, etc. I check several Craigslist areas daily. That is how > > I > > have picked up several deals. > > > > Thomas > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Lala Blah Blah > > >wrote: > > > > > Don't hold your breath on that one Jen's... Ebay giving a deaL?? I don't > > > think so. even thought the ecomony has been really bad they just jack up > > the > > > rpices as they see fit with not break to the sellers I notice more and > > more > > > people going to Criags list and Kijiji but kijiji is unfair as is Pay-Pal > > > and Ebay.. they are all owned by Ebay. > > > > > > Regards, Tony > > > > > > --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > > > > > > From: Jens Hultgren > > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! > > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > > Received: Friday, August 22, 2008, 3:21 PM > > > > > > As a foreigner it would be an improvement if I can stop sending money > > > orders > > > and cash in the mail. Paypal is so convenient. > > > > > > Maybe they could lower the fees huh? > > > > > > Well then again if they get a monopoly maybe they won't. > > > > > > :o/ jens > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Mel Knight > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All!! > > > > > > > > I received the same E-mail. I went to the Ebay discussion > > boards > > > > and went to the PayPal forum..... Sorry, it's real. Everyone is fired > > > up > > > > beyond belief. What a draconian measure to take, to ensure that they > > get > > > ALL > > > > the profit they can out of every transaction.... Mel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new > > Yahoo! > > > Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Thomas Teeter > > absolutelygreatgames.com > > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From shawnmbrown at hotmail.com Sat Aug 23 22:34:05 2008 From: shawnmbrown at hotmail.com (Shawn Brown) Date: Sat Aug 23 22:35:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records Message-ID: I just brought home a Seeburg Console that used to work, but is having problems. It is a Seeburg LPC-1 R. If I select the switch on the inside to scan, the "selector?" moves up and down the row of records (fully loaded) and the stops on S1 (I assume since that is what is lit up). If I press the buttons, there is a dull sounds almost like when a UPS kicks on (not the beep, but the power load) and then off. Nothing happens, nothing moves, etc. When I bought this, I received a lot of spare parts, including another selector, the actual holder for records that bolts down, among other items. I just don't know what to do with them. Does anyone have any ideas as to what the problem could be? Thanks, Shawn _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008 From drjukebox at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 04:05:27 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Sun Aug 24 04:06:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! In-Reply-To: <082420080319.7256.48B0D330000B13E300001C58220076018098010D0A059A060201090A9D01@comcast.net> References: <082420080319.7256.48B0D330000B13E300001C58220076018098010D0A059A060201090A9D01@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3154d3690808240405q405faaf3t2d23a9c9578014d9@mail.gmail.com> Yup I can do that but still a little cumbersome many hits are old enough to have been removed from craigslist and it takes a while to sort through the hits I was a-hoping that maybe some crafty individual had put together a search program specifically for craigslist. Btw I am looking for a pool table, a Brunswick Art Deco-Modern table such as a CENTENNIAL (first choice) or an ANNIVERSARY (second choice) or perhaps a Challenger or other late thirties style. 8 foot or max 9 foot table. Would any of you guys know of such a table? I've spent years looking, been scammed twice, drove a lot to look at tables that were in poor shape or had formica rails. So I am still looking. :o) thx, Jens On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 5:19 AM, wrote: > I use Google, "Advanced Search", plug in keywords at the top, and at the > bottom type in "craigslist.org" where it says "search within a site or > domain". You get everything, everywhere, but in my case what I'm looking for > is so rare I usually get less than ten hits. > > Cheers, > > Lanway > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Jens Hultgren" > > > Craigslist is great - but is there some kind of special search engine > > available for it? It is really cumbersome to search one city at a time. > > > > One reason ebay is going Paypal could be to put an end to the massive > scams > > that are going on all the time. Perhaps they can start doing something > about > > it if they can control the money. Just a thought. > > > > I saw an auction for a Rolatop slot machine that was definitely fake > (seller > > in the US, machine in England, 50 USD shipping....) > > I put in a stop bid for 6,666 and thought noone would top it - but an > > Austrian guy did - so I warned him and he realized he was being scammed. > > Then I had a "second chance offer" - and this seller actually gave me a > > name, a street adress and a bank account to wire the money to. Are they > that > > confident they can get away with it? > > > > Jens > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Thomas Teeter > > wrote: > > > > > I'm thinking more and more that Craigslist is the best way to offer > your > > > jukes and other stuff. Offer there first and search for other sources > if it > > > doesn't sell after a couple of listings. It is free to start with, and > > > there > > > are no "final listing" fees. I just sold a $600 snack machine today > from an > > > Austin, TX area Craigslist ad I placed about 3 or 4 days ago. Another > deal > > > is pending on a soda machine from the same ad. Buyer of the snack > machine > > > is > > > on his way with CASH. It is also a great place to look for jukeboxes, > > > pinball machines, etc. I check several Craigslist areas daily. That is > how > > > I > > > have picked up several deals. > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Lala Blah Blah > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Don't hold your breath on that one Jen's... Ebay giving a deaL?? I > don't > > > > think so. even thought the ecomony has been really bad they just jack > up > > > the > > > > rpices as they see fit with not break to the sellers I notice more > and > > > more > > > > people going to Criags list and Kijiji but kijiji is unfair as is > Pay-Pal > > > > and Ebay.. they are all owned by Ebay. > > > > > > > > Regards, Tony > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Jens Hultgren > > > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! > > > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > > > Received: Friday, August 22, 2008, 3:21 PM > > > > > > > > As a foreigner it would be an improvement if I can stop sending money > > > > orders > > > > and cash in the mail. Paypal is so convenient. > > > > > > > > Maybe they could lower the fees huh? > > > > > > > > Well then again if they get a monopoly maybe they won't. > > > > > > > > :o/ jens > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Mel Knight > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi All!! > > > > > > > > > > I received the same E-mail. I went to the Ebay discussion > > > boards > > > > > and went to the PayPal forum..... Sorry, it's real. Everyone is > fired > > > > up > > > > > beyond belief. What a draconian measure to take, to ensure that > they > > > get > > > > ALL > > > > > the profit they can out of every transaction.... Mel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new > > > Yahoo! > > > > Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Thomas Teeter > > > absolutelygreatgames.com > > > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > > > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From jeremy at dwave.net Sun Aug 24 08:23:01 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sun Aug 24 08:24:20 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080824151248.M2894@dwave.net> How are your electrical trouble shooting skills? First purchase a repair manual. Second if you really want to repair it yourself and want to learn more, purchase two more books "Ron Rich's Seeburg Mechansim Guide" and Tony Millers "Seeburg Console-Era Jukeboxes" When these jukes get so old and after one or more persons has tried to get it going there will be multiple problems. Like fixing other peoples work, replacing more than one component, adjustments, and lubrication. It can be made to live again but you have to do a ton of research first to get up to speed. You also have to understand the series of events that need to happen after the coin is dropped, when when the selection is made, when the mech starts moving, when the recored is selected. Best of luck. You are saving a piece of history. Jeremy Agema On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:34:05 -0400, Shawn Brown wrote > I just brought home a Seeburg Console that used to work, but is > having problems. It is a Seeburg LPC-1 R. If I select the switch on > the inside to scan, the "selector?" moves up and down the row of > records (fully loaded) and the stops on S1 (I assume since that is > what is lit up). If I press the buttons, there is a dull sounds > almost like when a UPS kicks on (not the beep, but the power load) > and then off. Nothing happens, nothing moves, etc. When I bought > this, I received a lot of spare parts, including another selector, > the actual holder for records that bolts down, among other items. I > just don't know what to do with them. Does anyone have any ideas as > to what the problem could be? > > Thanks, > Shawn > _________________________________________________________________ > Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out > how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008_____________________________________ __________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 08:29:22 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 24 08:30:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <663831.63159.qm@web55813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Shawn, Kinda hard to tell what's happening from your description---- First of all, are you sure that it's still a model LPC-1 "R" ? Second is the service switch in the "play", or "operate", position when you make a selection? (What is the "UPS" ?) I would suggest that you need to purchase a Service Manual, and I also suggest that Tony Miller's "Seeburg Console Era" book, along with my "Seeburg Mechanism Guide", would be of great help to you. Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Shawn Brown wrote: From: Shawn Brown Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 10:34 PM I just brought home a Seeburg Console that used to work, but is having problems. It is a Seeburg LPC-1 R. If I select the switch on the inside to scan, the "selector?" moves up and down the row of records (fully loaded) and the stops on S1 (I assume since that is what is lit up). If I press the buttons, there is a dull sounds almost like when a UPS kicks on (not the beep, but the power load) and then off. Nothing happens, nothing moves, etc. When I bought this, I received a lot of spare parts, including another selector, the actual holder for records that bolts down, among other items. I just don't know what to do with them. Does anyone have any ideas as to what the problem could be? Thanks, Shawn _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 08:32:46 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 24 08:33:53 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records In-Reply-To: <20080824151248.M2894@dwave.net> Message-ID: <541992.89408.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Jeremy, Like minds think alike--I swear, I did not see your reply prior to writing mine !! Thankx for the "Plug" ! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Jeremy Agema wrote: From: Jeremy Agema Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 8:23 AM How are your electrical trouble shooting skills? First purchase a repair manual. Second if you really want to repair it yourself and want to learn more, purchase two more books "Ron Rich's Seeburg Mechansim Guide" and Tony Millers "Seeburg Console-Era Jukeboxes" When these jukes get so old and after one or more persons has tried to get it going there will be multiple problems. Like fixing other peoples work, replacing more than one component, adjustments, and lubrication. It can be made to live again but you have to do a ton of research first to get up to speed. You also have to understand the series of events that need to happen after the coin is dropped, when when the selection is made, when the mech starts moving, when the recored is selected. Best of luck. You are saving a piece of history. Jeremy Agema On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:34:05 -0400, Shawn Brown wrote > I just brought home a Seeburg Console that used to work, but is > having problems. It is a Seeburg LPC-1 R. If I select the switch on > the inside to scan, the "selector?" moves up and down the row of > records (fully loaded) and the stops on S1 (I assume since that is > what is lit up). If I press the buttons, there is a dull sounds > almost like when a UPS kicks on (not the beep, but the power load) > and then off. Nothing happens, nothing moves, etc. When I bought > this, I received a lot of spare parts, including another selector, > the actual holder for records that bolts down, among other items. I > just don't know what to do with them. Does anyone have any ideas as > to what the problem could be? > > Thanks, > Shawn > _________________________________________________________________ > Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out > how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008_____________________________________ __________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jayoldschool at hotmail.com Sun Aug 24 08:43:24 2008 From: jayoldschool at hotmail.com (jason w) Date: Sun Aug 24 08:44:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 201 "tail light" bulb replacement? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Two of my three "tail lights" on the speaker grille are burned out. How do I get at those bulbs? Do the lenses come out from the front, or do I have to go through the back? Yes, I am getting a manual :-) _________________________________________________________________ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 09:33:29 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Aug 24 09:34:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records In-Reply-To: <663831.63159.qm@web55813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <579991.82028.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Ron Rich wrote: > (What is the "UPS" ?) I think he's describing the click of a relay. A UPS is an Uninterruptible Power Supply. In my line of work, it's a room the size of a gymnasium full of batteries and generators that will run a data center when the power goes out. When that mass of diesel engines, power inveters, switches and bubbling batteries does its thing, it make a noise like no jukebox ever has. However, there are small "UPS"es made for desktop PCs that have a motorcycle-sized battery and a relay to cut it in when the line voltage dips below a certain level. But when the battery runs out juice, the Power Supply ceases to be Uninterruptible. :-) From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 09:40:40 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 24 09:41:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 201 "tail light" bulb replacement? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <808732.33500.qm@web55807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jason, Wait till you get the manual (buy some # 55 lamps !), as it is a very easy thing to do, but I think the manual describes it much better then anyone can here ("Pictures"!). Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/24/08, jason w wrote: From: jason w Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 201 "tail light" bulb replacement? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 8:43 AM Two of my three "tail lights" on the speaker grille are burned out. How do I get at those bulbs? Do the lenses come out from the front, or do I have to go through the back? Yes, I am getting a manual :-) _________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jayoldschool at hotmail.com Sun Aug 24 09:52:24 2008 From: jayoldschool at hotmail.com (jason w) Date: Sun Aug 24 09:53:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Problem with a Seeburg 201 mech In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The suspense is killing me! Hopefully, I can figure out why my wallbox isn't adding selections to the 201, as well...Jason,Wait till you get the manual (buy some # 55 lamps !), as it is a very easy thing to do, but I think the manual describes it much better then anyone can here ("Pictures"!). Ron Rich--- On Sun, 8/24/08, jason w wrote:From: jason w Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 201 "tail light" bulb replacement?To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 8:43 AMTwo of my three "tail lights" on the speaker grille are burned out. How do I get at those bulbs? Do the lenses come out from the front, or do Ihave to go through the back? Yes, I am getting a manual :-) _________________________________________________________________ Find hidden words, unscramble celebrity names, or try the ultimate crossword puzzle with Live Search Games. Play now! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/212 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 09:59:57 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 24 10:01:04 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Problem with a Seeburg 201 mech In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <597377.44887.qm@web55806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jason, Do you have a "stepper" in that phono? Is there a 2050 "stepper" tube in it? Does the stepper (if there) function at all, or partly, or what?? Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/24/08, jason w wrote: From: jason w Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Problem with a Seeburg 201 mech To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 9:52 AM The suspense is killing me! Hopefully, I can figure out why my wallbox isn't adding selections to the 201, as well...Jason,Wait till you get the manual (buy some # 55 lamps !), as it is a very easy thing to do, but I think the manual describes it much better then anyone can here ("Pictures"!). Ron Rich--- On Sun, 8/24/08, jason w wrote:From: jason w Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 201 "tail light" bulb replacement?To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 8:43 AMTwo of my three "tail lights" on the speaker grille are burned out. How do I get at those bulbs? Do the lenses come out from the front, or do Ihave to go through the back? Yes, I am getting a manual :-) _________________________________________________________________ Find hidden words, unscramble celebrity names, or try the ultimate crossword puzzle with Live Search Games. Play now! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/212_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jayoldschool at hotmail.com Sun Aug 24 10:31:23 2008 From: jayoldschool at hotmail.com (jason w) Date: Sun Aug 24 10:32:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Update on 201 with 3WA wallbox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry about the last subect line... forgot to change it. Rich, I just checked, and sure enough, no 2050 tube. The spot was empty. So I browsed through my spares, and found a 2050 and installed it. Turned it on, and made a selection on the wallbox. Progress! The 2050 flashed with the pulses coming from the wallbox, and there was the corresponding "clunk" noises from the stepper. However, the 201 doesn't play them. I tried a few different letter/number combos and they make distinctive flash/clunks. So... getting closer, but not there yet. I've got more 2050s to try in case the one I put in is a bad one. Any other ideas? Jason. Jason,Do you have a "stepper" in that phono? Is there a 2050 "stepper" tube in it?Does the stepper (if there) function at all, or partly, or what??Ron Rich _________________________________________________________________ If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 12:44:05 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 24 12:45:09 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Update on 201 with 3WA wallbox In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <690419.80047.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jason, The stepper?has probably dried up--A SMALL drop of SAE 20 wt oil is suggested on the step-up wheel ("gear") bearings and the two "hold pawls". Also, if you have not done so, a "recap"? job is in order. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/24/08, jason w wrote: From: jason w Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Update on 201 with 3WA wallbox To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 10:31 AM Sorry about the last subect line... forgot to change it. Rich, I just checked, and sure enough, no 2050 tube. The spot was empty. So I browsed through my spares, and found a 2050 and installed it. Turned it on, and made a selection on the wallbox. Progress! The 2050 flashed with the pulses coming from the wallbox, and there was the corresponding "clunk" noises from the stepper. However, the 201 doesn't play them. I tried a few different letter/number combos and they make distinctive flash/clunks. So... getting closer, but not there yet. I've got more 2050s to try in case the one I put in is a bad one. Any other ideas? Jason. Jason,Do you have a "stepper" in that phono? Is there a 2050 "stepper" tube in it?Does the stepper (if there) function at all, or partly, or what??Ron Rich _________________________________________________________________ If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From shawnmbrown at hotmail.com Sun Aug 24 13:49:11 2008 From: shawnmbrown at hotmail.com (Shawn Brown) Date: Sun Aug 24 13:50:15 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records In-Reply-To: <579991.82028.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <663831.63159.qm@web55813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <579991.82028.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, that is exacty what I am talking about. > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:33:29 -0700> From: david_breneman@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> > > --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Ron Rich wrote:> > > (What is the "UPS" ?)> > I think he's describing the click of a relay. A UPS is an> Uninterruptible Power Supply. In my line of work, it's a> room the size of a gymnasium full of batteries and generators> that will run a data center when the power goes out. When> that mass of diesel engines, power inveters, switches and> bubbling batteries does its thing, it make a noise like no> jukebox ever has. However, there are small "UPS"es made for> desktop PCs that have a motorcycle-sized battery and a> relay to cut it in when the line voltage dips below a> certain level. But when the battery runs out juice, the> Power Supply ceases to be Uninterruptible. :-)> > > > _______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008 From shawnmbrown at hotmail.com Sun Aug 24 13:51:31 2008 From: shawnmbrown at hotmail.com (Shawn Brown) Date: Sun Aug 24 13:52:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records In-Reply-To: <663831.63159.qm@web55813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <663831.63159.qm@web55813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The sticker on the back of the unit lists LPC-1 R. The service switch, I am assuming, is where I can push the bar to scan, off or play. If I push it to scan, it manually scans and stops. If I keep it on play, nothing happens. There is also a black switch that I can push to one side (free credit?) and it does nothing that I can see. I'll be looking for the books... > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:29:22 -0700> From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> > Shawn,> Kinda hard to tell what's happening from your description----> First of all, are you sure that it's still a model LPC-1 "R" ?> Second is the service switch in the "play", or "operate", position when you make a selection? (What is the "UPS" ?)> I would suggest that you need to purchase a Service Manual, and I also suggest that Tony Miller's "Seeburg Console Era" book, along with my "Seeburg Mechanism Guide", would be of great help to you. Ron Rich> > > --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Shawn Brown wrote:> > From: Shawn Brown > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 10:34 PM> > I just brought home a Seeburg Console that used to work, but is having problems.> It is a Seeburg LPC-1 R. If I select the switch on the inside to scan, the> "selector?" moves up and down the row of records (fully loaded) and> the stops on S1 (I assume since that is what is lit up). If I press the buttons,> there is a dull sounds almost like when a UPS kicks on (not the beep, but the> power load) and then off. Nothing happens, nothing moves, etc. When I bought> this, I received a lot of spare parts, including another selector, the actual> holder for records that bolts down, among other items. I just don't know> what to do with them. Does anyone have any ideas as to what the problem could> be?> > Thanks,> Shawn> _________________________________________________________________> Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how.> http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008_______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list> > > > > _______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008 From shawnmbrown at hotmail.com Sun Aug 24 13:53:08 2008 From: shawnmbrown at hotmail.com (Shawn Brown) Date: Sun Aug 24 13:54:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records In-Reply-To: <20080824151248.M2894@dwave.net> References: <20080824151248.M2894@dwave.net> Message-ID: Electrical troubleshooting skills are not the worst, but not the best. Definitely tecnically minded... I'll be looking for the books. Thanks for the advice.. > From: jeremy@dwave.net> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:23:01 -0500> > How are your electrical trouble shooting skills?> > First purchase a repair manual.> > Second if you really want to repair it yourself and want to learn more, > purchase two more books "Ron Rich's Seeburg Mechansim Guide" and Tony > Millers "Seeburg Console-Era Jukeboxes"> > When these jukes get so old and after one or more persons has tried to get > it going there will be multiple problems. Like fixing other peoples work, > replacing more than one component, adjustments, and lubrication.> > It can be made to live again but you have to do a ton of research first to > get up to speed. You also have to understand the series of events that need > to happen after the coin is dropped, when when the selection is made, when > the mech starts moving, when the recored is selected.> > Best of luck. You are saving a piece of history.> Jeremy Agema> > > On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:34:05 -0400, Shawn Brown wrote> > I just brought home a Seeburg Console that used to work, but is > > having problems. It is a Seeburg LPC-1 R. If I select the switch on > > the inside to scan, the "selector?" moves up and down the row of > > records (fully loaded) and the stops on S1 (I assume since that is > > what is lit up). If I press the buttons, there is a dull sounds > > almost like when a UPS kicks on (not the beep, but the power load) > > and then off. Nothing happens, nothing moves, etc. When I bought > > this, I received a lot of spare parts, including another selector, > > the actual holder for records that bolts down, among other items. I > > just don't know what to do with them. Does anyone have any ideas as > > to what the problem could be?> > > > Thanks,> > Shawn> > _________________________________________________________________> > Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out > > how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?> ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008_____________________________________> __________> > Jukebox-list mailing list> > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list> > _______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 From jayoldschool at hotmail.com Sun Aug 24 14:28:07 2008 From: jayoldschool at hotmail.com (jason w) Date: Sun Aug 24 14:29:14 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Update on 201 with 3WA wallbox - now dead 201 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Ron (sorry for calling you Rich on the last one!). I pulled the cover off the stepper and found exactly what you are talking about. The gears and pawls are very clean - not gummed up with anything. Using my finger, I found that the wheels moved without binding. Well, bad news this time. The 201 has stopped making selections totally. The wallbox can't make the stepper do anything, either. I took out the 2050, unhooked the 3WA to try and get back to where I was. No luck. Here is the issue now: When there is a credit, I can select a letter and a number. However, the buttons just stay down and locked. Nothing happens in the back to recognize the button presses. I can get the buttons to pop up by pressing other letters/numbers half way down. The lever is on "play" (I can scan it from end to end with no problem). I am sure this is related to all my efforts to get the wallbox working. I'm sad, because I was so happy that the 201 was working. I would much rather have a working juke than a wallbox (of course, both working would be great). Ideas on what I have screwed up?>Jason, The stepper has probably dried up--A SMALL drop of SAE 20 wt oil is suggested on the step-up wheel ("gear") bearings and the two "hold pawls". Also, if you have not done so, a "recap" job is in order. Ron Rich--- On Sun, 8/24/08, jason w wrote:From: jason w Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Update on 201 with 3WA wallboxTo: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 10:31 AMSorry about the last subect line... forgot to change it.Rich, I just checked, and sure enough, no 2050 tube. The spot was empty. So Ibrowsed through my spares, and found a 2050 and installed it. Turned it on, andmade a selection on the wallbox. Progress! The 2050 flashed with the pulsescoming from the wallbox, and there was the corresponding "clunk"noises from the stepper. However, the 201 doesn't play them. I tried a fewdifferent letter/number combos and they make distinctive flash/clunks. So...getting closer, but not there yet. I've got more 2050s to try in case theone I put in is a bad one.Any other ideas?Jason.Jason,Do you have a "stepper" in that phono? Is there a 2050"stepper" tube in it?Does the stepper (if there) function at all, orpartly, or what??Ron Rich_________________________________________________________________If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game whichcombines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one!http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208_______________________________________________Jukebox-list mailing listJukebox-list at lists.netlojix.comhttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Try Chicktionary, a game that tests how many words you can form from the letters given. Find this and more puzzles at Live Search Games! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/207 From stamann at jukebox-world.de Sun Aug 24 14:36:02 2008 From: stamann at jukebox-world.de (Stamann) Date: Sun Aug 24 14:37:19 2008 Subject: AW: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! In-Reply-To: <3154d3690808240405q405faaf3t2d23a9c9578014d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8957BF0A-4012-43A2-9683-3465816EEF19@jukebox-world.de> Hello all, you are welcome to check out and use (!) our online classified market for jukeboxes and related items. We established this market a few years ago and hundreds of jukeboxes and parts had been sold or found. The ads are free for privat users. They run for 60 days but can be renewed as long as you like. We are a little bit proud that this market can survive next to ebay! http://www.jukebox-world.de/content/en/start.php We will ad a "Trade section" as a new feature soon. Kind regards - Oliver and Hildegard Stamann -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces@lists.netlojix.com] Im Auftrag von Jens Hultgren Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. August 2008 13:05 An: Jukebox mailing list Betreff: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! Yup I can do that but still a little cumbersome many hits are old enough to have been removed from craigslist and it takes a while to sort through the hits I was a-hoping that maybe some crafty individual had put together a search program specifically for craigslist. Btw I am looking for a pool table, a Brunswick Art Deco-Modern table such as a CENTENNIAL (first choice) or an ANNIVERSARY (second choice) or perhaps a Challenger or other late thirties style. 8 foot or max 9 foot table. Would any of you guys know of such a table? I've spent years looking, been scammed twice, drove a lot to look at tables that were in poor shape or had formica rails. So I am still looking. :o) thx, Jens On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 5:19 AM, wrote: > I use Google, "Advanced Search", plug in keywords at the top, and at > the bottom type in "craigslist.org" where it says "search within a > site or domain". You get everything, everywhere, but in my case what > I'm looking for is so rare I usually get less than ten hits. > > Cheers, > > Lanway > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Jens Hultgren" > > > Craigslist is great - but is there some kind of special search > > engine available for it? It is really cumbersome to search one city at a time. > > > > One reason ebay is going Paypal could be to put an end to the > > massive > scams > > that are going on all the time. Perhaps they can start doing > > something > about > > it if they can control the money. Just a thought. > > > > I saw an auction for a Rolatop slot machine that was definitely fake > (seller > > in the US, machine in England, 50 USD shipping....) I put in a stop > > bid for 6,666 and thought noone would top it - but an Austrian guy > > did - so I warned him and he realized he was being scammed. > > Then I had a "second chance offer" - and this seller actually gave > > me a name, a street adress and a bank account to wire the money to. > > Are they > that > > confident they can get away with it? > > > > Jens > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Thomas Teeter > > wrote: > > > > > I'm thinking more and more that Craigslist is the best way to > > > offer > your > > > jukes and other stuff. Offer there first and search for other > > > sources > if it > > > doesn't sell after a couple of listings. It is free to start with, > > > and there are no "final listing" fees. I just sold a $600 snack > > > machine today > from an > > > Austin, TX area Craigslist ad I placed about 3 or 4 days ago. > > > Another > deal > > > is pending on a soda machine from the same ad. Buyer of the snack > machine > > > is > > > on his way with CASH. It is also a great place to look for > > > jukeboxes, pinball machines, etc. I check several Craigslist areas > > > daily. That is > how > > > I > > > have picked up several deals. > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Lala Blah Blah > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Don't hold your breath on that one Jen's... Ebay giving a deaL?? > > > > I > don't > > > > think so. even thought the ecomony has been really bad they just > > > > jack > up > > > the > > > > rpices as they see fit with not break to the sellers I notice > > > > more > and > > > more > > > > people going to Criags list and Kijiji but kijiji is unfair as > > > > is > Pay-Pal > > > > and Ebay.. they are all owned by Ebay. > > > > > > > > Regards, Tony > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Jens Hultgren > > > > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! > > > > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > > > > Received: Friday, August 22, 2008, 3:21 PM > > > > > > > > As a foreigner it would be an improvement if I can stop sending > > > > money orders and cash in the mail. Paypal is so convenient. > > > > > > > > Maybe they could lower the fees huh? > > > > > > > > Well then again if they get a monopoly maybe they won't. > > > > > > > > :o/ jens > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Mel Knight > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi All!! > > > > > > > > > > I received the same E-mail. I went to the Ebay discussion > > > boards > > > > > and went to the PayPal forum..... Sorry, it's real. Everyone > > > > > is > fired > > > > up > > > > > beyond belief. What a draconian measure to take, to ensure > > > > > that > they > > > get > > > > ALL > > > > > the profit they can out of every transaction.... 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Try > > > > the new > > > Yahoo! > > > > Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Thomas Teeter > > > absolutelygreatgames.com > > > E-bay ID: absolutelygreatgames > > > E-mail: jukeboxrepairman(at)gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jukebox-list mailing list > > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jeremy at dwave.net Sun Aug 24 16:12:36 2008 From: jeremy at dwave.net (Jeremy Agema) Date: Sun Aug 24 16:13:41 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Update on 201 with 3WA wallbox - now dead 201 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080824230920.M12526@dwave.net> Jason, I have worked on a stepper for a newer juke (but not one for your model). The toothed wheels must return to their proper resting position for things to work properly. Rotate the wheels by hand and when you let go they should snap back quickly. Just my small bit of advice. Jeremy Agema On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:28:07 -0400, jason w wrote > Thanks Ron (sorry for calling you Rich on the last one!). I pulled > the cover off the stepper and found exactly what you are talking > about. The gears and pawls are very clean - not gummed up with > anything. Using my finger, I found that the wheels moved without binding. > > Well, bad news this time. The 201 has stopped making selections > totally. The wallbox can't make the stepper do anything, either. I > took out the 2050, unhooked the 3WA to try and get back to where I > was. No luck. Here is the issue now: When there is a credit, I can > select a letter and a number. However, the buttons just stay down > and locked. Nothing happens in the back to recognize the button > presses. I can get the buttons to pop up by pressing other > letters/numbers half way down. The lever is on "play" (I can scan > it from end to end with no problem). > > I am sure this is related to all my efforts to get the wallbox > working. I'm sad, because I was so happy that the 201 was working. > I would much rather have a working juke than a wallbox (of course, > both working would be great). > > Ideas on what I have screwed up?>Jason, The stepper has probably > dried up--A SMALL drop of SAE 20 wt oil is suggested on the step-up > wheel ("gear") bearings and the two "hold pawls". Also, if you have > not done so, a "recap" job is in order. Ron Rich--- On Sun, 8/24/08, > jason w wrote:From: jason w > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Update on > 201 with 3WA wallboxTo: "Jukebox mailing list" lists.netlojix.com>Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 10:31 AMSorry > about the last subect line... forgot to change it.Rich, I just > checked, and sure enough, no 2050 tube. The spot was empty. So > Ibrowsed through my spares, and found a 2050 and installed it. > Turned it on, andmade a selection on the wallbox. Progress! The > 2050 flashed with the pulsescoming from the wallbox, and there was > the corresponding "clunk"noises from the stepper. However, the 201 > doesn't play them. I tried a fewdifferent letter/number combos and > they make distinctive flash/clunks. So...getting closer, but not > there yet. I've got more 2050s to try in case theone I put in is a > bad one.Any other ideas?Jason.Jason,Do you have a "stepper" in that > phono? Is there a 2050"stepper" tube in it?Does the stepper (if > there) function at all, orpartly, or what??Ron > Rich_________________________________________________________________If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game whichcombines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208_______________________________________________Jukebo x-list mailing listJukebox-list at lists.netlojix.comhttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Try Chicktionary, a game that tests how many words you can form from the letters given. Find this and more puzzles at Live Search Games! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/207_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 17:02:54 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 24 17:04:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Update on 201 with 3WA wallbox - now dead 201 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <605127.80560.qm@web55814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jeremy, Welcome-- Your problem is defiantly that the wheels are binding--not returning all the way "home". The stepper is designed to "lock up" the keyboard if not "homed", so despite what you think, the wheels NEED the proper oil. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/24/08, jason w wrote: From: jason w Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Update on 201 with 3WA wallbox - now dead 201 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 2:28 PM Thanks Ron (sorry for calling you Rich on the last one!). I pulled the cover off the stepper and found exactly what you are talking about. The gears and pawls are very clean - not gummed up with anything. Using my finger, I found that the wheels moved without binding. Well, bad news this time. The 201 has stopped making selections totally. The wallbox can't make the stepper do anything, either. I took out the 2050, unhooked the 3WA to try and get back to where I was. No luck. Here is the issue now: When there is a credit, I can select a letter and a number. However, the buttons just stay down and locked. Nothing happens in the back to recognize the button presses. I can get the buttons to pop up by pressing other letters/numbers half way down. The lever is on "play" (I can scan it from end to end with no problem). I am sure this is related to all my efforts to get the wallbox working. I'm sad, because I was so happy that the 201 was working. I would much rather have a working juke than a wallbox (of course, both working would be great). Ideas on what I have screwed up?>Jason, The stepper has probably dried up--A SMALL drop of SAE 20 wt oil is suggested on the step-up wheel ("gear") bearings and the two "hold pawls". Also, if you have not done so, a "recap" job is in order. Ron Rich--- On Sun, 8/24/08, jason w wrote:From: jason w Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Update on 201 with 3WA wallboxTo: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 10:31 AMSorry about the last subect line... forgot to change it.Rich, I just checked, and sure enough, no 2050 tube. The spot was empty. So Ibrowsed through my spares, and found a 2050 and installed it. Turned it on, andmade a selection on the wallbox. Progress! The 2050 flashed with the pulsescoming from the wallbox, and there was the corresponding "clunk"noises from the stepper. However, the 201 doesn't play them. I tried a fewdifferent letter/number combos and they make distinctive flash/clunks. So...getting closer, but not there yet. I've got more 2050s to try in case theone I put in is a bad one.Any other ideas?Jason.Jason,Do you have a "stepper" in that phono? Is there a 2050"stepper" tube in it?Does the stepper (if there) function at all, orpartly, or what??Ron Rich_________________________________________________________________If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game whichcombines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one!http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208_______________________________________________Jukebox-list mailing listJukebox-list at lists.netlojix.comhttp://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Try Chicktionary, a game that tests how many words you can form from the letters given. Find this and more puzzles at Live Search Games! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/207_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jayoldschool at hotmail.com Sun Aug 24 17:25:45 2008 From: jayoldschool at hotmail.com (jason w) Date: Sun Aug 24 17:26:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Update on 201 with 3WA wallbox - now dead 201 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh no, I wasn't saying that they don't need oil, I was just saying that they looked clean and not gummed up with old lube. If anything, they are dry. I'll be hitting up the hardware store tomorrow (after calling to put my order in for manuals). How do I know where "home" is? Is there a detent on the wheel? I'll go have a look and see if it is obvious. So, it sounds like the wallbox managed to get the stepper on the 201 off the "home". Looks like I need to 1. get the wheels back to "home", and 2. carefully lube the ratcheting wheels. I can't tell you guys how much I appreciate the help, Jason. >Jeremy,Welcome--Your problem is defiantly that the wheels are binding--not returning all the way "home". The stepper is designed to "lock up" the keyboard if not "homed", so despite what you think, the wheels NEED the proper oil. Ron Rich--- On Sun, 8/24/08, jason w wrote:From: jason w Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Update on 201 with 3WA wallbox - now dead 201To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 2:28 PMThanks Ron (sorry for calling you Rich on the last one!). I pulled the coveroff the stepper and found exactly what you are talking about. The gears andpawls are very clean - not gummed up with anything. Using my finger, I foundthat the wheels moved without binding. Well, bad news this time. The 201 has stopped making selections totally. Thewallbox can't make the stepper do anything, either. I took out the 2050,unhooked the 3WA to try and get back to where I was. No luck. Here is theissue now: When there is a credit, I can select a letter and a number. However,the buttons just stay down and locked. Nothing happens in the back to recognizethe button presses. I can get the buttons to pop up by pressing otherletters/numbers half way down. The lever is on "play" (I can scan itfrom end to end with no problem). I am sure this is related to all my efforts to get the wallbox working. I'm sad, because I was so happy that the 201 was working. I would muchrather have a working juke than a wallbox (of course, both working would begreat). Ideas on what I have screwed up?>Jason, The stepper has probably dried up--ASMALL drop of SAE 20 wt oil is suggested on the step-up wheel ("gear")bearings and the two "hold pawls". Also, if you have not done so, a"recap" job is in order. Ron Rich--- On Sun, 8/24/08, jason w wrote:From: jason w Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Update on 201 with 3WA wallboxTo:"Jukebox mailing list" Date:Sunday, August 24, 2008, 10:31 AMSorry about the last subect line... forgot tochange it.Rich, I just checked, and sure enough, no 2050 tube. The spot wasempty. So Ibrowsed through my spares, and found a 2050 and installed it. Turned it on, andmade a selection on the wallbox. Progress! The 2050 flashedwith the pulsescoming from the wallbox, and there was the corresponding"clunk"noises from the stepper. However, the 201 doesn't playthem. I tried a fewdifferent letter/number combos and they make distinctiveflash/clunks. So...getting closer, but not there yet. I've got more 2050sto try in case theone I put in is a bad one.Any other ideas?Jason.Jason,Do youhave a "stepper" in that phono? Is there a 2050"stepper"tube in it?Does the stepper (if there) function at all, orpartly, or what??RonRich__ _________________________________________________________________ From jhayes2613 at aol.com Sun Aug 24 17:35:13 2008 From: jhayes2613 at aol.com (jhayes2613@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 24 17:42:33 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records In-Reply-To: References: <663831.63159.qm@web55813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <579991.82028.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CAD46192BBA3F8-B5C-390B@webmail-dd05.sysops.aol.com> I used to know a Shawn Brown... where do you live? -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Brown To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Sent: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 3:49 pm Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records Yes, that is exacty what I am talking about. > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:33:29 -0700> From: david_breneman@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> > > --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Ron Rich wrote:> > > (What is the "UPS" ?)> > I think he's describing the click of a relay. A UPS is an> Uninterruptible Power Supply. In my line of work, it's a> room the size of a gymnasium full of batteries and generators> that will run a data center when the power goes out. When> that mass of diesel engines, power inveters, switches and> bubbling batteries does its thing, it make a noise like no> jukebox ever has. However, there are small "UPS"es made for> desktop PCs that have a motorcycle-sized battery and a> relay to cut it in when the line voltage dips below a> certain level. But when the battery runs out juice, the> Power Supply ceases to be Uninterruptible. :-)> > > > _______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 18:11:45 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 24 18:12:47 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Update on 201 with 3WA wallbox - now dead 201 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <841107.90751.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jason, You can hear when the wheels are homing. The wheel will "snap back" (hit? the detent) with a snapping sound--even when you "step it up"? only one position, by hand (With the power OFF--for sure !!). You also can, if need be, put a light coating, of the correct oil,?on the "rivets" of each "bisket". Do NOT remove or loosen the screws/nut on them. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/24/08, jason w wrote: From: jason w Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Update on 201 with 3WA wallbox - now dead 201 To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 5:25 PM Oh no, I wasn't saying that they don't need oil, I was just saying that they looked clean and not gummed up with old lube. If anything, they are dry. I'll be hitting up the hardware store tomorrow (after calling to put my order in for manuals). How do I know where "home" is? Is there a detent on the wheel? I'll go have a look and see if it is obvious. So, it sounds like the wallbox managed to get the stepper on the 201 off the "home". Looks like I need to 1. get the wheels back to "home", and 2. carefully lube the ratcheting wheels. I can't tell you guys how much I appreciate the help, Jason. >Jeremy,Welcome--Your problem is defiantly that the wheels are binding--not returning all the way "home". The stepper is designed to "lock up" the keyboard if not "homed", so despite what you think, the wheels NEED the proper oil. Ron Rich--- On Sun, 8/24/08, jason w wrote:From: jason w Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Update on 201 with 3WA wallbox - now dead 201To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 2:28 PMThanks Ron (sorry for calling you Rich on the last one!). I pulled the coveroff the stepper and found exactly what you are talking about. The gears andpawls are very clean - not gummed up with anything. Using my finger, I foundthat the wheels moved without binding. Well, bad news this time. The 201 has stopped making selections totally. Thewallbox can't make the stepper do anything, either. I took out the 2050,unhooked the 3WA to try and get back to where I was. No luck. Here is theissue now: When there is a credit, I can select a letter and a number. However,the buttons just stay down and locked. Nothing happens in the back to recognizethe button presses. I can get the buttons to pop up by pressing otherletters/numbers half way down. The lever is on "play" (I can scan itfrom end to end with no problem). I am sure this is related to all my efforts to get the wallbox working. I'm sad, because I was so happy that the 201 was working. I would muchrather have a working juke than a wallbox (of course, both working would begreat). Ideas on what I have screwed up?>Jason, The stepper has probably dried up--ASMALL drop of SAE 20 wt oil is suggested on the step-up wheel ("gear")bearings and the two "hold pawls". Also, if you have not done so, a"recap" job is in order. Ron Rich--- On Sun, 8/24/08, jason w wrote:From: jason w Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Update on 201 with 3WA wallboxTo:"Jukebox mailing list" Date:Sunday, August 24, 2008, 10:31 AMSorry about the last subect line... forgot tochange it.Rich, I just checked, and sure enough, no 2050 tube. The spot wasempty. So Ibrowsed through my spares, and found a 2050 and installed it. Turned it on, andmade a selection on the wallbox. Progress! The 2050 flashedwith the pulsescoming from the wallbox, and there was the corresponding"clunk"noises from the stepper. However, the 201 doesn't playthem. I tried a fewdifferent letter/number combos and they make distinctiveflash/clunks. So...getting closer, but not there yet. I've got more 2050sto try in case theone I put in is a bad one.Any other ideas?Jason.Jason,Do youhave a "stepper" in that phono? Is there a 2050"stepper"tube in it?Does the stepper (if there) function at all, orpartly, or what??RonRich__ _________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From jay at west.net Sun Aug 24 18:59:54 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sun Aug 24 19:16:20 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Ebay & the toys we buy! In-Reply-To: <3154d3690808221534j1f442f29i1bda829a5e8b3b58@mail.gmail.com> References: <3154d3690808221221r355b3d9cpe61faebd081dabf6@mail.gmail.com> <845166.66310.qm@web54603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3154d3690808221534j1f442f29i1bda829a5e8b3b58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B2121A.6000008@west.net> Jens Hultgren wrote: > Craigslist is great - but is there some kind of special search engine > available for it? It is really cumbersome to search one city at a time. http://crazedlist.org/ ;-) -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From shawnmbrown at hotmail.com Sun Aug 24 20:15:29 2008 From: shawnmbrown at hotmail.com (Shawn Brown) Date: Sun Aug 24 20:16:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records In-Reply-To: References: <663831.63159.qm@web55813.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, after some extra advice from Ron, this indeed has been converted from an R to strictly a LPC-1. While looking around, I decided to test the keys for the selections, and still nothing was working however I heard where that noise was. When I pulled on the assembly, it ended up being the coin mechanism. The previous owner said she never used coins, so I found it odd that it would be working/plugged in at all. Long story short, I fumbled around with the coin box and hit a selector of some sort, must assume to force it to believe that coinage had been put it and lo and behold, I could make selections and the jukebox sounds WONDERFUL!!! From there, I noticed a plug not plugged in... So I plugged it into the coin box, and proceeded to look around. When I hit the coin release button, the light for the make a selection lit up. After playing about 30-40 selections, it quit. (Bummer!) Now when you make a selection, it scans up and down the rack, but does not load any records. At this point, I know the jukebox CAN work, has good sound, and looks nice. The Thank-you light needs hooked up, whatever is causing the selection not to play needs fixed, but all in all, a good deal. Shawn > From: shawnmbrown@hotmail.com> To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:51:31 -0400> CC: > > The sticker on the back of the unit lists LPC-1 R. The service switch, I am assuming, is where I can push the bar to scan, off or play. If I push it to scan, it manually scans and stops. If I keep it on play, nothing happens. There is also a black switch that I can push to one side (free credit?) and it does nothing that I can see.> > I'll be looking for the books... > > > > > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:29:22 -0700> From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> > Shawn,> Kinda hard to tell what's happening from your description----> First of all, are you sure that it's still a model LPC-1 "R" ?> Second is the service switch in the "play", or "operate", position when you make a selection? (What is the "UPS" ?)> I would suggest that you need to purchase a Service Manual, and I also suggest that Tony Miller's "Seeburg Console Era" book, along with my "Seeburg Mechanism Guide", would be of great help to you. Ron Rich> > > --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Shawn Brown wrote:> > From: Shawn Brown > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 10:34 PM> > I just brought home a Seeburg Console that used to work, but is having problems.> It is a Seeburg LPC-1 R. If I select the switch on the inside to scan, the> "selector?" moves up and down the row of records (fully loaded) and> the stops on S1 (I assume since that is what is lit up). If I press the buttons,> there is a dull sounds almost like when a UPS kicks on (not the beep, but the> power load) and then off. Nothing happens, nothing moves, etc. When I bought> this, I received a lot of spare parts, including another selector, the actual> holder for records that bolts down, among other items. I just don't know> what to do with them. Does anyone have any ideas as to what the problem could> be?> > Thanks,> Shawn> _________________________________________________________________> Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how.> http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008_______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list> > > > > _______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list> _________________________________________________________________> Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how.> http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008_______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 08:49:30 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Mon Aug 25 08:50:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <985610.28419.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Shawn, Turn the power OFF, pull the TCC (Tormat Control Center) partly out, using the "pull ring" (NEVER stick your hand "inside", as you WILL get zapped). Turn the power back on, allow a few seconds for the tubes to warm up. See if all tubes are lit. If so, select A-6 and B-6. Watch the two relays in the TCC. See?if ?they pull in as the carriage passes the selections ( or before it passes them), let me know, one way or another. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Shawn Brown wrote: From: Shawn Brown Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 8:15 PM Well, after some extra advice from Ron, this indeed has been converted from an R to strictly a LPC-1. While looking around, I decided to test the keys for the selections, and still nothing was working however I heard where that noise was. When I pulled on the assembly, it ended up being the coin mechanism. The previous owner said she never used coins, so I found it odd that it would be working/plugged in at all. Long story short, I fumbled around with the coin box and hit a selector of some sort, must assume to force it to believe that coinage had been put it and lo and behold, I could make selections and the jukebox sounds WONDERFUL!!! From there, I noticed a plug not plugged in... So I plugged it into the coin box, and proceeded to look around. When I hit the coin release button, the light for the make a selection lit up. After playing about 30-40 selections, it quit. (Bummer!) Now when you make a selection, it scans up and down the rack, but does not load any records. At this point, I know the jukebox CAN work, has good sound, and looks nice. The Thank-you light needs hooked up, whatever is causing the selection not to play needs fixed, but all in all, a good deal. Shawn > From: shawnmbrown@hotmail.com> To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com; jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:51:31 -0400> CC: > > The sticker on the back of the unit lists LPC-1 R. The service switch, I am assuming, is where I can push the bar to scan, off or play. If I push it to scan, it manually scans and stops. If I keep it on play, nothing happens. There is also a black switch that I can push to one side (free credit?) and it does nothing that I can see.> > I'll be looking for the books... > > > > > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:29:22 -0700> From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> > Shawn,> Kinda hard to tell what's happening from your description----> First of all, are you sure that it's still a model LPC-1 "R" ?> Second is the service switch in the "play", or "operate", position when you make a selection? (What is the "UPS" ?)> I would suggest that you need to purchase a Service Manual, and I also suggest that Tony Miller's "Seeburg Console Era" book, along with my "Seeburg Mechanism Guide", would be of great help to you. Ron Rich> > > --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Shawn Brown wrote:> > From: Shawn Brown > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 10:34 PM> > I just brought home a Seeburg Console that used to work, but is having problems.> It is a Seeburg LPC-1 R. If I select the switch on the inside to scan, the> "selector?" moves up and down the row of records (fully loaded) and> the stops on S1 (I assume since that is what is lit up). If I press the buttons,> there is a dull sounds almost like when a UPS kicks on (not the beep, but the> power load) and then off. Nothing happens, nothing moves, etc. When I bought> this, I received a lot of spare parts, including another selector, the actual> holder for records that bolts down, among other items. I just don't know> what to do with them. Does anyone have any ideas as to what the problem could> be?> > Thanks,> Shawn> _________________________________________________________________> Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how.> http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008_______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list> > > > > _______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list> _________________________________________________________________> Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how.> http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008_______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008_______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From MITCHNYC at aol.com Mon Aug 25 12:12:11 2008 From: MITCHNYC at aol.com (MITCHNYC@aol.com) Date: Mon Aug 25 12:19:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl's backl! Message-ID: Yes, I'm late to this subject but I've been way out of pocket all summer. I've spent some 30 years in the music biz in both records & radio. My somewhat scattered observations in brief: 1. Vinyl never went away. It only threatened to in the US due to major label myopia/laziness & general stupidity. a. Vinyl has long been a key sales component of thriving "indie" labels from stalwart Sub Pop to Bob Irwin's relatively new reissue Sundazed label b. Both new and vintage wax continue to do booming business overseas particularly in Japan. (An ex-Danceteria DJ friend of mine is cleaning up exporting his old LPs and 12 "s to Japan). 2. To folks born no earlier than say 1978 digital was all the rage. By the time these youngsters reached the critical teen music buying years vinyl was their parents format of choice. Eew! Now to many of them vinyl is an exciting novelty. Why? Vinyl and it's accompanying packaging offers a far greater sensory experience beyond "just" sound. a. You can smell the ink, paper and vinyl. b. The tactile sensation -- you can hold it in your hands. c. You can see it, admire it, read it and learn from it. d. With the advent of CDs, album artwork shrunk by over 80%, then to nothing (MP3s) and finally to back up to a whopping 1.5 "x1.5 " (once iTunes was capable of displaying album artwork). Album art contains invaluable clues to the listener about any artist. It doesn't matter whether you're into the Beatles, the Buzzcocks or Blind Lemon Jefferson. When you can't see what the artist looks like let alone easily identify the difference between said artist and say Marl ene Dietrich, Oscar Wilde or Karl Marx, the impact of cover art is reduced to nil. e. This was evidenced by a trend I noticed about 10 years ago. I started seeing kids at malls coming out of "record" chain stores, opening their new purchase(s), popping the CDs into a CaseLogic binder then tossing CD jewel cases inserts and all into the trash. Now kids have come to appreciate album art as an art form. They are collecting it, even framing it, all over again. f. Album art particularly that which includes both lyrics and credits are an extremely important source to learn about the artist and music in general. Wikipedia and AllMusic are fantastic resources but I often find them inaccurate or incomplete. Plus every time album info is separated from an album yet another important more direct connection to the artist is lost. Everything old is new again. Cheers, Bruce McDonald ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From gibson510 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 25 18:06:34 2008 From: gibson510 at hotmail.com (rick murray) Date: Mon Aug 25 18:07:36 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records (Shawn Brown Message-ID: Hi Shawn, Recently had the same trouble you are experiencing with an SC consolette and an LPC-1. My resolve was the large capacitor on the stepper was bad. I swapped it out and it works fine. Also as Ron Rich said to check the contact(s) on the play control inside the Tormat Control to make sure they are making and breaking properly. Also if you need a manual I'll make you a copy for free. You just pay the postage. The prices that people charge for reproduction documentation is ridiculous. I contribute on this blog to help fellow juke enthusiasts. Contact me off the list if you want a manual. Regards, Rick _________________________________________________________________ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 From shawnmbrown at hotmail.com Mon Aug 25 22:20:45 2008 From: shawnmbrown at hotmail.com (Shawn Brown) Date: Mon Aug 25 22:21:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records In-Reply-To: <985610.28419.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <985610.28419.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ok, I did as asked and some interesting results. Jukebox started playing in the beginning. Tubes are not all lit up however. The first two on the bottom are not lit, while the others are. Selected A-6 and B-6 and relays worked as they were supposed to. Then after 5-6 songs, it stopped picking songs. At this point, the mech continues to scan twice and then stops on S1. There is what looks like a plunger of sorts beyond the relays that clicks when this happens. Perhaps it is when the mech reverses direction. I have some pictures taken that may or may not help. They can be found here: http://s452.photobucket.com/albums/qq246/shawnmbrown/Jukebox/ I waited perhaps 20 mins or so with the juke still on and made some selections and it began to play again. Whenever 3-4 played, it quit working again... > Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:49:30 -0700> From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> > Shawn,> Turn the power OFF, pull the TCC (Tormat Control Center) partly out, using the "pull ring" (NEVER stick your hand "inside", as you WILL get zapped).> Turn the power back on, allow a few seconds for the tubes to warm up. See if all tubes are lit. If so, select A-6 and B-6. Watch the two relays in the TCC. See if they pull in as the carriage passes the selections ( or before it passes them), let me know, one way or another. Ron Rich> > --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Shawn Brown wrote:> > From: Shawn Brown > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 8:15 PM> > Well, after some extra advice from Ron, this indeed has been converted from an R> to strictly a LPC-1. While looking around, I decided to test the keys for the> selections, and still nothing was working however I heard where that noise was. > When I pulled on the assembly, it ended up being the coin mechanism. The> previous owner said she never used coins, so I found it odd that it would be> working/plugged in at all. Long story short, I fumbled around with the coin> box and hit a selector of some sort, must assume to force it to believe that> coinage had been put it and lo and behold, I could make selections and the> jukebox sounds WONDERFUL!!! From there, I noticed a plug not plugged in... So I> plugged it into the coin box, and proceeded to look around. When I hit the coin> release button, the light for the make a selection lit up. After playing about> 30-40 selections, it quit. (Bummer!) > > Now when you make a selection, it scans up and down the rack, but does not load> any records. At this point, I know the jukebox CAN work, has good sound, and> looks nice. The Thank-you light needs hooked up, whatever is causing the> selection not to play needs fixed, but all in all, a good deal.> > Shawn> > > > > From: shawnmbrown@hotmail.com> To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com;> jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R> Will not play records> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:51:31 -0400> CC: >> > The sticker on the back of the unit lists LPC-1 R. The service switch, I am> assuming, is where I can push the bar to scan, off or play. If I push it to> scan, it manually scans and stops. If I keep it on play, nothing happens. There> is also a black switch that I can push to one side (free credit?) and it does> nothing that I can see.> > I'll be looking for the books... > >> > > > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:29:22 -0700> From:> ronnnrich@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not> play records> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> > Shawn,> Kinda> hard to tell what's happening from your description----> First of all,> are you sure that it's still a model LPC-1 "R" ?> Second is the> service switch in the "play", or "operate", position when> you make a selection? (What is the "UPS" ?)> I would suggest that> you need to purchase a Service Manual, and I also suggest that Tony Miller's> "Seeburg Console Era" book, along with my "Seeburg Mechanism> Guide", would be of great help to you. Ron Rich> > > --- On Sat,> 8/23/08, Shawn Brown wrote:> > From: Shawn> Brown > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1> R Will not play records> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Date:> Saturday, August 23, 2008, 10:34 PM> > I just brought home a Seeburg> Console that used to work, but is having problems.> It is a Seeburg LPC-1 R.> If I select the switch on the inside to scan, the> "selector?"> moves up and down the row of records (fully loaded) and> the stops on S1 (I> assume since that is what is lit up). If I press the buttons,> there is a> dull sounds almost like when a UPS kicks on (not the beep, but the> power> load) and then off. Nothing happens, nothing moves, etc. When I bought> this,> I received a lot of spare parts, including another selector, the actual>> holder for records that bolts down, among other items. I just don't know>> what to do with them. Does anyone have any ideas as to what the problem> could> be?> > Thanks,> Shawn>> _________________________________________________________________> Talk to> your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how.>> http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008_______________________________________________>> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list> > > > >> _______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing> list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list>> _________________________________________________________________> Talk to> your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how.>> http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008_______________________________________________>> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com>> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list> _________________________________________________________________> Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share.> http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008_______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list> > > > > _______________________________________________> Jukebox-list mailing list> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _________________________________________________________________ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be?learn how to burn a DVD with Windows?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ From jay at west.net Mon Aug 25 22:30:27 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Mon Aug 25 22:31:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records In-Reply-To: References: <985610.28419.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48B394F3.9070009@west.net> Shawn Brown wrote: > Ok, I did as asked and some interesting results. Jukebox started playing in the beginning. Tubes are not all lit up however. The first two on the bottom are not lit, while the others are. Selected A-6 and B-6 and relays worked as they were supposed to. Then after 5-6 songs, it stopped picking songs. At this point, the mech continues to scan twice and then stops on S1. There is what looks like a plunger of sorts beyond the relays that clicks when this happens. Perhaps it is when the mech reverses direction. I have some pictures taken that may or may not help. They can be found here: http://s452.photobucket.com/albums/qq246/shawnmbrown/Jukebox/ I waited perhaps 20 mins or so with the juke still on and made some selections and it began to play again. Whenever 3-4 played, it quit working again... Th most obvious thing in the photos are many old paper and electrolytic capacitors and a selenium rectifier. That unit needs a rebuild. If it is working at all now, it won't be for long. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From etreble7 at verizon.net Tue Aug 26 08:31:25 2008 From: etreble7 at verizon.net (etreble7) Date: Tue Aug 26 05:32:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl at the Beach References: Message-ID: <000b01c90790$cdcd7910$0301a8c0@home1903> Good Morning, just to add to this ongoing subject, I was on the Beach in DE for a few days and went into the store "Record & Tape Trader", looking for a new artist on vinyl for my Daughter....much to my surprise I found a Picture Record..a reissue of the Dylan Album (he's my hero) "The Freewheelin Bob Dylan". Side 1 is the original Album Cover, beautiful graphics and side B is the Album information covering the entire space. I played it while I was unpacking and it's awesome. I must be behind the times, I never knew they existed. There were other vintage albums reissued the same way. The cost was $19.99 and I felt like I was, once again buying a piece of Music History. I have the vintage Freewheelin Album but this is just too cool! Check them out, Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl's backl! > Yes, I'm late to this subject but I've been way out of pocket all summer. > I've spent some 30 years in the music biz in both records & radio. My > somewhat > scattered observations in brief: > > 1. Vinyl never went away. It only threatened to in the US due to major > label > myopia/laziness & general stupidity. > > a. Vinyl has long been a key sales component of thriving "indie" labels > from > stalwart Sub Pop to Bob Irwin's relatively new reissue Sundazed label > > b. Both new and vintage wax continue to do booming business overseas > particularly in Japan. (An ex-Danceteria DJ friend of mine is cleaning up > exporting > his old LPs and 12 "s to Japan). > > 2. To folks born no earlier than say 1978 digital was all the rage. By the > time these youngsters reached the critical teen music buying years vinyl > was > their parents format of choice. Eew! Now to many of them vinyl is an > exciting > novelty. Why? Vinyl and it's accompanying packaging offers a far greater > sensory > experience beyond "just" sound. > > a. You can smell the ink, paper and vinyl. > > b. The tactile sensation -- you can hold it in your hands. > > c. You can see it, admire it, read it and learn from it. > > d. With the advent of CDs, album artwork shrunk by over 80%, then to > nothing > (MP3s) and finally to back up to a whopping 1.5 "x1.5 " (once iTunes was > capable of displaying album artwork). Album art contains invaluable clues > to the > listener about any artist. It doesn't matter whether you're into the > Beatles, > the Buzzcocks or Blind Lemon Jefferson. When you can't see what the artist > looks > like let alone easily identify the difference between said artist and say > Marl > ene Dietrich, Oscar Wilde or Karl Marx, the impact of cover art is reduced > to > nil. > > e. This was evidenced by a trend I noticed about 10 years ago. I started > seeing kids at malls coming out of "record" chain stores, opening their > new > purchase(s), popping the CDs into a CaseLogic binder then tossing CD jewel > cases > inserts and all into the trash. Now kids have come to appreciate album art > as an > art form. They are collecting it, even framing it, all over again. > > f. Album art particularly that which includes both lyrics and credits are > an > extremely important source to learn about the artist and music in general. > Wikipedia and AllMusic are fantastic resources but I often find them > inaccurate > or incomplete. Plus every time album info is separated from an album yet > another important more direct connection to the artist is lost. > > Everything old is new again. > > Cheers, > > Bruce McDonald > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. > Find your travel deal here. > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From Jjmscf at aol.com Tue Aug 26 06:29:13 2008 From: Jjmscf at aol.com (Jjmscf@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 26 06:35:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl at the Beach Message-ID: You were on the beach in De?Rehobeth Beach? Darn you were close to my house.45 minute drive.Picture discs are cool.You canplay them but a lot of them are noisier than regular lps.They were meant as promotional items.The best sounding ones are the ones with the picture inside of clear vinyl. The screen printed ones usually are quite noisy.They look pretty cool framed and on the wall. J.C. In a message dated 8/26/2008 8:33:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, etreble7@verizon.net writes: Good Morning, just to add to this ongoing subject, I was on the Beach in DE for a few days and went into the store "Record & Tape Trader", looking for a new artist on vinyl for my Daughter....much to my surprise I found a Picture Record..a reissue of the Dylan Album (he's my hero) "The Freewheelin Bob Dylan". Side 1 is the original Album Cover, beautiful graphics and side B is the Album information covering the entire space. I played it while I was unpacking and it's awesome. I must be behind the times, I never knew they existed. There were other vintage albums reissued the same way. The cost was $19.99 and I felt like I was, once again buying a piece of Music History. I have the vintage Freewheelin Album but this is just too cool! Check them out, Jackie **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Tue Aug 26 07:19:29 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Tue Aug 26 07:20:38 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <18588.63767.qm@web54602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> If your two bottom tubes on the right are not lit those are OA2 tubes. Its a gas rectifier tube and it should have a pleasant purple glow. (don't worry they are not hard to find and they are not expensive either you can get them all the time on Ebay) Secondly yes as our other friend said there your capacitors look like an accident waiting to happen especially those pink ones with the yellow writing on them. I believe the brand name is Tiny Chief or something similar to that. They were NOT all that good to begin with and quite frankly when I found out when I did my first?selection reciever?that a few were bad and the rest were good and it would only run for a short time and I fould another one bad and so on and so on.. I just got really angry and yarded them all out and the problem was solved. So now when I see those in anything I take them out toss them in the trash and install new ones. You might also want to check your connections on the two RCA jacks as if they are not clean they can give you alot of trouble. Hope this helps you out. ? Regards, Tony --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Shawn Brown wrote: From: Shawn Brown Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 1:20 AM Ok, I did as asked and some interesting results. Jukebox started playing in the beginning. Tubes are not all lit up however. The first two on the bottom are not lit, while the others are. Selected A-6 and B-6 and relays worked as they were supposed to. Then after 5-6 songs, it stopped picking songs. At this point, the mech continues to scan twice and then stops on S1. There is what looks like a plunger of sorts beyond the relays that clicks when this happens. Perhaps it is when the mech reverses direction. I have some pictures taken that may or may not help. They can be found here: http://s452.photobucket.com/albums/qq246/shawnmbrown/Jukebox/ I waited perhaps 20 mins or so with the juke still on and made some selections and it began to play again. Whenever 3-4 played, it quit working again... > Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:49:30 -0700> From: ronnnrich@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> > Shawn,> Turn the power OFF, pull the TCC (Tormat Control Center) partly out, using the "pull ring" (NEVER stick your hand "inside", as you WILL get zapped).> Turn the power back on, allow a few seconds for the tubes to warm up. See if all tubes are lit. If so, select A-6 and B-6. Watch the two relays in the TCC. See if they pull in as the carriage passes the selections ( or before it passes them), let me know, one way or another. Ron Rich> > --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Shawn Brown wrote:> > From: Shawn Brown > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not play records> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 8:15 PM> > Well, after some extra advice from Ron, this indeed has been converted from an R> to strictly a LPC-1. While looking around, I decided to test the keys for the> selections, and still nothing was working however I heard where that noise was. > When I pulled on the assembly, it ended up being the coin mechanism. The> previous owner said she never used coins, so I found it odd that it would be> working/plugged in at all. Long story short, I fumbled around with the coin> box and hit a selector of some sort, must assume to force it to believe that> coinage had been put it and lo and behold, I could make selections and the> jukebox sounds WONDERFUL!!! From there, I noticed a plug not plugged in... So I> plugged it into the coin box, and proceeded to look around. When I hit the coin> release button, the light for the make a selection lit up. After playing about> 30-40 selections, it quit. (Bummer!) > > Now when you make a selection, it scans up and down the rack, but does not load> any records. At this point, I know the jukebox CAN work, has good sound, and> looks nice. The Thank-you light needs hooked up, whatever is causing the> selection not to play needs fixed, but all in all, a good deal.> > Shawn> > > > > From: shawnmbrown@hotmail.com> To: ronnnrich@yahoo.com;> jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R> Will not play records> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:51:31 -0400> CC: >> > The sticker on the back of the unit lists LPC-1 R. The service switch, I am> assuming, is where I can push the bar to scan, off or play. If I push it to> scan, it manually scans and stops. If I keep it on play, nothing happens. There> is also a black switch that I can push to one side (free credit?) and it does> nothing that I can see.> > I'll be looking for the books... > >> > > > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:29:22 -0700> From:> ronnnrich@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg LPC-1 R Will not> play records> To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com> > Shawn,> Kinda> hard to tell what's happening from your description----> First of all,> are you sure that it's still a model LPC-1 "R" ?> Second is the> service switch in the "play", or "operate", position when> you make a selection? (What is the "UPS" ?)> I would suggest that> you need to purchase a Service Manual, and I also suggest that Tony Miller's> "Seeburg Console Era" book, along with my "Seeburg Mechanism> Guide", would be of great help to you. 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Eddie Baptista -----Original Message----- From: etreble7 To: Jukebox mailing list Sent: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 8:31 am Subject: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl at the Beach Good Morning,? just to add to this ongoing subject, I was on the Beach in DE for a few days and went into the store "Record & Tape Trader", looking for a new artist on vinyl for my Daughter....much to my surprise I found a Picture Record..a reissue of the Dylan Album (he's my hero) "The Freewheelin Bob Dylan". Side 1 is the original Album Cover, beautiful graphics and side B is the Album information covering the entire space. I played it while I was unpacking and it's awesome. I must be behind the times, I never knew they existed. There were other vintage albums reissued the same way. The cost was $19.99 and I felt like I was, once again buying a piece of Music History. I have the vintage Freewheelin Album but this is just too cool! Check them out,? Jackie? ----- Original Message ----- From: ? To: ? Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 12:12 PM? Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Vinyl's backl!? ? > Yes, I'm late to this subject but I've been way out of pocket all summer.? > I've spent some 30 years in the music biz in both records & radio. My > somewhat? > scattered observations in brief:? >? > 1. Vinyl never went away. It only threatened to in the US due to major > label? > myopia/laziness & general stupidity.? >? > a. Vinyl has long been a key sales component of thriving "indie" labels > from? > stalwart Sub Pop to Bob Irwin's relatively new reissue Sundazed label? >? > b. Both new and vintage wax continue to do booming business overseas? > particularly in Japan. (An ex-Danceteria DJ friend of mine is cleaning up > exporting? > his old LPs and 12 "s to Japan).? >? > 2. To folks born no earlier than say 1978 digital was all the rage. By the? > time these youngsters reached the critical teen music buying years vinyl > was? > their parents format of choice. Eew! Now to many of them vinyl is an > exciting? > novelty. Why? Vinyl and it's accompanying packaging offers a far greater > sensory? > experience beyond "just" sound.? >? > a. You can smell the ink, paper and vinyl.? >? > b. The tactile sensation -- you can hold it in your hands.? >? > c. You can see it, admire it, read it and learn from it.? >? > d. With the advent of CDs, album artwork shrunk by over 80%, then to > nothing? > (MP3s) and finally to back up to a whopping 1.5 "x1.5 " (once iTunes was? > capable of displaying album artwork). Album art contains invaluable clues > to the? > listener about any artist. It doesn't matter whether you're into the > Beatles,? > the Buzzcocks or Blind Lemon Jefferson. When you can't see what the artist > looks? > like let alone easily identify the difference between said artist and say > Marl? > ene Dietrich, Oscar Wilde or Karl Marx, the impact of cover art is reduced > to? > nil.? >? > e. This was evidenced by a trend I noticed about 10 years ago. I started? > seeing kids at malls coming out of "record" chain stores, opening their > new? > purchase(s), popping the CDs into a CaseLogic binder then tossing CD jewel > cases? > inserts and all into the trash. Now kids have come to appreciate album art > as an? > art form. They are collecting it, even framing it, all over again.? >? > f. Album art particularly that which includes both lyrics and credits are > an? > extremely important source to learn about the artist and music in general.? > Wikipedia and AllMusic are fantastic resources but I often find them > inaccurate? > or incomplete. Plus every time album info is separated from an album yet? > another important more direct connection to the artist is lost.? >? > Everything old is new again.? >? > Cheers,? >? > Bruce McDonald? >? >? > **************? > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go.? > Find your travel deal here.? >? > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)? > _______________________________________________? > Jukebox-list mailing list? > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list ? _______________________________________________? Jukebox-list mailing list? Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com? http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list? From pat2355 at aol.com Tue Aug 26 08:33:01 2008 From: pat2355 at aol.com (pat2355@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 26 08:39:32 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rowe mirrophone set-up for R-91 In-Reply-To: <8CAD5A41F47DF1B-DE0-7F@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> References: <000b01c90790$cdcd7910$0301a8c0@home1903> <8CAD5A41F47DF1B-DE0-7F@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CAD5A8285DEAE5-25C-54EB@webmail-nh08.sysops.aol.com> Looking to buy the entire mike set-up for my R-91. Please contact me off list. Thanks Pat ? From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 26 18:26:49 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Aug 26 18:38:40 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mech Motor Noise References: <3154d3690808221221r355b3d9cpe61faebd081dabf6@mail.gmail.com> <845166.66310.qm@web54603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3154d3690808221534j1f442f29i1bda829a5e8b3b58@mail.gmail.com> <48B2121A.6000008@west.net> Message-ID: <000b01c907e3$faed8310$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I've got a Rockola 1428 that picks up mechanism motor noise through the speaker. The amp has been rebuilt and sounds great. This machine mutes the amp by grounding out the cartridge input in two different places - once at the tonarm post when at rest, the other at the reject switch. This works well except for a brief moment when the tonearm is lifted by the record and the motor is still powered. I've owned many 78 rpm Rockolas (many pre-war machines without any kind of muting) and have never experieced this before. Should I try a different motor or would a cap across the motor leads help? Any advice will be appreciated. Jim From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Tue Aug 26 18:44:10 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Tue Aug 26 18:51:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mech Motor Noise In-Reply-To: <000b01c907e3$faed8310$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <802275.71723.qm@web54606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I would look for a grounding problem.. if not then a 10 mfd (Non polarized cap should do) But I suspect a grounding problem somewhere.. I would check the phono cart wires.. if they even rub a bit (knowing how small they are.. boom problem solved) Hope this helps ? Tony --- On Tue, 8/26/08, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net Subject: [Jukebox-list] Mech Motor Noise To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 9:26 PM I've got a Rockola 1428 that picks up mechanism motor noise through the speaker. The amp has been rebuilt and sounds great. This machine mutes the amp by grounding out the cartridge input in two different places - once at the tonarm post when at rest, the other at the reject switch. This works well except for a brief moment when the tonearm is lifted by the record and the motor is still powered. I've owned many 78 rpm Rockolas (many pre-war machines without any kind of muting) and have never experieced this before. Should I try a different motor or would a cap across the motor leads help? Any advice will be appreciated. Jim _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ From geoff at mulligan.com Sun Aug 24 16:30:33 2008 From: geoff at mulligan.com (Geoff Mulligan) Date: Tue Aug 26 20:27:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help - Wurlitzer 2204 Message-ID: I hope that you can help me with a problem. I have a Wurlitzer 2204. It has been working fine for the past year or so. Just recently though it only will play "D" selections, even if A, B, or C are selected. I noticed that the Selecting Ring is stuck in the "D" position. It isn't rotating back. It seems to be jammed. It isn't the solinoid or the "B" or "C" stops. The ring itself seems to be jammed. Do you have any idea where I should look to find what has caused it to jam. I'm really afraid to try to take the mechanism apart for fear I won't get it back together and aligned properly. Any help would be appreciated. Pleaes reply to me. I have attempted to "subscribe" to the list, but I can't seem get subscribed. Thanks, Geoff From gmascio at verizon.net Sun Aug 24 19:28:53 2008 From: gmascio at verizon.net (GERRY MASCIO) Date: Tue Aug 26 20:27:26 2008 Subject: SV: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer stepper.... Message-ID: <000301c9065a$52a506e0$2f01a8c0@geraldinahllhu> I would like to know how much is a1700 wallbox 5205 is and the stepper 253 is. Gerry From Travis.aldridge at hotmail.com Mon Aug 25 20:07:20 2008 From: Travis.aldridge at hotmail.com (Travis Aldridge) Date: Tue Aug 26 20:27:28 2008 Subject: SV: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 600 front Message-ID: The wurlitzer 600 could be ordered with either red amber or green grill bars. The back door plastic would have been matched to the grill bars. From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 20:34:01 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 26 20:41:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help - Wurlitzer 2204 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <366050.37796.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Geoff, Somehow you have managed to "subscribe" to this list, However, somehow it's taken two days for this to appear in my mail? You are just going to need to figure out what is sticking where. I would look for a bit of foreign material in that area, such as a loose screw/nut? My 2 cent word of "wisdom"----don't force anything ! Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Geoff Mulligan wrote: From: Geoff Mulligan Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help - Wurlitzer 2204 To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 4:30 PM I hope that you can help me with a problem. I have a Wurlitzer 2204. It has been working fine for the past year or so. Just recently though it only will play "D" selections, even if A, B, or C are selected. I noticed that the Selecting Ring is stuck in the "D" position. It isn't rotating back. It seems to be jammed. It isn't the solinoid or the "B" or "C" stops. The ring itself seems to be jammed. Do you have any idea where I should look to find what has caused it to jam. I'm really afraid to try to take the mechanism apart for fear I won't get it back together and aligned properly. Any help would be appreciated. Pleaes reply to me. I have attempted to "subscribe" to the list, but I can't seem get subscribed. Thanks, Geoff _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 20:36:39 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Tue Aug 26 20:44:19 2008 Subject: SV: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer stepper.... In-Reply-To: <000301c9065a$52a506e0$2f01a8c0@geraldinahllhu> Message-ID: <165926.41863.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> It's whatever you choose to pay for?them, VS, what the owner wishes to get for them--check with the usual suppliers of used jukebox parts. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/24/08, GERRY MASCIO wrote: From: GERRY MASCIO Subject: SV: [Jukebox-list] wurlitzer stepper.... To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 7:28 PM I would like to know how much is a1700 wallbox 5205 is and the stepper 253 is. Gerry _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 23:32:56 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Tue Aug 26 23:33:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Help - Wurlitzer 2204 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3154d3690808262332r7c9dfd90y9c92b08ede0f0a6e@mail.gmail.com> The ring is resting on three rollers. These need to be lubricated - often overlooked when servicing these mechs. Jens On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 1:30 AM, Geoff Mulligan wrote: > I hope that you can help me with a problem. I have a Wurlitzer 2204. It > has been working fine for the past year or so. Just recently though it > only will play "D" selections, even if A, B, or C are selected. > > I noticed that the Selecting Ring is stuck in the "D" position. It isn't > rotating back. It seems to be jammed. It isn't the solinoid or the > "B" or "C" stops. The ring itself seems to be jammed. > > Do you have any idea where I should look to find what has caused it to > jam. I'm really afraid to try to take the mechanism apart for fear I > won't get it back together and aligned properly. > > Any help would be appreciated. Pleaes reply to me. I have attempted to > "subscribe" to the list, but I can't seem get subscribed. > > Thanks, > Geoff > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk Wed Aug 27 05:48:14 2008 From: gazzyoung_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Gary Young) Date: Wed Aug 27 05:56:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 201 "tail light" bulb replacement? Message-ID: <570643.38039.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Jason, if the 201 is similar to the KD200 I once owned, then there should be a wire inside the front of machine. If I remember correctly, you just pull on this and the plastic cover is released so you can change the bulb. I hope this is of some help. Gary --- On Sun, 24/8/08, jason w wrote: > From: jason w > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 201 "tail light" bulb replacement? > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Sunday, 24 August, 2008, 4:43 PM > Two of my three "tail lights" on the speaker > grille are burned out. How do I get at those bulbs? Do the > lenses come out from the front, or do I have to go through > the back? > > Yes, I am getting a manual :-) > _________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From jayoldschool at hotmail.com Wed Aug 27 09:17:21 2008 From: jayoldschool at hotmail.com (jason w) Date: Wed Aug 27 09:24:57 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Seeburg 201 "tail light" bulb replacement? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmmm, I don't recall seeing a "wire" inside. Just the speakers, and the pod for the tweeters. I'll have a look. When I look at the lenses for the tail lights, I can see that they are in there on three tabs, and the lenses will rotate a little bit, but they won't release. I don't want to force them and break one of the vanes off. Got my manuals ordered, and sorted all my 45s (a couple thousand!) to make my pics for the 201. Used one of the free title strip generators which turned out nice. Still need to lube before I start using it again. Jason.>Jason, if the 201 is similar to the KD200 I once owned, then there should be a wire inside the front of machine. If I remember correctly, you just pull on this and the plastic cover is released so you can change the bulb. I hope this is of some help.Gary --- On Sun, 24/8/08, jason w wrote:> From: jason w > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 201 "tail light" bulb replacement?> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Sunday, 24 August, 2008, 4:43 PM> Two of my three "tail lights" on the speaker> grille are burned out. How do I get at those bulbs? Do the> lenses come out from the front, or do I have to go through> the back?> > Yes, I am getting a manual :-) _________________________________________________________________ From pinball at telus.net Wed Aug 27 10:47:28 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Aug 27 10:48:39 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Seeburg 201 "tail light" bulb replacement? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B59330.8020107@telus.net> jason w wrote: > Hmmm, I don't recall seeing a "wire" inside. Just the speakers, and the pod for the tweeters. I'll have a look. When I look at the lenses for the tail lights, I can see that they are in there on three tabs, and the lenses will rotate a little bit, but they won't release. I don't want to force them and break one of the vanes off. > > Got my manuals ordered, and sorted all my 45s (a couple thousand!) to make my pics for the 201. Used one of the free title strip generators which turned out nice. Still need to lube before I start using it again. > > Jason.>Jason, if the 201 is similar to the KD200 I once owned, then there should be a wire inside the front of machine. If I remember correctly, you just pull on this and the plastic cover is released so you can change the bulb. I hope this is of some help.Gary --- On Sun, 24/8/08, jason w wrote:> From: jason w > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 201 "tail light" bulb replacement?> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Sunday, 24 August, 2008, 4:43 PM> Two of my three "tail lights" on the speaker> grille are burned out. How do I get at those bulbs? Do the> lenses come out from the front, or do I have to go through> the back?> > Yes, I am getting a manual :-) > _________________________________________________________________ > > Actually it was faster to update the web page: http://www.flippers.com/Seeburg-trblshoot.html John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 10:52:24 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Wed Aug 27 11:00:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 201 "tail light" bulb replacement? In-Reply-To: <570643.38039.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <216004.14720.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jason Open the glass dome. Look down at the flourecent lamp. Under the lamp you should see 3 cables. Each cable releases one of the lenses when gently pulled. They (Lenses) should not require hardly any effort to remove once the cable release is pulled. I like the flashing bulbs. I think the number is 455, I can dig that info up if necessary. DAvid > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Wed Aug 27 09:45:22 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Aug 27 11:07:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Seeburg 201 "tail light" bulb replacement? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B584A2.2040909@telus.net> Hi Jason, I'll send you a picture of the release wires in a few minutes. They are covered in the manual, but this will get you started sooner! I'll also add the picture to flippers.com support page for Seeburg jukes eventually! John :-#)# jason w wrote: > Hmmm, I don't recall seeing a "wire" inside. Just the speakers, and the pod for the tweeters. I'll have a look. When I look at the lenses for the tail lights, I can see that they are in there on three tabs, and the lenses will rotate a little bit, but they won't release. I don't want to force them and break one of the vanes off. > > Got my manuals ordered, and sorted all my 45s (a couple thousand!) to make my pics for the 201. Used one of the free title strip generators which turned out nice. Still need to lube before I start using it again. > > Jason.>Jason, if the 201 is similar to the KD200 I once owned, then there should be a wire inside the front of machine. If I remember correctly, you just pull on this and the plastic cover is released so you can change the bulb. I hope this is of some help.Gary --- On Sun, 24/8/08, jason w wrote:> From: jason w > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 201 "tail light" bulb replacement?> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Sunday, 24 August, 2008, 4:43 PM> Two of my three "tail lights" on the speaker> grille are burned out. How do I get at those bulbs? Do the> lenses come out from the front, or do I have to go through> the back?> > Yes, I am getting a manual :-) > _________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pinball at telus.net Wed Aug 27 11:27:16 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Wed Aug 27 11:28:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 201 "tail light" bulb replacement? In-Reply-To: <216004.14720.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <216004.14720.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48B59C84.3080602@telus.net> david wendell wrote: > Jason > > Open the glass dome. Look down at the flourecent lamp. Under the lamp you should see 3 cables. Each cable releases one of the lenses when gently pulled. They (Lenses) should not require hardly any effort to remove once the cable release is pulled. > > I like the flashing bulbs. I think the number is 455, I can dig that info up if necessary. > > DAvid > > > I added pictures to my web site showing the process to remove the lens for 201 and KD200. And, yes, 455s make for nice flashers there! http://www.flippers.com/Seeburg-trblshoot.html John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jayoldschool at hotmail.com Wed Aug 27 12:55:39 2008 From: jayoldschool at hotmail.com (jason w) Date: Wed Aug 27 12:56:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Problem with a Seeburg 201 mech In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: WOW! John and David, thanks so much! I can't believe how easy that was. I always looked inside the cabinet. I thought those three wires were some sort of support for the grille. John, if you haven't sent my order, throw some 55s and 455s on there :-) What voltage are those bulbs? The only replacement bulbs I have are for the pinballs (51s, I think). Will those work? Jason.> > Jason>> Open the glass dome. Look down at the flourecent lamp. Under the lamp you should see 3 cables. Each cable releases one of the lenses when gently pulled. They (Lenses) should not require hardly any effort to remove once the cable release is pulled.>> I like the flashing bulbs. I think the number is 455, I can dig that info up if necessary.>> DAvid>>> I added pictures to my web site showing the process to remove the lens for 201 and KD200. And, yes, 455s make for nice flashers there!http://www.flippers.com/Seeburg-trblshoot.htmlJohn :-#)# _________________________________________________________________ Find hidden words, unscramble celebrity names, or try the ultimate crossword puzzle with Live Search Games. Play now! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/212 From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 18:32:55 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Wed Aug 27 18:33:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Seeburg 201 "tail light" bulb replacement? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <581550.4051.qm@web55803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 8/27/08, jason w wrote: From: jason w Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Seeburg 201 "tail light" bulb replacement? To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 9:17 AM Hmmm, I don't recall seeing a "wire" inside. Just the speakers, and the pod for the tweeters. I'll have a look. When I look at the lenses for the tail lights, I can see that they are in there on three tabs, and the lenses will rotate a little bit, but they won't release. I don't want to force them and break one of the vanes off. Got my manuals ordered, and sorted all my 45s (a couple thousand!) to make my pics for the 201. Used one of the free title strip generators which turned out nice. Still need to lube before I start using it again. Jason.>Jason, if the 201 is similar to the KD200 I once owned, then there should be a wire inside the front of machine. If I remember correctly, you just pull on this and the plastic cover is released so you can change the bulb. I hope this is of some help.Gary --- On Sun, 24/8/08, jason w wrote:> From: jason w > Subject: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg 201 "tail light" bulb replacement?> To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Sunday, 24 August, 2008, 4:43 PM> Two of my three "tail lights" on the speaker> grille are burned out. How do I get at those bulbs? Do the> lenses come out from the front, or do I have to go through> the back?> > Yes, I am getting a manual :-) _________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From roywdean at cox.net Thu Aug 28 10:51:50 2008 From: roywdean at cox.net (Roy Dean) Date: Thu Aug 28 11:13:05 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Victory References: Message-ID: <008101c90936$c00cad30$020fa8c0@PAW> Hi Group: I am trying to locate a good set of glasses for a Wurlitzer Victory model if anyone knows where any are please let me know. Roy From jay at west.net Thu Aug 28 11:30:42 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Thu Aug 28 11:41:12 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Victory In-Reply-To: <008101c90936$c00cad30$020fa8c0@PAW> References: <008101c90936$c00cad30$020fa8c0@PAW> Message-ID: <48B6EED2.7000405@west.net> Roy Dean wrote: > Hi Group: I am trying to locate a good set of glasses for a Wurlitzer > Victory model if anyone knows where any are please let me know. > Roy Well, the obvious suggestion would be "Victory Glass". :-) http://www.victoryglass.com/ -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 13:38:56 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Thu Aug 28 13:40:00 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Victory In-Reply-To: <48B6EED2.7000405@west.net> Message-ID: <210259.70084.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jay, VG ainna had? no VG's in many a year-- Ron Rich ? --- On Thu, 8/28/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer Victory To: "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 11:30 AM Roy Dean wrote: > Hi Group: I am trying to locate a good set of glasses for a Wurlitzer > Victory model if anyone knows where any are please let me know. > Roy Well, the obvious suggestion would be "Victory Glass". :-) http://www.victoryglass.com/ -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From grahamricho at hotmail.com Thu Aug 28 14:36:24 2008 From: grahamricho at hotmail.com (graham) Date: Thu Aug 28 14:44:24 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pin outs on Rowe Ami R84 power switch Message-ID: I have a Rowe Ami R84 and the on/off power switch is missing, Ive had them before and the last one had no switch, it had jumper wires on the power supply switch connector to do away with the power switch. its a 6 pin square connector block, Is it switching just the live or the neutral as well ? what Pin outs on the power supply connector block need to be jumped to allow for the power switch to be not used ? thanks again From thomas.leigh at btinternet.com Thu Aug 28 23:33:49 2008 From: thomas.leigh at btinternet.com (THOMAS LEIGH) Date: Thu Aug 28 23:41:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re:seeburge kd/201 In-Reply-To: <20080828190003.C2709AAB68@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <726182.38751.qm@web86112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> hi can these flashing bulbs for the KD/201 be found in the U/Kif not who can supply them in USA TOM U/K From thomas.leigh at btinternet.com Thu Aug 28 23:33:55 2008 From: thomas.leigh at btinternet.com (THOMAS LEIGH) Date: Thu Aug 28 23:41:35 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re:seeburge kd/201 In-Reply-To: <20080828190003.C2709AAB68@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <76324.85592.qm@web86105.mail.ird.yahoo.com> hi can these flashing bulbs for the KD/201 be found in the U/Kif not who can supply them in USA TOM U/K From thomas.leigh at btinternet.com Thu Aug 28 23:34:09 2008 From: thomas.leigh at btinternet.com (THOMAS LEIGH) Date: Thu Aug 28 23:41:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re:seeburge kd/201 In-Reply-To: <20080828190003.C2709AAB68@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <80062.40110.qm@web86108.mail.ird.yahoo.com> hi can these flashing bulbs for the KD/201 be found in the U/Kif not who can supply them in USA TOM U/K From thomas.leigh at btinternet.com Thu Aug 28 23:34:10 2008 From: thomas.leigh at btinternet.com (THOMAS LEIGH) Date: Thu Aug 28 23:41:50 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re:seeburge kd/201 In-Reply-To: <20080828190003.C2709AAB68@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <533111.93984.qm@web86111.mail.ird.yahoo.com> hi can these flashing bulbs for the KD/201 be found in the U/Kif not who can supply them in USA TOM U/K From thomas.leigh at btinternet.com Thu Aug 28 23:34:09 2008 From: thomas.leigh at btinternet.com (THOMAS LEIGH) Date: Thu Aug 28 23:41:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re:seeburge kd/201 In-Reply-To: <20080828190003.C2709AAB68@lists.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <861450.17737.qm@web86111.mail.ird.yahoo.com> hi can these flashing bulbs for the KD/201 be found in the U/Kif not who can supply them in USA TOM U/K From pinball at telus.net Fri Aug 29 07:27:00 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Fri Aug 29 07:28:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re:seeburge kd/201 In-Reply-To: <726182.38751.qm@web86112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <726182.38751.qm@web86112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48B80734.3010108@telus.net> THOMAS LEIGH wrote: > > > hi can these flashing bulbs for the KD/201 be found in the U/Kif not who can supply them in USA TOM U/K > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > > Hi Thomas, No idea who carries them in the UK, but we sell a box of ten EIKO 455's for $10 plus postage - $12 to UK. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From johntrav at suddenlink.net Fri Aug 29 08:37:22 2008 From: johntrav at suddenlink.net (John Travelletti) Date: Fri Aug 29 08:50:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re:seeburge kd/201 References: <861450.17737.qm@web86111.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01c909ed$216472a0$0301a8c0@JOHNTRAV> Tom, The #455 6 volt flasher bulb should be available from Suzo Distributors, who have offices thruout Europe. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "THOMAS LEIGH" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 1:34 AM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re:seeburge kd/201 hi can these flashing bulbs for the KD/201 be found in the U/Kif not who can supply them in USA TOM U/K _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dguarino1 at suddenlink.net Fri Aug 29 16:15:22 2008 From: dguarino1 at suddenlink.net (dguarino1) Date: Fri Aug 29 16:22:48 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes and arpartment dilemma Message-ID: <003801c90a2d$1cf9aa60$df1f8b45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Hello all, I am in the process of moving halfway across the United States and I am temporally renting an apartment for my self a Wurlitzer 2800 and a Wurlitzer 2600. Very good company for me. Not so good for neighbors. I was wondering if anyone could tell me a temporary way to connect headphones so I might be a considerate neighbor..........? Would it be possible to just connect headphone wires to the amplifier outputs and disconnect the built in speakers? I seem to remember reading somewhere here that the amp shouldn't be energized without a load ( i.e. speakers ). Would the headphones be enough of a load? David G From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 21:14:51 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Fri Aug 29 21:15:52 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pin outs on Rowe Ami R84 power switch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <362690.83203.qm@web55804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Graham, Rowe used two different switches on the later phonos--I'm not sure what they did with that model, but the service manual should tell you. The later models switch both "hot" and "Neutral"?on 230vac models, only the "hot" on 117vac models. Ron Rich --- On Thu, 8/28/08, graham wrote: From: graham Subject: [Jukebox-list] Pin outs on Rowe Ami R84 power switch To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 2:36 PM I have a Rowe Ami R84 and the on/off power switch is missing, Ive had them before and the last one had no switch, it had jumper wires on the power supply switch connector to do away with the power switch. its a 6 pin square connector block, Is it switching just the live or the neutral as well ? what Pin outs on the power supply connector block need to be jumped to allow for the power switch to be not used ? thanks again _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From grahamricho at hotmail.com Sat Aug 30 02:28:03 2008 From: grahamricho at hotmail.com (graham) Date: Sat Aug 30 02:29:26 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Schematic for a Rowe Ami R84 power supply ? Message-ID: Hi thanks got the power switch sorted out, but the 8 volts is missing from the power supply (the led is not lit and theres no 8 volt output ? I have a manual but theres no shcematic for the power supply ? Does anybody have a schematic for a Rowe Ami R 84 power supply ? thanks From wbabbott at verizon.net Sat Aug 30 06:36:38 2008 From: wbabbott at verizon.net (Britt Abbott) Date: Sat Aug 30 07:39:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes and arpartment dilemma Message-ID: <22015037.428371220103398258.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Your situation reminds me of circustances surrounding why/how I'm acquiring most of my jukeboxes... ie. DOWNSIZING! Many senior Americans are moving out of their larger homes into smaller quarters, ie... Condos. That's when I see ads for jukeboxes for sale! I've also noticed that jukebox prices are falling off a bit as more jukes hit the market due to the downsize phenomenon.... This is also showing up in prices and availability of the old 1930s deco console radios that I occasionally purchase. People just don't have the room anymore and they're sacrificing what takes up room and are not used often. Kinda reminds me of what happened in Europe and England many years back when seaboard containers of huge antique furniture pieces, wardrobes and the like where shipped here to sale on the antique market. I assume the reason was the same... Downsizing... Britt On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:15 PM, dguarino1 wrote: > Hello all, > > I am in the process of moving halfway across the United States and I > am temporally renting an apartment for my self a Wurlitzer 2800 and a > Wurlitzer 2600. Very good company for me. Not so good for neighbors. I > was wondering if anyone could tell me a temporary way to connect > headphones so I might be a considerate neighbor..........? > Would it be possible to just connect headphone wires to the amplifier > outputs and disconnect the built in speakers? I seem to remember > reading somewhere here that the amp shouldn't be energized without a > load ( i.e. speakers ). Would the headphones be enough of a load? > > David G > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 08:13:19 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 30 08:14:28 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Schematic for a Rowe Ami R84 power supply ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <750787.21191.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Pull the "output plug" and see if the LED lights--If so, the problem is probably other then the P.S.? If it's internal, just test components, and you will probably find it (hint caps). Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/30/08, graham wrote: From: graham Subject: [Jukebox-list] Schematic for a Rowe Ami R84 power supply ? To: Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 2:28 AM Hi thanks got the power switch sorted out, but the 8 volts is missing from the power supply (the led is not lit and theres no 8 volt output ? I have a manual but theres no shcematic for the power supply ? Does anybody have a schematic for a Rowe Ami R 84 power supply ? thanks _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Sat Aug 30 09:18:10 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Sat Aug 30 09:19:16 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes and arpartment dilemma In-Reply-To: <22015037.428371220103398258.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <313698.33842.qm@web54607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi: Part of that is the reason however there is a bigger reason for people downsizing. The reason is due to the state of the economy. When the economy dips and becomes bad the first thing people liquidate is their toys. (things that they can live without) ie: Motorcycles, Jukeboxes, Pinball Machines, Slot Machines, Collections of things they have had for years the list goes on and on and as the market gets saturated with said things the prices drop dramatically. Hence a Seeburg Trash Can that is near mint that would have sold approximately 3 years ago for over $5,000 is now selling for $1,800 and even that is pushing it due to the market. From a collectors stand point this can be good and bad. If he/she is liquidating then its extremely bad. If the collector is buying its like finding a $20 bill under a trashcan (a real trashcan and not the Seeburg kind LOL!). As you might notice the Jukebox market on Ebay is almost non-exsistant as most people want a certain price and will not subject themselves to a huge loss... others are just not in the financial position to keep them so they sell them for what ever the market can bear. I have seen this particualr trend for the past 3/4 of a year and at this point I really don't see the market picking up anytime soon. Also the people who do have the huge money are keeping their money in the bank and are not spending it. This myself I see as being quite short sighted as the market WILL pick up eventually and those that are buying up these machines and storeing them away for the good times will be the ones that reap the rewards from have the far sightedness to see there is a light at the end of the tunnel. I myself like to purchase small Jukes as I find they are the best sellers. (just to clarify I don't buy and flip. I buy service and then re-invest in other machines I like and put them in my collection). Good apt machines are ones like the 1965 Rockola Starlett, 1969 Rockola 441, 1966 Rockola Coronado,?1967 Seeburg Phonojet, 1969 Seeburg Golden Jet, 1961 AMI Lyric, 1961 AMI Continental 1, 1962 Continental 2. These are but a few that are small jukes and easy to find a place for but my heart particularly goes out to the Starlet as most of the tubes can be found in any typical German Radio (so the tubes are quite easy to find) also the needle and cart are cheap and easy to find, Maintenace is very easy and they are quite a trouble free machine. Also you can peek in and see the record play. Lastly they can be had for a cheap price as not many people like the colour scheme of brown. ? Regards Tony --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Britt Abbott wrote: From: Britt Abbott Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes and arpartment dilemma To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 9:36 AM Your situation reminds me of circustances surrounding why/how I'm acquiring most of my jukeboxes... ie. DOWNSIZING! Many senior Americans are moving out of their larger homes into smaller quarters, ie... Condos. That's when I see ads for jukeboxes for sale! I've also noticed that jukebox prices are falling off a bit as more jukes hit the market due to the downsize phenomenon.... This is also showing up in prices and availability of the old 1930s deco console radios that I occasionally purchase. People just don't have the room anymore and they're sacrificing what takes up room and are not used often. Kinda reminds me of what happened in Europe and England many years back when seaboard containers of huge antique furniture pieces, wardrobes and the like where shipped here to sale on the antique market. I assume the reason was the same... Downsizing... Britt On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:15 PM, dguarino1 wrote: > Hello all, > > I am in the process of moving halfway across the United States and I > am temporally renting an apartment for my self a Wurlitzer 2800 and a > Wurlitzer 2600. Very good company for me. Not so good for neighbors. I > was wondering if anyone could tell me a temporary way to connect > headphones so I might be a considerate neighbor..........? > Would it be possible to just connect headphone wires to the amplifier > outputs and disconnect the built in speakers? I seem to remember > reading somewhere here that the amp shouldn't be energized without a > load ( i.e. speakers ). Would the headphones be enough of a load? > > David G > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca From mw42080 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 30 11:43:17 2008 From: mw42080 at hotmail.com (Mike Wilson) Date: Sat Aug 30 11:43:55 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light Message-ID: Hi all, Someone was just telling me that the Thank You light on the Rockola 1428 actually used to display the words "Thank You" when it was lit. Does anyone have any more info on this - was it some sort of a slide, or was it actually printed on the lens? Mine currently just has a lens that is a white frosted color, although there are some remnants around the edge of something else that used to be there. Has anyone ever tried to reproduce something like this? It would be great to have that detail back! Mike W. From mw42080 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 30 11:37:23 2008 From: mw42080 at hotmail.com (Mike Wilson) Date: Sat Aug 30 11:43:58 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to Change a Needle and a Thank You Message-ID: Hi all, First, I must thank Ron and Jim for your replies back in June about my credit or debit relays sticking in my Rockola 1428. I haven't gotten to act on your advice yet, although the problem seems to have gone away on its own. When it comes back I will know what to do. My current question is how to go about changing the needle. I have a 51-2 cartridge and I want to put a 3 mil needle in place of the 2 mil. I have the new needle and I'm just not exactly sure how to change it since it is so small. Could someone please share with me the best way to do this . . . do you take the cartridge off or leave it on the tone arm? Do you use tweezers or something like that? Thanks for any advice, Mike W. From jay at west.net Sat Aug 30 12:04:03 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Aug 30 12:05:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to Change a Needle and a Thank You In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B999A3.9060302@west.net> Mike Wilson wrote: > Hi all, > > > > First, I must thank Ron and Jim for your replies back in June about my > credit or debit relays sticking in my Rockola 1428. I haven't gotten to act > on your advice yet, although the problem seems to have gone away on its own. > When it comes back I will know what to do. > > > > My current question is how to go about changing the needle. I have a 51-2 > cartridge and I want to put a 3 mil needle in place of the 2 mil. I have > the new needle and I'm just not exactly sure how to change it since it is so > small. Could someone please share with me the best way to do this . . . do > you take the cartridge off or leave it on the tone arm? Do you use tweezers > or something like that? At the base of the stylus assembly, away from the actual stylus point, is a metal fork held in place by a screw. Loosen the screw about 1/2 turn with a small screwdriver such as a jeweler's screwdriver. Slide the old stylus out towards the end of the tonearm. Replace with the new one and tighten the screw. You shouldn't need to remove the cartridge from the jukebox but you can do so if it is awkward to work on it in place or for better lighting. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca Sat Aug 30 12:54:51 2008 From: oldstuff1967 at yahoo.ca (Lala Blah Blah) Date: Sat Aug 30 12:55:56 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to Change a Needle and a Thank You In-Reply-To: <48B999A3.9060302@west.net> Message-ID: <192677.15898.qm@web54605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I do the same.. just loosen the screw but before that use a piece of masking tape cut it small enough to just cover the stem (not cover the needle) and place it on the bottom of the cart and rub your finger on the stem of the stylus. Then loosen the screw, then peel the tape.. you will not loose the stylus do the reverse to install you will not have a problem. NO reason to remove the cart as in most cases that I have found that the cart wire break at the soldering joints (not one of my fun things to repair). ? Regards, Tony --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] How to Change a Needle and a Thank You To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 3:04 PM Mike Wilson wrote: > Hi all, > > > > First, I must thank Ron and Jim for your replies back in June about my > credit or debit relays sticking in my Rockola 1428. I haven't gotten to act > on your advice yet, although the problem seems to have gone away on its own. > When it comes back I will know what to do. > > > > My current question is how to go about changing the needle. I have a 51-2 > cartridge and I want to put a 3 mil needle in place of the 2 mil. I have > the new needle and I'm just not exactly sure how to change it since it is so > small. Could someone please share with me the best way to do this . . . do > you take the cartridge off or leave it on the tone arm? Do you use tweezers > or something like that? At the base of the stylus assembly, away from the actual stylus point, is a metal fork held in place by a screw. Loosen the screw about 1/2 turn with a small screwdriver such as a jeweler's screwdriver. Slide the old stylus out towards the end of the tonearm. Replace with the new one and tighten the screw. You shouldn't need to remove the cartridge from the jukebox but you can do so if it is awkward to work on it in place or for better lighting. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 30 13:34:54 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sat Aug 30 13:38:43 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to Change a Needle and a Thank You References: <192677.15898.qm@web54605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c90adf$dd0a8a10$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I'm not sure what screw you guys are talking about - must be a different or new version of the 51-2 cart. The Astatic 51 cartridges I've seen all have a "pull out" style needle - you pull the front of the needle down slightly to clear the fork, rotate it 90 degrees and pull the needle straight down and out. Installation is the reverse. No need to remove the cart, but you need good light (and I now need glasses) to insert the needle. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] How to Change a Needle and a Thank You I do the same.. just loosen the screw but before that use a piece of masking tape cut it small enough to just cover the stem (not cover the needle) and place it on the bottom of the cart and rub your finger on the stem of the stylus. Then loosen the screw, then peel the tape.. you will not loose the stylus do the reverse to install you will not have a problem. NO reason to remove the cart as in most cases that I have found that the cart wire break at the soldering joints (not one of my fun things to repair). Regards, Tony --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] How to Change a Needle and a Thank You To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 3:04 PM Mike Wilson wrote: > Hi all, > > > > First, I must thank Ron and Jim for your replies back in June about my > credit or debit relays sticking in my Rockola 1428. I haven't gotten to act > on your advice yet, although the problem seems to have gone away on its own. > When it comes back I will know what to do. > > > > My current question is how to go about changing the needle. I have a 51-2 > cartridge and I want to put a 3 mil needle in place of the 2 mil. I have > the new needle and I'm just not exactly sure how to change it since it is so > small. Could someone please share with me the best way to do this . . . do > you take the cartridge off or leave it on the tone arm? Do you use tweezers > or something like that? At the base of the stylus assembly, away from the actual stylus point, is a metal fork held in place by a screw. Loosen the screw about 1/2 turn with a small screwdriver such as a jeweler's screwdriver. Slide the old stylus out towards the end of the tonearm. Replace with the new one and tighten the screw. You shouldn't need to remove the cartridge from the jukebox but you can do so if it is awkward to work on it in place or for better lighting. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 30 13:52:38 2008 From: tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net (mike) Date: Sat Aug 30 14:00:18 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light References: Message-ID: <00ce01c90ae2$56d69580$4a01a8c0@main> The "Thank You" is (was) silkscreened on the bottom surface of the glass lens. This is the same on the 1422-26-28. On my 1426 I designed a decal in MS WORD and applied it using clear epoxy. Looked pretty good. MRT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Wilson" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light > Hi all, > > > > Someone was just telling me that the Thank You light on the Rockola 1428 > actually used to display the words "Thank You" when it was lit. Does > anyone > have any more info on this - was it some sort of a slide, or was it > actually > printed on the lens? Mine currently just has a lens that is a white > frosted > color, although there are some remnants around the edge of something else > that used to be there. > > > > Has anyone ever tried to reproduce something like this? It would be great > to have that detail back! > > > > Mike W. > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 14:24:20 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sat Aug 30 14:25:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 750-E With Light Up Door Message-ID: <693217.2387.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, We have a talented friend (sure was not I) and he made us a "Light-Up Back Door" for our W-750E. It was made by copying an original. I have been looking for such a door for years; now I have one but cannot decide if the blue, wooden curtain that came with the jukebox for the regular door should stay or go. Having never seen a Wurlitzer with this light-up option I do not know. The blue wood curtain blocks part of the light-up door but without the curtain the venilation ports are visible if someone looks up into the top of the cabinet or maybe a very short person! Since the pictures I have removed the curtain and I think it looks better since the entire light-up door is now visible and the venilation ports are not visible unless someone is really looking.. Hoping someone has a phonograph with a light-up door, a picture of one or knows for certain. Thank You! http://members.cox.net/juke462/MVC-870S.JPG http://members.cox.net/juke462/MVC-871S.JPG David From jay at west.net Sat Aug 30 14:58:19 2008 From: jay at west.net (Jay Hennigan) Date: Sat Aug 30 14:59:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to Change a Needle and a Thank You In-Reply-To: <000901c90adf$dd0a8a10$6101a8c0@Dirksen> References: <192677.15898.qm@web54605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <000901c90adf$dd0a8a10$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <48B9C27B.50109@west.net> dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: > I'm not sure what screw you guys are talking about - must be a different > or new version of the 51-2 cart. The Astatic 51 cartridges I've seen all > have a "pull out" style needle - you pull the front of the needle down > slightly to clear the fork, rotate it 90 degrees and pull the needle > straight down and out. Installation is the reverse. No need to remove > the cart, but you need good light (and I now need glasses) to insert the > needle. Good luck, Does it look like this? http://www.ewsaunders.com/ESCP51.jpg and the stylus looks like this: http://www.needles4turntables.com/IMG_2343.JPG Then you have the later 51 a la Phansteil, Tetrad, etc. The screw/forked stylus info in the previous post works for those. If it looks like this: http://www.needles4jukeboxes.com/IMG_1771.JPG and the stylus looks like this: http://www.needles4jukeboxes.com/IMG_2085.JPG Then it's the original Astatic 51. Use the instructions above. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 30 15:12:27 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sat Aug 30 15:13:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to Change a Needle and a Thank You References: <192677.15898.qm@web54605.mail.re2.yahoo.com><000901c90adf$dd0a8a10$6101a8c0@Dirksen> <48B9C27B.50109@west.net> Message-ID: <000b01c90aed$7eaddc20$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Thanks for clearing that up, Jay - I have not seen the later version. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Hennigan" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] How to Change a Needle and a Thank You > dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: >> I'm not sure what screw you guys are talking about - must be a different >> or new version of the 51-2 cart. The Astatic 51 cartridges I've seen all >> have a "pull out" style needle - you pull the front of the needle down >> slightly to clear the fork, rotate it 90 degrees and pull the needle >> straight down and out. Installation is the reverse. No need to remove the >> cart, but you need good light (and I now need glasses) to insert the >> needle. Good luck, > > Does it look like this? > > http://www.ewsaunders.com/ESCP51.jpg > > and the stylus looks like this: > > http://www.needles4turntables.com/IMG_2343.JPG > > Then you have the later 51 a la Phansteil, Tetrad, etc. The screw/forked > stylus info in the previous post works for those. > > If it looks like this: > > http://www.needles4jukeboxes.com/IMG_1771.JPG > > and the stylus looks like this: > > http://www.needles4jukeboxes.com/IMG_2085.JPG > > Then it's the original Astatic 51. Use the instructions above. > > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net > Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ > Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 17:23:39 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 30 17:24:42 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to Change a Needle and a Thank You In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <650547.93157.qm@web55801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, I just use my fingers--hint--if the needle seems "loose" secure it in the cart with a dab of silicone glue--Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Mike Wilson wrote: From: Mike Wilson Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to Change a Needle and a Thank You To: jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 11:37 AM Hi all, First, I must thank Ron and Jim for your replies back in June about my credit or debit relays sticking in my Rockola 1428. I haven't gotten to act on your advice yet, although the problem seems to have gone away on its own. When it comes back I will know what to do. My current question is how to go about changing the needle. I have a 51-2 cartridge and I want to put a 3 mil needle in place of the 2 mil. I have the new needle and I'm just not exactly sure how to change it since it is so small. Could someone please share with me the best way to do this . . . do you take the cartridge off or leave it on the tone arm? Do you use tweezers or something like that? Thanks for any advice, Mike W. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 17:37:17 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sat Aug 30 17:38:19 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] How to Change a Needle and a Thank You In-Reply-To: <000901c90adf$dd0a8a10$6101a8c0@Dirksen> Message-ID: <581986.79592.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jim, I saw those posts too, and wondered if a sip of wine was getting to me?? Ron Rich --- On Sat, 8/30/08, dirksenj@bellsouth.net wrote: From: dirksenj@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] How to Change a Needle and a Thank You To: oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 1:34 PM I'm not sure what screw you guys are talking about - must be a different or new version of the 51-2 cart. The Astatic 51 cartridges I've seen all have a "pull out" style needle - you pull the front of the needle down slightly to clear the fork, rotate it 90 degrees and pull the needle straight down and out. Installation is the reverse. No need to remove the cart, but you need good light (and I now need glasses) to insert the needle. Good luck, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lala Blah Blah" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] How to Change a Needle and a Thank You I do the same.. just loosen the screw but before that use a piece of masking tape cut it small enough to just cover the stem (not cover the needle) and place it on the bottom of the cart and rub your finger on the stem of the stylus. Then loosen the screw, then peel the tape.. you will not loose the stylus do the reverse to install you will not have a problem. NO reason to remove the cart as in most cases that I have found that the cart wire break at the soldering joints (not one of my fun things to repair). Regards, Tony --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Jay Hennigan wrote: From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] How to Change a Needle and a Thank You To: "Jukebox mailing list" Received: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 3:04 PM Mike Wilson wrote: > Hi all, > > > > First, I must thank Ron and Jim for your replies back in June about my > credit or debit relays sticking in my Rockola 1428. I haven't gotten to act > on your advice yet, although the problem seems to have gone away on its own. > When it comes back I will know what to do. > > > > My current question is how to go about changing the needle. I have a 51-2 > cartridge and I want to put a 3 mil needle in place of the 2 mil. I have > the new needle and I'm just not exactly sure how to change it since it is so > small. Could someone please share with me the best way to do this . . . do > you take the cartridge off or leave it on the tone arm? Do you use tweezers > or something like that? At the base of the stylus assembly, away from the actual stylus point, is a metal fork held in place by a screw. Loosen the screw about 1/2 turn with a small screwdriver such as a jeweler's screwdriver. Slide the old stylus out towards the end of the tonearm. Replace with the new one and tighten the screw. You shouldn't need to remove the cartridge from the jukebox but you can do so if it is awkward to work on it in place or for better lighting. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - jay@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 30 18:49:50 2008 From: tyler_mike at sbcglobal.net (mike) Date: Sat Aug 30 18:50:46 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 750-E With Light Up Door References: <693217.2387.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ff01c90b0b$db7df2a0$4a01a8c0@main> Doesn't appear to be present in this one but not sure from the angle. http://www.falvocollectables.com/gallery/dsc00236.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: "david wendell" To: "jukebox list" Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:24 PM Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 750-E With Light Up Door > Hi, > > We have a talented friend (sure was not I) and he made us a "Light-Up Back > Door" for our W-750E. It was made by copying an original. > > I have been looking for such a door for years; now I have one but cannot > decide if the blue, wooden curtain that came with the jukebox for the > regular door should stay or go. Having never seen a Wurlitzer with this > light-up option I do not know. The blue wood curtain blocks part of the > light-up door but without the curtain the venilation ports are visible if > someone looks up into the top of the cabinet or maybe a very short person! > > Since the pictures I have removed the curtain and I think it looks better > since the entire light-up door is now visible and the venilation ports are > not visible unless someone is really looking.. > > Hoping someone has a phonograph with a light-up door, a picture of one or > knows for certain. Thank You! > > http://members.cox.net/juke462/MVC-870S.JPG > > http://members.cox.net/juke462/MVC-871S.JPG > > David > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From drjukebox at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 06:12:21 2008 From: drjukebox at gmail.com (Jens Hultgren) Date: Sun Aug 31 06:13:31 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 750-E With Light Up Door In-Reply-To: <693217.2387.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <693217.2387.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3154d3690808310612w1782e49wc872b285d2afddd@mail.gmail.com> I think a jukebox is supposed to be seen from the angle of an average size person seated at a table in front of it. Jens On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 11:24 PM, david wendell wrote: > Hi, > > We have a talented friend (sure was not I) and he made us a "Light-Up Back > Door" for our W-750E. It was made by copying an original. > > I have been looking for such a door for years; now I have one but cannot > decide if the blue, wooden curtain that came with the jukebox for the > regular door should stay or go. Having never seen a Wurlitzer with this > light-up option I do not know. The blue wood curtain blocks part of the > light-up door but without the curtain the venilation ports are visible if > someone looks up into the top of the cabinet or maybe a very short person! > > Since the pictures I have removed the curtain and I think it looks better > since the entire light-up door is now visible and the venilation ports are > not visible unless someone is really looking.. > > Hoping someone has a phonograph with a light-up door, a picture of one or > knows for certain. Thank You! > > http://members.cox.net/juke462/MVC-870S.JPG > > http://members.cox.net/juke462/MVC-871S.JPG > > David > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > From ronnnrich at yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 07:53:23 2008 From: ronnnrich at yahoo.com (Ron Rich) Date: Sun Aug 31 07:54:30 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 750-E With Light Up Door In-Reply-To: <3154d3690808310612w1782e49wc872b285d2afddd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <826736.56475.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jens, My perception was that the companies wanted it to command your attention as you walked into the room--thus it was not important if a little "operating detail" such as an air vent could be seen at the machine itself. Ron Rich --- On Sun, 8/31/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: From: Jens Hultgren Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 750-E With Light Up Door To: dwaw12@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 6:12 AM I think a jukebox is supposed to be seen from the angle of an average size person seated at a table in front of it. Jens On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 11:24 PM, david wendell wrote: > Hi, > > We have a talented friend (sure was not I) and he made us a "Light-Up Back > Door" for our W-750E. It was made by copying an original. > > I have been looking for such a door for years; now I have one but cannot > decide if the blue, wooden curtain that came with the jukebox for the > regular door should stay or go. Having never seen a Wurlitzer with this > light-up option I do not know. The blue wood curtain blocks part of the > light-up door but without the curtain the venilation ports are visible if > someone looks up into the top of the cabinet or maybe a very short person! > > Since the pictures I have removed the curtain and I think it looks better > since the entire light-up door is now visible and the venilation ports are > not visible unless someone is really looking.. > > Hoping someone has a phonograph with a light-up door, a picture of one or > knows for certain. Thank You! > > http://members.cox.net/juke462/MVC-870S.JPG > > http://members.cox.net/juke462/MVC-871S.JPG > > David > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ Jukebox-list mailing list Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From pinball at telus.net Sun Aug 31 09:25:10 2008 From: pinball at telus.net (John Robertson) Date: Sun Aug 31 09:26:27 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 750-E With Light Up Door In-Reply-To: <826736.56475.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <826736.56475.qm@web55802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48BAC5E6.70004@telus.net> Ron Rich wrote: > Jens, > My perception was that the companies wanted it to command your attention as you walked into the room--thus it was not important if a little "operating detail" such as an air vent could be seen at the machine itself. Ron Rich > > Actually the air vent would only be visible if you were sitting close to the machine so you would be looking up into the window...if standing it was not visible. John :-#)# > --- On Sun, 8/31/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > > From: Jens Hultgren > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 750-E With Light Up Door > To: dwaw12@yahoo.com, "Jukebox mailing list" > Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 6:12 AM > > I think a jukebox is supposed to be seen from the angle of an average size > person seated at a table in front of it. > > Jens > > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 11:24 PM, david wendell wrote: > > >> Hi, >> >> We have a talented friend (sure was not I) and he made us a "Light-Up >> > Back > >> Door" for our W-750E. It was made by copying an original. >> >> I have been looking for such a door for years; now I have one but cannot >> decide if the blue, wooden curtain that came with the jukebox for the >> regular door should stay or go. Having never seen a Wurlitzer with this >> light-up option I do not know. The blue wood curtain blocks part of the >> light-up door but without the curtain the venilation ports are visible if >> someone looks up into the top of the cabinet or maybe a very short person! >> >> Since the pictures I have removed the curtain and I think it looks better >> since the entire light-up door is now visible and the venilation ports are >> not visible unless someone is really looking.. >> >> Hoping someone has a phonograph with a light-up door, a picture of one or >> knows for certain. Thank You! >> >> http://members.cox.net/juke462/MVC-870S.JPG >> >> http://members.cox.net/juke462/MVC-871S.JPG >> >> David >> >> -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 11:13:24 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Aug 31 11:21:10 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 750-E With Light Up Door In-Reply-To: <3154d3690808310612w1782e49wc872b285d2afddd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478298.52404.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 8/31/08, Jens Hultgren wrote: > I think a jukebox is supposed to be seen from the angle of > an average size > person seated at a table in front of it. I would agree with that. Most jukeboxes do not present their best appearance when approached to make a selection. They appeal to you from across the room. When I photograph jukeboxes, I find that the best angle is invariably from roughly eye level for a person seated nearby, or standing person looking from a rather long way away. From dwaw12 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 11:30:05 2008 From: dwaw12 at yahoo.com (david wendell) Date: Sun Aug 31 11:31:11 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wurlitzer 750-E With Light Up Door Message-ID: <475572.35136.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Thanks everyone! The wood curtain is outta here! I removed it and you must really look to see the vent holes in the cabinet. I appreciate everyone's help in making the curtain go away. I think it looks better without it! I will put it with the spare parts for Wurlitzers. Hope everyone is enjoying the long weekend! David Wendell From mw42080 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 31 12:24:30 2008 From: mw42080 at hotmail.com (Mike Wilson) Date: Sun Aug 31 12:25:45 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1428 Thank You Light Message-ID: Mike, Would you be willing to e-mail me that Word template, or at least let me know the font you used, etc.? I'm at mw42080@hotmail.com. Also, was the light originally a certain color, or was it just white? Thanks so much, Mike W. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 16:18:26 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun Aug 31 16:19:29 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes and arpartment dilemma In-Reply-To: <313698.33842.qm@web54607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <967394.44177.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > This myself I see as being quite short sighted > as the market WILL pick up eventually and those that are > buying up these machines and storeing them away for the good > times will be the ones that reap the rewards from have the > far sightedness to see there is a light at the end of the > tunnel. Good point. Every time the economy dips, there are people who will predict "good times are over". I lived through the 70s. Everyone then, from my school teachers to Jimmy Carter, was telling us that prosperity was over and to lower our expectations. Throughout history, those people have been wrong. The best time to buy anything is in a slump. Right now, suckers are buying gold. Why do you think there are so many ads on the radio selling it? From dguarino1 at suddenlink.net Sun Aug 31 16:37:05 2008 From: dguarino1 at suddenlink.net (dguarino1) Date: Sun Aug 31 16:39:02 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes and arpartment dilemma ?? Headphones?? References: <967394.44177.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c90bc2$7a7ad100$df1f8b45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Does this mean nobody has any advice on the headphone issue? See original message. David G ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes and arpartment dilemma > > --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Lala Blah Blah wrote: > > > This myself I see as being quite short sighted > > as the market WILL pick up eventually and those that are > > buying up these machines and storeing them away for the good > > times will be the ones that reap the rewards from have the > > far sightedness to see there is a light at the end of the > > tunnel. > > Good point. Every time the economy dips, there are people who > will predict "good times are over". I lived through the 70s. > Everyone then, from my school teachers to Jimmy Carter, was > telling us that prosperity was over and to lower our expectations. > Throughout history, those people have been wrong. The best time > to buy anything is in a slump. Right now, suckers are buying > gold. Why do you think there are so many ads on the radio > selling it? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list From dirksenj at bellsouth.net Sun Aug 31 16:55:09 2008 From: dirksenj at bellsouth.net (dirksenj@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Aug 31 16:56:23 2008 Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes and arpartment dilemma ?? Headphones?? References: <967394.44177.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000901c90bc2$7a7ad100$df1f8b45@hsd1.pa.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000901c90bc5$00cda5f0$6101a8c0@Dirksen> I don't know - jukeboxes and headphones just don't mix. Invite your neighbors over so you can play it loud. Jim ----- Original Message ---- From: "dguarino1" To: "Jukebox mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes and arpartment dilemma ?? Headphones?? > Does this mean nobody has any advice on the headphone issue? > See original message. > > David G > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Breneman" > To: "Jukebox mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:18 PM > Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Jukeboxes and arpartment dilemma > > >> >> --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Lala Blah Blah wrote: >> >> > This myself I see as being quite short sighted >> > as the market WILL pick up eventually and those that are >> > buying up these machines and storeing them away for the good >> > times will be the ones that reap the rewards from have the >> > far sightedness to see there is a light at the end of the >> > tunnel. >> >> Good point. Every time the economy dips, there are people who >> will predict "good times are over". I lived through the 70s. >> Everyone then, from my school teachers to Jimmy Carter, was >> telling us that prosperity was over and to lower our expectations. >> Throughout history, those people have been wrong. The best time >> to buy anything is in a slump. Right now, suckers are buying >> gold. Why do you think there are so many ads on the radio >> selling it? >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jukebox-list mailing list >> Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com >> http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list > _______________________________________________ > Jukebox-list mailing list > Jukebox-list@lists.netlojix.com > http://lists.netlojix.com/mailman/listinfo/jukebox-list >